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COOPER: "Crime & Punishment" in Missouri tonight. A new clue in the search for Lisa Irwin. Surveillance video taken the night she disappeared. The grainy video from a gas station less than two miles from the Irwin home shows someone walking along the wooded road shortly before the baby's parents reported her missing. An unusual sight, according to the station manager there.

Now, it's been weeks since Lisa vanished, seemingly without a trace, and so far, neither Lisa's parents nor the Kansas City police are any closer to explaining how the little girl disappeared or where she is today. Sandra Endo reports.

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SANDRA ENDO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Exactly three weeks ago on October 4, then-10-month-old Lisa Irwin disappeared. Her father, Jeremy Irwin, says he came home from his night shift at 4 a.m. in the morning to a parent's worst nightmare.

JEREMY IRWIN, FATHER OF MISSING BABY: The front door was unlocked. Most of the lights were on in the house. And the window was -- in the front was open. And that's when we realized she was gone.

ENDO: Less than 12 hours earlier on October 3 at around 5 p.m., this surveillance video shows mother Deborah Bradley grocery shopping

without the baby, buying a box of wine and other items. She told investigators she went home, put the baby to sleep, and went out on the stoop to drink the wine with a neighbor. She admitted this on "The Today Show."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you drinking that night?

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF MISSING BABY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much?

BRADLEY: Enough to be drunk.

ENDO (on camera): She first told investigators the last time she saw Lisa was at 10:30 October 3. Then a week later she changed her story and said she put the baby to sleep at 6:30 before drinking. Bradley says when she went to sleep, the lights were off in her home. The next thing she knew, the baby was missing.

BRADLEY: Please, please, please call the TIPS hotline if you know where she's at. Then if you have her, please just take her somewhere safe. No questions asked.

CYNDY SHORT, LAWYER FOR MISSING GIRL'S PARENTS: She's done the best she can to do all she can to tell the investigators what they need to know. And as a result of that, it's portrayed her in a light that isn't as favorable.

ENDO: Is she being open and honest with them now? Because some

reports we're hearing from the other side is that she isn't cooperating.

SHORT: This family has cooperated in every way they could possibly cooperate.

ENDO (voice-over): Here's an inside look at the Irwin home obtained by ABC News. It appears to show baby Lisa's crib and the box of wine Bradley drank that night.

It also shows the bedroom where, on October 17, two weeks after Lisa went missing, police say a cadaver dog made a positive hit for a dead body on the floor near the bed. Two days after that, police searched the home and took evidence, including a comforter, some clothes, a toy and rolls of tape, but no evidence of the baby.

CAPTAIN STEVE YOUNG, KANSAS CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT: It really just takes the one right nugget of information to kick this thing off in high gear, and that's what we're still looking and waiting for.

ENDO: Police say three people have come forward, claiming they saw a man walking in the dark on the street, carrying a baby in a diaper the night of Irwin's disappearance.

Authorities are looking at this surveillance video from a gas station less than a mile and a half from the Irwin home. It shows an unidentified person walking along the street at around 2:15 the morning Lisa vanished from her crib. Officials say there are still no suspects, and they're not ruling out anything in the search.

Sandra Endo, CNN, Kansas City, Missouri.

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COOPER: Bill Stanton is a private investigator working with the Irwin legal team. He joins us now.

So you have this new surveillance tape of a person walking nearby a gas station the night that Baby Lisa went missing. Does it really help at all?

BILL STANTON, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: It's interesting, but the answer is no.

The interesting part is it works with the timeline of everything that's laid out. It also coincides with the three witnesses that saw someone that they believe was carrying a baby, an infant in their arms at that time. I find that highly unusual and interesting that three separate witnesses all corroborate the same thing. And if you look at the linear timeline and trail leading from the house to the gas station, it kind of makes you tilt your head and think about it.

COOPER: What about this positive hit for the scent of a body that was found by a cadaver dog in the family's home? You say that doesn't fit with the timeline, why?

STANTON: Well, I'm never going to speak against the KCPD or the FBI. But I -- you know, there are false positives. And the reason why I say it doesn't fall in with the timeline, is because how long, if -- one would have to believe that Deborah murdered or by accident killed her child. And that would have to be done right -- with the children right there, and there's no evidence that they saw anything or heard anything.

And how long was that child expired? You know, how long does the body have to be there for the dog to do a hit? Is it one second after a person dies? No. From my -- from my information, it takes a little longer than that. And that's why it doesn't fit in with the timeline as I see it.

Now maybe the KCPD knows something I don't, and you know, they're doing a fine job. But until I hear more, I still think the assailant, the perpetrator came from outside the home.

COOPER: You said they're doing a fine job. There has been some harsh criticism of the Kansas City Police Department by the family's lawyers. Do you find any fault with their investigation?

STANTON: No. I'll never say anything against them. They do -- let's face it, they do a thankless job. And I think they're heroes. I think the true bad guy -- we have to keep focus. The true bad guy is the person or persons that has done this to this child. And I do believe the child is out there alive. And that's why there's a $100,000 reward. And I want to keep focus that that baby is still out there. COOPER: Do you have any theories or beliefs on what may have occurred?

STANTON: I absolutely have theories, but Anderson, I do not want to interfere with the investigation. I feel all hands on deck, hands off that investigation and I don't want to muddy the waters. They have a tough enough job.

COOPER: All right. Fair enough on that. Bill Stanton, appreciate you being with us. Thanks.

STANTON: Thank you.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, where is baby Lisa? A frantic search for a missing 10-month-old beautiful baby girl. Her parents claim baby Lisa was kidnapped from her own bedroom.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, LISA`S MOTHER: We need her home. I can`t be without her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: As cops furiously search landfills and a nearby creek, where is baby Lisa?

And is Casey Anthony losing it? She shows up at her Zanny the nanny depo in full disguise. We`ll have exclusive details from inside the room, including what she was wearing and how it has a connection to the baseball playoffs?

Plus, the shockers keep coming in the Michael Jackson death trial. The jury hears Dr. Murray describe in harrowing detail the chaotic scene as

he finds Michael Jackson unresponsive.

DR. CONRAD MURRAY, ON TRIAL FOR MICHAEL JACKSON`S DEATH: I came back to his bedside, and he wasn`t breathing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Will the doctor be forced to take the stand to defend himself? We`re taking your calls.

ISSUES starts now.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a 10-month-old that isn`t where she belongs, and we`re trying to find that child.

JEREMY IRWIN, FATHER OF MISSING BABY: We just -- we just want her back.

BRADLEY: We just want our baby back. Please bring her home.

IRWIN: The front door was unlocked. Most of the lights were on in the house and the window in the front was open.

BRADLEY: She`s everything. She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The disappearance of infants is a very rare event in America. When an infant does go missing, in most of the cases, suspicion falls upon members of the family.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: A desperate race against time in Missouri to find an adorable missing 10-month-old girl. One week ago tonight was the last time anyone saw this precious baby, Lisa Irwin.

Good evening, everyone. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live from Los Angeles. We`re going to tell you about the Conrad MurrayMichael Jackson death trial in a moment. But first, this very important story, because there is a child out there. This beautiful baby, we need to find her. And what happened to her, it`s right out of a horror movie.

Baby Lisa`s parents say she was stolen right out of her crib after her mother, Deborah Bradley, went to bed last Monday night, and before her father got home from working the night shift as an electrician. The dad, Jeremy Irwin, says when he got back to their home in Kansas City at about 4 a.m. -- yes, we`re talking the dead of night but early Tuesday morning -- the front door, he saw, was unlocked. And he also was shocked to see the flights throughout the house were blazing, and there was a window open.

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BRADLEY: She`s everything. She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family and she`s -- she means everything to my boys and we -- we need her home. I can`t -- I can`t be without her.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now that is an obviously grieving, shocked, hysterical mother who`s crying. She hopes her child will be found alive, but then in a shocking twist, just a couple of days into the investigation, Kansas City cops accuse baby Lisa`s parents, the missing child`s parents, of being uncooperative.

So last Friday morning the parents went on the morning talk shows to defend themselves and tell their side of the story.

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BRADLEY: When I first -- they first questioned me, Wednesday, I couldn`t fill in gaps. It turned into, "You did it." And they put the picture down from the table and they said, "Look at your baby. And do what`s right for her. And just tell everybody where she is so she can come home."

And I kept saying, "I don`t know, I don`t know, I don`t know."

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hmm. That mother, Deborah Bradley, also said police told her she had failed a polygraph test. Listen to this.

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BRADLEY: They said that I failed, and I continued to say, "That`s not possible. Because I have -- I don`t know where she`s at. I did not do this."

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: But over this past weekend, everything changed. Kansas City police said they had resumed talking with baby Lisa`s parents. Check this out.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They live here. It`s their child who knows more, you know. So talk to them. Something may jog their memory. You never know. They may think of another person, whatever.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, all of that is great news. The most important question still remains: where is baby Lisa tonight?

Local cops and the FBI conducting extensive frantic searches. Still, no sign of 10-month-old Lisa. So what do you think happened in this case? We`re going to talk to a woman who knows this family well, but first, correspondent Ed Lavandera, live in Kansas City tonight.

Ed, what is going on with this investigation?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know really what`s interesting here and what`s overshadowed -- what has overshadowed is that the tension between the parents and the investigators here over the last couple of days. As far as we know, that appears to have been smoothed over, at least in terms of being face-to-face and investigators talking to parents.

But what we continue to see over the last several days has been rather interesting, Jane. The house that you see behind me, the green one, and it`s that window on the right edge of the home, that`s where -been the focus of investigators. We`ve seen them repeatedly coming out over the last few days, some investigators bringing out metal detectors, walking through the front lawn. Also checking out a little creek area behind the house, spending a lot of time there over the last few days.

And then yesterday afternoon, in plain sight of reporters and neighbors, we saw the officers come out here, the investigators come back out to the house, and recreate what it would have been like for someone to get in through that window. What we saw was rather interesting. Because you saw these investigators climbing through the window. At one point the window slammed down on one of them. They needed some help to get through. Obviously, they wanted to check out the plausibility of the story line, if it was even possible for someone to get in through the house like that. And it was possible. But also very tough.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`m looking at the window right now, Ed. This is no extraordinary window. And maybe the cop who tried to get through it is not as thin or as young or as agile as the person who broke in.

I want to go to captain Steve Young, Kansas City police captain.

Thank you for joining us sir. I know that, because you`re most interested in finding baby Lisa, far more than getting into a back and forth about the investigation, that you`re being relatively tight-lipped. But suffice it to say, are you now saying that now this family is cooperating again?

CAPTAIN STEVE YOUNG, KANSAS CITY POLICE (via phone): Yes, that`s correct. And you`re right. You know, we would really not look backwards. The important thing is that parents are involved in the investigation. and I`ve said it a bunch. Nobody knows more about what goes on and who`s been in that home than they do. So they`re -- they`re involved in this. The key is for them helping us find this child. That`s our No. 1 priority.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`m watching an officer try to scale that little brick wall and get in through the window. And yes, it`s tough to get in through a window. Mark Eiglarsh, I don`t know if you can see this demonstration, but it`s certainly possible. I mean, we have seen so many children tragically kidnapped from their beds: Jessica Lunsford, Elizabeth Smart. The list goes on and on. It happens. Sickos do get in. And they do climb in through windows like that.

It`s not like there`s a moat around this house. It`s not like this window is very high up. Of course, yes, it`s easier if somebody gives you a lift. But there`s also -- I see there like a little pipe. It would have been very easy for someone to step on that pipe and hop in.

What do you make of this demonstration that authorities did to see how easy it is to get into this house? What does that tell you, Mark?

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, they`re considering the parents, I`m sure, persons of interest. Which statistically they have to do. If you look at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, over the past couple of decades, they`ve handled approximately 278 missing children`s cases. Only 13 involved abductions by burglars, as these parents are alleging. So statistically, it`s unlikely what they`re saying. It doesn`t mean it didn`t happen. So they have to explore the plausibility.

Now, I know that 300-pound overweight folks are usually not signing up to be home burglars. So typically, you have someone who is able to go into a window and remove a baby. And they just want to make sure that it`s plausible. I think they`re doing a good job so far, especially being tight-lipped on the investigation. That`s what they need to do.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, they`ve also, according to the mother herself, given her a polygraph. Now, this is what a family spokesperson had to say about baby Lisa`s mother, Deborah, being questioned and given a polygraph test by law enforcement. Check it out.

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MICHAEL LERETTE, DEBORAH BRADLEY`S COUSIN: The police are doing their job, you know. If you don`t have any other suspects, the one person that was there that night, you know, the last person to see her, you know, who else do you point your finger at?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Very quickly, Captain Steven Young, will you confirm or deny that the mother was given a polygraph and failed?

YOUNG: Well, she of course, is free to talk about whatever she would like. But we`re not going to open the door to talking about the details of the investigation. So yes, I`m not going to get into that part of it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Captain.

Now, Kathy Ostander, you know baby Lisa`s father well. You join us by phone. You are related by marriage to baby Lisa`s father`s relative. What can you tell us about this family? They apparently have no criminal history. Are they -- are they good people?

KATHY OSTANDER, RELATIVE (via phone): They are good people. And they love their children. They did not do this. I don`t care what anybody says. These two people -- I was Jeremy Irwin`s -- his grandfather was married to me until he passed away. And these are good people. Good people. We need to pray for these people and pray that this baby is found quick.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: A cousin who is acting as a spokesperson for the Irwin family talked about this breakdown that -- where the police accused the family of being uncooperative and then later backed away from it. Listen to what he had to say about this.

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LERETTE: There`s just a lot of miscommunication, to be honest. That they were being interviewed again downtown. And after several hours, Jeremy -- Deborah was already gone, and Jeremy said, "I had enough for today." And as soon as they left was when they announced there was an impromptu press conference. They said, you know, were -- you

know, the parents aren`t -- or the family is not cooperating any more. And that was -- that was that.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: So Kathy Ostander, again, you know this family. Why do you think the cops, aside from the fact that the mother is the last person to see, but they seem to be so intent on checking to see whether this story is realistic, that -- whether somebody can get in a window. It`s a ground-floor window. Of course somebody can get in, Kathy.

OSTANDER: Sure. Sure. Anybody could get in. And that`s a beautiful baby. And you know, there -- like you said, there are six people all over the world. And these two people did not do this.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Does this father have any enemies, this Jeremy Irwin? He`s an electrician working the overnight shift. Did he have any lawsuits, any fights? Anything like that, Kathy, that you know of?

OSTANDER: Not that I know of, no. And...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: How is their marriage? How is their marriage? Are they in good shape?

OSTANDER: You mean Jeremy?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, Jeremy and Deborah.

OSTANDER: They`re not married.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`m sorry. They want to get married.

OSTANDER: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Their relationship as live-in parents of an infant.

OSTANDER: Well, from what I gather, quite well. They`ve got two very happy little boys at home, waiting for this baby to come home. And as far as I`ve heard, they get along beautifully.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well imagine, the horror of this woman not only having her baby stolen from her, but then she`s the subject of suspicion, even though she`s not being called a suspect. But this whole idea that they weren`t cooperating. They were interviewed for hours and became exhausted, and they said they wanted a break.

But we understand that the cops are doing what they have to do. They have to first eliminate the people who are closest to the child, the people who last saw the child. The mother is the last person to see the child. So she`s got to be put through this additional hell of being grilled and polygraphed and questions six ways to Sunday because they want to eliminate her so they can go after other people like sex offenders in the area.

I`m going to discuss this later on Nancy Grace. I`m filling in for Nancy. And we`re going to get in-depth into the search for baby Lisa, in just a little while, so stay right there.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a 10-month-old that isn`t where she belongs, and we`re trying to find that child.

JEREMY IRWIN, FATHER OF MISSING GIRL: We just want...

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF MISSING GIRL: We just want our baby back. Please. Bring her home.

IRWIN: Came home from work. The front door was unlocked. Most of the lights were on in the house. And the window was -- in the front was open.

BRADLEY: She`s everything. She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The disappearance of infants is a very rare event in America. When an infant does go missing, in most of the cases, suspicion falls upon members of the family.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`ll have more on the Michael Jackson death trial in a moment, but the other major story we`re following tonight on ISSUES is the desperate search for baby Lisa Irwin in Kansas City, Missouri. Where is this beautiful child?

The precious little girl with the beautiful smile vanished one week ago today. She turns 11 months old. This is so sad. Police say Lisa`s mom, Deborah Bradley, put her into a crib last Monday night at 10:30 and the child hasn`t been seen since. Here`s how her dad, Jeremy Irwin, described what he saw when he returned home at about 4:30 in the morning from his overnight job. Check this out.

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IRWIN: When I came home from work, the front door was unlocked. Most of the lights were on in the house, and the window was -- in the front was open. Obviously, all very unusual. And then I started checking on the kids. Checked on the boys first, and then we checked on here, and that`s when we realized that she was gone.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mike Brooks, today authorities searched a well under the deck of an abandoned house a couple of blocks from baby Lisa`s home. It`s about, well, 3 feet wide, and we have an aerial view of it, but they didn`t find anything. What do you know on this case, Mike?

MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: No, apparently -- it wasn`t received -- they say, well, it came from a tip -- no, it didn`t come from a tip. It came from law enforcement just canvassing the

area, Jane. And it`s about five blocks from where little Lisa disappeared. And it`s under a deck of a vacant house. The house has been vacant for about four years.

They lowered a firefighter down this cistern or well, and they thought they felt something under the water. They brought in some equipment. They drained that well and went back down, because it was very, very dark. Found absolutely nothing. Turned up nothing at all. So, you know, that was another dead end.

But, you know, there had been talk, too, Jane, that the mother was -Deborah Bradley, was about to be arrested and charged. But law enforcement says, "No, no, no, no. That is not happening." That they have no suspects right now, and you`re still following up on leads and tips. But, you know, no suspects; no, you know -- I don`t like the term "person of interest."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mike, I have to ask you, why -- why would the family make a point of saying that the mother is going to be arrested, in their opinion, when they feel that she`s innocent. Why would they go out of their way to do that?

BROOKS: Well, they`re thinking that law enforcement is just focusing on the family and aren`t looking for any other suspects. But law enforcement says, no, that`s not true. Because as you know, Jane, we -- we talk about it all the time. In an investigation like this, where do you start? You start with the people closest to the missing person or the victim. You start with the family. Who, what, when, where, why, and how?

It`s very unusual circumstances, especially in this case. But they`re still working on it. They`re hoping to have some kind of a suspect, some leads, but they`re still following tips. They`re still following leads

that are coming in from the public, and they need the public`s help.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Mike. And we understand Nancy Grace has a breaking angle on this. It involves a mystery...

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The infant`s mother is seen on this video buying baby supplies from the local market on the very day her child went missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You see Deborah Bradley, Lisa`s mother, and another man walk into this grocery store, which is about a mile or so away from this neighborhood here. And they walked away, everything looks very calm.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s the sweetest little girl I`ve ever seen. She`s always smiling. When you go up to her and you tickle her, she starts laughing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s everything. She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family. She means everything to my boys, and we -- we need her home.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where is Baby Lisa? Police in Kansas City, Missouri, say the gorgeous 11-month-old baby girl -- what a beautiful child -vanished without a trace last week, apparently snatched from her crib. Baby Lisa`s mom, Deborah Bradley, told cops she put her daughter to bed at about 10:30 on Monday night, October 3rd.

When the baby`s dad came home from work the following morning -and he worked the overnight shift, so he comes back at about 4:00 in the morning -- he tells police the door is open, the lights are on, the front window is open. And he sees that the door to the baby`s room is open. He goes in there and investigates, the baby is gone.

Police have -- well they say they have no leads, they have no suspects, but they were very curious about this particular development. Hours before Baby Lisa disappeared, her mom, Deborah Bradley was seen at a grocery store with a man who is not Jeremy Irwin, Lisa`s father. This is surveillance video from the store. The mom, there she is, buying a box of wine with a male friend. She is also picking up baby wipes and baby food with this male friend. The video shows them right here checking out at the checkout counter, chatting with the store clerk.

So, this extraordinary video shows what the mother was doing just a few hours before the child was, according to her, last seen.

Straight out to Ed Lavandera who has obtained exclusively this video and also spoke exclusively with the clerk at the store -- quite a scoop, Ed. Congratulations on that. What have you learned?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, it was really interesting because this kind of gives us a sense of what Deborah Bradley, the mother of Baby Lisa was doing about five and a half hours before she had told police that she put the baby to sleep last Monday night. She comes into the store with that friend, and the clerk tells us

that that is someone that she had seen Deborah and her husband hang out with before. She had seen the three of them together, kind of mixing and matching. Definitely, we`ve gotten the sense that that is someone they know.

They spent about six minutes in the store. Everything seemed jovial at times. Actually if you take a close look at that video, as she`s walking out Deborah seems to have a big smile on her face. The clerk that we talked to said that they`ve had long conversations over -- she has worked there a couple years -- has seen them in and out of the store many times, sometimes with the kid, sometimes without.

And the one thing that struck me is that she had mentioned, she mentioned -- the clerk told me that over the years, especially during the time that Deborah was pregnant with Baby Lisa that both parents had talked about how happy they were to finally being able to raise a daughter and how much they were looking forward to that. This clerk had seen Baby Lisa on a number of occasions and talked about how beautiful she was and how friendly and how happy and jovial the baby was.

So it was interesting insight to some of the dynamics. She did tell us also Jane that she was interviewed by FBI agents on Saturday for about 30 minutes. And the questions that they asked her really focused heavily on Deborah. What was her state of mind? Did she seem nervous? Did she seem panicked? Did she ever mention anything that someone was angry at her? That sort of thing; those were the kind of questions that she told us that FBI agents were very much interesting in hearing the responses to -- her responses to.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I hear that you have some sound --

LAVANDERA: Sure.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ed, I hear you have some sound that you`ve obtained. Tell us about that. Let`s hear that.

LAVANDERA: Yes. We can listen to little bit. We kind of talked to her about a number of things. I think the things that stood out the most to me were we asked her about her conversations with the FBI agents and what they wanted to know. And talked about what she told those FBI agents as to Deborah`s state of mind last Monday afternoon.

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REBECCA GUERRERO, STORE CLERK: They pretty much asked me, you know, if she was depressed, you know, if she seemed depressed, how she acted around the baby, if she seemed stressed out. Pretty much questions that I would know, because she would talk to me a lot, you know.

LAVANDERA: And what did you tell them?

GUERRERO: I pretty much told them she never looked depressed around me. You know, she always seemed to have a smile on her face when her kids were around.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to go out to Mike Brooks now and ask Mike,

HLN law enforcement analyst, what is the significance of the FBI focusing in on this shopping spree where the mother buys wine out of a box, which I never even knew wine came in a box until yesterday --

MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Unfortunately it does.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- with this man. Yes. And now they`re talking to the checkout lady. What does it mean?

BROOKS: Well, the FBI agents, they are specialists in dealing with possible child abductions, possible child abductions. So they`re looking for specific clues when they`re talking to this woman, just like they probably did when they talked to Deborah Bradley.

But again, it`s all part of the investigation. You have to follow up on every lead, anyone she had contact with. You want to talk to them. I would want to talk to them and find out exactly state of mind. How many times you see it? Who is she with? How many times did you see her with this guy? Did you see her with her boyfriend and this guy?

All the questions that probably were asked by a lot of other people and probably they were asked by Eddie Lavandera.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let`s listen to what the store clerk told Ed Lavandera when he spoke to her exclusively and asked her if it was strange to see Deborah Bradley, the mom of the missing 11-month-old child, with another man buying wine?

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GUERRERO: No, because they normally are around each other a lot. If it`s not her and him, it`s her fiancee and him and they`re just like really close friends.

LAVANDERA: With this Philip (ph) guy?

GUERRERO: Yes. Yes.

LAVANDERA: All right. So you had seen them together before?

GUERRERO: Yes, but they were not -- not just those two together, they would be with Jeremy as well.

LAVANDERA: Ok.

GUERRERO: Like they were really close friends.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, let`s say this mother is not considered a suspect or a person of interest according to law enforcement. And we don`t want to condemn her for going and buying wine with a male friend. It could be a very innocent explanation for all of that, Alison Triessl.

ALISON TRIESSL, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: And actually I think it really bodes well for her that she bought baby wipes and food. Anybody that is going to kill a child isn`t going to stockpile food and wipes to only a few hours later kill the child. So I think that`s actually -- you know, actually helpful for whether or not she was involved.

Now, certainly things could have gone wrong later in the evening, but at that moment she had no intention of harming this child.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I would be very interested to know whether there was wine left over in the box of wine --

TRIESSL: Absolutely.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- or whether all the wine was consumed because part of the problem is she says that she went to sleep with one of the older children, a 6-year-old boy, and she did not hear apparently this intruder who broke in through a window allegedly and turned on all the lights, and then went into the baby`s room, took the baby and walked out the front door and she didn`t hear any of it.

Well, if you had been drinking some wine, you might be -- you might not wake up. You might be passed out.

Here is a cop trying to get into the window that the family believes the intruder entered.

And here is another thing the store clerk said about Deborah Bradley, the missing child`s mother`s demeanor that afternoon. Listen to this.

It`s a clue maybe.

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GUERRERO: She had a smile on her face. I mean like she always does when she comes in here. She loves her kids to death, you know. I always ask her how the kids are doing, you know. She tells me they`re great, you know.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, here is the bizarre thing about this is that the police keep saying that this mother is not a suspects. Some of the relatives have been quoted as saying that they thought that she`s going to be arrested. They feel that maybe the police have to pin it on somebody and that somebody is Deborah Bradley.

They`ve kind of backtracked from that, Mike Brooks. But you get a sense that there`s a lot of focus on this mom even though friends say she was a wonderful mother, had absolutely no reason to harm her child. And yet it seems to linger because, for example, she herself said that cops told her she failed a polygraph, Mike.

BROOKS: Right. I mean you want to eliminate people closest to the little girl. And maybe the law enforcement, they`re not quite satisfied yet, Jane, with some of the answers they were getting. It could have been the polygraph. It could have been something from her boyfriend, the baby`s father. It could have been other things. But they`re still looking -- they searched a wooded area today. But still have they totally eliminated her? We have not heard that.

Law enforcement, they`re not giving up much information. And as a former investigator, you know, that`s a good thing. They shouldn`t be throwing things out there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, listen. We`re just getting started on this subject. We`re going to go back to Ed Lavandera who got an exclusive interview and obtained video of a store surveillance exclusively.

And we`re also going to take your calls. Where is Baby Lisa? Could a mystery man have played a role in her disappearance? Give me a holler, what are your theories? What are your questions? 1-877-JVMSAYS, 1-877- 586-7297.

Later we`re going to talk to the godfather of Michael Jackson`s three children. And remember, we`ve got more of Michael Jackson analysis on our blog. Is Dr. Conrad Murray`s defense team switching their strategy mid- trial?

Looks like they`re dropping their original theory of how Michael Jackson died. Find out what they may be trying to prove. Go to hlntv.com/MichaelJackson.

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GUERRERO: She`s the sweetest little girl I`ve ever seen. She`s always smiling. When you go up to her and you tickle her, she starts laughing. She`s very -- she seems like she doesn`t have a problem

with strangers.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, that woman is a store clerk, and she witnessed the mother of missing Baby Lisa several hours before the child was last seen going into a grocery store with a male friend and purchasing a box of wine and then leaving. And she also, the mother, purchased baby wipes and baby food which, of course, observers are saying, well, that sounds like a mother who is concerned about her child. If she were thinking of doing anything untoward with her child, why would she buy baby food and baby wipes?

Again, she`s not considered a suspect. This is a mystery. Nobody has any idea what happened to her child who was allegedly snatched, abducted from her bedroom, a child who just turned 11 months yesterday.

Gloria, Nevada, your question or thought from caller Gloria?

GLORIA, NEVADA (via telephone): Hi, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.

GLORIA: Yes, My question is where was the baby at the time she was at the store?

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GLORIA: Who was taking care of the child while she was at the store?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s a very good question. Ed Lavandera, you spoke exclusively to this store clerk. Meantime there`s the baby who was ten months old, there`s two older boys as part of this blended family. Who was watching the kids while she`s at the store?

LAVANDERA: We`re getting that question a lot. It was one of the first things that popped into my head as we were watching the video this afternoon speaking with the clerk. But she did say that it wasn`t out of the ordinary, sometimes she would show up with the children, sometimes she wouldn`t.

In my head, just kind of doing some math here -- we haven`t had a chance to ask the family that question. They`re not really taking questions anymore from us. But if the father got home around 4:00, let`s say he worked a four-hour shift that means that he would have gone to work maybe around 8:00, 7:00 at night. This was just before 5:00 in the afternoon.

So conceivably maybe he hadn`t left for work yet. The children could have been at home with him. That`s just guessing on my part. Just, you know, some logical guessing but we don`t know where the kids were at the time and who was watching them at the time. But they clearly weren`t with their mother.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So again, more from your exclusive interview with the store clerk. You asked the store clerk if she thought Baby Lisa`s parents had anything to do with this precious little child`s disappearance.

Let`s listen to the answer she gave to Ed Lavandera.

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GUERRERO: From my interaction, I really don`t think they have anything to do with this. I mean I really don`t. I mean I can`t -- you know, I can`t sit here and say that yes or no because I don`t know what is going through their minds. But I honestly think they have nothing to do with it.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mike Brooks, there are no suspects according to police. What do you make of the fact that the mother reportedly said that the cops told her she failed the polygraph, but the cops are like, well, that`s what she`s saying, we`re not saying that?

BROOKS: Well, and they`re not going to say it. I can guarantee you that right now. Maybe she did. Some people react differently to a polygraph. And you know, I always say, Jane, a polygraph is only as good as the examiner who is giving it. So maybe there were some inconclusive answers that weren`t what we`d say, lies, if you will. So I`d have to take a look at the sheet itself to whether -- to say whether or not she actually failed it or some of the answers were inconclusive.

But I find it interesting that there`s now a private investigator involved in all of this, Jane, who apparently -- they`re not saying who is paying for him -- but apparently there`s some rich guy out there who paid for this private investigator, a retired NYPD cop who is retired on disability who is down there now and who is with the family, who is with the other family members and is apparently going to be the liaison, if you

will, with the media now.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You are absolutely right, a private security consultant says a wealthy family just came out of the blue and said we want to help find this 10-month-old child who just turned 11 months old yesterday.

Actually the private investigator is Bill Stanton; somebody that we`ve had on our show ISSUES a number of times. Very good private eye and he has a lot of gum shoe sense, so to speak.

Alison Triessl, what do you make of the mom saying she failed the polygraph, this trip to the store, the fact that the family has this private eye that`s going to speak for them?

TRIESSL: That`s bizarre. And as a defense attorney I`ve never had a wealthy financier come in and say I`m going to hire a private eye for you. The fact he`s speaking for the family is strange, but still I have to say there`s nothing really conclusive. And unfortunately it does happen that intruders come into homes. It does.

In terms of the grocery store, I just don`t think the behavior is that bizarre or suspicious.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, especially if the boyfriend -- he`s not the husband -- but the father of the missing child knows this guy, they`ve been seen all three of them together. It`s just a friend who happens to be male and they happen to be buying wine. I don`t think we should read anything into it.

But again, we want to analyze everything because we want to be part of trying to find Baby Lisa. Thanks, Ed Lavandera for bringing us your exclusive information that you obtained. And thank you fantastic panel.

Now, at the top of the hour we`re going to have a whole lot more on the search for Baby Lisa. Nancy Grace has the latest and breaking news on that front at 8:00 p.m.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The infant`s mother is seen on this video buying baby supplies in the local market on the very day her child went missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You see Deborah Bradley, Lisa`s mother and another man walk in to this grocery store which is about a mile or so away from this neighborhood here. And they walked away, everything looks very calm.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s the sweetest little girl I`ve ever seen. She`s always smiling. When you go up to her and you tickle her, she starts laughing.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, BABY LISA`S MOTHER: She`s -- she`s everything. She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family, and she means everything to my boys and we -- we need her home.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where is that woman`s child? Where is Baby Lisa? It`s a question we`re going to keep answering until we get an answer. The desperate search for this beautiful 11-month-old child now in its tenth day -- still no sign of her anywhere.

Lisa`s mom, Deborah Bradley, told Kansas City cops she last saw her baby in the child`s crib Monday, October 3rd, 10:30 p.m. Then when Lisa`s dad, Jeremy Irwin, returns home the following morning -- in the dead of night, because he works overnight, about 4:00 or 4:30 in the morning -- he said the house was open, the lights on, Lisa nowhere to be found.

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BRADLEY: The only thing I could think of is, you know, maybe someone wanted a baby and she -- I hope that`s what it is.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Again, day ten of the search; Kansas City police with the help of the FBI scouring neighborhoods, wooded areas, near Baby Lisa`s house. Police continue to say they have not turned up any clues. They have no suspects, no persons of interest. One woman who lives nearby is clearly frustrated.

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CHRISTY MORMINO, NEIGHBOR: Where is the baby? Seriously? Where`s the baby? That is what makes me so sad. And makes you have that feeling in your stomach, the more time that goes by, that the outcome is just not going to be.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok, that concerned woman also had this to say about the mother, Deborah Bradley, who was spotted by this surveillance video shopping for boxed wine, baby food, and baby wipes with a man now identified as her brother, just hours before her own child disappears. Listen to this.

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MORMINO: Half an hour, you go, "She had nothing to do with this." Then on the other hand you go, well, things aren`t adding up. So you just -- you want to believe that there`s not a crazy person out there who`s taking babies. But you also want to believe the mom too.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Nobody knows what`s going on, but the mom is not, according to cops, considered a suspect. Straight out to Ed Lavendera, who is live, covering this mystery in Kansas City, Missouri; Ed, what is the very latest?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, investigators continue to say they have no leads, in terms of finding Baby Lisa, and they continue to do what they have been doing over the last couple of days,

and that is fanning out their search in areas not based on any particular tips or any specific leads that they`ve gotten, but continuing to canvass the area and look around and make sure that they`ve left no stone unturned.

We know that they`ve gone literally through all of these homes in this area, and today they were searching another wooded area nearby. So they continue to do that, Jane, but at the end of the day here, it`s the same sad news that we here have not found -- or authorities here have not found Baby Lisa.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, now, we had all been wondering, who was this mystery man. Who was this mystery man that the mother was buying a box of wine with hours before the child disappeared? Well, it turns out, it`s her brother. So there`s no triangle, there`s none of that, and the family not talking. We don`t know if they`ve even hired a lawyer, if they`ve lawyered up.

But I can tell you this. It`s a strange twist, they`ve hired a highprofile private investigator, Bill Stanton -- we`ve had him on our show ISSUES. He`s a former cop. And he talked about his role, which is interesting.

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BILL STANTON, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: I am here, not necessarily to defend anyone. I am here to lend a set of eyes and to consult based on my history and what I know and what I`ve done in the past. I`m not here as a licensed private eye; I`m here as a consultant. I haven`t been retained by anyone in Missouri. So to answer that question, I`m here consulting.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: We have a very special guest tonight, Diena Thompson, who is one of my heroes; a woman who has turned her grief into action. She is the mother of precious Somer Thompson, a beautiful, beautiful 7-year-old child who was taken by a monster and killed. And Diena, it`s always such an honor to talk to you.

The fact is that your beautiful daughter, Somer, was taken by a neighbor, who also had, according to cops, a history of child porn. So while people might be talking about the mother, she`s not a suspect, and the neighbors, all neighbors -- don`t they need to be scrutinized?

DIENA THOMPSON, DAUGHTER WAS MURDERED: Yes, obviously. I mean, with Somer, you know, you say neighbor, and that makes you think like right next door; like we couldn`t see his house from our house. But definitely, I mean everybody should be considered a suspect, because we don`t know where this precious little baby is. And she`s only, you know, 11 months, God bless her heart. I -- I`m grieving for them.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And nobody -- listen, not to be -- it`s difficult to have these conversations, but, an 11-month-old. What is the motive for taking an 11-month-old, Diena? Tragically, the monster who cops say took your daughter, he had a history of pornography, but an 11month- old? What possible -- can you think of any purpose for stealing this precious child, Diena?

THOMPSON: Well, I mean unfortunately, we do know that she could be a victim of sexual assault, even at 11 months old, because there are people out there that are not right. But also, I mean like when you think about a little baby going missing, you, to my mind, think that it was somebody that couldn`t have a baby. I mean I want to think the

best-case scenario in this. That somebody couldn`t have a baby, they didn`t take the baby to hurt it. They just took the baby because they couldn`t have their own.

Doesn`t make it right -- they need to bring the baby home to their parents where the baby belongs. But that`s what I want to think when I hear about a very small infant going missing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I pray you`re right. Because at least then, it would be somebody who wanted to take care of the child and the child would not necessarily be in harm`s way, physically.

Now, Baby Lisa`s parents, they`re no longer talking to reporters, but here`s the mother, the mother of the missing child, Deborah Bradley, last Thursday, two days after her child disappeared. Check this out.

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BRADLEY: She`s -- she`s everything. She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family, and she`s -- she means everything to my boys. And we -- we need her home. I can`t be without her.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, here`s the thing. This mother -- Tanya Acker, attorney -- has said, well, the cops told me I failed a polygraph. The cops are saying that, well, she`s saying that, we`re not saying that. What do you make of her saying that?

TANYA ACKER, ATTORNEY: I think that in these sorts of cases, Jane, it`s so -- you know, people tend to jump to conclusions. They tend to jump to conclusions about those who are closest to the children or the missing child.

And in this case, remember, we just came off of a summer of Casey Anthony. You know, where we`ve seen a strange parental behavior, really scrutinized, and I think that already, now, you know, we know that this woman was shopping. We know that she had a box of wine before. So, you know, I can see, I can understand that she would be a little leery about talking to the press.

By the same token, I`m not sure what to make of this polygraph story. There are reasons you that fail a polygraph beyond simply lying. She might have been nervous. She might have been anxious. But I think that the parents not wanting to be close to the press or not wanting to speak to the press makes complete sense.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, take a look at this. All the cops got together and they did a re-enactment of what might have happened. And I think -- there`s the house. It`s not a big house, so if somebody broke in, there`s the window that they supposedly broke into, and the cops actually tested it to see how easy it would -- or that`s the front door. Is that the window? It`s hard to tell.

There`s the window. There`s the window. Ok. There`s the cops actually trying to get in the window, to see how easy it would be.

But the point, and I`ll throw this out to Jim Moret, you`ve covered so many of these crimes, if somebody went into this small house through the window, turned on all the lights, open the baby`s door, took the baby and walked out the front door, wouldn`t you think the mother would have heard it?

JIM MORET, CHIEF CORRESPONDENT, "INSIDE EDITION": Yes, you would. Also, I think the other problem is, I don`t believe that that window is the window to the child`s room, which would indicate that you would have to know where that child was, you would have to know a child was in the house. Would suggest that it would be somebody who knew the family, knew they had a child.

But you think about Elizabeth Smart. You think about Diena and Somer`s case. You know, those are cases where you could easily point to the family, and it turned out someone else was responsible. So it`s best not to jump to a conclusion right now. If the police are saying she`s not a suspect, we have to take them at their word right now.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Well, they had a blended family situation. Baby Lisa has two older brothers. Actually, they`re half-brothers. They live in the house with the family, ok?

So here`s a sort of strange family tree -- not strange, but it`s maybe not your classic family tree. Lisa`s dad, ok, the missing child`s dad, Jeremy Irwin, he has an 8-year-old son from a previous marriage. The mother of the missing child, Deborah Bradley, has a 6-year-old son with her husband. Yes, she is still married to a man who is in the army, reportedly overseas, but they have been separated for a number of years. Again, he`s in the military overseas, so he`s not a suspect. But she then had a baby with the man she lives, Jeremy Irwin.

So, should we take that into account at all? I don`t really think so, because we all have blended families today. There`s really nothing even that unusual about it. It`s just not your classic family pattern.

We`re staying on top of the Baby Lisa story and we`ll bring you the

very latest. We`re not going to let up until we find out what happened to that precious child.

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JEREMY IRWIN, FATHER OF MISSING GIRL: Came home from work. The front door was unlocked. Most of the lights were on in the house, and the window was -- in the front was open.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF MISSING GIRL: She`s everything. She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family. Our two other boys are waiting for her. Please. Just drop her off anywhere. We don`t care. Just somewhere safe where she can come home. Please.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The infant`s mother is seen on this video buying baby supplies from the local market on the very day her child went missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You see Deborah Bradley, Lisa`s mother, and another man walk into this grocery store, which is about a mile or so away from this neighborhood here. And they walk away. Everything looks very calm.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is the baby? Seriously, where is the baby? That is what makes me so sad. And makes you have that feeling

in your stomach. The more time that goes by, the outcome is just not going to be good.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Eleven days. That`s how long baby Lisa`s been missing. So, are police any closer to finding this precious child?

Good evening, everyone. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live from our Los Angeles studios.

Tonight, we`re learning police investigating baby Lisa`s disappearance have been showing neighbors a photo of a homeless man known to frequent the area. Could he be the one who took baby Lisa? Nobody can find him.

Police officers with dogs and all-terrain vehicles out searching, again, behind baby Lisa`s parent`s home. And today, they focused on a rock quarry in a heavily wooded area. So far, absolutely nothing.

Meantime, Lisa`s parents, well, they first reported their baby missing 11 days ago after the child`s dad came home from his overnight shift to find baby Lisa missing from her crib. Police suspect she was taken out of her bedroom window. There they are testing that theory, seeing how easy it would be or not for somebody to get into that window.

The family released some new home videos of baby Lisa, and they will absolutely break your heart. Check this out from YouTube.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who are you talking to? Drink your baba.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, look at that poor, defenseless child. Where is that child tonight? It certainly breaks my heart to know that that little baby is out there somewhere or maybe even worse than that. That this angelic, angelic child might have come to some harm. We don`t want to think that. We`re trying to be part of the solution and hoping to find that child OK.

Today, a relative of the missing baby told reporters the family is praying somebody will come forward with information that will bring Lisa home.

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MIKE LERETTE, FAMILY SPOKESMAN: Anything. The smallest thing can bring her home to us. And we`re just waiting on that one phone call, and we`ll have her back home.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Baby Lisa`s only 11 months old. It`s not like somebody is going to find her walking down the road. She`s a baby. She was in her crib, and she just disappeared. She`s completely dependent on whoever snatched her. We`ve got to find her.

Straight out to CNN`s Ed Lavandera, who`s been all over the story from the beginning, since the child vanished. He is live in Kansas City, Missouri, this evening.

Ed, tell us about the breaking news regarding this photograph cops are showing to neighbors. What do we know?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we`ve been hearing from various people. I`ve actually seen at one point officers in a neighborhood not too far away from here showing people in the neighborhood this picture. They`re not releasing this picture publicly, but in speaking with several people who have seen it, they say it`s a white male, about six feet tall, average build. They -- perhaps it`s someone that was a homeless person.

In fact, we spoke with one person who saw the picture who had actually told police that they had seen this person about two months ago in a nearby park. The conversation got a little odd, this person told us, as the man was trying to find for -- find some work. And then about a week and a half ago, he told police that he saw this guy walking through his neighborhood...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is this Jersey, Ed? Is this Jersey? Is this the guy known as Jersey, who apparently was thrown out of a bar because he was drunk? A bar owner told KCTV that he last saw Jersey when he kicked him out of his establishment on October 1 for being drunk, and this guy hadn`t been seen since. Is this Jersey?

LAVANDERA: I`ve seen those reports. And that`s what I`m not exactly sure of at this point. If these are two different people that we`re talking about or if it is, indeed, the same person.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right.

Baby Lisa`s dad was the one who called 911 to report the child missing. He had come home from the overnight shift. Here`s a portion of that call from ABC`s "Good Morning America." Listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He noticed his screen is busted, and his 10month-old daughter is missing. He advised that he didn`t witness anything and don`t know how long she`s been gone.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mike Brooks, now, apparently, there were a number of cell phones in the home that were taken or mysteriously disappeared. What do we know about that? Because I think some people are wondering, well, wouldn`t the father have had a cell phone when he came from the overnight shift? Does it strike you as odd?

MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, there`s a couple of things that strike me as odd in this, Jane.

First of all, and I was talking to Ed Lavandera the other night after the show about this. The father doesn`t usually work this particular shift. All right? And it just happens that his daughter disappears when he`s working this overnight shift. He`s an electrician. Do they -- are they able to account for any service calls to houses or businesses that he may have gone to that night, up until 4 something when he got home?

That`s not making a lot of sense either.

And then, what you point out, the phones. You know, he would have had a phone with him had he been there, you know, out working as an electrician where they have the dispatches by radio, dispatches by phone, and the phones were missing. Were they on? Were they powered up? If so, are they pinging anywhere? These are questions that have yet have been answered to me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and the cops are not saying anything.

Now, one of the controversial aspects of this case is that the mother herself, the mother of the missing child came out, and said that she was under the impression from cops that she had failed a polygraph. She is not considered a suspect, but it was odd that she came out and volunteered that information.

Now, I spoke to Nancy Grace earlier today about baby Lisa`s disappearance, and she pointed out some hard facts about cases like this. Listen to Nancy.

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NANCY GRACE, HLN ANCHOR: I`m always concerned when someone comes into the home and takes a baby while one of the parents or caregivers are there. Somewhere around 80 percent of the time when a child goes missing, it is a familial abduction.

The father had just started working the night shift. As a matter of fact, that may have been his very first night. And the coincidence that that

would be the night that someone breaks into the home, I find very disturbing, because as I`ve always said, there is no coincidence in criminal law.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. So Tim Miller, you`re the director of Texas EquuSearch. You`ve covered many disappearances. Are there too much of a -- are there too many coincidences piling up here? Dad`s first night on the night shift? Somebody must -- could have known that, I would say.

TIM MILLER, DIRECTOR, EQUUSEARCH (via phone): Well, I mean it sounds like the Haleigh Cummings case, doesn`t it? It`s the same time frame. The father was working nights. And, you know, there`s a lot of similarities between little Haleigh`s case.

And you know, I`m really surprised that a larger search has not happened in this. You know, we can go back to Caylee Anthony case.

And, you know, I think that the parents really need to be drilled on this, as there`s far more than a coincidence the first night he`s working nights, he comes home and this baby`s gone. So I think a lot of the investigative work needs to be done and a lot of questions need to be asked. And I don`t think there`s going to be answers to those questions.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think there are a lot of questions. And look at this child. We are now looking at this videotape of this precious child. It breaks my heart. Eleven months old. Completely helpless. And there she is yawning. What an angel. And what`s happened to her?

Now, here`s another very bizarre twist in this case. A wealthy, anonymous benefactor today stepped in and offered $100,000 in a reward. And they`re also apparently paying for a private investigator and a psychologist who specializes in threat assessment. Listen to this.

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BILL STANTON, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: To me, she is a rock star in her field. She`s not well-known. But in my community, in the law enforcement community, she is well-known, and she`s excellent at what she does. Her name is Dr. Marisa Randazzo.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that doesn`t make any sense to me, somebody who is assessing threats. But I have to tell you, Mike Brooks, I spoke with this private investigator today on the phone, Bill Stanton. And he said to me, this wealthy benefactor/benefactors are philanthropists, and they have a connection to the family. But it`s not necessarily a close connection. It could be a distant connection. He wouldn`t elaborate.

He said they called him up and they said, "You`re not working for the family. You`re working for that baby. You -- your assignment is to find that child."

And he also told me he has no allegiance to anyone but the truth, and he is going to not look over the shoulder of cops, but anything he finds, he`s going to give to cops. What do you make of this mystery benefactor -- Mike?

BROOKS: You know, I don`t know. To be honest, the first thing I thought about, and just like Casey Anthony, I thought about Leonard Padilla inserting himself into the case. But I`m sure if it were him -- if it were him, he`d be out there in front.

But no, a $100,000 reward. I`m not crazy, though, Jane, about having parallel investigations by a private investigator and by law enforcement, especially, you know, early on in the investigation, even though it`s been a little time now.

And now, this psychologist, I don`t know who she is. Maybe she specializes in some kind of behavioral -- maybe a behavioral scientist. They say threat assessment. And that can go in line with behavioral sciences. But I`m not crazy about a dual investigation going on.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it`s just another odd twist.

BROOKS: It is, it is.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And just to jump in for a second, we`ve got another guest, a very special guest joining us now in an ISSUES exclusive. It is a father who experienced a very similar thing, and he has never stopped looking for his son. Gil Abeyta has been searching for his missing son, Christopher, for 25 years.

Gil, your son was 7 months old when he was snatched from his crib, and there are even more similarities between your case and the case we`re talking about, baby Lisa out of Kansas City. Thank you for joining us, sir, and we share your heartache that has gone on for so long.

GIL ABEYTA, SEARCHING FOR MISSING SON: Thank you very much.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tell us about the similarities between your two cases.

ABEYTA: That`s what really got me here, is that, although we`ve been working with missing children for about 25 years in many areas, I happened to be sleeping on -- I think it was Monday morning. And I heard the news, and I heard this case. I thought it was a recap of everything that we had done and what happened, and lie detector tests and mother being -- failing this and that. I thought, this is really strange.

So, I woke up, and I got some more news on it. And I felt that we could be of service. And we could come in and provide information, maybe some strategy, possible some type of investigation because we`ve been doing it for such a long time, that we know our case inside and out. And they were so similar that...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me ask you this, Gil. Gil...

ABEYTA: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me ask you this: did people suspect you when your child disappeared? Do you relate to that?

ABEYTA: Yes. Yes. They did. That`s automatic. OK? Now, that`s going to happen right away. They`re going to suspect the family.

I think that my wife was unnecessarily -- she was beaten up by everybody, because the mothers seem to take the main fold of everything that happens. And -- but we survived. You wonder how you survive under those conditions, but we know exactly. And we say this, because I`ve talked to so many people, that we know what they`re going through. We know what their mind is going. What they`re doing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we sympathize with you. We sympathize with this family. We are not drawing any conclusions here. There`s a child missing, and we don`t know who took the child or why. It`s a mystery.

More on the desperate search for baby Lisa. The search for this adorable child intensifying tonight. Where is baby Lisa?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She had a smile on her face. I mean, like she always does when she comes in here. And she, you know, loves her kids to death. You know, I always ask how the kids are doing, you know? She tells me they`re great, you know.

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LERETTE: We`re hanging in there. Thank you very much. And just keep praying. We feel just keep praying. Please, please, please, keep praying.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s a family member coming out and speaking for the family.

Baby Lisa`s mother and father have been heavily scrutinized since their adorable child vanished. Surveillance cameras even caught the baby`s mother shopping at a local grocery store for baby food, baby wipes and a box of wine just hours before the child disappeared. And the man she`s with was initially described as a mystery man, but it turned out to be the mother`s brother, so that didn`t seem suspicious after we found out that, oh, it`s her brother, and she`s often seen going into the store with her brother.

When I spoke to Nancy Grace, she wondered about that wine, the box of wine they bought.

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GRACE: I`d like to find out how much of that big honking box of wine the mom bought was recovered. Was she out cold? What happened to that? And I`d also like to find out, which is going to be very, very telling, Jane, who last saw the baby alive.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s an interesting question. Who last saw baby Lisa? I want to bring in John Hamilton, former Kansas City law enforcement.

John, thanks for joining us. What I`d like to know is after the mother bought that box of wine with her brother, what did they do? Did they come straight back to the house? Where is the wine? Has it been consumed entirely or partially? What did the brother see? There are so many unanswered questions. And John, the cops are not saying very much at all.

JOHN HAMILTON, FORMER KANSAS CITY LAW ENFORCEMENT (via phone): Well, I`m sure that`s true. Much of this obviously has to be kept under wraps for a variety of reasons. One, you wouldn`t want to tip your hand in an investigation, and secondly, you have to be cautious of what you do say. You don`t want to say something that would be incorrect.

I`m sure that, as they have hold of that house with that search warrant, that they -- they went over all of those things and probably found that type of evidence in the house initially when they went through it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Mike Brooks, I think it`s very interesting that on the surveillance video, we have the mother. She`s seen buying baby wipes and baby food along with the wine. To me, that would say she certainly didn`t intend to do anything untoward to a child. Because why would she have bought those items?

BROOKS: Good question. And, you know, the clerk. Does she buy that on a regular basis? The clerk basically said that she sees them in there. She sees her. She sees her brother. She sees her fiance. They`re in there all the time. Sometimes together, sometimes

separately. Different - - just all the time. But I don`t find that -- I don`t find that, you know, that`s suspicious.

The phones though, Jane. I really find that. And as I said before, Jeremy Irwin working the first time, the night shift or never works night shift very often. I just -- I just can`t get past that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Patricia, new Jersey. Your question or thought, Patricia, on the phone.

CALLER: I`m sorry?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Your question or thought, Patricia.

CALLER: Oh, I`m just was calling in. I felt so bad for the mother. I just hope that, you know, that the baby`s found healthy and you know, of course, alive. I would hate to think anything different.

But it just concerns me with some of the things that were put out there on the air in regards to the disappearance of the poor baby. She was a beautiful baby girl. I mean, I just feel sorry for the parents. I just hope that she -- you know, that she comes home soon.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you, Patricia. We all do. Look at that angelic child. We pray she is found alive. Next.

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DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF MISSING BABY: The only thing I could think of is maybe somebody wanted a baby and she...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is the baby?

NANCY GRACE, HLN ANCHOR: I`m always concerned when someone comes into the home and takes the baby, while one of the parents or caregivers are there.

BRADLEY: She`s everything. She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family. Our two other boys are waiting for her. Please. Just drop her off anywhere. We don`t care. Just somewhere safe where she can come home, please.

GRACE: I`d like it find out how much of that big honking box of wine mom bought was recovered. Was she out cold?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just keep praying. Just keep praying, please, please, please.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The truth is going to come out eventually. It always does.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Shocking new

developments in the search for missing baby Lisa. As the National Guard is called out to hunt for the missing 11-month-old girl, an adorable child, "People" magazine is reporting tonight that Lisa`s mother was quite possibly in a drunken blackout -- that`s right, a drunken stupor -- the night this beautiful, angelic, precious, helpless child went missing. Is that why the little girl`s mother is now changing her story and changing her time line?

Originally, Deborah Bradley said she put little Lisa to bed at about 10:30 p.m. But now she is claiming that she actually put Lisa to bed at about 6:40 p.m. Hello. That is a difference of about three hours and 50 minutes. That is huge. What could account for such a wild discrepancy? Could it be that she`s now admitting she probably had more than five glasses of wine that night?

Deborah is now flat out -- that`s right -- admitting she was drunk that night. Listen to this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you drinking that night?

BRADLEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much?

BRADLEY: Enough to be drunk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you were drunk?

BRADLEY: Mm-hmm.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of people are going to say, "Deborah, you were drunk that night. Is there any chance you did anything to hurt your daughter that you`re just not telling us?"

BRADLEY: No, no, no. And if I thought there was a chance I would say it. No, no. I don`t think that alcohol changes a person enough to do something like that.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, alcohol definitely changes someone when you`re in a blackout. You don`t know what you`re doing.

Deborah was seen buying baby food and box of wine with her brother less than two hours before she allegedly put Lisa into her crib for the last time. So what really happened to baby Lisa between that visit to the store and when her dad came home from work at 4 in the morning?

Do you believe Deborah`s latest story? Give me a call. We`re taking your calls tonight: 1-877-JVM-SAYS. That`s 1-877-586-7297. We`ll put you on as soon you come in.

Straight out to Jim Spellman, CNN reporter. You are live in Kansas City. What is the very latest tonight?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Jane.

Well, earlier today the family brought on an attorney, Joe Tacopina, a high-powered attorney from New York City. You may remember him from the Joran Van Der Sloot case. He immediately tried to reset the perceptions of this case and move the attention away from Deborah Bradley and back to police, encouraging them to do more searches.

I thought one of the fascinating things he brought up was about her admitting being drunk. He suggests that, look, if she was so drunk could she possibly have pulled off this disappearance, baby Lisa gone without a trace?

And on the flip side, suggesting that if somebody did break into the house, and she was out cold drunk, that`s a reason why she wouldn`t have heard it. Very interesting day today here as they try to really change that perception of Deborah -- of Deborah.

Back to you, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, yes, I watched that news conference and Joe Tacopina, who`s an excellent lawyer, ferocious in his defense of this family, but what`s ironic here is that the attention gets focused on the mother primarily because of her own words and things she has told the media.

"People" magazine interviewed Deborah, and "People" magazine says, quote, "She has no recollection of whether or not she checked on her daughter or turned off the house lights before she went to bed." When asked if alcohol caused her to black out, she said, quote, "It`s a possibility." Quote, "I had several glasses of wine." "More than five?"

"Probably."

And when asked if she saw anything wrong with drinking while her infant was in her care, Deborah said, quote, "She was sleeping. I don`t have a problem with me having adult time," end quote.

Hello? Getting drunk is not having adult time when you`re in charge of three kids. A tiny little helpless baby along with a 6- and an 8-yearold boy, who were also in the house at the time. HLN law enforcement analyst Mike Brooks.

MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: I`m telling you, what if the house had of caught on fire, Jane? Would she have been able to get her kids out of there? No, absolutely not.

And, you know, his whole thing today, it was very strange. You first saw Bill Stanton, who is a private investigator from New York, get up there and say, "Well, I`m leaving, but another New Yorker is coming here," and then he introduced Joe Tacopina. It was very, very strange.

And then, you know, Joe went on to say, also, that the members of law enforcement had been insensitive during interviews of the parents. Well, you know, sometimes you got to play hard ball, if you`re law enforcement, to try to get to the truth. And that`s what it`s all about, Jane. Law enforcement getting to the truth.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. And again, she is the one who was seen on surveillance video buying the wine, which in and of itself, there`s nothing incriminating about that. But not even two full hours before she allegedly put this helpless, helpless child, 11 months old now, ten months old at the time, to bed, she`s seen on tape buying booze at a

local store. O, that happens at around 5 in the evening.

Listen to this.

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REBECCA GUERRERO, SAW MOM AT STORE: They pretty much asked me, you know, if she was depressed, you know. If she seemed depressed. How she acted around the baby. You know, if she, you know, seemed stressed out. Pretty much questions that, you know, would -- I would know because she would talk to me a lot, you know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what did you tell them?

GUERRERO: I pretty much told them she never looked depressed around me, you know. She always seemed to have a smile on her face when her kids were around.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, there`s the clerk talking. You can see the boxes of wine behind her. Deborah Bradley purchased one of those boxes of wine at about 5 p.m. Now she is saying that she put her child to sleep at about 6:40 when she had originally said 10:30. It seems that she`s confused about the timeline.

I want to go out to Wendy Walsh, psychologist and the new co-host of "The Doctors." Congratulations on that post, Wendy.

I`ve got to say. I want to emphasize that I have experience with this, and I`m not proud of it. I have the dubious distinction of being an expert in this area because I am a recovering alcoholic. Sixteen years ago when I had my last drink. More than that, actually. It`s coming up on 17 years in April. Knock on wood I make it. One day at a time.

WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: Congratulations on that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But I do know what blackouts are like. And I know that you don`t remember what happens after a certain point, and then sometimes you get little flashes, like flashes of "Oh, I think this happened. I think that happened." And sometimes things come back a couple of days later.

They do these jokes with it, like, "Dude, Where`s My Car?" where people forget where they parked their car. But this is not a laughing matter. This is a very, very, serious matter. And I can tell you that, having experienced it myself, when you`re a n a blackout, you don`t know what the heck you`re doing. And so you can`t say, "I did this, that and the other," because you don`t know what you`re doing, Wendy.

WALSH: That`s so true, Jane. And congratulations to you for almost hitting 17 years. It`s a very tough walk.

This woman is doing -- has done what appears to be a kind of binge drinking behavior. If it`s true that she had more than five glasses, we don`t know how much food she had with it. We don`t know the whole timeframe, where she consumed it. But the inconsistencies in her story about the timeframe, and as you said, Jane, do lead us to believe that, potentially, she was in a blackout state and unable to remember the exact details.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and maybe that`s why she says that cops gave her a poly, and she failed when they asked, "Do you know where the baby is?" Because on some deep recess of her mind, it`s a possibility.

And I`m not -- listen, she is not considered a suspect. I`m just talking about how blackouts work. When you`re in a blackout, there is some part of your mind that`s registering what`s happening. You just can`t remember it. Because sometimes, and this has happened to me, thank God more than 16 years ago, but it did happen to me, where you remember things hours or even days later.

I want to go out to the phones. Carla, Texas, your question or thought, Carla?

CALLER: I just don`t understand how she doesn`t remember if she put the baby to bed at 7:40. But she tells the cops it was 10:30. I mean, that`s three hours. But I don`t know -- I don`t drink, so I don`t understand blackouts. But I have four children, and I have a baby who`s one. And three, six and seven. I know when they go to bed every night. And I just don`t understand how she doesn`t know. I mean, I guess because she was drinking. But I don`t get -- I just don`t understand it. How does she not know when she put her baby to bed?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think it`s interesting, because what happens is that you lose track of the time. So you think -- you might be thinking it`s 10:30 at night, but it`s 6:30. Or you might be thinking it`s 6:30 at night but it`s 10:30.

I want to go back out to Jim Spellman, who`s a reporter there on the scene. She was on the stoop, apparently, drinking with a neighbor. And

at 10:30, the neighbor leaves. Can you tell us about that? Paint a picture of what was going on, from what you know.

SPELLMAN: Sure. About 10:30, the neighbor that she had been drinking with, leaves and tells her that she saw the lights go off in her house, that Deborah turned off the lights in her house.

Now, of course, when Jeremy, the father, comes back around 4 in the morning, the lights were on. So that creates some question marks there.

But also, you know, I wanted to touch on that three- or four-hour gap now that she`s created by changing her story. That`s really significant because as police have been questioning people and getting the word out in the public, people have had in their head, what happens from 10:30 on. The difference between 6:30 when people are coming home from work and 10:30 when people are going to bed is really huge in people`s has perceptions of what was going on at that time. It`s really different. The sun is out at 6:30; it`s down at 10:30. That is a huge gap that really has created a big problem for investigators here, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And it`s interesting that her original thing was, "Oh, I last saw the baby at 10:30." Now, we`re hearing, no, she saw the baby at 6:40. But her friend, with whom she`s drinking on the stoop of her house, leaves at 10:30. So maybe she assumed that she had checked on the baby after the friend left. But what happens after 10:30 when her friend leaves?

Now, we also understand that authorities have been removing some -some items from the homes around there. We`re going to get to that on the other side, and we have an exclusive interview with somebody who`s right in the thick of all this.

And we`re taking your calls: 1-877-JVM-SAYS. Why does the mother`s story keep changing?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re hanging in there. Thank you very much. And just keep praying. Just keep praying. Please, please, please, keep praying.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The infant`s mother is seen on this video buying baby supplies from a local market on the very day her child went missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You see Deborah Bradley, Lisa`s mother, and another man walk into this grocery store, which is about a mile or so away from this neighborhood here. And they walk away. Everything looks very calm.

GUERRERO: She`s the sweetest little girl I`ve ever seen. She`s always smiling. When you go up to her and you tickle her, she starts laughing.

BRADLEY: She`s everything. She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family. She -- she means everything to my boys. And we -- we need her home.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, they`ve lawyered up, as they say, in the trade. Lisa`s mom, the missing baby`s mother and father, appeared with a very famous lawyer, Joe Tacopina, today. Joe Tacopina spoke. They just stood there holding hands and listening, the media just peppering them with questions.

The mother has not been shy about telling the world that the cops told her she failed a polygraph, even as she complains that people are focusing on her. One of the reasons they`re focusing on her is because she has told that. The cops didn`t say it. She did.

Listen to this from ABC`s "Good Morning America."

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BRADLEY: "... you failed."

I said, "Failed what? What question did I fail?"

He said, "You failed the one where you know where your daughter`s at."

And I said, `That`s not possible. I don`t know where she`s at."

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: It seems to me odd, Mike Brooks, that she is the one telling everybody that cops told her she failed a polygraph, because cops refuse to confirm that. They`ve also refused to say that she is a suspect.

What do you make of my theory that possibly the blackout from alcohol could be the reason that she failed the polygraph?

BROOKS: Well it could very well be, Jane. But it also could be an investigative technique, that they`re not getting all the answers that they think they should be getting.

And, you know, we heard Joe Tacopina today say that he didn`t like the way that law enforcement was handling her.

So she`s the one saying that, though. I mean, maybe she did. But they think that she knows where the baby is located, and she`s saying she doesn`t. It could be an investigative technique or she may have actually failed the polygraph. But law enforcement aren`t going to say, "She failed the polygraph." We heard that from their spokesperson.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Deborah also said that during this interrogation, cops used some, well, you might say controversial techniques, in an apparent bid to try to get her to say something. Listen to this from ABC`s "GMA." This is pretty fascinating.

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BRADLEY: During interrogation we found this. They showed me burnt clothes. She showed me a Doppler thing with pings from a -- that my cell phone. And I`m led to believe at this point that none of that was real. I hope the burnt clothes weren`t real.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And another perplexing piece of this puzzle is that the cell phones that the family had in the house, they say, whoever they believe broke into the house through a window, turned out all the lights took their cell phones.

And we don`t know anything about whether the cell phones had any pings, although you believe the mother, the cops tried to use the cellphone pings in their interrogation.

I want to go to a very special guest we have. Janice McConnell, she works at One-Eyed Jack`s Tavern. What a colorful name, Janice, for a tavern. I know that everybody in that area is frantic about this helpless precious child who is missing.

I understand that one of the people that police interviewed and later exonerated but thought might be a suspect at one point, a homeless man that goes by the name...

JANICE MCCONNELL, ONE-EYED JACK`S TAVERN (via phone): Jersey.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, what was the name?

MCCONNELL: Jersey.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jersey. That`s what it was. Jersey. You saw him in your pub. Tell us about that, if you would, Janice.

MCCONNELL: Well, he really didn`t come in here to our bar at all. And I know that he was in there the Saturday night before the baby went missing. And he was on the patio with one of our customers. And I guess he was going around spitting on people. Kind of crazy.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Spitting? Did you say spitting?

MCCONNELL: Yes, spitting on people.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Lovely.

MCCONNELL: And we had never seen him before -- before that night. And my bouncer went out and asked him to leave. And that`s really the last time -- the first and last time that we`ve seen him. And so they`ve been talking to us about it, because they -- it appeared that that was the last time that he`d been seen. And then the baby went missing, I guess, that Monday. So...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And apparently, this guy lives in a well?

MCCONNELL: Well, I guess he`s homeless. And so there are several houses around here that are abandoned. And I guess he`s like, you know, moves from one house to the other, you know, living in them. One of them was the one that had the well in the back yard that they went down to see if they could find a baby. As soon as they got done doing that, they bulldozed the house.

And then on Saturday, and I`m not sure. I haven`t really heard whether or not, but the police caught him on Saturday night. And at the same time they were talking about this abandoned house that had the dirty diapers in it. They talk about...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hang on. We`re going to get more on the other side. But that guy`s been eliminated as a suspect.

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JOE TACOPINA, LAWYER FOR LISA`S FAMILY: Assume for a second she had nothing to do with the disappearance of Lisa. She`s a mother who is in a high state of trauma, who trembles every day and cries. And if her recollection sometimes isn`t what it should be regarding certain times of events, I don`t think we can really be too harsh on that.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: The family of the missing child has lawyered up with that lawyer, Joe Tacopina. Very famous attorney indeed. Even as they insist they are completely 100 percent innocent.

Now, surveillance footage has given the father an alibi. He was working on a Starbucks that was under construction, and there`s apparently surveillance video of him. Listen to this, from ABC`s "Good Morning America."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s actually kind of done the opposite. You know, we spent, you know, every waking moment together since this happened. It`s actually made us a lot closer.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well he`s sticking by his wife, who was the last one to see the child.

Rebecca, Georgia, we`re going to the phones. Rebecca Georgia, your questions or thought, Rebecca.

CALLER: Hello, Jane. I watch you every night.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you, thank you. Keep watching.

CALLER: And my thought is it`s like a repeat of Mr. Croslin. It`s like her. She was in another room when the little girl was taken, and she was also in bed with their son. And the lights were on also.

And the father came home just like Lisa`s father, to find the baby missing. I think she knows what happened to baby Lisa and who has her. Has anyone thought of the similarity?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Rebecca, you have made some great parallels there between these two cases. And of course, the disappearance of little Haleigh Cummings remains a mystery to this day. Even as the mother, or the girlfriend of the father, Misty Croslin, remains in prison on drug charges, as does the missing baby`s father, Ron Cummings. They`re both in jail. And still, we don`t know what happened to that child. It`s a total mystery, and I agree with you.

Wendy Walsh, what perplexes me about this case, is that it appears, according to published reports, that Lisa is not allowing police to reinterview the two older children in the house, the 6- and the 8-yearold boys, saying she doesn`t want to upset them any more. Do you buy that explanation?

WALSH: You know, Jane, I actually do. She`s a mother. She`s trying to demonstrate that she`s protective of her children. She is probably -- I mean, assuming that her story is true -- let`s take that stance first -- she`s probably in a great deal of shock. She`s been undergoing a lot of police investigative techniques that could have caused her a lot of stress and anxiety.

And now she`s doing the one thing people are saying that she didn`t do with the baby, which is try to protect her son, so I get it. I totally get it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jim Spellman, CNN reporter. You`ve got Lisa`s mom, the baby`s mother, buying wine with her brother. What do we know about this brother?

And also the neighbor. What did the neighbors see when she left? Because I understand she saw lights going off.

SPELLMAN: She saw lights going out. She left about 10:30, Jane, and saw lights going out and told Deborah this. And of course, when Jeremy, the father, came back, the lights were on.

Now, this neighbor is somebody we haven`t been able to get to, and they haven`t named her yet. Several of the neighbors here have put up "no trespassing signs" on their front yard and made it clear that they don`t want to talk to anybody. We do know that several neighbors, including her next-door neighbor...

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. We are out of time. Thank you so much, fantastic panel.

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JOE TACOPINA, ATTORNEY FOR LISA`S PARENTS: Assume for a second she had nothing to do with the disappearance of Lisa. She`s a mother who is in a high state of trauma, trembles every day.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, LISA`S MOTHER: All I could think of is, you know, maybe somebody wanted a baby and she -- I hope that`s what it is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is the baby?

TACOPINA: If her recollection sometimes isn`t what it should be with regards to certain times of events, I don`t think we could really be too harsh on that.

NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: I`m always concerned when someone comes into the home and takes the baby while one of the parents or caregivers are there.

BRADLEY: She`s everything. She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family. Our two other boys are waiting for her. Please, just drop her off anywhere. We don`t care. Just somewhere safe where she can come home, please.

GRACE: I`d like to find out how much of that big, honking box of wine that the mom bought was recovered. Was she out cold?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just keep praying. Just keep praying. Please, please, please, keep praying.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The truth is going to come out. I know it will, eventually. It always does.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, could there be a break in the baby Lisa case? As cops say, tipsters might have spotted the missing 11-monthold. Is there now a war brewing between the cops and baby Lisa`s family? Sure looks that way to me.

We heard baby Lisa`s mother, Deborah Bradley, had not one or two drinks or three or four, but more than five glasses of wine. And she`s also on anti-anxiety meds, we are learning now. She admits that she drank to the point of possibly blacking out and doesn`t remember key events the night her child went missing.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you drinking that night?

BRADLEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much?

BRADLEY: Enough to be drunk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you were drunk?

BRADLEY: Mm-hmm.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of people are going to say, "Deborah, you were drunk that night. Is there any chance you did anything to hurt

your daughter that you`re just not telling us?"

BRADLEY: No, no, no. And if I thought there was the chance, I`d say it. No, no. I don`t think that alcohol changes a person enough to do something like that.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, really? Well, if you don`t remember what happened, I don`t know that you can say that for a fact, no, no, no.

The family`s new high-powered lawyer is trying to take the scrutiny off of Deborah`s binge drinking and changing time line and put it squarely on the local cops. Listen to this.

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TACOPINA: People during the investigation, members of law enforcement, obviously, some members, not all, and certainly I`m not going to start identifying which -- which members or which group, but I think, in the questioning of these two people, have been a little insensitive. Do your investigation and start right here. Start right here. It`s absolutely normal for them to start right here. But don`t come to a conclusion before you have evidence and then try and look for the evidence.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Joe Tacopina, you`re a great lawyer, but I`ve

got this to tell you. Cops say they have not been able to conduct an actual interview with your clients, Lisa`s mom or the missing child`s dad, since October 8. They said, quote, "Clearly, the parents` level of cooperation has not been what it needs to be to find this child. Should they change their minds, our door is always open." So hmm, that puts everything in a different light.

What do you think? Give me a call: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297. I am taking your calls right now.

Straight out to Jim Spellman, who is live in Kansas City right outside baby Lisa`s home. What have you heard, first of all, about this possible baby sighting? How far away? What are the details, Jim?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That`s Manhattan, Kansas, 120 miles to the west of here, right along the main highway. The reports are that two women in their 20s showed up with a baby matching the description. When they started getting attention because of that, they left without eating their food, in a black automobile. They don`t have a license plate number. Police right now are tracking -running down those leads, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Deborah`s new lawyer came out firing. He says the claims that baby Lisa`s mom changed her story just are not true.

Listen to this from ABC`s "GMA."

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TACOPINA: There`s not a four-hour gap.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, why not?

TACOPINA: Well, there`s not, because what she said was she put the baby to bed at around 6:30. At one point during one of the 13 hours of interview, she had said she believed she checked on her at 10:30. It`s not an inconsistency. It may be a recollection that`s refreshed at some later point, but it`s certainly not material to whether or not she had anything to do with the disappearance of her baby.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Listen, I`m not saying the mother`s a suspect. The cops are not saying the mother`s a suspect, but give me a break, no inconsistencies? She first said she put little Lisa to baby at 10:30. Now she`s saying it was 6:40. That is a huge difference, Mike Brooks, HLN law enforcement analyst. I mean, a huge difference. Why are they so defensive at this stage?

MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, I don`t know. Who`d you see there, Joe Tacopina and Bill Stanton. The guy that just left there, they go right from there, right from New York on prime time in the morning.

You know, look, they can say what they want to say, but I can tell you, as a former investigator, Jane, that`s a big inconsistency.

And then, also, they`re not making the little -- the step -- the stepchildren, they`re not making them available, the stepbrothers, because apparently, she says that they heard something too. OK, what did they hear? Was it loud? Was it soft? Were the lights on? Were the

lights off?

When you have that much of a gap, in you know, that all-important timeline of what really happened, they need -- law enforcement needs to talk to the Irwins again, and they need to talk to the children some more. And you know, he says they`re being insensitive? Well, you know what? Cooperate with police.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t get this. The mother is hysterical, crying. She says, "I`ve got to find" -- look at this precious baby. Look at this gorgeous, beautiful, innocent, helpless child -- emphasis, helpless. OK.

Now we`re hearing that Deborah hasn`t talked to cops since October 8 and basically stopped the questioning on October 8. We`re also hearing that the cops have had trouble now reaching the parents and that the parents would not talk to cops, saying, "No, we`ve got to do a TV interview." OK, check this out. "We`ve got to do a TV interview. We can`t talk to you." Let`s take a look at the mother.

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BRADLEY: She`s everything. She`s -- she`s our little girl. She`s completed our family and she`s -- she means everything to my boys, and we - - we need her home. I can`t -- I can`t be without her.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to bring in famous O.J. Simpson prosecutor, Marcia Clark, to talk about this case. And she is here. I`m very delighted to have her on set with me here at the "L.A. Times" building,

with the criminal courthouse in the backdrop.

I`ve got to ask you, this mother, OK, she`s crying, hysterically, and she seems very, very distraught. And yet, cops are saying she won`t answer any questions. They cannot question her about the inconsistencies.

MARCIA CLARK, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, they did question her. I mean, I`m going to play devil`s advocate just a little bit and balance this picture. She did talk to them, quite a lot.

Now, they started out by being accusatory with her, which is really standard. When a baby disappears, you look to the parents; you look to the closest people. She was the last one alone with the baby.

On the other hand, she admits that she was drinking, that she had a lot to drink, that she passed out, that when her husband came home, she was still asleep at 4 o`clock in the morning. The front window was open. The front door was open. The lights were on. All of this was very strange.

And so when she tells the cops," I last saw the baby at 10:30," I can see where Joe Tacopina, her lawyer, is saying, "Really, it wasn`t so much as an inconsistency as she was confused and upset. She`s being accused of doing something horrible to her child."

And I think what she really did mean. I put the baby down at 6:30, but I checked again at 10:30 and it was all well. But after that point, she passed out. The fact that she`s as honest as she is about drinking as much as she did, no one could have checked that out. She could just as easily have said, "I was asleep."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, yes. But I don`t know that we found that off the bat. I don`t know that we found that out off the bat. I think you make some good points, but this surveillance video of her buying a box of wine, and I said, I never even knew wine came in boxes until just -- this case has occurred, because that`s a lot of wine. A box of wine! OK? That`s when we started hearing about the wine.

Before that, it wasn`t -- she was doing -- she was talking to the media. She didn`t say, "Hey, I was drunk," immediately. She was -she was talking about being distraught over her child missing. Then we see that video; then we learn about that.

I have to point out, "People" magazine interviewed Deborah. OK. And there are some very, very shocking quotes. "She has no recollection of whether or not she checked on her daughter or turned off the house lights before she went to bed." When asked if alcohol caused her to black out, she said, "It`s a possibility. I had several glasses of wine. More than five, probably."

So here`s what upset me. When asked if she saw anything wrong with drinking while her infant was in her care. She said, "She was sleeping. I don`t have a problem with me having adult time."

Hello. We`ve got a problem now, because your child is missing and you can`t remember the details of how she went missing or when she went missing because you don`t recall because you were drinking.

I`m not saying you had anything to do with it, but I do feel that alcohol is an issue in this case. And on the other side of the break -and I`m a recovering alcoholic with 16 years of sobriety. On the other side of this break, we`re going to talk to an expert in addictionology to

clarify what issue, if any, which role, if any, alcohol played in this horrific saga.

We also have calls lining up. We`re going to take them right on the other side.

More on baby Lisa missing, the mystery. 1-877-JVM-SAYS. Could it be that two women are on the run with this adorable child? That`s one sighting.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Every half an hour, you go, she had nothing to do with this. And then on the other hand you`re going, well, you know, things aren`t adding up. And so you just -- you want to believe that there`s not a crazy person out there who`s taking babies, but you also want to believe the mom, too.

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TACOPINA: These two people standing behind me are two parents who are grieving every day, every minute, every second for the loss of their daughter. Hopefully, she will come back to them. And hopefully, she`ll be healthy, and they`ll be able to move on with their life.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That was the new hot-shot attorney for the parents of baby Lisa, who went missing October 3.

We are now learning a shocking piece of information. Published reports quoting police sources say that the parents who are so hysterical and say they`ll do anything to find their child have not spoken to police since October 8. And the cops say they`re having a hard time getting in touch with these parents, despite the fact that the parents continue to talk to the media, including "People" magazine.

And the cops have even reportedly said, when they approached them and talked, they said, "No, we can`t talk to you right now. We`re doing a TV interview."

And I want to go to the alcohol factor. Howard Samuels, founder and CEO of the Hills Treatment Center in Los Angeles, listen, this woman says she probably had more than five glasses of wine. She doesn`t recall exactly whether or not she checked on her little daughter at 10:30 at night. She doesn`t remember whether she turned the lights on or off. Now, she says she was possibly in a blackout.

I say this as a recovering alcoholic. She was in a blackout, in my humble opinion. If you cannot recollect key events and you`ve been drinking, that is the equivalent of a blackout, is it not, Howard Samuels?

HOWARD SAMUELS, FOUNDER/CEO, HILLS TREATMENT CENTER: Absolutely, Jane. And what also you have to realize is that she was on anxiety medication. On the bottle of every anxiety medication --

Xanax, Clonopin - - it says, do not drink. So in reality, with her on anxiety medication, five glasses of wine, that means she had ten glasses of wine. That`s the result when you mix these two.

So it is such a crime when she says, "Oh, I was having adult time." How can you have adult time when you`re drinking and on anxiety medication? It is inconceivable. It is so sad that this has happened.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and I think you make an excellent point. If you take alcohol and you add anti-anxiety meds, it equals double the number of drinks.

SAMUELS: That`s right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So we`re talking about a huge amount of intoxicants in this woman`s system at the time her child went missing.

All right. We`re going to go to the phone lines. They`re lighting up. Andrea, New York, your question or thought, Andrea?

CALLER: Hi, Jane, thanks for taking my call. Jane, I`ve overheard so much about checking pings on telephones throughout the case. The Anthony trial, even with Dr. Murray, they`re so set on finding out pings and things like that. I haven`t heard anything about any of those three phones being pinged, except for that one phone call at 2:30 in the morning. Can you help me out on that one?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, I think that`s an excellent point. Jim Spellman, CNN reporter live outside the missing child`s home in Kansas City, Missouri. We know that the parents claim that whoever broke in,

according to them, anyway, came in, they think, through the window and took the baby and three cell phones.

Whatever happened to the pings on the cell phones? And what about the cops allegedly using some kind of Doppler radar on the mother, like saying, "Hey, we`ve seen these pings"? Tell us about that.

SPELLMAN: Sure, well, we know that the mother has told in media reports that she has said that the police told her that they did ping those cell phones. We haven`t gotten that from the police. We don`t know if that actually happened or if perhaps that was just a ploy in their interrogations. That`s a big question mark, because if the phones were on and the batteries were charged, you could use that GPS technology to find out where those phones have gone.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, I want to go to Janice McConnell. You work at One-Eyed Jack`s Tavern, and what`s interesting is that I`m going to play something for you, Janice, and our viewers, and then I`m going to get your reaction, because we are following this case closely. We have theories. And so it`s no surprise that baby Lisa`s parents have their own theories, and it connects to something that happened in your bar. Listen to this from ABC`s "GMA."

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TACOPINA: They have theories. You know, they`ve gone through in their head scenarios and a list of people, quite frankly. You know, I`ve heard recently they are now looking for an individual who`s a homeless person who was in the area and now has disappeared. You know...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was a person we first heard about right after the incident, correct?

TACOPINA: There was another report I read yesterday.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, OK, so Janice McConnell, the attorney for the parents is focusing in on this homeless person, who was apparently in your bar, spitting on people. But my understanding is that authorities talked to him and decided he is not involved in this case. What do you know, Janice?

JANICE MCCONNELL, ONE-EYED JACK`S TAVERN (via phone): That`s all I really know. I know that they picked him up on Saturday night, and he`s had felony warranties, so he`s in jail for a while now anyway. But they decided that he wasn`t a suspect in the case, and what they basically said was, they just wanted to know, because he`s, in the area, that if he saw anything, and they wanted him for questioning on that. And that`s really all I`ve heard.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Janice, you`re in the area. Now, the attorney for the parents is saying, hey, focus on finding this -- I mean, there -aren`t there helicopters and cops all over the place, searching desperately? They aren`t -- they don`t have tunnel vision, do they, Janice?

MCCONNELL: No, I mean, they`re everywhere. It makes me laugh when I hear people say that the police aren`t even trying to find the baby, and they need to concentrate on that, because I mean, our -this whole area, there`s nothing but police and helicopters and FBI

agents and private detectives. And even on Sunday, they had the...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Thank you. Excellent reporting from a tavern owner.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re looking for a baby. We can`t wait until she gets home.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF BABY LISA: We need her home. I can`t be without her.

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN ALL-PLATFORM JOURNALIST: As soon as this search warrant was issued Tuesday night police showed up here two or three cars at a time barring access from the family into Baby Lisa`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why are we focusing on Debbie? I mean Debbie is the mother, yes, but we should be focusing on her. This is who is missing, you know. Until we find her, you know, nobody is going to know.

BRADLEY: The only thing I can think of is maybe somebody wanted baby and she -- I don`t know what it is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, you know, things aren`t adding up and so you just -- you want to believe that there`s not a crazy person out there who`s taking babies, but you also want to believe the mom too.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Shocking new developments in the hunt for adorable Baby Lisa, the war between Lisa`s parents and the local cops amping up tonight. Police have executed a full-blown search warrant at the missing baby`s house. We`re talking moon suits, CSI; Lisa`s parents, and this is a really significant fact, are banned from this property as you see the cops go in there in their white outfits.

Is all of this a reaction, perhaps, to the finger-pointing at the cops by the family`s hot shot attorney?

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JOE TACOPINA, ATTORNEY FOR BABY LISA`S PARENT: People during the investigation, members of law enforcement -- obviously, some members not all and certainly I`m not going to start identifying which members or which group -- but I think in the questioning of these two people have been a little insensitive. Do your investigation and start right here. Start right here. It`s absolutely normal for them to start right here. But don`t come to a conclusion before you have evidence and then try to look for the evidence.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But the cops say they have not interviewed Deborah

or Jeremy since October 8th because they are not cooperating. That`s 11 days ago. Not to mention the new information Deborah spilled out about her possible alcohol induced blackout because she had probably more than five drinks plus anti-anxiety meds the night Baby Lisa went missing and then she changed her timeline.

So, what are cops looking for inside that house? Give me a holler, 1877-JVM-SAYS.

Straight out to Jim Spellman, CNN reporter on the scene live right outside the home; what have cops found if anything, do you know?

SPELLMAN: Police tell us so far they haven`t found anything significant but this search is still going on. They are in about the ninth hour Jane, of this investigation. It started last night with cars pulling up to stop the family from entering the home. That`s part of the condition of this search.

This morning we saw the CSI crews and other investigators go into this home and they`ve been at it ever since intensely searching inside the home as well as in the backyard using shovels and rakes around the shed. Not sure what they are searching for. And they felt they haven`t found anything significant but they`ve been at it intensely all day, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Deborah Bradley admitted she chug-a-lugged at least five glasses of wine and took anti-anxiety meds which would make it the equivalent of having ten drinks. Listen to this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you drinking that night?

BRADLEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much?

BRADLEY: Enough to be drunk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you were drunk?

A lot of people are going to say Deborah you were drunk that night. Is there any chance you did anything that hurt your daughter that you`re just not telling us?

BRADLEY: No, no, no. And if I thought there was a chance I`d say it. No. No. I don`t think that alcohol changes a person enough to do something like that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right.

Matt Semino, attorney and "Huffington Post" contributor, this alcohol issue puts a very odd spin on the ball in terms of her behavior. It makes her look suspicious, perhaps but maybe she just doesn`t remember and is inconsistent because she was so drunk and messed up.

MATT SEMINO, ATTORNEY: Jane, you raise a very, very important point. I mean I think it leads to greater suspicion of the mother and it also just questions what was she doing? Why wasn`t she looking after her daughter? Also questions of her responsibility towards her daughter.

But yet at the same time you have to understand, these parents, they are missing their child. So their stories may be inconsistent. They may be flustered. And you know, they may not have a willingness to cooperate with the police because, you know, they are afraid.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, they keep saying they are afraid of being arrested. The mother keeps telling people that cops told her she failed a polygraph. But the cops, Mike Brooks, HLN law enforcement analyst, they are not saying she`s a suspect, they are not saying they are about to arrest her. She seems to be pointing the finger at herself and I just don`t understand why.

MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well because she really doesn`t know what happened because she blacked out. And, you know, they are back there today with a search warrant, Jane, it`s one with no-consent (ph) search. We heard from our CNN correspondent who is there on the scene that they got there last night. They kept lights on that whole backyard while he was doing a walk around of the house in the dark so they came back today with local and the FBI evidence response team.

And I`m wondering, Jane -- if Jim is still there -- did you see any stakes at all, any flags in the backyard that would indicate maybe any use of ground penetrating radar at all, Jim?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jim?

SPELLMAN: We haven`t seen anything exactly like -- we haven`t seen anything exactly like that but we`ve seen them using ladders on the inside of the house and on the outside of the house and going back and forth with all sorts of equipment. We haven`t seen them take out anything that obviously looks like evidence but we don`t have the perfect vantage point on the backyard to see exactly what`s happening on the ground level, but shovels, rakes and at it for hours after hours in this area behind the shed in the back -- Mike, Jane.

BROOKS: And, Jane, I can tell you where they`ve got this --

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jim, why are they wearing the suits? Because they are wearing regular shoes; I don`t think they`ve got booties on the shoes. So Mike, why do you think they`re wearing those white suits?

BROOKS: Well, it`s hard to see. It looks like I saw one agent who`s going into the house did have something on his feet. But those are Tyvek suits. Those are what you use if you`re going to work a crime scene. So you don`t want -- because you want to take evidence away. You don`t want to leave any possible trace evidence there that could be from your own clothes, any kind of hairs, fibers, those kind of things Jane.

I didn`t see any shoes there, but when you go inside you might put them on so you`re not bringing it inside from outside. You put them on once you get right inside the door. That`s sometimes what we do or what I used to do.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Now, all of this is happening after police say and they came out and said this that they have been trying to talk to Baby Lisa`s parents and basically the last time -- this is according to cops -- the last time that the parents sat down unrestricted to answer questions that we needed answered was October 8th.

Now there was a point during that interview that she, the mother of the missing baby, became uncomfortable and ended the conversation. They talked to detectives about tips that have come in since the 8th but it`s always on their terms. So Matt Semino, here`s a mother crying hysterically saying she wants to do everything she can to find her child and yet she will not sit down and talk to the cops. What do you make of that?

SEMINO: Absolutely Jane. I mean that is highly suspect. And the fact that they had to execute this warrant for the search of the house without the parents` consent this time, shows that there`s a deterioration in the relationship between the police and the parents and that there is some suspicion there.

That`s really the problem here is that the parents, they are missing their child. They should be cooperating with law enforcement. They should be doing everything they can to help find this child and not try, to you know, legally posture here with the police. They should be using their lawyer to cooperate with the police, from vied as much information as possible to find Baby Lisa.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, everybody is saying hey, why are they talking to the media even though they have allegedly stopped talking to cops? The cops said they tried to talk to them once and they said, "No, we can`t talk to them because we have to do a TV interview." Listen to this.

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BRADLEY: She`s everything. She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family. She means everything to my boys. And we need her home. I can`t be without her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Jim Spellman, they have not allowed the parents back into the house. Do we know where these parents are? Are they hanging down the block or have they disappeared?

SPELLMAN: They`ve been staying with relatives a couple of miles away. Also Jane, don`t forget. Not only have they not interviewed the mother but the two boys that in the home, six and eight years old, if the mother was blacked out they could be a key source of information. Police would love to interview those boys again as well.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Anna, Indiana -- we`re going to the phones -Anna, Indiana your question or thought, Anna?

ANNA, INDIANA (via telephone): I`d like to know who was watching Baby Lisa and the boys while she was gone to the store and how come she has not been arrested for child neglect?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know what? Mike Brooks, that would be a great way to put pressure on the family given that she has admitted that she was rip-roaring drunk watching three kids, the infant that disappeared, the little baby as well as the 6-year-old and an 8year-old boy. Why haven`t they arrested her on child endangerment?

BROOKS: Why arrest her right now? You know, there are some cases -- in the Casey Anthony case -- where I thought maybe they might have arrested someone too early. Let them monitor what they are doing, who they are talking to -- all these kinds of things that might lead them to where the little girl is.

Sometimes, you know, you want to keep your cards close to your vest and not go out there and just lock someone up right away because then they`re going to lawyer up and they`re not going to talk to you at all about anything.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And the other thing that`s kind of disturbing is that the parents, who by the way have not been called suspects by the cops or persons of interest, they keep saying hey the cops should be looking for the kids. Well people in the neighborhood say there`s helicopters everywhere, there`s armies of National Guard, people are looking for these children.

And they thought they may have had a lead on the baby because there were two women who looked suspicious with a child. It turn out that`s a false report. That is not that description of a possible Baby Lisa at a Kansas City deli with two women. Not happening. Ok. That is not a valid tip.

So, you got to wonder what are cops going to do? They are going take this information that they`ve gathered from the home. They`re going to will analyze it. They`ve also got this whole issue of the three cell phones that supposedly were taken along with the baby which a lot of people think are strange. Why would somebody come in and take the baby and three cell phones and nothing else?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The truth will come out. I know it will, eventually. It always does.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re looking for a baby and we can`t wait until she gets home.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, LISA`S MOTHER: We need her home. I can`t -- I can`t be without her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As soon as this police warrant was issued Tuesday night, police showed up here, two or three cars at a time, barring access from the family into baby Lisa`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why are we focusing on Debby? Debby is the mother, but we should be focusing on her. This is who is missing. Until we find her, nobody`s going to know.

BRADLEY: The only thing I can think of is, you know, maybe somebody wanted a baby and she -- I hope that`s what it is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, you know, things aren`t adding up, and so you just -- you want to believe that there`s not a crazy out there

that`s taking babies, but you also want to believe the mom, too.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, as a play-by-play of the night baby Lisa went missing surfaces, cops wrap up a 17-hour marathon search of the adorable 11-month-old`s house. Cops brought in the heavy machinery to search baby Lisa`s house, including a bomb and arson squad and an x-ray machine to scan the walls and the pipes.

So did this massive search uncover any clues? And what were they looking for? Listen to this from ABC`s "GMA."

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BILL STANTON, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: They`re looking for a body or they`re looking for trace evidence, and as am I. I still am looking at them with some suspicion. I have theories where they could have done it, and I have theories where they could not have done it.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Police still have not named any suspects, but information is coming out of the woodwork about the night the child disappeared and about the couple. Listen to this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was definitely just an attention hound. It was like, I couldn`t have other friends around because she would just do things to try to cause a scene everywhere. She would go out with us. We would go out to the clubs. She was drinking, yes, she drank.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Sounds like Deborah was known for knocking back a few drinks. And she`s admitted she was taking anti-anxiety meds, reportedly, and might have had an alcohol-induced blackout on the night her daughter went missing. Could she have forgotten what happened? Could she have forgotten key details? Does she remember anything? Are cops any closer to finding previous Lisa?

I am taking your calls. What`s your theory on this case? Call me: 1877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to Jim Spellman, CNN reporter on the ground, live in the neighborhood. What can you tell us about what the cops have uncovered during their 17 hours in the home, armed with a search warrant and a whole bunch of high-tech equipment, Jim?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Jane, they were out here until 1 in the morning last night. They searched in the house. They searched behind the house. They even had ladders going up and looking into the gutters on the roof of the house. We know they brought in x-ray equipment. That was part of the bomb squad unit that was here.

Police won`t tell us what they found, exactly, and they tell us that they still don`t have any breakthroughs.

We were able to get a close-up view of the backyard and see where they cleared away a wide area behind the garage. We can see all of the debris, the vines and such. They were in the back, in two big piles on either side of it now. Still no word on what they found exactly there, but we do know from police, still no breakthroughs. And obviously, they still haven`t found baby Lisa, the most important part of this story -- Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: There is an amazing article in "People" magazine, "Gone Without a Trace," and there`s some shocking new details in this article. Could this family have had money problems?

Now, we are hearing through the "People" magazine article, Jeremy picked up a side job on the very night that Lisa went missing, and he did not call home to tell Deborah, his live-in partner, and the mother of his child, that he was going to be late, because their cell phone was turned off for nonpayment.

So I am wondering, Steve Helling, staff writer for "People" magazine, A, was this couple struggling financially, and is that why the mother of the missing girl was reportedly on anti-anxiety meds? But if so, why is she going out and buying a box of wine, Steve?

STEVE HELLING, STAFF WRITER, "PEOPLE" MAGAZINE: This is not a rich couple. This is not a couple with a lot of money. And they did have some struggles financially. There`s no question about that. Whether or not that was the cause for her being on antidepressants, nobody really knows. Only she and her doctor would know that.

But what we do know is that the day of the -- this happened, yes, she went out and she was seen on surveillance getting a box of wine. Baby

Lisa was nowhere to be seen. We`re not sure if baby Lisa was being watched by daddy at that moment, because he would have been working, or somebody else. We just don`t know.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, I think the timeline is absolutely fascinating and reveals a lot. During this "People" magazine interview, Deborah Bradley walked "People" magazine through the timeline of the events that night. So put your Sherlock Holmes hat on right now.

4:30 p.m., Deborah goes to the store to buy wine, and by the way, some baby food and baby wipes.

5:30 p.m., Jeremy, the dad, goes to work. Deborah makes dinner.

6:40 p.m., Deborah puts little Lisa, the missing child, to bed. Now, then she begins to drink with neighbors outside on the stoop, drink wine. She admits having probably more than five glasses of wine. And if you add anti-anxiety meds, that supercharges it to something like ten glasses of wine.

10:30 p.m., the neighbor goes home. Deborah goes to bed.

3:45, Jeremy, the dad, comes home from work, finds the window open and the lights on and the door unlocked. And he wakes up his -- the mother of his child, his partner, and says, "Hey, what`s going on here? What the hell`s going on here?" And she jumps out of bed, and they realize that baby Lisa is missing.

And then at 4 a.m., Jeremy calls cops to report Lisa missing.

Detective Kevin Boehm, Kansas City police coordinator for Crimestoppers, what strikes me about this is that, A, do we have any knowledge of when anybody outside the family last saw this child who is now missing, this adorable, then 10-, now 11-month-old child.

We have the family`s word that she put the child to sleep at 10 -- at 6:40, but did anybody else see the child? When`s the last time anybody else, aside from this mother and this father, saw this little child?

KEVIN BOEHM, KANSAS CITY POLICE: Well, I`m really not able to comment on the case right now, because it is an ongoing investigation.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, what`s your theory then, detective? I mean, let me put it this way, Deborah and Jeremy told "People" magazine that the police have told them they have a theory about what really happened that night.

Quote, "The couple say police presented a theory that Lisa had accidentally been harmed and that Bradley panicked and then tried to cover it up."

So, obviously, the cops, Steve Helling, according to your article in "People" magazine, have a theory that maybe she was drunk, something accidentally happened to the child, and she covered it up.

Now, I`m not saying that and the cops aren`t saying that. It`s the mother of the missing child who is saying that. Listen to this from ABC`s "GMA," and then I`ll get your reaction.

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BRADLEY: During an interrogation, we found this -- they showed me burnt clothes. They showed me a Doppler thing with pings from -- that my cell phones, and I`m led to believe at this point that none of that was real. I hope the burnt clothes weren`t real.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Steve Helling, "People" magazine, the mother is telling us that cops have a theory that the child was harmed. She was drunk. She doesn`t remember half of what happened that night. Your thoughts?

HELLING: Well, you know, that certainly -- you know, the police are going to investigate any scenarios that they can come up with. And that certainly would make sense, that it stands to reason that, if she was so drunk that she doesn`t remember what she was doing that night, that perhaps there was some accident that happened. So, of course, responsible police work would be to check that out.

But, you know, the police aren`t really telling us everything that they`re doing right now. There`s a lot going on behind the scenes that should probably come out in the next few days.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me tell you this. From what I`ve learned, police went in there with bomb-sniffing equipment. When I say "there," they went into the home from which the child disappeared, and often you use bomb-sniffing equipment to see through solid objects like walls and floors.

So, obviously, Jim Spellman, you`re there right outside the house. You have all these guys in white suits. Likely, they are doing luminal tests, checking for blood. They are likely doing tests where they are trying to see if anything is buried beneath the floors, buried in the walls. They were going through the backyard with rakes. They are likely looking for -- are they likely looking for a child`s body, Jim Spellman?

SPELLMAN: Well, we, again, we don`t know exactly what they were looking for, but that x-ray equipment is very important. We -- we observed at least dozens of trips in and out of the house, and we weren`t here every moment. So probably hundreds of times they went in with this.

And we do know that that`s what we know that equipment is often used for, to look inside walls, to look inside pipes, things like that.

But they also did spend a lot of attention in this viney area in the backyard behind a shed. We know they took the shovels used in that with them when they left. It looked like they were bagging those up. Perhaps those shovels themselves would be analyzed.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What are they looking for? We`re taking your calls on this: 1-877-JVM-SAYS. A child is missing! The mother says she was drinking and doesn`t remember all the details. What are they looking for? What`s your theory? More baby Lisa when we come back.

We`re going to talk to a neighbor in Kansas City, Missouri, live, who is right there in the middle of this unfolding drama. We want to find baby Lisa. Stay right there.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What do you want to tell that person? Other than dropping them off, what do you want to tell them about Lisa?

BRADLEY: She`s everything. She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family. And she means everything to my boys, and we -- we need her home.

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BRADLEY: We came home and I was -- he said, "She`s not in her crib," and I said, "What do you mean she`s not in her crib?" And I just knew, you know, something was really wrong.

And we ran around the house. And we were screaming for her, and she was nowhere. And then I said, "Call 911, call 911," and he said, "Where are the phones?" And they weren`t on the counter where I left them. They were gone.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: The mother of the missing child crying on television, but cops say that they haven`t had a really useful sit-down interview with them in days and days and days. That the last time that they really talked to them and asked them the questions that they want to ask them was back on October 8!

Why aren`t the parents talking to cops? And they have lawyered up. But they are not considered suspects. Although cops spent 17 hours going through their home with a fine-tooth comb after obtaining a search warrant, a search warrant. We don`t know what the basis of that search warrant was, but you can`t just go into a home unless you have good reason and you outline your theory of the case.

Now, what about their side? Well, during a "People" magazine interview, Deborah, the mother of the missing 10-, now 11-month-old child, gave her theory of what happened that night.

Here`s a quote. "What I think is that someone was watching us, and they saw Jeremy`s van was not there. And that just happened to be that night the window was open."

So the question is, does this family have any proof at all of a stalker? Well, I want to go back to Detective Kevin Boehm, Kansas City Police coordinator for Crimestoppers.

I understand you`ve gotten hundreds and hundreds of tips. Tell us about it.

BOEHM: Well, that`s correct. When the abduction originally took place, we`re basically the repository for that type of information, and to date, we`ve received over 400 tips to our hotline, related to baby Lisa`s disappearance.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: How do you tell if it`s a good tip or a bad tip?

BOEHM: Well, that`s not really our job. We take in the information,

and we forward it on to the detectives that are actually on the ground working the case. They will prioritize that information.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, who are the people who are calling? Who are the people who are calling? Just citizens? They just pick up the phone and they say, "Hey." We know that there was a tip -- that there was a child spotted at a delicatessen a hundred miles or so outside of Kansas City with two women who left, apparently, without finishing their meals. And then, on that basis alone, people said, "That`s very suspicious, but the cops tracked them down, and eh, that`s not a good tip.

So there are a lot of tips coming in, but do they really have anything to do with the case? I think that`s essentially the issue.

I want to go to Kim in Iowa. We`re now going to your phone calls. Kim, Iowa, your question or thought?

CALLER: Yes. I wanted to ask a question, you know, who the mother was drinking with? I mean, I guess they were -- it was her brother-inlaw, maybe, that she was drinking with? But it sounds like there was neighbors that she was drinking with. So I guess I`m just wondering, you know, if they`ve questioned anybody...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, you raise a good point. Now, she is buying wine here, buying a box of wine with her brother, who I believe is about 20 years old.

Now, apparently she doesn`t have a license, so he drove her to the store and drove her back and just left her there, is my understanding. And the person she was drinking with was actually her next-door

neighbor.

I want to bring in an exclusive interview that we have tonight with a woman who lives in the neighborhood, Stephanie Stevens.

First of all, Stephanie, I know this has got to be very difficult for everybody in the neighborhood. Thank you for joining us. What is the mood in the neighborhood tonight?

STEPHANIE STEVENS, NEIGHBOR: Mostly people are in shock, that something like this would happen in this area, because it`s a relatively quiet area.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And do you fear, maybe for your own children? We don`t know what happened. We don`t know who`s responsible, so are people keeping their kids indoors?

STEVENS: No, they`re not. The kids are still out running around, but I think they`re a little bit more vigilant about their surroundings and what`s going on and they`re paying more attention to the people in the neighborhood.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you know -- do you know Deborah Bradley, the mother of the missing child, or do you have any connection at all with this family?

STEVENS: No, I just live up the street from them.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And did you see the cops going into the house?

Have you been there, watching what`s going on?

STEVENS: No, because I work, so I didn`t really -- I just came home to it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, what can you tell us about that? What can you tell us -- what are your thoughts on this? What are your feelings about this entire case? What do you think happened?

STEVENS: I don`t want to judge at this point, because everything I`ve heard and I`ve been hearing is all speculation on everybody`s part. And until the facts come out, I don`t want to comment on that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, on the other side, more.

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JOE TACOPINA, ATTORNEY FOR LISA`S PARENTS: These two people standing behind me are two parents who are grieving every day, every minute, every second for the loss of their daughter. Hopefully she will come back to them. And hopefully she`ll be healthy, and they`ll be able to move on with their life.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: People have been asking, wow, you know, what

went on that night? Police say they don`t have any suspects, but at this point, we know that the dad was working. There is surveillance video of him working on a second job at a Starbucks, and he comes home at 3:45 in the morning.

So, my question is, well, at this point, can`t we rule Dad out? Doesn`t he have an alibi? Listen to this.

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JEREMY IRWIN, FATHER: When I came home from work, the front door was unlocked, most of the lights were on in the house, and the window in the front was open. Obviously, all very unusual. And then I started checking on the kids, checked on the boys first. And then we checked on her, and that`s when we realized she was gone.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jack Trumarco, former FBI agent, people are kind of grouping the mom and dad together, but if the dad`s got an alibi, because he was working, why should we do that, Jack?

JACK TRUMARCO, FORMER FBI AGENT (via phone): Well, Jane, speaking from an FBI or the authority`s point of view, when the FBI`s involved in the case of a missing child, we always polygraph the mother and the father, the last person to have been with the child, and the person who reports the disappearance to the police, because we know that about one third of the time, the case is going to focus right there.

Now, we polygraphed mom and dad to eliminate them from suspicion, but sometimes, just like Susan Smith, they don`t pass. And then we have an investigative focus. Not to -- not to forego any other hot leads, but when someone fails the polygraph test, they`ve got to be your No. 1 suspect.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, very well put. And guess what? The mother in this case has come out and said that the police told her she failed the polygraph. The police aren`t saying that. The police aren`t calling her a suspect. She is the one telling reporters that she was told by cops she failed a polygraph. And it was specifically about where`s the child or do you know where the child is?

Now again, she was drinking heavily that night and may have very well been in a blackout, because she can`t remember whether she even checked on the child, this adorable child, at 10:30 at night.

Meantime, let`s look at other possibilities. Right outside baby Lisa`s house, a very disturbing and very weird sign. Check this out.

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SPELLMAN: This is something that, even in our previous walks through this public area that leads behind baby Lisa`s house, I hadn`t even noticed this until right now.

This is a tunnel, sort of a drainage tunnel. You can see that this is a place where people come from time to time. There`s graffiti here. You can see this sort of graffiti that sometimes associated with kind of a satanic symbol, a pentagram.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Private investigator Scott Ross, what is a pentagram?

SCOTT ROSS, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: The pentagon is just a symbol that`s typically associated with satanic worship. I don`t know exactly or specifically what it means, but can I go back to the polygraph for a quick second?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Quickly.

ROSS: Interestingly, just because the police told her she failed doesn`t mean that she failed. Typically law enforcement is known to misrepresent or lie to potential suspects.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good point.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Baby Lisa`s been missing over two weeks.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is now word witnesses saw something

strange in the street that night and it involves a baby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kind of frightening, actually, because we`ve never really had anything like this going on.

The only thing I can think of is maybe somebody wanted a baby and she, I hope that`s what it is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Seen a gentleman walking up the street carrying a baby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I close my eyes and I see her --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re optimistic that she`s still out there and still alive. And the family prays for her return, her speedy return.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Explosive developments in the baby Lisa case. Shocking new details in this search warrant affidavit. Cops say the scent of death was found in baby Lisa`s home.

Also tonight, three eyewitnesses now claim they saw a man with a baby walking on the street the very night baby Lisa went missing. It`s extraordinary. Listen.

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LISA, WITNESSED MAN WITH A BABY: It was about 12:15. My husband was leaving for work. And we were paying attention. He kind

of stopped and was looking down the street, which was kind of odd. Because normally, he just gets straight into his car and then leaves. At that time, when ever I looked out and I kept watching him, he was kind of looking down in the bushes. And the next thing you know, we seen a gentleman walking up the street carrying a baby.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow, this woman lives only three houses away from little Lisa`s home. And another witness says he also saw a man matching that description carrying a baby three miles away from the home. At about 4:00 in the morning. That`s the same night this child disappeared. The exact same hour baby Jeremy`s dad -- the baby`s dad, Jeremy Erwin, I should say, calls 911.

So, OK, does this confirm baby Lisa`s parents` theory of a baby snatcher, or does new evidence point at them in a possibly game changing revelation? The police affidavit finally reveals why cops got a search warrant for baby Lisa`s house.

It says quote, "The cadaver dog indicated a positive hint of a scent of deceased human on an area of the floor of Bradley`s bedroom near the bed."

I`m taking your calls on this. What`s your theory? 1-877-JVM-SAYS. 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to CNN`s Sandra Endo on the ground at the house with the latest on this shocking new information in the search warrant.

SANDRA ENDO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Jane, it all started Monday when investigators went into the house behind me of baby Lisa. That is when the parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Erwin allowed investigators in, and that is when police say an FBI cadaver dog, as you`ve been mentioning, got a hint of a scent of a dead person inside Deborah Bradley`s home on the floor area around her bed.

That is why they say they needed a bigger search warrant in order to go into their house and explore some more.

Also, in this affidavit for a search warrant, police said that in initial conversations with Deborah Bradley, she said that she didn`t check behind their home for the baby, baby Lisa, because she was quote, "Afraid of what she may find."

So those two basis are the reason why police filed this document in court and asked for a larger search warrant.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Same prosecutor, Stacey Honowitz, a cadaver dog hits on human decomposition in the bearing room where the missing baby`s mother said she passed out after a night of heavy drinking. And three people see a mystery man walking with a baby in 45 degree temperatures the very same night. What is your theory?

STACEY HONOWITZ, PROSECUTOR: Listen, if a cadaver dog is hitting on human decomposition in the bedroom of the house where the baby`s missing, there`s something to it. Especially if that was the grounds to get the search warrant. The search warrant is very telling.

We all saw yesterday on the air, 20 agents with, in hazmat suits going with X-ray machines to check out the walls, to check out the floors because of what the cadaver dog hit on.

And certainly, there have been inconsistent statements with the mother. The idea that the lights were on. A stranger coming in and flipping lights on to take a baby out. It sounds a little suspicious. And I think what`s highly suspicious in this case is the fact that she won`t let two other potential witnesses, her other children, talk to the police officers.

I think that`s very telling. I think the idea when your child is missing, you`re afraid to upset the other two children is a really lousy excuse. So, I think we`re going to have to wait and see. I think the police officers have already spoken to those other three individuals with regard to seeing this person come down, but the idea that it`s --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. But wait a second, Joey Jackson, couldn`t it point to a baby snatcher by the same token? Couldn`t it point to a baby snatcher? The fact that this man is seen walking down the street with a baby.

JOEY JACKSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think it really could, Jane. A couple of things to point out. Number one, with regard to the cadaver dog and the positive hit, we all know that there could be false positives. What does that mean? It means the cadaver dog may hit on something, however, it may not be what they --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s assume for a second it`s an accurate hit.

JACKSON: Oh, well, if it`s an accurate hit, Jane, then obviously it`s problematic, because these dogs, you can argue, are very highly trained. And as a result of their training, they would hit on something that would be or suggest --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What does it show, though? What does it show? OK, you`ve got --

JACKSON: It shows -- it could show that --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The baby possibly dying inside the home.

JACKSON: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And then you have a man walking down the street at around the same time holding a baby that`s naked mostly in 45 degree temperatures.

I want to go out for a second to Steve Moore, who joins me.

You`re a former FBI agent. Can you connect the dots on those two reported events?

STEVE MOORE, FORMER FBI AGENT: Well, if you`ve got a cadaver dog hitting on human decomposition, it would indicate that there was a dead child in the room. Not somebody coming in snatching a child and taking it somewhere else.

The type of things that happen with a kidnapped child do not include killing them at the place you take them. It changes the character. It changes the entire thinking process of the investigation if you believe that the child died in the room.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: How long, if OK -- the affidavit says that they -- I`ll just read it. A positive hit for the hint of a deceased human in the area of the floor of Bradley`s bedroom near the bed. That`s where she said she was sleeping.

How long does it take for a body to develop the scent of death? How long if there was a body, if this hit is accurate, and I know there could be mistakes, but how long would it take for -- how long would the body have to be there?

MOORE: Jane, the studies I`ve looked at say that no dog has ever hit successfully on a scent where the body, where the person or the body had not been dead for an hour to an hour and 15 minutes. That`s the earliest threshold.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And usually?

MOORE: About three hours, they`re going to be fairly accurate.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. So whatever body was there, if I pray it`s not, but if it was this child there for probably at least an hour and 15 minutes, possibly three, maybe more.

Let`s look at the timeline of events from the night baby Lisa went missing, OK.

After buying the wine, Deborah puts Lisa to bed at 6:40. She drinks with her neighbor until 10:30 at night. They`re drinking on the stoop, OK. She says she went to bed not even two hours later.

At 12:15 in the morning, witnesses see a man with a baby walking down the street. Again, it`s very cold. The baby is wearing almost no clothing. 4:00 a.m., another witness says he sees a man matching that description holding a baby three miles away.

This is the same hour, the very same time that the baby`s dad says he has come home from his overnight shift. Doesn`t find the baby and hysterically calls 911.

So, my question is, Bill Grady, reporter KNBZ, you are tracking this case. What theories are developing as to what could have happened between well, either 10:30, when the mother says she went to sleep and 12:15 a.m., or is it possible that the child, we don`t know aside from the parents saying that they put the child to sleep or the mother put the child to sleep at 6:40, we really don`t know when that child was last seen by somebody other than the family, do we?

BILL GRADY, KNBZ REPORTER: No, because the mother has given, according to police, some conflicting statements. Now one of the attorneys in the case, Joe Tacopina, says that may have been because she was under such emotional duress and that may account for the four-hour time lapse.

And so quite honestly, Jane, the investigators here are doing everything they can to sort of firewall this case. And they`re really not saying very much, but I`ve talked to a couple of retired police officers who have expressed some concerns and said that, you know, things

just don`t add up and the way that everything is starting to come to the surface now, it just, the sequence just doesn`t seem to fit. It`s a little disjointed.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But who is this mystery man? We`ll discuss it on the other side.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was just kind of walking at a steady pace, not in a hurry. Then the gentleman actually turned like he was going to go in the grass to go into one of the houses up the street. So, that`s why at that time, we did not think anything of it.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is one of the three witnesses who saw a man walking with a baby, almost naked baby, in the dark, 45-degree temperatures at the very time that baby Lisa is reported missing in the very same neighborhood.

Now I want you to take a close listen to that description of events that night. It`s fascinating.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And then he had the baby in his arms, and he had the baby`s head kind of like this, so we just seen the baby`s arm and then the leg was down here. And he was kind of just like, I don`t know if he was trying to protect it from the cold or if he just, you know, if he was just holding the baby.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, we`re going to go out to the phone lines. They are lighting up.

Lori of New Hampshire? Your question or thought, Lori.

LORI, NEW HAMPSHIRE: Hi, Jane, how are you?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi. Good.

LORI: When I first heard this today, I can`t remember, but when she was in the store buying the wine, it wasn`t her brother with her, didn`t he have a white T-shirt on? And could it be possible that she`s on the baby and got a hold of him --

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we`re going to go to that video. Let`s go to the video.

Excellent, Lori. Let`s go to the video of the mother. There is -- I can`t

tell. No, that`s not a white T-shirt. That`s a black T-shirt. And also, he is not, well, he`s slim. But he`s -- I want to go to the description.

Bill Grady, give us a description, and we`ll put it up at the same time. What`s the description of this mystery man who is seen with the baby? A baby?

GRADY: Well, it`s very similar. He was 5`7" to 5`8", 140 or 160 pounds, and that`s about as specific as folks have gotten, Jane.

And I might add that, again, because the police aren`t actively commenting on the evidence that they`re gathering in the case, but one of the retired police officers I talked with expressed concern that these folks didn`t come forward earlier. The latest gentleman that saw the man with the baby --

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Bill, I`m going to interrupt you for a second because we have a sound bite from the other -- involving the other man. The couple that you heard from, not the only witness. Another man actually offered the exact same or very similar story. Listen to this.

From "Good Morning America."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 4:00 in the morning, 45 degrees. The baby

don`t have a blanket, a coat or nothing. And this guy`s walking down the street. I thought it was kind of weird.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joey Jackson, two people. Three people. Two -- a couple and this other guy. They see a man in a white T-shirt walking down the street with a baby.

Cops hit -- the cadaver dog hits on the scent of death in the mother`s bedroom. She is passed out, drinking. What are some possibilities?

And I`m thinking maybe when she was drunk and in a blackout, she made friends with somebody who came into the house. She passes out and then he leaves with the baby?

JACKSON: Well, you know what, Jane, that`s one possibility, but the only thing is is that would have to be reconciled with what the other expert on the show said, which is how long a body would have to be there for a dog to pick up on the scent.

And so there`s one of two possibilities. Either, A, what you just suggested, right, or B, it was someone completely a stranger who came into the home, carried the baby out and the baby just unfortunately expired and they`re an hour away. So time will tell.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: More on the other side. We`re just getting started.

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JOE TACOPINA, ATTORNEY FOR BABY LISA`S FAMILY: That the truth is going to come out. I know it will eventually. It always does.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re looking for a baby. We can`t wait until she gets home.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF BABY LISA: We need her home. I can`t live without her.

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN ALL-PLATFORM JOURNALIST: As soon as this search warrant was issued Tuesday night, police showed up here two or three cars at a time barring access from the family into Baby Lisa`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why are we focusing on Debbie? Debbie`s the mother, yes. But we should be focusing on her. This is who is missing, you know. Until we find her, nobody`s going to know.

BRADLEY: Only thing I could think of is you know maybe somebody wanted a baby and she, I don`t know --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, you know, things aren`t adding up -and so you just -- you want to believe that there`s not a crazy person out there who`s taking babies, but you also want to believe the mom, too.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Fast breaking developments in the hunt for missing Baby Lisa. Three witnesses coming forward saying they saw a man carrying a baby wearing only a diaper on the very night Baby Lisa disappeared. It`s extraordinary.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was about 12:15. My husband was leaving for work. And we were paying attention -- he kind of stopped and was looking down the street, which was kind of odd. Because normally, he just gets straight into his car and then leaves. At that time whenever I looked out and I kept watching him, he was kind of looking down in the bushes and the next thing you know, we seen a gentleman walking out the street carrying a baby.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Stacey Honowitz, this search warrant affidavit also shows that on October 17th, an FBI cadaver dog was brought into the home and hit a positive hit for the scent of a deceased human in an area of the floor in the mother`s bedroom near the bed.

Now we know that she had been drinking. She admitted she had at least five glasses of wine. She was also, reportedly taking anti-anxiety meds.

Give us some scenarios, Florida prosecutor Stacey Honowitz.

STACEY HONOWITZ, FLORIDA PROSECUTOR: Well, investigators are certainly looking in the scenario involving her. When you have a cadaver dog that comes in and hits on the scent of death, where do you go? Where do you look to?

It`s in the bedroom of the child who is now missing, with a mother whose statements have been inconsistent throughout with things that just don`t add up. The problem with the timeline and these other witnesses is her stories have been changing.

So when these people saw this individual, why they didn`t come forward just doesn`t make sense. There has to be a focus on the parents when a cadaver dog hits. That`s why you saw 20 agents in there yesterday in hazmat suits taking x-rays, checking the walls, looking to see what`s there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right.

Steve Moore, former FBI agent. Ok, add to the fact the mother is riproaring drunk. She blacked out because she doesn`t remember key events, she says. Or maybe she`s not telling the truth about that. But you have to put that into the equation. Could she have passed out, met this guy, passed out and maybe doesn`t know what happened because she was in a blackout?

STEVE MOORE, FORMER FBI AGENT: I would think that if she had remembered anything about meeting a guy and the baby was gone, she would have been screaming about that. I think it`s more likely that something happened while she was unconscious essentially and now, I mean, the person walking with the T-shirt on. They weren`t prepared to walk outside. The baby wasn`t prepared to walk outside. That was spur of the moment. You`re seeing --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you think the baby is dead in this scenario? I pray it`s not. But at the time that it`s being carried? Do you think that the baby is dead?

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MOORE: I think you have to think that that`s a possibility.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where is this baby? I mean, where does somebody take a baby walking in the middle of the night? And my last question and it`s something that we all should think about, if somebody is trying to hide a baby that is deceased, why are they walking along the street for everybody to see? Carrying the baby? Wouldn`t it be just as easy to wrap the baby in a towel and hide it? That`s what I don`t understand unless that individual is also drunk.

MOORE: Panicked.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What.

MOORE: Panicked. They don`t know what to do. They`re drunk and they panicked. They don`t plan it out.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: New surveillance video could bring police one step closer to finding 11-month-old Baby Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`ve seen a gentleman walking up the street carrying a baby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is now word witnesses saw, something strange in the street that night and it involves a baby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, you know, things aren`t adding up and so you just -- you want to believe that there`s not a crazy person out there who`s taking babies. But you also want to believe the mom too.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An FBI cadaver dog got a positive hit in the parents` bedroom near the bed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That baby is pure. And we pray for her protection.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF BABY LISA IRWIN: We need her home. I can`t -- I can`t be without her.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Shocking new video in the hunt for Baby Lisa. Will the surveillance footage from a gas station about two miles away from

the missing 11-month-old`s home unlock this mystery?

Take a look at this adorable child and then take a look at this extraordinary footage. Ok? You`re going to see in the corner right there, a man dressed in white coming out of the woods at about 2:15 in the morning on the very night Baby Lisa is reported missing. This falls right in line with what three eyewitnesses reported seeing. Check this out.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We couldn`t really tell the race at that time. It was dark and the lighting out there isn`t very good to tell somebody`s race. But we were able to see that he was kind of taller. I would say at least 5`8 or taller and he was really slender. He was wearing like dark- colored pants and what we believe was a t-shirt, like a white t-shirt.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: So we`re going to show you an interesting map here. You can see Baby Lisa`s house. Ok, that neighbor who saw, that`s the couple who witnessed the mystery man holding a mostly naked baby, this neighbor`s home. And then they saw the baby, the man with the baby walking down the street at about 12:15.

Then there`s the gas station. Not even two miles away. I believe that was about 2:15 the morning that the mystery man was spotted there. And then you see another witness spots a man with a baby at 4:00 in the morning, about three miles away from Baby Lisa`s house. So this is wild. Do you think this mystery man could be Baby Lisa`s

kidnapper?

Give me a holler if you can -- 1-877-JVM-SAYS.

Straight out to -- I have another exclusive interview for you tonight.

Bill Stanton, the private investigator for Baby Lisa, the family, searching for Baby Lisa. He says his real client is the truth. So, Bill Stanton, what do you think about this mystery man? Could this mystery man be the key to solving this case?

BILL STANTON, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Well, yet to be determined. I think it is compelling. I think the simple fact that you have three separate witnesses all saying something to the effect of they saw someone carrying a child that wasn`t wrapped up in a blanket, that wasn`t necessarily wrapped up in baby clothes is compelling. These three witnesses didn`t know each other.

Now, I`m not the KCPD, I`m not the FBI, I haven`t had exposure to these witnesses. I haven`t followed up and know the validity or their backgrounds. But from what I`m hearing, this is quite interesting. And this falls in directly with the time line that we have been talking about since this first occurred.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, on the other side of the coin, the affidavit saying the cadaver dogs hit on a scent inside the home near the bed, near the bed in the mother`s room. Listen to this, from ABC`s "Good Morning America".

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The dog alerted on one side or the other of the bed. But as you notice, when you walk around, all of the carpeting is intact. That is, it was not cut out, to preserve, whatever it was, that the dog allegedly hit on?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Bill Stanton, private investigator searching for Baby Lisa, here tonight exclusively, what do you make of the cadaver dog hitting on the floor in the mother`s bedroom?

STANTON: Well, you know, I have my own personal and professional theories. I will keep them to myself.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s what we would like to know. Why?

STANTON: Because I`m not the defense attorney. I`m not here to defend the family. I`m here for the truth.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m not suggesting you`re a defense attorney. I just want to find out, what do you think?

STANTON: To me, it doesn`t fall in with the time line. I mean, the people that I have spoken to, that know, that have worked these cases in the past, that have handled these type of dogs, you know, there are a lot of false positives that you know, more times than not, the mistake happened by the handler.

Now let me make note: I`m not questioning the KCPD or FBI, but what I`m questioning is the time line. Tell me when this child was killed and placed on the floor and for how long. You have to remember, there were two boys in the house at the time. So what`s to be said is this mother accidentally or on purpose murdered this child, contained herself, not waking up the children, and left the baby there for enough time for a dog to hit upon it.

For me, my personal feeling is, it did not happen. I`m still -- now, understand, I`m still looking at the family. I`m not totally discounting them. But I have yet to hear credible information or proof that would lead me to them. I`m still -- I have one eye on them, but I am more looking to the outside, other, outside the family. That`s why I want to keep the focus.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, at 12:15. Deborah and Jeremy`s neighbors -- that`s the mother and father of the missing child -- say they saw a man carrying a baby -- a child that was mostly naked -walking down the street. Listen to this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My husband was standing right next to our -we had another vehicle out there. And he was standing at that vehicle. And he was looking, first he was looking down the street and then, all of a sudden, he turned and started -- he was looking at the gentleman because he was walking up that way.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. A final question, Bill Stanton, here tonight

exclusively. How do you get a baby, the mother is drinking. She`s admitted she had at least five glasses of wine, plus according to reports, anti-anxiety meds. How does the baby get from inside her home outside to a man, basically walking with a child, naked in 45 degree temperatures, walking down the road, not hiding? Not hiding in the woods, just walking down the road, where three witnesses have seen this man with a baby and he is also quite possibly spotted on surveillance video at this gas station?

STANTON: Well if you have seen anything I`ve done on air, I work for major networks where I do safety security segments. I have broken into homes in broad daylight. I`ve kidnapped kids right in town squares. And nobody does a thing. So I will tell you, I`ve experienced this. I`ve done it for television. So quite easily, he could have easily gone through the front door or window. So it`s not unheard of. I mean these things do happen.

And what I want to do is keep focus that this baby could very well still be alive and is out there and there is a $100,000 reward. That`s why I`m doing this air.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, we certainly hope and pray that that baby is found alive and ok, and that somehow that mystery man with that child wasn`t doing anything wrong. But it certainly is suspicious and bizarre.

STANTON: Yes it is.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you so much, Bill Stanton.

STANTON: Thank you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Come back soon.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: New surveillance video could bring police one step closer to finding 11-month-old Baby Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We seen a gentleman walking up the street, carrying a baby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is now word witnesses saw something strange in the street that night, and it involves a baby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, you know, things aren`t adding up, and so you just -- you want to believe that there`s not a crazy person out there who`s taking babies, but you also want to believe the mom, too.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An FBI cadaver dog got a positive hit in the parents` bedroom, near the bed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That baby is pure!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And we pray for her protection.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, LISA`S MOTHER: We need her home. I can`t -- I can`t be without her.

Because we`re grieving.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight marks three weeks and more than 900 tips that have piled up in the frantic hunt for missing Baby Lisa. Cops desperately searching for the 11-month-old girl. New, shocking information about her mother, Deborah, is coming out tonight. An exfriend says she thinks Deborah is a con artist. Listen to this.

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SHIRLEY PFAFF, DEBORAH BRADLEY`S EX-FRIEND: I don`t believe her. I just don`t believe her. Because I know she can turn her cry on like that. I know she is a good con artist. A very good con artist.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: But do three eyewitnesses saying they saw a man carrying a mostly naked baby in the dead of night, and new surveillance video, prove that, yes, the baby was kidnapped, possibly

by a complete stranger.

Cops now tell ABC.com, quote, "We need them," meaning the parents, "to sit down apart from each other with detectives and answer tough questions detectives may have for them concerning what they may or may not know about anything: who came and went the night Lisa disappeared. There`s a whole list of things they may know."

All right. That`s the cops. They want to talk to these parents, separately.

It`s been nine days since Baby Lisa`s parents sat down for a media interview, but yesterday we finally heard from Deborah, the missing child`s mother. Listen carefully to what she says.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is it true that you`re getting paid to avoid local reporters?

BRADLEY: Not at all.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then why won`t you talk to us?

BRADLEY: Because we`re grieving.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Grieving? Grieving? That`s the word she used. I thought Baby Lisa was still missing, and her parents were still hopeful to find her alive. Was that a subconscious slip-up? What do you think? Call me, 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to Sandra Endo, CNN reporter, live on the ground at the crime scene.

You were there when Deborah, the mother, spoke. What did you see? What was the reaction?

SANDRA ENDO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It`s very interesting, Jane, because we were in front of the home she`s staying at, which is a relative`s house, just a six-minute drive from her actual home. And we were there when the local reporter yelled out that question and heard those words, "We are grieving."

It was interesting, because we all kind of thought, that`s an interesting choice of words that she used. But, clearly, I`m not a behavior expert, and I`ll leave it up to those people to find out what goes through the mind of somebody who is in this situation.

Now, I can tell you, Jane, that we have talked to the lawyer of the parents, Cyndy Short, who says, "Look, this is a 25-year-old young mother, devoted to her kids, loved Baby Lisa, thought this child was going to bring her family full circle, reunite everyone in this family, and she just loved that baby so much, called her Pumpkin Pie, that she would never do something like this. And of course, is just missing the baby desperately" -- Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Let`s take a look at the timeline. Thank

you for that, Sandra.

Deborah says her daughter, Baby Lisa, was taken from her crib sometime after she put the child to bed at 6:40 p.m. And remember, she`d originally said 10:30, and then she changed her story.

Now, a neighbor says they saw a man walking down the street at 12:15 in the morning, carrying a mystery baby. Then at 2:15 in the morning, there`s gas station surveillance video showing a man that could be the very same man as the mystery man with the baby walking down the road.

Finally, 4 a.m., about three miles from Baby Lisa`s house, a motorcyclist said he sees a mystery man walking around with a baby, as well.

So, I want to bring in Jack Trimarco, a polygraph expert, retired FBI. What do you make of these baby sightings? And I can give you another little wrinkle here. The guy who saw the man, the mystery man with the baby at 4 in the morning, he says cops showed him six photos, and he picked one photo and said, "That`s the man that I saw," but then the other witness looked at the same photo and says, "No, that`s not the guy."

JACK TRIMARCO, RETIRED FBI: Well, Jane, what we`ve got to understand is these are eyewitness identifications. And as we all know, they`re fraught with error. Not -- not to discount them, because the police have to do their investigations, assuming they`ve got a hot lead here, until they can prove that it`s either not accurate or fabricated.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, fabricated. Who fabricates a guy walking down

the street with a baby? I mean, I don`t think you make that up. I don`t think all these witnesses didn`t see anything. I don`t think that that points to nothing there. That`s surveillance video from the gas station. Somebody saw this man. The question is, was he holding Baby Lisa or not?

TRIMARCO: The question is, was he in concert with someone who lives at that house? Or was this an abduction? Was this an abduction with the parents completely uninvolved and unaware? Or is the abductor, if that is the abductor, somehow associated with the parents, and we`re all covering for each other?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And this, Lauren Lake, criminal defense attorney, is why the cops want to talk to these parents separately. And the parents say, well, the detectives have their blinders on, words to this effect. They, within an hour of talking to the mother, they basically accused her of murder. This is according to the family`s reps. "And we want new detectives on this case. We don`t want these same old detectives talking to us." What do you make of that, Lauren?

LAUREN LAKE, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The parents are frustrated. I think when they were first called in for questioning, within an hour, the mother was pretty much accused of doing something to her child.

And I think at this point, they have lawyered up. They have a lawyer, and their lawyer is advising them that you need to get off of defense and pretty much get on offense. Meaning, we set the terms. We`re going to talk. We`re going to cooperate, but we`re not going to get into any type of questioning where they are completely hitting them over their head, disrespecting them, accusing them without foundation. And I think that`s pretty much what we have here.

Unfortunately, in the court of public opinion, it`s playing against this mother and her husband, because most of us feel like, if our child was missing, we`d be waving flags, running around outside, doing whatever we had to do to get information out. It`s just not playing well to the public.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and here`s another thing that might not play so well. Deborah, the mother of the missing child, putting a new look forward. I want you to take a look and decide for yourself, OK?

On the right you can see Deborah right after Baby Lisa was reported missing. And then, take a look on the left at the vigil a couple of days ago. It looks like she`s had, if not a makeover, that at least she`s been to the salon. And then, of course, there`s the original photo of her with her hair pulled back. What do you make of that, Jack Trimarco, if she`s had her hair done up?

TRIMARCO: Jane, when I was with the FBI, working these type of cases, this type of behavior is unheard of. Usually, the mother and the father are concerned about the recovery, the safe recovery of the child, not coifing for the cameras.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, now, speaking of talking to the cameras, we`re hearing from Deborah`s estranged husband. OK, the man that she had this child with who`s now missing is her live-in boyfriend, but she has a husband, OK? The father of her first child, that she is still technically married to. He spoke to NBC`s "Today Show." Listen to what he had to say.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She has always been a good mom. I`m still confused by what`s going on. This is craziness to me.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. So, he`s upset about this.

Sandra Endo, CNN reporter, we`ve got so many different things happening, and one of the biggest things is that cadaver dogs hit on the bedroom of the mother`s house where she was supposedly passed out on the floor, after having at least five glasses of wine, and I think we do have video of the box of wine. And so, you have that aspect, as well. The forensic aspect. What can you tell us about that?

ENDO: Absolutely. In terms of the investigation, Jane, we know that there are 30 to 50 investigators working this case right now. They`re certainly not calling it a cold case. We`re talking about FBI officials and Kansas Police Department.

They did go in there, and they brought in these dogs from Washington, D.C., because Kansas City Police Department doesn`t even have a K-9 unit of its own. So they brought in these dogs, and that is when, as you mentioned, a cadaver dog made a positive hit on the scent of a dead body inside Deborah Bradley`s bedroom on an area of the floor near her bed. And that is why they did an extensive 17-hour search of the home and the surrounding area.

But, if you listen to the lawyer of the family, she went inside the home and showed on video that police didn`t take much. There was no carpet cut out around that area of the supposed hit, so certainly a lot of questions, and of course, police are keeping very tight-lipped about

the details of what they are investigating.

And the bottle of wine we showed you or the box of wine, as it were, that`s from NBC`s "Today Show."

Now, Jack Trimarco, you would think they would cut out the area where they say a cadaver dog hit, but they didn`t cut out the carpet. What does that mean?

TRIMARCO: I don`t think that anything can be drawn from that, Jane. We don`t know where what they found. We don`t know exactly where they found it, but it is a bit away from the norm when a defense attorney goes into the house and starts to criticize the crime scene investigators, what they took, what they didn`t take, at this stage. Perhaps the lawyers should stay with the law and let the investigators investigate the crime.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it seems that there`s a war of words going on between this family and law enforcement. And that`s what`s so confusing, Jack, because everyone`s thinking, well, this mother should just do anything, basically, just offer herself up in any way, shape, or form.

Meantime, let`s get back to this mystery man who was seen holding a baby who was naked in 45-degree temperatures in the dead of night, the night that this child disappeared. There was another witness who saw what sounds like the exact same man as the first set of witnesses, carrying a baby around. This male witness, who was on a motorcycle, saw this man with a baby at 4 in the morning the night Baby Lisa went missing, which is the exact time, approximately, that the dad is calling 911, saying, "Our child has been taken from our home." Listen to this from "GMA".

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Four o`clock in the morning, 45 degrees, baby don`t have a blanket, a coat or nothing, and this guy`s walking down the street. I thought it was kind of weird.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Here is the bizarre part about it. OK, this is the location, right here. You`re taking a look at the actual place where this motorcyclist says he saw a man walking around with a baby at 4 in the morning, at the very same time that the family is calling 911 and saying, "Our baby has been taken."

Now, Lauren Lake, the cops, according to this guy, showed him a photograph, a whole bunch of photographs, and he picked a man out of those photographs. And then somebody got a hold of those photographs and showed it to the first witness, and she said, "No, that`s not the guy at all." What do you make of that?

LAKE: Well, I can`t recall whether the second gentleman, what was his vantage point to the actual...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: He was on a motorcycle.

LAKE: OK. So he was probably a little bit closer than the witness that was looking out of the window. So, you know, it could possibly be just eyewitness differentiate -- you know, it doesn`t matter.

The bottom line is the first guy, the person doesn`t think it looks right, the second one says...

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BILL STANTON, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: I think the simple fact that you have three separate witnesses all saying something to the effect of they saw someone carrying a child that wasn`t wrapped up in a blanket, that wasn`t necessarily wrapped up in baby clothes, is compelling.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: The child`s mother says she wants a new set of detectives before she`ll talk to police, because she feels they`re sort of out to get her. The cops say they are not getting the level of cooperation they need from these parents to solve this case.

Nevertheless, we`ve seen a lot of weeping from Deborah since she first reported her daughter missing. Check it out.

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BRADLEY: He came home and I was -- he said, "She`s not in her crib."

And I said, "What do you mean she`s not in her crib?" And I just knew, you know, something was really wrong. We were running around the house and we were screaming for her, and she was nowhere. And I said, "Call 911, call 911."

And he said, "Where are the phones?" And they weren`t on the counter where I left them. They were gone.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Again, this mother is not a suspect, say police, but her former friend says that Deborah could fake tears. Listen to this.

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PFAFF: She does have a good heart, but then there`s just that other side of her that`s a totally different person you don`t want to be around.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. We`re going to go to the phone lines now. Patty, Colorado, your question or thought, Patty.

CALLER: Hi. Can you hear me?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, I can. Your question or thought, Patty?

CALLER: You can?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, I can!

CALLER: My thought is -- thanks for taking my call and I love watching your show every night.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you.

CALLER: I -- my thinking is, with her, with the mother, that was drinking with a friend -- I don`t know if it was a male or female -- but, anyway, if she had a blackout and she took the baby into her room, because the baby was fussy that night and maybe rolled over, fell on the bed, the dog hit on it.

And then there was a 2:30 call made somewhere with one of those phones, and then the three witnesses that are seeing that they saw this man in a white shirt with a, you know, with a bald head, well, take a look at her boyfriend there. He`s sort of a deer-in-the-headlight look, and she does most of the talking. And he has a semi-bald head. And what if he came home...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, guess what, Patty? I hear what -- I hear what you`re saying, but let`s go back to Sandra Endo, CNN reporter at the crime scene. The caller is asking, well, what`s up with the dad? Does he have an alibi? Tell us if he has an alibi or not.

ENDO: Yes, Jane. By all accounts, we know that the father, Jeremy Irwin, is pretty much cleared in this case, because he did, in fact, have an alibi, as you know, when he came home at 4 in the morning, he

was returning from his night shift, so he was working. As far as the details about his shift that night, it`s still unclear. Of course, police are keeping very tight-lipped on all those details, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But there was surveillance video of him working at a Starbucks, a second job, doing electrical work. However, ten seconds, Jack. We don`t know how long that surveillance lasted or whether he had access to a vehicle. I`m not calling him a suspect, but we have unanswered questions.

TRIMARCO: We have unanswered questions. And they can only be solved by polygraph. We`ve already had a polygraph in this case. If she truly failed, there`s a good reason why she might want different detectives on the case. In this system, in this case, it doesn`t work that way.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you find it suspicious that she wants...

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CYNDY SHORT, ATTORNEY FOR LISA`S PARENTS: This family has cooperated in every way they could possibly cooperate.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is the baby? Seriously, where is the baby?

JEREMY IRWIN, LISA`S FATHER: I came home from work. The front door was unlocked. Most of the lights were on in the house. And the window was -- in the front was open.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It really just takes the one right nugget of information to kick this thing off in high gear, and that`s what we`re looking.

SHORT: Lisa was going the link that was going to hold this family together, link them together.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, LISA`S MOTHER: She`s -- she`s everything. She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family. She -- she means everything to my boys. And we -- we -- we need her home. I can`t -I can`t live without her.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tensions rising in the search for missing Baby Lisa. Are the girls` parents and the police at war?

Good evening, everyone. Jane Velez-Mitchell live in Los Angeles. We`re taking your phone calls on this urgent story tonight.

Kansas City cops say Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, the parents, are refusing to be interviewed separately by detectives about the

circumstances surrounding their precious daughter`s disappearance. OK. Not so, claims their lawyer. Attorney Cyndy Short says being questioned separately is just not the issue. Oh, really? Well, she says Deborah and Jeremy do not mind speaking individually to police as long as the detectives are fair and open-minded. Listen to this.

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SHORT: There`s some detectives that really have a broken trust. And so there is -- it`s going to be counterproductive to try to sit down with those detectives again. So it would be better to bring in some detectives who are fresh-eyed, fresh-eared to listen to the parents, and the parents, I think, would feel more comfortable and less afraid.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Others say well, parents shouldn`t get to choose which detectives they talk to.

The other big development tonight, Baby Lisa`s half brothers, ages 8 and 6 or 5, according to some reports, they -- they are going to be reinterviewed by the cops on Friday. The boys will talk to a specialist from Child Services who is trained to interview them.

Now the boys were interviewed only once before, right after the baby vanished, and ABC News is reporting police will take DNA samples from the boys.

What are your feelings about this real terrible mystery? Where is this precious child? Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297. We want

to find Baby Lisa.

Straight out to CNN reporter Jim Spellman, live in Kansas City at the crime scene.

Jim, what do we know about this interview with the two boys -- and I`ve heard ages 5 or 6 and 8 -- who were in the house the night Baby Lisa vanished?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, it`s been three weeks since police have been able to speak with them, and they`ve learned so much since then, that 17-hour search here of Baby Lisa`s home last week. They chased over 900 tips. They need -- they need cooperation and information from the family to help with those leads and to help with the investigation. Maybe they`ll get it Friday.

They have -- the family now is comfortable with this social worker that they won`t be in an interrogation but it will be these specially- trained people. People insist that it will -- that that -- it will be under those circumstances. There are detectives there in the room. Police really need help from the family here. They`ve chased down all the leads, done all the searching so far, and they`ll continue to do it.

But without information about what happened that night, especially from those boys, since mom says she was drinking and that could be really vital in propelling this investigation forward, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And the other huge development: a cadaver dog hit on the rug in the master bedroom where Baby Lisa`s mom says she fell asleep, i.e. passed out after drinking at least approximately five glasses of wine. Her attorney spoke to "The Today Show."

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JOE TACOPINA, ATTORNEY FOR DEBORAH BRADLEY: What a cadaver dog looks for, smells for, is decomposition of human remains, and decomposition of human remains, is what -- when they say they discovered a dead body or scented a dead body, that`s what they`re smelling, decomposition of human remains. And what could that be, aside from a dead body and skin peeling, it could be fecal matter. And fecal matter, as we all know, is often found in the diaper of a 10month-old baby. So, you know, it could be toe nails that, you know, you clip on your bed and hit the rug or something. That is decomposition of human matter. So, you know, it could be one of many, many things.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: So what did one of those two boys see in that bedroom that night? Now, we`re told the mom fell asleep or passed out with the youngest boy, age 5 or 6. We`re getting conflicting reports. So I want to bring in Cheryl Arutt. You`re a forensic psychologist. How does this child expert, who`s talking on behalf of the cops, asks a little boy, age 5 or 6, whether the child saw a dead body on the floor?

CHERYL ARUTT, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, school-age children need to be interviewed very, very carefully. First of all, the authority that the parents have or other adults have can make a child very afraid to say or do the wrong thing or what they think is the wrong thing. Particularly if a parent or somebody said, "You better not tell them this, or say that." And a child can be very concerned about that.

One of the ways that experts can interview a child without leading them is by pretend play, using dolls, using things to say, "Show me what happened," and having the child act it out in play.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So they`d have a baby doll, and then they`d say, "Did you see this baby doll on the floor?" And maybe point to a floor which would be equivalent to where the cadaver dog hit on the scent of death.

ARUTT: Yes. They say, "How did this happen? Show me what happened?" And they may have a doll that represents mommy and they may have a doll that represents the baby. And then kids can best act that out and show them.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The attorney for the mother of the missing child, Deborah Bradley, and the child`s father, the missing child`s father, Jeremy Irwin, they`re disputing the notion that the couple is avoiding talking to police. Listen to this.

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SHORT: This family has cooperated in every way they could possibly cooperate. I think we`ve calculated that over time, she has actually spent approximately 40 hours talking with investigators.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. By the way, we are taking your calls. We`re going to put out the number again.

Dylan Howard, senior editor, Radar Online. There seems to be war between these parents and these cops. What do you know?

DYLAN HOWARD, SENIOR EDITOR, RADAR ONLINE: The Kansas City police captain is under no illusion what he wants from the parents. He says he wants tough questions answered, and he says detectives need them answered. They want them to submit to those interviews, and they want tough questions.

That doesn`t go well for the parents of Baby Lisa. So clearly, police are saying they want this, and they want this done sooner rather than later.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tom Ruskin, former New York City police detective and investigator, how do you talk to a 5- and an 8-year-old child about Mommy being drunk and passing out, and finding out some of the key answers that maybe the parents are not revealing -- or maybe they are -- about who else might have been in that house?

We know that a mystery man was seen walking around town the night that the child disappeared, holding what appeared to be a naked baby. We don`t know who that mystery man is.

How do cops glean important information about a mystery stranger possibly being in the house from these kids?

TOM RUSKIN, FORMER NYPD DETECTIVE: Well, the 8-year-old would be much more helpful than the younger child, 5 or 6.

You also have to be very careful what kids tell you, because kids can

also role play in a way and change their story during the same interview. The person who`s interviewing them has to be very well trained, either a forensic psychologist or a child psychologist or a social worker, has to be working with the police. The police have to give a lot of briefing materials to that person to help them gear the child in telling the story of what may have happened or what they may have remembered.

Now, remember it`s also going to be important to see where the kids were at given times during the night. The mother may have been so inebriated she may not have even known where these two boys were.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, she claims she passed out in bed, holding the youngest son, who`s been described as 4, 5 or 6, along with a stray cat that was discovered sleeping in the bed by the father when he came home from his overnight shift.

Now, the mother actually snapped at a reporter who asked if she was ducking the media. And listen closely to what the mother of this missing child says. Very carefully.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is it true that you`re getting paid to avoid local reporters?

BRADLEY: Not at all.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then why won`t you talk to us?

BRADLEY: Because we`re grieving.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Steve Greenberg, a criminal defense attorney out of Chicago, thank you for joining us tonight. What do you make of this case that the parents sort of negotiating with cops about the terms that they want to sit down and tell them what the cops need to know to find this child?

STEVE GREENBERG, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I don`t know if they are going to tell them what the cops need to know to find the child, because as you said, the mother has already spent 40 plus hours, at least according to her attorney, talking to the cops. And the cops obviously don`t believe what the mother said, probably don`t believe what the father said, probably don`t believe some stranger was walking around town with a baby. It`s clear they`re the focus of this investigation.

And as a criminal defense lawyer and as potential criminal defense, you`ve got two things going on. You`ve got the public track, which really is irrelevant in the courtroom. And then you`ve got to worry about protecting your client from possible criminal charges.

Babies don`t just disappear. They don`t just vaporize into the middle of the night. You know, just vaporize in the middle of the night. So something happened in that house. They haven`t found any evidence that the police believe is credible that someone broke into the house. You`ve got to look at the parents. If I was advising those parents I would tell them to say nothing.

We saw the Freudian slip in the clip you just played. Wait, "We`re grieving." We`re grieving, that can come back and haunt you. Why would you say "grieving" if nothing happened, if the kid was kidnapped, if the kid was with someone else?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but we have to point out that cops are not calling these parents suspects or persons of interest. So we`re not saying they`re involved. We just would like to have answers to questions. They, in fact, are the ones who keep pointing at themselves, saying cops think we had something to do with it.

So the cops really haven`t said anything about this case.

I want to thank my fabulous panel.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To pull out at the last minutes, and we find out, as you mentioned, that the local attorney is no longer on the case, obviously, a lot of confusion and chaos.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The reason is because the children might say something that could implicate Mom. That`s the most logical reason. Because these kinds of interviews happen all the time. The interviewers are specifically trained to work with children.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did anything look out of place other than her not being there?

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF LISA: No. No, it`s like they just walked in and disappeared.

JEREMY IRWIN, FATHER OF LISA: Took all of her things and our phones so we couldn`t call anybody.

JOHN WALSH, HOST, "AMERICA`S MOST WANTED": It doesn`t disturb me that family`s lawyer, but it bothers me when people won`t do interviews.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Something is really wrong with Mom and Dad in this case, and I`m afraid that it probably is going to end up being something that led to the death of the child. I hate to say.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Breaking news in the search for Baby Lisa, and we are taking your phone calls.

Good evening, everyone. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live from Los Angeles. It has now been 18 days since anyone has seen adorable, precious Baby Lisa Irwin. Look at that little smiling face. Where is she?

Tonight, three dramatic new twists in this story. Late last night, the

Kansas City police, we`re told by reps from the missing child`s family, that the Baby Lisa`s brothers -- one is 8 years old, the other 5 or 6 -would not be interviewed by authorities today, as had been planned all week long. No explanation offered as to why not. Why not? Let the kids talk to the cops.

Cops were also hoping to get DNA swabs from those boys, but it looks like that is not happening either.

Also, Kansas City lawyer Cyndy Short no longer represents Baby Lisa`s parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin. This woman, the lawyer, OK, off the case. No explanation why. There`s been word that she was fired by the lead attorney, New York hot-shot lawyer Joe Tacopina, but she denied that to "The Kansas City Star," saying Tacopina is in no position to fire her, that she works for the family, not him.

And then there is this huge news about one of the cell phones that Baby Lisa`s parents claim was taken along with their child. Apparently, somebody used that cell phone that night. Listen to what this woman, who says she got a call from that cell phone that was taken from the house told "GMA." Check this out.

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MEGAN WRIGHT, RECEIVED CALL FROM IRWIN PHONE: I received a phone call, my phone did, the night that Baby Lisa went missing. It was apparently a 50-second phone call. I don`t know who answered it or what was said or who was on the other end of the phone.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: This case is getting stranger and stranger by the minute and still no sign of that adorable, helpless, 11-month-old girl. What do you think is going on? Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS. That`s 1877-586- 7297.

Straight out to CNN`s Jim Spellman, live at the crime scene in Kansas City, Missouri. Jim, what`s the latest on this mystery phone call? It`s bizarre.

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, we know that the night that Baby Lisa went missing that her parents also reported three cell phones were gone. Police have confirmed that that night a call was made from one of those phone calls. Today, a woman named Megan Wright came forward and said she got the call, but she doesn`t know the family. Very mysterious. Definitely something investigators here are focusing on.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Deborah, the mother of the missing child, claims three cell phones, as you just heard from Jim, were taken from the family home at the very same time that Baby Lisa was reportedly allegedly kidnapped, OK.

The very night of Baby Lisa`s disappearance, the stranger with the pink hair says she gets a 50-second phone call from an unidentified individual. This woman says she doesn`t know this family. She`s never seen Baby Lisa until the news broke that she was missing. Again, listen to this from GMA.

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WRIGHT: And I told him that I`d been through the neighborhood with

my ex-boyfriend. I`ve been through there. Didn`t know the family. Didn`t recognize the pictures. Had never seen Baby Lisa until I saw her picture on the news.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Joe Gomez, news reporter, KTRH, I`m also hearing a bizarre thing that she and her ex-boyfriend were walking around the neighborhood that night. And that cops have interviewed this particular woman with the pink hair who says she got the mystery phone call from the cell phone that was taken allegedly, reportedly, with the baby. She says the cops had talked to her how many times?

JOE GOMEZ, NEW REPORTER, KTRH: Several times, at least, Jane. You`re right. That is very strange.

You know, additionally, people around the neighborhood say at the same time that Baby Lisa was reported missing, a strange man was walking around the neighborhood with a half naked baby, just a baby in a diaper at 4 a.m. in the morning on this frigid night. So there`s a lot of strange parts of this case, Jane, that are barely coming to the surface.

Like you mentioned, Baby Lisa`s family are refusing to allow Baby Lisa`s brothers to be interviewed by the police. Why not? What have they got to hide? Police cadaver dogs found a -- they got a dead body hit at Baby Lisa`s house. A lot of these facts that are adding up, Jane, do not paint a good picture for the family, I got to say.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you mentioned that. Some people are saying now and suggesting that it seems like Baby Lisa`s parents are more

concerned with protecting themselves than finding their precious missing child. I mean, who wouldn`t offer the kids to talk? They did, and then they pulled them back. Why? Listen to this.

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WALSH: It doesn`t disturb me that families lawyer up. The Ramseys did, because they kept saying, "Why aren`t you looking for somebody else?" But it bothers me when people won`t do interviews. Trust me: when your child is missing -- I said it many times. If Adam`s kidnapper, and it was a serial pedophile, I would have stood in Times Square naked and took a bullet and did every interview to trade my life for that little boy`s life.

If people aren`t cooperating, if they`re not doing interviews, then you`ve really got to say, you`ve forgotten who the real victim here is. Baby Lisa is the real victim.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, John Walsh, one of my heroes, and he makes an excellent point.

Now, Eric Chase, criminal defense attorney, take a look at this. Along with three different people who said they saw a mystery man in a white T-shirt walking around with a baby the night that Baby Lisa disappeared and this baby was naked in 45-degree temperatures, surveillance video from a gas station in the area spots this. And is this the same person? Is this a guy? Does that person have a baby? Who knows.

But you`ve got so many factors here that are really bizarre. I mean, it`s out of some kind of horror movie, and yet, it`s all too real. What do you make of it?

ERIC CHASE, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, this is one of the strangest situations I`ve ever seen at this stage of a case. You`ve got so much going on, and this Megan Wright who got this phone call, who doesn`t know who they got a phone call from? She says she got a 50second phone call. Apparently, the call was answered. It`s her phone. It`s in her pocket. The phone wasn`t somewhere else, somebody else answering.

I think what the police suspect is that she got a phone call from somebody who stole the phone at the same time they took the baby. And I don`t think she came forward on her own and said, "Hey, look, I got this phone call." The police tracked her down. They ran the was (ph), got the downloads from these phones, identified her as receiving this phone call, and went and interviewed her.

So the question becomes how is she involved in the case? It`s unbelievable to me that you would have somebody who says, "I don`t know the family. I don`t know anything about this case. I got this 50second phone call. I don`t know who from. I don`t even know who answered the phone." It just doesn`t ring true to my ear.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, a couple of things that seem odd, Pat Brown, criminal profiler. A, that she gets a 50-second phone call and doesn`t apparently have a conversation. We don`t know if this person is male or female. Did the person have an accent? Did the person -- was it a woman? As I just said, male or female. We don`t know anything about it. But if you`re on for 50 seconds on a cell phone, you`re going to end up with some clues. And so she gets this number.

Now, you`re right. Police have had to have tracked her down because how would she know that she got a phone call from the missing cell phone -- Pat.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Right, exactly. I mean, there`s a lot of possibilities here, so I think the police are trying to, you know, really look through all of them. It could be that they did have some involvement. And one who was involved called the other with a stolen cell phone, and they`re not admitting that.

It`s possible that those cell phones were left some place in a public area where somebody said, "Hey, cool, cell phone." And another possible. Wait, this is what I don`t understand. Didn`t the family say that none of the phones worked, because they hadn`t paid the bills, so they were not functioning phones? Why are they saying that...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. That`s what I heard.

BROWN: ... if this phone can be used, so that`s not -- that`s not true. That`s a lie.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Whoa. Fascinating. That`s a very good point.

Now, the phone lines are lighting up. Nancy, Florida, your question or thought, Nancy.

CALLER: Thanks, Jane. Yes, I don`t understand why the parents even have the right to refuse to talk to police or refuse their children in a case like this. Seeing as we went through Casey Anthony like this. I mean...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Eric, briefly.

CALLER: I mean, to avoid this is beyond my comprehension.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, morally, it`s a question, but what about legally?

CHASE: The parents have a right not to have their children interviewed. And I don`t think that part is that bad yet. Look, a new lawyer`s gotten on the case. They fired their first lawyer. Apparently, she was thrust upon them. She`d been a lawyer for the family for some time. They wanted a lawyer they liked.

And for that lawyer to call the police and say, "Hey, look, I want to figure this case out first before I start letting things happen," hopefully, those kids will be talking in the next couple of days. If this is one or two days it doesn`t bother me...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s been since October 4, a day after she disappeared is the last time the cops talked to them, the older brothers, who were reportedly in bed with the mother when she passed out from drinking at least five glasses of wine. And a cadaver dog hit on the floor of that bedroom, and the kids said they heard a noise.

We`re taking your calls: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297. New developments in the search for a missing American woman, a beautiful woman who vanished in Aruba. I`m going to talk exclusively to her boyfriend.

Plus, more on Baby Lisa.

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BRADLEY: Please, please, please call the TIPS hotline if you know where she`s at. And if you have her, please just take her somewhere safe. No questions asked. Just drop her off with somebody at a hospital, a church, the fire department, the police station, anywhere. Just please bring her home.

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STEVE ROGERS, NEW JERSEY COP FORMERLY WITH THE JOINT TERRORISM TASK FORCE: In our line of work, when children are involved and are going to be interviewed, they normally don`t lie. They will come right out and tell you everything that went on in a particular place where an incident occurred.

Secondly, may I add that if people are involved that the children know and they were given a script, maybe they`re not sticking to the script and as a result, these interviews are getting canceled.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is it true you`re getting paid to avoid local reporters?

BRADLEY: Not at all.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then why won`t you talk to us?

BRADLEY: We`re grieving.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, there`s a mother saying, "We`re grieving." Poor choice of words? Freudian slip?

Now the mom says she put her baby into the crib at 6:40 p.m. She originally told cops she put the baby down around 10:30. She admits she drank heavily that night after buying a box of wine, probably more than five glasses of wine. Plus anti-anxiety meds, according to some published reports.

12:15, a neighbor reports seeing a mystery man walking around holding a baby in the neighborhood.

2:15, gas station surveillance video shows a man walking past.

Now, 4 a.m., a witness on a motorcycle sees a man walking around holding a baby, naked.

I don`t know what the heck to make of it, Pat Brown, but here`s the thing. I`m trying to think, myself, OK, I`m at home. And I`m in

recovery. I haven`t had a drink in 16 years. But you`re at home, you`re drinking more than five glasses of wine. You`re also taking anti-anxiety meds. Often, people have a party when they`re drinking. Now, she was drinking with the neighbor on the stoop. The neighbor leaves at 10:30.

The father is off -- the father of the baby, working the overnight shift for the first time. It was the first time. So does Mom decide, hypothetically speaking, "Hmm, this is an opportunity to party. Who can I invite over or who might just happen along"? That`s certainly a possibility when somebody`s -- and how about, well, if there`s alcohol and anti-anxiety meds, could there be other drugs involved? Is it a fair question, Pat?

BROWN: Well, yes, it`s a fair question, Jane, but what`s interesting is the family, the parents said that they already gave like nine people that are possibilities and they`ve all been alibied. They really had to struggle to think of who these people can be.

Now, if you`ve been -- if you`re drunk at your home to the point where you can`t remember half of what happened, but you know there were people there, you would -- first thing you`re going to think of is "Oh, my God, maybe one of those people did something to my kid." That should be a response.

And something else that`s really weird. When we talk here about that baby being carried about in the cold, now Baby Lisa had -- she had a little congestion. She had a cold that night. And one thing I haven`t heard from the parents, again, is "Oh, my God. Somebody saw my baby being carried around in the cold air? I`m so worried she could have pneumonia by now. You know, we`ve got to find her. Somebody could have -- you know, she could be sick." I haven`t heard that worry. It`s almost like they`re ignoring those sightings, which concerns me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And why would somebody walk off with a baby in the dead of night? What occurs to me, only, is if you were getting drunk and messed up with somebody else and you got into a big fight with them. And that often happens when you`re drinking. And then the person wants to stick it to you and get even with you for something you may have said. What is the worst thing they could possibly do? Walk off with your baby and take your cell phones so you couldn`t track them down. I`m just saying, it`s a possibility.

Out to the phone lines again. Pearl, New York, your question or thought.

CALLER: Hi.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.

CALLER: I`m interested in the mother`s brother. He looks very similar to the man that they saw walking around with the baby. Perhaps something happened to the baby and the mother called the brother to come get the baby and gave him the cell phones. Has anybody interviewed the brother?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, Joe Gomez, you see right here. We`re looking at the mom purchasing a box of wine earlier in the evening with the brother in the dark T-shirt. But my understanding is that the person who`s walking around with the mystery baby later that night is wearing a white T-shirt. What do you know, Joe?

GOMEZ: We don`t know, obviously. Obviously, we don`t know if there`s any kind of link between the brother and this mystery man

who`s walking about, possibly carrying this baby only in a diaper in the middle of the night in 45-degree weather.

But right now, police haven`t made any connection like that, Jane. Right now this mystery man, we`re looking at him as an individual suspect. We don`t even know who he is or where he is or what he`s doing in the neighborhood. We do know that there was -- there were reports of a homeless man in this neighborhood, as well, doing some kind of handy work. Is that this homeless guy, who`s just wondering around? Does he have something to do with Baby Lisa`s disappearance, Jane? These are questions that we`re still trying to figure out.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s listen again to Baby Lisa`s parents describing what happened when the dad got home from work early in the morning Tuesday, October 4, and finds no Baby Lisa.

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BRADLEY: I woke up and he came home, and I was -- he said, "She`s not in her crib."

And I said, "What do you mean, she`s not in her crib?" And I just knew, you know, something was really wrong. And we were running around the house, screaming for her. And she was nowhere, and then I said, "Call 911, call 911."

And he said, "Where are the phones?" And they weren`t on the counter where I left them. They were gone.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Again, Pat Brown, when you are drunk, you are likely to allow people that you don`t know, who may be dangerous, into your home and maybe call them to get something from them. Ten seconds, your thoughts.

BROWN: Well, I`m just worried about the fact that that doesn`t seem to be who the family is pointing to. That we had a wild -- some wild party went on.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Got to leave it right there.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Something is really wrong with Mom and Dad in this case. And I`m afraid that it probably is going to end up being something that led to the death of a child, I hate to say.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is putting puzzle pieces together here, you know. My suspicions, my own personal theories of what may or may not have happened that night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He turned and looked at me, and I looked at

him. I could tell he had a baby with him. She had a T-shirt and either training pants or a diaper on. It was too cold for that, I thought.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hope they find whoever did it. I hope those parents weren`t involved.

MEGAN WRIGHT, RECEIVED PHONE CALL FROM MISSING PHONE: Apparently, there was a 50-second phone call made from one of the parents` phones to my cell phone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really just takes the one right nugget of information to kick this thing off in high gear, and that`s what we`re still looking and waiting for.

CYNDI SHORT, FORMER ATTORNEY FOR BABY LISA`S PARENTS: Lisa is the little girl that was going to hold this family together, that linked them together.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, BABY LISA`S MOTHER: She`s -- she`s everything. She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family, and she -- she means everything to my boys. And we -- we need her home. I can`t -- I can`t be without her.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Shocking, extraordinary twists and turns in the hunt for missing Baby Lisa.

Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live from Los Angeles.

The 11-month-old vanished from her crib almost a month ago. Now there are a whole bunch of new clues and new leads. We hope they will lead to Baby Lisa. Has the man carrying a baby down the road at 4 a.m., less than four miles from Baby Lisa`s house, now been identified? Let`s listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was that the man you saw?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know who that is?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. I don`t know him.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Music.

Now that man has been identified as a man who lives in the community. But he is not the homeless handyman who was originally questioned by police. That`s another individual. We`re going to get to him in a moment.

So who is this mystery man who was seen holding a baby? Now let`s speak about the handyman. There`s another shocking twist there. The

woman who got a phone call, OK, from one of the stolen cell phones that was reportedly taken from the home of the missing child, that woman is not a random connection to this case, as we first believed. Listen to this.

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WRIGHT: He`s an ex-boyfriend of mine. We dated for about five months. I met him when I lived further down on Brighton. He was just a friend of a friend. He and I were together for, less than five months. After I ended up moving in here, we broke up shortly afterwards, and at least a couple weeks before (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They call him Jersey, right?

WRIGHT: Yes, he goes by Jersey.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: So let`s take a look at the connections. You have Deborah Bradley, the missing child`s mother. Her purportedly stolen cell phone was used to call the woman with the pink hair, Megan Wright.

Then have you a romantic relationship between Megan and this homeless man who does work in yards in the neighborhood, John Tanko (ph), who goes by the name Jersey. So can we connect the dots? Is there a relationship between Deborah and Jersey? This homeless man.

And then what about this other man who lives in the community, who a man who was driving his motorcycle at 4 a.m. said was a man holding a baby. Is there a connection? All of this happening in the same general area.

What do you think about this? There is really bizarre. Call me: 1- 877JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to CNN reporter Jim Spellman, who is on the ground doing some fantastic reporting talking to all of these parties, really putting the pieces of the puzzle together. Can you spell it out briefly and simply, all these new people, and what their possible connections are?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I mean, they all connect right back here pretty much to this intersection, where Deborah Bradley, Jeremy Irwin lives and where Baby Lisa disappeared from.

We know that -- that this woman, Megan, and Jersey, spent time in this neighborhood. We know that Jersey cut through a yard often, a yard where we now know police have taken footprints, and it leads right from where one witness saw a man at 12:15 in this neighborhood lead straight to where there was a Dumpster fire reported at 2:30. So there`s a lot of geographic connections and a lot of interpersonal connections. But we`re just not able, really, to tie it back to Deborah Bradley or Jeremy Irwin directly at this point.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, let`s go through the time line, because it`s a very complicated story now. But here`s what we know from the night that Baby Lisa disappeared. Her mom, Deborah Bradley says she goes to the store and buys a box of wine and says she put the baby to sleep around 6:40 p.m. on October 3. Then she and a neighbor had been drinking. And the neighbor says that -- another neighbor says she and her husband saw a man with a baby, a man

holding a baby, walking down the street at 12:15 in the morning.

Two hours later, 2:15 a.m., a gas station surveillance camera catches man, matching the same description with a white T-shirt walking down the road. Finally, a man on a motorcycle says he saw a man carrying a baby, a baby that was wearing only type diaper in 45 degrees temperature, walking down the street at 4 in the morning, just about three miles from Baby Lisa`s house.

Now, we have this bizarre connection about this woman with the pink hair who got the phone call having a relationship with the handyman that cops had questioned in the case.

And Jim Spellman, is it not true that the handyman was doing work just around the corner from where the baby disappeared, and that the place that he was doing work is very, very, in a direct line to a garbage dump that was set on fire at 4 in the morning -- Jim.

SPELLMAN: At 12:15, somebody walking up the street says that person then turned left off of the street and walked into a yard. In that yard, where this person walked, we know that this handyman, John Tanko, a.k.a., Jersey, was doing work that evening in that timeframe of about 9:30 to about 11. The next-door neighbor tells us that he was working for this family, moving sprinklers around on some fresh grass seed.

If you walk right through that backyard to the fence of that backyard, you are looking directly at the Dumpster that was set on fire. The geography is tricky, but it`s very important here, I think, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. And then, we have another suspicious fact.

We`ve got to set it up, and then we`re going to get the analysis.

A 50-second phone call that the woman with the pink hair, Megan Wright, got from Deborah Bradley, the missing baby`s mother`s cell phone, that Deborah Bradley said was stolen from her house, Megan says she has in idea who called it or who answered it. Listen to this.

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WRIGHT: I didn`t hear my phone in time, but apparently, there was a 50-second phone call made from one of the family`s phones to my cell phone. About 50 seconds in length. I don`t know what was said or who called or who answered my phone. But that`s what the police have been questioning me about.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So -- so the police told you that this happened?

WRIGHT: My phone -- we have eight people that live here and only one cell phone at the time, so it was pretty much community, whoever needed my phone.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Steve Moore, former FBI, house full of eight people and it`s a prepaid cell phone, because that`s cheaper. And then she tries to sell a GPS device, and she lists that same phone number, apparently, and a whole bunch of FBI agents swarm in to interview her for six hours. What do you make of this mess?

STEVE MOORE, FORMER FBI: Well, what I make of it is that the whole case is falling into place for Kansas City Police, for the FBI. You`re getting such an avalanche of clues coming in, of connections coming in, that I think it is collapsing.

And I think that the police in Kansas City have more than a hunch. They polygraphed the mother but then said that they didn`t need to polygraph the father, which to me says they`ve got more than a hunch. They`ve got a theory as to how it happened and when it happened. I think - - I think you`re going to see things moving fairly rapidly very soon.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And let`s remember, a couple of other facts. The mother admits she was drunk and had at least probably five glasses of wine and was taking anti-anxiety meds. And the cadaver dogs hit on the scent of a dead -- dead human in her bedroom.

We`re taking your calls: 1-877-JVM-SAYS.

On the other side of the break, we`re going to talk to one of my heroes, Erin Runnion. Her daughter was viciously murdered, and now Erin has taken her grief and turned it into action. She`s going to weigh in on this case, coming up in a moment.

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JEREMY IRWIN, BABY LISA`S FATHER: I came home from work, the front door was unlocked. Most of the lights were on in the house. And the window was, in the front was open. Obviously, all very unusual. I started checking on the kids, checking on the boys first. And then went and checked on her and that`s when we realized she was gone.

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BRADLEY: He said, "She`s not in her crib."

I said, "What do you mean she`s not in her crib?" And I just knew, you know. I something was really wrong. And we were running around the house, and we were screaming for her, and she was nowhere. And then, I said, "Call 911. Call 911."

And he said, "Where are the phones?" And they weren`t on the counter where I left them. They were gone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Definitely, you could tell they were probably in drugs. She was shady (UNINTELLIGIBLE). But he was a nice guy.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you heard the issue of drugs come into the equation. That`s a woman who lives in the neighborhood, who says she knows this handyman, Jersey, who by the way, cops say is not a suspect. He`s behind bars on some kind of burglary allegation. But he is not a suspect, they say, in this case. But he`s in the neighborhood, according to this woman, that night. She thinks so, because he`s turning on and off sprinklers for a home that he watches.

And he used to go out with the girl with the pink hair, who got the call from the phone that was purportedly stolen from the home along with the baby.

Edith Fine-Duskin, you are in touch with Baby Lisa`s family. What do you make of all these bizarre connections? All of these people coming out of the woodwork who have kind of odd stories?

EDITH FINE-DUSKIN, KNOWS BABY LISA`S FAMILY: I think, my personal opinion, is I think this should have been taken care of in the first days that it`s been, that she got reported missing. Then I believe, in my heart and in things I`ve been seeing since I`ve been out here day one, that if we had all of this in the beginning, we would have our little Baby Lisa back.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think the cops knew about a lot of this from the very beginning and I think that -- I want to bring in Erin Runnion for a second. I think you`ve worked with cops very, very closely. And they obviously solved the case of your precious, precious daughter`s murder. And again, my heart goes out to you, and you`re my hero.

ERIN RUNNION, MOTHER OF MURDERED GIRL: Thank you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What do you make of this story from a mother`s perspective?

RUNNION: Well, it is a mess, and my heart breaks for this baby. And I just don`t know what to make of the family. And I`m hesitant to jump to conclusions, because the investigation is continuing. But it seems to me that, with drugs and alcohol being involved, anything could have

happened.

You know, one thing that pops out to me is there were two sightings of a baby barely clothed in 40-degree weather in the middle of the night. Call the police. That is child endangerment. It`s worth a phone call. It might have saved a life.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely.

Edith, what do you think, hearing about these connections between the woman who gets the phone call -- it`s hard to keep up. It`s complicated. She gets a phone call, OK, but there`s eight people living in the house. She doesn`t even answer. The phone goes on for 50 seconds. It`s a prepaid phone. When she get to it, she says, it`s -the actual logs are erased.

She went out with this guy, named Jersey, nickname, who is doing yard work in the house. He was questioned by police, and apparently, he`s behind bars on a burglary allegation.

What could the explanation of this phone be? Could it be that -- that the mother, when she was drunk and passed out, somehow let other people into her house to party?

FINE-DUSKIN: No.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: People do that when they`re drunk sometimes, Edith. No? Why not?

FINE-DUSKIN: Well, that could happen, yes. But I don`t think -- I don`t think Debbie let anybody in the house. I think this is somebody out here that`s wanting it make a name for themselves. Because you know, I do believe in the sightings now. You know, from -- the ones from the street and the three sightings. But I believe this is just a -just a thing, you know...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you don`t think the mother let anybody into the house?

FINE-DUSKIN: That was a no.

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WRIGHT: They took me downtown on the 8th. I was interrogated for about six hours by a couple different police officers. They told me that my number was written on the palm of her hand, and it was shown to a detective. And they had looked at the call logs between my phones and as well as the families.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know Deborah Bradley?

WRIGHT: No, I`ve never met her or anyone else in that family that I`m aware of.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is the woman who got a call on her prepaid cell phone the night that Baby Lisa went missing, about 8 to 8:30, by the way, which is very early in the evening. And she`s saying that cops told her that the mother of the missing child had her number written on her hand. We don`t know if that`s true, because sometimes cops will make up stories to get information. But if it is true, if it is true, what does it say to you?

RUNNION: It says to me that she`s lying. And it ties all of it together. Really. I mean, if that number was on the mother`s hand, and she supposedly didn`t know this woman, who formally dated the handyman, all of it kind of ties them closer together.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And when you say she`s lying, you`re talking about who?

RUNNION: The mother.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s hard to say, I know.

RUNNION: It is.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We don`t know that for a fact, but...

RUNNION: I just know that if it were my baby, I would not be grieving yet. I would be hoping, and praying and begging for people to be looking for my baby.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. She did use that phrase, grieving. That was

something a lot of people found interesting.

Sugar Lee Lewis, you were searching for Baby Lisa in Kansas City. What do you make of these developments, Sugar Lee?

SUGAR LEE LEWIS, SEARCHING FOR BABY LISA: Well, one of the things that I had been watching very closely, been out here on the run, looking for Baby Lisa and following the police and the FBI reports very, very closely. There`s many opinions here in Kansas City.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What do you make of the fact that there are now these other figures? The mystery man, with the baby, spotted by three people, in the area. When it`s 45 degrees, the baby is wearing almost nothing.

Then you have a handyman in the area, who is the former boyfriend of the woman who gets a call in the -- at 8 at night, the night the child disappears, from a cell phone that the mother said was taken, was stolen when whoever, the mystery abductor, took her child.

Do you see a connection that Erin Runnion is seeing, that all of these people may be connected, and that in Megan Wright`s case, she also has eight roommates, and the man who goes by Jersey, the neighbor, says that she thinks he might be on drugs. Right now, he`s behind bars on a burglary charge.

I want to go to Steve Moore -- Steve? OK. I`m going to go back to Sugar Lee. Your thoughts on it?

LEWIS: Well, what I really feel like, directly at the end, there`s all

kinds of information that`s circulated. But I definitely feel like we have the best FBI and also the Kansas City, Missouri, Police Department in the world.

I think that, after all of this information, everything going to be put together. Sooner or later, everyone is going to know exactly what happened to Baby Lisa. That there is many things that are out here. There`s -- many people have seen and sighted. Probably not all of that information...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re going to have to leave it right there, Sugar Lee. But I just want to say that the mother and the father are not considered suspects. The police have made a point of...

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Something is really wrong with Mom and Dad in this case, and I`m afraid that it probably is going to end up being something that led to the death of a child, I hate to say.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s putting puzzle pieces together, you know, of your suspicions, or my own personal theories of what may or may not have happened that night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He turned and looked at me and I looked at him

and I could tell he had a baby with him. She had a T-shirt and either training pants or a diaper on. It was too cold for that, I thought.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hope they find whoever did it. I hope those parents weren`t involved.

MEGAN WRIGHT, RECEIVED PHONE CALL FROM PARENT`S PHONE: Apparently, there was a 50-second phone call made from one of the parent`s phones to my cell phone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It really just takes the one right nugget of information to kick this thing off into high gear, and that`s what we`re still looking and waiting for.

CYNDY SHORT, FORMER ATTORNEY FOR BABY LISA`S PARENTS: Lisa was this little girl that was going to hold this family together, to link them together.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, BABY LISA`S MOTHER: She`s everything. She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family. She means everything to our boys and we -- we need her home. I can`t -- I can`t be without her.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening. Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live from Los Angeles.

Could a break in the Baby Lisa timeline crack the case of this adorable,

helpless child who`s been missing nearly a month?

Baby Lisa vanished from her crib in the dead of night, along with her parents` cell phone. So could a phone call from one of those cell phones be the key to solving this case?

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WRIGHT: I didn`t have my phone at the time, but apparently, there was a 50-second phone call made from one of the family`s phones to my cell phone, about 50 seconds in length. I don`t know what was said or who called or who answered my phone.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: This is the woman who received -- that woman with pink hair, she`s the one who received a call from a phone that was in Baby Lisa`s parent`s house, a phone the parents said disappeared at the very time that this child disappeared. Who made the call? What was said during those 50 seconds?

Let`s run through this timeline. On the night Baby Lisa went missing, Baby Lisa`s mom, Deborah, put her down to sleep at 6:40 p.m.

Between 8:00 and 8:30 p.m., a phone call from one of Deborah`s phones to Jersey`s ex-girlfriend, Megan Wright, is made. It lasts 50 seconds.

12:15, neighbors witness a man carrying a baby down the street.

Then 2:15, gas station surveillance video shows a man walking down the road who matches that description.

Finally, 4 a.m., the witness on a motorcycle sees a baby with a man, a man walking, holding a child less than three miles from Baby Lisa`s house.

All right. Another shocking detail. Reports are Deborah`s brother, the man seen here in this surveillance video with his sister, buying wine earlier in the evening that very night that the child disappears, has volunteered to talk to police and spoke with them for two hours. Does he have crucial information?

All right. Jim Spellman, CNN correspondent, live in Kansas City, Missouri. What do you know about the homeless man, Jersey, and his appearance in court today? Tell us about the Jersey connection, if there is one.

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Sure. Now, we know that Jersey is connected to this investigation because of this phone call. It was made to his ex-girlfriend. So that connects him to the investigation, not at all to say that he was involved in Baby Lisa`s disappearance or anything, but he`s definitely part of this investigation now.

He was arrested a few weeks ago on an unrelated warrant. He`s been in jail ever since. Today he had a short procedural hearing about 90 seconds. He appeared. He now has a shaved head, and he went in and out of the courtroom. They continued everything for two weeks. So he`ll be in jail for at least another two weeks.

We still don`t know what really his importance is, but geographically and now for this telephone, we know that he was in this area immediately before Baby Lisa disappeared.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And he also may have some connection, possibly -- we don`t know -- to a garbage dump that was set on fire? That`s another missing piece to the puzzle. The very night that the child disappears, a garbage dump in the area is set on fire. What do you know?

SPELLMAN: That`s right. There`s a garbage Dumpster that is directly behind a yard, right around the corner from Baby Lisa`s house. And this yard that connects the street around the corner from her house and this Dumpster is a yard where he worked, where John Tanko, the man known as Jersey, worked from time to time. That day he was working, turning sprinklers on and off.

This was a route that we know, from what a neighbor has told us, and what his ex-girlfriend, Megan Wright, has told us, was their common route in and out of this neighborhood, was past this Dumpster and through this yard.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mike Brooks, HLN law enforcement analyst, jump in.

MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Yes, look. I think this Dumpster -- Jim and I talked about this last night. You`ve talked about it. This is a route that Jim was just talking about where Megan Wright and Jersey, John Tanko, used to take on a regular basis to cut over to Brighton Avenue, which is the main drag next to those town homes/apartments, Jane, on the way to the gas station.

Now, did he put -- did he light this fire? We don`t know for sure. But one of the interesting facts in this case, they took that Dumpster.

Normally, you know, I was a cop and also assistant chief in Fairfax County, Virginia, fire chief, and they don`t usually take Dumpsters, Jane, when there`s a simple Dumpster fire. Do they think this was connected? I`m saying that most likely they think that it is, or else they would not have taken that as possible evidence. They would have just left it there, like they normally do.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And a couple of other facts. The mother of the missing child says cops showed her burning clothes or burnt clothes, burnt children`s clothes. And if there was a Dumpster fire that night, and the cops are showing the mother burnt children`s clothes, what do you make of that, Mike Brooks?

BROOKS: Well, you know, initially, Jane, they thought there might have been what in law enforcement we call a prop. You bring someone in you`re trying to get information from, you put different things around the interrogation room or the interview room and just try to get some information. You know, was this maybe not a prop? Was this possible evidence?

Because she also said that same night they showed her a map, and she called it a Doppler hit, but it sounded like it had to do with cellphone hits. So what does that mean? We don`t know.

But their phones that were taken apparently were prepaid cell phones. Now, the call that Megan Wright got, she doesn`t know who handed -she said there was about eight people, as Jim Spellman has been reporting, that lived in this flophouse, if you will. And they don`t know exactly who took the call and the exact time and what was said or if there was any message left, because it apparently had been erased

from the phone when she got it back.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, there`s a huge cast of characters in this drama. And Richard Herman, let`s talk about the brother, because cops interviewed the brother today for a couple of hours. He`s the very person who took the mother to the grocery store to buy a box of wine earlier in the evening, and then reportedly took her back and dropped her off.

But one of the problems is, nobody knows -- there`s the mother shopping with the brother. The brother`s in the black shirt. Now, he doesn`t, in any way, fit the description at all of the mystery man walking around with the child in the dead of night.

And by the way, we also want to say that Jersey, the homeless yard man, also is not the person who was carrying the child around in the dead of night, because one of the witnesses who saw this mystery man says he looked at photographs, and that`s not the guy. It`s not Jersey. So, it`s not the brother; it`s not Jersey. We know that this mystery man, who was carrying around a child, is somebody who lives in the neighborhood. Cops apparently know that much.

But what do you think, Richard Herman, they`re going to talk to this brother about, given that he went and bought wine with the mom and then supposedly dropped her off? There`s conflicting information as to whether he went into the house or not.

RICHARD HERMAN: Jane, first of all, let me tell you, you`re doing an outstanding job on the Conrad Murray trial. I`m watching you every day. Outstanding, fair reporting.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you.

HERMAN: Very, very good. Excellent.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you.

HERMAN: Now, I think what they`re doing is trying to corroborate the mother`s story. It`s important for them to trust what the mother said. You know, she had that little flaw, what time she actually went to sleep, and she came back to 6:30, after she put the child to bed. So they just need to corroborate her story, coming home from the store, buying the wine. The brother can do that.

But this Jersey fellow, he`s not out of the woods yet. And I know in -he`s been interviewed, and law enforcement has said, "Oh, we`ve released him. There`s no issue with him." I don`t buy it, Jane. That phone call to his ex-girlfriend, Megan Wright, they were ex-boyfriend and girlfriend. There`s something wrong here. He was deemed a drifter in the neighborhood. There`s something wrong with his story.

The route that Mike Brooks talked about, him and Vinnie plotted it out earlier today, it`s the route he took every day right by that garbage, and it`s not a plus that they`re showing the mother burnt clothing. That is not a plus.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, we are taking your calls on this: 1877-JVM-SAYS. That`s 1-877-586-7297.

On the other side of the break, we`re going to talk that to a neighbor who was there that night and who saw what was going on in the

neighborhood. Did she witness something crucial? On the other side of the break.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, it wouldn`t surprise me that she was picked up without crying?

BRADLEY: Well, yes, she was sleeping...

IRWIN: You can move her around.

BRADLEY: Sometimes she cries. It depends on how -- how long of sleep she`s had. But I mean, if you pick her up and you cuddle with her, she probably won`t cry.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you so much. We appreciate it.

BRADLEY: Thank you.

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MARY HURT, BABY LISA`S NEIGHBOR: There were investigators that came over to this house and did some footprinting, because there was a sprinkler that happened to be on in that yard that made it moist over here.

They only did molds right here. Like, right by the barn.

Definitely, you could tell that he was probably into drugs. He was a little bit shady. You definitely didn`t trust him with anything, but he was a nice guy.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is Mary Hurt, a neighbor in the area, talking about this man named Jersey who is also -- his real name is John Tanko, and he was in court today, and he`s bald. We`re going to show you some video of him in a second. There he is, in court today, but not on this case. Cops say he`s not a suspect in this case. He is being held on some kind of burglary charge, we understand, and we saw him briefly in court.

Now, why is he significant? He is significant, because he is the exgirlfriend of the woman with pink hair by the name of Megan Wright, who says she got a phone call at about 8 or 8:30 on the night that Baby Lisa disappears from a phone, a cell phone, that Deborah Bradley, the mother of the missing child, says was taken by whoever abducted her child.

So the obvious question is, if she says that she was out on the stoop with the neighbor until 10:30 at night, and then passes out in bed, and then her child is abducted after that, how is it possible for a phone call

to be made from a phone that was supposedly taken at 10:30, at 8 to somebody that she doesn`t know? It`s a very bizarre situation.

We`re delighted to have the neighbor that you just saw on tape there, Mary Hurt, there with us live tonight.

Mary, you said you thought that John Tanko, a.k.a., Jersey, was probably on drugs. Elaborate a little bit on that.

HURT: Well, we had definitely -- you can tell, he acted funny sometimes, and just through conversations that he had said, he said that he had smoked weed and stuff, and that he was involved in all of that. And then he had plans to go -- you know, go smoke tonight or whatever. Just through various conversations through the months that we had with him.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And he is working -- he was working, at the time of the child`s disappearance, at your neighbor`s house. They`re an only couple. They go away and they let him do things like turn on and off the water sprinklers. And you -- you think he was working there that night, correct?

HURT: Correct. He had been there moving the sprinklers around previous in the day.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. So, now, his ex-girlfriend, the woman with pink hair, Megan Wright, gets a phone call from a phone that has purportedly been stolen from the mother`s house, except that she gets it at 8 or 8:30 at night, which is hours before when she says she passes out at 10:30. What do you make of that, Mary?

And also that Megan Wright, the lady with the pink hair, says that cops told her that the mother, this woman, you`re looking at here, had her phone number written in ink on her hand. What do you -- we`re trying to see if there`s any connection between all these folks.

We know the mother was drinking. The mother of the missing child admits she had probably five glasses of wine. She may have been taking anti-anxiety meds, according to some published reports. I`m not saying she`s a suspect. She`s not a suspect. Cops have not named any suspects in this case. But what do you make of this whole possible -- this cast of characters? And we`re trying to figure out if there`s any connection, Mary.

HURT: Well, it`s definitely suspicious. I know that Jersey was around the entire neighborhood, and he`d often ask to use a phone or, you know, he`d ask for rides. We never gave him a ride anywhere, but he definitely was asking to use people`s phones. I don`t know if he, by chance, called from one of their phones at some point or not. I mean, I can only speculate as to what that would mean, as well, but it`s definitely strange.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re going to go out to the phone lines now. Pam, Tennessee, your question or thought, Pam?

CALLER: Yes. I watched your show last night, and on there, Megan Wright said that she absolutely knew no one in the family, Baby Lisa`s family. But also on the next show that she filled in for Nancy Grace, you interviewed a neighbor right next door, that said she saw Jersey working and that she saw Megan Wright coming over there several times, and that she saw Baby Lisa`s mother give her a ride home. So I thought that was an interesting case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Whoa! I -- I must have missed anything about Baby

Lisa`s mom giving the woman with pink hair a ride home. That is completely new to me and I have no independent confirmation of it. Mary Hurt, do you want to weigh in on that?

HURT: That actually was our next-door neighbor who had given Megan Wright rides home, not Deborah Bradley. Our next-door neighbor, the Watsons.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Thank you for clarifying that. Thank you for clarifying that. Mike Brooks, is there a nexus, do you think, between all these people?

BROOKS: You know, that`s what someone right now -- I guarantee you someone with the Kansas City Police Department as well as the FBI, their child abduction response team, they have analysts who take all this information and are trying to put all of this together, as part of their case management system.

And I think -- I think we`re close. I think we`re close to a possible break in this case. It`s not a matter of if, but a matter of when.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you. More next.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Something is really wrong with mom and dad in this case. And I`m afraid that it probably is going to end up to be something that led to the death of a child, I hate to say.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Putting puzzle pieces together of your suspicions or my own personal theories of what may or may not have happened that night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He turned to look at me and I looked at him and I could tell he had a baby with him. She had a t-shirt and either training pants or a diaper on. It was too cold for that, I thought.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hope they find whoever did it. I hope those parents aren`t involved.

MEGAN WRIGHT, EX-GIRLFRIEND OF JERSEY: Apparently there was a 50- second phone call made from one of family`s phones to my cell phone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It really just takes the one right nugget of information to kick this thing off in high gear. And that`s what we`re still looking and waiting for.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lisa was this little girl that was going to hold this family together, that linked them together.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF BABY LISA IRWIN: She`s everything.

She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family. She means everything to my boys. And we need her home. I can`t be without her.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Tonight a new possibly illicit theory in the Baby Lisa case. The parents of the missing child say the 11month- old baby was snatched from her crib a month ago in the dead of night. Cops say that even though Baby Lisa`s mom Deborah claimed to be drinking between 6:40 when she put Lisa to bed and 10:30 when she passed out the night Baby Lisa went missing, one of her stolen phones was used to make a call to the ex-girlfriend of a local handyman between 8:00 and 8:30 long before she said passed out and the phones were taken.

Now, shocking new information about that local handyman -- John Tanko, a.k.a. "Jersey" could shed light, perhaps, on that mysterious phone call made to his ex-girlfriend from a phone stolen purportedly from the home of the missing baby.

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WRIGHT: I found out that he was getting into some drug activity.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know what drug?

WRIGHT: Meth, from what I understand. He would disappear for hours on end with no explanation. He was quick to anger. I just couldn`t handle it any more. Towards the last couple of days I was actually fearful for my face being around him.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: So that woman with the pink hair says cops told her that her phone number was written on the hand in ink of the mother of the missing child. Is that true? We don`t know. But there`s definitely some kind of nexus there between that phone that was supposedly taken at the same time that the baby was taken and that woman with the pink hair because that phone called that woman and then her exboyfriend, a local handyman she claims is into drugs who is allegedly doing yard work around that area that very night.

So my question is was there any kind of interaction between the mother of the missing child, who admits she was drinking heavily that night, and this handyman, who is purportedly allegedly into drugs. What was going on? Was this mother drinking alcohol? She says she has five glasses of wine and she doesn`t remember everything that happened that night. Or was there something else involved? Was there some other intoxicant.

We`ve reached out to Deborah`s lawyers. We have not gotten a response.

Ok. And we`re taking your calls. 1-877-JVM-SAYS. Give me a holler. What do you think?

Straight out to Jim Spellman, CNN reporter extraordinaire, who has done really amazing work, breaking news on this case standing there in the pouring rain at the crime scene in Kansas City, Missouri. You have new information, Jim, and I believe it involves neighbors? Tell us what you know.

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN ALL-PLATFORM JOURNALIST: The woman who lives next door to Deborah Bradley, this is the woman that Deborah Bradley was drinking with on her front stoop that night. We`ve wondered all along where was her husband. This man is an Air Force Reserve, an airman in the Air Force Reserve. He`s currently called up doing that.

Well, we now know that he was not in the home that night. Earlier that afternoon they had been having some trouble in their marriage, they saw a marriage counselor. That marriage counselor suggested they try a trial separation. That very night for the first time he left at 5:00 p.m. that night. Says he didn`t know where he was going stay that night, ended up crashing on a friend`s sofa. Normally he would have been in the house. That night he was gone.

Listen, police say that he has been talked to, cooperated; and that police have moved on is the language they use. And he tells us myself that he was the subject of the investigation for a while and he answered all their questions and even took a polygraph last week. They told him they didn`t have any issues with the polygraph.

So it looks like from all vantage points that he`s not considered an active suspect or anything but it certainly adds to the scene that night to know that this husband that usually was there was gone and Jeremy Irwin who usually is there is gone; both on the same night.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. And let`s go over the timeline. There`s some new details about this very complicated timeline -- so pardon me because it is complex -- on the night Baby Lisa went missing.

All right. Originally we knew Deborah and her brother, they went to the store to get wine and that was about 5:00 p.m. Then at 6:40 the mother claimed she put the child, who is now missing, in the crib. 4:00

a.m. Dad comes home from work.

But we have some information about what happened between 6:40 p.m. and 4:00 a.m. when the dad comes home. So 4:51 again, Deborah buys wine with her brother. Brother apparently at 5:30 leaves. Because she doesn`t have a license, he drove her to the store and back. 6:40 she puts Lisa in the crib.

6:40, the neighbor apparently, the female neighbor, buys more liquor, the one that she was drinking with. 7:00 p.m. that neighbor returns. 8:30 the phone call is made. And finally at 10:30 the neighbor leaves and the mother claims she passes out in bed and she`s with at least one of the two young boys who have not been interviewed by cops extensively yet.

And then the dad comes home and says, "Where the heck is the Baby?" and all heck breaks loose. And we understand that before he called cops he went to the neighbor`s and said hey where, where`s the child? They are like we don`t know; should be in your crib.

All right. Pat Brown, what do you make of this phone? This is so bizarre. Ok. The mom says there were three phones that were stolen along with the baby. Ok. And she went to sleep at 10:30. But way before she passes out a phone call is made on one of those supposedly stolen phones to the woman with pink hair who has a boyfriend who does yard work in the area and who according to somebody, according to his ex-girlfriend is into drugs. What do you make of it?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, this is what police has to find out. Who actually knew who and who was doing alcohol and who was doing drugs. Was there a party? Were people coming and going?

Now, a lot depends on what we`re hearing from witnesses and whether their statements are accurate. For example it`s very possible a phone call could have been made, Jersey could have shown up. They could have been hanging out.

The boys could have heard something going on that wasn`t supposed to be going on that mom doesn`t even want to talk to them about. Now we have something going bad with the baby. Now, you have to get rid of a baby and you have to get rid of possible other evidence.

Take a look at these people who supposedly saw Jersey or somebody who looks like Jersey going down the street with this supposed baby. Did they really see him with a baby or did they see him with a bundle and later on assumed it was a baby. You know, he could have been carrying sheets from the bed getting rid of evidence. We don`t know.

And so what the police have to do is try to figure out whether the witnesses` stories are actually accurate or whether they are confusing the issue. And so that`s why this is really one of the biggest puzzles I`ve ever seen. And I know the police are really picking away at it trying to make sure that they can connect those dots.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I think it`s something like "Twin Peaks", remember that show where it was sort of a normal town but then everything was very strange and there were people running around with logs (ph). I mean it is like a crazy mystery that`s bordering slightly on a horror story.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I only say that not to make light of this horrific

situation. We want to find this child but it`s bizarre. It`s creepy. It`s mysterious and it doesn`t add up.

Very briefly Jim Spellman, isn`t there a problem with saying that Jersey, the problematical handyman might have been the one walking around with the baby. Didn`t people who saw that say, "No it`s not him"?

SPELLMAN: One of the witnesses says she doesn`t think it was him, that`s right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. And he, by the way, is in court and behind bars on some other case like a burglary, I think it is. So that`s another thing.

We`re going to go to the phone lines now. Marie in Kentucky, your question or thought, Marie.

MARIE, KENTUCKY (via telephone): hi, Jane. How are you?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi. Fine thanks.

MARIE: I was thinking that, you know, seeing how she failed the polygraph, I was wondering if she would submit to hypnosis because they use hypnosis a lot when people have amnesia and things like that. And I`m thinking that whatever happened during her blackout before she went to sleep her brain saw it, you know. And it would come out on hypnosis if she`s a good -- if she agrees to it.

What do you think about that?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Excellent. I think that`s an interesting point. Joey Jackson, defense attorney, she`s claiming she doesn`t really remember what happened because she had at least five or probably five glasses of wine. May have also been take anti-anxiety meds and who knows what other intoxicant might be in the picture.

But then again, could that be a cover for saying, well, I can`t answer questions because I don`t remember?

JOEY JACKSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know what, Jane, it could it be. And this hypnosis thing potentially could work. The problem you`re going to have though, especially with the failed polygraph test, is that the lawyer is going to be reluctant. I think Joe Tacopina will be reluctant to enter his client with any hypnosis.

And of course, there`s a lot of distrust as we know Jane, between her and the police because it`s turned accusatory. The police are very suspicious of her; very suspicious of what went on. There`re conflicting things that she`s told them so I don`t think she`s going to be all that anxious to submit to hypnosis or anything additional that might show another contradiction or something else that might show that she`s incriminating herself here. We`ll see.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I have to say that I find it disturbing that she has yet or the family has yet to my latest report is allowed these two boys ages 5 or 6 and 8, who were in the house that night, to be interviewed extensively by police or a representative. And yet she reportedly allowed a major network follow the kids around trick or treating. That disturbs me.

Again, she`s not considered a suspect. Cops say they have no suspects, no persons of interest; it`s a total mystery.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Something is really wrong with mom and dad in this case. And I`m afraid that it probably is going to end up being something that led to the death of a child, I hate to say.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s putting puzzle pieces together of your, you know, suspicions or my own personal theories of what may or may not have happened that night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He turned and looked at me and I looked at him, and I could tell he had a baby with him. She had a T-shirt and either training pants or a diaper on. It was too cold for that, I thought.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hope they find whoever did it. I hope those parents weren`t involved.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Apparently there was a 50-second phone call made from one of the family`s phones to my cell phone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It really just takes the one right nugget of

information to kick this thing off in high gear. And that`s what we`re still looking and waiting for.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lisa was this little girl that was going to hold this family together, that linked them together.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF BABY LISA IRWIN: She`s everything. She`s our little girl, she`s completed our family, and she means everything to my boys. And we need her home. I can`t be without her.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Tonight, an exclusive for you in the missing Baby Lisa case. The child`s parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, say Baby Lisa was snatched from her crib in the dead of night more than a month ago. The night Baby Lisa vanished, three of the family`s cell phones also disappeared.

But one of those phones made a call to a woman named Megan Wright. She`s the ex-girlfriend of Jersey, the local handyman who was allegedly working nearby that night. We now have a clue about that mystery phone call.

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MEGAN WRIGHT, RECEIVED CALL FROM MISSING PHONE: A guy named Dane supposedly had my phone all of Monday and Tuesday night, the third and the fourth of October, to the point where nobody else could have used my phone.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL; All right. So who is Dane? We`re going to lay this out for you. Here`s the expanding cast of characters in this mystery: Deborah and Jeremy, the parents of Baby Lisa, who`s missing; Phillip Nets is Deborah`s brother, he`s the one who went with Deborah to get boxed wine shortly before the child vanished, allegedly. Then you have Baby Lisa`s half brothers, the two little boys who were at home that night. Then there is the lady with the pink hair, Megan Wright. She is the ex-girlfriend of the homeless handyman, who is known as Jersey, also known as John Tanko.

Now, her phone, Megan`s phone, got a mystery phone call the night Baby Lisa went missing. We`re going to talk to Megan in just a moment.

Then there is a mystery man who was seen walking around in the dead of night with a baby who was almost naked. And now the newest member of this mystery, a guy named Dane, who apparently had Megan`s phone when the call went through. What do you make of all this. Call me, 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1- 877-586-7297.

Straight out to CNN reporter Jim Spellman on the ground in Kansas City, where it`s all happening. What are the big bullet points, the headlines of the new developments?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN ALL-PLATFORM JOURNALIST: We have another person on the scene here as well as Dane. We have a man named Shane. Now, this whole time we`ve known that Deb Bradley, the mother of Baby Lisa was out on her porch drinking with her next-door neighbor. We know -- now know that for at least an hour and a half of that time, a third person, a man named Shane, who was two doors down, had joined them. He wasn`t drinking, he tells. He would join

them, smoking cigarettes, but it certainly changes the tableau of that night. He says he didn`t see anything. He says Deb Bradley didn`t check on the baby during that hour and a half time. But that really changes what was going on right here behind me that night -- Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what`s really fascinating about all of this, Levi Page, and you`re a crime blogger Internet radio host is the call. Let me get my cell phone out so you can visualize it, the call that came from a phone belonging to the mother of the missing child, that was supposedly taken at the time that the missing child was taken, and went to Megan, who we`re going to talk to in a second, exclusively. This call was made between 8:00 and 8:30, according to published reports, which is before the mother says that she passed out while the child was still there. What does that tell you, Levi?

LEVI PAGE, CRIME BLOGGER AND INTERNET RADIO HOST: Well, it`s interesting, because Megan says that the person who had her phone that night was a man by the name of Dane Digler (ph). And I looked up this guy`s MySpace account and he said he`s a party boy. He says that his occupation is a "street chemist", and it says his expertise, he says, quote, "I wish it was being a dad. All I`m really good at is being a cracker. Damn right. And my name is Dane and I do drugs to deal with my problems. Anyways, later."

So this is not a very savory individual here, and there`s a lot of cast of characters in this case. And I think the two people that could sort this all out for us would be Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, and they are not cooperating with the police. They refused to sit down for separate interviews. They refused to sit down together. And they have yet to allow their children to be interviewed by a child specialist in the police department. So why are they not clearing all of this up? That`s the big question.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you, Levi.

And now we have our exclusive guest, Megan Wright. Now, Megan, thank you so much for joining us. We know that it`s got to be difficult for you to be in the center of this storm. And I assume you`re speaking out because you want to do whatever you can to help find this child.

Megan, ok, you have a phone. It`s a prepaid phone. A call came in from a phone that the cops say was one of the phones that was allegedly stolen from Baby Lisa`s mother`s home, at the very same time as Baby Lisa. Ok. It goes in at 8:00 p.m. That night, which is before the mother says she passed out. So that doesn`t make sense.

The second thing is, you`re telling me that your phone belongs to or was in the possession of Dane. Tell us about this guy, Dane. Because Levi Page is claiming that he`s into drugs.

WRIGHT: Well, there was eight people living at the house at the time, five adults and three kids. So my phone was pretty much community, which has been questioned, but it`s true. Dane was, from what I was told, I was downstairs at the time apparently the phone call took place, but from people in the house, what I heard is that Dane had my phone all night, to the point where nobody else could use it, because there were so many incoming text messages and phone calls for him.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Now, as far as your ex-boyfriend, John Tanko, Jersey, who was allegedly working in that neighborhood that night, and has been arrested on totally different charges, and he appeared in court on totally different charges -- there he is. Megan, you told us that Jersey was into drugs, specifically meth. Let`s listen to what you said.

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WRIGHT: I found out that he was getting into some drug activity.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know what his drug -- what the drug is?

WRIGHT: Meth, from what I understand. He would disappear for hours on end with no explanation. He was quick to anger, last to understand, and it was just -- I just couldn`t handle it anymore. And towards the last couple of days, I was actually fearful for my safety, being around him.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. So we know that the missing baby`s mom admits that she had about five glasses of wine the night the child went missing. That`s why she says she passed out at 10:30, doesn`t know exactly what happened. There are also published reports she was on anti-anxiety drugs. Now a family member is coming forward and telling us that she, quote, "flirted with drugs", and may have had a problem with alcohol. That she liked to drink.

In your opinion, is there any nexus between Dane, who with apparently allegedly likes drugs, and the mother, who a relative is now saying flirted with drugs? Is this phone call -- could this phone call be about that?

WRIGHT: It`s possible. Like I said, I wasn`t around when he had my phone. I was downstairs; my phone was upstairs with Dane, apparently in his possession, from what I was told.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t know this Dane, but does he push drugs? Does he push drugs? Does he push drugs?

WRIGHT: Not that I`m aware of. I don`t know him well enough to know if he does or not.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: How about Jersey? Your ex. Has he ever sold?

WRIGHT: I know that -- not that I`m aware of, never in front of me, but it is possible. Like I said, towards the end of our relationship, we didn`t spend a whole lot of time together because he was at the release center. So his activities are totally unknown to me at that time.

By c-m: the way, if Deborah Bradley, the mother of the missing child, or her -- the man she lives with, not her husband, but the man she lives with, the father of the missing child, if they want to come forward, they are invited. We reach out all the time to their attorneys. We want to hear their side of the story.

But we`re also trying to find Baby Lisa and this cast of characters is very, very strange.

More in a second with Megan.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Misty Copeland is dancing her way to the top as the first black female soloist for the American Ballet Theater in more than 20 years. She`s a role model on and off the stage.

MISTY COPELAND, AMERICAN BALLET THEATER: The challenges of being one of the few black women in this field gave me this determination not the give up. I think that most people`s idea of what a classical ballerina is, is a white woman, you know, petite, without curves. So it`s very different from my build and my background.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Of course, curvy may not what you think of when you see Misty, but she`s changing the image of what a ballerina should look like.

COPELAND: I think I fit a new mold that I`m making for myself, of a ballerina. I really think that anything is possible if you truly are passionate about it and give it your all.

Ballet isn`t the only thing keeping Misty on her toes. She also mentors girls in ballet and in life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She taught us that even if we`re different, if we`re unique, we`re just -- we can be just as equal as anybody else.

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DEBORAH: Please, please, please, call the tips hotline. If you know where she`s at, then, if you have her, please, just take her somewhere safe. No questions asked. Just drop her off with somebody at a hospital, a church, the fire department, the police station, anywhere.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now an ISSUES exclusive. A father who knows exactly what it means to have an infant snatched from the safety of his own home. Gil Abeyta has been searching for his missing son, Christopher, for 25 years.

Gil, thank you for joining us tonight; your son was just 7 months old when he was taken from his crib. You and your wife were both accused at the time of being responsible for your son`s disappearance.

You have traveled hundreds of miles to now find Baby Lisa. You are on the ground in Kansas City. What is your theory of this case now, as we hear not just the homeless man and the mystery man with the baby? But now we`ve got Dane, the guy who supposedly had the phone when the call came in from the phone, from the family`s house, as well as Shane, some neighbor who was over there partying.

GIL ABEYTA, PRESIDENT, FAMILIES OF MISSING CHILDREN INTERNATIONAL: Ok. You know. This is the most unusual case I`ve ever been in. It goes in different twists and turns. We tried to focus on -- you know, when I came here and arrived here after a thousand miles, I was going to just merely help the family do anything I could based on experience and I could get in.

I mean, there seemed to -- they were given advice by their attorney and their private eye not to talk to anybody, and that`s in reverse of what should have been done. So little by little, we picked up information and started to come up with our own way of finding things and we --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What is your theory? Do you have a theory of the case, Gil?

ABEYTA: Well, let me share this with you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you think --

ABEYTA: We have a suspect.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you think you knew who did it?

ABEYTA: Yes. We think that. And we have the eyewitness. You know, remember the eyewitness who saw man carrying the baby late at night? That`s very unusual. And there was two witnesses to that. So what we did is we did some investigation, I have prepared a sevenpage report to the FBI, and to the police department. They are reviewing it. And we feel somewhat confident that we`re on the right trail.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. I know you can`t name names and I don`t want you to for legal reasons, but is your suspect someone who is known to the family? Is your suspect someone who is known to the family?

ABEYTA: Yes, yes. Yes. Yes, it is.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is it someone who lives in the community?

ABEYTA: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is it someone who lives in the community?

ABEYTA: Yes. Yes, it is.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t want to play "20 Questions" with you, but we`ve got a big cast of characters here. Let me ask you this, do you think cops are about to make an arrest?

ABEYTA: I think they`re working on it. I think they`re trying to find out and validate the information that we gave them. I don`t think they`re -- I don`t know how close they are, because they don`t report to me, I don`t report to them, we just gave them the information, same with the FBI. But I can say that this is --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Gil?

ABEYTA: Yes? Go ahead.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The prosecutor`s office says it could be years before this case is solved. Quote, "There is no case. Nothing has been presented to us. If it gets solved, it will be solved years from now. At this point, nothing has been presented to our office." But you`re saying something completely different.

ABEYTA: I`m saying to you that we have prepared a document naming a suspect near the family that has the experience, had the opportunity to be able to do this. Also, I want to add that that had the training to do this. Remember that -- training to do this. And so --

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Interesting. Pat brown -- I`m sorry, Gil, I don`t want to interrupt you, but, Pat Brown, criminal profiler is shaking her head -- Pat Brown.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Yes, and snickering. Yes, I`ve read this. I see that Gil believes that there actually wasn`t a kidnapper and this child left that house alive. There is absolutely zero proof of that and there are cadaver dogs that say otherwise.

We have another interesting thing. Birds of a feather flock together. We have Jersey, we have this new fellow. Both of them are apparently into drugs. My guess is that house may be a meth house, because we`ve got one phone for everybody, kind of unusual, and the phone call comes from Bradley/Irwin residence, so what`s that connection? I would say there`s a connection drug wise.

And one more thing: remember Deborah Bradley once said she saw the baby at 10:30 and now she`s backed it up to 6:00? Well, my

guess is because that phone call was made at 8:30 or whatever it was, and now she`s going to have to say, maybe I made a drug call and somebody came over and they took the baby then. So that`s why I think she backed the time up.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know what, this is all speculation. Thank you, Pat, but we do not know. There are no suspects. Cops are saying there are no suspects. And no one has been named, even as a person of interest. Everyone`s invited on.

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DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF MISSING BABY LISA IRWIN: The only thing I can think of is maybe somebody wanted baby and she -- I hope that`s what it is.

MEGAN WRIGHT: Where is the baby? Apparently there was a 50second phone call made from one of the family`s phone to my cell phone.

A guy named Dane supposedly had my phone all of Monday and Tuesday night.

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN ALL PLATFORM JOURNALIST: We have another person on the scene here as well as Dane. We have a man named

Shane.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What do you want to tell them about Lisa?

BRADLEY: She`s everything. She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family and she means everything to my boys, and we -- we need her home.

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DIAZ: Shocking new details in the missing Baby Lisa case. Her mom Deborah Bradley says the beautiful 11-month-old was stolen from her crib over a month ago, along with three cell phones.

There is a constant expanding cast of characters in the mystery, and we now have new information updates on the timeline of that night. We`ve heard that a neighbor, Shane, stopped by to visit Deborah and her drinking buddy that night. He arrived at around 7:00 p.m. and left between 8:30 and 9:00 p.m. This is the same possible time frame that the mystery call between one of Deborah`s stolen phones and the cell phone of Megan Wright, the ex-girlfriend of the local homeless handy man Jersey was made.

Megan says that she didn`t have her phone that night. Instead a guy named Dane living at the house had the phone.

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WRIGHT: A guy named Dane supposedly had my phone all of Monday

and Tuesday night, the 3rd and 4th of October, to the point where nobody else could have used my phone.

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DIAZ: But Last night on ISSUES we heard that Dane might have a skeleton or two in his closet, too.

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LEVI PAGE, INTERNET CRIME BLOGGER: He says he`s a party boy. He says that his occupation is a "street chemist" and it says his expertise, he says, quote, "I wish it was being a dad. All I`m really good at is being a cracker. Damn right. Oh, and my name is Dane and I do drugs to deal with my problems. Anyways, later."

So this is not a very savory individual here.

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DIAZ: Straight out to CNN correspondent Jim Spellman and HLN law enforcement analyst, Mike Brooks, on the ground in Kansas City. Jim, we heard you have more information about the relationship between Megan and Jersey?

SPELLMAN: Well, we know that they were dating for several months and they broke up only about two weeks before this incident happened. They would even walk these very streets together as Dane looked for odd jobs through the neighborhood. Even cutting through

one of the homes that leads right between where a man was sighted with a baby that night and a dumpster that was later reported on fire that same night.

DIAZ: Well, Megan Wright says that her phone received the 50-second mystery call the night Baby Lisa went missing.

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WRIGHT: I didn`t have my phone at the time, but apparently there was a 50-second phone call made from one of the family`s phones to my cell phone. It was about 50 seconds in length. I don`t know what was said or who call or who answered my phone.

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DIAZ: Mike Brooks, very quickly, Megan seems to now be flip-flopping on that 50-second phone call. Thirty seconds.

MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, I`ll tell you what. What role this Dane played, we don`t know. That`s what we`re trying to find out. What exactly was said, if anything in that call, we really don`t know; that`s what we`re trying to get to the bottom of, Carlos.

DIAZ: All right. Coming up next, more details about missing Baby Lisa; last night we heard that a possible suspect could be in the works. You don`t want to miss that coming up next right here on ISSUES on HLN.

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DIAZ: Mike Brooks is on the ground in Kansas City. Mike what can you tell me about Megan`s car and the fact that it caught on fire?

BROOKS: Well, Megan says that this guy Jersey, John Tanko, allegedly set her car on fire. Now, she didn`t give a description of the car. Found out from sources here at Kansas City that on September 16th, it`s a Friday night at 11:48 p.m. There was, in fact, a car fire; her car was fully engulfed in fire.

Now, in fact, it burned the car next to her, Carlos; what relationship if any does that have to this case? That`s what we`re trying to figure out. It`s in the same complex as that dumpster.

DIAZ: All right. Mike Brooks, Jim Spellman, thank you so much. Great job from Kansas City.

That`s going to do it for us here at ISSUES with Jane Velez-Mitchell. I`m Carlos Diaz.

Coming up next, Nancy Grace, off of "Dancing with the Stars and back on her show; "NANCY GRACE coming up right now on HLN.

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DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF MISSING GIRL: Please, please, please call the tips hotline if you know where she`s at. If you have her, please just take her somewhere safe. No questions asked. Just drop her off with somebody, a hospital, a church. A fire department. The police station. Anywhere. Just please bring her home.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Their daughter was missing. He`s not sure how long she`s been gone, and the screen was burst through.

JEREMY IRWIN, LISA`S DAD: I came home from work. The front door was unlocked.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did anything look out of place other than her not being there?

BRADLEY: No. No. It`s like they just walked in and just disappeared.

JOE TACOPINA, FORMER ATTORNEY FOR PARENTS: They have nothing to hide. And she said that from day one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The brother was seen with Deborah Bradley as she bought a box of wine and baby supplies the night that missing Baby Lisa disappeared.

BRADLEY: I said, what do you mean she`s not in her crib? I just knew, you know, something was really wrong. We were running around the house, and we were screaming. I said, "Call 911. Call 911." Please bring her home.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Does newly released video in the case of missing Baby Lisa offer crucial clues to what happened the night this precious child vanished?

Take a look at this adorable 10-month-old baby. She was reported missing from her Kansas City, Missouri, home, nearly four months ago. Now our affiliate, KCTV-5, has just obtained exclusive dashcam video showing cops racing to the scene after Lisa`s dad, Jeremy Irwin, arrives home to find a busted window and his precious baby girl gone.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Their daughter was missing. He`s not sure how long she`s been gone, and the screen was burst through.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Noticeably not released, the crucial part in the

video, when cops actually arrive at the home and actually meet with Lisa`s parents. Hmm. Why did they leave that out? We`re going to ask the experts in a second.

Former FBI agent Steve Moore is with us tonight. But first to Jayne Weintraub, criminal defense attorney. And I want to ask about your insights. Why did cops leave out the part where they arrive at the home? Could it be that something happened with the mother who was drunk or the dad who was distraught that they don`t want the public to know about?

JAYNE WEINTRAUB, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, or they don`t want the real suspect that they`re focusing on to know that they have that video. Or it could have been just a mistake, which honestly does happen with those dashcams. Or more likely than not, they want to save it for a later statement to see if it`s inconsistent.

I mean, the big thing here, Jane, is to me it`s Haleigh Cummings revisited with a different cast of characters.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I agree with you there.

Here`s one major detail we do get from this video. The dispatcher says that the father does not know how long his daughter has been missing, because he`s at work. Listen carefully.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Their daughter was missing. He`s not sure how long she`s been gone, and the screen was burst through.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: So the father comes home from work and he finds his daughter missing. His wife is passed out after drinking too much.

I want to go straight out to Jim Spellman, CNN reporter, who has been tracking this case and doing interviews with key people.

Do you think that allows the family a little flexibility? Well, they say, oh, we don`t know when it happened, because the stories from this mother and father have changed. Particularly from the mother, who was at home when the child vanished.

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That`s right. This definitely jibed with the time line that Deborah Bradley has given in media interviews. I got sent this footage late last night, Jane, and I didn`t really expect to see much. I was told there wasn`t much in it. But boy, it really had a visceral effect. I spent so many weeks on those streets to picture where was Baby Lisa at that very moment the police are screaming in. Could she even have heard those sirens? What did those officers might have seen, even before they knew that there was a case going on? They came right on the key routes that somebody would use to get out of Baby Lisa`s neighborhood.

And now the local TV station, KCTV, there, they had to fight for weeks to get the KC -- Kansas City Police Department to release this. So we definitely don`t know why they only released these portions. What other responses dash cams are and might be on them, but still more questions with this case every day than there are answers, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s right. And I want to ask you about the everchanging time line for the night Baby Lisa went missing.

Deborah and her brother -- that`s the mother and the brother -- go to pick up wine at about 5 p.m. At one point the mom claims, oh, at 6:40 she puts Baby Lisa in her crib. At about 4 a.m., Baby Lisa`s dad comes home from work and discovers the mom passed out from drinking and the child missing. But the key is, what happened before dad got home?

Now, around 7 p.m. that night a neighbor reportedly comes over with liquor, and she and Baby Lisa`s mom are on the stoop drinking. At 10:30 the neighbor leaves. And Deborah says she goes to bed.

And then again, 3:45, the dad comes home, but apparently, Jim Spellman, the dad knocks on a neighbor`s door before calling police. And then there`s a discrepancy about the mystery phone call placed from phones that other claims were stolen at the very time this baby was purportedly taken.

SPELLMAN: First the next-door neighbor. Now Deborah Bradley has said she was out drinking with the next-door neighbor. The first place that Jeremy went was to that neighbor`s door to see if somehow that neighbor, who would sometimes babysit Lisa and the other two boys that they have, to see if maybe Baby Lisa was over there.

We know that that was his first stop. And then he immediately called 911. And in a matter of minutes later the police were there.

Now, as for those phone calls, that`s still really quite an open subject. We heard from police that perhaps a phone call was made after

midnight at some point, that maybe those phones were taken from the house, according to them, with Baby Lisa, that was trying to access the Internet.

But whether -- who those calls were being made to and exactly where the phones were when the calls were made is still definitely an open subject. Could be key to the investigation.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Kim, we OK? And she said she got a call but she didn`t have the phone. handyman who has a rap sheet night.

all see that lady with the pink hair. from one of these mystery cell phones, And she has an ex-boyfriend who`s a who was reportedly in the area that

So I guess the big question, Dr. Dale Archer -- 10 seconds -- is there a lot more to the mother`s motives and what she was doing that night than she`s revealed?

DR. DALE ARCHER, PSYCHOLOGIST: That`s a good...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I`m going to have to answer for you. And the answer is yes, there is. I think, anyway.

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MEGAN WRIGHT, RECEIVED CALL FROM MISSING CELL PHONE: I found out that he was getting into drug activity.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know when it started?

WRIGHT: From what I understand. He would disappear for hours on end with no explanation. He was quick to anger, last to understand. And it was -- I just couldn`t handle it anymore. Towards the last couple of days I was actually fearful for my safety being around him.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, this is complicated. That young lady with the pink hair says her cell phone got a call from a phone belonging to the family of Baby Lisa some time that night.

Now, the family of Baby Lisa claims that those phones were stolen by whoever took Baby Lisa. So they`re essentially denying that they called Megan Wright.

Megan Wright is the ex-girlfriend of a local handyman with a long rap sheet who was reportedly in town that night. And cops -- this is the key - - Steve Moore, former FBI. Cops told Megan that that handyman ex-boyfriend with the rap sheet`s phone number was written on the hand of Baby Lisa`s drunken mother. Here`s the significance.

MOORE: Well, the significance is everybody is lying to the police. If you -- if you say the phone has been stolen and then it calls a number that you have written on your hand right at that time, you have some real explaining to do.

If you`re a mother who`s missing her child who won`t go look for the

child for whatever reason, you have some explaining to do. There are so many inconsistencies here that the police are probably holding back things like the dash tapes. They are holding back all these things, because they don`t want to tip their hands on where the investigation is going.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. And several people in the neighborhood -this is key -- say they saw a man walking around with an almost naked baby that night. Listen to this.

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MIKE THOMPSON, WITNESS: He was up here a ways, and he turned to look at me. And I looked at him. I could tell he had a baby. She had a T- shirt and either faded pants or a diaper. It was too cold for that.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Go to the phone lines. Victoria from Georgia. Your quick question or thought, Victoria.

CALLER: Hi, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.

CALLER: My question is I heard on Vinnie Politan the other day that the parents were going to go on "Dr. Phil," and even though they weren`t talking to the media or the police or anything. And I just kind of like -- why would they even think about going on "Dr. Phil"? I know

he`s a great doctor and all, but you know, he doesn`t know where that baby is. Unless he`s going to question them like he did Casey Anthony.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Dr. Dale Archer, the caller makes a great point. Why aren`t they talking to cops sitting down together? They`ve reportedly not cooperated, according to police. Yet they`re going on "Dr. Phil"?

ARCHER: I do think that this is just one more red flag that they care more about the publicity of being on a national TV show than they do about finding out what happened to their daughter.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jim Spellman, I`m sorry. Ten seconds. Does this mother have any history, aside from the drinking, of any kind of other substance abuse that we know of?

SPELLMAN: Not that we -- not that we know of at all, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it remains a complete mystery. So many -- so many characters. It`s a hard story. We`re going to bring you the very latest when this family appears on "Dr. Phil." It`s coming up very soon. So stay right here.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Their daughter was missing. He`s not sure how long she`s been gone and the screen was burst through.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I came home from work. The front door was unlocked.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did anything look out of place, other than her not being there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. No. It`s like they just walked in and just disappeared.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight a new layer of mystery in the disappearance of Baby Lisa Irwin. She was just ten months old when her parents reported her missing, October 4.

Now a so-called mystery man police interviewed four times just arrested in an unrelated assault. Police say Dane Gratehouse stabbed a man he claimed was stealing things from his car. This guy denies any involvement in Baby Lisa`s disappearance. He has never been called a suspect. We want to stress that.

But here`s why police interviewed him four times. It`s complicated. Try to follow along with me. Lisa`s parents say that their baby was snatched from her crib while sleeping. And they say at the same time, three of their cell phones were stolen.

Well, that night somebody using one of those phones tried to call the phone owned by pink-haired lady Megan Wright, who lived in this community home with a lot of other people. Dane Gratehouse had access to Megan`s phone, and cops wonder, well, was that call intended for him?

Ron Ruben, you`re a private investigator down there on the ground in Kansas City. What do you make of this latest development? What are the theories anyway?

RON RUBEN, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Well, as far as Dane being arrested over the weekend, it`s not a huge surprise. Just from the information I have gathered regarding his character, I texted with Dane following Baby Lisa`s disappearance some months later. And I asked him if maybe we could get together and talk so that he could make himself irrelevant.

And his somewhat of a wise-guy comment back to me was, "If you`ll fill my gas tank every day and give me $100,000 in Benjamins, then we can talk."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow. I mean, obviously, the question is were those cell phones really stolen, or was the call made by either Baby Lisa`s mom or somebody in the house? And if so, why was that call made? Was it because she was already drunk, having consumed at least five glasses of wine by her own admission, and she was looking for something? Something else? We don`t know. We don`t have the answer to that question.

She claims that she did not have that phone in her possession. This is the mother.

No suspects have been named in this case. Lisa`s dad reported the baby missing at 4 in the morning October 4 when he came home from work and couldn`t find his little baby.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The front door was unlocked. Most of the lights were on in the house. And the window was -- in the front was open. Obviously, all very unusual. I started checking on the kids. I checked on the boys first. Then I checked on her. That`s when we realized she was gone.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: He ran to the neighbor`s house thinking maybe the neighbors had her. Very briefly, what`s the story with them?

RUBEN: Well, the neighbors went to counseling earlier that day around 1 p.m. I spoke to the gentleman next door this past week and visited with him for an hour. And he said they`d been to counseling. He left and went to spend the night at a friend`s house, supposedly. And his wife received a text message from him around 5:10 when she walked in the door. And they had been estranged ever since. He`s now living back next door, and she`s living with her mother.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Unbelievable. We`re going to stay on top of this mystery. Thank you so much, Ron. Come back soon.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Their daughter was missing. He`s not sure how long she`s been gone, and the screen was burst through.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Stunning new developments emerge in the search for the missing 10-month-old snatched from her own crib.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, BABY LISA`S MOTHER: My two other boys are waiting for her. Please, just drop her off anywhere.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The FBI cadaver dog made a positive hit for the scent of a dead body inside the bedroom of Baby Lisa`s mother.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The hit means the dog got the scent of a deceased human.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Surveillance camera footage from a nearby grocery store shows Deborah Bradley walking with a friend.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They had a box of wine, some baby wipes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At one point, Deborah Bradley was walking at the store, smiling.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: New surveillance video could bring police one step closer to finding 11-month-old Baby Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The mystery man spotted shortly after the young child disappeared from her crib.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Had the baby in his arms. And he had the baby`s head kind of like this so we just kind of seen the baby`s arm and then the leg was down here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Dumpster fire was right here. Here`s Baby Lisa`s home. There was another sighting around 2 o`clock of a man going between two homes with a baby. And then right down the hill, this is where the Dumpster fire was.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The question is was this an abduction with the parents completely uninvolved, or is an abductor somehow associated with the parents, and we`re all covering for each other?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight Baby Lisa`s parents drop a brand-new theory about what happened to their daughter. Is this a major break in the case, or are Baby Lisa`s parents trying to shift the focus away from themselves?

Deborah and Jeremy Irwin claim 10-month-old Lisa was snatched out of her crib back in October. Now, they say thieves may have taken more than just their daughter and a couple of cell phones.

Lisa`s dad, Jeremy Irwin, claims his debit card was also stolen and used on a Web site which lets you change somebody`s name online.

Listen to this from "The Today Show."

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JEREMY IRWIN, BABY LISA`S FATHER: Well, somebody had my information and tried to use it on November 6. And whoever had it and used it, used it for $69. And it went through and got paid. So they received some kind of -- some kind of service for the money that was charged on my card.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow, he said this happened back in November. Why are we just hearing about it now, six months later?

Baby Lisa`s parents say they told cops back in December, but why did they wait this long to tell the rest of the world?

Even stranger, they say their debit card was charged by a namechanging Web site. But now that Web site no longer exists. Now that domain name is reportedly used by a stationary company. So what proof they had? Well, maybe it apparently evaporated. Is this all a smoke screen designed to distract from themselves?

This case captured the public`s imagination when this convenience store footage came out, showing the mom buying a box of wine that evening. And Deb later admitted she drank at least five glasses of wine and then fell asleep at the time her daughter vanished.

Do you believe their story? Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-5867297.

Straight out to Ron Newton (ph), private investigator in Kansas City near where all of this went down.

Ron, what can you tell us about this mysterious Web site and the debit card, trying to buy something to change a baby`s name?

RON NEWTON (PH), PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Two words for this, Jane: empty calories. This isn`t news. I knew about this back in December where members close to the family shared this information with me.

If you recall, Joe Piserno (ph) -- I`m sorry, John Piserno (ph), the local attorney here in Kansas City, told the media back in December that they had a new tip. Well, this is what that tip was.

Apparently, Jeremy`s banker told Jeremy. Jeremy went to the FBI. And this is what it was all about.

Now the questions that I have are, if the payment went through, then where did the shipment go? Hasn`t anybody investigated that, if it`s true?

Another thing is: why wouldn`t you create a brand-new birth certificate with a brand-new date of birth and a brand-new name, rather than change the name of someone -- of a small baby who can`t even talk?

You mentioned the Web site that they have up. The Web site now is -is put up as being privately owned. But initially, the Web site was shown on a Whois search to believe belong to Dave and Gail Mattern (ph). Now, they`re friends of the benefactor from Texas that had financed this thing. They`re all involved in the horsing world, and they even the Web site BarrelHorseWorld.com. And they also own the home where the media interviews were done back in -- in October when Deborah and Jeremy sat in front of the national media for a weekend and talked to interviewers there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Ron, let me say this. I don`t know the names of the two individuals you mentioned. I don`t know them. I`ve never heard of them. I do not know what their connection, if any, is to this case.

Now that you`ve mentioned them, all I can say is that we invite them on to give their side of the story. And we have absolutely no independent confirmation of anything you`re saying. With all due respect, to just mention the names of people on national television, we`re not expecting that. And we don`t know who these people are, and I don`t want to say anything about them they effect that.

NEWTON (PH): Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So that is something I want to say right out.

But what I`m getting the impression, Ron, is that you don`t believe in general that this is a legitimate claim by the parents of the missing child. Is that a yes or no?

NEWTON (PH): I don`t see how you can -- correct. You`re correct with

that. I don`t see how you can call it legitimate. It`s too flimsy; it`s old news. Why would you hold onto this for six months if this was a big tip and a big story? Why would you sit on this for a period of six months and not share it with anybody but the FBI when apparently...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me say this, Ron. I got your point. But the reason it`s big news is that it was on "The Today Show." OK?

NEWTON (PH): Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That makes it big news right in and of itself.

Now, I think for our viewers, we need to understand that this is a very complicated story. So let`s go back, recap and review the night that this precious child vanished. Listen to her father Jeremy describe how he discovered the baby missing.

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IRWIN: The front door was unlocked. Most of the lights were on in the house, and the window in the front was open. Obviously, it`s all very unusual. Then I started checking on the kids. Checked on the boys first. And then we checked on her, and that`s when we realized she was gone.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Here`s the timeline. Just before 5, Deborah Bradley buys wine, a box of it, with her brother.

5:30, her brother leaves the home. And around -- well, Deb starts drinking with a neighbor.

At 6:40, she claims she put Lisa in a crib, and at the same time, her neighbor goes to buy more liquor. The neighbor returns at 7.

A mystery call is made at 8:30 in the evening to Megan Wright from one of the Irwins` cell phones.

Then at 10:30, the neighbor leaves and Deborah says she fell asleep. Baby Lisa`s father comes home at about 3:45 in the morning and discovers the child missing.

But Mike Brooks, HLN law enforcement analyst, you`ve been studying this. There have been many discrepancies, and in fact has the mother changed the timeline of her story?

MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, they changed the timeline on the phone. Her attorneys are saying that there was in mystery call to Megan Wright`s phone, who allegedly had never met the Irwins, at 11:57. And it was taken -- she was staying in a group house or a flop house as some people have been describing it. Someone there had Megan`s phone, because she was letting people use it.

But you know, Jane, this whole thing about this debit card, if they thought the debit -- why didn`t they report the debit card as stolen back on October 4 when they said that the cell phones were taken? Then that would have stopped -- that would have stopped anybody from using their card. If my debit card is missing, I`m going to know

it, not a month later.

Plus, if they wanted to run this down, they let somebody know about it, the FBI, it`s easy to find out where this Web site was in the U.K. The FBI has a representative there at the U.S. embassy in London. They get together with Scotland Yard. They work on a regular basis. I`ve been to Scotland Yard before when I was working a case over there with the British -- with the Brits, Jane.

And again, just like Ron said, I think it`s just kind of B.S. Why bring this out now? There`s no new news.

And the other thing, why not speak separately to Kansas City police, Jane?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

BROOKS: Little Lisa went missing October 4. They have not spoken to law enforcement since October 8 of last year.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But apparently, they can talk to "The Today Show."

BROOKS: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And by the way, we reached out to Joe Tacopina. He`s a friend of our show; he`s invited on any time. And we invited him on today. He chose not to come on, but he`s always invited.

So out to the lines. April, Virginia, your question or thought, April?

CALLER: Yes, I was wondering...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Get to your question.

CALLER: ... if since the mother had been drinking that night, if she possibly may have done something to Baby Lisa and not remembered?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, listen, we know that cadaver dogs hit inside the home.

Robi Ludwig, psychotherapist, I say this as a recovering alcoholic with 17 years of sobriety. When you drink, you can go into a black out. You don`t know what the heck is going on, and you literally do not remember things that have happened. Correct, Robi?

ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Yes. That certainly is possible. Although I would find it hard to imagine, if a mother harmed her child while drinking, that is so traumatic, to not remember that. I mean, anything`s possible, and I`ve learned never to say never, but that would be hard to believe for me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, but actually as we -- I`m telling you, I`ve had blackouts. I was a blackout drinker. You do not know what happened.

LUDWIG: Yes. But did you kill anyone?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s not a psychological condition; it`s a physical condition. You do not know. Your brain has stopped working.

On the other side of the break, we`re going to get more analysis of the key characters. What about the homeless handyman?

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BRADLEY: We woke up and -- I woke up and he came home and he said, "She`s not in her crib."

I said, "What do you mean she`s not in her crib?" And I just knew, you know, that something was really wrong.

We`re running around the house. We were screaming for her, and she was nowhere. And I said, "Call 911, call 911."

And he said, "Where are the phones?" And they weren`t on the counter where I left them. They were gone.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Today the lawyer for Baby Lisa`s parents claim that police have unfairly focused their investigation on the parents. Watch this from "The Today Show."

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JOE TACOPINA, ATTORNEY FOR BABY LISA`S PARENTS: From the getgo, the KCPD had pigeonholed them, unfortunately. And it`s right to start looking for suspects, but they alleviated (ph) other potential avenues of evidence. And they`ve missed massive opportunities.

There were three witnesses who identified a man holding a baby that matched Jersey John`s (ph) description after midnight with just a diaper on. And it`s inconceivable that that wasn`t followed up on immediately.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: There are a slew of other possible suspects in it case. Pay attention. It gets tricky.

OK. There`s the missing child`s mom, her dad, but also her uncle Phillip, who bought wine with Lisa`s mom and then reportedly dropped the mom back home. Baby Lisa has two half-brothers, ages 5 and 8.

Shane, a neighbor who says he smoked and talked with Deb, the mom, the night the child disappeared. There`s also another female neighbor who spent the evening drinking with the mom.

A phone call from one of the Irwins` phones, the missing cell phones, led to this Megan Wright. She`s known as the pink-haired lady. And she`s the ex-girlfriend of Jersey, the local homeless handyman.

Three witnesses also claim they saw a man carrying a baby in the dead of night. And finally, there`s Dave, an alleged felon, who Megan Wright, the pink-haired lady-, says had access to her phone that night.

So many characters. So I want to introduce Judge Mary Ann Gunn. She is with me on set. She is the host of "Last Shot with Judge Gunn."

Thank you for joining us. Judge, essentially, these parents are saying, "Hey, look at this cast of characters. Why are you looking at us when you should be looking at them?" Do you buy it?

JUDGE MARY ANN GUNN, HOST, "LAST SHOT WITH JUDGE GUNN": No, I don`t buy it. It doesn`t pass the smell test. They have -- the police have been investigating this... I mean countless hours. The FBI is on it every single day.

Now, this is a smoke screen, as you referred to earlier, because it just -- who leaves their child from 6:40 at night until Daddy discovers her missing at 2 -- 4 a.m. in the morning? I mean, people don`t leave their dogs alone without checking on their dogs for 10 hours.

When you go back to the very beginning of this case, with all the facts that they have laid out, the mom and the dad, if they just -- it just doesn`t make sense.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wendy Murphy, former prosecutor, why would they do this if they know that cops could find out whether this Web site really existed?

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Oh, please, this Web site

thing makes me -- I just can`t even stop laughing about it; it`s so stupid. I wondered when I heard it whether they had paid a PR company to do it as a stunt.

Look, if you want the public to buy into a narrative that the kid is taken by a stranger, it`s perfect. But it makes no sense.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. So OK. Our expert panel says makes no sense. More on the other side.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: More Baby Lisa on the other side, but here`s what`s trending, your "Viral Video of the Day."

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good boy! Get it! Whoa!

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BRADLEY: I am a mess. I`m frustrated. It has been almost eight months, and we`re not getting any answers. We understand that the

FBI and the KCPD has a job to do, but we need answers. We need Lisa.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s the missing child`s mom, Baby Lisa`s mom, from "The Today Show."

Baby Lisa`s father says in December his debit card was charged 69 bucks by a British Web site that offered a service where you can change somebody`s name. Now six months later, the site is completely different. It`s a stationary company.

We checked around online. And yes, there are Web sites that will help somebody legally change their name. Changing a name, though, is a huge complicated legal document. You need tons of documented proof from both parents. And there isn`t any Web site that we found that would do it for 69 bucks. So I don`t know. This whole story doesn`t really sound legit to all of our expert panelists.

Mike Brooks, HLN law enforcement analyst, if it`s not true, why go out and proactively try to sell this story to the public? Why not just lay low?

BROOKS: Well, why put it out now? You know, and she says she needs answers. Well, there`s somebody else that needs answers, too, Jane, and that`s the KCPD.

All they want to do, they want to interview Jeremy and Deborah separately. But their attorneys won`t allow that. My question is, why? What are they hiding here? I mean that could clear their name. Just

talked to law enforcement, as I said. They have not spoken to the police since October 8.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, here`s the other thing. I think the best point was made by their attorney, Joe Tacopina, who said flat out that Jersey, the alleged homeless handyman, should be the focus on the investigation.

Now, we have video of this guy in court. He was arrested on unrelated charges around the time the child vanished. And we`re going to show you his rap sheet, tell you about it anyway. It includes felony tampering with a vehicle. He pleased "no guilty to that charge."

There he is, Jersey. John "Jersey" Tanko. He works as a handyman. He`s the ex-boyfriend of Megan Wright. She`s the one who owns the cell phone that was called by one of the cell phones belonging to the family of Baby Lisa. And Baby Lisa`s parents claimed that those cell phones were taken when the baby was taken.

Wendy Murphy, what I don`t buy is, I think that the police may be operating or may have a theory that maybe those cell phones weren`t taken, and maybe it was the family itself that called Megan Wright. And if so, why? Why call this particular cell phone?

MURPHY: You know, there you go using common sense again, unlike virtually everyone on the family`s side.

I think that makes the most sense, Jane. The fact that the family is the target of suspicion is the only thing that makes sense. I don`t care if that weirdo homeless guy killed kittens on the front lawn. I know you love animals, but bear with me. There is no reason to be suspicious of

anyone except the parents until they cooperate fully with cops.

This is a lot like the JonBenet Ramsey case. Those two clammed up, stuck together like glue. Would not cooperate and speak separately with the cops. They took the Fifth from the beginning, when parents do that, you stay honed in on that period.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, wait a second. They apologized to the family of JonBenet Ramsey and said that they had falsely...

MURPHY: I don`t care. But look at how they behaved in the beginning. In the beginning you don`t take the Fifth when it`s your child. You submit to whatever they need.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, GUEST HOST: Breaking news tonight out of America`s heartland, where a 10-month-old baby girl, an adorable child, goes missing without a trace, kidnapped from her own crib in the dead of night. The family goes to sleep while Daddy works the night shift. Then the father comes home to find the crib empty and baby Lisa gone, the front door unlocked, a window open, the family`s cell phones missing.

Tonight, the mystery of missing baby Lisa. Where is she?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m terrified, but I`m trying to be hopeful!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our daughter, Lisa, was taken from our home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nightmare!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I came home from work.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Something`s really wrong!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The window was -- in the front was open.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said, She`s not in the crib. And I said, What do you mean she`s not in the crib?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His baby daughter missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police saying that the parents just abruptly refused to continue talking with investigators.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They live here. It`s their child. Who knows more?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I told them everything that I knew.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Search for the missing baby girl, 10-month- old, Lisa Irwin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A team of FBI agents sweep the nearby grounds with metal detectors.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The landfill in Kansas City.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: K-9 units.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Detectives simulated what may have happened.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chasing down everything we can find.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s completed (ph) our family. I can`t be without her!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) the baby just vanishing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just disappeared!

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, in for Nancy Grace. A 10-month-old baby girl reported missing from her Missouri home, kidnapped from her own crib in the middle of the night.

For the very latest, let`s go straight to CNN correspondent Ed Lavandera live in Kansas City, where the search for the baby is under way. Ed, what`s the latest?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, that search continues, and we`ve seen people and investigators continue to return here to the house here in this Kansas City neighborhood. That is the house you see behind me, the greenish-toned house, where baby Lisa was abducted almost exactly a week ago.

So clearly, as time passes by, this news becomes potentially much more devastating and much more serious. But the investigators that we`ve seen coming back here to this house are focusing on an area in the back of the house with -- where there`s a creek. We`ve seen them the last few days repeatedly go back there. We`ve seen investigators out here with metal detectors, working in the front yard and in the yards and in the areas around the house. They continue to do that. That`s been an area of focus that they`ve done over the last three or four days.

So that is what they continue to do. Despite all of that, they say they have no leads, no concrete evidence as to where baby Lisa might be.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Joe Gomez, reporter, KTRH News Radio, it`s my understanding that authorities -- and I`ve actually seen the video -- did a demonstration for themselves of whether or not somebody could break into the home by climbing through the window. And one of the officers who climbed through the window in question -there he is -- got in but said that, well, it wasn`t easy to get in. Now,

it`s a ground floor...

JOE GOMEZ, KTRH: It wasn`t easy!

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joe Gomez...

GOMEZ: It wasn`t easy to get in!

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... what do you know?

GOMEZ: That`s right, Jane. I mean, well, I mean, at issue here is whether or not somebody broke into this home through this window. Could they do that in the middle of the night, in the dead of night? So police officers were trying to demonstrate how easy -- if it would be easy, indeed, to break into the house through the window.

Obviously, an officer is crawling in through the window, but the window comes falling down on his legs. Additionally, he needs help to even be boosted up to the window. So that`s curious. Did that really happen? Is that how somebody got in there and stole that 10-month-old baby girl, just snatched her out of her crib?

I don`t know, Jane. So right now, we`re trying to debunk (SIC) this thing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`ll say that it`s happened before. Jessica Lunsford was taken out of her home while she was sleeping. Elizabeth Smart was taken out of her home while she was in bed sleeping. It happens.

And climbing through a first floor window is not the toughest thing in the world, Bill Grady, reporter, News Radio 980 KMBZ. Why the skepticism about this story?

BILL GRADY, NEWS RADIO 980, KMBZ (via telephone): Well, I think, Jane, that the skepticism about the story stems from the fact that there have been some inconsistencies with the way that the parents have conducted themselves.

Now, initially, things were going reasonably well, and then on Friday, the Kansas City, Missouri, police say that the couple -- and that would be Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin -- ceased to cooperate with them. They came back and said, No, that`s not it at all. We just needed a break from the long questioning. And they were also a little bit concerned about the fact that in the questioning -- which is this is fairly routine -- they were separated and put into two different -- two different rooms while the questions were asked.

Later on, Deborah Bradley admitted to national media that she had actually failed a polygraph test. So you know, it is not altogether unusual that a family -- it`s generally someone close -- is put under the spotlight, at least initially.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but they said that they stopped cooperating, quote, unquote, because they were just exhausted. They had been interviewed for hours and they just said, We needed a break. And then apparently, Ed, they came back and started cooperating again, and law enforcement said, Never mind, they`re cooperating again.

So I guess it boils down to this. Does the father have an alibi? He says he was at work. Was he seen at work? And B, the mother, who was the

last person to see the child before she disappeared, did she or did she not fail a polygraph, Ed?

LAVANDERA: That`s what -- what she`s been telling people, and we`ve gotten this from family members, as well, is that police told her that she had failed the polygraph test when she was talking to them last week in the days just after the abduction.

And obviously, the father was at -- working an overnight shift. He`s an electrician. Apparently, that is out of the ordinary. That`s not a normal shift from him. He had gotten home at 4:00 o`clock in the morning. SO the only person in the house was the mother, Deborah Bradley, and the two older boys that also live -- under the age of 10 that live in the house. And I was told that those boys had fallen asleep watching a movie in a bedroom together.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We have Captain Steve Young from the Kansas City Police Department on the phone. Sir, I know you`re very busy, and I know your top priority is finding this child, and that`s why law enforcement has done extensive searches in the area. I know what you can`t tell me, but what can you tell me about this investigation?

CAPT. STEVE YOUNG, KANSAS CITY PD (via telephone): Well, the only thing I guess I can say is -- unfortunately, it`s something I`ve said before -- we don`t have any suspects and we`re still working our tails off to try to figure out what happened.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did she or did she not fail a polygraph?

YOUNG: Well, she`s free to say what she would like, but we don`t talk about the details of the investigation, so I can`t go down that road.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Well, at one point, it was said that they were not cooperating. They went on national television, said, Hey, we were just tired. We want to cooperate. This has been exhausting. Certainly, I have no idea what I would be like if my precious 10-month-old disappeared. I`d be a wreck, maybe impossible for me to stand up and even say a word that made sense. And then apparently, they met with you again, and then the police have announced that they are cooperating

So what`s the latest on that front, Captain?

YOUNG: Well, you know, the way you map it out is correct, but we`d really rather not look backward. We`re just glad that they`re cooperating with the investigation again. I don`t have to go on and on about how, surely, they know more about what`s going on in that house than anybody else. And for us to find this missing child, they have to be a part of the investigation. They have to be helping us out. So we`re glad that they`re back to the table with us.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: One last question, Captain. What about other possibilities? I understand there was a handyman in the area who disappeared and who hasn`t been seen. Obviously, you checked the sex offenders. What`s happening on that front?

YOUNG: Well, you know, everybody`s talking about the parents, but you can`t forget that there`s a whole other part of this thing. And we`ve, you know, tracked down -- well, I can say we`ve received probably by now 300 tips and leads, and we`ve tracked down every single one of them that have anything to go on. So our command post is operational 24 hours a day, and we`re getting a lot of help from local and federal agencies that are farming people out to us, and they`re coming and going from the command post all day long,

tracking down leads. So we`re very busy.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joe Gomez, I had heard a report that there were search dogs that did not track this child anywhere outside the home. But then again, when you are an infant, you`re not walking on the ground, you`re being held. And so it might be that there was nothing to track. That`s -- does that point one way or another?

GOMEZ: That`s good question, Jane. Now, additionally, searchers were also using metal detectors to scour around the home because, apparently, there were three cell phones missing from the house when this little baby was allegedly kidnapped, as well.

But yes, you`re right, if there was a stranger here that was just walking by and then broke into the house through the window and then picked up this 10-month-old baby girl and obviously carried her out the door, there has to be something there, maybe a footprint, something.

So hopefully -- search crews, you know, they`re going through this with a fine-tooth comb, Jane, and just trying to just get one clue, one clue so we can find out what happened to this beautiful baby girl!

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, it`s such an adorable child! Look at that little angel. We`re all frantic. I mean, just the idea that something has happened to her -- she`s out there somewhere. Someone has taken her who doesn`t have her best interests at heart. It`s horrifying to anybody, anybody with a heart.

Mally (ph) in Texas, your question or thought? Mally? All right, well, we`re going to go on to Sheeba, Illinois. Sheeba, Illinois -- all right.

Mally, you`re back. Mally in Texas, your question or thought, Mally?

All right, I think what we`re going to do is go to the one and only Pat Brown, criminal profiler. What do you make of this situation?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, Jane, it`s a little confusing because the police are really giving not giving out much information. And they`re kind of giving out strange information. First of all, they`re saying, We can`t talk about the case, but we can tell you the parents stopped cooperating, and we can tell you the parents are now cooperating. OK, that`s talking about the case. But you won`t talk about the polygraph. So you`ll talk about what you want to talk about.

They also say the parents -- We`re glad they are cooperating because the parents know more about what happened in that home. Well, not -- yes and no. If all you did was put your child to bed and go to sleep and the child disappears, you don`t know anything more because your child was abducted and you haven`t got a clue. If something happened in the home and you were responsible, then you do know more.

So I keep thinking that the police keep putting the focus back on the parents. For some reason, they`re not buying the mother`s story. I don`t know what she said in the interview room. Maybe there were a lot of red flags that went up, and that`s why they`re looking at her.

I am glad, theoretically, they`re keeping those other options open because it could be something else. I`d like to see them bring in some cadaver dogs if they think that baby didn`t make it out of the home alive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it`s interesting because so often, we`ve seen people who sob on camera, and later, we find out that perhaps their tears are not genuine. But this mother seems -- when she`s sobbing, to me anyway, it seems like real tears of a devastated, hysterical mother.

It is week four of season 13 of "Dancing With the Stars," and our very own Nancy Grace is dancing for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Tonight, she is doing the paso doble. So be sure to vote. You can vote multiple times for Nancy and her dancing partner, Tristan MacManus. And everybody here at the NANCY GRACE show says, Good luck, Nancy. You can win this thing! We know you can. Vote for Nancy.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look at this picture.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The baby just vanishing (INAUDIBLE) difficult.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Look and keep thinking about this infant.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were all shocked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jeremy Irwin calls 911 to report his 10-monthold baby daughter, Lisa, was missing from her crib. When Kansas City, Missouri, police arrived, they learned the baby`s mother, Deborah

Bradley, was the last person to see Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please! Bring her home!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lisa`s parents reported her missing, but police say they haven`t received a single solid lead in her disappearance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The FBI began their investigation focussing on baby Lisa`s bedroom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re chasing things as they come down. The best thing for us to try to find this child -- that`s our number one priority.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s zero, zero doubt in Deborah.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please! Just drop her off anywhere!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you don`t have any other suspects, the one person that was there that night.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We don`t care! Just somewhere safe where she can come home! Please!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) finger (ph) out, you know?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Somebody`s got her somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They live here. It`s their child. Who knows more?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I told them everything that I knew.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Their involvement in this investigation is critical.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, as authorities said, it is their child, who knows more? However, there are other people that are connected to this family. This is what you might call a blended family. The mother and the father of this precious missing child both have children from other relationships.

Ed Lavandera, CNN correspondent, what do you know about the husband, the current husband, of the mother of this missing baby, not the child`s father?

LAVANDERA: Right. Well, what we do know -- I`m sorry, were you talking about the father of Lisa?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. The mother of this little child, right...

LAVANDERA: Right. Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: She has -- her boyfriend, with whom she had this

little child. She also has a husband, who is in the Army, to whom she is still married. What do we know about that person? Has he been contacted by authorities? Where is he?

LAVANDERA: Just to be clear, baby Lisa is the child of the two people, obviously, you`ve been showing, Lisa (SIC) and her -- and her -- the man she lives with here, technically not her husband, because as you mentioned, she, according to reports, married to someone else. But there are other -- two older boys that are brothers to baby Lisa, as well. And those are each -- the husband has -- or the man has one and -- and Lisa`s mother has a boy from a previous marriage. So obviously, you know, a complicated situation there.

How that plays into all of this -- you know, look, as you`ve mentioned from -- you know, and kind of got the sense from talking to Steve Young, details like this are kind of hard to sift through, and the family isn`t terribly forthcoming about what it means and how it all kind of factors into the situation we`re dealing with right now.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Captain Steve Young, this child has two parents. They are not married. The mother of this child is still married to another man, with whom she had another child, who is slightly older, I believe 6 years old. What do we know about that husband, who is reportedly in the Army? Is he based in the United States or is he overseas? Have you talked to him?

YOUNG: Well, honestly, the (INAUDIBLE) thing that I can say for sure is that I`m aware that both of the parents, the biological parents of the missing child. Her marital status or previous relationships, I don`t know and I wouldn`t be able to address anyway. However, I`m sure our detectives are knee deep in it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Pat Brown, it`s significant because we have to

look at everybody in this family, not just the two individuals that are there.

BROWN: Oh, it`s extremely significant. I mean, you have to make sure that there isn`t some other problem going on with a previous relationship, some ongoing antagonism. They would want to know whether this husband is anywhere near the area, whether he could have been angry with them and wanted to do something to the couple, or whether he`s completely overseas and has absolutely nothing to do with anything and they know he`s not involved because he has one of the most solid alibis you can possibly have.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I mean, let`s face it, Wendy Walsh -- and we have no idea who this husband is, or whether he`s in the United States or maybe in Afghanistan or another part of the world. But obviously, if you`re still married to someone and they are living with somebody else and having a child with somebody else, that raises an obvious question of whether you might be thrilled about that.

WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: Exactly. I mean, when we`re talking about these complicated blended families, where there may or may not be legal marriage, you`re also talking about two exes and two potentials for big feelings of envy. And envy can be a very dangerous feeling.

What about that dad`s ex-wife? Where is she in this mess? It`s very confusing. But you should know, Jane, that children in a house with a non- biological parent have a much higher risk of abuse.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We need every tip that we can get. We need every lead we can get.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The police say they haven`t received a single solid lead in her disappearance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s out there and we`re just waiting around, waiting around to see her again.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We went around the house and we`re screaming for her and (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Search for missing Missouri baby.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ten-month-old Lisa Irwin.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who vanished from her home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lisa`s father arrived home after being at work.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And there was -- and the front was open.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The front door unlocked, lights on in the home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our number one goal is to find this child.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you have any tips at all, no matter how small, make a call.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It only takes one. It really does.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please! Please! Please! Call the tips hotline!

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, straight out to Bill Grady, reporter, News Radio 980 KMBZ. You have information about the mother of this child, her estranged husband. What do you know?

GRADY: Well, what we know is that she has been with Jeremy Irwin, according to a neighbor, and living in that house for about two years and has been separated from Sean (ph) Bradley for about four years. A reporter colleague of mine went out to the house and said that Mr. Bradley is actually in the service and not in the country.

And I think it`s important to point out that no one has been named as a suspect or even a person of interest in this case. And with regard...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Exactly. And you answered a question. You answered the question. He`s out of the country. He can`t be involved.

I want to unleash, as Nancy would say, the lawyers. That`s her phrase, but it applies here because we got two of them, John Burris and Carmen St. George. What do you make of the fact that this is a very small house, John, and presumably, somebody broke in through the window, broke the screen, turned on all the lights, took the child and walked out the front door possibly without waking the mother?

JOHN BURRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It seems to me very unlikely to occur under that way. It`s hard for me to imagine that someone who`s just walking by goes to the window, not knowing where he is, and takes a baby and makes a bunch of noise going through, given the example of the demonstration, seems like it`s very unlikely it could have been done very quietly.

It`s very surprising to me. If I were the police, I`d have some suspiciousness around the statement given by the mother. That doesn`t mean it didn`t happen, but I think you have to be very concerned about it, given the size of the house and the circumstances under which they claim it occurred.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Carmen St. George, can`t cops have tunnel vision sometimes, however?

CARMEN ST. GEORGE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think that all of us, Jane, when we`re thinking about a child as the victim or the person that`s

missing, have a focus. And that`s what I would call it. I wouldn`t call it tunnel vision. It`s more that we`re passionate and we`re focused on finding the baby.

I think it`s extremely unusual that this would occur by somebody who`s unrelated to the family or by somebody who`s unknown to the family.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You are looking, by the way, at exclusive video from ABC from inside baby Lisa`s home. We hope and pray that this child is found alive, and we will stay on this story. Where is baby Lisa?

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, GUEST HOST: Breaking news tonight in the search for a 10-month-old baby girl kidnapped from her own crib in the dead of night in America`s heartland. The family goes to sleep while Daddy works the night shift. Then he comes home to find the crib empty and baby Lisa gone, the front door unlocked, a window open, the family`s cell phones missing.

And now, in a bombshell development tonight, baby Lisa`s aunt says she believes cops will arrest the mother -- will arrest the mother. And it`s all as reports surface there`s secret surveillance video of baby Lisa`s mom at a local grocery store with a mystery man just hours before her 10-month- old is last seen in her crib. Investigators now scouring a vacant lot just a half mile from baby Lisa`s home, where search teams discover a well hidden under a deck.

Tonight, what happened to baby Lisa?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please! Bring her home!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s out there. She`s somebody`s daughter somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The latest search, a lot of people here searching for Lisa Irwin.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If all you did was put your child to bed and go to sleep and the child disappears.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did she or did she not fail a polygraph?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don`t know anything more because your child was abducted and you haven`t got a clue.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No suspects, no leads.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The only thing we know is that this 10-monthold belongs in this house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The baby`s mother, Deborah Bradley, was the last person to see Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Someone suggested they check the old well or cistern. Firefighters went down into the well about 30 feet deep.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If something happened in the home and you were responsible, then you do know more.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When she put her daughter to bed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The home here is the one you see right behind me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The FBI began their investigation focusing on baby Lisa`s bedroom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Detectives simulated what may have happened, someone crawling through a window and snatching the girl.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you have any, any tips at all, no matter how small, make a call.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We want them to bring Lisa back here now.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, in tonight for Nancy Grace. Stunning developments tonight out of Kansas City, Missouri, in the search for 10-month-old baby Lisa, reported missing

from her own crib in the dead of night.

For the very latest, let`s go straight to CNN correspondent Ed Lavandera, who is live on the scene in Kansas City, Missouri -- Ed.

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Jane. Well, the focus of today was really the search about -- less than about a half mile away from where we are in this neighborhood here in Kansas City where baby Lisa was abducted now more than a week ago. But police said they got a tip about a well behind an abandoned house. And then from there, firefighters and police detectives descended on the house, a group of about 25 or so. They cordoned off a street and they started digging into this well.

They had to bring in these tanks to remove the water that was in it. And all of this took about four hours. And after doing all of that, police came out simply to announce that they didn`t find anything in that well. So another disheartening day as the search for this little baby girl continues, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I want to go to Edith Caray, who lives near the vacant home that was searched by cops. Tell us about this area because we understand that this home has been vacant for a number of years and that a tip did lead authorities there. What is it about this area that they searched that is suspicious, Edith?

EDITH CARAY, LIVES NEAR SEARCH LOCATION (via telephone): Well, I know that the home has been empty for several years, and I had no idea who the owner was or anything like that. But the brush around the home had grown up so bad that you really didn`t even know that there was a home, let alone especially a deck on the back.

But the brush has been cleared away probably at least a month. And so when I heard the sirens and the helicopters overhead, then everybody was around, I knew then that they must be searching for the baby Lisa.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And unfortunately, they did not find any concrete evidence of anything. This is a desperate search. I want to go to Joe Gomez, reporter, KTRH News Radio. Of all the new developments that are, wow, really bizarre, I think the most bizarre is that investigators reportedly got or went to get surveillance video from a nearby grocery store that shows the mother of the missing girl shopping with a mystery man. What do you know, Joe Gomez?

JOE GOMEZ, KTRH RADIO: That`s right, Jane. This is very strange. I mean, only hours before baby Lisa was reportedly abducted, Mommy is at this nearby grocery store with this strange man who is not, by the way, not baby Lisa`s father. She`s at this grocery store with this strange man, purchases a box of wine, you know, several jars of baby food, baby wipes and then leaves.

Now police are trying to figure out, apparently, who this strange guy was and why in the world did Mommy buy a box of wine? Hours later -- hours later, Jane, baby Lisa is allegedly snatched from her crib and Mommy is buying a box of wine! Very strange here.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. However, Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation, if you think about it, if you were going to do anything untoward to your child, why buy baby wipes and baby food? I think it`s very exonerating, although you`ve got to wonder why she`s off buying a box of wine with a mystery man. Marc Klaas.

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION (via telephone): Sure. Jane, if the mom told the police that she had gone to that supermarket and

made those purchases, there`s nothing strange about that at all. And certainly, buying wine -- there`s absolutely nothing strange about people buying wine. People all over America buy wine all the time.

I think there`s some much more troubling aspects of this case than that, depending on how that whole scenario plays out. But the whole idea that she told people that the police told her that she had failed a lie detector test -- now there are people within the family saying that the mother is expecting to be arrested -- these send terrible, terrible messages.

The whole idea that the father last week decided he was tired of taking -- tired of being interrogated, while there are dozens if not hundreds of cops from multi-jurisdictional agencies going into wells, going into sewers, going into drainage ditches, beating the brush, doing everything they can, giving up their time to look for this little girl is also very, very troubling.

That`s why a week later, the police still are focused on this family.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Marc Harrold, former cop, Atlanta PD, attorney and author of "Observations of White Noise," I wouldn`t think anything of anybody getting some wine, although I`m a recovering alcoholic. If you`re in recovery, you shouldn`t be getting any wine. I have no idea what this woman`s situation is. There`s no indication that she is.

However, given that her child, her precious baby, disappears several hours later, I would certainly be curious to know who is this mystery man that she is allegedly purportedly getting wine with? What happened to the wine? Did they drink a box of wine? And could that be the reason why if there was an intruder who barged in her window, which is what she claims, leaving the screen basically pushed in, turning on all the lights and walking out with the child -- is it possible

that she didn`t hear or see any of this because she was passed out, Marc?

MARC HARROLD, FMR. OFFICER, ATLANTA PD: Yes, I mean, all of those are factors. I agree with Marc Klaas. There`s nothing really suspicious about going out and buying the wine and the other things she bought.

What I`d want to know is whether she included that in the chronology that she gave to the police. When the initial investigator talked to her, did she talk about this trip? Did she talk about who this man is? If she didn`t include the trip and it`s fairly close proximity to the time the child appears to have disappeared, it`s very relevant.

I don`t think what she bought or the fact that she made the trip is all that suspicious, but it is possible anytime somebody`s child disappears, anytime somebody is not aware of something going on in the home where they are, you have to look at the fact, is there is some factor that made them less aware, and alcohol can be that factor.

So I think these are things that need to be discussed. They need to be fleshed out. But I agree with Marc, just the fact that she bought it is not really suspicious. Did she tell the police about it? And who`s that man?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Randy Kessler, defense attorney, does this mom need to lawyer up?

RANDY KESSLER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Absolutely. I mean, we`re talking about her as a potential suspect. The whole world`s thinking

about her. Maybe she did it, maybe she didn`t do it, but I mean, what`s sad to me is how often family members are involved. And if there`s that general prejudice or bias or leaning to look suspiciously at the mom, absolutely, she should have a lawyer.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, John Manuelian, defense attorney, the police have to eliminate those closest to the missing individual first. That`s where they look. Of course, you can see right there they`re also searching hither and yon for this child. It`s not like they`re doing everything -- or nothing but talking to the mother. They`re doing everything they possibly can. So I don`t think you can accuse them of having tunnel vision when they are searching everywhere that they can for this child.

JOHN MANUELIAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right. But we want to also keep into perspective that the mom and dad right now are victims and they shouldn`t be treated as suspects. So I agree with Randy. At this point in time, the best person to put their problems with is a lawyer to communicate with the police, make sure there`s no miscommunication between the parents and the police and make sure the investigation is done properly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I`ve got to bring in Sherry Blake, a clinical psychologist. There seems to be a bizarre theme in this case that the family that lost this child -- the child may very well have been abducted, that`s what they`re saying -- they sort of keep bringing this subject back to themselves. The mother says cops told her she failed a polygraph. The cops say no comment. Now an aunt is saying, Oh, well, we think it`s inevitable that this woman`s going to be arrested, the mother. The cops are not saying that.

Why is this family sort of pointing at themselves?

SHERRY BLAKE, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: You know, that`s one thing that`s a real concern. If you -- most mothers of a 10-month-old, number one, it`s very difficult to sleep all night. So if you have a 10month-old sleeping in a room, you`re very hypersensitive. And then to turn the attention on you definitely raises questions. I would be quite concerned.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Let`s listen to Lisa`s aunt. She reportedly told ABC News that Lisa`s mother, the missing child`s mother, this infant`s mother, is preparing for the possibility that she will be arrested.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think Deborah may be facing an arrest?

ASHLEY IRWIN, AUNT: Probably, to be real honest with you, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why?

IRWIN: Because it`s what the police do. They don`t have any leads, so they have to pin it on somebody.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think it`s inevitable?

IRWIN: Yes, kind of.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think there`s something about this that maybe you don`t know, that maybe she`s not told you?

IRWIN: Nope. No doubt in my mind.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why? You seem very convinced. Why is that?

IRWIN: I`m absolutely -- because I just -- if anybody spends any time with them, you just know it`s not true. She`s genuine. She loves that child. It`s her baby. She would never do anything to hurt her.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s baby Lisa`s aunt, Ashley Irwin, on ABC`s "Good Morning America."

Joe Gomez, the police say nothing could be further from the truth. What do you know?

GOMEZ: Well, we understand that the parents have been cooperating with the police. They still are, apparently. Now, last week, there was some issue when the parents apparently told the police that they wanted to get a break. They said they had too much of the spotlight, too much of this limelight that`s focused on them right now, so they wanted to get a break away from police officers.

Afterwards, police reportedly said that they weren`t cooperating. However, now we do understand that the family is cooperating with police. They`ve been distributing flyers. They`re been, you know, going door to door, trying to -- trying to, you know, get the word out to try to find their beautiful 10-month-old baby girl, baby Lisa, who`s now been missing for a week, Jane!

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a 10-month-old that isn`t where she belongs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This search continued as officers looked inside neighbors` homes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please! Bring her home! Our two other boys are waiting for her! Please! Just drop her off anywhere!

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please! Just drop her off anywhere! We don`t care. Just somewhere safe!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A complete mystery at this time. Police still say that they have no strong leads.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The FBI and police are stumped on this one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No idea where little Lisa Irwin might be.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Baby just vanishing. It`s difficult.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Their investigation focusing on baby Lisa`s bedroom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That window has been the center and the focus of this investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I came home from work, the front door was unlocked and the window was -- in the front was open.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The baby`s mother was the last person to see Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Something`s really wrong! We were wandering around the house and we`re screaming for her! And she was nowhere!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The parents of the little girl not speaking with investigators.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And I don`t have to illustrate how that, you know, affects the investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Deborah Bradley admits she failed a polygraph test.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s like they just walked in and just disappeared!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Clearly, as time passes by, this news becomes much more devastating and much more serious.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where is baby Lisa? Jane Velez-Mitchell, filling in for Nancy Grace. And here`s a very disturbing fact, because there`s no way to celebrate. Baby Lisa turns 11 months old today, but this precious child is missing. Where is she? Cops frantically searching. They searched a vacant house. You see them searching there. They went into a well. They did not come up with anything.

Let`s go out to Ed Lavandera, CNN correspondent, who is at the home. We`re going to show you a graphic of the home, of the layout of the home, and we want you, Ed, to describe the home because it`s a very tiny home, from what we understand. Now, the claim is that somebody entered through the window, grabbed the child and then went out the front door, leaving all the lights on. How could that happen in a small house without the mother inside the house realizing it?

LAVANDERA: Not only that, Jane, but there was also two older little boys in the house under the age of 10, but older than the baby, that I was -- I`ve been told had fallen asleep watching a movie in another bedroom.

But essentially, if you look, it`s that window on the right edge of the home there -- that was the window where authorities have been talking about where perhaps this intruder went into the house. But interestingly enough, behind that window is not the room where baby Lisa was sleeping at this time.

So if this, indeed, is the case, someone would have had to have gone through that window, walked through a portion of the house, found the crib, grabbed the baby and then, as you mentioned, walked out the front door.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, my understanding is that the mother was asleep with a little kitten that they had rescued that day, as well as her youngest son.

Sherry Blake, clinical psychologist, you have a 6-year-old and an 8year-old. They could have absolutely crucial information about what happened in the dead of night, where one minute the child is there, the next minute the child is gone. How do you talk to a 6-year-old and an 8- year-old boy about this?

BLAKE: One of the things I would do is put them in therapy. Put them with a licensed clinical psychologist or a child therapist. Give them an opportunity to tell their stories.

What`s interesting -- no one has ever talked about how these children are dealing with the issues. Are they traumatized? Are they upset? And that would be a definite telltale sign about something, or the tone of the house overall. I would be very...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Marc Klaas, my understanding -- go ahead.

Finish up.

BLAKE: I was just going to say I`d be very curious about the other children in the home. And most of all, I`m very curious about what was mom doing or dad doing while they were, quote, "taking a break" That is your child, and most people would be hysterical by now, and especially for a 10- month-old child.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but then again, I don`t want to judge because I will not judge somebody if I haven`t walked in their shoes, and who knows how any of us would react if our precious baby was suddenly missing. We might collapse, we might say to the cops, I`ve told you everything I know, I need to rest here for a few minutes, because that`s when police said they were not cooperating, and then they came back after a rest and started talking again, and now they are cooperating.

Deborah, Arizona. We`re going to go to the calls. We`re going to go to Deborah, Arizona. Your question or thought, Deborah.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Jane. How are you?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Fine, thanks. What`s your question or thought?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is this mystery man. Where does he come from? Do we know his background? Could he be the child`s father? Do any of the family members know him?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I will say that the father was at work, OK? So no, I don`t think it`s the father. But the question is a very good one.

Who is the mystery man spotted shopping with the mother hours before the child disappeared? And what happened to the wine they purportedly bought?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was her father who had discovered her missing, according to police, when he came home after working an overnight shift and found that her crib was empty at 4:00 o`clock in the morning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: National media saying that there are charges imminent against the mother of Lisa Irwin. Is that true?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it`s a bit of a stretch.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A very unfortunate anniversary.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please, please, please!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One week since Lisa Irwin has gone missing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Call the tips hotline if you know where she`s at.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re tracking down everything and we`re working hard in all directions, no doubt about it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can`t be without her!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It really just takes the one right nugget of information.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It only takes one. It really does.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To kick this thing off in high gear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just please bring her home!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that`s what we`re still looking and waiting for.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where is baby Lisa? An extraordinary mystery, a frantic search. Tonight, we are learning a couple of things. First of all, we`re learning that the mother of the child went shopping at 5:00 PM, approximately, purportedly with a mystery man, and bought a box of wine. Now, the mother has said that she last checked on the child and

saw the child in the child`s room at approximately 10:30 PM. And then she says she went to sleep with another child, an older boy. I believe it was the 6- year-old boy.

Dad comes home at 4:00 AM, and he has said, according to published reports, that he notices that the baby`s door is open, when it`s usually closed. So he goes and checks, and that`s when he discovers at about 4:00, 4:30 in the morning that the child is missing. And he has said the intruder had to know what they were looking for because they went to that baby`s room and opened the door.

Joe Gomez, what do we know about this family? It`s called a blended family. Tell us about that.

GOMEZ: Yes, that`s right, Jane, because baby Lisa`s mother is actually married to a man who`s in the military and is presently overseas. Now, it`s important to note this is not the biological father of baby Lisa. Baby Lisa`s biological father was working the night shift at the time he was allegedly kidnapped, and who subsequently reported kidnapped, allegedly, that next morning. So that`s what you mean by this is a blended family.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. The mother of this missing child has a husband to which she is -- to whom she is still married, although they are estranged, and he is serving in the armed forces and he is reportedly overseas and according to that published report, cannot be involved in this whatsoever. He`s not around.

I want to go to the callers again. Sheeba, Illinois. Your question or thought, Sheeba?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Jane. This seems like such a witch`s brew they got going on here. But I think they ought to look at that mother a little bit closer. She`s (INAUDIBLE) in my intestinal (ph) fortitude (ph), I see Susan Smith, and that just gives me total chills up my back.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I look at her face...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... we don`t want to jump to any conclusions. That`s -- Susan Smith, obviously, responsible for the death of her children, driven into a lake. And she originally claimed that they were carjacked, and then admitted that she was responsible for the deaths of her own children. We do not want to make that leap.

This mother is not considered a suspect. She has not been charged with anything. And she says she is cooperating with law enforcement.

We`ll have more when we come right back, new developments.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trying to find this child.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Missing from her crib.

JEREMY IRWIN, MISSING 10-MONTH-OLD INFANT`S FATHER: This is her Barney that she sleeps with every night.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Around 10:30 when she put her daughter to bed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Make sure he was in the crib in case she needed it.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The one person that was there that night, the last person to see her.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The baby`s mother --

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The front door unlocked.

IRWIN: Most of the lights were on in the house.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The window just on the edge of the house there, but they had found open.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Ten-month-old daughter gone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We were running around the house and were screaming for her and she was nowhere.

IRWIN: We want to have her back so she could have her family, her

brothers. Just we need her home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The only thing I can think of is, you know, maybe somebody wanted a baby. And she -- I hope that`s what it is.

IRWIN: I came home from work. The front door was unlocked. Most of the lights were on in the house. And the window in the front was open. Obviously all very unusual. And then I started checking on the kids, checked on the boys first, and then we checked on her, and that`s when we realized she was gone.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where is baby Lisa? Jane Velez-Mitchell filling in for Nancy Grace tonight.

The missing child`s aunt was on "GMA" and seemed to be saying that she expected the missing child`s mother to be arrested. Well, tonight she is clarifying that position and saying, no, she really didn`t mean that she thought the arrest of baby Lisa`s mom, Deborah Bradley`s arrest was imminent. She`s saying, no, no, no, that`s not really what I meant to say.

And cops are saying it couldn`t be further from the truth, that the mother is not considered a suspect or even a person of interest.

I find it pretty fascinating, and I want to go out to Edith Caray who lives just a couple of blocks from where all this is going down.

You live near the vacant home that was searched by cops today which is only about five or six blocks away from the home from which the child disappeared.

Edith, tell us about the mood in that neighborhood. Is there fear? Is there concern that maybe there might be a predator on the loose?

EDITH CARAY, LIVES NEAR VACANT HOME COPS SEARCHED FOR MISSING 10- MONTH-OLD INFANT (via phone): Yes, we`re all concerned about anybody that seems to be walking around that we don`t recognize and people late at night, you know. We all like to think people should stay home once it gets dark.

But this abandoned home had been uncovered from all the brushes and vines and things, and so when the police officers had evidently learned of that cistern, they took and acted upon it just to make sure that they`re following up on anything that could maybe lead them to that baby. And I just pray that they do find the baby, baby Lisa, find her very soon and healthy.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Marc Harrold, you`re a former police officer. What does it tell you that they`re searching in the immediate vicinity. Five to six block away. The search seems to be concentrated right in the area where this family lives.

MARC HARROLD, FORMER OFFICER, ATLANTA PD, ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "OBSERVATIONS OF WHITE NOISE": Well, that`s the last place the baby was seen. I mean you have to start there. If you don`t have a lead placing the baby for certain in a different place, that the only place you really have is in the proximity of the home. They`re moving outward from the home. They may think that`s in a lot of abandoned houses people -- transient people, homeless people may be living.

They may have had some tips that there were someone like that in the neighborhood that they can`t account for, or the people weren`t familiar with. But yes, until you have somewhere else to look, the only thing you can do is start at the house, determine that the child is no longer in the home and then work outward from there.

And my guess is they`re just being systematic and searching anywhere that the child may be and then they`re going to rule places out and keep moving.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to go to calls in a second. But first, Marc Klaas, president and founder of KlaasKids. There are reports from local residents that police have questioned them about a homeless man that was seen in the neighborhood about two weeks ago riding around on a red bicycle seeking handy work and that now that the child has disappeared, that homeless man who was a potential handyman is nowhere to be found, which of course reminds me of the Elizabeth Smart case, where the transient actually did work in the home and then came back and abducted little Elizabeth Smart. Marc.

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION (via phone): Yes. Yes, that`s absolutely true. And, you know, there are also reports - - remember this, Jane, there were reports that a man was seen walking away with a baby late on the evening that baby Lisa disappeared.

And the mother also said that she left the front door unlocked that very night. The father also said that whoever got into the house knew where they were going because they went right to the baby`s room.

This severely limits the universe of possibilities. This is basically telling

me that this is very much a local crime, and the answer to this crime exists within that community.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, what I find very fascinating is that the aunt, who was on "GMA", was asked who was on the surveillance video with Deborah Bradley, the missing child`s mother, at approximately 5:30, this mystery man -- who is this mystery man who is shopping? And buying a box of wine with the mother of the missing child.

And she said, reportedly, I don`t have any comment on that. Not I don`t know who it is, I have no idea, you`d have to ask police. She said, "I don`t have any comment on that."

John Manuelian, what is your reaction to that reaction?

JOHN MANUELIAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, that`s exactly, Jane, why these -- this family needs an attorney, to do all the PR work, to deal with the media, and to deal with the police.

Look, the family is making statements that they shouldn`t be making. These are damning statements, it potentially is tainting the jury pool if she is arrested because people are watching your show. So they should keep their mouth shut, get an attorney to speak on their behalf. Otherwise they`re going to dig themselves a very, very deep hole that they may not be able to climb out of.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but Randy Kessler, if she has absolutely nothing to hide, isn`t it kind of dangerous to get an attorney? Doesn`t that kind of make you look a little suspicious?

RANDY KESSLER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No. I mean, you know, she already looks suspicious. And John is right, they`ve got to get a lawyer. Now there`s another wrinkle, which is she`s married. And this father who may be in Afghanistan or may be overseas, maybe he`s got a buddy or somebody that wants to avenge him.

I mean there are things you do. You get divorced, before you move on, get into another relationship, have a child. Somebody is going to be angry about the fact that she`s moved along, maybe it`s somebody -who knows. But yes, all eyes are going to be on her. Get a lawyer.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me say this. This woman is crying hysterically which looks very believable to me. I have to say, and I`m not tooting my own horn, but quite often when people who have ended up becoming suspects, get on camera they look phony.

This mother looks perfectly, perfectly genuine to me. She`s sobbing hysterically as any mother would who has lost her child. She looks absolutely terrified and frantic. She does not in any way to me radiate anything that is suspicious.

Sherry Blake, what say you?

SHERRY BLAKE, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: You know, one of the things you can say, you know, she looks, you know, genuine. We really don`t know. I would like to think so, because as a mother, you know, those -- that`s her child and you want to make sure, you know, that she is looking out for the best interests and quite concerned. We don`t know that.

And we have seen that many times over on TV. People come on, they

look very, very sad. But we don`t know what was going on before. We don`t know what has happened and we definitely don`t know what`s to come yet. So I can`t go by looks alone.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let`s remember that she is not a suspect in this case and she is a mother who has lost a child and she deserves our compassion. OK, that`s the default position to have. Yes, absolutely it is.

BLAKE: Absolutely.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I know you would agree.

Elaine -- we`re going back to the callers. Elaine, Illinois, OK, you`re on the phone. What is your question or thought, Elaine?

ELAINE, CALLER FROM ILLINOIS: Hi, Jane. I want again --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.

ELAINE: I talked to you before and I just want again to tell you that I`m very proud of your sobriety.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you.

ELAINE: I know how hard it is every single day. You`ve got to go day by day and you -- what, 16 years now, I believe, right?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Sixteen, yes, right. Sixteen.

ELAINE: Awesome. Awesome. OK, I have a couple of questions.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you. Sure.

ELAINE: Yes, very, very proud of you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you.

ELAINE: Anyway, did they get any fingerprints around the baby`s window and -- number one? Number two, did they see any -- like where the garage would be, where the baby`s window was, any kind of mushed grass like someone was standing there, and did they find any fingerprints on the door, if he went out the front door whatever.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Elaine --

ELAINE: And one more -- one more question.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Three excellent questions. We just want to make sure we can handle all these questions. So let`s go out to Ed Lavandera, CNN correspondent.

Excellent questions about what are the forensics at the scene?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, they haven`t

commented specifically and they won`t. You know, we`ve tried about specifics, about fingerprints. You know we`ve got to assume that, you know, eight days out from this abduction if they had any kind of solid fingerprints that they had gotten that would lead them to somebody, we would have seen action on that by now. So I`m a little kind of suspect about that.

In terms of the area around that window, it`s interesting because the authorities around here, especially over the last four or five days, have paid a lot of attention to that path up to the window. They have been using metal detectors along there. What they`ve gleaned from that is hard to say. They`ve also paid a lot of attention to a drainage ditch area and a little creek that runs through the back of the house in a wooded area. But again the specifics as to what they take away from all of that after they come back and search it again they`re not sharing with us.

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IRWIN: I came home from work.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Something is really wrong.

IRWIN: The window was -- in the front was open.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said she`s not in a crib. And I said what do you mean she`s not in her crib?

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: 4:00 a.m., Jeremy Irwin calls 911 to report his 10-month-old baby daughter, Lisa, was missing from her crib.

IRWIN: The window was -- in the front was open.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Ten-month-old Lisa disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look at this picture. Look and keep thinking about this infant.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re still full steam ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We need everything that we can get. We need every lead we can get.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our two other boys are waiting for her, please.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s just gone on too long now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a lot of people hustling around trying to put this thing together and find this child.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: There has to be something there, maybe a footprint, something.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s like they just walked in and just disappeared.

KLAAS: The child is probably still somewhere in the local area.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just holding my boys and they were crying, asking what`s going on, where`s she at, why`s she gone.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That mother says she last saw her little baby, the beautiful child you`re looking at, at 10:30 at night. She says she goes to sleep with an older child. Then her husband, Jeremy Irwin, comes back at about 4:30 in the morning and sees that the house is in an unusual situation.

The lights are on, the little baby`s door is open, finds the child missing. And all hell breaks loose as they desperately begin to hunt for this child. What I don`t understand is the significance of this, Mark Harrold, former police officer.

The dad has a cell phone on him when he comes home, but three cell phones that were in the home are missing. Now why would somebody come in, and I don`t know if anything else has been stolen, take the baby and take three cell phones?

HARROLD: That`s baffling. I can`t think of a reason. I was thinking about that all afternoon. You know and it also goes to the fact that where are all those cell phones together. The idea here is at least from what the father thinks this individual must have known the house, known where the baby was, come right in, gotten the baby and left.

If those cell phones weren`t all in the immediate area, it basically calls that into doubt. It makes it look like the individual would have to go elsewhere in the home to retrieve the cell phones. But I honestly don`t have an answer, I can`t -- unless there was a thought that there was some evidence of this crime or this crime, or what they were planning to do, maybe some texts or e-mails about some sort of plan. But I`m baffled by that that the three cell phones disappeared, if that`s actually what happened.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Aha, some kind of text or e-mail or texting or -yes, and also if those phones were on, authorities could follow the pings wherever this purported alleged possible intruder might have gone. But the cell phones may very well have been off.

All right, Brenda -- we`re going to go back to the calls. Brenda, West Virginia, your question or thought, Brenda.

BRENDA, CALLER FROM WEST VIRGINIA: Hi, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi. How are you doing?

BRENDA: This story reminds me so much of the little girl, Haylee, that was missing in Florida.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Haylee. Oh, yes.

BRENDA: This is just too laid out. I mean nothing makes sense. And I have two sons, they`re grown now, but when my kids were little, I heard every move that they made. And they`re 23 and 28 now. And especially my youngest son, I hear him coming in or getting up or whatever. You never lose that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, very good point. And I want to -- I want to throw it out to Marc Klaas of the KlaasKids Foundation. It does have a ring of a the Hayley Cummings to ace of course, Misty Croslin was the young woman watching Hayley Cummings when she disappeared, it`s never been solved.

Misty and the child`s father, Ron Cummings, both behind bars on unrelated drug convictions. And the question about whatever happened to little Hayley Cummings remains a tragic mystery to this play.

Marc Klaas, your thoughts on any commonalities between these two cases?

KLAAS: Well, there`s commonalities in the fact it was a small home and apparently somebody came in and took the young child without the adult hearing it. Now we have to remember that these were all Oxycontin and crackheads down in Florida in the Hayley case. She could have been completely zoned out and probably didn`t really clear up until she was in prison for six months.

Nobody knows the secrets that are held in that. But I think it`s really,

really clear here, Jane, as you pointed out that this mother is in absolute anguish.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

KLAAS: It`s just that we don`t quite understand the cause of that anguish yet. But listen, if they subpoena those cell phones, they`ll be able to find out what texts are being sent, they`ll find out what calls were going coming in and going out. And they`ll be able to put all that together.

I really believe now that if the parents are responsible for this, and I`m not accusing anybody because I have absolutely no idea, I believe that baby Lisa is probably dead. However, if somebody else --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t like to think that way.

KLAAS: If somebody else is responsible for this, I think that there`s a very, very good chance that she is still alive and will be recovered alive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I pray, I pray that the latter is true. And again, we always think of, well, we`re looking for some mystery man. No, it could also be a female, you never know. The reason we say mystery man is that the mother was seen buying a box of wine purportedly on surveillance tape with a mystery man several hours before she last put the child to bed, and the child was last seen.

So I think that`s fascinating. And I want to go to this other subject that is related. This is happening in Clay County. The Clay County

Grand jury has issued subpoenas to at least four Kansas City TV stations.

Ed Lavandera, they`re seeking the raw footage of any interviews given by neighbors, family or friends looking for inconsistent statements? What do you know?

LAVANDERA: Well, these subpoenas arrived at TV stations -- late yesterday afternoon and they were -- you know, it`s not totally out of the ordinary. This happens in a lot of cases around the country, you know, consistently, but it is interesting that they wanted these -- all these interview tapes, the raw footage, the unedited versions and this is dating back from the very moment. From the moment these parents started speaking clearly trying to figure out if there`s any inconsistencies in what they said.

And you know, obviously that kind of continues to point to the fact that they`re taking a close and hard look at these parents and family members as to what has been said and what they have been saying over the last week.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: John Manuelian, defense attorney, what do you make of subpoenas being issued for all four local stations in the Kansas City area? They want to look at the raw tapes of everything that was said by family or friends?

MANUELIAN: I think it`s very smart. It shows the police are going to take the videos, as we said before, and they`re going to watch each video and see what the witnesses said and see what corroborates and what`s inconsistent. And then based on the inconsistencies, they`re going to focus on what made those inconsistencies, what those inconsistencies were, and then target that person possibly as a suspect.

However, corroborating evidence could be taking a person out of the equation. So it`s a very useful tool, just like a deposition in a civil case, to use the videos to see what, if any, evidence is out there, or what if any information is out there for that matter.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`m kind of wondering if the whole confusion about whether or not the family is cooperating centers around this mystery man, Randy Kessler, with whom the mother was seen buying a box of wine. And again, the child, the missing child`s aunt will not comment on this person, which leads me to believe that maybe somebody knows who this person is and that perhaps the father of the child didn`t know that the mother was getting wine with this man. Your thoughts quickly.

KESSLER: My thoughts quickly are she`s so honest and she`s so in anguish obliviously but you know, is she in anguish because he did something wrong? I mean why not tell. And about the tapes, I want to see the tapes of those people entering the window. They`re tainting the evidence. They`re leaving their clothes, their DNA on that window which was a crime scene.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Ten-month-old Lisa Irwin who vanished from her home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please, please, please, call the tip hot line.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re still working our tails off to try to figure out what happened.

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live to the heartland. A 10-month-old baby girl sleeping in her own crib just feet away from her mother, Daddy working the night shift that night, goes missing without a trace, front door unlocked, front window open, every cell phone missing. Will a hidden well reveal clues?

Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, grainy surveillance video emerges of Mommy shopping at a local store with a mystery man just hours before baby Lisa vanishes. What does Mommy buy? Baby food and a box of wine. Tonight, investigators swarming the home, looking for clues. As critical hours pass, tonight, where is 10-month-old baby Lisa?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search for this little baby girl continues.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Baby Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everybody loves her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I came home from work.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dad comes home at 4:00 AM.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The front door was unlocked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Only hours before Mommy is at this nearby grocery store.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I go to the store and everybody says she`s beautiful.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Most of the lights were on in the house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s at this grocery store with this strange man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The window in the front was open.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mommy`s buying a box of wine!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I started checking on the kids. Checked on the boys first.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I woke up and he came home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then we checked on her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said, She`s not in her crib. And I said, What do you mean she`s not in her crib?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that`s when we realized she was gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Baby Lisa is allegedly snatched from her crib.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s really playful and she`s really sweet. And she`ll go to almost anyone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Beautiful 10-month-old baby girl.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, grainy surveillance video emerges of Mommy shopping at local store with a mystery man. And this is just hours before baby Lisa vanishes. What does Mommy buy? Baby food and a box of wine. Tonight, investigators swarming the home looking for clues, critical hours passing. Tonight, where is 10month-old baby Lisa?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Authorities have paid a lot of attention to that path up to the window.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The claim is that somebody entered through

the window.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sometimes she cries, depending on how long of sleep she`s had.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Grabbed the child and then went out the front door.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But the minute you pick her up and you cuddle with her, she probably won`t cry.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How could that happen in a small house without the mother inside the house realizing it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was also two older little boys in the house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) window that was open (INAUDIBLE) nowhere near their bedroom. I don`t think they heard anything. They`re pretty heavy sleepers.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re just trying to hold it together for our boys and for her!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An extraordinary mystery, a frantic search.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Try to think of anything or anyone or any reason this might have happened. And we still haven`t.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who is the mystery man?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And why in the world did Mommy buy a box of wine?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. Baby Lisa missing under very unusual circumstances. Yes, children have been snatched from their cribs in the past, but it is extremely rare for an intruder to come into a family home, steal -- especially when they`re there -- steal nothing, no forced entry, and take only the baby.

Straight out to Ed Lavandera, CNN correspondent joining us in Kansas City. Ed, what can you tell me?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, it`s interesting. Several developments going on today, Nancy. There are -- searches continue in the area here near the home of where baby Lisa was abducted from. We understand that there are detectives that are going through a wooded area not too far away. There are also other crews that are going through a nearby pond, a large pond that is not too far away from this home, as well.

So those searches continue. Authorities tell us they`re not acting on any particular tips, they`re just kind of going through...

GRACE: Wait!

LAVANDERA: ... every possible scenario...

GRACE: Whoa! Whoa!

LAVANDERA: ... and trying to cross them off the list.

GRACE: Hold on! Hold on, Ed!

LAVANDERA: So that`s why they`re doing that.

GRACE: Ed! Ed! Ed! Ed! Let`s back it up. This is a 10-month-old baby. The baby can`t walk. The baby can`t run. So why are they looking in a pond or a wooded area? How would a 10-month-old baby -- Ed, do you have children?

LAVANDERA: I do, actually, thank you very much.

GRACE: You remember then when they were 10 months old. They can`t get up and walk out of their crib. I mean, how would the baby have gotten to a wooded area behind the home or how would a baby have gotten into a pond? Have they burned that bridge yet? Do we know the answer to that?

LAVANDERA: Well, I think -- Nancy, as you well know, we`re now more than a week. This is the ninth day that baby Lisa has been missing. So I think authorities, probably safe to presume that they`re working under the possibility, the very real possibility, that baby Lisa props is no longer alive, and obviously, if they believe that she was

taken away from this home, that something awfully (SIC) and terrible has happened to her, and that`s why they`re checking out these areas. They did this yesterday, and they`ve been doing it over the last four or five days.

And obviously, the farther away we get from last Monday, the more likelihood of a bad outcome we`re going to see here.

GRACE: You know what, Ed? I know you`re right. And I know that you have covered many of these cases before. I have, too. I`ve prosecuted them before. But I`m not ready to accept that baby Lisa is dead yet.

LAVANDERA: Oh, no.

GRACE: And I get what you`re saying, Ed. I get it.

Let`s go out to the lines. Beverly in Georgia. Hi, Beverly. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I had a question about the baby`s crib. Whenever the detectives went in and did the reenactment of the break-in, it showed a picture of the crib, and the crib was full of plastic containers and a baby bathtub and other things. I was curious if the detectives had questioned about that or had said anything about that because she said the baby had been sleeping in the crib.

GRACE: Hey, that`s a good question. Liz, let`s back it up because I believe I saw that picture, too. I want to see -- there you go. Hold it. Don`t move, Liz. OK.

Ed Lavandera, we`re looking at the picture of the baby`s crib, and Beverly in Georgia is right. Why would they have put all that stuff in the crib? Now, I know why they`ve probably got the dark tape covering the windows. I`ve done that before, so when the dawn cracks first thing in the morning, it wouldn`t wake up the twins. But why is baby Lisa`s crib full of stuff, including, it looks like, a baby tub? Why is all that stuff in her crib? Certainly, cops didn`t do that, Ed Lavandera.

LAVANDERA: Nancy, I can`t see the picture you`re talking about, but I have a feeling I think I know which one it is. And it was about four days after the abduction or the disappearance of baby Lisa. One of the family members allowed ABC`s "Nightline" to go in and shoot video of the house. So that video was taken -- if it`s a picture of what I think it is, that picture was probably taken four or five days.

I`m remiss to suggest or kind of know that...

GRACE: OK.

LAVANDERA: ... that`s exactly the conditions it was in on that Monday night into Tuesday morning, you know what I mean? That might have been changed (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: OK, you`re taking a look...

LAVANDERA: ... but I don`t know if that`s actually...

GRACE: ... at baby Lisa`s crib, and inside her bedroom. This is, believe it or not, now a crime scene. This 10-month-old baby`s bedroom is a crime scene, baby Lisa apparently taken from her own crib.

Joining me right now, special guest Marc Klaas joining me out of San Francisco, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. You know, Marc, when I`m looking at this baby`s room, it`s just killing me because I see so many of the same little things that are in my twins` room. And to imagine their room turned into a crime scene? Give me your opinion, Marc Klaas.

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, Nancy, I first want to point out that it`s very likely that the mom slept through any incident that occurred in the house. I`d like to remind people that in the case of my daughter, Polly, it was a very similar scenario. Somebody broke into the house late at night, and Polly`s mom was separated by just the bathroom, and she slept through the entire incident. So you know, in defense of this young woman, I don`t think we can draw any conclusions from that simple fact.

I believe that there`s a good chance that baby Lisa is alive, particularly if the parents were not involved, because the most common scenario would be a mother or somebody who wanted a child to raise for their own. The least likely scenario would be some kind of a sexual predator.

And then you have everything in between, and that`s where the police are going. They`re trying to eliminate local geography. They`re trying to eliminate local registered sex offenders, neighbors, friends, people in the family. Unfortunately, they still seem to be very focused upon the immediate family.

GRACE: Right. Joining me right now is a special guest. It`s Rebecca Guerrero. She is the store clerk that last saw the Mommy. Rebecca, thank you for being with us.

REBECCA GUERRERO, STORE CLERK (via telephone): Thank you for having me.

GRACE: Rebecca, this video surveillance of Mommy shopping in the hours just before baby Lisa goes missing has suddenly taken center stage. It may mean something, it may mean nothing. What do you recall happening when she came in?

GUERRERO: When she came in, I did not see her until I checked her out. She had a box of wine with her and baby food and baby wipes. You know, and I didn`t think anything of it because a lot of people buy boxes of wine, and I just didn`t think anything of it, so...

GRACE: OK. Let me ask you this. The box of wine, how much wine was in it?

GUERRERO: I`m not really sure. I mean, it`s a pretty good-sized box of wine.

GRACE: OK, I`m not getting a good picture of that. What do you mean a good-sized box? I mean, how many ounces? What would that be?

GUERRERO: I don`t know. I think it`s like a quart.

GRACE: And who is this guy? Who is this guy she`s with? How were they behaving toward each other?

GUERRERO: They were -- you know, they`re always friendly, so I don`t -- I mean, I didn`t suspect anything.

GRACE: Right. Right. So she gets baby food, baby wipes and a big box of wine.

Everybody, we are taking your calls. I want to go to Matt Zarrell, our producer on the story. Matt, what more can you tell me about the timeline? Is it correct that the father is working the night shift? Would he have been at work when Mommy is with this guy buying wine? What time was this?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, the grocery store video we believe was taken at about 5:00 PM. Now, what happened was, is that the father, Jeremy Irwin, got home from the night shift. Now, this is the first time he had ever worked the overnight shift. He`s reportedly an electrician. He returns home at 4:00 AM, soon notices the baby`s gone, and immediately calls cops.

GRACE: OK. Give me the timeline again, Matt Zarrell. So she`s at the grocery store buying wine at about 5:00 PM with the mystery man. She says she puts the baby to bed around 10:00 -- she last sees the baby at 10:30 PM, right?

ZARRELL: Yes. Correct.

GRACE: OK, 4:00 AM, the father gets home from the night shift. And what leads him to go check on the baby? Why do they go in there and look at the baby?

ZARRELL: OK, what happens is, the first thing he notices is the front door is unlocked. He goes inside the house. He notices that the front bedroom window is open. He tries to close it, but he can`t because the

bottom part of the screen for the window is slightly pushed in.

He goes back to talk to the mom about it. That`s when he notices that the baby`s room is open. The baby`s room is never open when the baby sleeps. He goes in to check on the baby. Baby is gone.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jeremy Irwin calls 911 to report his 10-monthold baby daughter, Lisa, was missing from her crib. When Kansas City, Missouri, police arrive, they learn the baby`s mother, Deborah Bradley, was the last person to see Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you don`t have any other suspects, the one person that was there that night, the last person to see her -- who else do you point your finger at, you know?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Little Lisa Irwin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have been asked to come out here to find Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Call the tips hotline if you know where she`s at!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think our detectives are doing what people would expect they are doing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The latest search, a lot of people here searching for Lisa Irwin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That search didn`t turn up anything, any kind of evidence or any kind of clue.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Investigators reportedly got surveillance video. It shows the mother of the missing girl shopping with a mystery man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s zero, zero doubt in Deborah.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A neighbor told Fox 4 News she saw a man walking in the neighborhood with a baby.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a bad guy out there or bad people with this child.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re working hard in all directions, no doubt about it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody`s sleeping.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These folks have been up around the clock.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody`s eating.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re still full steam ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can`t be without her!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our main priority, our number one goal is to find this child.

GUERRERO: Come through my line. They had a box of wine, some baby wipes, and baby food. Now, she did two separate purchases. She did the baby stuff first and then the box of wine. And that was it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you find that to be odd or...

GUERRERO: Not really. I mean, most people buy wine all the time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That is grocery store clerk Rebecca Guerrero, and she`s joining us tonight live. Rebecca, any idea who the man is that was with Mommy buying wine? Who is that?

GUERRERO: I believe he`s a close friend of theirs.

GRACE: Of who?

GUERRERO: Of the parents.

GRACE: Have you seen them together before?

GUERRERO: Yes, I have.

GRACE: Together with the mommy, or with the mommy and the daddy?

GUERRERO: Both.

GRACE: OK. Everybody, we are taking your calls. We are live in Missouri, in the heartland. A 10-month-old baby girl goes missing from her own home.

Back to CNN correspondent Ed Lavandera. Ed, what more can you tell us?

LAVANDERA: Well, you know, it was interesting to watch. You`ve been talking to Rebecca there, and we just left the grocery store that`s less than a mile away from where we are here. And I thought it was interesting. And we looked at the -- all of the surveillance tape that they had. They were in that store for about six minutes, and this is about five-and-a-half hours before, according to what police have told

us, that Deborah had put baby Lisa down to sleep, about 10:30.

The demeanor is very calm. They were in the store for about six minutes. Rebecca talked about how it was very casual, everything seemed normal. In fact, the very last clip that you see, when you watch Deborah and that man walking out of the grocery store, she seemed to have a smile on her face. So any kind of sign of any kind of trouble, you don`t really see it in that video.

GRACE: Well, I`ve got a question, Ed Lavandera. When she was at the grocery store buying wine with this guy, where was the baby?

LAVANDERA: You know what? I asked Rebecca that question because Rebecca talks about -- talked about -- she`s worked at that store for about two years and said that it was very common -- a lot of times, she`d see Deborah come in with the children. A lot of times, she`d come in to the store without the children. And they always kind of made a point of talking about them and that sort of thing.

And I asked Rebecca that, Did you ask where the children were that day? You know, Why no kids? And she didn`t. So we don`t really have an answer to that, at that point. But it was one of the first questions I thought about when I saw the video.

GRACE: Hey, Ed, who else was in the home at the time the baby went missing? I know the mom was there. I know the father was at work.

LAVANDERA: Right. Mom has another son from another relationship, an older son, and the father, Jeremy, also has a son from another relationship. So my understanding is both of those boys are under the age of -- I think 6 and 8, both under the age of 10. They were at

home, as well.

One officer had told me that they had been watching a movie in the same room together, perhaps had fallen asleep in that room together. But those two boys were definitely home.

GRACE: And Ed, what can you tell me about the neighborhood? It`s a residential community, but what more can you tell me?

LAVANDERA: You know, it`s interesting. We`ve spent a lot of time, clearly, over here, over the more than a week that we`ve been in this neighborhood. You know, it`s a working class neighborhood. It was interesting. Somebody made a comment that they were -- someone was looking for a handyman, and one neighbor had told us (INAUDIBLE) you know, there`s a handyman on every corner here.

So it`s definitely, you know, a working class neighborhood. They all seem to know each other, very friendly.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is very strange.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The baby just vanished.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Only hours before baby Lisa was reportedly abducted, Mommy is at this nearby grocery store with this strange man, who is not, by the way, not baby Lisa`s father.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search for the missing baby girl, 10-monthold Lisa Irwin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They didn`t find anything in that well.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They did not find any concrete evidence of anything.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If the mom told the police that she had gone to that supermarket and made those purchases, there`s nothing strange about that at all.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: I don`t get it. This baby is sleeping just feet away from the mother. She hears nothing, and apparently, in the middle of the night -- she checks on the baby at 10:30 PM. When the dad gets home from the night shift at 4:00 AM, they go in to look, the baby is gone.

I want to go to Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline.com. Alexis, is it the father that noticed the front door -- was it open or was it unlocked, Alexis?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: It was just unlocked, Nancy.

He had come home from work. It was the middle of the night. But what he said was so strange is almost every light in the house was on. So that really gave him some worry. He started walking around the house. He checked on his boys. They were fine. And then he checked on his little baby girl, and she was missing.

He said he woke up his wife. They panicked, but there were no cell phones in the home. For some reason, there were three cell phones that were plugged in on the kitchen counter normally, and none of them were there. I`m not sure why the husband didn`t have his cell phone with him.

GRACE: OK, Alexis, have they been recovered? Have they been recovered, Alexis, the cell phones?

TERESZCUK: No.

GRACE: Have they been found?

TERESZCUK: No, they have not been found.

GRACE: OK. That`s extremely odd. I want to go back to Marc Klaas from Klaas Kids Foundation. Marc, you were mentioning that when your daughter, Polly, was abducted, her mom did not hear anything.

You know, every night, the twins come in and they get in bed with me. And I`ve got to tell you something. I`m no better because Lucy will be right there at the bed, getting into the bed, before I know that she`s there. In other words, I didn`t hear her door, I didn`t hear her coming in my room. I hear nothing. And then there they are, both of them.

So I`m not saying that this couldn`t have all happened without the mom hearing anything. But what do you make of all the lights being turned on, somebody taking cell phones, the front window being open? Why would the window be open and the door unlocked? Think it through, Marc.

KLAAS: Well, I have a lot of problems with that, too. If the door was unlocked, why even bother with the window? Why not just open the door and go in?

Now, the father said that there were -- that whoever did this knew their way in and around the house. They knew where the baby was and how to get to the baby, which again brings it back very locally. And I think that that`s why the law enforcement is so focused on this neighborhood and seemingly this neighborhood alone.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Jeremy Irwin calls 911 to report his 10-month-old baby daughter Lisa was missing from her crib.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MISSING 10-MONTH-OLD INFANT`S MOTHER: Our two other boys are waiting for her, please.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Find the guilty party.

LAVANDERA: Another disheartening day.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And return Lisa home safely.

BRADLEY: Just drop her off anywhere.

LAVANDERA: As the search for this baby girl continues.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I knew then that they must be searching for the baby.

BRADLEY: We don`t care. Just somewhere safe.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Who is this mystery man that she is allegedly, purportedly getting wine with?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The mom and dad right now are victims, and they shouldn`t be treated as suspects.

BRADLEY: She can come home, please.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: This infant`s mother is preparing for the possibility that she will be arrested.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You hear about it, but you don`t think it`s going

to happen right here beside you.

BRADLEY: Please.

LAVANDERA (on camera): Can you describe her demeanor? What was she like? Was she acting strange in any kind of way?

REBECCA GUERRERO, CLERK WHO CHECKED MISSING INFANT`S MOM OUT: She had a smile on her face. I mean like she always does when she comes in here. She, you know, loves her kids to death.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: That last person speaking was store clerk Rebecca Guerrero with us live tonight. We`re all taking your calls. Take a look at 10-month-old baby Lisa allegedly snatched out of her own crib just feet away from her mother as they lay sleeping.

Also in the home, two minor boys under the age of 12. Daddy working the night shift. Mommy caught on surveillance video just hours before baby Lisa goes missing buying baby food, baby wipes, and a box of wine.

My question is where was the baby at that time?

Everybody, we are taking your calls, but unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight Hugo Rodriguez, defense attorney, former fed with the FBI out of Miami. Pilar Prinz, defense attorney, Atlanta.

First to you, Hugo. Mommy says she`s taken a polygraph and she`s afraid she failed. Weigh in.

HUGO RODRIGUEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, FMR. FBI AGENT: You know, if she did it, she did it voluntarily. She must know the results or her counsel must know the results of the test. But in her emotional state, she is grieving, what she`s going through, that wouldn`t be unusual at all.

GRACE: Put him up. Hugo, Hugo, Hugo.

RODRIGUEZ: Yes.

GRACE: No. Every polygrapher will tell you that emotions do not play into whether you pass or fail a polygraph, but in her defense, when somebody flunks a polygraph it could be, have you ever used drugs? In college they smoked a joint and they go no. I mean it could be something like that that makes her fail the polygraph.

RODRIGUEZ: Well, first, Nancy --

GRACE: Go ahead.

RODRIGUEZ: Having litigated the polygraph issue, I don`t buy some of them saying that emotions don`t affect you. It is psychosomatic.

GRACE: Whatever.

RODRIGUEZ: And all of those senses -- she`s under a very -- she`s in a very difficult situation. You as a mother would know. So I wouldn`t give it credibility one way or another, either way.

GRACE: Yes, well, you know what, Pilar Prinz, all defense attorneys say that when their clients fail the polygraph but when they pass the polygraph, they run into the courthouse like, you know, they`ve got a scalp fresh off somebody`s head in their hand to wave it in front of the prosecutor.

So, you know, you can`t have your cake and eat it, too. It doesn`t work that way, but this is what I know. I know that polygraphs typically are not affected by emotions because everybody is uptight and emotional when they take a polygraph because you`re taking a polygraph because there`s a big problem brewing, but what I want to talk to you about is first we hear the parents are cooperating. Then we hear they`re not cooperating.

Why would parents not cooperate in the investigation for the search of their child?

PILAR PRINZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, the parents were cooperating. What we heard from the parents is they took a break. We don`t know how long this was going on. Maybe these poor parents were questioned for 10 hours. They`re emotional. Their daughter is missing. Maybe they said we haven`t eaten in 10 hours, we need to get some sleep and we`ll come back tomorrow and this whole thing got blown out of proportion. So I don`t think them taking a break means that they weren`t cooperating. They clearly came back and they are cooperating.

GRACE: OK. That`s very interesting, Pilar, because if my children were missing, if one of them were gone, there would be no break. There

would be no break until I either found my child or I found the person that took my child. There would not be a break.

But let`s get down with the facts on that.

Zarrell, what do we know? Parents cooperating, not cooperating?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: Well, what happened was is up until last Thursday the parents were cooperating. Now the dad says he claims that he needed a break and then an hour later police came out and said that the parents are not cooperating anymore.

Parents immediately go on all the morning shows the following day, said we are cooperating, we just needed a break. By Saturday they`re all talking again. And we just spoke to police a few moments ago. They are still cooperating with police as of now.

GRACE: I wonder what that means, Tom Shamshak . They are now cooperating with. Shamshak, former police chief, private investigator, instructor at Boston University.

What does that mean? Have you ever seen parents of missing children take a break from the investigation?

TOM SHAMSHAK, FMR. POLICE CHIEF, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR, INSTRUCTOR AT BOSTON UNIV.: Good evening, Nancy.

Not necessarily. Look, they could have, you know, been -- as one of

the earlier commentator suggested -- under tremendous amount of stress. Having said that, you know, from my experience law enforcement is going to come down very heavy with these two people, the mother and the father. And that`s very stressful in and of itself.

But what they have to get back to here, Nancy, is you talked about the crime scene in the bedroom. They have to make sure that this was not staged, so they`re going to thoroughly see if this trace evidence, dirt from the outside, inside, fingerprints to see if there was some kind of fibers associated with the removal of the window there.

And, you know, they`re grappling with that. And they`re going to be very, very aggressive with this woman. So I can understand maybe they took a -- wanted to go have a chat with an attorney.

GRACE: OK. You know, I hear you, I hear all of you, the defense attorneys and Shamshak talking about people needing a break. Whatever. But I don`t buy they needed a break in the investigation to find their daughter. Maybe something else was brewing, something else that`s absolutely innocent, but when your child is missing, I don`t think you take a break from searching for her.

Out to the lines, Allison in New Jersey. Hi, Allison, what`s your question?

ALLISON, CALLER FROM NEW JERSEY: Hello, Nancy. Great job on "Dancing with the Stars," by the way.

GRACE: Oh, thank you. Did you see my split at the end? I got my foot stuck in my dress.

ALLISON: Great job, though.

GRACE: Forget about that. New week. What`s your question on this case, love?

ALLISON: Well, I have a couple of questions. And more than enough questions, but one question is, if she has two young boys, 6 and 8 years old, where were they and they`re old enough to talk and to say, hey, mommy was with this guy, mommy was drinking.

A box of wine holds about at least two to three bottles of small wine. So, you know -- and did the police check to see how much wine was out of that box if this lady was really drunk?

GRACE: You know what -- hold, wait -- hold Allison in New Jersey, hold her for a moment. Because that`s one of my first questions that I had, and you`ve jolted my memory.

Liz, let me know when we get Lavandera back.

Matt Zarrell, I`m not kidding, did they recover the wine? Because I want to find out how much had been consumed.

ZARRELL: Nancy, that`s a good question, but cops are not commenting on the evidence of this, but they are saying that it could be this surveillance video could possibly be a red herring that it could lead them in a direction where they really don`t want to go.

GRACE: Well, you know what? I still want to know how much wine was

left and what happened to the wine.

As to the children, Allison in New Jersey, 6 and 8, it`s my understanding they were both asleep in the home.

Alexis Tereszcuk, did the 6-year-old and the 8-year-old sleep together or did they have separate rooms?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: They have separate rooms, but on this night they were together, and they had fallen asleep watching a movie, but it was a school night. So it`s a little bit late for them to be doing that.

GRACE: Alexis, I`ve got another question before we have to go to break. Where is the bio dad? Where is he in this configuration?

TERESZCUK: Well, the baby`s biological father is Deborah`s boyfriend, Jeremy. But the son --

GRACE: Is that father. OK. So we know -- we know where he is.

TERESZCUK: Yes. The son -- her other son, his biological father is actually in the Army, and he`s deployed overseas. And Deborah actually isn`t even divorced from him yet even though she`s engaged to Jeremy Irwin.

GRACE: And very quickly, Alexis, do we know the bio dad was checked in at work at the time? Are we sure where he was?

TERESZCUK: I believe that he was, yes.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The whole world is thinking about her. Maybe she did it, maybe she didn`t do it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know where the obvious focus is.

BRADLEY: Come home, please.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who else do you point your finger at, you know?

JEREMY IRWIN, MISSING 10-MONTH-OLD INFANT`S FATHER: Somebody has got had her somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They live here. It`s their child.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is a bad guy out there.

LAVANDERA: And that window has been the center and the focus of this investigation.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: One of the officers climbed through the window in

question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that how somebody got in there?

IRWIN: Window was -- in the front was open.

BRADLEY: I just knew, you know.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Now there was some good police work that you just saw.

Liz, if you could play that back, please.

You see the cops actually trying to see if they can get into the window the way a possible perpetrator did. Now that is some good police work. A lot of cops wouldn`t do that, a lot of prosecutors wouldn`t bother or defense attorneys wouldn`t try to do that.

But check this out. To get into that window -- roll it for me, Liz. See, look how -- what you have to do to get into that window. A grown man couldn`t get up there on his own. Apparently that`s as high as that window is going to go. Must be stuck by paint or something. But, see, he needed help getting up to that window.

Did you catch that? That guy had to help the other one get in. So what does this mean? Does it mean a full-grown man couldn`t get in on his own through that window? Think about it. You`ve got the window up,

you`ve got the front door unlocked. Two plus two equals this baby is missing.

Check it out. How could he get in all on his own? And was that -- looks like a bird bath of some sort there? Was it climbed up on?

Joining me right now back on the scene we`ve got Ed Lavandera back, CNN correspondent.

Ed, we`ve got a ton of questions for you. Our callers are calling in with questions.

Ed, we`re watching video where the cops have to help each other get through that window. I assume that`s the window that was found left open. What do you know, Ed?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know what`s also interesting about that is that was on Sunday afternoon, the officers had come out here late in the afternoon and had done all that. Basically in full view of all of the neighbors and reporters that were hanging out here in the neighborhood.

And what kind of struck me as you mentioned is the struggle -doesn`t seem impossible if someone really wanted to get in that window that they probably could have done it, but as you mentioned, very difficult. But also the window kind of slammed down, made a lot of noise a couple of times, and the other thing, too, is that behind that window is not the baby`s room.

You`d have to walk through that room that you get into and into

another part of the house to get to the baby`s room and then presumably perhaps walk out the front door. You know, it`s kind of speculation there at that point but as you kind of try to figure out what might have happened.

GRACE: Hey, hold on, Ed.

LAVANDERA: None of that was easy.

GRACE: Liz, give me a picture of -- give me a shot of Ed Lavandera in full, please, because I want to look at that house behind him.

Ed, what is that little object below the window? Is that like a little bird bath or something, that black thing? What is that they were climbing up on?

LAVANDERA: I believe it is -- or perhaps like a little wind gauge kind of looking thing. I`m looking at it from a distance here but it`s one of those two things I think.

GRACE: Is it -- does it look like it`s strong enough to hold a fullgrown man on it?

LAVANDERA: Not me.

(LAUGHTER)

LAVANDERA: No.

GRACE: Yes.

LAVANDERA: That doesn`t look like it at all to be honest.

GRACE: OK. OK. I`m just wondering if it was there that night. And, Ed, very important, I heard you say something about the screen to that window being bent. Was it bent in or out?

LAVANDERA: You know what? I`m not totally sure which way -- which way it was bent to be honest. They had mentioned -- the description I had heard is that it didn`t seem right or it wasn`t closed the way it normally was. That`s the best I know.

GRACE: Well, you know, I was thinking about this scenario, if a perp did go in, they could have gone through that window and then come out through the door, hence it being unlocked. So there is an innocent explanation as to that.

Joining me right now Dr. Cathleen London in addition to Ed Lavandera taking your calls. Attending physician at New York Presbyterian Hospital and professor at Will Cornell College.

Let me ask you, if baby Lisa had died in the home, do you believe, Doctor, there would have been forensic evidence of that?

DR. CATHLEEN LONDON, M.D., ASST. ATTENDING PHYSICIAN, NY PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL, ASST. PROF. AT WELL CORNELL COLLEGE: Potentially, it depends on the method. You know if it was, you know, suffocation, potentially not. You know something of that nature, but if

there were body fluids at all, blood, things like that, then there would be. It`s a tough one. This is a small child.

GRACE: You know -- and Dr. London, if someone has baby Lisa, and we`ve seen this before where children are taken out of their home, women that want babies that can`t have them, and they`re passing the baby off as their own, will that raise any red flag if a child is taken in for a doctor`s visit?

LONDON: Only if someone has seen pictures of this child and recognizes the child. I mean, think of all the scenarios, mom just claims she`s just moved to the area, doesn`t have any of the former records, they got lost in the move. You know, as a physician you`re not going to be suspicious about that, especially a child that little isn`t talking yet, is going to bond to mom.

GRACE: Yes, yes. You`re right, Dr. London.

To Dr. Patricia Saunders, clinical psychologist joining us out of New York. Weigh in, Patricia.

PATRICIA SAUNDERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, there are a lot of holes here, Nancy. One of them that`s bugging me is the missing three cell phones. Now infant abductions and homicides are often done by either family or people that the family know, and it looked like the person knew the inside of the house.

Maybe those phones were taken because the perp didn`t want certain information revealed. Big puzzle now.

GRACE: Good thinking, Dr. Pat. Interesting. What would have been revealed on those cell phones.

Out to the lines, Linda in Kansas. Hi, Linda. What`s your question, dear?

LINDA, CALLER FROM KANSAS: Hi, Nancy, I love your -- I love your show and I think your babies are beautiful.

GRACE: Thank you.

LINDA: My question is --

GRACE: Thank you.

LINDA: Is it normal for, you know, a stranger to come in your house, walk out through your front door, take cell phones, and the rumor is the lights were on. Is it normal? I mean, does this happen normally?

GRACE: You know what, Linda in Kansas, I`m going to go to an expert on it, but I got to tell you just from my anecdotal knowledge, it absolutely is not normal. It is not at all statistically. It`s highly improbable.

Ed Lavandera, you have covered so many cases. This is very, very improbable that a stranger, and I`m not saying it couldn`t happen, but that a stranger goes into a home, goes in through the window, turns on every light, takes the baby and the cell phones, and leaves through the front door and nobody knows a darn thing, and it all happens in 5

1/2 hours.

LAVANDERA: There`s no question. I think that`s why you`ve seen investigators here focus so much not only on the family, because as we have learned from talking to Rebecca Guerrero, the woman who checked out Lisa and her friend from that grocery store on Monday afternoon before the disappearance of baby Lisa, a lot of the questions that she got from FBI agents were asking about Deborah, Deborah`s demeanor, her state of mind, that sort of thing.

And over the last week we`ve seen investigators combing everywhere. I have been told by police investigators that they`ve checked out some 300 homes here in the immediate area, and they have also been going through all of a creek area behind the house. So clearly there`s a great deal of focus and intensity on not just the family and the immediate family members, but also friends and neighbors around here.

So you know they`re having to go down this whole list and check everybody off.

GRACE: Hey, Ed, let me ask you another question -- Ed Lavandera joining us there outside the home. Who saw the baby alive last other than the mother?

LAVANDERA: Good question. Let me try to think back on --

GRACE: The brothers?

LAVANDERA: I don`t know -- yes, obviously, the brothers would have

been in the house. Those were the only three other people in the house at that time. And in terms of timeline dating back between the grocery store visit at just before 5:00 and 10:30, I`m not -- I haven`t heard of anyone else being in that house.

GRACE: We are live in Kansas City, Missouri. With us, Ed Lavandera, and the latest on the missing 10-month-old baby girl, Lisa, as critical hours pass. Where is baby Lisa?

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, the heartland. A 10- month-old baby girl sleeping in a crib just feet away from her own mother, Daddy working the night shift, goes missing without a trace, front door unlocked, front window open, every cell phone gone. Grainy surveillance video emerges of Mommy shopping with a mystery man at a local store just hours before the baby vanishes. What does Mommy buy? Baby food and a big, honkin` box of wine.

Bombshell tonight. We ID the mystery man, as police on the lookout for a neighborhood handyman spotted near baby Lisa`s home the night she disappeared. At this hour, police amassing video of family, friends, neighbors to spot inconsistencies in their statements.

And get this, the local TV stations are fighting the cops on the video. They won`t hand it over. What`s wrong with them? Don`t they want to find baby Lisa?

And tonight, we obtain the 911 call just moments after baby Lisa reported missing. The family moves out of the family home, vowing never to return. As the baby`s parents meet with a high-powered defense lawyer and an abandoned home takes center stage, tonight, where is 10-month-old baby Lisa?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is the baby? Seriously, where`s the baby?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police brought out ATVs and search dogs.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Be advised he didn`t witness anything and they don`t know how long she`s been gone. He noticed the screen is busted and his 10-month-old daughter is missing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They looked through dumpsters, too.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That is what makes me so sad.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Someone was looking for a handyman. And one neighbor told us there`s, like, this -- you know, there`s a handyman on every corner here.

GRACE: Mommy says she`s taken a polygraph and she`s afraid she failed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Call the tips hotline if you know where she`s at!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shopping with a mystery man.

GRACE: I know that polygraphs typically are not affected by emotions because everybody is uptight and emotional when they take a polygraph.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Firefighters went down into the well about 30 feet deep.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Their investigation focusing on baby Lisa`s bedroom when she put her daughter to bed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The day Lisa was reported missing was a Tuesday. And Tuesday is trash day around here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We want them to bring Lisa back home now.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. A 10-month-old baby girl sleeping in a crib just feet away from her own mother goes missing without a trace. Tonight, we ID the mystery man caught on surveillance. Police on the lookout for a neighborhood handyman spotted near baby Lisa`s home the night she disappears.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Baby Lisa has been missing from her home here in Kansas City 10 days now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please! Bring her home!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s out there. She`s somebody`s daughter somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, we`re getting an interesting look in the hours before Deborah Bradley, Lisa`s mother, told police that she had put the baby down to sleep, which was 10:30 last Monday night.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No suspects, no leads.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The only thing we know is that this 10-monthold belongs in this house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The baby`s mother, Deborah Bradley, was the last person to see Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I woke up when he came home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then I checked on her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Surveillance camera footage from a nearby

grocery store that shows Deborah Bradley walking in with a friend. She spent about six minutes inside the store.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If something happened in the home and you were responsible, then you do know more.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said, She`s not in her crib. I said, What do you mean she`s not in her crib?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dad comes home at 4:00 AM.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The front door was unlocked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mom told the police that she had gone to that supermarket and made those purchases. There`s nothing strange about that at all.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. Tonight, baby Lisa missing. A 10-month-old baby girl just feet away from her own mother goes missing in the middle of the night. When Daddy gets home from the night shift, he finds the front door unlocked, a screen pushed in, a window open, all the lights on in the home and all the cell phones missing.

You`re seeing home video of baby Lisa Irwin from YouTube. Take a look, this baby gone from her own home. Tonight, we obtain 911 calls just after baby Lisa reported missing. And a local handyman under the spotlight.

Straight out to Ed Lavandera. He`s joining us from Kansas City, Missouri. He`s there at the Irwin home. Ed, thank you for being with us. Everybody, we`re taking your calls live in our search for baby Lisa.

Ed, what can you tell me? What are the developments?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, just moments ago, we started seeing these YouTube videos that you mentioned. I`m sure you`ll be showing a lot of them tonight. I mean, it really gets to the heart of what this story is about, and it`s that beautiful girl. And we spent some time this afternoon looking at those tapes. It`s video that family members told us they want people to be able to see to kind of keep the image of baby Lisa out there in the public.

As far as the investigative front, we know that authorities are continuing their search and we see them continue to focus on the area around here. We know that they`ve continued going throughout various parts of this neighborhood. They`ve been searching another wooded area, as well, today. That search continues.

But authorities stress these searches aren`t based on any specific concrete leads that they have. It`s just something that they want to do to continue fanning out from this area, from this -- if you want to call this ground zero, and moving away from here, continuing to search any possibilities about where baby Lisa might be.

GRACE: Ed Lavandera, we`re seeing video of a big clearing. It looks like it may be a dump. Now, baby Lisa goes missing in the early, early morning hours, we think, on a Monday. It`s a landfill. That`s what we`re showing right now, Ed Lavandera. Is it correct that the trash gets picked up on Tuesday?

LAVANDERA: Yes, I heard that mentioned at the top. I wasn`t really clear about that, although having heard that, I don`t know if that would have made, you know, much of a difference because the father came home at 4:00 o`clock in the morning. By then, that baby would have been reported missing. I don`t know of any trash men that work in the middle of the night, picking up -- I don`t know if that`s the way it`s done here. I`m betting it`s not, so...

GRACE: Well, hold on.

LAVANDERA: ... I don`t think the trash would have been...

GRACE: Hold on! Hold on!

LAVANDERA: ... picked up...

GRACE: Wait, wait, wait! What day of the week did baby Lisa go missing? What day, not date, what day? Was it a Monday at 10:00 o`clock at night, or was it a Tuesday morning?

LAVANDERA: It was a Monday night about 10:30 is when police say that Deborah Bradley told them that she had put baby Lisa down to sleep, 10:30 on Monday night. Move into the overnight hours, 4:00 o`clock Tuesday morning is when the father came home and discovered that the crib was empty and then called police. So somewhere between 10:30 PM last Monday night and 4:00 AM in the morning on Tuesday.

GRACE: OK. So what about this scenario, Ed Lavandera, that the child

is put in the trash sometime on Monday? I mean we don`t know -nobody so far, unless there`s a new development, has seen the baby, other than the mother, since 10:30 PM on Monday night. So for all I know, that baby could have been in the trash at 7:00 PM on Monday. The trash gets taken out on Tuesday morning, and that baby`s headed to a landfill.

LAVANDERA: I understand what you`re saying, but I think what happened here -- at 4:00 o`clock in the morning, within minutes, this neighborhood was filled with police officers and officers canvassing the neighborhood. You have to imagine that one of the first things they checked would be a trash can in the back of the home.

So I`m assuming they would have done that, and that obviously -- I mean, I can`t imagine that that would have been something that would have slipped through what they were checking, considering how many officers swarmed on this neighborhood the moment that call came in.

GRACE: You know what, Ed Lavandera? You`re right. And I`m going to find out if, in fact, they did check the trash cans. Ed, so much is happening. We have now identified the mystery man that was shopping and caught on surveillance video with Mommy buying baby food and a big box of wine. Who is he?

LAVANDERA: Well, we`ve done some reporting on that. When we were talking to you yesterday, we hadn`t gotten a clear picture. What we had been told by the store clerk is that it was definitely someone she had seen with the family before many times, so we kind of put aside any idea that there was something suspicious going on.

But we found out today, confirmed by family members, that that man that you see is actually Deborah Bradley`s brother. So obviously, a

family member would not be out of the ordinary for Deborah to be getting...

GRACE: Right. So...

LAVANDERA: ... a ride to the grocery store...

GRACE: ... it`s the brother.

LAVANDERA: ... from her brother.

GRACE: Everybody, joining me in front of the Irwin home is Ed Lavandera. We`re here with an all-star line-up for you and taking your calls.

Out to Jane in Missouri. Hi, Jane. What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you for taking my call, Nancy. And I respect you for everything you do for all those out there missing.

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have a question. Did they ever have a babysitter that somebody would know the inside of the home that maybe...

GRACE: Excellent question. To Matt Zarrell. What do we know? Who ever takes -- who took care of the baby, other than the mom and dad,

do we know yet?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, we`re still trying to figure that out. And one of the big questions here is who besides Deborah Bradley, the mother, was the last person to see baby Lisa? We know where the mother was. At 5:00 o`clock, she was at the grocery store. We know that she told cops that at 10:30, she saw the baby in her crib. But between those hours, we don`t know who has seen the baby other than this mother.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight, Eleanor Odom, senior attorney with the National District Attorneys Association. She is death penalty-qualified, Renee Rockwell, defense attorney, Atlanta, Peter Odom, defense attorney, Atlanta.

Eleanor, I`ve learned through the grapevine that, apparently, a highpowered lawyer out of Chicago has now been in contact and in conversations with the parents. That lawyer`s claim to fame? She got a guy off who was charged with the kidnap and murder of his baby girl, and now she`s in touch with this family.

Weigh in, Eleanor Odom.

ELEANOR ODOM, NATIONAL DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOC.: Well, clearly, the family is going with someone who has a proven track record, Nancy, and that makes me a little anxious, that they would choose that particular lawyer and that they need a lawyer right now.

But also, has anybody talked to this brother, the man who was with the mom in the grocery store? Nobody`s even mentioned that. Why aren`t we talking to him and hearing what exactly was going on in

those hours?

GRACE: Weigh in, Renee Rockwell.

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I don`t know what`s so suspicious about someone getting a lawyer. They`ve already cooperated with the police. They`ve taken a polygraph. The police keep going back, going back, going back to the point of harassment. I see nothing wrong with getting a high-powered lawyer.

GRACE: Renee? Renee? You know, you and I both have had tragedy strike our lives where someone we loved was killed, yours in a crash, mine through a murder. I don`t recall hiring a high-powered criminal defense attorney when I was a crime victim. I don`t recall you hiring a high- powered criminal defense attorney when you were a crime victim. So what makes this any different? Why are they talking to defense lawyers?

ROCKWELL: I think, Nancy, it`s because the police keep swinging back around and wanting to talk...

GRACE: So?

ROCKWELL: ... and keep talking and talking. Nobody was asking you because they knew what happened in your fiance`s murder or in my husband`s crash. In this situation, I think the parents are tired and they want the police to go elsewhere to find out what`s going on.

GRACE: What about it, Peter?

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I agree with Renee. The police keep going back at these people. They want to talk to -- these people are grieving and -- well, they can`t even grieve. They are in...

GRACE: They`re grieving?

PETER ODOM: ... tragedy -- they`re in tragedy...

GRACE: Why are they grieving?

PETER ODOM: Well, as I said, Nancy, they can`t even...

GRACE: There`s no suggestion the baby is dead.

PETER ODOM: They can`t even start grieving because their baby is missing and the police keep pestering them. I would hire a lawyer, too.

GRACE: You know what? Why -- put him on the screen, please!

PETER ODOM: Put me back up.

GRACE: Peter Odom, why are you saying that they`re grieving? Number one, the baby has not been declared dead. And number two, it seems to me if they`re looking for the baby, the first thing they should do is cooperate with police.

PETER ODOM: Well, "grieving" is probably the wrong word. Their lives

have been...

GRACE: Yes, it was.

PETER ODOM: ... turned upside-down by a missing child, Nancy. And the police keep coming back at them. And I would hire a lawyer under those circumstances, too, and I`d want a good one if I could afford it.

GRACE: We are live in Kansas City, Missouri. As the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of a 10-month-old baby girl increase, tonight, where is baby Lisa?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The only thing we know is that this 10-monthold belongs in this house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The baby`s mother, Deborah Bradley, was the last person to see Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Someone suggested they check the old well or cistern. Firefighters went down into the well about 30 feet deep. No sign of 11-month-old Lisa Irwin.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Several developments going on today. There are -- searches continue in the area here near the home of where baby Lisa was abducted from.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s very likely that the mom slept through any incident that occurred in the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He had come home from work. It was the middle of the night. But what he said was so strange, almost every light in the house was on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are you on your area canvas?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Finishing up with the neighbor from across the street now. Will contact you in a minute.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And we understand that there are detectives that are going through a wooded area not too far away.

GRACE: This is a 10-month-old baby. The baby can`t walk. The baby can`t run. So why are they looking in a pond or a wooded area?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The father said that there were -- that whoever did this knew their way in and around the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What we heard from the parents is they took

a break. We don`t know how long this was going on. Maybe these poor parents were questioned for 10 hours. They`re emotional.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are also other crews that are going through a nearby pond, a large pond that is not too far away from this home, as well.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He started walking around the house. He checked on his boys. They were fine. And then he checked on his little baby girl and she was missing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back. We are live in Kansas City, Missouri, in the search for baby Lisa. We are taking your calls live.

To Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "Dealbreakers." You know, I keep hearing that the parents needed a break from the police investigation. Why?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: You know, when someone says, I need a break, it`s just a rationalization or an excuse to get away from another person. And what I wonder if they were asking the mom was, Was this a wanted baby? Was this a happy marriage? And were they having financial problems?

GRACE: Good point, Bethany. Joining me right now, Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline.com. Alexis, I understand police are now on the lookout for a local handyman -- some people think he may even be homeless -- that was spotted near baby Lisa`s home in the hours

before she goes missing. What do you know?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: Well, there`s a man -- his nickname is Jersey. He`s one of the local men that lives around -well, he`s homeless, but he`s around the neighborhood a lot. He, in fact, was very drunk in a bar, according to a bar owner, just a few nights before the baby went missing. He`s also been spotted in the neighborhood, so the police are trying to find him.

But you know what? They can`t find him. They haven`t been able to locate him in a couple of days, and they really want to talk to him. Even if he`s not involved, they want to see if he knows anything, if he saw anyone, if he was wandering around the neighborhood late at night.

GRACE: Got it.

TERESZCUK: They definitely want to question him.

GRACE: Well, as a matter of fact, joining me right now is Steve McConnell. He`s the owner of One-Eyed Jacks bar. Cops came and asked him about the patron, let me say, named Jersey. Steve, thank you for being with us. When cops came to question you about this guy, this handyman, this local handyman, what did they want to know and what did you tell them?

STEVE MCCONNELL, OWNER, ONE-EYED JACKS BAR (via telephone): Well, the cops actually didn`t come in and talk to me, Nancy, about that. They just came in and checked on some surveillance. The handyman deal has been talked to more through the reporters that have contacted me on that.

GRACE: What can you tell us about him?

MCCONNELL: He lived down the street probably about a quarter of a mile from our place. He lived with some other guys and a gal. They lived there for several months. Never seen him before that. And then just here recently, a few weeks ago, they -- everyone moved out except him, and he had no place to go. And my understanding is he`s just been kind of wandering around the neighborhood.

GRACE: Everybody, we are live in Kansas City, Missouri, cops focusing in on an abandoned home, a local handyman and all the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of 10-month-old baby Lisa. Tip line, 816- 747-8477. There is a reward.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A neighbor told Fox 4 news she saw a man walking in the neighborhood with a baby.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is a bad guy out there or bad people with this child.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re working hard in all directions, no doubt about it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody`s sleeping.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These folks have been up around the clock.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody`s eating.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re still full steam ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can`t be without her!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our main priority, our number one goal is to find this child.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Call the tips hotline if you know where she`s at!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think our detectives are doing what people would expect they were doing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The latest search, a lot of people here searching for Lisa Irwin.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are back and taking your calls. Back to Ed Lavandera, who`s joining us outside the family home there in Irwin -- the Irwin home there in Kansas City, Missouri. Ed, I understand that the family has moved out of the home. Why?

LAVANDERA: I think they were tired of all the attention here. They`ve gone off to a house about two miles -- a relative`s home about two miles away from where they are. And obviously, there are people who followed them there. We`ve seen over the course of the last few days officers going in and out of the house. I`m not sure if they`ve been going down to police headquarters or FBI offices to continue talking to them, but we`ve also seen...

GRACE: Right.

LAVANDERA: ... investigators coming repeatedly to that home there.

GRACE: Ed, I want to talk about this homeless guy. We just spoke with Steve McConnell, the owner of One-Eyed Jacks bar there. Cops came and asked patrons at the bar about this guy. I`m trying to get my head around this. So that theory would be that a homeless guy comes into the home, he doesn`t steal things, he doesn`t grab money, he doesn`t get any food. He turns on all the lights, takes the cell phones and the baby and leaves? Is that the scenario?

LAVANDERA: That would -- that would be the scenario, which, obviously, you know, the way you`re kind of talking about it kind of, you know, suggests that -- look, who knows what`s going on here.

But we`ve spoken with neighbors and we just had a fascinating conversation with one neighbor in particular who talked about how officers have been showing around this picture of this -- they`re not even calling it a person of interest, aren`t even acknowledging that they`re actually doing this. But we`ve heard from neighbors that they`ve -- they`re showing around this picture.

The neighbor that we spoke with said that they had actually seen this person about two months ago in a nearby park. And they had this conversation. The guy was looking for work. And then all of a sudden, the conversation stopped. He pulled out a long knife to peel an orange.

GRACE: Oh. To Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. What do you think, Marc?

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION (via telephone): Well, I`d like to talk a little bit about the lawyer. I think that hiring a lawyer changes the focus from the baby to the parents. The lawyer is hired to protect the interests of the mom and dad, not to recover baby Lisa. Also the public perception that if they`ve hired a lawyer, particularly one with this area of expertise, what exactly is it they`re hiding?

GRACE: You know, Marc Klaas, when your daughter, Polly, went missing, as I recall, you didn`t rush out and hire a criminal defense lawyer, did you?

KLAAS: I didn`t hire anybody.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Report of a residential burglary in progress, North Lister. Contact Jeremy. Respond Code 1.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Jeremy Irwin calls 911 to report his 10-

month- old baby daughter, Lisa, was missing from her crib.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MISSING 10-MONTH-OLD INFANT`S MOTHER: Our two other boys are waiting for her. Please.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: He noticed the screen is busted and 10month- old daughter is missing. He advised he didn`t witness anything and they don`t know how long she`s been gone.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Only hours before baby Lisa was reportedly abducted, mommy is at this nearby grocery store with this strange man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And return Lisa home safely.

BRADLEY: Just drop her off anywhere.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: As the search for this little baby girl continues.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I knew then that they must be searching for the baby Lisa.

BRADLEY: We don`t care, just somewhere safe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are you on your area canvas?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Finishing up with a neighbor from across the street now. Will contact you in a minute.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Call me on my cell ASAP.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live in Kansas City, Missouri, taking your calls. With us on the scene, Ed Lavandera.

A 10-month-old baby girl goes missing in the middle of the night. Mommy says she`s sleeping just feet away from her baby girl`s crib but hears nothing. When daddy gets home from the night shift, 4:00 a.m., he finds all the lights on in the home, all the cell phones missing. The front door unlocked. A window raised. And baby Lisa gone.

Out to the lines, Janine in Oklahoma. Hi, Janine, what`s your question?

JANINE, CALLER FROM OKLAHOMA: My question is, is why does the father not show any emotion and won`t look at the cameras? And why did they have three cell phones? And who would know where the cell phones --

GRACE: Three cell phones, I know that -- Janine, I think that one of the cell phones -- everybody you`re seeing home video of baby Lisa Irwin from are YouTube. I think one of the cell phones he had from work. He had that on him when he got home. Let`s go to Ed Lavandera. What about the cell phones and were they not sitting out charging?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What Deborah Bradley said, I think a day or two after all of this broke, was that the phones had been sitting there on the counter. That they weren`t working. That she was in the process of reprogramming the phones. Not exactly sure what that means but that they were there on the counter.

Presumably they would have been there before baby Lisa`s father had gotten home that night and then they disappeared.

GRACE: To whom did the three cell phones belong, Ed?

LAVANDERA: I`m assuming the parents. I don`t know why there would be three -- I don`t know exactly whose numbers were assigned to whomever, but you know obviously you`ve got to presume that they were part of the family`s. Why there were three instead of two, I`m not sure.

GRACE: Which leads me to another question. Let`s go to Detective Lieutenant Steve Rogers, with the Nutley Police Department, a former member of the FBI.

Hi, Steve. Question. These three cell phones that were allegedly stolen from the home at the time the baby goes missing, do you believe, as I do, one of the first things cops should do is triangulate the phones? And if so, how would that be done?

DET. LT. STEVE ROGERS, NUTLEY, NEW JERSEY, POLICE DEPARTMENT: Yes, they will triangulate the phones.

GRACE: OK, I can`t hear Steve. Tell me when you get his satellite back up.

Dr. Marty Makary joining us, physician and professor of public health at Johns Hopkins.

Dr. Marty, thanks for being with us. I`ve been thinking a lot about that front window that looked like someone had entered in through it and possibly left the home through the front door. If any evidence had been left behind around that window, what would it have been?

DR. MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN, PROF. OF PUBLIC HEALTH, JOHNS HOPKINS: Well, when there`s a difficult entry in a place like this, such as this window, it can be a treasure trove of forensic medical evidence. Lacerations are common, scratches, blood drops, hair, articles of clothing that could have DNA.

So while a 10-month-old is unlikely to struggle like a 2- or 3-year- old might, an area of entry like that could be where a lot of DNA and forensic medical evidence can be collected.

GRACE: Everybody, we`re taking your calls.

Out to Nancy in Pennsylvania. Hi, dear, what`s your question?

NANCY, CALLER FROM PENNSYLVANIA: Hi, Nancy. It`s good to talk with you again. I`m wondering about this scenario. The police have done, you know, someone going through the window and it was a grown man. What about the possibility of like the older brother, maybe he has some jealousy about this baby or something we`re not aware

of, or maybe a small person, maybe even a woman that might have gone through the window?

And I think the fact that the lights were all on signifies that I think it may just have been an inside job, maybe with the older brother in conjunction with an adult.

GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait. Nancy in Pennsylvania, did I just hear you correctly? You think that the older brother in conjunction with an adult took the child, the 10-month-old girl, out of jealousy?

NANCY: Well, we don`t know about what her relationship with her brothers are and I just think that`s an avenue that should be pursued. I mean was he jealous of this new baby?

GRACE: OK. Hold on. Let`s just follow this thing through. The children -- let me go to Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst. The children are 8 and 6, OK. Now before I prosecuted adults, I got to practice on juveniles.

I don`t see it with an 8- and a 6-year-old, much less in conjunction with an adult? What`s the 6-year-old going to say? You know in the toy aisle there at K-Mart, hey, can you help me knock off my baby sister, she`s 10 months old?

I don`t see it, Dr. Bethany.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": Well, would a 6- and an 8-year-old not only would they have the will but would they have the strength to carry something

like that out? But let`s say for a second they did. What we would see would be people from the community coming forward saying that there were behavioral problems with these boys, especially the 8-year-old.

Has anyone in the community come forward and said that they saw the 8- year-old abusing the baby, that there are behavioral problems in school, that there`s bullying in the neighborhood? We don`t see anything of that sort, so there`s just nothing to point the finger at these brothers.

GRACE: Everybody, we`re taking your calls. Unleash the lawyers. Eleanor Odom, Renee Rockwell, Peter Odom.

Renee and Peter both joining me out of Atlanta.

You know, Eleanor, that type of juvenile crime, very, very few and far between. You remember when JonBenet Ramsey went missing?

ELEANOR ODOM, FELONY PROSECUTOR, DEATH PENALTY QUALIFIED: Yes.

GRACE: She didn`t go missing, she was killed.

E. ODOM: Yes.

GRACE: Everybody said oh, it`s the brother Burke. You know, it was not the brother Burke. No one ever seriously suspected the brother. And we see that over and over, that the sibling is always suspected. And it`s very, very rarely true.

E. ODOM: Not only is it not rare but, Nancy, look at this case. First of all, have the police even investigated the brothers and interviewed them? It`s real important to do an interview of both those boys. Also let`s face it, Nancy, a 6 and an 8-year-old, they`re not sophisticated little liars. If they were really involved in something, it`s not like they could keep up this big lie. So I`m with you, I don`t see that.

GRACE: OK. What about it, Peter?

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I hate to agree with the prosecutors, but I do. I mean two things about kids. First of all, kids at a very tender age sometimes do commit some horrible crimes, that`s reality, but they`re not very good at concealing their crimes and they`re not very good about lying about it, so I just can`t see that happening. I`m sure the police have interviewed these two kids.

GRACE: Yes. Renee?

P. ODOM: But unlikely they`re involved.

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: And if the children have been involved in anything like this, Nancy, it`s not like you`re going to see any DNA that`s going to upset the police. So it`s an interesting but far- reaching and very inconsistent solution.

GRACE: Well, the thing to take away from Nancy in Pennsylvania`s question is that nobody is -- nobody has been cleared and everybody is a suspect. There are cases where juveniles do commit heinous crimes. I just don`t think a 6- and 8-year-old are going to hold up under police interrogation. Somebody is going to crack. So I think I`m

safe to go out on a limb and clear the 6-year-old and the 8-year-old.

I want to go back to Ed Lavandera joining me there outside the family home. Ed also taking your questions.

An abandoned home has come under scrutiny. Why, Ed?

LAVANDERA: Well, that was one of -- remember off the top I had mentioned that they`d been going around and searching various areas around this neighborhood.

GRACE: Yes.

LAVANDERA: And they said that was the same thing with this abandoned home. Less than a mile away from where we are right here. And they spent a good chunk of the day a few days ago, about four or five hours, checking out a water well. They went down about 30 feet. They had to empty the water out. They spent a great deal of time. Nothing was found there.

Interestingly enough after they were done with that search, that house was leveled in a matter of minutes, so it`s not even there anymore.

GRACE: Is there a possibility that that homeless guy had been living there, Ed Lavandera?

LAVANDERA: I heard a report of that. We haven`t -- you know I haven`t confirmed that on our own.

GRACE: OK.

LAVANDERA: I did hear that that was floating around. It`s possible that, you know, someone could have come in and out of that house.

GRACE: Right.

LAVANDERA: No one really paid much attention to it.

GRACE: To Alexis Tereszcuk, I understand that the father, Jeremy Irwin, has made a statement about him offering to take a polygraph. What did he say, Alexis?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: He said that he offered the police that he would take a polygraph and they actually turned him down. They said, no, they didn`t need one from him, meaning that they believed everything that he said and that they don`t need that at all in the case. Unlike the mom who apparently did take one and failed.

GRACE: Interestingly but -- yes, you`re right, Alexis. Now she stated she failed. Police are not confirming that.

Everybody, tip line, 816-747-8477. Where is baby Lisa?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The only thing that we know is that this 10-

month- old belongs in this house.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The baby`s mother, Deborah Bradley, was the last person to see Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Someone suggested they check the old well or cistern. Firefighters went down into the well about 30 feet deep. No sign of 11-month-old Lisa Irwin.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRADLEY: I`m terrified, but I`m trying to be hopeful.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Where is the baby? Seriously, where is the baby?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: He noticed the screen is busted and 10month- old daughter is missing. He advised he didn`t witness anything and they don`t know how long she`s been gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is a bad guy out there.

LAVANDERA: And that window has been the center and the focus of

this investigation.

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: One of the officers climbed through the window in question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that how somebody got in there?

JEREMY IRWIN, MISSING 10-MONTH-OLD INFANT`S FATHER: The window was -- in the front was open.

BRADLEY: I just knew, you know, something was really wrong.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The FBI and police are stumped on this one.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Is this a desperate place in the investigation?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I wouldn`t say that. We know that it really just takes the one right nugget of information to kick this thing off in high gear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bring Lisa back here now.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Tonight, the search for baby Lisa is on. A lot of focus on the

parents. They`re pictured right here. There`s the mom who`s taken a polygraph, but this isn`t the first time a baby has been stolen out of a home. It`s not always the parents. For instance, Shannon Torrez, abducted, a 7-day-old infant, claimed a car broke down, entered the home, told mom she was taking the baby. Infant baby Abby found alive five days later.

Priscilla Maldonado -- Stephanie Jones abducted a newborn girl Priscilla. Dressed in scrubs, she visited the mom in the hospital and left with the infant Ryder Miller. Priscilla Mechell abducted a 1-week-old infant. It was a friend`s child. Ryder found alive in a dumpster. Anthony Deja-Diaz, Maria Robles and Jose Velarde arrested for murdering the mom and abducting the baby. Infant baby Anthony found alive, abandoned on a doorstep.

It can happen. It is not unheard of. But to you, Marc Klaas, I would say that statistically when a child goes missing, someone within the family or close to that family is responsible.

Do the statistics bear that out, Marc?

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, in fact in 82 percent of all abductions, they are family centric, so indeed you`re absolutely correct about that.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Daphne in Florida.

Hi, Daphne, what`s your question?

DAPHNE, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Hi, Nancy. I have a question and a

comment. You know, it`s sad because a lot of this is going to happen right now with everybody getting off with these kind of cases, kids being kidnapped and found missing, and then the mothers getting the book signings and all kind of stuff.

It just seems like you`re going to see a lot of that because I see a lot of people getting away with these kind of crimes. But my question is with the scene of the baby`s room yesterday, everything looked neat and in order besides the crib. And it just seems like the room was just like too neat. And you know, for the room to be as neat and as clean as it was, then why was the crib so messy, full of mess if the baby was found there and taken from the crib?

GRACE: Now one thing I know, Daphne, is that another camera crew had come in there from another outlet and had moved a few things around, I think, and put those items in the crib.

Let`s see the crib, Liz, please.

But as far as the room being neat, now that is an interesting question. The room was exceedingly neat.

What does that say to you, Bethany Marshall, if anything?

MARSHALL: That`s fascinating. The fact that there don`t appear to be any toys makes me wonder if the mother was planning for this little baby to have a future. See, because we see two things with infanticide. One is that the child is not provided with toys because the mother doesn`t think the baby will be around.

The other thing we see often is that after the baby has an accident or meets some early demise --

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GRACE: Wait a minute, wait a minute. Here are some of the toys. Hey, look, here are some of the toys in there, in the room. But with an infant, I mean the baby may be too small to play with that that you`re looking at. I`m just wondering about other items that would have been in the crib.

Go ahead, Bethany.

MARSHALL: Nancy -- but Nancy, don`t you think the type of toys would provide a really treasure trove of clues as to how the mother felt about the child? For instance, if there were just age-appropriate toys like a fuzzy little toy that the baby could hold on to, but nothing for when the child turned 1, 2 or 3, that would tell us that this mother was not planning for the baby`s future and we could also ask the friends and the family members of the mother -- did she talk about the baby`s future? Did she make plans for the future? Did she go shopping for the baby dresses for when the toddler --

GRACE: Oh man, look at that picture, Bethany.

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GRACE: Let`s go back to that shot of the baby in the front yard playing with that little Barbie something. Oh, man, that`s killing me. What is it about this picture, Bethany, that`s just upsetting me so

much? What is it? The baby is smiling and happy and playing with something.

MARSHALL: This little baby is so full of life but so vulnerable. A child like this cannot survive without a mother, a father, a whole community of people who loves the baby. I know your twins have a community, a grandpa, a grandmother. We see them on camera.

You know that not one grandmother or grandfather has come forward in this case? I haven`t heard anything from the relatives, unless I`ve missed a report. Why is the family circling the wagon? Why isn`t anybody coming out with a theory?

GRACE: You know that`s a good question.

MARSHALL: And look at --

GRACE: Let me go to Ed Lavandera on that.

Ed, what about it? Have we heard from grandparents or extended family?

LAVANDERA: We`ve tried talking to them. We`ve talked to -- those are the people we`ve been in touch with, some of the extended family members that have been acting on behalf of the family.

Look, as I tell everyone who asks me these types of similar questions in these situations, when something like this happens to you and a bunch of news trucks roll up in your neighborhood and start hanging

out, how people react in these situations, you know, I`ve seen people react in a wide array of ways.

You know, I don`t presume to even --

GRACE: Right.

LAVANDERA: -- judge or think what`s going through someone`s mind. You know, I just -- I couldn`t imagine being in the people`s shoes.

GRACE: Got it.

LAVANDERA: Especially if you`re a loved one.

GRACE: Everybody, we are taking your calls. Out to Tina in Ohio. Hi, Tina, what`s your question? I think I`ve got Tina. Do I have Daphne in Florida? OK. Hilda in Arkansas, hi, dear, what`s your question?

OK, I`m losing my callers. Liz, let me know when we had the line back up.

I want to go back out to Alexis Tereszcuk.

Alexis, what more do we know about this handyman? Because cops really seem to be focusing on him. They`ve been showing his picture around the neighborhood. Is he really a target or is this a red herring, just something they`ve got to cross their T`s and dot their I`s and find him and clear him? What do we know about him?

TERESZCUK: Well, what we`ve heard is that he rides his bike around the neighborhood. And you know you were speaking about the abandoned house? He was apparently living there. That`s what they were saying. They thought that he was living in that house before they tore it down. But for some reason the police definitely want to talk to him. So they maybe do think that he might have some information that could help them find little Lisa.

GRACE: As mommy takes a polygraph, police look for a local homeless guy, a handyman last seen in baby Lisa`s neighborhood. The tip line, 816- 747-8477. Crucial hours passed in the search for 10-month-old baby Lisa.

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BRADLEY: I ran around the house, and was screaming for her, and she was nowhere.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Search for a missing Missouri baby.

LAVANDERA: Ten-month-old Lisa Irwin --

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Who`s vanished from her home.

IRWIN: I noticed and the front was open.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Front door unlocked, lights on in the home.

BRADLEY: Just disappeared.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re chasing things as they come down. The best thing for us to try to find this child, that`s our number one priority.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s zero, zero doubt in Deborah.

BRADLEY: Please, just drop her off anywhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you don`t have any other suspects, you could go with the one person that was there that night.

BRADLEY: We don`t care, just somewhere safe where she can come home, please.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who else do you point your finger at? You know?

IRWIN: Somebody`s daughter somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They live here. It`s their child. Who knows more.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I told them everything that I knew.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Their involvement in this investigation is critical.

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GRACE: Everybody, we are live and taking your calls. Where is baby Lisa, snatched out of her own crib? Mommy just feet away at the time. Daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of his 10month- old baby girl.

Out to the lines, Amy in Oklahoma. Hi, dear, what`s your question?

AMY, CALLER FROM OKLAHOMA: Yes, Nancy, my question is where -who`s responsible for taking care of the kids while she was buying the wine at the grocery store?

GRACE: You know that`s what I`m screaming.

Ed Lavandera, who was taking care of the babies while she was at the grocery store buying wine?

LAVANDERA: We don`t have a direct answer on that. But I can kind of walk through maybe -- you know, some things that I`ve been thinking about here over the last 24 hours since we`ve seen that video.

GRACE: OK.

LAVANDERA: But the father comes home at 4:00 in the morning to discover that. So let`s assume he`s worked an eight-hour day, right? That puts it back to about 8:00 at night. Let`s say he left for work at 7:00- ish. So it`s -- you know, I can presume that perhaps dad was home around 5:00 in the afternoon before he left for work, while Deborah made that run to the grocery store.

This is just to say I don`t know exactly who was home. Obviously the kids were not with her, they were not in that video. And so I`m just kind of trying to work through logically what might be an explanation for that.

GRACE: So, Ed Lavandera, you`ve just proved you`re not just a pretty face. You can use that noggin. That makes perfect sense.

Tip line, everybody, 816-747-8477. There is a reward. Please help us find baby Lisa. She`s only 10 months old.

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, the heartland. A

10- month-old baby girl sleeping in a crib just feet away from her own mother, Daddy on the night shift, goes missing without a trace, front door unlocked, front window open, every cell phone gone.

Grainy surveillance video emerges, mommy shopping with a mystery man just hours before baby Lisa vanishes. What does Mommy buy? Baby food and a big honkin` box of wine! We ID that mystery man as police on the lookout for a neighborhood handyman spotted near baby Lisa`s home.

Bombshell tonight. We spot FBI agents running alongside a deep rock quarry less than a mile from the family home, surrounded by dense woods. Police head to relatives` homes to meet with family members, then leave the scene of the kidnap with a brown paper bag and envelope. Why?

And tonight, the timeline redefined. Daddy calls 911 precisely at 4:04 AM. This as we learn over 1,400 sex predators within just a five-mile radius of baby Lisa asleep in her crib. Tonight, where is 10-month-old baby Lisa?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He knows (ph) his (ph) screen is busted and his 10-month-old daughter is missing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Missing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Missing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Missing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) don`t know how long she`s been gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That call initiates the intense search for Lisa Irwin.

GRACE: This baby gone from her own home. 911 calls just after baby Lisa reported missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 4:00 o`clock Tuesday morning is when the father came home and discovered that the crib was empty, and then called police.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who besides Deborah Bradley, the mother, was the last person to see baby Lisa?

GRACE: If they`re looking for the baby, the first thing they should do is cooperate with police.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re being strong.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our two other boys are waiting for her! Please!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No one could cry 24/7.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just drop her off anywhere!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Maybe 2 percent of all abductions, they are family-centered.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Obviously, the kids were not with her. They were not in that -- in that video.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s all about hope.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Investigators spent their time going back over a wooded area near 36th and North Brighton.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) know they`re looking for a body and not a baby.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, there are miracles, and hopefully, this will be one of them.

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GRACE: And tonight, season 13, "Dancing With the Stars," TV host and season 4 contestant Leeza Gibbons (ph) with us, "Dancing" semifinalist actress Monique Coleman (ph), season 11 finalist Kyle Massey (ph), season 13 professional dancer Val, long-time dancing pro Chelsea Hightower (ph) and my dancer partner, Tristan MacManus. We are all taking your calls.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, the next couple safe is -- Nancy and Tristan!

GRACE: Stomach burning. It`s, like, Oh, easy come and easy go. No problem!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) take it week by week and try and do your best performance every week and enjoy the process because it can be over.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And yes, it`s sad because you just -- you work really hard and you think nobody`s ever going to go home. And then, like, Oh, that`s right. It`s a competition. There`s only one mirror ball.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You just really need to make sure that, you know, people vote because at the end of the day, even if the scores are high and no one votes, you`re going to be the one going home.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. A 10-month-old baby girl sleeping in a crib just feet away from her own mother, Daddy on the night shift, goes missing without a trace. We spot FBI agents running alongside a deep rock quarry less than a mile from the family home, the quarry surrounded by dense woods. Police head to relatives` homes to meet with family members, and then they leave the kidnap scene with a brown paper bag and an envelope. Why?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get there fast.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Baby Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everybody loves her!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Residential burglary in progress (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The front door was unlocked.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: She`s at the grocery store buying wine at about 5:00 PM.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I came home from work...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dad comes home at 4:0 AM.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... most of the lights were on in the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He advised that he didn`t witness anything and doesn`t know how long she`s been gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A residential burglary changes in a split second with Irwin`s description of what he found.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Only hours before, Mommy is at this nearby grocery store.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I go to the store and everybody says she`s beautiful!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jeremy Irwin calls 911 to report his 10-monthold baby daughter, Lisa, was missing from her crib.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) in all directions, no doubt about it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody`s sleeping.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These folks have been up around the clock.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody`s eating.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And we`re still full steam ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can`t be without here!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our main priority, our number one goal is to find

this child.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls. Straight out to Ed Lavandera, CNN correspondent joining us there outside the Irwin home, Kansas City, Missouri. Ed, FBI agents spotted running -- not walking, running -down the side of a rock quarry less than one mile from the family home. What`s up?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, what they have been doing and what we`ve seen them doing repeatedly over the last several days is going through a lot of these different areas very close to the home. What exactly they`re looking for and what exactly they have found, they are keeping very close to the vest, not sharing that kind of information. But we`ve seen them fanning out in various locations. That rock quarry is just the latest one where we`ve seen that.

What was interesting, though, is that there was an FBI evidence truck that pulled out of that area late yesterday afternoon. And obviously, we don`t know what was in there, if they found anything of significance. So - - but they keep doing that. In fact, as we speak here right now, there are FBI agents walking up and down the neighborhood here, looking through the gardens and the landscaping of various homes next to the Irwin house.

GRACE: Everybody, you`re seeing video from NBC`s "Today" show. It`s an FBI evidence truck at the rock quarry in the search for baby Lisa. Take a look at this.

Well, you know what? Here`s my take on that. And I`m going to go out to Dr. Vincent Dimaio -- let`s keep on that video for a second, Liz. I want to see what -- I want the viewers to see the FBI there. He`s the former chief medical examiner, Bexar County, forensic pathologist, joining us out of San Antonio.

Dr. Dimaio, you`ve been on plenty of murder scenes and done plenty of autopsies. I know this, when you see the FBI running alongside of a rock quarry -- there they are walking. We spotted them running alongside of a rock quarry. That`s not a good sign, Dr. Dimaio. What does it say to you?

DR. VINCENT DIMAIO, FMR. CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER (via telephone): It says to me that they think they`ve got something and they`re kind of excited about it. And they want to come aboard (ph) territory and see whether they can find any trace evidence, or unfortunately, a body.

GRACE: Now, I find it very interesting -- out to you, Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline.com. I find it very, very interesting that this rock quarry is less than one mile from the family home. So Alexis, if they do have evidence there, be it the baby`s clothing, baby Lisa herself -- who`s going to break into the home and then take the baby, you know, a half a mile away and put it in a rock quarry? Who would do that?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: Well, it would obviously have to be somebody that knows the area very well. And something that is really interesting is there are 1,400 registered sex offenders that live within a five-mile radius of this home. So they have a lot of suspects that maybe don`t even know the family but that could be suspicious.

As we`ve talked about, they are looking for a homeless man that was in the area, but it could also be the family that knows the area very well. They know this quarry is abandoned. It`s somewhere that they thought they could have hid somebody or a baby.

GRACE: Right. We are taking your calls. Out to Abigail in Missouri. Hi, Abigail. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I love your show.

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was calling because I`m a young mother and -- of a young -- of a young child -- excuse me. And I always have the baby monitor on every time he is in his room. Did they have any type of baby monitor that they could hear her in the middle of the night? Because I know any mom would hear any type of noise that their child makes.

GRACE: Good question. Liz, let`s put up the pictures of the baby`s room and see if we can spot a monitor in there. To Ed Lavandera, do we know if a baby monitor was on?

LAVANDERA: Yes, I wish I could answer that question. I don`t have any information on that. You know, the house isn`t terribly large, so it wouldn`t take much -- you know, it`s not like you could absolutely not hear something that`s on the other side of the house. But specifically about a baby monitor, I`m not sure.

GRACE: Tell me, Ed, when the FBI got there to that rock quarry, what

exactly did they do? Did they go down into the quarry? Are they on the outskirts, in those dense woods? What are they doing exactly? Let`s see the video.

LAVANDERA: Well, I think what you see a lot of is these FBI agents just kind of walking in a straight line, like they`re essentially canvassing and checking out a large area. So they -- you know, they kind of walk, you know, next to each other and keep walking, and then they`re -- and they`re looking for any kind of clues, any kind of evidence down on the ground, and you can see them doing that repeatedly.

GRACE: Liz, let`s cue up what we have of the 911 call. There are actually hours of transmissions going back and forth and back and forth, starting around a new redefined timeline. Daddy gets home from work around 4:04 AM. He calls 911, and the calls start flying between 911 and dispatch and various squad cars. Take a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Report of a residential burglary in progress (DELETED) Contact Jeremy. Respond code 1.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He noticed his screen is busted and his 10month-old daughter is missing. He advised that he didn`t witness anything and doesn`t know how long she`s been gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are you on your area canvass?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Finishing up with a neighbor from across the

street now. I`ll contact you in a minute.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Call me on my cell ASAP.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: Baby Lisa, just 10 months old, missing from her own crib as Mommy sleeps just feet away. FBI swarm a rock quarry less than one mile from baby Lisa`s home. Tonight, can baby Lisa be saved? Crucial hours passing now.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody knows more about what`s going on in that house than they do. They would be where our original focus would be just because they live there. They know the child. And that would be where our greatest focus would be to begin with, regardless.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Report of a residential burglary in progress (DELETED) Contact Jeremy. Respond code 1.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trying to find this child.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Missing from her crib.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is her Barney that she sleeps with every night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Around 10:30, when she put her daughter to bed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Made sure her binky was in her crib in case she needed it!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He noticed his screen is busted and his 10month-old daughter is missing. He advised that he didn`t witness anything and doesn`t know how long she`s been gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That call initiates the intense search for Lisa Irwin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Missing from her home here in Kansas City.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police wanting to be sure that they haven`t missed anything in this whole area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Help us find the guilty party and return Lisa home safely.

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GRACE: Welcome back. We are live in the search for baby Lisa and taking your calls. A lot of this really not fitting together in my mind. Let`s take it from the top, Matt Zarrell. Go through the timeline.

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: OK, Nancy. What happens is, is that baby Lisa is put down in her crib by Deborah Bradley, the mother, at about 10:30. Deborah Bradley then goes to bed with her 6year-old son in the bed with her and a stray dog -- a stray kitten -excuse me.

What happens is, is that the father comes home from the night shift about 4:00 AM. This is the first time he had ever worked the overnight shift. He comes home at 4:00 AM. He notices the screen is pushed in...

GRACE: Whoa! Wait, wait, wait, wait! Wait! Did you just say this is the first time he`s ever worked the night shift?

ZARRELL: This is the first time he`s ever worked the overnight shift, yes.

GRACE: And out of all of the nights in the universe, this is the night somebody breaks in the house. OK, go ahead.

ZARRELL: OK, so he comes home at 4:00 AM. He notices that the door is unlocked. The lights in the house, most of them are on. And the front screen -- the front window is open and the screen for the window is pushed in.

He goes to the back room to talk to the mother about it, and that`s when he notices that the baby`s room is open. The father has reportedly said that the baby`s room is never open when she sleeps. It`s always closed. That`s when he immediately goes into the room, notices the baby is missing and frantically calls 911.

GRACE: OK. Take it from there.

ZARRELL: OK, what happens is police immediately get on scene. They start investigating. You heard the call from the dispatch where the dispatch initially reported as a burglary in progress, code one, which means get there immediately. Police then respond. You hear the police talking back and forth, doing a neighborhood canvas. And at that point, the police officers take the conversation to cell phones. So we unfortunately are not able to hear those conversations. But the investigation proceeded very fast from there.

GRACE: And now the parents have lawyered up with a high-powered criminal defense attorney who has represented a father recently who was charged in the kidnap and murder of his baby girl and was acquitted.

Unleash the lawyers, Gloria Allred, attorney, victims` rights advocate, host of "We the People," Alex Sanchez, defense attorney New York, Kirby Clements, defense attorney, Atlanta.

First to you, Gloria. What do you think?

GLORIA ALLRED, VICTIMS` RIGHTS ADVOCATE: Well, let me just say first of all you looked drop-dead gorgeous on "Dancing With the Stars"! But back to this case, Nancy. What I think is it`s a good thing

that they`ve hired a criminal defense lawyer because they had hired a private investigator. Don`t know whether he`s still on the scene. But they`re not going to have any confidentiality spilling their story to their private investigator. So I think it`s long overdue for them to have hired a lawyer.

GRACE: You know what, Gloria Allred? Interesting what you just said about what they say to the private investigator will not be held confidential. OK, Alex Sanchez, let`s hear your side.

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, look, I think there`s absolutely nothing wrong with hiring an attorney, and I think people are drawing these conclusions that if you hire an attorney, somehow you`re trying to hide information.

This could be the best thing for the prosecution because now the police and the district attorney can speak to the attorney and the attorney can speak to their client, and hopefully, there`ll will be greater communication between the parties. Those people are intimidated by the police. And why shouldn`t they go and get somebody that can speak on their behalf? And who better for that than an attorney?

GRACE: To Kirby Clements. Kirby, now, before you became a defense attorney, you were a felony prosecutor alongside of me. Everybody, that`s how I know Kirby. Kirby was a long-time hard-core criminal prosecutor, like myself, who then became a defense attorney.

Now, Kirby, think about it. I know your immediate response is going to be from a defense standpoint. But Kirby, when you were a prosecutor way back when with me, what would you have thought if a baby, an infant, a 10- month-old goes missing, and the parents immediately start contacting defense lawyers?

KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I`m sure that my immediate thought would have been, Why are they contacting the defense lawyer and why are they bringing a lawyer into it? Because I don`t want anybody, or I did not want anybody getting in between me and the witnesses. But you know, I think it`s acceptable. I think it`s OK, though.

GRACE: Now you do! Take a look at baby Lisa, 10 months old, reward, tip line 816-474-8477. Crucial hours passing now.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Got to find this child. That`s our number one priority.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s zero, zero doubt in Deborah.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please! Just drop her off anywhere!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you don`t have any other suspects, you go with the one person that was there that night.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We don`t care!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They had a box of wine, some baby wipes and baby food. Now, she did two separate purchases. She did the baby stuff first, and then the box of wine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are you on your area canvass?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m finishing up with a (INAUDIBLE) neighbor from across the street now (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Call me on my cell ASAP.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The last person to see her...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The baby`s mother.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The front door unlocked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Most of the lights were on in the house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The window just on the edge of the house there, they had found open.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ten-month-old daughter gone.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. Out to Sheryl McCollum, crime analyst, director of Cold Case Investigate (ph) Research Institute. Sheryl, what do you make of the scene?

SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST: They want you to believe that a stranger came in a window in the front of the house and left by the front door. And somehow, the stranger knew that Daddy wasn`t home that night. Somehow, a stranger would know there was not one but three cell phones.

I want to know how much of that wine is missing, Nancy. I want to know, you know, how quickly the mother could have gotten to that quarry and back because she had other children in the house. I want to know why she couldn`t pass a polygraph. What question bothered her?

I want to know why the Daddy won`t take one. I want to know why they`re not working with law enforcement, why they`re not pleading with, you know, the media. They should be on your show tonight, begging for help. They should be in the woods looking for her. But instead, they`re in some lawyer`s office getting their story straight.

GRACE: You know, Sheryl, you`re bringing up so many good points. And you know, Sheryl, you have been in the trenches. You`re not just the director of a cold case squad now. Sheryl has been in the courtrooms working on cases, investigating cases. That`s why she`s a cold case expert. And you`re right about everything you said.

To Dr. Brian Russell, forensic psychologist. Weigh in, Brian.

BRIAN RUSSELL, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: Nancy, I wish I could tell you that this looks to me like a stranger abduction because when strangers kidnap babies, they typically want to keep the babies alive. But every day, Nancy, this looks more and more to me like an Anthony situation.

And I think we have to keep in mind that for any parent who did intentionally or unintentionally kill a baby and want to dispose of the body, the Anthony case that we all just covered for the past three years was a almost class in what to do, what to say and what not to do, what not to say.

And I just want to add real quickly, having grown up in the Kansas City area, that I have been so proud of the law enforcement professionals in this area and the way that they`ve handled this case in front of the country.

GRACE: Brian Russell joining us from Lawrence, Kansas.

I want to remind everybody the parents are not suspects in this case. Not suspects. Police still wanting answers in the search for 10-monthold baby Lisa. Take a look at this baby girl. Who wouldn`t want this beautiful angel with them?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Look at this picture.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The baby just vanished. It`s difficult.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Look and keep thinking about this infant.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re all shocked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The baby`s mother, Deborah Bradley, was the last person to see Lisa.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, GUEST HOST: Bombshell developments tonight out of America`s heartland in the search for a 10-month-old girl who vanishes from her own crib in the dead of night. Her father works the night shift, then comes home to find baby Lisa gone. The last person to see her alive, her own mother.

In a shocking twist tonight, baby Lisa`s mom takes to the airwaves, admitting she was drunk the night baby Lisa disappears. Then another shocker. Mommy changes her story, now saying she last sees the baby at 6:40 PM, not 10:30 PM, a huge four-hour time difference.

And it`s all as investigators recover soiled diapers and baby wipes near the crime scene. As cops search a creek bed and the mother opens up about failing a polygraph, tonight, what happened to 10month-old baby Lisa?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Little Lisa Irwin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Draining part of a creek to look for new clues.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The National Guard is also joining the search.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The baby`s mother, Deborah Bradley -- she admits she was drinking that night.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: She`s at the grocery store buying wine at about 5:00 PM.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I came home from work...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dad comes home at 4:00 AM.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... most of the lights were on in the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He advised that he didn`t witness anything and didn`t know how long she`s been gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you drinking that night?

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much?

BRADLEY: Enough to be drunk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you were drunk?

BRADLEY: Uh-huh.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of people are going to say, Deborah, you were drunk that night. Is there any chance you did anything that hurt your daughter that you`re just not telling us?

BRADLEY: No. No. No. And if I thought there was a chance, I`d say it. No. No. I don`t think that alcohol changes a person enough to do something like that.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, if you`re in a blackout, you don`t know what happened. Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, in tonight for Nancy Grace.

You just heard it, baby Lisa`s mom on NBC`s "Today" show, as stunning new developments emerge in the search for the missing 10month-old snatched from her own crib.

Straight out to CNN correspondent Jim Spellman, live on the scene.

Jim, what is the latest?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That`s right, she came out this morning on the "Today" show, admitted that she was drunk the night that baby Lisa disappeared. Later that afternoon, a high-powered New York attorney, Joe Tacopina, shows up on the scene to take over handling the story and immediately lays out two possible scenarios of how her being drunk could affect it.

One, she`s too blacked out, doesn`t hear somebody breaking into the house. And two, if she was so drunk, could she pull off something like this? He`s trying to hit the reset button on this story and change public perceptions -- Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, well, I got to tell you, "People" magazine had an astounding article where they interviewed the mother and she said some things that are actually quite disturbing to me. Steve Helling, you`re staff writer with "People" magazine, give us the lowdown on your article, which really is filled, riddled with bombshells.

STEVE HELLING, "PEOPLE" (via telephone): Well, yes. Actually, we asked, you know, How much had you drank (SIC), and she didn`t know. She couldn`t tell us. And so we said, Was it more than five glasses of wine? She said yes, it was. And so the reporter said, you know, Is that a problem? I mean, you were drunk. And her answer was, Well, you know, I don`t have any problem with having alone adult time. My baby was sleeping. So it was a really weird answer to give.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Does she admit having any kind of drinking problem? Because my understanding is from some published reports that this wasn`t a one-time-only occurrence, that this has happened before, possibly on a regular basis.

HELLING: Well, no. She was more just trying to explain it away, saying, you know, It was my own time. It didn`t have anything to do with anything, and you know, I don`t remember what happened, but I didn`t do anything wrong. That`s basically her take on the whole thing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I find that kind of shocking, Pat Brown, criminal profiler, the lack of remorse. I`m not saying she did anything untoward to her child, but if she`s had more than five drinks -- she said it`s quite possible, probable that she had more than five drinks -that she has no recall of whether she turned the lights off or not or whether she went back to the baby`s room. And yet she defends this as saying, Oh, there`s nothing wrong with that. I`m having some adult time.

Hello? She`s got three kids, including a helpless baby, a 6-year-old boy and an 8-year-old boy under her care. Look at this baby! We`re looking at video of this baby. This baby is completely, utterly helpless, dependent on an adult caregiver.

How can she say that she doesn`t see anything wrong with getting essentially wasted?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, Jane, that is -- that is concerning that she has no remorse or thinking that she`s done something wrong. And she also has no remorse over the fact that she clearly is telling a different story now. That means she`s either lying before or she`s lying now.

There`s another possibility, that she didn`t get drunk and she`s using this as a defense. And I`d like to know when that 911 call was made

and when the police moved in, was she, you know, trash drunk when they showed up or was she really not that drunk? And is this just something new that is going to be the cover for whatever happened?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you know what? You raise an astounding point that I never thought of until just this second. I wonder if when the 911 call was made, she got on it at all. And was she slurring her words?

Do you know anything about that, Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline? We know that a 911 call was ultimately made, but we do not know, to my understanding, whether she was on the call herself or whether it her husband who had come home from work on the night shift at about 4:00 in the morning?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: So what we understand, that it was her husband who made the phone call. It wasn`t her. And he, in fact, woke her up, according to everything that we learned. He went in the house. He saw the lights were on. He noticed the baby`s door was open. The baby wasn`t there. That`s when he went in and woke her up.

She didn`t even notice this. But from what we heard, it was the husband that called. They`re not going release the 911 call, I guess, until there`s a resolution to this case. But from all reports, he is the only one on the call.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. We have more of the mother`s sound, the mother talking, the mother of this missing child. Let`s hear what she has to say.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you drinking that night?

BRADLEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much?

BRADLEY: Enough to be drunk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you were drunk?

BRADLEY: Uh-huh.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of people are going to say, Deborah, you were drunk that night. Is there any chance you did anything that hurt your daughter that you`re just not telling us?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. No. No. And if I thought there was a chance, I`d say it. No. No. I don`t think that alcohol changes a person enough to do something like that.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s baby Lisa`s mother on NBC`s "Today" show. And again, I want to stress that the police are saying they have no suspects in this case and no persons of interest, so this mother is not a suspect. And we do not want to in any way point the finger at her. We are simply analyzing her words.

And I have to say, as a recovering alcoholic with 16 years of sobriety myself -- and hopefully, knock on wood, if I get to April, I`ll have 17 -I know what blackouts are like. I`ve experienced them. And you do not remember what happened after a certain time.

Oh, I remember I was at the party at 9:30, and I remember dancing, but I don`t remember how I got home. That`s how it works when you`re in a blackout. And I explain that to people because not everybody knows.

Dr. Helen Morrison, forensic psychiatrist and author of "My Life Among the Serial Killers," not everybody knows what a blackout even means. What it means is you`re there but you`re really not there. So when she says, Well, I don`t think alcohol makes you do anything different, it doesn`t change your personality, the fact is, if you`re in a blackout, you don`t know what`s happening, correct?

DR. HELEN MORRISON, FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIST: Absolutely. And what happens is, a blackout basically means that you don`t form memories. You don`t wake up after you`ve had a blackout and say, Oh, I remember what I did. But the people around you will tell you everything that you did. You looked normal. You can act normal. You can do very complex things. And you can also say to yourself, Well, gee, I just don`t remember, and that`s absolutely true. And that memory does not come back.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And I`ll give you a perfect example, and thank God I never did this. But sometimes we get these stories of people driving the wrong way down the freeway. Nobody in their right mind, for their own safety, much less the safety of people around them, would ever drive the wrong way down a freeway.

But when somebody is in a blackout, that`s often when they drive the wrong way down the freeway. And they have no idea what they`re doing because they`re in a blackout. They`re there, but don`t know they`re there.

Woodrow Tripp, former police commander, polygraph expert, one of the reasons why the fixation or the focus, I should say, in the public, anyway, has been on the mother is not because the police have called her a suspect. They have not. She is not considered a suspect. It`s her own words. She has gone out and said that cops told her she failed a polygraph. She`s also said various things about what may have occurred in the interrogation, essentially saying that she was told that she failed when they asked her, Where is your baby? Do you know where your baby is?

So could the blackout issue factor into what she`s saying?

WOODROW TRIP, FMR. POLICE COMMANDER, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: It possibly could. But it wouldn`t cause her to fail a polygraph test. In order to fail it, you have to have memory of what you did. It`s your conscience. And if you can`t remember, then you have no conscience. You have no ability to feel guilty if you`re in this so-called blackout.

So failing a polygraph has to do with the fact that your conscience is bothering you. There is a pathway there in your brain that`s saying, you know, you`re guilty. You`re feeling guilty if you`re failing that test. So blackouts don`t cause that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me just ask you a follow-up on that because she`s not in a blackout at the time she`s taking the polygraph test. She was in a blackout possibly -- well, she says she has no recollection she was drinking. To me, that`s a blackout. But that was the day, the night her child disappeared.

So sometimes, it is possible with a blackout -- and I say I have the dubious honor of being an expert on this issue -- where fragments of information come back to you or you even remember completely what happened several days later. So is that possible? Could that factor in? Shards of memory?

TRIPP: Jane, keep in mind that in her statement or words, she failed the polygraph, meaning that there was deception indicated, in our parlance. That is saying then that she is not telling the truth, or there`s a significant reaction to the questions that are being posed to her.

So if she`s remembering -- well, there`s a contradiction because the whole thing with a blackout is you`re not remembering. So if she is remembering, then that`s what`s causing her to fail in this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`m just wondering if the reason why she changed her timeline from saying that she last saw the child at 10:30 to saying she last put the child to bed at 6:40, a difference of approximately four hours, is connected somehow to the blackout, and maybe some memory came back, or maybe she`s now realizing, Maybe I didn`t see the child at 10:30. Maybe that`s actually when my friend left. And we`re going to get into that on the other side of the break, what she was doing while she was drinking.

Meantime, on a much happier note, it is week five of season 13 of "Dancing With the Stars," and our very own Nancy Grace is dancing for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. You go, Nancy! Look at her moves! Tonight, she`s doing the rumba. So be sure to vote. You can vote multiple times for Nancy and her dancing partner, Tristan MacManus. And everybody here at the NANCY GRACE show says, Good luck, Nancy! You can win this thing! We know you can.

That`s what we`re voting for, Nancy Grace!

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If something happened in the home and you were responsible, then you do know more.

BRADLEY: He said, She`s not in her crib, and I said, What do you mean, she`s not in her crib?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dad comes home at 4:00 AM.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The front door was unlocked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mom told the police that she had gone to that supermarket and made those purchases. There`s nothing strange about that at all.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She dropped a couple of bombshells.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She expects to be arrested because she was the last one with her daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The lights in the house, most of them, are on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She admits she was drinking that night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The front window is open and the screen to the window is pushed in.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in fact, that she was drunk when baby Lisa went missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He comes home at 4:00 AM. He notices that the door is unlocked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She changed her story a bit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He goes to the back room to talk to the mother about it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Originally, she had said the last time she had seen baby Lisa was at 10:30 at night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that`s when he notices that the baby`s room is open.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now she says about 6:30 that same night, creating a four-hour gap.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Goes into the room, notices the baby is missing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He advised that he didn`t witness anything and doesn`t know how long she`s been gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And frantically calls 911.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you drinking that night?

BRADLEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much?

BRADLEY: Enough to be drunk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you were drunk?

BRADLEY: Uh-huh.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of people are going to say, Deborah, you were drunk that night. Is there any chance you didn`t anything that you hurt your daughter that you`re just not telling us?

BRADLEY: No. No. No. And if I thought there was a chance, I`d say it. No. No. I don`t think that alcohol changes a person enough to do something like that.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jane Velez-Mitchell, in for Nancy Grace. You were just hearing from the mother of the missing baby, baby Lisa. Where is she? The mother now admitting she was drunk that night. We caught her on surveillance video buying a box of wine. She admits she probably had more than five drinks and says she has no recall of key events that night. But she is not considered a suspect and not even a person of interest. She maintains that she is completely innocent, although she has lawyered up with a top lawyer, Joe Tacopina.

Let`s go out to the phone lines. Beverly, New York, your question or thought, Beverly?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Hi, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I agree with you. Drinking does make you change. I`ve been there. I`ve done it. But I`m also wondering, the father -- do they know that he stayed at work all night, or could he have left work?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, actually, Jim Spellman, CNN correspondent, I understand that there is surveillance video of the dad actually doing construction work, or electrical work on a construction project. Tell us

about that.

SPELLMAN: We haven`t seen that surveillance tape yet. He was working a night shift, and it was the first time he had ever worked a night shift, renovating a Starbucks overnight. He`s an electrician. So on a normal night, he would have been home here with the children and with the wife. Tonight -- it was Lisa`s mom, Deborah, home alone the night that Lisa disappeared.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And they are maintaining a united front, both baby Lisa`s mother and father. I had read a published report that said that there was surveillance video that provided an alibi for him, showing him doing that electrical work on the Starbucks that was in the process of being renovated that night.

Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline. What do you know about the dog?

TERESZCUK: Well, the family had a dog. The next-door neighbors had a dog. These are big dogs that bark very loudly. But nobody anywhere heard the dogs barking that night. So if there was a stranger that had climbed into the front of the house -- it`s not a very far distance between the front yard and the back yard -- these dogs definitely would have heard this noise. So that sort of raises some suspicion about the story that`s been told.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What about what the mother was doing? Apparently, she was out, Alexis, on the stoop, drinking with her neighbor while the kids were doing what? Tell us all about it.

TERESZCUK: The kids were playing. They were watching movies. And

she and her friend were just sitting on the front porch, as you said. They were having drinks.

And where the discrepancy comes in is now the mom is saying maybe the friend left at 10:30 and that`s not really when she checked on the baby. She just doesn`t know. But she says she went inside. She can`t remember if she turned the lights off or not. The friend actually said she noticed the lights in the house go off. So there are a lot of different stories floating around about this family.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, especially because when the dad comes home after working the night shift, the lights are on, one of the reasons that he becomes alarmed and wakes up his wife and they have a brief conversation.

And when we come back, we`re going to talk about how she jumps out of bed when he wonders what`s going on.

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GRACE: Ten-month-old baby Lisa allegedly snatched out of her own crib just feet away from her mother as they lay sleeping. Mommy caught on surveillance video just hours before baby Lisa goes missing buying baby food, baby wipes and a box of wine. My question is, where was the baby at that time?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He knows his screen is busted and his 10month- old daughter is missing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m always concerned when someone comes into the home and takes the baby while one of the parents or caregivers are there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is the baby?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are FBI agents walking up and down the neighborhood here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maybe there`s something we didn`t see the first time we searched it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`ve been going literally inch by inch down here amongst these plants and vines.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The more time that goes by, the outcome is just not going to be good.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Who last saw the baby alive?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lisa, we love you!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Love you!

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s Jane Velez-Mitchell, filling in for Nancy Grace tonight. We`ve breaking news in the case of this beautiful child, missing since early October, the mother now changing her story and saying she last saw the child at about 6:40 PM. She had originally said she last saw the child at about 10:30 PM.

She is also admitting that she was drunk that night, drinking probably more than five glasses of wine as she sat out on the stoop with her neighbor with her child inside in the crib, purportedly, as well as a 6year-old boy and an 8-year-old boy inside the house, watching a movie, is what some published reports say.

I want to go out to Dr. Tamara Kuittinen (ph), an emergency room physician. What are the dangers of drinking that much alcohol while you have three kids, one of whom is only 10 months old?

DR. TAMARA KUITTINEN, EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIAN: Hi. Good evening, Jane. You know, we all have a glass of wine from time to time just to relax at the end of the day.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Not me.

KUITTINEN: Well, most of us do, or some of us do -- and just as a way to unwind. And alcohol is a depressant and a sedative. And as such, it has activity on the neurological system. So it can be relaxing, but it also -- with that, you get slurred speech, you get impaired walking

ability, impaired judgment, slowed responses, and at extreme, you can have impaired memory, as in this case, as well as impaired neurologic function.

So you know, it`s interesting to me that someone with three small children in the house would drink so much where it could affect them.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And it`s interesting because she says -- the mother -- it doesn`t explain anything because they had nothing to do or that had nothing to do with anything. And when asked if she was concerned she might be drunk with her infant daughter inside, she reportedly said, Oh, the child was sleeping. I don`t have a problem with me having adult time. Now, is that adult time, drinking, chug-alugging alcohol, when you`ve got this precious helpless child in a crib inside?

More when we come right back.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The only thing we know is that this 10-monthold belongs in this house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the baby`s mother, Deborah Bradley, was the last person to see Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Someone suggested they check the old well or cistern. Firefighters went down into the well about 30 feet deep. No sign of 11-month-old Lisa Irwin.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The Lisa Irwin story.

BRADLEY: Please, please, please.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The baby`s mother Deborah Bradley dropped a couple of bombshells.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s zero, zero doubt in Deborah.

BRADLEY: Call the tips hotline.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She admits she was drinking that night.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She is admitting she was drunk.

BRADLEY: If you know where she`s at.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The night her daughter disappeared.

BRADLEY: I can`t live without her.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What she`s revealing could change some things.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She changed her story a bit.

BRADLEY: Please bring her home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Originally she had said the last time she had seen baby Lisa was at 10:30 at night.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: When she put her daughter to bed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now she says 6:30 that same night.

BRADLEY: I`m terrified but I`m trying to be hopeful.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Creating a four-hour gap.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The main priority is finding this child.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She expects to be arrested.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it`s a bit of a stretch right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So still a mystery two weeks after baby Lisa`s disappearance.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Were you drinking that night?

BRADLEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: How much?

BRADLEY: Enough to be drunk.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: So you were drunk?

BRADLEY: Mm-hmm.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A lot of people are going to say, Deborah, you were drunk that night, is there any chance you did anything that hurt your daughter that you`re just not telling us?

BRADLEY: No, no, no. And if I thought there was a chance I`d say it. No, no. I don`t think that alcohol changes a person enough to do something like that.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening, Jane Velez-Mitchell in for Nancy Grace.

What happened to this precious child? You`re looking at right there. Where is baby Lisa? She disappeared, simply vanished out of her Kansas City, Missouri home. The mother was there but now she admits she was drunk. That she had at least five glasses of wine. She has also changed her timeline, saying that she last checked on the child at 6:40 p.m. not 10:30 p.m.

I want to bring in the lawyers, Bradford Cohen and Lauren Lake.

Lauren, the mother says she doesn`t want to allow cops to reinterview the two older children who were in the house when this all happened. The 6-year-old boy and the 8-year-old boy, and says she`s never even talked to them about what happened.

What do you make of that?

LAUREN LAKE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, of course -- of course, the young boys are traumatized, I`m sure and she`s protecting her children as she rightfully should and now that they have a lawyer they need to discuss those kinds of things with the lawyer and make sure that those children are not brought under the same type of premature scrutiny that these parents have been brought under. They are not suspects. None of them at this time.

BRADFORD COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The bigger issue that you have when you interview --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, they`re not suspects, but, but, but, but there`s a missing child.

LAKE: We understand that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: There`s a missing baby. And this mother says she wants to do everything in her power to find the child. So why not allow the cops to talk to the 6-year-old boy and the 8-year-old boy who apparently heard noise but they are not sure whether it was before or after they all went to sleep -- Brad.

COHEN: The problem that you have when you interview -- when you interview young children is they`re very impressionable. So their story could change over time not purposefully but accidentally if they listen to the TV, if they listen to other adults. So the first interview that you get is usually the most reliable interview, interviews that follow after that you don`t want them to be influenced by outside factors.

So I think it`s extremely smart of the lawyer not to have them reinterviewed and extremely smart of the mother not have them reinterviewed so that their story doesn`t get mixed up and they actually hurt the case rather than help finding this baby Lisa.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you find, Lauren, it odd that at the very same time that the lawyer, Joe Tacopina, a very high-profile lawyer, enters the case now the mother is changing her timeline. The child disappeared in early October. And now at the same time as she`s lawyered up, she is changing her timeline.

LAKE: I know people want to completely villainize this woman because she did things that we think are irresponsible, maybe immoral.

Drinking too much while you have small children in the house. However, I feel like once you get an attorney, this is what attorneys are for. We give voice to those people that cannot speak for themselves or speak for themselves in a manner that harms themselves more than help them.

Now that she has a lawyer she can tell her full story. She can say what she was scared to say in the beginning, which she might have been too drunk to remember in the beginning, she can lay it all out with her lawyer and her lawyer can then represent her. It doesn`t surprise me nor worry me. This woman is under a lot of stress.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And again, police are not calling her a suspect and neither are we. We just want to find this child and we`re asking some tough questions but we`re not presuming anything. We hope that this child is found safe and sound. And when you see the video of the little girl it just breaks your heart.

I mean look at this precious, adorable, adorable child so helpless and so trusting.

Charmaine, Mississippi. We`re going to go to the phone lines now.

Charmaine, your question or thought.

CHARMAINE, CALLER FROM MISSISSIPPI: Hi.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: From Mississippi. Hi.

CHARMAINE: Hi. Well, in the beginning none of the family members reported that the mother was a drinker. The father appears to be numbed. Now that she has an attorney all of a sudden there`s this hastily prepared statement about her drinking. It just doesn`t seem to add up. And when she cries, I don`t see any tears, it remind me of Susan Smith. It just --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, wait, wait, wait. I`ve got -- I`ve got to disagree with you right there. We`re looking at video of her right there and I`m saying her face wet with tears. Wet with tears.

Steve Helling, staff writer for "People" magazine, your magazine interviewed this woman. One thing I will say when she`s crying it looks for real.

STEVE HELLING, STAFF WRITER, PEOPLE MAGAZINE: It does. And you know we always have to be careful about pointing the finger too quickly because, you know, back a few years ago when Jessica Lunsford disappeared from her bed, you know, people pointed the finger at her family and come to find out that a psychopath from across the street had done it. So we`ve always got to be careful about it. But the fact does remain --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely.

HELLING: -- that there are some things that just don`t add up.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. There are some things that just don`t add up and maybe it`s because she was drunk, when you`re drunk you don`t remember and you can actually do things to implicate yourself even if you`re innocent.

I mean, she may have simply had too much to drink and passed out, and as she and her husband maintained somebody did possibly break in through that window, turn on all the lights and take the child and walk out the front door, which is why when this guy came home and he sees the lights on, and everything is sort of in a bizarre state, he talks to his wife, wakes her up, and at one point, Jim Spellman, the way it`s described she literally -- she`s having a conversation with her husband and then he says something and she jumps out of the bed like realizing something is wrong.

What can you tell us about that, Jim?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That`s right. The father comes home after working this unusual midnight, finds lights on, some cell phones missing, wakes her up and suddenly she`s alarmed. They check and they immediately call the police.

But you know I wanted to touch on something that I thought was really interesting. If now it`s 6:40 is the last time she saw baby Lisa we`re not sure what time the father went to work. If he worked an eight-hour shift he could well have been home the last time she saw him which could really change the complexity of the investigation. That`s something we`re going to track down here in (INAUDIBLE), something investigators are working on here, too, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Jim, wasn`t this the very first time, the very first time he worked that overnight shift? It wasn`t like a normal thing for him to do that, right?

SPELLMAN: Correct. This is the very first time. It was a special overnight renovation of a Starbucks. He`s an electrician. Not the usual

norm here at the house.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And I want to go back to this whole drinking issue. And again, I`m not pointing the finger as much as sharing my experience and what I know about it as a recovering alcoholic with 16plus years of sobriety, 17 hopefully if I make it to April one day at a time.

When asked if she has a drinking problem the mother says she doesn`t think so. She says she takes care of her kids, she keeps her house clean, does the laundry, kisses their boo-boos. She doesn`t see what`s wrong with her doing what she wants to do after they`re in bed. Well, if this doesn`t show you that that`s a very simplistic attitude, I don`t know what does.

Just out of curiosity I picked up the 20 questions that they have in 12 step to try to determine whether or not you have a problem and here`s just a couple that might apply.

Is drinking making your home life unhappy? Well, I would certainly say in that -- in this case that might be a yes. Is drinking affecting your reputation? Have you ever felt remorse after drinking? Does your drinking make you careless of your family`s welfare? Do you crave a drink at a definite time daily? Have you ever had a complete loss of memory as a result of your drinking?

Helen Morrison, forensic psychiatrist, your thoughts?

HELEN MORRISON, FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIST: Well, I think basically that there is a myth that if you have blackouts you are an alcoholic. Often blackouts come with binge drinking. But there`s a very

interesting point to this. There have been cases in which people have claimed because they`ve had a blackout that they are not responsible for the crimes that they commit.

Blackouts don`t mean that your stumbling around, slurring your speech. You can appear completely normal.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow. Well, thank you for that analysis, forensic psychiatrist, Dr. Morrison.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Two weeks now. No one knows where baby Lisa is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where is the baby? Seriously where is the baby?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One person that was there that night, the last person to see her --

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The baby`s mother.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She is admitting she was drunk the night her daughter disappears.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She also says she expects to be arrested.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If something happened in the home and you were responsible then you do know more.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did she or did she not fail a polygraph?

NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Mommy says she`s taking a polygraph and she`s afraid she failed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This whole focus is about her.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The FBI and police are stumped on this one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Going in all directions, no doubt about it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody is sleeping.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These folks have been up around the clock.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The main priority is finding this child.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But no sign of Lisa was found.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Still a mystery two weeks after baby Lisa disappeared.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jane Velez-Mitchell in for Nancy Grace.

Where is baby Lisa? The mystery complicated tonight by shocking new revelations that the mother admits she was drunk the night her child simply vanished into thin air. She doesn`t recall. A lot of key aspects of what happened that night.

Did she turn off the lights? Did she check on her baby? She doesn`t remember. She was quite possibly and I would say definitely if she`s saying she was drinking and doesn`t remember, let`s say possibly. In a blackout.

All right. So, again, we`re not saying she`s a suspect, cops are not calling her a suspect, maybe that she just drank too much and passed

out and somebody else took the child. We`re trying to figure it out.

I want to discuss with Woodrow Tripp, former police commander and polygraph expert, the mother says during questioning by cops they showed her burnt clothes and they also showed her a, quote, "Doppler things with pings from my cell phone," which of course her cell phones disappeared in the midst of all this.

What do you make of that? Because she later said that she learned that all of that stuff was fake.

WOODY TRIPP, FORMER POLICE COMMANDER, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Well, certainly, Jane, you know, the courts have said, we can use lying, trickery when it comes to interviewing suspects. In this case you use extraordinary circumstances because of the fact that we`re talking about a baby here.

That`s -- again, that`s her side saying that it was all a hoax or all made up. I haven`t heard anyone from law enforcement say that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, law enforcement isn`t saying anything. And I want to go back to the lawyers, Brad Cohen and Lauren Lake.

Brad, we`re not pointing the finger at the mother. We don`t know what happened. But the mother seems to be bringing focus on herself by saying things like cops told me I failed the polygraph. I fear that`s I`m going to be arrested. She seems to be kind of putting the focus on herself.

COHEN: Yes, I agree with that. I really think that she lawyered up at

the right time. I mean people really don`t understand how things work when it comes to the press and high-profile cases and the things that you say that can be turned around or the things that you say that may be used against you later on.

It`s very, very important, even when you have no conscience whatsoever about any kind of guilt, you get a lawyer. Everyone thinks that you hire a lawyer it makes you look guilty. No. You hire a lawyer because it helps you along your case. It may help the investigation. He`ll be able to sort through the facts and the information that`s there to issue a more coherent statement to the police.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Carol -- we`re going to go to the phone lines. Carol in California -- your question or thought, Carol.

CAROL, CALLER FROM CALIFORNIA: Hi, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.

CAROL: I was wondering, do you think that the mother could now be saying she was drunk just to give herself a little more leeway after all because she was the mother in the home? You mentioned all the bizarre things that took place that night, and, Jane, just think about either a homeless man or a kidnapper going into that house, taking baby Lisa, looking around for the cell phones, actually finding cell phones, and walking out the front door with the baby and their cell phones. That does not make sense.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, RadarOnline, they actually interviewed a homeless man who I believe goes by the name Jersey and I understand that they`ve eliminated him as a

suspect.

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: They were looking for the man named Jersey as the nickname for almost two weeks. He`s somebody who`s been spotted around neighborhood. He was riding a bike. They were thinking that perhaps he would have seen something. So they finally arrested him. It was on outstanding warrants. Nothing to do with this case. The police spoke with him and they have ruled him out as having to anything to do with this.

They were hoping that he would know something especially because he`d been spotted in abandoned houses around the house that Lisa lived in and in these houses one other thing that was found recently was a backpack that had dirty diapers in it. So the police were thinking perhaps this would be something else.

But they said they haven`t tested it yet but they don`t expect it has something to do with this, which seems a little strange but they say that that not unusual to find dirty diapers in abandoned houses. Seems a little bit too close to home but that`s what the police say.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, it does seem odd but that they tested it and found out that this was very old stuff.

I want to go back to our doctor, Tamara Kuittinen. You`re an emergency room physician. What do you know about blackouts and how they lasted? Again, I`ve experienced it where I remember things days or even weeks later. What is that when shards of memory come back? And could that be operative in this case?

DR. TAMARA KUITTINEN, EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIAN: You know,

that`s really interesting. And as you pointed out we typically think about blackouts occurring with alcoholics. When in fact, we -- as someone mentioned before, we actually see them with binge drinkers. And binge drinking is when you have -- for a man -- five drinks within two hours, or a woman, four drinks within two hours.

You get your alcohol level really high and you have -- some people have a blackout. So you don`t remember what you did and as it`s been stated before, you may behave normally, respond normally but have no recollection. Now some people remember later some details. Other people will remember nothing. And there`s no predicting who`s going to remember what.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jim Spellman, police according to some published reports have removed bags of evidence from the home of the neighbor who was allegedly drinking with the mother at the time that the child disappeared or around the time that night. What do you know?

SPELLMAN: Yes, this afternoon they did another search of the home here and the area. They had dogs out. And the dogs were in that area, police tell us that was in evidence, that what they were bringing out was materials related to the dog search. We understand that sometimes they take materials that have scents out of -- out of homes or something that they fear may be a crime scene so that the dogs can use that on later searches.

We`re not sure that that`s exactly what it was but police tells us it was something related to the dog search, not evidence, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Lauren Lake, defense attorney. Do you think the cops should be more talkative at this point? They have not said very much of anything except at one point to accuse the parents of not cooperating, which was retracted after the parents came back in and

started talking again, they said they were just burnt out from the whole thing.

LAKE: You know what, I appreciate the fact that they`re keeping quiet and not getting on television every other day and just increasing the scrutiny against these parents. It started off all ramped up in terms of who are these parents, the mother is drinking. We need to calm things down and focus on the fact that there`s a young baby missing and there are people all over that neighborhood that could have maybe come into that house and dogs would not have barked because they may have been familiar.

Get to the crux of the case, find evidence, find the suspect and leave these parents alone to find their child until you have evidence against them.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The police dispatch tapes from the moment police first got a call about Lisa disappearing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Report of a residential burglary in progress.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And his 10-month-old daughter is missing.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: That call initiates the intense search for Lisa Irwin.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, GUEST HOST: Breaking news tonight out of America`s heartland in the search for a 10-month-old girl who vanishes from her own crib in the dead of night. Her dad works the night shift, then comes home to find baby Lisa gone. The last person to see her alive, her own mother. After baby Lisa`s mom admits she was drunk, blacking out the night baby Lisa disappears, Mommy then changes her story. The last time she sees her baby is now 6:40 PM, not 10:30 PM.

In another bombshell development tonight, cops confirm baby Lisa`s parents are now refusing to fully cooperate, not answering key questions that could solve the disappearance of the 10-month-old. The mother and father have been avoiding cops for 10 days, and it`s all as they lawyer up.

Also, in the last hours, FBI, cops, search dogs and real-life CSI swarm a heavily wooded area just a half mile from baby Lisa`s home. What do they know? And it`s all as investigators chase down an alleged sighting of baby Lisa at a deli, of all places. Tonight, what happened to baby Lisa?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Look at this picture.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER: Please! Bring her home!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first scenario that investigators are looking at is a stranger breaking into the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s like they just walked in and just disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How would somebody get out of the house with baby Lisa?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The baby`s mother, Deborah Bradley.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) pointed (INAUDIBLE) finger (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She changed her story a bit.

BRADLEY: Please bring her home!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Originally, she had said the last time she had seen baby Lisa was at 10:30 at night when she put her daughter to bed.

BRADLEY: We`re going to pray!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s out there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a huge difference between 6:40 in the

evening.

BRADLEY: She`s going to home come!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Deborah Bradley revealed that she was drinking that night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Only hours before baby Lisa was reportedly abducted, Mommy...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was sitting right here on this stoop with the neighbor.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She is admitting she was drunk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That she, in fact, was drunk and maybe even had blacked out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say that they actually have not been that cooperative. They say the parents haven`t talked with them since the first week of October and that the mother isn`t explaining inconsistencies in her story.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you drinking that night?

BRADLEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much?

BRADLEY: Enough to be drunk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you were drunk?

BRADLEY: Uh-huh.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of people are going to say, Deborah, you were drunk that night. Is there any chance you did anything that hurt your daughter that you`re just not telling us?

BRADLEY: No. No. No. And if I thought there was a chance, I`d say it. No. No. I don`t think that alcohol changes a person enough to do something like that.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, in tonight for Nancy Grace. More bombshell developments in the search for 10month- old baby Lisa, reported missing from her own crib.

Straight out to CNN correspondent Jim Spellman, live on the scene in Kansas City, Missouri. Jim, I understand that we`ve got some breaking news that cop cars have been spotted outside the missing baby`s family home?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That`s right, Jane. For about

the last two hours, police cars have been here in front of the missing baby Lisa`s home, sometimes two cars, sometimes three cars, one or two parked in the front, one parked in the back, down the driveway. We`re not sure what they`re here doing, but they`ve been here for the last couple hours. Haven`t really seen them here for the last two or so days.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, are they just sitting in their cop cars and just sort of sitting there, or are they walking around, sniffing around? Are they talking to people?

SPELLMAN: We`ve seen one or two officers get out and walk to the back of the house, and then they come back in. Then another car will pull up and one care will leave and another one will stay.

Very difficult to tell what`s going on. And obviously, they`re not letting us know here on site exactly what they are doing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Paul Penzone, given everything, given this brewing battle between the parents and their attorney versus the cops, what do you make of the fact that cop cars have now pulled up outside the family`s home, Paul Penzone, former sergeant, Phoenix PD?

PAUL PENZONE, FMR. SGT., PHOENIX PD: I`m wondering if maybe they obtained another search warrant, went back to look for more evidence. The fact that they have marked police cars is normally to secure a scene because the detectives are normally going to be in plainclothes. So that`s the only thing I can speculate right now. They`re going back to look for more information or to conduct additional interviews, if, in fact, the parents are going to be cooperative.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, they`re not being cooperative, according to cops. I mean, according to cops, the last unrestricted conversation they had with the parents was back on October 6th. The child disappeared on October 3rd, OK? We`re talking -- if she is hysterical, crying hysterically, as she has been seen crying hysterically -- the mother I`m talking about -- then why is it that she is not talking to cops?

Why is it that cops are having trouble now reaching the parents? Why is it that reports indicate that the parents said they couldn`t talk to cops because they were going to do a TV interview?

Marc Klaas, you`re the president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. I would think that this mother, who is hysterical and says she will do anything to find this beautiful, precious, helpless child, would want to sit down and subject herself to anything that cops have to offer.

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION (via telephone): Well, Jane, thanks for having me on. And I couldn`t agree with you more. I think you put your finger on the real issue here. Obviously, the recovery of baby Lisa is not the number one priority of her parents.

They won`t let their other children be reinterviewed because they don`t want them to be traumatized. That`s certainly not putting baby Lisa first. They`re not talking to the police. That`s certainly not putting baby Lisa first. They`ve hired a lawyer to represent their own interests. That`s certainly not putting baby Lisa first.

This is becoming very troubling. They`re making horrible decisions and terrible choices as this case moves forward, and it`s not making them

look any better at all.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, psychotherapist Leslie Austin, you have a mother who`s weeping and crying and saying, I want to help my baby, I want to find my baby. Then we hear quite a few days later -- now we hear, oh, she`s been drinking. She was drinking the night that her child disappeared. She had more than five glasses of wine.

We`ve also learned that she was on anti-anxiety meds, according to published reports, which experts in addiction say, hey, you take one and you add anti-anxiety meds, that`s like super-charging the wine. It`s like almost doubling the intoxication.

And now we`re hearing that, wow, she`s -- she`s not saying that she saw the child at 10:30, now she`s saying she put the child to sleep at 6:40 PM, and then was drinking on the stoop with her neighbor. And she can`t remember whether or not she saw the child at 10:30. These are inconsistencies.

What do you make of how the mother is conducting herself?

LESLIE AUSTIN, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, there`s a very fine balance to be struck here between wanting to do absolutely everything to find baby Lisa and us turning into a lynch mob without evidence of proven guilt.

I think that she made some very stupid, irresponsible choices by drinking when she`s home alone with the baby. That`s not intelligent. Most people do that, unfortunately, and they get away with it. And something happened here. We don`t know that she actually harmed the baby.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Leslie, Leslie, Leslie...

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Here`s what disturbs me. I`m not saying she`s a suspect. I`m not saying she`s responsible.

AUSTIN: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But given that her child is missing, I find it extraordinary that she says that she doesn`t have any problem with having a few drinks while her -- while she`s watching the kids, saying, Well, it`s OK to have some adult time. It`s shocking that she would make that statement...

AUSTIN: It is.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... in light of the fact that her child is missing!

AUSTIN: I couldn`t agree with you more. It`s stupid. It`s shocking. It`s irresponsible. It`s bad parenting. And to her credit, at least she finally admitted it openly and came out with it and went public with it, which totally leads me to believe that she may not be totally guilt here.

She has a little bit of credibility for allowing herself to look really bad and `fessing up early on, when nobody else might have known. So it`s a very dicey situation here. She`s irresponsible. They`re making bad

decisions with the police. And we don`t have any solid proof that even though she`s looking irresponsible and bad that she`s guilty of a crime yet.

I do hope that they talk more with the police, though. I really do because it`s the only way we`ll find that baby.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, according to published reports, citing the cops, they are not.

And I want to bring in the attorneys, Ray Giudice, defense attorney, Remi Spencer, defense attorney. Listen, I`ll just give you the recap here and I want your analysis. And maybe we`ll start with ray.

OK, the last -- the child disappears October 3rd. The last unrestricted interview, October 6th. Then on October 8th, mom reportedly stops the questioning. And she`s invited on any time. If you don`t think we`re getting it right, lady, come on. We`ll talk to you. We`ll get your side of the story. We want to be fair here. We want to get both sides.

But this is what they`re saying. The last unrestricted chat with the parents was October 6th. The last time that they really talked to her was October 8th, at which point she becomes uncomfortable and stops the questioning, Ray. Why?

RAYMOND GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Jane, Jane, forget the idea that the legal process starts at the time of an arrest or an indictment. In today`s 24/7 cable world, the legal defense starts moments after the initial questioning by the police, when it becomes adversarial, when they start accusing, when they start trying to set up conflicting statements between the parents and repetitive statements.

It is game on for these folks. They have not only done the right thing in hiring excellent nationally-known counsel, but they might also want to consider hiring separate counsel so they can each defend themselves.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Remi Spencer, to Ray`s point, Lisa`s dad has really insisted that the mother be present during the interviews. Now, some might say, Well, that`s because they want to make sure they keep their stories consistent with each other, even though they have -even within their own comments made inconsistent statements.

REMI SPENCER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: If we want to rush to judgment and convict these people based on rumor and innuendo, we could Congress say that. But who are we to judge how a husband and wife, parents of a missing child would react?

I think it`s reasonable that the parents would want the love and support of each other while they`re being questioned by the police, while no doubt they are aware that they are naturally suspects by virtue of being this child`s parents. I think that we cannot sit in judgment before we see some evidence connecting them to the disappearance of this child. It`s normal to suspect...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joe Gomez, we`re not -- we`re not sitting in judgment, but we`re wondering why sources are telling "The Kansas City Star" that cops have been unable to ask the mom about inconsistencies in her timeline. Wouldn`t she want to clarify that for police?

JOE GOMEZ, KTRH RADIO: One would think, Jane. I mean, if your baby was missing (INAUDIBLE) 11-month-old baby girl was missing

now for something going on 12, 13 days, wouldn`t you do everything in your power to talk to police to find her?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`d say, Torture me! Go ahead, string me up and torture me! That`s what I`d say. I`d say, Make me walk on hot coals. I`d say, Take my pinky, do whatever you have to do to find that child.

But again, the cops are not saying that these people are suspects. The mother says she was asleep. She was woken up by her husband and he says, Hey, why are the lights on, honey? Why`s the front door open? Why is the window open? And then she jumps out of bed and says, What? And next thing you know, they realize that this precious infant is gone, missing into thin air. Where did baby Lisa go? Why can`t anybody find her even though...

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The police dispatch tapes...

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... we have armies...

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... first got a call about Lisa disappearing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Residential burglary in progress on (DELETED)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And his 10-month-old daughter is missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That call initiates the intense search for Lisa Irwin.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The FBI told me, Look, we are going full speed ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re still full steam ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That call initiates the intense search for Lisa Irwin.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police bought out ATVs and search dogs.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police wanting to be sure that they haven`t missed anything in this whole area.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say that they actually have not been that cooperative.

BRADLEY: I`m terrified! But I`m trying to be hopeful!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They say the parents haven`t talked with them since the first week of October.

BRADLEY: Please bring her home!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Very consistent in her demeanor. I mean, every time she`s interviewed, she breaks down.

BRADLEY: Please! Please! Please! I can`t be without her!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She admits she probably had more than five drinks.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She has no remorse or thinking that she`s done something wrong.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That is what makes me so sad.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Eleven-month-old babies don`t just walk away from their home.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Look at this precious child. Where is she tonight?

Now, we are learning that there are cops outside the family home and have been there for a couple of hours. What does it mean? We can tell you that the mother and father, while not considered suspects or persons of interest, according to the cops, have lawyered up. They have a famous attorney, Joe Tacopina, who is known most famously as the attorney, the American attorney for Joran Van Der Sloot, of course, the suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.

Now, he has taken to the airwaves and was on "GMA" this morning saying, no, the mother`s story is not inconsistent when she originally said, according to published reports, that she last saw the child at 10:30 and now she`s saying she put the child in the crib at 6:40 PM.

Let`s listen to the top flight-attorney Joe Tacopina, and then we`re going to analyze it.

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JOE TACOPINA, ATTORNEY FOR PARENTS: There`s not a four-hour gap. There`s not because what she said was she puts the baby to bed at around 6:30. At one point, during one of the 13 hours of interview, she had said she believed she checked on her at 10:30. It`s not an inconsistency. It may be a recollection refreshed at some later point, but it`s not material to whether or not she had anything to do with the disappearance of her baby. Other witnesses were there that fixed the timelines.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Joe Gomez, reporter, KTRH News Radio, I

could see a faulty recollection -- a lot of times, I don`t know where I put my keys, a lot of times I don`t know where I left my glasses or my iPhone -- but we`re talking about a baby here. Do you buy Joe Tacopina`s explanation on "GMA"?

GOMEZ: Well, Jane, let`s say Mommy did have a full box of wine. Perhaps she didn`t know at what point or where she put the baby and she didn`t, in fact, consume all that alcohol. I mean, that could be a valid point there.

But still, your 10-month-old baby girl -- I mean, you`re right! It`s not like you`re misplacing your remote control! You would surely know when and where you put your daughter at! And now that she went missing, I don`t know. Does it sound to you like she`s going into damage control, Jane, that she`s trying to rein in what happened, trying to get some kind of a grip on this thing that`s just escalating out of control now?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me say this. The parents say they`re completely innocent, and they deserve the presumption of innocence. They say that an intruder, they believe, broke in to the window, through the window and then somehow flipped on all the lights, took their cell phones. They had approximately three cell phones -- took them and took the baby.

So I want to go out to Dr. Zhongxue Hua, who is also a DNA expert. If an intruder had come in and snatched the baby out of the crib, would there be DNA possibly? Would there be forensics on the door, on the tampered window, in the room? What would the police find?

DR. ZHONGXUE HUA, UNION CTY., NJ, CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER: If they would not wear any gloves, you would certainly expect fingerprints, body fluid, DNA evidence along the way (INAUDIBLE)

from -- starting from the window area all the way in near the baby crib area, and also on the way out. You should expect lots of DNA and fingerprints left behind.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, of course, there`s always an answer for everything, Doctor. You`d say, Well, maybe this person`s so smart that they decide to put on gloves. So would there be anything there if they were wearing some kind of a rubber glove?

HUA: Yes. I mean, some rubber glove have (INAUDIBLE) you can easily detect that. Even you wear gloves and when someone come in, sometime hair can falling off a lot. I mean, you can hair falling from the hair (SIC) can falling off. You can collect microscopic evidence. It`s really depend how detail, how extensive the scene was worked on.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Alexis Tereszcuk, Radaronline, what are you hearing tonight?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: Well, you know, the one thing that we were -- you were talking about the cell phones. Apparently, the police have said that there was a phone call made from one of the cell phones at 2:30 in the morning. But the parents are saying, oh, they didn`t have outgoing calls. So there`s a huge inconsistency just with the cell phones alone, which cops are definitely wanting the talk to them more about, but they can`t because they`re refusing. So they`re really stuck between a rock and a hard place. They need information from this family, and they are not getting it.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The timeline she had previously said that she last saw the baby at 10:30...

BRADLEY: Get her ready for bed and give her her bottle, made sure her binkie was in her crib in case she needed it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now she says 6:40 in the evening was the last time that she saw baby Lisa.

BRADLEY: I`m terrified, but I`m trying to be hopeful!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And maybe more importantly, she said that she was drinking that night.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: I`d like to find out how much of that big honkin` box of wine the mom bought was recovered.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in fact, she may have been drunk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They decided to stop talking to detectives.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, there are miracles, and hopefully, this will be one of them.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jane Velez-Mitchell, in for Nancy Grace tonight. Where is this precious child? Baby Lisa disappeared from her home in Kansas City, Missouri, October 3rd. And now a war of sorts has developed between the family, her mother and father, who are lawyered up with a prominent attorney, and cops. A little bit of finger pointing going in either direction. We also have a possible sighting, which we`re going to tell you about in a moment.

But first, some very patient callers. So let`s go to the phones. Kim, Illinois. Your question or thought, Kim.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good evening, Jane. So happy to talk to you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi there. Right back at you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s actually three things that are going through my mind. One, they saw the mother in the store with, I guess, her brother. And I was wondering where the baby was.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two, do they -- what is the background on the brother? And three, what about the neighbor that said she was over there and at one point had seen her turn the lights out?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline, what do we know about the brother and the neighbor?

TERESZCUK: So the brother, as of what we know right now, does not

have a record. She asked about who was with the baby. Actually, Lisa`s father had not left for work yet, so he was at home with baby Lisa. Then the mom came back with the wine. The dad left for work, for his very first overnight shift, and that`s when she sat on the front porch steps and drank all the wine with her neighbor.

Then the neighbor left about 10:30. Now, she didn`t see Lisa (SIC) turn out the lights, but she said she thought she remembered the lights in the home being turned off. So there are a few discrepancies there. But the baby was with her father before he went to work.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And when did the brother leave?

TERESZCUK: He actually didn`t ever go to the house, is what we understand. He was just with her in the store shopping for the wine.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jim Spellman, CNN correspondent, you are outside the home, I understand. Police are there. What about this possible sighting?

SPELLING: Yes, Manhattan, Kansas, 120 miles to the west of here. What happened was two women in their 20s with a baby were in a deli. They ordered food and never ate it and left. That raised suspicions. We know the manager has given credit card information to the police. They are tracking that down right now.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: We don`t know what type of crime has been committed.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The search for a missing baby, Lisa Irwin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And they went through a wooded area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Inch by inch.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dozens of massive searches.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No closer to finding baby Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Inconsistencies in the mother`s story.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Profoundly troubling.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When she says she put the baby down --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She might have been too drunk to remember.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When she last saw the baby.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MISSING 10-MONTH-OLD INFANT`S MOTHER: What is going on? Where is she at? Why is she gone?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No one knows where baby Lisa is.

BRADLEY: Try to think of anything or anyone or any reason this might have happened. We still haven`t.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The baby`s gone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say the parents have not been that cooperative.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police want to speak with them.

JEREMY IRWIN, MISSING 10-MONTH-OLD INFANT`S FATHER: Did they find her yet?

BRADLEY: Just please bring her home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No new clues in this troubling case.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jane Velez-Mitchell in for Nancy Grace tonight. We are talking about this precious child who disappeared October 3rd. Where is baby Lisa? We are doing everything we can to analyze this situation and find her. So many fast and furious developments. We are being told now that cop cars are outside the home of the missing child`s family and we are also told that there was a possible sighting

of this child or some child that appears to resemble this child, about 100 miles west of Kansas City, and cops are checking on that.

And we also have sort of a battle of words between the family, their attorney and the cops.

Joe Gomez, reporter, KTRH Newsradio. What is the contentious issue or issues between the family and the police?

JOE GOMEZ, REPORTER, KTRH RADIO: Well, right now, Jane, I believe that police or the family saying that the police are being very -they`re trying to pin it on them. I think the mother is afraid that perhaps she may be arrested. The only suspect they have in the case -- even the police say they haven`t named any suspects -- are the parents because the mother was the last person that saw baby Lisa.

We know that she had admitted to downing a good portion of a box of wine. She even said she possibly blacked out that night. That she -the last night that she had seen baby Lisa now for about 6:40 anywhere up to 10:30 at night. We know that had happened. We know that she`s lawyered up. We know they`re not talking to police anymore. It`s been nearly 10 days since they`ve spoken with police.

Now cop cars are outside the home that they`re staying at, Jane. This case, this case is quickly having some very strange turns to it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. And I want to go to Marc Klaas, president and founder of KlaasKids Foundation. Nobody knows more about the patterns of missing children cases than Marc Klaas.

Marc, I was speaking to Marcia Clark earlier this evening, she`s the famous prosecutor from the O.J. Simpson case, and she actually said that she can understand why the parents aren`t talking to cops if, as some published reports claim, they almost immediately accused her of being involved and this is not being confirmed by any anybody but published reports that made these claims, some of them anyway.

Do you think that sometimes there are cases where parents can say, hey, I got to protect myself? I got to be careful what I say and I don`t want to say anything?

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, Jane, I`m sure that`s a possibility. And I`d like to be really clear. I have been through what these parents are going through and I`ve dealt with hundreds of families that have been through what these parents are going through.

And I can tell you certain things. Number one, the truth is consistent. The truth doesn`t change. And if your story starts shifting here, there and some place else, then you`re hiding something. And I`m not saying for one moment that these parents are guilty of the disappearance of their daughter.

But they`re not coming nearly as -- they`re not being nearly as forthcoming as they need to be and they have to realize that 82 percent of all abductions involve a family member. Therefore, the family members have to eliminate themselves. And this whole idea that the cops have to pin it on somebody I think is from television, quite frankly.

That`s not how law enforcement works in this country. Particularly with the backing of the FBI in this case. And in so many other cases. They`re trying to get to a fundamental truth. What happened to baby

Lisa and where is baby Lisa? And the shortest path to that truth is through the parents.

And this whole idea that she can shift her story for four hours from the time that she said she last saw her until the time that she really last saw her totally, totally messes up the timeline. It changes absolutely --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, except for one thing, Marc. I agree with you except for the alcohol and anti-anxiety med factor, and I say that as a recovering alcoholic with 16 years of sobriety and, knock on wood, if I make it to April 1st it`ll be 17 years if I make it one day at a time there because I could tell you -- I`m not proud of it. I could tell you that I have experienced blackouts and I know that a recollection can come back in shards and I do remember -- and I`m not proud to say this, it`s embarrassing but I`ll say many, many years ago I reported my car stolen, and it wasn`t stolen, and afterwards I remembered where I had left it.

Now that doesn`t mean that I moved the car. It means that I didn`t remember that I had parked the car a certain place and then as my memory came back -- Leslie Austin, psychotherapist -- I remember, oh, yes, I remember now where I left the car.

Is it possible that her shifting story is simply the recollection of somebody who had by her own admission probably at least five glasses of wine and anti-anxiety meds which supercharges it to, according to experts, 10 glasses of wine?

DR. LESLIE AUSTIN, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: It`s not only possible, Jane, it`s likely and I think Marc makes a really important distinction here. The way she`s behaving indicates she is uncomfortable and hiding something. The thing is we don`t know what. And it may not be her guilt but there`s more here than meets the eye that she is not willing

to disclose and that`s where she really does need to talk to the police.

If she`s got a good attorney now -- Mr. Tacopina certainly is one -- she needs to be talking to the police, possibly with her attorney present but she needs to be in communication with them, and her husband, as well. They need to be going back and cooperating. Now if they feel safe with their lawyer.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think you`re making an excellent point. I can understand not wanting to talk to cops without an attorney present.

But Ray Giudice and Remi Spencer -- and I`ll start with Ray -- they now have a top-flight attorney. So why aren`t they in that police station right now with their top-flight attorney explaining what the heck went on that night?

RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Before any top-flight attorney lets his clients or her clients be questioned any further he`s going to know the facts forward and backward. And let me just say, I think some of the reporters and commentaries are setting up strawmen.

Alexis went on and on about how they don`t have the cell phones and the parents aren`t helping. A little bit of shoe leather by law enforcement would go get a subpoena for the cell phone records and would go triangulate on the cell phone towers and they could solve that problem pretty quickly without making an accusation against the parents.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, hold on. Hold, hold, hold.

GIUDICE: That can be resolved.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to give Alexis a chance to respond, because my understanding was that you were essentially they didn`t have their cell phones turned on. Now I don`t know that you can track pings of a cell phone that isn`t turned on. Right, Alexis?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: Right. You cannot. What I was saying is that the police have actually tracked the records and they`re saying there were phone calls made which contradicts what the parents say which is that we were not able to make outgoing phone calls on their cell phones.

They apparently are saying they didn`t pay the bill and so they were cut off. But the police are actually saying this isn`t true from the shoe leather reporting that he said that they did.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, we don`t know all where show leather. I don`t anyway.

OK, Remi Spencer, defense attorney, what do you make of that? I mean, if they`ve got something on the parents in essence cold, hard facts, pings, cell phone pings that dispute the parent`s story, and this is a big if, this is just being reported, that is I would say very, very disturbing.

I mean, either the phone was working or it wasn`t. Either they were taken or they weren`t.

REMI SPENCER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Look. Any inconsistency, any

discrepancy in an investigation of a missing child like this is going to raise red flag to law enforcement and it should. But the cell phone records that we were just discussing simply not enough to draw connection to even get us to probable cause.

Every single story, even with truthful people who are not being deceptive are going to -- these stories are going to have inconsistencies. People see things differently. Memories are not perfect. And this is a high stress, very traumatic situation.

Assume for a second as the law presumes that these parents are innocent, it is not inconceivable that they would not react the way everybody else would expect them to react. Especially if they have gone through hours and hours of questioning already. It makes sense that the lawyer Joseph Tacopina would want to take time and carefully sift through everything before they sat down with law enforcement again.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And let me say this.

Jim Spellman, CNN correspondent, this is not happening on some farmland. This is a suburban community. We`ve seen video of it where people are seeing what`s going on in other neighbor`s houses. There aren`t even shrubs or bushes that hide it.

I mean, if somebody`s going to get rid of a child, it`s very possible that somebody would have noticed that. They`re not seeing any of that, are they?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: No. Absolutely not. And there`s not even a tree in the front yard of the baby Lisa`s house. It`s

wide open there. But once you got into an automobile here, I think you would blend in very quickly. Lots of cars coming and going all times of day.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But did the mother even have a car?

SPELLMAN: She doesn`t have a driver`s license but we understand she knows how to drive and there is another car besides the one they drive on a normal basis.

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BRADLEY: Terrified but I`m trying to be hopeful.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) and busted. And his 10-monthold daughter is missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is a stranger breaking in to the house taking baby Lisa?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Back to ground zero as far as --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She disappeared from her home, her crib.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Suspects or persons of interest.

NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: If someone has baby Lisa --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No sign of her despite dozens of massive searches.

GRACE: And we`ve seen this before.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Admitted she was drunk the night her child disappeared.

GRACE: Where children are taken out of their home. Women that want babies they can`t have them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The location of the grocery store where she knew she bought the box of wine and some baby supplies.

GRACE: And they`re passing the baby off as their own, will that raise any red flag?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Only if someone has seen pictures of this child and recognizes the child.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where is baby Lisa? Jane Velez-Mitchell in for Nancy Grace. And we are exploring all possibilities as we have breaking news to tell you about tonight.

Police cars now parked in front of the family home. This as a war of words has erupted between the parents of the missing 10-month-old child who has now turned 11 in the course of her disappearance, 11 months old. And police, police saying essentially they need to talk to this mom and dad if they want to find out where this child is, and insinuating that the parents have been uncooperative.

The parents through their attorney saying absolutely no. They have not been uncooperative. So which is right? It depends on who you listen to.

And I want to go out to Jim Spellman, CNN correspondent, who is literally right outside the family home.

Meanwhile, more than 100 miles west apparently there was a sighting at 1:00 this afternoon of a child that looks apparently somewhat like this little girl.

What do you know, Jim?

SPELLMAN: That`s right, Jane. One hundred and 20 miles west of Kansas City is Manhattan, Kansas. At a deli there, there are two women in their 20s came in with a child that matched the description of baby Lisa. They -- it was described that they were nervous once people started looking at them and the baby.

They left without eating their food. We knew the manager has given their credit card receipt information to authorities. They`re trying to track them right now.

And one quick thing about the cooperation and lack thereof from the family. Police here are very frustrated because they have had over 550 credible tips worth investigating and they don`t have a partner in the family to run those tips by to try to find out if there`s anything that matches up with something else in the life that might be of help for the police. That`s really frustrating them here.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And Remi Spencer, defense attorney. You have Joe Tacopina who`s an excellent attorney, and I admire him, he`s done great work in many cases, but he`s standing there outside the family home and saying the investigation begins right here, right here.

Well, the cops are saying, yes. But we can`t get the family to talk to us. We can`t get the mother and father to talk to us. That they haven`t spoken to them since October 8th. That the mother became uncomfortable during an October 8th interview. And they have haven`t been able to question them about these inconsistencies, about these new stories. Why? Why not?

SPENCER: Well, let`s be clear. It`s not that the police have not been able to speak with the parents. The cops have spoken with the parents on more than one occasion for hours at a time. It`s been reported as you said earlier in this show that the police may have accused the mother outright to her face.

So it is not unreasonable. In fact, she`s very smart to have hired a good lawyer to protect her rights. That does not mean that they are not speaking with the police. It means that she has some protection so that the law enforcement can do their job properly. Collect the evidence. And quite frankly, I don`t think this is about the mother being afraid of going to jail.

I think the mother is truly afraid that if they look at her and focus on her they will stop looking for the child. And I think that is the mark of an innocent person. Look for my child. Leave me alone. Look for my child is what she`s been saying all along.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. But they are looking for her child. We`ve talked to people in the neighborhood said there`s helicopters overhead.

I`ve got to go back to Jim Spellman because you`re there. Weren`t they all at a wooded area today? And aren`t we seeing a lot of --

SPELLMAN: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t like to say manpower. People power? Cops? FBI?

SPELLMAN: Absolutely. Search is going on every day. Today in a wooded area, they re-searched an area that they had searched before this time with dogs to try to use the scent dogs to try to find some new clues in that area. They have been searching aggressively, even bringing in the National Guard over the weekend to search a wooded area. There definitely been searches going on here, but police tell us it`s all so much more difficult without being able to bounce things off of the parents and find out more information about the parents that might be helpful in these searches.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Marc Klaas, president and founder of KlaasKids Foundation. Here`s what I don`t get. If you are going to question the mother in a way that`s accusatory, and again the cops are telling us she`s a suspect. The only reason why I think she`s become a -- sort of a fixation in this case is the things that she herself has said.

She`s said publicly that cops told her she failed a polygraph. She is the one who expressed a sentiment that she thinks she might be arrested and the family is in fear.

But Marc, what`s the motive? What motive does this mother who has apparently no history of child abuse, there -- we don`t hear anything about Department of Children and Families having been out there. What motive could she have to any way, shape or form to harm this precious, adorable, angelic child of whom she`s taken so many photos?

KLAAS: I have no idea what her motive might be for doing something like that. And I think you`re exactly right, Jane, that she keeps pointing the finger at herself. What do I know and what I do take exception to is some of the other things that are being said by some of your other panel members about hanging loose and letting the lawyers analyze it before they go on and have a meeting with the police.

People seem to be forgetting here that there`s a little baby missing and that`s she`s been missing for two weeks now and that nobody seems to be helping the police try to find that little baby and really has got to be the bottom line.

This is a time for people to sit down with law enforcement and get all of the information out so that they can determine what happened to this little child and whether or not the parents are, in fact, involved.

Only they can eliminate themselves and they`re not doing that. Not now.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we`ve had some very, very patient callers. We`re going to go back out to the phone lines.

Randi, Utah, thank you for waiting so long. What is your question or thought, Randi?

RANDI, CALLER FROM UTAH: Thank you for taking my call. I have three really, really quick questions. First one is if somebody did come in and take her, does she have any identifying marks on her body? And could somebody that had seen her going in and out of the grocery store with the baby, maybe have watched them awhile and could have followed them home? And did they ever take --

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Jim Spellman, any identifying marks on the baby?

SPELLMAN: Two front teeth and a lower front teeth, but that was a month ago. At that age, that could change fast. Otherwise, just this beautiful precious baby, no identifying marks as far as moles or anything like that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Beauty mark on her inner thigh according to a couple of published reports.

Look at this child. Look at this baby. So much complex information. We`re trying to sort it out, we`re trying to figure out what happened to this child. We want to find her, we want to find her alive, we want to bring her home safe and sound. She deserves it.

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, the heartland. A 10- month-old baby sleeping in a crib just feet away from her own mother, Daddy on the midnight, goes missing without a trace, front door unlocked, front window open, every cell phone gone.

Grainy surveillance video emerges, Mommy shopping with a mystery man just hours before baby Lisa vanishes. What does Mommy buy? Baby food and a big box of wine. After baby Lisa`s mom admits she was knocked-out drunk the night baby Lisa disappears, Mommy now says she sees baby Lisa last at 6:40 PM, not 10:30. Mommy`s new story is costing (ph) me (ph) a full four hours.

Tonight, cops confirm Mommy and Daddy avoiding investigators for days, refusing to answer key questions. After FBI, cops search dogs and real life CSI swarm a heavily wooded area and a deep rock quarry a half mile from the home, a sighting of the missing baby.

Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, cops get a search warrant, raiding the crime scene, the family home. As baby Lisa`s parents lawyer up with a high-powered lawyer, we confirm investigators seize the family`s computer hard drive. Tonight, where is 10-month-old baby Lisa?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lisa`s mother, Deborah Bradley.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She dropped a couple of bombshells.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Inconsistencies in her story.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She says the last time she saw baby Lisa was 6:40.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER: Changed her, you know, put fresh clothes on her, get her ready for bed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The difference between putting kid to bed at 6:40 and 10:30 is huge.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shift her story for four hours.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 10:30 when she put her daughter to bed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Made sure her binky was in her crib in case she needed it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He noticed the screen is busted and his 10month-old daughter is missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Totally messes up the timeline.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Be advised that he didn`t witness anything and doesn`t know how long she`s been gone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police wanting to be sure that they haven`t missed anything.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Return Lisa home safely.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. A 10-month-old baby girl sleeping in a crib goes missing without a trace. In the last hours, cops get a search warrant, raiding the crime scene, the family home.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happened to baby Lisa?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A search warrant to search the house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Complete mystery at this time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s been missing for more than two weeks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No idea where baby Lisa Irwin might be.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re looking for the baby. We can`t wait until she gets home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Residential burglary in progress (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That call initiates the intense search for Lisa Irwin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Deborah Bradley, Lisa`s mother, and another man walk into this grocery store.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They had a box of wine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You see police cars here in front of baby Lisa`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The last person to see her is the baby`s mother.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The front door unlocked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Most of the lights were on in the house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The window just on the edge of the house there they had found open.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ten-month-old daughter gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How would somebody get out of the house with baby Lisa?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did it took like anything was disturbed in her room? I mean, did anything look out of place, other than her not being there?

BRADLEY: No. No.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. I want to go straight out to Jim Spellman, CNN correspondent, Kansas City. He`s there at the Irwin home. Jim Spellman, thank you for being with us.

Cops have swooped back down on the family home, the so-called crime scene, pursuant to a search warrant. It`s my understanding that in the past, the family allowed them in with consent. In other words, cops don`t have to get a search warrant if you let them come in. This time, they`re coming into the home with a search warrant. And also, the family has been booted. They cannot come back into the home, according to police, for as long as it takes.

What do you know, Jim Spellman?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That`s right. As soon as this

search warrant was issued Tuesday night, police showed up here, two or three cars at a time, barring access from the family into baby Lisa`s home.

Today investigators are here, local police as well as the FBI. CSI units are in the house investigating. They say that it`s not based on a new tip. They say that they`re doing due diligence. But Nancy, this is a much different kind of search than we`ve seen from the consensual searches when police have entered in the last week or so.

GRACE: Jim Spellman, why are they dressed in moonsuits? I can see that, but why are they dressed like that. What`s happening?

SPELLMAN: Well, we`re not sure, but this is a totally different kind of team than we`ve seen go in the past. In the past, we`ve seen some uniformed officers and some plainclothes detective types go in, including one time with dogs. But they`ve really ramped up this search. They have the whole CSI van with them here, and like you said, in the moonsuits. They`re clearly doing a different level of search than they`ve done in the past.

We don`t know exactly what they`re looking for, but we know it must be key to the investigation if they need to get a search warrant for it and it`s not something they found under previous consensual searches.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Quickly, to Steve Kardian, former police detective, self-defense expert, lead instructor at Defend University. Steve, the suits that police are wearing this time, those are most likely real-life CSI crime scene investigators. Let`s see those shots, Dana, please.

It looks as if they are going in now for forensic evidence that they fear they may have missed the first time. I`m talking about microscopic evidence, possibly using luminol, looking for other fingerprints, for hair, for fiber. When I say fiber, I mean carpet fiber, clothing fiber, looking at the baby`s crib on the inside to see if any fiber from the abductor`s clothes were in the crib, on the sheets, on the blankets.

Steve Kardian, I know that there was a -- I think a Barney, a stuffed dinosaur, in the crib with the baby. They may be looking at that. They may be looking for things beyond the naked eye. What do you make of it, Kardian.

STEVE KARDIAN, FMR. POLICE DETECTIVE, DEFEND UNIVERSITY: Well, any -- a professional CSI team`s going to go in with the suits so as not to contaminate the evidence that may be there. They`re going to go through that house with a fine-toothed comb. They are looking for any evidence that someone forcibly entered that house. They are looking for hair and fiber evidence. They`re going to be looking for DNA and fingerprints that may show that someone was inside that house that is not related to the family.

GRACE: Right.

KARDIAN: And they`re going to go through it with a fine-toothed comb. The FBI has many options at their -- at their fingertips, as opposed to local law enforcement. So it`s a good thing that they`re involved. I think that it`s going to be...

GRACE: You`re right about that, Steve Kardian.

Back to Jim Spellman, joining us outside the family home. You`re

seeing behind him the spot where cops went in and out and in and out of that front window of the home. Also behind him, you see the neighborhood, a quiet family residential area. Nothing like this has ever happened there before.

Jim Spellman, I`m a little twisted up on this. What am I hearing, that the parents haven`t spoken in depth to the cops since October 8th?

SPELLMAN: That`s right, 11 days now. You know, and investigators really want to be able to question them freely not only for what happened that night, but they`ve gotten over 550 credible tips. Every one of those they want to be able to run by family, see if that lines up somehow with someone they may know, someplace they may have been. Without that cooperation, police are getting more frustrated every day as they operate in the dark sometimes, doing searches without information from the family that could have been, you know, eliminated even having to do them if they could just speak freely with the family.

That`s a growing divide and it`s gotten a little more serious even since this new attorney, Joe Tacopina, is on the scene. He`s -- he insists they want to cooperate, but they still aren`t talking. And nor are the two boys, the half-brothers of baby Lisa that were in the home that night. Family refuses to allow them to be re-interviewed, either, Nancy.

GRACE: You know what? That`s another interesting point, Jim Spellman, that now the mom and dad are refusing to allow the children to speak to cops anymore. They`ve had one interview with police, is my understanding. And we also have learned that at one juncture, the two boys said they heard noises that night.

A lot is getting redefined, refocused in this case. We understand

Mommy now says she had at least five glasses of wine that night. Remember, she bought a big, honkin` box of wine at the grocery store.

Let`s see that video, Dana. Ramp it up for me. Around 5:00 PM. We now have Mommy changing her story, saying that she now saw the child last at 6:30 PM, not 10:30 PM. That loses four critical hours in the search for baby Lisa.

Not only that, when the neighbor, the neighbor lady, I think, is sitting on the front porch with Mommy, the children are inside watching TV, the baby is down at 6:30. Mommy`s out getting a snootful on the front porch around 6:00 or so. The neighbor leaves, looks back and sees the lights go off in the home.

Now, Mommy says she doesn`t remember turning the lights off, but who else would have done it? This means, did she go to bed without checking on the baby?

We are taking your calls. Out to Monica in Kansas. Hi, Monica. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I just want to say I`m really, really sick of hearing about these stories. And I want to thank you for your proceeds from "Dancing With the Stars" to go to the missing and exploited children.

GRACE: You know what, Monica? I really, really appreciate that. And I know I shouldn`t let it get into my life this way, but when I hear stories about this, I get so worried about my own twins, who are 3, I can hardly stand it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your twins have the best mom that there could be. And my question is, ever since I had my 5-year-old son, I became such a light sleeper. Even if I had a beer or two, you know, which is not good, but if I hear any noise or any coughing or him moving around, even to go to the bathroom, I would wake up instantly and say, What`s going on. I can`t believe this mother did not hear a lick of anything since the room was so close to her room.

GRACE: You know, Monica in Kansas, she said she had five glasses of wine and that she was basically knocked out of drunk, that she may have even blacked out.

And the other thing I found out -- let me go back to Jim Spellman. Hold onto Monica because I don`t know if I got her question or not. Jim, the daddy normally worked at a different place during the day, but this night, he was helping redesign, I think, lighting or electricity or something at a -- what`s the coffee place, Ellie? Starbucks. At a Starbucks.

SPELLMAN: Starbucks.

GRACE: So he was gone that night. Tell me about that.

SPELLMAN: Yes, that was the only night he had ever worked the night shift. And her changing the timeline from 10:30 to 6:40 is important because he may still have been home the last time that she saw baby Lisa. Completely changes the timeline of where he was during the disappearance, Nancy.

GRACE: You know, Jim Spellman, you couldn`t have said it better.

Drastically changes the timeline.

Look at this baby, baby Lisa, 10 months, allegedly snatched from her own crib. Tonight, where is 10-month-old baby Lisa? Police institute a no-fly zone over the area. What does it mean?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our main priority, our number one goal is to find this child.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police cars have been here in front of the missing baby Lisa`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They decided to stop talking to detectives.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The police here have a search warrant to search this home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... to look for more evidence.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why is it that cops are having trouble now reaching the parents?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say the parents have not been that

cooperative.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Barred the parents of baby Lisa from entering this home again.

BRADLEY: Try to think of anything or any reason this might have happened.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Eighty-two percent of all abductions involve a family member.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She made some very stupid, irresponsible choices by drinking when she`s home alone with the baby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She is admitting she was drunk.

BRADLEY: I can`t be without her!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We just want people to keep their focus on finding her. That`s all we need right now.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live in the search for baby Lisa. And now I find out the timeline has totally changed. First Mommy says she put the baby down or last checked on the baby at 10:30. Now we`re hearing Mommy got a snootful on the front porch, wine, sitting there chatting with a neighbor, Daddy at the night shift. And she last saw the baby at 6:30.

To Marc Klaas, the expert, president and founder, Klaas Kids Foundation. Marc, those four hours are critical in the search for this baby. Explain.

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION (via telephone): Well, it`s absolutely unbelievable, Nancy, because what they`re trying to do is establish the timelines so that they can launch a viable investigation. When was the last time somebody saw baby Lisa? When was the last time -- when was she reported missing? And you work then from within those parameters.

I think what we`re seeing here, particularly this morning, is that law enforcement has not lost their sense of urgency on this issue. They realize that every moment counts. The family, on the other hand, and their representatives, are treating this as if it`s some kind of a garden party. They don`t have that sense of urgency. They don`t seem to have the recovery of baby Lisa as their number one priority.

GRACE: With me, Marc Klaas. Marc went through a very similar incident when his beautiful little girl, Polly, went missing from her bedroom. Marc Klaas did everything possible. He practically lay down on the front of the police station, saying, Take my DNA, take my polygraph, clear me, look for the person that took my girl! We are not seeing that out of the parents.

On the other hand -- to Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter at Radaronline.com. Alexis, today I hear -- well, in the last hours, that Mommy says she was shown some burned clothing, and I believe they said doppler (ph), which we normally associate with the weather -doppler printout of the pings on their three cell phones that were taken from the home -- burned clothing and pings on their cell phones as to where the cell phones were, and that she later was, quote, "led to

believe" that that evidence was made up.

Now, I find -- I find it hard to believe cops would bring in burned clothes and a fake cell phone ping printout. But if cops or anybody did do that to me, I would immediately go hire a lawyer, or I would go in and demand to find out what was going on. I don`t know that I would hire a lawyer with my child missing. I would want to know why they did that.

What do you know about this allegation police showed them burned clothing that was all trumped up?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: That`s exactly right. She has said that cops did that. They showed her burned clothing. She said that eventually, she learned that it wasn`t true. What she said is, basically, that the police were trying to trick her into admitting that she had done something to her daughter, and that`s when she got so angry, she decided that she didn`t want to continue the line of conversation.

The police quote was that she became uncomfortable with the line of questioning. What she has said and what (ph) her attorney is that she absolutely doesn`t want the attention to be focused on her. She says there`s somebody out there...

GRACE: Well, you know...

TERESZCUK: ... that has taken her daughter and...

GRACE: I appreciate...

TERESZCUK: ... she wants to...

GRACE: ... that. I appreciate that, Alexis. But Jim Spellman, when you don`t speak to cops, even if you think they pulled a dirty trick on you, and it`s your baby missing, you don`t talk to them since October 8th, I got a problem with that!

SPELLMAN: So do the police and the FBI here. They would love to be able to have contact with them and not find out about these discrepancies in the timeline, not find out about the drinking by watching the news.

GRACE: Hey, Jim!

SPELLMAN: Incredibly frustrating...

GRACE: Jim! Jim! Jim!

SPELLMAN: ... for them here...

GRACE: Jim, is it true Mommy walked out on a police interrogation because she had to do a national interview for the TV?

SPELLMAN: Absolutely. That`s exactly what we`ve heard from investigators here. She had a TV interview, and she left to do that instead of speaking with the police.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is the baby? Seriously, where`s the baby?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police brought out ATVs and search dogs.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They looked through dumpsters, too.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That is what makes me look so sad.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Someone was looking for a handyman and one neighbor (INAUDIBLE) you know, there`s a handyman on every corner here.

GRACE: Mommy says she`s taken a polygraph and she`s afraid she failed.

BRADLEY: Call the tips hotline if you know where she`s at!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Firefighters went down into the well about 30 feet deep.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Their investigation focusing on baby Lisa`s bedroom when she put her daughter to bed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The day Lisa was reported missing was a Tuesday, and Tuesday is trash day around here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back. We are live. To Jim Spellman joining me there outside the family home. I`m just getting a wire in my hand right now. The bomb and arson truck headed to the scene. Bomb and arson truck?

SPELLMAN: Yes, we`ve been told by the Kansas City police they have deployed that to assist in this investigation but that there`s no explosives in the house, but they have some technology of some sort in there that will help them with this search.

GRACE: Everybody, we are taking your calls, but I want to unleash the lawyers, Darrell Cohen, defense attorney, Atlanta, Lorna Owens, defense attorney, Miami.

First to you, Darrell. Look, the viewers may not know it, Darrell, but I know it, that you were a felony prosecutor in inner-city Atlanta for many, many years before you went to the other side to become a defense lawyer.

Listen, Darrell, how can you not hear somebody coming in the window, stealing all your cell phones, wandering around the house, turning all the lights on, taking your baby? I hear now that the baby bottle was found on the floor. Surely, they must have left it in the crib. You don`t hear any of this, and the baby`s only a few feet away? Look at this diagram! Mommy`s right next to the baby.

DARRELL COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, look, let`s not castigate her. We know she made some mistakes.

GRACE: Well, I`m sorry. I can`t hear you. Wa-wa! Let`s not do what?

COHEN: Let`s not castigate her. She should not have been drinking. No question. But that doesn`t mean...

GRACE: I don`t care about her drinking! I care about the baby being gone.

COHEN: Well, you obviously do. You obviously do.

GRACE: Mommy can...

COHEN: Nancy, you do care.

GRACE: ... booze it up all she wants to!

COHEN: But she shouldn`t have been...

GRACE: No, I don`t care!

COHEN: ... drinking, but that doesn`t make her a bad mother. That doesn`t mean -- sure, she was scared.

GRACE: (INAUDIBLE) said that.

COHEN: ... so she said, OK, it was 10:30. Turns out she lied. That doesn`t make her a bad mother. It means she`s frightened. They initially cooperated with the police...

GRACE: Darrell, that`s not what I asked you!

COHEN: ... and law enforcement. I understand, but...

GRACE: That`s not what I asked you!

COHEN: But she couldn`t hear it because she was obviously drinking. That makes her irresponsible.

GRACE: OK, Lorna, weigh in.

LORNA OWENS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I agree with Darrell, Nancy. There`s nothing that says a mother can`t have a glass of wine or whatever the issue is.

GRACE: What is with you two?

OWENS: No. The issue is...

GRACE: I don`t care about her drinking! You know...

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GRACE: ... all she wants to. I care about the baby, Lorna Owens!

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s still missing. We still have her back.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: New developments in the case of missing Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re looking for a baby --

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She disappeared from her home, her crib.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But you can access the backyard of the house through a small public area with a stream running through it.

JOE GOMEZ, REPORTER, KTRH RADIO: She had admitted to downing a good portion of a box of wine. Even said she possibly blacked out that night.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: You only have to walk nine homes down to the right and turn and you`re into a densely wooded area.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Drinking too much while you have small children in the house.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The possibilities open up for how somebody could get away from this home.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MISSING 10-MONTH-OLD INFANT`S MOTHER: They just walked in and just disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The FBI and even the National Guard have focused their searches in this wooded area.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Welcome back. We are live at the scene where baby Lisa goes missing out of her crib. Mommy sleeping just feet away. Daddy first time on the night shift. Two minor boys also asleep in the home that night.

We are live and taking your calls. More and more coming out.

Jim Spellman, CNN correspondent, joining us there on the scene.

You know, the defense lawyers are screaming, it`s not a crime to have a drink. That`s not the issue, Jim Spellman. They`re right. I give them

this, Jim. It`s not a crime to get drunk on your front porch. All right. My concern is why nobody heard anything and why mommy is now changing her story.

When did this shift turn from seeing the baby at 10:30 to seeing the baby four hours earlier at 6:30. When did that happen?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This shift happened Sunday night, when the mother, Deborah Bradley, decided to do some media interviews and start talking about this being drunk, admitting that she possibly even was blacked out and changing that timeline when they talked to the media. It wasn`t until the next morning when those interviews aired that police knew that information.

And Nancy, it`s really essential also to people here in the community, what did you see that night at 10:30 is a lot different than what did you see at 6:40 when you might have been out and about, driving, getting dinner, coming home from work. Vastly different time of day for people to focus on and for investigators to focus on.

GRACE: Another issue is the -- the neighbor. The neighbor was there with the mom on the front porch, drinking wine until about what time, Matt Zarrell? When do we believe the neighbor left the scene?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: We believe that the neighbor left around 10:30, Nancy. And one thing I did want to mention there is that the cops had actually went to the neighbor`s home and reportedly searched with dogs and were reportedly seen taken bags of evidence out of the home.

Now cops would not comment if it`s connected to the case. They say

it`s just part of their investigation. But it is interesting to note that it is the same neighbor that was allegedly drinking with the mother Deborah Bradley on the porch the night the baby disappeared.

GRACE: You know what? You`re right about that, Matt. You`re -that`s a very good point. So they go in the neighbor`s home and also take out bags of evidence?

ZARRELL: Yes, that is what`s been reported including bringing search dogs to that home, Nancy.

GRACE: OK, Matt, what can you tell me about a no-fly zone, because in the past we typically see a no-fly zone over a crime scene when they found a body. We know as of right now there has not been a body found.

ZARRELL: Correct, but there is a no-fly zone within a one mile radius around the home. And Nancy, there was also a no-fly yesterday when cops and police, they swarmed to the wooded area right by the home. There`s was a no-fly zone. There were CSI trucks, technicians out there. Cops thought they might have found something. It turned out unfortunately they did not find anything.

But the no-fly is interesting, Nancy. We`ve seen this before when there is a body found they do restrict the airspace but we do believe a body has not been found as of now.

GRACE: Joining me right now, Tracy Sargent, search and rescue recovery specialist.

Tracy, give me your analysis about what`s happening there at the crime scene now and also we`ve seen FBI and local police swarming a deep rock quarry and dense woods less than a mile from the family home.

What does it all say to you in addition to fact that they`ve executed a search warrant, they`re back at the family home now in moon suits?

TRACE SARGENT, SEARCH AND RESCUE RECOVERY SPECIALIST: Well, as mentioned earlier, the law enforcement officials are doing due diligence in this case. It`s a very sensitive matter. There`s inconsistencies about the information that they are getting so they want to just really cross all their T`s, dot all their I`s, and make sure everything is checked and double checked.

Not only there inside the family`s home but now we`re looking at the neighbor`s home, and then now we have a rock quarry. What investigators are doing is searching what we call high probable areas first and focusing a lot of resources and effort in those high probable areas not only for evidence but certainly for Lisa if she`s there and determine where she -- what happened to her, and if there`s any leads or any information they can find out.

GRACE: Right.

SARGENT: Where that would lead them in the direction of finding her. In this case it was mentioned about dogs. Dogs are an excellent resource not only inside the home but the rock quarry, determine if there`s anything in the water or around the rock quarry itself the dogs will be able to pick that up whether it`s evidence or human remains.

GRACE: And you know, Tracy, I`m so glad you said that because a lot of civilians don`t know that dogs can actually pick up a scent in water, or under water, of a human.

We`re taking your calls, to Jaime in Alabama. Hi, Jaime, what`s your question?

JAMIE, CALLER FROM ALABAMA: Hello. Right now I really want to believe the parents but as days go by it`s just not happening. I`m just really concerned for this little girl right now. But my question is, back when the story first broke there was somebody -- a neighbor I believe -- that they`ve seen a man carrying a baby walking down the street. Has that ever been explained if there was another baby out that night?

GRACE: OK. Let`s go back to that. I recall that.

I know, Jim Spellman, that there was a local handyman that had also been homeless at some point that was seen in the area the week surrounding baby Lisa`s disappearance. But what do you know -- it`s my understanding the story about a man with the baby was never confirmed.

SPELLMAN: That`s my understanding as well. There was a homeless man who went by the name of Jersey that was seen in the area. Last Saturday over the weekend the police found him and arrested him on what they say is unrelated warrant. They say they don`t believe that he has anything to do with the investigation.

Initially when I got to this neighborhood, Nancy, somebody leaving on foot with a baby seem -- didn`t seem possible to me but as I walked around and search the neighborhood myself I discovered only nine

houses away a path into a densely wooded area.

And FBI, police and even the National Guard had searched that area at least twice. We still can see the flags where they marked areas that they want to come back to. So we know that that is on their radar. It leads right into a densely wooded area and paths that lead away from baby Lisa`s house.

GRACE: Out to Dr. Jake Deutsch, doctor of emergency medicine. Dr. Deutsch joining us out of New York.

Dr. Deutsch, authorities respond to a dumpster fire, a dumpster fire just a few blocks away from the home. This fire was reported only 90 minutes before baby Lisa was reported missing. If evidence had been burned, can any DNA survive fire?

DR. JAKE DEUTSCH, M.D., DOCTOR OF EMERGENCY MEDICINE: Sure. It just depends on the amount of decomposition. So if the baby was burned and still parts were intact in terms of bone, hair, any blood, that all would be important information. I think that the genetics in this type of case are going to be the key to solving the crime.

GRACE: Dr. Jake Deutsch, joining us.

And very quickly, back to the lawyers, Darryl Cohen, Lorna Owens.

You know what I don`t get, Darryl Cohen, is -- I was trying to find my children, do you think I would make cops get a search warrant to come to my home?

DARRYL COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy --

GRACE: Oh, no. I`d be getting a search warrant to get them to my home. So explain that one to me, you and Lauren Owens.

You first, Cohen.

COHEN: I`ll be glad to, Nancy. Number one --

GRACE: Good. Go right ahead.

COHEN: The cops used hickory, dickory, trickery. Once the cops lied to her, scared her to death and I don`t blame her. How in the world can you expect cooperation from someone who knows --

GRACE: OK.

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GRACE: I hear you with a nursery rhyme. Hickory, Dickory Dock." Thanks, Darryl.

COHEN: You got it.

GRACE: Your turn, Lorna.

LORNA OWENS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, there are no manuals or timetable as it relates to how people react to trauma. Trauma knows no time. Every case has discrepancies. And this poor woman she is going through living hell. Anything is possible.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: This afternoon they did another search of the home here, and the area they had dogs out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much had you to drink, and she didn`t know. She couldn`t tell us.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: In her statement or words she failed the polygraph meaning that there was deception indicated in our parlance. That is saying then that she is not telling the truth.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The blackout basically means that you don`t form memories.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s concerning that she has no remorse or thinking that she`s done something wrong and she also has no remorse over the fact that she clearly is telling a different story now. Does that mean she`s either lying before or she`s lying now?

LAUREN LAKE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I know people want to completely villainize this woman because she did things that we think are

irresponsible, maybe immoral.

WOODY TRIPP, FORMER POLICE COMMANDER, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Courts have said we can use lying, trickery when it comes to interviewing suspects. In this case you use extraordinary circumstances because of the fact that we`re talking about a baby here.

LAKE: Now that she has a lawyer she can tell her full story. She can say what she was scared to say in the beginning.

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GRACE: We are live in front of the family home taking your calls.

To Dr. Kathryn Smerling, psychologist joining us out of New York. You know, Dr. Smerling, I`m not casting doubt in any way on the parents, all right. But my question is, do you think most people would care if police were wrongly accusing them of something? I mean they are not charged. They are not arrested. They are not behind bars.

As opposed to, if their main interest was finding the missing child? I just prop myself up at the police station and say fine, handcuff me, but what can I do to help find my baby.

KATHRYN SMERLING, PH.D., PSYCHOLOGIST: I think that that is correct, Nancy. However, in this case the parents are not particularly sophisticated people. They have -- they were badgered by the police and I`m sure that they became very, very confused afterwards. And the mother has something to hide.

What she did was to take a lethal cocktail. Five glasses of wine plus anti-anxiety medication with three children sleeping in the house. Must have caused a blackout for her. And she probably does not remember, it does erase memory after that. So I`m sure that she`s shaken up and as one of the people said, I think it was one of the lawyers, trauma has no timeline.

You can experience trauma right after your child disappears, or a year after your child disappears. I`m not condoning her behavior. But I am saying that there is an explanation for her behavior at this moment.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to David in Illinois.

Hi, David. What`s your question?

DAVID, CALLER FROM ILLINOIS: Nancy, love your show, first of all. I just thought there was something rotten in Denmark with an alibi or something the family has been claiming. They claim all three cell phones were taken and also they said the father was working until 4:00 a.m. for the first time ever.

Now why didn`t he have his cell phone with him? When you leave your house don`t you bring your cell phone especially as a father?

GRACE: OK. Hold on, David -- David in Illinois, don`t move. Don`t let him go.

First of all, the daddy had a cell phone with him.

Ellie, was at it personal or work phone? OK. He had a work cell phone with him. I don`t know about his personal cell phone if that was one of the three that were charging at home. OK. So that`s the answer to one of your questions.

What was the other thing, David in Illinois?

DAVID: Well, I just thought it was -- my whole thing was basically about the cell phone. I just thought as a father wouldn`t he have his cell phone to talk to his wife if he was out for the first time until 4:00 a.m., or --

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GRACE: Well, I agree with that. And another thing, David in Illinois, number one, I don`t know this is going to be a continuing job or if it was just in the interim when they were trying to get that Starbucks lighting and electricity fixed. I don`t know if they`re redesigning it or opening a new one.

But my question, I don`t understand why a perp would come in and take all the cell phones with them and also I know the mom and dad are saying that they were shown cell phone ping records but we haven`t heard anything about that.

If you were having your phones charged, would you have turned them off, David in Illinois? Do you turn your phones off to charge them or not?

DAVID: I leave it on all the time because if you turn it off you miss text messages. And you know in this day and age that`s how you keep in touch with a lot of friends.

GRACE: Yes, I`m in the practice now of just leaving my BlackBerries turned on when I charge them at night. Another thing, and I want to go out to Marc Klaas on this.

Marc, I know the mom had a snootful, she was drunk. But you know when I get home at night from doing the dance practice and doing -for eight hours and doing the show, and I play with the children, I bathe them and I feed them and I get them to bed, by the time I finally hit the sack, a lot of times, Marc Klaas, Lucy and/or John David will both have come from their beds into my room and are actually getting into the bed with me when I wake up.

I`m not defending the mom for having a snootful but what I`m saying is I think it`s possible not to hear what`s going on, Marc Klaas.

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, you know you`re being kind of kind. I mean she admittedly had a possible blackout. She was truly bombed out of her mind. Now this is new information to law enforcement as well as to the public and I think what they are doing is they are realizing that not given all of the information that is required and only finding these things out in the aftermath that they have to go back into that house.

Now it`s quite possible that something terrible happened and she might not even remember it. But it`s quite possible there was a terrible accident if she was in such an inebriated state and if that is the case she would not have been in a position to take the baby, a baby that she might have accidentally killed, and stashed that baby anywhere far from the house.

I think quite frankly they`re back in that house to see if -- one of the reasons they`re back in the house is to see if there was some terrible accident that evening and the mother in desperation hid the remains of the baby some place.

GRACE: You know, I want to say, again, the parents are not a suspect. They are not named suspects.

Marc, I want to go back to you on this. If the mom was plastered that much, she was out of her gourd that much, how could she stage a cover-up?

KLAAS: Well, I don`t know that she could stage a cover-up. It would be a very weak cover-up. But who knows what one can do in that state of inebriation. I mean it`s quite possible that they`ll find something under the floor board, or they`ll find something in very, very close proximity to the home, something that was not well organized or not well executed.

I just think that that`s one of the scenarios they`re looking at in the aftermath of the realization of all of this new information.

GRACE: I want to go back to Jim Spellman, joining me there at the family home in Kansas City, Missouri. I also learned that the cops have seized the family computer hard drive. What do we know about that, Jim?

SPELLMAN: That`s right. They`ve taken the hard drive. The family says they want the hard drive back to get some videos off of it to release to the public, more videos of baby Lisa to try to stir interest.

We do know that they have that very interesting these CSI teams that are in the house. They are now using -- today they`re using a ladder that they have been bringing in and out of the house. It`s not a -- it`s not a big house. We haven`t seen them use it on the outside of the house but bring it inside the house. Seems like they used it in there, and now they brought that back out.

Also this bomb squad unit is now on the scene. Police tell us that`s not because there`s an explosive here but that there`s some tools that they`re going to use to help them with that. That`s all happening in the house today.

GRACE: Everybody, we are live in the search for 10-month-old baby Lisa. How many people in this country would pay a ransom, a king`s sum, to have a beautiful baby like this? This baby allegedly snatched out of her own crib.

Tip line, 816-474-8477. The reward now topping $100,000.

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RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It is game on for these folks. They are not only doing the right thing in hiring excellent, nationally known counsel --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wanting to do absolutely everything to find baby Lisa. And us turning into a lynch mob without evidence of proven guilt.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, GUEST HOST: Breaking news tonight out of America`s heartland in the search for a 10-month-old girl who vanishes from her own crib in the dead of night. Her dad works the night shift, then comes home to find baby Lisa gone. The last person to see her alive, her own mom.

After baby Lisa`s mom admits she was drunk, blacking out the night baby Lisa disappears, Mommy then changes her story. The last time she sees her baby now 6:40 PM, not 10:30 PM. That`s a full four hours` difference.

And in a bombshell development, a major raid goes down at the crime scene, the home where baby Lisa vanishes without a trace. For 17 hours -- 17 hours! -- the FBI, cops, a bomb and arson team and CSI in hazmat suits work into the wee hours of the night, combing over every square inch of the family home and yard. They even bring in a hightech X-ray machine. And before it`s all over, investigators leave with multiple bags of evidence, including a big carpet, evidence that cops confirm is significant in the search for 10-month-old baby Lisa.

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DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER: We went around house and we`re screaming for her!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The window just on the edge of the house there,

they had found open.

BRADLEY: And she was nowhere!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Snatched from her own crib.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A search warrant was issued.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A large team of people in the back yard using shovels and rakes to search an area behind a shed in the back yard.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are they looking for?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it would be pretty obvious if there was a large area of ground moved, if there was anything buried or anything like that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is such a different level of search here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The baby`s mother, Deborah Bradley, was the last person to see Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why are we focusing on Debbie? We should be focusing on her!

BRADLEY: The only thing I can think of is, you know, maybe somebody wanted a baby and she -- I hope that`s what it is!

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, in tonight for Nancy Grace. A major raid into the wee hours of the night at the home of 10-month-old baby Lisa, reported missing from her own crib.

Straight out to CNN correspondent Jim Spellman, live on the scene. Jim, tell us about this overnight search at the family home.

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, a 17-hour search, Jane, inside the house. They focused on using X-ray equipment. We saw them go in multiple times, probably over 100 times, with these black panels, about three feet by two feet. We now know that those are used as X-ray equipment that came in the bomb squad vehicle.

We don`t know specifically what they were looking for here, but in general, those are used to look inside walls, inside pipes, things like that. That`s this kind of high-tech specialized search, an intense search that we saw all day here yesterday.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, Eleanor Odom, senior attorney, National District Attorneys Association, you know how prosecutors work. You know how authorities work. What are they looking for when they go into a house dressed in those white outfits, stay there for 17 hours, and they`re using X-ray equipment to examine walls, pipes and floorboards?

ELEANOR ODOM, NATIONAL DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOC.: Jane, they`re looking for any type of forensic evidence -- for instance, maybe skin, blood, those are two things, perhaps -- you hate to say it,

but body parts, any bits of bone, anything like that. So this is an excellent way to do that search without damaging the home, for example. You don`t want to rip out every single wall, so they`re doing it in a slow, methodical way, and I think this is great.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, C.W. Jensen, retired Portland police captain, they`ve been in the home before. But this is the very first time that they obtained a search warrant, the contents of which we have not seen. They are not releasing that. But normally, a search warrant affidavit, they`ve got to list their theory of the case. They`ve got to list what they`re looking for.

What do you make of this, really an army, an army of law enforcement going in, in these white suits, and spending 17 hours there?

C.W. JENSEN, RETIRED PORTLAND POLICE CAPTAIN: Well, what they`re doing now is what I would have done. Initially, when they went in there, they had some cooperation from the parents. But now, as they start focusing on the parents, maybe specifically the mother, they want to get a search warrant because they don`t want, in the future, when they go to court, to have the argument that the parents were pressured into cooperating.

So I would do exactly what they`re doing. You get a search warrant, and it spells out exactly the probable cause, why they probably think there`s evidence of this crime there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but Dr. Vincent Dimaio -- you`re a former chief medical examiner -- isn`t it a little too late? I mean, the child disappeared October 3rd. That`s weeks ago. Anything that was there, couldn`t they have cleaned up by now?

DR. VINCENT DIMAIO, FMR. CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER: Sure. They`re not look for trace evidence. They`re looking for a body. I mean, they don`t want to tear the walls out. They want to see if there`s a body, body parts. That`s why they`re in the back yard raking, also. They`re looking for a body. They`ve given up on -- well, they suspect the mother, or at a minimum, and so they`re looking for a body.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline, I want to talk a little bit about the money problems that reports now indicate this family may have had. Specifically, their cell phone was turned off because they hadn`t paid their cell phone bill. And the dad is working a second job. He`s an electrician. And he takes this overnight job at a Starbucks. Now, there is surveillance video of him apparently working at the Starbucks.

What do you know about their money problems? All right, I guess -can you hear me?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Guess what? We can`t hear you -- OK, guess what, Alexis? Now we can hear you. And what you have to say is important, so take it away again.

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: OK. OK. So starting with the cell phones, you`re absolutely right, they were not able to pay the bills. Only the dad works. The mom doesn`t work. She doesn`t have a job. She doesn`t even have a driver`s license, so he had to take a second job. This was the very first night that he ever did the overnight shift. But he needed -- they needed the money.

But they also have had -- you know, they live in a town that isn`t very -- it`s not very fancy, but they were definitely struggling through these times.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and maybe that`s why she was reportedly on anti- anxiety meds. Paula Bloom, clinical psychologist, she went and bought a box of wine earlier on in the evening, and then she comes home with a box of wine, with the baby food and the baby wipes, and then puts the child to the crib and puts the child asleep at about 6:40. And then proceeds to drink on a stoop with her neighbor until at least 10:30. That`s when the neighbor goes home.

But now we`re also hearing that she was on anti-anxiety meds, as well, which my understanding, that`s like super-sizing the booze, right, at least five glasses plus anti-anxiety meds. What does that do to your brain?

PAULA BLOOM, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: I mean, yes, I mean, they potentiate each other. I mean, listen, a lot of times people are under a lot so stress, and one of the things people go to -- and I know you know, you talk about this in your book. People want to medicate feelings away and pain away, and alcohol does a very good job. It has its own consequences, but it does a very good job of not feeling things, right? It gets worse and worse as you take more and more.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, of course.

BLOOM: And then you have the anti-anxiety medication, which for -depending what medication they were on, can be very highly addictive, as well. So yes, the two together -- usually, it`s contraindicated to take the two.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, you`re not supposed to. And that`s a fancy way of saying when you`re taking anti-anxiety meds, you`re not supposed to be drinking any wine, much less at least five glasses, much less when you`re watching an innocent, helpless, beautiful child like this. I mean, this is extraordinary to me that all of this is going on at the same time.

Now, I want to bring in the attorneys, Renee Rockwell and Peter Odom. Renee, we`re not calling the mother a suspect. The cops haven`t called the mother a suspect. She`s brought attention on herself, however, because she`s the one who went out and told everybody that cops told her that she failed a polygraph test. She`s the one who went out and said she`s afraid that she`s going to be arrested.

We don`t know what happened. We`re not calling her a suspect. Why do you think she`s bringing this attention on herself?

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, that`s an interesting question. More interesting is the fact that she would have even said that she failed the polygraph because I think the police are saying that she did not.

What I think is important, that she manned up and even took the polygraph, Jane, because that`s not anything someone that`s got anything to hide would have just manned up and did. So I`m impressed by the fact that she`s at least cooperating.

She needs two (ph) lawyers, though, to shut her down and keep her quiet because she`s making statements that are not going to help her in the end.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. As a matter of fact, she has said that she believes that cops have a theory that there was an accident and she covered it up. That`s in a "People" magazine article.

Peter Odom, again, the cops aren`t talking. The cops aren`t saying, Here`s our theory. She is the one saying, Hey, there`s a theory out there -- is she hurting herself, or does she have some sort of brilliant strategy?

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I don`t think she has a strategy, and of course, that`s why she needs a lawyer. But Jane, I disagree when you say the cops aren`t talking. By this search, by going to that home with hazmat suits, by going to that home with Xrays, they are saying, We are starting from scratch again.

This is not a specific search for a body part or for trace evidence. This is the police searching every floorboard, carpet and closet in that home. They`re starting over again. And indeed, they do have a new theory, and it has to do with the mother.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. You want to elaborate on that?

PETER ODOM: Sure. Generally, when the police do a search -- most searches that police do pursuant to a search warrant are for specific things. Sometimes when the police do a search, they`re just searching for anything they can get their hands on that might be evidence of a crime.

In this case, with a 17-hour search, which is a very long search by anybody`s standards, with X-ray machines -- they took out 17 bags of evidence, from what I understand. They are looking for anything at all

that might help them solve this mystery, trace evidence...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes and...

PETER ODOM: ... body parts, fluids, anything, weapons. They don`t know what they`re looking for. They`re just looking for anything.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I can tell you that Captain Steve Young has told us that they found items of evidentiary value in the search of the home. He wouldn`t go into detail, but he is saying that they found items of evidentiary value in the search of the home.

So I guess my big question is, what happens next? And I`m going to throw that out to C.W. Jensen, retired Portland police captain. What happens next?

JENSEN: Well, I think that what people need to know is that this isn`t just a singular thing where they`re going after her. They`re looking at a whole lot of different things. So they`re going to gather this evidence and they`re going to move forward in a systematic way. This search warrant wasn`t for anything, it was for specific things.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you have any tips at all, no matter how small.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A spotting of two women and a baby.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two women who were spotted...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two weeks after baby Lisa`s disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Seemed suspicious.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They left in a vehicle with Missouri license plates.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A day of intense searching here at baby Lisa`s house.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Raiding the crime scene, the family home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Law enforcement has not lost their sense of urgency.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re looking for DNA and fingerprints.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Focus on the back yard, using shovels and

rakes.

GRACE: Investigators seize the family`s computer hard drive.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These parents are not particularly sophisticated people.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Deborah Bradley, who admits she was drinking the night Lisa vanished and possibly even blacked out.

GRACE: The family has been booted. They cannot come back into the home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The community coming together.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re just hoping for a tip that somebody somewhere finds her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is the baby? Seriously, where`s the baby?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s still no sign, though, of the missing baby.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Still no sign of baby Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re concerned about the whereabouts of

baby Lisa.

BRADLEY: Just please bring her home!

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jane Velez-Mitchell, in tonight for Nancy Grace. Where is baby Lisa? This adorable, angelic child has been missing about 17 days. And cops just spent 17 hours going through the home from which she disappeared.

Straight out to NANCY GRACE producer Matt Zarrell. Give us a detailed outline of what they were doing in and around the house, and what they took out of the house.

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: OK. Cops arrived at about 8:30 in the morning, a slew of cops, 15 to 20, including CSI and FBI investigators and search dogs. They start searching in the house. They start searching around the house. They focused on the back yard. They start looking behind a shed and start digging with rakes and shovels. They also had a ladder in there.

After a couple of hours, a bomb squad is brought in. Now, the bomb squad has X-ray technology that allows them to search in walls and the floorboards. Maybe they`re looking for DNA forensics. Maybe they`re even looking for baby Lisa`s body. Cops haven`t confirmed yet.

Then throughout the nearly 17 hours of searching, we see cops go out with bag after bag after bag of evidence, brown paper bags of

evidence, clear plastic bags of evidence, all going into police vans. We don`t know what evidence was contained in there, but cops have confirmed with us tonight that items of evidentiary value were found during the search.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And the most interesting one to me, the giant carpet that they took out. Are they going to be testing that carpet to see if there are bloodstains or any kind of DNA, DNA on that carpet?

Listen, this case has transfixed the nation, the phone lines lighting up. Let`s go straight to the phones. Robbi, Louisiana, your question or thought, Robbi.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello, Jane. I`m calling...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... because, first of all, I`ve been in law enforcement all my life, and I find this woman`s story so farfetched, it`s just unbelievable. And I`ve never known in all of my career of a criminal taking a baby and only three -- and three cell phones. I mean, that just makes no sense whatsoever.

However, there is word that I`ve heard, a call was made on one of the cell phones around 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning. Do we know who this call was made to? Also, the neighbor or friend, whoever it was that was drinking at her house with her -- has that person submitted to a polygraph? And did the father submit to a polygraph and pass?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, you`ve got enough questions to keep

a police department busy, but we`re going to try to answer some of them.

First of all, Jim Spellman, I haven`t heard anything in published reports about any phone calls being made. I do know that they went to the home of the neighbor who was drinking with the mother of the missing child, and they did take items out of the home.

But what do you know about some of the questions that have been raised by this caller?

SPELLMAN: A few days ago, dogs were -- with investigators went into the home of the next-door neighbor of baby Lisa`s house. And yesterday, that same next-door neighbor was out in the front, speaking with investigators. The block was closed off to the media, so we had to watch this from about three houses away. But she came out multiple times to speak with investigators. We don`t know about what, and we didn`t see investigators go into her home yesterday. But it is adjacent to the driveway where all the investigators had set up their command center yesterday.

She`ll definitely be key in this investigation because for about an almost four-hour time period, she was with Deborah Bradley right on the front stoop drinking, according to Deborah Bradley herself.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and to me the big question is, when did somebody who is not a member of the family last see this child? The mother goes to get a box of wine and proceeds to get drunk, and she says she put the child to sleep at 6:40.

But Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline, do we have any

idea when somebody else who is not related to this child saw the child?

TERESZCUK: No, we don`t. It seems like the mother was the last one to see the child. The neighbor has not spoken publicly, but she has not said that she saw the child, either. It seems like 6:30 was the last time anyone saw her, but it was a family member. No strangers. The baby wasn`t in the market. either.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The police dispatch tapes from the moment police first got a call about Lisa disappearing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Residential burglary in progress on (INAUDIBLE) And their 10-month-old daughter is missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That call initiates the intense search for Lisa Irwin.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Law enforcement has not lost their sense of urgency on this issue.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And they were outside that Kansas City home with shovels.

BRADLEY: I said, What do you mean she`s not in her crib? And I just knew, you know, that something was really wrong!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The family, on the other hand, and their representatives are treating this as if it`s some kind of a garden party.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The changing of the story is concerning.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They don`t have that sense of urgency.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The one thing we know for certain, still no sign of baby Lisa over two weeks after she disappeared.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jane Velez-Mitchell, in for Nancy Grace. The child`s been missing for about 17 days, and for the last 12 days, cops say the family, the parents are not cooperating with them, have refused to sit down for a no-holds-barred interview. Now, the cops are not calling this mother a suspect. They say they have no suspects, no persons of interest.

But interestingly enough, the mother, the woman you see crying there, is the one bringing attention upon herself. She has said publicly that cops told her she failed a polygraph. And she has also said in a

"People" magazine article that cops presented them with a theory that the child was accidentally harmed and that Deborah Bradley panicked, the mother panicked, and tried to cover it up, something they strongly deny.

Renee Rockwell, defense attorney, if this mother is innocent -- and I`m not presuming she`s anything but -- why is she running around, bringing attention on herself with -- telling "People" magazine about theories that the cops had that she did something accidentally to her child?

ROCKWELL: You know why she`s doing it? Because she obviously doesn`t have a lawyer that`s trying to shut this down. She needs to say nothing. And I don`t care if you call her a suspect or a person of interest, look at what`s going on right now, 17 hours in the house? And people are talking about X-ray machines and -- the reason why all this is happening is because the FBI stepped in, and they`re allowing the resources and they`re using these resources to help them crack this case. So it`s time for her to be quiet.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but Eleanor Odom -- I would agree with you, but Eleanor Odom, she does have a high-powered attorney, Joe Tacopina of Joran Van Der Sloot fame, and he`s holding news conferences. And still, the articles are coming out in "People."

ELEANOR ODOM: She keeps talking and talking. And Jane, I want to refute what Renee said earlier. She`s not manning up. She`s not rushing out there, giving a bunch of information to the police. Let`s call it what it is, Jane. She is a liar! She didn`t tell the police from the very beginning that she was kicked back on her front porch drinking a box of wine. So we know she`s lied from the very beginning. So what else is she lying about?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m wondering if maybe they obtained another search warrant, went back to look for more evidence. The fact that they have marked police cars -- normally, to secure a scene...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Obviously, the recovery of baby Lisa is not the number one priority of her parents.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The investigation is focused on finding that baby. Time is so crucial here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Try to find baby Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can`t take anyone off the table as a possible suspect.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Binge drinking with benzodiazepine which caused a blackout.

NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: The neighborhood, a quiet family

residential area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a tunnel, sort of a drainage tunnel. But there`s things like that throughout the whole neighborhood that investigators have to search.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Evidence that there`s a window that`s tampered with.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Very dark in this neighborhood. The street lights don`t create a really bright environment. It`s not a grid kind of neighborhood. It`s a neighborhood where there`s hills and rolling corners.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Difficult terrain, dense woods.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Where is the baby?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jane Velez-Mitchell in for Nancy Grace.

Where is baby Lisa? She`s been missing for about 17 days. Cops went through the missing baby`s family home for 17 hours carrying out bags and bags of evidence they say they have found evidentiary value evidence. Now the question is, what happened? It remains a complete and total mystery.

Let`s focus on the dad for a second. The dad is working an overnight shift. He is on surveillance video doing electrical work at a Starbucks, comes home at 3:45 in the morning, says he finds the whole situation very weird. The door is open or unlocked. The lights are on. A window is open. A screen is pushed in.

His wife is asleep with one of the children in the house as well as a cat who apparently had been rescued and discovered, a stray cat, and he wakes her up and says, what the heck is going on, and then she becomes alarmed. They find out the baby is missing, and then they say they go into a panic, the two of them running around and running around hysterically trying to figure out what happened.

Now I want to focus in on the dad because to me it seems like -- can we eliminate at least the father as a suspect? He is on surveillance tape working at a Starbucks. There`s surveillance tape of him. Also, he says that the cops said you don`t need to take a polygraph when he offered. Although the mother says she`s been given a polygraph and the cops told her she failed the polygraph.

So I`ll put it out to CW Jensen, retired Portland police captain. Do we need to distinguish between the mother and father as we investigate the case?

CW JENSEN, RETIRED PORTLAND POLICE CAPTAIN: Oh, absolutely. And here`s the funny thing and I don`t -- I worked a lot of homicide cases. I don`t believe in coincidences. Now the father`s working overnight for the first time. The mother knows this. And then all of a sudden she decides to get drunk on that night, and then all of a sudden this precious little baby disappears.

Jane, that`s pretty creepy to me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it`s interesting because you raise the issue of alcohol and I`m a recovering alcoholic, I say it all the time, 16 years of sobriety, knock on wood, I`ll make it to 17 by April. But a former friend of the mother of this missing child, Shirley Pass, has come forward, said she met Bradley when they were both army wives.

And let`s stop to say that the mother and the father of this beautiful baby are not married. They live together. But Deborah Bradley, the mother, is still married to somebody who`s in the army and who`s serving in the nation`s military, and he`s out of the picture. He`s not in the area.

So that being said, they were both military wives and this friend, this former friend, says that this mom that you`re seeing was definitely an attention hound and it was almost like she couldn`t have other friends around her because she would do things to try to cause a scene everywhere.

And this former friend also says that Deborah Bradley, the mom, liked to drink but she wasn`t a drunk.

Paula bloom, clinical psychologist, your analysis of what this former friend had to say about this woman right here.

PAULA BLOOM, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST, BLOGGER, PAULABLOOM.COM: Well, it`s actually very interesting. I had a few thoughts. Number one, we were asking ourselves in perplex why would she be talking to the media? If this is true, if this analysis, this personality assessment from her friend is true, there`s your answer. She likes the attention.

I`m not saying that that`s what`s going on. But it could kind of give us a sense of why this might be going on. The other question I had is why doesn`t she have a driver`s license? Was it taken away? Does she have a history of DUIs?

All of those kind of things are ways that you support the belief and the idea that there`s a serious drinking problem here. So I`m kind of curious. Does anybody know about that with the driver`s license?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: She doesn`t have a driver`s license and we`re going to get to that in a second. But I want to ask you a follow-up. I found it peculiar that given that her precious child disappeared on her watch she was still defending her right to drink saying, Paula, I don`t see anything wrong with having a few drinks after I put the baby to sleep. I deserve to have some, quote-unquote, adult time. What does that sound like to you?

BLOOM: Well, I mean, listen, one of the core characteristics of people who have a problem is that they don`t think they have a problem and they want to justify it.

Listen, lots of people, lots of women, it`s very stressful to be a parent, come home, have a cocktail. Not saying that`s ideal. It`s not outside the realm. But this is a very different situation. Also, one of the tendencies of people who have substance abuse problems is blame everybody else but themselves. It`s a very common kind of thing.

And you know what --

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- often mix pills and alcohol.

BLOOM: Right. Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And they also don`t just have a glass of wine or two. They have five and I can tell you that from personal experience.

BLOOM: Right. Right. And one of the other things I wanted to say, Jane, though, is that like so many things in life, you know, often it`s not the crime that gets us in trouble, it`s the cover-up and that is very typical. You see that a lot with substance abuse, with lots of different things. It`s the cover-up of who we are and what we do that often brings more problems than the actual offense.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think you raise a very important point. And I`ve got to go back to Renee Rockwell.

I would mention it because I don`t know what the heck happened in that house, but the mother herself is telling "People" magazine that the cops have presented her with a theory that she accidentally harmed the child and then there was a cover-up.

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: That`s not a typical --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now it only makes sense because -- it only makes sense because when you`re drinking to the point where you`re blacked out, where you don`t remember whether you checked on a child at 10:30 isn`t it possible that you could have an accident?

ROCKWELL: It could and it could be possible, and they may be giving her an out. What if you had an accident and you just accidentally killed the baby, and now we`re looking for a baby that`s already dead?

Let me submit one other possibility. What if she sold this baby, OK, because of the financial problems. That is not a murder. That`s something else. So we don`t have to jump to the conclusions that she`s the one that killed this baby. There are other things that could have happened to this baby.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me say a couple of thing, Renee. First of all, Joe Tacopina is invited on. We would love to hear from him. We`d love to hear from these parents. I don`t want to jump to conclusions, certainly it`s very, very possible because it`s happened. It`s happened before.

Jessica Lunsford taken from her bedroom and brutally murdered. Elizabeth Smart taken from her bedroom. Thank god she`s safe and sound. But it has happened, even though it seems strange. There are a lot of sickos out there.

And even though this isn`t the normal age for somebody who`s a predator they usually aim for children, girls who are older. Who knows in this sick, crazy, mixed-up world with so many sickos out there, who might be out there.

I never want to presume that this mom has done this. But I think you`re raising some good point, Renee, in terms of talking about just in the realm of possibility because we`re talking about it to find this child.

Let`s go to the phones again. Denise, Maine, your question or thought, Denise.

DENISE, CALLER FROM MAINE: Hi, yes, I had similar question. I was wondering maybe because they were hard up for money if they sold the baby under the black market, or also I`m concerned about that dumpster fire that happened like 90 minutes before the call.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me go to Eleanor Odom, senior attorney, National District Attorneys Association. They`ve gotten in 500 tips and they`re following them but none of them have panned out at this point. I mean they thought they saw the child at a deli. It turned out two women just decided to leave with the baby before they finished their lunch and they created suspicion.

How do they look at other possibilities?

ELEANOR ODOM, SENIOR ATTORNEY, NATIONAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY`S ASSOCIATION, DEATH PENALTY QUALIFIED: Well, Jane, not only are they following up on these tips but they`re going to look -- that`s why they`ve gone back to the house and looking at everything.

OK, let`s say she sold her baby. Well, we`re following up on the tips of sightings of this child. That hadn`t panned out but what they did find was something of evidentiary value in the house. So what does that tell us? Something probably happened in the house.

Statistically we also know that when children are physically abused and killed, and/or killed that a lot of times it happens when there is a new change in schedule. For example, mom goes back to work for the

first time or a caregiver is in charge. In this case, dad had an unusual job and was working overnight for the first time. So it`s something to consider.

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JOE GOMEZ, REPORTER, KTRH RADIO: Mommy did have a full box of wine. Perhaps she didn`t know at what point or where she put the baby.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And the mom came back with the wine. The dad left for work for his very first overnight shift and that`s when she sat on the front porch step and drank all the wine with her neighbor.

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GRACE: Cops have swooped back down on the family home, the socalled crime scene pursuit to a search warrant.

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: They swarmed to the wooded area right by the home. There was a no-fly zone. There were CSI truck, technicians out there.

GOMEZ: They`re going to go through the house with a fine-tooth comb. They are looking for any evidence that someone forcibly entered that house. They are looking for hair and fiber evidence.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Law enforcement officials are doing due diligence in this case. It`s a very sensitive matter.

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: It`s absolutely unbelievable because what they`re trying to do is establish the time lines so that they can launch a viable investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What she said is basically that the police were trying to trick her into admitting that she had done something to her daughter.

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The mother, Deborah, Bradley, decided to do some media interviews and start talking about this being trunk.

JAMIE, CALLER FROM ALABAMA: Right now I really want to believe the parents but as days go by it`s just not happening.

KATHRYN SMERLING, PH.D., PSYCHOLOGIST: In this case, the parents are not particularly sophisticated parent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s not castigate her. We know she made some mistakes.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jane Velez-Mitchell in tonight for Nancy Grace.

Where is this beautiful, adorable, helpless -- emphasis on helpless -child? She disappeared about 17 days ago. Now the parents say they`ll do anything to find her. But the cops are saying the one thing they really need the parents to do, they`re not doing.

Straight out to NANCY GRACE producer, Matt Zarrell. What do you know?

ZARRELL: OK, Jane, what happened is that initially within a couple of days of the disappearance the parents were cooperating. Everything was fine. Now cops confirm that on October 8th, Deborah Bradley, the mother, stopped the questioning and reportedly would not talk anymore without an attorney present.

Since that time police say that the parents have not submitted to questioning to answer questions that only they might know. The only thing that they`ve been able to talk to them about is to clarify tips but they haven`t been able to wash out the things that they need to wash out with them.

That`s been -- we`re at over a week now where the parents have not cooperated. We know that the parents have reportedly submitted air samples but we don`t know what else they`ve committed to beside allowing the -- allowing the cops to search the home. Right now they`re not talking to police.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And apparently now that the cops have done this very extensive search of the home that lasted 17 hours, I understand,

Jim Spellman, CNN correspondent, who was live on the scene, the parents are able to come back. Have you seen any sign of them?

SPELLMAN: Have not seen any sign of them but the police here do tell us that they`re free to come back since right after this happened they`ve been staying with relatives a few miles away. Not sure why they`re staying there and not here. There`s equal -- the media over there as well, too. So it`s not like they have any privacy there but they have been over there almost this entire time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, RadarOnline, here`s the problem. The mother you`re looking at there who`s crying and crying but she`s got inconsistencies in her statement and the cops would like to clarify those inconsistencies. And they can`t get her to sit down.

And the husband says he insists that he be interviewed with the mother present. So isn`t that kind of a catch-22, Alexis?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: Yes, it really is and you`re absolutely right. And the one thing is, he`s not her husband so it`s a little strange that if, you know, with --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I say husband but you`re right.

TERESZCUK: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: She`s got another husband. She`s got another husband who is off in the army somewhere, but this is the man she lives with. I don`t know if she`s lived with him long enough to be a common-law husband. No, because that would be polygamy. She just lives with him. And they -- together they had this child. You are right. Continue.

TERESZCUK: Well, what I was going to say is there`s not spousal protection because they`re not married if it winds up in court. But the thing is she says -- well, she started off in a market buying wine at 5:00 p.m. The dad was watching the baby at home. He leaves about 5:45 to go to work for the very first time for the overnight.

She then says she puts the baby to bed 6:30. She doesn`t mention anything about the drinking on the wine -- drinking of the wine on the front porch but she says she checks the baby about 10:30. Goes to bed, everything is fine. Three, four, five days later her story changes, that`s when she says, I really had so much wine, I don`t remember what I did, and I don`t even know if I checked the baby. I don`t know if I turned off the lights or not.

The neighbor actually contradicts that story and said she left at 10:30 after they had all the wine and she saw the lights go off in the house. So the cops are really confused. They want to get to the bottom of this but she`s refusing to talk to them anymore.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think the big question is, did she really forget because she was drunk and doesn`t know what happened in which case she may be telling the truth because little shards of memory may be coming back to her or is she using the wine as a cover-up to pretend that she doesn`t remember when she really does and doesn`t

want to reveal what she remembers?

Nancy, Pennsylvania -- we`re going out to the phones again. Nancy, Pennsylvania, your question or thought, Nancy.

NANCY, CALLER FROM PENNSYLVANIA: Hi, Jane. It`s so nice to speak to you. And as always you look lovely.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you. You too. Thank you.

NANCY: The question that I have is, have they questioned the children in the family, especially the older ones? Because if you remember in the Elizabeth Smart case, the younger sibling actually provided some information, and I`m wondering if that`s why the family doesn`t want the police to talk to the other kids because they may have seen something or --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Excellent point. Excellent point. This is what gets me.

Jim Spellman, spell it out for us. The cops are being kept away from the two boys, the two older boys who were in the house. How old are they exactly? I`ve heard conflicting reports on that and when is the last time cops were able to talk to them?

SPELLMAN: We believe that they`re 8 and 6 years old. Both are boys, half brothers both of baby Lisa. It was early in the investigation was the last time police were able to interview them and they would love to interview them because if mom is blacked out with the neighbor on the stoop and then god knows what happens after she leaves with the

neighbor, then these two boys could be the best source of information of all that`s going on in that house if mom was drunk and blacked out.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to go back to Dr. Vincent Dimaio, former chief medical examiner and the significance of the giant carpet they brought out. Of all the things, that was one that wasn`t in bags because it was so big it couldn`t be hidden in a bag so we got to see it. What do you think they`re looking for in that carpet specifically?

DR. VINCENT DIMAIO, M.D., FORMER CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER, BEXAR COUNTY, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST (via phone): The only thing I could think of would be blood, because, you know, the trace evidence would be all from the parents and the people who are living there so they would be looking for blood, either the child`s blood or somebody else`s blood.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But, Dr. Dimaio, would they be able to -- let`s say something was there. Given that the child disappeared 17 days ago and the family had been in there, I`m not suggesting they did clean something up but hypothetically speaking could they have removed blood? Could blood be removed or will you always see some sign of it?

DIMAIO: OK, you can remove the visible part. But what happens is it seeps into the weave of the carpet. And most people think they`ve removed it but it`s still there. A lot of times it seeps into the back portion. And so you look at it, you don`t see anything. But then when you use chemicals to make it appear, then you can go look for it. Because don`t forget with DNA now, you can use such small amounts, you can analyze for it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Couldn`t they have done that with Luminal testing inside the home? Why do you think they removed the carpet?

DIMAIO: Well, maybe because they got a positive Luminal. You see the thing with Luminal It could tell them it may be blood, but they would have to do the analysis to positively identify the blood. So the best thing to do is if you got a positive Luminal would be to take the rug to the laboratory.

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DEBORAH BRADLEY, MISSING 10-MONTH-OLD INFANT`S MOTHER: I`m terrified. But I`m trying to be hopeful.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) and his 10-month-old daughter is missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a stranger breaking into the house, taking baby Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Back to ground zero as far as --

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LAUREN LAKE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Now that she has a lawyer, she can tell her full story. She can say what she was scared to say in the beginning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s concerning that she has no remorse or thinking that she`s done something wrong.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So in this case you use extraordinary circumstances because of the fact that we`re talking about a baby here.

LAKE: I know people want to completely villainize this woman.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And she also has no remorse over the fact that she clearly is telling a different story now.

LAKE: Because she did things that we think are irresponsible, maybe immoral.

WOODY TRIPP, FORMER POLICE COMMANDER, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Courts have said, we can use lying, trickery when it comes to interviewing suspects.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where is baby Lisa? We`re being told by the attorney for the family that cops have taken the computer hard drives out of the home from which this precious child disappeared.

Straight out to CW Jensen, retired Portland police captain. What are they going to do with those hard drives?

JENSEN: Well, they`re going to give it to a forensic expert to look at those things, to see just like in the Casey Anthony case where there were searches for chloroform and different things. They`re going to want to see if she made searches like where would you get rid of a body or where is a -- you know, a dump around the area, things like that. They`re going to look at everything, any e-mail she did, everything she did on that computer.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. And Renee Rockwell, defense attorney, I think that the image that sticks with me is that carpet being removed from the home. That`s a big carpet.

ROCKWELL: It is -- and Jane --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You just heard that there`s got to be a reason that they wanted to analyze that. Go ahead.

ROCKWELL: Or to have the carpet so that it doesn`t get mysteriously replaced in the meantime. Now that carpet right there that you`re looking at could have somebody else`s DNA in it. Or let`s say they sat her down and interrogate her, and said, when was the last time you shampooed that carpet? And she said well, I`ve never shampooed it, and then they find that the carpet was shampooed. That, too, can be used.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. Great analysis. Thank you so much to all of our guests tonight.

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, the heartland. A 10- month-old baby sleeping in a crib just feet away from her own mother, Daddy on the night shift, goes missing without a trace, front door unlocked, front window open, every cell phone gone.

Grainy surveillance video emerges, Mommy shopping with a mystery man hours before baby Lisa vanishes. What does she buy? Baby food and a big box of wine. Mommy admits she was knocked out drunk when the baby goes missing.

Mommy changes the story. Now she says she sees baby Lisa at 6:40 PM, not 10:30, costing cops a full four hours. Cops say Mommy and Daddy avoiding investigators for days, refusing to answer questions. A 17-hour raid goes into the night. FBI and cops X-ray walls, floorboards, pipes in the family home, then comb every inch of the house and yard, seizing bags of evidence, including carpet.

Bombshell tonight. Three separate witnesses claim they see baby Lisa the morning she vanishes. A mystery man spotted with a baby girl resembling Lisa wearing only a diaper, 45 degrees outside, no blanket, no coat. Is this 10-month-old baby Lisa?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Eleven-month-old Lisa Irwin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If she was to have been taken out of the house at night, this is almost pitch black.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A neighbor saw a man walking in the neighborhood with a baby around 12:30 Tuesday morning.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was her father who had discovered her missing, came home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The front door was unlocked.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER: Like they just walked in and just disappeared!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police showed up here two or three cars at a time, barring access from the family into baby Lisa`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police looked in a wooded area near the home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is dense woods. It`s hard to even walk through it when it gets into this heavily wooded area. And they`ve been going literally inch by inch down here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mom has gotten drunk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If she was so drunk, it is possible that if someone were to break into the house, she wouldn`t have heard it if she was blacked out.

GRACE: How much of that big honkin` box of wine the mom bought was recovered?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re optimistic that she`s still out there and still alive.

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GRACE: And tonight, season 13, "Dancing With the Stars." Emmy TV host, celebrity style (INAUDIBLE) contestant, my friend, Carson Cressley with us, season 13, international movie star, Elisabetta Canalis, 13 pro, Tony (ph), season 8 contestant, reality star Melissa Rycroft (ph), long- time dancing pro Editta (ph), and my partner, Tristan, all taking your calls.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nancy and Tristan, you`re safe!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We hoped that we would still be safe.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you know, it just wasn`t -- we didn`t have a great dance and we -- you know, someone had to go home, so it was us.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re always scared. You never know who`s

going to go home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, we`ve seen...

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`ve seen, like, some of the best dancers leave the competition. So you -- you just don`t know what`s ever going to happen in this!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You never know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You never know. He was holding his fingers in a crossed position.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was. I was like this. I was like this over her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re thankful we`re still here. And now it`s Broadway week next week, so it should be interesting.

GRACE: I`ve been teaching Tristan how to dance now for a month.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. A 10-month-old baby girl sleeping in a crib just a few feet from her own mother goes missing without a trace. In the last hours, three separate witnesses claim they see baby Lisa wearing nothing but diapers the very morning she vanishes.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From sunup to sundown of this intense searching, they`re focused on using X-ray equipment.

BRADLEY: Just drop her off anywhere! We don`t care!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can make it through this public area with this small creek and go all the way up to baby Lisa`s back yard and out again without going near the front of anybody`s house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A dumpster fire near the Irwin home was reported at 2:34 AM Tuesday morning.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a dumpster on fire at the (INAUDIBLE) townhouses.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 4:00 AM, Jeremy Irwin calls 911 to report his 10- month-old baby daughter, Lisa, was missing from her crib.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 4:00 o`clock in the morning, 45 degrees, baby don`t have a blanket, a coat nor nothing, and this guy`s walking down the street. I thought it was kind of weird.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was shocking because I couldn`t imagine anybody outside walking with their baby in the cold like that with no clothes on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was about 5-7, 5-8, 140, 150 pounds, kind of maybe late 30s, early 40s.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And this baby seemed to be about the same age?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Looked like it to me, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Same age, same size.

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GRACE: Everybody, you`re seeing video from ABC`s "Good Morning America" of an eyewitness who claims to have seen baby Lisa the morning she vanishes. We are live in the heartland and taking your calls. Tonight, bombshell developments.

Let`s go straight out to Jim Spellman, CNN correspondent joining us

there at the family home.

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we now know what got them that search warrant. On Monday, we saw a much smaller search here at the home of baby Lisa, including with dogs. We weren`t sure exactly what the dogs were doing. We now know from the affidavit that`s been released by the court that those were cadaver dogs, and they got what they call a positive hit for an area near the mother`s bed.

GRACE: Oh!

SPELLMAN: Tuesday they went to court, got a search warrant based on that, and as soon as they got that, police cars showed up here to block the family from entering the house. That was a condition of the search warrant.

Then on Wednesday, they spent all day, 17 hours, intensely searching this, including using X-ray equipment that can be used to look inside walls, through floorboards. And they searched a large area behind the house. Police even asked her why she didn`t -- the mother, Deborah Bradley -- why she didn`t look in the back yard behind the shed. She said she was afraid of what she might find.

We`re going to get a lot more detail from this affidavit, but this is really a huge change in this case, that a cadaver dog got a positive hit near Deborah Bradley`s bed. We don`t know exactly what that means. There could be other reasons for it. But that`s definitely one of the key elements propelling this investigation forward right now.

GRACE: Everybody, we are talking your calls. Take a look at baby Lisa.

The investigation now takes a hairpin turn, a 90-degree turn in another direction. A 17-hour raid goes down on the family home into the wee hours, where cops even take X-rays of pipes, floorboards there in the family home. And this as three separate sightings emerge. All three sound incredibly similar.

Back to Jim Spellman, joining us there at the Irwin home. Possible sightings of baby Lisa -- what do you know?

SPELLMAN: That`s right, Nancy. The first one happened less than a block away from the Irwin home here when a couple reported seeing a man about late 30s, early 40s carrying a baby matching baby Lisa`s description, without any warm clothes on, just a diaper.

Then several hours later, three miles away from here, a man coming home from working his own night shift on a motorcycle sees a person of the same description also carrying a baby. He said he would have even offered to give them a ride if he wasn`t on his motorcycle. We know that investigators have interviewed them several times, trying to find leads to see where that will lead. That could be the strongest leads that they seem to have away from the family at this moment, Nancy.

GRACE: Let`s go through the timeline. We`ve got three separate witnesses stating they see baby Lisa around the time she goes missing. What time were the three sightings, Jim?

SPELLMAN: The first sighting is about half past midnight. The second sighting is around 4:00 AM, three miles away from here, Nancy. We know that around 4:00 AM...

GRACE: I`m sorry. I -- hold on, Jim.

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GRACE: I`m sorry, Jim. Jim, I`ve got New York talking in my ear. One is at 12:30 AM. When was the second one?

SPELLMAN: About 4:00 AM.

GRACE: 4:00 AM. OK, hold on right there. Hold on. The 12:30 AM, Jim Spellman, the baby was sighted where?

SPELLMAN: Just about a block away from baby Lisa`s home.

GRACE: OK. OK. The 4:00 AM sighting, where did that witness place the baby?

SPELLMAN: Three miles away from baby Lisa`s home.

GRACE: So in about four hours, they`ve gone three miles away. And what about the third sighting, Jim Spellman?

SPELLMAN: It was only two sightings by three people.

GRACE: I see.

SPELLMAN: The first sighting at around 12:30 was a couple that saw this man together.

GRACE: You know what? That adds a lot of credibility to that sighting, Jim, because you`ve got two independent people seeing the very same thing. Not that the third sighting is less credible. It just bolsters that first sighting at 12:30 AM.

Where was it three miles away? Was it at a mall, a grocery store, a parking lot, the side of the street, a bus stop? Where were they spotted at 4:00 AM?

SPELLMAN: It was near an exit to one of the interstates in the area. There are many that converge right around here. And it was a man coming home, riding his motorcycle from working the night shift. It stuck out to him in this cold weather, which you definitely would notice on a motorcycle, in the 40s, a man carrying a baby without a blanket or a covering.

GRACE: Straight to Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter Radaronline.com. What do you make of it, Alexis?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: Well, Nancy, the thing is, while these witnesses are just being found by us now, the police have known about them for -- since the beginning of the investigation. This neighbor couple called them the very next morning. This man reported this a week later.

But just two days ago, the police spent 17-hours in the parents` home. So they know about this, but they`re still really focusing on evidence that they can find in the parents` home.

GRACE: Good point, Alexis. And to Michelle Golland,, psychologist, expert on Momlogic.com. Still, the cops have to continue focusing on what they know about what happened in the home itself, specifically Mommy. You can`t lose sight of that avenue of investigation, either, Michelle.

MICHELLE GOLLAND, PSYCHOLOGIST: Right. And I think there is a huge concern, the fact of her drinking, Nancy, the fact that she did not disclose that right away, and the fact that she`s keeping the other older children at this point away from the police. We know that if they heard things -- they are 8 and 6, I believe -- they are big enough to have memories of that and give information. And it`s very suspicious.

GRACE: Matt Zarrell, other than his height, what do we know? Is he white? Is he Hispanic? Is he Asian? Is he African-American? What was he wearing? Which way was he going? How was he holding the baby? Was he holding the baby normally like a father or a relative would, or was he holding the baby out like that, like he didn`t know what he was doing? What do we know? What can you tell me about this guy, Matt Zarrell?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: OK, what we know is, is that we do not know his race. We do know he was wearing a T-shirt that exposed his arms. He was holding the baby with both arms. You could see that the baby`s body parts were exposed to the elements. And that`s one thing that caused him to be alarmed. He then called cops. He didn`t call cops until a week later, took him a week before he put two and two together. So we wonder what was missed in that week?

GRACE: Everyone, three sightings emerge on baby Lisa the night she disappears -- not one, two, but three sightings. The investigation into

the search (SIC) of 10-month-old baby girl takes a hairpin turn. We are taking your calls live there in Kansas City.

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GRACE: Cops have swooped back down on the family home, the socalled crime scene, pursuant to a search warrant.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What she said is basically that the police were trying to trick her into admitting that she had done something her to her daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The people who are going to find your child is law enforcement. That`s your best bet.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And that`s when she got so angry, she decided that she didn`t want to continue the line of conversation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re not talking to them.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What continually bothers us is the monotone voice, which is his baseline.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s when we realized she was gone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And that is his normal, but it feels to us that it has such a lack of emotion in it. That makes us feel uncomfortable.

GRACE: You see the neighborhood, a quiet family residential area. Nothing like this has ever happened there before.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you pretty convinced that it was the person, the baby?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I am. 4:00 o`clock in the morning, 45 degrees, the baby don`t have a blanket, a coat or nothing. And this guy`s walking down the street. I thought it was kind of weird.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did he look like, if you were to try and give a description?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About 5-7, 5-8, 140, 150 pounds, kind of maybe late 30s, early 40s.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And this baby seemed to be about the same age?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Looked like it to me, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, same age, same size.

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GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. Let`s go out to Marcia out in Alabama. Hi, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nancy, thanks for dancing for the children first, and thanks for taking my call.

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now, my question is...

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... is it possible that baby Lisa was given some of that wine to sedate her? How much wine would it take to be lethal for a 10-month-old baby?

GRACE: Good question, Marcia in Alabama. You`ve covered -- you`ve taken one of my questions one step further. I`ve been trying to find out from the get-go exactly how much of that big box of wine was left. A lot of my questions were answered when the mom says she was knocked out cold drunk. But good question.

Let`s go to Dr. Bill Manion, medical examiner joining us from Mount Holly. Dr. Manion, thank you for being with us. If you got a 10-monthold baby girl -- I`m estimating her weight to be not really more than 11 or 12 pounds max -- what about wine?

DR. BILL MANION, MEDICAL EXAMINER, NJ (via telephone): Her weight may have been -- I think in one article, they said her weight was 20 pounds...

GRACE: Yes, you know what? It`s 26.

MANION: ... or 26 pounds.

GRACE: You`re right.

MANION: OK. A 160-pound person, if they drink, I would say, four glasses of wine in one hour, they might reach an intoxication level of . 1. Now, if a child is only one eighth of that, you could reach an intoxication level of, you know, very -- a weight of only one eighth of that, you could reach a .8, so I would probably off the top of my head -- probably three or four glasses of wine would be -- you know, would be enough depress -- to get to .3 or .35, and that would depress respiration and could essentially kill an infant. So it`s possible.

GRACE: And Dr. Manion, how common is it that people use wine or alcohol to get children to go to sleep?

MANION: Not very common. Not in my experience. I haven`t personally had any cases, have not heard of any cases. They may use, you know, medications, a sleeping pill or something, but not wine, not wine or alcohol. The children may not like to drink the wine. It may be offensive to them. The taste may be sour, and they may not like to drink it.

GRACE: This little girl missing from her own crib, tip line 816-474-

8477. There`s over a $100,000 reward. We are live on the scene and taking your calls.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Deborah Bradley, who admits she was drinking the night Lisa vanished and possibly even blacked out.

GRACE: The family has been booted. They cannot come back into the home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The community coming together.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re just hoping for a tip that somebody somewhere finds her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is the baby?

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BRADLEY: Please! Bring her home!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A neighbor told Fox 4 news off camera she saw a man walking in the neighborhood with a baby around 12:30 Tuesday morning.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A day of intense searching here at baby Lisa`s house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search at baby Lisa`s home went to the back yard.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m actually standing up on a hillside overlooking the back yard right now.

BRADLEY: Our two other boys are waiting for her! Please! Just drop her off anywhere!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was shocking because I couldn`t imagine anybody outside walking with their baby in the cold like that with no clothes on. We seen her -- the little arm, and then the leg was right here. So the parts of the body we seen, it didn`t look like the baby had on any clothes at all, just a diaper.

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GRACE: That is video from ABC`s "Good Morning America." It`s an eyewitness who claims to have seen baby Lisa the morning she disappears from her crib.

We are taking your calls. Unleash the lawyers. Joining us today, San

Francisco, famed defense attorney Daniel Horowitz, Randy Kessler, defense attorney, Atlanta.

What do you make of these sightings, Daniel?

DANIEL HOROWITZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, I hope you give me an eight for this answer. I think that it`s peculiar that a baby has only a diaper. Normally, unless the mother`s drunk, even in the crib, the baby will have clothing on. So why is this man walking with a baby just in a diaper?

It makes me wonder if the report is entirely accurate. But we sure hope it is because as Marc Klaas will tell us, a baby would normally will be killed, if she`s going to be killed, very quickly after being kidnapped. If she`s alive hours later, we have a chance to get her back safely.

GRACE: What about it, counselor?

RANDY KESSLER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think, you know, for all the cases you`ve covered, this is manna from heaven. You have not just one witness but two witnesses, the cops have to be all over this. I mean, this is great stuff. It`s a start.

GRACE: You know, it is a start, but it`s like a needle in a haystack.

To Detective Lieutenant Steve Rogers from Nutley Police Department, former member, FBI. Steve, number one, the statistical likelihood that this baby is connected, in my mind, is very high if the sightings are as the people think they are because you`ve got -- I don`t know how

they would know it was a baby girl, but you`ve got a man with a baby very close to baby Lisa`s home from neighbors in the neighborhood. Obviously, they didn`t know baby Lisa. But statistically, who else could it be? Then a similar sighting four miles away.

Weigh in, Detective.

DET. LT. STEVEN ROGERS, NUTLEY, NJ, POLICE DEPARTMENT: Yes, yes, you`re right, Nancy. This is certainly something that the police are going to have to work on. But they`re going to have to build a timeline now between the first sighting at 12:30 and the second sighting at 4:00 o`clock. What happened, and where were they in that three-anda-half-hour period?

GRACE: But Detective, also, how can we ignore all the evidence regarding the mom?

ROGERS: Well, that`s true, too. The police will always zero in on what we call ground zero, the center of gravity, the family. They won`t give up on that.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, GUEST HOST: Breaking news tonight out of America`s heartland in the search for 10-month-old baby Lisa, reported missing from her own crib in the dead of night, the baby`s father working the night shift, the mother the last person to see baby Lisa alive.

Bombshell developments. By the minute, as we learn just how investigators were able to get a search warrant resulting in that 17hour raid at baby Lisa`s home, it`s revealed cadaver dogs pick up the scent of a dead body in the parents` room on the floor right next to the bed. This as we obtain surveillance video of a mystery man coming out of the woods near a gas station less than two miles from baby Lisa`s home. The sighting is at about 2:15 AM the very night the 10month-old vanishes.

Tonight, where is baby Lisa?

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DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER: Our two other boys are waiting for her! Please!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The man was walking up this hill. People come from time to time. There`s graffiti here. You can see this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was over here at this window.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The baby`s mother, Deborah Bradley, was the last person to see Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why are we focusing on Debbie?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was just kind of looking down in the bushes, and the next thing you know, we seen a gentleman walking up the

street carrying a baby.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) kind of satanic symbol, a pentagram, here KCK (ph), some profanity...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And then he had the baby in his arms and he had the baby`s head kind of like this. So we could kind of seen the baby`s arm and then the leg was down here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... freak for life, RIP...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Admits she was drinking the night Lisa vanished and possibly even blacked out.

BRADLEY: Just somewhere safe where she can come home! Please!

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, in tonight for Nancy Grace. New developments in the search for 10-month-old baby Lisa, reported missing from her own crib.

Straight out to CNN correspondent Sandra Endo, live at the crime scene in Kansas City, Missouri. Sandra, what is the very latest from the crime scene?

SANDRA ENDO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Jane, I can tell you that right now, there are some individuals in front of the home. They have

been holding vigils every night here. But the big one was Sunday, and that is when we saw an emotional Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin return to this home where the baby disappeared from, and that`s when we saw them break down in tears after the community, the neighborhood came together to pray for baby Lisa`s return.

Now, also in the investigation, new details about this surveillance video, as you`ve been talking about, showing an unidentified person walking at 2:15 in the morning just a mile-and-a-half from this home. And it could be a possible link to witness testimony saying that some people claim they saw a man walking in the dark, carrying a baby the night of baby Lisa`s disappearance -- Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we`ve got various reports claiming that some mystery man was walking around, holding a baby in his arms.

I want to go straight out to an exclusive interview that we have tonight with -- she`s only going by the name Lisa, and she claims that she saw a man with a baby resembling this precious, beautiful missing child the very night that the child disappeared.

Lisa, thank you so much for joining us. What did you see, and exactly what time did you see it?

LISA, WITNESS (via telephone): It was 12:15 that morning, and my husband was leaving for work. And normally, he`ll just get in the car and just take off to go to work. So it kind of caught my eye that he was standing out there and just kind of looking at something. Next thing you know, we did see a gentleman appear walking up the street, kind of in the middle of the street, and carrying an infant or a baby.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, here`s my question. If I were with a baby that I shouldn`t have, which I never hope to be in that situation, obviously, but just from a sheer human standpoint, you`d think that somebody doing something wrong would hide, not walk down the street and just have the baby in his arms, like, Oh, I`m just walking down the street with a baby.

It`s obviously wrong because it was something like 45 degrees out that night and he`s walking with a baby that does not have any clothes on except for a diaper. So right there, he`s doing something wrong.

Lisa, did he seem like he was hiding at all or that he was being in any way defensive?

LISA: No. The gentleman we saw, he wasn`t doing anything suspicious. He just was kind of walking at a normal pace. He wasn`t, like, looking around or anything. He kind of just was looking straight ahead and just kept walking. But he wasn`t acting like he was hiding anything or anything of that sort.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did he seem drunk?

LISA: No, not really.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Was there anything about him that seemed suspicious? I mean, it`s obviously suspicious if it`s 45 degrees, it`s nighttime, and you`re walking around with a baby who doesn`t have clothes. Do you think that -- and I hesitate to ask this question because we don`t want this to be the outcome, but did the baby look like the child might possibly be deceased?

LISA: We really couldn`t tell. I was standing inside my home and my husband was standing out by the vehicle. My husband said he didn`t hear any noises, like, coming from the baby or anything like that. But you know, we really are not for sure about that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, stand by, Lisa. Thank you for sharing what you`ve seen. It`s important to have witnesses.

I want to go to Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline. Lay out for us, the timeline. Now we have various witnesses seeing a man with a baby and we have this surveillance video at the gas station. Give us the timeline. Put it together for us.

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: Well, I`m actually going to start about 5:00 o`clock. Deborah was spotted in a grocery store with her brother. That`s where she bought the box of wine. She goes home. According to her story, at about 6:40 PM, she put baby Lisa down to bed.

Now, her story changed a little bit. She said at one point, about 10:30 PM she checked on the baby, but she`s since changed that story. So her friend who was there drinking the wine with her leaves the house, goes home across the street, notices from her own home that Deborah turns out the lights in her home. Deborah goes to sleep.

Her husband comes home from his very first overnight shift at work about 3:50 AM, notices the house is in disarray, the lights are on, the door is open, the screen is pushed in, the baby is missing. He calls 911.

Back it up just a little while. This neighbor, Lisa, at about 12:15 AM had seen the baby and the -- the man with the baby. The following day, they call the police. So there`s already one sighting of a man with a baby.

Another sighting was at about 2:00 AM at a gas station. There`s a man who said that he saw a man carrying a baby on the side of the freeway near a ramp to the interstate. And he said this is very unusual. It`s the middle of the night. The baby doesn`t really have any clothes on. He said he wanted to stop and ask them if they needed a ride, but he was on a motorcycle. Took about a week to report this to the police.

These are multiple sightings of something -- of the baby, possibly, who was missing this whole time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And now we have some breaking news just in, which I find pretty extraordinary, out of Kansas City, Missouri, where this is all going down, KCTV reporting that a reporter spoke to Deborah Bradley, the mother, and asked her why they would not talk to local reporters. And Deborah replied, according to this news outlet, quote, "because we are grieving," end quote. "Because we are grieving," end quote.

Woodrow Tripp, former police commander, polygraph expert, what do you make of that comment?

WOODROW TRIPP, FMR. POLICE COMMANDER, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: That`s very strange because she`s talking now in the past tense of a human being. That`s very concerning when someone starts to refer in the past tense of a person, "we`re grieving," where they are convinced that the child is no longer here.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you think it could have been a slip, as they say, a Freudian slip, or just a slip?

TRIPP: I don`t know, Jane. That`s -- you know, as we look at this and as -- you know, as an investigator, you know, we analyze these things, you know, what people say, the body language, the whole Freudian slips. "We`re grieving," certainly, it could be, based upon, you know, her background, education, to her, that would be the appropriate thing to say. But it would certainly be something that would raise our attention.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. There she is with her husband and they`re wearing T-shirts that say "Kidnapped," the T-shirts say "Kidnapped." But presumably, Ellyn Gamberg, psychotherapist -- and we certainly hope that the child is found alive. There -- we don`t have any independent confirmation that the child is deceased.

What do you make of the mother telling this reporter she`s not going to talk to local reporters "because we are grieving"?

ELLYN GAMBERG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: I think, Jane, that what she is grieving right now could be that she`s going through this entire process. She`s grieving the loss, the inquisition. She`s grieving the entire process. It doesn`t necessarily mean the loss of the baby, she`s grieving that she has to go through this as part it, as well. Very possibly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And I will say that quite often, when somebody is missing, we have to caution people not to refer to them in the past tense. There is that sort of tendency to do that just almost more of a syntax mistake than anybody assuming that the person is deceased.

So we certainly don`t want to draw conclusions from it, but it is quite interesting that she used that terminology.

OK, out to the phone lines. This case -- boy, the phone calls are adding up. They`re piling up. We`re going start with the first one, Marie, Texas. Your question or thought, Marie.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have a few questions, but they`ve answered some of them. It was her brother that was with her at the store. And was it a male or female that came over and drank with her? Could it be her brother that was carrying the baby later that night?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m going to put that one out to Sandra Endo. What do you know? Does he have an alibi?

ENDO: Well, what we know right now, Jane, in terms of the investigation, authorities don`t want to really confirm a lot of the minutiae, those details that so many of us are eager to know. But what we know is that Deborah Bradley did go to the grocery store. Her brother drove her that night. And from all accounts, he just dropped her off here after getting groceries. That`s when she went back inside the house. And as we know the timeline, she told investigators that`s when she put the baby to bed and she went out to drink.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. We have more on that because he`s wearing a dark T-shirt, not a light T-shirt. So we`ll analyze that in a second.

Meantime, it`s season 13 of "Dancing With the Stars" and our very own Nancy Grace is dancing for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. It is Broadway week, and tonight Nancy is doing the foxtrot. So be sure to vote. You can vote multiple times for Nancy and her amazing dancing partner, Tristan MacManus. Everybody here at the NANCY GRACE show says, Good luck, Nancy. You can win this thing! We know you can.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No one really knows what baby Lisa`s parents have gone through.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think in every way, they`ve acted like innocent people.

BRADLEY: Please, please, please call the tips hotline if you know where she`s at!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This video taken from a gas station near the home where baby Lisa was last seen shows an unidentified person walking along the road around 2:15 AM October 4th. Lisa was reported missing just hours later.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We seen a gentleman walking up the street, carrying a baby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was wearing, like, a dark-colored pants and what we believe was a T-shirt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) believes police remain stuck on a theory that Deborah Bradley had something to do with her daughter`s disappearance.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He had the baby in his arms, and he had the baby`s head kind of like this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stranger abductions are rare.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The gas station owner say it`s very unusual to see somebody walking around the street at that hour.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Strangers do take children, and I think a stranger did it here.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jane Velez-Mitchell, in for Nancy Grace tonight. Where is baby Lisa? We now have several witnesses who are saying they saw a mystery man walking around with a baby in the dead of night, the very night this precious child disappeared.

Now, the farthest sighting was about three miles away from the home, so I want to go out to Tracy Sargent, canine search, rescue and recovery specialist. What do authorities do with that information?

Because this area, the last sighting at 4:00 AM, is a very remote area. There`s just a bunch of intersection, sort of a freeway. What do they do with that?

TRACY SARGENT, CANINE SEARCH, RESCUE & RECOVERY SPECIALIST: Yes. In this particular case, dogs are an ideal resource to check because you`ve got thick wooded areas, a large area. Dogs can check that area and clear it much more effectively than what people can.

Also they can -- they`re scent dogs, so they can determine if the scent of Lisa or possibly this gentleman is in the area. And dogs can determine if there`s been any people in the area and even specific people in the area. They can do that much more quickly and much more effectively and efficiently than people can.

So the fact that, one, is there something in that area that we`re looking for, the dogs willow locate for us? And secondly, they can clear these areas and say what we`re looking for is not in this area. They can eliminate it and move on to an area that they can, hopefully, find what they`re looking for.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, you`re looking at exclusive footage from ABC`s "Good Morning America" of the Bradley home, the home -- the Irwin home -- it`s Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, the two of them live together at this home. And a cadaver dog hit right around there in the bedroom of the mother of the missing child, OK? And she had more than five glasses of wine that night and also reportedly had some anti-anxiety meds. She doesn`t remember what the heck happened, according to her. That`s what she`s saying, anyway. And she says she passed out and went to sleep.

And now the cadaver dog has hit, according to cops, right there, where you`re looking. But here`s what I find very odd, Paul Batista, defense

attorney. They did not cut out the carpet there. As you can see, it does not appear that authorities cut out the carpet at the very location where the cadaver dog hit. You`d think that`d be the first thing that they would do.

Oh, by the way, there`s the bottle of wine, the box that she -- I say bottle of wine, but it`s actually technically a box of wine that she guzzled that night.

Paul Batista, why do you think they didn`t cut out that carpet?

PAUL BATISTA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, they may not have any confidence in the dog. Cadaver dogs, Jane, are notoriously inaccurate. And it may well be, if they didn`t cut out that section of the carpet, that they -- that they doubt the authenticity of the hit.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And now Midwin Charles, defense attorney, what I wonder is -- well, OK, the cadaver dog hits on the bedroom where the mother says she`s passed out, but there is no cadaver dog hit on a vehicle because quite often, that`s usually what`s found in pairs, a cadaver dog hit on the home and then in a vehicle belonging to whoever owns the home.

But in this case, you have a mystery man walking around with a baby in the dead of night. Could this be a conspiracy? Could several people potentially be involved in this case?

MIDWIN CHARLES, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, it`s possible, Jane. I mean, I haven`t seen any evidence that suggests that. But going back to your question about the cadaver dogs. Let`s remember evidence that cadaver dogs pick up, or hits or scents, could have been

there for years. You know, they have this ability to pick up this scent that has been there for years.

But it doesn`t mean much if there is nothing else to corroborate that scent, if there`s no other evidence found to indicate that it means anything. So I don`t know if there`s a conspiracy going on here. There`s been no evidence of that.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The investigation is focused on finding that baby. Time is so crucial here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trying to find baby Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can`t take anyone off the table as a possible suspect.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now that she has a lawyer, she can tell her full story. She can say what she was scared to say in the beginning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s concerning that she has no remorse or thinking that she`s done something wrong.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In this case, you use extraordinary circumstances because of the fact that we`re talking about a baby here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know people want to completely villainize this woman.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And she also has no remorse over the fact that she clearly is telling a different story now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because she did things that we think are irresponsible, maybe immoral.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Courts have said we can use lying, trickery when it comes to interviewing suspects.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jane Velez-Mitchell, in for Nancy Grace tonight. Where is this adorable child, who disappeared when she was 10 months old? The parents are not considered suspects. I want to stress that. They are not considered persons of interest. The cops say they have no suspects or persons of interest.

But the mother did make some breaking news this evening when a local reporter asked her why they`re not talking to reporters and she

said, reportedly, quote, "because we are grieving," end quote, leading to the question, why is she grieving? There`s no independent confirmation that her precious daughter is dead. And we, of course, hope to find the child alive.

I want to go to the phone lines. Hope, Texas. Your question or thought, Hope.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I was wondering if they questioned her parents or his parents because, usually, when something is wrong, the people will go to the parents and confide in them.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s an excellent question. Alexis Tereszcuk, Radaronline, any thoughts of where the extended family of this child is?

TERESZCUK: The extended family is all around the town. We`ve actually spoken with quite a few of their family members, who have all said adamantly Deborah would never hurt baby Lisa. They`ve all just said that she`s a wonderful mother. They never saw her do anything that would hurt her child, and they`re 100 percent supportive of her.

I believe that a lot of the family have spoken with law enforcement, to answer the question. But I think that they are all saying the same thing, that they are totally supportive of Deborah and they say that she loved baby Lisa -- or loves baby Lisa -- and wouldn`t hurt her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, well, she called her "pumpkin pie," and even the night that the child disappeared, she was getting baby wipes and she was getting baby food. So you would certainly ask, why would somebody who was intent on harming a child buy food and those kinds

of items for the child. It doesn`t make sense.

Sheila, Illinois, a quick question.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey, I was wondering, what does her estranged husband have to say about all this? Who`s paying her attorney? And could she have fallen off the bed?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are going to go through that house with a fine-toothed comb. They are looking for any evidence that someone forcibly entered that house. They are looking for hair and fiber evidence.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Law enforcement officials are doing due diligence in this case. It`s a very sensitive matter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s absolutely unbelievable because what they`re trying to do is establish the timeline so that they can launch a viable investigation.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Scent of a deceased human.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Where cadaver dogs are positive hit.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Or the smell of death.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: In the parents` bedroom, near the bed.

JEREMY IRWIN, FATHER OF MISSING 10-MONTH-OLD LISA: Daughter Lisa was taken from our home.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF MISSING 10-MONTH-OLD LISA: We have to be strong for her.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Hair samples, mouth swabs, hours of interviews.

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Using x-ray equipment that can be used to look inside walls, through floor boards.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A garden area where dirt appeared to be recently disturbed or overturned.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: In the search for Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A beautiful little girl.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keep everybody out there looking for that baby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Keep looking until she comes home.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Video taken from a gas station.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: An unidentified person --

IRWIN: Anyone that has any kind of information as to where she is or who she`s with.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Conflicting information.

BRADLEY: Please just take her somewhere safe. No questions asked.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where is baby Lisa?

Good evening, Jane Velez-Mitchell in for Nancy Grace.

Cadaver dogs hitting on the bedroom floor of the mother of the missing child. Meantime these astounding reports from eyewitnesses, one of whom we have on here tonight, saying they saw a mystery man walking down the street the night this child disappeared, holding a

baby who was almost naked, wearing only a diaper in 45-degree temperatures.

Now straight out to Sandra Endo, CNN correspondent, who is at the scene.

Sandra, what is the very latest?

SANDRA ENDO, CNN CORRESPONDENT, ON THE SCENE OUTSIDE BABY LISA`S HOME, COVERING STORY: Well, I can tell you, Jane, you were talking about seeing Deborah Bradley today. We were there when she was asked by a reporter about if she was being paid, why she`s not talking to local reporters, that is when she said, we are grieving.

So we were there outside the relative`s home where she`s staying at. We heard her say those words and obviously she looked still emotional and distraught. Obviously a lot of tension surrounding that family right now.

We also spoke to the family lawyer who says that look, she is a 25year-old mother and all of a sudden she is thrown into this whirlwind of media and this disaster in the disappearance of her baby. So clearly she is trying to come to grips and I asked her how is she coping? She says she`s just coping and taking things day-by-day.

So clearly a very traumatic occurrence here and of course around the Irwin family but we have seen them today walking to the home. They did not talk to the media --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Sandra, let me ask you this question. Let me

ask you this question. So she says -- you heard hearsay that they`re not talking because, quote, "We are grieving," end quote. Did she stop herself and say, I don`t mean grieving. Did she have an awareness that that comment might be perceived of as somewhat controversial?

ENDO: No, she didn`t. She just went ahead and walked into the home. But what I can tell from her lawyer -- I asked her lawyer specifically, she has said on live TV, at network television interviews, that she was drunk the night of the baby`s disappearance and other things that just didn`t jive with investigators.

I asked the lawyers, Cindy Short, does she regret saying those comments? What do you think she`s being portrayed as? Who is Deborah Bradley? And the lawyer says look, she is a 25-year-old mother, devoted and she is honest. She is open and honest with investigators and that is why she laid out all the facts.

She said other people may not be as open and may not want to say those things. But because this is her missing baby that is why she told investigators some of the harsh realities of what took place that night.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Alexis Tereszcuk, radaronline. We had a caller who wanted to know who was paying her attorney -- actually it`s her attorneys. She`s got Joe Tacopina, she`s got this Cindy Short, they are locally, and what about this ex -- or actually it`s not an exhusband, it`s a current husband who is estranged from her, the father of baby Lisa.

This man here lives with her. They had the child together but they are not married. So tell us about the estranged husband.

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: So the estranged husband, they were married. He is actually in the military and he is serving overseas. He is the father of her son, and then the husband Jeremy has a son as well, those are the 8 and 6-year-old boys that live in the home that they have not allowed to speak with investigators in quite a while.

And then Deborah and Jeremy share baby Lisa together. She`s not divorced. And nobody has really addressed why she`s not divorced. But both she and Jeremy had referred to each other as fiancees, so they`re engaged, they`re planning to get married but right now they can`t.

As for the other question, it was whether anybody has spoken with his family, is that right? And everybody --

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: No, who`s paying for all these attorneys.

TERESZCUK: Oh, yes. I`m sorry about that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. No, it`s OK.

TERESZCUK: It`s actually -- we don`t know who it is. It`s a wealthy benefactor. And they`re paying to the attorneys. They`ve also actually given $100,000 for the fund, for information that would result in the arrest and conviction of anybody who has anything to do with this. So they haven`t said who it is, it`s anonymous but it`s apparently a very wealthy woman.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Woodrow Tripp, you were a former police commander as well as a polygraph expert. The parents say the reason they haven`t agreed to do interviews is that they haven`t been able to agree on terms.

Well, you`re not negotiating a Hollywood deal here. You`re talking to cops because they`re trying to find your daughter and save your daughter`s life. Now they say, however, that they don`t trust the detectives. That they want a new set of detectives assigned. Now the detectives say hey, we want to interview the parents separately. That could be a sticking issue.

What are your thoughts on all that?

WOODY TRIPP, FORMER POLICE COMMANDER, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Well, when you start picking and choosing what investigator you want to talk to -- again it raises another flag.

If my daughter is missing I don`t care. I understand that there was some comment about a trust issue. I don`t exactly understand that. Because pretty much the police and law enforcement in general have been very tight lipped about this, so I`m not understanding the course that they are taking with picking and choosing unless it`s, again, another delay tactic.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. We`re going to go back to the phone lines.

Nancy, Colorado, your question or thought, Nancy.

NANCY, CALLER FROM COLORADO: Yes. Actually it`s interesting that you and two of your callers have addressed part of my questions. It`s very suspicious to me as to you why she won`t let the boys be interviewed and why the cell phones were gone. So my question or theory is what if she were to go back in the house drunk, the baby is crying, she takes the baby back to bed, she`s drunk, she rolls on the baby, the baby falls on the floor and is dead at that point.

When she realizes it she involves possibly her brother and what you addressed in the very beginning of the program was the baby alive or dead in the man`s arms? It was very dark outside, everyone has said that. The man at the gas station was not seen with a baby, and there`s just -- there are a lot of things that don`t add up.

If that man carrying the baby were acting suspicious, it would draw more attention than acting nonchalant.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, first of all, those are excellent hypotheticals. We certainly don`t want to point the finger at anyone. Cops say there are no suspects. And we want to certainly presume the innocence of certainly the immediate family members.

But from a hypothetical basis, Tracy Sargent -- you`re a canine search rescue and a recovery specialist -- you would think if somebody is trying to dispose of a child, a deceased child, that they would wrap the child up at least in a towel or try to disguise or hide the child unless they are rip-roaring drunk and they don`t really know what they`re doing.

TRACY SARGENT, CANINE SEARCH RESCUE AND RECOVERY SPECIALIST: You`re absolutely right. This is very, very unusual to have -- and most people aren`t accustomed to dealing with dead people and in this case a dead child which is very traumatic. So it would make

sense that somebody would wrap it up just not to be able to see it and just to get it out of their view, and then carry it away from the area that they don`t want people to find.

So just to have a baby open in your arms without any clothing, any blankets or anything to cover it up does seem a little strange but certainly not out of the norm. So it`s unusual situation. Simply because people aren`t accustomed to dealing with dead people and in this case dead children.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Paul Batista, just my hypothetical standpoint, if this individual was walking with the deceased child in the dead of night, the question is where did he go, what did he do with this precious child? And I pray that this is all an inaccurate hypothetical and this child is found safe and sound.

But we know that the lock is ticking and the probability of that happening decreases with the passage of time. So what do cops do with this information? Do they just send search teams out the last place he was spotted near that intersection about three miles from the family`s home?

PAUL BATISTA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "DEATH`S WITNESS": Well, as a defense attorney I can tell you it seems to me essential that they take this new information and focus a lot of their attention on the mysterious man coming out of the woods allegedly walking with the baby. That`s where the pressure should be right now. We`re talking about parents who are obviously traumatized by the loss of this baby.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely.

It is -- on a much happier note -- season 13 of "Dancing with the Stars" and our very own Nancy Grace is dancing for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

It`s Broadway week and tonight she`s doing the foxtrot. So be sure to vote. You can vote multiple times for Nancy and her amazing dancing partner Tristan MacManus.

Everybody here at the NANCY GRACE SHOW says good luck, Nancy, you can win this thing. We know you can. You`re going to do it with our help.

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SPELLMAN: This is Lester Street where baby Lisa lived. Police have been investigating this window as a possible entry point.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: This video taken from a gas station near the home where baby Lisa was last seen shows an unidentified person walking along the road around 2:15 a.m.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And it was about 12:15 a.m. my husband was leaving for work. He was kind of looking down in the bushes and the next thing you know we see a gentleman walking up the street carrying a baby.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lisa was reported missing just hours later.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The cadaver dog indicated a positive hit for the scent of a deceased human.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Baby Lisa`s mom bedroom on the floor.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was in that room some sort of human decomposition.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did it look like anything disturb in her room? I mean did anything look out of place other than her not being there?

BRADLEY: No. No.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: For an emotional prayer vigil for the missing child.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keep hoping for the best results.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where is baby Lisa? So many bizarre and mysterious developments. This strange man seen walking down the street at around the same time that this child is reported missing, holding a baby wearing only a diaper. It`s 45 degrees, approximately, in Kansas City that night.

What is going on? Who is this man? We are all perplexed by the

mystery and the phone lines lighting up. So we`re going to go to Lisa from Connecticut.

Lisa, your question or thought?

LISA, CALLER FROM CONNECTICUT: Yes. Hi, Jane. I was wondering if anybody else --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.

LISA: -- was noticing that baby Lisa`s mom when you look at the previous interviews from this past weekend, it looks as though she`s had her hair cut and colored and --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow.

LISA: And it just doesn`t seem like something a mom of a missing baby would be doing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that is her -- I believe tonight at the vigil and she looks pretty good. I mean she looks like she`s had her hair done, you`re right. That`s very interesting which brings me to maybe -- OK. We have an exclusive -- there she is. OK. That`s what I was waiting for.

There she is right after the child disappeared. Well, she`s got her hair pulled back. And then we can show you again how she appears at the vigil and her hair appears to be done up, let`s say. Let`s put it that way. And we`ll show you that comparison video as we speak there.

Well, it could simply be that her hair was done by a stylist who maybe volunteered to try to make her feel better. We don`t want to necessarily draw any conclusions.

I want to go to our other Lisa, an exclusive interview with a woman who is in Kansas City in the same neighborhood as the home of this missing toddler.

Lisa, you claim you saw a man with the baby that night. Are you sure it was a man?

LISA, WITNESS WHO CLAIMS SHE SAW MAN WITH INFANT RESEMBLING BABY LISA: Yes, I am positive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is correct. You have no doubts that it was a man? How can you be so sure?

LISA: Yes. Correct. Based on the lighting. When it reflected off of the gentleman`s head, there was no long hair. To us it appeared as if the gentleman had a bald head.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And now when you say -- I`m trying to glean some kind of clue from your incredible eyewitness of this man. And you`ve told the story and yet it leaves us sort of perplexed with the mystery of who is this person.

Can you describe him in more detail? Could you say, anything about his age, his height, his possible ethnicity, anything, and I usually don`t like to focus on that but I`m only focusing on trying to paint a portrait

of this man.

And by the way, have cops taken your information so that they can create a sketch? Do you have any word that cops are making a sketch of this man, perhaps?

LISA: The cops did offer to make a sketch for us. However, we didn`t have clear facial features to give them. We were able to describe the man, he was very slender. He was a tall gentleman. He was probably six-foot tall, maybe 5`8" to six-feet tall. So he was a really tall gentleman and he was very, very slender. He was wearing a white Tshirt and some sweat pants.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Paul Batista, you`re a well-known defense attorney. You`ve covered so many cases. It`s like we have a puzzle here but we don`t have all the pieces. And until we have a couple more pieces, I don`t know that we can figure out what the heck happened and it`s aggravating because we want to do everything we can to find this child.

BATISTA: Clearly we want to do that. But we do have a lot of pieces. Many of them are conflicting. It is a fascinating puzzle, and, you know, all I can say, Jane, is let`s hope that with various clues that have been developed through this eyewitness testimony the police with all their skill are going to be able to identify who it is who has that baby.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I can think of one thing Midwin Charles, they have to find out who was not around that night. In other words, this is -- it`s a suburb of Kansas City and just figure out this neighborhood and ask everyone, is there anyone who said, I`m going out for a cup of coffee at 3:00 in the morning or after midnight?

Is there anyone who didn`t come home on time? Is there anyone in this neighborhood who said oh, honey, any guy, I`m going to be late, my tire went flat.

MIDWIN CHARLES, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right. And Jane, the questions that you`re throwing out is exactly what investigators ought to be doing. They ought to be turning over every rock and making sure that no stone is left unturned rather than focusing their attention and raking these poor parents over the coals.

That`s exactly how you conclude or you come to some sort of evidence is by doing an investigation and asking the proper questions and going to town on this video of this guy that was seen as well as this testimony that this woman just said that she saw a man walking with a baby.

How odd is that? These cops, I hope, are jumping all over that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Sandra Endo, CNN correspondent who is there at the scene of the crime, the home from which this child disappeared, do we know of cops going to this farthest point where an eyewitness saw this mystery man approximately three miles from the home, a deserted area that simply got a bunch of intersections of streets, not a lot of stores or homes.

Are they starting their search from that point on foot?

ENDO: Well, we can tell you right, Jane, that according to the FBI they had no organized search today, and I asked, are there going to be any planned in the days, weeks to come. They say it depends on every lead they get and how they pursue those leads, if they determine

those are viable leads to pursue.

And as of right now, they say they have all the surveillance video in the surrounding area. They have searched through the wooded area behind the home as well. We have gone out on our own, driven around this neighborhood, looked through the wooded areas and it is a very interesting neighborhood with homes and wooded areas and of course streets, dark streets, where people can be visibly seen if walking in the middle of the night.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This family has cooperated in every way they could possibly cooperate.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: They decided to stop talking to detectives.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: They agreed to more interviews but only under certain conditions.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have every reason to believe that she`s alive. I mean -- so we just keep looking until she comes home.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, GUEST HOST: Breaking news tonight out of America`s heartland in the search for 10-month-old baby Lisa, reported missing from her own crib in the dead of night. The father comes home from night shift to find baby Lisa gone, the last person to see her alive her own mother.

In a stunning new development, police insist it is vital to the investigation to question baby Lisa`s parents in separate interviews. Cops want to sit down one on one with Mommy, then Daddy, apart from each other, to ask them tough questions about the night baby Lisa disappeared. But so far, cops say that is not happening. And it`s all as detectives re- interview witnesses about a mystery man spotted with a baby resembling little Lisa the very night she vanishes.

Tonight, where is baby Lisa?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He advised that he didn`t witness anything and doesn`t know how long she`s been gone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There are a lot of things that don`t add up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then a week later, she changed her story.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is it true that you`re getting paid to avoid local reporters?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Surveillance video.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not at all.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And says she put the baby to sleep at 6:30, before drinking.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Of a mystery man coming out of the woods.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The cadaver dog indicated a positive hit.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My fear is that we`ve missed this critical time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For the scent of a deceased human.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then why won`t you talk to us?

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER: Because we`re grieving.

Because we`re grieving.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To find this baby.

BRADLEY: Just drop her off anywhere! We don`t care. Just somewhere safe!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Look at the nice baby. What are you doing?

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Mommy says she`s taken a polygraph.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What are you doing?

GRACE: And she`s afraid she failed.

BRADLEY: Call the tips hotline!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What are you doing?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know they`re looking for a body and not a baby.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s not castigate her. We know she made some mistakes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did things that we think are irresponsible, maybe immoral.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The courts have said we can use lying, trickery when it comes to interviewing suspects.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, in tonight for Nancy Grace. What happened to 10-month-old baby Lisa, reported missing from her own crib at her Kansas City, Missouri, home?

Straight out to CNN correspondent Sandra Endo, live on the scene. Sandra, what`s the latest in the search for baby Lisa and the investigation?

SANDRA ENDO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Jane, new details learned by CNN this afternoon. We are understanding that 30 to 50 investigators are on this case when, you think about FBI and Kansas City police. They say this is definitely not a cold case. They want to talk to the parents separately. That is their main goal. They want to interview them, ask them tough questions, unrestricted of each other. But they say the parents are not willing to do that.

And in an intensive, extensive, rather, interview yesterday with the parents` lawyer, she said there`s an open door for investigators to talk to the parents. They`ve talked to the two young boys that were also in the home when baby Lisa disappeared. And they say the parents are cooperating. So two very different sides to this story, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline, the cops are saying, yes, they`re cooperating, but their cooperation has not been sufficient. I think we`re parsing words here. The bottom line is, cops want to interview these parents separately, but apparently, the parents have put up some resistance, saying that the detectives they`ve spoken to up until this point seem to have prejudged the mother, claiming that within an hour of her walking in to talk to them, they were accusing her of murder.

What do you know about this?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: Absolutely. The family is saying that they don`t want to be interviewed by investigators that have judged them to be guilty already. They feel that there are some police officers who are not looking for their baby and they`re just looking at them.

In fact, one of the things that may have triggered that was in the affidavit that was released, the mom apparently told police initially she didn`t want to look behind the house because she was afraid what she would find. So she wasn`t looking for her daughter back there. That triggered something with the police, and they`ve been focused on this family. They have not spoken to cops since October 6th unrestricted.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow.

TERESZCUK: They have spoken to them about tips and told them things like that, but they have not had a sit-down interview since then. The police want to talk to them. And they do want to split Deborah and her husband up. Actually, I`m sorry, they`re not husband and wife. They`re just engaged. So they`re not actually married. But they want to split them up. And the husband has said absolutely no, he wants to be in the room every time that Deborah is questioned.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, speaking of which, Bill Grady, reporter of news radio 980 KMBZ, apparently, the real husband, the estranged husband, who is in the military, has now been contacted and has spoken out on this case. What do you know?

BILL GRADY, KMBZ NEWS RADIO (via telephone): Well, he has said

that he does not think that -- he -- Deborah was a good mother. His concern is that, you know, for his son, who he hasn`t seen in a couple of years. Pardon me. But he doesn`t have any indication of her being a bad mother, doesn`t think she would harm her child. And the reason they haven`t gotten divorced is just because they`ve been short of money.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, there`s another factor to this story that I think is absolutely fascinating, and I`m going to go back to Alexis Tereszcuk on this. There were people who saw a mystery man with a baby walking around the very night that this precious child disappeared.

Now, apparently, one of those people -- the man who saw the mystery man at the farthest point, about three miles away from the family home, holding a baby at 4:00 in the morning -- he said cops have approached him and actually showed him a half a dozen photos of people. And he actually claims that he picked one out of these photos and said, That`s the person I saw walking around with this mystery baby, a mystery man with a mystery baby.

What do you know, Alexis?

TERESZCUK: Yes, this is what he said. He apparently saw this man and a baby at 4:00 AM that night. He was on his motorcycle. And it was about 45 degrees out, So he said he wanted to offer them a ride, but being on his motorcycle, he couldn`t do that.

So the police have shown him a line-up, you know, quite a few pictures of different people. He found one. But apparently, he doesn`t know anything else, and the police are searching for everything, but this isn`t something that they`ve focused on. And they have not released this person as a suspect, a person of interest. They haven`t released a

sketch of him or anything.

So the police are still doing their investigating, but he is definitely someone that they`ve been speaking with. And he was one of three eyewitnesses that night that saw a man carrying a baby that`s come forward.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, complicating this picture, we understand that another one of these witnesses, a woman who`s simply going by the name Lisa -- she was shown a photograph, purportedly, allegedly. And Andrew Scott, former police chief, Boca Raton, she says, That`s not the person I saw. So now it`s a big mish-mosh and a big confusion with different people identifying different individuals or disagreeing about who exactly they saw with a baby.

ANDREW J. SCOTT, FMR. CHIEF OF POLICE, BOCA RATON: You know, Jane, this is the nature of law enforcement and doing these types of investigations. And it`s not unusual to have one witness ID somebody and then another witness say, No, that`s not the individual. And it does create a complex type of investigation. It makes it a bit more confusing.

And then you add in the fact that you`ve got the parents that are kind of resistant to speaking with the police officers separately. And so you know, what you`ve got is a real mess. And I`m certain that the police are doing what they`re supposed to be doing to get this thing ironed out, but a bit more cooperation from the parents would probably benefit the case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I want to go to the attorneys, Alex Sanchez, Meg Strickler. Alex, I`ll begin with you. Now, it would appear that the man -- OK, the cops show about six photos to this guy who saw a mystery man holding a baby at about 4:00 in the morning. He picks

somebody out. But then the other woman who saw a mystery man walking around with a baby earlier that evening says, Uh-uh, that`s not the person. But apparently, cops know this person. They`ve interviewed the man who was identified in one of the photographs numerous times.

So what that tells me is that cops know, Alex, a heck of a lot more than they`re admitting about this case.

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, I`m sure they do know a lot more. But what`s important is that there are witnesses that are picking out somebody else with a baby. How many people are walking around with babies at 4:00 o`clock in the morning that are catching the attention of other individuals? How many people are walking out of the woods in the middle of the night?

These are important leads that the police need to follow. Of course, they`re not going to reveal all they need to know to the general public, but they need to track down these leads and answer those questions once and for all.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and take a look at this. This is surveillance video. This is like -- almost like looking for Bigfoot, at this point. Now, I`m not trying to make light of it, but this is how confusing and sort of mysterious this case has become.

This is surveillance footage of an individual seen walking down a street in the dead of night. And the owner of the gas station had said, Well, we don`t get many people walking by here, and that`s very weird. So initially, the media was sort of connecting the dots. Could this be the mystery man that other people saw walking around with a baby that same night, in the hopes, of course, of finding this precious child and finding that child in time.

But Leslie Seppinni, clinical psychologist, this is the very kind of situation where it`s sort of predesigned to let people`s imaginations run wild. And now we`ve got this mystery person running around with a baby. And it seems like maybe people are reading into things like surveillance videos that may have nothing to do with it.

LESLIE SEPPINNI, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: You know, I absolutely agree it may have absolutely nothing to do with it. Also, they never said they reported seeing him with a child, not that he couldn`t have had the child under his jacket.

But I think what`s really crucial in this case that I find striking from a psychological perspective is the word "grieving," that this mother keeps saying the word "grieving." Now, I don`t know if she`s being media- coached, but no mother who`s looking for their child uses the word "grieving" unless they know their child is dead. And that is very striking to me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s listen to exactly what you`re talking about, this mother speaking, and she does use this word. It`s fascinating.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is it true that you`re getting paid to avoid local reporters?

BRADLEY: Not at all.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then why won`t you talk to us?

BRADLEY: Because we`re grieving.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: "Because we`re grieving." Meg Strickler, defense attorney, did you hear that? What do you make of it?

MEG STRICKLER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: That`s a big ouch. And when she was just walking up to her house, caught unawares -- she may be coached by a media coach, but she was just walking up to her house and she says that rather flippantly. And so that is a very key thing she just said.

And all of her behavior throughout this entire three weeks has been strange and bizarre, and that`s why the detectives are looking at her and mainly her. They`re looking at the other leads. They`re following up. But everything she`s doing is continuously strange. Why can`t we interview both the common-law husband and wife separately? That`s strange, also. Lots going on here.

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GRACE: She said she had five glasses of wine and that she was basically knocked out drunk, that she may have even blacked out. If their main interest was finding the missing child, I`d just prop myself up at the police station and say, Fine, handcuff me. But what can I do to help find my baby?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Billboards around the Kansas City metro area are being used in the search for Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Baby Lisa`s parents` attorneys emphasize that the parents are cooperating with the investigation.

BRADLEY: We need her home! I can`t -- I can`t be without her!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police searching both inside and outside the house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About a 17-hour search.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where baby Lisa Irwin disappeared. They dug around the outside of the house and in the back yard.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re still full steam ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Inside the home, they used X-ray equipment to look inside of walls, floorboards and pipes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The baby`s parents` local attorney, Cindy Short (ph), said that the massive search by police and the FBI was all for show.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All the time that they spent in this back yard - and again, they`ve got to do that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A baffling case with still no sign that they`ll find baby Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think our detectives are doing what people would expect they were doing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But 17 days later?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My fear is that we`ve missed this critical time to find this baby.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jane Velez-Mitchell, in tonight for Nancy Grace. Where is this precious child, baby Lisa?

Some really stunning, bizarre, mysterious developments, this mystery man on the very night that this child vanishing walking around the same area, holding what witnesses say is a baby, but now we`ve got disagreement over who is this mystery man. Cops showing one witness photos. He picks one person out. Then the other witness disagrees, Uh-uh, that`s not the guy I saw. It`s a big, big mess, a lot

of confusion.

We`re going to go to the phone lines now. Ladonna, Iowa. Your question or thought, Ladonna.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, I want to know, when...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who was with the children while she was at the store with her brother getting the wine? Were they at the house?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, yes. Let`s bring our viewers up to date. Here is the mother earlier in the evening on the night her child disappears, getting a box of wine, which she is picking up with her brother. She then heads home.

Now, the reports are her brother dropped her off, because she doesn`t have a driver`s license, and proceeds to go on his way, and that this mother, Lisa`s mother, ends up drinking wine, more than five glasses of wine she admits she probably drank -- and there`s also reports she was also on antidepressants -- as she sits there with a neighbor.

She claims she put the child to sleep at 6:40. And there was discrepancy because she had at one point said she saw the child or put her to sleep at 10:30 PM. But she`s drinking wine with the neighbor, and then the neighbor goes away at 10:30 PM.

So Sandra Endo, what do we know about who may have been in the

house? For example, I know the cops tested the wine box to see how much of the wine was consumed. How much can two women drink? Can they drink an entire box of wine, or was there somebody else, a man, drinking with them? What do we know, Sandra?

ENDO: Well, what we know so far, Jane, is that, you`re absolutely right, investigators did go into the home after the disappearance of baby Lisa, measured how much wine there was left in there. But clearly, by her own admission, Deborah Bradley says she drank about five glasses at least that night, up to ten. So that`s what we know she said to the point when she could have been drunk, and that`s according to an interview by ABC -- excuse me, NBC`s "Today" show.

So clearly, she was not feeling well and she went inside. And the neighbor says that the lights were on in the house the last she looked. But according to Deborah Bradley, she says aid the lights were off when she went to sleep.

Now, according to reports, we do not know yet who was inside the house watching her kids when she went to the grocery store. And I think that`s what the caller was essentially trying to get at, Jane. We just don`t know that level of detail yet. We have constantly asked investigators and police to identify who was in the house watching the kids, but we just don`t know as of right now.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I think that is the crux of the entire mystery because the mother is claiming that there was a window open, the lights had been turned on, that there was a screen kicked in where the window was open, that the door was unlocked. And of course, she doesn`t remember whether she did any of that because she passed out after drinking all this booze and doesn`t have a clear recollection of events.

But the other key piece of the puzzle is that cadaver dogs, or at least a cadaver dog, went into the home and hit, hit on the scent of death, allegedly, in the mother`s bedroom where she had passed out. What does it all mean?

On the other side of the break, we`re taking your calls and we`re going to analyze, try to put it all together, try to paint a picture from all these different pieces that we have to this mystery puzzle.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This video, taken from a gas station near the home where baby Lisa was last seen, shows an unidentified person walking along the road around 2:15 AM October 4th.

BRADLEY: Just take her somewhere safe (INAUDIBLE) let her come home to her family.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, if you`ve got a cadaver dog hitting on human decomposition.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The mother has given, according to police, some

conflicting statements.

BRADLEY: I didn`t even check around the house. I didn`t think to...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It would indicate that there was a dead child in the room.

BRADLEY: I didn`t care about any of that. I still don`t.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: T-shirts with baby Lisa`s picture that read "Kidnapped."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not somebody coming in, snatching a child and taking it somewhere else.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who is this mystery man?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Near the home where baby Lisa was last seen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Things just don`t add up.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jane Velez-Mitchell, in for Nancy Grace. Where is this angelic, helpless child? We are trying to find her. We have to stress that police are not calling the parents suspects or persons of interests.

At this point, there are no suspects or persons of interest. We do know that police say a cadaver hit on the bedroom where the mother was reportedly passed out after drinking approximately five glasses of wine.

Pat Brown, criminal profiler, the dad left for work at 5:20 PM. That`s another piece of the puzzle. What do you make of all of it?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, when we look at those pieces you want to put together to determine if the child is likely dead or the child`s likely alive, I come up with four pieces. One is the cadaver dog. Regardless of what those lawyers say about the 10 things they can hit on -- bull. That`s not really true. And it certainly isn`t dirty diapers, or there should be -- that baby should be hitting all over the house unless you pin that child to the floor for 10 months in that one spot. So that`s the -- the cadaver dog is probably doing what a cadaver dog does right. That would be a sign of death.

The second thing, the mother says she`s "grieving." That`s a sign of death. Her own lawyer now says that they`ve missed the window of opportunity, the police have missed the window of opportunity and it may end up badly. Now, wait a minute. Why would anybody steal a baby this age? The only reason is because somebody wants a baby. And usually, that means the baby`s alive someplace. Somebody`s taking care of the baby and making it their own.

So there`d be no more reason the baby should be dead today than the baby`d be dead three weeks ago. This is not a sexual crime. So why would this lawyer be saying that, except she`s indicating there`s going to be a bad end for some reason.

And the fourth thing is, if that man seen running around with a baby in a diaper is really a correct sighting, it makes no sense that a kidnapper

would unclothe a baby to remove her from the house or wouldn`t put the baby in some kind of bag or something to take it out. That would sound more like a totally distraught -- maybe somebody in shock carrying a baby away, not doing what they`re doing, but the baby would not be alive.

So that`s four reasons. And I haven`t one found yet that says the baby is likely to be alive. And it`s terribly, terribly sad.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, you raise excellent points. But once again, cops are not calling this mother a suspect. In fact, it`s only from the mother`s own lips that we are hearing that she fears that she is going to be arrested, that she fears that the cops have really put on blinders and are only looking at her.

More analysis in a moment.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: FBI cadaver dog made a positive hit.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A hit means the dog got the scent of a deceased human.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In an area of the floor of Bradley`s bedroom near the bed.

BRADLEY: You know, maybe somebody wanted a baby and she -- I hope that`s what it is!

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DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF MISSING 10-MONTH-OLD LISA: We went around the house. We were screaming for her.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The window just on the edge of the house there they had found open.

BRADLEY: She was nowhere.

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Snatched from her own crib.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A search warrant was issued.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Agents in hazmat suits going with x-ray machines to check out the walls, to check out the floors.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What are they looking for?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The man walking down the street around the same time holding a baby that`s naked mostly in 45-degree temperatures.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Very dark in this neighborhood. The streetlights don`t create a really bright environment.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: This BP gas station, the clerk tell me it`s rare to see people walking out of those woods because there is so much heavy brush.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Difficult terrain, dense woods.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Where is the baby?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening. Jane Velez-Mitchell in tonight for Nancy Grace.

Where is this adorable child? Now it was October 3rd the dead of night that her dad comes home from work in the overnight shift as an electrician and notices everything is in disarray in the house. The lights are on, there`s a window open. There`s -- some kind of thing pushed in on the window. OK?

And he`s wondering, what`s going on? Where is everyone? He goes into the bedroom, he sees his wife passed out. He wakes her up, says what the hell is going on here. And she jumps out of bed, they run into the baby`s room. The baby is missing.

Where is baby Lisa? It`s a very complicated timeline.

Straight out to Sandra Endo, CNN correspondent.

Just lay it out for us. Give us the entire timeline.

SANDRA ENDO, CNN CORRESPONDENT, ON THE SCENE OUTSIDE BABY LISA`S HOME, COVERING STORY: A complicated timeline, Jane, because of the fact that 12 hours earlier around 5:00 p.m. we see surveillance video of Deborah Bradley going grocery shopping in Festival Foods which is very nearby here, buying a box of wine and other items.

Then she says she was dropped off by her brother. She goes back inside her home. She puts the kids to sleep, then she sits on a stoop and drinks wine with a neighbor.

She says initially to investigators, Jane, that she put baby Lisa to sleep, or the last time she saw her baby was around 10:30 that night. Then a week later she changes her story, says that she actually put baby Lisa to sleep at 6:40, and that is why investigators are really wanting to hone in on that timeline.

And of course since then there`s been extensive searches here inside the home and also the surrounding area.

The parents right now, Jane, are living just a short drive from here at relatives` homes. And clearly there are still a lot of questions to be answered.

We`re also hearing from at least three eyewitnesses placing a man

walking in the dark at around 2:15 and -- actually midnight, around midnight, October 4th, the day baby Lisa disappears. Then another eyewitness saying at around 4:00 in the morning as well seeing a baby -- a man walking in the dark carrying a baby.

So clearly that is the timeline. They don`t know exactly who this mystery man is, as you`re calling him, but he was carrying a baby in a diaper according to three eyewitnesses, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now I want to go back to Pat Brown, criminal profiler, because you laid out your theory of the case like you were a prosecutor. Again, the mother is not considered a suspect in this case.

How enter stage left the mystery man holding a baby? How does that factor into your theory, because this man seems to come out of nowhere with a child?

Remember, it`s 45 degrees that night approximately. He`s walking around in a T-shirt and he`s holding a baby that appears to be naked or almost naked wearing only a diaper.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "THE PROFILER": Right. Well, Jane, the biggest problem with that is the fact that he`s just walking around. If you`re a kidnapper, it behooves you to leave a car nearby where you can slip into the place, grab the baby, covered it with -- you know, something and put it in your vehicle and take off.

You know, put it in a bag, carry it off. Do something. But walking down the street with your face showing and the baby just going, look, everybody, I`m taking this baby away, is a little strange for a kidnapper. Kidnappers are a little more secretive than that.

And I have a problem with the time, too. Because we have one seen -you know, 12-ish and the other one seen at 4-ish. So we`re talking a lot of hours in between, and it`s about three hours distance between where the child -- the man was seen with a child the first time and the second time.

Now he could walk that distance in less than an hour. So where has he been for the other two hours with this baby? Just walking in circles?

So there`s -- these kind of questions aren`t answered. And something else that`s never been answered. We have heard that Jeremy Irwin was at work. Now we`ve heard when he left and when he supposedly came home. But he`s working at the Starbucks. We have not heard whether he was working with somebody else consistently and constantly through the whole evening.

Whether he was seen on camera one time but, you know, not again for two hours and intermittently seen on a camera going by. We don`t know if his car remained at the job or he went off for lunch and dinner. We don`t know if the car could have been there and he could have walked off the job and walked back to the car at some point.

We just don`t know any of this. And that`s one of the reasons I think we, not being the police, are a little confused over who is doing what.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Factoring all into the equation, we have to factor in the cell phone issue, because usually law enforcement gets some of its best leads from looking at the cell phone pings and figuring out where key participants were at what hours of the night.

Bill Grady, reporter, News Radio 980 KMBZ, what do you know about the cell phones?

BILL GRADY, REPORTER, NEWS RADIO, 980 KMBZ, COVERING STORY: Well, I can tell you, again, what your previous guest had mentioned there are a lot of things we don`t know. And obviously police aren`t saying a lot. But I have talked with a private investigator --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What do we know?

GRADY: What do you want to know? What is your question? Regarding the cell phone?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: About the cell phones, yes.

GRADY: OK. They were all in one area, and that was in the kitchen. Then there was subsequently a cell phone that was found in a drawer, and this is in the court documents, and some of the -- some of the questions that would have been raised, if you had three small children in a house, why would you have all the phones in one location as opposed to having a phone, you know, on your nightstand?

And so that`s one of the questions. And of course, with regard to this gentleman that was seen walking with -- allegedly with the baby, that`s like three miles away from the home. It`s over broken terrain. Some of it is residential, some of it is woods.

And there`s questions as to why the gentleman waited a week and a half to report that. Why wouldn`t you call, you know, 911 right away?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Bill, my understanding was that there were three phones that were missing, three cell phones that were missing from the house.

BRADY: Correct.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And that they couldn`t use some of the phones or all of the phones because they hadn`t paid their cell phone bill.

BRADY: Well, no, understood --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is that your understanding?

BRADY: I think the question is, that why would it -- why would they all be in one area of the house? And this was positive to me by a separate investigators that if you had -- you know, three small children in the house, wouldn`t it make sense to have -- not all have all your phones basically in one area of the house where if you had an emergency or something, you know, you had to run to another part of the house to notify the authorities.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But whoever is -- if, in fact, there is a mystery person responsible for this child and took this child, that person also only took three cell phones from the house, which a lot of people find strange. Why not take something else?

We`re going to go to the phone lines again. Sharon in Missouri, your question or thought, Sharon?

SHARON, CALLER FROM MISSOURI: Hi. I was wondering why they haven`t interviewed the parents separately already? What are they waiting on? Doesn`t that given them time to, you know, get a story together?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Alexis Tereszcuk, my understanding is that the parents have refused to be interviewed separately, but I could be wrong. What do you know?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: I know what you know. I believe you`re exactly right. That they have refused to be interviewed separately. The husband -- the boyfriend has said that he wants to be with Deborah when they`re interviewed, but according to the family they were very cooperative with the police in the beginning. They answered every question that they wanted.

They did 14-hour stretches at a time talking to police. Then they said they wanted a break, they were tired, they wanted to take some time away from the police, and they haven`t gone back since October 6th.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: An emotional Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin break down in tears.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know that it really just takes the one right nugget of information.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why are we focusing on Debbie? We should be focusing on her.

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NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: She said she had five glasses of wine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Time is so crucial here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trying to find baby Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can`t take anyone off the table.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Being drunk.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But right now I really want to believe the parents, but as days go by it`s just not happening.

GRACE: And that she was basically not out drunk. That she may have even blacked out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If she was -- been taken out of the house at night, this is almost pitch-black.

GRACE: If their main interest was finding the missing child, I`d just brought myself up at the police station and say fine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re just hoping for a tip that somebody somewhere finds her.

GRACE: Handcuff me, but what can I do to help find my baby?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jane Velez-Mitchell in for Nancy Grace.

Where is this beautiful, adorable, helpless child? And we`re learning so many bizarre details, of this cadaver dog hit in the bedroom of the mother, a mystery man seen walking around with a little baby, the very night Lisa disappears. And as everybody is talking and this is a total hypothetical, Andrew Scott, it occurs to me, could it possibly be that someone was trying to make it look like a kidnapping, and took a doll and walked around the neighborhood to kind of throw somebody off the scent?

ANDREW J. SCOTT, FMR. CHIEF OF POLICE, BOCA RATON, FL.; PRESIDENT, AJS CONSULTING: Something is off the table in this type of an investigation. You really have to take a look at all of the possibilities. If law enforcement is focusing on what they think the mother did or did not do, and they exclude those other possibilities, that`s a problem. We`ve seen that hit down here in Boca Raton on one of our major homicide cases.

You can -- the police cannot exclude these other aspects that seem

disconnected until they can make sure that they`re not related to the scene, and, in fact, that this could have been contrived. You`re absolutely right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now a follow-up, Andrew. The mother has said that cops told her that she failed a polygraph. We haven`t heard pretty much anything from the cops themselves. Should the first thing cops do, if they do get to talk to these parents again, is not only separate them but give them a polygraph, find out what they know about this mystery man?

SCOTT: Without a doubt. And the parents should not be hesitant -- A, to take that polygraph and more importantly not be hesitant to be interviewed separately. And this is what`s causing me some problems relative to if you`re concerned about the welfare of your daughter, the police want to get to the bottom of this, you don`t necessarily need your boyfriend in with you while you`re being interviewed and vice versa.

And by the way, that`s not standard operating procedure when you do interrogations of this nature to find out what happened.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Meg Strickler, defense attorney, there were two other children in the house, a 6-year-old approximately and an 8-yearold, both boys. These parents are not letting, according to published reports, cops talk to those kids again. What can police do to gain access to those children legally?

MEG STRICKLER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, the police have to get permission from the parents in order to interrogate the children. And as a criminal defense lawyer, I`m very hesitant to have my client speak to law enforcement. I mean you wait too long, and anything that goes on with law enforcement in the interrogation can be spun a

certain way.

And in this circumstance I have to say from the criminal defense side that baby Lisa was left alone with a drunk mother. That, by definition, is a crime. So she`s facing child neglect. If this baby miraculously reappears tomorrow, she`s still facing a crime. So she, A, she needs a lawyer and B, she should not speak to law enforcement.

And then C, she should take a polygraph, sure, maybe, but a private one. And guess what, since she was drunk, the polygraph isn`t very good. It doesn`t give as good results as if somebody who hadn`t been taking any kind of alcohol or medications.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, yes. Alex Sanchez, we`ve also discussed the possibility that the mother may have gone into a blackout, an alcoholic blackout, and simply does not remember what happened. And something that struck me was that according to "People" magazine, one published report said that when the husband comes home and wakes her up, she jumps out of bed.

How would she know to be so shocked upon just waking up? Often people who`ve experienced blackouts -- and I talk as, very freely, as a recovering alcoholic with 16 years of sobriety -- when you kind of come to your senses and remember what happens, you often go into shock because you remember something that`s not very pleasant.

What do you make of it, Alex?

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know who knows what her reaction was when the husband first came home. The only people that know is her and her husband.

You know I just want to point out something that Pat Brown said. Let me tell you something. The cadaver dog evidence is meaningless unless we know the experience of that dog. We know how that dog was trained, we know the track record of that dog, we know the track record of the trainer.

None of this has been challenged and none of that information has come forward. And also I don`t know who would possibly dismiss three witnesses claiming they saw an individual with a baby walking down a street even if it is three miles way. That`s a very aberrational act. So that needs to be carefully investigated.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but nobody can agree on who this person was. One person, the one who saw him at 4:00 in the morning picked an individual out of a photo line-up.

SANCHEZ: Yes, but --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And the other witness, a woman says, uh-huh. That`s not the person I saw.

SANCHEZ: Right. But what`s important --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: There`s disagreement.

SANCHEZ: What`s important was that it happened. Somebody saw somebody with a baby at 3:00 in the morning. There`s a baby missing from a house. Just put two and two together. There has to be a connection. The police are saying she`s not a suspect, but their

behavior indicates to me they`re treating them like suspects and they`re treating them --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, wait a second.

SANCHEZ: -- like they are the persons responsible for that missing child.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Then who is the mystery man?

SANCHEZ: We don`t --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Who is the mystery man? Because you could presume the mystery man is a stranger and it was a stranger abduction that she might have passed out, left the lights on.

SANCHEZ: You know, let me -- that`s another thing. That`s --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And the door open and somebody walks in.

SANCHEZ: No, that`s another thing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Or you could assume that maybe -- there`s a couple of possibilities. A stranger abduction, she was passed out, he walks in, takes the baby, walking on the street. B, she`s in a blackout. She makes friends. People do that when they`re drinking with a stranger. Invites them in to party and that stranger then who is partying with the mother leaves with the child.

SANCHEZ: Listen.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Or, three, the possibility that they pretend that there`s an intruder and they send somebody out to walk around with a doll to look like a child is being abducted.

SANCHEZ: Or four, a very disturbed individual broke into that house and took that child out for reasons that don`t make any sense. And who`s to say it`s not a sexual crime? We don`t know that.

So, you know, all these questions have not been answered by the police and I think it`s a very unfair to characterize these people as suspects even though they`re not using the word suspect.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m not characterizing. We`ve said --

SANCHEZ: You`re not, but the police --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We said I don`t know how many times today.

SANCHEZ: But the police -- the police are treating --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The police haven`t said anything.

SANCHEZ: But the police are treating them as suspects. Even though they`re not using the word suspects.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ironically, Pat Brown, the police aren`t saying anything, it`s the mother who says she feels she is the focus of the investigation.

What do you make of that, Pat?

BROWN: Well, she`s been correct. I mean, she is the focus of the investigation. I`ll have to agree with other guests. The police are essentially treating them like suspects, although the focus is heavily on that house and the people in it. And they keep, you know, harping about the parents coming back in. So they clearly are focused on the parents.

But you know, you cannot look at this and say the parents had no responsibility. Deborah Bradley changed her story. That makes her suspicious. She also said her two boys heard a noise in the night either before or after they went to sleep, which she doesn`t even want to question them. Just won`t know anything about it.

That`s ridiculous. If somebody took your child, you don`t want to even ask your other kids, hey, did you -- what did you hear? And you know, that`s not going to hurt them. You don`t even want to talk to your own children?

And thirdly, she doesn`t want to look in the yard for her child. Hey, if my -- I wake up and my child is missing, one of my thoughts is going to be, oh my god, maybe the guy, somebody took her out, maybe they freaked out, you know, got scared, dropped the baby in the bushes. I`m going to be ripping up my yard and screaming at the neighbors, make sure my baby isn`t lying in the bushes dying when I`m not doing anything.

So I`m going to be out there. So there`s reasons the police are focused on the parents. It`s not like nothing happened.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: The parents say the reason they haven`t agreed to do interviews is that they haven`t been able to agree on terms.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Is this a desperate place in the investigation?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I wouldn`t say that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s been right now. Whatever x-ray they did not confirm whatever it was that some dog thought it smelled.

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, the heartland. A 10- month-old baby sleeping in a crib just feet away from her own mother, Daddy on the night shift, goes missing without a trace, front door unlocked, front window open, every cell phone gone. Grainy surveillance video emerges, Mommy shopping with a mystery man just before baby Lisa vanishes. What does Mommy buy? Baby food and a

big honkin` box of wine.

Mommy, knocked out drunk when baby goes missing, changes her story. Now she sees baby Lisa at 6:40 PM, not 10:30, that costing cops a full four hours!

Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, cops set to interview the little brothers ages just 5 and 8 in the home when baby Lisa goes missing. Cops also take the boys` saliva, their spit, to compare to mystery DNA. This as a highly trained cadaver dog hits on carpet near Mommy`s bed. But the defense claims the cadaver dog hits on a fingernail or a dirty dipe! What?

Parents refusing to speak to the media, at vigils or even in public at all. As Mommy and daddy slow down the search, refusing to talk to cops one on one, tonight, where is 10-month-old baby Lisa?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER: Bring her home!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Missing baby Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The mom apparently told police initially she didn`t want to look behind the house. She was afraid what she would find.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But no mother...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She said that she was drinking that night.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... who`s looking for their child uses the word "grieving."

BRADLEY: Because we`re grieving.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... unless they know their child is dead.

BRADLEY: ... grieving...

-- grieving...

-- grieving...

grieving...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And that is very striking to me.

BRADLEY: No.

No.

No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in fact, she may have been drunk. They`re looking for any kind of break in the case.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So who is Deborah Bradley?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She is like all of us.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cops want to interview these parents separately.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She had a very normal life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They feel that there are some police officers who are not looking for their baby and they`re just looking at them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But the police are treating them as suspects, even though they`re not using the word "suspect."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Focuses heavily on that house and the people in it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say they`re frustrated, but they won`t stop looking.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, there are miracles and...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, police set to interview the little brothers ages 5 and 8 in the home the night baby Lisa goes missing, cops also taking the boys` saliva, their spit, to compare to mystery DNA.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Daughter Lisa was taken from our home.

BRADLEY: You know, he was looking around outside and I was holding my boys!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you don`t have any other suspects, there was one person that was there that night.

BRADLEY: We don`t care, just somewhere safe! (INAUDIBLE) come home please!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who else can you point your finger at, you know?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Somebody`s got her somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They live here. It`s their child. Who could tell us more?

BRADLEY: They were crying, asking what`s going on, where is she at, why is she gone. And then, you know, the police came (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I told them everything that I knew.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Their involvement with this investigation is critical.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now, wait a minute. Why would anybody steal a baby this age?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With regard to this gentleman that was seen walking with -- allegedly, with a baby, that`s, like, three miles away from the home. It`s over broken terrain. Some of it is residential. Some of it is woods.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The only reason is because somebody wants a baby. And usually, that means the baby is alive someplace. Somebody`s taking care of the baby and making it their own.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Because we`re grieving" -- did you hear that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She says that rather flippantly. And so that is a very key thing she just said. And all of her behavior throughout this entire...

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GRACE: We are live in the heartland and taking your calls. The search for baby Lisa ratchets up. Critical hours have come and gone, and still no baby Lisa. Can you help us tonight?

We are going live to the family home. Standing by, CNN correspondent Jim Spellman at the Irwin home. Jim, what is this business about the parents finally letting police speak to the little boys, ages 8 and 5? What has taken so long?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, it`s been three weeks, Nancy, since investigators have been able to speak to those halfbrothers of baby Lisa. Police here tell us it`s just crucial to get whatever information they might know. They`re little boys. Every day, their memories are going to fade. Things are going to get less clear. And remember, they were two boys in the house when Mom was drinking and maybe even blacked out. They could be a huge source of information. The interview here with those boys will be Friday.

GRACE: Jim, Jim, Jim! Jim, why do you say "maybe even passed out"? Hasn`t Mommy admitted she was passed out cold, drunk? I mean, why are your saying "maybe even" Mommy passed out? Didn`t she admit that?

SPELLMAN: Well, she has admitted it, Nancy, but it`s been really hard only going on her media interviews here and there to really know. Those are exactly the questions that the police want to know. Did she pass out? For how long? When? How long into drinking did that begin? Who else was she with? These are all questions that investigators really need to know. They`ve learned a lot, you know, in these last three weeks.

GRACE: You know, Jim Spellman, I understand it`s not even going to be a cop interviewing the 5-year-old and 8-year-old. It`s actually

going to be a forensic specialist that is highly trained in interviewing children. Is that correct? Yes, no.

SPELLMAN: That is correct, yes, a specially trained social worker.

GRACE: Everybody, you`re seeing ABC`s exclusive video of baby Lisa`s half brothers with parents Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley.

They spoke to -- and let me make sure I understand this correctly, Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline.com. Alexis, it`s my understanding that immediately when baby Lisa went missing, one boy was allowed to speak to cops for about 30 minutes, and one boy was allowed to speak to cops for about 50 minutes, and that`s it all this time. And they tell police that they heard something that night. The mom and dad won`t let them speak to police to help find baby Lisa? What`s with that?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: Well, they have said that -they originally said, We don`t want the police to talk to them because we don`t want to traumatize them anymore. That`s what the parents have said. That`s what Deborah said in interviews. The police have said they don`t want to traumatize these children. They just want to see if they have any other details that perhaps they didn`t get in the beginning. It was a really frantic night that night. Their sister had just been found missing, and the police didn`t get the chance they needed to.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight, Peter Odom and Renee Rockwell, both defense attorneys out of the Atlanta jurisdiction.

First of all, to you, Peter Odom. We know that a forensic specialist is

going to speak to the little boys, OK? That`s common practice all over the country because children don`t always speak in adult language.

But this is what I`ve got a hard, hard time believing, Peter Odom. Mommy says she hasn`t spoken to the boys at all about this. Now, one of these boys is 8, one is 5. Now, the minute my son wakes up, John David -- he`s 3 -- if he doesn`t see Lucy, he says, Where`s Lucy? It`s the first thing he says.

So Mommy is trying to tell me that not one time has she had to explain to these children where`s baby Lisa? I just don`t believe that, Peter Odom. Why would she say that?

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, maybe, Nancy, because it`s true. She`s no doubt been instructed by the police not to talk to the kids about the substance of it. Of course, parents are going to answer their kids` questions, but she can do it in a way that avoids suggesting anything to them. And I don`t know why you would not take her at her word, Nancy. I certainly do.

GRACE: Because having been around my own children, you know, they`re not knots on a log, Renee Rockwell. They notice when a family member is gone. You know that. So I find it really hard to believe that out of the blue, Mommy is saying, Oh, no, no, no, no, no, I haven`t talked about baby Lisa missing at all, when that`s the first thing my children say in the morning, where`s the other one? I just don`t believe that, Renee.

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: And Nancy, it bothers me that she continues to talk to the police. If she was my client, I wouldn`t let her say anything because what she does is she paints herself in the corner. If she says, I didn`t see the child at 10:00 o`clock, I saw the child -- everything she`s saying she`s committed

to.

GRACE: Yes. You know what? You know what? I appreciate that, but that`s not even remotely close to the question that I asked you.

We are taking your calls. Let`s go out Ruth in Pennsylvania. Hi, Ruth. What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is, do you believe that it`s possible that the father may have shown baby Lisa`s picture to someone at work, and he, knowing the father was working that night for the first time, went to their home? And was it just possibly a fluke that the mother was passed out and it was very easy for him to steal baby Lisa?

GRACE: Ruth in Pennsylvania, I absolutely think that that is possible. I also think it`s possible that little green men came down from a spaceship from Mars. It`s possible. I mean, I don`t know that it didn`t happen. Because your story, Ruth, is piling coincidence on coincidence, and maybe this and maybe that. And maybe the dad had a co-worker that wanted to steal a baby and found out -- and he happened to see the picture and he found out Daddy wasn`t home that night, the very night Mommy is drunk. I mean, you`re piling on one "if" after the next after the next after the next. And frankly, his coworkers are very easily identified.

And I`ve got a very strong feeling -- I`ll go back to Jim Spellman on this -- that cops verified Daddy`s location the night baby Lisa goes missing. So they know who the co-workers are. Yes, no, Jim Spellman?

SPELLMAN: That`s right. They even have surveillance tape of him

working overnight, renovating a Starbucks.

GRACE: Hey, Jim, another question. I understand the little boys` buccal swab was taken -- in other words, an oral swab out of the mouth -- to compare to mystery DNA found in the home? Now, that`s a big bombshell. Tell me about mystery DNA found in the home.

SPELLMAN: They haven`t taken those swabs yet. The police hope to do that on Friday, if the family continues to agree to that. That`s on the schedule for Friday. They haven`t done it yet.

That`s right, Nancy. Last week, the 17-hour massive search here, they got all sorts of DNA. They want to eliminate as much of it as they can to try to focus on any unknown DNA that might have been from someone, you know, an intruder.

GRACE: Everybody, our panel is taking your calls. Jim Spellman there on the scene.

Joining me right now out of Kansas City is Lisa, who says she saw a man that night around 12:30 AM walking with a baby resembling baby Lisa. Lisa, thank you for being with us.

LISA, SAW MAN WALKING WITH BABY (via telephone): Hi. Thank you for having me.

GRACE: Lisa, please clear up for us, what exactly did you see that night? What time and where?

LISA: It was that evening at between 12:10 and 12:15. My husband was leaving for work. And normally, he`ll just get in his car and just take off. Well, for some reason, that evening he started looking down the street as if he had seen something.

And then all of a sudden, he said, he was looking down the street and he ended up seeing a male (ph). He was concerned at that time, thinking that maybe this gentleman was trying to break in cars or something of that sort. So he kind of stayed there and kept an eye on him.

And then as he started walking up the street towards us, my husband noticed that he was carrying a baby in his arms. And that was kind of concerning to him because it was a chilly night, and the baby appeared not to have anything on but a diaper.

GRACE: Now, what can you tell me about this guy`s description, Lisa? What did he look like?

LISA: The gentleman was a tall -- very tall, I would say 5-7 or taller, really slender. I mean, he was pretty thin. He wasn`t big at all or not really muscular or anything like that. And from what we could tell, he had -- his head, from the streetlight, it was really, like, shiny, like it was a bald head, like, there was no hair at all.

GRACE: Could you tell if he was Asian, Hispanic, white, AfricanAmerican? What could you tell?

LISA: Based on the lighting, I could not -- we could not determine his race.

GRACE: But you saw a baby.

LISA: That`s correct. We did see a baby. Now, the baby`s complexion, we can tell that the baby was, like, a paler (ph) color, like, a white pale (ph) color that did stick out from the gentleman that was carrying her.

GRACE: Everybody, we are live in the heartland, Kansas City, Missouri, outside the Irwin home. The search for 10-month-old baby Lisa now desperate. Tip line, 816-474-8477, over $100,000 reward in the search for baby Lisa.

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BRADLEY: I was, you know, just holding my boys, and they were crying, asking, What`s going on, where`s she at, why is she gone?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police now plan to question her brothers, two young brothers, who were in the room right next to baby Lisa`s.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They will be re-interviewed again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Baby Lisa`s brothers, just 6 and 8 years old.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Scheduled to meet with a child specialist.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He just asked a whole bunch of questions, and I told him everything that I knew.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Believing that they were not objectively questioned and want some fresh faces.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To bring in some detectives who are fresheyed, fresh-eared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Complete mystery at this time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: their investigation focussing on baby Lisa`s bedroom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s dense woods. It`s hard to even walk through it when it gets into this heavily wooded area.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. Where is 10-month-old baby Lisa? We learn a highly trained cadaver dog hits on carpet near Mommy`s bed. What does the defense say to that? That it is either a poopy pants, a fingernail or another dead body. Good to know that the defense theory is that somebody else has been killed in the house!

Clear that up for me, Ellie Jostad. Why did the defense bring up the specter of a dead body at some point in the past?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right. Well, the New York attorney, Joe Tacopina, that`s representing the family, is the one that said the cadaver dog hit could have been something like a feces from a dirty diaper, which you would expect to have in a house with a young baby. He also said that it could be something like toenail clippings that fell onto the floor.

GRACE: Really? Let`s go to an expert, Tracy Sargent, canine rescue and recovery specialist. She`s joining with us her dog, Cinco, who we have featured for many times on our show. He is a highly trained cadaver dog.

OK, Tracy, help me out. In all the times that I used drug dogs, cadaver dogs, bomb dogs, fire dogs, I never heard anyone say that a cadaver dog would hit on a poopy pants.

TRACY SARGENT, CANINE RESCUE AND RECOVERY SPECIALIST: Yes, that`s an really interesting situation. There is a difference between human waste and human remains. If we have some type of human remains within feces, it is a chance that the cadaver dog would alert to that. But just strictly feces...

GRACE: Excuse me!

SARGENT: ... that seems to be kind of a stretch.

GRACE: I`m not understanding you, Tracy. Human remains equals, in my mind, dead body. Am I wrong or right? Help me out.

SARGENT: Human remains. And going back to the terminology of a

cadaver dog, human remains detection dogs are cadaver dogs, but they`re much more than that. They not only find a cadaver, which is a full-sized body, but the whole spectrum of human remains, which could be blood, tissue, organs, body parts, any type of bodily fluids. So it`s a whole spectrum of human remains, not just a cadaver.

GRACE: So the body doesn`t have to be dead for a cadaver dog to hit on the remains?

SARGENT: Well, the body itself does not have to be a full-sized body, it could be any part of a body that is decomposing, whether it could be...

GRACE: OK, oh, oh, oh!

SARGENT: ... tissue or skin.

GRACE: That`s what I needed to hear, Tracy. I`m trying to get to a point here, and I don`t think I`m doing a very good job. Doesn`t the body have to be dead for the dog to hit on the remains?

SARGENT: The dogs can hit on remains, but it doesn`t necessarily mean that it`s a dead body.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police remain stuck on a theory that Deborah

Bradley had something to do with her daughter`s disappearance.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He had the baby in his arms and he had the baby`s head kind of like this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This video, taken from a gas station near the home where baby Lisa was last seen, shows an unidentified person walking along the road around 2:15 AM October 4th. Lisa was reported missing just hours later.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) a little Baby Lisa...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The scent of a deceased human.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cadaver dog, a positive hit.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, the smell of death.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the parents` bedroom near the bed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. It`s my understanding, Jim Spellman, who`s joining us there outside the Irwin home, that Mommy has stated she failed a polygraph. Is that true?

SPELLMAN: That`s right. She said she failed a polygraph test centering

on the question of, does she know the whereabouts of baby Lisa. We understand that was the question that she failed.

GRACE: We`re taking your calls live. I want to go to L.A. Jack Trimarco, retired FBI polygraph unit chief, is joining us. Jack, thanks a lot for being with us. What does that say to you that Mommy has divulged that that is the particular question she failed in her polygraph?

JACK TRIMARCO, RETIRED FBI POLYGRAPH UNIT CHIEF (via telephone): Well, Nancy, you have to know that whenever there`s a missing child, the FBI always asks mom and dad to take a polygraph test, along with the last person to have been with the child and the person who reports the disappearance to the police.

And so we`re doing that to eliminate them from suspicion, but in reality, we also know that one third of the time, everything stops right there. When she divulges that she failed the polygraph test, you`re going hear that from her. You`re probably not going to hear that from the authorities. But she would know if she failed because if she passed, they would have shaken her hand and thanked her for coming in and hugged her and said, Hey we`re going to find out who took your baby and we`re going to get her back alive.

GRACE: Right.

TRIMARCO: If she fails or if she`s inconclusive, then they`re going to go into a nice, soft interrogation and try to get her to make an admission or a confession as to what really happened that night.

GRACE: With me, Jack Trimarco. To Marc Klaas, president and founder

of Klaas Kids Foundation. Marc, when your daughter, Polly, went missing, you begged cops, Take my DNA! Give me a polygraph! Search my car! Search my house! I don`t care what you do, but do it in a hurry so you can find my girl. What do you make of this, Marc Klaas?

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, in fact, DNA wasn`t terribly popular or even accepted at that point, so that wasn`t part of the equation.

GRACE: Right.

KLAAS: But Mr. Trimarco`s description of that scenario is exactly what happened in my case. I believe that these people have lost their sense of urgency. They`ve circled the wagons. They`re making decision by committee. They`re not letting things move quickly, as they need to.

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MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: Last person to see baby Lisa.

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There was also two older little boys in the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He didn`t know how long she`s been gone.

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: The claim is that somebody entered through the window.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF MISSING 10-MONTH-OLD BABY LISA IRWIN: Sometimes she cries, it depends on how long of sleep she`s had.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Grabbed the child and then went out the front door.

BRADLEY: But I mean if you pick her up and you hold her, she probably won`t cry.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: All of this without being noticed by Lisa`s mother or the two children, the half brothers of baby Lisa that we know that we`re in the house.

JEREMY IRWIN, FATHER OF MISSING 10-MONTH-OLD BABY LISA IRWIN: If they heard anything, they are both pretty heavy sleepers.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back. We are live in the heartland in the search for 10-month-old baby Lisa. Tonight we learn the two little brothers in the home the night baby Lisa goes missing, ages 5 and 8, are finally being questioned by cops through a forensic specialist, especially trained in questioning children.

Also the boys` Buccal swabs, their spit, to be taken to compare to mystery DNA found in the home.

We are live and taking your calls.

I`ve got a big question, Marc Klaas. I find it very interesting, not odd, not unusual, just interesting that the parents are not speaking publicly. They are not asking for help publicly, they are not speaking at vigils. Nothing. I find that very, very unusual. What are your thoughts?

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, certainly in these kinds of -- in all of these missing child cases the best advocate for the missing child are the parents. They need to get out there and oftentimes do get out there, talk about the child, answer the reporter`s questions, answer law enforcement`s questions, make themselves very, very visible, release photographs, release videos, release testimonials, bring friends and neighbors in, get the people that need to be involved in this thing going.

You need to be the cheerleader for your own missing child. There`s no better advocate and there never will be.

GRACE: You know, I want to reiterate the parents are not criminal suspects in this case.

Out to the lines, to Elaine in Illinois. Hi, Elaine. What`s your question, dear?

ELAINE, CALLER FROM ILLINOIS: Hi, Nancy. Real quick I just want to mention and I won`t mention it ever again. I did send -- resend you that letter and the man that I talked to of your people, said that -- I sent it to the right desk and then you would get it, so I hope you enjoy it.

But my question is, does anyone know if the mother is an alcoholic? And the reason I ask is because if she is, then I can guarantee you from experience that the 8-year-old is a lot more mature and knows a lot more than they would give him credit for.

GRACE: That`s a really good question.

What do we know, Alexis Tereszcuk? I understand that the mom has stated that she drinks this amount, five or so glasses of wine, a couple of times a week?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: Yes. You`re exactly right. And she said she is not an alcoholic. She says she`s entitled to have adult time.

One of her friends from when she lived elsewhere in the country has said that she knows Deborah and that she was always a drinker but she also said she wasn`t an alcoholic either.

GRACE: You know, to Brian Russell, forensic psychologist joining us out of Kansas City, you know, I`m just a JD, a lawyer. All right. I`m not an MD or an addiction specialist. But to me when you repeatedly drink until you black out, doesn`t that mean you have a problem?

BRIAN RUSSELL, PH.D., FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: In my book it does, Nancy. Any time somebody is drinking to the point where they are blacking out and they are unable to report to you with any degree of accuracy what occurred during their drunken period that is absolutely a problem. And there is no entitlement of a parent to have their downtime or their drinking time if that makes the parent impaired

to the point that they are incapable of taking care of children in their care.

In my opinion, Nancy, that`s abusive in and of itself no matter what else happens in this case.

GRACE: To Dr. Ann Contrucci, pediatrician joining us out of Atlanta.

Doctor, thank you so much for being with us. I want to go circle back to something our cadaver dog expert said. She mentioned that a cadaver dog who typically hits on decomposed, in other words, dead remains may hit on human remains such as if there was, say, for instance, a poopy pants.

If there were -- if there had been blood in the diaper as well, the dog may have hit on it. What would the scenario be for a 10-month-old child to have blood in their diaper?

DR. ANN CONTRUCCI, M.D., PEDIATRICIAN: Well, blood in the stool is not a normal thing for anyone, certainly not for a 10-month-old baby. So that would be highly unusual. I mean, just in my understanding from what she was saying is just stool in the diaper would not -- is not -- does not mean human remains. It`s human waste and there`s a difference. But yes, you`re correct in saying blood in the stool would not be a normal thing for a 10-month-old.

GRACE: And another quick question, Dr. Contrucci, the Buccal swab or also called the Buccal swab which is taken in the mouth, the spit, the saliva in the mouth, how is that done?

CONTRUCCI: It`s really done with just -- my understanding of it, I`ve never had to do it myself, but with a little Q-tip and you get the saliva inside -- the inside part of the cheek. That the Buccal area. And then you swab it and then you get the DNA. And everybody knows that DNA is your fingerprint. Everybody has got their own unique fingerprint of their DNA.

GRACE: Dr. Contrucci, another quick question while I`ve got you. If somebody had that amount of booze, I believe it was five to six glasses of wine over a couple of hours, and blacked out, how long would that blackout scenario last, do you think?

CONTRUCCI: Well, that`s an interesting question because oftentimes a complete blackout occurs with binge type drinking and if you`re drinking, you know, five, six, seven glasses of wine in a rapid succession then you`re going to probably do something like a complete blackout, and I would expect that it would last several hours, you know.

When you blacked out it doesn`t mean you`re passed out necessarily but you have no memory whatsoever of what`s going on around you, what`s happening. You may be conscious but you`re really not.

GRACE: Joining me, Dr. Ann Contrucci out of Atlanta.

Out to the lines. Sandy in North Carolina. Hi, Sandy, what`s your question?

SANDY, CALLER FROM NORTH CAROLINA: The surveillance at the convenience store, what are the chances with the technology we have now of that picture being cleared up enough to where it could be --

GRACE: You know, Sandy, my question exactly.

Liz, let me see the video from the gas station, not the grocery store where mom is getting a box of wine, because I can`t see a darn thing.

Another thing about that, Sandy in North Carolina, you know who needs to fix this for them? Target.

What`s the other store that does so well? Wal-Mart. You know they are right up there with NASA to enhance. They`ve got some of the best technique.

You see that highlighted oval? That we believe is a male, late in the night -- around what time was it, Matt? That baby Lisa disappeared and this is -- this video of a -- we believe a man based on the gait, the way he`s walking, emerges from the woods across in this gas station, 12:30 a.m., the same night baby Lisa goes missing.

But, you know, Jim Spellman, I don`t see anything indicative of this person carrying a baby. So where did that scenario come from? I don`t see it.

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. No, it doesn`t appear to be that that person is carrying a baby, though. The light colored shirt does line up with what Lisa, the neighbor here, reported seeing about a half hour or so before that.

But, look, you know, can you enhance that video that would being a great because clearly there`s not a lot for investigators to go on.

Except that somebody walked by that gas station. They got to find something else to corroborate it with.

GRACE: So that gas station video, the baby -- the sighting by the neighbors around 12:30 a.m., this gas station video is around 2:15 a.m. the same night.

Jim Spellman, two questions. Number one, did cops comb the area? The woods from which this man emerges. And number two, what the hay, why didn`t cops rip up that carpet where the cadaver dog hit? What`s with that?

SPELLMAN: First question, yes, absolutely. They`ve searched around that area. Most areas here they`ve searched multiple times. It`s really not that far. It`s one of the first gas stations you get to. They definitely went over that area.

As far as pulling up that carpet we don`t know. We know that sometimes they can just trim a small amount where they can use special lights to look at it and take photographs. Really all they needed was enough to get a search warrant and they got it.

GRACE: Everybody, we are live in the heartland. The search now critical for 10-month-old baby Lisa, as mommy says she failed a polygraph and cadaver dogs hit inside mommy`s bedroom. A mystery man emerges allegedly carrying a tiny baby the night Lisa goes missing.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Did it look like anything was disturbed in her room? I mean did anything look out of place other than her not being there.

BRADLEY: No. No. It`s like they just walked in and just disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Now if she was to have been taken out of the house at night this is almost pitch black.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Friends of Deborah Bradley say she was loving and caring.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A mom admits she was drinking that night.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But also say there were some red flags.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was definitely an attention hound.

BRADLEY: She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family. She means everything to my boys.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She would just do things to try to cause a scene every where, you know?

BRADLEY: If you have her, please, just take her somewhere safe.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Authorities plan to interview the 11-monthold girl`s young brothers.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But they are pretty young, her brothers. No police will be in the room.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Child specialist --

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GRACE: Everybody, we are live and taking your calls. Baby Lisa missing from her own crib according to mommy.

Out to the lines. Tara in Oregon, hi, dear what`s your question?

TARA, CALLER from OREGON: Hi there. Can you hear me?

GRACE: Yes.

TARA: OK. I was wondering how would someone know that they had

time to walk through that house, turn on all the lights, look for cell phones unless they knew that the mom was blacked out drunk? And how would they know that they didn`t have a home phone and they only needed to take cell phones? It has to be somebody that knew that she was passed out.

GRACE: You know, Tara in Oregon, those are very, very good questions that point to a familial abduction.

What about it? To you, Marc Harrold, former cop, Atlanta P.D., attorney and author of "Observations of White Noise?"

What about it, Marc?

MARC HARROLD, FORMER OFFICER, ATLANTA PD, ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "OBSERVATIONS OF WHITE NOISE": Well, the statistics don`t really bear that out. A crime of opportunity, if this was a crime of opportunity, somebody just thought they could get in the house. It`s the middle of the night. Somebody might have taken a chance.

It does indicate to some degree that there are more -- is more likely someone who knows the family`s pattern and that sort of thing. But not necessarily. This really could have been somebody who just came into the house and took the baby. The cell phones, it`s hard to say. Maybe they didn`t know about a landline but they took him, it seems like.

GRACE: So someone that had time to walk around the house, turn on all the lights, decide to take the cell phones -- to Jim Spellman, I`m very intrigued by the idea that the perpetrator in front of God and everybody crawled into a window in the front of the house.

You know I prosecuted a lot of burglaries. You know burglars are addicted. That and drugs and sex predators, those are three -- you really can`t rehabilitate. Burglars just love the kick of going into somebody else`s house whether they steal a Picasso or they take the roast beef out of the fridge. They`ve got to get in somebody`s house.

So how often do they go through the front window on the front of the house where the whole neighborhood can see it? What`s in the back of the house? Why didn`t they go in baby Lisa`s window, Jim Spellman?

SPELLMAN: Yes, Nancy, it`s about the window in question that the father says was open and has -- right now has the fingerprint powder around it. It`s just about the least likely place that I would imagine you would try to get in the house. The three other sides of the house are dark. There`s basement, sliding door. There`s a bunch of doors. There`s a deck that leads up to a back door and a window.

All of those are blocked from view. The front of the house is the only house on the street that doesn`t have a tree in it. It`s wide open. It would seems to be not very practical place to try to sneak in unseen into this house.

GRACE: Man, tell it, Spellman. And another thing -- show Spellman again in full for me, because right behind him is the window we`re talking -- that`s not Spellman.

Spellman in full. There -- right there. That window is the one that cops say was found open. And I watched the reenactment, Jim Spellman. One cop had to practically get on another cop to get into that window. It`s about, what, maybe 4 1/2 feet off the ground?

SPELLMAN: Yes, about 4 1/2 feet. I`m about 6`3" and it`s about this high on me so it would be difficult. And again, not where you would go to try to be stealth. And you can see here from this picture it`s wide open. There`s no shrubs, bushes in front it at all. It is just right there right in the open. It just seems -- it would be very difficult to do, Nancy.

GRACE: Agree. Unleash the lawyers again. Peter Odom, Renee Rockwell.

Peter Odom, why won`t the parents -- why have they dug their heels in, they won`t speak separately to police? Mommy and daddy say they`ll talk but not separately. Daddy has got to be there to help mommy through the interview. Why?

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes. Well, Nancy, this is a family in crisis. And they`ve been leaning on each other now for three weeks. And the police have been very aggressive with them. And you know that -- they need each other to be there. And that certainly is understandable from a human perspective.

GRACE: Please put him up. I can`t see him.

So your answer is, she just needs him to be there. OK, Renee Rockwell --

ODOM: They need each other.

GRACE: Here`s your chance. Yes, you had your chance.

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: OK, Nancy. Good cop, bad cop.

GRACE: Renee, why won`t mommy and daddy speak one-on-one to cops?

ROCKWELL: OK. The good cop, bad cop. You separate the two. I know they`re not suspects. But you separate the two. Interview the two. Go back to the other one and said, but he said this. And you know --

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GRACE: Yes, I know that, Renee. That`s not my question again.

ROCKWELL: But maybe they know that.

GRACE: Why won`t mommy speak alone to police? ROCKWELL: Maybe they know that. And maybe they don`t want to get tricked up because cops can use trickery, get any kind of fooling around. They can tricked these people into saying something they don`t want to say. I say they don`t need to talk to them at all.

GRACE: Well, thank you, Renee, that helped find baby Lisa.

To Marc Klaas. Marc, weigh in on the fact that mommy refuses to talk to cops separately without the daddy there to help her.

KLAAS: Yes. First all of, the truth doesn`t change. So as long as

people are simply telling the truth, the stories are going to be consistent. Now I understand that they are willing to have these interviews but only with police officers that don`t have any preconceived theories as to what has happened.

Now the problem with that, though, is that every detective working this case is subject to the same briefings and debriefings and the same information, so basically the family is setting up an impossible scenario.

Whoever goes in and talks to them needs to have good information so that they can ask the correct questions and elicit the correct information. And as long as the parents are telling the truth, that shouldn`t be a problem.

GRACE: Yes.

KLAAS: Only if there`s deception is there going to be an issue.

GRACE: You know, so, they are now saying they will speak separately but they want a whole new interviewer. You know a -- is that what you`re telling me, Marc Klaas?

KLAAS: That`s exactly what I`m telling you and that doesn`t make any sense. They are asking for somebody it seems like that doesn`t have the full case information and isn`t going to be able to ask necessarily the correct questions.

GRACE: And another thing, Marc Klaas, we`re learning that what they may have said to each other typically would have been protected by

the marital privilege, husband-wife privilege like attorney-client, priest- parishioner.

There is no common law marriage in Missouri. So they`re not protected, what one said to the other, by the marital privilege. Whatever they`ve said to the other can come into the court of law, can come into a grand jury.

Everybody, we are taking your calls. Parents not suspects.

Out to Debbie in Georgia. Debbie, very quickly, what`s your question, dear?

DEBBIE, CALLER FROM GEORGIA: Hi, Nancy, I have a question and a quick comment. Why hasn`t baby Lisa`s --

GRACE: OK.

DEBBIE: Why hasn`t baby Lisa`s daddy shed any tears? And also, my comment is the flipping, the dancing, I`m loving it all. You`re my hero. And happy birthday. And I love you.

GRACE: Hey, Debbie in Georgia, thank you so much.

That question out to you, Jim Spellman. What about daddy not showing emotion? Have you noticed that? Is that true?

SPELLMAN: Yes, I think that`s true. I don`t know what to make of

how people show emotion or how they carry their bodies or anything in this kind of grief. But not talking to the police, I know about that because every day the police tell us they need to interview them.

GRACE: Well, Jim Spellman, do you have children?

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, the heartland. A 10- month-old baby sleeping in a crib just feet away from her own mother goes missing without a trace, front door unlocked, front window open, cell phones gone. Grainy surveillance video emerges, Mommy shopping just before baby Lisa vanishes. What does she buy? Baby food and a big box of wine! Mommy, knocked out drunk when the baby goes missing, changes her story as to the last time she sees her own baby.

Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, investigators converge at a lake only a mile from baby Lisa`s home. Police cadaver dogs surround the lake, taking to the water by boat, as cops search frantically. Was baby Lisa dumped in a lake? This as Mommy and Daddy cancel press and a tour of the home at the last minute. Mommy says she`s exhausted and, quote, "grieving."

As we go to air, we learn cops seize rolls of tape from the home. But why? With cops set to interview the little brothers, ages 5 and 8, in the next hours, tonight, where is 10-month-old baby Lisa?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A search is going on on all fronts to try to find baby Lisa or any leads.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We all need a rest. All appointments in Kansas City today and tomorrow are being postponed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They had one of the dogs, Lacey (ph), out on a boat, an inflatable boat that the fire department was managing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anything that goes on with law enforcement in the interrogation can be spun a certain way.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And a week later, she changed her story.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is it true that you`re getting paid to avoid local reporters?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Surveillance video.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER: Not at all.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And says she put the baby to sleep at 6:30, before drinking.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then why won`t you talk to us?

BRADLEY: Because we`re grieving.

Because we`re grieving.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To find this baby.

BRADLEY: Just drop her off anywhere, we don`t care! Just somewhere safe!

GRACE: Mommy says she`s taken a polygraph, but she`s afraid she failed.

BRADLEY: Call the tips hotline!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s not castigate her. We know she made some mistakes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did things that we think are irresponsible, maybe immoral.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, investigators converge at a lake only a mile from baby Lisa`s home. Police cadaver dogs surround the lake, taking to the water, the dogs taking to the water by boat as the cops search frantically under the theory, Was

baby Lisa dumped in the lake?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRADLEY: (INAUDIBLE) she was nowhere (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: Search for baby Lisa ratchets up!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She paints herself in the corner.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Debbie says she checked on Lisa around 10:30 the night before.

BRADLEY: (INAUDIBLE) phone (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was two boys in the house when Mom was drinking and maybe even blacked out that could be a huge source of information.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My husband noticed that he was carrying a baby in his arms.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then when Jeremy got home at 4:00 in the morning, Lisa was gone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What was going on in the home, in the family, what they may have seen.

GRACE: Hasn`t Mommy admitted she was passed out cold drunk?

-- drunk...

-- drunk...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And the baby appears not to have anything on but a diaper.

GRACE: Mommy is trying to tell me...

BRADLEY: I was holding my boys and they were crying, asking what`s going on, where`s she at, why is she gone?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her down time was her drinking time. If that makes the parent impaired to the point that they`re incapable of taking care of children in their care.

GRACE: Has she had to explain to these children, Where`s baby Lisa?

BRADLEY: Please just drop her off anywhere!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. Straight out to Jim Spellman

standing by at baby Lisa`s home. Jim, what can you tell me about cops converging on a lake that`s less than two miles from the family home and cadaver dogs actually taking to the water by boat?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That`s right. There were about 30 investigators out there this afternoon, Nancy. One of these dogs, Lacey, went into the boat. This is a dog that`s been trained to detect human remains. And they say that Lacey can even smell if a body was inside the lake. She didn`t hit any positive hits from that lake, though, today. They were out there for about two or three hours today, Nancy.

GRACE: Everyone, we are live and taking your calls. Here you`re seeing video of the lake. This lake is a little over a mile from baby Lisa`s home. And today, cadaver dogs and cops converge on the lake, cadaver dogs taking to the lake by boat, in the hope of getting a clue as to the whereabouts of 10-month-old baby Lisa.

Jim Spellman, so much more has happened today in the last 24 hours, a lot of developments. I understand Mommy and Daddy announce they`re opening up their home to the press in order to answer questions, for questions to be put to rest. But then just before the press, the media, is supposed to go into the home and maybe hear from the Mommy and Daddy, they cancel the whole thing. Mommy says she`s exhausted and, quote, "grieving." Grieving? Does that suggest she knows baby Lisa is dead?

SPELLMAN: Well, I don`t know about that, Nancy. But all the media were out here ready to go. And I tell you, I`ve worked with a lot of PR people, a lot of lawyers, you know, on all sorts of stories, and I`ve never seen anything quite like this.

The attorneys here just seem overwhelmed by the simplest task. They

had this all worked out. The parents weren`t even going to be here for it. It was just going to be the attorney leading what we call a pool camera, one camera that all the media share, to go into the home, and then have a press conference later that afternoon back at their office.

And they had to pull out at the last warning (ph), sending out kind of a (INAUDIBLE) confusing press conference -- press release, and then they sent another one out clarifying that they were putting everything off to next week.

It`s hard to tell what they`ve been doing to get exhausted, Nancy, because they don`t come out to speak to the media at all. It`s like pulling teeth to get any information from the family`s attorney. So it`s very confusing.

GRACE: I want to go to Steve Helling, staff writer, "People" magazine. Steve Helling, the mom says she`s grieving? Explain that to me, please.

OK. I don`t hear Steve. Let me know, Liz, when we get Steve from "People" magazine hooked up.

Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "Dealbreakers" -- what about it, Bethany?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Well, to me the idea that she`s grieving maybe shows a consciousness of guilt. What I see more than grieving is that there is a massive resistance to telling an accurate narrative about what happened. Even if she blacked out, she has some narrative account of what happened that night, even if she remembers until 6:30, she woke up at 4:30, there`s a narrative with a

blackout in the middle of it.

But she won`t even tell that narrative. She keeps switching from story to story. And you know, Nancy, there`s only one story that never changes, and that`s the truth.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight out of New York, Sue Moss, out of Atlanta, Raymond Giudice. Also with us, renowned defense attorney Richard Herman.

Weigh in, Sue Moss.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Someone had to know Mom was drunk to take this baby from the bunk! Who was she partying with? Who was there? Somebody had to help her drink that box of wine! And that person may have done it, or know what happened! That`s why it`s so important to interview these two little boys because these two little boys -- apparently they weren`t blacked out! And to have them wait more than two, three weeks before anyone could speak to them has really hampered this investigation!

GRACE: To Richard Herman and Raymond Giudice. First to you, Herman. Mommy announces that she is exhausted and grieving. That sounds like she believes the baby is dead.

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, it sounds like her baby is missing and she`s devastated by this, Nancy. So she used the word "grieving." I don`t think she`s a rocket scientist, so that was the word that came to mind for her. She`s grieving because she misses her child and she wants the child to come back. That`s what the video just showed, her hysterical crying to the press.

GRACE: Ray?

RAYMOND GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, this is a PR mistake by their lawyers. This was an opportunity for them to answer questions and put the issues that you and Bethany Marshall just raised, the assumption that grieving means she knows the child is dead. They should have gone through with the tour, did the press conference in a controlled circumstance in their office, and moved on. Big defense mistake.

GRACE: Put up the lawyers, please -- Giudice, Herman and also Sue Moss. Sue, let`s just get real for a moment. I appreciate what Giudice and Herman are saying. And you know, maybe they can find a jury that would say that. Let me reiterate, the parents are not suspects.

But the lay definition, the lay interpretation of "grieving," I`m mourning, I`m grieving -- that`s interchangeable. And for the mom to say, I`m grieving, that`s not a good thing. That`s not a good thing at all.

MOSS: Absolutely! And add that to the fact that she has changed her story! I mean, when your child is missing, forget about what`s going to happen to you! You want to get all the facts to the law enforcement as quickly as possible! And to give a timeline that you were with the child until 10:30, when really, it was only 6:30, that`s four missing hours! And that could be very important to try to finding your child! So that alone puts some light on her as somebody you`ve got to watch!

GRACE: Out to the lines. Diane in Michigan. Hi, Diane. What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. First of all, I love you on "Dancing With the Stars." You`re doing great.

GRACE: Thank you. Thank you so much. I`m already gearing up for the jive and the tango on Monday night. I`m a nervous wreck. What do you think about this case, Diane?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, I`ll make this the form of a question. Do you think that while Mommy was passed out in the bed, her boys could have been horseplaying around, swinging little baby Lisa, and possibly dropped her, which would have caused an accident, hit her on the head? She passed out. They woke up Mommy and said, Mommy, something`s wrong with Lisa. We can`t wake her up.

The Mommy finds out what they did. So in order to protect the boys and cover up herself for child neglect, someone in the family removes the baby from the home, and on the way out, they push in the screen.

GRACE: Diane in Michigan, I think that it`s possible. I do not think that it is probable because statistically, when you look at the number of times of children killing a sibling, it`s extremely rare. I remember when JonBenet Ramsey was killed, a bunch of -- a lot of people jumped on the "Burke did it" bandwagon. That statistically is not borne out.

What about it, Giudice?

GIUDICE: Well, I think the caller brings up the problem in this case. There are a lot of things that could have happened. That`s what the defense is going to look to exploit. If you listen to...

GRACE: OK...

GIUDICE: ... them, they put out a flyer that said...

GRACE: Ray -- you know what, Ray?

GIUDICE: ... kidnapped child wanted...

GRACE: You`re a super-smart defense lawyer, but I`m trying to just steer you in the middle of the road with that very direct question.

Herman, you take a crack at it. How likely is that scenario of Diane`s in Michigan? Be brief, please.

HERMAN: I don`t think the scenario has any validity at all.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lisa Irwin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If she was to have been taken out of the house at night -- this is almost pitch-black.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police are going to interview the other children inside the home the night baby Lisa vanished.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re still working our tails off to try to figure out what happened.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRADLEY: (INAUDIBLE) around the house and we`re screaming for her and (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What really happened the night this little girl disappeared from her crib?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who are you talking to?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Complete mystery at this time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody`s talking about the parents.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The FBI and police are stumped on this one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It just takes the one right nugget of information.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They haven`t had full cooperation of the

parents since October 6th.

BRADLEY: Because we`re grieving.

-- grieving...

-- grieving...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No mother who`s looking for their child uses the word "grieving" unless they know their child is dead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An FBI cadaver dog made a positive hit.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A hit means the dog got the scent of a deceased human.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Whatever X-raying they did did not confirm whatever it was that some dog thought it smelled.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police now plan to question her brothers, two young boys who were in the room right next to baby Lisa.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: OK, wait a minute. Let me see a shot of Mommy there. OK, something`s different. Liz, has she gotten her hair cut since the baby went missing? Let me -- OK.

All right. Dr. Bethany, I`m sure the defense lawyers will say this means absolutely nothing. But when did Mommy have time while her baby is missing to get her hair done!

MARSHALL: When your baby`s missing, you can only think about one thing, that is the baby. You think about your baby.

Nancy, do you know what`s missing in all of this? I have not once heard this mother talk about the baby. Has she ever said, I miss my baby? If anybody knows anything about the baby, call me. Where`s my baby? It`s cold outside. Is my baby out in the cold? My favorite -here`s the baby`s favorite toy. If you know where my baby is, bring her back.

There`s no reference to the baby, as if the baby is alive or as if the mother even has an attachment to the baby!

So we`re talking about the word "grief," which implies that the baby is gone, which is massively different from missing, which implies that the baby is separated temporarily and at some point will be reunited with her. That`s a very big difference.

GRACE: OK, Giudice, Herman and Sue Moss. What about it, Raymond Giudice?

GIUDICE: We see nothing but pictures right now of a happy, well-fed, clean-dressed baby with toys. And a disattachment theory is just out of the ballpark. This mom is not talking about the child, under her counsel`s advice. But all the information, all of these pictures and all this video...

GRACE: Put him up!

GIUDICE: ... shows a mom...

GRACE: Ray! Ray!

GIUDICE: ... who loves that child.

GRACE: Ray!

GIUDICE: Yes, look at that baby.

GRACE: Ray!

GIUDICE: That`s not an abused baby.

GRACE: Ray, can you just...

GIUDICE: I`m listening.

GRACE: I`m going to try you one more time.

GIUDICE: Come on.

GRACE: I`m going out on a limb with you, Raymond Giudice, to see maybe -- I`m going fishing here -- maybe you`ll bite at the question I`m asking you this time, all right? Yes, I can see. Don`t care. Mommy`s behavior, just as Bethany Marshall describes it, is very, very unusual. When do you have time to go get your hair styled while your baby`s missing?

GIUDICE: She did it in the bathroom with a brush. It doesn`t look like she got some fancy haircut on Madison Avenue.

GRACE: You know, Ray...

GIUDICE: It looks like she did it in the bathroom.

GRACE: You know, Ray, I`ve known you a very...

GIUDICE: Twenty-five years.

GRACE: ... very long time.

GIUDICE: And you know there`s no MO for Mom.

GRACE: And you know what? Never mind! You know what? Cut his mike because I can`t get a question!

Richard Herman, weigh in.

HERMAN: Dr. Bethany, who I think is wonderful, is wrong. These are not discussions between the mother and the press or anybody. These are short bullet statements that she`s making. And the reason she uses the word "grieving," Nancy -- maybe she`s watched your show a few times and seen Marc Klaas on there talk about when a child is missing 24 to 48 hours, that`s the most critical time, and the majority of them are dead after that period of time.

So come on, let`s cut her a break. Let`s get some evidence here in this case. Let`s see where this investigation leads before you pin it all on this mother.

GRACE: OK, let`s hear you -- go ahead, Sue.

MOSS: Oh, you`ve got to be kidding me! When your child is missing, you stand and scream as loud as you can, Help me get my child back! Pictures everywhere! All you want to do is engage the media to try to get your child`s face on every single television screen!

I mean, this woman was sitting there passed out drunk when she has three children to take care of? There`s something really odd about this! I mean, she was so drunk, who knows, maybe she`ll even blame Ray Kronk!

GRACE: OK, let`s go to C.W. Jensen, retired Portland, Oregon, police captain. C.W., I`ve told you about the -- three of the most -- the worst minutes of any life, when I lost John David in a Toys `R Us and screamed at the top of my lungs! And I kept screaming until I could find him. Weigh in, Jensen.

C.W. JENSEN, RETIRED PORTLAND POLICE CAPTAIN: Nancy, you did

what every good mother does. You panicked. Remember this case. And I`ll tell you what. I investigated cases like this where children were gone. The mothers and fathers would go crazy. And this doesn`t smell right to me at all.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a pond about a mile-and-a-half away from baby Lisa`s house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The search for the missing 10-month-old snatched from her own crib.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s the lake in the area they`re looking at.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police in boats are scouring this lake.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a homicide investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She admits that she was drinking, that she had a lot to drink, that she passed out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was this an abduction with the parents completely uninvolved, or is the abductor somehow associated with the parents?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When you search a lake, it is a homicide investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is it true that you`re getting paid to avoid local reporters?

BRADLEY: Not at all.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then why won`t you talk to us?

BRADLEY: Because we`re grieving.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: You are seeing baby Lisa`s mom turn away from the media and say that she is grieving. You know who the gold standard is, is Marc Klaas. His little girl, Polly, went missing from her bedroom. I believe she was having a little spend-the-night sleeping party, and nobody could believe that the family didn`t have anything to do with it.

He insisted that he be questioned. He insisted that cops take him in, take his fingerprints, search his car, search his place, the whole shebang, so they could move off him and look for the real perpetrator, which they did. And he was convicted. We`re not really seeing that here.

Joining me right now, "People" magazine writer, highly respected in his field, Steve Helling. Steve Helling, what do you make of it?

STEVE HELLING, "PEOPLE" (via telephone): Well, you know, I hesitate to rest a judgment on the family because the word "grieving" basically means to cause to be made, you know, sorrowful in some way. So I don`t know that that means that she knows that baby Lisa`s dead or anything like that.

I think that it probably wasn`t the best phrase to use, the best words to use, but none of us know how we would react in a situation like this. So -- and we`ve seen cases before where we all point the finger at the parents, then come to find out some sociopath from across the street came in. So I`m just hoping that this has a happy ending, and really hoping that the parents aren`t involved.

GRACE: You know what, Steve Helling? You`re right. It`s not probable statistically, but it is possible. And the fact that -- and I spoke to one of the people out of the neighborhood, Steve Helling, that saw a man in the neighborhood that evening, they believe, that was carrying a baby around midnight. And that`s certainly thrown a wrench in the investigation.

On the other hand, to Pat Brown, criminal profiler, author of "The Profiler," you`ve got a cadaver dog hitting on the carpet in Mommy`s bedroom. And to this day, this far into it, I still don`t know the last person that saw the baby alive, other than the mother.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: That`s correct. And it`s not probable, in most of these cases, that the baby was kidnapped. And it`s not probable in this case because the evidence says it isn`t. Mommy isn`t looking. She is grieving. And that`s weird because the only type of children that usually survive these cases are babies because they`re wanted.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Parents refusing to speak to the media.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Is it true that you`re getting paid to avoid local reporters?

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF MISSING 10-MONTH-OLD BABY LISA IRWIN: Not at all.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Every day the police tell us they need to interview them.

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: You need to be the cheerleader for your own missing child. There is no better advocate.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Baby Lisa`s brothers just 6 and 8 years old.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Their involvement in this investigation is critical.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re still full steam ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To gather information about what`s going on

in the home.

GRACE: Cops also take the boys` saliva. Their spit. To compare to mystery DNA.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: On the corner of the building there, you can clearly see the white security camera.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The baby appears not to have anything on but a diaper.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many people are walking around with babies at 4:00 in the morning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The investigation is focused on finding that baby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Time is so crucial here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. For those of you just joining us, police honed it, converged on a lake less than two miles from the parents` home. Cadaver dogs surround the lake. Even taking to the water by boat.

Everyone, we are taking your calls. Very quickly to Mike Craig, K-9 instructor and hunter, president of Public Safety Dogs, Inc., joining us

out of Burlington, North Carolina.

Mike, explain to me, and explain to the viewers, about how cadaver dogs can smell a dead body through water.

MIKE CRAIG, K-9 INSTRUCTOR AND HANDLER, PRESIDENT, PUBLIC SAFETY DOGS, INC.: Well, what happens is that over a period, depending on the water temperature, the body builds up gas, and the gas starts to bubble out of the body and float to the surface. Once it breaks the surface, that`s what the dogs are smelling.

GRACE: And a lot of people don`t understand dogs can smell, for instance, accelerant when you`re looking at an arson, and then the arsonist flooded the scene. They can smell accelerant under water, they can smell dope under water, they can smell dead bodies, human remains under water. Bloodhounds can track a live person through water. They certainly can today.

Cadaver dogs and police converge on a lake less than two miles from baby Lisa`s home. And the dogs actually take to the water by boat to determine whether baby Lisa is in that water.

Out to the lines. Kaye in North Carolina. Hi, Kaye, what`s your question?

KAYE, CALLER FROM NORTH CAROLINA: Hi, Nancy. The witnesses who came and saying they saw a man carrying a near-naked baby in the middle of the night. Could any of them tell if this baby was alive? And does this father have an airtight alibi? Since one of the eyewitnesses` descriptions kind of implicated him.

GRACE: You know, it`s interesting, Kaye in North Carolina, the father does have -- to my understanding -- an airtight alibi to the extent that cops only did a poly on mommy, they were not even interested in doing a poly on daddy. They`ve got him apparently working through the night, until around 4:00 a.m. at this Starbucks opening or repairing a local Starbucks, and he was doing electric work there. It`s a second job.

So I understand -- my understanding is that he`s in the clear. What I don`t get, Kaye in North Carolina, is who saw the baby last alive other than mommy? Can somebody clear that up for me?

Ellie Jostad, I mean how do I know, nobody`s seen the baby for two days? Who can -- who can place the baby alive other than the mother?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Right, Nancy. Well, I have seen reports that the neighbor who -- there may have been a neighbor over at one point in the evening watching the children while the mom was at the grocery store with her brother buying the box of wine.

But police have not confirmed with us who outside of the family saw this child last. And the family as you know isn`t talking, so we don`t have an answer from them about that.

GRACE: Which right there, Pat Brown, when she said the family`s not talking -- weigh in, Pat.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "THE PROFILER": Yes, I would like the family -- with a lawyer -- to clear up all these problems that are giving them a very bad reputation in the public eye.

I mean, these questions, was the father really at work all day long.

Well, we`ve heard that he does have an alibi. But if I was that man I`d step out and say, look, the reason they`re not looking at me is because there was a video camera on me eight hours straight, I worked with a guy that was there. I never left the premises.

But we have all these open-ended questions which is keeping us from looking for a baby. And I want to point out one more time, children, when they`re taken, are taken usually for sexual purposes. They are dead within 48 hours, like Marc Klaas says. Babies are not. They`re taken by people who want them.

Why does the mommy not think that baby is out there? Why is she grieving? Why are the people look -- why are the police looking for a body?

GRACE: Joining me right now is a special guest, Gil Abeyta, who met with baby Lisa`s parents. Gil`s son, missing for 25 years. Gil, once hauled in by police, questioned about the missing son, cleared, obviously, and actually traveled to go help in the search for baby Lisa.

Gil, thank you for being with us.

GIL ABEYTA, MET WITH BABY LISA`S PARENTS, SON HAS BEEN MISSING FOR 25 YEARS: Well, thank you for the invitation.

GRACE: Gil, you have been in a similar spot, as baby Lisa`s parents, and you travel. We`re showing a shot of your son when he went missing, at an age-progression right now to 23. You traveled all the

way to help the parents. What happened when you got to baby Lisa`s home?

ABEYTA: Let me -- first of all, I`m not hearing you real well, but let me respond to you and what I wanted to say to make sure that I say it. The advantage I have, over all of you coming up with possibilities, and mother and father and all this kind of stuff, I`m a victim.

I went through exactly what they went through for a long time. I`m not guilty, I`m still here talking to you. And I came purposely to talk to the victims, to see exactly what kind of condition they`re in, so that we can help them. Not to hurt them.

And what I saw, and I only met with them for about a half hour, was I saw that they were in very, very bad condition. Incapable, I say incapable of being able to respond intelligently to what`s going on.

Also the fact that they were -- that they brought in people that just forced themselves into a private eye, an attorney, and they told them not to talk, not to do anything. They are scared, like scared rabbits in a cage. They don`t know what to do. They don`t -- what`s going to happen, if the pressure continues, they`re going to beat up so bad, someone is going to commit suicide.

GRACE: Well, you know what, Gil, we certainly do not want that.

You are seeing shots of Gil`s baby that was kidnapped -- kidnapped and now baby Lisa.

Gil, when you first went to meet with baby Lisa`s parents, what

happened?

ABEYTA: Could you say that just a little bit louder? I`m in a --

GRACE: Sure. When you first went to meet with baby Lisa`s parents, Gil, what happened?

ABEYTA: Well, I saved them to the last. I`ve been here over three weeks. And I usually -- I usually go into the mother and father. But I gathered all the information around them. I met with some of the family members. I listened to all the reports. And then finally I went in there.

I went -- first, I went into -- and they didn`t recognize me and I wasn`t able to get into the house. The second time that I went in there, I was with a number of people, and there was just too much running around. I didn`t have the right -- right conditions to be able to sit down and talk to them, and help them and do whatever I could.

They were -- they were receptive, but they were not what I expected. I wanted to get more information, but it wasn`t the right opportunity. So we left it open. I said I want you to think about --

GRACE: What do you mean by that? I`d like for you to be clear, Gil. You said that it was not what you expected. What do you mean by that?

ABEYTA: Well, I expected that we would sit down, with nobody around, and be able to review some of the problems that are going on within their - - within their family. I didn`t have that opportunity. I actually

was standing up every time that I was talking to them because there was other people there. And it`s just not the right time.

It was not the right conditions to be able to sit down and go over it. I wanted more. And so I said, I will be back when you want me, if you want me. I`m not here to force myself to you. And I said, but we`ve got to go over everything. I did say to them that, you`re making a few mistakes. And I realize they may not even be your problem. But you have to talk to the media.

GRACE: What mistake? Yes.

Everyone, with me is Gil Abeyta, his child went missing. He tried to meet with the Irwin family.

Out to the lines, Jonnie in California. Hi, Jonnie, what`s your question?

JONNIE, CALLER FROM CALIFORNIA: Hi, Nancy, how are you doing tonight?

GRACE: I`m good, dear.

JONNIE: I have two questions. And one I think was answered. I`ve been going over this grieving word she`s been using, too, as well. It just didn`t sound right to use the word grieve. But I`ve heard a lot. So it`s possible she could be grieving.

My second question is, I`m curious about the window and the door situation. I remember them saying the window was open, the front

door was unlocked when the dad came home. Why would anybody need to go through the window when the front door was unlocked?

GRACE: You know, Jim Spellman is standing there outside the Irwin home. I think that the theory is the perp would have gone through that front window, gotten the baby and then come out the front door.

Do I have Spellman? There he is. Let`s take him in full, please, so we can see not only him but the house beside him.

Weigh in, Jim Spellman.

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT, ON THE SCENE OUTSIDE BABY LISA`S HOME: That`s the theory, that someone went in that window, it`s very difficult. It`s about four feet high and it`s wide open, no trees or shrubs in the way. It`s one of the most visible windows on this whole bloc. And then they would have come out after having turned the lights on, come out the front door. That seems to be the theory anyway.

GRACE: And Jim, tell me about the window in baby Lisa`s bedroom. How high up off the ground is it?

SPELLMAN: Well, the window we`re talking about is into a computer room, then baby Lisa`s window. So baby Lisa`s window is actually quite high up off of the ground. It`s in a backyard. The yard`s sloped down. So that would be high.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The investigation is focused on finding that baby.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Time is so crucial here.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Trying to find baby Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can`t take anyone off the table as a possible suspect.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A new search is now under way.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Fresh sets of eyes on these searches. New personnel, new investigative tools.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police in boats are scouring this lake.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: They`re out there with cadaver dogs.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Just a short drive from baby Lisa`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: They can even -- their handlers tell me detect scents of a deceased person in that water.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: New twists and turns out of Missouri.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A lot of questions, frankly, about the tactics the family is taking in this investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Hoping to hear from the parents` attorney speaking today. That didn`t happen. Media was supposed to get inside the home. That didn`t happen today.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: They`re canceling all that. They were too tired.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And a search is now under way for Lisa Irwin, the Kansas City baby who vanished from her crib more than three weeks ago now.

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GRACE: Welcome back. We are live and taking your calls.

Back to Jim Spellman, CNN correspondent joining us outside the Irwin home.

I understand that cops seized rolls of tape from the home? Why?

SPELLMAN: We`re not sure why they took the rolls of tape. They also took some baby clothes, a comforter. We know that from the affidavit that they have to file after they do that. But we don`t know why they`re being close-lipped. They hope, though, that the big -- the next real advancement in this case will be tomorrow when they can interview the boys again.

GRACE: Out to the lines. Annette in Washington state. Hi, Annette. What`s your question?

ANNETTE, CALLER FROM WASHINGTON: Hi, Nancy. I just want to say I absolutely love your show and you look fantastic since you`ve done "Dancing with the Stars."

GRACE: You know what? Did you know I`ve lost 21 pounds?

ANNETTE: Yes, I can tell. I need to take --

GRACE: I`m too tired to eat, diet. What`s your question, love?

ANNETTE: Well, I was curious about -- somebody kind of brought it up tonight, but I was curious about when baby Lisa`s mom was in the store buying the box of wine, the gentleman that was with her. Someone tonight said that was --

GRACE: Yes, it turned out to be her brother. Brother, Annette.

Is Annette still there, Liz?

Annette, that was her brother.

ANNETTE: OK. Have they questioned him? Or took a lie detector on him since everybody`s seeing a sighting of a gentleman?

GRACE: Good question. Good question, Annette in Washington state.

Steve Helling, what more did they glean from the brother? I`m still trying to find out where the baby was. I`m guessing the father may have been at home since he was working the night shift that night when she was at the store buying that big box of wine with her brother.

But can you tell me, Steve, who else saw the baby last? Ellie Jostad told me a neighbor may have. And what did the brother have to add?

STEVE HELLING, STAFF WRITER, PEOPLE MAGAZINE: Well, there are a lot of may-haves in this one. We`re not exactly sure who the last person to see baby Lisa was. It is true that the father was at home while mom was out buying the wine and the baby food and all that. So we do know that. But we don`t really -- everything`s kind of a blur after dad went to work. Probably because, you know, mom had been drinking. And so things are up in the air.

GRACE: Yes.

HELLING: We don`t know what else, you know, the brother has said. And the police are kind of keeping that close to the chest right now.

GRACE: Back to the lawyers. Sue Moss, New York, Richard Herman, normally out of New York, and Vegas, Raymond Giudice joining us out of Atlanta.

Sue Moss, what happened today? The parents had agreed to open up the home, have a tour for the press, maybe speak. At the last minute everything got canceled.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: And you`ve got to understand, there has to be a reason why. What you want to do in an investigation like this is to bring one of those pool cameras into the house, let the story become alive for all the people so that they can continue the search.

GRACE: What about it, Raymond?

RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think the lawyers missed an opportunity to put out some of these questions that still are burning, that were raised tonight. I think a lot of them are questions that shouldn`t be raised and should have been put to bed and move on.

GRACE: Put Ray back up.

You know, Ray, listen, you were a prosecutor before you were a defense attorney way back when. Here`s the deal. The parents have to know that these questions are impeding the investigation. If somebody else took the baby, they need to go ahead and sit down with the cops, separately.

You know, mommy won`t talk to cops without daddy there holding her hand. And it`s just like Marc Klaas always says, he offered himself up, and said, go ahead, question me, so you can get off me and look for my child.

GIUDICE: Well, we can agree in spirit that they have counsel. This was a good opportunity for counsel to start answering these questions. There may be other opportunities in the future to answer the questions that you and Miss Marshall have raised tonight. So I do agree with you on that.

We may disagree on the separate questioning and other things. But I do think counsel missed a good opportunity today.

GRACE: Yes. And Richard, he`s right. In fact, another thing they could have done is have their lawyer, their local counsel do that walkthrough. They`re the ones that offered it up to the press. Said, hey, come look at the house. And even if the lawyer would answer the questions and say, look, the daddy was at the night shift, there are witnesses there, cops didn`t want to give him a polygraph, mommy did or didn`t flunk the polygraph.

This is -- you know, all of these questions could be answered by the lawyer. None of that would be held against them. That couldn`t even be brought up at trial if they took the stand, if they ever went to trial.

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You`re right, Nancy. But I`m going to respectfully disagree with some of my colleagues here tonight. I don`t think they owed the media or the press any right to walk through that house or do anything. And Joe Tacopina is the attorney in town representing them now. He`s a colleague of mine

from New York. He`s been around the block. He`s very competent.

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GRACE: Yes, well, you know, Richard --

HERMAN: The only people they have to talk to are the police.

GRACE: You know, you`re wrong at the get-go, Richard.

HERMAN: No, I`m not.

GRACE: Because -- you`re wrong at the get-go.

HERMAN: They owe it to the police, not to the public.

GRACE: And I`ll tell you why. No, they don`t. They don`t. But they offered it up.

HERMAN: A mistake. GRACE: And then --

HERMAN: A mistake.

GRACE: -- just before everybody`s going to go in there and go hey, let`s get some questions answered, where you could measure the window off the ground, where you could see the walking trail, where

you could measure this and that, and see for yourself, it was all canceled.

HERMAN: That`s for the police.

GRACE: To Bethany Marshall, weigh in.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": Well, I think one of the most important things you do in a forensic psychological examination like with baby Lisa`s mom is you talk to the mom and you see whether or not she has basic empathy for the child.

Does she say well, today was her 11-month birthday, or she used to play with this little toy, or this was her favorite blanket. If the mother does not have empathy towards the child, that is a bad sign, and with this tape you`re rolling, she sounds hostile towards the interviewer rather than empathetic about her child.

GRACE: To Ellie Jostad, what more can you tell me? So much is happening right now I know around that gas station where you see a guy emerge early in the morning around 2:00 a.m., that whole area has been searched.

JOSTAD: Right.

GRACE: I wonder if they have clarified that video. That surveillance video. Because I really couldn`t make it out that well.

JOSTAD: Well, we do know that law enforcement and the FBI have reviewed that tape. Unknown, though, if they`ve been able to enhance it, if they`ve been able to tell the gender of that person, get a general description of them, whether or not that person looks like the people in the neighborhood saw.

GRACE: Breaking now. Cadaver dogs -- breaking now, cadaver dogs and cops surrounding a local lake less than a mile away from mommy and daddy`s home.

Has baby Lisa been thrown in the lake? That`s what cops are investigating.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: So who is Deborah Bradley?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She is like all of us.

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Cops want to interview these parents separately.

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GRACE: We are live, and taking your calls. Out to John in New Hampshire. Hi, John. What`s your question?

JOHN, CALLER FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE: Hi, Nancy, great job on "Dancing with the Stars" first of all. You go, girl.

GRACE: Thank you.

JOHN: And my theory is it had to be the mother or someone she knows. Because you said last night that they took all the cell phones in the house. And if it was a stranger, they`re not going to know how many cell phones are in the house, where they`re at in the house and they`re not going to spend all that time to look for cell phones. That`s ridiculous.

GRACE: You know what, that`s a good question. What about it, Steve Helling? Do we know if the cell phones were all in one place and charging, or something like that?

HELLING: That`s another thing we don`t know. We hear that they were on the counters but we don`t know if they were on the same counter or anything like that. You know that`s one -- yet another one of the mysteries on this case.

GRACE: Steve Helling, writer with "People" magazine.

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10- month-old baby sleeping in a crib just feet away from her own mother goes missing without a trace, front door unlocked, front window opened, every cell phone gone. Grainy surveillance video emerges Mommy shopping just before the baby vanishes. What does she buy? Baby food and a big, honkin` box of wine! Mommy knocked out drunk when baby goes missing, changing her story as to the last time she even sees her own baby.

Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, at the 11th hour, Mommy and Daddy put the skids on their boys, ages 5 and 8, revealing what they know, both boys in the home when the 10-month-old vanishes. And at this hour, has there been a blow-up inside the defense? Reports the imported New York defense lawyer boots local counsel off the case.

And have Mommy and Daddy been caught yet in another story change? After telling cops they did not pay a cell phone bill and couldn`t dial out, we confirm a 50-second call was made from the socalled stolen phone within hours after baby Lisa goes missing. And did Mommy tell cops she refused to look at her own back yard for baby Lisa because, quote, she was "afraid" of what she would find? Tonight, where is 10-month-old baby Lisa?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news. An interview scheduled to take place today with baby Lisa`s brothers has been canceled. Police say the New York attorney representing baby Lisa`s parents called them to delay the interview.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) for any sign of baby Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They can even smell this if the body was inside the lake.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nothing but pictures right now of a happy, wellfed, clean-dressed baby with toys.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police have not confirmed with us who outside of the family saw this child last.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You talk to the mom and you see whether or not she has basic empathy for the child.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This as reports swirl the local attorney for baby Lisa`s family is off the case.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, this woman was sitting there passed out drunk!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dogs did not get a sample scent of baby Lisa. They are trained to pick up a generic scent of any human remains in the area.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What I see more than grieving is that there is a massive resistance to telling an accurate narrative about what happened.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hope the baby is safe somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m really praying that she`s not in there.

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GRACE: And tonight, season 13 "Dancing With the Stars." With us, Jerry Springer, Indy 500 champ Helio Castroneves (ph), season 13 pros Mark Balas (ph), Tasha Farber, Val, season 2 winner and music superstar Drew Lachey, dancing pro Chelsea Hightower (ph) and my partner, Tristan MacManus, all taking your calls.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The judges have their scores. (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Len Goodman (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Seven.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bruno (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Eight.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A nine. A nine.

TRISTAN MACMANUS, NANCY`S PARTNER: She wants to do something that`s more difficult, but we don`t have that time to spend six or seven hours on one step.

GRACE: And I`ve just practiced harder and harder.

I have been in the rehearsal hall since, believe it or not, 7:20 AM this morning!

MACMANUS: I`ll send her off to work on next week.

GRACE: Hey, I like this! He`s a very good teacher!

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GRACE: Good evening, everybody. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, at the 11th hour, Mommy and Daddy put the skids on their boys, ages 5 and 8, revealing what they know, both of those boys in the home when the 10-month-old baby sister vanishes.

And at this hour, a blow-up within the defense. Reports the imported New York defense lawyer boots local counsel off the case.

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GRACE: Mommy announces that she is exhausted and grieving.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER: He said, She`s not in her crib.

GRACE: That sounds like she believes the baby is dead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police in boats are scouring this lake.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were out there with cadaver dogs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Parents haven`t spoken with police in a couple of weeks.

BRADLEY: Fresh clothes on her, get her ready for bed and...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Media was supposed to get inside the home.

GRACE: This far into it, I still don`t know the last person that saw the baby alive, other than the mother.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That didn`t happen.

BRADLEY: Give her her bottle, made sure her binky was in her crib in case she needed it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s something really odd about this! She was so drunk!

BRADLEY: She sleeps with her Barney and she sleeps with her Glow Worm (ph) and her blanket. And I said, Call 911! Call 911! And we`re running around the house and we`re screaming for her! And she was nowhere!

GRACE: Mommy`s behavior...

BRADLEY: It`s like they just walked in and just disappeared!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are scared like scared rabbits in a cage.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And why won`t you talk to us?

BRADLEY: Because we`re grieving.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Didn`t sound right she used the word "grieve."

GRACE: Very, very unusual.

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GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. In the last hours, the parents put the skids on their two boys, ages 5 and 8, from revealing what they know, both of the boys in the home at the time that baby Lisa goes missing, their 10-month-old baby sister. Both of them have stated, apparently, that they heard noises during the night.

This as we confirm that cell phone that the parents say was stolen, they said could not dial out because they forgot to pay the bill that month -- well, a phone call was made out from that cell phone in the early morning hours after baby Lisa disappears. A 50-second, nearly a minute phone call goes out.

Straight out to Jim Spellman, CNN correspondent, joining us there in Kansas City. Jim, why did the parents at the 11th hour stop the interview with their two little boys?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We don`t know, Nancy. It`s been such a confusing week, the information we`re getting from the family`s team. First they canceled the media tour here yesterday. Then they canceled the press conference. Then they canceled today`s interview with the boys. Investigators were really hoping this was going to give them some new information to try to get a foothold on finding baby Lisa. Now it`s canceled, or rather, we should say postponed until next week. But every day, we get a different story, so we`ll have to wait and see what happens.

GRACE: Joining me right now is a special guest, Erin Miller Weiss, a child forensic interviewer. All along, the parents have said it would be too traumatic for the boys speak to the cops. So cops import a special forensic counselor trained to speak to children.

Erin, thank you for being with us. Erin, after many years of prosecuting cases where children were victims, you really -- to get all the facts, you really have to speak to the child in child language, isn`t that right?

ERIN MILLER WEISS, CHILD FORENSIC INTERVIEWER (via telephone): That`s exactly right, Nancy. And I just wanted to point out, you mentioned that sometimes, there are concerns that this process is

going to be traumatic for children. And I can tell you that there are children`s advocacy centers and forensic interviewers across the country who are committed to making sure that this process is as child-sensitive as possible.

We want to gather as many facts and information from children in child terms, and we don`t want them to lead them to any particular statement.

GRACE: Well, you know...

WEISS: And so we take great care...

GRACE: ... Erin -- Erin...

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MILLER: ... very deliberate in that.

GRACE: For instance, when I would be dealing with a child witness, for instance in a child molestation case -- I`m thinking of one specifically -- you know in an indictment, it helps you if you have a date of the offense. Although you can put a range -- between April and June, this incident happened.

But for instance, a child might go, Well, I don`t know what day it happened. You can ask, Well, was the Christmas tree up? Was the Easter bunny coming? Did you have your Halloween costume already? There are a lot of ways to unlock a child`s mind and get the story out

of them without traumatizing. Would you agree, Erin?

WEISS: Yes, there are many questions that we can ask to narrow down timeframes. We might ask about weather. What was the weather like? Or how old were you? Who was your teacher at the time? Was it just before or after a particular holiday, before or after your last birthday? So there are many questions that we would ask to, again, narrow down the timeframe. And it`s not unusual for a child to not remember specific dates that...

GRACE: You`re right, Erin. Erin Miller Weiss, joining us out of Kansas City.

Unleash the lawyers. We are all taking your calls. Jim Spellman there outside of the Irwin home. Where is 10-month-old baby Lisa? There is a very strong possibility this child is still alive.

Joining me out of New York, Joe Lawless, defense attorney, author of "Prosecutorial Misconduct," Penny Douglas Furr, defense attorney out of Atlanta, both not just pretty faces, both have tried a lot of cases, know their way around the courtroom.

You know, Joe Lawless, at a certain point, when parents continue to block police investigation, there is a way around this, if they will not let the children talk to forensic investigator, and that is an investigative grand jury. Grand juries are called for two reasons. One, as a charging tool to get an indictment, and number two, as an investigative body. And they can issue a subpoena to these children if the parents continue to put up roadblocks.

JOE LAWLESS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, there`s no evidence

that the parents put up roadblocks. What happened is you have Joe Tacopina coming in, who just got involved. He didn`t cancel the interview, he postponed it. I expect it`s simply because Tacopina wants to get a handle on all the facts before he agrees to it. He`s a very experienced lawyer, and I`m sure he knows about investigative grand juries.

GRACE: Well, hold on. Let`s just check those facts out for a moment. Ellie Jostad, how long has the New York lawyer been on the case?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Oh, I couldn`t give you the exact date he joined it, but he`s been on it, I would say, at least a week, Nancy.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nine-year-old Robby Wood (ph) -- Robby has a sever case of autism and was last seen with his father and other family members before running off.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A grueling search effort made even more challenging by the rugged geography.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Robert Wood, Jr., has been found and reunited with his family. He was found at approximately 2:00 PM on a Martin Marietta quarry property. It was approximately three quarters to a mile from where he was last seen. The search is over. The investigation continues. And there are a lot of people to thank.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here at VCU (ph) Medical Center. He`s in the

emergency room. He`s being evaluated at this time. And they could not tell us how long he`s been here or what he`s being treated for.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No one on the team ever gave up. And I have to say that there was some times that you just had to reach down and find that faith that you were going to find him. And whether it`s appropriate or not, there is a God. He listens to prayer. And prayers were answered.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say they`re frustrated but they won`t stop looking.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cadaver dogs had their nose to the ground on the shore line, sniffing for any sign of baby Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Parks, abandoned homes along this route to the Festival Food site.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s near this lake? I`ll tell you what`s there. Festival food market!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The night that she went missing buying that box

of wine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Deborah Bradley was sitting right here on this stoop with a neighbor, and they were drinking.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If they heard anything, they both are pretty heavy sleepers.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This woman was sitting there passed out drunk when she has three children to take care of!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigators are looking everywhere and following...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mommy -- who besides the mother was the last person see baby Lisa?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The search for Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Beautiful little girl.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody out there looking for that baby.

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GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. Straight out to Beth in Canada. Hi, Beth. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Thank you for everything you do. I have a question regarding the store, OK? She is looking happy throughout. The brother of her is looking distraught (ph) (INAUDIBLE) He`s got long or medium-long hair. Then he dropped her off. (INAUDIBLE) his vehicle? He could have shaved his head. He could have changed his shirt, you know, that type of thing. And why are the children still with the mother, the other two children, because aren`t they at risk (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: You know what? That`s a great question, Beth in Canada. Out to Sheryl McCollum, crime analyst, director of Cold Case Investigative Research Institute. Sheryl, right now, some people would consider this case as going cold. I don`t think that yet. I think it`s still close enough to the time of the incident and some things are developing. They`ve gotten a thousand leads in. The reward is up to $100,000. To me, this case is still very, very hot.

SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST: It`s red hot.

GRACE: However, you know, Sheryl, when one child gets stolen, kidnapped out of the home while Mommy is passed out drunk, very often, you see the children taken from the family. What do you make of this?

MCCOLLUM: Well, family services certainly needs to open an investigation just based on what she has already admitted to. However, they`re working right now that this is a stranger abduction.

Here`s the biggest problem with this whole thing from what Mama has said from the beginning. There is no case more urgent and timesensitive than a child abduction. Why in the world would she stall any

investigation by not submitting to another interview, by not letting her husband take a lie detector, by not letting her kids give DNA?

She is stalling the "rule in and rule out" process. Why would she do that...

GRACE: Hey, you know what, Sheryl?

MCCOLLUM: ... if she weren`t guilty?

GRACE: You just brought up -- you just brought a really good point. Back to Jim Spellman, CNN correspondent, outside the home. By refusing to let the boys talk to the special counselor about the night baby Lisa goes missing, they also are not giving their buccal swab. All that is, is you take -- it`s like a Q-tip, and you swab the inside of the mouth. That`s it. So there`s mystery DNA in the home. The cops want the boy`s buccal or buccal swab. The parents have put the skids on it. Where were the boys at the time baby Lisa goes missing, Jim?

SPELLMAN: The boys were there in the house with a child of a neighbor, watching movies earlier in the evening. We know that at least one of them was in bed with Deborah Bradley when her husband came home, according to what they told police in the police report.

And investigators tell us every day it`s essential to their investigation to be able to interview the parents, get the DNA from the boys, and have these specially trained social workers interview the boys.

GRACE: Penny Douglas Furr, how long until they convene an investigative grand jury and subpoena the two boys?

PENNY DOUGLAS FURR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, that`s totally up to the police and the direction in which they want to go. They can start one any time they want to. But if I was a mother, I would get a psychologist for my children and then let their psychologist be present at the interview.

GRACE: Penny, that`s a great idea. Hey, Mommy and Daddy, are you listening?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Daughter Lisa was taken from our home.

BRADLEY: We have to be strong for her!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hair samples, mouth swabs.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hours of interviews.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Using X-ray equipment that can be used to look inside walls, through floorboards.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A garden area where dirt appeared to be recently disturbed or overturned.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The search for Lisa, a beautiful little girl.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Baby Lisa Irwin, still missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A bizarre case.

BRADLEY: Call the tips hotline if you know where she`s at!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They say they are exhausted.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody`s sleeping. Nobody`s eating.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s hard to tell what they`ve been doing to get exhausted.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mommy isn`t looking (ph). She is grieving, and that`s where...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They don`t come out to speak to the media.

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GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. To Caryn Stark, psychologist joining us out of New York. Caryn, how would this counselor go about questioning the boys about the night their sister goes missing? Give it to me in a nutshell, Caryn.

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: The best way to question children, Nancy, is to be in some kind of a play situation with them. So either have them make up a story or be playing a game with them, and while you`re engaging them in a fantasy world, then you bring in the facts of what you`re trying to get out of them so they`re connected to you and they don`t have to be afraid of what`s happening.

But children, when they act out fantasies, the fantasies are based on things that they know, and so then they can begin to talk about what`s happened to them.

GRACE: To Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert. Ben, the parents have stated they could not make outgoing calls on their cell phone because they forgot to pay the bill. Yet now we confirm through two sources that a nearly a minute call was made in the hours after baby Lisa goes missing from the stolen phone -- the stolen phone. What does that tell you, Ben Levitan?

BEN LEVITAN, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT (via telephone): Well, Nancy, that is a really bad lie because this is pretty forensic evidence. A 50- second call was made. Not only that, we`re going to be able to find out where that call was made from, from a general area. Was it made from the house? Was it made from the supermarket? Who was it made to? Are there other calls that were made?

Now, these sound like people who are used to having their phone cut off because you know when your phone gets cut off, you can still get incoming calls for a while. It was a convenient lie. But this is not something that you can dance around when the -- I don`t know if the police are holding this back to use it in an interview, but this is real forensic. And this is not something you can talk your way out of.

GRACE: And it`s going to be very interesting to find out who that call was made to after the cell phone was stolen. To Dr. Vincent Dimaio, former chief medical examiner, Bexar County, forensic pathologist. Dr. Dimaio, so great to have you with us. If the parents are afraid or concerned about their children giving a buccal or buccal swab, could you explain what that is? Doesn`t harm them or inflict any pain at all, does it?

DR. VINCENT DIMAIO, FMR. CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER (via telephone): No. All you do -- essentially, it`s like taking a Q-tip, putting it in the mouth and swabbing one side of the inside of the mouth.

GRACE: With me, Dr. Vincent Dimaio. Tonight, the search on for a 10month-old baby girl allegedly stolen out of her own crib just feet away from her own mother. A $100,000 reward, tip line 816-474-8477. Where is baby Lisa?

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, GUEST HOST: Breaking news tonight out of America`s heartland in the search for 10-month-old baby Lisa, reported missing from her own crib in the dead of night. New exclusive details surface as we trace one of the family`s cell phones, stolen the very night baby Lisa vanishes. A mystery call comes from that stolen cell phone the very night baby Lisa is kidnapped. And joining us live

tonight, the woman who got that call.

Also, there`s more stunning developments linked to multiple sightings of a man carrying a baby just three miles from the crime scene the day baby Lisa is reported missing. As footprint evidence from a neighbor`s back yard emerges, is this all connected to the disappearance of 10-month-old baby Lisa?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who are you talking to?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why in the world would she stall?

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER: The only thing I can think of is...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) stranger breaking into the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think she was stolen from that home.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Reward`s up to over $100,000.

BRADLEY: You know, maybe somebody wanted a baby!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I thought it was just, you know, a guy with a baby.

GRACE: A phone call was made out on that cell phone in the early morning hours after baby Lisa disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Taking baby Lisa.

BRADLEY: (INAUDIBLE)

She`s a little girl. She`s (INAUDIBLE) family

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then I heard on the news that it was a kidnapping.

-- kidnapping...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is a very rare event in America.

GRACE: This case is still very, very hot.

BRADLEY: (INAUDIBLE) she means everything to my boys!

GRACE: When one child gets stolen, kidnapped out of the home while Mommy`s passed out drunk...

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening. Jane Velez-Mitchell, in tonight for Nancy Grace. The search goes on for 10-month-old baby Lisa, reported missing from her own crib.

Straight out to CNN correspondent Jim Spellman, live on the scene. Jim, you`ve been doing some excellent reporting. What can you tell us about new details you`ve learned in this extraordinary investigation?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the first thing that we learned was really shocking. This phone, one of the three phones that was taken the same night that Deborah Bradley says that baby Lisa was taken -- we know that a phone call had been made from those. We learned yesterday that the woman, Megan Wright (ph), who received that phone call, that 50- second phone call, is the exgirlfriend of the man known as Jersey, John Panco (ph), kind of a homeless drifter who did yard work and things like that for people in the neighborhood. So to connect those two people was really stunning to me, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. And we have an exclusive interview tonight with Mary Hurt. She is a neighbor of Lisa`s family. Police, I understand, checked her property for suspicious footprints.

Mary, first of all, thank you for joining us tonight. I know you are here to be of service in the frantic effort to find this adorable, precious, helpless child. What do you know about this man known as Jersey? Police say he is not a suspect in baby Lisa`s disappearance. However, you have some absolutely extraordinary information about what happened that night, the night the child disappeared, and what you saw. Tell us.

MARY HURT, NEIGHBOR (via telephone): Well, Jersey did handyman work for our next-door neighbor that lives, obviously, next door to us.

And he was around a lot and we got to know him as an acquaintance. And he, you know, talked to us on many occasions.

And our neighbor told us that the night that that baby went missing, the man who was seen coming up the street, came and went on our property and through our next door neighbor`s gate and up -- you know, or going up towards -- there`s a hill that goes up towards some town homes that are behind us.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, what do you know about Jersey? What are your thoughts about him? I understand that he is behind bars on a burglary charge of some sort. But again, he`s not considered a suspect in this case. But do you have any thoughts about him, his character, his personality?

HURT: Well, he definitely was suspicious and kind of shady, I would say. He kind of comes out of nowhere. He never is specific on where he`s been or where he`s going. You kind of see him around the neighborhood and just pop in and talk. He was always friendly, but he definitely let us know in the last probably week before all of this happened that he was wanted for an outstanding warrant that he had for his arrest, which was kind of a shock to us. So definitely...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you ever see him with the woman who was apparently at one point his girlfriend, who says that she got a call from the phone that was stolen at the very same time, reportedly, purportedly that the child was taken from the home?

HURT: Yes. I`ve actually spoken to her, as well. She was often at the neighbor`s house, hanging out with him. And the neighbor had taken her home a couple times. So she was definitely around. I definitely saw her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And how do you know you saw her? Is it because of her hair color, because she has a distinctive hair color?

HURT: Well, her hair color was different then. But you talk to (INAUDIBLE) you can see the facial -- you know, I`ve seen pictures of her in the media since then. And as soon as I saw her I was, like, That is his girlfriend because I already -- we already knew her name and her age and it all fit. And seeing a picture of her on the news, definitely, it was her. But she has since changed -- I mean, her hair was not pink when she was hanging around at that house.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, well, I want to go back to Jim Spellman because we have to get some of the complicated facts of this laid out, and then we can get analysis from all of our many expert guests tonight. The fascinating thing about this is that the call happened between 8:00 and 8:00. Now, take us through the timeline because, OK, the mother of the missing child, Deborah Bradley, goes and gets wine, right? And then she comes home, and she says she puts the child in the crib at about 6:40, and then she`s drinking with a neighbor until about 10:30 at night.

And now we`re hearing that, Wait a second, this phone that was purportedly stolen, the call goes out between 8:00 and 8:30. So that would belie the whole idea that the phone was stolen after she went to sleep at 10:30, if the call is made between 8:00 and 8:30. Jim, what do you make of it?

SPELLMAN: Yes. It`s weird. It`s hard to really draw any conclusions from all these things. But when you look at that timeline -- baby goes down at 6:40, call -- 8:00 to 8:30 is the call to the phone. About 12:15 is the sighting of a person with a baby on the street, who then hangs a left into the yard that is Mary`s yard and goes into this back

yard. Then right behind that back yard is a dumpster. At 2:30 in the morning, a dumpster fire is reported in that very dumpster. Shortly thereafter, right around that time, there`s video at the BP gas station. Then around 4:00 o`clock, a couple of miles away, is the final sighting of the evening of a person carrying a baby by the man on the motorcycle.

So there`s lots of stuff and lots geography to tie them together, but it is really hard to tell what it all, if anything, means and how it might connect to Deborah Bradley, Jeremy or baby Lisa.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Pat Brown, criminal profiler, we can`t draw conclusions, but it`s pretty bizarre. I mean, just laying out the facts of this, it`s bizarre that a child is stolen from a home. Well, the mother had at least five glasses of wine, approximately, and may have been also taking anti-anxiety meds, and so she doesn`t necessarily know what happened. So there`s that factor. Was she in a blackout?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: That`s not a factor, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But then you have...

BROWN: Jane, Jane, that`s not a factor. There is no proof of that`s how much she drank. She simply claimed she drank that much. We don`t know. She may have been drunk, she may not have been drunk.

What we do know is that her stories continue not to add up. And it`s like a jigsaw puzzle. As we get all these bits and pieces, eventually, the story is going to come out, and it`s not going to be a story of a kidnapping. I just can`t believe that with all the pieces that we have so far.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, one of those pieces, Bradford Cohen, defense attorney, is that cadaver dogs hit on a piece of carpet on the floor of the mom`s bedroom. Now, the mom says she passed out, went to sleep, whatever you want to call it, at about 10:30 at night. She says she had a little kitten she rescued along with at least one of her sons. There were two other boys in the house, 5 or 6 and 8. And so they`re sleeping there.

And then the husband -- or not the husband, they`re not married. She has another husband who`s serving in the military. The father of this child comes home at 4:00 in the morning and discovers the lights on and the door open, or the door unlocked, I should say, the window open, the screen kicked in, and says, What the heck`s going on? And she jumps out of bed.

So now, when you add, Bradford Cohen, all these other pieces -- this homeless man who is in the area, allegedly, perhaps, his ex-girlfriend, the lady with the pink hair who gets the phone call from the phone that was purportedly stolen from the house, what do you make of it?

BRADFORD COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, in terms of the cadaver dog, they`re not 100 percent reliable. Don`t forget cadaver dogs hit on -- on - - and I don`t want to sound gross, especially on Halloween, but you know, they hit on rotting meat, generally. In terms of, like, even during 9/11, they went to a meat shop at one point during 9/11 when they were looking for cadavers. That`s not 100 percent.

We don`t know what was on that floor, and we don`t know if it was human or not human. I know there`s arguments that say they only smell human. That`s not necessarily true. That`s the first part.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, so you`re saying...

COHEN: And second part is, if she...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... that the cadaver dog...

COHEN: ... so drunk, how could she pull this off?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... might not be accurate. Go ahead.

COHEN: Yes. That`s 100 percent. But if she`s so drunk, how is she going to pull this off? How is she then sleeping when the husband comes home? There`s a lot of things that might not make sense in terms of pointing to guilt to her, as opposed to pointing to that she`s completely innocent. We have no idea what`s going on.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well...

COHEN: So for the profiler to say they think that her story doesn`t add up -- that may be true, but there`s also things that point to say that she`s not guilty by her story not adding up.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Woodrow Tripp, first she said she thought that she last saw the child at 10:30. Then there was a new story -- I`m not saying she`s changing her story. We just heard a new story that she put the child away at 6:40, but that she went to sleep at 10:30.

Now we`re hearing that this mystery phone call was made at 8:00 --

between 8:00 and 8:30. That would be before the mother goes to sleep. How could the baby and the phones be stolen out from under the mother`s nose before she goes to sleep, and a phone call made from that phone by a purported abductor, when, by her own account, she has not gone to sleep yet? She`s still drinking with the neighbor outside on the stoop.

WOODROW TRIPP, FMR. POLICE COMMANDER, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Well, Jane, based on everything, as we`ve already seen, you want to take odds on her story will now change again as to the timeline? It`s changed each and every time to fit the circumstance of what she`s been presented with. So I wouldn`t want to take odds on it that it`s not going to change again. And at this point, I`m pretty sure that it will.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, we want to find this precious child. Look at that innocent face. Look at that beautiful little child. She`s an innocent. She has done nothing, nothing wrong.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Baby Lisa Irwin still missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A bizarre case.

BRADLEY: Call the tips hotline if you know where she`s at!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s been missing for almost a month, and we have brand-new developments.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They say they are exhausted.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody`s sleeping. Nobody`s eating.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The neighbor who lives in this white house saw a man walking up this hill carrying a baby like this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was looking at the gentleman because he was walking up that way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigators took molds of footprints right here along this flat area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you`re that tired, you`re bound to make itty, bitty mistakes in timelines.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police begging for information, and they`re getting cancellation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s only one story that never changes, and that`s the truth.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is it true that you`re getting paid to avoid local reporters?

BRADLEY: Not at all.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then why won`t you talk to us?

BRADLEY: Because we`re grieving.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: You may have heard it there. She says, Because I`m grieving. And a number of people immediately wondered, why is she grieving when we are searching for her child and there is no word at this point, official or otherwise, that the child is deceased?

I want to bring in Dr. Helen Morrison, forensic psychiatrist, author of "My Life Among the Serial Killers." What do you make of her use of the term "grieving"?

DR. HELEN MORRISON, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, grief can mean many things to many people. Grief can come with loss, and they have lost this child. We don`t know the circumstances of what loss means, but we know that the child is gone. And so grieving has to be related not only to the possibility of death, but also to the fact that this

child is not there any longer.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, I think what you`re saying is give her a pass on saying that. That may have just been a term (SIC) of phrase she used that is not signifying anything more than she`s sad and she`s really sad.

Let`s go the phone lines. They are lighting up. Krystal, New Jersey. Your question or thought, Krystal?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love you and Nancy. Thanks for everything you do. I just wanted to say, God forbid if one of my boys was missing, I would be at the mercy of the police. Lock me up. Do anything you have to do. Bring my child home. Doesn`t the lack of that speak something about the parents, that they are not throwing themselves out there and exposing themselves to bring that gorgeous baby home? Thank you, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, thank you. Excellent question. Jim Spellman - or actually, I`ll put this out to Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline. There has been a lot of back and forth about whether the two boys who were in the home that night, who apparently heard a noise at one point, will be allowed to be interviewed by police, even if it`s using a child services expert. What is the latest?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: Well, the latest is that the family attorney, Joe Tacopina, says that they will be meeting with the investigators, the little boys will. He said he`s not going to tell us when it is, but they are going have that meeting.

This has been a big problem for the police. They want to talk to these

children. They won`t question them themselves. They`re going to bring in a specialist who knows how to deal with children and how to get the right responses out of them. But they feel like this is so important to the investigation. They were there. They maybe know something.

But the family has put up roadblocks. The mom has said she hasn`t even asked them about what happened because she doesn`t want to traumatize them any more. So there are definitely some -- this is something the police want, but the family so far has said no. However, the attorney says now it is going to happen.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but didn`t they say that it was going to happen before? I remember having this -- this is like deja vu all over again, as they say. I mean, last week, we talked about, Oh, yes, the family`s going to allow it, and then they pulled back at the last second, didn`t they.

TERESZCUK: You`re absolutely right. There were two attorneys on board last week. The local attorney, who has since been fired, said, Yes, we`re going to do the meeting. And then she said, You know what? I did some research and I`ve decided that nothing good can come from this meeting, so I`m fully canceling it, while the attorney who was on originally, Tacopina, says it`s going to happen. There`s been a lot of back a