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Tnh ton thit k sn vi SAFE - quandang - 09-16-2012 02:01 PM (09-12-2012 02:43 PM)Ho Viet Hung vit: Mnh khng dng SAFE, nhng mnh c c bit SAFE c 2 im cn lu : Ni lc trong safe c gii trn m hnh xut hin khp do (?) Trong Safe, cn lu iu kin bin, m hnh Etabs xut sang Save thng ch c dm sn, cn cc ct c thay bng gi ta. Cn lm chnh xc bng cch khai bo ct tng trn v tng di, ng thi khai bo iu kin bin ca cc ct ny ni lc trong Sn c ng hn

Nn ni chung ni lc gii ra trong SAFE s khng ging trong Etabs v li cng khng ging tnh tay. i vi vic khai bo tit din sn nn l Shell hay Membrane: Nh bn bit, membrane l dng mng, sn dng membrane ch truyn ti trong m khng c cng un. Cng nh nhng s la chn khc, cu tr li l bn chn s no th phi thit k ct thp cho cc cu kin vi ni lc trong s y. Khi bn chn Membrane, bn s phi thit k c thp dm ln hn, nhng li ch phi thit k sn theo ni lc thng thng Khi bn chn shell, bn s thit k dm vi ni lc b hn, nhng li phi thit k sn vi ni lc m n gnh cho dm C hai trng hp thit k u m bo kh nng chu lc

Theo mnh ngh, m hnh membrane khng ng vi thc t, v sn lun c cng. c bit l i vi h dm bt, vic sn tham gia chu lc v phi thit k ct thp cho sn trong trng hp l mt chuyn ng nhin. Trn y l kin ca mnh, cn quan im ca cc bn? Ci t m theo bn khai bo nh th no mi ng?Thanks. RE: Gn ti gi trong ETABS - Ho Viet Hung - 09-17-2012 08:33 AM (09-16-2012 02:01 PM)quandang vit: (09-12-2012 02:43 PM)Ho Viet Hung vit: Mnh khng dng SAFE, nhng mnh c c bit SAFE c 2 im cn lu : Ni lc trong safe c gii trn m hnh xut hin khp do (?) Trong Safe, cn lu iu kin bin, m hnh Etabs xut sang Save thng ch c dm sn, cn cc ct c thay bng gi ta. Cn lm chnh xc bng cch khai bo ct tng trn v tng di, ng thi khai bo iu kin bin ca cc ct ny ni lc trong Sn c ng hn

Nn ni chung ni lc gii ra trong SAFE s khng ging trong Etabs v li cng khng ging tnh tay. i vi vic khai bo tit din sn nn l Shell hay Membrane:

Nh bn bit, membrane l dng mng, sn dng membrane ch truyn ti trong m khng c cng un. Cng nh nhng s la chn khc, cu tr li l bn chn s no th phi thit k ct thp cho cc cu kin vi ni lc trong s y. Khi bn chn Membrane, bn s phi thit k c thp dm ln hn, nhng li ch phi thit k sn theo ni lc thng thng Khi bn chn shell, bn s thit k dm vi ni lc b hn, nhng li phi thit k sn vi ni lc m n gnh cho dm C hai trng hp thit k u m bo kh nng chu lc

Theo mnh ngh, m hnh membrane khng ng vi thc t, v sn lun c cng. c bit l i vi h dm bt, vic sn tham gia chu lc v phi thit k ct thp cho sn trong trng hp l mt chuyn ng nhin. Trn y l kin ca mnh, cn quan im ca cc bn? Ci t m theo bn khai bo nh th no mi ng?Thanks. . Quan im ca mnh:

Khai bo nh th s chnh xc hn v c k n cng ca ct vi tc dng chng xoay, c bit l c sn bin

RE: Tnh ton thit k sn vi SAFE - Ho Viet Hung - 09-17-2012 05:54 PM Tuy nhin trong qu trnh tm hiu th mnh thy gia Etabs 9.7.1 v Safe 12 c th xut - nhp cc gi tr v chuyn v ca im lin kt vi Ct - Vch tng ng, v do phn nh ng vi thc t lm vic ca sn Export trong Etabs

Kt qu trong Safe

RE: Tnh ton thit k sn vi SAFE - chbkhcm - 09-18-2012 06:10 PM A Hng ni trong Safe ni lc c xc nh theo m hnh xc nh khp do l sao ?c phi Safe c k n giai on vt liu chy do-lm vic phi tuyn phi ko ? Theo nh em bit th thng Etabs ko k n giai on lm vic phi tuyn ca vt liu m ch xc nh ni lc giai on n hi ca vt liu phi ko a? RE: Tnh ton thit k sn vi SAFE - Ho Viet Hung - 09-18-2012 08:15 PM (09-18-2012 06:10 PM)chbkhcm vit: A Hng ni trong Safe ni lc c xc nh theo m hnh xc nh khp do l sao ?c phi Safe c k n giai on vt liu chy do-lm vic phi tuyn phi ko ? Theo nh em bit th thng Etabs ko k n giai on lm vic phi tuyn ca vt liu m ch xc nh ni lc giai on n hi ca vt liu phi ko a? . Mnh khng r c th phng php xc nh ni lc ca Safe (phn tch phi tuyn, hay phn phi li m men, hay gim cng cu kin ...v.v.) v mnh cha s dng Safe nhiu lm. Tuy nhin ni lc trong Safe c xu hng tng m men dng v gim m men m, iu ny c th thy thng qua kt qu phn tch so vi Etabs RE: Tnh ton thit k sn vi SAFE - chbkhcm - 09-18-2012 08:51 PM Em ngh vn tng momen dng v gim momen m l v Safe quan nim lin kt gia dm v sn gn vi thc t hn chng ta quan nim l thuyt Khi ta c hd/hs>=3 th ta quan nim l ngm nhng trong Safe th ko phi vy,n ch c xem l ngm khi hd/hs l khong 1000 ln,e ngh thc t cng vy,d thc t hd/hs>=3 th cng ko th no l ngm tuyt i nh ta quan nim, l l do v sao Safe n gim momen m v tng momen dng. Mong c a gp . RE: Tnh ton thit k sn vi SAFE - Ho Viet Hung - 09-18-2012 09:48 PM (09-18-2012 08:51 PM)chbkhcm vit: Em ngh vn tng momen dng v gim momen m l v Safe quan nim lin kt gia dm v sn gn vi thc t hn chng ta quan nim l thuyt Khi ta c hd/hs>=3 th ta quan nim l ngm nhng trong Safe th ko phi vy,n ch c xem l ngm khi hd/hs l khong 1000 ln,e ngh thc t cng vy,d thc t hd/hs>=3 th cng ko th no l ngm tuyt i nh ta quan nim, l l do v sao Safe n gim momen m v tng momen dng. Mong c a gp . Bn thn mn Mong bn phn bit r 2 vn : - Phn phi li m men do s suy gim cng hoc bin dng do ca kt cu (dm, sn xut hin vt nt, vng ca cu kin tng v do xut hin s phn phi li m men) - Vn quan nim ngm hay khp ch dng cho tnh ton vi bng tra, lc chng ta phi quyt nh s l bn k (lin kt vi dm) l ngm hay khp chn bng tra ni lc ph hp. Etabs hay Safe l cc phn mm s dng phn t hu hn, lin kt gia sn v dm c gi l lin kt nt cng (sn lin kt thng qua nt cng) ni lc phn phi thng qua cng ca cu kin v cng ca n so vi h kt cu, vic nt c xoay hay khng v xoay bao nhiu nm trong thut ton phn tch ni lc (Etabs hay Safe u s dng phng php PTHH m hnh chuyn v). Ni lc ca Sn trong Etabs khc vi trong Safe nh ni trn l do Etabs s dng m hnh n hi tuyn tnh, cn Safe c k n s phn phi li m men. Mt ln na, cc phn mm trn u c kt qu khc vi tnh tay bng bng tra, do bng tra ch s dng cho bn n, c lin kt l tng RE: Tnh ton thit k sn vi SAFE - chbkhcm - 09-18-2012 10:05 PM

A c th gii thch thm cho em hiu l ETABS dng m hnh n hi tuyn tnh tc l th no ?c phi m hnh m vt liu ch lm vic trong giai on n hi,cn Safe k n s phn phi momen l do n k n giai on bin dng do ca vt liu? Theo e bit khi chng ta khai bo tit din trong Etabs v Safe cho dm sn th chng ta ch khai bo l b tng,ko khai bo ct thp th c sao ko ?sao li khng dng modun bin dng cho b tng m li dng modun n hi trong khi giai on n hi ca b tng rt ngn,mong a gii p. RE: Tnh ton thit k sn vi SAFE - Ho Viet Hung - 09-19-2012 07:56 AM (09-18-2012 10:05 PM)chbkhcm vit: A c th gii thch thm cho em hiu l ETABS dng m hnh n hi tuyn tnh tc l th no ?c phi m hnh m vt liu ch lm vic trong giai on n hi,cn Safe k n s phn phi momen l do n k n giai on bin dng do ca vt liu? Theo e bit khi chng ta khai bo tit din trong Etabs v Safe cho dm sn th chng ta ch khai bo l b tng,ko khai bo ct thp th c sao ko ?sao li khng dng modun bin dng cho b tng m li dng modun n hi trong khi giai on n hi ca b tng rt ngn,mong a gii p. . V vic la chn gi tr m un n hi v vic khng a vai tr ca ct thp vo qu trnh phn tch ni lc mnh xin khng bn lun. Mnh tin rng cc tiu chun thit k ra nhng h s an ton m bo cho php chp nhn nhng sai s ng nhin trong qu trnh phn tch kt cu Mnh cng post nh sau xut pht t th nghim nghin cu ng x phi tuyn ca cu kin b tng ct thp (cc ti liu lin quan c th tm thy y: http://www.thuvien.ketcausoft.com/pages/P12102604-su-suy-giam-do-cung-cua-ket-cau-be-tongcot-thep)

Th nghim cho thy vt nt xut hin tng i sm lm gim mt cch ng k cng ca cu kin ( dc ca ng Ti trng - Bin dng thay i),

Tuy nhin d cng c suy gim, cu kin sau vn ng x mt cch gn nh tuyn tnh - ng Ti trng - Bin dng gn nh thng, iu ny c c l do vai tr hn ch vt nt ca ct thp, v lc ny ct thp mi ng vai tr mt cch r rt trong cng ca cu kin. V di ti trng lm vic (service load), cu kin vn ng x gn nh tuyn tnh. RE: Tnh ton thit k sn vi SAFE - trhoan - 10-25-2012 01:33 PM Ti ang hc mn ny ai c ti liu xc nh vng sn bng safe 12.3 cho xin tm hiu hc hi. Cm n

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