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1 P R O C E E D I N G S
00:00:40 2 ELECTRONIC VOICE: 12 hours, 30 minutes,
3 30 seconds.
4 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: No, any information,
5 that would be great.
6 MALE SPEAKER 1: Okay. Right now I get to
7 kind of work on, I guess there's (inaudible) in the
8 cockpit.
9 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: They've got a lot in
10 front.
11 MALE SPEAKER 1: We'll call you right
12 back. I just want to see (inaudible).
13 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: Thank you.
14 MALE SPEAKER 1: Okay.
15 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: Forty miles north of
16 JFK.
17 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: Forty miles out of New
18 York.
19 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: We don't even know.
20 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: We don't know how many
21 (inaudible) on board. It was originally --
22 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: Hold on. You heard
23 that, right?
24 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: They're going to New
25 York.
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1 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: Airborne.
2 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: Hey, you know what?
3 You know what? Let's get a tail number for American
4 11.
5 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: Call Boston, American
6 11 tail number.
7 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: Tell them we need the

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8 tail number of the aircraft.


9 MALE SPEAKER 2: American 11?
10 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: Yes, it is .
11 FEMALE SPEAKER 3: Right now I can find
12 (inaudible) only.
13 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: Do you have (inaudible)
14 or anything?
15 FEMALE SPEAKER 3: I'm not showing
16 anything, no. Hold on. I can get a lat long for
17 (inaudible).
18 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: We're going to get an
19 updated lat long now. We've got an updated lat long.
20 We called Boston and filed 114 -- 1443, but he's not
21 -- he's not working that. He's on primary only.
22 We're getting an updated lat long position and I'm --
23 FEMALE SPEAKER 3: Okay. It's showing 39
24 North --
25 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: 4039 North.
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1 FEMALE SPEAKER 3: And 7403 West.
2 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: 7403 West. Did we get
3 a tail number?
4 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: That's where she said
5 it was. I don't see anybody going -- but wait a
6 minute (inaudible).
7 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: Hello.
8 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: 46 scramble. Got a Z
9 point?
10 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: 403924.
11 BACKGROUND MALE: I got an 8-mile
12 (inaudible) .
13 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: Let's bring it up and
14 find the primary.
15 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: Well, we're looking to
16 see for a first target. In fact, all they have is
17 primary. I don't see -- so she knows that.
18 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: Call -- call her back
19 and tell her that we want -- if it's possible that
20 she has (inaudible), we need updates every 3 to 5
21 minutes. We need lat long updates.
22 FEMALE SPEAKER l: Is there any way,
23 ma'am, that we can get updates as far as the lat long
24 for that aircraft, you know --
25 FEMALE SPEAKER 3: The last thing I'm
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1 showing it's tracking coast right now, so I --
2 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: Tracking coast
3 (inaudible).
4 FEMALE SPEAKER 3: It means we -- as far
5 as I'm showing here, (inaudible).
6 MALE SPEAKER 3: Hi. Good morning. This
7 is (inaudible) military calling at New York center.
8 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: How are you doing?
9 MALE SPEAKER 3: Good, good. Our watch
10 supervisor, he needs the number for a possible
11 hijacking. He wants to call somebody in case they
12 need some assistance with your fighter jets.
13 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: Our phone number is
14 going to be -- (inaudible) or commercial?
15 MALE SPEAKER 3: It would be commercial.

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16 FEMALE SPEAKER 1 Okay. It's going to be


17 area code 315 --
18 FEMALE SPEAKER 2 Just give him --
19 FEMALE SPEAKER 1 I'm sorry --
20 FEMALE SPEAKER 2 Give him --
21 FEMALE SPEAKER 1 I know. They want the
22 (inaudible) number.
23 FEMALE SPEAKER 2 No, that's what I'm
24 saying. Just give him this one. It doesn't matter.
25 They're monitoring us anyway. You can contact
0006
1 631-468-5959 and they can keep you more updated on
2 that.
3 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: That's military?
4 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: Sorry?
5 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: Is that New York
6 military?
7 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: No, that's (inaudible).
8 MALE SPEAKER 2: Yes? I'm going to take
9 care of it. All righty? Bye.
10 MALE SPEAKER 1: I think we're working on
11 that. I don't have anybody that (inaudible).
12 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: No, any information,
13 that would be great.
14 MALE SPEAKER 1: Okay. Right now I
15 (inaudible) the cockpit.
16 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: We need --
17 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: And they lost primary.
18 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: New York center. He's
19 getting the phone number for (inaudible) right now.
20 (Inaudible).
21 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: Okay, that's the one --
22 that's the same number Shelly got. Did that -- did
23 you get that to work?
24 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: I tried --
25 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: The 142 -- do you know
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1 the flight level of the second aircraft?
2 MALE SPEAKER 1: I think we're working on
3 that. I don't have anybody to cover it now, but --
4 (inaudible). We don't have anybody close to him.
5 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: Okay. Thank you.
6 MALE SPEAKER 4: I do not see a primary
7 target at this moment. However, he's not in my
8 airspace.
9 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: Okay. Just wanted to
10 give you a heads up. I don't know if you know, but
11 the World Trade Center's just been hit by an
12 aircraft.
13 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: We've lost primary on
14 this guy.
15 MALE SPEAKER 4: Do you have - - d o you
16 have that confirmed?
17 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: That is on the news,
18 sir, right now.
19 MALE SPEAKER 4: Okay. There's too many
20 people talking at once.
21 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: I hear that too. Thank
22 you. If there's anything else we need, we'll give
23 you a call.

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24 MALE SPEAKER 4: Okay. Thank you.


25 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: Are we still trying to
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1 work a tail number on this guy?
2 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: We have made the call.
3 We have a hotline to New York military -- or, no,
4 Boston military. Where is it as compared to a Z
5 track?
6 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: And they lost primary.
7 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: New York center.
8 MALE SPEAKER 4: Okay. I ran the Z point.
9 (Inaudible) primary.
10 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: (Inaudible) on the line
11 right now, but that's number (inaudible) if you want
12 to call them back.
13 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: Okay. That's the one
14 - - i s that the same number Shelly got? Did you get
15 that to work?
16 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: I tried --
17 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: Call 1427.
18 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: Tried it on the phone.
19 You can try the black phone. 631.
20 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: Yep. Confirmation?
21 Who's giving you that confirmation? They did crash
22 into the World Trade Center. Who's giving you that
23 confirmation?
24 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: Boston.
25 FEMALE SPEAKER 2: Boston's confirming --
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1 Boston's confirming that was the aircraft that
2 crashed into the Trade Center. American 11.
3 FEMALE SPEAKER 1: Boston's confirming it
4 is the aircraft.
00:44:40 5 MALE SPEAKER 5: (Inaudible) center.
6 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yes, this is Major
7 Anderson from the Northeast Air Defense Sector.
8 MALE SPEAKER 5: Yes, sir.
9 MALE SPEAKER 6: I'm looking for your SOF,
10 if he's available. Actually, you can maybe answer my
11 question.
12 MALE SPEAKER 5: Yep.
13 MALE SPEAKER 6: We're wanting to know how
14 many aircraft you have down there with your spares,
15 and how many pilots if we possibly need them.
16 MALE SPEAKER 5 Four and three.
17 MALE SPEAKER 6 You have four aircraft
18 and three pilots?
19 MALE SPEAKER 5 Yep.
20 MALE SPEAKER 6 Okay. Are our three
21 pilots there and able to fly?
22 MALE SPEAKER 5 We have three total, so
23 (inaudible), yeah.
24 MALE SPEAKER 6 Okay. So basically what
25 I'm requesting you to do is get those guys ready to
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2 know once you know.
3 MALE SPEAKER 5: Hang on one -- Borgy,
4 come here. I got the SOF for you right now.
5 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay.

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MALE SPEAKER 7 : This is Captain


Borgstrom.
MALE SPEAKER 6: Hey. This is Major
9 Anderson, the MCC at NEADS
10 MALE SPEAKER 7: Hey, what's up?
11 MALE SPEAKER 6: If you guys have been
12 watching the news, I'm sure you're probably aware now
13 we're -- we're wanting to -- we just wanted to
14 confirm your number of aircraft and pilots available
15 if we need to scramble you guys, if we can scramble
16 more than two. So I was told you have four airplanes
17 and three pilots. Is that correct?
18 MALE SPEAKER 7: That's correct, with no
19 SOF. But yeah, we can get three airborne if we have
20 to.
21 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay. Just stand by to
22 stand by. We'll let you know if we need to do that,
23 but you can only put three in the air, so we need to
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25 MALE SPEAKER 7: Only two hot birds. You
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2 MALE SPEAKER 6 Understand that.
3 MALE SPEAKER 7 Okay.
4 MALE SPEAKER 6 Okay.
5 MALE SPEAKER 7 All right. We'll, we'll
6 gin another one up.
7 MALE SPEAKER 6 Okay.
8 MALE SPEAKER 7 Thanks.
9 MALE SPEAKER 6 Thanks. Bye. Hey,
10 Langley -- Langley has four aircraft, but they only
11 got three pilots. So they can have two hot birds and
12 they're ginning up the other one to fly. They can
13 put three in the air if they have to.
14 MALE SPEAKER 8: Well, actually, open up
15 the 107. We got two tankers coming into 107. We'll
16 probably end up taking those.
17 MALE SPEAKER 9: We've got Langley on
18 battle stations. We may end up scrambling them.
19 We've got two tankers out of McGuire.
20 MALE SPEAKER 6: Call signs?
21 MALE SPEAKER 9: (Inaudible) something or
22 other. I'll get you call signs. They're going to be
23 coming out and holding in 107.
24 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay. Is there airspace
25 in 107 yet?
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1 MALE SPEAKER 9: No.
2 MALE SPEAKER 6: We'll work on that.
3 Okay. Stand by. When we get the hang-off --
4 MALE SPEAKER 9: Are we going to take
5 Lumpy in here since he's in there and we'll find a
6 (inaudible) just in case you need another telephone
7 line to anybody?
8 BACKGROUND MALE: Did you find (inaudible)
9 yet?
10 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. We're going to
11 (inaudible).
12 MALE SPEAKER 9: Maine to Bangor tanker.
13 Maine from Bangor.

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14 MALE SPEAKER 6: Can you find some better


15 pens, like black? \6 BACKGROUND MALE: There is no black pens.

17 MALE SPEAKER 6: Oh, this is the one I


18 expected to walk into this morning. What are you
19 going to do? Thank you, sir. If you can get a code
20 on team 23 and team 24 I would appreciate it.
21 BACKGROUND.MALE: Where are they coming
22 out of?
23 MALE SPEAKER 6: They're coming out of
24 McGuire.
25 MALE SPEAKER\9: Hold on, hold on, hold
0013 \ on. Tell Giant Killer that NORAD 1, air Alpha,

2 India, and Golf for a real world mission and we need


3 them to get all other military aircraft out of
4 (inaudible).
5 MALE SPEAKER 6 :\s weapons 105.
6 Okay. I would call McGuire approach. Ask them if
7 they have a code on team 23. and 24. Hello.
8 BACKGROUND MALE:\, right there,
9 right? \0 UNIDENTIFIED MALE; What are you look

11 for?
12 UNIDENTIFIED MALE:\r 1, call
13 approach.
14 MALE SPEAKER 6: 10\ is a fighter
15 squadron. \6 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I 1

17 MALE SPEAKER 6: Hey, Joe. Where's the


18 106 out of? What are they?
19 MALE SPEAKER 10: May day 5, Huntress, be
20 advised you have a stranger 280 for 20, 25,000,
21 left-hand turn. As a fighter, we're getting them to
22 RTB.
23 BACKGROUND MALE: Do you have a cap point
24 yet?
25 BACKGROUND MALE: No, we've got two F-15s
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1 that are going to passing over New York. I got a
2 tanker in Northwestern 105 and I got two tankers I
3 just grabbed out of McGuire who are going to cap in
4 107. Right now that's all I got. All the
5 (inaudible) are heading home out of 105 (inaudible).
6 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No answer at McGuire.
7 MALE SPEAKER 6: Several numbers for them.
00:50:00 8 Oh wait, hold on. Well, we also - - w e put in the
9 request to send up all Otis aircraft, so that makes
10 things -- hey, you don't have a number for 106
11 fighter squadron anywhere, do you?
12 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not on this sheet.
13 MALE SPEAKER 10: May day 5, Huntress. Be
14 advised you have tankers doing intercept with
15 (inaudible).
16 MALE SPEAKER 6: Call the Giant Killer.
17 Give him a heads up that we're going to be getting
18 team 23 and team 24 out of McGuire going down to 107,
19 ask them if they got any codes on them.
20 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, I never have
21 either.

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22 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay, and we need


23 airspace.
24 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Giant Killer, 107
25 controller.
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1 FEMALE SPEAKER 4: Go ahead.
2 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah, this is Huntress.
3 We've got team 23 and team 24 are going to be in 107
4 here in a few minutes. Have you got any codes on
5 them at all? They're coming out of McGuire?
6 FEMALE SPEAKER 4: They don't have
7 anything on team 23 or 24 yet.
8 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay. What about the
9 airspace?
10 FEMALE SPEAKER 4: Their airspace is
11 already -- actually we already have a 21 flight in
12 there.
13 MALE SPEAKER 6: You got a team 21 flight
14 in there right now?
15 FEMALE SPEAKER 4 That's affirm.
16 MALE SPEAKER 6: Code on them?
17 FEMALE SPEAKER 4 3332.
18 MALE SPEAKER 6: 3332. Copy all. I'll
19 let you know what's going on.
20 FEMALE SPEAKER 4: All right.
21 MALE SPEAKER 6: Team 21 is already --
22 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Major Fox, we have a
23 second.
24 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay, they already have a
25 team 21. If we can get him, then we're good to go.
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1 I was told team 23, not team 21.
2 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You got somebody out
3 there right now out of McGuire? All right, I'll
4 break the mode.
5 MALE SPEAKER 6: Team 21 is right here. ]
6 believe he's airborne right now.
7 UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. This is Giant
8 Killer 9241.
9 MALE SPEAKER 6: Answer Giant Killer.
10 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hold on a second.
11 MALE SPEAKER 6: 64 at 234.6.
12 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, 45 and 46 are
13 airborne now. That's the ones we have airborne that
14 we scrambled.
15 MALE SPEAKER 6: 234.6. I have 234.6.
16 What do you want me to use? You've got 64.
17 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Giant Killer, while
18 you're at the --
19 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you have team 21
20 contact Huntress on 234.6?
21 MALE SPEAKER 6: Confirm the airspace.
22 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Confirm for me we have
23 airspace (inaudible) exclusive.
24 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That'll be fine.
25 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Copy that. I just
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2 Right now we just - - w e have the airspace --
3 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a third

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4 aircraft headed towards Washington right now, an


5 American Airliners.
6 BACKGROUND MALE: Who's on New York right
7 now?
8 MALE SPEAKER 6: That's close enough for
9 now.
10 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're getting more
11 now.
12 MALE SPEAKER 6: We're scrambling Langley
13 through Washington area now. I need to intercept
14 mission (inaudible) in area 4. Probably not
15 squawking anything anyway. I mean, obviously these
16 guys are in the cockpit. This is code 3332. We're
17 going to keep it in 107, correct?
18 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Correct, yeah.
19 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay. United in 21.
20 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're going to be
21 getting Quit 2526.
22 MALE SPEAKER 6: United Airliner 175, the
23 second one --
24 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- on 010 heading --
25 MALE SPEAKER 6: A third one that's
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1 heading toward Washington now.
2 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- flight 290. Okay?
3 MALE SPEAKER 6: It'S an American
4 Airliners. I don't know what the --
5 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He'll have to maintain
6 corns with FAA and Victor (inaudible). Your mission
7 will be to bring him up north. For now, just head
8 him towards Baltimore Washington International.
9 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay, okay.
10 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tell them to
11 coordinate with center that NORAD wants them to cap
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13 MALE SPEAKER 6: American Airlines 11?
14 Right.
15 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- over Baltimore
16 Washington -- in the Baltimore Washington
17 International --
18 MALE SPEAKER 6: Do you know what type it
19 is?
20 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gotcha. (Inaudible)
21 off center. No problem.
22 MALE SPEAKER 6: Get rid of that.
23 Actually no, I want -- well, okay, that's fine for
24 now.
25 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Copy that. The third
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1 one --
2 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay.
3 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 25 and 26. Thank you.
4 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay. And you
5 scrambled Langley, correct?
6 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm good, I'm good. I
7 never got a --
8 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't have a place
9 on him yet. We don't know where he's at yet.
10 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don't know where he's
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12 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, obviously


13 these guys are in the cockpit They're not going to
14 squawk in a code.
15 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Team 21, Huntress on
16 234.6. How copy? Team 2223. Giant Killer,
17 Huntress, 924 line, reference 107, and team 21.
18 FEMALE SPEAKER 5: Giant Killer.
19 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, Giant Killer,
20 Huntress here. I'm not talking to team 21. I need
21 to come over - - h e has to come over to 234.6 for
22 Huntress.
23 FEMALE SPEAKER 5: Okay, you want
24 (inaudible) Huntress. Say again your frequency.
25 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 234.6.
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1 FEMALE SPEAKER 5: 234.6. He's coming to
2 you.
3 UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 107. We have team
4 23, we just got a radar hand-off on them from New
5 York center. They're squawking 1641. They're
6 returning to 107 in approximately one minute.
7 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Copy that. Have them
8 contact Huntress on 234.6.
9 UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 234.6?
10 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
11 UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right. That's
12 affirmative. And you have over through Echo, 5 to
13 50500 exclusively.
14 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Copy that exclusive.
15 Thanks. Papa Tango.
16 MALE SPEAKER 6: Langley has three
17 aircraft, so we have four aircraft --
18 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay, let's find them.
19 MALE SPEAKER 6: He can get three
20 airborne. Only two of them are hot. I passed that
21 to the FO.
22 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's not even in our
23 airspace yet.
24 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Holy schnikes, Batman.
25 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay. Here he comes.
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1 BACKGROUND MALE: And they say the same
2 old shit.
3 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Team 21, team 21,
4 Huntress, radar contract, sending out our angels 23
5 and 107. How copy?
6 MALE SPEAKER 11: Team 21.
7 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Team 21, maintain
8 angels 23 rev, Whiskey 107, 6,000 flight level, 500
9 concurrent. Your mission is to orbit Whiskey 107.
10 MALE SPEAKER 11: Team 21 copy. And I
11 guess we'll hang out here until you tell us
12 otherwise?
13 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's affirmative for
14 team 21. Also we have team 23 should be entering the
15 airspace in a few more minutes. Team 21, Huntress,
16 requesting to know what your off-load is right now.
17 Don't they have --
18 MALE SPEAKER 11: We'll tell you in a
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20 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Copy all.


21 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you find a 1641?
22 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. I wasn't even
23 looking. I was doing something else.
24 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right.
25 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's all right.
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1 Keep spiking. You'll find him. Ten miles north.
2 We need codes and M-2s so we, you know --
3 MALE SPEAKER 11: Huntress, team 21. I
4 understand you need this - - i s this a fuel emergency?
5 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Negative for now.
6 Just want to know what your off-load is for potential
7 problems.
8 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So FAA's got no
9 position on these guys at all? They got no radar
10 contact on them or anything?
11 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: American Airlines 11
12
13 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.
14 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 767. November 334,
15 Alpha, Alpha.
16 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.
17 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He has never been
18 found. He is not one of the aircraft that did that.
19 They expected he --
20 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you watching for
21 radar always? Because my -- my take is, obviously
22 these guys are in the cockpit. They're probably
23 strangling off the code.
24 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay. We're going to
25 hit up some track, see if we can find a likely --
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1 MALE SPEAKER 11: Huntress, team 21.
2 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- intercept it and get
3 a visual ID.
4 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay. You want to
5 move tankers into this area?
6 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, but what we might
7 do --
8 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bring them later.
9 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: - - w e may bring the
10 second guy up at least in the 380 --
11 MALE SPEAKER 11: Huntress, team 21.
12 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Team 21, Huntress. Go
13 ahead.
14 MALE SPEAKER 11: We can off-load 43K.
15 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Huntress copies 4 --
16 about 43K. Thanks.
17 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay.
18 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: SC, 43K for team 21,
19 for an off-load if you need it. How many -- how many
20 team (inaudible)?
21 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir, and
22 (inaudible) been scrambled. You have a mode 3 on a
23 Quit 25 (inaudible)?
24 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, Steve. How many
25 tankers do you have and what are their call signs?
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2 going to be getting team 23 shortly. I don't know if


3 team 23 is a flight (inaudible) yet or not.
4 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay, so you got 21
5 and 23, it's coming to you?
6 UNIDENTIFIED MALE : Yes. I have 21 now.
7 BACKGROUND MALE: Q-u-i-t.
01:00:00 8 UNIDENTIFIED MALE : Major Anderson, you
9 got a second?
10 UNIDENTIFIED MALE : Tell me what you need,
11 John. I'11 get it.
12 UNIDENTIFIED MALE : Have you asked -- have
13 you asked the question what you're going to do if we
14 actually find this guy? Are we going to shoot him
15 down if they got passengers on board? Have they
16 talked about that?
17 BACKGROUND MALE: Airborne?
18 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Airborne. Time?
19 What's the airborne time on Langley?
20 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're getting it now.
21 We got a flight at 3 airborne.
22 BACKGROUND MALE: 25, 26, 27?
23 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah.
24 BACKGROUND MALE: Airborne time?
25 MALE SPEAKER 6: They're still working on
0025
1 it. They don't have it yet. 25. 1325 airborne time
2 for Langley.
3 BACKGROUND MALE: 25?
4 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 25.
5 BACKGROUND MALE: FAA'S back to Langley.
6 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay. I got another
7 aircraft, three aircrafts that are sort of missing.
8 I got United and American -- American --
9 BACKGROUND MALE: Say again?
10 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got a question for
11 you. The military aircraft that are in the air right
12 now.
13 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir?
14 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were wondering if
15 we should tell them to return to base if they're just
16 on training missions or what you guys are --
17 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, no. They're
18 actually on the active air for the DO out there. We
19 did send the ones home in 105 that were on the
20 training mission. They are sent home. The Pantas
21 are out there for (inaudible).
22 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. I understand
23 that. I'm talking about -- I think there's someone
24 training up in Falcon area.
25 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, Falcon? Stand by.
0026
1 Let me
2 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In general, anybody's
3 that training --
4 BACKGROUND MALE: Call Boston, call
5 Syracuse.
6 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If he's in training,
7 send him home.
8 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If he's in Falcon,
9 send him home?

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10 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.


11 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Makes sense to me.
12 I'll run it up to the FO, but --
13 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, yeah, go -- go
14 ahead and send them home.
15 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay.
16 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not yet. We're
17 working with FAA. There is sketchy coming out of
18 FAA.
19 BACKGROUND FEMALE: Is it all right if --
20 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah. They're --
21 they're on it now.
01:10:30 22 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Say again? No, I
23 don't need the chair, no. Take them.
24 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What's the code?
25 BACKGROUND MALE: Delta what?
0027
1 BACKGROUND FEMALE: 89.
2 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Code? So that's a
3 special 089?
4 BACKGROUND FEMALE: Yeah, that's another
5 (inaudible). Delta 89, Bravo (inaudible).
6 MALE SPEAKER 6: They're heading there
7 now. Friggin' Giant Killer in their wisdom sent them
8 out over the water when we scrambled them to
9 Washington. No.
10 BACKGROUND MALE: Delta 89 from Boston.
11 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah. That's the one
12 that shot to Cleveland now. And I passed that to
13 weapons so they're know -- they're aware of it. This
14 is fucking -- all six (inaudible). This is another
15 possible hijack right there. We got Langley -- Giant
16 Killer, we scrambled them out to Washington. Langley
17 -- Giant Killer sent them out over the water. Yeah,
18 we had -- and we had a radar-only hit that was
19 turning into -- into the Washington area, so they're
20 out over the water now heading to Washington. We've
21 got Otis scrambled out that was in 105 but is heading
22 up to the New York City area to hang out over there,
23 and we got three tankers all out over the water.
24 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And they got tankers
25 (inaudible) anything available? Can they arm -- I
0028
1 don't think they can arm anybody in time, but --
2 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah, that's a -- that's
3 a good call.
4 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Talk to me about
5 Selfridge.
6 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, they got guards
7 posted all over. They ought to have some --
8 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Quit 25, Huntress.
9 Confirm all birds squawking quad 7.
10 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Affirmative. All
11 birds are squawking.
12 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Quit 25, read back
13 correct. I show the tab Bra 310, 95 miles.
14 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, you're going to
15 have to go up to another setting.
16 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Quit 25, traffic, Bra
17 310, 22, 25,000, track east.

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18 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Polk Field, there's no


19 spaces.
20 MALE SPEAKER 6: The track's 43 miles
21 east. Yeah. Hey Mo?
22 BACKGROUND MALE: Yeah?
23 MALE SPEAKER 6: That guy south of
24 Cleveland, it's still a hijack, right? Okay. We're
25 scrambling Toledo on him right now. Okay. We're
0029
1 scrambling Toledo on him now. Sergeant Powell?
2 BACKGROUND MALE: Yes?
3 MALE SPEAKER 6: Shadow monitor is a
4 mission on that.
5 BACKGROUND MALE: I want to know whose
6 authority.
7 BACKGROUND MALE: We don't have any
8 authority over him.
9 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah. I mean, they got
10 to work it through FAA.
11 BACKGROUND MALE: What can I do?
12 BACKGROUND MALE: Was that Toledo or
13 Selfridge?
14 MALE SPEAKER 6: Toledo. Do we want to
15 call Selfridge and see if they've got anything?
16 Yeah, Toledo's actually a better position. Selfridge
17 would have to chase the guy down.
18 MALE SPEAKER 12: All right, Captain
19 Nagel. How are you?
20 MALE SPEAKER 13: You guys been watching
21 CNN?
22 MALE SPEAKER 12: Yes, sir.
23 MALE SPEAKER 13: Okay. There's another
24 one, south of you guys, 70 miles, about 40 miles east
25 of Toledo.
0030
1 MALE SPEAKER 12: Excuse me?
2 MALE SPEAKER 13: There's another one,
3 another hijack, another hijack.
4 BACKGROUND MALE: Possible hijack.
5 MALE SPEAKER 13: A possible hijack south
6 of you guys. We're just wondering if you guys are
7 flying.
8 MALE SPEAKER 12: We're landing now.
9 We're approaching down right now.
10 MALE SPEAKER 13: Okay.
11 MALE SPEAKER 12: We're starting to get
12 these guys down.
13 MALE SPEAKER 13: Okay. We're just
14 trying to find if there's anybody to play. I know
15 nobody would be armed more than likely, but that
16 would just be too much to ask if there's some
17 AIM-12Os on board.
18 MALE SPEAKER 12: Well, we are possibly
19 armed, yes. Hang on one second. I'm going to give
20 you Colonel Pep, okay?
21 MALE SPEAKER 13: Perfect. Thanks.
22 MALE SPEAKER 12: All right.
23 MALE SPEAKER 14: Colonel Peplinsky.
24 MALE SPEAKER 13: Hi, sir. I t ' s Brian
25 Nagel.

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0031
1 MALE SPEAKER 14 Yeah.
2 MALE SPEAKER 13 From the WADS -- the
3 Northeast guy.
4 MALE SPEAKER 14 Yeah.
5 MALE SPEAKER 13 You've heard the CNN and
6 everything, of course?
7 MALE SPEAKER 14 Right.
8 MALE SPEAKER 13 There's a possible third
9 dude south of you guys about 65 miles, just east of
10 Toledo right now.
11 MALE SPEAKER 14: Uh-huh.
12 MALE SPEAKER 13: And we're just fishing
13 to see if we can anybody that can fly, or even better
01:20:00 14 if they had weapons on board. I heard you guys are
15 just coming home right now.
16 MALE SPEAKER 14: Yeah, I don't know that
17 - - w e haven't got anything -- hold on.
18 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We called into
19 scramble. We're talking to Selfridge right now.
20 Selfridge is just landing a training mission.
21 MALE SPEAKER 14: Okay. The only thing
22 we've got is some guys have hot guns, and I don't
23 know if they expended at the range.
24 MALE SPEAKER 13: Oh, okay. Are they --
25 those are the guys coming home?
0032
1 MALE SPEAKER 14 Yeah.
2 MALE SPEAKER 13 And I'm supposing
3 they're down on fuel, like under 3,000 pounds too,
4 right?
5 MALE SPEAKER 14: Well, I don't know the
6 answer to that question. Ask them what their gas is.
7 MALE SPEAKER 13: That's those guys right
8 there.
9 UNIDENTIFIED MALE : In the air?
10 MALE SPEAKER 13: Yeah. He's coming home
11 right here.
12 MALE SPEAKER 14: Okay. They got 4,000
13 pounds, but they strike, so.
14 MALE SPEAKER 13: Okay.
15 MALE SPEAKER 14: So they're -- they're
16 expended.
17 MALE SPEAKER 13: Right. Yeah, they're 72
18 miles, like, southeast, 72 miles from your guys right
19 now. I can just see your guy is right close to the
20 base. They're just disappearing from my radar right
21 now. The guys are yours, coming home, so.
22 MALE SPEAKER 14: Yeah.
23 MALE SPEAKER 13: Okay.
24 MALE SPEAKER 14: Well, I tell you what.
25 MALE SPEAKER 13: Yeah, we're just looking
0033
1 for any option we can find out here right now.
2 MALE SPEAKER 14: Yeah, what --
3 MALE SPEAKER 13: I can understand there's
4 all the command and control and authority aspect,
5 which we haven't deal with. I'm just phoning units I
6 know, you know?
7 MALE SPEAKER 14: Yeah. Well, what we'll

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do is we'll take a look and see what we got. Do you


9 know where these guys are trending to right now?
10 MALE SPEAKER 13: Yeah, it's heading west.
11 It was filed to --
12 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Las Vegas.
13 MALE SPEAKER 13: Vegas originally.
14 MALE SPEAKER 14: Okay.
15 MALE SPEAKER 13: And Duluth (inaudible),
16 because we tried them already too, because they're
17 kind of nice route for them to pick up, because
18 they're -- they're overhead Toledo in about a half a
19 minute.
20 MALE SPEAKER 14: Okay. Have you talked
21 to Toledo or --
22 MALE SPEAKER 13: Another guy's on --
23 another guy's on the phone with him right now.
24 MALE SPEAKER 14: Yeah. I was going to
25 say Fort Wayne and --
0034
1 MALE SPEAKER 13 Fort Wayne?
2 MALE SPEAKER 14 Try Fort Wayne and
3 Springfield, Ohio, too.
4 MALE SPEAKER 13 Springfield?
5 MALE SPEAKER 14 I mean, not Springfield,
6 Ohio, Springfield, Illinois.
7 MALE SPEAKER 13 Okay. Do you know
8 numbers for any of those?
9 MALE SPEAKER 14 Do we have numbers for
10 any of those? Probably not. Here, I'll get some for
11 you. Hold on.
12 MALE SPEAKER 13: Thank you, sir. Sounds
13 like Toledo's got something to launch. What can we
14 talk to anybody there with?
15 MALE SPEAKER 6: 328.0 is out of 62.
16 328.0 is out of 62. That's right in that area.
17 MALE SPEAKER 13: Flip your switch, Jaime?
18 MALE SPEAKER 6: It's coming to me?
19 UNIDENTIFIED MALE We're showing a cap
20 .250 for 20 miles.
21 UNIDENTIFIED MALE 250.
22 MALE SPEAKER 6: They're talking to them
23 trying to find a -- uh-oh. Just turned north.
24 BACKGROUND MALE: Okay, I need --
25 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay, we got --
0035
1 BACKGROUND MALE: -- the Toledo guys.
2 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah. They're coming up
3 on 328.0,
4 BACKGROUND MALE: You say they're coming
5 up?
6 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Selfridge guys are
7 just landing now. They got like 4,000 pounds. I was
8 told Toledo was coming up on 328.0 and I got them.
9 Hey, scramble me out some Symbology.
10 MALE SPEAKER 13: There's a bunch of stuff
11 going on right now. Just over Toledo. Yeah, that's
12 the way I look at it too.
13 MALE SPEAKER 6: He ain't going to Vegas.
14 BACKGROUND MALE: Ain't going to Vegas.
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16 on 328.0 for - - d o you have a call sign for the


17 Toledo guys? They're not taking off with fuel?
18 BACKGROUND MALE: Yeah, they're taking off
19 with fuel, but --
20 MALE SPEAKER 6: We'll work -- we'll work
21 that real time. Give me a call sign and an airborne
22 time and a code.
23 BACKGROUND MALE: Sting 11.
24 MALE SPEAKER 6: Code? Sting 11 out of
25 Toledo. Are you still talking to Selfridge?
0036
1 BACKGROUND MALE: Yes.
2 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you letting him
3 know he's coming towards him now?
4 BACKGROUND MALE: Yep.
5 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How fast can they turn
6 those jets?
7 MALE SPEAKER 14 892 --
8 MALE SPEAKER 13 Yep.
9 MALE SPEAKER 14 8202.
10 MALE SPEAKER 13 8202. Okay.
11 MALE SPEAKER 14 Yeah.
12 MALE SPEAKER 13 Okay. The guy is 54
13 miles from you now at 24,000 feet. He's going more
14 easterly now. He's heading back over Lake -- Lake
15 Erie there now.
16 MALE SPEAKER 14: Oh, he's heading over
17 Lake Erie?
18 MALE SPEAKER 13: Yeah. He was pointed
19 directly towards you and 50 miles south, and now he's
20 heading east again at 24,000 over south of Lake Erie
21 (inaudible) now.
22 MALE SPEAKER 14: Okay. What -- here --
23 here's what we can do. At a minimum, we can keep our
24 guys airborne. I mean, they don't have -- they don't
25 have any guns or missiles or anything on board --
0037
1 MALE SPEAKER 13:; It's a presence though.
2 MALE SPEAKER 14 :: What's that?
3 MALE SPEAKER 1: It's a presence --
4 MALE SPEAKER 6: Did these Toledo guys
5 come up yet, do you know?
6 BACKGROUND MALE: Not yet. I got 328.0
7 (inaudible) Langley. Selfridge is holding in the air
8 for the time being.
9 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah, but with 4.0 they
10 can't hold very long.
11 BACKGROUND MALE: I know. I'll call up
12 (inaudible) in a second.
13 MALE SPEAKER 13: As soon as these guys are
14 airborne, I'll tell Peplinsky to go -- look at where
15 he's heading now too.
16 BACKGROUND MALE: What do you got -- what
17 do you got with Toledo?
18 MALE SPEAKER 6: We're trying to get
19 Toledo airborne. Selfridge has got guys in the air
20 right now that we're getting ready to land. They've
21 only got like 4.0 on the - - o n the gas, so they're
22 going to be able to stay up. So we're --
23 MALE SPEAKER 13: Is Toledo -- are you

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24 talking to Toledo yet?


25 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah. We're supposed to
0038
1 get a Sting 11 flight out of Toledo. We're coming up
2 on 328.0.
3 MALE SPEAKER 13: Were they going on a gun
4 (inaudible), let's hope?
5 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah, who knows. I don't
6 think they were doing anything. They just happened
7 to have them. Yeah, out of site 62.
8 BACKGROUND MALE: Is Toledo controlling?
9 MALE SPEAKER 13: They're going to do
10 what? They're going to control it? Outstanding.
11 Okay, I'll find the status as soon as he gets
12 airborne, what he needs. That kind of depends on how
13 far he's got to track this guy too. It depends on
14 what happens.
15 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, why don't we
16 slide a chair over here if we're going to control.
17 What's the two letters?
18 MALE SPEAKER 6: They don't have any.
19 BACKGROUND FEMALE: Do you have enough
20 controllers?
21 MALE SPEAKER 6: I'm getting ready to take
22 Toledo guys myself.
23 BACKGROUND FEMALE: Okay. You've got guys
24 taking off out of Alpena, okay?
25 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay. Who are they?
0039
1 BACKGROUND FEMALE: Springfield -- I don't
2 have call signs on them. There's guys -- they're
3 deployed to Alpena. They're from Springfield.
4 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay.
5 BACKGROUND FEMALE: Okay? And they're
6 going to be coming up --
7 MALE SPEAKER 6: For this guy?
8 BACKGROUND FEMALE: With guns.
9 MALE SPEAKER 6: With guns. Outstanding.
10 MALE SPEAKER 13: Everybody's doing guns.
11 That's why I'm thinking Toledo might have guns on
12 board.
13 BACKGROUND FEMALE: That's all they had.
14 They were deployed from (inaudible). I don't know
15 where they're going to go. It can't come up on
16 frequency. Colonel Marr (inaudible).
17 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah, 328.0. Is that
18 what --
19 BACKGROUND FEMALE: Huh?
20 MALE SPEAKER 6: 328.0 is the freq that
01:30:00 21 we're looking for, tell them to come up on.
22 BACKGROUND FEMALE: Okay. I don't know if
23 they passed that. You should be getting a call from
24 Alpena (inaudible) Huntress control. So Alpena will
25 call us.
0040
1 MALE SPEAKER 13: Did you get a call sign?
2 BACKGROUND FEMALE: No, no call sign.
3 MALE SPEAKER 6: Why don't we give them a
4 call?
5 MALE SPEAKER 13: Okay, go ahead. I'm

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6 going to tell Peplinsky to land this guy.


7 MALE SPEAKER 6: Alpena. I don't have
8 anybody from - - o h that was a -- there was a
9 Springfield guy, but they're deployed to Alpena.
10 Alpena is Selfridge, right? That's where they fly
11 into, Selfridge flies into Alpena?
12 MALE SPEAKER 13: Hi. Can I speak to
13 Colonel Peplinsky, please?
14 BACKGROUND MALE: Are you (inaudible)?
15 MALE SPEAKER 6: Right now I'm getting
16 ready to control.
17 MALE SPEAKER 13: The guy's south over
18 Lake Erie so I'm thinking he's too far away for your
19 guys with their fuel. Do you have the Alpena --
20 phone number for Alpena handy?
21 MALE SPEAKER 6: Alpena's way the hell out
22 here though.
23 MALE SPEAKER 13: And do you want a quick
24 point-out where this guy's at for your own
25 information? Yeah, it's -- oops, sorry, that's 180,
0041
1 73 miles, heading southeast, He's now at 9,000 and
2 descending, so.
3 MALE SPEAKER 14 And do we know what kind
4 of airplane?
5 MALE SPEAKER 1: Possibly a 767.
6 MALE SPEAKER 14: Okay. All right.
7 Thanks.
8 MALE SPEAKER 13: As the other two, so.
9 MALE SPEAKER 14 : Okay.
10 MALE SPEAKER 13 I'll keep you advised
11 when we know more, and thanks for your help.
12 MALE SPEAKER 14: All right. Bye.
13 MALE SPEAKER 6: He's going to keep --
14 he's going to turn those guys? For Alpena? What was
15 that again? See, that -- that's too far away. We
16 still got the best shot with the Toledo guys to get
17 them if they come up. Are you taking an SC position,
18 Lump?
19 MALE SPEAKER 13: Hi, good morning. It's
20 Captain Nagel from Huntress.
21 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah, probably it's going
22 to help to divide the workload.
23 MALE SPEAKER 13: Good. I hear a couple
24 of tankers are going airborne shortly and they might
25 have been (inaudible)?
0042
1 MALE SPEAKER 6: Correct?
2 FEMALE SPEAKER 6: Not that I'm aware of.
3 I know we have a couple of birds up, but they're
4 coming -- they're returning to base.
5 MALE SPEAKER 13: Okay. Do you know their
6 call sign?
7 FEMALE SPEAKER 6: The two that are --
8 MALE SPEAKER 13: Oh, okay. Right then.
9 That's what we're after. Okay. Where are they
10 coming back from? 4201? Okay. That's what I need
11 to know.
12 BACKGROUND MALE: What number's good for
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14 BACKGROUND MALE: Call one of the other


15 centers and get a good number.
16 MALE SPEAKER 6: I'm going to call and see
17 if this guy's airborne yet.
18 FEMALE SPEAKER 7: Base ops. Sergeant
19 Vankirk speaking. May I help you?
20 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yes, this is Major
21 Anderson from Huntress calling. I'm looking for word
22 on a Sting 11 and 12 flight that were supposed to
23 work a possible hijacked plane through FAA and come
24 up on our frequency.
25 FEMALE SPEAKER 7: Stand by, sir.
0043
1 MALE SPEAKER 15: Yeah, this is Lieutenant
2 Colonel Bartman. Sting 11 should be airborne any
3 minute here right now, and we've got a tanker at
4 Pittsburgh that's ready to go, I guess, and he's
5 trying to get airborne as well.
6 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay, Do you have a call
7 sign on a code on the tankers?
8 MALE SPEAKER 15: No, I do not. I have no
9 idea. You guys are going to have to probably call
10 Pittsburgh to get that information. Their phone
11 number for their base ops is (inaudible) 277-7347.
12 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay. Copy that, and
13 confirm 5106, the code for Sting 11.
14 MALE SPEAKER 15: We can give that to him.
15 5106, we'll tell him, make sure that they're
16 squawking that.
17 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay. That was what I
18 got passed through the FAA. They're working through
19 the FAA. They're coming up our frequency 328.0 for
20 information.
21 MALE SPEAKER 15: Right. Exactly, That's
22 what -- that's what we told them to do.
23 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay. Okay. Thanks
24 lot.
25 MALE SPEAKER 15: Okay. You bet.
0044
1 MALE SPEAKER 6: Bye. Okay. They should
2 be airborne shortly. They're working -- they're
3 working a tanker out of Pittsburgh and they gave me a
4 number for their base ops. Yeah. Yeah, I am
5 actually.
6 MALE SPEAKER 13: Have you guys watched
7 CNN today? Okay. Well, here's the shock of the day.
8 They're may be a third one and we're hustling to see
9 if we can find anybody that can fly in the area.
10 Right now he's overhead of -- what the hell's that
11 town there? DJB? East of Toledo about 60 miles,
12 heading east at 8,000. That's what I'm wondering, if
13 you got anything, especially if you got guns on
14 board.
15 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay. Why can't I log
16 in as weapons? I'm forgetting my weapons log-in? If
17 he wants that, he's taking a second FD position.
18 Okay, we need to refuel this Symbology then. And
19 then log on as 2-4.
20 MALE SPEAKER 13: We don't know how far
21 he's going to go, but he's heading back east again so

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22 we're trying to sort that out. I'll give you a quick


23 (inaudible) to get an idea where he's at. From where
24 you are, 55, 260.9.
25 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bravo 089, special
0045
1 over by Toledo.
2 MALE SPEAKER 6: I know. We've been
3 watching him and waiting for Toledo to come up
4 airborne. No, your Symbology was hooked.
5 BACKGROUND MALE: Okay. I'll fix that
6 console.
7 MALE SPEAKER 6: I'm waiting for Sting to
8 get airborne. Yeah. Lumpy is right next to me.
9 He's setting up -- they're splitting the FDs.
10 They're going through (inaudible).
11 BACKGROUND MALE: I don't know if he's
12 airborne.
13 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay. What -- what
14 assets do we have?
15 BACKGROUND MALE: MCC, we got an air track
16 reported over the White House. Intercept?
17 BACKGROUND MALE: Intercept.
18 BACKGROUND MALE: Intercept.
19 MALE SPEAKER 6: How close are you to
20 intercepting Washington?
21 BACKGROUND MALE: Huh?
22 MALE SPEAKER 6: How close are you to that
23 aircraft over Washington? Do you have a type?
24 They're right on him right now. They're going in
25 now. They're looking for a type right now. Yes, it
0046
1 is. What was it?
2 BACKGROUND MALE: Rickenbacker can have
3 three tankers within a hour. Get them ready?
4 BACKGROUND MALE: What mode are those in?
5 MALE SPEAKER 6: They're still waiting.
6 They don't have a type yet. Okay. Hey, ID -- Steve,
7 ID type and tail on that aircraft. Do you copy that?
8 ID type and tail. You're right -- you're right on
9 that guy right now, right? Are you closing for --
10 what distance are you from him right now? Just give
11 me a whack, 5 miles, 10 miles?
12 BACKGROUND MALE: Twenty-two miles.
13 MALE SPEAKER 6: Twenty-two miles.
14 They're 22 miles from him, estimate.
15 BACKGROUND MALE: Fifteen.
16 MALE SPEAKER 6: Fifteen. Fifteen is a
01:40:00 17 good - - d o you have altitude on the target? Get a
18 track PD on it, get me a radar. Get me a track PD
19 and a radar if you don't have that mode C.
20 BACKGROUND MALE: I've got a United 93
21 bomb on board somewhere near Pittsburgh.
22 BACKGROUND MALE: I don't know, but I
23 don't think so. Did you get that, Lumpy?
24 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah, I'm Still on.
25 Okay. Who -- who would know if they have ADA there?
0047
1 Oh, they have ADA? Okay. I've already passed ID by
2 type and tail. I'll let them know that there's an
3 ADA active there. ID type tail. Hey, let your guys

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4 know also the White House has ADA assets, just so


5 they know. Hey, Steve's supposed to be airborne.
6 Can you talk to him?
7 BACKGROUND MALE: Yes. Can you call 6180
8 extension for that, please?
9 BACKGROUND MALE: Talk to me about Sting.
10 MALE SPEAKER 6: He's ID'ing a possible
11 hijack. They have a special out here over the lake
12 as a possible hijack. It was at 7 -- well, it
13 started out 24,000, last I saw it was 7,000 and slow
14 descent. Hey, Jeff? Hey, Jeff, he's supposed to
15 come up 328.0 out of site 62. FAA -- FAA's supposed
16 to work the intercept. He's just up our freq for
17 coordination.
18 Hey, Colonel Sanderson, are you still on?
19 Hey, my only question is what do you want to do, just
20 like set up, I think we should set up fighters right
21 over those cities, I mean, because you don't know
22 what avenue of approach anybody would be coming from.
23 Hey, what we're looking to do is put barrier caps
24 over Chicago, Boston, Pittsburgh, and Washington.
25 BACKGROUND MALE: What's that?
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1 MALE SPEAKER 6: We're looking to put
2 barrier caps over these four cities.
3 BACKGROUND MALE: Washington, Boston,
4 Pitt, and --
5 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah, we already --
6 actually we already got Langley over - - w e got
7 Langley over Washington right now, so.
8 BACKGROUND MALE: Did anybody phone the
9 first fighter wing and starting generating maybe some
10 eagles or something?
11 MALE SPEAKER 6: First fighter wing is
12 generating jets right now. They are generating jets.
13 BACKGROUND MALE: I can't get a DSN line.
14 I'm trying to phone Pittsburgh and tell them
15 MALE SPEAKER 6: Why can't we get this to
16 assigned anything?
17 BACKGROUND MALE: I don't know.
18 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay. Drop them. Just
19 drop them and write up a sign. Let's go.
20 BACKGROUND MALE: The special in Ohio
21 faded.
22 MALE SPEAKER 6: In Ohio -- you mean the
23 guy over the --
24 BACKGROUND MALE: The guy near Toledo,
25 Cleveland.
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1 MALE SPEAKER 6: Toledo'S supposed to be
2 airborne. That special track just faded. Oh, you're
3 talking Langley? Okay. Hang on. Okay, that's a
4 bust. They -- Washington was reporting our guys
5 overhead, so there is no aircraft over Washington.
6 And we're going to keep them there for the barrier
7 cap over Washington. We're working three more assets
8 over the other cities. That's the Langley birds.
9 Who are the Langley birds? Quits. Yeah. Okay. You
10 want to put them over the cities? Okay. So you want
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12 Washington area also. Do we have call signs on them?


13 Okay. Hey, Foxy. They're going to get four more
14 F-15s from first fighter wing out of Langley from the
15 Washington area.
16 BACKGROUND MALE: Just a heads up, Lumpy
17 and (inaudible) are going to be my SESC techs for the
18 midwest, so anything about that, go straight to them.
19 BACKGROUND MALE: Four more F-15s out of
20 Langley?
21 MALE SPEAKER 6: Out of Langley, first
22 fighter wing, yeah. Hey, so you're -- you're
23 handling internal stuff direct? Okay. Hey,
24 Sergeant Marr, when you get a chance, call the first
25 fighter wing. You're going to get four F-15s out of
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1 the first fighter wing that is going to back up the
2 Quits flight over Washington now. We don't have a
3 call sign on them yet. Yeah, they told me that five
4 minutes ago. Okay. FAA's controlling. Okay, you're
5 getting four -- well, it was ID by type and tail, but
6 now the thing's faded.
7 BACKGROUND MALE: So I need to find out
8 whether or not - -
9 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah. You're getting
10 four F-15s out of the first fighter wing that's going
11 to back up Otis. What we're looking -- back up
12 Washington. Where we're looking is, put barrier caps
13 over Boston, Chicago, Washington, and New York.
14 BACKGROUND MALE: Washington?
15 MALE SPEAKER 6: Washington, and you have
16 -- you have Quit, you have Quit flights that are now
17 from Langley, F-15, and you're going to get four from
18 Langley, F-15s from first fighter wing, if that makes
19 sense.
20 BACKGROUND MALE: Who is the fourth one?
21 MALE SPEAKER 6: New York. Wait, not New
22 York, Chicago. We already got somebody -- hang on.
23 Chicago -- Chicago, Boston, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh.
24 BACKGROUND MALE: I had my guys looking
25 for tankers in the midwest, but Sanderson took a
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1 checklist and said he was going to call them. I
2 don't know if he's getting (inaudible) or what.
3 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay.
4 BACKGROUND MALE: We haven't called
5 Chicago yet. We haven't called Milwaukee. We're
6 getting tankers --
7 MALE SPEAKER 6: Toledo was looking --
8 yeah, Pittsburgh, and we got a number for them.
9 BACKGROUND MALE: Well, we'll probably
10 want to call Chicago and Milwaukee, but I don't know
11 if he's doing it or what.
12 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah, I'm here. First?
13 Okay. Okay. The -- yeah, 364.2. Okay. We have one
14 in 107, one in 108, and we have a 135 in Whiskey 105.
15 A KC-10 in 108, in 107, KC-10 in 10 -- 107, and a 135
16 in Whiskey 105. Okay. And -- and we supposedly got
17 tankers coming up out of Pittsburgh, but the Toledo
18 guys worked that. I need a mission for them.
19 They're airborne right now out of Toledo, but that

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20 special faded. I think we should just shoot them up


21 to the area that it was headed. Yes. It faded just
22 north of the lake. And Sting is just airborne out of
23 Toledo right now. Okay. Will do. Yeah, they got to
24 turn their jets though. Okay. Let me pass that to
25 Foxy now.
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1 BACKGROUND MALE: In fact, you can clear
2 out both cameras down there, guys.
3 MALE SPEAKER 6: Can you maybe do the
4 unknown rider calls? I think they're pretty
5 saturated.
6 BACKGROUND FEMALE: I don't mind doing
7 them. Do you want me to?
01:50:00 8 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah, why not?
9 BACKGROUND FEMALE: Oh, okay.
10 BACKGROUND MALE: Yes, please. 53, 364.2
11 is what we were talking about.
12 MALE SPEAKER 6: Hey, mission for Sting is
13 to --
14 BACKGROUND MALE: Lumpy -- Lumpy's got the
15 Sting.
16 MALE SPEAKER 6: You were the one that
17 asked for the mission. Or was it Lumpy?
18 BACKGROUND MALE: No, it was Lumpy.
19 MALE SPEAKER 6: Hey, Lumpy, mission for
20
21 BACKGROUND MALE: Bravo 083 has faded. We
22 were supposed to originally ID that guy, but he
23 faded.
24 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah, search the last
25 known area, see if they got any contacts there.
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1 That's the mission for Sting. I gotcha. The F-15s
2 out of Langley, first 01 through 04.
3 BACKGROUND MALE: 01 through 04.
4 MALE SPEAKER 6: Yeah, they passed them
5 AITC as a frequency. You can pull them up to
6 anything else if you want once you get them up.
7 BACKGROUND MALE: And they're my assets
8 for Chicago?
9 MALE SPEAKER 6: They're -- no, they want
10 -- they want to use these guys over Washington and
11 ping pong them off to let them refuel. You got
12 tankers out in
13 BACKGROUND MALE: 01, 04 is going to
14 Washington, right?
15 BACKGROUND MALE: Yeah, and they're going
16 to be --
17 MALE SPEAKER 6: He said you have
18 everything over the land. He's telling me -- every
19 time I tell him something about anything over the
20 land, he's telling me you got everything over the
21 land. All right. I'll pass that to him then.
22 Excuse me.
23 BACKGROUND MALE: Not yet. I'm still
24 waiting. I'm trying to get through.
25 MALE SPEAKER 6: Who are you calling?
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2 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay. And I told Lumpy


3 he's got the internal (inaudible) expecting a Snake
4 11.
5 BACKGROUND MALE: They're going to Misty
6 Thunder if you're talking to them, and we've got
7 tankers coming from Rickenbacker to support them.
8 MALE SPEAKER 6: Hey, Lump, that's Snake
9 11 through 14 out of Atlantic City for Pittsburgh.
10 BACKGROUND MALE: You can have them. You
11 can leave them there. If I can't -- it's when I
12 start to run out of Uniforms, I'll --
13 MALE SPEAKER 6: 3552, 3552.
14 BACKGROUND MALE: Okay. They're
15 launching.
02:00:00 16 MALE SPEAKER 6: Hang on. Then I need to
17 -- I think I'm -- I think I'm moving up something up
18 here.
19 BACKGROUND MALE: Oh, they got Stings
20 flying now.
21 MALE SPEAKER 6: I'm looking for the radio
22 site that was down here.
23 BACKGROUND MALE: Quiet down. Use the
24 intercom.
25 MALE SPEAKER 6: That's what I've been
0055
1 given, I think. Okay, this is -- this is G-62, not
2 J-62.
3 BACKGROUND MALE: Yeah, I know.
4 MALE SPEAKER 6: So is that really the
5 right freqs?
6 BACKGROUND MALE: Yeah.
7 MALE SPEAKER 6: Because they're not being
8 able to get it.
9 BACKGROUND MALE: Is it functional?
10 MALE SPEAKER 6: I don't know.
11 BACKGROUND MALE: That's the radio we use,
12 because 60 is out there. 62 -- the radio isn't
13 located there. It's located somewhere else, but I
14 don't remember where it is.
15 MALE SPEAKER 6: But it's in the vicinity?
16 I mean, the Stings are airborne here.
17 MALE SPEAKER 13: Cobra 1, Huntress, loud
18 and clear. Copy. Negative contact, (inaudible) ATC
19 clearance. Get them directly into Misty Thunder.
20 Expect some tankers from Rickenbacker. Call signs to
21 be determined. Stand by mission.
22 MALE SPEAKER 6: Okay, what are you doing
23 with the Cobras? Are they heading to the Chicago
24 area or what?
25 MALE SPEAKER 13: Copy that. Are you off
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1 about 7 miles to the west of Syracuse? Copy. Vector
2 320. We'll head you out over Lake Ontario.
3 MALE SPEAKER 6: Well, what's the plan --
4 what's the plan for these guys?
5 MALE SPEAKER 13: Sorry, stepped on. Say
6 again? Excellent. Thank you. Maintain ATC squawk.
7 Have number 2 go 541 -- 5402, please.
8 MALE SPEAKER 6: Track numbers here are
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10 MALE SPEAKER 13: Can you squawk 4617


11 please? 4617, mode 3 for lead.
12 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Track numbers here are
13 213 from Tanner, the border. A bunch of airplanes
14 that are -- don't know what it is, so somebody's
15 going to have to check that. Okay.
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