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Yunhyeong Kim

: : : : : Haijun Liu [haijun.liu@etap.com] 2012 8 27 11:32 'Yunhyeong Kim' ''; ''; ''; ''; ''; '' RE: [ETAP] Request teleconference for analyzing calculation result.

DearKim: Aslongasyoumakesureapersonstandardsaroundtheequipmentdoesnotexposetomorethantolerabletouch voltagethedesignwillbeok.

Sincerely,

Haijun Liu, PhD, PE


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From: Yunhyeong Kim [mailto:yh1087.kim@samsung.com] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 7:51 AM To: Haijun Liu Cc: ''; ''; ''; ''; ''; '' Subject: [ETAP] Request teleconference for analyzing calculation result. Dear Mr. Liu, We calculated touch voltage include the electrical equipment as per your recommendation. But result disposition is different with your calculation.

Modeling file also attached for your checking. In my opinion, this area is safe. Because area where electrical equipment is installed is safe, and area where the touch voltage is high is a region where a structure will not be dissipating the current into ground. Concerning the result of earthing calculation, we would like to have a teleconference meeting tomorrow at the time as below. Agenda : 1. Analyzing calculation result and confirming safety. 2. Reason of high touch voltage at the area between earth grid and electrical equipment. 3. Discussing technical solution if our design is un-safe.

Time : 2012-08-28 08:00 a.m. (pacific time) 2012-08-28 07:00 p.m. (Abu-Dhabi) Please confirm your availability for the same. Thanks and regards Yunhyeong Kim (Electrical Engineer) Electrical & Control System Engineering Dept.2 SAMSUNG ENGINEERING Co., Ltd. Office: +971-2-895-6119 Mobile : +971-50-773-9736
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From: Haijun Liu [mailto:haijun.liu@etap.com] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 4:46 AM To: 'Yunhyeong Kim' Cc: ''; ''; ''; ''; ''; '' Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation

DearMr.Kim: Youshouldaddsomebareconductors(suchasasquire)torepresenttheequipment.

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Haijun Liu, PhD, PE


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From: Yunhyeong Kim [mailto:yh1087.kim@samsung.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:02 PM To: Haijun Liu Cc: ''; ''; ''; ''; ''; '' Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation
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Dear Mr. Liu, Thanks for your response. I tried to calculate as per your suggestion below.

Additional conductor and rod

But ETAP still does not indicate the touch & step voltage at the area of installed PVC wire and additional rod.

Additional conductor and rod is not indicated

Step & touch voltage is less than tolerable voltage. And step & touch voltage has been lower since adding conductor and rod. Is it possible to understand that electrical equipment which is connected by PVC insulated wire is safe from touch voltage?
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I attached the modeling file for reference. Thank you very much and best regards, Yunhyeong Kim (Electrical Engineer) Electrical & Control System Engineering Dept.2 SAMSUNG ENGINEERING Co., Ltd. Office: +971-2-895-6119 Mobile : +971-50-773-9736
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From: Haijun Liu [mailto:haijun.liu@etap.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:22 PM To: 'Yunhyeong Kim' Cc: ''; ''; ''; ''; ''; '' Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation

DearMr.Kim: Sincetheequipmentisconnectedtothegrid,itcouldexposetotheGPR.Iftheequipmentisnotinsulatedandcould beexposedtohumantouching,thetouchvoltageshouldbeconsidered.Onesuggestionistoaddconductorsand rodstorepresenttheequipment.Inthisway,ETAPwillincludetheequipmentinthecalculation. Anotherthoughttomeisnottheconnecttheequipmenttothegrid.Usuallyoutdoorlightingpolesshouldbe insultedanddonotneedtobeconnectedtoagroundgrid.

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Haijun Liu, PhD, PE


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From: Yunhyeong Kim [mailto:yh1087.kim@samsung.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 7:07 AM To: Haijun Liu Cc: ''; ''; ''; ''; ''; '' Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation

Dear Mr. Liu, Thanks for your valuable response. We are making progress in trying to convince our client but one doubt remains. Please see the sketch below, it is almost identical with the one that we had sent to you earlier; in this case we consider electrical metallic equipment next to a person. In the case below, the equipment is connected by PVC insulated wire to the earthing grid only. Do we have to verify the touch voltage for this equipment or metallic structure? If that is the case how to verify safety from touch voltage by using ETAP? PVC insulated wire is just considered as a conductor, but is not considered source of current dissipation by ETAP. Boundary extended length may not be solution for verifying touch potential to the equipment as shown below.

Thank you very much & best regards,


Yunhyeong Kim (Electrical Engineer) Electrical & Control System Engineering Dept.2 SAMSUNG ENGINEERING Co., Ltd. Office: +971-2-895-6119 Mobile : +971-50-773-9736
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From: Haijun Liu [mailto:haijun.liu@etap.com] Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:40 PM To: 'Yunhyeong Kim'

Cc: ''; ''; ''; ''; ''; '' Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation

DearMr.Kim: Pleaserefertotheattachedfortouchvoltagedefinition. ForaPVCinsulatedwire,ETAPtreatsitasaelectricconductorbutitdoesnotdissipatecurrentintoground.

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Haijun Liu, PhD, PE


Principal Electrical Engineer

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From: Yunhyeong Kim [mailto:yh1087.kim@samsung.com] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:47 AM To: Haijun Liu Cc: ''; ''; ''; ''; ''; '' Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation Dear Mr. Liu, Thanks for your response. Could you provide the screen capture file about limitation of touch potential? We dont have IEEE80 due to the site condition. In addition, is it possible to understand that touch potential does not need to be considered at the area of grounded structure which is connected by PVC insulated wire. Because ETAP does not consider PVC insulated wire when calculate step & touch potential.
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Yunhyeong Kim (Electrical Engineer) Electrical & Control System Engineering Dept.2 SAMSUNG ENGINEERING Co., Ltd. Office: +971-2-895-6119 Mobile : +971-50-773-9736
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From: Haijun Liu [mailto:haijun.liu@etap.com] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:13 AM To: 'Yunhyeong Kim' Cc: ''; ''; ''; ''; ''; '' Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation

DearMr.Kim: PleaserefertoIEEEStd80fordefinitionandlimitationoftouchpotential. Thereisnoglobaldefinitionforsafety.Itdependsonengineerjudgmentandorganizationpractice.Formy understandingaslongasahumandoesnotexposetothelimitedtouchpotentialitshouldbesafe.

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From: Yunhyeong Kim [mailto:yh1087.kim@samsung.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:05 AM To: Haijun Liu Cc: ''; ''; ''; ''; ''; '' Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation Dear Mr. Liu, Thanks for your valuable response. Could you inform us why the touch potential does not need to be considered? Please provide technical reasons for answer number 2. Once getting approval from our client, we shall provide technical reasons to them. Best regards, Yunhyeong Kim (Electrical Engineer) Electrical & Control System Engineering Dept.2 SAMSUNG ENGINEERING Co., Ltd. Office: +971-2-895-6119 Mobile : +971-50-773-9736
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From: Haijun Liu [mailto:haijun.liu@etap.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:54 PM To: 'Yunhyeong Kim' Cc: ''; ''; ''; ''; ''; '' Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation

DearMr.Kim: Regardingyourquestions: 1.Yes,itreferstocase1only. 2.Yes,thisshouldbeok.Iassumethatthe70sqmmbarecopperconductorsareburiedunderground.Pleasemake suresteppotentialaroundthe70sqmmbarecopperconductorsaregood.

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Haijun Liu, PhD, PE


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From: Yunhyeong Kim [mailto:yh1087.kim@samsung.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:49 AM To: Haijun Liu Cc: ''; ''; ''; ''; ''; '' Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation Dear Mr. Liu, Thanks for your cooperations. We intend to finalize the selection of boundary extension. So please answer to below 2 questions. 1. Could you please inform us what is an accurate meaning for "boundary extension for touch potential" ? We have represented 2 cases below. Is it matching to case 1? case 2? or both?

Our understanding is that using boudary extension refers to case 1 only. 2. We sketched conceptual earthing system as follows; We shall calculate step & touch potential for in-between earthing grid areas as per our client request.

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But we divided the entire calculation into 17 calculations for performing calculation of 2 earthing grids only. Because we cannot calculate entirely plant because huge data processing is required. If we use 0m boundary extend, ETAP calculates the area limited as blue line below. Is it possible to verify that all in-between grids areas are safe from touch potential with earthing calculation using 0m boundary?

We would appreciate your support in understanding precisely this matter, in order to proceed forward. Thanks in advance Best regards Yunhyeong Kim (Electrical Engineer) Electrical & Control System Engineering Dept.2 SAMSUNG ENGINEERING Co., Ltd. Office: +971-2-895-6119 Mobile : +971-50-773-9736
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From: Haijun Liu [mailto:haijun.liu@etap.com] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:44 PM To: 'Yunhyeong Kim' Cc: ''; ; Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation

DearMr.Kim:
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ThebestreferenceistheIEEEStd80. Isthepiperackconnectedtothegroundgrid?Ifitis,thiscouldbeaproblembecauseitwillhavethesameGPRas thegrid.Otherwisethereisnodifferenceforapersonstandsonthesurfacecoveringthepiperack.

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Haijun Liu, PhD, PE


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From: Yunhyeong Kim [mailto:yh1087.kim@samsung.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:52 AM To: Haijun Liu Cc: ''; ; Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation Dear Mr. Liu, Thanks for your cooperation. Could you give me some technical basis of your response? (e.g. Some equations, Reference code and standard, or theoretical explanations) Our client still want to know why piperack is not need to be considered. If attached earthing calculation is correct, most dangerous area is outside of earthing grid where the piperack or another grounded structures are installed. Because touch voltage is the potential difference between the GPR and surface potential at the point where a person is standing while at the same time having a hand in contact with a grounded structure. They think grounded structure means all structure(e.g. pipe rack, tank, vessel) which is installed on the ground. All earthing grids in the site are connected to make one large earthing grid. And all grounded structure connected to earthing system. This is not only for the substations.
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Im sorry for difficult question. Thanks & Best regards, Yunhyeong Kim (Electrical Engineer) Electrical & Control System Engineering Dept.2 SAMSUNG ENGINEERING Co., Ltd. Office: +971-2-895-6119 Mobile : +971-50-773-9736
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From: Haijun Liu [mailto:haijun.liu@etap.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:47 PM To: 'Yunhyeong Kim' Cc: ''; 'Harris Melvin (External)' Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation

DearKim: Yes,youmayhave30masboundaryextensionforbothstepandtouchvoltagecalculation.Forthehighertouch potentialissue,justmakesureahumanstandatthepointswon'tbeabletotouchanequipmentinthesubstation oranythingconnectedtothegrid.Itisnotnecessarilytohaveaphysicalprotectivedevicesuchasafence.Cana personstandtheretotouchanequipmentinthesubstationwithhis/herarm(orwithastick)?

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Haijun Liu, PhD, PE


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From: Yunhyeong Kim [mailto:yh1087.kim@samsung.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:55 AM To: Haijun Liu Cc: ''; 'Harris Melvin (External)' Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation Dear Mr. Liu, Thanks for your response. But please response after considering following conditions; Our client want to verify safety of all plant area not only substations. Because IEEE80 explain that touch potential is the potential difference between the ground potential rise (GPR) and the surface potential at the point where a person is standing while at the same time having a hand in contact with a grounded structure. But we cannot physically protect for all structure in the plant (e.g. pipe rack). We cannot calculate entirely plant because huge data processing is required. So we divided the entire calculation into 17 calculations for performing calculation of 2 earthing grid only. I inputted 30m boundary extension limit as step potential calculation and 0m boundary extension limit as touch potential. But our client doesnt want different input data between touch potential and step potential. So I need verify that this input data is correct. I attached example calculation which is using 30m extention boundary limit for reference. As per this result most dangerous area is 30m far from substation earthing grid perimeter. But most dangerous area shall be inside of substation earthing grid. Because any electrical equipment shall not be installed outside of substation rectangular earthing grid. Only small lighting panel shall be installed in outside of earthing grid. So please advise the specific input data of boundary extension limit without considering physical protection. And if some condition is wrong, please do not hesitate to advise it. Best regards, Yunhyeong Kim (Electrical Engineer) Electrical & Control System Engineering Dept.2 SAMSUNG ENGINEERING Co., Ltd. Office: +971-2-895-6119 Mobile : +971-50-773-9736
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From: Haijun Liu [mailto:haijun.liu@etap.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:58 AM To: '???'; 'Yunhyeong Kim' Cc: '' Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation

DearMr.Kim:
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Boundaryextensionisnotnecessary,ifoutsideoftherectangularareaisprotectedphysicallyasstatedinmy previousemail.

Sincerely,

Haijun Liu, PhD, PE


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From: [mailto:kimyh187@naver.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:23 PM To: ; Haijun Liu; 'Yunhyeong Kim' Cc: '' Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation

Dear Mr. Liu,

Your valuable response is highly required. If I incorrect, please recommend the correct input data of boundary extension limit for touch potential.

Best regards,

kimyh187 .

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-----Original Message----From: ""<kimyh187@naver.com> To: "Haijun Liu"<haijun.liu@etap.com>; "'Yunhyeong Kim'"<yh1087.kim@samsung.com>; Cc: "''"<etap@esds.co.kr>; Sent: 2012-07-18 () 02:48:12 Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation Dear Mr. Liu,

Yes. You right, Pipe racks shall be installed some in-between grid areas. But, my question is that boundary extention limit is required or not in case of touch potential calculation. As I know GPR is locally generated, but ETAP considered GPR is generated entirely in the calculated area. Any electrical equipment will be installed outside the grid area or in-between grid area. Hence in my opinion, 0m boundary extention limit shall be considered for touch potential calculation. Please advise it.

Best regards,

kimyh187 .

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DearMr.Kim:

Yes,youneedmakesurethattouchpotentialsintheareasthatarenotphysicallyprotectedareinthetolerable limit.Youmaylookattheplotsorreports.

Sincerely,

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From: Yunhyeong Kim [mailto:yh1087.kim@samsung.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:56 AM To: Haijun Liu Cc: ''; kimyh187@naver.com Subject: FW: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation

Dear Mr. Liu,

My response can be answer your 2 emails. Please reply after considering our situations. And please include my private email address. <kimyh187@naver.com>

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Many thanks for your prompt response.

Best regards, Yunhyeong Kim (Electrical Engineer) Electrical & Control System Engineering Dept.2 SAMSUNG ENGINEERING Co., Ltd. Office: +971-2-895-6119 Mobile : +971-50-773-9736
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From: Yunhyeong Kim [mailto:yh1087.kim@samsung.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:52 PM To: 'Haijun Liu' Cc: '' Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation

Dear Mr. Liu,

Each earthing grid covers the hole substation and transformers. Moreover substation is building type and outdoor transformers are protected by fence. But two interconnecting wire shall be installed in-between all the substations or process units earthing grid. Please refer to earthing block diagram. So we need to verify that this interconnecting area is safe. That area is not inside the substations. Hence, we cannot install the fence for this area. Please refer to attached modeling file. So I want to get your confirmation boundary extention limit shall not be used to calculate touch potential for not only inside the substation but also normal field area.

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From: Haijun Liu [mailto:haijun.liu@etap.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:20 PM To: 'Yunhyeong Kim' Cc: '' Subject: RE: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation

DearYunhyeongKim:

Yes,youonlyneedtomakesure: 1.Thetouchandsteppotentialsinsidethegridareabothmeetthetolerablepotentialrequirements. 2.Thesteppotentialoutsidethegridareameetsthetolerablepotentialrequirement. 3.Thehighertouchpotentialoutsidethegridshouldbeprotectedbyaphysicalmethodsuchasafence.Notethatif thereisequipmentoutsidethegridarea,thegridneedstobeextended.

Doesyourgridcoverthewholesubstation?Isthereafencesurroundthesubstation?

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Haijun Liu, PhD, PE


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From: Yunhyeong Kim [mailto:yh1087.kim@samsung.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:55 AM To: Haijun Liu Cc: '' Subject: [ETAP] Question about boundary extension limit for earthing calculation

Dear Mr. Liu,

Many Thanks for your supporting. Previosly I requested to technical support to you regarding the boundary extension limit for earthing calculation. To summarize history, we calculated step & touch potential for in-between earthing grid area from client request. But if we input the boundary extension limit, touch potential getting bigger when it is far away from the grid perimeter. So we requested your recommendation and you replied as below email. And I inputed 30m boundary extension limit as step potential calculation and 0m boundary extension limit as touch potential from your recommendation. Because difference between calculated touch potential and actual potential getting bigger when it is far away from the substation. But our client cannot understand why input data is different between step potential and touch potential. So, please confirm that our input data which are 30m for step potential and 0m for touch potential is acceptable. If it is not acceptable, please recommend the specific input data of boundary extension limit for each calculation. Please refer to linked ETAP modeling file for your reference. 21

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We need your response urgently. If you have any clarification, please do not hesitate to contact to my mobile number (+971-50-773-9736)

Thank you very much & best regards,

Yunhyeong Kim (Electrical Engineer) Electrical & Control System Engineering Dept.2 SAMSUNG ENGINEERING Co., Ltd. Office: +971-2-895-6119
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Thanks for contacting ETAP technical support.

In ETAP FEM, Boundary Extension is provided so that users can investigate the step and touch potentials outside the grid. It is always true that the highest touch potential is around the grid perimeter and touch potential will be even higher outside the grid. This is because the touch potential is the potential between a person's feet and arms (GPR) when he/she touches equipments in the substation. The difference is getting bigger since the actual potential getting lower (until reach to 0) when it is far away from the substation.

The unacceptable touch potential outside the grid usually is not solved by enhancing the grid. It should be physically (such as with a fence) protected from human exposing to this high touch potential. This means that a human won't be able to touch equipments in the substation when he/she is standing outside the grid. Note that the step potential outside of the grid needs to be in the required limit.

If you need further assistance on this issue please feel free to contact me.

Haijun Liu ETAP Technical Support

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