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again? G U G U G U G U G answered. U happen. G of hand. U Yes. Okay. The thing is, they uh, they dont keep on answering when I Here? This morning youve called a few times? Yeah, and they deny it.

give my name. They keep hanging up and discontinuing it. Yeah. Ive called a few times. And it just they just

Maybe its because there was nobody in the office yet. Well, it wasnt the answering machine. It was the girl that Well, Ill Ill go say something to them about that. But,

theyre not supposed to do that. So, I will make sure that that doesnt All I know is Im scared of my life that Im theyre trying to

hang me for everything little fucking thing. And and its just getting out Well, you know, Ill do Ill get on top of this right now and

see if we can figure out some more about whats going on here. And, uhm, when Anthony gets in, he should be Im pretty sure, he

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home regardless. And and regardless if my daughters mom says or not, shes just trying to hang my ass, because she was pregnant. I was at home with her. U G Okay. And there would be no reason why I would wanna hurt

anyone. No grudge with this person. I just met the person for crying out
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loud. And and, uh, to tell you the truth, Im not saying I wasnt there at the house. They even said, uh, a witness stated that they saw me coming to the out of the house one day. Or they saw me, uh, go inside the house. U G U G U Mmnh-mmnh. Okay. Let me let me get off the phone and try and figure When should I call back, sir? So, I mean, of course, I knew the person.

Uhm, let me see. Its nine now. Its anytime after noon. I

mean, its gonna take us a little while to to try to get some information and get things figured out. So, if you want to call back. it too long and expensive. Uhm, what would give them the reason, if they uhm, that they would keep on hassling me throughout the whole case? U Because thats their job. You know, Im sorry. Thats not Im not giving you a B.S. answer. But, if theyre gonna keep hassling you, theyre gonna keep hassling you. Thats G U G U G Now, what would give them the reason I dont want to keep

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that they have all this against me? Ha, because they always want to get you to admit something. It makes their job a lot easier if somebody just admits things. You know what I mean? G U Im not admitting to nothing I didnt do. No, no, no. I know that. Im not saying Im saying thats
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their reasoning for for wanting to ask you questions, cause, if they can get you to admit something, their job becomes a lot easier. G U G U G U G U Okay. Thats the I mean, its its manipulative, but ***. What is it they need that they need, supposedly, for all Im not sure what youre asking me.

these cases?

What is it that they need to be keep on trying to hang me? I For whatever reason, you know, theyre thinking that youre All they told me is You had a nice long career and were Well, continue not talking to them. Thats the best thing you

mean, why do they keep on doing this?

involved in all of them, theres, you know theres not a real ***. putting it to an end. And then, I was like Huh? I didnt talk to em. can do. Just tell them that, you know, you have an attorney and youre youre not gonna, and youd rather not speak with with them without G U U G Are they recording this phone in the jail? Uh, I dont believe so. I I Well, regardless, I have nothing to hide. No, I know this. Thats dont worry about that. Thats And, somehow, they said theyre gonna take me to Monterey Yeah. -- Was always threatening me saying Oh, you threatened to your attorney being present.

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nothing to be concerned about. G U G Park. For what? I dont know. But, my wife my ex-girlfriend

kill my parents with a gun. And shes just lying so she could full custody
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of my daughter. U Well, Im gonna try and figure this stuff out. And, if, for some reason they end up moving you, again, obviously, let us know, so we can do try to figure out whats going on with you. G U G U G Thank you, sir. Thank you. Okay. Bye. 18:59-19:14> <Beep> <Flush-toilet> <Dial tone> All right. And Ill talk to you later.

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the street. Thats where they-- took you to it, isnt it? G So, theyre planning on arraigning me without hearing my side of the story or anything. But, even if they had my side of the story, theyre still arraigning me. So, they dont give a fuck. They, obviously, S G S G S Well, listen, when I was over there the guys that Well, --***. One had a gray hair and shorter guy? Yeah, ***. ***. interviewed you yesterday, what did they look like?

They were over there. They were over there with two, uh,

from. Theyre wearing LAPD badges a Black guy and a White guy. <Unintelligible background noises> J S G S S There you go. Thanks.

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they were they were there now, Im assuming. I dont know if they really were all there just for you. But, I think that, uh G S G short hair. S G S G of built, you know. Bald? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, *** *** small. Uh, the black-and-white guy Yeah. -- He he was on the phone. ***. The Black guy with the

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Uh, Im thinking its about ten What do you think theyre doing at the court? Uhm, you know, I dont know. I couldnt and and they

oclock or so. Somewhere around ten oclock.

didnt do anything while I was there. They were just all there talking. So, court. They probably are. I mean, why would they go there, you know? dealing with homicide detectives from Hollywood and ones in Chicago. Im gonna be hearing from them S then G case ***. S S G S S G <Yawn> Yeah. Well, uhm, theyre probably gonna talk to you. And Theyre not gonna talk to me, man. Theyre gonna ***

theyre gonna try to charge me with two homicide cases along with the Hmnh. You got yourself into some deep shit, man. Probably all of em are comparing notes and stuff. <Clear-throat> different. G *** the crazy thing is those two homicide cases are totally Which ones? The one that theyre there for. Well theres three, three of em. Ones that youre talking Ones in Santa Monica. That was supposed to be an

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Thats the one here in El Monte? Theyre saying that they found a bootie. Right. Another one is in Hollywood. They they are hassling me <Unintelligible background noises heard>

about the Chicago ***. S G S G The Hollywood guys are harrassing you about the holly ***?

*** get me for murder.

Oh, and you -- you said hes handling, uh, the Chicago one? He was handling the, uh, that one and the one in Hollywood,

because fucking, somehow, there was a stripper that I knew, that I was <Clear-throat> G S G S G S G S G S witness that put me there.

What kind of DNA do they have there? Yeah? Mmnh. Thats DNA. DNA is ***. This is DNA. Yeah okay. Skin cells. Uhm Yeah ***. <Cough> Yeah. Well, when did this that Hollywood one supposed to I dont know, man. *** years ago. ***, damn, dude. Thats some crazy shit. <Unintelligible background noises /voices heard>
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Thats a freaky town Hollywood. <Cough/clear-throat> Was that that Hollywood one, was that a stabbing? Or was I think I think so yeah. See, thats the thing, theyre trying to Hmnh. And that was a stripper, huh?

it a shooting? Or do you know? get ***, cause Im - Im thinking its a stabbing charge him.

mean, they always have a lot of drugs there. What do you mean where? At the house. Oh.

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<Unintelligible background noises> They had me look at their AC one time. Did what? They met me in the park *** dog *** had me look at the AC Mmnh. And their car was broken down. And I helped him start it. Uh-huh. And then, we became acquaintances, friends. ***, yeah. <Clear-throat>
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I met the girl. But, I never really Yeah maybe he did it, ***. What? Maybe he did it. ***. And theyre harassing me about it. But, that time, I even uh-huh.

hung out with her. I hung out with the boythe guy.

have a phone call, during the time they, supposedly, said I was there. Im on the phone fucking talking to my ex in Chicago. Hmnh. Why did you move out here from Chicago? Theres nothing ***. (No audible response.) Yeah? When did you come out here?

I was in the mid-West, too. I lived back in the Missouri. I dont know theyre in court. I mean, do you have court?

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fuck, *** wherever. So, my guess is court for something. They took us out *** already did their shit. G S They were mentioning my name? No, they didnt sa I didnt hear your name. But, they were

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One man had short, short brown Last night? White guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think thats him. ***. Old ***? Yeah. ***. ***, yeah. Yeah. Black guy is bald. With gray hair.

The other guy is kind of tall and thin?

Hmn-hmn, Santa Monica. Oh, Santa Monica. Uh, and, uh, one other one has a moustache ***. And he wears glasses? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. <Unintelligible background noises> Uhm, I dont know. I dont know why they were all here. Find Mmnh? Ill bet you theyre gonna talk to you. Or maybe not. I dont

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left. So, I dont know if they were already done with business or hadnt done their business yet. But, I didnt I there were all the arraignments and shit going on. Nothing would happen my guess is, they hadnt done shit yet, and they were waiting for all the all the the, uh, arraignment shit to happen. they were gonna do in court. <Cough/clear-throat> S G S G S G evidence? S Then, after we left, thats probably when they did whatever

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stab wounds. S G S G What is ***. What do you mean? *** I dont know. One I dont know they explained em different.

the same, not different the way a person died. S G S G But, ***. S G S G Mmnh-mmnh. Got you. be different? Oh, yeah.

They would be the same is what Im saying.

You know what Im saying? They were just different cases.

One guy said You just the Hollywood detective was just

woman was a brunette. You you just like beautiful women. You cant get em. So, you kill em. Thats their motive. S Yeah. I think theyre fishing. Thats what its sounds like. I was like, What? Ive never hurt any woman over any *** Mmnh-mmnh. I dont or I woulda had a record. Yep, like I said, maybe theyre, you know, making a guess at

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fingerprints or G S G S G do? S G S whatever. G ***. S G G S Talk toYeah. Any of their cases, they never had a weapon. And they never What about that one from here? Theres no witness, man. Hes just stating that any time he Oh, got you. had a witness.

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***. You know what Im saying? S G S G Yeah. They can make up whatever cases they want. <Cough> Yeah. Well-They have nono other *** to me, threatening anyone with a

knife. They were only guns. They even took my brothers gun out of his someone. S G S S G S Hmnh. Thats weird. The Hollywood detectives. Mmnh. Well, <Cough> What?

None of that shits gonna fly.

None of that shits gonna fly in court. If theyre if theyre

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Being acquitance with them. ***. S G S Yeah. How am I supposed to fucking know? *** Well, you know, I just know that watching those guys they <Clear-throat> G have. S

had more than what they let on to. How could they have more? Theres nothing more they could No, Im just saying that man, I dont know about this case.

***I dont know anything about it. You know, Ive I have found out and I have been talking to other guys, you know, they find out later when they go to court, and they gotta tell everybody , you know, what they shit than what they let on. G S G S S G know. And you find out that, when they talked to you, they knew more Put it this way, if they had so much on me, why would they I dont know. Good question. *** socks.

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Hmnh. <Unintelligible voices> Sandals ***. No, just regular shoesthey slip on. Yeah, so you dont slip and slide. Sometimes they have those those ones that*** those plastic <Cough/clear-throat>

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people on the ***. If they have it in the system right away, *** his DNA was here and his DNAs there. DNAs there. S S G S Yeah. <Cough/clear-throat> *** If that were the case, dont you think all my customers Oh

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wait 14 years?

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there. S Well, like that one thats thats here. Thats if theyre talking a fucking bootie, youre got to explain that. Now, you got an explanation for that thing. But, you know what I mean?. You thats what Im talking about it. You got shit hanging out there you need to know Fingerprints and stuff found in places where youve been. places. You were friends of theirs, or been in the house or whatever. And thats no big thing. But, weird shit like that bootie thing, thats thats the kind of G S G S G S G S Ive been to the persons house. what it is first. And then, you know how youre gonna explain that shit.

to explain ***. Well

There was a bootie there. **** my skin ***. But, I leave a Well, theyre gonna say the booties yours. And youre gonna Well well, ohh--***, I gave the person booties. Well, youre gonna have to explain why theres blood on it How could I explain if if I wasnt there? You see? Well, what Im youre gonna have to offer a reasonable

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Put it this way, I give you <Clear-throat>

booties, cause you want em so you dont get the carpet dirty. S G S G S G S G S Mmnh-mmnh. Okay. Im wearing a pair of booties. I take em off. And the Okay. If something happens to the person, -Right.

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the bootie ***-gonna have to explain

that its yours and, apparently, they are S -- Theyre saying that their theory is that you were

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doesnt make that much sense, uhm, the so, for those to be her booties, that you gave her and someone did that, thats kind of a stretch, I think. The trash can theory, where somebody, you know, went rummaging through the trash can and found the booties, and then, put gonna go kill somebody, theyre not gonna I mean, if they know theyre You know, theyre not gonna theyre not gonna go of stuff. Shit, theyll just go buy them and put them on. The, third thing <Cough> S em on, that doesnt make sense either, because, when someones there, thats one thing.

wandering aimlessly looking through trash cans, you know, for that kind

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house, they look over and see those things sitting on your door, then, they may go You know what? Thats thats feasible that they see that Thats thats gonna be the most reasonable explanation I find, you know, cause thats something that could happen. Those other two things, though and think Hey, thats a good idea. Ill put those on before I go in there.

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one you do. And thats the one they found. <Cough/clear-throat> S I think thats gonna be a tough one to explain, personally. Cause it it maybe not tough to explain, but a tough one to solve to the G S G S How do they even know its my skin cell? Just cause I

Well, theyre gonna believe me, theyre gonna bring some So, ***.

scientist a scientific expert in there to explain all that shit. Im guessing. I dont know. I Im not I dont know about

anything to test or whatever. But, if they got it G S G my trunk? S planning stage. *** you know what? Theyre trying to scare me man. I dont know, dude. Because I have because I have booties in Santa Monica in *** past the scaring stage. Right now, Im just theyre in the <Cough> *** over there in the courthouse. It didnt look like they were

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I wont say a word until I get Yeah. <LAPSE TIME: no intelligible conversation; Transcript Time 20:39-20:41> <Cough/clear-throat>

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question. And we dont we dont remember how anybody got killed and the jury writes the question asking, you know, how the people were killed. Then, he can answer that question, cause it was already part of the trial. G S S S Mmnh-mmnh. <Clear-throat> <Cough> So, then

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gonna let you get on the stand. They never do, cause, uh, if you get up there to talk about your side, the the prosecutor gets to take a whack at <Clear-throat> S stuff. G S stuff. G S you. And, your most attorneys dont let the clients do that. Ive been through this shit enough times, that I know that <Clear-throat>

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They didnt say your name. But, Ill just tell him that. Oh. I know, Im Im pretty sure theyre talking about your

shit, cause the the way you described these guys from last night, thats who these guys were. *** these other guys. And thats thats not a <Cough/clear-throat> G S G S G S S together with Detective Small Dont*** Hmnh-hmnh. Yeah, they werent ***. coincidence.

persons blood on it ***. <Clear-throat>

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it are the guys that the cops that are in the you know, the cars and shit, who were at the scene. Now, thats when they fuck with things. But, most of them move on early. Theyre like, fuck, all they want to do is go and put people in jail and shit so. Theyre not they are not worried about what happens down the line so much. <Clear-throat>
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And, you know what, Ill tell

you this. Most people in juries -- they got some people in juries that, you know, tst, theyre they dont believe its either one or the other. They either never believe the cops, or they always believe the cops. So, you got that whole problem to deal with. Most of the time, they believe the <LAPSE TIME: no intelligible conversation; Transcript Time <Clear-throat/cough> <Cough/clear-throat> G S G G Another point is Yeah. -- If cops. 20:49-20:54>

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blood. But, I may have I mean, the boot ***. Shoe cover, ***. what theyre gonna say. Doesnt make sense.

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especially, if its you know, theres a lot of blood everywhere and stuff like that. <Clear-throat> S truthfully. shoes still at the persons house. S S Well, you know, thats <Clear-throat> G *** throw it away. Try to get rid of the shit, mmnh, I mean, The majority of the cases, though, the detectives find the

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Shit, Im guessing around 11:00. <Cough/clear-throat> <Unintelligent background noises>

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didnt leave the country? Mmnh, I didnt hear--? If youre what?

Another thing the attorney can make clear to the jury or Yeah?

whatever, if I was responsible for those many crimes -- That they are stating? Then, how come I didnt leave the <Cough/clear-throat> would get caught.

I dont know. Mmnh. Theyre gonna say you didnt think you Sure, But, theyve been hassling me for years. ***. Oh, thats true, huh. Theyve been hassling me its because I have nothing to Yeah. <Cough> ***. Im fucking tired of thinking about this, man. The best thing to Hmnh, you know, one of the things, uh, about why you didnt
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do something, sometimes that shit never comes up in court. If the what happens in court is the prosecutor tells a story. <Cough> S They they start off and you see this in shows, too. They tell the jury, This is what were gonna show. Were gonna show that he killed people, and duh, duh, duh. And then, the defense is gonna get up there and say The

prosecutor is gonna tell you his story. But we are gonna have a story, too. Were gonna have answers to things. And then, they sit down and go systematically. But <Clear-throat> S

but, the defense responds to the prosecutors questions. The prosecutor interviewed you, Did he what did he say? He said this. Okay <Clear-throat> S --And then, the defense will get up there and say and ask

the detective, Well, what do you think he meant by that? Duh, duh, duh duh, duh, duh. Now, all the defense unless they put you up there <Cough/clear-throat> -- And asked you questions, you know, like Why do you think

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-- Maybe a question the jury <Clear-throat>

would ask, too. But S --They may not allow that question in court, because it

doesnt, you know the prosecution did never brought it up. So, it <Clear-throat> S S <Hiccup>

-- Have to say. And you make up make a call from there. <Clear-throat/cough>

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<Clear-throat> -- Then, thats where you know where you stand with all the evidence. And then, the judge decides if theres enough evidence to go and take it to trial. And then, they set a trial date for whenever <Clear-throat> more complicated the trial, the further away they set things, because it -- Its usually, you know, a month or so away. But, uh. The

get--get all the shit together. So, theyll waive time, then, and drag it out. And then, eventually, youll go to trial. Most of the time, in trial, -<Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Clear-throat> So I can be fighting it for years, huh?

Oh, shit, yeah. Once you start a trial, you could be you Even though I was associated with a lot of the people? Well, that doesnt make any difference. Theyre gonna come

whatever its gonna be. They may try try all these cases together. Or they may try em separate. You dont know. <Clear-throat> I should call my attorney and tell him. Tell him what? That? Yeah. Oh, they they already know that shit. They do it every day. No, about the detectives. Uhm, you can. Hes gonna ask you what they want. And

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talk to em, to see what they say, so, you could tell him what they say <Cough/clear-throat> S G S so. G arraignment for me anyway--mini-trial. <Cough> G S G S G S G Whats that? -- And what they ask you. *** attorney *** cases ***. Well, they may do that. But, at least, you know, see what

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it was? G S G S G S G S G G S ***. *** makes *** trying to fish. <Cough/clear-throat> Theyre fucking framing me, man. I said, Theyre fucking framing my ass, ***, but Ive done Mmnh. Whats that?

How come theres been no physical abuse on the women Ive Dont know. I dont if that will ever come up. Ive been in no trouble, man.

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<Clear-throat> Dont you think *** charge me ***? <Cough/clear-throat> Well Cause *** me *** talk to you. ***. No. I mean, you know, uh, what they do, typically, theres-uh,

you know, theresuh But, my caper, for example, theres a fight. fight or even like what homeboy over here is here for. <Clear-throat/cough>

The cops get called. Theres a fight. They see marks on her.

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them, you wanna take care of the most obvious stuff, cause you dont wanna go to court and have some defense attorney ask you you know, if youre a cop, they ask you Hey, well, did you ask anybody that? If you say No, theyll go Well, why not? If you would have asked, you would have found out blah, you <Cough/clear-throat> S know. So, they gotta go through the motions

know, youve got, uh, an alibi; or youve got a place you were at; or youve got a witness who saw you somewhere else, or something like that. Then, theyll go check on that to see if its, you know, accurate or true or whatever. So, they gotta talk to you. Thats you know, theyre <Clear-throat/cough> G S G S G Whats that? gonna do that.

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fucking just discount that shit. G Im not discounting it. But, uh, my DNA should be there. If I <Clear-throat> S G S G S G of. S G S G But, its just Thats gonna be an important deal. <Cough> Yeah, it could. Im not saying my DNA isnt there. I mean, it is. knew the person, why wouldnt it be there?

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You said you said your mom My dad. My mom passed away. Oh. Does he know about all this shit, yet? Hes known about other shit for a long time. And they used to

and dad are still back in Chicago?

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<Unintelligible background <Cough/clear-throat> Rodney, Im gonna be arraigned, uh, this afternoon, about So, where are you gonna be, then, tomorrow? Talk to the detectives <Cough/clear-throat> Oh. <Cough/clear-throat> -- About the case. <Cough/clear-throat> <Sigh> one oclock. So, have him come pick me up. Hmnh

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your left pocket. Left pocket. All right. ***. Okay. G Thank you. <Close-cell door> <Cough/clear-throat> <Cough/clear-throat> <Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Sigh> <Cough/clear-throat> G D S G S The phones are out? I dont know. *** No. <Sigh> D S G Oh, ***. ***? <Unintelligible background noises> <Unintelligible background voices>

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-- Excuse me, sir. Yes? Uhm, the detectives told me I could call my attorney. But, the Well, thats strange. It was working earlier. Uhm, I have *** Thank you, sir. <Unintelligible background noises> Yep. I know thats off. ***Thank you. ***. Thank you. ****. <Chuckle> Thanks.

phone doesnt work. find out whats going on.

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Whats the whats the new evidence?

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gonna go full fledged without you. We dont need you. But Mmnh-mmnh. -- We wanna ask you what we want a reason why you <Unintelligible background noises> Do they need a reason? Lights on. ***. <Beep> S D *** had this for breakfast. Me, too. Thats what I was thinking. <Beep> <Sniff>
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<Dial tone> God damn it. Why the hell are they refusing my call? <Beep> For English, dial 1. <Beep> Dial the phone number now. <Beep> <Clear-throat> Please say your name after the beep. <Beep> <Sigh> <Beep> quote, dial 7. <Beep> <Ring> <Dial tone>

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Yeah, hi. *** speaker phone. Just a minute. Are you there? Yeah, Im here. Okay. So, I I may have to get a hold of, uh, ***, <Clear-throat> -- Uh, Purcells. And he, uh, -- he tell me a lot , but it appears

that theres gonna be, uhm, --hang on, I am still looking for my notes right theres gonna be uhtwo other-uh- two other cases at some point. And, uh, we should <Cough/clear-throat> U G U -- Are you there? Yeah, Im here.

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the one that threatened that he was gonna, uhm, -- he took my blood at a hospital and U G *** Yeah, and he has been hassling me. Hes taken my brothers

my place, when he knew I didnt have a gun. U G U G U G U G U G U G Okay. So, hes yeah. ***. <Blow-nose>

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guy. U U G U G U G U U G privately? U Yeah. Mike, Mike, listen to me ***. Yeah, yeah. Mike. Are you there? Im here. Okay. Yeah.

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see him. G U houses. Like Im supposed to know the situations of these houses or the U No, I understand. I mean, were gonna were gonna try and G All I know is Im scared of my life. And for all these homicide No, I understand that. I dont disagree with you. But, the, uh I mean, Im a business guy. Ive been been to many cases to be coming on my tail is just a little bit ridiculous.

get to the bottom of everything. But, uh, if, for some reason, you get moved back to Twin Towers before we talk to you, call and let us know that youre there. That way, we can try and get, uh U G U G U G U U G -- A person and get all this kind of ironed out, I guess. But, in the meantime, I guess, were gonna just try and get a Because theyre not giving me any phone calls. Im sorry? In Twin Towers, they wont give me phone calls. And youre saying you wanna call your attorney? I tried to call him. And they cancel out the phone, right away. You you were trying to call Twin Towers. But, were saying No, Im trying to call you when Im at Twin Towers. When I We we talked to them. You mean, on our end of things? You uh, no, as soon as I try to call you, the Twin Towers
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cancels it out, before it goes to you. U G U G U Thats odd. And other people were complaining, too, they were trying to Were you able were you able to get through to Anna once I cant call Anna or nothing. She has no idea.

call their family and stuff. And they would just click it out. youre back there?

something? All right. Well, I guess, if we dont hear from you, then, well assume that youre back there. And well try and, uhm yeah, well well either try and figure well get well get down there to see you, one way or the other. G U G U U G U U U How is Anna feeling about this?

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Uh, is there anything else that Uh, that just that I love em and whatever I could do, uhm, ***. What was that? ***.

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Okay. All right. Well, we will

get in touch with these others and try and figure stuff out. And, if you get I mean, if you get around to a phone later, you can try and call back. Uh, Anthony should be back in the office, at some point this afternoon. But, its hard to say when. U G have that? U G U G U G U U G U U U G U G G G Thats at three oclock. Okay. *** at 3:00. ***. Thank you very much. *** Yeah, well, -Im sorry? G When are you gonna have a conference call with my family? A conference call with with my family, when are you gonna

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the shit. And, uh, hopefully, theyre gonna arraign me this afternoon. *** 1:30 or whatever <Cough/clear-throat> Wayside job.

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Its so funny, though that that

if the homicide happened at nighttime or whatever time it happened, that a witness could see someone in the in the in the dark. D S D G D D G D G D G G D G D Yeah. *** lighting and ***. It just doesnt make sense. All these happened at night, then, I guess? <Clear-throat> <Sigh> Yeah, you yeah, hes right. *** its gotta be hard at night.

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said that I have two extra cases. D G D G D D From where? El Monte? And this one. And this one? <Cough/clear-throat> tell me much. Mmnh. <Unintelligible background noises> Mmnh. 22:33-22:35> <Cough/clear-throat> <Cough/clear-throat> G trouble. And I ***. D G D D G D They said they learned that just *** their ***. But, they didnt

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Oh, yeah. Yep, it it happens. <Clear-throat>

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know So <Clear-throat> S The insanity pleas-- sometimes that that people have an issue with it just like with cookies and the kid. If they come clean with the stuff. People have a tendency to ***. *** backed into the corner, or, you another issue of not telling the truth. *** all that shit to worry about. S know, whatever like that. But, its gonna it it does become uh<Clear-throat>

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to me. And theyre theyre bogus. S G S G A lot of the same shit stabbings and all that? I have no idea. Did they

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For English, dial 1. Para Espanol, marca dos. Dial the phone number now.

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the County Jail, using Inmate Communications. The charge for this call is $6.60 for the first minute. One dollar for each additional minute. Thank you for using Inmate Communications. U G U G U G U U G U G Hello? This is Carrie. Hi. Whos this?

visiting me from everywhere saying the same Yeah, this is getting to be bullshit. Hello, Mike? Are you okay?

Uh, let me get let me get Anthony, Michael. Yeah. Hold on. Hold on, Michael. Anthony, this is way out of hand.

Im not okay. They got detectives coming from all different

towns saying they the same exact thing as every other detective, that eyewitness. Uhm and not only came from Downey, I never lived in Downey. Uhm, Ive done some work out there. And, uhm, <Cough> -- Theyre trying to say that someone else got murdered and Well, heres the thing, right now, uh, your first and foremost

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nothing about what you know or dont know directly. But, the other thing is, uh I mean, it could just be this stuff is is theyre bluffing. You know, I dont know. And the short answer is I dont know whats going on, at this point. I think we just have to wait a lot of pardon the French but, you know, s-h-i-t hitting the fan. and see how this is gonna play out. Obviously, needless to say, theres Uhm, you know, one of two things is going on. Either youre a suspect in all of these things, and the detectives became aware of you, for some reason, and theyre hoping to sort of hit the jackpot, if you will. Or, you know, they actually do have some physical evidence. But, I mean, the bottom line is, what you should do right now your lawyer about it and your advice was simply not to talk about <Cough/clear-throat> U is is, again, just refer to me and just tell em that you need to talk to anything.

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talking. G U G U Thats what I did. Yeah, and, uh, you know Thats what I said. Were just gonna have to we have I mean, its its obviously, this is speculation. But, it

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holes. But, you know, if they had anything akin to what they have in dont know. DNA, they probably wouldnt need to ask you much else. got to be, obviously, be a stressful thing. Im curious to find out myself what the deal is with this. G U All I know is theyre trying uh, someones out framing my It is peculiar. I have way too much to lose to to for all this bullshit to be Well, well start getting some answers sooner or later. I

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Actually, youre familys about to call now. G U minute. G U Thank you. *** and what Ill do is, uh, you know, Im well, Im gonna, Okay. And, uh, I think 3:00 is the time. So, she should call any

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this is just out of hand.

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with some information. I mean, they, obviously, have a right to investigate. But, whether or not they are gonna find anything sufficient to convince the D.A. to charge you is another matter. So G G U G U G U G U G U G They all have the same funny stories. Thats kind of odd. Its way odd. <Cough/clear-throat>

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Yeah? They are so full of shit. Every case is exactly the same. No Well, just understand that these guys operate the same way.

case is the same, you know that. They get witnesses. They get DNA. They get, you know, their shit. So, But, theyre gonna say G S G S G S G S G S same type of knife.

Well, no. Yeah, but, I mean, theyre all doing theyre But, thats, what, the knife they showed me that I saw The knife. Yeah?

always gonna interview you. Theyre always gonna, you know Mmnh-mmnh. The what?

Never even touched *** in my life. Yeah? Well. They make false reports and lies. Every detective falsely Well, it seems like an awful lot of trouble just to fuck with you. No, its not. Cause, like I say, thats what they do. When

accusing me.

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<Clear-throat> Im sure it happens. <Cough> I wonder where the fuck my attorneys at. <LAPSE TIME: no intelligible conversation; Transcript Time <Yawn> *** a key? <Flush-toilet> ***. Mmnh? -- Pretty smart. What? Thats pretty smart. 24:54-25:03>

<Unintelligible background noises/voices> *** check it out , its uh, pretty smart.

All I need for you to do is tell on me, you know. Huh?

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Transcript*Time*25:07* Real*Time*June*18,*2008,*2:55*pm*

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G S G S G bullshit ***. S G S

I dont even know, man. And I dont even know them. Hmnh. Thats some crazy shit. Its full of shit, dude. And they all have the same kind of Yeah. Coming out of the woodwork now. These camerathey cant see ***.

*** when I was walking down there to get printed, I saw this <Cough>

cell on their monitor. S G of hand. S S G S G S S Yeah.

But, you can barely see the sink the corner of the sink. So, Homicide detectives from Downey this is getting to be out

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Transcript*Time*25:09* Real*Time*June*18,*2008,*2:57*pm*

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know. G S G S G S G S G S G S G S *** on Maria Rodriguez. I never heard the person. Who? A Maria Rodriguez? Ive never even heard of the person. Yeah, theres many of them. They asked me Did you work there? ***. And then, I dont Mmnh. So, they lie. <Cough/clear-throat>

Well, it makes you wonder how come they waited so long, Mmnh-mmnh. What?

Is that one plastic, too?

You better be able to get it out better than that, dude. I said You better be able to get to it better than that. I know. This is building from a long time. Mmnh. <Whisper>

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Transcript*Time*25:12* Real*Time*June*18,*2008,*3:00*pm*

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Uh-huh. <Unintelligible background noises> Right across the wall. Get out and run right across the main So, pop one of those things? And go to the -- go to the wall and pop one of the the, uh Mmnh. You think they are? ***.

wall and drop down. ***. Mmnh-mmnh. If I can, if theyre not watching it.

Well, you know, I dont know. I I mean, these they cant

have more than two jailers or three that I seen. You know, if they were that, at the same time. I dont know what the deal is. S G S G S S G Yeah. Did they make you go through, uh through the metal Mmnh-mmnh. Did it? Yeah. But they dont know ***. Yeah, they made me go through that, too. With metal on it? Yeah. There was a lot I had metal, you know, zippers and <Cough/clear-throat> G S Ole boy is gone. He, uh well, he went to fucking court, dude, on his

detector, and then, coming in here?

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arraignment. And I dont know I dont know what time it is. He should
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be back anytime. They might fucking ***. G S S G S G S G S G S G S G S Theyre trying to charge me with every little fucking case, ***. Yeah. <Clear-throat> do they leave you in there? By myself. Do they? In handcuffs, *** to the chair. Uh-huh. Do they shut the door? Uh-huh. Oh, they handcuff you to the chair? So, next time they come in to interview you, you know, ***, How the fuck do I protect myself?

Theres one in the hall. But You dont think uhm, they are looking at em, huh? Probably not. I dont think theyre fucking looking at any of <No audible response>

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<Clear-throat> So, youre gonna have to try that, huh? Shit, dude. Youve I d rather have them shoot me and kill me. Whats that? I d rather have them shoot me and kill me. Man I miss my

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<Unintelligible background Mmnh. <Cough/clear-throat> So, lets say you get up into the ceiling. Youre talking about running along the walls and where its just some place where it fucking Yeah. Cause if you look through, that doors open. Cause youre in the questioning room.

I mean, how do you get from inside here outside that wall? No, I understand that. But, I mean, from there, lets say you <Whistle> <Sigh> <Whistle>

go up into that vault ceiling, isnt there <Cough/clear-throat>

Hes not gonna come in here. I dont ***. When you get up At night or ***. Oh. Oh, oh. That takes you out of here. Yeah. Open the ***. They gotta check their weapons at the end of the hallway. *** Got you. ***. Fuck, yeah. Got you. Oh, I thought you were I thought you were ***.

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Transcript*Time*25:17* Real*Time*June*18,*2008,*3:05*pm*

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*** the room *** the wall. *** yeah, thats yeah, I understand that. I mean, I I know

about those. But, I didnt I thought it was you were talking about this thing in here. Hmnh. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> G S S G S G S G S G Mmnh-mmnh. <Cough/clear-throat> I dont know what you can use. S It doesnt have to be real big. But, its got to be strong. ***.

<Unintelligible background noises heard> <Cough/clear-throat> Oh, man. *** Damn.

Mmnh. Were not gonna get a break. Tight ***they are. Fuck. Yeah, they *** cuffs on me yesterday. Mmnh-mmnh. At nighttime.

*** not gonna work. Theyre not gonna shoot me dead? *** my wife. ***. <Whisper> Id rather be *** shot and killed.

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Transcript*Time*25:21* Real*Time*June*18,*2008,*3:09*pm*

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<LAPSE TIME: no intelligible conversation; Transcript Time 25:20-25:21> <Clear-throat> <Unintelligible background noises> <Cough/clear-throat> <Cough/clear-throat> So, did they you did some of those, huh? Huh? <Unintelligible background noises>

You did some of those, huh? Probably not all of them. But, What? Nah-a None of them. Nah.

you did some of them, huh?

Theyve got seven fucking people. Okay, buddy. But, youre accused. Ah***. Man, are you outta your fucking mind? Dude, youre taking a hell of a chance with this shit. ***. I Im not trying. ***. Oh, yeah, well. Thats true. <Clear-throat> Thats well, if they catch ya. If they catch ya. What are you talking about? Well, I mean, if you get out of here and youre fucking
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heading down the road. G S Shh--*** you know nothing, man. No, no, I dude, I aint gonna say shit. Im gonna say He

disappeared. Thats okay with me. I dont give a fuck, cause he dont give a shit about me. But, I dont ***. <Unintelligible background noises> S G S Whats that? Ill be gone in a flash. <Whisper> <Unintelligible background noises> G But, but, they have <Whisper> Ill be gone in a flash.

Oh, yeah. Im sure. Im just saying Make sure they dont <Clear-throat>

fucking get the grab back on you, cause, when they do S G S S S S S --Its gonna look its gonna look like shit on your cases. Are you willing to face five murder cases, dude? Oh, fuck, no. Fuck-- no, you know. You got nothing to lose. <Cough> You think its strong enough? Mmnh? You think its strong enough? Mmnh-mmnh. All I have to do is push the little wheel. Oh, and youll go -- so, youre not making the key. Youre <Unintelligible background voices< S --Thats a good idea.
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Transcript*Time*25:25* Real*Time*June*18,*2008,*3:13*pm*

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<Clear-throat> ***, but Im wondering if its locked, you can still open it? Whats that? If its locked, you can still open it? The side part? I dont know. I dont know. I know, if its locked, you cant.

But, I dont know about that. G ***. <Cough/clear-throat> what they do for everyone.

That guy *** look like a serial killer. Thats bullshit. Thats <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Yeah.

*** deal, man. Ill say this, I aint never been sitting in a

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Yeah. -- Whatever, *** check it out. *** yeah, youre right. They do. Theyll be in serious shit, dude. <Clear-throat/cough> Well, itll show the the preservative, ***. There would be <Cough/clear-throat> <Whistle> <Sigh> That agent ***. And, especially, if its spoiled.

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Just stand there right there. Gargiulo, go get a bunk ***. Face the wall. Go go get a bunk, Im gonna put your partner back in. Oh, sorry, sir.

***. Uhm, wheres your bunk? Oh, go to my bunk? Yeah. Oh, sorry, sir. <Cough/clear-throat> ***All right, Brooks. Come on in. <Open-cell door> <Duncan re-enters cell> <Transcript Time 25:29>

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And what -- whats your attorneys name? Alan Gallardo. I will I will check. Sir, do you know what time it is, sir? Thank you, sir. You want ***? No. No. I got it, I got Uh, about 3:30.

I was trying to *** that thing that you wanted. Ill Ill be <Unintelligible background noises> But, yeah, I do want to talk. But Man Yeah, youre gonna get *** in a bit. <Water flow> Really?

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remember. Okay. Well, were just gonna have to charge you, because <Flush-toilet> D G S D G

<Unintelligible background noises/voices> And then, what? know. Never been in their place ***. A dead person? Yeah. <Sigh> G D strike me dead.

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<Sigh> Well, they have to prove that one up wont they? <Sigh> I think, then, they could lie and write a false report and *** Well, Ill tell you what, just a little advice. Im worried about The only thing I know about is the number one thing. fingerprints report ***. the stuff that you did, not the stuff that theyre gonna manufacture.

Yeah. I know were talking about that. But, shit, dude. Anything else, completely theyre so fucking wrong. I had All right. Im not you know, its you, dude. I wasnt there. Yeah, I I know that. Im just, you know I hate to see you <Unintelligible background noises> -- But, I, also, know that When he meant that they were gonna throw evidence in Theyre gonna what? <Unintelligible background noises> *** evidence in every case, they found my hair floating around So, they went around and sprinkled your hair? <Unintelligible background noises/voices> How many eyewitnesses do they have? *** Every case that they have, they have a eyewitness. Do you believe em?
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Im possible. Okay. Why? Cause you werent there? Or just Yeah. -- You were talking about being nighttime. That was gonna Yeah. <Clear-throat> So Man, I dont know. Its all bullshit. <Cough> I I know, I know.

make uh***

Like I said, theyre trying to say I ***, everything on me. Dude, who the fuck is out there? Yeah, its probably shift change or something. Everybodys <Sigh>

coming in police cars and lugging their shit ***. so. G D Yeah, Im fucking Im totally I I gotta be honest with you. I dont think you have to worry Ive never been to Downey, dude Well, listen. -- In this persons house. I okay. I understand that. Okay. But, thats If so, maybe a job I did. But, I dont remember. Mmnh. But, fucking, theyre fricking full of shit, dude.
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Okay. Maybe they are. I

wouldnt worry about the ones you didnt do. Fuck it, dude, I mean, you got too much to worry right now. You got you got all this on your plate. So, you need to get rid of the ones that you didnt that that you got no connection, at all. Now, push them out of the way. Okay. Gone. <Clear-throat> G D G D G D G D Theyre charging me for every one. <Clear-throat> Im sorry? And whats that? How many? Theyre charging me for every one. Everything else, youre gonna focus on.

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