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A confidential source who has provided reliable infor-
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of former President JOHN KENNEDY often did. Unlike other
such tirades against KENNEDY, however , on this occasi on CARLOS
MARCELLO said , referring to President KENNEDY, "Yeah , I had
t he son of a bi t ch kil l ed. I ' m glad I did . I' m sorry I couldn ' t
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JAMES ROBER'!' CATES, a white male, age 3 5 , a Senior
Correctional Officer at the FEDERAL CORRECTIONAL INSTI'l'U'l'ION
( FCI), Texarkana, 'l'exas, with one and one-half years employment
with the BUREAU OF PRISONS and who r e sides at 506 Burma Road,
Wake Village , 'I'exas, home telephone numbe r (214) 832-6253, was
contacted regarding the comments made on February 2 8 , 1989 ,
by FCI Inmate CARLOS MARCELLO. CA'l'ES was then interviewed and
he proceeded to furnish the following information:
CATES advised that hi s normal shift at the FCI,
'fe xarkana is from 8: 0 0 a.m. to 4: 3 0 p.m. On the morning of
. February 28, 198 9, CATES was asked to work some overtime and
was assigned to guard CARLOS MARCELLO in Hoom 209 of the WADLEY
REGIONAL MEDICAL CEN'l'ER ( WRMC) , Texarkana, 'l'e xas. Senior
Correctional Officer VENCIEN'r BROWN was al s o wo rking as a guard
on this shift with CATES during the e Drly morning hours o f
February 28, 1989. CA'l'ES advised that h e a nd !3ROWN had r e lieved
FCI officers TERRY BAILEY and J . R. HARRISON . CATES stated
that he did not rece ive word that any o the r o ff icers or nurses
may have had occasion to overhe ar any unusual comme nts or r e marks
made by CARLOS MARCELLO. CATES was informed by BAILEY that
MARCELLO had been in WRMC approximately twelve hours and
everything was proceeding normall y . BAILEY d id not leave any
written notes o r instructions with CATES .
CA'l'ES stated that after approximately thirty minut e s
some thing strange occurred at a ppro xima tely 12:30 a .m. on February
28 , 1989. CARLOS MARCELLO woke up and proceed e d to climb out
of his hospital bed . MARCELLO the n stretc hud out his hand to
VENCIENT BROWN and shook hands with BH.OWN . MARCELLO said to
BROWN "I want to ·thank you boys for coming b y . Stop by about
2:00 or 3:00 tomorrow afternoon and we 'll t a k e care of tha t
business." CATES· stated he then move d over c los e to MARCELLO
and said to him "Mr. MARCELLO, you a re going t o have t o lay
back down". MARCELLO s aid "No , n o , no boys , it's okay, go ahea d
and leave now, the money's on the s helf, t he r e is $ 1,000 a piece ,
and if you nee d more take more . " , or wo rds t o that e f fect.
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that MARCELLO was incoherent and that he did not want to g e t
back into bed. CATES stated that Nurse MAJORS the'n helped them
lift MARCELLO back into bed and secure his restraints which
consisted of soft fabric belts and handcuf f s which secured his
left hand to the head of his bed . MARCELLO struggled for a
while after these restraints were secured, but they were necessary
because he had a heart monitor and IV attached to his body.
CATES s tated that MARCELLO did not go into a sound
sleep, but began mumbling off and on. Sometimes CA'l
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understand what MARCELLO was saying and sometime s his comments
"!ere garbled and did not make sense . CATES stated that at one
point MARCELLO looked at him and said "Tomorrow we are going
to have to go back to New Orleans" . CATES advised that apparently
MARCELLO must have thought that both h e and VENCIENT BROWN were
MARCELLO ' s bodyguards or associates . MARCELLO's attitude turned
cheerful and he said something t o the effect that we are going
to party, to have a celebration, and made a reference to the
outstanding food they have in New Orleans .
CATES stated that at abo ut this time he and BROWN
decided to keep a log or a record of CARLOS MARCELLO's actions
and comments . BROWN wrote down on a "separa tee folder " that
MARCELLO was incoherent , had struggled, and needed to be
restrained . He wrote in the Registered Nurse's name as a witness
and that MARCELLO was making incoherent statements. However,
CATES stated that he does not think that BROWN wrote down any
specific statement or comment made by MARCELLO .
CATES advised that at approximately 2:30 a . m. on
February 28, 1989, CARLOS MARCELLO wa s mumbling incoherently
and then he got their attention by saying " Mother- fucker". CATES
stated he has worked in A unit most of the time and Ml\RCELLO
has not previously used any profanity. CATES then p aid attention
and heard MARCELLO say "That KENNEDY, that smiling mother-fucker,
we'll fix him in Dallas ". About three or four minutes later
MARCELLO said "I want to see PROVENZANO in New York" .
Officer CATES advised that the r est of the night CARLOS
MARCELLO rambled on about insignificant i terns like "I n eed to
go over to the other room and g e t my stuff , I wa nt my New Orleans
newspaper, pass me a cigar," and also about his childre n.
CATES stated that he truly b e lieves tha t CARLOS MARCELLO
thought that both he and BROWN were some type of
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and that he was giving orders and making conversation . CATES
stated that he and BROWN were r e lieved from their guard duty
at approximately 7:45 a.m. on February 28 , 1989, by FCI officers
J. R. HARRISON and HENRY BORMUDEZ. CA'l'ES stated that he did
not tell Officers HARRISON or BURMODEZ about MARCELLO
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statements . CATES stated he is no·t aware if BROWN informed
these officers about MARCELLO ' s statements. BROWN did pass
along his written log on the "separa tee folder". Also, CA'l' ES
again stated that he was not sure if BROWN wrote the specific
comments regarding KENNEDY and PROVENZANO down on his log. CATES
advised that this log in the "separatee folder" may have
accompanied MARCELLO when he wa s transferred by p l ane on March
1, 1989, to the FEDERAL MEDICAL CENTER (FMC ) at Rochester ,
Minnesota. CATES added that during h is entire eight hour shift
he only heard MARCELLO mention the name of KENNEDY one time
and the name of PROVENZANO one time.
CATES stated that on Tuesday , February 28 , 198 9 , he
returned to the FCI, Texarkana, and with the assistance of the
Warden's Executive Office r, Mr . OTT, he prepared a one page
memorandum regarding CARLOS MARCELLO ' s comments . CATES stated
that his memo was directed to Warde n SWINSON a nd h0 has rev i e wed
this memo and it is a true and correct account of what he
remembers.
CATES added that in the last year, he has had occasion
to observe CARLOS MARCELLO go down hill both health wise and
mentally. CATES stated MARCELLO was p r eviously friendly with
the other FCI inmates, but recently he has been more subdued.
CATES remembers that during the Summer of 1988, MARCELLO appeared
to be going through either pre-senility or a depres s ion. MARCELLO
on some occasions did not even want to get out of his cell bunk.
MARCELLO also got confused about eating meals and where his
cell was located. CATES stated that MARCELLO usually had the
assistance of several other FCI inmates who would walk with
him and would help him overcome his forgetfulness .
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ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
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During the past eleven months, Dallas has conducted
an extensive review of the original assassination
investigation (DL 89-43) for information of additional lead
value. In addition, extensive outside reading of articles,
publications, books, and government reports were reviewed
prior to the interview of CARLOS MARCELLO on 9/6/89. Nothing
in any Bureau report has provided any reasonable indication of
MARCELLO'S involvement in the captioned assassination, or that
he assisted OSWALD in the assassination. There have been
numerous outside publications theorizing a connection between
MARCELLO and the assassination, but none of these theories has
been able to provide substantive proof of 11ARCELLO' S
involvement. MARCELLO was intervie,-;ed by Buagents on 9/6/89
at the FEDERAL HEDICAL CENTER (FMC), Rochester, Hinnesota,
regarding his statements on 2/27/89 that he was "going to get
KENNEDY when.he came to Dallas". As exPected, MARCELLO denied
making these statements, as well as denying any involvement in
the assassination of President KENNEDY. MARCELLO denied
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kriowing OSWALD or OSWALD'S uncle, DUTCH MURRET. MARCELLO also
denied knowing EDWARD BECKER, or making a statement to BECKER
in 1962 about having President KENNEDY killed.
It was the opinion of the· agents conducting the
interview of MARCELLO that he was clear and lucid at the time
of the interview, although he would, at times, ramble in a
disoriented manner, apparently attempting to get the interview
off track. Employees at the FMC confirmed MARCELLO would at
times feign being disoriented for his own personal
convenience, but that at other times, he would legitimately be
disoriented. Based on this information, it would appear that
MARCELLO was legitimately disoriented on 2/27/89, thus making
the veracity of his s t   t e ~ e n t s suspect.
Coincidental to the statements by MARCELLO on
2/27/89, the New Orleans Division advised by tel etype dated
3/15/89 that the former Chief of Police and current City
councilman of New Orleans, JOSEPH GIARRUSO, had received a
phone call from an unidentified female caller with a Britis h
accent. The caller claimed to have worked part time for an
attorney in New Orleans for a period of two days some time
between 1966 and 1968. This caller refused to identify
herself, but did provide a telephone number in England. The
caller advised GIARRUSO that she remembered typing a lette r
for the lawyer and that in the letter money was sent to the
mother of LEE HARVEY OSWALD and that a statement was made i n
the letter concerning the KENNEDY assassination.
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place the Bureau
presented facts 25 years after the event that can neither be
confirmed nor dis counted. Dallas is of the opinion that no
additional investigation in this matter is warra11ted, in view
of the fact that this subsequent i nvestigation wa s initiated
based on statements made by MARCELLO while in a semi-coherent
state and that thes e statements were subsequently denied by
MARCELLO when interviewed. In addition, volume upon volume o f
investigation has previously been conducted by the Burea u, as
well as various Congressional sub-committees, and 11one of
these investigat i o<lS has ever established a positive
connection between MARCELLO and the assassination. Any
further pursuit of this investigation will merely 9 ive
appearance of self-doubt regarding the original and subsequent
investigations . Accordingly, UACB, Dallas is clos i ng DL 89-43
(the original KENNEDY assassination), as well a s the curre nt
investigation (DL 175A-109) relating to captione d matter.
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who introduced SA GEORGE E. :S:..A!fD to REID.
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to advise he had information concerning JOHN
subject of an Anti-Racketeering investigation. It
;·: z..s a:;?eed to meet with him on 5/9/67.
On 5/9/67, he mentioned and showed the draft
:-:-.e.nuscript of his new book ent·i tled, "Jungle, U.s .A. which
:·" ::: described as a history and study of organized crime in
U. s. today. Concerning CARLOS MARCELLO, he wrote in
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CARLOS MARCELLO, who made the statement that 1n
to get BOBBY KENNEDy they would have  
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They could not kill BOBBY because the President
;·:ould use the Army and Marines to get them. This would result
ECB3Y l osing his powers as Attorney General because of
t C:e ;1c>·1 President. They would get someone "peppered" up to
do job. Several days later, a person who attended
·c:-:.i.s ::•eet ing t11as interviet·;ed by FBI Agents of the Los Angeles
related what he had heard at Churchill Farms.
r:::-.e of the . Agents are known to the author.· This is
extent of the paragraph concerning the assassination
of JOI-lN F. KENNEDY.
REID said that his informant was reliable over the
yc;ars and related this story to him about 18 months ago.
After leaving New Orleans his informant traveled to Dallas
a::-.d then to Los Angeles and several days later t-:as intervie\>Jed
·c:! Bu::-eau Age:1ts concerning the BILLIE SOL ESTES case and
related the incident at Churchill Farms. He refused
·c.') ide:::1tify his informant, but said he \•Wuld contact his
source and see if his source was agreeable to making his
available to the FBI. The names of the Agents as furnished
REID by his informant were JIM ELDRIDGE and L. BLANTON.
A search of the Los Angeles files disclosed that
and LANFORD L. BLANTON interviewed one
on 11/26/62, who had traveled from ·r
to Los Angeles in connection illith the
''"3ILSOL - NB.t:.; ITSP; MF; case, Bufile 29-28704,
mention was made of CARLOS MARCELLO. No other
:::..::-.te:cvie>·Js by these Agents m.ke an reference to MARCELLO.
::, therefore, appears that is the informant. In
::cepor·c of SA BLANTON dated 11;30 2, page 14 - 16, the results
o:"' the interview v1ith ... are set forth wherein it states
-::-.a. t CARLOS MARCELLO was mentioned in connection with
:::::.nancing for a business proposition. No mention i'las.-;,. made
of tr.e assassination or a discussion concerning the Attorney
G2neral. Interviewing Agents have stated they definitely
c::d not receive such information from anyone intervie\tJed.
Zt should be noted that REID said the interview was conducted
days after meeting at Churchill Farms.
interview with llllll'took place on 11/26/62.
REID was firmly advised that no such information
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informant. He refused to confirm or deny
thatllllll' is his informant.
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His offer was refused. He mentioned he
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5/10/67, REID advised that he again contacted
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:::;. ::; :::-evcaled by REID to the FBI . According to
:::.:::D, the infori::ant ref used and i n his story .
RZID declared that, although toe FBI s t ates t::a. t
not from his informant, he wi ll
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of his publisher .
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the letter which we had received in the mail. BP informed me
had been to the office in the Balter Building
around 3 or_ 4 times she remembers a few of the people who
were in the organization; that she definitely remembers JOSEPH
MOORE. She said that
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'JOSEPH MOORE,.was honorably discharged
'lrom. the- .Harine Corp§ a few months""' after world _War II. BP says
he in his late 20's, had honey blonde hair, blue eyes,
'8" tall from 150 to 160 pounds. . She said he
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English. _ BP said that the person who wrote the letter may have
gotten his address mixed up because one of l-lOORE's associates
was DALZELL, and DALZELL had a partner in some kind of deal in
Lima, Peru. BP said that MOORE did not have any fr-reriasfn-
·particular and whenever she saw him he was with DALZELL or
ARcACHA. fBp said she is pretty certain that MOORE, who was a
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Miami, Fl6r'ida. She does not know where he lived in town,
ARCACHA and DALZELL got him a room somewhere around the office
she believes. BP said that .HOORE had a Southern accent,
possibly from the Southwest, and left right before Christmas
of 1960 and in all was only around the office for about a 2 or 3
week periOd. She saJ.d Chat he just "lilaz'ui in" 8lld §aid (hat
he had read the Friends of in the
BP said that .. . GUY BAN-ISTER ha d on all of
the people around the office at the time; that .. (£9GAN was a CIA
man assigned to ARCACHA and the Fr· D ocratic Cuba and
his counterpart from FB RE EN said
LOGAN was good friends with an that both of them
belonged to the Chess the Hari ime Building. She
said illl membe rs of the gr \.;ere screen d by the FBI and CIA . .-
BP said LOGAN was tall, disti hed ad dark hair and worked
opt of the New Orleani office. She she knew of no car that
· MOORE had. She also said that we should ·check into the
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1963 as she has heard that at least one of had
aid that LEE OSIV'ALD !i t<:wed in one of the upstairs -----""
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court and that she heard
OS't'lALD stayed at the Court and \•ias
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collected. BP also said that she heard that DAVIS tvas 1.n
'in blackmail " " ': that the blackmailing information
came from EGIS KENNEDY. and some New York agents. BP said
we should a 1, black haired \vaiter around 6
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pounds, who is gay and who is either working at the Court or
just recently left in regards to the story about OSWALD staying
at the court. She said we should also get the records of the
waiters and other employees at the Court during the Summer of
1963 and interview those people regarding this same matter.
said there are only around 15 or 20 people in the
of Democratic cuba whereas she may recognize some pictures,
she could not call many by name. She said around
there mostly with GRADY DURHAM JACK MARTIN and
BP said E!rGER could be JIM POOLE who ian
around with DALZELL and who worrrd definitely know JOE MOORE.
She said there is a capias out on .POOLE for issuing worthless
checks and he has fled the jurisdiction of the LQuisiana courts.
said when DALZELL formed the FDC in   he was
staying in'the hotel which is now the John Mitchell. She
DALZELL also spent a lot of time in Peru on some deal which
never She know CHARLIE WHITE
or CLAY GOULD . She
as he was
was le for the dismi ssa l of DALZELL and ,t e e entual
formation INCA. She says that she does not know. who got the _
"BANISTER f1. es BUt she heard of JACK MARTIN trying to sell some
of them. She also said that some of the Cuban people who were
involved in the FDC would have had to register with the Federal
Authorities (Immigration) when they came into town around 12/60
and 1/61. · She said perhaps we should check with the Inunigration
Authorities to find out the identity of these people and that
she ·would be glad to look at any of the pictures which we may
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On ina tion of a photograph of LEE 1-L<\.RVEY OSWALD
New Or 1e2.:;.s Pol ice Departrnen t nu.-:: ber 112 723, MJ;,. ponETTO
s d ho h· d never seen this individu · re and
was positive that he ha never nad any business dealings or
of any with this person.
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NEVER SEEN ANYOtJ£· RES£l1BLING LEE OSWALD STAYING AT THE TOWN AND
COUfffRY 1-JOTE-L,._ HE 5A ID JACK RUBY WAS UNKNOWN TO HIM.
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WERE REVIEWED FOR A PERIOD OF AUGUST, SIXTY TWO TO MAY THIRTY
SIXTY THREE IN THE NAi1ES or JACK LEON RUBY AND LEE HARVEY
0SWALD
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RECTOR AND SACS DALLAS AND NEW ORLEANS
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JACK OSWALD,
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DALLAS AND NEV ORLEANS "A(),'
DESEASED. CR. 00 DALLAS.
RE SAVANNAH TEL TO BUREAU,
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IDENTIFiED
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IDENTITY REMAIN FURNISHED
THE FQL.J-OIIING INfORr1ATION TO au AGENT THIS DATE. I
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OTHER TABLES • O_!!SERy'"tD A YOUNG COUPLE ENIER QltUffi_.
ROOM AND SIT AT TABLE ABOUT TWO TABLES WHERE HE AND
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INDIVlDUAi. H£ BELIEVED   . .
WAS DRESSED IN BLUE SUIT Arm DARK TIE. WOl1MI COMPANION ·
WAS \IHITE fEMALE, AGE TWENTY TWO DASH TWENTY SIX, BLOtiDE
HAIR, FLASHY DRESSER. H£ DESCRIBED OWNER OF RESTAURANT
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AIRMAIL SPECIAL DELIVERY
Priority or Method of Mail
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DIRECTOR, FBI
FROM $AC, PHILADELPHIA ( 157-916) ( P)
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SUBJECT: .... OR ... PRESIDENT . ..
(. .}OHl'L KENNEDY,
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DALLAS, TEXAS
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Enclosed herewith one copy of lette rhead memorandum
for Bureau. Dallas is being f orwarded 25 copies; New Orleans
two c opies ; one copy to Newark for info.
The information set forth in the letterhead memo
was not incorporated in an FD 302 be cause the s ource requested _·_ ..
that his identity be conce aled. 10r.:.i . .
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The source, EUGENE

l.J. Rus s ell street,
Merc}1qnt.v:Llle., ... ,,.No.c. J., lphia Offic e ·· · · · ·' ·
ancC.was interviewed by SA STANLEY s. CZARNECKI. He advised
that he had lived in New orleans up until 8/63 and was employed
there as a race horse NORMAN LA BLANC, who is mentione_sl
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2- Dallas (Enc.- 25) (AMSD) ·)
2 - New Orleans (Enc. - 2) (AMSD) · ·

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1 - Newark (Enco - 1) 20 NO\: :30 EY:J • .. " ·.
1 - Philadelphia (157-916)
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. . ,. " . .. . . !le stated while ).i\ting in NeW Qr1.eans,
contact with SAS JENSEN, BROGAN, and
them with information concerning gamb1.inS in
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ed the information set 'fO!'th iri the' LllM t o t he NeW orleans
agents .becau,se. it was not uncommon t o near manY s outherners
· .. ···talli" .c't'.itica'l .lY of_the KENNED'I• and t he adminis tration in
regard'' t 'O     !le never felt it was important until no>',
. . ,. DELl\ PARRA eJ<Plained that he is an eJ<-Marine, that '·'
he til d . sUffered a nervous breakdOWn during WI! Il• whiJ.e serV- ,
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era1.1Y rationa1. durinS the intervieW. puring t he con"ers ation,
mai'>Y ·mino'i• ·point:l";,ere ·asKed 6f nELl\ PARRA and in each instance
he replied in the s ame way as he origina1.1.Y stated.
PhiladelPhia is not aware of s ubject's stabHitY nor whel
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.'Y · the .,;J<treme i illP·ortance.' of thiS cas e, the info!'matt100t. wa s fu!'- '· :"
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NeW orleans iS requested to evaluate DELl\ PA!UlA, TRAEGEi
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410HN F. kENNEDY I .OVENDER. 22, 1863.
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OD FobruAr)' 13, 1167, a advloe_4 lpeclal..
Acento J. Gooo and PbtJtP.J- . .£arr.oll .oU .b._e •evark
the Federal Bureau of lnveatleatloo that be ba•
rectdinc iD ••• Jersey •tnee 1953. Prior to that tlae
resld•d iD Bew Orleeoo, Louisiana •
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three or four others the
" ·ne ·word ta out to eet the 1Cenned7 famllJ"• ShortlJ after
this etatecent was aade lfiWf?:_ caae loto the bach rooa
of tbe bar aod repeated e a eoeot. . · . ..
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and etated that they are onlJ paylo& ;.oo.· After
reading about the death of Pavid v. Ferr1e1 tD Rew OrleaD8
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•receotl{' the • tnforaatloo that 7err1e ••• tbe
Reraooa pilot lor   ..
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eooctueton• of the Federal Bureau of It t• tbe .
propertJ of tbe Federal Bureau of lnvesttcatioD and te loaDed . : .. .-
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DIRECTOR (62•109060) AND DALLAS
AOPI IEVARK (62•3060) 4P . . • . . ·.
LissA sst .oF .. .PRESIDEtn_.JoHR. F. _Jt£NNEDl:. 1ov. TVEITY
TWO SIXTY THREE, DALLAS, TEXAS.
      _,UREAU IOV. TWENTY TNINE,'
  CAPTIONED AS ABOVE IIITH SUBTIT-LE OF
BAR, H_IGHWAY, REV ORLEANS,
LA., ON£ EUGER£ R. DELA PARRA WAS INTERVIEWED AT
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DELA PARRA CONTI lUES TO RECEIVE THIS DISABILITY. , .. ·.
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ToDAY ,     ... EU1KT: FOUR. SEVEN. HADDON AVE.,
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PARRA ADVISED TONY MARCELLA IS THE BROTHER OF
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DELA PARRA ADVJSED tHAT ONTHIS DATE, TONY
MARCELLA STATED TO BEN TRAEGE.,AND THREE OR FOUR OTHERS AT tHE
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BEN TRAEGEL CAME TO DELA PARRA
lJ THE BACK ROOM OF THE BAR. AND REPEATED THE STATEMENT • .
BEN TRAEGEL VAS LAUGHING AND ADDED THEY ARE ONLY PAYIRB
ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. .

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THE·IIFO AGAIN TO THE OFFICE OF tHEFBJ.
DELA PARRA ADVISED THAT AFTER READING ABOUT THE DEATH OF
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DELA PARRA STATED THAT HE, JS ALSO A HORSE TRAilER
USED TO TAKE CARE OF ONE OF VINCENT MARCEltA•s HORSES •
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·-·:'· ··?·· •atloD that BERJfARD AllRED ftBGLE, a BORIIAlf .JOSEPH LE • .. ·
f_ _. Or' a YIJfCERT .JOSEPH IWlCBLID bave been lavolved ta an7 la&te .j.t .. ·
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· I · • ·"-. tbat the three afore•entioned ladtvtduala have ever beea ... G-! : · · .. ·
. , w1tb LEE BARVII OSWALD or aUBY. . :· .. ·: .... :.· :·: _ .... .
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Revenue b7. • -Supervlaor • .. ·:.· : t· ·. ·
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dent of Malls, V. 1. Post Office, Shreveport, Louisiana, ad- ·.at · ..
vised SA DONALD R. BEIJIONT be was unable to locate any record .: :':·" . . :·'·
of a WILLIAM L. CHACE, WILLIAM L. CRASE• or WALTER LIACBIIAII . . ·, .=. ·.· : . ,
receivinl aa11 throuch that post office. This included a check ·. ··: ... . · .. .
,._ . ... . · ·of the individuals receivinc aail tbroucb General De11Yery • . &
etated bia records failed to reflect aa address of 1142 Lee . . _..•
Road la Shreveport or outside the city liai ta of Shreveport. : _. ..... :·· ·. ·
Be atated the nearest thins be could find to a street .of thla :;.:: ::.>·< ...
aa•e was Lee Street, which waa located outside the -city lialta. .. -
north of town, but consisted of only tbe. tortyfive bUJl.dred . .. · .. ::.
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.• ,:·.·· -·-·:.: ... : ·.· ·Mr. BAIIPTOR.atated tbe ·Shreveport· Post Office doe•
.. -: use a aone au•ber e • . Be aaid Zip Code I 71106 .cover• the Cedar .... ..
Grove area of Shreveport, but tbat a cbeck of the records of tbe · . . ·
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l'ew Orleans, Louisiana, adviEed SAs EUGENE E. BJORR aad .. ·. .t
. . DEAN s. LYTLE, .lfovember 30, 1963, that abe was not acquainted . . . ·.. 1.1
.-·. · ' wltlj LEE HARVEY OSWALD and had Dever aeen or heard of bta
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·. . . She tnfor•d that •be bad received literature .
. hlr PlaJ for tuba eo-ittee. but that 8be 'bad Dever . .
;-;:<·-': ... : aeetlns• or associated wl tb an1 persons who were affiliated w . .
. · .. _., .. · . the aroup. She did Dot know who was responsible tor ·ber bel .. .
. :.: . aent the literature, but added abe bad been receivtac the · ..
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.1"' R£ fJE\·1 ORLEANS TEL fWVErlDER TWENTY EIGHT IrJSTAr-lT, ELEVEN
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· IS A SUl·li·1ARY OF GENERAL ltWESTIGATION BY
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ORLEAUS OFFICE NOVEMDER TWENTY NINE.
SEPARATE TELETYPES HAVE BEEN SENT BUREAU Aim DALLAS ON . ulf6
SPECIFIC UIVESTICATIOH AS A RESULT OF SPECIFIC LEADS. . .
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On November 28, 1963, the Philadelphia Division
advised folloWing had been received by an individual requesting
his identity be protected. Source he lived in New
and was employed there as race horse groom up until August, 1963.
Stated he is ex-Marine, sutfered nervous breakdown tturing
World War II, and rece1 ved Government disabil1 ty. Source
appeared generally rational during converaJtsen•

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close ·rriend of TRAEGEL, and his horae trainer, and
one i'PROli'E·ssoR·''-··· (TNU-)-1 were looking at an adyertiaement which
in a de.te.c.t_i ve magazine regarding to reign made ritle
Wliich- was . aQld tor $12.gs;--mcr-'TRAEGEL·· atated -to· those present,
source: . "fhrs- wourd· be if· H1 CEf .. rifle to buy to get the
President ; ·--Tnere is a ·price on the Presidez,t 's bead and other
.members of the KENNEDY family. Somebody will kill JCENNEDY
when he .oomes down South."
Source described TRAEGEL as extremely anti-KENNEDY
: and anti-Negro,· very outspoken, and has made many· alanderous
remarks re President and Mrs. KENNEDY.
He stated VINCENT MARCELLO, New Orlearua
friend of' TRAEGEL and financial backer or
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was int;;viewed at 8115 Airline lffl'W OrleaJII, L011i16iau..
Be aaid be was temporarily residing· in Mttww Orleans a.t 1111
Centra enue is 81Jployed .._s a trainer. ! OJ:t,. ·
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ALFRED TRBGLE make any c ents . that he could coDStrue as
being a threat physi lly the President of the Vatted
States or a!IJ other GoverDilental official. Jut was .
a • • s r.aaUgDJ.st __ .,Jld 1a a .. re that TRBGLE f elt the. •
but in rf!lation to this, bad nevt\r heard TREC-LE aD;J
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-recalls that TREGLE and all Ot68rs at the establiahaent were
upset because of tbe President'• d•ath.
According to LBmARC, be d<'e& nc.t know a!llJODe who
·used to hang at TREGLE 'a, known as the "pl"'ofessor."
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A GLE.-· wa.s in Jle1r OrleaDS the entire dayot Bov--.r 22,
lV! . ·8he- ·aa1d 81le bad aever beard him aake aray t.U.at•
'to barm tbe President of tbe United states or &117 other
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i bop • hank , , looa. .osL.at . ..his . .. resid&D'-\&1' .. He was advised of the
dentity of the interviewing Agent:· tht.t b-. was required .
to aubmit to interview, that anythiag be aight aay could be
used acainst him in a court of law, and that he could first
consult an attorney. •o threats, rewards, pro.mises or other
inducements were made to TREGLB in connection with thiS
interview and be voluntarily advised as follows:
- Be said- that_ a Jft>RIIAN is a
horse trainer who had worked· for TREGLE duriug the early
part of 1963 when TRBGLB bad race horsu. BE! aaid
LEBLANC was presently a horse traJ.ner for a OIL IIARCHEMD. Be
aaid that LEBLANC spends all of his spare time a.t TRBGJ.I .!.f ·
borse book or the Lounnor Restaura:!k 6115::!)r n 'ile .B'iehw.a;J..,...
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t hat -he recalls November and all during that day
be was around his place of business; and it iS his recollection
that MORMAN JOSEPH LEBLANC was either at the horse barns at
Jefferson Downs Race Track or at.-611§. ..
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P.rOtiisor." ·
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.. as a result has never· agreed with President JOHN F. DHNEDY •.s
Civil Rights Program; and in connection with this he · feels
that it is his prerogative to do so and express himself ·
accordingly. Be stated, however, that he can Dever reca.ll
. at any time aaking aDJ COIIIIIlents which could be construed aa a
threat on his part: to kill the President of the United 8tatea.
or anyone else. Be could not recall any incident in which
he was · looking at a rifle advertisement and then commenting
that this rifle could be used to harm anyone; and further,
be could not recall ever saying that the -President of the
United States would be ahot if he aade a visit to the Southern
area of the country.
. TREGLE stated although he did not like
PresideDt .JENNEDY as a President be bas never been sasoeiated
with any of a political naturA that had a specific
purpose "fighting" the current administratimS Civil Rights Program.
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NEW ORLEANS ADVISE BUREAU AND DALLAS OF PERTINENT INFO RI
TRAEGEL AND TRAEGEL/S ASSOCIATES MENTIONED.
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Dear Mr. Weberman:
2 5AUG 1993
This is in response to that portion of your 21 June 1993
letter (Item 13) regarding your 22 March 1993 Freedom of
Information Act (FOIA) request for records pertaining to
Project Merrimak, Project Resistance, Project 2 and Carlos
Marcello. The remainder of the items in your 21 June letter
will be the subject o f separate correspondence.
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Mr. D'Avy was shown approximately 60 photograpshs and asked to identify those
that he knew. He identified the following photographs as people that seem
to him but that he can not remember anything specific about:
Lendido Richante
Miguel Mariano Cruz
Roy Hargl!aves
Gordon Novel
John B Meadows
William Brady
Norberta Fernandez
Leonard Walle
Florencio Villurea
Roberto Cortez
The following people 'were identified by photograph that Mr. DJAvy positively
remembered as having seen them around the Court of Two Sisters Restaurant
loca ted at 613 Royal St. New Orleans, La. This Restaurant and bar has an
entrance in the 600 block of Bourbon St. also, Mr. D'Avy·worked as a door-
man at this entrance from 1961 to 1963.
Harold B. Sandoz Jr.
Jose Mayoral ' Pepe
Ferrie
Sergio Arcacha Smith
Thomas Beckham
Clay Shaw
Lawrence Howq,rd
Fred Lee Crisman
Jack Ruby
Mr. D'Avy also knows Eugene Davis but the investigators did not have a
photograph of him at this J.rr. D
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and the first and second "tramps" as having been 'in his company.
Eugene "Gene" Davis was the ms.nager, Margaret Tannebaum was the bookeeper
and Nick Karno was the owner of the Court of Two Sisters. As the doorman
on Bourbon St. Mr. D
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is one of the better places to eat in the French Quarter. It is a favorite
with the tourist trade which the doorman attempts to introduce to the people
wlking on Bourbon St. It is not a neighborhood type bar and very few
just hang around in any part of the business. .Anyone not dressed for
an:,eveni.ng meal would not be allowed to come into the place. It was not a
black tie affair but people in work clothes would not be allowed in.
Mr. D only at night and was pai d in cash by Gene D3.vis. Ten dollars
a night. One night while he was working the door a young man that he later
realized was Lee Harvey Oswald came up to him and asked him if he knew where
Clay Bertrand was. D' Avy replied that he did not know and inquired of
Margaret Tannebaum if anyone by that name worked in the place. Gene Davis
was standing nearby and told that he would speak with the young man.
Oswald and Havis then went into the restaurant for a while. Later as Oswald
was leaving D<tAvy heard Gene tavis tell a waitress (unknown name but tall
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put a time or date to this meeting.
The second time that D'Avy saw Oswald was sometime near Nov. of 1963. D'Avy
missed Gene Davis the night before and did not get paid. He went to the Court
of Two Sisters in the day sometime after noon and asked where he could find
Gene Davis. A waiter told him that Gene Davis was in the storeroom, The
waiter had to tell D'Avy how to get to the storeroom because he had never been
there before. D
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a porch that was .on the second floor of a building that ran alongside of the
Patio where customers ate. He walked to the last two doors near the Bourbon
St. side ( the staircase was on the Royal St. side). He knocked on the door
and someone aaid to come in. He w_lked into the second room from the Bourbon
St. side and saw Gene Davis in that room with Oswald laying on an iron posted
bed wearing black pants, David Ferrie was l ooking out of a window towards the
back of the rooms, Ferrie was sitting on the bed as if they ahd been talking
and stopped when he came in. To his left was another room and thru the door
he could see that it was a kitchen and there were two army type cots set up
with covers on them as if some one was using them as beds. In this room he
saw two Americans, The man he saw best looked like the phot ograph of the
first tramp. The other:·man looked like the second tramp. No one except Gene
talked and he onl,: said " see you That was the only other time that
he saw Oswald, D•Avy stated that Oswald looked
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He couldn't elaborate any furhter on the description but he insisted that
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He usually had a Cuban guy with him when he came there. He never saw who Ferrie
talked to because of his position out front. He only saw him come in and
leave.
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Pepe" ¥.ayoral was the head waiter and is now back in Miami, Fla. Fepe
was good friends with Harold Snadoz Jr. D'Avy would take Jose Hayoral
and Harold Sandoz around to ·the Cuban bars on Decatur 5t. after they got
off of work. The place that they would go to that he can best is
the Casa de Las Marinas located at 601 Dectur St. He also seems to remem-
ber the Las Americas as a place they went. It is located in the 400 Blk
of Decatur St. D'avy didn,t.t know many cubans but he says that after the
Bay of Pigs invasion that a lot of them cqme to work at the restaurant. D
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remembers seeing Sergio Arcacaha Smith, Thomas Beckham, and Clay Shaw but
never talked to them and can not put them together in the business. He
identifies the photo of Fred Lee Crisman as a man that came around almost
every weltk during 1963 and Gene Davis used to introduce him as
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in a joking manner. Crisman said that he was from Baton Rouge. D
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not remember the name he only recognized the face. He said that he remem-
bers Fred Crisman had a white ca. r and he used to park it in the no parking
zone in front of the netrance and would give four or five dollars for
watching it for him.
One night a car parked in the zone with a license tag and he went to
the street side and politely told the driver that this was a restricted zone.
The driver unpolitely slapped him in the face and laughed at him then drove
off. He hea rd the girl on the passenger side ask " why did you do that Jack".
He could not remember what the other people in the car looked like. He states
that this was the only time that he saw the guy and when he saw photos of
Jack Ruby he recognized him.
Mr. D'Avy stated that he called Jim Garrison in 1967-68mnd took a trip
to New Orleans and told him about the above related incident involving Oswald
and Clay Bertrand. He did not tell Mr. Garrison about the upstairs meeting
bedause he was afraid at the time. At that time he took a polygraph examina-
tion adminstered by the D.A.
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for this investigation. He was not called to testify in the Clay Shaw trial.
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Davis was named by New Orleans Attorney Dean Andrews as the
Clay or Clem Bertrand that called him on Nov. 22, 1963 and asked him to re-
present Lee Oswald in Dallas, Texas. Then District Attorney Jim Garrison
charged and convicted Dean Andrews for perjuring himself when he testified
before the Orleans Parish Grarid Jury for identifying Davis and as
being the same person. Dean Andrews testified before the Wanren Commission
and claimed not to know who the man was that retained him to represent Oswald.
The owner of the Court of Two Sisters Nick Karno is a close associate of
Carlos Harcello and is alledged to have his names on businesses in the French   ..
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Nick Karno is presently fighting trial
dates which his attornies have been sucessfully putting off since Karno was
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His trial has been postponed due to his having a serious heart condition.
The investigators did not talk to Nick Karno relative to this matter.
The investigators talked with Eugene Davis several times during October and
November of 1977. He is cordial and states that he is willing to help in \
this investigation. He was not interviewed but in general conversation he
denied knowing or ever having seen Lee Harvey Oswald. He does not know any
thing about Clay Shaw and can not understand why Andrews named him as Clay
Berttrand. Gene Davis now owns Wanda's Bar located at 704 Iberville St. in
the French Quarter. This bar is a homosexual hangout. Eugene Davia stated
that there were rooms above the Court of Two Sisters Patio but they were
used as storerooms and Nick Karno had an apartment up there that no one could
use except Karno.
As stated above Gene Davis denies knowing Clay Shaw or Lee Oswald or
anything about their activities. He also deneis knowing Jack s. Martin.
In an interview with Thomas Beckham on November 8, 1977 the reporting inves-
tigattDrs were told that Eugene "Gene" Davis attended parties with Shaw
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ham, Ferrie and Martin in David Ferrie's apartment. Beckham was asked to
get phony degrees and certificates for Gene Davis in 1963. He did and gave
them to Jack S. Martin to give to Gene Davis. The investigators will speak
with Mr. Dqvis further and any additioanl information will be reported.
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Interviewed by: Belford Lawson, Jack Moriarty
Date: June 23, 1977
Location: Rm. 3311, House Annex i2
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B: Aaah, I'm Staff Counsel Belford Lawson, with the Kennedy
Task Force, this is Jack Moriarty. Do you want to identify
yourself for the tape, Jack?
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M: I'm Jack Moriarty, an investigator on the Kennedy Task Fo+ce.
We're here room 13311 of the 12 Annex Bldg. for the U.S. Bouse
of Representatives, interviewing a Mr. Leander D'Avy, whose has
responded here from DeRidder, La. in response to what appears to
be an anonymous phone call from a lady inviting him to report
to Mr. Stokes' office. He reported last night and he's still
here t ~   i s morning. ·
B; Why don't you identify yourself for the tape, Mr. D'Avy •
D: My name is Leander D'Avy, I'm from Louisiana, and I have
some information on the Kennedy assassination.
B: Ok. Do you consent to tell us everything that you're going
to tell us on this tape?
D: Yes sir, and I'll even take a polygraph test if you want
me to.
B: Ok, so, no one has forced you to do this against your will,
you're doing it very much of your own will? \double voice)
D: Very much of my own, my own.
B: OK, very good. So go ahead, you can tell us anything you
like.
D: Well, in 1960, I retired out of the Air Force, af ter 20 years,
3 months and 13 days. And I went to work at the Court of Two
Sisters in Ne\'-1 Orleans, on Burge r St. as a doorman. And in
1962, this young man walks up to me and he asks me if there was
a Clay Burtrand working there. I told him I don't know any Clay
Burtrand working here, and at the same time, the night manager,
Gene Davis was in the tavern and I, ah, said - Gene, do we have
a Clay Bertrand working here? And Gene said - send the young ·
man in here, r·• 11 talk to him. Just like that. So I sent him
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comes up to the door vhere I'm standing, talks to one of the
Ivai tresses in there, and -he says, - see that young He's
just oome-from behind the Iron Curtain. Well, I didn't put
no assassination n'that together- it hadn't happened yet, and
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I didn't pay no attention to it. So, well, went on, and also
about tvo years, I mean about 2 veeks before the assassination,
I was called one Saturday morning to go pick up my check. I
valked into the, ah, Court - Court is the Patio Restaurant - the
Court of Two Sisters.
B: What's the name of the restaurant?
D: The Court of Two Sisters.
B: OK
D: It's a patio restaurant.
a little veranda up there, I
about 25' off the ground.
I walked into the patio, and there's
walked up there about, I'd say
B: Now you're talking about two weeks before the assassination?
D: Right. And, ah, I went up there to pick up my check, so then
I asked where Gene Davis was, they said- he's up there in the
store room. So, I went up there, and it wasn't no store room,
they had a stove, had a little apartment up there, had a bed in
it, had five men in it. One of them was Lee Harvey Oswald, I
recognized him after the assassination, you know. He was laying
across the bed, and one of them was David Ferrie, the pilot of
the plane that committed suicide. I'd seen David come into the
Court of Two Sisters with a Cuban friend, quite often, and there
was a bunch of Cubans working at the Court of Two Sisters at the
time, and, well, and there's some guys like Harold Sanders, he
owns a restaurant over in ah, Grand Isle (?),La. Now he used
to be a bum on Bourbon St. But he was with this Cuban Pepe, they
would go, every night they'd go around, walk around, go to these
Cuban places, and then all of a sudden, I think Pepe and Harold
was looking for somebody, at the time. Anyhow, about two weeks
before the assassination, I on to get my check, to get
back on my story again, and ah, I'm rambling now because I've been
up all night .
B: It's all right, go ahead.
D: So, ah, I went down to get my check and show me (indistinguish
and-there was a guy, young guy that showed me a picture, and I
recognized the guy, too. He had on, had on, had on, a, a, a,
seaman outfit, khaki pants, seaman's cap, and·-'whiskers on his
face. And he, I told him, I says, I've seen that guy before,

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I wasn't thinking about the meeting, you know, this was in '68,
this part. Anyhow, this guy made some kind of to me,
and I can't remember what-is was, and it's an important remark.
But I   remember what it was.
B: When, now, are you saying this guy was at the meeting?
D: Yeah.
B: Were you saying that the Cuban Pepe and the guy Sandos
were at the meeting, also?
D: No, they weren't there.
B: I see.
D: But Gene Davis was up there with him, so in 1968, when I
went home to Appaloosa to visit my mother, see, I, I, I, did-,
I forgot about everything, you know, and, ah, didnit think·
ab0"..lt it, yo1J Y..now, but I didn't think people. there was
in anything like that, at first. So, I got to thinking, and I
read in my home town paper, The Appaloosus Daily World, which
is a local paper, that - it had a picture of Gene Davis on the
back - he was in the paper, wanting to call his But
Jim Garrison had him in his office, asking him about, if he knew
a man named Clay Bertrand, and asking him questions, you know.
And Gene Davis denied, according to the news, denied knowing
or ever hearing of Clay Bertrand, or hearing .of Lee, ever seeing
Lee Harvey Oswald. So, me, I go back to Jackson, Miss., where
I was living, I called Andy DeShambra, a friend of mine that
was working at the time as an Assistant to Jim Garrison. I told
Andy what I knew. Andy paid my bus fare from Jackson, Miss.,
to New Orleans, put my up for two nights in the Fountainbleu
l·Io tor He. tel, and, and, and I, you know, and I ate there and
everything. And they paid it. Because they wanted it all on
tape. And he ah, .•.•.
B: Let's stretch it back now, you said there were five people
at this meeting?
D: Yeah.
B: Oswald, Ferrie, and this guy with whiskers?
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the, the little one, the little one in that picture was
guy that h8d the whiskers.
B: The tramps, you mean?
0: Yes.
M: Those are the only two pictures we have. (In background)
B: Oh, so you could identify .•••. ·•
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B: .••... all those three tramps.
D: Yes sir. sure can.
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when I see •em.
B: All right .
D: Because they were in that meeting, and Gene Davis denied
knowing anything about anything like that. So when I went up
to Jim Garrison's office, they had me call Gene Davis up at his
he now owns - he didn't even have a shirt on his back. I had
to loan him a shirt sometimes, to work as the night manager
there. He now owns a bar in New Orleans.
B: Gene Davis is a liar. (double voice)
D: Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's a liar.
B: Do you think Gene Davis knows the names of those other
three guys?
D: I think Gene Davis is in on the conspiracy, all the way
through.
M: \'/hat's the name of Gene Davis' bar, today?
D: I think it's the Ship-Ahoy, I'm not sure.
M: And where is it?
D: It's off of Bourbon St. in the Quarter.
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to these five people that were at the meeting, Lee Harvey Oswald,
number one, Ferrie, number two, ..•
D: Gene Davis.
M. Gene Davis, number three.
D: Might have been six of them over there·, but them other three
was there, too.
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M; Who was number five?
D: It was that big tall tramp.
M: The other tramp was number five.
D: Yeah, the tall tramp.
H: And is a "':hird tramp ir.volved?
D: I believe he was there, too, but I didn't see -- there was
somebody -- I only seen five people. But there was somebody
in the back of the kitchen. Because I heard somebody. I didn't
stay in there long. He just handed me my check after the guy
said something to me and I walked out.
M: And what was the exact location of this room, where they
we re?
D: It's, well, there's two doors, the two end doors on the veranda,
it ends, you know, up there. And it's on a veranda, there's two
e nd -doors, you go in either one of them, you go right into it.
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D: This was about t\t/o weeks before - two or three wee.ks before
the   in 1963.
N: Two or three weeks before the assassination. Do you remember
the day of the week? was it like on a week-end, the middle of
the week?
D: It was on a Saturday.
M; On a Saturday.
D: Because I went up there to get my check.
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M: OK
0: •cause I can remember it now.
M: And, and, was that, were you supposed to walk in that room
to get your check?
D: No
M; What, What, ah, how come you went in there?
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I don't know if he knew what was going on, but he said Gene's
up there in the store room. I thought it was a store roam all
the time (indistinguishable). And, ah, so I went up there, and
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at this oth-, the -, and Oswaid was just laying across the bed.
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D: Yeah, the little tramp, the one .with the beard. He had a
beard, at the time.
B: No mustache, just beard.
D: No mustache, just like, without a shave, you know.
M: Oswald was laying across the bed. was he the only one
laying across the bed?
D: Yean, and this CUban fella that runned around, that ran
around with David Ferrie?
M: Uh-huh.
D: He was sitting on the of the bed.
M: Did you recall his name? Did you recall?
D: No, I never ••.. ·
M: Not Pepe?
D: No, not Pepe, no. This was another one.
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D: Yeah, he had a sport shirt on.
M: Do you remember what color?
D: ; It was all the different colors of flowers.
M: How about his pants - dungarees of dress pants on or
D: I bhink he wore white dungarees, white, white levis.
M: Uh-huh
D: And that's a long time ago, I'm trying to remember. ·
M: Yeah, I realize that. Did he sit up on the bed, when you
came in, or did he stay lying down?
D: Uh, you know, uh, he wasn't laying down, he was leaning on
his elbow, like this, on the bed, you know? Laying on the bed
on his elbow.
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of cards, or bottles of whiskey, or •... • •
0: No, they didn't have no whiskey up there that I saw.
M; AAh, any papers of brief cases or •• • ••
0: I can't remember that far, I'll be honest.
M; You couldn't tell from what you saw, what they were doing?
D: No, but I can remember the faces.
M: And there were no women up there?
0: No women, no women.
M: Ah, everybody was bla-, uh,   and nobody was black?
0: No black.
M: OK (pause)
M: All right. So anyway, Gene Davis has got a - he's got the
Ship-Ahoy now, down in the French Quarter?
0: Yeah, I think that's the name of it.
M: Uh-huh, and it's a pretty big place, or a little place?
Uh, Uh, I don't know, I haven't seen- tell you what, when
I went up to- when he saw me up there Garrison's office
I knew it was going to get back to Paulus Marcelo or one of
them, 'cause I'm talking. And my life won't be worth a plug
nic k e l if they find out.
Uh-huh •
D: 'Cause I'd like to g e t it str a i g ht before they get them
beh i nd bar s or something, or bef ore the y g e t ahold of me .
M; Yeah. B: Yeah
M: Well, I think . .. •..
D: 'Cause I - right then and there, I moved out of New Orleans,
right the next day, •••
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M: Did you ah, did you use your automobile to move?
D: Yeah ...
M: What kind of car did you have?
D: I had a old beat-up Chevrolet.
M; What year was that, do you recall?
0: '54 Chevy.
M: A '54 Chevy, and this was in 1963, it was about nine years
old.
D: Right.
M; What kind - was it a station wagon, or a convertible?
D: No, no, a coupe •
M: A coupe, that's a two door?
D: Yeah, I just move-, I didn't move out of Jackson, I just
moved from one ah, from an apartment I was living in to a house.
M; I see. What color was your two door coupe?
D: It was gray.
M; Gray, uh-huh, all rig.ht.
D: I remember that. Yes.
M: You were still married to your   x ~ w i f   then.
D: Yeah.
M: And what was her name?
D: Maxine Gi ll.
M: Maxine Gill. Where is she - where is Maxine no w?
D: Living s omewhe re in Jackso n, s he' s marri ed _again.
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D: They tell me his name is Charles Williams. I don't know.
B: Charles Williams.
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Do you think, ah, why do you think that - you say that there
a Cuban guy who told you to do up to the room.
0: No, I don't know if he-was a Cuban or not. I can't remember
who it was .....
M; You don't remember who it was?
0: Don't remember ..•..•
M: Did waiter. go up to the room with you?
D: No, just told me, just told me, I said - where is Gene -
and he say he's up there in the storeroom.
M: So what you're saying is, you went up there by yourself.
Nobody else saw what you saw.
D: Nobody else saw what I saw.
B; This t1as usually pa:r tiay, this Sat:urday was pay day?
M: I guess you had to go get your pay every Saturday.
0: Yeah, just about.
M: Did you ever go up in that room before?
D: No, that's the first time. Usually he was downstairs or
something.
M: But it was usual that you would go to him wherever he was?
Rather than go to a place, like the cashier, to pick up the check?
D: Yeah, he always car..cied 'en1.
M: Always carried them. (pause) Incidently, how much money
did you make?
D: Ten dollars a night.
M: And did they pay you by check or in cash?
D: They paid me cash.
M: Cash. Once a
D: Once a week. That's $50.00- I worked five days a week. Twu
days off, a week.
M; you going to get a check from them or were you goinq
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Did yocr get cash from him that day?
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Yeah, yeah.
M:
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I said check a while ago, I meant cash.
I'm half blurry.
M;
What were your days off, the same ones all the time, or ..•.
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Sunday and Monday.
H:
All, every week, Sunday and Monday.
D; Yeah, right.
B: Who was ah, Gene's assistant?
D: Gene was the assistant. The main manager was Lewis Karno.
and I don't know abcut him.
M: How do you spell Lewis' last name?
D; 'Cause I- I tell you what in my whole time I worked here
twice I got fired by him, then he called back the next year to
come back to work. By
M: By Lewis?
D: Yeah, Lewis Karno.
•'l: Ah, how do you spell his .....
D: I fig-, I figure now, I didn't figure then, but I figure
no", that the reason that there was somebody coming that they
didn't want me to see.
I see.
I'm ah, I'm having a little trouble Lewis' last
name.
D: K-a-r-n-o.
M:
K-a-r-n-o, OK.
THink he's still alive?
D:
Oh, yeah.
M:
Where is he, what's he doing now?
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opalooses (sounds like) that I knew ____ _
M; Uh-huh.
D: She told me that the whole gang, not the Cubans, but the
other people that were working at the Court, at that time,
are working at the 500 Club right now, Lewis is also there.
M: How large a gang do you think this is?
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D: Oh, my goodness, they got Ms. T., they got Harold Tanenbaum,
B:
Hold it.
Harold Tanenbaum? You say you got Mr. Key.
D:
Ms. T.
B: Ms. T.
D:
but
That's Mrs. Tanenbaum, she used to be married to Harold,
no more. They call her Ms. T., that's all I know.
B:
You think all of them were in on· it together, huh?
D:
I don't believe the whole - I don't it was a consp-, a real
conspiracy, right there.
B:
Ah, what's Hrs. T's real name?
D: Ah, I don't know.
M:
What'd they call her, everybody just called her Mrs. T.?
D: Ms. T.
M: Hs. T. OK.
D:
She was the cashier - in the restaurant part.
M:
OK. Ah, they're all working at the 500.
name of the 500?
D: That's it, the 500 Club.
M; The 500 Club.
D: It's a strip joint.
M; is that, is that
D: It's also owned by Carlos Marcelo.
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o: Yeah. (pause) It's also on Bourbon St. (pause) And I'll
tell you what That night that I saw this Oswald, · you
know?
M: Uh-huh.
D: He went to the Show Bar and I didn't know it. They have a
jam session there, you know, every, every n1-, ••••••••
M: Show Bar.
D: Yeah. That's also owned by Carlos Marcelo.
M: That's still a third place now.
D: Yeah.
M: Mm-hm.
D: In fact, ever-, ev-, ever-, practically every joint ·on
Bourbon St. . ....•
M: He probably ·owns them all down there.
D: I -, I'll tell you what happened. Every, . ever-, every, ever-,
every night t have to help carry - · Ronnie Metranga (phonic) was
the guy that picked all the money from this pin-ball machines,
and all that. I'd carry sacks of coins that high into the office,
roan, and they were heavy.
B; And you carried them around from Club to Club, is that •••• ?
D: No, they's pick -, he'd, he'd go out and pick 'em up at all
these stores, . ah. you know, has pin-ball machines in 'em.
M: Oh.
D: See, Carlos Marcelo owned, he owns right now, I'd say about
175 bars in the city of New Orleans.
M: How, now how do you know ••...• ?
D: You know, huh?
M: How do you know that?
D: I know because I found it out, I just found it out.
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but I just don't know how you - how you get this information.
'r 'i 0: I hear-, I heard Gene Davis and all them talking about all
the bars they own.
M: Uh-huh.
D: Heard 'em talking. And ah, what was I gonna• say now?
(long pause)
M; Maybe you were going to tell us who else is in Gene Davise
group. In this gang, this Harold Tanenbaum, and Ms. T., and •••
0: Oh, oh, no, but I can tell you, I can tell you - there was
a bar - William Livesy, but he was in prison, he went to
prison, for murdering a boy. Manslaughter, they called it.
M: William's last name, again?
D; William Livesy, L-i-v-e-s-y. Livesy. -s-a-y.
M: Uh-huh.
D: He, ah, he killed a boy by the name of - he-, here's the
funny part about it, he killed a boy by the name of ah, Perry
Tanenbaum. No relation to Harold, I don't think.
M: Uh-huh.
D: On this T- E thing. He was from ·Jacksonville, Fla.
M: Perry was.
D: Yeah. And this boy got into an argument about something in
the Club, and killed him; hit him in the head with a chair.
Before Perry died, I heard Perry say, myself, - Why did they do
this? I'm one of them. I think they killed him because he was
saying he wasn't supposed to say. And, ah, ••.••
M; You think these were working -- go ahead.
0: Well, there was a bunch of other young, young hoodlums that
come into the Court of Two Sisters that just, just, the-, th-,
they carried guns, too. In their holsters. And they were young
boys, like, like, like ex-G.I. age, or something like that.
M: Do you think this conspiracy to kill Kennedy was working
for Marcelo?
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president Kennedy became President, when he was a Senator, if
you think back, he also was trying to get Carlos Marcelo deported,
... - there was, you know, a big stink about it. Do you remember?
' All right, when he become President that's - I think there was
three organizations - well, one, one organization is the CIA, but
I don't believe they - I mean, the regular CLA was in on it.
I believe there was at least two guys that used to belong to the
CIA - well, I heard, I heard 'em talk - somebody talking around
the Court, there, I don't know who it was, Gene or somebody,
but there was two men that was members of the Bay of Pigs
invasion, along with a bunch of Cubans. And I think them CUbans
were from the Bay of Pigs invasion, •cause there was a bunch of
them there. And they, and they, and they would stick to them-
selves. One of them, I tried to be friendly with him, he says
man, you come messing around me, he says, I'll pull a knife
on you and cut your guts out.
B: Do you remember his name?
D: Yeah, the}· call him A.1.1dre. He was a little bitty short Cubdn
'bout like that.
M: Hm. Where is Andre now, do you know?
D; No I don't know. When - about two weeks before Kennedy was
assassinated, everybody disappeared. 0, I was going . to tell
you - I remember what I wanted to tell you, now - when was
Oswald went over to the Show Bar, I ah, I went down there that
night, you know, see, •cause I like that good music you
know, Dixieland, and I love Dixieland, they have a jam session
there, you know, early in the morning.
B: Mm-hm.
D: So, ah, and I sing a little, too. And, ah, we were there,
and, ah, and I'm sitting down, and the guy that was the doorman,
that got me the job at the Court of Two Sisters.
B: Is that right?   voice) Who was that?
D: They call him Tiger, that's all I know is Tiger. And he was
from Key West, Fla. And he was friendly with all them Cubans.
You know? American boy. Ah, and he walked past me from the bar,
he was talking to this guy that I seen; you know, one day, Clay
Bertrand, and they were talking about the bar. He walks up to
him, for no reason at all, and knocks the hell out of me. And
he, they said he used to be a professional fighter. So, I, I, I
just backed off and started crawling, trying to get on my feet,
but I couldn't do it, he kept crowding me. I gave a shove
with my feet, knocked him. clean across the room, and I got · up
and t started to leave the place, run out, you know, that's the
best thing to do. My old man always taught me, if you can't
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alone, man, leave him alone, what's the matter with you? See,
a-, a-, and Tiger said this - Yeah, but he knows about us. He
knows about us, he said it twice. And I ran out, I di9n't know
·-;what he was talking about at the time.
(voice in background - undistinguishable)
D: Now, on this Jim Meyers, personally I don't think Oswald
had the ability to shoot that distance and kill President Kennedy.
This is my opinion, now.
B: Did you ever hear about him doing any rifle shooting, or any
practicing?
D: No, no.
B: Did you ever hear any comment about him shooting in the early
D: No, but I know Jim Myers, now. He, he come down ,there from
Phoenix, Arizor.a, No, from Scotts>·ille, Arizona. He come down
in a brand new '62, '61 or '62 Cadillac. Brand new, convertible.
And him and Harold Sandors got to be friends, too. And, ah,
Harold picked up the trunk, they were going fishing, or something,
and I seen rifles, and pistols, and everything in the trunk of
that man' s car.
B: And when was this?
D:
That was in - tha.t was about 1962.
B:
\vell, how close can you say, Spring- Summer, Fall?
D:
About Spring, about Spring. That's when the crabs are coming
out.
M: And where was this?
D: At the Court of Two Sisters. Right by the door.
thing .....
And another
B: Well, wait a minute, was this when Oswald was in town?
D: Yeah.
B: So it was, I mean, when you went to- when you ...... .
D: No, no, oh, oh, that, no, I don't know if Oswald was ln to1vn
then, I didn't see Oswald then.
B: Oh, OK.
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B:
OK, one other thing
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from this girl I told you was a friend of mine from New Orleans,
that I keep in touch with, she says - Jim Meyers now go by the
name of Jimmie Craft. And, and they said Jim Meyers could shoot
a rifle pretty good.
B: Did you ever see Jim and Gene?
D: Oh, Yeah,
B: Together.
0: Oh, yeah, they're always together in the place. All of them
bung around together, and I worked my door. They let me in
the croWd, I WOuldn't want to get in.
B, Did you ever see ah, Jim   y ~ r s with Karno?
D: Yeah, in fact Carlos Marcelo, it 'Was just, just before the ·
assassination, Carlos Marcelos set Jim Meyers up in a bar. A Club
across the river, in Algiers.
B: You don't remember the name of the Club?
D: No, I don't. It's still there, though, 'cause I went down
there a while back, in Algiers.
B: About bow long before the assassination was this?
D: I can•t - not, not, not, very long - it was in '63.
B: About how tall was Oswald?
o, I don•t know - he was, weu, he wasn't as taU as I am, he
reached me about right up in here.
B: How tall are you?
D: 5'10"
B• 5'10", so you're saying - what would you guess to be his
height, then, if you're 5'10", how many incheS shorter ••••••
D: Oh, I'd say about 5'.8" or 5'9".
B: 5'8" pr 5'9". About how heavy would you say he looked?
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About 140 - 150, something like that.
Do you remember the color of his eyes?
No, I didn't notice them that much.
Uh-hm.
I only seen him that one time, that twist, rather.
Twice.
D: There and in the room, and I didn't notice his eyes. I
don't go around looking at men's eyes, now it was a woman, I
might look at the eyes.
B: Well, I just··'····
D: Yeah, I know ( Laughter)
M:
You have a pretty good point there.
B:
Did he have a, ah, you don't remember whether he had dimples·?
D: No
·B: Remember whether he had a cleft chin? When you saw him?
The guy you saw.
D: No, No, I, I, I didn't pay that close to him (sic). I know
it was Oswald 'cause I seen him on TV just before Ruby shot him,
and that's another thing about Ruby; One night I was working
ruy door at the Court of Two Sisters before the assassination,
but I didn't work there, I ah, in fact when Kennedy was assass-
inated, I had already quite. And ah, I was home, when I heard
it on TV. And I saw, I'm working my door when seen they
a, a no parking zone, you know, there, because it's a service
zone, they call it.
B: In front of the building.
D: Yeah. All, all the way across. Ah, this car from Texas pulls
up, there a bunch of people in it, you know, I politely walked
over there, I says, - I'm sorry, Sir, this is a loading zone,
I says, would you mind moving your car, please? Or they'll tow
it away for you. Like that, nice, you know? The guy says -
Aw, shut up, and he slapped me right across the cheek - you know,
I was too close to the car, and I caught a glimpse of him and
I'll still say it was Jack Ruby, because as they drove away,
some woman said - Jack, what'd you do that for?
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M; What kind of a car was this?
D: It was a bla.ck car, all I know. Don't know the make of
it . Ronnie Metranga didn't know who it was either, you know,
he saw it happen. He took off after the car. Later on he come
back laughing. He say - it was tourists. He knew who it was.
M: Ah , who was that "some" woman who said - Jack?
D: That was in the car, I don't who she was •
M: Oh, she was in the car?
D: Yeah.
M: And you say that you made tapes for other people before.
D: Yeah.
M: And one was the FBI?
0: Yeah, one was the FBI - I gave them a tape I'd made for ah,
Mr. ah, that was a tape I'd already for Mr. Harry Gibbons, of
Midnight Magazine.
M: Uh-huh.
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He wanted a copy of it, and ·he sent back to me after he read
heard it, you know. He sent it back to me, like I asked him_
And ah, I give that ·to ah, ah, Agent Winner, of Alexandria,
The FBI agent down there.
M: Uh-huh.
:>: And he he 'A'as going to send it along to y'e.ll.
M: When did you g i ve it to ah, Gibbons?
D: 'Bout- Oh, Gibbons? That was last year.
M: And then when did _you give it to • •••••
D: I'd alr eady give one to Schweiker, already .
Uh- huh.
D: And I don't know if y'all got that one, either, or not.
M: How long was it before you got the tape back from Gibbons
that you- gave it to Winner, the FBI man?
D: I just gave it to Winner about a month ago.
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D: And I gave it to him, and I made a statement for him, too,
'·,f and also for ah, the Military Intelligence Officer that was there
Lattaback (sounds like)
M: What was his name?
D: Mr. Louderback, I don't know his first name. I don't know
whether it was Frank, or not.
M: Where did he work from, ah?
D: Fort Polk.
M: Fort Polk. That's down in- whereabouts in La. is that?
D: Leesville.
B: Leesville. OK. I guess that-. Go ahead, go ahead.
M: That's about all I can- I just want .to get those tapes in.
B: Yeah, right. (Murmuring)
Louderback?
Ah, remember the rank of this
D: No, I swear I don't what his ra-, he's always in civilian
clothes.
B: Always in civilian clothes.
B: l"lhat, ah, this meeting of these five or six men that you
went to, you know when you went up to get you check, or your
cash, from Gene Davis, ah, what's your best recollection of
what month it was in.
M: If I understood you correctly, you said it was Summer.of '62.
Is that right?
D: Yeah, it was about ........
H: On a Saturday.
D: 'Bout in June, June or July.
}'· ., Could it have as late as August?
D: Hight have been.
B: But you worked through '62?
D: Yeah, I worked through '62.
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the SL!r.uner of '62 was when somebody walked up to you and asked
you ...... .
D: That was Lee Harvey Oswald.
M: if Clay Bertrand was here, and you later figured out
that it was Oswald because you saw him on TV ..... .
D: Yeah.
1-l: . and ah, it was later yet when you went up to get your
check.
D: Yeah.
M: It was still in the summer time?
D: Yeah.
Still in the stimmer time.
M: Is it ah, how long did you work for this place all together,
this Court?
D: Three years- almost-three years.
M: And when you \vent up to get your check, this wasn't - this
was still in '62, or was it getting into '63?
D:
Yeah, that was in '63, I believe _it was.
M: In other words, where -
D: That turned over, I believe, yeah.
M: Almost a year after .....
D: Yeah.
M:
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b: Yeah.
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D: Yeah.
M: ....... Clay Bertrand.
So now we're talking maybe in the
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Yeah, I believe that's what it was, just like that.
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Right·. About the name Clay Bertrum., you said
Bertrand .
..•• that•s probably a code name.
Yeah, and Gene Davis denied he was knowing the :·name.
M: Are·.you, did you ever year any other kin(J. of names that
sounded lind of funny? You know, like ah, John Jones, or Morris
Bishop, or •••••
D: No .
M: •... you know, any, any, •....
D: No
M: OK •.
D: Clay Bertrand was the only one I ever heard of •
M: All right.
B: Did you ever, did you ever see anybody who you might have
suspected was a CIA man? or there was a rumor that he was a
CIA man?
D: Yeah.
B: Who was that?
D: N-, n-, not, not, - you know, you can always tell an
int elligence officer, if you look at him closely, I could tell.
One- ah, two of the tramps was, 1
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CIA men, or something.
H: Why, why do you s ay t hat?
D: The one, Huh?
M: Why do you s a y that?
D: Because they look inte lligent, and they look like they know
what they're doing. One of them was the guy with the beard ••••
M: Mm-hmm
D: And· the tall one. Them two.
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tramps?
D: No, no, I never heard no talk about - that I know - no one
saw 'em, I don't guess. I'll take a polygraph test on
everything that I've told you, that's just the way it was, the
way it is.
B: That Cuban that was sitting on the edge of the bed with
Oswald, did you ever see him before or after?
D: Oh, I seen him a lot of times, he, he's a buddy of ah,
David Ferrie, the pilot.
B: I see. How, how would you describe him . in height and weight?
D: He - oh, he was about 180 - 190, something like that, and
about, 'bout 5'10", something like that, about my height.
B: About how old was he back then?
D: He'd be about - he'd be, he'd be about 31 maybe, or 32,
something like that. Maybe younger.
B: I see. Remember anything about his face, eye color, scars,
anything?
D: No, but but he always, his hair was always unruly.
B: Uh-huh.
M: What color was his hair?
D: Black.
B: Ever hear him called by name?
D: Never heard him called by name.
M: What kind of a car did he drive?
D: I didn't notice it.
M: Didn't notice it?
D: Sure didn't notice it.
B: Do you know if any of these people have ah, girlfriends, I
mean, did you see any of these tramps or. this Cuban fella' with
unruly hair, •.•....
D: I only saw these tramps one time, now.
B: Uh-huh.
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in that meeting?
D: No, they were, they were dressed in normal clothes, but ah, th-
the one, the one, the one with the beard, he had on a seamans·
cap and khaki pants.
M: How about the other fellow?
D: He had on a dark shirt, I know that much.
tall one.
He was tall, the
B: You way Gene Davis gave you the money?
D: Yeah.
B:
Did he look worried, then he, that you were ..... .
D: No,
B: in there?
D: No, .he thought I was a dummy.
B: Mrn-hmmm.
M: Did he say anything to you about walking in that room like
that?
D: No, No, he just said - here, go ahead now.
all he said.
Like that. That's
;-1: How, ah, how long was it before you decided to tell somebody
about it?
D: In 1968, when I put it all together that Gene Davis was lying
about knowing Cl-, hearing the name Clay Bertrand and Lee Harvey
Oswald. That's when I went to Jim Garrison and told him just
  I told you. \</ell, that wa-, that was five years later,
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D: Yeah.
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!1: You mean it took you five years to put it together?
D: Yeah. 'Cause I, I , ·r, I didn't kind of think about them
beiDg involved in anything like that, you know,
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D: No, she didn't - says something about, something abOut a
statement, or something.
M: Has anybOdy ever told you to come up here before?
D: No
M: To see anybody else?
D: No
B: Would you have if she had not called you?
D: No, I'd have home.
B: Did you ask her to identify herself?
D: No, ! fig-, I heard clicking in the background. and thought
she was a secretary in his office, or something.
B: Did she say she was with the Committee?
D: No, she didn't say nothing. She . just asked me to come down
and I did.
(end of tape - side 11)
B: This is the second of the tape we're going on. June 22, 1977
with Mr. Leander Davey of DeRitter, La. This is Belford Lawson,
Staff Counsel and Jack Moriarty, Staff Investigator present.
We'll just continue· from the opposite side.
B: Do you consent to this interview?
D: Oh, yeah.
M: Well , this ah, this photo that you're showing us in your
wallet of ah, • • .•• •
D: That; s my girlfriend .
.H: • ..•. Marice Cole •
D: Right.
M: And ah, That reminds me, did you have children?
D: Yes, I got a picture of one of my sons in there, right there.
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D:
He's with his mother in Mississippi.
M:
With his mother in M i s ~ i s s i p p i  
D: And I got one named Charlie, he's with his mother in Miss.
I got one named Leander, Jr. He's in Germany in the Army.
B: I see.
M: Oh, uh-huh. And where about's in Miss. are they right now?
0: Jackson.
M·: Jackson, Miss. Do you ah, do you have a · family doctor?
·D: Yeah, I've got one at Fort Polk.
M: What's his name?
D: Dr. Logan.
M: At Fort Polk?
-D: Yeah.
M: What • s he treated ·- you for?
D: Huh?
M: I say, what's he treated you for?
D: Oh, high blood pressure and diabetes.
M: Oh, is that right? Are you in pretty good health now?
D: Oh, yeah. I take my pills.
M: Have you ever been treated for anything else?
D: No
M: Did he ever tell . you to go see any other kind of doctor?
D: Like a psychiatrist? I'm not crazy.
M: All right. How about a lawyer, you got a lawyer?
D: No, but I can get one anytime I need one.
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D: Oh, I got two, three different lawyers I use in my home
town .
M: Uh-huh.
All right.
Have you ever had any kind of psychiatric
care?
D: No
M: Ever been in a hospital for any problems along those lines?
D: I ain't crazy.
M: All right, well no, I don't think you are, either. but, ah,
how about ah, is there anytl\.ing else that maybe we should know
about you that we don't, you know?
D: No, that's all I know.
M: OK. Well, I appreciate your time
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it's about 10:50 and ah,
tha-t's about an hour and ten minutes all together now, since 9:40,
and we'll make every effort to help you determine who the _lady
is that invited you up here.
D: I'd appreciate it.
B: Would you be willing to give this testimony to the Committee
at the proper time?
D: Yeah, any time.
B: OK, will you stay in touch with us, then?
D: Oh, yeah.
B: ..... if anything happens?
D: Yes, Sir.
B: OK,- do we have your telephone number?
D: Yeah, he's got my phone number.
M: I would suggest to you that if we call you, maybe it would
be a good idea for you to call us back, like ah,'I might call
you up, say, next week, and I'd say you know, maybe ah, the ..
Committee would like to see you at such and such a time and, just
to verify it, why don't you call me back in the office, and I'll
give you our number .....
D: OK
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know, you'r talking to the correct people.
"lrf D: That • s right (laughter) that's right.
M: That would kind of • ••... . .
D: And make arrangements for me to have a place to stay over
here, so I don't have to stay up all night.
M: Yeah, well, we ah, we wouldn't want to see anybody, you know,
like play a practical joke on you or something like that.
D: This practical joke cost me fifty bucks already.
M: Yeah, well, that's a shame. Well, thank you very much, sir.
B; Thank you, Mr . D'Avy.
D: Pll right, all right..
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H: That's been some time ago, though.
0: Yeah, I know, I don'·t know how he is now.
M: When was your last day down at the Court of Two Sisters?
0: I don't know the exact date but it was in 1963, it was
about, about two months before the assassination.
M: Ah, are you saying that Mr. Davis was about somewhere in his
fifties then, or is it •.•..•.. ?
D: No, no, he was about in his thirties then.
M: All right. In other words, he's about the same age you are.
D: Yeah. Just about . .
M: Now, as I understand it, you got this phone· call from a
lady who reports to Mr. Stokes' office and you doa•t who
the l!dy i!> .
D: I 4on't know who the lady is, or nothing •
M: You would
D: So I come by Air Force jet down here.
M: And, she sounded like a younger as opposed to an
older woman, and you   determine whether she was black
or white-.
D: Sure couldn't.
M: Just a younger woman that was a secretary or same-
thing.
D: That's right.
M: And she told you to come up here ••••
D: Yes Sir.
M: ..••.. yesterday ....• and, and •.•••••
D: Ah, she told me - yeah, she told me to sta-, told me to be
here about Wednesday or Thursday.
M: Uh-huh.
D: I said- I'll try and get down there Wednesday night. And
I went down to his office, and it was c1osed, so I said - well.,
I went down the state capitol, I got about too 1ate, you know,
almost nine o'clock.
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tramps didn't come out until almost ten years after.
M: Where did you see the pictures of the tramps?
0: In the Inquirer.
M: I thought maybe they came out in the newspapers along about
the time of the assassination.
D: No.
M: You don't - you didn't see them.
D: No, I didn't see them then. I saw it in the Inquirer, later
on.
M: Uh-huh.
B: You didn't see the pictures of the tramps until ten . years
later?
0: That's right, in the Inquirer.
M: You'll take a - a polygraph on this?
P: Yes, Sir, I took a polygraph on this.
M: You've already take a polygraph, haven't you?
D: I took one when Jim Garrison ..•...••
M: Who gave the polygraph test to you, do you remember?
D: The Police Dept. up the..:e.
M: You passed it?
0: Yes, Sir. Gene Davis wouldn't take none.
B: Mm-hmmm. And you read about Gene Davis lying to Garrison
about not knmving Oswald.
D: I sure did.
M: When you took the polygraph test, you didn't say anything
about tramps.
D: No, no, because I didn't know anything about them then.
B: Well. .....
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because Jim Garrison had a picture of him, the one with the
seaman's cap- standing on a corner, by a street marker, can't
remember what the name of the street was.
B: What year did you see that, that photo?
0: '68, when I went up there .
B. Hm. Street in what town?
D: I don't know if it was New Orleans, -or what.
B: Does the street marker show the name?
D: It shows the name of the street, and I don't remember seeing
that street, I don't know •.••.. (mumbles). I thought y'all got
ali the stuff Jim Garrison - Jim Garrison has some stuff down
there. He has some gooq stuff.
a: Yeah.
M: Did you ever ..••..••
D: There's only one thing wrong.
M: What's that?
D: Jim Garrison would have cleared this thing for you, if only
they wouldn't have framed him on that gambling - bribery charge
that they framed him on .
M: Who, who was it that framed him?
D: Carlos Marcelo, the Mafia. The gamblers down there. All of
them. 'Cause he was hot on 'em. He was hot. on the trail of
the real dope on it, I know.
M: How do you think they went about framing him, do you know
how it worked?
D: Yeah, I think that they accused him of accepting a bribe,
or something, they had pictures of some kind. Some money -
I don't know how, but he was framed. 'Cause I know Jim too well.
He's a good man.
M: What's he doing now
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Jim Garrison?
D: He's a lawyer.
M: Is he?
D: Yeah.
M: What's he - you mean he's in private practice?
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M: Where
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M:
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lately?
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haven't.
B: Did you ever talk with Garrison about the case? Just informal,
off the record . type of thing?
D: No, not accept the time I went down to see was
the only time I talked to about it.
B; You've only seen
him once,
then?
D: Yeah.
About the case.
B: Did he
question you by
himself?
D: No, he
had Andy
De Sham bra
and another man in the office,
M: Do you
remember
who that other
man was?
D: No; I don't, one of his agents, I know.
too.
M: Uh-huh. · Did you ever talk to any other witnesses, that's .
was Jim Garrison's? That happened to be around there at the time?
D: No, No.
M: Well, I can't think of anything else •
B: Dtd · Jim Garrison or De Sharnbra, or the other man ever give
you a comment about the case?
D: They thanked me. And they thanked me very much for the
information, and put me on another bus, and sent me back to
Jackson.
M: Did you ever see a photo that was supposed to be a photo of
Oswald, but didn't really look like the guy you saw?
D: Yeah, he had one of them.
M: so, you - in other words, you saw a photo of a guy who
looked like Oswald?
D: Yeah.
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D: No.
B:
well, I don't have anything else for right now.
}t· Is there anything else that ah, now that you've had a little
time to king of think about his, anything else that ah, you've
got in the back of your mind there, that maybe would be helpful
to us, ah .••••• something about ah,
D: Well, now, ah, I told you about that rock and roll singer,
Joe Barios, hi.Jft I talked about the case.
B: Yeah, do you think he knows something?
D: He knows just what I told you. He don't know about the
meetings, or nothing, but he knows, he where I originated that,(?)
we talked about it, you know. He lives in Galiana, La. CU.t-off
rather •
B: Do you think· he has some information that you don't have?
D: No, no •
M: Who do you think knows more about this situation than you
do?
D: If you can get him cornered, if you get him cornered
and get him excited, he'll talk. Gene Davis.
M: Gene Davis •
B: What's the best way to get him, what's the best way to
approach him?
D: Just come right out and say, ah, and say - investigating
the assassination of President Kennedy and I'd like to talk to
you. And you'll just see him start stuttering, right then and
there. And then .•.•••.
M: How old is Mr. Davis right now?
D: Oh, he's - I don't know, he's about - he's in his
I know.
M: Is he enjoying good health?
D: Did the last time I saw him.
M: And when was that?
D: When I worked down at the Court of Two Sisters. He was in
good shape.
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MEMORANDUM TO: Cliff Fenton
FROM: Jack Moriarty
SUBJECT: Leander D'Avey
DATE: July 1, 1977
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Had another call from LEANDER D'AVEY at 9:45 a.m. this
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He said he had a dream which reminded him of something
qoncerning the blonde waitress in the tavern {see memo dated
6/23/77) .
He said he never saw her pick up a glass - that she
was the one the bartender (Gene Davis) spoke to when LHO left
the tavern, and DAVIS described LHO as. "The man. who just came
from behind the Iron Curtain".
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Washington, D. c.
October, 1962
Carlos MARCELLO
Carlos MINACORE
Born on February 1910 at Tunis, Africa;
white, male, 5'   173 lbs., black hair,
graying, brown eyes, sallow complexion, heavy
build.
Resides at 577 Woodvine Avenue, Metairie, La.
Forme r r esidences : 1401 Monroe Street, Gre tna,
La.
800 Barataria Boulevard,
Gr e tna, La.
335 Huey P. Long Avenue,
Gretna, La.
MARCELLO freque nts the following localiti es :
Town & Country Motel & Restaurant, 1225
Airline Highway, New Orleans, La.
J efferson Music Co . , 335 Huey P. Long Avenue,
Gretna, La.
Churchill Farms Land Development, Jefferson
Parish, La.
Father:
Mother:
Wife:
Giusseppe MINACORI
alias Joseph MARCELLO (Deceased)
Luigia alias Louise (maiden name:
FARRUGGIO)
Jacine alias Jacquelyn (maiden name :
TODARO)
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Vincent J. MARCELLO, 335 Huey P .
Long Avenue, Gretna , La.
Joseph P. MARCELLO, 612 Oaklawn
Metairie, La. '
Peter MARCELLO, 3008 Ridgeway ,
Metairie, La.
Pascal MARCELLO, 419 l ·s t Avenue,
Harahan, La.
Anthony MARCELLO, Whitney Heights,
Metairie, La.
Samuel J. MARCELLO, a lias SALVADORE ,
527 J efferson Park , Jefferson
Parish, La.
Mrs. Ros e BADLAl\IENTI, Luling, La.
Mrs . Mary LORIO, 1534 Hermosa,
Algiers, La.
Jackie MARCELLO
Flore nce MARCELLO
Louise MARCELLO
Joseph MARCELLO
F.B.I. No. 292542
New Orleans, P . D. #62018
1929-P.D. , New Orleans, La. -for investi-
gation--dismissed
11-29-29 -P.D., New Orleans, La.-assault
and robbery- dismissed.
5-28-30-P.D. , New Orleans, La.-assault
and robbery-9- 14 years-pardoned 7-25-35.
2-17-35- U. S. Marshal, New Orleans , La.-
Internal Revenue Laws -dismissed.
1935 P.D. , New Orleans, La.- investigation
dismissed.
1-7-35- P.D., New Or leans, La. assault and
robbery-
1936- U.S. Marshal, New Orleans, La.-
Alcohol laws-dismissed
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3-26-38- Bureau of Narcotics, Ne w Orleans,
La. -Marihuana - 1 year and 1 day .
1940- P . D. , New Orleans, La.- Investigation-
dismissed .
l0-10-40- Immigration & Naturalization Service,
New Orleans, La. - alien registration- dismissed.
12-25-44- P.D. New Orleans, La. loitering-
dismissed .
3-17-44- U.S. Marshal, New Orleans, La.
_black market ' operation- dismissed.
Immigratiqn & Naturalization Service ,
New Orleans , La . - immigration laws -dismissed .
3-29-51 - U.S . Marshal, New Orleans, La . -
contempt of Senate Committee - dismissed.
1-4-52- P .D. , New Orleans, La.- vagrancy and
investigation - dismissed .
12-30-52 - Iwnigration & Naturalization Service,
New Orleans , La . pending appeal.
6-5-61- Immigration & Naturalization Service,
New Orleans, La. -deportation.
10-31-61- U. S. Marshal, New Orleans, La.-
perjury - pending.
Carlos MARCELLO has i n t erests in the following
e nterprises:
1 . Town & Country Motel, 1225 Airline Highway,
New Orleans, La .
2. Jefferson Musi c Co., 335 Huey P. Long
Avenue, Gretna, La .
3. Motor Hotels of Louisiana, Inc. , 5733
Airline Hi ghway, Metairie, La.
4. Ne w Southport Club, 1300 Monticello
Avenue, Jefferson Parish, La .
Carlos MARCELLO has lived since childhood in
Jefferson Parish, La . , on the outskirts of
New Orle ans . He has risen from a pe tty hold-
up man ·in the 1920's t o h is present stature as
one of the Nation 's l eading r acketeer s. With
his brothers Vincent and Joseph and associates
Joseph PORRETTO, Joseph PECORARO, and other
local hoodlums, Carlos .MARCELLO controls
organized crime in the New Orleans area.
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with Meyer LANSKY, Phillip KASTEL, Frank
COSTELLO, and Silvestro CARROLLO. Through
his brother Joseph, Carlos controlled
the notorious NOLA NEWS   a nationwide
racing wire service in Jefferson Parish, La.
In recent ·'·years, MARCELLO has financed se.rerar
legitimate businesses in the New Orleans
area through "front men", so that holdings
are not of record. For instance, it is generally
known among enforcement agents that MARCELLO
had an interest in the plush FONTAINBLEU MOTEL
New Orleans, La., but no records of this exist.
At present, one of his ''front men" is alleged
to be his attorney, Michel MAROUN of Shreveport, ·
La.
caught the public eye and rose to
prominence during the Kefauver Committee
hearings at New Orleans in 1951. By that time
he had already established himself as a power
in the underworld. Since then, gambling has
provided the principal source of his consider-
able wealth, which he has invested in legitimate
businesses in such a way as to evade the income
tax.
Carlos MARCELLO'S father was born G ilsseppe
MINACORI. When the family arrived at New Orleans,
La. on October 11, 1910 from Tunisia, the
father called himself Joseph MARCELLO and was
naturalized under that name. However, he
neglected to include his infant son CARLOS in
the naturalization proceedings. Thus under
the law, Carlos has remained a resident alien
and occasionally has used the name MINACORI
or MINACORE as an alias.
MARCELLO'S first arrest of record was by the
New Orleans Police Department in 1929 for
investigation. At that time he was assoc iated
with Frank TODARO and Silvestro CARROLLO ,
IL #34, and was tutored by the m in various
schemes of theft , robbery and violence. On
November 29 , 1929, MARCELLO was arrested for
assault and robbery. Again on May 28 , 1929 ,
he was charged with assault and robbery, and
sentenced to serve 9 to 14 years in Louisiana
State Prison . On July 25, 1935, he was
granted a pardon.
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began to establish himself as a professional
hoodlum, dealing in illicit alcohol and in
marihuana. He started a friendship with the
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MILLER is still in office as the Gretna Chief
of Police.
About 1936, MARCELLO married the daughter of
Giusseppe TODARO, who was the defendant in
a F,ederal narcotic investigation in Louisiana
repprted June 4. 1929. MARCELLO opened the
TECHE LIQUOR STORE in Algiers, La. about 1937,
as his first business venture.
In 1938 Carlos MARCELLO was convicted of sale
of marihuana in Louisiana for which he served
1 year and l day in a Federal prison. While
in prison, he sold the TECHE LIQUOR STORE.
After his release from prison he began to
handle the distribution of gambling machines
in Jefferson Parish, La. The JEFFERSON MUSIC
COMPANY emerged as a front for the handling
of slot and pinball machines. Vincent li!ARCEL.LO
now controls the operation of this establishment .
During the 1940's Carlos MARCELLO gradually
expanded his financial holdings and influence.
He opened the BROWN BOMBER night club and
invested in real estate. In 1949, he
an int:erest in the BEVERLY CLUB, a gaml3ling--
of Jefferson Parish. The principal
investors in the BEVERLY CLUB were: Frank
COSTELLO, Philip KASTEL, Meyer LANSKY, and
A. G. RICKERFOR. A. G. "Freddie" Rickerfor,
now deceased, was a well-known gambler and
political boss in New Orleans.
After the Kefauver Committee hearings in 1951,
the BEVERLY CLUB closed. Philip KASTEL
attempted to reopen it as a legitimate supper
club in 1958, but it was a failure. The club
remained the property of KASTEL until his suicide
in 1962. ·
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_Service in 1952 began efforts to have Carlos
MARCELLO deported. Since that time, MARCELLO
has been required to report in person to
the I &NS office, and he must request per-
mission to leave his home. In 1961, MARCELLO
was deported to Guatemala, but he reentered
the United States i l legally and began a
series of appeals in Federal court to stay
redeportation.
MARCELLO has a large investment in a real
estate development called CHURCHILL FARMS
in Jeffe rson Parish. He operates TOWN AND
COUNTRY MOTEL in partnership with Sam MARCELLO,
Frank OCCHIPINTI, and Rosario OCCHIPINTI .
He draws a salary from the corporation called
MOTOR HOTELS OF LOUISIANA, which operates the
HOLIDAY INN chain. The ELMWOOD PLANTATION,
a swank restaurant, is ope rated by Joseph
MARCELLO and is suspected to be financed by
Carlos MARCELLO.
Carlos MARCELLO i s curre ntly under intensive
investigation by t he Internal Revenue Service
Inte llige n ce Division for tax fraud, and the
Immigration and Naturalization Service c ontinues
efforts to have him r e deported . MARCELLO
rece ntly filed a pe tition for a writ of
coram nobis } c l a iming that Lhe sentence for
violat ion of Federal marihuana laws in 1937
should be set aside because he was not repre-
sented in court by an attorney he
entered a plea of guilty in 1938 . This matter
is pending in Fede ral court. In 1962 MARCELLO
has been charged with pe r jur y in Federal
court in New Orleans in connection with
stateme nts concerning Guatemalan birth records.
This charge is being he ld in abeyance pending
the outcome of the coram nobis hearings.
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George Wray Gill Sr . ( deceased)
White male born 1901 Crowl ey,La.
Died Oct. 4, 1972 New Orleans,La.
Resided at 996 Robert E. Lee Bl vd. New Orleans., La.
Graduate of Loyol a University School of Law in New Orleans in 1927
George Wray Gill Sr. was a prominent attorney in New Orl eans that offices
in 1963 at the Piere Marquette Bui l ding l ocated a t 150 Baronne St . New Orleans , La .
in room 1707 .
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Attorney Akers and InvestigatorJOseph Thomas interviewed Wray Gill ' 'J r . !
the week previous to this memo. It is respectfully suggested that their memo be made ;
a part of this memo . The it}.vestigators . did not feel that it would be a good idea ·. !
to speak with Gill Jr . again in so short a of time. I:
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George Wray Gill Sr. was retained as counsel over a long period of time by reputed I
organized crime boss of New Orleans , Carl os Marcello, Mr , Gill Sr. represented Carlos :
Marcell o in New Orleans and other such as Shreveport, La . Laredo and Houston, J
Texas . Gill Sr. Surrendered Marcello in 1970 in Houston, Texas for a two year term ! ...
for assual t on a federal agent, Gill Sr . Marcello in Federal District
in New Orleans in 1970 on charges of entry into the United States after
being deported.
Carlos Maercello and his brother Joseph Marcel l o as witnesses for G. Wray
Gill Sr. in a civil case in New· orleans ·in March of ·1969. Carlos Marcello -also ·
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retains attorney Jacob Wasserman of Wash- ngton D.C. as chief counsel over G. Wray Gill ;
Sr. in some of his cases. In. the Qeens New YOrk raid at the La Stella Restaurant in ;
the mid 60 's Carlos Marcello was arrested with other organized crime figuressuch as
Santo T;aficante. and Attornies Frank Reg n is an
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for Miami crime Traficante.
 
Louisiana State Supreme Court Judge .William
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Daniels heard a case against a
Louisiana State Court Judge Malcolm O'Hara on a complaint from the New Orleans
Metropolitan Crime Commission, headed by Aaron Kohn. The case against Malcolm O'Hara
involved a plan to change the testimony of a witness, Edward Grady Pardin, in the
Jimmy Hoffa case which resulted in a conviction. The plan to change the testimony
involved Judge O'Hara along with George Gill Sr. and Frank Regano and James
B. Gill. As a result of this complaint Malcolm O'Hara had to sep down from the bench.
'l'hese associations are mentioned to show that G. Wray Gill Sr. is involved -.:Jith many
orgnaized crime figures. Other associations of interest at this time include Gill Sr •
representing Randolph Rosensen (phonetic) of Forida in Ne wOrleans, before Judge
Malcolm O'Hara in which a very favorable sentence is handed down. The .case is reported
on by Attorney Akers and Investigator Thomas.
George Wray Gill Sr. employed Jack Martin and David Ferrie · as investigators. These
two names are of interest to this investigation. Jim Garrison described DAvid Ferrie
as possibly one of history's most important witnesses. David Ferrie died of an over
dose of drugs without ever revealing any knowledge that he might have had .
Thomas Beckham (see memo of     Delsa and Buras) stated that he was given an en-
velope of photos and diagarms to deliver to DAllas, Texas one or two weeks before
Nov. 22, 1963. He was given this enveiope by George Wray Gill Sr. along with funds
and instructions to get ·to Dallas and deliver the package. This envelope was given
to Thomas Beckham in the office of Gill Sr. (room 1707, Piere Marquette Bldg. 150
Baronne St. New Orelans La . ) Jack Martin and David Ferrie along with other people were
present in Gill's office. (see Thomas Beckham .transcript of tape 10-1-77). Beckham
was instructed to give the envelope to Lawrence Howard at the Excutive Motor Inn
in Dallas, Texas. He delivered the package as instructed.
On Oct. 12, 1977 the investigators asked New Orleans Attorney Jim Garrison if he had
any information pertaining to photos or diagram in G. Wray Gill's office around Nov.
22, 1963. On Oct. 20, 1977 Jim Garrison gave the investigatiors statements taken by his
staff in between 1967 and 1969. (see memo Buras and Delaa with cover letter by jim
Garrison dated 10-20-77) . New Orleans Police Captain Fred Soule took a statement from
Clara Flournoy Gay on April 24, 1969 in which Gay states that she saw diagrams of Elm
St. in the of George Wray Gill Sr. on Saturday Nov. 23, 1963. At the time of
Clara Flournoy Gay's statement Jim Garrison and Fred Soule thought that the diagrams
belonged to Daivd Ferrie, an investigator for Gill. Thomas Beckham's statement puts
the diagrams in the possession of George Wray Gill Sr. As of the writing of this
memothe investigators have not learned of any connection 9.r association between Beck-
Ham and Gay. Clara Flournoy Gay's statement was made and recorded seven years before
Thomas Beckham's statement to this Committee.
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SUBJEXJT: HEIM, Jack M.
An OS indices check on Jack M. HElM was negative.
An HCUA report dated 11 December 1967 on "The Present Day Ku Klux Klan
Movement
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Dragon of' the United Klanil of' America, as Co:rrnnander of' a newly formed
group called Universal Klans· of' America and also referred to as "The South".
Part 3 of HCUA Hearings an "Activities of Ku Klux Klan Organizations
in the United States", held in January 1966, P• 2585 - 2593, contains
testimony of Jack M. HEil-1, accompanied by Counsel, Lester V. CIIAn1ERS,
Jr. .HEIM refused to answer questions of the Committee including even
his date of birth by invoking the 5th, 1st, 4th and 14th Amendments of'
the Constitution of the United States. However, he was identified by
the Committee as Jack M. HElM of 3141 De Saix Street, New Orleans, Louisiana;
born 7 February 1910 at Houston, Texas; employed as operations manager for
the L. P. SMITH Construction Company; a member of the United Klans of
America, Realm of Louisiana, which is known by the cover name of Louisiana
Rescue Service. In March 1965 he was elected Grand Klaliff or State Vice
President of' the Realm of Louisiana while attending a convention of the Klan
held under the cover name of the Bernice Sportsman Club. On 24 October 1965
he attended a rally of the United Klans of America at Phil adelphia,
Mississippi where he shared the platform with Sheriff Lawrence RAINEY,
Deputy Sheriff Cecil PRieE and Wayne Alton ROBERTS, all three of whom were arrested
for the slaying in Philadelphia, Mississippi of three Civil Rights workers.
At that rally HELM stated: "No Congressional investigation will ever deteriorate
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I hope it will be soon". HEIM, as President of one Parents and Friends of
Catholic Chi ldren, Inc., was reported in a New Orleans TlMES-PICAYUNE article
dated 25 March 1963 (Exhibit No . 3, Jack M. HELM) asked Archbishop CODY of'
New Orleans to account for the disposition of funds turned over to him by
the churches of the Archdiocese. CODY's letter of reply said: "This is not
a recognized Catholic organization." HELM declared: "Well, we have news for
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was accus ed of "playing politics " in the integration of Negroes into all-white
schools and neighborhoods.
An article in the New Orleans STATES-rrEM for 12 October 1967 reported
that Jack HELM, head of the United Klans of America, was scheduled to testify
before the East Baton Rouge Parish Grand Jury on 18 October 1967 which was
investigating racketeering influences in Louisiana. This investigation is
running concurrently with GARRISON's a ssassination investigation and testimony
of many witnesses is overlapping. An article by George LARDNER, Jr., appearing
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employed by attorneys for Carlos MARCELLO, reputed Mafia kingpin, as
a private investigator. The MARCELLO brothers are figuring in the
Louisiana crime investigation.
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The New Orleans States Item newspflper of May 3, 1961,
reported that CARLOS MARCELLO was ordered deported from Guatemala.
On the same date, his wife, JACQUELINE and daughter FLORENCE
were also instructed to leave Guatemala.
The news story reported that MARCELLO had attempted to
obtain an airplane ticket to the United States but the Taca
International Airlines had refused to sell him a ticket. On
May 4 , 1961, the New Orleans States Item newspaper reported that
MARCELLO had disappeared from his hotel in Guatemala.
The New Orleans States Item of May 4, 1961, quoted
Guatemalan authorities as stating that on ~ h e night of May 3, 1961,
CARLOS MARCELLO w   ~ taken to the El Salvador border and deported.
In connection with ·the Taca Airlines' refusal to sell a ticket
to MARCELLO, their 'right to operate in Guatemala was temporarily
halted because of their action.
The New Orleans Times Picayune Newspaper of May 4, 1961,
reported that VINCENT MARCELLO, brother of CARLOS MARCELLO, and
CARLOS' wife and daughter returned to the United States on May 3,
1961. On May 9, 1961, the New Orleans States Item Newspaper
reported that efforts to locate MARCELLO in Guatemala and Bl
Salvador were negative.
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publicity in the New Orleans &rea. efforts by the ··
Federal Government to depOrt CARLOS MARCELLO, a.s yell a.s
requests made by loca.l officials for a. Federal Government
of the situation in Jefferson Parish,
La. In addition, local newspapers have carried stories tha.t
Attorney General ROBERT Y. KENNEDY wa.s a. study of the
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On July 9, 1958, the Shreveport Journal reported
on the opening of the Town and Country Motor Hotel, located
on Highway 80 in Bossier City. According to this newspaper
story, the motel consisted of 100 renta 1 rooms, together with .. -:-
a cocktail lounge, a restaurant, a heated swimming pool, two
large suites and twelve Cabana units, constructed and furnished
at the reported cost of more than $1,000,000. According to
this newspaper story, the president of the Town and Country
Motel was identified as MICHAEL A. MAROUN, 450 Monrovia
street, Shreveport, and a member and of the law firm
of   Maroun. MAROUN was further identified
as a native of Shreveport and a graduate of Tulane university
in New Orleans. The newspaper identified other stockholders
in the Town and Country Motel as MERLE F • . KENNELLY, JR. ,
Bossier City, Louisiana, the estate of JOHN BELLESTRI, FRANK
OCCHIPINTI and ROY OCCHIPINTI.
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Tbe New Orleans Times-Picayune Newspaper of Karch
17, 1961, reported tb..i. t Attorney JA.l[ES. 0' NEILL, 3034 N8.poleon
Avenue, New Orleans, had filed a complaint before Justice of
the Peace J. ROY BECNEL, KenJljer, Louisia.na, that
CARLOS   JOE FORETII b.A.d a.llowed prostitution o• the
premises of the Holiday Inn ana Town Country Kotel.
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I am enclosing herewith two newspaper clippings, one from
the New Orleans Item, dated August 21, 1951, and the other from the
New Orleans States or the same date. The trial was or major interest,
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