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THE PHONY WAR

An Interview with DEA Veteran Celerino Castillo

The following is an interview with Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) veteran agent Celerino Castillo, first published in *The New Federalist*, October 24, 1994. Before beginning, by way of a preface, let me state a few things. Officer Jack McLamb (retired) of the Phoenix Police Department, in a speech given to his fellow police officers, had this to say: ...there's been much research, *much* research, and much documentation to the fact -- and I say *fact*, fellow police officers (We've got some female police officers here too. Thank you for coming.), -- but I'm telling you, I want you to hear this, I'm talking about *fact* that we can prove, we've got the evidence -- an evidentiary foundation that would stack as high as *I* am, the evidence, I've seen it -- that the U.S. government, certain factions of the U.S. government, have been involved in importing the majority of drugs in the United States since the '60s. Since 1960.... We have, folks, in the United States, a phony war on drugs.

Then there's former DEA agent Mike Levine, author of *Deep Cover* and *The Big White Lie*, speaking at Northern Illinois University in 1991: The drug war's a sham. I threw my life to the winds believing in the war against drugs. If I died, I believed I was dying for a just cause.... I realized the reality of what I was doing never quite matched what the public was seeing. DEA was designed to put itself out of business but that doesn't happen. The opposite happens. It's always, "We need more." ...It's all a show... The drug war is the laughing stock of South America. My guess is that there is a moment of truth that comes to our soldiers in the "War Against Drugs"; a moment when they realize it's all a crock. It seems that most choose to lay low and hang onto their jobs when that moment of decision arrives. A few, though, have got something

that you could call "honor". When their moment of truth arrives, they are unable to rationalize themselves into a "go along to get along" lifestyle.

But this is the way the world ends, this is the way the world ends, not with a bang but with a whimper. A thousand little compromises, a thousand little rationalizations, and we have got a world of trouble. Thank God that not all of our soldiers in this "War Against Drugs" have turned out to have the souls of petty bourgeois shopkeepers. Thank God there have been some great souls among them.

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[September 27, 1994]

WEBSTER TARPLEY: I'd like to go immediately to the very interesting book that you've put together [*Powderburns: Cocaine, Contras & the Drug War*]. On page 132 of that book, you describe a kind of cameo appearance by Vice President George Bush. I believe this was in Guatemala City in January of 1986, and that would have been shortly after the inauguration of the new Guatemalan President Cerezo. I'd just like to acquaint our viewers with that conversation, the events that led up to it, that followed it, and revolved around it, because this seems to sum up the heart of the matter.

CELERINO CASTILLO: Basically, what happened there, was that at that time, Jan. 14, 1986, to be exact, George Bush was in Guatemala City. At the same time that George Bush was there, I also saw Calero, head of the Contras, and Oliver North. And I met George Bush at the cocktail party at the ambassador's residence, and basically, what he was doing, was walking around, shaking hands with everybody. And he came up to me, and asked me what my job description was as DEA agent. And I told him that I conducted international narcotics investigations on traffickers down in Central America. I also advised him that I was the agent in charge of reporting for El Salvador, and I forewarned him that there were some funny things going on at Ilopango Airport, with the Contras. He shook my hand, he smiled, and he just walked away from me, without saying another word. From that moment, I knew he knew something about the Contras.

TARPLEY: That's what you write: "He simply smiled and walked away, seeking another hand to shake. After that exchange, I knew that he knew."

CASTILLO: That's correct.

TARPLEY: What did George Bush know, and when did he know it?

CASTILLO: Before my arrival in Guatemala, we had received intelligence that the Contras were heavily involved in narcotics trafficking. Basically, I was forewarned by the country attache' in Guatemala, Bob Stia, upon my arrival, that there was a covert operation being conducted by the White House, and run by Oliver North at Ilopango in El Salvador.

TARPLEY: So this was your official superior in the DEA?

CASTILLO: That's correct.

TARPLEY: And the first thing he did when you arrived in the country was to tell you: Look, this is now the scene of a covert operation with Oliver North, and they're running drugs. [CN -- See, kiddies? Run drugs, and you too can grow up to be a U.S. Senator.]

CASTILLO: That's correct, and since we had obtained intelligence already about the Contras being heavily involved in narcotics trafficking, he advised me to stay away from it and not to get involved in the investigation, because that would mean that if I started reporting that information to Washington, I would be kicked out of El Salvador and Guatemala very quickly.

.The Ilopango Connection -+- TARPLEY: Now. Bobby Nieves in Costa Rica. Hangars 4 and 5 were bought and paid for by the U. And of course. were there others in that group? Was it a universal thing.S.Photo: Ilopango -+. when you say the "Contras. but we had intelligence gathered from all parts of Central and South America in regard to the narcotics trafficking going on. The DEA refused to accept that answer. that were less into it? Was there Calero." does that mean *all* the Contras? Were there groups that were more into it. advising us to look into Hangars 4 and 5 at Ilopango. government -. We had cables from the country attache'. that all the Contras were into drugs? CASTILLO: It was a universal thing.the CIA and the National Security Council.

where were they coming from. We had an informant placed at Ilopango who actually did the flight plans for the Contra pilots. where were they going? CASTILLO: The cable that we received from Costa Rica in April of 1986 came in from the country attache'. DEA headquarters. And it's a military base. like I stated before. to the CIA. We had obtained a lot of intelligence. All this was reported to the U. which is further south. '86. '87. and was for us to check Hangars 4 and 5.S. that they had very . CASTILLO: We had major narcotics trafficking going through Ilopango from Costa Rica.TARPLEY: Ilopango Airport: What is that? Is that a large commercial airport? CASTILLO: No. and everybody spoke freely about the loads that they carried. Bobby Nieves. the monies that they took to the Bahamas and to Panama for laundering. Embassy. 1985. but most international pilots who fly small planes get to arrive at Ilopango. to Washington. Ilopango Airport is the military airport with civilian small planes that arrive at Ilopango. and nobody wanted to do anything about it. TARPLEY: Tell us what the atmosphere was at Ilopango in the middle of this Contra dirty war. TARPLEY: Tell me just briefly: what kinds of planes were these.

and when we ran checks on the names of all these pilots. Felix Rodriguez. Pipers. As it turned out.even though they were documented traffickers. and everybody else. were not jets that you would see at an American airfield. but these were smaller planes? CASTILLO: Yes.reliable information pertaining to the trafficking from around Central and South America into those two hangars. They were coming in without being inspected by the Customs officials. [CN -. also shows up in connection with activities surrounding Terry Reed and the Mena Airport operation.S. one was run by the CIA. and the other one was run by Felix Rodriguez. It turned out that of those two hangars. TARPLEY: So.] who ran the Contra operation at Ilopango. Could they make it all the way to Miami? CASTILLO: . -. the informant who did the flight plans actually gave us copies of all the flight plans of all these Contra pilots. these planes would then fly north. then. TARPLEY: These.This man.S. visas for them to go to the U. Cessnas. who were trying to obtain U. Rodriguez is also reportedly the man who killed Che Guevara. smaller planes. or anybody else. like Caravans. Felix Rodriguez. Yet they were being hired by the CIA. they were all documented in DEA files as narco-traffickers.

They would go to Miami. the Chief of the Air Force and so forth. Would you agree with that judgement on Felix Rodriguez/Max Gomez? CASTILLO: No. [CN -. Max Gomez. He was a retired CIA agent. he's got a signed photograph from George Bush telling him what a great patriot he is.S. and he's somebody who participated in the Bay of Pigs invasion back in the early 1960s. in bodybags and so forth. Bowen (*The Immaculate Deception*). in our DEA files. "The truth is that Bush has been a top CIA agent since before the 1961 invasion of Cuba. very long time.The Rodriguez Dossier -+- TARPLEY: Now. you've mentioned Felix Rodriguez. anywhere that they were able. they were all very well protected. If you go back. most of . -+. For example. as a trafficker. from the Chief of Staffs in El Salvador. because they were working for the Oliver North Contra operation. I happen to have read his autobiography."] Certainly. So. and they brought all these people who were heavily involved. we have intelligence where the CIA and those individuals were heavily involved in trafficking heroin into the U. You know. Felix Rodriguez has been with George Bush for a very. you carry credentials from the President of El Salvador. working with Felix Rodriguez and other anti-Castro Cubans. Felix Rodriguez was documented. They were going to California. and every single pilot talked about how they had permission to run narcotics. and it's speculated that George Bush was involved in that. It was Contra money. If you go back to the Vietnam War. they would go to Texas.According to Brigadier General (retired) Russell S. sir. and what you can see in that book is. a Contra pilot was arrested in late '85 in south Texas with five-and-a-half million dollars cash.

who all served time for narcotics trafficking. and so forth. Felix Rodriguez has a DEA file. Absolutely.S. there's a 1991 file on Oliver North for smuggling weapons from the U. I'm not going back to the Contra issue. . I myself documented him involved in trafficking with the Contras. sir. and I'm talking about a 1991 case. for gun-running. sir. sir. As a matter of fact. TARPLEY: Does Oliver North have a DEA file? CASTILLO: That's correct. into the Philippines with known narcotics traffickers. CASTILLO: That's correct. they were being hired by the Oliver North Contra operation to run the illegal narcotics trafficking out of Ilopango [Airport].these Bay of Pigs operatives were all documented traffickers. TARPLEY: Now. yet. TARPLEY: This is *after* the television appearance. after the great 1987 celebrity parade? CASTILLO: That's correct. They were all criminals.

I used to see him around the U. Col. One of the questions I've always been asked is. It's there. Military Group [was] down there.C. Now.TARPLEY: Can you make a Freedom of Information Act request. I saw him everywhere. . and these requests were denied. sir.S. with an incident from 1991? CASTILLO: That's correct. to get hold of Oliver North's DEA file? CASTILLO: I tried that already. They just need to get that. I asked for my own files. I don't know. TARPLEY: So. and they cited the privacy act. Steele from the U. Embassy. D. That file is out of the Washington office here in Washington. did you ever see Felix Rodriguez running around Ilopango? CASTILLO: Yes. that I wrote on the Contras and different individuals. having lunch with the ambassador and others. I can imagine that there would be a lot of voters around Virginia and elsewhere who would like to have a look at Oliver North's DEA file again.S. TARPLEY: That certainly makes you think twice. I saw him running around Ilopango. Why can't the White House get that? Somebody else has to answer that.

-+. go back to Ilopango. Salvador.. at Ilopango. and Guatemala. and what they were telling you? CASTILLO: Well. at the U. this guy was very reliable. We had another informant who was also placed to work at Ilopango.Coverup -+- TARPLEY: And how about Oliver North? Did you ever see him there? CASTILLO: I saw Oliver North in Guatemala.. who was a documented informer going back to 1981. TARPLEY: Could you just give us an idea of what kinds of people were telling you about these activities. TARPLEY: And what were the circumstances where you saw Oliver North? CASTILLO: Well. So. We had an informant who had worked there. not in Salvador.S. . and some cocaine had been seized before. who gave us a lot of the intelligence that we had on this Contra operation. that's when I met George Bush. He had been reporting all this activity on the Contras. 1986. Embassy. on Jan. 14. for many years. Robert Chavez. He had given reliable information to the Consulate General there.

. and as it turns out.S.S. in Salvador.S. who was a civilian. There was an individual. And when we received all this information. Steele.S. who kept forewarning me about my reporting on the Contras because it was going to come back and hurt us in Guatemala. we went to the U. Edwin Corr. ambassador. that I would continue to report the allegations that the Contras were involved in trafficking. we reported it. and for me to stay away from it. and he had a couple of years left to retire. ambassador to Salvador. he was working for the Oliver North Contra operation. who lived in El Salvador. Once we obtained a lot of the intelligence and we started writing reports. Jack McCavett. first of all. CASTILLO: That's correct. I went to the U. and how you reported it. Oliver North. who was a U. I understand from your book that one of the first people you tried to tell about this was the U. Bob Stia. I personally reported it to my boss. ambassador. we went to the CIA Chief of Station. I told him that if I actually found any evidence. and not to make any waves. TARPLEY: Did he suggest it was going to be bad for your career? CASTILLO: It was going to be bad for my career and his career. Edwin Corr.TARPLEY: Let's now turn to what you did with the information that you got. and Col. an American. Military Group commander. He told me right off that it was a White House covert operation run by Col.

And we had a place up there they called the "Black Hole". Military Group. -+. first from Mr. and they were never distributed to the right people. whether DEA Washington did anything with it was a different story.TARPLEY: So that's now the second time you got official testimony and corroboration that Oliver North was running these activities. telling you to tear them up. and also Col. embassy into the Salvadoran military. Then I went to Jack McCavett and Jack McCavett's answer to me was the fact that they were being ordered to support the Oliver North Contra operation. Stia. all these reports went in there.Laundering the Profits -+- TARPLEY: Can you remember the date of your first dispatch to Washington that basically stated these facts? . or file them. was the liaison officer from the U. your immediate superior: did he have the option of rejecting your reports. Two different agencies. of course. and then from Ambassador Corr. He. So.S. or rewrite them? Or did he have to sign off on them and send them to Washington? CASTILLO: One of the things a lot of people don't understand is the fact that every time I wrote a report. Steele with the U. Stia. TARPLEY: Mr. it had to be approved by my supervisor (who was Bob Stia) *and* signed off by the ambassador of whatever country I was sending the cable out to. or sent a cable off to Washington.S. everything was approved. to go above and beyond to support them. CASTILLO: That's right.

5 million cash taken from Ilopango into Panama. during the Kerry Committee [i. and so forth. departing El Salvador to the Bahamas where he was airdropping monies on the Contras -.CASTILLO: We go back to early 1986. At one point. or the Cali cartel. Chica Guirola. And basically.. but their credibility was not that good. a lot of evidence to the fact that there was a lot of narcotics trafficking. We have a time and date for one of the pilots. . Of course.the profits of narcotrafficking. how much money they were flying into the Bahamas or Panama. Narcotics and International Operations] hearings we had a lot of informants. because they were known traffickers. But there was a lot of testimony. how much dope they were taking. Costa Rica was giving us the information that narcotics were leaving from Aranchez airstrip in Costa Rica into Ilopango. a lot of individuals who flew for the Contras. he saw $4. or people like this? CASTILLO: I had a CIA agent in El Salvador who actually came up and asked me: How do you expect us to support the Contras when Congress cut aid to the Contras? How are they going to support themselves? Which means that we have to sleep with the cartels. These were incidents that were reported. who gave testimony.e. to launder. our informant at Ilopango was being told. by the pilots when they were leaving. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. The cable came in from Costa Rica in April. so we continued to follow up on the request to conduct an extensive investigation into Hangars 4 and 5. TARPLEY: Do you get the impression that the narcotics ultimately came from people like the Medellin cartel. Subcommittee on Terrorism. and cables started coming and going.

we had Mark Richards. Kerry of Massachusetts. As a matter of fact. attorney. they reported that the profits from those sales of narcotics were going to the Contras. You've mentioned the Kerry Committee.S. and under the Freedom of Information Act. In . During the Kerry Committee. the Senate Investigating Committee '85. and a couple of frogmen would go out there and take the coke. we start there. TARPLEY: This was the committee that investigated this "frogman" operation? CASTILLO: Yes. As it turns out. on Oct. He was involved in a meeting with 25 individuals from the DEA and the Department of Justice who *refused* to give this information to the Kerry Committee. So. in 1987. testifying before the committee. 22.. who is an assistant U. We had the "Frogman Case" going back to 1985. not the Kerry Committee.TARPLEY: O.K. A couple of Columbians and Nicaraguans were trafficking in large quantities of cocaine into San Francisco. It was called the "Frogman Case" because they were bringing ships into the San Francisco area.. '87? You tried to tell part of your story to them. on their own testimony. if it's a closed case they cannot have access to it. I guess that's Sen. Am I right? You tried to inform them of what you knew? CASTILLO: No. '86. I got a call from Washington requesting for me not to close the files on the Contras because the Kerry Committee wanted copies of my reports.

" We left it that I would try to get this girl named Sandrita from Salvador into the U. Right before I left the agency in 1991. in order to look into this entire matter. he was just stunned by what I showed him there. Did you ever talk to Customs? . at one point or another. Lawrence Walsh. it looks like you attempted. So. the FBI. the investigation into it started. it would be like a grand-slam home run. He came. to bring your revelations. TARPLEY: You later also tried to get in touch with the special prosecutor. cables. and DEA *denied* the fact that there were such reports. "You know. and he was just stunned when he saw copies of my reports. the FBI agent assigned to the Iran-Contra committee. He said. etc. that Walsh's committee had asked and requested all this information from DEA. but at no time did the Kerry Committee *ever* contact the agents down in El Salvador who actually conducted the investigation. with my attorney present. the Special Prosecutor. His thing was the fact that he had asked the DEA. Walsh's committee. I secretly met with Mike Foster. CASTILLO: That's correct. to the attention of the State Department. so that she could be debriefed by Walsh's committee with regard to her personal knowledge of narcotics use by some of the Contra pilots and some NSC individuals. the CIA.December of 1985. I sat there and I waited for the phone to ring. these charges. and nobody ever called so that I could testify before that committee to advise them that large quantities of drugs were being trafficked by the Oliver North Contra operation. TARPLEY: Well. Basically. if we can prove that the Contras and Oliver North were heavily involved in narcotics trafficking. a CNN reporter broke the story on the Contras' involvement in narcotics trafficking.S.

One of the things is that the DEA has not acknowledged the fact that there are such reports. on the Kerry Committee and its report. in talking about the Nicaraguan war. and a couple of them were pretty significant. is the third-ranking DEA official. who now. it's a lot of people. So.CASTILLO: Yes. we have contradictory statements from both the State Department and the DEA. the chief of Latin American countries was John Marsh. I sure did. we have the DEA assistant administrator. who in the DEA would get those on his desk? CASTILLO: Well. Dave West. Yet. Well if the DEA denies that. saying that it is true that people on both sides of the equation in the Nicaraguan war were drug traffickers. to the fact that the Contras were heavily involved in narcotics trafficking. why is this man saying this? We have the CIA chief of Latin American countries down there stating. . This is not a couple of people. first of all. TARPLEY: He's moving up the ladder. TARPLEY: When you sent these reports into Washington. in the Kerry Report: We suspected drug trafficking by the resistance forces. I understand.

I explained to him: How can I use the word "alleged" when I'm seeing all this that's happening in Ilopango? We have reliable informants in there. and I was being forced to travel by land. yet. And he went back. They came down gunning for me. Guatemala. they sent some people to check up on what you were doing? CASTILLO: That's correct. that did not apply to me. "the hammer dropped". which were Belize. mind you. that it would mean the end of my career in Latin America if I kept reporting this. as they say. and he stated the same thing.CASTILLO: He's moving up the ladder. -+. the administrator for the DEA came out with a memo stating that no DEA agent is to travel by himself in a foreign country. that is. and El Salvador. through guerrilla territory. That was called the "war on drugs in Central America". The pressure was on. TARPLEY: Two agents for four countries? That was called the "war on drugs"? CASTILLO: That's correct. He gave me a letter of "reprimand". when I refused to stop reporting on the Contras' involvement in narcotics trafficking.Assassination Threat -+- TARPLEY: And I understand that then the DEA actually investigated *you*. . He is the individual who is responsible for the cover-up of the Contras involving narcotics trafficking. He actually wanted me to use the word "alleged". because I was one of two agents to cover four countries in Latin America. When Kiki Camarena got killed in 1985. Honduras. I guess you could say.

TARPLEY: "By land" means in a car. I drove by myself. It's a three to four hour drive. by the DEA. and most of the time my only back-up was my informant.Kiki Camarena was a DEA agent slain in the line of duty in Mexico in 1985. the DEA manual states that you cannot be with an informant by yourself. And of course. DEA refused to give out any back-up agents. Why? Because there was nobody to back him up. Kiki had to work by himself. he gets grabbed. on a country road. [CN -. . TARPLEY: So the resources are totally inadequate. sir. yet. CASTILLO: Totally inadequate. where guerrillas are operating? CASTILLO: That's correct. That's what happened to Kiki Camarena.] We had Victor Cortez meeting with an informant in a restaurant. And while our lives were being put on the line out there. who travelled with me. TARPLEY: Did you have an armed escort? CASTILLO: No. carelessly. the DEA refused to do anything about it. and unsafe.

CASTILLO: That's correct. a senior inspector.. We had tape recordings on him. And Tony Ricevuto. CASTILLO: There were people being taken out [i. In other words. and I was one of them who was going to be taken .k.e. requesting a U. that he's going to assassinate me. they were dropping left and right in those years.TARPLEY: Worse than that. visa for this colonel so that he can testify before the BCCI [Bank of Credit and Commerce International] investigation in Miami. on how he's going to assassinate me in El Salvador and blame it on the guerrillas. it sounds like somebody was trying to get you bumped off..S. 1987.e. 1988. or would have been glad to see you bumped off. We have a Guatemalan colonel who puts a contract on me [i.. who were very knowledgeable about different sides of Iran-Contra.S. Tony Ricevuto. telling them that it's o. TARPLEY: This would have fit into a kind of general liquidation of all sorts of people in 1986.. you can think of people in Germany. who's going to assassinate me. offers to pay money in return for the murder of Castillo]. though. but they want him to testify in a trial in Miami! That's when I knew that I was going to get hurt sooner or later. CASTILLO: That was at the very end of my career. where there was an OPR investigator. murdered]. ambassador there. You can think of Olof Palme. TARPLEY: Eyewitnesses were disappearing. goes into Guatemala and speaks to the U.

I have pictures. people who called me to tell me to close the files. To this day. I guess the word is. *I* *kept* *a* *daily* *journal* *of* *everything*. if you had to formulate charges against Oliver North. the massacre of them. that was conducting the investigation..S. involving Oliver North's Contra operation. because they could not justify the fact that this individual was going to assassinate me. yet. my own people at DEA wanted to get him to the U. Texas. and this was done with the knowledge of the DEA. everything that the DEA had conducted illegally. individuals I talked to. while I was down in Central America. during my career with the DEA. I have everything that can justify what I'm saying. I have documents. There was a case out of Houston. Case file numbers. to testify. It was more important to them that he testify before the BCCI investigation. TARPLEY: To the bottom line: The net result of everything you sent in to DEA headquarters in Washington. TARPLEY: Now. There was a cover-up being conducted by the DEA on orders from the White House. It's just that people refuse to acknowledge the fact that this was going on. Mind you. they continue to cover up the fact that there was a lot of intelligence involving the CIA.. than my security. I have photos. I have passports to prove my allegations. killings and assassinations of Columbian traffickers. condoning murders that the DEA knew about. down in Central America. what would you charge him with? CASTILLO: .out by the DEA. was what? CASTILLO: Was suppressed.

TARPLEY: In a private home of a friend of Ollie North? . not at all. the violation of the Federal Narcotics Law. all the way from Panama. To start off with. At his residence. Nothing has ever been found. we found what was a Contra supply operation.they should have contacted the agents in Salvador. Oliver North says he's "the most investigated man on the planet". TARPLEY: Have you found. military munitions. We've been over this terrain a million times. I guess you've mentioned this now in the course of our talk. In September of 1986. but corroboration: have you found other people. heavy guns. "Brasher". He worked out of Ilopango Hangars 4 and 5. other sources.S. in general. and you don't do anything about it. you can go to jail for that. sir. in the book. this is all done to death. He was a civilian. it was inadequate investigation. who was Oliver North's right-hand man down in El Salvador. He was a documented narcotics trafficker. He says. which states. cases of explosives. and we hit his house. who also can document what you saw? CASTILLO: I want to go back a little bit. and they hit the house.. We found U. Do you think that the investigations up to now have been adequate on precisely this key topic? CASTILLO: No. I built up a unit there.First of all.. We call him. "The most investigated man on the planet" -. TARPLEY: Now. the fact that if you have knowledge that narcotics trafficking is being conducted. we had an individual who was an American. the people who actually conducted the investigation on the Contras. C4. well.

S. who denied.S.S. ambassador. came into the United States as a result of these operations? CASTILLO: . crack cocaine and other kinds of cocaine. Before I hit his house.Planeloads of Cocaine -+- TARPLEY: If you had to go back and estimate. I guess in this case it means cocaine pretty much. At the residence. embassy. who denied that ["Brasher"] worked for them. -+. this individual was a documented narcotics trafficker working for the Oliver North Contra operation. military issue. We found radios belonging to the U. in a private home.S. I went to the CIA. All three of those people told me that ["Brasher"] was working for the Oliver North Contra operation. I went to the U. We found weapons belonging to the U. all his vehicles had license plates for the U. embassy. embassy. I went to the U. military equipment. embassy. Cases of grenades.CASTILLO: Yes. Yet. some of it. uniforms. sniper rifles.S.S. who denied the fact that ["Brasher"] worked for the U. Military Group commander.S. could you give some kind of a ballpark figure of how much drugs. how much cocaine. and it was all U. brand new.

TARPLEY: Could you just estimate. and I guess that had the effect of shutting down most of what was left of the official investigation. and pardoning these people who were known traffickers was a slap in the face to us. We saw the planes coming in.. toward the end of his term in office.. TARPLEY: Later on. what percentage that might have been of the total drug-trafficking flow into the United States? CASTILLO: Maybe one percent -. . What do you think of George Bush pardoning these people? CASTILLO: George Bush was trying to save himself. Now. you're asking me about monies? Millions of dollars. going undercover in Third World countries. if at all possible. who flew four-and-a-half million dollars from Ilopango into Panama. they dropped it off at Hangars 4 and 5.We had thousands of kilos that came in. We had reports where they came in. This was reported to the DEA Washington. TARPLEY: And you've done undercover operations in Central America yourself. George Bush came along and pardoned quite a number of the top figures in this.. One percent is a lot. We had surveillance set up up there.and that's a lot. the DEA agents who were out there putting our lives on the line.. we were not allowed to touch it. yet. We have a guy who was an honorary ambassador to Panama.

it was a democracy. government did not want to do anything about it.5 million *a* *day* in El Salvador for the past 10 years. We had documented reports on Third World countries. but we were there to help it. Do you think that Oliver North is qualified to be a United States Senator? CASTILLO: . and putting our lives on the line. We have a few minutes left. Guatemala is heavily involved in narcotics trafficking. So the fact that we could have another branch of our government heavily involved in narcotics trafficking was just devastating to me. Guatemala.CASTILLO: That's correct. He was going to sell me 200 kilos of cocaine. Just a couple of weeks ago. The Cerezo government was heavily involved. embassy not to arrest him. let's sum up now.S. it didn't take me twenty years to figure out that my own government was heavily involved in narcotics trafficking. we lost five agents in Peru.S. All the weapons that were being seized by the guerrillas were being sold to the cartels. and the U. So. we spent $1. For example. because we were not there to embarrass the Guatemalan government. The same thing happened in El Salvador. When they came down to arrest them. TARPLEY: Well. We cannot work with Third World countries that are heavily involved in narcotics trafficking. Yet. sleeping with the cartels. I was told by the U. And a lot of people go into the government and spend twenty years and then retire. and they couldn't win the war. I went undercover on a Congressman down there.

the cocaine epidemic that we have. we spend billions of dollars in Third World countries trying to combat this trafficking. And he cannot guarantee to me the fact that nobody. It's there.No. He is a convicted felon. A lot of people feel that he can be forgiven for what he did.. he's got to take responsibility for what is happening on our streets today. or none of those drugs that were being smuggled into the U.S. TARPLEY: Would you think that the Virginia voters ought to have the right to see Oliver North's DEA file? CASTILLO: Absolutely. *Powderburns*... and so forth. He lied to Congress. with very limited results.S.S.. Everybody looked up to him as a hero. and not be running for the U. he is a chronic liar. North has to hide.? For the epidemic . TARPLEY: You tried to tell your story inside the federal agencies for quite a number of years. that they know that his organization is responsible for a lot of deaths in the U... What conscience does he or his family have. What made you decide to get into writing books? CASTILLO: I was sick to my stomach when I saw Oliver North up there. I had to tell my story. So. but what I don't think they realize is the fact that he cannot justify the narcotics trafficking that his organization conducted in the 1980s.S. yet. I can live with myself now.. We have more cocaine on the U. streets now than we did ten years ago. Senate. and then you turned to your book. was not Contra cocaine. Whether the DEA wants to continue the conspiracy to cover it up is a different story. we've seen. He lies to everybody. But Oliver North should be in jail. "Oliver North for President". that people died of.

It's a free country. If they don't. then that's their prerogative. I'm there. in the closing days of the election campaign? CASTILLO: Yes. it's their prerogative. If they want to elect an official who is a documented trafficker and a convicted felon. I understand you're going out on the stump in Virginia now. tell them what I know. I've always made the assumption that I'm going to go out there and try. I'll never quit. that's correct.cocaine addiction that we have? What does his family think about it? TARPLEY: Well. If people want to listen to me. . I'll go out there.

there was a lot of discrimination. how did your work for the government begin? First of all. went to work for the US government. I took an early retirement in 1992 because of the atrocities that I saw happening down in Central America. My father was shot six times in the Philippines and we lost an uncle to the war . which I did. I teach now.S. I was instructed by my father to pay my dues to my country by going to Vietnam and fighting for my country. I ended up being the first Mexican American in New York City and that's when I first started to see what it was really like to work for the U.WWII . as they say. the 1980s. what I encountered when I went to work at the US government .and all of our families have been involved. And. And in reality I got the best experience an undercover agent could have gotten in New York City working Organized Crime. as they say: if you can make it in New York. when we.and it wasn’t. How did you first become involved with law enforcement. there were no Mexicans in New York City. working all kinds of major major cases… and I did a tour of four years in New York City and I loved it. I found out that every Agency in the federal government has filed class action suits for discrimination against their own agencies. When I got hired by the Drug Enforcement Administration. But they sent me to New York City where. government. as Latinos or minorities. twenty years ago. and I also teach Latino studies in South Texas. My name is Celerino ‘Cele’ Castillo III and I'm a former Drug Enforcement Administration agent. I come from a very patriotic family in South Texas. we thought that everything was on the uppity up . But it backfired on the government because.guerrillanews.html Cele Castillo Former DEA Agent Author: Powderburns Please introduce yourself and tell us a bit about your personal history. At what point did you encounter a certain type of corruption in the system and what did you do? First of all. government. I was hoping that they would send me somewhere in South Texas.http://www. I come also from a law enforcement family involving my father who used to be a police officer for some time and my sister who used to work for the police department and I also had worked for a police department and as a federal agent for the U. I teach the other side of law enforcement.I encountered discrimination .com/crack/c_castillo. somewhere where there was a Latino community of Mexican Americans and so forth. you can make it anywhere. I was with the Agency for 12 years . I got educated into what was known as .most of my time was down in Central and South America with some tours in New York City and the San Francisco area. Me being the only son in my family.S. at that time. In the 1980’s.

Describe your work in New York and what it involved – specifically. And when we came face to face with the contradictions of my assignment .when we had these governments. destroying the airplanes.we ended up doing the biggest heroin bust in New York City and that was in 1984 when we took down hundreds of kilos of heroin and it was written up all over the world how heroin was still very big in New York City. My job was to conduct undercover operations.are they totally involved? . Peru into the Huayaga Valley to pick up narco-dollars for their banks. first of all. government because it was a democracy and not a Communist or Socialist government.all documented in the DEA files as drug traffickers. I mean how can you have a war on drugs when you have two agents covering four countries . we had two agents that covered four countries.which were Belize. We would find the Colombian drug traffickers playing soccer with the Colombian and the Peruvian military. they had barracks. where if I would have been somewhere in the Southwest. You know reading the New York Times down in Central Park . And me and my partner . and a large seizure of cocaine. for example. are the leaders of these countries . So if you wanted dollars in Peru you would have to fly down to the Huayaga Valley and pick up US dollars because that’s what the Colombians dealt with in the processing of the cocaine in the source countries. there never has been and there never will be. I call it the ‘drug war follies’ because. when I was sent to fight the war on drugs in Guatemala City.my partner being an Italian American . And because of that I was promoted to go down to South America and actually conduct the search and destroy missions on cocaine labs in South America.the Huayaga Valley. I ended up doing a lot of undercover work as a South American connection with the Italian organized crime families . there was no way I would ever learn that.it was just fabulous for me. And that was my initial contact with the corruption and we used to see those jets that would come in from Lima. Hondurans and Guatemala. they were all documented in DEA files as drug traffickers. Lucese family and so forth. Describe that relationship. So when did you realize that there was corruption? I found out when I was on patrol up there in Peru with the anti-narco-terrorist units in Tingo Maria . So cocaine democracies are intimately tied to the war on drugs.S. They were sleeping with the cartels and it was OK for the U. How can you do that? It’s impossible to do that. And that was one of my first experiences of how the US government was building what was known as cocaine democracies.the ‘opera’ and the ‘theatre’. the cocaine labs and… we had an operation called Operation Condor that seized a cocaine lab valued at 500 million dollars. They could build and sleep with the cartels as long as they stay to be a democracy. I really loved New York City. The airstrip was a mile long. Salvador. there is no such thing as the War On Drugs. I was in culture shock at the very beginning but then you wake up and you get off it and you just go with it… I loved it. So. I'm talking about the President’s brother and so forth .the Gambino family. in fact. Well. And so what did that consist of? That consisted of flying air assault helicopters into clandestine air strips. they had guard-houses and the lab was producing hundreds of kilos a day of 100% pure cocaine.

they are compromised and they can't get out of it. And they were both Yale graduates and they were friends after they left the presidency.former CIA operative.which means that we were supporting the rebels in Nicaragua that were fighting against socialism in Nicaragua. And you gotta remember that at that time period.A. the United States government knew and didn’t care how they made money for covert operations. You gotta go back to the history of the Central Intelligence Agency how they have been involved in drug trafficking. And I also told him that I was the agent who actually . heavily involved in drug trafficking. All of those individuals who were in Vietnam working those covert operations were the same individuals working in El Salvador at Ilopango Airport where they were running the Iran-Contra operations. We saw it in Mexico when we had Carlos Salinas and all the Salinas brothers who were heavily involved in drug trafficking with the U.S. And nothing moves without the Central Intelligence Agency's approval. Oliver North… we had John Secord.that’s why there is no paper trail to find. It’s a history that goes back to where you get involved with drug trafficking and you use that money for covert operations and for lining their own pockets .the father . and using the U.a company they had opened up to launder all that money. I'm talking about the National Security Agency.S. of course. January 14. The United States government didn’t want to have Communism in the background so we needed to put a stop to it. we had those same individuals who operate as the apparatus outside the Central Intelligence Agency. but the diversion was actually from the Contras to Swiss bank accounts where they ended up finding millions of dollars in the name of Oliver North and General Secord and Project Democracy . they are totally involved.S. 1986. We gotta go back to the Vietnam era when they were smuggling heroin in body bags back to the U. government. It was just everywhere. making money from them for covert ops while at the same time. we ended up supporting the Contras by letting them go ahead and sleep with the cartels and get them involved in drug trafficking in the name of democracy. soldiers that were back here as soldiers to distribute the heroin that was coming in. that don’t have to report to anybody . Iran Contra was a smokescreen . So. It goes to the highest level. And.was an associate of Carlos Salinas in an oil company called Zapato Oil. Is that then case? Absolutely. You gotta remember that George Bush . Because the floodgates opened and those rivers were full of cocaine and they just segregated the whole country . And we had Salinas where they seized 250 million dollars in a City Bank in New York City . the National Security Council. I had a chance to talk to then Vice President George Bush and he came up to me and he asked me what my job description was and I told him I was conducting international drug trafficking investigations. We had like Felix Rodriguez .from L.so we knew from the get-go that those governments were heavily. Once they're into it.which they did.Absolutely. There was a civil war going on in Nicaragua and basically what happened was we were supporting the Contras – ‘contra’ means against . when I was in Guatemala City. So it seems like everyone who is above a certain level is compromised. creating division within the country they are trying to control? Or is it just a money thing… To me it was money thing. Arkansas.the diversion was not from the sales of the US government selling missiles to Iran. to South Texas to Little Rock. So do you see this as a strategic policy that emanates from Intelligence – of bringing drugs into the country. Never in the history of our time did we have more cocaine on our streets. we had Oliver North who was heavily involved and in his own diaries he had documented the drug trafficking stuff that was occurring.

All the way to the very top. So I knew then and there that he knew that the Contras were heavily involved in drug trafficking. Senate. How do you distribute them? . One of the reasons that we were able to put Powderburns together was because I kept journals. Every allegation that I make in my book Powderburns can be verified by documentation or by pictures. ironically. there's no doubt in my mind that that book was sabotaged. So Powderburns was just the tip of the iceberg.000 before they got to it and the pictures were perfectly clear and they ended up being very dark . every drug trafficker that was signed for the Contras were all documented in DEA files and yet they were getting US Visas to fly to the US by the Central Intelligence Agency. So the corruption went right to the top.000 pictures while I was down in Central and South America. And. ‘you keep diaries. Mind you he had 45 million dollars to run for President and yet the American people were not fooled by that and they voted against him and he lost.S.saying you know. So from the get-go. was an election year in which where Oliver North ran for U. He was one of two Republicans who lost the elections.the pictures. he went up there and met with Oliver North. Powderburns was co-authored by another individual and myself who was an excellent reporter I was the guy who actually saw what happened. you can call them diaries. People used to make fun of me .and I have a stack of journals and those stacks of journals is what saved my life because I was able to document every allegation. I did that for my whole experience with the Drug Enforcement Administration. Collero (who was head of the Contras) and a whole bunch of military officials on the third floor of the US embassy to discuss the Contra operation. And believe it or not. if you want to learn. Let's talk about your book Powderburns. in life is you always document everything. And it was sabotaged. that. One of the things.was investigating the Contras in El Salvador and he just smiled at me shook my hand and walked away. it was never marketed properly. So Powderburns was written in 1994. I also took over 2. that same afternoon. The introduction and the forward on the book was sabotage where they claimed that the CD-ROM on it went haywire on them and they printed 16. See. if we go back. You gotta remember we had the best Intelligence network in the world. The book? There were close to 500 pages written and actually 200 and some odd pages were actually printed because I feel that it was sabotaged. It was printed in New York City from a company out of Canada and it was never distributed anywhere. Number two. And at the end of the day I would go home and I would sit down and write just about everything that happened that day. So we put our things together. We knew who was doing what when and where and why. So I kept the books and I ended up buying whatever was left of the books so that I could sell my books to people that are interested in this issue. which was the Central Intelligence Agency. which is twelve years . I call them journals. There is no doubt in my mind that the President of the United States knew.’ Well.

Kind of reminds you of Hamburger Hill in Vietnam.I got them all in storage now and what I do . It took us days to take that hill and then once we took it. Because if you have . They're gonna use all that military not against drug traffickers or anything else . I try to sell them. It's an apparatus outside the CIA that’s going to go in there and of all the same atrocities will be committed where there's no paper trail to be followed and its all gonna blow up in their face.that will never happen.and it's destroying the family. And it’s got to stop.when I go on a lecture tour.very small numbers. Colombia is the Spanish word for Vietnam. after we lost hundreds of soldiers.whether they're selling drugs or using drugs . There’s just so much money to be made on this. the subversives down there. the same thing. Texas. In reality they started using them against the Zapatistas in Chiapas. they are using heroin and we got a lot of people doing heroin. I saw it in Vietnam. a friend of mine. which they did in Mexico with those helicopters that Clinton shipped down to Mexico. Let the . There's no such thing as the War On Drugs. Or twenty years ago. I saw it in Central America. I saw it in Mexico. we took it and then we gave it back the following week. The War For Drugs .they're gonna use it against the guerrillas. Look at the money that’s been laundered . And the people don’t realize and they don’t really care that much but they’re starting to care. So it’s more like the War For Drugs. We got more banks in South Texas than we do 7-11s or Circle Ks. We have more drugs today than we ever did thirty years ago. who tries to sell them for me. So if people were to question the government about what they are doing in Colombia. He gets half of whatever he sells and I keep the other half…. But are they aware of the political reasons for the U. And it’s exactly what's going to happen. It used to be the middle class people. It didn’t make sense but that’s exactly what's going to happen in Colombia. what would the government say they are really doing? We’ll they say that they're fighting the so-called War on Drugs because the numbers are there. or the lower income people that were doing coke and now we got like in Plano. They're starting to use heroin now. intervention in Colombia and the relationship between the US military and Intelligence and drug traffickers? Well. I feel the reason why people are caring about what is going on in Colombia is that now we have one out of four of every family who's actually involved .and none of this thing about legalizing marijuana .S.exactly. what’s happening is that the American Government is saying it’s safe to go into Colombia when. There never has been because we don’t even make a dent. They were supposed to be used on the War On Drugs. Do you think people are aware of what's happening in Colombia right now? Well the question about the people caring about Colombia is an issue that has not hit home yet. I have Mike Ruppert. whatever you call it. in reality.some of it . We got so many drugs and they're using those numbers to justify the War On Drugs when in reality they’re going down there and getting involved in drug trafficking.a very small percentage being seized OK? It’s being seized in the US . where the rich kids are. where we had to take that hill. Our elementary schools are infested with cocaine. Salvador. So now they want to get involved and now they want to write the Congressmen and now they want to do something about it. Not because of the moral issue but because there's too much money to be made on it.

You go to the left. .they're flying in drugs. Then again they came after me. I went up there. as far as I'm concerned. Well. it was an undercover operation. Well Clinton. very well established that those governments or these third world countries down there are known as cocaine democracies. and you do what you gotta do.they're blaming the guerrillas for being involved in drug trafficking when all these years we’ve known that the government has been involved in drug trafficking." And he said: "Cele . I was using an M16 that I was unqualified to use. my hands are tied. the Contras here at Ilopango Airport . in reality. I felt that he just wanted to put a stop to it and he was gonna use me to do that and that’s exactly what happened. And if I said the word ‘excellente’.how could I not be qualified to use an M16? Little things like that… So then. Describe the climate of fear you endured as a DEA agent knowing that if you did your job. Arkansas. Then I gave the buzz signal for them to come take me out and I said the word: ‘excellente’. and it means you ain't gonna make any waves. And there was the allegation of cocaine coming in to Mena." And. was the fact that I went in an undercover operation and they tried to set me up. "Cele. You're right. Arkansas was being used by the CIA to train the Contras. the Republicans were accused during the Iran-Contra thing of being involved in drug trafficking and so forth.there's nothing I can do about it. the reason I left the Agency in 1992. You’ve got to remember he was Governor of Arkansas when this whole Contra operation with the CIA started so he was part of the problem to the extent that he didn’t want to admit to the fact that Mena.one of the things as you grow up . It was an operation where some Mexican cartel individuals were going to sell me some heroin and cocaine . Arkansas and so forth. you would face some form of retaliation. When you first discovered the CIA drug operation at Ilopango you were warned to leave it alone. I'm a Vietnam veteran . It’s a covert operation being run by the White House .as you grow up in the world… you know." He says." So I said. I started documenting and writing reports and I was forewarned by my supervisor that if I kept it up.people . When I approached the Ambassador in El Salvador and I told him. was involved with the Mena operation when the CIA was involved in training the Contras in Mena. you start stepping on people's toes and they're gonna come after you and what they did is they came after me with little claims: that I was too close to an informant.large quantities. let the chips fall where they may. "Look. I was wired. Talk about Clinton and how he fits into the equation. Now this is my understanding… the fact is that it's not a two Party thing . So I said ‘excellente’ and nobody came.remember. "Well I'm going to go ahead and report this to Washington. You go with the flow. I was going to get kicked out of the country and sent back because I was making waves against the country. your parents taught you what was right and wrong. But there are consequences you will pay if you go to the right and tell the truth.do what you gotta do. They had investigations.your airport . It's very well documented. You can go to the right . it means: ‘he's got the dope come arrest him’.the right means doing the right thing. And what happened to me was when I started to see all of this. The House Select Committee on Intelligence did an investigation on the CIA and so forth. when I started . And my father always said: ‘you're gonna come to that Y in the road.

I loved it. If I can save students from the drug problem that they are having and if I can save then from doing things or believing in things that they don’t really know anything about. and I say .S. I gave up my dream to get involved in the movement . And then. The high rate of divorce for law enforcement.not one day or one night goes by that I don’t dream about what I used to do for a living. I taught my daughter what's right and what's wrong. They had guns with them and they were gonna kill me. I kind of felt like Frank Serpico when he goes through the door . the posttraumatic stress that they go through. And by that time I was going through a divorce. the stress. I teach them about corruption . put everything in a cardboard box and I left the Agency. there was no way I would have gone . And I got my journals. And I've taught my son what's right and what's wrong. I went into the office. government because that’s just like selling him into the same thing that I was doing. I was being set up to be assassinated so they could blame it on the bad guys and that’s the day that I decided to quit the Agency.was that I secretly met with Lawrence Walsh and his people from the Iran Contra investigation to advise him of what I had had and to show them what I had of the government's involvement in drug trafficking and I gave that to them. But don’t you think that you are actually pursuing your dream? Exactly but not a day goes by . I lost my family and I was paying bills and they took all the savings I had on CDs and so forth and they took a penalty on it and up to this day. And that’s one of the tools that they use to come after you.I thought . If I would have known all that before I went into law enforcement. the first thing that the government did was they sent the IRS after me. which is called a tarnished badge. And once I left the Agency. "Dad how do you feel? How do you feel that all of your life you wanted to be a drug agent and all of a sudden you're not? How do you feel about your government and how does your government feel about you?" You know. This was my job.you know it's the same thing. Like when I teach criminal justice.his face is caught in the door and his partner is not there and there's nobody there to help him. Because they ask me.And I could see the agent sitting around and just looking at me. Now I have the burden of my dreams that I always wanted to retire as a drug agent and in reality. The only thing . So I popped the trunk and nobody came.to be an activist . you know. And I thought: ‘Well. I owe the government 15. I became controversial instead of fighting for what I believe in . I tell them about the suicide rate in law enforcement. You know the corruption. I didn’t have the money to buy the dope and they knew it. he was being set up to get killed and have it blamed on the bad guys and that’s how I felt. when I left the Agency. In reality that’s not what's happening. The problem they had with me is the fact that I kept pictures. In other words. of course. I kept documentation.I mean being what I wanted to do. Pictures don’t lie.I teach them about police corruption. when in reality we don’t. Because what I'm doing now it's much stronger than what I was dreaming of doing because now I am actually saving people.000 dollars. that’s a visual signal in case my wire went down that they’ve got the dope and for them to be arrested.I strongly believe that because I am telling the truth and I'm here educating the students of this country then I will not be around for long because they cannot let this happen. And it was a sacrifice. I talk from the heart. they start conducting some kind of investigation. But that’s why when I speak out and I talk to people.and I feel . I have a son who I would never ever let him go into the military or work for the U. what I did was my last duty for my government . Documentation doesn’t lie when it’s signed by my supervisor.to fight for other people's battles that won't fight for themselves. if I pop the trunk. Needless to say. Because students are always taught that we live in the best country in the world.

The same indigenous people in the Guatemalan military were killing their own race . They were not letting us win that War On Drugs down there or help anybody because that’s business as usual for the US government in those third world countries.for me. I have a lot of friends that are still with the Agency that I get calls from .S. They don’t want to know the truth. Education is powerful. I said. It's just up to you . But you have to question what you read.their own culture . They are in denial. A lot of students are scared. They have let them sleep with the cartels in the name of democracy and in reality that’s what really hurts.but they will not come forth and do anything because they have a mortgage to pay. that’s what it is . my father taught me that American people are decent people – they’ve got integrity. Not to say that everybody . Why? Because they live in their own little world . you have to read and educate yourself. A lot of people say.into law enforcement. And it's not that those third world countries are bad it's that the U.S. So basically. And when I went up there and worked for the government I realized that it wasn’t true. for example.’ And in reality . So what is the character of a government that is involved in this kind of drug exchange and at the same time has systematically imprisoned an entire generation of young black and Latino men? Well first of all.from the DEA. telling me that I am doing a good job and so forth . And I was devastated because I was. It was their own people killing their own people. ‘there's got to be a catch to this . So as more developing countries become savvy to what's going on and become self-aware and start looking at their populations and realizing that they’ve in fact shrunk their own populations with wars that were manufactured by the United States to facilitate the flow of drugs into the US . So you know it’s a good thing. They were making money for their covert operations and I came to learn that this is the history of the United States government working in those third world countries. as a patriotic Latino family where I came from. ‘believe what you read’ and so forth. I felt that we are the worst human rights violators in the face of the world because we were down there training the death squads. you know.it's very comfortable and they don’t want to make any waves. they have an agenda. the civil wars in San Salvador and Guatemala. government has destroyed those countries. I thought. government was working in doing all that stuff. you know. And to me. I got a bitter taste from it all.no! It was just that they were lining their own pockets. they have a career to save and they gotta save money to send their kids to school.we got good police officers in there. And I've always said that in any aspect of life. the best government in the world.not the United States government!’ We've always been taught that we are the best country in the world and there was no way … and it dawned on me that we were not.and this was how the U. man.there is something here that’s not right. It’s a good government. I don’t know what it is or maybe there is just something else to it.you got two different kinds of individuals: people that will actually fight for the rights of the people and the other ones that just sit back and let it ride. What can we do? Well the first thing you can do is to educate yourselves. Maybe it’s a real deep cover operation. first of all. ‘this cannot be . trying to justify what they were doing.they have nothing to win by going up there and putting their lives on the line because of what they believe in. I went out there and I saw. When you listen to people that were actually there .

face? The leaders of these countries . We saw with Carlos Salina. They abuse that National Security Act by not giving you those documentations. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. government is now retired in the U.S. If Congress can pass this." You know there was a story about . Corruption is the way of life in this world. We saw with Alan Garcia in Peru . They leave office and they're gone. the President of Mexico . government. Unless we go back to the history books and find that the history books lied to us about just about everything that the government did. And. Unless we educate our students and let them know what our government is really all about. So is there something we can do to change that? Yes there's something we can do . Now.will we come out of this OK? Will we survive? I don’t think we'll survive . OK? And the House Select Committee on Intelligence that just now finished their report . Just last week there was an allegation that the CIA was instrumental in the murder of a diplomat here in the US . how could they have done a thorough investigation when they don’t even investigate the agents who were down there conducting these investigations? The documentation is there .I think we're too late for this. They are up here sending their kids to Ivy League schools and so forth.nice people and be the clean people but it's never gonna happen because they're never gonna let us do it! The American government is not going to let us do it and our own people in our government are not going to let us do it. I remember a colonel I was telling. what we'll have is an act of Congress and the Senate that enables us to have access to those reports that are filed by the government. Look at the history on the Central Intelligence Agency. That’s the only way you're going to be able to make people accountable for their actions.S. the government is still lying to the American people. he left. . So that’s exactly what it is. The Central Intelligence Agency has been very much involved in atrocities… the patchwork they did down in Central America. There's no middle class in Latin America.a Chilean diplomat and so forth. Or they sign the Privacy Act Law.he left. Every third world country’s President that helped the U.he's gone. in reality. We don’t want it to take 30 years to find out who killed JFK or who was involved in all kinds of assassinations. We want to be the right people . Iran Contra missed a lot of details . Then we can see it in black and white that we know who is behind the massive cover-ups and so forth. Well. murder . They're all working.what fate does the U. aren't those countries going to wise up and eventually band together .they are saying that they did a thorough investigation. "why are you taking the money from the traffickers?" He said.all you gotta do is look for it. "Cele how can you as an American come down here and tell me not to be corrupt when this is all we have learned all our lives? Either we do it or we don’t do it.it's called the Open Records Act. Nobody cares about their governments.why? Because the Special Counsel had an agreement with the government not to pursue the drug issue. They all leave and they really don't care because corruption is the number one thing in those Latin world countries.they all have their own agendas and it's always about money.. and they will be punished for that.S. which says you're not accessed to it because of National Security. you know.the U.S.so that they could control those markets. assassins.it's just business as usual for the government . of course the government will abuse it by using the National Security Act so that you won't have access to the files. dealing with drug traffickers. They are not coming forward with their investigations. It always has been and always will be.

Well the theory is this: they are building more prisoners instead of more universities or more schools now and what it is is a control of the minority groups. then do my homework while this guy has money. you are not going to go anywhere. So we have large minorities . Well a couple million are not going to be able to vote because they are on parole. We have teachers. we've always talked to them about materialistic things .000. corporate America. It is obvious that it was established that way. And.a football player who has a bankroll of money in his pocket. here? .African Americans . the siblings .Who benefits from this system of control like this? Well.we had the federal laws on mandatory minimums for coke and crack… the differences between the sentences for crack and coke are totally imbalanced. Without money you ain't gonna have anything.what's in it for me? Nobody wants to do anything unless there's money involved.we got more banks in South Texas than we do 7-11’s. You know. Who uses crack? Well minorities do. they are preventing them from being able to vote. I've always said to students: ‘you know when your father or your mother gets involved in drugs . Talk about the Prison Industrial Complex.999. All the money that comes in from the drug trade goes through Wall Street.it destroys the brother. Because if you look at the numbers that the government gives us .money. forget everything else. money. you know. And no matter what it is.there's several million. And we got hundreds of people coming in with money . money. So by imprisoning young Black and Latinos. like I said before .when he goes to jail or when she goes to jail. Do you think this is an intentional.everybody. Who's the winner and who's the loser.S. and that was developed to put them away because the government knew that the minorities were coming up into this country. I have a guy . Why? Because this generation that’s coming up.laundering money. we have lawyers. We have another guy who works at Burger King after school and then has another job and goes home and says it's not fair that I have to work after school. we have doctors that are involved in drugs now. it doesn’t only destroy him . drives the best cars.money . Exactly and it destroys the family values.we got more Blacks and Latinos in jail for drug offenses that anybody else and their sentences are way higher compared to cocaine. Who uses coke? Well. For example. government that benefits. and has all the girls around. Wall Street.the Latinos for example are the biggest minority going up in this country . systemic agenda? That the government is in some way controlling the drug flow and. If you don’t have money. forget your values. And we got people from Mexico coming in and depositing $9. at the same time. you gotta report it to the IRS). And that’s what we teach them . the sister. they're putting the minorities away .’ And it goes down the tubes and it's the family that is destroyed. Forget your morals. I think that it’s a racist development within the crack and the cocaine laws especially. middle class and upper class people. we’ve got a couple of million people . And what happens is you have people who are in there doing 25 years for a couple of hundred dollars of crack. And the problem is. it’s the U. enacting very tough legislation that directly targets minorities and the poor? Is it racist? I think it is. there's so much money to be made.that are in prison that are not able to vote anymore.99 (because if you go with $10. I see it in school. First of all.

That’s the education part but you know.Bell Company was making money. then we don’t know what kind of soldiers we got. going back to being patriotic… I am a Vietnam veteran. you know? Let them know.where we spent 1. There's an individual here named Peter Dale Scott who wrote a book called The War Conspiracy. for your causes.night vision equipment companies.S. Show them what's gonna happen if this happens. This is what we use to find out if we have. vendors that were involved in night vision equipment that they were selling to the guerrillas. you should have done this…’ Let them know what it is that they're gonna be going through. Most people think that war emerges from passion . where it could have been won easily. we had a company of ranger units that came in there to find out if they had what it takes to be a good soldier. all you see on the ground are small little American flags.we elect the Presidents . Not after it happens. when the students are gone." . And the U. So the US government had to send them in there covertly to get involved in fire fights to find out how they would be able to survive. They were making money .from different factions fighting against each other because they disagree over a moral principle or something else." I had a CIA operative that came up to me and said.I remember a no-good commander came up to me and told me. We could have won that war in the second year. If you don’t have a war. where he talks about the fact that war is in fact manufactured. Because you can't feel it. you don’t have any good soldiers because you don’t know what it is.we come out here and we buy these third world countries.fighting for your wars.for example. "This is how we find out. or if the soldier has the guts to go out there and torture people and kill people. Helicopters . Show them the picture before it happens. you have to have a good war. See. And that’s why they were manufacturing this civil war in El Salvador. You can't feel the pain when you’ve lost a brother or a sister in a war… and what that person was doing out there . he went ahead and paid the ultimate price. I keep going back to education because you gotta teach them. ‘well.we do all this because this is known as our training grounds. you're not going to know. But we let it . But it went on for ten years . This is what we do . military was using the war for its own purposes.So how do we make it so that something else becomes attractive other than money? What are some of the values that we can endorse and how can we ingrain within the system a sense of respect and heroism around people like you? One of the things is education. And the reason I know that for a fact is because I was in that civil war in El Salvador . To have a good soldier.why? Because we had vendors . Because they have no concept of what being a patriot is. "Cele. you need to have a war to find out what patriotism is and if you don't have one. They’re waving these little American flags around. I go to parades on Veteran's Day and I go out and I lecture to kids and everybody's wearing the American flag. what are you doing reporting this to Washington about the drug trafficking with the Contras and so forth? These are our countries we buy 'em . Is that the case? Are wars manufactured? Wars are manufactured. and he paid the ultimate price by giving his life to what? Whether he believed in it. And needless to say. so we need these civil wars. and right after the presentations. That’s the only way we're gonna find out. or did not believe in it. They have no concept of what is gonna happen. If we don’t have this. This is what we need.5 million dollars a day.

Ambassador Piedra's residence . and a whole bunch of other people on the third floor of the US embassy. He was there to welcome the new so-called democracy that had come into power in Guatemala. and there was a cocktail party at the residence . I said. he met with Adolpho Collero. that same afternoon.traveling to different parts of the country of Central America and meeting with people that were stationed in Central America and going to Washington to discuss the Contra operation. what I would have to say to the Central Intelligence Agency is exactly what I told Randy Capister.they are not gonna put up with these atrocities. "Well. How can he run around with a straight face and talk to people that he knows he's employing to do something that he knows he doesn’t really want them to succeed at doing? . who was head of the Contras. I do narcotics investigation. And that certain date." He says.because nobody wants to see these atrocities happen anymore. Can you tell us about it? On January 14.Senator Kerry's report on the Contra operations.the follow-up on the event was that he continued to meet during that time period with different people . he just smiled and looked at me and shook my hand and walked away without saying a word." At that time. all this is gonna come back and bite you in the ass. The ball's in his court and now he's gonna have problems trying to justify his actions. Because now the problem is not from whistleblowers like me.who was a Cuban American. And accountability . And now it's gotten back to him. "Well you know we have some information that there's something funny going on with the Contras at Ilopango airport. I knew then and there that he knew what the Contras were doing at Ilopango airport. "Cele. So basically I saw George Bush and he comes up to me and asks me what my job description was and I said. getting involved in drug trafficking and all this.Is there something that you'd like to say to the CIA? You know. it wasn’t a democracy .it's a CIA floor. He met with Oliver North.accountability ." And I said. then Vice-President George Bush arrived at the Ambassador's residence. there are talks about dismantling the CIA because of these atrocities that they have been involved with for so many years. one day.like Jack McCavet. That's very well established in the Iran Contra investigation and John Kerry's report . which is known as the Bubble . What happened there in '86 . Nobody's going to do anything to us because we are who we are. 1986. Ironically.a different generation . this CIA agent that was down there in Central America training the death squads.that it was going to come back and bite him in the butt and he didn’t believe that. Speaking of the CIA – we have seen a picture of you with George Bush Senior." But as we now know. this is what we've been doing all of our lives. "Randy. So I knew right then and there that he knew that the Contras were involved in this drug trafficking. but from his own people . In reality. I was assigned to Guatemala City in Guatemala as a special agent with the Drug Enforcement Administration. international narcotics investigation for the Drug Enforcement Administration and I'm also the agent that covers El Salvador.it was still the military running the country. And that’s why they are having problems trying to recruit CIA agents into the Central Intelligence Agency . who was Chief of Station in El Salvador and Guatemala all these years was forewarned . Was there any follow up to that event? No. Anyway what happened was George Bush came in as a representative of the United States to congratulate the new government.it was January 14 .

And being an ex-Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. And I remember that DEA Washington came down and spoke to me and said. stay away from it. "It’s a covert operation being run by the White House. Can you just talk to me briefly about your experience with the media . "Look you’ve got to use the work allege on your reports.I did an exclusive with Prime Time Live on the atrocities in Guatemala and they did a perfect job. They failed to mention the names of the agents that were involved in these murders for accountability. Any other stories where you’ve been suppressed or there were threats… . He knew that the Contras were involved in drug trafficking but it was OK because we were fighting communism in Central America and they were making all kinds of money for the covert operation. "Well how can I use the word allege when I actually see these people and they're getting arrested in South Texas!" For example. Any major news media will go to a point but you will never find them naming names or pictures because then it's too close to home… and that’s reality. They showed the pictures.5 million dollars cash! He was known at Ilopango as the 6 million dollar man! Now that was just one load of money that was taken down in South Texas that belonged to the Contras and to the CIA and he flew around all over Central and South America with credentials from the Central Intelligence Agency. If it touches into something that . they filmed for two hours.we talked about ABC News before. Cele. You gotta remember with that operation at Ilopango. and so forth and a guy who's documented in the FBI files was doing the fundraisers. They are not going to go that far. from the President of El Salvador and so forth and he was able to come and go as he pleased! And he was the right hand man for Major Roberto D'Aubuisson… and the money issue .the far right was also very much involved in drug trafficking. Why? Because they are not going to get involved in a dispute with the Central Intelligence Agency. and how the CIA was running the operation out of Ilopango.they were also . I just did a story with ABC. the Ambassador’s own words were. What happened was he knew it was happening but it was OK. It was no shock to him. That was his project." And I said.talk about some of the experiences you’ve had and how information has managed to be suppressed." you know? And I told him. Francisco "Chico" Guirola-Beech got arrested in South Texas with 5. He knew from the get-go what the Contras were doing. The media is good to a point and you gotta remember why they are out there . They are probably not going to do that story because it's an election year and so forth and whatever happens. But what they failed to do was mention the Central Intelligence Agency. But the problem is that they have their own orders like everybody else. about 60 Minutes . It’s very well documented in the DEA files because I documented it and other people in Costa Rica documented it. he knew that these things happened.for example ABC . You've got to understand that the Contra operation was his baby and he was going to take care of that baby any way he could. so it’s no question that these things occurred and there’s no question that the White House knew about it. They came down. "I’m gonna do what I have to do…" and I strongly feel that the Ambassador didn’t like it either but he had no choice – he was the Ambassador.Well that was his baby. happens.there are numbers to be made and so forth. I told them about how the drug money was coming into the Republicans for George W. He also knew that pilots that were flying for the Contras were all documented traffickers in DEA files. he was given instructions to play ball… and that he did. the viewers saw the people that were murdered and killed.

"How many directors have ever come down here and sat here and talked to you about it?" Well none. he went. Why? Any major investigation on the House Select Committee on Intelligence . You are familiar with Mike Ruppert’s showdown with CIA Director John Deutch in California. That’s exactly what happens.the same thing. And his famous words were "If we find any wrongdoing. I mean. It gives you nothing. What he didn’t realize was the fact that that so many people were gonna show up. using the money from Mexico from a guy who’s documented in the FBI files . Where is Maxine Waters now? Why is she not around to help us support the latest thing in the Ninth Circuit that came out under Renaldo Pena? What happened? Why is there no news release from her? Why? Because there's an agreement. You can't go any further than that. Juanita Macdonald came down here and tried to talk to the people and nothing happened. I refused to go up there because I knew it was going to be an Intelligence gathering for the Central Intelligence Agency to find out who had what on who… And Mike Ruppert went up there and said.and nothing happened. he sat there. It gives you no justification. they've been involved for many years in drug trafficking in the Central Intelligence Agency in South Central" and so forth. you know. They went after Gore in the Buddhist temple money fundraiser. Exactly. we will prosecute…" Well. and he lied to the American people. And I knew exactly that that was what was going to happen . I mean you're out there talking your heart out – and for what? So they can put maybe a four minute thing on your story? And that’s it? So how can you justify the story with eight minutes . One of the first questions I asked was. Why? Because they had an agreement with the government not to pursue the drug issue. Well. NBC or CBS do an exclusive on the War On Drugs? Where they actually went out there and interviewed the people that were involved in it? They didn't. I was here. They're not going to cover it. And then nothing happened. Nothing happened. We knew that. George W. when have you ever seen ABC.will probably not be released because of the Republicans. Deutch says. "why didn’t you send somebody to Guatemala or El Salvador to interview the drug agents about the drug issue?" And they never did it. they’ll film you for three hours for an eight minute segment. and nothing ever happened. So is Maxine Waters being suppressed by the Democrats internally? . Maxine Waters came here . Calm them down. ‘we're here and we're listening and we're doing this and we're doing that. and that’s what the Democrats are doing. "Well.you can't. And that’s the MO. you know. Did his public questioning of Deutch have any effect on the people? Well ignorance to a liar is an excuse. But he came down here and he lied to us! So what was the big deal? He came up here. I mean you can touch the tip of the iceberg and that’s it. You know.I've done just about everybody and it gets to a point where they will. So it seems like that too was a strategy of containment. why can't they get on Bush with all this illegal money coming in from Mexico into his campaign? Why? Because there is an agreement. Iran Contra -the same thing. Deutch knew exactly what was going on.’ And they did calm down. as they say.I've done approximately two and a half hours or maybe three hours of exclusives from Discovery to CNN to Dateline to Prime Time Live to Current Affair .the Congresswoman. he came. They came up here and tried to quiet the troops down. They come up here and they try to justify it. There's an agreement between the Republicans and the Democrats and that is: not to bring up the drug issue on the candidates.

Cocaine democracy. They're gonna bust some people. they're gonna take down the major drug traffickers. Cocaine Politics is another word for cocaine democracy.Yes. As you’re growing up as a student. This is the guy that threatened to kill DEA agents and that blew up some DEA offices and so forth. why is she not here helping us? Define the term ‘cocaine politics’ and how it applies to Colombia.they are using drug traffickers to work against those people. Carlos Leder . Everybody knew that there was a fight at the Alamo but nobody knows why. I hate to say that but time and time again. They literally took it away from Mexico. He now works for the US government. drug agents. The oppression of the indigenous people is very important.. Like my little daughter said. as I said before. he is out selling cocaine to the Russians. You need to get involved. to know exactly how our government works. and how it’s gonna come back. And if you don’t. you come to that fork in the road and that’s when you do what your heart feels and you do it at all costs.you know? You should learn this right now as you go through life. In the end it might even cost you your family – it cost me mine. she pulled back and she's out of the picture. the politics of cocaine is to make the money . But I could sleep easily every night because I knew I was making a difference. who is now working for the US government? Thank you… anything else you’d like to say? One more thing. You know. This is a guy who was head of the cartels . I think Maxine has compromised herself. then you’re just gonna go with the flow and make no waves and do whatever. And we talked about how the United States stole the southwest part of the United States.. this guy who wants to murder and kill federal U. He is doing all kinds of illegal activity for the U.but yet he testified. You gotta remember her husband is Ambassador to the Bahamas. He is now out of prison! He got life without parole – without the possibility of parole. the major cartels and. They are using their own people to destroy them and I think it’s important for you to educate yourself – not for anything else but just for your own mind.the civil rights problems we are having in our country. "Dad what do we care what’s going on in Colombia or what’s going on anywhere in the world?" Well you should care because it’s going to hit home sooner or later.S. He is now out and he's working for the US government. because you need to make a difference.S.founder of one of the cartels. who has mass murdered people in Colombia. But if you go and do the right thing. The atrocities are gonna hit home and it's hitting home right now with the civil liberties violations . So take it for what it's worth.he testified against Noriega . as you know.and that's what they're gonna be doing in Colombia. So those are things that are important that I don’t want you to learn twenty years from now . or was. She came in very strong and then all of a sudden. she is being contacted to support us on this issue. By his wife's own words. And that’s because of what’s going on all over Central and South America and how the government works in suppressing those people. they took Pablo Escobar out and somebody else popped up. For example. They're gonna be taking large amounts of money and they're gonna put on a show.he never met Noriega in his life . The Cali cartel . it’s gonna cost you a lot. government and this is what our government is about? You know. . They don’t teach you why. He went under the Witness Protection Program. You saw the history – all the history’s been written but it’s not right.

number one. Black tar heroin is back. And it came and it captured the youth of our country and it basically almost destroyed this generation that we have coming up. Not because it’s morally wrong but because there is too much money to be made on it. It couldn’t be further from the truth! They know that tobacco is bad for us – it’s addictive.it’s never been cheaper! There was a time period when heroin was only coming in from European countries or from China or the Triangle. and it’s gonna be accessible to anybody. and then prohibit their use… Exactly. where have you ever heard of a teenager being hooked on heroin? And we had a whole bunch of young kids overdosing. and then the crack epidemic. But you know one of the things that some students ask is. once it gets a hold of you. and now you’re gonna do what we tell you to do. So it’s getting in our backyard now as they say. And they are able to use the laws to control the population through imprisonment and addiction. I mean every major drug is back. Heroin does not discriminate. Texas.in Plano. But now it’s coming from Mexico. China white heroin is back. You gotta have a lot of will power to let go of it and it will not only destroy you. why don’t we legalize marijuana? That’s never gonna happen. get them addicted to them. But then it turned around and… cocaine does not discriminate. And now… we have captured you. we got you hooked on drugs. it’s coming in from Colombia… I remember flying over the opium poppies in Guatemala .S. We’re gonna brainwash you and we’re gonna do what we have to do to suppress you… It’s not that they want us to not do drugs because they are bad for us. it’s not gonna release you. Alcohol is bad for us. Look in Dallas .massive amounts of cocaine are coming in from South America . Whether those agencies are consciously aware of it or not. maybe this is obvious to you but it’s something that I just put together… From opium to marijuana to cocaine to heroin.It seems like – you know. Anybody around you that loves you is . the pattern that we’ve seen is consistently the same. The elites. We could stop anything we want to stop but because of economic reasons. So can you just say that in your own words? OK. I couldn’t believe that they were still producing heroin out of Guatemala and Mexico City. Heroin is back. You know.between Mexico and Guatemala. So they’re not prohibiting drugs because they’re harmful to us – they are prohibiting drugs because that way they can control the competing drug cartels through the DEA and FBI and CIA. We have the best intelligence in the world.S. Look. dying of heroin that was being brought in by the Mexican government with the U. what happens is that the U. use these substances to ensure and maintain their own power. LSD is back. Is that too wild an interpretation? No. Cocaine . we have more drugs today than ever before. whether it was cocaine. it’s sold in stores. Cocaine. it’s not gonna stop. You know. or whoever is in power and fears the masses. government has been instrumental in bringing drugs into this country . where we have a lot of rich families living there. They pique the public’s curiosity about these drugs. Then crack came down and the lower income and middle class minorities started to use it. And that's why you need to learn to stay away from drugs because drugs will destroy you. It’s exactly right. government’s knowledge. we remember that at one time cocaine was only for the rich and the people who were able to afford it and so forth.whether it was heroin.

I'm a former Drug Enforcement Administration undercover agent and I'm here for Guerrilla News Network. that’s gonna be destroyed by that. I promise you that. Can you just say… My name is Celerino Castillo the III. There’s a brother or sister in the immediate family. And if you don’t believe me.gonna be destroyed. you just look around. Right on… thank you .