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Gem Crafters & Explorer's Club Bulletin, Las Cruces, NM

Affiliated with the AFMS and a member of the RMFMS

EL GAMBRISINO

November 2009 - Volume 51, Issue 11

Notes from the Previous Meeting:


President Dave Smith opened the meeting at 7 pm and had Eric Fuller introduce his speaker for the evening. Jack Staley spoke on the Doc Noss gold. The meeting was held after the program. The guests then introduced themselves; Doug & Peggy Bogart, Susan Riedel, Marie Mathewson & Karen Cheatham. Welcome all and hope to see you again next month. The US Forest Service Open House held earlier this month at the Farm and Ranch Museum was discussed. They had many people available to answer questions, hand out maps, etc. For further information on plans for road closings you can go to their web site where the plan and maps are available. www.fs.usda.gov/gila Eric, representing the club, will send in comments re some of the closures. Dave reported on the Federation Show in Roswell and read some of the RMFMS Treasurer's Report. He was surprised to see that they had some $154,000 in the bank. The delegates voted on an amendment to allow the host show (Roswell this time) to keep all profits in the future. Previously the host club had to split the profits 50/50 with the federation and as the host club is responsible for all the federation expenses this was a good thing. The Federation changed insurance carriers this year and it resulted in not only cheaper rates but refunds to the member club. El Gambrisino had a surplus of $78.75. As a result we will not have to pay any insurance in 2010 as our annual cost is around $70. He had handouts on the postage stamp program and the AALA. You can check out the AFMS web site for more info on these programs. The nominating committee consisting of Elaine Franz, Joan Smith and Judy Keith have been hard at work already. Elaine announced that our President, Vice-President and Secretary have agreed to run again and Cookie Saathoff has accepted a nomination for Treasurer. Please contact one of the committee members if you would like to nominate someone or to run for office yourself, also the floor will be open for nominations at the November meeting after which the election will take place. The volunteer positions of Programs, Refreshments, Historian and Editor will remain unchanged. There will be a Mineral Meeting on Wednesday the 21st at Don Saathoff's Lab, 6:30 PM. He will discuss "Fluorescence", the why, how and mechanisms of. Don brought a flat of zeolites that he had collected at a recent campout at the Grapevine Campground area. He had three varieties out of the 13 known varieties found in the area. Faith Hutson talked about the upcoming Halloween Party she will hold at her house on Saturday the 24th at 5:30 pm. It will be outside as usual, pot luck, costumes optional and she will provide wine and sodas. Bring a chair along as extras are needed. For your planning information Molly and Neal Wilkinson have volunteered to hold the Christmas Party at their home again this year. The date will be determined at the Nov. meeting. Eric Fuller announced a day trip to Aleman for tomorrow. Meet at Ashley's at 8 AM. He will also lead a campout to Old Hachita on Oct. 30 thru Nov. 1. Further information to be sent out. Lee Attaway gave her Treasurer's Report: We have $1,547 in the bank and $34 in petty cash for a total of $1,581. She wrote checks in the amount of $37.64 to Kristine Kitchen for gas expenses and $13.50 to Maxine Wyman for the cost of the editor's breakfast meeting at Roswell. Dave Smith declined payment and will cover his own expenses. Dave also talked a bit about Orogrande. When there last a couple of weeks ago there were white claim stakes all over. He thinks the claim holders (if found) should be challenged to find out if they are actually working these claims. It was mentioned that the BLM doe not have the man power to check claims. Eric added that even if the land is under claim we can still surface collect on it - just can't dig.

'Talk is cheap...except when Congress does it'. Unknown

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Reminders & General Info:


Next meeting will be, as usual, the third Friday of the month, November 20th, Room 189, Breland Hall on the NMSU campus at 6:30 for social and 7 PM for the meeting. Refreshments will be hosted by Ed and Nellie Leake and Molly and Neal Wilkinson. The program is unknown at this time but is sure to be interesting. There will be NO Mineral Meeting in November. . As Census time is upon us once again I have attached a warning from the BBB about census fraud and things to look out for. It is an interesting read which you might want to check out. Eric Fuller has prepared a list of Mapping & Aerial Photography of NM Sources. See attachment. It is quite comprehensive. . Eric will lead a Field Trip to Aden's Crater & an old bombing range on Saturday the 21st. Meet at Love's Truck Stop at 8 AM. A separate flier will be sent out with all the details. The ghosts and goblins were out in force at Faith Hutson's Halloween Party again this year. The costumes were great, the food was really yummy and even the weather cooperated. A good time was had by all and that includes Ruby, the Fuller's dog. She might have gained a few pounds that evening. Many thanks go out to our hostess Faith once again. Here are a few pictures for your enjoyment. Mike Cherry, a 'sur nuf' miner

Eric Fuller & Bobby Hutson What can I say? Cookie Saathoff photo

Don & Cookie Saathoff (love the hair Cookie)

Wilma Hutson, Bunnie Jones & Ted Lewis with Ed Leake in the back - Chow time

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Program Notes: Treasure of Victorio Peak


Our speaker for the evening was Jack Staley, a Las Cruces resident and author, and he talked about his research into the Doc Noss Victorio Peak gold cache. Jack has spent the last five years researching, tracing and writing about the gold treasure. It sure made for an interesting evening for us. He found 8,000 documents filed in the history of this treasure and he went thru and catalogued them all. There was so much information and documentation that it has resulted in three separate books: Book 1, the Early Days 1935-1962, Book 2, 1962-1982 and Book 3, 1982-the present. There will also be a fourth book with the documents used. He expects the first to be published in approx. 60 days.

There are papers involving Governors, Presidents, Dept. of Defense, the Mint, Organized Crime and others. It is said that there was some 36.5 tons of bullion removed from Victorio Peak in 1964 alone. Those involved in the removal were threatened with death of their families if they didn't keep their mouths shut. A number of unexplained deaths occurred, unexplained and unsolved. Jack suspects that about half of the treasure is still there. There is high-tech, sophisticated groundpenetrating radar evidence that Victorio Peak harbored a very sizable cave. It's an unusual geological formation, more or less a freak of nature, but it's there said the Sanford Research Institute. It's claimed that there are five layers of caverns. There were many dates and facts discussed, far too many to mention here (and for me to remember). It was a lively talk with many questions from the audience and answers from Jack. And so another layer of mystery has been added to this fascinating tale of treasure and intrigue right here in Dona Ana County. While Jack named few names in his talk, he said that they would be in the book. While most of the main characters (and we do mean characters) are no longer walking this good earth there are still many who do not want to see this information in print. It'll be interesting to see if these books ever do get published - I for one will be waiting to pour over them.

Jack Staley One of the most interesting stories he had to tell was his finding, in Reno, the wife of Lloyd Tucker. This man was involved in organized crime; he was also a CIA operative and a named contractor in the removal of the gold. When he contacted the widow she invited him to come to her home and gave him some papers that she thought he might be interested in. It seems that the rest of the boxed papers had been thrown in a dumpster. After looking at what she had given him he called her, found out the dumpster wouldn't be emptied until the next day and then hired her housekeeper to go to the dumpster and retrieve the rest of the box which he then picked up. This led to the recovery of many receipts, transcripts of phone conversations and various other incriminating papers - in other words a real treasure trove of information. The Army has denied that there was anything to the rumor of gold and did their best to stop any attempt to look for it. When the Department of Defense was accused of stealing it their contention was "You can't steal what isn't there". Editors notes: Here are a few good links (and there are many) to more information on the Victorio Peak treasure history. All good reading. http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol18I10/index.ht m Chapter 1 Published in 1986 http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol18I10/pg001.h tm . Chapter 2 Published in 1986 http://www.legendsofamerica.com/HCTreasures5.html New Mexico Legends http://www.wsmr.army.mil/wsmr.asp?pg=y&page=65 5 White Sands Missile Range documents

We could all learn a lot from crayons. Some are sharp, some are pretty and some are dull. Some have weird names, and all are different colors, but they all have to live in the same box.

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Mineral Meeting News:


We had a very good turnout once again. Russ and Elaine Frantz brought cousins from Indiana and Ed Leake brought a really delicious pecan pie which wife Nellie sent and which we all enjoyed. Don discussed fluorescence in rocks and minerals starting with the electromagnetic spectrum explaining that one end of it (the lazy end) is infra red and the hot end is violet to ultraviolet. We got quite a physics lesson. A physics law "You cannot create or destroy energy" was used in explaining how fluorescence happens. There was a great display of fluorescent rocks and both long and short wave ultraviolet lights to view them with. A fascinating program (well I do

love those glowing rocks and collect them myself) with a lot of questions and discussions. Don Saathoff had a pretty cool announcement for us last month. It seems that one of the minerals that John Ottea found at the Torpedo Mine in Organ has been identified as rosasite and is the first recorded find of this mineral from the Torpedo. Don sent this picture and said it is of an area approximately 4mm wide and contains hemimorphite (the long blue to clear crystals) and rosasite (the little blue balls growing on the ends of the hemimorphite crystals). John found it and Don identified it congratulations to you both. It is truly a beautiful and exciting find.

HEMIMORPHITE CRYSTALS WITH ROSASITE BALLS 4mm wide

Don Saathoff photo

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Trips & Such:


FIELD TRIP TO ALEMAN - OCT. 17, 2009
It was a small group of six of us who left for Aleman on that early Saturday morning. The weather was beautiful and most found their quota of petrified wood and carnelian. I gave the new knee a good workout as I spent most of the day walking, even forgot to take pictures. It's good to be back out in the great New Mexico outdoors once again and in one of my favorite spots to boot. The road to Aleman was fairly rough going in considering how well it has been kept up since the spaceport thing. Apparently most of the activity is in Sierra County so our tax dollars are not being spent in road upkeep on this end. Who knows!!! Here's a pic of Kathy Fuller and Julie Uhl looking over their petrified wood and rocks that were collected.

OLD HACHITA - OCT. 30-NOV. 1, 2009


Again it was a small group consisting of leaders Eric & Kathy Fuller, Brecken and Julie Uhl and Pat and Mitch Mauer who camped out in Old Hachita. Friday was cold and windy but the rest of the weekend was in the low 70s and beautiful. Jannette Hale, dog Mandy, Lee Attaway and I drove into camp Saturday morning at 8:30 am for the trip to the ghost town of Sylvanite. Eric led off on what we soon discovered to be the Continental Trail which proved to be much better suited for hiking or horses. Had to lock the Bronco's hubs in for that one but Sylvanite was found and duly explored. As it had been a tent city there wasn't much to see but small dumps scattered around a large area. Brecken did a lot of exploring around the mines. The gold mineralization of the area is supposed to be in association with Tetradymite www.mindat.org/min3921.html and he may have found a small nugget of the material. He also found some thin copper items that may be the jackets off of a bullet - they will be at the next mineral meeting for Don to identify. Eric found an old large purple bottle, a piece of turquoise and Kathy found two large intact old bottles (See picture) which Eric proceeded to ham it up with. After picking up some wood on the way back - which by the way was via the "main" road - a roaring campfire was made and the food brought out. We day trippers had to leave and head back to civilization tho. It was reported to me that the moon was absolutely beautiful and was fun to look at through binoculars and counting satellites was pretty neat. I also heard a rumor that some people, who shall remain nameless, overdosed on Halloween candy that Julie had brought and became quite unruly. I also heard that the eats were once again outstanding. Friday while exploring Old Hachita they ran into some really odd things. It seems someone had collected a lot of the old cans (of which there are literally thousands) and piled them neatly under bushes, put them into some of the larger cans and just generally "straightened" the place up. Found also were home made pans (see picture) made from old cans and brand new nuts and bolts and hand made handles. It was really odd and guessing what kind of a nut - pardon me I mean person - would do this was fun. Oh and some turquoise was found.. Thanks to Brecken Uhl for his help in supplying information for this report.

Kathy & Eric Fuller & Mitch Mauer

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Article of Interest:

Twinned Minerals
Twinned minerals can add a fascinating side to ordinary minerals or can add another dimension to already complex minerals. There are several minerals that form classic twins, such as chalcocite, fluorite, sanidine, microcline, staurolite, gypsum, cinnabar, spinel, and rutile to name a few. Some twins have colloquial names, such as fairy cross, iron cross and cogwheel twins. Twins form as a result of an error during crystallization. Instead of a normal single crystal, twins grow out of or into each other. Accidental relationships are not considered twins, that is, where two distinct crystals grow more or less randomly side-by-side or toward each other. Twin formation is never random and follows certain defined rules called twin laws, usually named for well known twins, Spinel law, Albite law, etc. The twin laws are crystallograic in nature and are caused by flaws in the crystal structure occurring during growth or change in phase. Many minerals form with a stacking sequence. If an error occurs during growth the twin forms as a miss-positioned sequence, which is repeated as if nothing happened. The crystal(s) grow outward in both directions. Twinning has dramatic effect on the outward symmetry of the mineral. There are two general types of twin styles contact and penetration. Contact twins have a composition plane that forms the boundary between them, a mirror plane where the twins look like reflected images or an angled plane resulting in a bend to the twin forming dovetails, fishtails and chevrons. Penetration twins look like whoever made the crystal didnt know how it was supposed to fit and ended up twin crosses, 3-D stars, and complex structures. Twinning is actually rather common in the mineral kingdom, but perfectly formed twins are not. Ref: Excerpt http:/galleries.com via Petrograph, 3/04
(Unsolicited Advice from Mr. Tom)

How about the crazy pans, cactus planters maybe?

Mitch Mauer, Eric Fuller, Pat Mauer, Kathy Fuller, Brecken and Julie Uhl, Jannette Hale, Lee Attaway and Mandy the pooch

From the Editor:

Happy Thanksgiving to All!

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Upcoming Show Dates:


Nov. 27-29 Terlingua, Texas: Show; "Rock & Gem Fest"; Chihuahuan Desert Gem & Mineral Club; Big Bend
Motor Inn Conference Room, free admission; dealers, rocks, gems, jewelry, Kids' Corner; contact Mary Brogan, (432) 837-3824; e-mail: marybrogan@rocketmail.com; Web site: www.agates123.com.cdgme/ El Paso, TX: El Paso Mineral & Gem Society Show; El Maida Auditorium, 6331 Alabama; Fri. 10-6, Sat. 10-6, Sun. 10-5; gems, minerals, fossils, beads, silver jewelry, geode cutting, silent auction, demonstrations, door prizes; contact Gem Center USA, (877) 533-7153 or (915) 533 7153 Spring Hill, FL: Withlacoochee Rockhounds 35th Annual Show, Slovene American Club, Adults $3. Minerals, gemstones, fossils, jewelry, lapidary equip., gem & mineral auction and more. Contact James Raflone (727) 862-4560, Info@withlacooheerockhounds.com; or web site www.withlacoocheerockhounds.com Colorado Springs, CO: Colorado Springs Mineralogical Soc. 46th Annual Show, Phil Long Expo Center. Adults $5, Seniors $3. Dealers, rocks, gems, fossils, jewelry, silent auction, exhibitors, gold panning demos and more. Contact Ronald Yamiolkoski (719) 488-5526, info@cmss.us or web site www.csms.us Laughlin, NV: Show, "Clouds Jamboree"; Richard Cloud; Avi Resort and Casino - Outdoor RV Park, 10000 Aha Macav Pkwy.; 10-5 every day; contact Richard Cloud, P.O. Box 284, Quartzsite, AZ 85346, (866) 558-7719; e-mail: cloudsjamboree@tds.net ; Web site: www.cloudsjamboree.com Quartzsite, AZ: Wholesale and retail show, "Desert Gardens International Gem & Mineral Show"; Desert Gardens RV Park; 1064 Kuehn Rd., south side of I-10, along frontage road; 9-6 daily; free admission; crystals, minerals, rough, polished, jewelry; contact Sharon or Sandy, Desert Gardens RV Park, (928) 927-6361; e-mail: info@desertgardensrvpark.net ; Web site: www.desertgardensrvpark.net

Dec. 4-6

Dec. 4-6

Dec. 5-6

Jan. 1-31

Jan. 1-28

For further information or shows please go to www.rockngem.com There just might be a good rock show in the area of your travels.

Thought for the Day:


Who was the first person to look at a cow and say, 'I think I'll squeeze these dangly things and drink whatever comes out?'

Classifieds:
Judi Keith is going to sell Denny's 1982 Bronco Lariat. It's in good running shape, has a V8 rebuilt engine, new battery and has been well taken care of. If anyone is interested or knows someone who is please call Judi at 527-9035. This is a collector's item and has many miles of pleasure left in it.

Some Interesting Web Sites for you to check out:


Members occasionally send me web sites to check out and pass on plus the ones that I run across. any of your favorites that you think our members might be interested in. Please send me

http://mapper.acme.com Great mapping program- map, satellite, topo, etc. - lots of options www.hubblesite.org/ The Hubble web site - wonderful.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1215723/Staffordshire-hoard-Amateur-treasure-hunter-findsBritains-biggest-haul-Anglo-Saxon-gold.html and http://www.staffordshirehoard.org.uk/ Two neat sites on the same Anglo Saxon treasure found in Great Britain
www.scribd.com A publishing site, very complex with loads of information on everything.

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Gemcrafters & Explorers Club, P.O. Box 3091, Las Cruces, NM 88003
Member of: American Federation of Mineralogical Societies: www.amfed.org Rocky Mountain Federation of Mineralogical Societies: www.rmfms.org Blue Ribbon Coalition: www.sharetrails.org

2009 OFFICERS:
President Vice President Treasurer Secretary Programs Refreshments Historian Editor Dave Smith Kathy Fuller Lee Attaway Susan Banning Eric Fuller Pat Mauer Don Saathoff Maxine Wyman 521-3103 524-0204 523-4017 532-9612 524-0204 526-4939 382-3464 649-4900 joandaves@msn.com kathyf@nmsu.edu leeretired@comcast.net skstauffer@aol.com ghosthiker@gmail.com mpmauer@comcast.net auagte2@comcast.net max4680@fastwave.biz

We meet on the third Friday of the month at Breland Hall, Room 189, NMSU campus at 6:30 pm for social and 7 pm for the meeting. There is no meeting in July. Dues are $10 per person per year and each additional family member is $2 per year. They are due Jan. 1st of each year. A membership form will be emailed or mailed to you in December to be filled out and returned with your check BY MAIL to the treasurer. Our purpose shall be to gather knowledge and provide educational benefits to members on geological, archaeological, lapidary, and mineralogical topics of interest, to include assistance to members in all lapidary problems, the study and identification of minerals and gem stones in the rough, the field study of geological formations which produce minerals and gem stones, the collection of minerals and gemstones, and the exploration of any geological or archaeological topic or area which may be of interest to the membership.

NOTE: All articles and photographs are by the Editor Maxine Wyman unless otherwise noted.

Info for the Newsletter:

If you have information, articles, pictures or a website related to gem crafting, rock collecting or exploring and would like to share please give me a call at 649-4900 or email me at max4680@fastwave.biz. If you have a good idea or story to tell I will be more than happy to help you write it up. Also if you have minerals, outdoor or camping equipment, etc. that you would like to sell please let me know for our free "Classifieds." Maxine Wyman, Editor

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