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1swellguy
Posted Sep 25, 2006 @ 12:11 pm
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- packingEmail I wasn't stopped, but a good friend of mine was stopped by a small town
officer Saturday (I was also in the car). The officer said that the reason for
the stop was "speeding" at 53 in a 40mph zone (or something like that).

My buddy gave the officer his DL & CWP, as well as his registration &
proof of insurance. The officer never once even ASKED if my friend was
currently armed, or where the weapon was located. (we aren't required to
produce the CWP or notify an LEO unless we are carrying at that
moment, but SC law does require us to disclose when asked for ID). The
officer never spoke directly to me nor asked for my ID, so I did not need
to disclose. There were absolutely ZERO questions regarding the firearm,
its location, there was no "disarming" anyone on a flimsy pretext of
"officer safety" nor any searching of persons or vehicles. (where was the
need? The permit verifies a clean rap sheet)

Well, my friend DID get a ticket, but he was told that the officer would
meet him at the hearing and "see what we can do about getting it
reduced." Bottom line is, the LEOs I keep running into here in my fine
state all seem to be just fine & dandy with regular, everyday citizens
carrying firearms. They seem to realize that we in the CWP community
are fully "on their side" in the good guys vs bad guys struggle in today's
society.

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robie cagle
Posted Sep 25, 2006 @ 1:59 pm
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- internet Well the officer was certainly able to give a warning, just as much as a
- packingEmail ticket. If he was willing to show up to help reduce the fine why didn't he
just give a writen warning? His attitude & professionalism were good, so,
the ticket aside I guess we would have to say it was a good experience.

Stand up, be counted & carry often!

What part of "Shall not be infringed" is not being abused today?

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Winchester 73
Posted Sep 25, 2006 @ 2:48 pm
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- internet Other than just getting a warning instead of possibly having the ticket
- packingEmail eliminated later,this stop seems very positive.
The LEO acted professionally, with no attitude or bias.
Always good to hear.
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The Fed
Posted Sep 25, 2006 @ 6:35 pm
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Before a LEO gets out of their car
they run the plates so they already know if the owner has a record. I still
can not understand why you believe you should not receive a citation
when you are caught speeding or for some other traffic infraction just
because you have a CCW permit. Only fellow LEO's are afforded such
courtesy. I am tired of hearing about this "extensive" background check
 you think you went through. Try getting a higher-level DoD security
clearance. Not only do they run your fingerprints (which is the only thing
they do for a CCW permit), they pull all three of your credit reports every
few days for a couple of weeks, talk to your supervisors, friends,
neighbors and coworkers, and check your medical records. And you have
to disclose all of your financials; income, holdings, and debts. And those
of your spouse if you are married. After that, a Federal Officer interviews
you. And you're drug tested. Depending on your work assignment, you
also may need to pass a lie detector test. And periodically, you get to go
through it all again. In addition, you are required to take random drug
tests without any prior notice. You come to work and your supervisor
orders you to report to a contracted medical lab. You never eat poppy-
seed rolls again. Should I think I'm "special" because I had to go through
all this? I bet most of you would say it was an invasion of privacy and
civil rights. There, I feel better now.

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SUSPICION
Posted Sep 25, 2006 @ 6:47 pm
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- packingEmail Wow!
What a diatribe,the Fed!
You definitely are ready for that Pasco County,Florida retirement.
The sooner the better.
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fallennomad
Posted Sep 25, 2006 @ 6:51 pm
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- packingEmail I agree
I agree that just because you hold a CCW license you shouldn't be
afforded any "courtesy". On the other hand, if you are an LEO, that seems
obvious.
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dr_mac
Posted Sep 25, 2006 @ 7:54 pm
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Send mail: RE: Before a LEO gets out of their car
- packingEmail The_Fed wrote:
they run the plates so they already know if the owner has a record. I still
can not understand why you believe you should not receive a citation
when you are caught speeding or for some other traffic infraction just
because you have a CCW permit. Only fellow LEO's are afforded such
courtesy. I am tired of hearing about this "extensive" background check
you think you went through. Try getting a higher-level DoD security
clearance. Not only do they run your fingerprints (which is the only thing
they do for a CCW permit), they pull all three of your credit reports every
few days for a couple of weeks, talk to your supervisors, friends,
neighbors and coworkers, and check your medical records. And you have
to disclose all of your financials; income, holdings, and debts. And those
of your spouse if you are married. After that, a Federal Officer interviews
you. And you're drug tested. Depending on your work assignment, you
also may need to pass a lie detector test. And periodically, you get to go
through it all again. In addition, you are required to take random drug
tests without any prior notice. You come to work and your supervisor
orders you to report to a contracted medical lab. You never eat poppy-
seed rolls again. Should I think I'm "special" because I had to go through
all this? I bet most of you would say it was an invasion of privacy and
civil rights. There, I feel better now.
 I love a occasional rant and I'm glad you feel better.
Damn, no poppy seed rolls ? Now that is hitting low.

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Bruce Foreman
Posted Sep 26, 2006 @ 12:38 am
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- internet SUSPICION wrote:
- packingEmail What a diatribe,the Fed!
You definitely are ready for that Pasco County,Florida retirement.
The sooner the better.

It's no diatribe. I held a TS clearance with higher than TS endorsement for

just short of 20 years active duty service and 10 years after retirement
accepted a federal civil service position that required the same clearance
with even higher level access for emergency situations.

Everything he described is factual and not exaggerated.

 You put up with it if you want to keep the employment. Background
investigation for me was updated every five years.
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SUSPICION
Posted Sep 26, 2006 @ 2:05 am
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Bruce_Foreman wrote:
SUSPICION wrote:
What a diatribe,the Fed!
You definitely are ready for that Pasco County,Florida retirement.
The sooner the better.

It's no diatribe. I held a TS clearance with higher than TS endorsement for

just short of 20 years active duty service and 10 years after retirement
accepted a federal civil service position that required the same clearance
with even higher level access for emergency situations.

Everything he described is factual and not exaggerated.

You put up with it if you want to keep the employment. Background

investigation for me was updated every five years.

Bruce
I was just having fun with the Fed.He didn't take it seriously so neither
should you.
I'm ex-Govt. myself(24 years)so I'm very aware of the stresses and strains.
Hope you are enjoying your retirement.You surely earned it.
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cszy67
Posted Sep 27, 2006 @ 11:57 am
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- internet Bruce_Foreman wrote:
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It's no diatribe. I held a TS clearance with higher than TS endorsement for
 just short of 20 years active duty service and 10 years after retirement
accepted a federal civil service position that required the same clearance
with even higher level access for emergency situations.

You are aware that admitting to even having a security clearance

(however obvious) is a security violation...don't you?
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1swellguy
Posted Sep 27, 2006 @ 3:53 pm
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Send mail: RE: Before a LEO gets out of their car
- packingEmail The_Fed wrote:
I still can not understand why you believe you should not receive a
citation when you are caught speeding or for some other traffic infraction
just because you have a CCW permit.

Who says we do?

The_Fed wrote:
Only fellow LEO's are afforded such courtesy.

But they SHOULDN'T get such treatment. If they break the same law,
shouldn't they get FAIR AND EQUAL treatment? Or should they be
considered SUPER citizens, better than the rest of us peons?

The_Fed wrote:
I am tired of hearing about this "extensive" background check you think
you went through.

Who cares what you're tired of? Wanna know what I'm tired of? ;)

The_Fed wrote:
Try getting a higher-level DoD security clearance.
Been there. Done that. Served in Commo in Germany. They went back
15yrs on me and 5yrs on my wife. Do I get a cookie?

The_Fed wrote:
Should I think I'm "special" because I had to go through all this?
Well, it sounds like this is already the case, now doesn't it?
Does an LEO need you to hold a TSBI clearance before he gives you a
speeding ticket? Must we all pass a federal clearance before we are issued
a gun permit? Nope. Its his decision to give you the ticket or just give you
a warning. I never said we SHOULD've gotten out of the ticket. I just
passed on the story because I was happy that it was a positive LEO
encounter (IMHO). Its time for another valium and some more fiber in
your diet....

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