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Topic: Vernon's Opinion of Mentalism?
Posted by: Gumar Oz DuBar (Jan 2, 2014 9:28am)

I don't own Revelations and admittedly, my knowledge of The Professor is limited. I'm aware of his mastery with cards and some traditional magic, maybe cups & balls or some silks or basic m******e o***. But did Vernon ever show an interest in mentalism? I've heard a supposed quote from him, essentially saying that no one could fool him - except Slydini (who obviously wasn't a mentalism, as far as I know). However was it not true that Vernon was on good terms or at least knew Dunninger? Surely he knew other mentalists as well, and none of the most legendary and pioneering names in mentalism could fool him? Not saying that I find it untrue, just not that much literature on Vernon and mentalism, as far as I've been able to find. So basically, the main question(s) would be: Did Vernon ever show an interest in mentalism, or only "traditional magic"? What was Vernon's view on mentalism, if it was ever publicly given? What did he think of Gellar and of Randi?

If the answers to these questions can be found on Revelations, please let me know. It should be noted that I'm only interested in Vernon's view/opinion of mentalism (or contributions if he ever gave any, which I don't believe he did. Could I be wrong about that?) not about card or traditional magic. Thanks! Message: Posted by: sjrw (Jan 2, 2014 1:10pm)

Look at Vernon's work on the Brainwave deck, also see Vernon's "Out of Sight, Out of Mind" for a great thought of card effect. From reading Vernon's biography by David Ben I got the impression that Vernon favoured a thought of card over a chosen card. I'm not aware of any Vernon mentalism/mental magic which does not use playing cards though. Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 2, 2014 1:15pm)

Don't forget his "Five Card Mental Force." He also wrote up an early handling of the Center Tear which, I believe, can be found in Tarbell. I first met Vernon back in the early eighties when I first worked the Magic Castle. We had many long discussions while sitting at the bar or at his little table in the corner. Yes, he knew Dunninger and, as far as I could tell, liked him. He also knew and liked Annemann. (It seemed like he knew EVERYBODY.) He didn't, however, like most mentalism acts. But, then again, he didn't like most magic acts either and could be scathingly ruthless in his opinions. His loud comments to less than competent performers like, "Why don't you take up stamp collecting?" are legendary. It didn't help that in his later years his hearing wasn't always that good and he tended to talk loudly when "whispering" to a friend sitting next to him in a Castle audience. Many performers dreaded hearing him say something like, "This guy stinks!" during their first appearance. (I imagine more than a few actually did consider stamp collecting.) Vernon appreciated good entertainers who could mystify an audience with clear cut and

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php?topic=538033&fo.. But when the deck came to me. 2014 1:43pm) I believe Vernon had a version of the CT with tape on a pad. (In the middle of my first performance he "whispered. I sat with Vernon. I decided to do my own version of the first effect I ever say Vernon do on the old Steve Allen show. 2014 1:58pm) Posted by: Scott Soloff (Jan 2. I considered myself lucky that he liked my act. Message: Bob. though. I included it in my 1982 book.his classic "Follow the Leader. mastermindreader wrote: Don't forget his "Five Card Mental Force. simply.themagiccafe. It was kind of like the last scene in "The Hustler" when Minnesota Fats finally compliments Fast Eddie. The next night he presented me with a limerick that he'd written after seeing my presentation of Russian Roulette in the Parlour of Prestidigitation. Vernon smiled at me and said. "You do good card tricks." I was on top of the world. it was no good. but I had adapted a move I learned from Howie Schwartzmann to change the ending. 2014 2:08pm) On 2014-01-02 13:15. is mostly hype. Scott Message: Posted by: Jerskin (Jan 2. after hours. "The Art of Mentalism." 2 di 6 04/01/2014 17. kid. It certainly takes great audacity. Larry Jennings and a few others around a table taking turns doing card tricks for each other. He lacks any fear when they fire a gun in his ear. And audacity was one of the qualities he seemed to admire most. and great story! Message: Quote: Posted by: Gumar Oz DuBar (Jan 2. Message: Good point Bob." Here it is: A famous mentalist named Cassidy most decidedly has the capacity. when I was getting up to leave we shook hands and he gave me the greatest compliment I ever received. He often remarked that if an effect could not be clearly described in one sentence." "He's another Dunninger!") The stuff about no one being able to fool him. What he didn't tolerate was mediocrity.. easily describable effects.http://www. or at least caught him by surprise. ANYONE can be fooled. 2014 2:15pm) Posted by: sjrw (Jan 2. I really believe it fooled him. It wasn't great poetry but it meant a lot to me. Later. I knew I had no business at that table with guys of that caliber. One night.com/forums/printtopic.37 . Great stuff!!! Thank you. Best wishes." My routine was exactly like Vernon's original.

http://www. I considered myself lucky that he liked my act. I knew I had no business at that table with guys of that caliber. The next night he presented me with a limerick that he'd written after seeing my presentation of Russian Roulette in the Parlour of Prestidigitation. "You do good card tricks. I decided to do my own version of the first effect I ever say Vernon do on the old Steve Allen show. I really believe it fooled him. But when the deck came to me.com/forums/printtopic. (In the middle of my first performance he "whispered. It wasn't great poetry but it meant a lot to me." "He's another Dunninger!") The stuff about no one being able to fool him. It was kind of like the last scene in "The Hustler" when Minnesota Fats finally compliments Fast Eddie. then again.. Larry Jennings and a few others around a table taking turns doing card tricks for each other. he knew Dunninger and. Yes. liked him. He lacks any fear when they fire a gun in his ear. Later. He also knew and liked Annemann. "This guy stinks!" during their first appearance.) Vernon appreciated good entertainers who could mystify an audience with clear cut and easily describable effects. 3 di 6 04/01/2014 17.his classic "Follow the Leader." Here it is: A famous mentalist named Cassidy most decidedly has the capacity. ANYONE can be fooled. though. We had many long discussions while sitting at the bar or at his little table in the corner. I included it in my 1982 book.themagiccafe. His loud comments to less than competent performers like. He often remarked that if an effect could not be clearly described in one sentence. as far as I could tell. after hours. like most mentalism acts.37 . It didn't help that in his later years his hearing wasn't always that good and he tended to talk loudly when "whispering" to a friend sitting next to him in a Castle audience." I was on top of the world. What he didn't tolerate was mediocrity. when I was getting up to leave we shook hands and he gave me the greatest compliment I ever received. is mostly hype. Many performers dreaded hearing him say something like. it was no good. I sat with Vernon. I first met Vernon back in the early eighties when I first worked the Magic Castle. But.. but I had adapted a move I learned from Howie Schwartzmann to change the ending. Vernon smiled at me and said. he didn't like most magic acts either and could be scathingly ruthless in his opinions. however.php?topic=538033&fo. (It seemed like he knew EVERYBODY." My routine was exactly like Vernon's original. can be found in Tarbell. I believe. kid. He also wrote up an early handling of the Center Tear which. "Why don't you take up stamp collecting?" are legendary. "The Art of Mentalism. (I imagine more than a few actually did consider stamp collecting. or at least caught him by surprise.) He didn't. simply. One night.

As for the second point. Message: GumarYou're welcome. Also insightful as always and answered/covered my questions. I have no idea.com/forums/printtopic. 4 di 6 04/01/2014 17. Message: Quote: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 2.themagiccafe. Yes. My guess is that he probably didn't care one way or the other. Others as well.php?topic=538033&fo. That's where he'd stick the stolen center. which was opened out with the tip of the pencil or pen while "doodling impressions" on the pad. Message: Quote: Posted by: Gumar Oz DuBar (Jan 2. 2014 2:50pm) On 2014-01-02 14:50. And audacity was one of the qualities he seemed to admire most. For the first point. We never talked about it. He originally cut a small hole in the top sheet of the pad and applied a piece of tape from the other side. That's the one I was referring to in Tarbell. I assumed as much based on your wonderful stories about him on a personal level. My guess is that he probably didn't care one way or the other. The only question I didn't answer was about his feelings toward the whole Geller/Randi thing. Wow! What an enjoyable read. I thank you for your detail though.37 . thank you Bob. Jerskin wrote: I believe Vernon had a version of the CT with tape on a pad. We never talked about it. very much appreciated.. I have no idea. Thanks for the response and info.. The method really became obsolete with the introduction of double sided tape. Indeed. It certainly takes great audacity. I figured as much from your lack of a response. The only question I didn't answer was about his feelings toward the whole Geller/Randi thing. 2014 2:44pm) On 2014-01-02 13:58.http://www. 2014 3:05pm) Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 2. mastermindreader wrote: GumarYou're welcome.

2014 6:13am) There's also. but still . Vernon. so he pulled out a business card. Five Card Mental Miracle.com/forums/printtopic. in a Café thread. it's a pleasure to meet you. Message: Posted by: BAGWIZ (Jan 3. 2014 5:50am) Posted by: bofx (Jan 3.themagiccafe. Funny how a seemingly harmless (and pretty frail back then) old man could make a kid shake in his boots . or. 2014 5:36am) Posted by: RCP (Jan 2.php?topic=538033&fo. one of the few things that I did/do know about Vernon and mentalism was his CT. but I'm sure he appreciated great mentalism. Message: Posted by: landmark (Jan 3. in the hotel lobby. "Mr. Only a few times did I muster the courage to speak with him and on the one occasion he asked me to show him whatever I was working on. Message: Thanks for sharing. I can't find the post. Glen Falkenstein and other performing mentalists.. Unfortunately. which in essence has a mentalism feel. and surreptitiously clipped on a nail writer. . and I appreciated that because I'd seen him rip more than a few people to shreds.http://www. Message: Great story ! Message: Posted by: Medifro (Jan 3. I always got the impression he was a pioneer in the think a card plot. Message: Posted by: Gumar Oz DuBar (Jan 2. 2014 11:13pm) Café member Bill Palmer once told. 2014 3:58pm) I spent a number of years at the Castle.37 . He obviously took magic very seriously and his expectation of others was that they would do likewise. In the Castle library Vernon regularly played cards with Kuda Bux. Very frequently I saw him spending time with Max Maven.. I was nervous as hell. 2014 3:11pm) Oh and for the record. There's also an entire section on the Revelation dvd's where Vernon discusses his code. where Dai Vernon held court almost nightly. I'll try not to mangle it too much.. one of my favorite Vernon stories. Mr. I just didn't feel skilled enough to try and hang with him like others did.. there. Vernon was that he appreciated all forms of the art. The Trick That Cannot Be Explained. 2014 3:37pm) I'm wondering if he made any distintion between Mentalism and Mental Magic? I realize the distintion was never there till later in his life. so I hope he'll forgive me if I re-tell it here. wondering if he ever had any thoughts on that. and enjoying himself at a magic convention when. Message: Posted by: Joe Atmore (Jan 3. probably not as much as a great card effect. he saw Vernon sitting in a corner. Vernon would you 5 di 6 04/01/2014 17. But Vernon was the master and we all knew it. I really enjoyed it. you're one of my heroes. 2014 2:26pm) In early years. away from the madding crowd. I thank you all for your responses though.Feras Message: Posted by: VernonOnCoins (Jan 3... so long as it was performed extremely well. who perhaps could be classified as a mentalist. from Stars of Magic. Vernon's agent was Dunninger's as well. Bill thought this was his chance to talk to the great man. Bill was an eager young magician. Out of Sight Out of Mind. Message: Posted by: VernonOnCoins (Jan 3. My impression of Mr.. 2014 2:00pm) And let's not forget. He was kind to me.

"Is there any reason you chose that number?" The Professor looked at him straight in the eye and said. Vernon.php?topic=538033&fo." as he furiously did the dirty deed. you're one of my heroes. Bill was an eager young magician." repeated Bill.. away from the madding crowd." repeated Bill. he saw Vernon sitting in a corner. so he pulled out a business card. in a Café thread. five. and enjoying himself at a magic convention when. "458. five. I'll try not to mangle it too much. and eight are the three most difficult numbers to nail write. mind please naming a three-digit number?" The Professor paused for a moment and then said. 2014 1:02am) On 2014-01-03 23:13." "I see.http://www." Now THAT is a great story! 6 di 6 04/01/2014 17. 458.. I can't find the post." as he furiously did the dirty deed. landmark wrote: Café member Bill Palmer once told.com/forums/printtopic." Message: Quote: Posted by: BAGWIZ (Jan 4." "I see. there. in the hotel lobby. and eight are the three most difficult numbers to nail write. Four. "As a matter of fact there is. 458. Vernon would you mind please naming a three-digit number?" The Professor paused for a moment and then said. "Mr. "As a matter of fact there is. Unfortunately. and surreptitiously clipped on a nail writer.37 . so I hope he'll forgive me if I re-tell it here. one of my favorite Vernon stories. Bill thought this was his chance to talk to the great man. Mr. Four. it's a pleasure to meet you.themagiccafe. "458. "Is there any reason you chose that number?" The Professor looked at him straight in the eye and said.