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[ inaudible] . - - a i r traffic c o n t r o l - New York, you can hang up. Please leave a message — We already got you. know your ATTs [ph] We're

just letting everybody [inaudible]. MR. MR. MS. MR. [?] flight service. MS. : : : : :

Roger.

[inaudible] .

[inaudible] . New York Center is ATCO Yeah. [ph]

This is Williamsport

New York Center is declared

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Okay . ATCO. Yes . : Okay; okay. This is Thanks

MR.

W a s h - - R S . . [ ? ] , Williamsport Flight Service. MS. : New York Center is declared

ATCO due to emergency.
MR. : Yes; we know.

MS. MR. [Hang - up. ] MR.
MS . ATCO? MR . MS .

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Okay. Okay. Thanks.

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Walsh. Got it Walsh, New York Center

New York Center's ATCO? Yes . : : Okay. Thank you.

MR. MS. To make

Thank you for your message. To

[?] this message urgent, press six.

send a message, press pound or hang up. Message marked urgent; message sent. You

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[Voice way in background.] Andy [?] [inaudible]. Command Center. Heads up.

Washington won't be able to take any more New [inaudible], N e w - - I can't even t a l k - - N e w York traffic here shortly, so you probably can expect to hold if you have MR. MS. [inaudible] . : Okay; thanks. Bye.

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Did you get that Atlanta? MR. MS. : : Atlanta's up. Yeah. Washington won't be

able to take anymore New, New York t r a f f i c - MR. : Okay.

MS.
MR.

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--here shortly.
All right .

MS.

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Cleveland's already in the

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hold for the New York traffic.
MS . MR. MS .

All right. Hey, Wanda. Yeah? :

Thank you

MR.

Is this something that we

should probably suggest diversions? MS. : Diversions, reroutes, We don't know how

anything around New York; yes. long .
MR. : Okay.

MS. MR.

: :

McPherson

[?], Wanda. Chris McCarey Presently,

Hey, Wanda.

[ph], LaGuardia Traffic Control Tower.

we are obviously in delays because I've stopped all- MS .

We don't — : : —departures off the airport. Okay. We don't--okay. Well,

MR. MS.

if you're set, do it later.
MR. : Okay.

MS.

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All right .

Bye.

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MR .

Thank you.

[Phone ringing numerous times.] MR. MR. Center. : : Andy. Andy, this is Bob, Command

I need you to tell me anything or

everything you can about American 77, where he is and if you have radar or not. MR. : Well--okay. I'm listening to

my ops manager talk to Washington. MR. MR. : : I'm sorry? We were talking to him right

in the vicinity of Henderson. MR. MR. [ Pause.] MR. : Okay. We, I guess we were : : Henderson? What's Henderson?

Hang on, hang on a second.

talking to him in the vicinity of Henderson, H - n - n . We lost communications and radar with him. a minute. Hang on

I'm going to have the, the ops manager

tell you the story. MR. : Hello, Command Center?

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Yes

, s ir.

MR. Manager.

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This is John Thomas, Ops know

I think we need to let everybody

this right away, if they don't already.

American

77 was over--was just west of Charleston, West Virginia, [inaudible] 350, it's a heav--heavy

Boeing 752, and disappeared off our radar scope about 1256Z, along with lost frequency. treating it as a loss, started to do some procedures to notify search and rescue, and whatnot, whe--when American Airlines told us they'd had some aircraft, or an aircraft hijacked. We now believe that aircraft may have been We were

hijacked, although no one has--you know, we have nothing to verify that. But with the World Trade

Center, we could have another "loose" aircraft out there somewhere. MR. : Okay. At the time of loss,

di--what altitude was he at w h e n - MR. 350 .
MR.

Flight level, flight

level

And he just lost primary

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primary or that we could see ; of course we don't, wouldn't necessarily be able to pick up the primary there anyway. MR. : Okay, and I'm assuming, then,

that you're doing what you can to do a primary re--retrack on him, if you can do that from [ inaudible] . MR. MR. lost : : Yeah; sure. And then--so 1256 zero we Any ELT?

[inaudible] and radar.
MR. : No ELT.

MR.

:

Okay.

Any more

information this

you get, I'd appreciate it, and I'll forward immediately up to the NOMIN that's standing up there. MR. MR. MR. : : Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Bye. [ph] and

everybody

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MS .

Command Center.

Wanda.

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awt MR. I'm sure you're : Hey, Wanda, this is Philly.

aware, Cleveland ground stopped

traffic for Philly. MS. York too; yeah.
MR. : Okay. Well--

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Everything's stopped in New

MS. MR . MS. MR.

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You're included. I understand that.

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Okay. Is there any r e a s - - i s there

any reason why not, that Cleveland can't run traffic through Indy, Washington and us? MS. out, Philly. MR.
MS . MR. MS . MR .

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All that has to be worked

Do you have the news? : :
:

What's that? Do you have the news?
The news?

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Have you seen the news? Yes . Okay. They're working on

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MS.

what they're gonna do as far as going around, what can get in, what can't get in. So until the dust

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MS . MR. are you? MS . MR. MS . MR. :

Command Center. Wanda.

Wanda. [ph]. How

Terry Boss

Yeah. Wanda? Yeah . All right. Just, just so you

guys know, I know we've coordinated, we've stopped all traffic, but based on the tape that we've heard, all right, it was stated that we have airplanes, which is obvious by the two that have already gone down— MS. third already. MR. you know what? is to ground MS. : You know what? Okay. My And : And, and there's a possible

There may be more.

suggestion

stop all traffic. : Okay. A-A-A.

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MR. MR. MR. Yes .

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[inaudible] Wanda? : Yeah.

[in background.]

MS. supervisors.

I'm talking to They

I'm relaying your information.

say they discussed this once. you a supervisor here.
MR. : Okay.

Here, let me give

MR.
MR.

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This is

[inaudible].

Who's this?

MR. MR. Boston. MR. MR.

: :

[inaudible] ESU

[?].

Hey, Mike, this is Terry at

: :

Hi, Terry.

What's up?

Hey look — this is a r e a l - - I On

would suggest that you ground stop all traffic.

our tape it says we have some planes, plural, which is obvious by what's happened. MR. : Okay. Your tape, which is

from what? conversation w i t h - MR. MR . With American 11. And when they were hijacked--

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11 MR. right. : When they were hijacked. All

What happened was that the pilot had keyed

the mike while this guy with a Middle Eastern accent was talking, and they said that "we have planes." All right. I think we've got—we've,

we've got definitely more than--we definitely have more than one. MR. We could have more. : Well, we have two gone

already and a third that's missing —
MR. : Okay.

MR. MR. ground stop MR.

: :

--and probably down. And I would suggest you

everything. : All right. Any other

information you c a n - MR. MR. right. MR. MR . MR . MR . : Yeah. Thanks, Terry. That's real. Bye . Bye-bye : : That's all I got right now. Okay. "We have planes." All

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MR .

Command Center. : Hi.

Pat.

MR.

I know you guys got big

problems right now but I've been asked if there's been any consideration into ground stopping all air traffic in the country. MR. : We're doing that right now.

They just made the phone cal1 - - nothing moves. MR. : Sorry; the line cut out. You country?

are ground stopping the whole MR.
MR. MR.

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Nothing moves, period.
Okay. You got it .

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MR.

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[inaudible] no more

departures anywhere? MR .
MR . MR .

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You

got

it .

Thank you. Bye .

MR. MR.

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:

TRA-- [?] . TRACON. This is Command from the

Center East supervisor.

I got a report

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Logan that they're trying to hijack off the ground. Do you know anything about that?

MR.
MR. MR. MR . MR. MR . MR.

: :
: : : : : :

I have not heard that. Check-Let me - --up in the tower for me. Hold on a second. Command Center. Hey, this is Orlando. I got

a question

for you.

I got the ground stop traffic Does that include--

to all destinations MR. :

[unintelligible] Command

Center, hold on a sec. MR. MR. : : Thank you. —specify like tower and Has this, has this

route, things of that nature.

come out of headquarters or, or what's the s ituat ion? MR. MR. MR. It came from here. It came from there? Yup .

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"ground stop all destinations," you mean VFRs and everybody that we're working? MR. : Consider that we're in the

midst of a, what? a, a national emergency. MR. MR. : : I understand that. I don't believe there's

anybody we can actually stop from going-MR. : The supervisor's talking to

the supervisor right now asking. MR. MR. : : Okay; thank you. --but we strongly suggest no

one gets airborne right now. MR. know .
MR. MR. Okay .

:

Okay; that's what I wanted to

I'm just making sure before

I -MR. MR. MR .

Right. - - s l a m the door. Now [inaudible] is, you know,

national

security

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Okay . All right? All right. Uh-huh.

MR. MR.

Boston Tower.

Tower, this is the Command

Center East - MR. MR. : Yeah? --supervisor. Had a report

from the New England region, that at Logan you had another departure that was being attempted to be hijacked off the ground. tell me about that? MR. that. : I don't have anything on Is there anything you can

I can--I'll check with Massport and give you

a call back.
MR.

Boston Center's on. : Dan, I was just checking with

MR. the tower.

We had a, an unconfirmed report from

the region that there was another plane at Logan trying to be hijacked off the ground, and wanted to

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see i f - - w h a t was going on with that. doesn't have anything MR. taken additional : on that. Massport The tower

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just told me they've they've closing

security measures,

down gates and so forth-MR. MR. : : Good. - - b u t they haven't told me

about an additional aircraft. MR. on, to that effect. MR. region, from-MR. : Did Mike Griffin [ph] tell : Okay; that came from the : No, I have not heard anything

you that 175, it d i d - MR. MR. : : Yeah. --depart Boston and we did We did not. It

not receive any information here. was probably MR.

in New York Center's airspace-: Normal, normal ATC?

MR.
MR

:

Yes.
Okay; all right. Thanks,

Dan .

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All right Bye - bye.

MR. MR. Center.

: :

Kennedy Tower. Kennedy. Jim at the Command

How you doing? MR. : Not so good. We're

[inaudible] tower. MR. MR. now. : : Understand. You-closing right

Kennedy Tower's

I gotta hang up. MR. : [inaudible] Kennedy. I

need - MS . MR .

[inaudible].

Hello?

- - a phone number for British

Ai rways.
MR .

I don't have one handy.

I'm

sorry.
MS . MR .

[ inaudible] . Call the Communications

Center. for you.

I can't--! don't have the time to get it

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[inaudible] Wanda

I got t a go.
Wanda.

MR. MR.

: :

Command Center. I need to clarify one thing. stopped. Nothing's

I understand that we're ground allowed to get airborne. MR. MR. Everything? MR. : : :

However--

That's correct. Now does that include VFR?

Well, we can't, we can't make no one

'em, you know, not take off but we strongly leaves. MR. to everybody to know.
MR.

:

W e l l , we'll, we'll apply it That's all I needed

across the board.

Okay .

MR. MR.

: :

Andy. Andy, Pat at the Command 77. The TSD's showing

Center, reference American

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him tracking now. MR. Hold on a minute. MR. Did you give new radar on him? : No; not that I'm aware of. him at? the

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Where is it showing : Showing

him just across

Indy-Kansas boun--boundary and it shows h i m , actually radar tracking, not ghost MR. : tracking.

Hold on a minute. I think that's it's, it's

No, I don't believe so.

just a, a false target, even though showing it that way.

I don't believe that to be

true at this time. MR. MR. City and, and see. : : Okay. But you might call I don't know. Kansas

I mean, I, I

can't tell you a whole lot. MR. :

There's--

I understand. As you know there's so much

MR.
going on right now-

MR. MR .
But we will check.

I understand. --and we're trying — you know

MR.

All right.

Thanks.

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MR. MR. Command Center.

: :

Kansas City. Kansas City. This is Pat at

I need you to look on your--not on on an America I show

the TSD--I need a radar information

77 to see if you guys are tracking him.

him, according to the TSD, it just crossed the Indy-Kansas boundary, going to Los Angeles. [Simultaneous conversation. conversation ongoing.]
MR. : [inaudible] verify

Another

[inaudible] want to stop all traffic on the ground. Do you want to stop all traffic that goes between us and Dallas-[ Simultaneous conversation.] MR. : Do you have any flight plan

information in your system to show him active, o r - MR. : Yeah, I see the target out

there but I don't think it's correlated. MR. : [inaudible] over here,

whatever, it's okay.

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MR . MR . MR . can' t stop - MR . MR .

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Yeah . Okay. [inaudible].

We, you know, we — VFR, we

Do you have a flight plan? Check and see if you have a

primary running with that target.
MR. MR. MR. : Okay. No. No primary?

:
:

MR.

:

[inaudible] from the area,

they're showing-- they've got track control at sec--at sector. [Another conversation MR. MR. crazy. : : in background.]

Command Center, Jim. Hey, Jim, Atlanta is going

Listen, I got a question-MR. : I've got somebody going to

find out how long they've been in that status. MR. taking off. MR. : No, they're talking about, : [inaudible] stop VFR guys

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they want to know if they can work VFR traffic

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patterns, in other words, giving air traffic services — like Vero Beach tower, for example just called and wants to know if they can work pattern, VFR all ground MR. [ inaudible] . MR. MR. MR. : : : Okay. Thanks. "touch and go," whatever. a traffic

Or are they

stopped? : Yes; they can work a traffic

All right. Kansas City has not talked to [?] control. Apparently

the aircraft or track Indianapolis Center

lost them part way through

their facility, so all we have is the data block. We don't have a target. MR. MR. MR. MR. : : : : No primary target? No primary target. Okay; thank you. Bye [inaudible].

MR.

:

Bye.

MR.

[inaudible] I'll refer that

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Hold on a sec. MR. : [inaudible] international

flights, I believe I, I--hold on a second. MR. on the ground. MR. had, Jim.
MR. : And--

:

Yeah; we're holding

everybody

:

Okay.

I think that's all we

MR. more . MR. :

John, hold on.

I got one

VFR aircraft.

We're getting

calls from everybody.

We're getting of course a

lotta cancellations, people want to proceed VFR. Are we gonna keep them on the ground? MR. : Yeah. I believe I told you a

little while ago that you could work the patterns and all. MR. MR. Hold everyone MR. : Yeah-No. We've canceled that. No exceptions.

on the ground. :

That's military also; is that

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correct ? MR. MR. That's correct All right.

MR. MR.

[ inaudible] . Command : Center This is

MR.

Hi, Command Center.

Charles from Mass Mutual.

I called a few seconds

ago, I think I talked to Susan but I could have that wrong. I have an aircraft that's sitting in,

an S-76 that's sitting in Boston with our chairman. We had a--our headquarters in the World Trade Center for Oppenheimer, and I called and they gave us permission to fly the chairman back to our headquarters in Springfield, Massachusetts, from Boston Logan, so that we could activate our disaster recovery program, and now they're that they're not able to go. It's an S-76 w i t h - MR. : I will not authorize any I cannot saying

departures form Boston at this time.

believe that you can't that center—I mean, what if

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It's a private aircraft. MR. not matter. at this t ime.
MR.

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It doesn't matter; it does

We will not allow anyone to take off

:

There's nothing

that I can

do?
MR.

:

No, sir.

MR.

:

So they gave us permission

and now, now it's being rescinded; is that the deal?

MR. MR. MR . MR.

That's correct. All right. Uh-huh. Thank you

Bye .

MR.
MR. Andy. :

Command Center. Hey, Command Center, this is

We have a report from a state police 08010,

helicopter of a air carrier down at the York

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It, it- - I'm sorry. Down in

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area at the Ashland, Kentucky,

They believe

it may be that America 77; don't know for sure. MR. : Okay. American 77 is down at

York, Ashland County? MR. conf irmed-MR . MR . MR . MR . : :
:

:

We, we don't know; it's not

No. Okay.
Okay.

I understand that.

:

It's at the York, 080 at 10,

which happens to be a bleep near the last location he was on radar.
MR . MR . MR . MR . MR . MR . What's the identify for York? YRK . YRK .

Yes, sir. Okay; very good. You bet. Thank you.

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MR

Indy Center.

This is John

Thomas. MR. [ph]. : John, this is Pat Somersall on Northwest 1888, if

I think information

you guys are still tracking him and where he is. MR. MR. : : Who's calling now? This is Pat Somersall from

the National Command Center, Eastern Region. MR. MR. MR. frequency. MR . MR . MR . MR . : : : : Okay. Appears to be normal. Okay. He is destined right now to : : : Okay. Yeah. He came back over on our Pat?

Indianapolis, landing at Indianapolis. MR. MR. MR. : : Very good; thank you. Okay? Bye.

:

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Thank you.

Bye.

MR. MR.

Command Center. Command Center. Miami.

We're hearing 5:00 o'clock is when this stand-down's gonna be over, but is that a truism or is that just a guess? MR.
MR. MR .

:

I do not know. Okay-As far as I'm concerned it's

USA.
MR.

I know that but I mean as far

as the nationwide-MR. : I don't know who may have I don't know how t h e y - Yeah. --could have come up with

picked 5:00 o'clock. MR. :

MR .
that numbe r.

MR. CNN, so-MR. MR .

Well, somebody heard it on

Well, that' s- Yeah .

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We don't report to them Okay. Uh-huh. Bye - bye. Thank you.

MR .

Command Center. : I need you on the line only.

MR.

Can you verify it's just you and me. MR. MR. : : Just you and me. Okay. Air Force One has

changed its destination.

It's destination's

unknown at this time but he is making a turn to Cresfield [?] and we'll give you more information

when that becomes available.
MR.

:

What's the identifier for

Cres field. MR.

:

CEW.

And he's apt to

p i - - p i c k up a fighter escort. MR. MR. MR. MR. : : : : Okay. All right. Thank you. All right.

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[Start

tape 3.]

MR.

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This is a continuation of the

9/11 tapes, position 25 Bravo, tape three, time now 1400 Zulu. MR . MR. Andy. : Command Center. Hey, Command Center, this is

We have a report from a state police

helicopter of a air carrier down at the York 080 at 10, right near Ashland-MR.
MR.

:
:

It, it, it - --Kentucky.

MR. where ?
MR .

:

I'm sorry.

Down in New York

No.

In t h e - - I said York area

at the Ashland, Kentucky, city, they believe it may be that America 77; don't know for sure. MR. : Okay. American 77 is down at

York, Ashland County? MR. conf irmed-MR .

:

We don't know; it's not

No.

I understand that.

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at 10, which happens to be a bleep near the last location he was on radar.
MR. What's the identifier for

York?
MR. MR . MR. MR. MR. MR . YRK . YRK .

Ye s, sir. Okay; very good; thank you You bet.
All right.

MR .

Indy Center.

This is John

Thomas. MR. : John, this is Pat Somersall.

I need information on Northwest 1888, if you guys are still tracking him and where he is. MR. MR. : : Who's calling now? This is Pat Somersall from

the National Command Center, Eastern Region.

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Okay . Pat? Yeah . He came back over on our

: : : : landing : :

Okay. Appears Okay. He is destined right now to at Indianapolis. Very good; thank you. Okay. to be normal.

Indianapolis; MR. MR.

MR.
MR.

:
:

Bye.
Thank you. Bye.

MR . MR .

Command Center. Command Center. 5:00 o'clock Miami.

We're hearing

is when this

stand-down's gonna be over; but is that a truism or is that just MR. a guess? : I do not Okay. know. all I need.

MR.

That's

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As far as I'm concerned it's

USA.
MR. : Yeah. W e l l , I know that but

I mean as far as the nationwide-MR .

I don't know w h o - : : Yeah. --may a picked 5:00 o'clock

MS. MR.

I don't know how they-MR.
MR

: :

Yeah. —could come up with that

number.

MR
CNN, so-MR. MR . MR . MR. MR. MS .

:

Well, somebody

heard it on

: : : : :

Well, t h a t ' s - Yeah. We don't report to them.

Okay; thank you. Uh-huh.

:

Bye - bye.

MR.

:

Command Center.

Command

Center.

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[ inaudible] . I need you on the line only. Command Center. : I need you on the line only.

MR.

Can you verify it's just you and me. MR. MR. : : Just you and me. Okay. Air Force One has

changed his destination.

His destination's unknown

at this time but he is making a turn to Cresfield and we'll give you more information when that becomes available. MR. Cresfield?
MR .
CEW, and he's apt the pick up What's the identifier for

a fighter escort
MR . MR . MR . MR.

Okay . All right. Thanks. All right .

MR. MR.

Andy . Hey, Andy, Command Center.

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Are they what now? Is Cincinnati taking any

'em; yeah. : Oh, they are.

[unintelligible] or anything, huh?
MR. MR

:

No.

Okay; very good.

All right

Thank you.

MR

All right.

MR. MR.

: :

Andy. Hey, Andy, Command Center.

Any confirmation yet on America 77, by any chance? MR. : W e - - n o , we don't know

anything on that one. MR. : But that, that guy was 08010 mile fix?

[inaudible] going down by the York MR. MR. : :

Possibly; yes. Possibly.

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I don't think w e - - h o l d on a

minut e. [ Pause . ] MR. : Okay. We're--we have a state

police helicopter going to that area to check out and see if that's--who it is.

MR . MR .
before we know

Okay . So it'll be a little while

MR .
very much.

All righty.

Okay.

Thank you

MR . MR .

Sure . All right.

MR .
MS. :

Command Center. Command Center, this is Wash. airplane.
do?

We do have one missing
MR.

:

Oh, you

MS.
MR. MS. landing National.

:
: :

Yes.
Okay. Medex 411. Give me a call sign. [?] 411, supposed to be

MEP

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:
:

Mike Echo Papa.
Medex 411.

MS. supervisor

:

Yeah.

Cleveland Center, my for him right

reporting

[?] he's looking

now but he's missing. MR. MS. MR. MS. : : : : Where was he out of?

He was out of Milwaukee. MKE. Where was he going?

Land at National and he's,

he's not arrived yet. MR. MS MR of all? MS. : Yes, I believe he was : What time did he take off? Let's see. Was he ever airborne, first

airborne because we had a ticket on him, so he must a been coming our way. You know, he might a

diverted somewhere; but I don't know.

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but I'll j u s t - - I ' l l let these folks here know he could have been aborted.

MS .
Cleveland a call
MR.

You might want to give

What was his type, by the

way?
MS . MR . MS . MR. MS . Nat iona1 . MR . MS . MR. MS . MR .

MD-80.
M- -

MD-80. MD-80 . Yeah, outta Milwaukee for

Okay . Thanks. All righty. Thank you.

Bye . Bye .

MR . MR. Racus [? ] ?

Command Center. Hey, Jim.

Jim. Jim

Who's this?

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Yeah . Hey, Jim. Joe Foreman [ph],

: : :

A me s s, huh? What's up? Hey, I just want to know

whether they needed anybody to come in early; want me to come in early or do you guys need any help? Or how's it going? MR. : They, they would not turn you There's tons a

back if you did come in early. people running around here.

I know there's a bunch We got to watch

a people that are kind a shook up. the second one. MR . MR. : You have what?

We got to watch the second

impact of the World Trade Center there. MR. MR. MR. : Yeah; right; right. And-I'm just wondering. You

:
:

know, I [inaudible] if you need a hand, that's

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already have enough

I mean, I'm sure

busy but with—you know, everything's pretty much stopped right MR. now? : It's entirely up to you. I

don't see where there's a problem with that, one way or the other. MR. MR. MR. MR. : : : : I think [inaudible]. I gotta go Joe.

Okay; okay. Okay; bye.

Talk to you later.

MR. MR. Center.

: :

[ inaudible] . Hey, Nick [?], Command

Hey, we're missing a Medex 411 out of

MiIwaukee.

MR.
back to you
MR . MR. back to you MR .

I'll

do a SPUR

[?].

I'll

get

I'm sorry; say again. I'll do a SPUR. I'll get

Great.

Thanks

very much.

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MR. MR.

: :

Chicago. Hey, Chicago, Command Center

We're missing one outta Milwaukee to National, Medex 411. MR. now . MR. MR. : We're checking on him right

: :

Okay; great. All right.

Thank you Bye.

MR . MR . MR . MR . MR .

: : : : : :

[inaudible] Craig. Who's this? Craig. Hey, Craig. Yeah. Hey, how you doing? This is

MR.

Denzel [ph] at the Command Center. MR. MR. : : Hey, how's it going? Good. Hey, listen, your

Flight 411 out of Milwaukee to D.C. MR. : Yeah.

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Looks like I have him over Appleton

going into Columbus. MR. what? MR. : Out over Appleton, Ohio, It looks l i k e - He diverted to Columbus? Yeah; looks like he's at : You said what? You had him

going into Columbus. MR. MR. : :

about three thousand--

MR .
Hang on.

:

Okay, hang on one second.

MR .
[ Pause . ]

:

Okay.

MR . MR . MR .
We appreciate it.

: : :

Hey, Craig? Yeah. Great. Okay, great; thanks

We found him. : : Oh, not a problem. All right. Thanks. Okay. Bye.

MR . MR . MR .

:

Bye .

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MR.

:

[inaudible] traffic that

needs to get up there, I need to-MR.
MR. MR. barely hear you, MR. MR.

:
: : sir. : :

Is the supervisor on yet?
Supervisor-Okay, I'm showing--! can

Okay. All right. This is at

[inaudible] the operations manager at the center. We've gone to APC alert. We're getting word from

our regional office, from FAA security, that there's supposed to be an untracked tar--or an untracked aircraft headed for Boston Center. So we

are kicking out everybody that doesn't need to be here, we're going down to bare staffing and potential for ATC zero. MR. Center-MR. : Well, we're not evacu--we are : I hear evacuating Boston

removing everybody that we can, we're gonna go down to bare bones, we're not--I'm waiting for more

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something more confirmed, I w i l l , I will kick everyone out. MR. that - - assuming you : Okay. The people you

get an, an all clear, are

gonna have recall on these people? MR. : Yes; we will. We will take

care a managing that part. know what our status MR.
MR.

I'm just letting you

is, sir. All right.
Bye.

:
:

Thank you.

MR. MR.

Command Center. Command Center.

This is Rob Command

Center. MR. got Pennsylvania : Command Center. Philly. I

state police and the New and they need

Jersey

state police doing missions

confirmation that they can fly and get refueled and go back out and do whatever MR. Philly. : it is they're doing.

Hang on a second here,

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Okay .

[ Pause . ]
MR . MR.

Hey,

Phil?

Yes .
: Just hang on. We're kind a

MR.

busy here so everyone's kind of in a, you know-MR. MR. : : Yeah. I know. So

--emergency mode here.

just bear with us; right? MR. MR. [ Pause.] MR.
MR. MR.

: :

Right. All right.

:
:

Hey, Phil?
Yes.

I'm told that law enforcement

is allowed to fly

MR .

Okay. Okay.

Thank you. Thanks.

MR.
MR .

Bye .

[Start Tape 4.] MR. : This is a continuation of the

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MS .

Command Center. : Hi, Wanda.

Wanda.

MR. Boston Center.

It's Steve at

I just wanted to let you know--I

don't know if you knew or not--but Boston Center just took out ATC zero. MS. MR.

:
:

Yes. Okay; thank you.

MR .
MR .

: :

Washington. Washington. Jim at the

Command

Center

November

4 is approved

to land

Ri chmond. MR . MR. MR . : : : [inaudible]. All right? Thank you. Bye. Okay.

MR. Conn [ph]. MR. Center.

:

American Dispatch.

Michael

Can I help you? : Mike, Tim at the Command Do you know the

A quick question.

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still trying to ascertain his whereabouts. MR. MR. : : Okay; thanks. We suspect he may be in

trouble but we cannot confirm that. MR . MR . MR .
MR . : Okay; thank you.

: : :

And hey, Jim? Yeah. Is there still a telecon

scheduled for 1515Z?
MR. MR . MR MR : Let me check. No.

There is not? None . Understood. All right

Thank you.

MR. the guy.

:

And coincidentally, you're

Can you get, can you get somebody that [inaudible] to call

actually knows what's going on

the mission desk here at Jacksonville. MR. : ZJX [?] missions.

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Yeah . They know your number, I

Yeah . Okay . Thanks. All right. Bye.

Bye .

MR. Bill Ruzan [ph].

:

Leesburg Flight Service.

Good morning. : Hey, Bill, good morning. Center. Okay.

MR. Denzel

[ph], Command MR. MR. : :

Yes, sir? All VFR traffic would like to

broadcast at 1215 or 2430. MR. we'll do it again. MR. flights, nothing MR. : All helicopter and all VFR : It's already been done but

is allowed :

in the B.C. Metro area.

Well, we've already told them

over our whole flight plan area; but we'll do it

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MR. : Hold on one sec.

Okay. MR. MR. MR. MR.

All right? : : : Okay. Thank you very much. [ inaudible] . Bye - bye.

:

MR. MR.

: :

Command Center. Yeah. I need to talk to CARF

MR. MR. F-16.

: :

You need to talk to CARF? Yeah. I got a lost air--lost

He can't talk to his, his command post. MR. : Where's the last time you

seen him?

Do you know? : Right now, he is south a

MR. Battle Creek.
MR

South a Battle Creek.

All

right.
MR MR

Kalamazoo, Michigan. What's the identifier for

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Battle Creek?
MR.
MR . BTL . BTO? BTL .

MR.

MR. Battle Creek.

:

BTL.

I'm sorry.

South of

Okay; hang on a second.

[Phone ringing.] MR. MR. Center. : : Andy [inaudible].

Andy, Jim at the Command

It was passed to us that November 4 is Do you have one or

requesting a fighter escort.
are we - MR . MR . MR . You are.

Thank you Okay .

MR. MR. lost F-16. CARF .
MR MR.

: :

Washington. Hey, Wash, in reference that I want to talk to

Someone called.

Okay.

What do you--go ahead. [inaudible] on him?

You got a

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I've gbt the infos

I'll get him to. s.e'nd me MR. : Okay-

[inaudible] .

I've got another

number you can call ithe CARE people. MR.
MR.

: 1 Okay A
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{ --

MR.

: \ \don't kn'0w--well, the area

code, it's around here, it is, but I don't know their number.
MR.

1

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Okay.

Well, I ',11 give you

the number.
MR. MR. MR. MR. MR. MR.

All

r\ight .

Go a h e a d . 1 «rEI

C~H Okay. All right. Thanks. Thanks.

MR. MS .

Command Center. Jim. Hey, J-jCommand Center, this is » -SftMfai?] flight tha-t.

Jacksonville

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He took off on

his own and would not—without any clearance, as we were trying to get a clearance for him, that he was allowed to go. MR. that?
MS .

He's heading to Andrews. : Okay. What was the number on

It's

50049.

Had to call CARF

earlier on it.

I now know that it's a G3.

He's

off of Navy Jax a n d - MR. that Navy Jax?
MS .

:

What's the identifier for

NIP To Andrews. And his code is 2673 and he's

MR.
MS .

heading towards Andrews. MR. : Okay. SAM. They use an M in

front of it; is that correct? MS. MR. that. Okay. MS.

:
:

S.

S.

I thought they changed Thank you. He told us

All right. :

Hold on a second.

on the phone•he was going to Barksdale but the

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MR .

That doesn't matter.

He — they're gonna go where they want to. MS. MR. : : Okay. All right. Thank you

MR.

Command Center. : We just got word that there

MR.

is a military aircraft at approximately 23,000 feet over top a Dulles. MR. : A military aircraft. I guess

you don't know what type it is, huh? MR. : Heck no. I don't know. I

can't read 'em at 23,000.
MR. : ACSD--

MR. MR.

: :

My eyes are good b u t - And Washington Center,

Washington Center doesn't know what type it is or anything over there? MR. talked to them. : I don't know. I haven't

They just--we just got a call down

from the tower that said—

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: No; he's just orbiting.

Is he circling or just

going across?
MR.

MR. MR.
MR.

: :
:

He just what?

Orbited?

Yeah; that's what he said.
All righty.

MR.

:

I mean, I don't see him.

If

he's up there, he's in the middle of the radar cone [?], so-MR. : Okay. And it's a m i l - - y o u ' r e aircraft?

definitely sure it's a military MR. told. :

I'm must repeating what I was

That's what they said. MR. : Okay. I'm just trying to get

information here. MR . MR . MR . killed right now MR . MR . MR . Yes; we are. Okay .
All right. Bye.

Yeah.

I know.

Okay; thanks. You guys are probably getting

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MR. MR. Command Center. Anyone

: :

Washington

Tower. Tower.

Hey, Washington

A little information for you.

that's cleared to fly outta your place such

as maybe a helicopter, law enforcement — MR. MR. code. Okay. : : Right. - - t h e y must be on a discrete

One guy came off a minute ago and the shoot

military scrambled on him, so we don't wanna him down. So anyone comes off, gotta have a That's —

discrete code coming off. MR. :

We've got helicopters

working

the situation here, but other than that, we don't have anything going. We do have a couple a I'll tell

government planes getting fixed to go. you that. MR. :

W e l l , they need to call, get

some kind a clearance because right now we've got N4 trying to get in. closer than Richmond. We, we won't let him go

MR.

Yeah.

We're working

it all.

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: All right.

Thank you.

MR.

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