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Background
Who is Wayne Elise aka "Juggler"?
Or, more specifically, what are these post archives about and what do they have to do with his involvement with the "Seduction Community"? Wayne Elise, aka Juggler, was one of the main characters in the best-selling book The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists, released in 2005. He also wrote a chapter in that book, but was a member of the seduction community long before that, going back as far as 2001 when he was first written about in the New York Times. Juggler turned his interpersonal skills that he developed as a professional comedian and street busker into teaching men to be more successful with women, and he was one of the first people aside from Mystery to teach in-field workshops through his company Charisma Arts (previously known as Charisma Sciences or Charisma Sciences Institute). What a lot of people dont know is theres a huge amount of wisdom from Juggler chronicled in his posts on the mASF Forum on FastSeduction.com. In fact, the mASF Forum was literally the only place Juggler was posting for the first 2 years when he was making a name for himself and was a large part of the reason he became well known in the seduction community. Juggler was also one of the only major seduction gurus to speak for free at the 2004 Austin Seduction Summit, which was a free community event organized by the Austin Lair and FastSeduction.com, one of many official free Summits promoted through FastSeduction.com. Juggler has also appeared as host of a channel four UK program called Seduction School and has traveled the world teaching men the art of seduction. To find other archives of posts from people such as Style, Mystery, and TylerDurden, all major personalities from The Game, all of whom gained their initial broad notoriety from the community on FastSeduction.com, check our other archives . You can also find new and influential members of the community using our searchable post archive containing well over half a million posts, or join our very active forum.

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Older women and their stupid mentalities / Post 301

Older women and their stupid mentalities / Post 301

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Subject: Older women and their stupid mentalities // view thread online
Post Date: April 11th, 2002 10:30:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
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One of the few instances I have felt lucky to be a relatively old guy. Okay, there are two ways of handling this: 1. As Allesandro says and show some anger (even if you have to fake it) Dont take crap about stuff that you can not do anything about. You have a right to call them on it. It is their problem. You arent too young. She is too old. 2. Stay calm and ask her to be more specific about why she likes an older guy and what feelings that gives her. Security, being taken care of, made to feel young (by comparrison), etc.. Try to realy understand. Then tell her you can give her none of those things. (Thats right. Dont be tempted to be an NLPer here and try to give her those feelings or anchor them to you) Instead point out how you are different. You are only capable of giving a girl excitment, fun, adventure and a really amazing experience in bed. Tell her you studied at a special massage school that they send Geishas to or something. You gave her values on the subject a fair hearing. She will reciprocate and give yours one too. In the meantime you have the chance to promote the idea of having a casual affair. After you do your speal go right into kissing. -Juggler

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be sexual! / Post 302

be sexual! / Post 302

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Post Date: April 11th, 2002 10:50:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
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Good Kooper. I especially like the humming while getting oral sex bit. However, try keeping the sex talk and humor separate. If you can get to a place where you can talk about sex flat (matter of factly) then you will have a very powerful weapon because girls will know that you are not kidding. Take those two routines and try re-wording them to take out the humor. -Juggler

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Re: THE WALK!! / Post 305

Re: THE WALK!! / Post 305

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Post Date: April 12th, 2002 11:21:00 AM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.advanced Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
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>And to "Allessandro": > >Maybe that is the way it is in >GoatRape-istan or whatever >little shit-hole country of >sheep fuckers it is that >youre from, but your >gratuitous, fraudulent >assertion has no basis in fact >in relation to the U.S. >Military, especially us >COOL-ASS Marines. As far as >alleged AFC-ness is concerned, >compare the chicks at a Marine >Corps Ball, and similar events >for the other services... >Marines have the most HBs >present, hands down, period. >Chicks dig us, the Dress >Blues, the ttude, the >muscles, the witty >conversation, and of course >the superior sex!! Its a >Marine thing, your sorry >civilian ass wouldnt >understand... Hey I have the most respect for the armed services of this country. They put their lives on the line for us. But lets keep posts on seduction here. And with that in mind I have to say that I have met Allessandro. And I would put his broke, bad parking, off-season fat ass, up against your muscles, witty conversation and uniform any day in a PU contest. Heck, knowing him and that he lives near DC, he has probably gotten his GoatRape-istanian willy wet in many of those beautiful girls that go to your Marine ball. Seriously Godzilla, we should have a contest. You walk tall and be Marine-like and Allessandro will just home-boy around and I would put money on it that he would seduce more and hotter women than you.

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Re: THE WALK!! / Post 305

-Juggler

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Older women and their stupid mentalities / Post 306

Older women and their stupid mentalities / Post 306

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Post Date: April 12th, 2002 11:58:00 AM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
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On 4/12/02 1:38:00 PM, Zan wrote: >On 4/12/02 12:30:00 PM, juggler wrote: >>One of the few instances I >>have felt lucky to be a >>relatively old guy. > >Yeah juggler, ditto. My problem is that >I only seem to go after the 21 year olds >- way younger than me. Fortunately, I >only look 25, and when the girls hear >that I am really 38 and have a 14 year >old daughter that lives with her mother, >they are stunned. And if they have a >problem with all that, then NEXT. Good to hear from you Zan. Im the same way. I tell girls directly that I am 33. (I really look 33, haha) I have two MLTRs under 21: 18 & 20. Its fun going out to a restaurant and they can only watch me drink a beer. >Good genetics or clean lifestyle ;^) I >dunno what, but I have never had a gray >hair or any wrinkles or anything. Makes >it much easier. And the beauty is, if I >do try to poach a cougar, they get a guy >their age that looks like a guy way >younger, and they love it. Now if only >more of them were more attractive to me. You lucky dog. Im getting grey hairs popping up all over. >And whats funny is when I was 25, I >went to Cancun with a buddy. While >there, I hooked up with HB9 from >Kentucky with a body to die for. She was >36. I set up a date with her for the >next night, but I remember saying to my >buddy before the date, "I dont know, >man. Shes pretty and all. But shes 36! >That is pretty old, isnt it?" He talked >me out of jamming on the date, and I had >a pretty good time. Whats funny about >it is, now Im that old, too, and I it >makes me chuckle when I think about

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Older women and their stupid mentalities / Post 306

>that. I remember being 19 and 22 seemed sooo old. lol >Two phrases I always say when asked >about my age by a young HB: > >"I like young girls. Their stories are >shorter." > >"Youre only as old as the woman you >feel." God quotes to keep in mind. Later, Juggler

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or something / Post 307

or something / Post 307

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Post Date: April 12th, 2002 12:22:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
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On 4/12/02 12:58:00 PM, AllWeatherGal wrote: >Geisha education is strictly >for professional supplicants. Na! Id love to learn all the tea ceremony stuff and the flower decorating and how they say you are supposed to take care of a client It would be a blast. Maybe they have a class at my local community college. :) -Juggler

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Hitting brick wall with HB9.5 / Post 308

Hitting brick wall with HB9.5 / Post 308

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Post Date: April 12th, 2002 10:03:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
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Hi Vinnie, Forget the cube, time distortion and all those cute games. If you are going to use that stuff, use it when you first meet her. You are way past that point. Tell her point blank that you enjoy giving women orgasms. Say, "I want to do that for you, but you seem hesitant. Is there an embarrassing tattoo or something?" Be direct but good humored. -Juggler

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Feedback wanted on HB from my class / Post 309

Feedback wanted on HB from my class / Post 309

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Post Date: April 12th, 2002 10:57:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
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On 4/13/02 4:35:00 AM, Nebuchadnezzar wrote: >Whats up, guys! First post >here. Welcome, good to hear from you. Nothing personal Neb, but I am going to take the opportunity to rip you here. Im harsh but I just really want to help you out of some of your mistaken ways before you go too long down the wrong path. >The class meets Tuesdays and >Thursdays. As far as I can >tell the Alpha Males of the >class are myself and a large, >outspoken, friendly black >football player and the rest >are too weak to dominate. Try not to think about being Alpha as as domination. Think of it more as being courageous. >On >the second day we were >supposed to give a speech >introducing someone else in >the class that we had been >paired up with on the first >day. After this was done the >instructor randomly called on >us to point out a person whose >introduction we remembered and >I chose her (Rebecca). I said, >"that is Rebecca, and she >moved to (my city) two years >ago and worked in (local >grocery chain) for 3 months >without a lot of time off and >used the money to travel >before school....Oh, yeah >shes from (state), and where >in (state) by the way, >Rebecca" Should have chosen someone else. Instead you took advantage of the situation to set up a reason to talk with her. Once you begin to seriously sarge her she will realize this and deduct respect points from you.

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Feedback wanted on HB from my class / Post 309

>I decided to play it cool by >getting her email address on >Thursday. We are both college >students and check it quite >often but arent home all the >time to answer the phone and >voicemail pretty much sucks >goat gnads. Do you think that >was a good decision? Not really. Avoid email. In person or over the telephone is where you want to be. >of class. Before we left, the >instructor had us pass around >a sheet and write our names >and e-mail addresses on it. >This is where I checked her >address so that I would know >if I were given a fake one >when I would later ask for it. It is not very alpha to be sneaky. >Me: Did you do something >different with your hair? >Her: (surprised) I cut it, you >are the only one thats >noticed. >Me: I got a haircut as well. >Her: I didnt notice, but I do >now that you mentioned it. > >I wouldnt normally have >talked about myself, but I >thought it was appropriate to >point out a coincidence. Ack! This is where you could have segwayed into talking about how you love getting a hair cut. It makes you feel like a different person. "This particular cut make me all introspective. (seductive tone) Hey baby come back over to my pad and we can smoke some smooth grass, get all mellow, look at the stars on the ceiling and try to figure out the universe." Its okay to talk about yourself. You just got to learn how to do it in an interesting way. Not about your details but about your emotions and expressions. Show a range of your humanity man. You had a chance here to show alot of value. >Me: So, whats your speech >going to be about? >Her: Dont make fun of me, >its about my fear of cleaning >toilets. (our worse fear was >one of the options for a >speech topic). I never have. >Me: How must you deal with >that?

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Feedback wanted on HB from my class / Post 309

> >Chit chat basically continues >and when we are about to part >ways, I say, "Why dont you >give me your e-mail in case I >miss class sometime?" Neb, dude! That is sooo weak. Once she figures out that you are trying to get her into bed, she will remember this excuse close and will see it for what it really is - a trick. Be alpha next time and do the brave thing and make your intent more clear before you close or dont close. Even if you manage to lay this girl, practicing this kind of close will only delay you learning how to close properly. Read up on SOI. > Which >she did, without hesitation. >What I noticed about her was >that she was not hard to start >a convo with. She seemed happy >that I had talked to her and >was engaging in the >conversation herself, which I >usually take as a sign of at >least some interest. > >One thing I could have perhaps >done better, is that I wasnt >cocky enough in Thursdays >convo. I didnt neg her at >all, but I think I am alright >there because I already did >that once on Tuesday in a >pretty good way that I already >described. Dont worry about NEGing here. Try to show more value. >Here is my idea of how to >proceed and I am open to >feedback and suggestions. >This weekend, maybe Sunday >afternoon I am going to send >her the following e-mail >message: > >(yahoo tongue-stick-out-face) >@ haircut girl! > >OPPS, did I just stick my >tongue out at you? hehehehe! > >-Nebuchadnezzar > >I think the playful nature of >this will make her more >comfortable with me and arouse

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Feedback wanted on HB from my class / Post 309

>her curiosity about me (who >she still does not know a >great deal about). DO NOT send this email. It is a mistake. In fact, do not send her any email. When you see her next, make concrete plans to so something together. >When I see her Tuesday, we >will give our speeches and I >am pretty sure that mine will >blow most of the class out of >the water. After class, I >will ask her out for coffee >later that week and get her >phone number and ask when is a >good time to reach her. Okay, good. You have plans to ask her out. But avoid the coffee thing - it is way overdone. Instead, make plans to have sex (okay, thats my MO, but that may be too advanced for you at this point and you have not done the ground work to show enough and the right kind of value) So just try suggesting something fun to do together. Go to the rock-climbing gym or something. >I think I am doing well so far >and I have taken advantage of >opportunities to show >Alphaness in the speech class, >plus I did not waste any time >in approaching her. I have >displayed so much confidence >in front of her, shes >probably feeling it in her >puzzy. Difficult to tell form a post, but with the facts you have presented I doubt you will get what you are after from this girl. And remember that this group and seduction are not about getting any particular girl. It is about improving your skills. Keep that as your overriding goal. >Any comments? Avoid these prolonged sarges. You only need 10-15 minutes to demonstrate worth and close with a girl. Be more direct. Good luck, Juggler

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Eliciting values vs. I am the prize / Post 310

Eliciting values vs. I am the prize / Post 310

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Post Date: April 13th, 2002 09:35:00 AM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.advanced Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
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On 4/11/02 7:54:00 PM, drunkmagician wrote: >Juggler, I suspect that our >styles arent that dissimilar, >except you seem to be a little >more performance skilled and >oriented. I am going to >improve my own competency at >this kind of pickup. Acting >classes seem attractive so I >am going down now to enrol! >Its something I have always >wanted to do and now seems the >right time. The whole roller >coaster of emotions thing you >do is something I could >definitely see myself doing. Yeah, acting classes are great! I highly recomend them DM. -Juggler

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Eliciting values vs. I am the prize / Post 311

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On 4/11/02 7:54:00 PM, drunkmagician wrote: >Juggler, I suspect that our >styles arent that dissimilar, >except you seem to be a little >more performance skilled and >oriented. I am going to >improve my own competency at >this kind of pickup. Acting >classes seem attractive so I >am going down now to enrol! >Its something I have always >wanted to do and now seems the >right time. The whole roller >coaster of emotions thing you >do is something I could >definitely see myself doing. Yeah, acting classes are great! I highly recommend them DM. -Juggler

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closing while teaching seduction / Post 313

closing while teaching seduction / Post 313

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Slowly but surely, Im getting more organized in teaching workshops. Filling in those gaps. But am running into a continual problem. Maybe you guys can give me some ideas. The situation: During my workshops, I make a group approach pulling in a student, a few minutes later Im in with a girl. And, it appears, the student is in with a girl. But a minute later he gets blown out, goes for an early close or just chooses not to go any further with this one for his own reason. So Im looking over and the student(s) is not doing anything. Valuable training time is being wasted! I hate wasted time and my first priority is to them, so even though I HAVE my girl, I bail the interaction to get the student(s) set up for another approach. So Im only closing 2-3 girls on these nights and not demonstrating many closes when I could be closing alot more. Im teaching a small personal workshop this weekend and would like to figure out a solution. If the ultimate answer is just to bail, for the students good, then so be it. But if anyone can come up with a clever solution that would be appreciated. The only idea I have for this so far is to tell the student that when he is OUT, to come over and do a time constraint -thus forcing me to close on the spot no matter where I am at in the sarge. Any other ideas? -Juggler

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Need phone technique refinement.. / Post 315

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Your girl may just not have her own line or something. Not neccesarily a flake. This is an opportunity. Get the sister on the line and make her like you before going on to your target. You will be sooo in. -Juggler

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New Approach(the tag approach) / Post 316

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Instead, go up to a girl and ask, "Is MY tag hanging out? It isnt? Good, cause nothing makes me angrier than when my freakin tag is hangin out. The whole world can see I wear a medium and shop at the gap. Thats none of their business. Hey, I like those sandals you got on. They remind me of this girl I met on my trip last summer..." Keep in mind the 90-10 rule. -Juggler

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Re: Need phone technique refinement.. / Post 317

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Hmmmm... I see. That is a conundrum. It may not be worth your time at this point. But off the top of my head, Id leave a message like, "Hi Michelle, this is Chris. _______(Her sister) wanted me to call her at this number. Whats up with that. Dont you get tired of her using your stuff? Anyway, if you tell her to call me that would be cool. The number is xxx-xxxx." -Juggler

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Seducer On/Off / Post 318

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Think about what the nature of ON is. I think of ON as when you are in the frame of being very open. Your guard is lowered and you can think aloud in front of people. Your opinions, emotions and humor flow freely. There is no stage fright. You are just expressing. Now, in some peoples mind, there is a problem with being this open all the time. They believe that you need to protect yourself and pull within or else you cant deal with con-men, girls you dont want pursuing you, etc.. But this is mistaken. You also need to be open with those you do not want to seduce or not want in your life. It is just that you may be hesitant to develop the dark side of yourself. You have mastered your seductive good side. But now you have to pay more attention to the other side. I know you have used this side to bitch girls out and to lay down the law but you need to become even better and willing to express anger and power as you have your passion. Those moments when someone wrongs you and you would normally just forget it, instead tell them how they have F-uped. Im not saying you actually have to get red in the face and be an A-hole. (A little acting doesnt hurt though) I am saying, you need to become effective at putting people in their place and using negative emotions to influence others. Try this experiment. Visit a used car lot and approach the first salesman you see. Sarge him. Make him like you. This should be very easy. Now, when he begins to try to sell you a car cut him off. "I have no interest in buying a car." Do not let him go down that road. Be ruthless but keep your guard down and go right back to being friendly. Heck, you can try this with the bums too. make them like you without giving them any money or hemming and hawing about giving them money. Be tough as nails but then be able to turn on a dime and be nice and smooth as silk. Girls need that from you. People need that from you. Think of yourself as everyones dad. You love them but sometimes you ahev to set the law down.

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When you can freely and effectively express both sides then you will feel very free to be open (ON) all the time. -Juggler

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phone techniques / Post 319

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A few good points but... >2) never stay on the phone >longer than 5 minutes (the >phone is meant to set up a >meeting) This is mistaken. The phone and your voice can be a powerful tool for engaging interest. Do not try to set up a meeting right away. Take the time to put her in a good mood. Re-attract her and then make her think you are going to hang up without setting something up. Make her want the meeting. Then set it up. If you go for it right at the beginning you will look too eager. Also if she doesnt have the time to properly chat or she sounds rushed then tell her you will call her back another time - do not try to set up a meet. Keep the conversation on your terms. >4) wait 7-10 days before >calling her back That is insane man. In the meantime another guy in this group will have already called her and sexed her three or four times. Call next day if you want. If you put her in a mood these little time games dont matter. -Juggler

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knowing how fast to lead / Post 320

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Forget the idea of close. Instead concentrate on moving the conversation towards sex. Discuss sex flatly - candidly. No humor, no patterns. Let her know that you are in the habit of making women feel really good. Move this towards actually talking about the two of you doing physical things to each other. Then your plans to get together, either that night or another will follow naturally. -Juggler

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Eye Contact - Body Language / Post 321

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Eyes - Dont just look, express. If she can see you looking then she can see your expressions. But here is a rule of thumb, dont look at a woman when she is far away - that takes no courage - all the losers do that. Instead, get real close and then look at her seductively - only PUA do that. Then sarge away. Body language - open posture. hands down to the sides when walking, out of pockets. Sitting - take up as much room as possible. Talking with a HB - making gestures to strength points and applying kino. -Juggler

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Ok, I have been lurking afew days... / Post 322

Ok, I have been lurking afew days... / Post 322

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On 4/18/02 10:05:12 AM, TRaNCeR wrote: >Did like all the great PUAs >just get tired of the kid >stuff ? I mean >every other post is high >school this..., college >that.... have you guys ran >the veterans off ? There are alot of young guys on this board but I dont mind. Its like anything. Young seducers grow up to be old seducers. We need the fresh blood. How long are we going to go on quoting MrNYC, Sevengali and all those guys who dont even post on old ASF anymore and have never even posted here. Things evolve - we have new stars of fast seduction and I like the idea of homegrowing them. And besides, many of these kids are really good. >is there anybody >in here who has seduced >anybody over 25 ??? Well I am 33 and I have seduced women of all ages. I currently have MLTRs with girls from 19 - 31. >I read >all this jibberish about >patterns and crap Hey, Im not an NLP guy. Frankly I use something I belive is much more powerful then NLP but there is no doubt that patterns and all this jibberish has helped many guys get sex when they would not have gotten it otherwise. >at your ages why you even >bother, you could get >laid quicker if you just go up >to a girl and say "Lets go >fuck in the >mustang my daddy bought me" Not a bad line actually. :) >Most of the posts I have seen >just look like "flim flam" to >me, you learn >some techniques, you may or >may not even do them right,

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Ok, I have been lurking afew days... / Post 322

>you get laid and you >think you seduced someone... >its just plain bullshit >.....some chicks will >just bang you if she thinks >you are cute, or worse if >thier girl friends >think you are cute. True some will, but many want something deeper. Many want a guy who has an amazing personality and can put them in a mood. Yes, looks have something to do with it but most guys want to go beyond what their looks can supply. -Juggler

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Re: Seducer On/Off / Post 323

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On 4/18/02 5:34:17 PM, Alessandro wrote: >On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:18:00 -0400, >P.S. Isnt this how you were dealing >with the gay waiter, when I >freaked out and even refused to look at >him? > Actually, I just slipped him your number. :) -Juggler

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she says she has to go find her friends.. / Post 324

she says she has to go find her friends.. / Post 324

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If you ever get this line again when things are going well say, "I would like to meet your friends." Then go with her, meet and charm. Once they like you, you will have even more control over her. -Juggler

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Re: Seducer On/Off / Post 325

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On 4/18/02 8:42:30 PM, Alessandro wrote: >On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:00:00 -0400, >juggler wrote: > >>Actually, I just slipped him your >number. :) > >He probably flaked when he heard the >"dog wash" part ;-D bwahahahahahahahahahahahah Im dying here. I dont think I will be able to continue. -Juggler

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Belt loop opener / Post 326

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Whatever you wear, just make sure you miss one of your belt loops in the back. Then use Jugglers belt loop opener: "Hey did I miss a loop?" Pull up shirt and show back of pants. "Well, putting on my clothes I was very rushed. Mmmffff, jealous husbands have no sense of humor!" -Juggler

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Alpha Transformation 2 / Post 327

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>must go. Before you argue >understand this, alphas >usually dont give respect >intianlly they try to control, >alpha always do what is in >their own best intrest even if >someone else gets screwed, >even if it means lying and >cheating. these traits seem to >be ingrained in all alphas (me >first, me second, you when >ever the fuck i am finshed) This is NOT how a true alpha is. You, like many people make the mistake of believing an asshole personality is Alpha. This is an understandable error - assholes will get more than their share of attention and girls when there are no strong personalities present. Remember an asshole needs people and situations to validate himself. While an Alpha is a force of nature all to himself. An alpha CAN be moral and have high minded values. An alpha is so strong a personality that he will literally change other peoples values and lives. An alpha typically spends his time helping his friends get laid and works to make others look better and looks out for a groups long term best interest. So man, you sound like a good dude. Dont go changing to try to fit an erroneous image. >It literaly scares me that >after 25 years of trying to >perfect my personality to what >i thought the ideal was, now i >find out it isnt and the very >emotions i tried to supress >are the ones that are most >desireable (greed, arrogance, >and controling) An alpha has complete confidence in his ability to provide for himself. There is no need to be greedy. Greed comes out of fear that you can not provide for yourself in a straight up or consistent manner.

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Alpha Transformation 2 / Post 327

An alpha is confident. It ooozes from his pores. There is no need to constantly tell people (arrogance) how great he is. He demonstrate his confidence all the time by taking the actions others are afraid to take. It is not very alpha to need to control others. Instead, an alpha helps others gain more control. For instance, at a party an alpha will be inclusive of others - always wanting to find ways of helping those on the perifery join in the conversation or fun. >How dosent one change this? >how does one pratice purposely >shitting on people, lying to >them, and nurturing these >supposedly negative traits >traits? Learn how to be tough and strong with those that want to abuse you and others. Practice being friendly and open to other people. Think of alpha as being courageous: Stand up to the boss. Be-friend the guy who others pick on. Say Hi to the pan-handler while not giving him money. Seduce the hot girl everyone is afraid to talk to. Tell the assholes off. Do stuff nobody else does. When your group is unsure, be the leader and show them the way. >also i know very few >alphas to begin with i >usually dont associate with >them they (usually think of me >as weak, until they try and >test it and usually get thier >egos bruised) I doubt you have ever met an alpha. Remember being Alpha is more about having the guts to be open about how you feel and who you really are. It is gaining the ability to put it out there with no fear. If you have good values, and you sound like you do, then your job is to express those and to be that guy in a big way. That is alpha. -Juggler

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Re: Alpha Transformation 2 / Post 328

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>Taking a cue from movies (just so we >have a common point of reference), >think of William Wallace (Mel Gibson) in >the movie Braveheart. Great example Chris! -Juggler

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Re: Ross On Walk-ups.... / Post 329

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>(You know I am not into the >SOI thing, but Juggler is). My good friend Toecutter, I am into SOI (actually gone far beyond SOI these days) But just so there is no confusion, I would not recommend using an SOI at the beginning of an interaction. -Juggler

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Post Date: April 24th, 2002 01:56:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.fieldreports Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
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Ross, Nothing personal but this is a bad post. If you really want to improve SS you should take my workshop. Ill be in San Fran June 6-9 and Montreal June 27-July 1. Seriously, you would get alot out of it. I am very good at walk-ups/street pick-ups. Maybe the best. (Although I havent met everybody and im sure Mystery is great at walk-ups too.) But it is hard to imagine anyone doing it better than me. Ask guys who have sarged with me. I can get rapport and trust in a matter of moments. Im not trying to brag. Just wanting you to know that I speak with some expertise when I tell you that your ideas here are really basic at best and damaging at worst. I just took a guy out for a private one on one workshop this last weekend. He was only 20 YO, so we could only do street walk-ups. We did maybe fifty walk-ups over two days. If you were to do this with me you would get a much better feel for how to get good at walk-ups rather than spend time coming up with technology. On 4/22/02 3:26:00 PM, sandworm wrote: (snip) >method, just for kicks. >Bear in mind that all of these >of course work only when you >are in control of your state, >and also when you demonstrate >you understand the ongoing >situation, etc etc etc. Forget this controlling state stuff. Just figure out how you feel and let it loose on the world. > >Statements of Interest are >really the most "direct >approach". They take the form >of: > >I couldnt help noticing how X >I think you are...and I really >wanted to Y.(Y can be "meet >you" "say hello". You can add

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>in "and on the wild chance we >could really like each >other..I had to come and meet >you." Ack! Telling a girl right off the bat that you are into her will work for some girls but not the really attractive ones. They get that all the time. And it sets you up as the one doing the chasing. >So the key phrase is: I >couldnt help noticing.... > >Another key phrase, as an >alternate is "I admire how x" > >As in , "I admire how powerful >and strong you are...I think >it looks great..and I really >wanted to meet you. " You >could use this on a very >athletic chick who is in a >super-market, gym, etc. This type of thing will make a girl self-conscious and will lower rapport. She will tighten up and not be very open. > >What counts here is that you >are owning the communication. >You are saying that YOU think >she is so and so....you are >not saying she IS so and so. A >subtle difference, but >important. It just has more >impact to say, "I think you >look great" as opposed to "YOU >look great". In general avoid putting I think in front of things. This weakens anything said after and makes you seem unsure. >I like to combine my SOIs >with a tiny little bit of a >put-on. So, I will often, with >the first eye contact I give a >woman, put on a look of >suprised recognition...like we >know each other already...and >then say in that same tone, >"Hey...how are you?" That is good. But then you spoil it with ... >When she gives me that, "Do I >know you look or even asks me" >Ill say, "No, you dont

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>me...but I couldnt help >noticing how...(pause) >astonishing I think you >are...and I was hoping there >was a cool person inside for >me to meet...Im Ross". When she gives you that "Do I know you look" just keep going like you are comfortable with her, as if you did know her. Go right into chatting about things you would only talk about with someone you have known for years. You would be in here. But instead you reminded her that you are a stranger trying to get to know her. And on top of that you gave away all the control by telling her that you are interested in her. >Note that you are owning the >communication, issuing a bit >of a challenge, and creating >an opportunity for her to >respond. Weak communication. Vague challenge. Her response will be lackluster at best. In the sametime I would already have her giggling and asking about ME. >scary for them. For younger >gals, I actually prefer >put-ons, followed by genuine >intuition if I can find one or >a good observation. (Recall >the story of Tiffany and >Emily, the 18 year olds I >sarged. I opened up by faking >like I was flamingly gay and >telling Tiff, "Looking at how >pretty your blues are is >giving me the naughty >tingles". Then I followed >through with my >observations/intuitions about >her. Everything is about her in your system. It should be about the guy. Turn this stuff around and lead her to chase you. Especially with younger girls. They need to chase someone and not the other way around. >Put-Ons > >I really love put-ons. In this >category, I put faking like I >am flamingly gay, pretending >to be very late meeting them >because I was stuck in >traffic(when I dont even know >them), rapping spontaneously >to them in my Pimp Daddy >Master RJ style, making them >laugh like hell by pretending

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>to be pissed at them because >they havent written or called >after the little thing we had >in "pago pago" and they >discarded me like a cheap >slut... > >Ill go through some of these >word for word, but note that >put-ons generally require a >higher, faster energy level. >Its more manic, relying on >momentum, like a >machine-gun-stand-up-comic. >You are stepping up their >energy by going REALLY fast, >boosting their mood and >enthusiasm and then you can >follow up with an SOI of some >kind, implied compliment(my >favorite). Forget the compliment! An SOI is not a compliment. A good SOI is a pact to have sex! >Let me jump to the implied >compliment, which is really a >follow-up to a put-on. >Nowadays, when I fake I am >flaming, and I get them >laughing, I will then say in >normal voice, "Actually, Im >really not gay, but I have >theory that very pretty women >actually have great senses of >humor, and I wanted to see if >I was right...Im Ross". Ackk! You dont need to pretend to be anything than what you are. You think you are making progress, but you are damaging your long term chances. >Im going to hang out with, >and Im glad you passed the >test..Im YOUR NAME HERE". Rephrase above to "Im glad you passed the test, now we can hang out. My name is ______" And its a decent line. >Ok..gotta run to dinner, will >continue this post in a few >hours.....with more on Put-ons >and Spontaneous Utterances > >RJ Dude, take my workshop. Its only $300. It will change your life.

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Post Date: April 24th, 2002 04:34:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
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Im going to treat you like any other poster here Ross. Nothing personal of course. You should consider taking my workshop. It will be in San Fran June 7-8 and in Montreal June 28-29 Hopefully Ill be able to squeeze a Chicago workshop in there sometime along with the Detroit workshop in May. Seriously, you should take part Ross. Its only $300 and it would change your life. I took a guy out for a private one on one workshop this last weekend and he made probably 30 approaches. That is what you need, some real life situations. On 4/23/02 9:24:00 PM, sandworm wrote: (Snips) >Part I, we dealt with >Statements of Interest, >Observation/Intuition/Question >-Compliments A good statement of intent is a pact to have sex. It is used at the closing. Not as an opener and does not take the form of a compliment. >I tend to go for put-ons when >I am in a high-energy state. >Put-ons require blasting >through with your energy, >highly-charged, but in a funny >way. You can be highly charged without becoming something you are not. Using this Put-on, you will think that you are making progress but once she realizes you are putting her on she will consider you just entertainment and will not take you seriously. >Some favorite put-ons: Faking >like I am gay. I will now >often do this in a club or a >rave(I did this at a club with >brother Chris P..he was >sarging (deleted by Juggler)!).

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I consider Chris a good friend and he is probably too nice tell you this, but you should never mention the name of any girl anyone has sarged on this public group. Especially if they are a celebrity. What are you thinking? Your post should be deleted or at least edited. Jay?????? >Now, you kind of have to learn >how far to push, before you >reveal you arent a >fudge-puncher. WTF? Are you a homo-phobe? Every post, it seems you mention fudge this or fudge that. >But, note the >implied compliment at the >end.. Avoid compliments during sarging!!!! They make a girl think, "What does he want?" They will degrade rapport for sure. >Ive used more simpler >versions...again, at a rave >type thing for >RainForestActionNetwork, I >walked up to a persian HB with >HUGE >mama-jamma-blammas(teeties), >wearing spiked heels, and hit >her with the "Princess, >looking at those do-me pumps >is giving me the NAUGHTY >tingles.." Guys, dont be mislead by what works to get a conversation going at a celebrity party out in LA. In that scene almost any opener will work. Girls are always real nice because you may be someone who can help her career. Once they figure out where you stack in the industry, they will deal with you appropriately. At this kind of event you can tell a girl anything and she will be initially interested. >If I see a woman in a public >place and I cant lock into >anything else to read on her, >other than that she appears to >be waiting for someone, Ill >rush up like Im out of breath >and say, "Im so sorry Im so >late..traffic was awful.." > >When she gives me that "what >are you talking about look" >Ill say, "Arent you the girl >I was supposed to meet and >fall madly in love with >today?"

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Kill the "madly in love" part. That will let her know you are hitting on her. Ive re-worded it for you Ross. At the end say, "Arent you the girl I was supposed to buy the puppy from?" Then you can talk about how much you like puppies and what kind you are getting, etc Now you got a conversation with good rapport. >When she says "no" Ill say, >"I know that..but I have a >theory that women who >are.....(long pause) >astonishingly pretty...have >great senses of humor..and I >wanted to see if I was right". Compliment, compliment! This might work on 7 and below but any astonishingly pretty gets told that all the time. >Notice how we use the IMPLIED >compliment. I didnt say SHE >was astonishingly pretty..I >IMPLIED it. MUCH more useful, >much more acceptable. She will not notice the difference and more importantly you are now focused on how great she is instead of demonstrating how great you are. >BTW, anytime you even >accidentally make a woman >laugh before introducing >yourself, jump on it by using >the implied compliment.."I had >a theory that women who >are......(put in your own >adjective)... No, just follow up with more good material. The implied compliment will come across as too weird. >Anyway, the point is to use >this high-energy rap-crap to >get the gals laughing...then >add in what Chris P >does.."Hey..that wasnt >free..thatll be $20!" The part you are taking from Chris is good. Your part is childish. >Other put ons: To a girl who >is studying intently....walk >up..smile...say, "Excuse >me...can I ask you not to >think so loud..you are >disturbing my reading!" When >she laughs say, "You just >seemed to be thinking so hard, >I thought youd better take a >break before you pop >something....Im "YOUR NAME

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>HERE"...listen, Ill let you >go back to studying, but when >you find YOUR MIND >WANDERING...and YOU WANT TO >TAKE A BREAK..Im sitting over >there..theres something very >unusual about you I noticed, >that Id like to talk to you >about." Instead, just say, "What you reading?" Then stick around and sarge. Dont wait for her to go find you. >Then turn and walk back to >your table..this is a >challenge to see if she will >step into YOUR world and >approach YOU! If you never left, you could have kept her in your world form the beginning. >I swear, I then jumped down, >got on all fours, crawled over >to her, whining like a puppy, >sniffed her butt, pretended to >lift my leg, etc. etc. etc > >(Not for the feint of heart!) You are giving her free entertainment at the price of your dignity. You can be fun without crawling on the ground. A girl laughs at guys like that but she sleeps with guys who are smooth, seductive and know how to keep their dignity. But heck, if acting like a dog gets you laid Ross and if you dont mind lowering yourself then by all means go for it. >Use your imagination with >put-ons....just remember it is >on the high-energy end of the >scale. For you guys who have >been to a Magick/PI seminar or >who have the videos, put-ons >would generate from the >resource outside the circle to >the left, whereas >intuition/observation >appraoches are based on the >resource to the right. SOIs >would be based more on the >resource to the rear of the >circle...you see why I came up >with all this and how it >dovetails with SS, yes? Right >resource on rear resource are >also best for physical >closes...front resource to be

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>projected when you want them >to feel a bit more emotionally >hooked in and thinking of >future.(If you dont have the >videos, get your ass to a >PI/Magick seminar..next one is >in NYC in June....) Guys, only spend money on this if you want to sit in a room with a bunch of other guys talking about scales, resources, etc.. If you want to actually improve your game get out in the field. >IMPLIED COMPLIMENT Forget compliments as openers. She will not take you seriously and if she is really hot she will toss your compliment on the vast pile. And you dont want to be concentrating on how great she is. >Im not sure of all the >dynamics, but I really think >this applies....if you IMPLY >the compliment, the trait must >be so compelling, that you >cant help yourself. If you >OWN the compliment as being >what YOU think, then you must >make it a matter of your also >owning your intent to meet >her. That is fine. Just not at the beginning of the sarge with beautiful girls. This will have some success with plain looking girls though. So if that is your thing then compliment away. >Spontaneous Expostulation >As in "Damn...GORGEOUS.." > >Or :BEAUUUUTIFUL GIRL!" Talking with yourself?! Dont do this unless you want to appear desperate and/or deranged. >Closes > > >How you close the initial >meeting depends on: > >*How much time you and she >have to talk then and there >*What environment you are >meeting her in >*How you calibrate her >comfort, interest, attention >*What you know about your own >timing and scheduling

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Agreed! But this is obvious. >Obviously, if you two are >really getting along, all over >each other and are at say a >mutual friends party, why not >see if you can get her to >leave with you then and there? Yes, obviously. >Patter to continue this >another time(say, after a very >short conversation) > >1. Pace the fact you havent >talked long at all: Dont pace, lead! >"Listen, I know this is kinda >random talking like this...and >we dont even really know each >other..but if youre not with >someone who is with you..in >the way you TRULY want them to >be.... maybe we owe it to each >other to talk). Dont remind her you are a stranger! The rest is okay. >Watch her response. If it is >positive, then say ,"Lets >exchange info" A much better close is a REAL SOI. Talk candidly about getting physical with each other. Make plans for sex. Or if you cant do that then make plans to do something concrete together. >Another option, just as good, >"I really have to get >going...but what steps can we >take..to make sure we can talk >again?" Hey, I know its a classic but really just make plans to get together to do something, if not sex then something fun, and you wont have to worry too much about a number. >Ok..Im exhausted....Ill be >teaching this in DETAIL in >Chicago, 3,4 and 5. Who else >wants to learn the details, >FIRSTHAND? Better sign up >soon! Dude, I sure hope you do not teach these things. It will be a step backward for most guys. Ross, spend a little money and come take my workshop. You will get a lot out of it. Really, you started a lot of this stuff and many of your ideas are good but realize the state of the pick up arts has evolved. This stuff is

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RAFC at best. Take my workshop or Mysterys or something. -Juggler

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Celebrity Pickups / Post 332

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Post Date: April 26th, 2002 02:09:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
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The challenging part is getting access. You got to be invited to the right places and parties. Get to know someone in the industry or someone who already goes to those places. On a related note: My current favorite girlfriend plays is in a popular band. We are at this place talking and a guy comes up with a camera and asks to take her picture. Of course he means HER picture and not OUR picture. Im a little put off, but she lets him. I just move away so he can get a clear shot. First time Ive felt awkward and out of place in awhile. In retrospect I should have taken charge of the situation and told the guy we are having a private moment together. But in that situation I let her celebrity power be in charge. I think in that moment I compromised my alphaness. Next time, Ill tell them they can take OUR pic or do some Sean Penn move or something... Anyway, from my limited experience in this realm (being a simple midwest boy) I would say that it is even more important to be strong and in control. Celebrity chicks may or may not be higher rated on the 1-10 scale but they are kind of Alpha by their very nature. You may need to treat them accordingly. -Juggler

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Post Date: April 29th, 2002 02:49:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
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Alessandro, The key to the street pick-up close is not what close you use but how you do it. It has to be performed like it just popped into your head. And always on a peak. After you say something funny, before the laugh totally is gone say, "Hey, this might be wacky, but lets go around the corner and get an icecream. I love strawberry cheese cake. Whats your favorite flavor?" Here are some more tips: 1. Introduce yourself as soon as you are in. Sooner than in a club situation cause nobody likes to talk to a stranger on the street. 2. Let her know what you are up to. "Somebody told me there was a good dry-cleaner around here. You know its a good party when you get your best pair of wool pants soaked with red wine." 3. Be real casual. And keep your guard down. This will help her relax. You got to be real comfortable with yourself. 4. If you are going to Neg on opening make sure you have a smile to compensate. 5. You got to get in a playful rythim. If you can achieve the proper vibe you can be unstobable on the street. I remember this one pick-up I did. I was walking down the sidewalk. Sunny beautiful day and this Jaguar pulls up to a meter and this very good looking lady steps. I say, "You know you cant park there." She stops before dropping coins in the meter, "Oh really, why?" I say, "Cause I said so." She calls me a shit - in a sisterly way. That is when the rythim was right. I said, "Where you going?" She said this place up the street. I said, "Ill walk with you." That was it, done deal. Alessandro my friend you said you are going to be in California in June. Come up to SF for the workshop June 7-8 or if you can make it up from DC to NYC in August and Ill show you how easy street pick-ups closes can be.

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>I talked with her Monday on >the phone, ended the >conversation with: >Me:"We should get together >later this week" >HB:OK, Ill be free on >Thursday, talk to me on >Wednesday. This is where you should have taken a different route. You: "No. I need at least three days notice to fit anything into my schedule. It is so busy these days. (Here you can go off into details about how busy you are, even make some stuff up) We can do it when your schedule is more free and you can make a commitment." More often than not, the girl will agree to a hard day and time. Remind her how important it is to keep a commitment with you. Be light but firm. And do not accept her saying anything like, "Lets talk the day before to confirm." or any of that nonsense. If she says that then repeat the above statement. -Juggler

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Newbie Field Test: The Belt Loop Opener / Post 335

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>Question for juggler if he >reads and replies to this: I >continually hear you allude to >your "pact to have sex" SOI >close, but I have not been >able to find it described in >detail anywhere exactly how it >is done. I would love to >thrill and delight everyone >with a report on that as well. Hey guys, Ive been lax in posting lately. Been working on getting the workshop website up. I will post the "pact to have sex" on this board soon. A note on the belt loop opener. It is great that people are using it. Go Neb! But the way I have done it is with a smile and a vibe that says Im obviously kidding. Not sexual. But then again, maybe someone would like to test it all sexual-like. Fun to see what happens. -Juggler

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>Anyhow, I just feel like Im >not "stuck" yet, so the class >would probably be a waste >but maybe not. I just did a >walkup today on a 7, and it >seemed to go pretty well. I >think once I get "decent", the >class will take my game to the >next level. Id like to hear >Jugglers thoughts on this. Hey Primo, You should take the workshop. I did one a couple weekends ago. Guy wrote me a letter, "You changed my life!" You will be able to read his complete testimonial once the workshop website is up (hopefully in the next week). The workshop will make a huge difference in your game. You will be surprised. It is not a matter of being stuck or not. It is a matter of bi-passing a huge wasteland of dead ends and wrong paths. It will cut a huge learning curve. Over the last ten years I have made all the mistakes for you. You get to use what works right away. You will learn the proper way to tell a story, the right body language to use on the walk-up, the way to lead, how to be interesting and the confidence to approach the HBs. It WILL change YOUR life. Anyway, since you have posted about this, here is my offer to you and only you Primo. Im going to allow you to take the workshop for free. Everyone else is $300. But if you get laid by a HB during the workshop weekend then you have to take me and one of my girlfriends out to dinner at a nice restaurant, of my choosing, and afterward for icecream. I like mint de creme chip, double scoops, waffle cone. Does that sound fair? By the way, there will probably be a workshop in Boston on May 31 - June 1. Since that is coming up quick, want to get a shout out asap. Those who are interested let me know. -Juggler

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Hi Jake, I would love to come to Denver. If you want to sign up, I will go ahead and put it on the schedule. July 12-13 is a possibility. Email me and well work out a date. -Juggler

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Post Date: May 6th, 2002 10:36:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
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Stories.... In general try to avoid searching for good material. Some of the other posters are on target here when they say anything can be a story. You need to develop your ability to relate and express a story. Once you get good at this, you can create interest out of thin air. Anybody can get attention by telling a story which is in its own nature entertaining. That type of good material WILL keep attention, but in the end it is the story which is interesting and not you. That is bad. I can not express this strongly enough. AVOID INTERESTING STORIES. They can be a mirage which will lead you away from seduction. Also keep in mind that interesting material can be hijacked. You will be the center of attention, talking about some great topic and then some other guy or CB just has to get in their story or views on the same subject and then boom, you are no longer the center of attention. Instead develop your ability to make the mundane fascinating. Once you can do this, then your listener will associate good feelings with you and not your material. For example, I sometimes challenge guys to use their most fascinating material, wether it be palm reading, NLP, a story about seeing two girls fight or whatever and I will just recite my grocery shopping list. Then we will see who does better. That is what you need to do. Get really freaking good at making your groceries interesting. Do that and you will realize that it is not what you talk about but how you talk about it. Use dramatic pauses, hooks and expressions. Really get into your story. Also never just spill your story out. Instead make your listeners want to hear more. Pause and look at them. Wait for their interest to show. Play on their curiosity and refuse to entertain them. They must show interest on their faces and in their questions or else do not continue - your story and performance is valuable. Try not to just give it away. As far as sexual stories go, personally I talk about some of the things that have happened to me with other women. This is typically a money subject. The stories subtly relate ideas I want to get across (You may want to relate

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different ideas) Like I am good in bed, I am a player who is up for a purely sexual relationship, women seek me out, I am high maintenance (If I am considering this girl for mltr) etc... Of course these all appear to be just things that are in the story and not the point of the story so it doesnt look like Im bragging or something. Okay, so here is my recommendation to you: Everyday in the evening, think of what you did that day and package it into a story. Practice it a few times and then go out and use the "How are you opener." That goes like this: You: "How are you?" Her: "Im fine..." or whatever. Her: "How are you?" Or if she doesnt reciprocate you say playfully, "Dont you think its rude to not ask how I am after I asked how you are?" Her: "Okay, how are you?" (note: In general asking a question like this at the beginning of an interaction is dangerous. You leave yourself open for her to say flatly, "No, I dont." The key is to perform it very playfully. But there is still a chance of being burned here - just figure it into your calculations) You: "Im great. Today I went shopping...." or "I laid on the couch..." or whatever you did that day. Then the next night re-write your stories based on what you did that day and so on. You never use the same story twice and you get real good at telling stories. Remember its all on the delivery. Practice saying the most mundane, regular things in an interesting manner. Practice in front of a mirror and consider video recording yourself. Also, once you get good at performing stories you will get good at coming up with material spontaneously. This is because you will know what type of things to look for and where to go. Many guys think that they can not come up with something to talk about. But the real problem that they dont realize is that they have too many things to talk about. Getting good at performing will give you the ability to narrow these choices down and make you quicker thinking. -Juggler

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>...takes risks by >telling her first what his values >are...is daring and fearless lol (sorry >I just saw the movie Spiderman and Im >feeling very powerful...Juggler dont get >an ego) I wont. LOL Funny you should mention it but I saw Spiderman last night. Im such a geek, I was even going to wear my Spiderman shirt but forgot it in the wash. Anyway, when we got home, I slapped on the gravity boots and my girl and I tried the upside down kiss. Fun but kinda hard to keep all the saliva in your mouth. -Juggler

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Becoming a Better Talker / Post 340

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Post Date: May 7th, 2002 12:09:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
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The key to being on a conversational roll is understanding how a roll works. Two concepts here: 1. Being on a roll is alot about leading. Its hard to be on a roll when you are not the one steering the car. If you are not already, try asking fewer questions and making more statements. Be the one who introduces new topics of conversation before a subject becomes stale. And try to get others involved in conversation who are not. 2. Most people in conversation segway off of subject. That is, they relate their bits of speech to others bits based on topic. But when you are on a roll you begin to relate by tone, emotion and even rhythm. (I just spent the whole morning deliberately relating only with rhythm to one of my girlfriends. What I said had nothing to do with what she was talking about - it just fit. Hope you understand what I mean. Its difficult to describe. If you ever meet me in person I can show you how this works. Fun as hell actually. And kind of mystical. Try it sometime as an exercise.) As far as using canned material. Practise in front of a mirror. And while delivering it, periodically pause and look around as if you are searching for the right words. Do this right and you will not only appear to be speaking off the top of your head but you will also suck in her curiosity as she wonders what you are going to say next. Anyway, Im glad you are considering taking acting classes Neb. They are the best kind of class to take for PU (besides my workshop of course. lol) -Juggler

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No doubt about it, lying can help you score chicks. But it will hurt your game long term. Think of lies as in the same category as gimicks. Instead, get really good at packaging the truths about you. Once you can do that, you will be in a stronger and ultimately more satisfying place. -Juggler

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>Unfortunately, AWG, I utterly disagree >with that statement. While also >agreeing with it to some extent (it is >always good to be confident in who >you are, etc.) it simply wont be enough >for most of us. Women arent going >to respond positively to men who are >very capable of talking in a way to >make the most of their lame-ass >warehouse job, flabby belly, and 1992 >Oldsmobile station wagon. (So to speak.) The point is not that you are hyping the details of your life. AVOID TALKING ABOUT DETAILS. The point is you you are packaging your desires, personality, experiences and motivations into sellable stories, expressions, routines, etc. Having said that, if they ask, I tell them I am broke, I drive a compact car and my job provides little security. And yes I do know how to make the most of these things. Being broke becomes a NEG. Driving a little car is a chance for humor (Im tall) And my job - well it is very creative. I do exactly what you say women would not respond to D and do, what you might call fairly well with the girls. :) But returning to the subject. One of my favorite things to tell girls is about a vivid dream I had years ago which is still imprinted in my memory. I view it as a premonition. Its about how I dreamt one day I will have a small house on the beach, a lovely wife and two beautiful blonde daughters. We have fires on the beach at night and we are really happy. I really think this will be my life one day. The point is not to put the girl in a mood or any of that. I really enjoy telling people about this because it says alot about me and what I want out of life. Now, if I instead make up a story of some dream that would impress a girl or get her horny, maybe it would work to accomplish that purpose but it would not further my skill at relating what I really want, my focus in life or my alphaness. It would be a short term gain at the sacrifice of long term progress. >Rather, the art of the lie is the >act of demonstrating to her that you can >participate in a fantasy.

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First of all, there is no art to lying. Telling a fib is easy. Making the truth exciting is art. Secondly, to her you and your life might as well be a fantasy. Instead of bringing her into an unreal fantasy, you can bring her into the fantasy which is the real you. >You know >that the mind encompasses both reality >and unreality. You know that things >will always be better in the fantasy >universe, and you know how to access >that universe and make it tick for her, >give her pleasure, increase her >REAL awareness of how great life can be. >You touch her emotions, and even >if they are fantasized feelings, she >still feels them. It is much more satisfying for you to touch her emotions with the truth. >Pick up isnt about giving women what >they say they want. It isnt about >giving women what they think they want. >But it also isnt about giving >women what they actually DO want, >either. > >Its about giving women what they >respond to, and bringing about that >response that you want to bring about. Pick up is not about her. It is about YOU. It should always be about improving your skills. Lies make pick-up easier. You should be trying to make pick-up harder. Like lifting weights. >You are not a man who is required to >live his life in order to please other >people. It is not about pleasing her. It is about being able to be the real you. That is the alphaness so many guys search for. It is the ability to confidently put the real you out there. But the point is that you should be up front and real about the important stuff because that is important to YOU. You get what you ask for. The question most guys should spend much more time on - that will pay off bigger than time spent coming up with clever patterns is, "What do you really want?" When you can answer that then you will have a good base to begin from. That is where you should begin. Not, "What will get her feeling horny?". This lying thing is also a confidence issue for many guys. They dont think that their life is good enough, so they rely on lies to become interesting. They search for good material, never realizing that it is not the material, but the way it is presented that is so crucial and that they ARE interesting enough.

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Now, having said all that, there are those lies which are just plain fun. A few openers are like that. But the point is these have little or nothing to do with mis-representing yourself. You should always represent the real you. You are more than equal to the task. -Juggler

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Re: Jugglers methods regarding storytelling / Post 343

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>How do you let on that youre high >maintenance and that theyd better >treat you like a king? Im pretty direct about this. Most of the time Ill just say, "Something Ive discovered about myself is that, (pause for effect) Im high maintenance. I like back rubs, receiving love notes, breakfast in bed, that sort of stuff. I like it when girls take care of me." Funny that this should come up. Just last night my teenage girlfriend showed up at my door with a red rose in a vase and a love note. Awww, she is so thoughtful. (By the way, those taking my Denver workshop may get a chance to meet her cause shes coming out with me since we might go white water rafting later that week.) Anyway, of course, I remember telling her early on all about me being high maintenance. At the time she just shook her head, but now, during our relationship, she is providing the maintenance she knows I need. Keep in mind, telling her Im high maintenance is in no way a tactic to get her in bed. It comes from the heart. It is a way of letting her know what I want. She probably wont begin giving me a back rub right there during the sarge (although this does happen much more than it has a right to) but it is a thought that I am planting, to guide the rest of the interaction/relationship. You may want different types of behaviors from a girl. Some guys only want a girl to come over have sex and then leave. Some guys want a girl who is up for going out and picking up other girls for threesomes. The point is, whatever YOU want is what you should relate here. See girls, like all people, need something to work towards. But at the same time, they need a path to that goal. If you dont give them both then they are lost and will do random and counter productive stuff. Almost from the moment I meet a girl, I am telling her things that she can do to win my heart. One more note. One of the reasons the "Im high maintenance" thing works is because it is funny. And it is funny because it is startling. Guys just usually dont say that kind of thing - perform accordingly. -Juggler

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>HIM: (laughing) ... of course, >if you want to have wild, >crazy sex tonight, you better >find someone else. Cause I >only have a tiny chipmunk >dick! (holds up his thumb and >finger two millimeters apart). This is great but it is not really making fun of himself. It is a NEG in disguise. One of my favorite examples of this is when girls ask me what I do for a living and I tell them I am a trash collector. Of course they dont believe me and think I am lying because I dont want to get with them - thus the NEG. You can take this concept further and even give yourself a compliment at the same time you are pushing people away: "You shouldnt read my posts, they are way too effective in helping you get laid and that will turn you into an evil player dude with too many girls on your hands. I am not going to be held responsible. This is your last warning: Stop reading my posts!" >A fight breaks out in the club >between two random AFCs. (snip) >What I do is grab the nearest >HB that I dont know and >pretend to hide behind her >using her as a faux shield. I >laugh and say "You can shield >me from the flying body parts >and debris." That is just fun. I wish a fight would break out near me. My town is way too peaceful. >This is in the same context as >some of the openings that >Juggler has proposed. Things >like the belt loop opener, or >shaving cream on the face, or >crooked tie. (If I am >misrepresenting, call me on

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Re: Do YOU know how to shuffle a deck of cards? / Post 344

>it, Juggler) Never really thought about the belt loop opener in that way. Mmmmm.... maybe. -Juggler

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Why would I want to act like Im not interested ?? / Post 345

Why would I want to act like Im not interested ?? / Post 345

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There is a time to cloak interest and a time to reveal interest. Generally speaking, if you have not attracted her yet, you do not show sexual interest. But after she is attracted then you do show sexual interest. Now, you say you are an attractive guy and have a lot going for you. Good. That means that more girls are going to be attracted to you right away. If you see that then sure, show your sexual side and crank up the heat. Just keep in mind that many girls can lose interest once they know they can have you. Play hard to get appropriately. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com

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The new website is finally up. Boy are my slow typing fingers tired. The address is: www.seductionarts.com It has a workshop schedule and description, and Juggler pick-up guidelines. Check back periodically. I plan on adding additional content regularly, such as the ten guidelines being linked to their own pages, etc. If you have suggestions or find any glitches please let me know. Thanks, Juggler PS. Nebuchadnezzar, Yes now that the site is up Ill have time to write up the sex-pact close. :)

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On 5/11/02 2:56:00 PM, Zan wrote: >Seriously, though, I think I >will be in Toronto on a >business trip around the time >of your Montreal gig. I might >try to line it up. > >Or how about Vancouver or >Seattle? Come here, Juggler >LOTS of HBS and LOTS of coffee >shops. Hi Zan, It would be cool to do a Vancouver or Seattle workshop. Well have to give that some serious thought. The way I have been adding cities is once I have two guys who are confirmed (in order to cover my air fare) then I can go ahead and schedule that city. So if anybody else reading this wants to take part, or if you know of someone Zan, then we can put it on the schedule. But Montreal would also be great for you - during Jazz fest. And if you are ever in the Detroit area, thats where I live and I take guys out almost every weekend for training. -Juggler

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Re: possible epiphany / Post 348

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>I say something like, "I >wouldnt have guess we would have >connected like we are doing...at first I >thought to myself you are a stuck up >girl with attitude, but know I see >another side to you...blah blah" then >close" > >So basically: > >1) open >2) play cocky funny >3) realize she is a great girl and tell >her >4) close > > >Like a mini romantic comedy where for >half the movie they play back and forth >pissing each other off kind of and then >the next half go romanitc on each other. This is great stuff BizGuy. Knowing you I can totally see this working for you. I think you found your niche. Cant wait to see this in action next month during the SF workshop. -Juggler

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New Seduction Workshop Website / Post 349

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Hey guys, Check out the new site. It has workshop description and schedue. www.seductionarts.com -Juggler

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mirroring and matching question / Post 350

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>what should a person do if the >girl is a shy, nervous girl? >should i mirror that? I have to disagree with my good friend Alessandro. You should avoid mirroring a nervous person. You should concentrate on being as comfortable as possible. Mirroring is good for beginners of seduction. It gives guys something to do with their body that they otherwise would not know what to do with. That is a big reason why many guys think mirroring is effective. This is partly an illusion. They are simply not doing stupid random things with their body like they did before mirroring. But much more powerful is to actually learn how to use your body to communicate comfortableness, rapport and relaxation. And use this language to influence her into these states. Here is another way of looking at it: I had a girlfriend who was a serious equestrian. She was an expert at what I talk about. Horses are like girls you just meet, they read alot about you from your movements and take many of their cues from you. With a nervous horse she had a way of calming it with just her presence - her body language, tone and aura spoke of calm confidence. Thats the vibe you need to give off. People really are like horses. Lead them. Approach a nervous girl even more calmly and casually then your normal approach. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com

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Re: A Risky Experiment: Being My Self / Post 351

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>I just think that if you are >as successful as you claim, >there might be more going on >here than using the tools we >have (ie, tall, muscular, >etc.). It would seem you have >some more external assett the >women are drawn to and then >you mobilize your skills. Yes Styles/CP is tall, muscular and drives a Ferrari. hahahahhahahah! Traveler, you dont know how funny that is. But not to NEG him too much, he does know how to dress. Styles is an accurate moniker. You still wearing those big heeled shoes CP? -Juggler www.seductionarts.com

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I need help / Post 352

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Its cool not to go to college. Everybody goes to college. Freaking boring. Be proud you didnt. I didnt! Tell them straight out with a gleam in your eyes. Her: "What college did you go to?" You: "I didnt go to college." Here is where you think in your mind that she is thinking: What a lamer. How successful can this guy be if he didnt even graduate from college. But in fact she will be thinking: Cool, I bet he is artistic and free thinking, his own man. I got to find out more.) Now, as far as being laid off. Dont say, "Im laid off" Instead say flatly, "Im unemployed." That is a bit of a NEG on her. She will think: If he is so proud of being unemployed, he must have beautiful women trying to get with him all the time and he is saying this cause I dont impress him. I better work harder to get him to like me. Whenever you go out keep in mind I tell girls I have no money and no real job (or I tell them I am a trash collector) Ill be there on your shoulder - do us underachievers proud. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com

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Jugglers New Website / Post 353

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On 5/14/02 8:05:00 PM, Fr8train wrote: >What would it cost for a >weekend workshop in Detroit >sometime this summer, I live >by Minneapolis, MN and that >would be closer than your >other workshops. Hey Fr8train, Tried to send you an email using the address you post with about this but it bounced back. Send me an email and Ill give you the scoop on one on one rates and available dates. -Juggler

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FB issues / Post 354

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Your instincts are correct. It is an out of balance power issue. You always having to ask her to come over and you having to work around HER schedule is putting you in a weakened position. If you sometimes went to your place and sometimes hers and she didnt have a zillion activities in her life then the situation would be more balanced. You need to create balance. Try rephrasing your requests for her presence. Make it about her needs but your schedule. For instance say to her, "Im free Thursday after 7. Come over and Ill do that thing you always like with my tongue and the feather." At the the same time encourage her to call you and and ask herself over to please your needs. Say, "Its alright to call me up and ask to come over. Anytime, so long as you are bringing some massage oil or my favorite icecream." Here it is allowed to be about her schedule so long as it is about your needs. See, its all balanced. About time issues... Funny, but my primary and I were just lying in bed this morning discussing how we are going to fit our time together into our lives. She is also a very busy girl, only 19 and lives with her parents. In our case, she feels she has been neglecting important aspects of her life to spend time with me. And I agree. I want her to keep her focus. So we worked out a schedule. We wont see quite as much of each other during the day, but most nights she will still be able to curl up in bed with me at 1 am after she finishes her practice. So I know this is just a your FB but consider maybe working out a consistent schedule that works for both of you. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com

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What if she says / Post 355

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I didnt read your field report but it doesnt sound too bad. She knows that next time you get together there will be sex. Just be sure to make the next meeting at your place. Rent a movie or invite her to see your coin collection or something. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com

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If u can answere or give good advice;im impressed! / Post 356

If u can answere or give good advice;im impressed! / Post 356

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On 5/15/02 8:17:00 PM, pimpwisely wrote: (snip) >Is it possible that there is >or are ways of getting her to >trust me in keeping things jus >between us and not letting >anyone else in on the good >stuff???? >And if so..HOW!?????? I would not go that route. Too suplicating. Too boring. Instead, show her that you are a guy who enjoys talking about his life and whats on his mind. Sometimes you need advice. Sometimes you need support. You would never just gossip purely about her, but if it concerns you and one of YOUR relationships then you have every right to chat with your friends about it. Have the attitude that, sure you need to make a better choice in friends, but she should accept that you need to talk about the things that are happening to you with your buds from time to time. But then again, Ive been out of highschool a long time. Maybe its impossible to keep any secrets there. In that case, confide in your mates that you have a problem giving your girl so many orgasms that she passes out. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com

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Misc Commentary & FR / Post 357

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I have been seduced by girls, who I would not ordinarily consider, based on what they said. One in particular was describing the sky and weather in Montana. Dont remember who she was, but she could have had anything from me at that moment. If she had only known. And while talking to our very own five683 on the phone I was very seduced by her voice alone. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com

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replying to girlfriends question / Post 358

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Use a variation of the girlfriend test. You should be able to do a search and find it. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com

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Massage / Post 359

Massage / Post 359

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Giving a massage can be an effective step toward sex. But even better is getting her to give YOU a massage. You can set this up so that it is a massage trade. Just make sure you get yours first. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com

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Bitch Shields / Post 360

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>Immediately, the UG >of the group was giving me bad >looks like I cant believe >this guy actually just said >that. The 2 HBs responded >pretty well but I felt thrown >off because of the UGs >negative reaction. I said to >her Its OK youre allowed to >smile but this seemed to have >no effect. > >Should have I just continued >ignoring the UG? In this case I think so. >Besides this >specific case, how do you guys >go about circumventing bitch >shields? Does it come down to >mere persistence? Yes, sometimes it is persistence. Also, be very aware of not coming across like you are trying too hard. That is the flip side of persistence. You must make your target want you to talk more, want you to be there. Believe it or not, this is mostly a timing issue. -Juggler

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The Jaw-Dropping Juggler Archive v2.0 from Fast Seduction 101 . . Background . . . . . . . . . . . . Older women and their stupid mentalities / Post 301 . . be sexual! / Post 302 . . . . . . . . . . Re: THE WALK!! / Post 305 . . . . . . . . Older women and their stupid mentalities / Post 306 . . or something / Post 307 . . . . . . . . . Hitting brick wall with HB9.5 / Post 308 . . . . . Feedback wanted on HB from my class / Post 309 . . . Eliciting values vs. I am the prize / Post 310 . . . . Eliciting values vs. I am the prize / Post 311 . . . . closing while teaching seduction / Post 313 . . . . Need phone technique refinement.. / Post 315 . . . . New Approach(the tag approach) / Post 316 . . . . Re: Need phone technique refinement.. / Post 317 . . . Seducer On/Off / Post 318 . . . . . . . . phone techniques / Post 319 . . . . . . . . knowing how fast to lead / Post 320 . . . . . . Eye Contact - Body Language / Post 321 . . . . . Ok, I have been lurking afew days... / Post 322 . . . Re: Seducer On/Off / Post 323 . . . . . . . she says she has to go find her friends.. / Post 324 . . Re: Seducer On/Off / Post 325 . . . . . . . Belt loop opener / Post 326 . . . . . . . . Alpha Transformation 2 / Post 327 . . . . . . Re: Alpha Transformation 2 / Post 328 . . . . . Re: Ross On Walk-ups.... / Post 329 . . . . . . Ross On Walk-ups.... / Post 330 . . . . . . . Ross On Walkups, Part II / Post 331 . . . . . . Celebrity Pickups / Post 332 . . . . . . . . Street Approaches (alot of questions.) / Post 333 . . . Phone games / Post 334 . . . . . . . . . Newbie Field Test: The Belt Loop Opener / Post 335 . . Jugglers Workshop & my position / Post 336 . . . . Hey Juggler / Post 337 . . . . . . . . . Jugglers methods regarding storytelling / Post 338 . . Jugglers methods regarding storytelling / Post 339 . . Becoming a Better Talker / Post 340 . . . . . . The art of the lie / Post 341 . . . . . . . . Re: The art of the lie / Post 342 . . . . . . . Re: Jugglers methods regarding storytelling / Post 343 . Re: Do YOU know how to shuffle a deck of cards? / Post 344 Why would I want to act like Im not interested ?? / Post 345 Jugglers New Website / Post 346 . . . . . . . Jugglers New Website / Post 347 . . . . . . . Re: possible epiphany / Post 348 . . . . . . . New Seduction Workshop Website / Post 349 . . . . mirroring and matching question / Post 350 . . . . Re: A Risky Experiment: Being My Self / Post 351 . . . I need help / Post 352 . . . . . . . . . Jugglers New Website / Post 353 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 3 4 5 7 9 10 11 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 23 24 25 26 28 29 30 31 32 34 35 36 41 48 49 51 52 53 55 56 58 59 60 61 64 66 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76

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FB issues / Post 354 . . . . . . . . . . What if she says / Post 355 . . . . . . . . If u can answere or give good advice;im impressed! / Post 356 Misc Commentary & FR / Post 357 . . . . . . . replying to girlfriends question / Post 358 . . . . . Massage / Post 359 . . . . . . . . . . Bitch Shields / Post 360 . . . . . . . . . DISCLAIMER . . . . . . . . . . . .

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