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Transcript*Time* 09:45 Real*Time*June*17 ,* 2008,*11:33 * pm

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D

-- I asked him not to send me to

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State. And, uh, he’s gonna recommend that, uh, I do a County lid. Ah –

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and, uh –

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S

Does he have – is she gonna press charges? Or, you know,

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gonna cooperate and all that?

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D

You know what, dude? It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t fucking

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matter. It – I’m telling you, dude. The fucking man-haters of the world,

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uh, have put – put this shit together.

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S

Yeah, well –

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D

And it doesn’t matter. Once she makes those allegations, it’s

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over. So, you can – I don’t know if you can pick apart the charges or not.

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<Cough>

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D

I don’t think so.

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<Clear-throat>

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D

But, I think I can probably get it to where it’s just a probation

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violation.

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S

Yeah. If you get that, dude, I’d take it and run.

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D

I am.

I’ll take it. I’ll take a year. Hopefully I can do it, you

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know, some trustee job up at –

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S

Yeah.

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D

-- Wayside or something.

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S

Ah –

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<Cough/clear-throat>

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G

Any girl could express that I was never into their boobs. ***.

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<Cough>

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G

They are grabbing at straws there.

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D

Could be, man.

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G

They’re just saying –

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Transcript*Time* 09:47 Real*Time*June*17 ,* 2008,*11:35 * pm

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D

Yeah, how many guys like big

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boobs? If you got two or three *** boobs.

 

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G

But, I’m not into women like that, man.

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D

It doesn’t matter what kind. Doesn’t matter what kind.You

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like them for, uh –

 

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G

Maybe I like em for what they are.

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D

Yeah, like talking to em.

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<Unintelligible background noises/voices>

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<Cough>

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G

How could they involve the media in the courtroom?

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D

You know what, brother? I don’t know. I’ll tell ya, I don’t

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know. That’s gonna be an interesting deal for you, because, uh – but,

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this – the only thing I can think of, you’ve seen it when detectives get up

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there and they say “We’re looking for any witnesses. Now, we think this

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is the guy. Anybody that knows anything about this guy, uh, ***.” Yeah.

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G

They’re talking about an old guy, if he witnessed me going in

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there that night,

 

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D

Yeah.

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G

He didn’t – he just went and said that he witnessed me

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knocking on the window and knocking on the door – or checking in the

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window.

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D

I don’t know. I don’t know. And you say it wasn’t even at

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night?

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G

Of course, man. He just said ***– he just said he

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witnessesed me looking in the window and knocking on the door.

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<Cough/clear-throat>

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G

I think they’re full of shit, though.

He picked me out of a

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photo line-up, because I lived there and I used to talk to him all the time.

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D

Yeah.

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G

How come they didn’t come and

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haul me in before, if that’s the case?

 

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D

Yeah.

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G

They’re making shit up.

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D

Yeah, that’s –*** but like we talked about. You can explain all

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points ***.

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<Clear-throat>

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D

He recognizes you. You live there. Uh, if you – if you –

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caught – if they caught you looking in the window, who the fuck cares?

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She’s a friend of yours. You know, you’re wondering if she’s home. If

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your booties, you know, are in her house, and it’s got your DNA on it, so

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what? You gave her something. If it’s got blood on it, hey, there’s

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probably blood everywhere.

 

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<Cough/clear-throat>

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D

You could make up any number of stories. A jury will buy it.

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But, again, you need to do the heavy lifting for your attorney.

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G

Yeah.

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<Clear-throat>

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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D

Oh, man. As soon as I can get out, *** until after Christmas.

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<Clear-throat>

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G

You know, I’m not getting out – they said it’s gonna be a long

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road ahead for me.

 

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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D

Yeah. Yeah, you’re probably right, man. You know how the

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court’s just a mess.

 

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G

How the fuck am I gonna get that type of money man?

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<Unintelligible background

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noises>

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<Cough>

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D

Ha, I’m just wondering if you even need to – I mean, it

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sounds to me like you got things *** out. You got an explanations for

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everything. The only thing – the only – I’ll tell you what. The only thing

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you’re gonna have to worry about is, if they got some kind of evidence

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that you don’t know about. Right?

 

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G

If they what?

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D

If they have evidence that you don’t know about and they’re

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not telling you, then, you gotta worry.

 

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<Cough>

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D

And that’s what I’m saying that, you know – remember we

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were talking about another alternative – uh, a different story?

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G

<No audible response>

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D

‘Cause –

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G

Fuck that Boston cap is weird, ‘cause I gave her a cap like

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that when I first met her. Of course, she would have it. They’re so full of

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shit.

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D

Yeah.

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G

If it was laying in her room?

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D

Yeah. Did she ever put it on?

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<Clear-throat>

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G

I don’t know, man, she ***.

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D

*** It’s got her fucking hair on it.

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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D

That’s a good way. I’m trying to think of what else they could

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– you know, if they’ve got something like, uh, -- uh, your blood

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Transcript*Tim e* 09:54 Real*Time*June*17 ,* 2008,*11:42 * pm

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inside, or –

 

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G

They don’t have my blood anywhere in that crime scene.

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D

Right

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G

***.

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D

Cool.

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<Sigh>

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G

Or like any ***.

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D

*** DNA?

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G

Man, of course, my DNA is gonna be in there, anyway, dude.

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D

Yeah.

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<Cough>

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D

Any – anywhere you go, man. How long have you

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known that – how long did you know her?

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G

Like a week.

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D

Oh, okay. So, you were over there quite often? Or Hopefully

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– hopefully, your DNA is all over that joint.

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G

Two or three times.

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D

Two or three times?

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D

Yeah. It’ll be all over the place, dude. That’s probably what

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they’re holding back.

You know, those guys never play everything.

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They always have an ace card.

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G

The witness that seen me go in there –

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D

Okay.

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G

Well, of course. That’s true.

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D

Yeah. Did they say when that was?

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G

Uh-uh.

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D

Okay.

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G

You know, if it was that same day, they would have came to

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my place right away.

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D

Yeah. But, maybe, you know, -- like maybe other people

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went there, too.

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<Clear-throat>

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G

No, he identified me at the time that it happened or whatever

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the case may be ***

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<Cough>

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G

Like what they are trying — they are trying to ***.

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<Cough>

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G

Don’t you think the jury would be like, “Wait a second. How

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come they didn’t say– you didn’t arrest him earlier that if you witnessed

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him go in and out that day it happened?”

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D

Yeah.

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G

You know, ‘cause I wasn’t there the day it happened.

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D

Exactly.

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<Sniff>

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G

Man, they’re playing me for stupid.

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<Unintelligible backgound noises>

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G

They can arrest me and charge me with everything, man.

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They’re gonna do whatever they want, anyway like my mom always said.

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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G

I can answer all their questions.

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D

That’s cool.

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<Water flow>

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<Clear-throat>

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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<Yawn>

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<Flush-toilet>

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G

I can answer any one of their

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questions in front of an attorney. I don’t care. They’re gonna have

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nothing to arraign me on.

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<Unintelligible background noises/voices>

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G

And they’re gonna arraign me anyways – a bootie and a hat.

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D

Yeah, especially, in the same complex. That ain’t shit. And

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you knew the girl. So, fuck it.

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G

I can easily say that I’ve been there. Of course.

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D

Yeah.

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G

I love how the detectives talk so high about people. I don’t

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notice women like that. But, I don’t look at women like that. It doesn’t

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matter to me.

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D

Yeah.

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<Clear-throat>

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D

You know, so, they try to put it on the – the whole tit thing?

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G

Yeah.

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D

Is that how they were coming at you?

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G

She had a big bust, whatever. I mean, ***. I never even saw

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her like that, man. We just started talking and shit, you know.

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D

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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<Clear-throat>

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G

I helped her carry in the groceries and then, the laundry one

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day. And she was like “Come by again tomorrow.” And my fricking

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girlfriend would get jealous, ‘cause she was pregnant. Grace was a

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nightmare.

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<Sniff>

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<Clear-throat/cough>

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G

Like “Go fuck her.” ***. I said “What? I’m with you. Why

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are you jealous?” And the girl would tell me

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about her kids and everything. How in the fuck can I – would I know all

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that – where she worked? How the fuck am I gonna know all that, man?

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I’m not the person who knows it. And their acquaintances sit and talk

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with you?

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D

Yeah. Yeah, just because you’re friendly doesn’t mean

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you’re a suspect.

 

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G

Well, according to all these people that died. They’re saying I

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was friends with them and I’m the one that did it.

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<Sniff>

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G

-- They’re trying to link everything on my ass, man.

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D

Fuck, even if you did it, those fuckers are grasping at straws.

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You got *** explain every fucking thing away.

Nobody saw shit. Nobody

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saw you do shit. It’s all circumstantial.

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G

‘Cause – ‘cause, if they did see me, they would have arrested

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me right away.

 

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D

Oh, you – you’d be in the bucket, man.

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<Cough>

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D

It’s all circumstantial.

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<Sniff>

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<Cough>

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G

If they’re gonna arraign me ***-- take me to trial, why would

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they want to still talk to me?

 

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D

I don’t know.

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<Cough/clear-throat>

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D

Hey, uh, those booties you had outside the door, man, your

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neighbors would say that happened, right?

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G

<No audible response>

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D

That you always had booties out there?

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G

Well, even my ex could say that, ‘cause we always had to

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wear booties in the house.

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D

Okay. On the outside is what I’m talking about – *** see.

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G

Yeah, of course. And I left them all over the place. Even my

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girlfriend.

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D

Okay.

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G

That’s a fact – my wife now could even say that too that I

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leave them outside.

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D

That’s good. Have you had fuck – have you ever had a

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problem?

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G

<No audible response>

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D

Yeah, I don’t think you need my help on this one, man.

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<Sigh>

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D

Hopefully, they’ve—ha--given you--they told you what they

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know.

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G

They said they had a lot of other physical evidence.

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D

They said that?

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G

Mmnh-mmnh.

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D

Did they tell you what it was?

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G

Yeah, it could be my hair and shit *** physical evidence.

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D

Yeah. Yeah, it would be inside the house. If you ever were

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in there, then, ***.

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<Clear-throat/cough>

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G

They tried to scare me with the hat. There’s no way. Unless

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they pulled it – unless they put that hat on me,

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D

Uh-huh

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G

-- And they pulled it out of the garbage, there’s no way they

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would have found that hat.

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D

Well, who knows where that came from? But, you know

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what? Maybe they found it in the house. You said you gave it to her.

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G

I gave her a Boston hat. I – yeah.

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D

Is that the hat? So, when you showed – they showed you.

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G

It’s not the hat I wore, man. I may have wore it once. Who

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knows?

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D

Wait a minute. You gave her the one you were wearing?

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G

I dropped it off the next day. I was wearing a hat. She’s like

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“I love that hat.”

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D

Oh, I see.

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G

She touched it. And I said “I got another one. You want it?”

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D

So, if they found it in your place, you can explain that? She

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might have –

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G

There’s no way they found that hat in my place with her blood

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on it. There’s no way in hell. That’s what they’re trying to say.

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D

Right. Oh. Oh, oh, oh.

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G

A brand new hat.

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D

You gave her a hat. Was it brand new?

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G

Yeah.

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D

Okay. So, --

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G

And the hat they had was brand new. It was a resemblance

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of mine. They took it from my place, likely , to try to scare me.

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D

Is that what it was?

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G

<No audible response>

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D

Okay. So, you think that hat they showed you was not the

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one that you gave her?

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G

Who knows? They can lie and change things around. Like

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they could find one in my place.

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D

Yeah.

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G

‘Cause they knew I liked to wear a Boston hat. Man, they’re

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fricking sheisters.

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D

Uh, yeah. Be nice to know what they have though.

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G

Well, I’ll find out at the arraignment, right?

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D

Yeah, I think. I don’t know if they have to give up everything.

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<Clear-throat/cough>

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D

Usually, when you get an arraignment, you just walk in there

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and – and they read the charges against you. And the judge asks you

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how you plead. And then, after it, then, they set a date for, uh, -- what?

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God, the, uh – the, uh – uh, preliminary – preliminary hearing. Huh.

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Then, it’s your attorney’s job-- to find out what they have.

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<Unintelligible Background noises/voices>

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D

But, think about, uh, saying – ‘cause if they – if you find out

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they got other evidence, uh, that’s put you inside, then, you’re gonna

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need a fucking story.

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G

Evidence, like what, man ?

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D

I don’t know.

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G

They *** all that.

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D

I don’t know.

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G

I’ve been inside the house.

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D

Yeah, yeah. I – I understand that. My point is, you know –

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G

What else could they have, besides the hair?

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D

I don’t know. I don’t know.

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10:08-10:18>

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<Unintelligible background noises/voices>

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<Cough>

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<Beep>

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<Water flow>

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<Cough>

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G

Oh my God, I’m freaking tired.

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D

Yeah.

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G

They woke me up and took me out at eleven o’clock. They

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said they were talking to my daughter’s mom.

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D

Mmnh.

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<Beep>

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<Clear-throat>

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G

See, my daughter’s mom’s not a good witness, ‘cause she

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was in jail for five years for killing two people.

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D

She did? What the fucks that all about?

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G

A DUI accident.

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D

Oh. That’s not –

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<Clear-throat>

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D

-- That’s not gonna be good for her.

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G

What?

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D

Yeah, that’s not gonna be good for her.

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G

Not gonna be good for her in what way?

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D

Well, it’s a manslaughter charge. Are you gonna take the

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word of a manslaughter person? You know?

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G

Yeah, that doesn’t mean shit. She – she was the witness for

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that I was home. She can lie and say I wasn’t.

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D

Yeah.

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G

*** no, she’s not credible.

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Hmnh-hmnh. But, she could be – she’s on the District Attorney’s side.

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<Beep>

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D

That’s what I mean, you know--

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<Cough>

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D

-- If she’s got that kind of background.

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G

Man, ***,

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<Cough>

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G

-- She’s seeing a psychiatrist.

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D

Yeah. ***. You’ve got nothing to worry about there.

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<Beep>

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D

So, they said that – they – they said they had other fucking,

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uh, murders that they’re gonna try to link to you?

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G

Hollywood station too was trying to nail me for shit.

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D

You think it was like what we’re talking about, like they’re

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trying to, you know, put all the similar type –

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<Clear-throat>

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D

-- Murders and say you did it?

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G

They’re all different. But, they’re trying to link them to me.

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D

Oh, okay. Well, if it’s DNA or if it’s people seeing you or

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whatever.

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G

Another one they tried saying I was doing it – or did it.

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D

Uh-huh.

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G

And I was on the phone with my girlfriend, at the time it

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happened.

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D

Oh, is that right?

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G

Yeah. I told them, “Check the phone records. Do you

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understand? I was at home, on my home phone.”

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D

You have no worries there.

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G

Two of them. The one from fourteen years ago. Uh, two.

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They said they had my blood there. ***.

 

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<Clear-throat>

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G

That’s common. I used to – uh, my blood and skin – *** all

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over the place ***I – I’ve known the family for fricking my whole life.

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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<Clear-throat>

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D

So, it was from fourteen years ago, and they two – you said

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that – what did they say they had on you? Blood?

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G

They said they had my blood under the person’s nails. And I

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said “Well, -- or my skin under their – this person’s nails.”

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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G

I said, “That’s common.” I knew the person. They – all

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they had to do was give me a hug. And I – I’ve seen the person all the

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time.

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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G

See that case, man, from many years ago – strange – ‘cause

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they put all the heat on the brother.

And then, they started coming after

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me.

I’m telling you, it was his fault that his sister *** –

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<Clear-throat>

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G

-- It was his fault that ***.

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<Cough>

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D

You think he did it, huh?

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G

No, I think he pissed someone off.

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D

Oh.

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G

There was no one near us. So – nothing to do with me.

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Nothing to do with him.

 

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D

Whatever happened with that

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case?

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G

It’s still going on.

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D

Oh.

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G

Now, they have a wanted thing for me out there.

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D

They do?

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<Sniff>

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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G

Yeah. They said they’re gonna be taking me to the Downey

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station after this arraignment. And then, they’re gonna be taking me to

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Hollywood station and try to charge me for all the different cases.

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D

Uh, they’re gonna make you the, uh, scapegoat.

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<Cough>

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G

The what?

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D

They’re gonna make you the scapegoat.

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<Clear-throat>

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G

The other ones that they told me, uh –‘cause they—cause-uh

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– detective was on my tail.

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D

Yeah.

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G

They have two detects – detectives together. They

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questioned me, and then, let me go. Now, all of a sudden, they’re gonna

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charge me?

 

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D

Yeah. You did good back then.

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G

No, I told them the people I knew them. What the hell? Just

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‘cause I know someone, you’re – you’re trying to – and those detectives

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were like “You’re a killer.”

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<Chuckle>

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G

Yeah, right?

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D

Yeah, you can tell, man.

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G

Are you guys trying to pull my chain? What the hell am I

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gonna do that stuff for?

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D

The, uh – all the – you know, uh, on – on the cases that

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they’re – They’re trying to pin on you, how many of them, uh, do you –

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how many of them are *** from the people died that are, uh –

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G

Strippers?

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D

No, people that you know. Were some of them strippers?

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G

<No audible response>

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D

Then, it could have been anybody.

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<Clear-throat>

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G

They’re just trying to see a pattern --

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<Cough>

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G

-- Wth my DNA there and the people died.

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D

Yeah.

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G

Out of eight of them that died ***– my DNA was there, ‘cause

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I knew the person. But, they – they link that. You know, his DNA’s here.

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His DNA’s there. The people died. That doesn’t mean shit, though,

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dude.

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<Sigh>

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D

Mmnh. ***.

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G

What would my motive be? What’s the motive gonna be on

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the next one? The person was beautiful?

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<Unintelligible bakground noises>

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G

*** other detectives will say – they’re gonna tell me “The

26

reason we know you did it, because you –

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<Clear-throat>

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G

Since they’re beautiful girls and – and you did this to them

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because you can’t have them?”

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D

What?

3

G

I was like “Mmnh, that’s interesting.” I’m not even interested

4

in all of them, though. But, that’s what they’re saying.

5

 

D

I bet you could have them, huh? You could’ve?

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G

Man, I have a beautiful wife. I’ve had beautiful girl friends

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spending time with *** –

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D

Yeah, exactly.

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(Coughing heard).

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D

Trying to pass it off that you’re – like you’re some kind of

11

loser.

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G

They’re just trying to frame my ass and hook everything on

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my ass, you know. Bullshit.

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D

Yeah. I hear you. Huh.

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G

They’re gonna charge me. And they’re gonna still – still keep

16

coming around to question me, they said. They gave me their card.

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D

Dude, was there anything – I mean, aside from you knowing

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all these, uh, girls, was, uh –

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<Clear-throat>

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D

An occasional, uh, DNA evidence, was there anything that,

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uh – was there anything else that – that makes it look like, uh –

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<Cough/clear-throat>

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D

-- You know, – like – like it was done by the same person?

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G

<No audible response>

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D

Is that why they’re fucking, uh, trying to railroad ya?

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G

No, they’re trying to railroad me. ‘Cause I knew the people –

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my DNA was there-- just – just my hair or something.

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D

Yeah.

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G

Tsk. None of the cases are the

2

same, I think. So –

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D

Yeah. Well, that’s helpful, I think. When you think about it,

4

you know, you got a guy – *** got hair. Uh, ***hair---

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<Cough>

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D

-- You know, fucking, uh – uh, a choking here. Uh, how are

7

they gonna put that together?

8

G

All I know is they’re different cases, man. And they’re trying

9

to –

10

D

*** –

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G

I just know they’re trying to link it to me.

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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G

Don’t you think a serial person would do the same thing to

14

everyone?

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D

Yeah, I would think so. But, I don’t know much about that.

16

But, I would think so.

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G

Like all the other big time people, like Ed Gein, who’d eat the

18

people.

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D

Yeah, those fucking freaks.

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<Chuckle>

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D

Eat people? Jesus. Well, at least, you got that in your favor.

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They’re all ***. All I know, man, I’m done with my fucking lady. That’s,

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uh it – it’s over.

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D

Mmnh, Fuck her.

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G

*** get the fuck out of here.

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D

Huh?

3

G

I wanna get the fuck out of here.

4

D

Hmnh.

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<Unintelligible background noises/voices>

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<Cough>

7

S

What the fuck is going on out there?

8

<Cough/clear-throat>

9

G

*** the shit ***. Fucking shit, dude.

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<Clear-throat>

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G

What’s the likelihood of me beating the every single case?

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S

The likelihood of you getting what?

13

G

Beating every case?

14

S

Well, mmnh, if they got – if they got what you say they got, I

15

don’t know. It’s, uh, – you know, a lot of it is all what the jury is gonna

16

think, you know. You just gotta remove yourself from where you’re at,

17

and put yourself in the jurybox, and listen to what you’re saying. And

18

that’s gonna – and you gotta be objective. You know what I mean? You

19

gotta – no matter what – what the truth is, necessarily. I mean, you want

20

– that’s always the best. But, if you –

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<Clear-throat>

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S

-- Lightening doesn’t strike twice, most of the time. You

23

know, that’s what most people believe.

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<Cough/clear-throat>

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S

So, you gotta – gotta consider that.

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G

What do you mean by that?

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S

Well, like, in this case, where you, you know what you got

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here –

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<Clear-throat>

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S

-- Is – uh – I think your problem is the bootie thing.

3

G

Mmnh-mmnh.

4

S

Trying to give a reasonable explanation as to why that is. I

5

think that the story that somebody found them in a trash can and put

6

them on – even if that’s what happened -- that’s hard for somebody to

7

buy.

8

 

G

No, I’m – I’m not saying that.

9

S

No, I’m just coming to you –

10

G

I’m saying I left them at my doorstep.

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S

No. Yeah, I’m just saying that, you know, It is an example is

12

what I’m talking about.

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<Cough>

14

 

G

If you were a juror and you said – and you were feeling bad

15

about the booties that are at the doorstep, and they’re supposed to be

16

responsible for ***. You know what I’m saying?

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S

Mmnh.

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G

What do you think you would say, as a juror?

19

S

Well, uh, that, I mean, that’s what I’m saying. That – that’s a

20

better explanation than,

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<Sigh>

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S

-- You know, somebody went –

23

G

So, if I leave my booties at my doorstep and I’m supposed to

24

be responsible for everywhere they go?

25

 

S

Well, see, what you’ve got to consider is what people are

26

gonna think, too. If that’s what happened, if you left those out there, and

27

somebody grabbed them and put them on,

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<Clear-throat>

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-- The first thing I’m gonna think,

2

as a juror, is what are the odds this – that this guy that killed a girl –

3

whoever did this – did the killing, walked to your house first, found those

4

booties, and then, put em on and then, walked –

5

G

*** live right across the way – It’s an apartment complex.

6

S

Yeah, yeah – I’m not saying it’s not possible. I’m just trying –

7

you know, that’s what I’m saying, you got to remove yourself from where

8

you’re sitting and put yourself in the jurybox. If someone came to you

9

and – and told you that story, would you buy it? You know what I mean?

10

G

To me, if – if –if the – the construction guy that has proof that

11

he’s leaving his shit there.

12

S

Well—

13

<Cleaer-throat>

14

S

See, what I would look at is, first, can people see that from

15

the street level?

16

G

Oh, yeah, it was open road. You could see it. You could see

17

everyone’s door.

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S

That makes it where you want – if you have –

19

<Sniff>

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S

Uhm, if – if everybody knows that you walk around with those

21

things –

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<Clear-throat>

23

S

Because, if that – if – if that – and I don’t know anything about

24

the place, if it’s, you know – if it takes a key to get into that apartment

25

complex, or if it’s a gated, you know, community, or anything like that.

26

But, the –

27

G

Anyone can get in. And there were no cameras.

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<Clear-throat>

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S

Well, I’m just saying that—

2

<Cough>

3

S

If somebody came wandering in off the street, and walking up

4

to your place and putting on booties and going to her place and

5

killing her, uh, that is not likely. But, somebody that lives in there,

6

that knows you and knows that your shoes and shit always have

7

those things on there, and knows where she lives, could set

8

something like that up. You know what I mean?

9

G

Mmnh-mmnh.

10

S

So, you know, you gotta think about that shit.

11

<Cough>

12

G

What is the motive for me to do something that crazy,

13

though?

14

S

Hmnh-hmnh. Fuck, I don’t know. But, you know, motive’s a

15

funny thing. Sometimes people just do shit just because. You know, you

16

try to put a square peg in a round hole sometimes with that. Motive’s

17

good if they’re trying to hang you for something. You know, *** –

18

 

<Cough>

19

S

If you--if you were dating this girl or, you know, had

20

something going on and got in a fight, and she got pissed off, or, you

21

know, stuff like that, that’s – that shows motive. But, that’s – there’s no –

22

nothing that’s happened or anything like that. There’s no relationship

23

that exists, you know.

24

G

Mmnh-mmnh.

25

<Cough>

26

S

People like to hear that there’s a motive. ‘Cause, if you think

27

about it, peop – human mind--always wants to know how come? After

28

everything’s said and done, all the facts are out, there’s always the “Well,

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how come? Why did he do that?” And it’s,

2

you know, if they don’t have a lot, it’s sometimes hard for them to think

3

that it happened.

 

4

G

Mmnh.

5

<Cough>

6

G

So, they could just get a bootie and a hat and say there’s

7

blood on it, and fucking charge someone?

8

S

Well, yeah. I mean, you should think about what that implies.

9

You know, and—

 

10

 

<Clear-throat>

11

S

it’s not just a bootie and a hat with blood on it. It’s – it’s the

12

bootie they’re saying is yours, ‘cause it’s got your DNA in it, and-- the

13

girl’s blood is on it. That connects you to her.

14

 

<Cough>

15

S

You know what I mean?

16

G

<No audible response>

17

S

That’s gonna be their case. Now, you – the thing is, you’re

18

gonna have to figure out how to get around that – that bootie. And the

19

explanation, if it’s sitting out front of your doorstep, and people know you

20

had those things, if it’s somebody that lives in that building, that could be,

21

you know, an explanation.

But, you know—

22

 

<Clear-throat/cough>

23

S

I’ll tell you this, though, most times, Homicide guys, they

24

don’t – they got a lot of shit to do. They’re – and I don’t know who you

25

talked to. I don’t know any of those guys or any of that shit. But, most of

26

the time, they’re – I mean, they’ll bluff. But, I mean, I’d be—I’d be

27

concerned about them,

 

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<Cough>

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