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So, if youre like this, and Or like yeah. Okay. Like this. Mmnh-mmnh. Yeah. The same thing. Like this. They cant tell. Or like this. Yeah. Its all about angles. So, how how Or like this.

someone goes like this, --

They cant tell. Its the same angle, right?

angle. They cant tell if youre right or left-handed. Good thinking. <Sigh> D G <Sigh> I dont know. Is that an issue? I mean, you know, I Well, one of em was telling me We know youre left-handed.

And we know, for a fact, youre the one that did it. I said, You know

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what? Prove that Im left-handed. I write with my left hand. But, I do everything with my right. D G G Theres a ton of left-handed people out there. They need a lot, man. <Unintelligent background noises> Its different. Like these other people. Im telling you, they gotta have a lot more than that.
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Yeah, left-hand yeah, thats not What if they describe a hat and theres no DNA on it, On a hat? Well, if theyre thinking if thats what theyre basing the case No, but, what Im saying is how do they prove to the jury that Oh, I see what youre saying. Well, juries kind of believe that

gonna put you in prison.

theres blood on it, unless they did an experiment in front of them? -- you know what? I I do believe that the jury believes in the justice time, cops arent out planting evidence. Okay. I Im just again, being G D G D Most of the time what?

That they -- that the cops arent planting evidence. So Well, if they took it and they sent it into the crime lab, and the

crime lab says Theres blood on it. And then, they they run the blood and it comes back to DNA your DNA

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But, what if it wasnt on the hat and they were lying? Who? The crime lab? Yeah. Why would the crime lab lie about it? The police. So, in other words, they took your blood to the hat? What if they didnt take it outta the hat? They said they took
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So, they could just take a hat and say This is his.

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a sample off the hat. And *** off the person? D blood? G D G D G D G D G D G D G D G D D Its not my blood. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. You dont think that, right? No. Right. I got to solve a case. Yeah. Right. Okay. Right. Oh. Oh, the other persons. Okay. I guess I dont get it. Where would they get your

-- At the crime scene. They went to the bloody crime scene.

No matter what, the detectives gonna if its Santa Monica, Right. Yeah. Detectives are uhm, theyvetheyve been following me for such a long time already. Right. They show up at the crime scene. They wanna get you.
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Okay. Watch. They say they have this. Okay. Mmnh-mmnh. Now, in the report Mmnh-mmnh. -- They just walk in my house, a month later, and theyre Mmnh-mmnh.

looking for a certain hat that I wear. Okay.

They find it. But, they think ahead and say I took this off Right. -- In the report.

And they go and they go into my house, because theyve

took the swab and put it in. So, that came off this shirt. ***. D So, they took blood off the scene, for instance, the the bloody crime scene. And then, when they picked up your hat, they swabbed it on that and sent it on in. Okay. I mean, if its feasible, yeah. Its totally feasible. G D G Or they lied. Mmnh-mmnh. They wrote a report that said that a hat was found there. And

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they know that I have a Boston hat. So, they just when they grabbed my Boston hat, that Boston hat *** in the report. They say they took a swab off of it. D Where did they say the found the Boston hat? Your house? Or the or the
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Wherever. You dont know where? Uhn-uhn. You dont know if it came from the ladys house? <Sigh> Yeah, I mean, its you know, it its a great I think its a Hm.

There is no way that any blood evidence from anybody is on Right.

A hundred percent it never happened, unless they planted it, Yeah.

Uhm, cause they had the *** bootie *** supposedly. Mmnh-mmnh. <Unintelligible background noises> *** get blood on it -- just one drop. Oh, yeah? And the bootie *** And the bootie just had one drop on it? *** Or or not. I dont know. Yep. It just had one blood drop on it? One blood drop. Yep. Is that what theyre saying? So, that
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the the one, uh, murdered girl had had a Boston Red Sox hat? G D G It was my hat. And it was at the crime scene? And it had my it had her blood on it. And linked it to me.

other physical evidence, they said. <Sigh> <Unintelligible background noises> D

Well, youre gonna have to get youre gonna have to get a

jury to believe that theres a widespread coordinated effort among different police agencies to frame you. <Whistle> D G D <Unintelligible background noises> Thats a big hurdle.

Is that hard to do, you think? Well, I dont know. I mean, who you know you know, is it

But, maybe they did maybe maybe you werent even maybe they werent even aware of you, at the time of the murder. So, they didnt know you know what I mean? Thats thats my point. That thats

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thats a hard one to get over. You have to look at the time frame. You have to look at the, uh the timeline, if you would. G D G D If they have this warrant all these warrants out on me Yeah. -- And were looking at me, dont you think they would have I I know they would.
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And then, the shoe cover links to me with the one blood spot. We have

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<Unintelligible background Yeah, I know they would have, man. They wouldnt let you

you know what? If no. If they knew who you were, and they knew you were dangerous, -DNA. They know right away who I am and where Im at. D Yep. <Water flow> <Unintelligible background noises> G Well, how could they not know who I was? They found the

Im not gonna talk about it anymore, man. They have Yeah, I think youre right. <Flush-toilet> ***. Im sorry? Yeah.

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Damn, this walls hot. Yeah, I was just feeling that. This metal up here is hot. <Chuckle> Shit. Ah, itll start cooling down pretty soon. Aah. <Unintelligible background noises> Well, phew <Sigh> <Unintelligible background noises> Well, hopefully, my PO will show up soon.
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*** Huh? They pulling you outta here? Yeah, cause I gotta sign papers. And then, you get to go home? No. No, I wish I did. Whatll happen is, uh, because, uh, I got

arraigned today, I met with the, uh, defense attorney and my probation

uh he was in court today. But, he told me, uh uh, If you enter a no contest plea, uhm, youll only have to uh, serve the County lid. So see, the problem is, as soon as you catch a chain to State, you know, that 25 percent deal goes out the window now. D D <Sniff>

So, if I can do a County lid, all I have to do is 25 percent. If I catch a chain to State, Im doing like, you know, 50

percent. So, he shows up. I you know, I pled no contest today. He violation. And then, its cool. D

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got a visit the big man there then, my may my lady may be outside waiting. So, hopefully, my PO comes now. Cause I cant imagine him

working too much later. Oh, I want to get that done so I can visit with my lady. Oh G D What are all those controls in that room right there? These here?
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officer. Well, my probation officer, I met with last night. And he told me,

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Mmnh-mmnh. You know, I think theyre lights. Im looking at em. Ive been <Cough>

looking at that. <Hiccup> Excuse me. It says Shower. It says, uh D know. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> D sprinkler. G D G D G D G D D G Mmnh-mmnh. <Sniff> Electrical box. Really? Oh, *** Cell, and something else. Theres some panic

You know, crap, man. Must be a smoke alarm or -- or a

Mmnh-mmnh. You see the electrical running at the end of *** whats up above it? <No audible response> Its weird, huh? Mmnh-mmnh. You can see the light around it that way, too. Huh? And this But, thats ***. Okay. Maybe thats an old one. Thats the original vent. <Sigh>

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problems with. You know, it sounds like you got the other ones. G D What? I said It sounds like you got the other ones. The Santa

Monica one, you say you got problems with. And I think, uh it sounds <Sigh> D Six or seven or whatever? <Yawn> G D G D G D dont know. G D D G man Theres only four. Oh, is that right?

Thats three. And Downey you dont have to worry about. Thats what I mean. Yeah. So, you just got rid of three.

Three cases you can you can wipe off the map. Maybe Downey, I *** my attorney. Yeah. Figure out what the best thing is. Well, at least, you gave them the idea. Oh, Im telling you, Thats the only *** I dont think about ***. Mmnh-mmnh. How much time uh, how much time could <Sniff> <Sigh>
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None of em. Im Im not worried about them.

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Santa Monica, El Monte, Hollywood and Downey.

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Its better than worrying about seven or eight cases, right?

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That ones 15 to life. What? It is? Mmnh-mmnh. Fuck. What are you gonna do? Make a deal? I dont wanna talk about it, man. Plus, I mean I know. Yeah, youre right. Its stressful. <Sigh> -- Talking about it is just gonna do me no good. All right, dude.

I wonder if they ever bring buses in late?

A hundred percent. Theyll be pushing the judge. Well, lets hope that a judge cant be pushed. I hope its a judge that cant be pushed. Youre what? I hope If it is a judge, that can not be pushed, you know. Oh, fuck me. Could they could the defense attorney or the States For the one case? The Santa Monica case? Yeah. I dont think so. They dont have anything to do with it. <Unintelligible background noises>
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attorney put all these other detectives on the stand, for this one case?

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*** Each those guys are all responsible for their locations. <Unintelligible background noises>

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Yeah youre youre just dealing with one police agency there, man. Yep. <Cough> ***, everything. That explains it, man.

Yeah. You know, think about it, man. Even though you got a

lot of shit happen to you today, remember how crazy you were thinking <No audible response>

You got nothing to worry aboutbout these other cases. You know what? Im not scared. Theyre gonna throw everything on me. Theyre just trying to You know, see what sticks. You know? But, what its gonna come down to is Ive been in all the Yeah. Im not Im not supposed to be afraid that somethings Youre smart.

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gonna happen to a person. Something happens and Im being charged for all these murders? D Right.
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houses you could say Ive been there, because I worked on their fucking air conditioning. G D G D G D G D G D though? G D What do you think a jury is gonna think of it? Theyre gonna think youre a businessman. Theyre gonna think Im some crazy killer. Yep. <Sigh> Thats a great explanation. <Sigh> Fucking ***. Yeah. <Laughter> No, youre a fucking businessman. Right? <Chuckle>

They wont let me take one ***. I dont know, man. Uh, what would you do with one of those, Open the window. Oh, dude. Im telling you, youre gonna get out there, and No, I want air dude. Oh, thats right. Man, Im not going nowhere. Im not trying to escape, cause Well, yeah, and you dont wanna get killed. Well, not only that
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I got nothing to hide.

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D G D G D G D G of weird. D G D G D G D G cases.

***. -- Dude, I got nothing to hide. Yeah. Im just I know I can handle it. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think Ive been like hes cooperating and ***-- Hes not talked to us, but, hes cooperating. And thats kind Yeah. Right. Yeah, they expect me to be, uh, all pissed off Am I nuts for not for being calm?

and hunkered down in a fetal position.

a brain. I told you, out of ten people catching a chain to the State Uh-huh.

-- Is get me to piss be pissed off. And they have records Uh, yeah, maybe. Thats probably something their looking at. All of those things do not mean *** killing of someone getting

Man, *** crazy things.

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Yeah. Thats not a bad thing. -- That shows Im not a killer. Yeah, youre right. Ahh. <Sigh> Yep. <Sniff> <Unintelligible background noises> <Yawn>

Where the fuck is my PO? And my old lady at? Jesus Christ. <Chuckle>

D Hopefully, they could come at the same time. I might even fucking stay up for awhile. G stand? D Could, uh, uhm could-uh, the District Attorney put me on the No. Its absolutely impossible. If your attorney puts you on

the stand if you decide to take the stand your attorneys not gonna want you to but, if you decide to, then, your attorney will ask you <Unintelligible background noises> D But, then but, only then. He cant call you as a witness. The People questions. Then--

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One that shows that I taught em <Unintelligible background noises heard> <Coughing>

how to use a knife. I never threatened anyone.

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That aint shit. No.

whatever. Im thinking about that. Thinking about all the witnesses. Yeah. And you know they will. <Unintelligible background noises>

I dont know that too many uh, I dont know too many Yeah. I dont know, man. Yeah, theyll try to paint a picture

defend herself, yeah, thats a good thing. Right? It shows you care. The shock gun thing, the fucking stun gun or whatever it is, so what, you or hurt her. Shock gun? G D G D G know? She fucking she fucked up. Shes not careful. It didnt kill her

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<Sniff> And stun guns are legal, too. Yeah. Its no big deal. Literally I bought if for her Christmas gift. <Chuckle> Is that right? It was around Christmastime. And went to hand it to her, she

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Thats a fine Christmas gift. It

wasnt supposed to be like that. But, kinda fucked up, huh? Talk about April Fools gift. G The police called me on the phone. I said You know what? I aint gonna say nothing on the phone. But, I went to hand it to her. She D G crazy. D G D G D G D G D G G G No. Oh. <Sniff> Yeah. Yeah.

What happened to you? Did they come get ya?

Dont you think the juries gonna be like, ***. No. Do they think about that? Or no? Yeah, they do. Eventually. And I think your attorneys gonna Why did they wait until now? I dont know. I dont know, dude. Its a mystery. Im upset. But <Unintelligible background noises> -- Theyre trying to get a temper outta me a rage. <Sigh> He attacked an officer in the jail cell. They told my wife I <Sniff>

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the jail? D G D G D G D G D G D G D G sir. D G D G G D U G stuff? Or what? I dont know. I think so. Well, like like this. Right? Did I tell you -Huh? -- *** one of the detecives said Youre very disciplined. Do Oh, is that right? I said No. Right. Well, why did they say that? Yeah.

I mean, by cause I say Yes, sir, no, sir. And ***. Sir, Im sorry. I cant I have an attorney. I would love to Oh. Yeah.

But, uhm, any any questions you ask me, I cant answer, Got it. Why? Did they ever see you doing push-ups and No, they just tell me theyre like Youre very athletic. Yeah. And, uh <Sniff> -- Youre definitely the one that killed that girl. Oh. Thats nothing thats not gonna convict you. Oh, man. It wont take much. I want to laugh in their face, dude.
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If you tell me everything you have, that would be great.

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you have military experience?

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<Sniff> <Unintelligible background noises> AhhHmm How long you been married ***? how many of her kids do you *** *** Yeah. How long you been in your business? What? About, uh, 10, 12, 13 years. Really? <No audible response> Im 32. How long you had your business?

Fuck, man. Fuck. you look great. I ***, cut my life short. <Laughter> Yeah, thats what it seems like, huh? <Sniff> <No audible response> Oh, boy. Through all this, its like I dont even know my wife anymore. Did she ever set up the phone? What? Did she ever set up the phone?
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Im confused. Yesterday you couldnt get a hold of her, because you said Yeah, she has it set up with, uh, the County jail. It was a Oh. Right. Yeah. I see what youre saying. <Sigh> Yeah.

she hadnt set up her phone. different calling system. If she set it up with the home phone, then, it would be

I told her many times to do that. And she hasnt. Shes not enthusia uh, enthusiastic in in helping me

attorney 15. And shes keeping the money. Trying to get all my family to <Sigh> G smart tactic. G D D G G D G room. ***.
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and, wham, kick the door open. Mmnh-mmnh. Knock him flat out. Put him in cuffs. Put him in the shower

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cough up the money. And here shes my wife.

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Yeah, but, you dont wanna do that. Then, youre fucked. Not me, dude. Im great. Yeah, but, youre fucked, okay, if you dont get out of here. Well, you just talked yourself down. And, now, youre ready No, no, no. Im not Im not getting up in there. Huh? Im not gonna ***. Yeah, just ***. Yeah. Mmnh-mmnh. Yeah. Im just saying thats an easy I will. *** or what?

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A speaker? Mmnh-mmnh. I dont think so. They have a little pin-point speaker in there going into the Well, this guy right here. Right? Sure. You wanna get on my shoulders?

other room recording everything.

Nah, its okay. I got it. I dont know where it goes, dude. Well, whats it feel like?

<Unintelligible background noises> *** piece of metal? Yeah.

Probably. Its probably old wall. It would just fall apart. Mmnh-mmnh. Yeah, I think you could. <Unintelligible background noises> They come back and theres a big hole in the wall and were Come back all and like their eyes are going Youre ***. <Laughter> It could happen, man. Shit. Thats one thing I like about this
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place. Theyll let you visit for a long time. Last night I got a long-ass visit. Hes getting a great visit. G D G D G D You you visit with glass? Yeah. Last night. Mmnh? The glass in front of you? Is the glass in front of you?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she she showed up. And, you know, it

was way later than than it was supposed to be. But, the watch commander here let her let her, uh, come in and visit. G D G D They wont even let me get a visit.

Security concerns?

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<Sigh> Maybe shes got her reasons, dude. Shes definitely ***, dude. I guarentee. By holding all that

fucking money back, not paying the attorney in full. Dont you think the attorney works harder? money thats still owed him? G D G D G D G Okay. Shes sitting on 85 grand at the house. Mmnh? At the house. D When he when he needs to get when when he has

cause shell give him a

<Unintelligible background noises heard> I dont know. Unless shes just trying to like you say give Is that smart? Yeah. Sure, it is. Look. You come over to my house. Uh, I it out a little bit at a time.

hire you, to put in a heating heater and air conditioner, central air its

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gonna cost you ex-amount of money. Uh, you probably dont say Give me the whole thing right now. You cant. You just say Give me part of it. Right? And then, when you get it done, then, I pay you the rest. G D She thinks its smart. Hell go work harder for the rest. Yeah. Yeah. Lets hope thats what it is, man.
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Yeah, my wifes very smart. Yeah. Wow. Shes pretty good with money? Mmnh-mmnh. Mmnh? Good. Thats a good one to have there. I cant believe she hasnt done whatever theyre fucking <Sigh>

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Well, my attorney says hell call her and talk to her. <Unintelligible background noises heard>

Yeah. Im surprised you didnt call her last night on the So, they could hassle her? <No audible response> <No audible response>

detectives cell phone, man.

But, they dont they already know her number? Oh, is that what the reason is? Okay.

They were so excited. Oh, go ahead. Ill dial it for you, so Got it. Yeah, that was smart of you. <Unintelligible background noises heard> This is the problem. If I did it what they said *** you know Yeah. ***Not guilty of anything*** wasnt there ***. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I guess. I mean, it makes sense. You

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***. Yeah. I hear keys. *** breathing here is good. In County Jail I cant breathe, at No. This is nice in here. Its a little warm. But, its, uh its a big cell. Yeah, I know They hit my nose right here, too. See the scab? Yeah, what happened?

all. Im claustrophobic. <Cough> County Jail sucks. Thats an old-ass place, too.

Fuck, they pushed me and I fell on the ground and hit my When? In the County Jail.

Yeah, as I was shackled. And they went, phew Oh. -- Walk faster. Yeah, they could be assholes. *** Sooner or later *** detective. Mmnh? ***Sooner or later theres gonna be another detective. Yeah. Theyre just pulling my chain. You think so? Uh-huh. ***. <Unintelligible background noises heard>
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Yeah, I dont think you have They questioned me before when that Small guy came out Uh-huh. -- And threatened me. Yeah, they were there, too. When they told me *** Downey*** -Right. Oh, okay. Oh.

anything to worry about, man.

-- And brought me to the Downey Police station.

They were there, too. They said Oh, theres another case in Uh-huh. ***

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what they can do. Im gonna just have to go with that. *** and bring it in front of a judge. <Unintelligible background noises> G D you got. G D G D take a picture and take it to the doing shit like that. Thats what they said. Interesting. I dont know, dude. That is the weirdest case So, they could just grab a knife and put fake blood on it and I - I I think so. Thats scary shit --to think the cops are He had a picture of a knife Ive never ever touched or seen. Well, Ill tell you what. Now, you know, we all do shit. You

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know all about you. Ive proved my case already. you like that when you got something you know is gonna happen and you want to get fucking you know what I mean get impatient? Im fucking impatient as shit, dude. If its on my radar screen, I gotta take care of it. <Laughter>
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Oh, yeah. That fucking drives me nuts. Youre getting out, though, dude. Im a long way from getting You know what, I I understand, man. I mean, I dont envy <Unintelligble background noises>

with you know, Im not happy about coming to jail. But, at least, I could get in and fucking take care of it real quick, you know. G D D you if I have time. Ill tell you what, brother. <Sigh> My wife doesnt wanna see me, dude. Ill try to come see

number. Excuse me. Im about to sneeze. And, if I get out, after a couple months, maybe even fuck, you know, you never know what the G D D G G D G D They wont allow it. They wont allow me to visit? No, a violation of your parole. Mine? Yeah. I I heard about it already. <Unintelligible background noises> Oh, okay. That would be nice, dude. Yeah, if I could. Well, I can always try, if you want. I just kick-out is Ill come fucking visit ya.

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you know, -- if no-nobodys coming to visit you, I know how that thats got to be bullshit. Its got to be a sad feeling. G D pokey. <Laughter> D <Blow-nose> <Cough> D G D I cant believe my wife is not visiting me. Yeah. Well, that, well you know, at least you got your wife.

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Dude, that aint gonna happen.

You know what? They got no leverage on your fucking ass. You know what I mean? <Chuckle> D I I fucking like ***. Theyre theyre theyre done. They cant come at me. I wouldnt do that to you, anyway, dude. Believe me, Im a hard-working guy. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> G D G D G Thats wrong.

I just cant believe that my wife hasnt visited me. Dude, thats making me feel really bad.

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<Unintelligible background noises <Open-cell door> Go in and have a seat on your bunk. Michael? Yes? <Sigh> <Clear-throat> Okay. Oh, sorry. Go ahead and turn around ***. Turn around. Come out.

Go ahead and put your hands up. Put your hands up. <Unintelligible background noises> Relax. Relax. Watch your arms. Itll just be a second. Oh, thanks. Okay. Come on. <Gargiulo exits cell> <Transcript Time 29:37> <Close-cell door> <Unintelligible background noises> We laughed our ass off, too, dude, coughing like a banshee ***. --Theyre gonna talk to him. Oh. So, they wanted to get them set up first. Theyre gonna walk ***. Thats really tight on my

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over there, and come get both of us here then, *** going in there. *** kick back.

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***, dude, its no big deal. ***. <Whisper> <Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Staley and Duncan exit cell.>

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<Sigh> <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Hands in your pockets. Stand to the left side of the door for me, please. <Unintelligible background noises> Okay. Go on in. <Staley enters cell.> <Transcript Time 30:02> All right. Go back in. What time is it? Its 8:30. Ahh. Okay. Mmnh. Santa Monica? <Open-cell door>

case, came with another guy. Yeah?

cause the guy got stabbed on Montana. And they say that they have reason to believe that it was me. S S S G Uh, a guy got stabbed now? Yeah. Damn, dude. <Laughter> Fuck, how many is that? Amazing. <Laughter> Jesus. Its starting to get stupid, now.
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<Laughter> Fuck that, man. Ive never seen the face in my life. Theyre sending me out of here. What? Why? Theyre theyre gonna send me out of here.

Who? The, uh, detective. Send you?

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28th April 28th.

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looked at the ***.

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night. Fuck, man, Im-, ssh, its 8:30 at County, Im not gonna get down there til fucking 10:30, 11:00. G S Youre crazy. Theyll rush you outta here in a vehicle. Yeah, but, so what? I get down there and, fuck, I got to go

through all that fucking processing and shit. Fuck. Sit on a bench. Well, them to get to you. G S S G S Why am I still hung up here? Whats going on? <Cough> already here, I guess. I dont know. <Sniff>

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feel safe to be here. And Santa Monicas different. <Unintelligible background noises> S Oh. You know what? Sometimes different, uh, different, uh, cops have different rules in how they do things and shit. That could <Clear-throat> G S G S G S S

Yeah, actually, uh, Im looking kind of forward to that and What level are you going to? Whats that? What level are you going to? <Cough>

gettng out of this shit.

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I dont have time to be monkeying <Cough/clear-throat>

around. I I was working all day until you guys arrested arrested me. S S G G Yeah. <Unintelligible background noises> You know what theyre doing? <No audible response> Mmnh.

Theyre looking at my case and seeing that Im being charged

with burglary and attempted murder. And theres probably not too many attempted murder cases with, you know, stabbings. S G G Mmnh-mmnh. <Clear-throat>

see if I know anything about the case. Cause theyre all the same relation, regardless if people are stabbed to death. So, theyre trying to S Makes sense. <Cough/clear-throat> <Unintelligible background noises/voices< I should tell the detective, You can lie, cheat and steal. Im Ive heard that before. <Cough/clear-throat> G S Did you see them in the mini-van with all all of them with Whats that?
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All of them with machine guns. Thatll work. Before they you came back in, -Yeah. -- About seven fucking cops like SWAT team members with Really? Wow.

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be going down. They go Yep, something very serious.

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How long? <Cough> Havent we been in here for two days, or what? Uhm, lets see. Yeah. <Unintelligible background noises> <Unintelligible background noises/voices>. Yep, two days.

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teletypes. Theyre looking at stuff *** and then, uh, everybody you G S G Okay. Well, like like mine, Lets go ask him questions. Yeah. Yeah.

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Well, theyre gonna do that before That would be funny ***. My fat ass wouldnt *** down the road. <Laughter> <Cough/clear-throat> No, theyd catch me. Im not like you. I know youre a rabbit. Yeah, Ive got a good chance in beating this thing. So, Im Put it this way, they need proof that I was at every crime

they take me anywhere, I know that.

just gonna stick with it and take my shot.

scene. And theyre not gonna do that. Theyre just gonna say the person got stabbed this way. He did it. He did it. He did it. G G S G S S Theyre just looking to pin and close the case on everyone. I should have asked them Dont you have something better Yeah, they probably wouldnt like that. *** look at how fucking tight they put my cuffs, dude. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Fucked you up, man. Isnt that violating my rights by doing that? Ssh, they do it all the time. Police brutality. <Cough> <Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Cough/clear-throat> S Im not gonna get to sleep til fucking 3:00 in the morning.
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<Cough/clear-throat> Man, wouldnt that be fucking awesome, if you were in the That would be funnier than shit, wouldnt it? We wouldnt have to worry about shit. We know each other The odds of that, dude, are so fucking astronomical. Itll never happen. Yeah. <Unintelligible background noises> Youre not on K-10. <Cough/clear-throat> You have prior shit? cell with me.

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know the person. And and you could prove you could prove that yourself. <Sniff> S G Yeah, it makes you wonder, what the fuck, you know. ***. Why would you wanna question me on something I know I dont know. nothing about, and you have proof that I know nothing? You know where could even ask him. S Mmnh. <Clear-throat/cough> G S G that? S S

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<No audible response> That they dont have anything. It could be. Theyre just grasping at straws, trying to get input from me, Yeah, it could be. Thats a lot of dudes, though.

trying to solve the case. Like I said, man, theyve probably all got stabbed the same

when theres so many other people out there. They have beenthey have been ***. S G regardless. S Yep. <Clear-throat> Yeah.

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Santa Monica caper, right? G S <No audible response> So, you know, if you were charged with that, theyd have to

do it the next day. But, if theyre already holding you but, I dont think theyre gonna do it tomorrow. I think theyre gonna just take their time <Unintelligible background noises> S G S G S G S <Cough/clear-throat> Ive gotta say, its quite an experience. <Blow-nose> Yeah, ***. I mean, uh, a *** experience? *** someone to talk to, man. and, you know

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in that room, again? G S G S G S Yep. Did they leave you by yourself, though, huh? Uhn-uhn. Today they had me double handcuffed. Thats right. They had you all chained up? <Unintelligible background noises> Yeah, I see that. <Cough/clear-throat> <Unintelligible background noises> <Cough/clear-throat> <Yawn> S G S G S G S Look at my wrists, man.

That was a shock that they sent Santa Monica over again. <Cough/clear-throat> ***.

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<Cough> Would you have rather sat <Cough> Would you have rather sat in that room? Or here inside the Well, no. Id rather be here. Im just saying you know, I

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take me and forgive me for everything *** . S G S G the board. <Clear-throat> G S whatever. G either. G She hasnt even came to visit me. Yeah. <Unintelligible background noises> Im never gonna get to see my wife again. You dont think so, huh? Nah, dude, theyre fucking framing my ass all the way across

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Shes lying to me, now, man. <Cleaer-throat>

Shes probably seeing somebody, like that she goes to church with. G S G S G S A guy that shes been hanging out with him. Yeah. Well, cause if you go down there, theres only one visiting Shes probably seeing him.

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didnt sign up the home phone. If she set up the home phone, the collect calls are cheaper. Its six dollars up front, and then, a dollar every minute. S G S G S Mmnh. You dont have, uh, one of those cards, do you? Uhn-uhn. Yeah, you gotta get one of those. You got to have somebody Mmnh. What do you mean my books?

put that on your fucking books, though.

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I think you can do it from the inside. But, I think you gotta do The collect calls are ridiculous. Theyre making a killing.

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<No audible response> <LAPSE TIME: no intelligible conversation; Transcript Time 30:45-30:46> <Unintelligible background noises> <Cough>

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***. Really? *** theyre like Keds. Oh, you wear those ***? *** wore them. What? *** *** Time for me to go. <Unintelligible background noises> <Open-cell door> Thats why. *** shirt, man, ***.

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