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2 understand it. I don't understand it at 2 it out in the hall?
3 alL.
3 Thank you very much.
4 They know how to run a union. 4 MR. SANABRIA: If I heard you
5 They know how to run men, they know how 5 correctly one of my brothers had stated
6 to treat the shop stewards right, how to 6 that the evidence are not 100 percent
7 treat the men right. 7 and I could drive these guys nuts and
8 All they do is try to help 8 you guys could turn red and literally
9 everybody. That is all they try to do. 9 kick me out of here politically-wise
10 Just to do that, I don't understand it, 10 because this is America and I do believe
11 just don't understand, you know, because 11 heavily in the American justice.
12 of phone calls or whatever. I don't 12 We are all here, until proven
13 understand it. 13 guilty we are innocent.
14 They always there. There is 14 I say, from the White House all
15 always somebody in the offce, there is 15 the way down to White Castle mistakes
16 always somebody there. 16 are done. Some of these mistakes are
17 Now you got guys in there, five 17 not to be terminated, some of these
18 minutes late from lunch, they tell you 18 mistakes are -- some of us have to pay
19 to get off the job. Five minutes late
19 penalties, and from listening throughout
20 for lunch because of the elevator. 20 these hearings I feel that our
21 Oh, give the boss permission to 21 representatives, if needed to be
22 remove you? We are not a union no more. 22 disciplined, should have been
23 This just happened to me two weeks ago, 23 disciplined but not discarded or forced
24 a new member, that y'all put in that 24 to be resigned or even terminated.
25 office. Don't even know the rules. 25 I have been around for ten years
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2 Don't even know the rules. Never even 2 as a member of the Local 157 and I can
3 called me. 3 tell you numerous times, whether the
4 It would never happened if they 4 jobs were small, two-man job, three-man
5 was there, never. 5 job or even big jobs, SO guys, 75 guys
6 I am hearing do they have a chance 6 where not just one but all of my
7 to come back. That is the main thing. 7 representatives one at a time have
8 I want them back. I want them back. 8 stopped by to check up on the jobs, have
9 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. 9 conversations with the workers, make
10 Paul Sanabria. 10 sure everyhing was okay, make sure
11 PAUL SANABRIA, called as a witness, having 11 there was no finagling going on.
12 been duly sworn, testified as follows: 12 I sincerely feel that the
13 THE CHAIRMAN: Have a seat, PauL. 13 representatives that we had there were
14 Are you a member of 157. 14 doing right by the members, otherwise,
15 MR. SANABRIA: Yes, I am. 15 they wouldn't be there because we are
16 THE CHAIRMAN: Offcer? 16 all men and women, we all have minds,
17 MR. SANABRIA: No, sir. 17 and when we feel that something is not
18 THE CHAIRMAN: Go ahead. 18 right we have the right as a union
19 MR. SANABRIA: Gentlemen, i have 19 brother or sister, as union member, to
20 sat here and I have listened to more or 20 speak up on it, whether it is the
21 less everyhing my brothers have said so 21 district council or here at the local
22 they more or less said everyhing I 22 having our local meetings.
23 wanted to say. 23 So for me to hear that the
24 THE CHAIRMAN: Whoever is on the 24 evidence that we -- that the district
25 phone back there, would you mind taking 25 council has on our brothers is not
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2 100 percent, it bothers me, because this 2 because they did it under
3 is America and for whatever reason the 3 confidentiality --
4 district council has to be pulling a 4 THE CHAIRMAN: See, that is what
5 stunt like this on Local 157 and not 5 is wrong with making statements.
6 having us be together as a family for 6 You say that there is not a
7 the holidays, discontinuing our 7 100 percent or the preponderance of
8 Christmas parties, why is it that our 8 evidence against anybody so why are we
9 brothers and sisters are denied to have 9 doing what we are doing.
10 a Christmas part in our 157 hall? 10 You came to this hearing and the
11 Why is it that our local is not 11 record will speak for itself.
12 represented in our quarterly magazine? 12 They were forced to resign.
13 We have all the locals out here 13 You want us to believe that you
14 pictured wishing everybody, all their 14 have some evidence.
15 brothers and sisters, happy holidays, 15 When you make that statement to me
16 and our local was discarded from that. 16 because we are new here that they were
17 So whatever political reason the 17 forced to resign there is no evidence
18 district council has for eyeing 157 it 18 that I can find that they were forced to
19 is a shame because not only are you 19 resign.
20 destroying lS7's reputation but I feel 20 When I asked the agent,
21 sincerely that we are destroying each 21 Mr. Kennedy, Brother Kennedy, about the
22 other by not having hard evidence.
22 letter of confidentiality that he
23 THE CHAIRMAN: Let me ask you a 23 entered into with the regional council
24 question, Brother.
24 when he voluntarily resigned both his
25 It has come up about forced 25 office and his business agent position
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2 resignation. 2 so that we can get to the bottom of
3 Tell me about how someone forced 3 this, the council won't give it to me
4 these agents and officers to resign. 4 because they signed a confidentiality
5 You have -- you talk about 5 agreement.
6 evidence. You are the one that put into 6 If he was so wronged, if all of
7 the record that these people were forced 7 this was a railroad or a political
8 to resign.
8 motivated discharge or forced
9 On what basis do you support that 9 resignation, then let me see this
10 testimony? 10 termination and separation agreement
11 MR. SANABRIA: On the basis that I 11 which he declines to do, and did it at
12 have spoken to these gentlemen in the 12 that stand, declines to give us that
13 past on job sites personality-Wise so
13 separation agreement.
14 for the district council to try and 14 Do you understand?
15 tarnish their reputation singlehandedly, 15 MR. SANABRIA: I understand.
16 every single one of these business 16 THE CHAIRMAN: So I don't want
17 agents, to try and tarnish that, to try 17 people entering into evidence here the
18 and create more ruckus, not only 18 fact that someone, unless you have
19 mouth-wise but also black and white 19 firsthand knowledge that they were
20 because we are all over the papers now. 20 forced to resign, they resigned.
21 I am prett sure the country knows
21 They may have told you they were
22 about this mess, so I am prett pissed 22 forced to resign.
23 off because if you are going to sit 23 You haven't seen a confidentiality
24 there and tell me, listen, my guy, two 24 agreement. I haven't seen the
25 guys resigned and I can't tell you why 25 confidentiality agreement nor to my
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2 knowledge has anyone in this room seen 2 guilty? It appears.
3 the confidentiality agreement, maybe 3 And so what he has done is acted
4 with the exception of regional or 4 in the best interests by putting
5 district counciL.
5 emergency supervision in.
6 I want to make this clear. 6 He has not found a finding of
7 Everybody has all of these words that 7 fact. We have not found a finding of
8 they want to throw out about forced and 8 fact yet, but everybody assumes that we
9 this and that and the other which in 9 did and that is what we are here for.
10 fact you don't have any evidence to show 10 I just wanted to set the record
11 that they were forCibly requested to 11 straight. I very much thank you for
12 resign. 12 your testimony and your diligence in
13 MR. SANABRIA: But then again we 13 standing through the trial but you got
14 are sitting here in front of you because 14 to understand where I am coming from.
15 obviously you don't have full proof, 15 I am trying to get to the bottom
16 otherwise, we wouldn't be having these 16 of this and when I hear "forced
17 hearings right now, would we? 17 resignation" and stuff from the people
18 THE CHAIRMAN: If you were here 18 and the way you got that is that
19 during all the time you said you were 19 somebody, an agent or somebody, told you
20 here I never indicated once that we 20 they were forcibly made to resign then
21 were -- I told you we were not here to 21 you made it up yourself is what you are
22 prosecute. We were not here to try. We 22 saying.
23 were here to gather evidence. 23 MR. SANABRIA: You know, I guess I
24 Nobody coming in here didn't know 24 made on it up myself, by what I am
25 anybody in this committee. None of you 25 hearing and what I am reading, because
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2 brothers, none of the agents, nobody 2 obviously I got my information somewhere
3 else. 3 and it is not by the BAs.
4 We came here to gather 4 Two of them supposedly resigned
5 information, make a record, go through 5 but one was terminated.
6 the record, not then make a decision but 6 According to your letter, one of
7 go to the general executive board and 7 the letters, one member was terminated
8 let them know what we found. 8 so that means that one member --
9 Let the general executive board of 9 THE CHAIRMAN: No question about
10 the international make a decision as to 10 that.
11 whether supervision continues. 11 MR. SANABRIA: One member was
12 That is what I said. 12 fighting, disputing the charges so what
13 MR. SANABRIA: I do believe that I 13 that member is disputing the charges
14 received two letters implicating my 14 they terminated him.
15 business agents on falsifying documents, 15 They didn't leave him in offce.
16 on not doing their jobs, okay, so to me 16 They didn't suspend him. They
17 you have evidence towards them, don't 17 terminated that person.
18 you? 18 So they -- the district council
19 THE CHAIRMAN: Let me just read an 19 basically found these gentlemen guilty
20 excerpt from the general president's 20 without a triaL.
21 letter. 21 For you to sit there and tell me
22 He didn't say they were guilty. 22 that I have no knowledge of what I am
23 "Based upon information brought to 23 talking about or that I am speaking to a
24 my attention it appears." 24 BA and they are telling me that they
25 Does that sound like you are 25 were forced, no.
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2 I haven't spoken to BAs about 2 is but you have -- you are not looking
3 their position or what happened because, 3 to terminate Local 157 but so far we
4 you know what, it is between the BAs and 4 have been terminated, so far we have
5 the district council to handle that on a 5 been terminated.
6 one-on-one. 6 THE CHAIRMAN: There is another
7 I came here to listen and observe 7 accusation. You are full of
8 and find out from the horses, excuse my 8 accusations. The last time I looked
9 expression, the horse's mouth exactly 9 Local 157 was still in existence.
10 why is it that Local 157 is in jeopardy 10 MR. SANABRIA: Maybe in people's
11 of being nonexistent. 11 minds but what about the magazine, what
12 THE CHAIRMAN: Again, you must not 12 about publicly?
13 have been here earlier on when we talked 13 THE CHAIRMAN: I don't know what
14 about we are not here to make a 14 happened --
15 determination as to whether Local Union 15 MR. SANABRIA: What about 157 in
16 157 is in existence. 16 existence publicly? What about --
17 You can't show me anything that 17 THE CHAIRMAN: You are right.
18 the general president has said, anything 18 You are done. You are done. You
19 that I have said, or anything the 19 are done. You are done.
20 regional council has said. 20 MR. SANABRIA: That is our right,
21 MR. SANABRIA: The actions have 21 right?
22 said it by themselves. 22 THE CHAIRMAN: Dave
23 You have eliminated our 157 23 C-I-P-O-L-L- I-N-A.
24 representatives from being in our 24 DAVID CIPOLLINA, called as a witness,
25 quarterly magazine wishing all of our 25 having been duly sworn, testified as
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2 brothers and sisters happy holidays. 2 follows:
3 You have eliminated our Local 157 3 THE CHAIRMAN: Brother Dave, are
4 brothers and sisters to be together in a 4 you a member of the locaL.
5 holiday that is supposed to be a 5 MR. CIPOLLINA: Yes, sir.
6 forgiven day, a day that Jesus Christ 6 THE CHAIRMAN: An officer?
7 was born. 7 MR. CIPOLLINA: No, sir.
8 THE CHAIRMAN: We are not getting 8 I am not much of a speaker.
9 into religion because there might be 9 THE CHAIRMAN: Don't need to be.
10 other people that have different 10 MR. CIPOLLINA: I would just like
11 beliefs. 11 to say I have been in the union 21
12 MR. SANABRIA: We are here in 12 years. I have been in the union 21
13 America and I am an American and I have 13 years.
14 the right to say what I want. 14 I started out at Local 135 and
15 THE CHAIRMAN: I told you -- are 15 then we had the merger with 157.
16 you done with your testimony? 16 First things were a little rocky
17 MR. SANABRIA: I told you you are 17 but we joined together and banded as
18 going to get mad. I told you you are 18 brothers and men and did what we had to
19 going to kick me out of the -- 19 do and became brothers all over again.
20 THE CHAIRMAN: Are you done with 20 I am a proud member of 157. I am
21 your testimony? 21 proud to say that.
22 MR. SANABRIA: I want the truth 22 Due to my representation of the
23 stated out. 23 men that take care of our daily business
24 You are saying you don't find our 24 and whenever I needed help or had a
25 brothers guilty of whatever the reason 25 question or needed to check out a job or
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2 anything in that effect if I called up 2 is something going on. I would like the
3 the union hall there was always someone 3 fact to be put on the table.
4 there to take my cali. 4 Nobody seems to -- they are
5 If not I could always get someone 5 bouncing around or nobody is coming out
6 on the cell phone which wasn't a problem 6 with, yes, these guys are being brought
7 because a lot of times they are out in 7 up on charges. We are kept in the dark.
8 the field doing what they are there to 8 I am speaking to the members on
9 do. 9 the job site who are very much in the
10 They were there when I needed 10 dark.
11 them. They always called me back if I 11 It is like we are the members, we
12 had a question they couldn't answer. 12 put those representatives in offce to
13 They always called me back, let me know 13 represent us but as regards between the
14 what I could do or had to do in certain 14 inquiry, the district council, we, the
15 situations. 15 members, are totally out of the loop.
16 Basically there is a lot of years 16 I would like to get the picture.
17 between these men, a lot of working 17 I am just coming in here. I got
18 years, a lot of years where they were on 18 caught up in traffic.
19 councils and BAs and officers. 19 I think the inspectors,
20 It is just a shame that we have to 20 Mr. Callahan, did a good job. There is
21 see such men with such a long time of 21 things going on. There always has been.
22 being a carpenter, an officer, to see 22 I would like it to come to the
23 them pushed off to the side without 23 surface and let's move forward.
24 having at least a suspension where they 24 157, like you said, I don't think
25 could still be in office and still run 25 it is in jeopardy. It has been there
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2 the local until what is said to be said, 2 for the last number of years. It is
3 allegations, are true or not. 3 going no place. It will remain to be
4 I really don't agree on what 4 there.
5 district council did by removing our 5 Things will be shuffled around and
6 officers especially at this time of the 6 facts will come to light.
7 year where they have been there all year 7 That is all I got say.
8 and done what they have done all those 8 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you for your
9 years. 9 testimony.
10 I guess I said all I have to say 10 Now, we have no new witnesses but
11 and thank you very much. 11 there are several that want to retestify
12 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you for your 12 that have currently been sworn in.
13 testimony. 13 I am going to let you do that but
14 Anthony Charles. 14 you are going to be limited.
15 ANTHONY CHARLES, called as a witness, 15 I have not imposed time lengths.
16 having been duly sworn, testified as 16 You will be limited if you have
17 follows: 17 something else to enter into the record
18 MR. CHARLES: May name is Anthony 18 for three minutes.
19 Charles. 19 I will start with Gerald Matthews.
20 I have been a Local 157 member 20 Are you still here?
21 since 1993, 14 years shop steward and 21 MR. MATTHEWS: Yes.
22 again not much of a speaker. 22 THE CHAIRMAN: Keep in mind you
23 This took us by surprise. I, on 23 are all previously sworn in.
24 the other hand, would like to 24 MR. MATTHEWS: Sure.
25 congratulate Mr. Callahan for -- there 25 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very
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2 much. 2 brothers who have given testimony
3 You have been patiently waiting. 3 before.
4 MR. MATTHEWS: I feel during the 4 During this time when there is a
5 supervision we should have Mr. Hanley, 5 possibility of supervision or
6 Mr. DiLacio, Mr. Demorato back. They 6 stewardship and there is not elections
7 should have not lost their jobs. 7 before elections what will our
8 If you were to make a graph like 8 representation be towards the district
9 you showed earlier with Mr. Hanley, 9 council in the general runnings of the
10 Mr. Kennedy of their attendance, if you 10 delegate body which I was previously a
11 were to do it in all the five boroughs I 11 member, the information we would get in
12 am sure that every graph would like the 12 our participation in that body before
13 same as far as attendance and phone 13 that time period?
14 records, whatever. 14 THE CHAIRMAN: You would have to
15 I feel strongly about our leaders 15 bring that up with the supervisor who
16 and stand by them 250 percent. That is 16 would be, Frank, the district vice
17 basically -- I understand that you guys 17 president here.
18 are basically bringing the evidence back 18 MR. IULO: Okay.
19 to Mr. McCarron and Ijust would like to 19 THE CHAIRMAN: He is now
20 add that I think -- 20 currently, and if it continues, will
21 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very 21 currently be the supervisor of that so
22 much. I think you attended every 22 you can talk to him or one of his
23 session and I appreciate that. 23 assistants.
24 You have been very courteous. 24 MR. IULO: All right.
25 That makes me show that you are very 25 Thank you Mr. Chairman.
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2 involved in the union. 2 THE CHAIRMAN: It is up to them.
3 Robert Iulo. You testified, 3 They can appoint them on an
4 Robert. 4 interim basis.
5 You are still under oath. 5 MR. IULO: Continued information.
6 MR. IULO: Thank you, 6 THE CHAIRMAN: That is fine.
7 Mr. Chairman. 7 You have that conversation with
8 What I first want to do is enter 8 the supervisor.
9 into evidence my testimony of this 9 MR. IULO: Thank you.
10 morning. 10 THE CHAIRMAN: Would you like the
11 I want to enter into evidence my 11 original back?
12 testimony of this morning. 12 MR. IULO: No. You can keep that.
13 I have written it out where it can 13 THE CHAIRMAN: James Corrigan.
14 be read. 14 You are still under oath, James.
15 THE CHAIRMAN: Same testimony you 15 MR. CORRIGAN: I understand that.
16 have given. 16 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you for
17 Could you bring it up here and I 17 attending all the sessions.
18 will get copies made and we will enter 18 MR. CORRIGAN: Thank you for
19 this in as Exhibit Number 8. 19 allowing me to speak again.
20 (Testimony of Robert Iulo was 20 Sitting in this room I don't know,
21 marked Exhibit 8 for identification) 21 it is kind of hard to not feel the sense
22 THE CHAIRMAN: Do you have 22 of family and brotherhood here.
23 something further to add? 23 Initially, when I wanted to stand
24 MR. IULO: Yes. 24 up and speak for a second time I may not
25 It has been touched on by two 25 have been taken truly as a brother here.
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2 I don't know that I want to do 2 MR. CORRIGAN: Thank you very much
3 that. I will say this.
3 for allowing me a second opportunity.
4 I would hope that we don't make 4 THE CHAIRMAN: Andrew Pickens.
5 the same mistakes our founding fathers 5 You have been previously sworn in.
6 did when they shunned PJ. McGuire. Do 6 MR. PICKENS: Yes.
7 not shun these men. 7 Actually my comment is to confer
8 I would think that anybody who 8 what the gentleman who just spoke.
9 owns a business would much rather have 9 What you have today representing
10 two cracker jack carpenters than two 10 our local is less than 1 percent of the
11 guys who come in and know how to talk a 11 membership.
12 good game but don't know how to produce 12 What you have represented here
13 at the end of the day and that you can't 13 today is a nice turn out but still it is
14 get touch with at the night. 14 a representative of less than 1 percent
15 The gentleman who run this local 15 of the true membership.
16 however, appointed by our district 16 For you to actually get a full
17 council, served the membership welL. 17 clear picture of the charges as far as
18 I am sure if you were to give us 18 local being mismanaged I think you would
19 even the opportunity at an up or down 19 get a clearer picture if you was to have
20 vote as to whether to reinstate them or 20 some type of mail-out survey to the
21 move forward with new leadership I think 21 members to find out what is dissertated
22 at least 66 percent of the membership, 22 here.
23 if not more, would vote to have these 23 If people do feel this is the case
24 men reinstated. 24 I am sure you would find evidence
25 I have devoted two workdays to 25 amongst the rank and fie members.
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2 this because I feel this local and the 2 It does wreak of suspicion to some
3 men who run it and represent us, that is 3 degree even though maybe some things may
4 the least I could do for them. 4 not but still if it is your power I
5 I have seen this all day as you 5 think it would be in the best interests
6 have too. 6 of your report that you send it out with
7 I can't dispute that 7 a clear message from the membership.
8 confidentiality clause. I respect both 8 The only way you can really truly
9 Mr. Forde and Mr. Kennedy for not 9 do that is maybe perhaps a surveyor
10 disclosing it. 10 something.
11 Mr. Callahan has subpoena power. 11 That is all I have to say.
12 Maybe we can get that opened up 12 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you for your
13 for you because I would like to know 13 comment.
14 what is in that. 14 Thank you for coming to the
15 I think that this is done at a 15 hearing too.
16 very bad time. Maybe it is just my 16 George, do you want to re-testify
17 paranoid nature but it seems that maybe 17 for a moment.
18 our incumbent EST and his cronies are 18 MR. DiLACIO: Thank you,
19 trying to eliminate competition. 19 Mr. Chairman.
20 Some years back I had to file 20 I just want to make a record when
21 charges through the NLRB. That is a 21 you asked me about the 64 times I think
22 matter of public record. You can look 22 it was 64 times that I left early,
23 there. That is all I have to say. 23 whatever number it was, that, yes, it
24 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much 24 could be maybe explained if I had my
25 for attending all the sessions too. 25 records to defend myself.
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2 That is all I wanted to add to the 2 sessions starting early this morning.
3 minutes. 3 Some of you have been here for all
4 If it does come up and I get the 4 sessions.
5 opportunity to do that maybe I could 5 I want to thank you all for
6 help in the situation. 6 coming, taking time either off work or
7 THE CHAIRMAN: I would suggest 7 time out of your busy holiday schedules
8 that maybe you have a visit with Frank 8 to be here.
9 Spencer, the supervisor here, and have a 9 As I had indicated before, so that
10 sit down with him. 10 there is no misunderstanding, after I
11 MR. DiLACIO: I would love to do 11 close this hearing we are going to get
12 that. 12 an expedited copy of the transcript
13 THE CHAIRMAN: I am sure Mr. 13 which is everyhing that was said in all
14 Spencer would love to talk you. 14 three sessions of this hearing.
15 Thank you for attending the 15 All of the evidence that was
16 sessions. 16 entered into, for those of you who
17 MR. DiLACIO: I would have been 17 appeared this morning, there is books of
18 here this morning. 18 it.
19 THE CHAIRMAN: You were here for 19 Once we get that information the
20 long periods of time. 20 three panel members will set and confer.
21 MR. DiLACIO: My daughter fell 21 We will then make a recommendation
22 last night. 22 and report our findings to the general
23 THE CHAIRMAN: Fred Kennedy, you 23 executive board of which I am a member
24 have a couple of minutes. 24 but will abstain from the voting process
25 Remember, Fred, you are still 25 because I am on a panel and I chair a
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2 under oath. 2 panel that will be making a
3 MR. KENNEDY: Yes, sir. 3 recommendation.
4 I will be real brief. I want for 4 I want you to all understand, so
5 the record that quite a few other 5 the remaining general officers and
6 carpenters showed up from several locals 6 general vice presidents will and Frank
7 that tried to come in here to make 7 will abstain from voting in this process
8 statements in reference to Local lS7's 8 because he is intimately involved as the
9 operation and how they wanted to come in 9 supervisor.
10 and testify in our behalf. 10 We take our jobs very seriously.
11 I know for sure a couple of 11 They will review what we give
12 contractors also showed up because I got 12 them. We will make a recommendation.
13 the phone calls. 13 I can't tell you what it is today
14 Since they gave up their union 14 because I haven't been able to ponder
15 cards they were not allowed to come in. 15 all of this written evidence and I want
16 There was at least half a dozen 16 to go through the transcript again and
17 companies that showed up here to testify 17 read all of this testimony again.
18 on our behalf. 18 At that time a decision will be
19 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. 19 made by the general executive board
20 Unless you are a member, members 20 under the signature of the general
21 could come in but they couldn't testify 21 president whether or not to continue in
22 unless they were members of the 157. 22 supervision or whether we relieve the
23 I want to thank you alL. It has 23 supervision.
24 been an emotional hearing. We have had 24 I want to make one thing clear
25 testimony given in three different 25 again for those of you who may have come
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2 in late.
2 lot longer than that and I have been a
3 Business agents or the retention 3 full time representative of this
4 or non-retention of agents has nothing 4 organization going on my 39th year so I
5 to do with the internationaL. That is a 5 have been around the block in one
6 district council function. 6 capacity or another.
7 So let there be no 7 I am the oldest serving full time
8 misunderstanding. 8 representative of the United Brotherhood
9 I know that whatever comes out of 9 of Carpenters. I am proud of that.
10 this from the international, I am sure 10 It is not like I come in on a
11 there will be nothing in there as to 11 pumpkin truck, nor these gentlemen here.
12 whether a business agent is going to be 12 I worked with Bill for years and years.
13 rehired or not rehired because that is 13 He runs a large counciL.
14 not a function of us running business 14 Jack Simmons at one time ran a
15 agents in local unions. 15 large council.
16 Somebody that has resigned an 16 We are all qualified to look at
17 office is not a function of us because 17 this evidence and determine what is in
18 they have resigned, and signed 18 the best interests of this membership
19 confidentiality agreements. 19 and that is what we are going to keep in
20 If somebody was removed from 20 mind, is your best interests.
21 office that could have a bearing on 21 Thank you all and this hearing is
22 whether or not they are reinstated. 22 adjourned.
23 Everybody understands that. 23
24 (Time noted: 8: 15 p.m.)
So I just want to be right up 24
25 front with everybody and let you know 25
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2 what the process from here forward will 2 CERTIFICATE
3 be in terms of determining what happens. 3 STATE OF NEW YORK)
4 We are going to do it in the most : Ss
5 expeditious manner that we possibly can 4 COUNTY OF NEW YORK)
6 to get this thing done but keeping in 5 I, Steven Neil Cohen, a Registered
7 mind we want to lend every opportunity 6 Professional Reporter and Notary Public
8 for us to see this stuff and make sure 7 within and for the State of New York, do
9 the general executive board understands 8 hereby certify: That I am not related to
9 any of the parties to this action by blood
10 what they are seeing when we make a
10 or marriage and that I am in no way
11 recommendation. 11 interested in the outcome of this matter.
12 With that, I thank you very much. 12 In witness whereof, I have
13 I know it is an emotional issue. 13 hereunto set my hand this 19th day of
14 Anytime somebody comes in, change is 14 December 2007.
15 very diffcult. Disruption is even more 15 -------------------------
16 difficult. STEVEN NEIL COHEN, RPR
17 I have chaired these hearings all 16
18 over the United States and Canada for 17
19 years and years and I hear these 18
20 brothers. 19
21 Maybe for a little clarification 20
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22 about my experience, I hear you brothers
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23 that have been in the union for 22 years
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24 and 25 years and 28 years. 24
25 Well, I have been in the union a 25
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3 WITNESS PAGE 3 BRUCE MIRANDA 299
4 FRANK SPENCER 15 4 JAMES CORRADINA 303
5 WILLIAM CALLAHAN 25 5 HERCULES REID 305
6 WILLIAM J. O'FLAHERTY 25 6 KENNY BAUMANN 310
7 BERNARD J. KANE 25 7 DREW LACEY 314
8 MAURICE LEARY 56 8 ERIC MASON 316
9 BILLY WALSH 71 9 PHILP FICARRA 319
10 ROBERT IULO 81 10 JOSEPH FAITH 322
11 JOHN MUSUMECI 86 11 STEPHEN SALVADOR 323
12 GERALD MATTHEWS 97 12 KENNETH BLUHM 328
13 JAMES VIRGA 103 13 ARNOLD BAYLEY 333
14 MITCHELL WOLFE 106 14 KARL MARK SONGUI 336
15 KEVIN SCOTT JONES 117 15 RACHID MOORE 339
16 RICHARD SHEMPER 121 16 VAL RUIZ 341
17 MARTY GOLDEN 124 17 KEITH KNAACK 346
18 GAETANO GIORDANO 130 18 AUSTIN KING 348
19 DESMOND GORDON 133 19 MICHAEL BILELLO 350
20 JOHN GUERRIERO 135 20 ISRAEL FERNANDEZ 353
21 KEITH LERMA YER 149 21 MACDONALD BARNET 356
22 JAMES CORRIGAN 151 22 PAUL SANABRIA 359
23 SCOTT PHILLIPS 162 23 DAVID CIPOLLINA 372
24 CHARLES EGAN 171 24
25 EDDIE HERRERO 173 25
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3 ERIC KELM 178 3
4 GEORGE DILACIO, JR. 179 4 EXHIBITS
5 ARTHUR TERGESEN 196 5 EXHIBIT NO. MARKED
6 ROBERT TOAL 198 6 1 Written Testimony of 15
7 JAMES PERLESS 201 7 Frank Spencer
8 JUSTINE KUHN 203 8
9 ERNEST ERICKSON 209 9 2 Statement of William 27
10 JOHN DIAZ 219 10 Callahan
11 RALPH FIGLIOZZI 222 11
12 JOSEPH BONTEMPS 224 12 3 Visual Exhibit titled 27
13 PAUL GERDES 226 13 William Hanley
14 FRAN K ROCCO 231 14
15 FRED KENNEDY 234 15 4 Transcript of Plea 28
16 MIGUEL CUENCA 247 16
17 LOUIS CACIOPPO 248 17 5 Statement of Maurice 57
18 EMILY HUFFMAN 255 18 Lea ry
19 PATRICK GLYNN 257 19
20 MITCH SONNTAG 259 20 6 Walsh Statement 71
21 JAY VECCHIONE 267 21
22 ANDREW PICKENS 271 22 7 Statement of Gerald 102
23 PATRICK BALLANTINE 276 23 Matthews
24 GLENDY JIMENEZ 278 24
25 STEVEN SPINAZZOLA 292 25 8 Testimony of Robert Iulo 379
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