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RE: [AkaiEWI] Re: New to Akai EWI … (9)
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I have now gotten the bite sensor working. More on that, and other notes in context, below: > -----Original Message----> From: AkaiEWI@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AkaiEWI@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Geoffrey > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 6:01 PM > > > Actually, there is vibrato speed and depth control in Mr. Sax T. By default > > this is CC#1 for vibrato intensity (depth) and CC#19 for vibrato rate. If > > you look in the Mr. Sax T. display inside Kontakt (at least with V1.51 of > > Mr. Sax T. in the Kontakt 4 Player), you will see graphic indicators for > > both of these. If you have the default EWI USB settings, you should see > the > > C1 indicator move when you use the bite sensor. > > Nope! See below. [I am also using V1.51 of Mr. Sax T. in the Kontakt 4 Player] Sorry, I was incorrect on the default EWI USB settings. I thought it was configured for CC#127 and CC#1, but it was only configured for CC#127, with the second bite sensor set to OFF. Thus you would not see the C1 control in Mr. Sax T. respond as I'd suggested above. However, the rest of my note is correct, specifically with
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it changes the Dynam only. like with vibrato. I also see that it moves differently from the expression meter once vibrato gets going. there is a clear variation in > the Dynam indicator only. it obviously does not reflect whatever it is doing in the CC1 and CC19 controls/meters in the Kontakt 4 display (the reason will be clear in a bit). I couldn't find an explanation for what the Wind Controller 2 setting is doing behind the scenes. All rights reserved 2 de 7 21/09/2013 2:55 . it wavers in amplitude). > When do the same with Wind Control 2. In any case. nothing much moves > except the 2 horizontal bars to the right of the Tune knob and the effect is > an unnatural sounding wobbling in pitch. And the vibrato sound is much more pleasant. so mostly relates to breath pressure (CC#2) or expression (CC#11).e. Groups Home amee-lista faunamurcia 2 33 The Dynam indicator seems to just be a measure of dynamics from pp to ff.yahoo. which was probably more like tremolo (i.AkaiEWI . > Either way. but one thing that is certain is it has to be reading some control value (see below) and making it behave like vibrato. whereas it doesn't when it is just a tremolo effect.C19 stays > fixed at about half way.rather. and the VR. > So the default behaviour of the bite sensor seems to be unrelated to C1 or > C19 . However.Yahoo! Groups http://groups. the Vib:C1 indicator bar stays nonexistent. FWIW when I make my own jaw > vibrato with any setting other than Wind Control 2. The horizontal bars to the right of the tune knob are the volume indicators for left and right channels. amee_lista_correo2 murcianosevende rapaces-ibericas 2 windcontroller 14 Manage My Groups Create a Group Browse Groups Terms Privacy Guidelines Feedback Help Blog © 2013 Yahoo Inc. However.com/neo/groups/AkaiEWI/conversations/topics/2659 Conversations Photos 2 Events Polls More About RE: [AkaiEWI] Re: New to Akai EWI … (9) > My understanding is very basic. however. instead of wavering in pitch. and this is exactly the effect I was describing on what I was getting when I was trying to employ the bite control and was getting an effect from wind pressure changes caused by my biting effort.
More on that below. so I don't think this was the only key. though. The behavior is actually different. In particular.Yahoo! Groups http://groups. It seems to be designed to only pick up vibrato-like changes in > pressure. I had specifically been just trying to apply pressure. if seemingly intermittently. it sends About RE: [AkaiEWI] Re: New to Akai EWI … (9) bite sensor working. And somewhere along the lines leading to my getting this to work I thought maybe that had been the trick that got me to get it working. All rights reserved 3 de 7 21/09/2013 2:55 .com/neo/groups/AkaiEWI/conversations/topics/2659 Conversations rest of the controls were sending). it turns out that Photos Events Polls More bite sensor settings does not send CC#127. so I thought maybe that was what I had been missing.otherwise (e. > And it only does that if you 'vibrate' > your jaw fairly fast . I'd missed the part you mentioned about constant tooth pressure in addition to the jaw movement.yahoo.g. The jawing up and down varies the CC values and reengages it as my understanding from something I read was the bite sensor will only spike for awhile then reset to zero. either with lips or teeth. under constant tooth pressure) nothing > changes. too. Experimenting more with both sets of settings. Rather. then went back to the CC#127 setting for the EWI and the Wind Controller 2 setting in Kontakt. The pressure gets the CCs the bite sensor is controlling engaged to some level based on the pressure applied. and fairly unpredictably at that. when I was testing with the bite sensor set to send CC#1 and CC#19. More on the specifics below in context. when using the default of CC#127 and other Groups Home amee-lista faunamurcia 2 33 amee_lista_correo2 murcianosevende rapaces-ibericas 2 windcontroller 14 Manage My Groups Create a Group Browse Groups Terms Privacy Guidelines Feedback Help Blog © 2013 Yahoo Inc. However. I found your note on the vibrating jaw interesting because I had not tried that before. then I noted I could more consistently get vibrato happening and sustaining if I simply applied a lot of bite pressure.AkaiEWI . (Note: I'm pretty sure this is something I'd tried before. but once I got that. I could only seem to get little blips of control data recorded. However. I think I understand what is happening. I could get more like what you were describing and get it more consistent.) In fact.
there is no separate MIDI signal from the bite sensor in my > default configuration . sees the CC#1 and CC#19 values are non-zero.com/neo/groups/AkaiEWI/conversations/topics/2659 Conversations only gets short bursts of data before resolving to zero to avoid Photos Events Polls More stuck out of tune. is just modulating pitch per the pitch wheel data or interpreting that and translating it into some other types of settings. > > the bite sensor should be sending whatever > > MIDI control signals it is configured to send when you bite on the sensor. but your playing style may need to be different. is that no MIDI data gets recorded. > > From what I see. For a similar reason.yahoo. Whereas with the CC#127 setting. as you might expect. thus making me need to change EWI configurations less frequently. are consistent. as long as the settings and the EWI and Mr..Yahoo! Groups http://groups. though. sees is pitch modulation. for the simple reason that I can use these same defaults in quite a number of other instruments. either setting can work with Mr. but doing that isn't necessary to maintain vibrato since Mr. The bottom line is you can use either method to work with Mr. so that has to keep coming to maintain vibrato. Sax T. so it processes them directly as vibrato rate and depth. at least with respect to vibrato. In this case. Sax T. and you can keep the vibrato flowing by just maintaining pressure on the bite sensor. I will likely keep the breath sensor set to send expression (CC#11) in addition to breath (CC#2) since that means I can use it with lots of synths and such without having to tweak the synth-side settings as many (most?) respond to expression in a way that is equivalent to how breath support should work.AkaiEWI . All rights reserved 4 de 7 21/09/2013 2:55 . I will probably stick with the CC#1 and CC#19 defaults in Mr. > > The key. depending on which case you use. I have no clue. Sax T. when the bite sensor is working. Sax T.. Sax T.) The net is that. Sax T.there should be a variation in the Groups Home amee-lista faunamurcia 2 33 amee_lista_correo2 murcianosevende rapaces-ibericas 2 windcontroller 14 Manage My Groups Create a Group Browse Groups Terms Privacy Guidelines Feedback Help Blog © 2013 Yahoo Inc. (Whether Mr. you have to keep About RE: [AkaiEWI] Re: New to Akai EWI … (9) values are sent. all Mr. If you want longer vibrato. Sax T. if you jaw it. the CC values go up and down.
AkaiEWI . on the other hand. If. I think it only modifies the existing data stream. the data. > > As I said. and recording MIDI data from the controller. About RE: [AkaiEWI] Re: New to Akai EWI … (9) elementary. since the effect on Kontakt gauges is much harder to read than MIDI data in a DAW. then actual CC data is added to the stream. then it is sort of true in the sense that there are two ways to send pitch wheel data. I wasn't even getting short bursts of data with any of the settings previously. and your notes on your technique definitely helped me get more ideas there. This is sort of true and sort of not true. 2 33 The big question is why my bite sensor is working now when it wasn't previously.Yahoo! Groups http://groups. I'd recalled from the link I posted the other day (http://www. will be recorded by whatever DAW you happen to use for recording MIDI data. which you can extend to longer periods of data through the jawing you mentioned.com/breakdown) that the guy noted making his bite sensor Groups Home amee-lista faunamurcia amee_lista_correo2 murcianosevende rapaces-ibericas 2 windcontroller 14 Manage My Groups Create a Group Browse Groups Terms Privacy Guidelines Feedback Help Blog © 2013 Yahoo Inc. I can't > get > > the bit sensor to send data at all. CC data versus pitch wheel data) got me confused in areas where I wasn't actually recording the output. Either way.e. It's also quite likely my switching back and forth between different settings that behaved very differently (i. I think I'd have seen at least some activity through all my trial and error attempts at getting the thing to work. it turns out not to be CC data Photos Events Polls More pitch wheel data. one being the pitch plates down in the right thumb area and the other being using the bite sensor to send short bursts of pitch up/down data. If you use the default setting of CC#127 only. observing the Kontakt gauges. As noted above. though.com/neo/groups/AkaiEWI/conversations/topics/2659 Conversations though. All rights reserved 5 de 7 21/09/2013 2:55 . Nevertheless. and it depends on how you have the EWI bite sensor configured. such as my CC#1 and CC#19 settings. It's at least possible it was due to biting technique. you use other settings for the bite sensor. be it CC data or pitch bend data.ewiusb.yahoo. The one additional thing I did today was took the mouthpiece off again.
just with my CC#1/CC#19 settings. Sax T.info Studio Page: http://studio. Now to get back to making more music with it! Rick =============================================== Rick Paul Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP) Main Web Site: http://www. at least for now.facebook.AkaiEWI . though. so maybe there was just something misaligned last time. They only blipped. trying to figure things out. and I couldn't seem to get consistent behavior. now About RE: [AkaiEWI] Re: New to Akai EWI … (9) and I made sure I was lining up the bite sensors innards with the hole that they need to fit inside.info Facebook: http://www.com/rickpaulmusic =============================================== Groups Home amee-lista faunamurcia 2 33 amee_lista_correo2 murcianosevende rapaces-ibericas 2 windcontroller 14 Manage My Groups Create a Group Browse Groups Terms Privacy Guidelines Feedback Help Blog © 2013 Yahoo Inc.com/neo/groups/AkaiEWI/conversations/topics/2659 Conversations but I really wasn't clear what was going on or how it should Photos Events Polls More mouthpiece.Yahoo! Groups http://groups. Then I went back and forth between settings. is that the control seems to be working as long as I keep in mind the different techniques for the different control settings and "play" it accordingly. In any case. once I got the mouthpiece back on and started experimenting with KONTAKT again. And I also understand the mechanism a whole lot better. I did have a bit of a time making it fit inside. and that was a first. This time I looked more into the mouthpiece. but the bottom line. It's conceivable something is just intermittent in my unit. doing the jawing stuff you'd mentioned.RickPaul. eventually arriving at the understandings I wrote about above with the different behaviors in the two modes and how those interact with Mr. I noticed the CC1 and CC19 meters move in Kontakt. While I can't imagine they'd fit outside of that.RickPaul.yahoo. All rights reserved 7 more message 6 de 7 21/09/2013 2:55 .
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