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officer smith - officer (Brandon) smith, s-M-l-T-H, badge number

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Is that your normal uh, Pakol team?

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Correct. Today is currently February 13, Wednesday. Um, u/hat are you notrnal days worked and normal hours worked?

Monday through Thursday, 8:30 pm to 5:30 am.


What was your call sign during your shift yesterday?

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What beat is that uh, area? Beat 5. Okay. Uh, who.are your supervisors for yesterday's shift?
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they Yow normal suPervisors?


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prior to yesterday's shift when was the last shift you worked?

The nightPrior. Thank you. Which would be Monday?

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Um, did you work any overtime prior to yesterday,s shift? No. Have you taken any medication, prescription or otherwise?

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Have you consumed a- any alcohol in the past 24 hotus?

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No. Do you have any medical conditions? No. Prior to yesterday's shift when was the last time you slept and how long? Uh,

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I have uh, a key silencer with keys. Next to that I have uh, a Set of handcuffs with a gaxrylng case. To the right of that I have my duty weapon holster. uh, to the righiofihat as we circle around towards my back I have my OC canisteiOn the left rear side I have a flashlight holder. Did not actually have radio. Next a flashlight in it. Urn, next to that I have my radio holder and my to that I have a baton ring. Next to that I have an asp. Uh, then directly in front on the left side I have my magazine case with magazines.

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And what kind of markings and emergency equipment is on this vehicle?

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It's a black and white patol vehicle with a Berkeley Police emblem on the front doors, both driver and passenger side. It has LED lights on the top.
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your police report reads? Yes. Case Supplemental on 2-12-13 at approximately 2354 hours I was tO (Alston) Way, Aparffirent 514 as a cover officcr toi*ij.rFP.o-^II-:: dispatched to OtfiS_ffiii_ffi._E*if:Ag3itet6f,i I arrived on siene and met with Officei (Brown), baAge i6, and Officer Tu, badge 38, IFO the address' The RP (Hayes) walked up to us and led us into the apartrnent complex. He saidthat hir ioo***t , (M!orc), had kicked him out and needed'.to,be=5''150+od. I went upstairs with Officer @rown), Officer (Tus) - Officer TIf and (Heyes)' (Hayes) unlocked the aparhent front doqr and Offi.cer (Browu) calld out to the lmding and ifr{oorel (Moore) cami to the door and stepped out onto upp.*.Ar..y agitatsd and angry. Officer (Brown) began speaking with

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(Hayes) his person and placed it into apaper bag. Offrcer (Kaplan) transported (Hayes) in the foihlt warant. I contacted to the BerkeleyJail and booked Berkeley Jail and qbtained a signed witten statement fro* hiT: (Hayes) said in summary that hq lives with (I\doore) at2ll6 (Alston) wav,_lt{umbet 514And they have known each other for about 15 or more years. He said that

pahol car and ran back upstairs to Aparment 514. (Moore) was on the bed on iris stonrach resistiug Officer Tu and Officer (Brown). Officer Tu had (Moore)'s right unist in a haadcuffand Officer (Brown) was trying to gain conmttf (Moore)'s left wrist. I hetped Officer (Brown) get (Moore)'s left arm behind his back so that he could be placed in handcuffs. During the incident (Moore) continued to struggle and pull his arm away fr9m us. As soon as (Moore) was placed into handcuffs other offrcers arrived and I went back downstairs to ensure that (Hayes) was still inthe back of my vehicie and okay, I removed (Hayes) and searched him, removing all of his property from

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(Xavier) has used many drugs on a regular basis since he has known him and tt ut fr. mostly uses crack and methamphetamine as well drinks alcohol daily to get drunk, He said thst on 2-12.13 when he returned home around 5:00 to drunk. tte 5:0"0 pm that (Moore) was high on methamp- phetamine-and was frght' He to wants and said ttrat when (Moore) is higlr and drunk he is mean r"it ttrut ftfoor"l asked him for money to buy more alcohol and he told said that (Moore) became very atlgry and wouldn't leave (Moore) "o.Gfuy.r) They were axgulng and (Hayes) said that because he has a temper rrirn just leave. he decided to try to ignoie (Moore). {Moore) then told him to who took him to the apartment where iHayes; said hathen ."tl.d tt " police ifrry qpoLt with (Moore)' He said that (Moore) was acting ',ie*Y boom life a *othirfurt r, quote, end quote. When askedwhat that meant (Hayes) said quote, end that he *ur uitiog like he does when he's really high and drwrk, thoughtttrat and quot;. (Hayes) *id th^t (Moore) had threatened him earlier (M""rd *L"fi afiackhim andthat is why he left. He said that (lrdoore) had a .rriolrn.. and he had stabbed someone in San Francisco a few years history Lf pri- piior. See (Hayes)'s signed written statement for further, Nothing further

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white officer (Browu) is en- is engaging Mr. (Moore) in conversationuh, what were you doing?
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You mentioned he - he - he spoke of the FBI?


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On - on multiple times s- um, Officer (Brown), trying to get (Moore)'s attention um, and trying to speak with him, he kept intemrpting. So ou - on several occasions she told him to stop talking and listen to what I'm saying. Um, and that was pretty much - that - that occurred multiple times as well. Okay. And you said at one point you used a - your potce radio'to conduct a uh, records check and wanant check on - if I'm coffect Mr. (Moore) and Mr. (Hayes). Is that correct?

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I found out Mr. (Hayes) had a $5000 we.g1ant out of the City of San Francisco for - I believe it was for 594 um, and a couple - I - I think at least one, maybe two, smaller warrants out of San Francisco as well. I think they were municipal codes 'cause it wasn't something that I recognized.
Okay. What did you find out about Mr. (Moore)? Um, I'found out that there were caution codes associated with Mr. (Moore) for Pcz4s,assault with a deadly weapon. And that was it. Um, having learned that uh, bo- uh, ttrere was a caution code on Mr. (Moore) and there was a.warrant attached to Mr. (Hayes) um, what - what happened thereafter - after you learned this information?

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Um, prior to me aniving on scene um, something that I cornmonly do, thereis a um, if there is i person who is involved in the incident or the call that comes in and I have a name I will run that narre to see who'it is that I'm gonna be deating with potentially. Um, and I did do Jhat with (Moore) on my ivay there. And; 10K warrant out of San Francisco came up but I didn't have a b"irfh date. So I did not know for certain if that was them or not but when I ran his name tlrough Telecom they didn't come back with any waffant.

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Got it. so when offrcer (Brown) asked uh, said that Mr. (Hayes) would be going for his warrant, you handcuff Mr. (Hayes), and after youhandcuffMr. (Hayesl what happared from then that - that point?

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lv[r. uh, (Hayes) downstairs, walked Quick, real quick when - when you took him downstairs, down the elevator and back out to your car where you handcrlffed him and searched him when - when you left where wa$ Offrcer (Browu) and Offrcer Tu at that

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They were still speaking with (Moore). On the landing. Correct,

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Got it, okay. So you made it down and you heard a radio traffic uh, that uh, prompted you uh, to believe that uh, did you beiieve that Officer (Brown) and Offiser needed immediate assistance?

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Absolutely. Okay. So what did you do with Mr. (Hayes)? Um, I told Mr. (Hayes) you need to get in the back of my car. Urn, he cooperated. I put him in the back seat of my car, locked the doors, ran towards the bont dooiof the apartment complex, it was locked.-Uh, so I went back to Mr. (tlayes)'s property, actually to Mr. (Hayes) 'cause he had his keys still around his nect, I took the keys offof his neck, asked him which key opened the door, he told me, I opened the front door, I went upstairs.and went to the aparfnent.

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Okay and when you left Mr, (Hayesi in the back of your car, tha] means you have a patotr vehicle with a restraint compartment in the back of your patrol vehiole couect?

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Um, so you went back upstairs, you come out of the elevator, and you go back to the aparhnent. When you get to the landing and you look, was the door still
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Though I saw the door was still open, there were a couple neighbors who were looking out and as I ran they just kind of pointed.
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And so I went into the apartmert. Okay so when you went into the apartment and what was observed when you uh, Iooked inside the apartment?

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Uh,I saw Officer Tu um, looked like he was behind uh, (Moorg) who was on his belly on a matffess. Um, and Offioer (Brown) was on the left side of (Moore) trylng to grab uh, an arm.
Okay. So you saw Officer (Brown) grabbing for the left arm.
Correct.

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And when you saw Mr., Officer Tu behind Mr. (Moore) can you describe a little bit more in detail uh - uh, what he was, what Mr., what Officer Tu was grabbing in terrns of Mr. (Moore)'s body.
He had uh, he was - he was mostly laying on uh, (Moore)'s legs um, andkep getting bucked up in th.e air. Um, and he had (Moore)'s right arm back behind his back, um, and at that time I didn't rcalizeit but he had, actually had a handcuffon that hand. On the right hand.

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Correct. When you said that Officer Tu was getting bucked by Mr. (Moorei does that mean Officer Tu was on tbp of Mr. (Moore) at that time, but more towards the lower half of his body you were saying?
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Okay. When you say uh, and so he was trying to restrain Mr. (Moore) he had a cuffon his right arm, and but he was essentiaily uh, wo- would you say that Officer Tu was using his weight to control Mr. (Moore) at that point? Um, yeah somewhat.

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we had control of the right arm, I was gonna hy to roll to the left to get t}e body weight offof his arm that was under hisbody, so I grabbed uh, around the bicep um, or elbow area of the right arm that Officer Tu had and pulled, rolling (Moore) to his left side. As - as I did tlrat (Moore)'s left arm came out from uoder his body, and up above towards his head. And Officer (Brown) grabbed his wist. At that point I rolled him back to his belly, um, and there vr.as limited space with OfEcer (Brown) and myself on the left side 'cailse there was a wall right there, so I could not reach up and grab the aml Oflicer (Brown) was strugglingtrying to get the arm back behind the backuh, back behind (Moore)'s back. And so I grabbed his,I believe I grabbed his fingers rirn, and told Offlrcer (Brown), 'oMove out of my way." And I think I told her twice, and finally she backed way and thenl was able to gain control of the arm and pull it behind the back.

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At that point Offrcer (Brown) said, "We?re gonna noed two handcuffs." And asked rne if I had mine, I told her mine were on my prisoner in my car. Urn, and.I'm not sure if Officer Tu pulled out a - a sef or where another set came from, but another set appeared, um, they clasped one set with the set that was already on his right wrist, and then we attached 'em to the left wrist.
Okay. So the handcuffing was completed and successful by lhe three of you? Or at that point had other officers arrived?

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Unr, and then I turned around and saw a few offtcers standing.directly behind us. Um, the person was in custody uh, or handcuffe{ detained, and I kept seeing more officers, like I think t saw a Sergeant come in, um, and at that point I said, "I have got to go back downstairs, I have a prisoner in my car handcuffed." So I wanted to go back down and make sure that they were okay. Okay. Mr. (Ivloore) is successfully handcuffed, other officers have anived, and uh, is he still fighting at this point?

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Well during the time when you, Officer Tu and Officer (Brown) were struggling with Off- with l&. uh, (Moore) was he yelling something? Yelling anything to you? Suy,ng anything?
Yeah he just kept yelling uh, I believe I heard fuck you, um, stop, ['m not gonna go, umo just a lots of, lots of rambling. Um, and we kept telling him to stop resisting- Uh, just give us your arm, just give us yout arm, And he kept saying'no []m not going to.

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...when you were leaving what's the last thing you see Mr. (Hayes) and the officer, what's the last picture you see of what was going bn inside when, as you left the apartment? Last picture I saw was um, Office1 Officer Tu um, moved offof (Moore), off to ttre.right side, and was just holding the arm. Officer (Brovrn) I believe had completely let go of (Moore). Um, and there were two or tkee officers, and as

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At the time when you wefe leaving to go back to MI. (Hayes) in addition to Officer (Brown) and Officer Ttr, and youove mentioned Sergeant (Phillip$ arrived, what other officers could you recall wh- came at that point and time?
I believe Offrcer Mathis was there, um, Offrcer (Gardner), and I believe that uh, Sergeant Cardozawas also um, in there. Okay- And when you left was Mr. (Moore) on, still on his stornach, on his front side uh, on uh still partially on top of the mattress is that correct?

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Um, [ - I d"i-, went directly to my car, I pulled uh, Mr. (Hayes) out of the car, and uh, made sure that he was okay. And then continued on with my search of him to empty his pockets to take him to jail for his warrants.

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No I uh, after I completed thg search I put him back in my patrol cat, um, and then I waited urq in front of the address because I heard radio haffrc where they were asking for umn for an ambulance. [Ih, they were asked for BFD uh, with a gurney, and shortly thereafter I - I heard them say I warura say they said uh, he stopped that ttre subject had stopped breathing, starting CPR. Um, and so at that point I figured I - I needed to stick around rather than just take
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After - after a Iittle while BFD came down with uh, Mr. (Moore) on a gulley, uh, put him in the ambulance and drove away. Mm-hm.
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I do not recall that. Okay. So you transfened custody of Mr. (Hayes) to Officer (Kapland) at this point.
Correct.

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Okay.After you give transfer of custody of Officer, of (Hayes) to Officer (Kapland) what did you do thereafter?
Uh, I just stayed in front waiting for um, any new orders or - or uh, the - the next step of what I was supposed to do.
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Got it. Now during the time when you were, and ybu yourself were assisting in the struggle with Mr. (Moore) with Officet Tu and Offrcer (Brown) uh, before I ask that question; what is your height and weight?

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Yes. Um, and so you, did you felt that uh - uh, Mr. (Moore) in anyway uh, scratch tbat. So while yorl Officer Tu and uh, Officer (Brown) were struggling with Mr. (Moore) did you, yourself and or Officer Tu or Offrcer (Brown) the tlree of yorl did you witness any use of uh, hand strikes, open palm stikes or fist strikes by Officers on to Mr. (Moore)?

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Okay. Um, did you, uh, just a liule bit more clarification and you've already talked about this; when you saw uh, Offtcer Tu on ttre right side is what you said of Mr. (Moore) you said he appearedto be holding down his legs to a certain ertEnt is that right? He was, when I first walked in when they were struggling, when I fltrst came up the st- the - the elevator, when I first came in Officer Tu was, it looked like he was sraddling his legs, trying to keep body weight on the legs...

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Okay -.o\uy. Did you see at any time, or any time after that he appear to place any weight on Mr. uh, (Moore)'s upper body while he was prongin that position?

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Okay. Did he uh, did it appear at that time that um, Mr. (Moore) was able to breathe? was he making any verbai, was he speakrng or yelling?
Yeah he was yelling at us.

Okay.
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Um, as he was screaming, as he was yelling uh, he mentioned you didn't recall him saying he needed any medical attention. Could you iecall him ever saying that he couldn't breathe? No,

Otay.
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asked you this; have you ever had any prior contacts

.wrtfr Mr. (Xavier Moore)?

Not to my knowledge. Do you have any prior knowledge of Mr. (Xavier)? No. That's all I have. Is there anything you'd like to add Officer Smith?
Nope.

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