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Transcript*Time* 25:35 Real*Time*June*18 ,* 2008,*3:23*pm

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D

Oh.

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G

“We just need an explanation.” And then, I said “You know

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what? I don’t know. I don’t remember.”

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D

Well –

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G

*** the guy. I could have been in the house like. “Okay.

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Well, anyways, we’re charging you, because we know you did it. And

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someone saw you come out right after the –“

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<Whistle>

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J

Mr. Baker, your attorney ***.

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S

Fucking A, It’s about time.

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D

***show up?

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S

Mmnh. Yeah.

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<Open-cell door>

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J

***.

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S

*** bastard.

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D

Hmmnh.

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<Staley exits cell> <Transcript Time 25:36>

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<Close-cell door>

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<Clear-throat>

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J

***.

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<Unintelligible background noises/voices>

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G

*** in cuffs?

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U

Huh?

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G

*** out of hand cuffs ***.

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D

You’re here for murder. I’m here for beating my old lady.

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G

Isn’t he in for murder?

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D

Manslaughter. There’s a big difference, you know. They – I

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think they base it on the circumstance. But, you know what, dude?

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Don’t worry it.

 

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G

I’m fucking scared of my life, dude. This is bullshit.

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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<Sigh>

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G

They’re fucking tacking everything on my tail. Lying,

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cheating, stealing.

 

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<Sigh>

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G

They tell me I looked the first one in the eyes the witness.

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D

They did?

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G

<No audible response>

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D

I wonder what that’s all about. Why does – why does that

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even matter?

 

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<Chuckle>

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D

Okay. So, you push the Downey one out the way. And now

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you deal with the other ones.

Listen, I wouldn’t worry too much about

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them – making up shit.

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G

Man, that’s what –

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D

That’s what your attorney’s gonna find out.

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G

They’re telling me they’re charging me for these.

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D

I understand that. Okay. You – you knew that was

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happening.

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G

Yeah.

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D

Okay. They must have something in common that makes

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them believe that – that you’re the guy. Now, it could be just the MO. Or

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it could be some kind of evidence like an eyewitness or DNA, or both—

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<Sigh>

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D

You know. You know?

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<Clear-throat>

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G

<No audible response>

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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D

Hmnh.

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<LAPSE TIME: no intelligible conversation; Transcript Time

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25:40: 25:43>

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***.

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D

Huh, Hmnh.

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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<Water flow>

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G

Well, what are you facing, man?

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D

You know what, man? I – uh, everything should go as – as I

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think it’s gonna go. I’m probably gonna get, uh, uhm, a County lid, uhm,

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which means that, if I –

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<Flush-toilet>

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<Unintelligible background noises/voices>

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D

I’ll probably get a year. ***, because it’s at the County, all I’m

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gonna have to do is like, uh, 25 percent –

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<Cough>

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D

-- Which means three months.

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G

<Whisper> *** key *** I’ll make a key, Do you think it’ll work?

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D

I know. All right. It might. I will ***uh.

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G

<Whisper> ***.

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D

Well, ***, right?

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G

<Whisper>

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D

Oh, yeah. You know what? If ***. Yeah, it would work.

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Okay. This is how you do it. ***.

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G

Mmnh-mmnh.

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D

Okay. You stick it in there where

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that little slot is. You stick it in there and move it up against that round

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circle. And just drag it around. Okay.

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G

***.

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D

Yeah.

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G

You know what I’m saying?

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D

Yeah--Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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G

***.

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D

Yeah. It’s a round circle with a – little a little slot --

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G

Mmnh-mmnh.

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D

***. Put it in the slot and move it up and grab it. It’ll work.

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G

*** flat.

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D

Yeah. Yeah. Put it inside first. Then, move it around.

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G

***with it?

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D

Oh, we got a problem. Yeah, we got a problem. You gotta

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get something stiffer than that.

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G

Shit. ‘Cause you do know that fucking conference room ***.

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D

Which conference room?

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G

Right up there.

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D

Oh, is that where you went?

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G

Mmnh-mmnh.

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D

I don’t know where that is – but –

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G

If you look this way, across the***.

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D

Oh, the one with the – with the, uh – the – with the

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mirrored lining -- the mirrored glass, the conference room?

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G

No, it’s around –***.

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D

Oh, okay. Okay. ‘Cause ***.

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G

Yeah.

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D

*** Well, you know about that shit

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than I do, air conditioning guy.

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<Clear-throat>

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D

You have to pick a time.

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G

***.

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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D

Well, you’re supposed to, if you’re a K-10 – you’re High

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Power, you’re fucking locked up, dude. It’s like they have to. They

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fucked up. Yeah, you’re right, last night was.

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G

*** nothing to do with shit -- nothing. ***, dude.

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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D

Okay. Well, *** only option you got, right?

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G

How do you fucking come up with an option on a person --

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people you don’t even know?

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D

I don’t know. Let’s look at it, though. They got your DNA.

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They got eyewitnesses.

Uh, you’re gonna have a hard time explaining

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it. Can it be done? Yes, you can. Why? You’re a foreman. Or you’re –

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you’re – you’re a heating electrical guy, right?

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G

<No audible response>

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D

Okay. That’s enough. Right?

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G

<No audible response>

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D

Well, okay, so, we explain it away. You do like you’re doing

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right now, just fucking hammer at them. Hammer, hammer, hammer.

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Uh, no acting, uh, just fucking keep hitting ‘em. No, no, no, no. no.

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That’s one way.

Right? It’s a hard way to go. Like I – I don’t know if I’d

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do it. I probably would. I don’t know. Uhm, --

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G

Dude, I can’t believe *** all this shit.

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D

***?

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G

*** case.

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D

Why don’t you make a deal?

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G

<No audible response>

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D

I’ll tell you. Fuck, I’ll tell you something.

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G

*** make a deal? Uh, shit, you don’t even know –

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D

Well, no, I – I meant – absolutely, no.

But, if I – if I knew I

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was gonna get fucked, knowing that they got the goods on me –

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<Cough>

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D

-- And they had the goods on me, then, what I would do –

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fuck it. Let me tell you something.

 

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<Clear-throat>

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D

You know – you know those – you know all those girls that

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were killed, they all have families. Okay. And you don’t think those

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families are calling those Homicide detectives every fucking day to find

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out what the hell happened to their – their precious little daughter?

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G

Mmnh-mmnh.

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D

Okay. It’s very, very stressful and a lot of pressure for those

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guys, I’m sure. Okay. They are dying to clear cases.

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G

Why would I wanna sit in jail for the rest of my life, when I

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haven’t done anything?

 

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D

I wouldn’t do any of it, dude. If you didn’t do it, fuck it. Fight it

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and make them prove everything. That’s what I’d do. If you didn’t do it,

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fucking make ‘em prove –

 

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G

They’ll give me a fucking lifetime, even if you didn’t do it,

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man.

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D

Hey, you – have you ever taken fucking meds? Like psych

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meds?

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G

No.

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D

Never? Do – do you ever feel like

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you should?

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G

Maybe.

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D

Then, do you think maybe you could, uh, exploit that?

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G

Anxiety attacks *** defense.

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D

Hey, remember the guy that shot President Reagan? A guy

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named Hinckley.

 

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G

Mmnh-mmnh.

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D

You know what they did? You know – you know, when he

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went home for a – well, hell, he might even be released.

The guy that

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shot the fricking president, got out. And you – you think he spent a day

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in prison?

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<Chuckle>

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D

No. He spent it in fucking – he spent it in a psyche hospital.

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G

For how long?

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D

Huh?

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G

For how long was he there?

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D

Fifteen years.

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G

***a long time, dude.

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D

But, my point to you is, if you didn’t do it, then, fight it.

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G

***.

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D

Why not? Fucking ***. You know what I mean? *** doing

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that shit ***. So, if you’re a smart guy, and you know how to fucking play

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the game –

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G

***.

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D

You probably have, uh, maybe ***, you know, once in a while.

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But, most of the time, it’s just bullshit, you know. Uh, I don’t – I don’t

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think it’s ***. Yeah, It’s nothing like High Power either.

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G

Dude, I can’t believe I’m looking

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at a jail term for shit I didn’t do.

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D

Well, then fight it, uh, you know, --

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G

*** for one little case.

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D

*** fight it off –

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G

One little case.

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D

Fight fucking everything. If you didn’t do it, fucking fight it.

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Don’t let them railroad you.

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G

Oh, dude.

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D

But, if you did, start thinking – start fucking thinking, man.

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Start fucking thinking. That’s all I can tell you. Start thinking about a

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way –

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G

Why would I wanna lose my family?

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D

No, I understand that.

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G

A smart guy like me? Why am I gonna be dumb?

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D

No, you’re a businessman. You’re a smart guy. So, this is

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what you do. If you did it, start thinking about – say, okay, “Fellas, I’m

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gonna make a deal. You do this for me, I’ll do this for you.” And if they

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say “No, no, no,” say “Fuck it. Fucking everything’s off the table.” And

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they’ll fucking jump at you. *** -- but, that’s only if you did it.

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<Clear-throat>

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D

If you didn’t do it, fight on.

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G

Don’t you think my attorney would tell me what to do?

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D

Yeah, he’ll tell you what to do.

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G

When he meets with me?

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D

Yeah, he’ll tell you exactly what to do. He’ll assess it and

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look at it. The only reason I’m talking about it is that I get tired of – I hear

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people – I see people all the time that I talk to. And they – they sit

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around and let their attorney come up with a

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with a – the – the attorney come up with an alibi or – or a story. And

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you figure they could probably, if they’re smart enough, make up a much

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better story. That’s all.

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But, if I didn’t do it, I’d let my attorney do almost everything. If

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honestly, if I was – if I was innocent of murder, I would let my attorney

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do everything.

 

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G

Man, I’m a hundred percent innocent.

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D

Well, then, let your – fucking make your attorney work – earn

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his fucking – earn his – earn his shit. Make him ***.

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G

A hundred percent.

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D

Yeah.

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G

I can’t believe they’re tacking this shit down on me, because

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of one stupid case from my blood ***.

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D

Mmnh. Make him – make him earn it, then, you know. It’s

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gonna be a long haul for you. But, I would not ever – ever tell you to, uh,

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plead guilty to anything that you didn’t do. That’s fucking bull-shit. Or

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even making a deal. That’s not – fuck that. But, dude, if they got – if

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they got shit that’s gonna put you there – I mean, I don’t know what they

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have. But, if they do, uhm, you better start thinking of shit, one way or

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the other.

 

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<Unintelligible background noises/voices>

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D

That was a short visit.

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<Unintelligible background noises/voices>

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J

Come on in.

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<Open-cell door>

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D

That was a short visit.

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That’s right.

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<Unintelligible background noises/voices>

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J

Hey. Hey, give me fucking Baker. Get him back over here.

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J

What? All right. Baker? Apparently, he is not done with you.

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S

***.

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J

Come on.

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J

Are you coming?

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J

***

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J

He’s coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<Unintelligible background noises/voices>

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<Close-cell door>

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D

What the fuck? Huh.

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<Unintelligible background noises/voices>

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D

I guess his attorney had more to say.

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<Chuckle>

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<Sigh>

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<Cough>

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G

If they have all this shit from years ago, then, why didn’t they

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arrest me then?

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D

I don’t know, man. I don’t know.

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G

That’s all I’m saying.

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D

Yeah.

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G

There’s no new developments. If they have witnesses from

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the beginning – what? They just have witnesses all of a sudden now?

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D

I don’t know.

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G

I know. They’re full of shit, dude. They’re doing everything to

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plant – *** on my ass because they have no other evidence. They find

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the one that’s got the record and now all this

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shit’s going down, and they place it on him. That’s what happens all the

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time, dude.

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<Unintelligible background noises/voices>

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G

When I knew my DNA was taken, why would I be dumb

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enough to go into – into anyone’s house? They’re so full of shit.

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D

Man,

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<Cough>

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D

I don’t know. ***.

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G

Maria Rodriguez, who the fuck is that?

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D

Who? Maria Rodriguez?

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G

I ‘ve no idea, man.

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D

Well, then, don’t fucking worry about it. Don’t even worry

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about it. Worry about the other ones, dude. Seriously, worry about, the,

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the ones that we’ve talked about. Worry about those – the Chicago one,

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fucking, uh – uh, whatever – the LAPD one the – the – the El Monte one.

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Was there another?

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G

<No audible response>

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D

Chicago, El Monte, LAPD – I don’t know. You said that

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Downey is fucking out of the picture. Fuck it. It’s out of the picture.

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G

I’m fucking hungry, dude.

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D

You’re hungry?

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G

<No audible response>

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D

Did you eat those apples?

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<Chuckle>

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G

*** this one here, I’m gonna eat it though.

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D

Then, eat it , dude. Good for you.

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G

Oh, my God. They said they had other detectives that wants

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to come and speak to me from Monterey

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Park.

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D

Really?

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G

Yeah.

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D

All right. Now, another fucking case –

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G

Yeah

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<Chuckle>

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G

They all have the same story. They have my physical

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evidence and they’re gonna charge, because they have a witness, DNA.

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<Chuckle>

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G

It doesn’t make sense, huh? What’s the likelihood of a

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witness ***.

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D

Well, you know, I’m thinking, uh, if, uh – if it’s done at night,

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uh, *** not – not too likely, I guess.

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G

If it’s for them to lie man and say this person’s in a lot of

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trouble with this many homicides. Might as well just say he did it, they

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won’t let me go free.

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<Laughter>

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D

Yeah, man, they’re like dogs with bones, you know, they ain’t

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gonna let go.

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<Unintelligible background nosies /voices>

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D

So, what kind of – what you, what you think, uh, what kind of

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mental, uh, problem do you got? Anxiety?

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G

I ‘ve ***, dude.

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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D

If you decided to go that way, would you –sa –what – which

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one would you pick? Or which one are you?

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G

I could say “I black out, I don’t remember.”

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*** bi-polar, fucking manic

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depressive, --

 

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G

Then—then, they give you fucking medicine , ‘cause I’m

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gonna start freaking out, ‘cause you’re not *** –

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<Chuckle>

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D

No, not if –Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, what ***, man,

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you know.

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<UninteIligible background noises>

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D

I mean, I don’t – I don’t know – what kind- what kind of ***got.

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G

Would you take medicines for shit that you weren’t? –

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D

***. No, well I’ll tell you what. If – if it was – if it was that

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choice, and you’d be, uh, maybe, uh – uhm, stay – uh, spend the rest of

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my life in prison or worse, I might think about it.

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G

I’ll have my attorney come up with a case *** .

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D

I’m sorry. You’ll have to say it again.

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G

I’ll have my attorney come up with a – a plan that they’ve

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been throwing everything on me.

That it’s LA and they’re crooked.

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D

Yeah. It’s a tough one to prove, though, man.

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G

No way, man, they’re crooked.

It’s been on the news.

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D

Ah –

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G

People-false line-ups. Detectives doing that – detectives

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doing that.

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D

But, you know—

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<Unintelligible background noises/voices>

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D

I ‘m just trying to be real here. I’ll like –I try to –

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G

They all have the same – how the fuck could they have the

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same evidence for every case?

 

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D

I don’t know.

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G

It’s impossible.

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D

I don’t know. They all have DNA?

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G

They said they had the same physical evidence for every

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case that link me to them.

 

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D

I don’t know. Maybe – I don’t know. I mean, you know—

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<Laughter>

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D

I don’t know. If they ha, if they had DNA and an eyewitness

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for every single one that seems kind of unlikely to me. But, --

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G

Every one they said they have witnesses. “Witness” could be

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– mean anything. That, they’ve seen me before.

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D

Yeah.

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G

It doesn’t mean that –

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D

Yeah. Yeah. I know that guy, I’ve seen them around here

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before.

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G

Doesn’t mean that they put me there.

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D

So, yeah.

Yeah. That’s right. You see, you – you got – it

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seems to me, ***, uh, benefit of having a job like you have, and being in

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plenty of people’s houses.

Everybody needs air conditioning and

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heating.

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G

Why would I be on the Better Business Bureau list then?

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D

I don’t know.

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G

A Triple A rating.

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D

Yeah.

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G

A triple A rating – the best – if I’m in so much trouble?

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D

Yeah, you get – too busy doing other things to be out slicing

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girls up. Right?

 

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G

Oh, God. hell, yeah. You know what they’re trying to do?

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Cause I used to pull up Bundy *** my wife ***. She’s doing the different

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reports. They got that on my computer. So,

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that’s what they’re trying to -

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S

Oh, like serial killers ***?

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G

Yeah. Yeah. That’s what they’re doing, man.

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D

Yeah, could be. Could be, you know. But, you know, I don’t

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know. Maybe guys – uh, uh, maybe serial killers do that shit. I don’t

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know.

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G

Maybe serial killers do what?

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D

You know what I mean? Look at the other people’s work, you

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know.

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<Laughter>

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G

You, you’ve never looked up, uh, Bundy and all that shit?

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D

Oh, sure, you know, I’ll watch – watch documentaries on it.

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And I ***.

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G

I didn’t know much about him. I just pulled him up just

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different stuff.

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D

Yeah.

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G

‘Cause my wife was doing a report.

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D

Oh, is that right? For school?

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G

That was for her sake.

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D

Yeah. Yep, oh, I’ll tell you what. They were smart little

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fuckers, though, those ones whose names are out there, right?

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G

<No audible response>

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D

You gotta admire that. You got to admire the John Gottis, uh,

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too, man, the one with the serial murders, ‘cause they’re smart crooks.

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G

Did John Gotti die ?

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D

Yes.

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G

When did he die?

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D

Uh, awhile back fuck, five years

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ago, something like that – all I remember wa-was I thought it was cancer.

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I’m not sure.

 

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<Sigh>

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G

Isn’t that great? They all have all this physical evidence, but,

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there’s no cuts on my hands, only one, no scars anywhere?

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D

Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean that’s --***

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G

<Laughs>

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D

-- You know, I don’t know. I don’t know how they ***.

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G

He was looking at me like “Let me see your left hand. Let me

11

see your palm.” Mmnh.

12

 

D

*** So what if you do? What if you have scars? You know,

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you’re –you’re a –

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<Cough>

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D

You have –

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G

I’m just saying I don’t – that’s the thing.

17

D

But, even if you did, you’re doing a job where you’re *** in air

18

conditioning.

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G

I know. But, still, I don’t – that’s the thing.

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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<Sigh>

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G

Where they’re gonna have me in fucking the prison now? ***

23

jail.

24

 

D

Oh, okay. ***?

25

G

Yeah.

26

D

Phew, I don’t know, man. See, now, there’s – there’s – that’s

27

possible because if they feel they aren’t – if they’re not just pulling your

28

leg. You’re here. You’re not watching TV. They’re not trying to scare you

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if they put out a press release. You’re not

2

watching. Everybody else has been but you. So—

3

I think what they’re trying to do is to get people to come forward.

4

They feel they got enough to put out a press release then, wait for the

5

phone calls to ring. Just a guess, ‘cause it doesn’t affect you personally.

6

I mean, that – you know, they’re not saying “Ooh, we’re gonna scare him,

7

you know, and – and we’ll get him to come in and – and, uh, -- uh,

8

confess to all these.” Uh, ‘cause you, you don’t even know what’s

9

happening. You’re in here. I don’t know.

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<Yawn>

11

D

What do your parents have to say about all of this shit, man?

12

G

My mom is dead.

13

D

Really?

14

G

Yeah.

15

D

When did she die?

16

G

Like two or three yr– two years ago.

17

D

How old was she?

18

G

Sixty-two.

19

D

That’s too fricking ***

20

G

*** aneurysm because of the-high blood pressure

21

***constantly, tearing her door down every year, messing up the house.

22

D

What the hell, man? She was too young to die then.

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<Unintelligible background noises/voices>

24

G

What cell are they gonna have me in jail? They’re gonna

25

make it worse, huh?

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D

Yeah. They’ll probably put you in High Power.

27

G

In what?

28

D

High Power.

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G

Where’s that? down there?

2

D

Uhm – uh, -- uh, at, uh – uh, what’s it called? Central Jail.

3

G

That’s where I’ve been – in High Power.

4

D

Yeah.

5

G

***.

6

D

But, they put you down here.

7

<Sigh>

8

<Unintelligible background noises>

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<Open-cell door>

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<Staley re-enters cell.> <Transcript Time 26:09>

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U

***.

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<Unintelligible background noises>

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<Close-cell door>

14

D

What the hell was that all about? Did, did your attorney have

15

a second, uh – uh, he forgot to tell you something?

16

S

Yeah. I – I gotta sign some fucking papers.

17

D

Yeah.

18

S

You know, I didn’t – we got to talking and I didn’t fucking sign

19

‘em when I walked back.

20

D

Uh-huh.

21

S

So, he can get paid.

22

D

Oh.

23

S

Of course, he’s gonna call me back for that ***.

24

<Cough/clear-throat>

25

S

Well, they got to *** some point in time, ***. I said “So, what

26

do they got?” I said “Dude, what the fuck? I was hoping you’d tell me.”

27

 

<Chuckle>

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S

It’s hot in here.

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D

Yeah.

2

S

It’s hot in the afternoon, get fucking warm –get you to work.

3

D

Oh, yeah. ***.

4

S

Yep.

5

<Yawn>

6

D

So, he doesn’t know what’s gonna happen with it?

7

S

Well, he, uh – he got the paper work on the arraignment

8

today. Uhm, he’s gonna see about getting me fucking a bail deviation,

9

bail reduction.

10

D

Oh.

11

S

So, if that happens, I might be able to make bail. Hmnh.

12

D

Cool.

13

S

Yeah.

14

D

Then, what?

15

S

Well, fuck then – maybe I’ll get out here.

16

D

Yeah.

17

S

But, I don’t know. Uh, they may – you know, I don’t think

18

they’re gonna give me a fucking bail to be honest with you. I think he’s

19

just stroking me.

20

D

Did he tell you how much time you’re looking at if you’re

21

found guilty?

22

 

<Yawn>

23

S

No. Shit, dude, I could be – I could be doing, uh, three, six or

24

nine. It ain’t gonna be three, ‘cause I got prior shit. So, if I’m lucky, it

25

could be six.

26

D

Yeah, but, doesn’t he think you can beat your fucking case?

27

S

Well, ***, I’m just saying if I get convicted of-– I think I can

28

beat it.

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D

***. You know what? That’s a –

2

to me, that’s a case, uh, worth, uh – worth fighting right there, because –

3

S

Yeah. Oh, I’ll fight it. ***.

4

D

-- Yeah. ‘Cause that’s a fist fight, man.

5

S

Oh, I’ll go with a fucking self-defense thing, man.

6

D

Yeah.

7

S

This shit was four – four and-a-half years ago. There ain’t

8

gonna be nobody around remember *** ‘cause nobody was around to

9

begin with, so –

 

10

D

Yeah.

11

<Clear-throat>

12

D

You guys, you know what?

13

<Cough>

14

D

You see the – you see boxers getting – uh, you know, during

15

– during the boxing match, uh – uh, if one of them go down, and – and

16

fucking end up dying, later –

17

S

Yeah. Well, that’s, you know –uh, yeah, I – I’m sure there’s

18

some kind of an exception if somebody goes - it’s like football and the

19

guys –

20

D

Yeah.

21

S

-- Getting paralyzed and shit, too.

22

D

Yeah. But, you’re out, you know, you’re drinking in the bar,

23

you go outside. Somebody throws a punch.

24

S

Yeah.

Well, the good news is they can’t interview that

25

mother fucker.

26

 

<Laughter>

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<Clear-throat>

28

D

That’s true.

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<Unintelligible background

2

noises>

3

S

You got that right.

4

<Yawn>

5

S

Homeboy tell you about, uh – you know, the police

6

department *** showing up?

7

D

Yeah.

8

S

Fu-u-ck.

9

D

Well, you know – **** – he, uh, was scared

10

as shit.

11

S

Yeah.

12

D

Nobody wants to get the needle.

13

S

Mmnh.

14

<Cough/clear-throat>

15

S

Uhm, when was the last time you were down in Mexico?

16

D

Me?

17

S

Yeah. Been to Mexico lately?

18

D

Ah, no. It’s been years. Why?

19

S

No, I’m just – if things get too fucking shitty –

20

D

Yeah, you wanna go?

21

S

-- I may, yeah –

22

D

Yeah, well

23

S

-- Retire down there, you know.

24

D

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yep.

25

G

When are you planning on getting up there?

26

S

What’s that?

27

G

Well, you mean, when you get out of jail?

28

S

No, I mean, if it fucking – if I get convicted and they’re gonna

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give me – I’ll get hit with nine years, phew,

2

fuck that. Prob-probably gonna go to Mexico, ‘cause, uh –

3

G

Huh?

4

S

Uh, well, both – I’m trying to get out on a – you know, on a,

5

uh, OR or bail or something like that. And, uh, -- if it’s looking like shit

6

during the trial, fuck, I’ll just go on down south.

7

D

Yeah, yeah. And you can do a lot for yourself.

8

S

You know, they got a lot of places down there that Americans

9

live that, uh –

10

D

Yeah.

11

S

-- You know, like behind those compounds and shit --

12

D

Yep.

13

S

-- To where they – I mean there-- Americans retire

14

down there. They buy property and shit.

15

D

Yeah, the Mexican government doesn’t care. I mean, they

16

don’t care about *** us *** this country anything.

17

S

Just gotta stay out of fucking trouble, man.

18

D

Yeah, that’s the problem.

19

<Cough/clear-throat>

20

S

If you get 50 years in a Mexican prison, man, that’s 50

21

fucking years. It ain’t, uh, 50 years and one day, or 49 years and 364,

22

you know.

And it – it is ***. This would be like a presidential palace ***

23

down there.

I’ve got thrown in down there a long time ago, when I was a

24

kid, down TJ. Stupid.

25

 

<Chuckle>

26

S

It’s fucked.

27

D

Alotta kids do that.

28

<Yawn>

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S

Take all your fucking money.

2

D

Yeah. Probably attorneys are shit ***

3

S

*** bail, they don’t even call you. Fuck it, they give you a

4

phone call. And they – and then, they rob your fucking -- whoever comes

5

to get you, and take all their fucking money. And then, they kick you

6

loose.

7

 

<Clear throat>

8

<Unintelligible background noises heard>

9

S

But, it’s a good place.

10

G

If we fucking pulled down *** we could break those bars.

11

S

What’s that?

12

G

Those bars.

13

D

Oh, dude, that looks tough.

14

S

I mean, how are you gonna do that with the camera, dude,