Minutes as forwarded to PCAC members for review, no corrections received, final minutes Minutes of the June 27, 2007 meeting

of the Plumbing Code Advisory Committee (PCAC) The meeting was called to order at 8:30 a.m., on June 27, 2007, at the Department of Labor and Industry, St. Paul, Minnesota. Present were: Larry Justin, Jim Gander, Dan Hauck, John Parizek, Loren Kohnen, and Brian Noma Staff Present: Randy Ellingboe, Cathy Tran, and Wendy Legge Moderator: Charlie Petersen, Management Consultant, Minnesota Department of Administration Agenda for the meeting: 1. 2. 3. 4. Introductions Legislation update, Randy Ellingboe Minutes of May 23, 2007, meeting Requests for Action (RFA) 1. Revisit air admittance valve issue (tabled at May 23, 2007 meeting). 2. Revisit PCAC approved RFA from November meeting, CPVC for water distribution, Mr. Mike Lipke, Piping Systems Consultant, Noveon, Inc., 3. Cast iron soil pipe, i. Mr. Alan Thomas, Cast Iron Soil Pipe Institute ii. Mr. Michael Benson, Mechanical Marketing Agents (ASTM A888) 5. DLI proposed rule revisions 1. 4715.2800 – inspections 2. Other 6. Outstanding Requests for Action – briefing 1. Vista-Clear 2. Siphonic roof drains 3. E-1 systems 4. CPVC 5. IPEX 6. Froet roof drains 7. Reactions to PCAC process, suggestions for improvement

Introduction and Updates After introductions, and discussion of the agenda, there was a legislative update given by Randy Ellingboe for the final 2007 legislation as follows: 1. Final CCLD Consolidation 2007 Session Laws, Chapter 140 2. Plumbing Board- Authoritative Plumbing Board created for establishing Plumbing Code, interpretations, amendments, licensing, and rule making.

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Minutes as forwarded to PCAC members for review, no corrections received, final minutes 3. Statewide licensing- Requiring restricted master and journeyman licenses statewide. 4. Air admittance valves- will be prohibited by state statute, effective December 1, 2007. 5. Water-free urinals- will be prohibited by state statute, effective December 1, 2007.

Minutes of May 23, 2007, meeting The Minutes of the May 23, 2007 meeting were reviewed. A motion was made to approve the corrected minutes as suggested by Larry Justin, and approved by unanimous voice vote. Requests for Action (RFA):

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Revisit air admittance valves (AAVs) There was a presentation at the May 23, 2007, meeting of the PCAC on air admittance valves (AAVs), with a request to consider amending the Minnesota Plumbing Code to allow the use of AAVs complying with American Society of Sanitary Engineers (ASSE) standards 1050 and 1051. Consideration of the request was tabled at the May 23rd meeting due to pending legislation that would prohibit installation of AAVs and create a Plumbing Board. Randy Ellingboe updated members on actions of the 2007 Minnesota legislature, which recently passed the legislation to prohibit AAVs. The AAV advocates had expressed interests in presenting information about AAVs to the new Plumbing Board at the earliest opportunity. DLI staff Wendy Legge commented that the prohibition of AAVs is in statute and not rule, so the Plumbing Board will not have authority to accept AAVs. Motion: A motion was made and seconded that no action be taken by the PCAC on the request to amend the Minnesota Plumbing Code to allow AAVs since the Minnesota Legislature passed a law to prohibit them. The motion was unanimously approved on a voice vote.

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Revisit PCAC approved RFA from November meeting, CPVC for water distribution, Mr. Mike Lipke, Piping Systems Consultant, Noveon, Inc., Mr. Mike Lipke updated PCAC members that Noveon now has data available for the required testing of CPVC for water distribution, to verify compliance with the requirement of the Minnesota Plumbing Code (Minnesota Rule part 4715.0420), as described below:

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Minutes as forwarded to PCAC members for review, no corrections received, final minutes “…chlorinated polyvinyl chloride (CPVC) pipe together with fittings must be tested by the manufacturer at 150 psi and 210 degrees Fahrenheit for a period of not less than 48 hours by a qualified independent testing laboratory acceptable to the administrative authority. Cross-linked polyethylene (PEX) tubing systems together with approved fittings must be tested at 150 psi and 210 degrees Fahrenheit for a period of not less than 30 days by a qualified independent testing laboratory acceptable to the administrative authority.” Action: Manufacturer will submit testing data to staff for review and if acceptable, staff will draft language as required to amend the Minnesota Plumbing Code to add CPVC material as approved at the November 28, 2006, meeting of the PCAC. c. Cast iron soil pipe i. Presenter: Mr. Alan Thomas, Cast Iron Soil Pipe Institute Mr. Thomas presented current Cast Iron Soil Institute (CISPI) Pipe Standard, CISPI Standards 301-05, and the coupling specification used in connection with hubless cast iron soil piping and fittings, CISPI Standards 310-04. The addition of CISPI Standards 310-04 to the Minnesota Plumbing Code is proposed to reflect the most current standard on mechanical joints in hubless cast iron. Motion: A Motion was made to include the updated CISPI Standards as requested and the installation guide included for the revisions to the Plumbing Code. ii. Presenter: Mr. Michael Benson, Mechanical Marketing Agents Mr. Benson presented the following standards in his request to standardize all cast iron DWV pipe, fittings, & couplings using ASTM specifications: • • • • • ASTM A74, Standard for Cast Iron Soil Pipe and Fittings ASTM A888, Standard for hubless cast iron soil pipe and fittings ASTM C1277, Standard for Shielded Couplings Joining Hubless Cast Iron Soil Pipe and Fittings. ASTM C1540, Standard for Heavy Duty Shielded Couplings Joining Hubless Cast Iron Soil Pipe and Fittings. ASTM C1460, Standard for Shielded Transition Couplings for Use with Dissimilar DWV Piping and Fittings Above Ground

Mr. Benson also proposed to removal of CISPI Standard 301-69 from the Minnesota Plumbing Code and adding additional language requiring thirdparty testing of pipe, fittings, and labeling according to the latest revisions of the standards.

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Minutes as forwarded to PCAC members for review, no corrections received, final minutes DLI staff noted that deleting an existing code approved standard from the Minnesota Plumbing Code will affect the existing plumbing systems and advised against the proposal to delete other standards that are currently approved in the code. Motion: A motion was made to have staff review language of both Cast Iron Soil Pipe Standards and third-party testing agencies and present that language to the Plumbing Board at a future date. Motion was seconded. This motion was amended as follows: Combined Motion: To have staff review the proposed languages and propose revised languages to the new Plumbing Board, and eliminate language relating to a specific agency and include an accredited agency. The motion was passed, on a unanimous voice vote and a unanimous written vote of 6 in favor to accept the motion as amended.

DLI Proposed rule revisions Discussions continued from the previous May 23, 2007, PCAC meeting on the draft of the proposed change to Minnesota Rules, part 4715.2800, regarding inspections and permits. Randy Ellingboe updated members on the email from the proposed language on 4715.2800 that was previously sent out for comments and associated feedbacks received from various members. There were discussions about testing, inspections, and exemptions as it relates to the proposed language on 4715.2800. A motion was made to approve the proposed language on 4715.2800, subpart 3, as amended below: Subpart 3. Exceptions to inspection, testing, and permits. (a) Unless the plumbing work requires approval of a plan under part 4715.3130, the administrative authority may waive plumbing permit, inspection, and testing requirements but not the licensing requirements, for the following plumbing work in a single family home: 1. The reconnection of an existing water supply line to a replacement appliance that does not involve the replacement or alteration of the existing water supply line (e.g., refrigerators with water connection, water coolers, water conditioning equipment, etc.) 2. Replacement of the internal working components of existing water closets, faucets and valves. 3. Replacement of sink faucets when the work does not include alterations to the existing plumbing piping systems. 4. Replacement or resetting of water closets when the work does not include alterations to the existing plumbing piping systems.

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(b) The administrative authority may waive testing requirements for plumbing work that does not include any addition to, replacement, alteration, or relocation of any water supply, drainage, or vent piping. This motion was passed on a voice vote. Further discussions were held and questions raised in regard to the proposed language of Minnesota Rules, part 4715.2800, subpart 2, leading into Minnesota Rules, part 4715.2810, Notifications, as it relates to the requirement of 24 hour advance notice. There was a question about what the specific language of “before put into use” means in reference to inspections as proposed below: Subpart 2. Inspection and testing required. Except as provided in subpart 3, any person who installs a new plumbing system or who alters, extends, or repairs an existing system shall ensure that the new system or portion of the existing system that has been altered, extended or repaired has passed a final inspection and test before it is put into use. The proper administrative authority shall perform the final inspection and shall witness the test. The plumbing shall pass the inspection if it complies with the requirements of this code, the requirements of any permit, and the requirements of any plan approved under part 4715.3130. Testing shall comply with part 4715.2820. The final motion was to have staff review Minnesota Rules, part 4715.2800, subpart 2, and propose new language for installation of plumbing repairs or alterations that would include the following requirements in relation to Minnesota Rules, part 4715.2810 at the same time: 1. 2. 3. requirement for installation to meet Code required call for inspections have administrative authority witness tests

This motion passed on a voice vote. Outstanding Requests for Actions-briefing Randy Ellingboe briefed members on the status of the Requests for Action that were presented to the Committee at earlier meetings, that needed additional staff review. The following outstanding items will be referred to the new plumbing board for action: 1. Vista-Clear: Awaiting additional information on FDA products in relations to plumbing system. Staff will have to do more work. Will be referred for new plumbing board for action 2. Siphonic roof drains:

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Minutes as forwarded to PCAC members for review, no corrections received, final minutes The department had received additional information from John Rattenbury. Staff will review and the information will be referred to the new plumbing board for further action 3. E-1 systems. Awaiting additional information from requester. Will be referred to the new plumbing board for action 4. CPVC: Awaiting for final temperature and pressure test report for water distribution from requester. Will be referred to the new plumbing board for action 5. IPEX Staff was handed a letter from the manufacture of IPEX regarding information testing of temperature and pressure for water distribution during the meeting. Staff will review test. Will be referred to the new plumbing board for action 6. Froet roof drains. Staff still needs to review with Building Code prior to drafting language. Will be referred to the new plumbing board for final review. Reactions to PCAC process, suggestions for improvement. Things members liked about process: 1. Statement of Needs and Reasonableness (SONAR) attached to Requests For Action (RFA). 2. Moderator directing comments, drafting motions, directing flow 3. Agenda on web and in advance of meeting (available to public) 4. Audio/visual equipment used for projecting agenda, proposals, etc. Things members didn’t like: 1. Imcomplete Requests For Action where the goal or point of the review was unclear 2. The meeting room is too noisy and views are obstructed Things the members would like to see: 1. RFAs sent in electronic format, and be available with the agenda 2. Create subcommittees to review proposed rule language changes 3. More time for review of information on RFAs sent out in advance (2 weeks is not enough time) 4. Requestors not able to present to the board unless request/data is complete

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Minutes as forwarded to PCAC members for review, no corrections received, final minutes Motion made and seconded for adjournment, made and seconded. This motion passed on a voice vote

Respectfully Submitted,

James H. Peterson, Secretary Plumbing Code Advisory Committee

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