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again? G U G U G U G U G answered. U happen. G of hand. U Yes. Okay. The thing is, they – uh, they don’t keep on answering when I Here? This morning you’ve called a few times? Yeah, and they deny it.

give my name. They keep hanging up and discontinuing it. Yeah. I’ve called a few times. And it just – they just –

Maybe it’s because there was nobody in the office yet. Well, it wasn’t the answering machine. It was the girl that Well, I’ll – I’ll go say something to them about that. But,

they’re not supposed to do that. So, I will make sure that that doesn’t All I know is I’m scared of my life that I’m – they’re trying to

hang me for everything little fucking thing. And – and it’s just getting out Well, you know, I’ll do – I’ll get on top of this right now and

see if we can figure out some more about what’s going on here. And, uhm, when Anthony gets in, he should be – I’m pretty sure, he –

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home regardless. And – and regardless if my daughter’s mom says or not, she’s just trying to hang my ass, because she was pregnant. I was at home with her. U G Okay. And there would be no reason why I would wanna hurt

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loud. And – and, uh, to tell you the truth, I’m not saying I wasn’t there at the house. They even said, uh, a witness stated that they saw me coming to the – out of the house one day. Or they saw me, uh, go inside the house. U G U G U Mmnh-mmnh. Okay. Let me – let me get off the phone and try and figure When should I call back, sir? So, I mean, of course, I knew the person.

Uhm, let me see. It’s nine now. It’s – anytime after noon. I

mean, it’s gonna take us a little while to – to try to get some information and get things figured out. So, if you want to call back. it too long and expensive. Uhm, what would give them the reason, if they uhm, that they would keep on hassling me throughout the whole case? U Because that’s their job. You know, I’m sorry. That’s not – I’m not giving you a B.S. answer. But, if they’re gonna keep hassling you, they’re gonna keep hassling you. That’s – G U G U G Now, what would give them the reason – I don’t want to keep

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their reasoning for – for wanting to ask you questions, ‘cause, if they can get you to admit something, their job becomes a lot easier. G U G U G U G U Okay. That’s the – I mean, it’s – it’s manipulative, but ***. What is it they need – that they need, supposedly, for all I’m not sure what you’re asking me.

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What is it that they need to be – keep on trying to hang me? I For whatever reason, you know, they’re thinking that you’re All they told me is “You had a nice long career and we’re Well, continue not talking to them. That’s the best thing you

mean, why do they keep on doing this?

involved in all of them, there’s, you know – there’s not a real – ***. putting it to an end.” And then, I was like “Huh?” I didn’t talk to ‘em. can do. Just tell them that, you know, you have an attorney and you’re – you’re not gonna, and you’d rather not speak with – with them without G U U G Are they recording this phone in the jail? Uh, I don’t believe so. I – I – Well, regardless, I have nothing to hide. No, I know this. That’s – don’t worry about that. That’s And, somehow, they said they’re gonna take me to Monterey Yeah. -- Was always threatening me saying “Oh, you threatened to your attorney being present.

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of my daughter. U Well, I’m gonna try and figure this stuff out. And, if, for some reason they end up moving you, again, obviously, let us know, so we can do – try to figure out what’s going on with you. G U G U G Thank you, sir. Thank you. Okay. Bye. 18:59-19:14> <Beep> <Flush-toilet> <Dial tone> All right. And I’ll talk to you later.

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the street. That’s where they-- took you to it, isn’t it? G So, they’re planning on arraigning me without hearing my side of the story or anything. But, even if they had my side of the story, they’re still arraigning me. So, they don’t give a fuck. They, obviously, S G S G S Well, listen, when I was over there – the guys that Well, --***. One had a gray hair and shorter guy? Yeah, ***. ***. interviewed you yesterday, what did they look like?

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they were – they were there – now, I’m assuming. I don’t know if they really were all there just for you. But, I think that, uh – G S G short hair. S G S G of built, you know. Bald? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, ***– *** small. Uh, the black-and-white guy – Yeah. -- He – he was on the phone. ***. The Black guy with the

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o’clock or so. Somewhere around ten o’clock.

didn’t do anything while I was there. They were just all there talking. So, court. They probably are. I mean, why would they go there, you know? dealing with homicide detectives from Hollywood and ones in Chicago. I’m gonna be hearing from them – S then – G case ***. S S G S S G <Yawn> Yeah. Well, uhm, they’re probably gonna talk to you. And They’re not gonna talk to me, man. They’re gonna *** –

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That’s the one here in El Monte? They’re saying that they found a bootie. Right. Another one is in Hollywood. They – they are hassling me <Unintelligible background noises heard>

about the Chicago ***. S G S G The Hollywood guys are harrassing you about the holly ***?

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Oh, and you -- you said he’s handling, uh, the Chicago one? He was handling the, uh, that one and the one in Hollywood,

because fucking, somehow, there was a stripper that I knew, that I was <Clear-throat> G S G S G S G S G S witness that put me there.

What kind of DNA do they have there? Yeah? Mmnh. That’s DNA. DNA is ***. This is DNA. Yeah okay. Skin cells. Uhm Yeah ***. <Cough> Yeah. Well, when did this – that Hollywood one supposed to I don’t know, man. *** years ago. ***, damn, dude. That’s some crazy shit. <Unintelligible background noises /voices heard>
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it a shooting? Or do you know? get ***, ‘cause I’m - I’m thinking it’s a stabbing – charge him.

mean, they always have a lot of drugs there. What do you mean where? At the house. Oh.

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I met the girl. But, I never really Yeah maybe he did it, ***. What? Maybe he did it. ***. And they’re harassing me about it. But, that time, I even uh-huh.

hung out with her. I hung out with the boy—the guy.

have a phone call, during the time they, supposedly, said I was there. I’m on the phone fucking talking to my ex in Chicago. Hmnh. Why did you move out here from Chicago? There’s nothing ***. (No audible response.) Yeah? When did you come out here?

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left. So, I don’t know if they were already done with business or hadn’t done their business yet. But, I didn’t – I – there were all the arraignments and shit going on. Nothing would happen – my guess is, they hadn’t done shit yet, and they were waiting for all the – all the – the, uh, arraignment shit to happen. they were gonna do in court. <Cough/clear-throat> S G S G S G evidence? S Then, after we left, that’s probably when they did whatever

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Now, why would they let me go if they have so much Maybe they didn’t have much on you. Who knows? Maybe

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stab wounds. S G S G What is – ***. What do you mean? *** I don’t know. One – I don’t know they explained em different.

the same, not different – the way a person died. S G S G But, ***. S G S G Mmnh-mmnh. Got you. be different? Oh, yeah.

They would be the same is what I’m saying.

You know what I’m saying? They were just different cases.

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fingerprints or – G S G S G do? S G S whatever. G ***. S G G S Talk toYeah. Any of their cases, they never had a weapon. And they never What about that one from here? There’s no witness, man. He’s just stating that any time he Oh, got you. had a witness.

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***. You know what I’m saying? S G S G Yeah. They can make up whatever cases they want. <Cough> Yeah. Well-They have no—no other *** to me, threatening anyone with a

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Being acquitance with them. ***. S G S Yeah. How am I supposed to fucking know? *** Well, you know, I just know that watching those guys – they <Clear-throat> G have. S

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people on the ***. If they have it in the system right away, *** his DNA was here and his DNA’s there. DNA’s there. S S G S Yeah. <Cough/clear-throat> *** – If that were the case, don’t you think all my customers Oh –

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there. S Well, like that one that’s – that’s here. That’s – if they’re talking a fucking bootie, you’re got to explain that. Now, you – got an explanation for that thing. But, you know what I mean?. You that’s what I’m talking about it. You got shit hanging out there you need to know Fingerprints and stuff found in places where you’ve been. places. You were friends of theirs, or been in the house or whatever. And that’s no big thing. But, weird shit like that bootie thing, that’s – that’s the kind of – G S G S G S G S I’ve been to the person’s house. what it is first. And then, you know how you’re gonna explain that shit.

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doesn’t make that much sense, uhm, the – so, for those to be her booties, that you gave her and someone did that, that’s kind of a stretch, I think. The trash can theory, where somebody, you know, went rummaging through the trash can and found the booties, and then, put gonna go kill somebody, they’re not gonna – I mean, if they know they’re You know, they’re not gonna – they’re not gonna go of stuff. Shit, they’ll just go buy them and put them on. The, third thing <Cough> S ‘em on, that doesn’t make sense either, because, when someone’s there, that’s one thing.

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one you do. And that’s the one they found. <Cough/clear-throat> S I think that’s gonna be a tough one to explain, personally. ‘Cause it – it maybe not tough to explain, but a tough one to solve to the G S G S How do they even know it’s my skin cell? Just ‘cause I

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question. And we don’t – we don’t remember how anybody got killed– and the jury writes the question asking, you know, how the people were killed. Then, he can answer that question, ‘cause it was already part of the trial. G S S S Mmnh-mmnh. <Clear-throat> <Cough> So, then –

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They didn’t say your name. But, I’ll just tell him that. Oh. I know, I’m – I’m pretty sure they’re talking about your

shit, ‘cause the – the way you described these guys from last night, that’s who these guys were. *** these other guys. And that’s – that’s not a <Cough/clear-throat> G S G S G S S together with Detective Small – Don’t*** Hmnh-hmnh. Yeah, they weren’t ***. coincidence.

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especially, if it’s – you know, there’s a lot of blood everywhere and stuff like that. <Clear-throat> S truthfully. shoes still at the person’s house. S S Well, you know, that’s – <Clear-throat> G *** throw it away. Try to get rid of the shit, mmnh, I mean, The majority of the cases, though, the detectives find the

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didn’t leave the country? Mmnh, I didn’t hear--? If you’re what?

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do something, sometimes that shit never comes up in court. If the – what happens in court is the prosecutor tells a story. <Cough> S They – they start off – and you see this in shows, too. They tell the jury, “This is what we’re gonna show. We’re gonna show that he killed people,” and duh, duh, duh. And then, the defense is gonna get up there and say “The

prosecutor is gonna tell you his story. But we are gonna have a story, too. We’re gonna have answers to things.” And then, they sit down and go systematically. But— <Clear-throat> S

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<Clear-throat> -- Then, that’s where you know where you stand with all the evidence. And then, the judge decides if there’s enough evidence to go and take it to trial. And then, they set a trial date for whenever— <Clear-throat> more complicated the trial, the further away they set things, because it -- It’s usually, you know, a month or so away. But, uh. The

get--get all the shit together. So, they’ll waive time, then, and drag it out. And then, eventually, you’ll go to trial. Most of the time, in trial, -<Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Clear-throat> So I can be fighting it for years, huh?

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whatever it’s gonna be. They may try – try all these cases together. Or they may try ‘em separate. You don’t know. <Clear-throat> I should call my attorney and tell him. Tell him what? That? Yeah. Oh, they – they already know that shit. They do it every day. No, about the detectives. Uhm, you can. He’s gonna ask you what they want. And

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talk to ‘em, to see what they say, so, you could tell him what they say – <Cough/clear-throat> S G S so. G arraignment for me anyway--mini-trial. <Cough> G S G S G S G What’s that? -- And what they ask you. *** attorney *** cases ***. Well, they may do that. But, at least, you know, see what

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case. So, I don’t know.”

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it was? G S G S G S G S G G S ***. *** makes *** trying to fish. <Cough/clear-throat> They’re fucking framing me, man. I said, “They’re fucking framing my ass,” ***, but I’ve done Mmnh. What’s that?

How come there’s been no physical abuse on the women I’ve Don’t know. I don’t if that will ever come up. I’ve been in no trouble, man.

dated, if that’s – that’s the case? <Clear-throat> <Cough> charging my ass?

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you know, there’s—uh – But, my caper, for example, there’s a fight. fight or even like what homeboy over here is here for. <Clear-throat/cough>

The cops get called. There’s a fight. They see marks on her.

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them, you wanna take care of the most obvious stuff, ‘cause you don’t wanna go to court and have some defense attorney ask you – you know, if you’re a cop, they ask you “Hey, well, did you ask anybody that?” If you say “No,” they’ll go “Well, why not? If you would have asked, you would have found out blah, you <Cough/clear-throat> S know.” So, they gotta go through the motions –

know, you’ve got, uh, an alibi; or you’ve got a place you were at; or you’ve got a witness who saw you somewhere else, or something like that. Then, they’ll go check on that to see if it’s, you know, accurate or true or whatever. So, they gotta talk to you. That’s – you know, they’re <Clear-throat/cough> G S G S G What’s that? gonna do that.

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fucking just discount that shit. G I’m not discounting it. But, uh, my DNA should be there. If I <Clear-throat> S G S G S G of. S G S G But, it’s just – That’s gonna be an important deal. <Cough> Yeah, it could. I’m not saying my DNA isn’t there. I mean, it is. knew the person, why wouldn’t it be there?

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You said – you said your mom My dad. My mom passed away. Oh. Does he know about all this shit, yet? He’s known about other shit for a long time. And they used to

and dad are still back in Chicago?

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your left pocket. Left pocket. All right. ***. Okay. G Thank you. <Close-cell door> <Cough/clear-throat> <Cough/clear-throat> <Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Sigh> <Cough/clear-throat> G D S G S The phones are out? I don’t know. *** – No. <Sigh> D S G Oh, ***. ***? <Unintelligible background noises> <Unintelligible background voices>

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-- Excuse me, sir. Yes? Uhm, the detectives told me I could call my attorney. But, the Well, that’s strange. It was working earlier. Uhm, I have *** Thank you, sir. <Unintelligible background noises> Yep. I know that’s off. ***Thank you. ***. Thank you. ****. <Chuckle> Thanks.

phone doesn’t work. find out what’s going on.

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gonna go full fledged without you. We don’t need you. But – Mmnh-mmnh. -- We wanna ask you what – we want a reason why you <Unintelligible background noises> Do they need a reason? Lights on. ***. <Beep> S D *** had this for breakfast. Me, too. That’s what I was thinking. <Beep> <Sniff>
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<Dial tone> God damn it. Why the hell are they refusing my call? <Beep> For English, dial 1. <Beep> Dial the phone number now. <Beep> <Clear-throat> Please say your name after the beep. <Beep> <Sigh> <Beep> quote, dial 7. <Beep> <Ring> <Dial tone>

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Yeah, hi. *** speaker phone. Just a minute. Are you there? Yeah, I’m here. Okay. So, I – I may have to get a hold of, uh, ***, <Clear-throat> -- Uh, Purcells. And he, uh, -- he tell me a lot , but it appears

that there’s gonna be, uhm, --hang on, I am still looking for my notes right –there’s gonna be –uh—two other-uh- two other cases at some point. And, uh, we should – <Cough/clear-throat> U G U -- Are you there? Yeah, I’m here.

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guy. U U G U G U G U U G privately? U Yeah. Mike, Mike, listen to me ***. Yeah, yeah. Mike. Are you there? I’m here. Okay. Yeah.

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see him. G U – houses. Like I’m supposed to know the situations of these houses or the U No, I understand. I mean, we’re gonna – we’re gonna try and G All I know is I’m scared of my life. And for all these homicide No, I understand that. I don’t disagree with you. But, the, uh I mean, I’m a business guy. I’ve been – been to many cases to be coming on my tail is just a little bit ridiculous.

get to the bottom of everything. But, uh, if, for some reason, you get moved back to Twin Towers before we talk to you, call and let us know that you’re there. That way, we can try and get, uh – U G U G U G U U G -- A person and get all this kind of ironed out, I guess. But, in the meantime, I guess, we’re gonna just try and get a Because they’re not giving me any phone calls. I’m sorry? In Twin Towers, they won’t give me phone calls. And you’re saying you wanna call your attorney? I tried to call him. And they cancel out the phone, right away. You – you were trying to call Twin Towers. But, we’re saying No, I’m trying to call you when I’m at Twin Towers. When I We – we talked to them. You mean, on our end of things? You – uh, no, as soon as I try to call you, the Twin Towers
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cancels it out, before it goes to you. U G U G U That’s odd. And other people were complaining, too, they were trying to Were you able – were you able to get through to Anna once I can’t call Anna or nothing. She has no idea.

call their family and stuff. And they would just click it out. you’re back there?

something? All right. Well, I guess, if we don’t hear from you, then, we’ll assume that you’re back there. And we’ll try and, uhm – yeah, we’ll – we’ll either try and figure – we’ll get – we’ll get down there to see you, one way or the other. G U G U U G U U U How is Anna feeling about this?

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Uh, is there anything else that Uh, that – just that I love ‘em and whatever I could do, uhm, ***. What was that? ***.

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get in touch with these others and try and figure stuff out. And, if you get – I mean, if you get around to a phone later, you can try and call back. Uh, Anthony should be back in the office, at some point this afternoon. But, it’s hard to say when. U G have that? U G U G U G U U G U U U G U G G G That’s at three o’clock. Okay. *** at 3:00. ***. Thank you very much. *** Yeah, well, -I’m sorry? G When are you gonna have a conference call with my family? A conference call with – with my family, when are you gonna

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the shit. And, uh, hopefully, they’re gonna arraign me this afternoon. *** 1:30 or whatever– <Cough/clear-throat> Wayside job.

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if the homicide happened at nighttime or whatever time it happened, that a witness could see someone in the – in the – in the dark. D S D G D D G D G D G G D G D Yeah. *** lighting and ***. It just doesn’t make sense. All these happened at night, then, I guess? <Clear-throat> <Sigh> Yeah, you – yeah, he’s right. *** it’s gotta be hard at night.

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said that I have two extra cases. D G D G D D From where? El Monte? And this one. And this one? <Cough/clear-throat> tell me much. Mmnh. <Unintelligible background noises> Mmnh. 22:33-22:35> <Cough/clear-throat> <Cough/clear-throat> G trouble. And I ***. D G D D G D They said they learned that just *** – their ***. But, they didn’t

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*** That’s unusual to have them coming at you ***. They don’t like me. I’m telling you, dude.

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me either. Fuck, man. They’re not doing that shit.

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threatened them. Saying he’s teaching em self defense. ***.

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know –So – <Clear-throat> S The insanity pleas-- sometimes that – that people have an issue with it just like with cookies and the kid. If they come clean with the stuff. People have a tendency to ***. *** backed into the corner, or, you another issue of not telling the truth. *** all that shit to worry about. S know, whatever like that. But, it’s gonna – it – it does become uh<Clear-throat>

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<Cough/clear-throat> <No audible response> A detective wanna talk to you. Come over. Uh--you can leave

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to me. And they’re – they’re bogus. S G S G A lot of the same shit – stabbings and all that? I have no idea. Did they –

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the County Jail, using Inmate Communications. The charge for this call is $6.60 for the first minute. One dollar for each additional minute. Thank you for using Inmate Communications. U G U G U G U U G U G Hello? This is Carrie. Hi. Who’s this?

visiting me from everywhere saying the same Yeah, this is getting to be bullshit. Hello, Mike? Are you okay?

Uh, let me get – let me get Anthony, Michael. Yeah. Hold on. Hold on, Michael. Anthony, this is way out of hand.

I’m not okay. They got detectives coming from all different

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nothing about what you know or don’t know directly. But, the other thing is, uh – I mean, it could just be this stuff is – is – they’re bluffing. You know, I don’t know. And the short answer is “I don’t know what’s going on, at this point.” I think we just have to wait a lot of – pardon the French – but, you know, s-h-i-t hitting the fan. and see how this is gonna play out. Obviously, needless to say, there’s Uhm, you know, one of two things is going on. Either you’re a suspect in all of these things, and the detectives became aware of you, for some reason, and they’re hoping to sort of hit the jackpot, if you will. Or, you know, they actually do have some physical evidence. But, I mean, the bottom line is, what you should do right now your lawyer about it and your advice was simply not to talk about <Cough/clear-throat> U is – is, again, just refer to me and just tell ‘em that you need to talk to anything.

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talking.” G U G U That’s what I did. Yeah, and, uh, you know – That’s what I said. “We’re just gonna have to – we have I mean, it’s – it’s – obviously, this is speculation. But, it

enough to – seems to me that they wouldn’t be asking you really basic questions like kind of questions? G U

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holes. But, you know, if they had anything akin to what they have in don’t know. DNA, they probably wouldn’t need to ask you much else. got to be, obviously, be a stressful thing. I’m curious to find out myself what the deal is with this. G U All I know is they’re trying – uh, someone’s out framing my It is peculiar. I have way too much to lose to – to – for all this bullshit to be Well, we’ll start getting some answers sooner or later. I

ass. And I could swear that on my life. This is just bullshit. G U

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Actually, you’re family’s about to call now. G U minute. G U Thank you. *** and what I’ll do is, uh, you know, I’m – well, I’m gonna, Okay. And, uh, I think 3:00 is the time. So, she should call any

you know, I’m gonna call these detectives up. We’ve already started the contact, if you can. G

It’s just everyone’s hitting me. And they’re – they’re lying.

And, you know, the funny thing, Anthony, is they all have the same thing. Someone picked me up out of a photo line-up. We have physical keep saying the same thing. So, they’re full of B.S. -- you gave, what other detectives names and numbers have contacted you. How many do you have? U G U U U G U G G G G Uh, G. Toledo just came by from the Downey. Uh, say that again. G. – Is that the first – uh, just the letter G.? Yeah. T-o-l-e-d-o, Toledo. Toledo, like the city in Ohio? Yep. And, uh, what – what police agency is that? It’s, uhm, Downey. I’m sorry, what one? Downey.
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And this is all I’m saying. If – if I had estimates or jobs – uh, Wait. I mean, I don’t know how much time we’re gonna have Okay. So, let me ***

this is just out of hand.

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detectives’ names and numbers you have? here. Just sit here?

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Yeah. You got that one, too? I got it. Okay. ***. ***. ***. Just so you know.

been to them. And they have all the same stories. We’ll get to the bottom of it. Thank you.

We’ll get to the bottom soon enough. Uh, okay. I mean, as

unfortunately. Obviously, yeah, you know, if you didn’t get transported don’t have to talk to them. G U Okay.

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with some information. I mean, they, obviously, have a right to investigate. But, whether or not they are gonna find anything sufficient to convince the D.A. to charge you is another matter. So – G G U G U G U G U G U G They all have the same funny stories. That’s kind of odd. It’s way odd. <Cough/clear-throat>

not talk about that right now. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Okay, Mike. Thank you. All right. Bye.

I mean, I’m – I’m – you know, we’ll – we’ll go in to see you.

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Yeah? They are so full of shit. Every case is exactly the same. No Well, just understand that these guys operate the same way.

case is the same, you know that. They get witnesses. They get DNA. They get, you know, their shit. So, But, they’re gonna say – G S G S G S G S G S same type of knife.

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always gonna interview you. They’re always gonna, you know – Mmnh-mmnh. The what?

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know. G S G S G S G S G S G S G S *** on Maria Rodriguez. I never heard the person. Who? A Maria Rodriguez? I’ve never even heard of the person. Yeah, there’s many of them. They asked me “Did you work there?” ***. And then, “I don’t Mmnh. So, they lie. <Cough/clear-throat>

Well, it makes you wonder how come they waited so long, Mmnh-mmnh. What?

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wall and drop down. ***. Mmnh-mmnh. If I can, if they’re not watching it.

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have more than two jailers – or three that I seen. You know, if they were that, at the same time. I don’t know what the deal is. S G S G S S G Yeah. Did they make you go through, uh – through the metal Mmnh-mmnh. Did it? Yeah. But they don’t know ***. Yeah, they made me go through that, too. With metal on it? Yeah. There was a lot – I had metal, you know, zippers and <Cough/clear-throat> G S Ole boy is gone. He, uh – well, he went to fucking court, dude, on his

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be back anytime. They might fucking ***. G S S G S G S G S G S G S G S They’re trying to charge me with every little fucking case, ***. Yeah. <Clear-throat> do they leave you in there? By myself. Do they? In handcuffs, *** to the chair. Uh-huh. Do they shut the door? Uh-huh. Oh, they handcuff you to the chair? So, next time they come in to interview you, you know, ***, How the fuck do I protect myself?

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I mean, how do you get from inside here outside that wall? No, I understand that. But, I mean, from there, let’s say you <Whistle> <Sigh> <Whistle>

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<LAPSE TIME: no intelligible conversation; Transcript Time 25:20-25:21> <Clear-throat> <Unintelligible background noises> <Cough/clear-throat> <Cough/clear-throat> So, did they – you did some of those, huh? Huh? <Unintelligible background noises>

You did some of those, huh? Probably not all of them. But, What? Nah-a None of them. Nah.

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heading down the road. G S Shh--*** you know nothing, man. No, no, I – dude, I ain’t gonna say shit. I’m gonna say “He

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fucking get the grab back on you, ‘cause, when they do— S G S S S S S --It’s gonna look – it’s gonna look like shit on your cases. Are you willing to face five murder cases, dude? Oh, fuck, no. Fuck-- no, you know. You got nothing to lose. <Cough> You think it’s strong enough? Mmnh? You think it’s strong enough? Mmnh-mmnh. All I have to do is push the little wheel. Oh, and you’ll go -- so, you’re not making the key. You’re <Unintelligible background voices< S --That’s a good idea.
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<Clear-throat> ***, but I’m wondering if it’s locked, you can still open it? What’s that? If it’s locked, you can still open it? The side part? I don’t know. I don’t know. I know, if it’s locked, you can’t.

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Yeah. -- Whatever, *** check it out. *** – yeah, you’re right. They do. They’ll be in serious shit, dude. <Clear-throat/cough> Well, it’ll show the – the preservative, ***. There would be <Cough/clear-throat> <Whistle> <Sigh> That agent ***. And, especially, if it’s spoiled.

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even seen that knife in my life. Well, maybe it ain’t yours. And they told me my fingerprints on it. What? Yeah.
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<Sigh> Well, they have to prove that one up won’t they? <Sigh> I think, then, they could lie and write a false report and *** Well, I’ll tell you what, just a little advice. I’m worried about The only thing I know about is the number one thing. fingerprints report ***. the stuff that you did, not the stuff that they’re gonna manufacture.

Yeah. I know we’re talking about that. But, shit, dude. Anything else, completely – they’re so fucking wrong. I had All right. I’m not – you know, it’s you, dude. I wasn’t there. Yeah, I – I know that. I’m just, you know – I hate to see you <Unintelligible background noises> -- But, I, also, know that – When he meant that they were gonna throw evidence in They’re gonna what? <Unintelligible background noises> *** evidence in every case, they found my hair floating around So, they went around and sprinkled your hair? <Unintelligible background noises/voices> How many eyewitnesses do they have? *** Every case that they have, they have a eyewitness. Do you believe ‘em?
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Im – possible. Okay. Why? ‘Cause you weren’t there? Or just – Yeah. -- You were talking about being nighttime. That was gonna Yeah. <Clear-throat> So – Man, I don’t know. It’s all bullshit. <Cough> I – I know, I know.

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coming in police cars and lugging their shit ***. so. G D Yeah, I’m fucking – I’m totally – I – I gotta be honest with you. I don’t think you have to worry I’ve never been to Downey, dude – Well, listen. -- In this person’s house. I – okay. I understand that. Okay. But, that’s – If so, maybe a job I did. But, I don’t remember. Mmnh. But, fucking, they’re fricking full of shit, dude.
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wouldn’t worry about the ones you didn’t do. Fuck it, dude, I mean, you got too much to worry right now. You got – you got all this on your plate. So, you need to get rid of the ones that you didn’t – that – that you got no connection, at all. Now, push them out of the way. Okay. Gone. <Clear-throat> G D G D G D G D They’re charging me for every one. <Clear-throat> I’m sorry? And what’s that? How many? They’re charging me for every one. Everything else, you’re gonna focus on.

Well, okay. The one you talked about in Downey, if you didn’t Dude, this is just outta hand. You get into trouble once, and No, I understand that. I get the idea. Well, we talked about <Cough> I don’t even know what fucking house. What – they asked <Cough/clear-throat> The Downey? Yeah. I mean, you probably wouldn’t know. They said “Did you hand out a flyer or something?” *** hand out a flyer? From my business.
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