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DA FORM 2823. DEC 1998
up. '813, JUl 72, IS OBSOLETE
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STATEMENT0_TAKEN AT Baghdad Iraq DATED
on Ideas tor target folder Cleveiopmenl ltlen work withIi i OJP
developcng specified interrogation plans. and then structure repon formats for C2 appr
After the 20 Sep 03 mortar attacK I realtze<llt\at tM SC)kjlers at Abu Ghraib did not h8V8 an
appropnate standard of IMng. There was no dedicated PX facilitill5. no weight roomlgymlcarUic
facilities: minimal internet connectIVIty, almost no telephone lines, no dedicated mail S81Vice, no
dedated dining fadlity other than the field kitchen. no hot stlowers. no washing facililies for
clothes. etc. I spoke wrth COL PAPPAS aboutliBveral problems with Abu Ghraib. I cited haw
CIVilian employees were being deployed Without the appropriate force protection equipment,
soldiers Without weapons ammunitIOn. lad< of basic office equipment and supplies. etc.
FollOWV'lg the memorial seMce, I believe on 26 September tor two SOldiers killed in mortar attacK,
COL PAPPAS offered me the JIDC Commander posluen. I initially accepted the role pending
dISCussion With my rater wno was en leave. However after a week Dr so. I discovered ttaat there
was no Command and Control (C2) aSSociated with the position aver soldiers, civil"'s. Dr policy.
As I did not have any C2. I dedined toe JIDC Commander rote. COL PAPPAS stated that he
would have one of his Battalion Commanoers assigned with ttlelr unit ttl run the JIDC. I agreed to
stay and continue assist.mg COL PAPPAS Aner oeclinlllg the positJon. COL PAPPAS raferred 10
hImself as the J IDC CommanderlDlrector. I decKled I would best serve as some so" of executive
of1icer performing a mayoral support rOle for lite Sustaillment is.sues. I start8d IHINing in a
Mayoral capacily at that poml around 20-25 OCtober, about the time COL PAPPAS moved out to
Abu Ghraib tulltime
I advlSefL I dedln8d thl:i JIDC Commander positioi. .tedthat
COL PAPPAS would 01 have Input on my OER and I continued lIUpporting so 18nI.
THE FIRST INCIDENT OF UNAUTHORIZED INTERROGATIONS:
Around 6 or 7 October 2003. I learned that lTlree anterrogators and 8 translator went into Tier 18
to Interrogate two female detainees and poSSIbly had been drinking alcohol a
and I reVIeWed the MPs wntten 6tatement$. I learned trlat the interrogators 8nd one civiban
linguist had the MPs release a female Juvenile detarnee (17) under the guise of an interrogation
at'IC moved her to an isolated cell area and purportedly asked her to remove her top and k.issed
her They then asked to interrogate another female detainee that was an MP hold for criminal
activity. They moved this detainee as weD to 5n ISOlated area and spoke with her and 0rM! held
her hand Both delalOees separately odentifled all tour indIViduals.
COL PAPPAS asked me InvestIgate the matter mae fuUy When questiOned. all three soldierS
ITWQkecl theU nghts and requested an attomey. The civilian bnguist indicated that they had gone
for an InterrogatIOn and he lust did translation as he was directed by the soldier'S and denied any
use ot alcohOl. I forwarOe<l me statements t - • OS'" MI Bela legal officer. and latBr
Spoke WIlt! CIO 100 not know What happened With the matler after that
The nex1 day.c dent over the InterrogatIOn Rules of
Engagement (IROE) with all military and civtltan personnel
OTHER INTERROGATOR MISCONDUCT
Tne only other Incident ot detainee misconduct I was aware of ts theE ."formed me
thali 1 an Interrogator. 8M I an
an Interrogatlon we evening and walked back to hiS th""-
••••••"jad already reassigned both soldiers to other dulles
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AItM the Ihooling, I going inlO tne of Tter 16. Iaaklng for ......
..'thl UP eompany for auiltMoe with the Iraqi palic:e CI'IIlin-Or.
cBFimanc. The;o;r.;;g Clogs .... not mw:zied .nd were _ching the C811s in concen WUt\ ...
QRF..1believ. thelll we", two «th,.. dogs prnent wIItllNir h.ndterI. I.., no dlIIIIW1R
.bUled or ClOgS being mlSllandled. I do not knowif COL P""PAS penniUion to ...
dogl Qunng thll time.
TF.121. OGA. and GHOST DETAINEES
OGA and Tr-121 routinely brought in d....nees for a .nan. perixl Tta A/51Sltb
initiatllcl the term &gholr. They ....1ed tMy used th111Inn IS Ih8 dean. .,.nat in-
processed in the normal way via the MP dallDaU and were nat yMCltegorized. ,,_dlffiQ.llllD
nclc dltalnees and I ana oUler OfflCell recommended that a ...... iOI.odum of
Undel'lllnding be wnlten LIP bel' OGA, 2OS" Mt 80E and IhIIDC'" r.tP BDElD...bIiIh
proc:eoUles lor. gtlO5t DatUi.e. 1 an Iauof pi CI ''fig tMm under
an a»umed name and flngerpnnbn them but COL PAPPAS decidIcl It
!ij[ with OGAto InIin people on property IIIing out the
tam8e Coahbon Intake Fo and ,lluements descitbing capIl.II' • two ..... reqund
lor the In-procelslng 01 each detainee. .
Goon Detainees were .efereneed ", the wittl tl'llIir capcure lag numbers. COL PAPPAS
Degan II lormabzed wrltlen MOU I Defl8ve In Ill. NcwemtMI[J.&wu.n the 2Qst" MI Bde.
BOO'" MP BDE. end OGA. OL PAPPAS rtll'DClut:aO me to. I belifte. d I. MIlicI& •
representa've for OGA an troducea me II) vanaualWf from TF-121... I•••I••
stated he had heilrCl of me Irom <l!'d II'Ia ..tBd I would .._ with
poSSible Im;ul5t and loglSt!U support ..nied his iliff when Ihly
ott II Detainee about iWO 10 lnree limes a wee;.
Some of Ine OGA people I 2 I do not knOw
wnerner£ • nlenogaled deClilnees loon' recall Dnlhng MG FAST or COL BOlTZ an ghD&t
detainees pel' H. but used tile term OGA oewlnoe
The only TF·12' pel'$onneil rememoe' Dy name wer.-g •
OGA Orge;eJ • mcwe 8 detJlnee by I'llrnaetr tram I .. the
S';s I Intercepted ± .....ihlle tnlnsportC'ig thl 0..",... alked hm...,. was
!la In anc Ihen se1Ved , nil oeitle DudOy Mer transpor1in; tile deUti.... I spoke with
anclsuggeSUld tnat OGA should move ttwir own Cletam.. or lit.
AI approximately 071!Kl720 01'11 o.t In labe 0= 2003, lomeone allC)TOaCtled me anctask8c! it r
knew COL PAPPAS' lOCatIon I _keo wnal _S pill on Dec:aulIe ltwas narty time lOr ...
scneoulC<l Bngaoe Command Updllie. I learned lhat a Cletllinee dted In me -Haro-SIte.
, walklO over 10 the Hard Slle and ..lkeo WlUl--'n IrllQl PI1llOl1 meClteal doe:tcr on llie. who
told me tIIal Ih. delawaee was d..d 1lie Oetlllll.. was ., tne T.., 1B ShOwer stall. tKe down.
nanocufteCl WlIC1 f1Ili tlanos 10 his badt. an oringe
j "Pln it ole. .mI U S medlcal.taft
wel1! on Iltt ncufted the detainee and he WIll tumecl over. I tSlCl not 1_ tllaod an
the boay. the wailS. floor. It cett!II, small sPOt wnelllll'1lt clltllnetf'
STATEMeNT OF f U TAKEN AT_M'd I!WI DATED ?Q01lD512!tlP"
Cl\lng the IoOr. IIIktCI tnt the '!2fJ.... MPBaIIi;l'tilly
he woukt notlly hiI IUpeM PNJPAS I
COL PAPPAS It8I8d ID oWwhen1&& ilvta.nd10.. him
hen . ived he..., thaI he /\lid 11) CIIII WIIIhin;lon Ind requested thai we 1UIn1a1t1
lne. nendlY. acontacted COL PA.PPAS who IISlnted to hold the boay'"
IIthllft • bOdy big and unItS were oontldld far ICe to padc up the
the body HCV* in the shawwr Ire•.
etDwas informed and tile body WIll .."oved en ....the foIIawinD day 1I'IIIcIn; It IPPIIr u it
!he detBin.e wei merely II. ThiS Wli beCa.UIe the I"poIi;e were stili"". In Ihe1m"'"
Ir.. "nd 1,...ligencc rt:IIOl1eCllNt ..... ofb,. might .... a-en WOI1cing lOr an..ca.lllon
Ioo:ali IctOmpanied the bOdy Ind OGA ,wrfDnn b H......to an':lthlr ...1D
ensure lhal the bOOy wu lo.oed InlO • goverrvnent vehICle. .
I heard thaI OGA brought the detalnee10 Abu Ghraib It D530 hOUrS. JaDC
openrnons _. not noblled 01 the eJelalnH I Thli wa not in WIIh" vertlIl
agreements wdh COL PAPPAS Repane<Sly. a Seal T.-n C8P1Ured the ir'ldMdUlI Clurtng one of
Inelr mISSlOM. Tne Detainee was presumed to have been ItlVDIlMd In Ule 1lIadt.,wthe ICRC
and apparllnly had. several we.pons W1Ih rum. tie w-. resilting and ...." :My. SuI
Tum member bult·stJOked him on ttlll aide of the had.
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In I lpake wiU'l a otl1cerJ _ ItJo 10 apeak tD
me me tnallhe dee-mee'S oulh _5...ng JnVaIigMed bY OGA Ind ...me ID
l>PNk to tne OGAattorneys. AfIef Spelklng WIth the attorneys. I never heft anything agein
abOvt InIS ,"odenl until I saw photos of the decealed on tne news.
Arourld '0 - 12 Dec::ember 2004. tour Than __...n departing Abu GlVaib wMhoul
aulnonZa1l0n When Ihey retumeCi Ie AD... GnialD. COL. PAPPAS ordered the 1es" MI IN
Commanoer and me 10 tor them 'riO rIPOn when tIlIty returned. WelllllTllCt tMt they hM!
aeparted WlmOUt .utnonzatlon 10 go snopplng anc Y111t rallllves in Ba;"dad 1lle llngUIIdI-
relT\O¥e<l Irom tne bale Ind Illowed to tranSfer 10 fuMer oUllying II'"or !Ole tnetr _lians.
The Intema1lonal Red Cross VISItItCl Abu Ghraltl COL PAPPAS told me Ih8t he WId BG
KARPINSKI rec-.vecllhe fiMl ",port I aid not aMlhe report COL PAPPAS Mkad me it I heel
ever aeen or "eef'll Nmor 01 ."., I replied no. I ern not awete of COl PAPPAS doing
aoout tne aUeglltlons ThIS occurreo mid Ie .te OCtober 3 nd I
called II lormal1on ana BClOrascd thele auu 10 the lOIa.e,. Ind Qyu.ens of the JIDC. NoDody
Inclcated lhallfley were -are 01 any 5ucn IICllVlty MlO IROE we, IIreaed _ well • the
to oeualnees WIth rapect.
IlDenlJrJl'1. .. a Ton linguISt. POUlblyf' ; n anaIYS E • an enatyst;
and lnoInel' sokhar I believe =be clltler In analyst or In illCl!ml9alor. The phc:llo5 were talCef'l In
trle hanl-Slte.u lind lSepCeG InlS al bunc:tIeG Up logllher. IIIiIG 9crBcd
W, ? 100 a tIImaII Tun me ather ph01DS On one phOtO.lMr
• pelreCllO De ln1lrrggahn9J wwno WN lining on two S",,*eo plaSlie c:t1Iin
laCing back m a III( 1M! paSIUCn s
pnoco of 8ft UP Otner pnotm were
agelher. I UWQlMr pnotos of Dogs In the t-taru-S'" ..... .
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Q Do you h:t\'c lJnylhing (0 add to this
;:.;! / l!! ,/.'!I i!iIi!II r'/.Ili! /ili i/!I;.I/;! I ill i/.li/i Iii!ilind of StaICmen(.iI ifil!!/i/ll WI/fllililfI Ii/I
, HAYf: RFAO OR HAVE HAD READ TO ME TillS STATtMENT
N PAGF 1. AND ON PAulo..3.... I fUll Y LJNDt:RS1 ANLl THE CONTENTS or nlE ENTIRE 5TATEMfNT MADE
BY Mt ''1£ STAITMl:NT IS TRUe. I HAVE INITIALED ALL CORRECTIONS AlI.O HAIlE INITIAt.!m HOI roM OJ: EACII PAG[
CONTAIr.,,,,C THE STI<. TtMENT. I HAVE MADr THIS STATeMENT fftEf:l Y WITHOUT HOPE Of Bf.Nl+1T OR REWARO. wm·ICUT
TltrlUT or PUNSIIMENT. AND WITHOUT •.. :/....'.
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rr,ucd Name of f'enO(J Adminisrflfltlg CJlThJ
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PAG[ 7 or 7 PACts
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