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JFK ASSASSINATION SYSTEM
IDENTIFICATION FORM
Date : OS /06 / 93
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HSCA
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ORIGINATOR
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DOCUMENT INFORMATION
HSCA
DAVIS, EUGENE
DATE 05/ 18/ 78
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SUBJECTS
DAVIS, EUGENE
SHAW, CLAY
ANDREWS I DEAN
BERTRAND, CLEM
OSWALD, LEE HARVEY, ACTIVITIES OF NOVEMBER 22-24, 1 963, ... ..
. . . ARREST
GILL G. WRAY
DOCUMENT TYPE
CLASSIFICATION
RESTRI CTIONS
CURRENT STATUS
TE OF LAST REVIEW
OPENING CRITERIA
COMMENTS
Box # : 160 .
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[R] - ITEM IS RESTRICTED
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INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW SCHEDULE

1. Identifyin9 Information:
Name Eugene Davis (C.)
Address 522 Dauphine St.
City/State New Orleans La.
Date of Birth 7-8-24
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Date lg, 197g
Place 400 Bourbon St.
Telephone Unlisted
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Social Securit¥ 434-12-1448
Spouse __________________ __
Children
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Physical Description:
Color Eyes Brn Hair Brn
Height 5 '11"
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Special Characteristics ·
Ethnic Group Caucasian
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1. Persona l History:
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Present Employment: (Self) Wanda's Bar
Address 704 Ibervil1e St. N.O.La.
Te l e phone  
b. Criminal Record
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1. Arrests Eight ( 2-City 2- State Misd. 4-Felony )
2. Convictions None
4. Additional Personal Information:
a. Relative (s ): Name
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Address
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b . Area frequented : French Quarter
c . Remarks: r2._

obert c. Buras
Investigator
Date Form #4- B
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SELECT ON ASSASSI NATI ONS
Name Eugene Davis Date 5-18-78
Time 3: PM
Address 522 Daunhine St. Pl a c e 400 Bourbon St.
New Orleans, La.
Intervi e w:
On the above time and date Investigator Robert Buras spoke with
Mr. Davis in the Absinthe Bar located at 400 Bourbon St. Mr.
Davis stated that he became involved in the Kennedy investigation
when Dean Andrews named him (Davis) as the Clem Bertrand that
called the hospital and retained him (Andrews) to represent Lee
Harvey Oswald shortly after his arrest in Dallaa. Mr. Davis stated
that he has never been known as nor does he know of anyone naroed
Clem Bertrand. Jim Garrison named Clay Shaw as Clem Bertrand but
Knew .
Davis stated that he even though Shaw lived across the
street, 509   St., with an elderly lady for many years be-
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fore all this started. Mr. Davis denies that he ever knew Shaw
socially before or after the trial.
Dean Andrews told Davis that he (Andrews) wanted to make
Davis J&mous. In Mr. Davis' opinion Dean Andrews is nuts. One
· time Dean Andrews came to Davis and told him tha t he needed ten
t nousand dollars to put in a bank for a check of some kind. A
credit check or to cover a business bond. Davis withdrew the money
and loaned it to returned
I n terviewer Si gnature
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Typed Signature
Robert Buras
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Date transcri bed
By:
Forrn #4-A
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Page Two Interview with Eugene Davis
Davis sued him and years later when it came up Andrews had had a
bad heart attack and looked so bad that the Judge threw the case out
of court, according to Davis. Davis knew Andrews from the French
Quarter area. He worked in the Court of Two Sisters from approx.
1958-62 and knew the following people that worked there. Harold
and Margaret Tannebaum, Jose "Pepe" Mayoral, Leander D'Avy (vaguely),
Nick Karno the owner and several of the people that lived in the patio
apartments. The people in the apartements that he remembers are:
Senator FNU Albright (deceased), Victor Fleeming and his wife and eon.
These were the only people living there and Nick Karno had an apart-
ment upstairs. Davis never had an apartment or a storeroom that
could be used by anyone to sleep in or cook etc.
Davis stated that Mr. G. Wray Gill his attorney for the tran-
actions on buying his bar, Wanda's. Mr. Davis went to Mr. Gill's
Office many times but never saw any Cubans or any other groups in
the Office.
Mr. Davis stated that he did not know any of the following:
Clay Shaw, Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby, David Ferrie, Jack Martin,
Guy Banister, David Lewis, Layten Martens, Thomas   Mr.
stated that he is well known in the Quarter area and well liked.
He took care of Mrs. Louise Antione of 516 Dauphine St. for over
twenty five years and she left him all of her estate. Davis stated
that Clay Shaw took care of an elderly white haired lady too but
Davis did not know Mr. Shaw or the lady.
End Of Memo
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· ' The National Broadcasting Companw (NBC) carried a · ·•
·. ) one-hour television prograa on the evening" of 6/19/67 which _ .. .
t · exposed the fraudulent nature of Garrison's investigation •. · ·
;: ::· ot ·Jlssassination. · A highlight of the program occurred ·· · -· ., ... _. ·
.: : .. · •• - when narratol' Frank McGee reported ''Clay or Clem BertraDCI . .
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, . is not hi's real name. It is a pseudonya used by a ,.. ...
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ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY
At 4:10 p.m. this BRANI of the Bureau
telephonically advised that Mr JCOSSA rat Asai;stant to :
the Assistant Attorney General Criminal Division, te1e- ·
phonically advised that EUGENE DAVYS' attorney vas also
reported to be the attorney for MARCELLO.
This attorney has in his possession an affidavit
given him by EUGENE DAVIS to the effect that he was recently
interviewed by two Federal Agents and that after the inter-
view one or both of these Agents said, (we) am (are)
convinced he, DAVIS, vas not BERTRAND.•
Bureau desires the two Agents that interviewed
DAVYS be contacted and find out whether they made such a
statement or •• in any way implied at th' conclusion -of
the interview that one or the other or both were
that DAVIS was DUKD:RXRBMXXJO(J not BERTRAND. BRANIGAN
wants this information before 4z30 p.m. New Or!eans time.
l interviewed SAs KENNETH S. OLIVER and JCEVIN J.
HARRIGAN, who conducted interview last week vi th EUGENE
DAVIS pursuant to Bureau instructions. Agents advi .. d
ae that they stuck exactly to the questions outlined by the
Bureau which should be asked DAVIS · and did not deviate the
alightest • .-Both categorically state· that they did not aake
any atatement to the effect that either one ·or the other ·WU
-convinced that DAVIS vas not BERTRAND.· Further, they bad Do
conversation vi th him from which DAVYS could imply auch a
conclusion.
At 4t2S p.m. this date J telephonically adViaed
Mr. BRANIGAN of the results of -r interview vi th t.be tiro
A9ents.

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12/6/63 12/5/63 P• 36 Eva Springer
(Sec'' to D.Andrews)
(a) Andrews called her at 4pm 11/23/63 t     ~ he
was repr. LHO in Dallas & was told that
Bertrand hired hLm.
(b) 11/25/63 Andrews called her to locate any
records on Clay Bertrand but has not been
able to locate this name - he'a unknown to
to her.
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INFORMATION CONTAINED ,
Ol·J 'THIS FORll WAS TJI.l: 51\i-JE   INFOP. :·tATION REGARDING OSWALD
AS OBT/\ItU:n   Al-l [1\f:LJER REVI£ti Of HIS SCHOOL RECORDS IN · .'
m:!:I OP.LLr. ilS A!JD ·ALP.E:\DY n£POP.TEI'. \:ALKEr. STATED THAT ADDITIONAL
IIJFOP.t!.".TlC!J RE';,',P..DHJ; CS_tlt.Lr, SUCH A3 Gr.fittS AND SPECIAL TESTS HE
fll\'i 1ftJ;E!I t·!CULI• Dt A'JAILALLE IN THE P.ECOP.DS OF BEAUREGARD
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tloo lie tunlshocS thla Buref\11• l:r:teus1Ye and thorou&la --:--.fr =r . _·,c..:...·:.
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any record.
Ser&eant DAVIS advised that be recalla in June, 1963, -
exact 4a te unrecalled, ANDREWS die cussed wi tb bi.a the procedure
to aaend or correct an undesirable diachar1e from tbe Marine
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DAVIS advised that be cannot positiYely state that ·. --. :.

LEE HARVEY OSWALD was ever in AJ(DR.ElJS' office, but after viewinc
nuaerous of OSWALD on Y&rious TV programs, can
atate that be 18 V&&UelJ familiar and aay haYe visited ANDREWS'
office. In be can recall AMDREWS aent1on1nc to b1a
on various occasions that an lndiYidual naaed OSWALD bad been
to AKDREWS' office •
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Reporter said that RUSSO ls possibly DOt
telling the truth or ls a very very cautfoua
witness who, unless absolutely sure about
everything he says,will spend quite a blt
of time qualifying Hmself. Be does tend
to ramble on in his testimony but this
•ight be his demeanor. Be sometimes doesn't
answer questions directly. RUSSO said he
saw SHAW once before at the speech when
vas dedicating the Rashville Ave.
Wharf in 1961 or 1962. Be saw SHAW at the
back of a group there, that SHAW stood out
to him because he vas the only one
watching the president. Be testified that
he thought he was a Secret Service agent
and mentioned to his friend that the guy
must be a secret service agent because be
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was the only one not looking at the
president.
DEAN ANDREWS, JR. testified before Grand
Jury this morning and departed after about
one hour testimony, he talked to newsmen aa
he went out. 'rhey asked if it vas true
that he was relieved of duties as Assistant
District Attorney of Jefferson Parish and
he said they would have to talk to his
boas, FRANJC LANG IDGE. In contact with
LANGRI 1 he uld not confixm or
deny that ANDREWS had been fired, be st.ply
said the duties of Mr. ANDREWS would be
handled by someone else.
t laOO p.a. Dew
will testify in Grand Jury. otJUlbow
be fits into the case.
Representative of both DA's Office and SHAW's
attorneys to sit vlh the three judges in
chambers to find out about the time element.
Mentioned possibility of night sessions.
onless aosso re utiates great part of
testi.mony, the ment be identified ClAY
SHAW as ER D the aan be aav at
PERJUE 's apn:aen they proved probable
cause and that th • vas aufficient for t:.be
DA, if be wanted to, to go trial.

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The purpose of this memorandum ls to set fortb ·
the I received from United States : . .
LOUIS C. LaCOUR, and his assistants, JOHN C. CIOLINO anct : . ..., · . . ·
FRITZ VETEHS, concerning ay testimony before the Orleans ·:: ·· ··., . ..
Parish Grand Jury inquiry into District Attorney JII . .
GARRISON's investigation of parties involved in the " . .:·
conspiracy to assassinate President KENNEDY. Io tbie . :.<: . ·._. .··
I am setting forth to the best of ay recol- ' .
lectlon the general areas of questions put to durioc · . . · -,..
11y appearances before the Grand Jury by District Attorney · · · ·
GARRISON a _od bis assistants, JAlrEyALCOCK,   .·
and ALVIN"OSER. '
United States Attorney LaCOUR initially iostruc-·
ted 11e, .after I was subpoenaed, to invoke the privilege " "' ·
on all questions put to me and to only answer as to , . •·
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name, the fact that I am ao agent and assigned to the · '
New Orleans Office of the FBI.
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On tbe date of tbe receipt of the subpoena aod =-·· " . ·.
until May 17, 1967, and at the hearing before Judge .: . . . · · ·
BERNAkD J. BAGERT of the Criminal District Court of - -· ·:
Orleans Parish, Mew Orleans, Louisiana, I stood mute : .. · .... ·: ·.: · :• .·
at all proceedings relating to this matter pursuant to
instructions ot the United States Attorne7.
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11ent 's motion to quash the subpoena was denied and prior L . . : : ··
to 111 appearance before the Orleans Parish Grand JurJ, ·_: . .- : .
Assistant United States Attorneys CIOLINO and VETERS .. .
tempered LaCOUR's to the extent that •
would be necessary for me to Justify invoking the prlvl- _ :: : .
lege as it would be subject to Judicial review. TheJ "..- . ;.: ...
told me to use my owo in invoking the - ; ..
lege and tbat I should answer questions of my owo personal ··_-."-
knowledge, and if I was in doubt on any question 1 could
come out and ask them about lt.
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Along these lines in discussing with CIOLINO · ,··. .. .
and VETERS as to what questions should and should not be .· . ·:· · ·
nswered by me, I bad anticipated that District Attoroe7 ·
GARRISON might possibl ask
n ovem er , 1963, in United States .
Distfict Court (during trial of CARLOS MARCELLO on Fraud
Against the Government charges). They indicated to ••
tbat I should answer ln the affirmative as this was a
matter of my ova personal knowledge because FERRIE was,
in t 1o the o tbat date •

· I• went before the Grand Jury at approxlmatel7 . . .
4 :so PM. In tbe Grand Jury room, along wi tb tbe Jurora ·--= :- · ·: ...
were GARRISON and his three assistants mentioned above.
GARRISON asked most of the questions. During the first
balf of the interrogation GARRISON prefaced each questiOD
with a "speech" stating as declarations of fact that ·
OSWALD was an employee of the CIA and was associated wltb · .
the Cubans io the New Orleans area and did I know this. - · · ·
1 felt that all of GARRISON's statements of alleged fact · :
prefacing his questions put to me before the Grand Jur7 . _.
were self-serving. · · . . _ . , ... _ ..
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In regard to the above question relating to ·
OSWALD's association with Cubans 1n the New Orleans area
· and LEE HARVEY OSWALD's employment by the CIA, I bad DO · · ··: :..
knowledge concerning this aatter and replied that I did not"' _; !·
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a heavy set Cuban who was "Shepherding" OSU'ALD around New ·
Orleans propounded to ae by District Attorney GARRISOM .
tn the same aanoer. 1 bad DO knowledge of any such individual
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· · · · ··· ·· After the first two or three questions, GARRISON . .'-..
asked me whether the files of tho FBI contained in!ormatioa ·.:.·:.··:.--.- .. ·
concerning OSWALD's Mexican activities. At \his point 1 '- ··
invoked the privilege and read to GARRISON and the Juror.a :: ·: -
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tbe ins truct1ons I recel ved from tho At torncy General. . · .. ·
Throughout my appearance before the Jurf, whenever a qucstioa :. =
was asked concerning what our files showed or •hat 1 did . . _. · · ·
1n an investigative capacity, I invoked the privilege la · _·x:
each instance. · .. .. ... • .
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District Attorney GARRISON asked a series of ·····;::·_::: .·-,. .•
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questions regarding the identity of the names-I estimate
to cumber approximatE! y twenty from a list in his possession- ·-. .._. -
and asked if I knew these individuals. The names seemed to
be Cuban or Spanish names and ootbing whatsoever to
me aod I replied that I did not know any of these individuals.··. -·
From the very inception of my appearance and interspersed .. ·.
throughout, District Attorney GARRISON propounded numerous _.-. : . _..._: .
questions to me concerning my knowledge of the rclatioosblp
between CLAY SHAW and LEE HARVEY OSWALD. Whenever the
questions involved my personal knowledge I answered the
question I do not know. However, when the question related
to official records or investigative operations I invoked
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greatest importance, which was referred to¢: several occa- · ··
sloes during the course of my appearance wa what · ·
tion was conducted by the FBI to clear CLA in the •
assassination of President KENNEDY. During these questions,
GARRISON and members of his staff referred a number of times
to the Attorney General's statement in this regard. On one
occasion Assistant Di ALCOCK save a long dis-
sertation on Attoroe tatement
quoted in the ead from article
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tion regarding investigation conducted to clear CLAY SHAW, 1 ·
invoked the privilege. In regard to tbe New York Times article ·
1 answered I did not know anytblng about it. At some time · .__. .
during the questioning,

was asked by DJs trict Attorne7 .. '·
GARRISON if I knew CLAYJt3ERTRAND to which I answered no. ·. · ..:-· ·
Additional questions were asked of me by GARRISON lovolvlog'- · · · _
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and I invoked the privilege oo each occasioa. . . , .· , .... , .,. ·: · · .. :·

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A number of questions yere asked regarding a7 ... ·-:. ...
knowledge of the actions of tho· Fair Play for Cuba Committee .... ..
and of DAVID FERRIE's connection with _thls group. I answered r
these I do DOt know. I vas also asked whether .- _ .
I knew and J replied that J had seea .::··:-; ..... :·
ARCACHA but was Dot acquainted with bia. , ·' . .· .. · _ . . · ·• · :
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District Attorney GARRISON asked a series of . : ··:, · .. ,·: •'
questions regarding the seizure of explosives across Lake -·:-. -. .
Pontchartraln in the Slidell area and a series of questiooa .... : ...
regarding alleced training camps for Cubans in that general ·
area. I advised tho Jury that I vas not familiar witb ·· ::-. •
either of these matters. The questions regarding the
above two matters appeared to 11e to be designed to develop · --.. ·
information regarding Government policy relating to CUbana ·
as well as the reason why the individuals involved were -·
not prosecuted. .. r .
I was also asked if I had any knowledge of the
burglary of anmuni t1on bunker at Houma, Louisiana, to wblcla ·.
I replied I did not kDow. •

asked if I knew w. GUY
, and I told him yes. He then asked if I had ever
sited BANNISTER's office and the identity of anyone I
observed there. I answered that I bad been in GUY •
office and only person I could recall observing while
there was and two women, whose names I  
recall. I was also asked of my knowledge of onsblp
between BANNISTER, ARCACHA SMITH an answered that
I did not know.
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my appearance were inter-
spersed involving my kno\\·ledgo of the purpose of bla .
visit to New and wbotber J had any knowledge of the
identity of persons contacted in New Orleans. I answered
the questions of my own personal knowledge that I did not know.
Questions along these lines "·bleb involved the records of the
Government, I the pl' ivilege.
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GARRISON then asked a series of other questions - . . '·: ·
as to my interviews with FERRIE and each time 1 invoked . .. -.
the privilege. .,. . . __ .' ·· .:.. ·.
At one point, GARRISON asked a number
about my knowledge of the buying of equipment, such a• . _
trucks and other items, by the Cubans in New Orleans, to · .
which 1 re lied t ld no kn · ..
/A series of questions were asked
WAYNE/6ALZELL aod if I was familiar with bim.
ledged that I knew hi•. The question was then
whether I had any information of DALZELL being
A aod I answered I did not know.
I was then asked if records ot the FBI con-
tained any concerning the identity of the . .
organizers of the.Aree Voice of Latin America aod I Invoked · ...
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I was asked a series of· questions concerning Special ·.· ..
Agent WARREN C/CJeBRUEYS. I was asked if I knew bill and I .
replied yes. I was asked if be was still an FBI Agent and
I replied yes. 1 was asked if bo was in New Orlnns OD
November 22, 1963 and 1 replied I did not
where be is now located and 1 replied washington,   _ . •
Pr1or t o my the Grand Jury, was advised
by AUSA VETERS that District Attorney GARRISON knew that SA
dcBRUEYS was in Washington, D.C. and I did not feel that
this was a disclosure of any information not already knowa __ ..
by GARRISON. GARRISON, in bls comments to the Grand Jury,
indicated that be bad knowledge of the fact that SA dcBRUEYS '
handled security matters while in New Orleans and asked ror ·.
the identity of Agents working security matters. I replied . . ·
that the only ono I could recall was SA .. deBRUEYS. . . • ·· . ..... _, "- ·
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was oo continuity ln the sequence
of questions or subject matter. Many of the questions
were phrased as statements of alleged fact designed to
elicit an agreement froa ae to the facts as stated by bla.   ·   ~   · :-.--· ·:·
GARRISON got no such agreement fro• ••. -. ·· · : ··.tc-: .
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SAIC - New Orleans
Lee Harvey Oswald
Reference is made
to interview
refer· Hr.
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to nzy- t;tell!ora.ndu.l'tl dated Fobrua.cy 20, 1967, concerning cffo!"ts
Dean Adams J d the to
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of President Kennedy.
On }!arch 29, 1967, Hr. Andrews telephoned this o.ff'ice requesting an illtervie;.r
with an agent.
In my absence, ASAIC Short discus ::Jed this natter by telephone with Assista:.'17-
Director Kelley nnd was advised to notify the local office of tha Federal Bur-
eau of and whether, for they desired to
have Hr: Andrews intervielred.
SA Art \'Tall, i."'l the absence of SAIC ·ru.ghteyer; FBI, New Orleans, 't.-1?.3 f\'..r:!ished
with this inforr;-.ation and he advised they Here not conductL.'"lg e>.ny investigat.i?n
and lotould have no interest in an interview 11lth Hr. \
On March 30., 1967, in a telephone bDtween ASAIC Snort and Hr.

it Has de cided that no effort \'I'Otud be r..ade to intervim.; Andre;,-1 s , ho:;aver, if he l
desired to cone into the office a record wo"..lld b e made of any inforr-"<1.tic:.
wished to fu..""nish. Hr. Andrews 1-,-as intervie:-1ed by telephone and he said he ;.rc?.s J
going to \·Tashington, D. C • ., on Harch .31, 1967, and \iOuld it i.f he 5
could be furnished Inspector John Rice 's telephone to S<>::J
whether he had any information of value concel'T'.ing the a s::Jassinat ion and stated
that he only '\>Ja.l.ted the ".field notes " <:f the   T.!ade by this Ser-.rice
at tha time of the assassination. He stated that h 3 f elt this nLtght b e of value
if he l'<'aS tried on the state p erjury case p ending against him. He i..'1dic at.ed r
that Orleans Parish Garris on was trying to get h:L-n to identify De.fcn- t=
dant Clay Shaw as a r-a.1. kno:m as Clay Bertr and., and also identify .2.n U.'ldi s clo:>ed .
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This information 'rras furnished to Assi s t a.:;t Di r ector Kelley v1ho ad-vised that
Hice W2.3 presently OUt of t he ar'<}a c:Uld '.iOuld not be back 0 :1.
l kU'ch 31. Hr. Kelley a l so ad·.rised tha t th::J investigation ;.;oul d be
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available in tha National Archives and Hr. AndreHs could obtain the necessar:r
in£ ormation from that source.
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This same date Hr. Andrews was fUrnished the information concerning lns;>ector· ··
Rice and the availability of tpe inforr.ation through the National  
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This is to cor...firm FTS phone conf"erenca of" February 17, "1?67
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you_, NlD Peterson, and the ·.-ll'it-er the present
in the case by tha Orleans P<!.rish District
1\ttorney, 0:::-le.:t_-;s, louisiana. ATD Pot;;lrson that all .
articles   LTl Neil" in this be tr.:>.nscitted for :
h:l.s -po:}rsonal ::ltt;mtion. . ·
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The articles appear'!_ng in the Times-Picayune tho  
Statcs-Itc.."J. for February 17 through 20, 1967, ar3 attached lrl.th cow
of thi3 directed to ATD Peterson • . : ·
Several ot'" the articles h!ake of David :·1. Ferrie ".·rho has been
by Di3trict .t..ttorn:.y' s=tlti idP. . l'or yOUl' lflfox ;J3tions
  Ferrie -..ros the subject. of a report sub.nitted by S1\. Anthony :E.
Gerr?t s, l!tL·f C'.t'Ieans dnt ed Dece.:-:lb::!r 13, • 1<)63.
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Fo1:.- your f'urther information,   Ferrie contacted the Orleans
on Deceuber 16 1 66 m .tffvis-3 th:xt he hid ocwn ouhoo·3:n:l.e:.'d
appear e.!. ore the Orleans Parish Grand Jury at 9 :JO A. :t. previous
day, 15, 1966. stated the s ubpoena did not state the .
nat1.u-a of case for which he ·lias bein.5 and on his arrival
at the P<:Lrish Court P.ouse, he '..;as <}Scorted to the office of
Assistant District uhere h'3 -:.·sas intcrvic;·red by anothe:;:
Assistant District Attorney by the nar:.e of Volz.. Ib said he did 11ot
appear before a Grand Jm--y. He said he uas r.dvisad th:1t h::!.d been
going th..T'Ou.t;h the Om1c1ld file ber::ause o.f. recent ne;·rspapar itc:ns and
£ound their investigation to be partly because of th3
of n statement froa "Ferrie. He stated questioned
hi..:-:1. Lll t d etail r eg:1.rding the t?. t·br but he could add nothlro..g t o
the in.fo!"Dation he previ?usly Hlri..ch is r 1.1flectcd in this .file •
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20, 1967
You that in vic'.'f of the the i.ntervie"'{ \o,'ith
Andre;..;3 ::.bould not bo co:1ducted and if he contacts this office htl
should advised to fm:-nish any he has to the rederai
Eureau of Inv3stigation. As of this time, 3:40 P. H • ., February 20, .- .#
1967, he n.:.cia no ccnt.:lct th this offic·e.. , , ..

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additiqnu that appear i.."l tha loc:U press ui]J. oo transtrl.tted
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C0-2-34,030
J.D Kelley
SA!C Ne,., Orleans
Lee Harvey Oswald Information .furnished by Attorney Dean Andre1-1s
> Jr.# Ne';i' Orleans
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. This is to confirm. long distance call received .from Inspector John l'i.
Rice on December 14, '1966, advising of a call received at his home at _
appro.x:imately 5 P. December 1.3, 1966, from Ne,., Orleans Attorney
Dean Ada.'ns Andre"irs, Jr., previously interviewed in this case, subject
of report da ted DecemBer 6, 1963, by Hr. Rice who l·tas then Special Agent
in Charge of the New Orleans Office. Inspector Rice stated that Hr.
Andrews claimed to have some neii information to indicate that OsHald
had acted as an agent 'for someone else and ate. ted he ''is no1-r 40% sure
that he knows the identity of the · person who "'as responsible for
.Oswald killing President Kennedy
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Inspector Rice stated he had discussed this matter with you and that
you desired r eport in the case be · forll'la.rded for attention and
then to the Intelligence Division.
Several _attempts Here made last -r;eek .to reach Attorney Andrews but
he was not available at his office. We -succeeded in reaching him at
his home today and found that he is ill. He Has not overly cooperative
and requested that interview l"lith him be deferred until a later date.
Report will be submitted l·Then the intervievr can be completed.
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O !._0 .OPERATOR {'lay is an alias "The lllw gran_ls l}im .this
Olil\ tJc' · \ •t---.,ioiiai'"'.b Garrison has accused tt>orit\·, and he as ustnl! Ji. v;c
Clay L. Shaw, charged with arp   glad to
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JI;,S DENIAL ('OD.ipiracy in the death .r with the dio;trict attorney af hiS
Prtsidtnt John F. KeDDedy, moliVP!i ar" constructive. and
•f asing. we won't know that until we've
D · Sa H N Andrews • ·as previously in-.talked to him,'' Kohn said.
avaa ys e eve dieted for perjury after testify- Kohn his conversation
Was Bertrand 1 t . ing that he could neither be v.-a!' "formal" rather than "ami-,
sure that Shaw and the man he cable." and that he will not
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By BOB USSERY .· knew _!s were on Its content
The man whom Dean ATAA- ume. nor that they were dif· repoM:ing to the MCC executive
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rney am ' ce politan Crime Commission of ;s ,
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an assa• •ng
Thursday and denied that he 1'\ew Orleans. was i:lside Garri- allegations. enoJ slat
is 86trand in an affidavit no- son's room awaiting his '"1: tbat K\'Cr called An-
tarized by one ol Garrison's nn<m m _the.districl drews about deleadiag Lee
sistants and llitnessed by two llllornt'y s o(flce. or- Han·ty Oswald.
oth isla . dered by one of Garnson s sub- It said · i
er ass ... ..'!!Y:: __ . penas. "The statements b\' At-
Eugene a Kahn and E. C. Upton Jr., tomcy Dean A. Andrews identi- :
Quarter bar _operator _ •·bo tes- president. requested Lou- lying me as Clay Bertrand arc:
lified before abe Orleans Par· i!'ialla _ J a c k utterly and completely false and
ish Grand Jary WedDesday . . P. F .. C.r_emlllron to mrllale an malicious and damnable. They;
appeared eatside the _of

"6:e Justifica.!ion.,
doo .r G · . , (. agiWl Garnson s mvcstigatJon. This aff1dav1t 1s bemg mace to
nom • r . BrrlSOD ' e -' .., KOHl'\ QUESTIONED 1 set the record straight to show
B_ce Wlt_h llis aUonley, G. . Kr.l:-:1 entered the wailing . that Dean has known!
M G1U, .-bn out ror•m at one minute before noon . . me for a long trme arrd knows ,
c:-opru of the alf1dav•t short- but h:>d to " ·ail for one-half lhaf I haH nevrr been known
It' alter poon. hour b:?fore be caiiPd into by t?e name of Clay Bertrand.
'iJll, • ·ho did the talking for the inner orliccs by chief inves- · to h1m or any othc: person. l •
said his client "is ap- tig;:,tcr Louis lvon. want to state unequn·ocally for
parently the man·· the Nation- L'
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a roa castmg Companv Jden· h. . . d ... • u!>c til t! namr o a} cr ran
rr cd a Cl . B t .d b t · 1$ conslstc mter- nor have I called Dean Andrews
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s a) er ran • 11 1 rogatiOn by Mr Garmon Mr ·
!'aid emphatically that Davis .cJ L
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'";s not Clay Bertrand and has ( d V l · an AI of Lee Han·cy Oswald. ·
not as Clay

The affidavit notari1.cd
NBC, .'" ,a program who have been active 1 by Assistant Attorney
Garnson s Kennedy assass1- · · I John P. Vol1. allj w1tnessed b\·
nation investigation. said it had, in Garrison's investigation. ! assistants Burnes and
identity of a man who used! The purpose or his subpena' J . Sciambra. Gill said he ap·
lOt nan:e Clay Bertrand was to answer questions in

hi s client's signing or it
turned 1t over to the Justiee' dJstrict attornev's "investiga- CAlL AlLEGED
Department I . . · . Andrews tor.! the Warren
VISITED BY lion_ of allegatJOns .• or Commission that a Clay Bcr·
- Gill also reiterated part of' or .•.llegal conduct. Kohn said. !I rand called him shortly -after
his client's affidavit which saidl I was _very to llhe assassination with regard to
that two Federal Bureau of Jn- Mr. C?arrJson sm_ce he baso t representing Oswald berore Os-
vestigalion agents investigated !"'e to '? more w:.ld was shot to death by Jack
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Da\·is' aC!idavil said: "·as_ present wheo Kobn Howr.ver. he didcntit pob"ticly
"As a result of these false al- before t.!le crand - --- .. - · - --
lej!ations by Dun Andrews.
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Jury Wednesday.
  conlacled by two federal ! In re!>ponse to a question be-·
olfflcers within the last several fore entering Garrison's office
rlays and I have fully cooperal- Kohn S<lid hi' did nol think of
rd with them aDd was given!Garrison's subpena 'iis -*'fllir"or
lhe assurance by one fll or!aflf-air."
ricers that after they had inves-
tigated into the matter. they felt
assured that the identification
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Cla\' Shaw y,·as indicted aud ·
the course of the coo· .
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not met Shal\ ; and he pointed ·
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tesUfyin& under oath to atate-
menls he .. well knew
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which wert related
len . • • ander tnvesliJiliOD.
IG wll: a conspiracy '! IDIIr·
4ler John F. Jtenoedy.
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ANDREWS SAID Walll'l
aurprised by the tndtctment.
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Tbe rolypoly .Uorney -
wuriDI CliSsel IS }!.
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free_
On Bond After
lndicfmenl
ron the lfand jury for the"
second lime yesterday
lng to testify liD the IJSIJii- .
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erand jury retunwd lhe
Indictment to Criminal .ludp
Thoma' M. Brahney .lr.
I p.m. Andre"l· ap:of!lpanied .
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Parilb J'pil- at t:e p.m.
•Dd •a• bookedoo the perJO-
oeaa AncfmrJ, the ,., charce. Bond wu fur-
biking lawyer who told the nished b)' hmmJt Fide11t7
Warren Commlulon Lee Har· aDd Suret7 C.. ·
vey Oswald risi!.ed his oCfice • · ·
several times In 1963, was : . ASKED IF HE bad made
free under $1,000 bond loday any false statements, Andrews
artu belng Indicted for aJ. repUed: .. Absolutely DOL · J
leied petjUI'}'. &uUfied u I could to the bat
The Orleans 'firWJ Grand fll my knowledce. Appareat.-
'Jury returned &he Indictment ]J &bert II a conflict Gl opiD-
cNrJin& that An- jon h 1o wMl I &esWied
drtws lutlfJed ''falsely under 8boul"
»lh" Jn the probe or an aJ. . . He .1Jc1 be bad "'no tnowJ.
lt&ecf conspiracy to murder edle.. d an aUececl pJot
President .lohn F. Kennedy. Jllt.checl Jn New OrJeana ..
1be indictment came 11 a .-naninale the President.
'.hree-Judge criminal distrid • -a'b7 were you brou&hl JDio
:ourt panel wound up l be JnvesU&aUoa! .. aa Jnts'•
hird day of • prlliminal'1 ukecl .
whicll wDJ decide II • • · ·
>isl.rict Attorney .Jim Gani- ! A GOOD Cl'lelo
1011 has enough evidence lo taon." M aaicl. ..
10Jd Clay Shaw far trial • 'Chty 1Hm 1o reel that I lsate
conspiracy dwJ&. . !a ke, &hal CaD
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r c.w ""t: r:1r1Mif&.WI Jocu are."
ndictment, Andrewa wu lUI-· : • Besides lellinJ the Wanw
fro mhll post .. an that OswaJcS taml
'•ssistant .leOerson Parish d' :ao au. New Orluns Jaw olDCII
rid attorney. Frank tan- :.everal Urnes, telti-
:rkSJe, &he dwict aUorneJ, lfiecl that riJhl afLer Che •
Andrews .,_,.d brouiht rf'Celved
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!CIJy Bertrand Js an alias used ,
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•wald an David W. Fmie, who
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!kJ II the Praldenl
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!CommJssion he d.ldn't beUett
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Discharg·cd I3y T ouro ;
U.S. V/arrant Ser ved
Silvestro "Silver Dollar S<.im' '
C:Jrollo was discharged frr. m
Touro Infirmary Friday n!t;ht
hours after a federal
for hi5 arrest was on
him tlt the hospital and SSOOO
bond had been pos:ed in his
behalf.
Carollo, 11·ho had brcn under
trentmcul for 11 hnl 11:1s cie-
scrihcd as a so:rious heart
coudition. was rckascd from
the about 9::;o p.m.
A Federal Grand Jurv is
probing his alleged il!egai re-
entry into the united
The 74-year-old alien is re·
puted to once ha\·e been a
Mafia leader in 1\'ew Orleans.
:\lOVE A:\T!Cl PAT£D
Earlier Friday, C;.rol!o 's at-
torney,
said Carollo '.·. oti,J 'be mm·cd
over the weekend to either a
cardiac convalescent home or
to the home of his daughter,
Mrs. SJ.rah :'llisuraca.
Contacted late f nday night,
Andrews said he was unaware
that Carollo had left the hG:>pi-
tal. "This comes as a surprise
to me," he said. "The last time
I checked with the -
about 5:30- he was still.tbe:re."
Carollo's whcrcJuout after
leaviug the hospit:JI were not
known. Andrc\YS said he did
not know where Carollo went.
A hospital spokesrMn de·
scribed Carollo's condition " re-
markably imprO\·ed. He has
made considerable progress this
week."
LEAVES IN SECRECY
Carollo's departure from the
hospital was shrouded in
secrecy.
FBI agents were in and out of
the hospital t!u·oughout the day
Friday. .
A $25,000 surety bond
vustrd fvr C'ar o!lo after the
' varrant Fridav
artcrnoon by Ger:1!d J. H; .
bert, rcprcscntin;: the All e-
gheny Cn.< u:l lty Co.
U.S. • lngud 0.
J ohannesen accompanied a der-
uty U.S.   to the hosp1tal
to serve the warrnnt.
Carollo ll':lS fou nd ir. Tou-
ro's intcnsl\'c t·are sct:tion Feb.
21. <Jnd was illdi::;rct Ci • a1•o
Cor pn•. <' ncc in the l'nt.l-
cd lie: w;1 ' dr- por:r-tf to
It aly in I!J!7 :!lrd :1:: .. 111 111 10:.1.
t\l tit" lili h' 11 l: \',;Ls 1!1di ttLd
government attornC:\'S cid O'J{
ask for his immediat'c .?.rrest te-
causc of his serious cc;:c:::o!"!
but Friday assisl<!nt u.S.
Julian R. :\ fu rray Jr., said t!:1t
Carollo's condit ion is much im-
proved.
. The f e d e r a I grand jt.:ry
whtch bcrran an im·est!:<atior,
Thursd:1y wltich U.S . . -\ t:·,·: Ger-
ald J. Gallinghouse said ·is crn-
tcred around thr- ci rcumstc::-:ces
under which Carollo sr.eaked
back into the countrv. hear d L! ·
more wi:nesscs Friday
Gallinghcuse has dso ce-
the im·es<igar:o:J / as
bemg atmed at orga:: ized ilfi!r.e
in the .\'ew Orlear.s c.rea.
The grand jury has been di-
rected to resume the orc:Je
!Tuesday at 10 a.m. •
I MARCELLO HEARD
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Among the w tr.esses ca::.:d
. Friday 1\ ere Jo ph .\lc: rcei!c.
'son of r:Jckets figure Cc: r!os

and Pe r and .-\;;:ho-
ny brot ers of Carlos.
Carlos .io was
jury for hou:s ·.1·hen :he
1p1obe oper.cd 1nur.;ca·:.
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Friday were St!'fa nn ·
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and his sister, Concetta ,
gio. Luigi Santori. a brothe;_ ·
in-law of tlte ::od :
Charles Pzrrincllo, -all of De- .
troit. i
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ver Dollar Sam ·s·• two S')ns. \E-
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and her husband. \'ic-.
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as not been reveaied
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why the witnesses from Detroit ;
were called but it has be£n re- j
porter! that Carollo re enle:-ed :
the country at Detroit. 1
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April 4 1 1 967
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WILLIAN GURVICH
SPECIAL AIDE
- INTERVIEW 3/2/6 7
On 5:56 P.M., ·2 March 1 967 1 DEAN ANDREWS,
accompanied by his attorney Sam Ze l den
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\vas interviewed in the
Office of the District Attorney, Parish of Orleans , by Ass i stant
District Attorneys James Richard Burnes , .. .., Sciambra
and Special Aide William Gurvich. This interview was tape-
recorde d with the knowl edge and consent of Hr • While
a\vai ting the t ranscription of t.lta t tape 1 this memorandum is
r espectfully submitted.
stated he is an Assistant District Attorney
in the 'l\ven ty-Fourth Judicial I? is trict of Louisiana .
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He further stated h e had appeared before the
Warren Commission in their investigation of the assassination of
President and furnished testimony relative to his
knowledge of "the assass in, LEE
said OSI·lP....LD c c.me to his office in Nay or
June 1 963 for l egal assistance . From memory, A1i"DRE\·:s said he
p robably sa\v three or four t imes. ANDRE\vS' office was in
627 Maison Blanche Building, New f)rleans , when OSI\TALD car.1e vli th
three young men who were obvious homosexuals . The l atter were
in some minor troubl e with t he local police but i t was n o t
n ecessary for him to actually r e present them. state d he
was wel l knovm in the French Quarter and h ad represented homo-
on several occas i ons .
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Whe n questione c about his testimony on 21 July 1964
before the Vlarren Commission , wherein h e said there were one · or
t wo homosexuals; ANDREWS studied the Commi ssion Report for five
minu tes (6 :03-6 : 08 P . M) and the intervi e w r esumed.
ANDREWS sai d his figures t o u s were accurate and
added that one of these " gay kids" (homosexu c. l s ) was a
He said the Me x i can was quiet and did not talk . ANDREWS reca lls
h aving made a file on this but did not r etain it .
According to OS\vALD idcn ti£ied hims e l f
a nd sat on AND:R.E\·7S ' left during their first me e ting . H2
remembe r if the othe rs were i denti f i ed.
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The J. c.s t tim•o 1\"Ill<:O\·; s sav' OS,•!I\LD Has i n front of l_
thG i s on Blanche :Cu i l cling \·.'he n \•las c1 is tr ibu ting r::-v=-- -l
C<Js tJ:-o leaflets . 1\liDIU·:\·!S OSi·:.i\LD to a ttempt t o
<1 delinquent fee but OS\·:i\J..D hacl no mone y t.o pu.y him. l \l\!D.i-.:.t.:::\'.'5
reca lls a Hith OS\<li\LD at tJi·i s lime . _ This HGxicu. n
wa s about 5
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back, and hacl a.n athletic- LypG bu.ilcl . .ANDREI·lS sa.i.c1 a Ne xica.n
\vas - a l ways with ·OSi\11\LD . Although U1G Nexica n was not ide ntified
or in trcduced and n e ver spol:e , ANDlill'dS said he coul d r e cognize
him. -·
Some photographs were shovm to for possible
recognition or ide ntifica tion but to no avail . said he
could not s e e the n e cks of the subjects in the photographs which
would b e nece s sary as the Mexican with   had an unusually
strong-looking neck.
ANDRE\<lS added that he als o knew DAVID FERRIE and
h ad recently been contacted. by him to settl e a brake tag viola-
tion .
. Referring back to ANDRE\\"S stated it was
about 5:30 P . H. when and the three others c ame to see him.
There were no i ntroductions other than by OSvlALD . \\Then asked
why t hey came to him ANDRE\<lS said someone had r ecorrunended h i m.
ANDREHS was asked i f he reca lled the Warren
Commission asking him about CLAY and ANDRm·;rs replied,
"Where is that?" A copy of the Report was shovm to him and t he
intervievT resumed after a two-minute pause at 6:21 P . M.
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Stating he was now ready to discuss CLAY BERTRAtW,
he referred t o the Rende vous Bar which he described as a
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swi ng i ng p l ace " and .was l ocated in the French Quarter where the
Red Garter i s now. ANDREWS explained he lived in the Pontalba
Apartments when in school and met many homosexuals .
ANDREWS said the young men with used his
phone to call someone and when contact made , h anded the
phone to him • . As listenec, a voice said, "\vhatever they
owe, I
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11 pay. " ANDRE'VTS said he had hea rd this vo ice and name
before under simil ar circumstances . \fuen asked if he knew \·;ho
CLAY BERTR.A.ND was said he didn
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t knmv for sure . Asked
if h e eve r had any financial dealings with CLAY BERTRAl'ID , Al-;"TIRm·7S
' r e.plicd he had not b e cause the came b ack and paid.
He said BERTRAl-TD n ever owe d him any money.
Asked if he had ever seen or met BERTR.A.l. '\fD, A-.N'DRE\·iS
said he had t\·Jice and the n corrected it to ·once . ANDRE'\·TS said
h e saw him i n a b ar on Da uphinG Street n ear Espl a nade Avenue . He
said BERTRAND got up and l eft the bar when ANDREI-iS came in .
ANDRE\<lS was aske d what ma d e him that man was CLAY BERTP-AI::D
and h e said h e could not recall.
At 6:26 P . M. ANDREvlS was shmvn the Report where he
is que stione d about owing him money. ANDREi·IS rep lied
that h e was vague the n b ecau se he \·lCJ.S b c ir:. g pus hed in the sam:>
manne r as we we re pushing in our inter vie w.
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as he h ocl h cc:n·c1 i_t- <:t nc1 l.h:... voice \·:as i rttc lli- !
gent and cducu tccl . Sd.i.d BET\. ':;.:1\i\;'\D h .:1d "com:n<md of the
I<ing   English" und cJ ic1n 't sound horrtoscxu;:,.l or. c f i,t'mina tc .
When asked to de scribe the person h e saw on
Dauphine S tree !.: und conclude d it vms :CEHTRl\..ND, ANDRE\\-s asked for I
a short break to refresh his memory at 6 : 29 P . M.
Resuming, ANDREI\TS sc:;.id he "didn 't a tape
measure" with Finally he · said this man had grey hair c:.nd
ruddy o.:>mplexion . ANDREWS added that he though BER'l'Hi\ND was
bi-sexual. At this point he recalled the bar was Cosmos's.
ANDRE\<lS said he had actually seen this man twice. The first time I
was at a "gay bar" (homosexual hangout) -"maybe" Dixie ' s or
"maybe on Chartres ". ANDREI<lS said he only "assumed " it· was CLAY I
BERTRAND on this first meeting.
ANDREWS said he was confined to Hotel Dieu Hospital
in New Orleans on the day of the assassination . While there he
received a phone call from CLAY BERTRl\1ID \•lho asked h·im to go to
Da llas , Texas and defend LEE HARVEY OSWALD who had been arrested
and accused of murder.
_At this point reca lled that on OS\•7.'\LD ' s
visit to his office CLAY BERTRl-"\ND told ANDREivS on the phone tha t
he would pay the expenses . said the exact words \'lere ,
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11 personally handle fee ."
ANDREWS was asked if he knew. CLAY Srli""\i•l and he said
h e had seen pictures of him but they had never met . Asked if
BERTRAND and SHAvl were s · milar i des
a· d he "wouldn·• t know" . He said he had no file
ANDREHS then sa1.d we co d call Regis .r'ennedy of
John Rice "could care less ".
He said all the homosexual young men he represented
kne¥7 BERTRAND's number and would call him from ANDREi·lS ' office. I
ANDREWS added that he "handled " so many homosexuals because his j
"reputa tion preceded him". ANDREI\TS said he probably met f ifteen I
o r twenty homosexuals \vho kne\·T CLAY BERTRAl. ' TD. He cannot remember
of their names.
During interview, several)photographs of
various persons , including CLAY SHJ\V'l , were shm·m to AlY!DRE\\'S .
Several names \'Tere aJ..co mentioned for recognition . This was to
no avail.
The interview concluded a t 7:23 P . M, 2 Marc-f1 1 967.
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Q. Mr. Andrews , thic
i!j llol1 Scott- o:f' \-.'HAC
Ao Yes ,
Q. I don ' t if you nre mran:: of a story in the
A. I h enrd about. i t.
Q. Ir. reGard to the the District Attorney, of the ns::;o.s!5i -
nn.tion of the prcuiclC!nt , seeinG ho'.; you in-the \hrren
t e st:i.mony report , we \-7CYC \-iondering if you "vrere contacted
by the District Attorney yet ?
A. I ' d rather not tr.ake nny comllient. I don ' t kno-...1, \-That these :peop le ere
doing and elce . I appcnred b e fore the Harren Co:;-... il issio:l,
and I averHt:;e about once or t\.:i.ce a Heck , people seeking for intcrvic·.;s
and I j ust thouc.ht nothinc; can ccn-.e out of it, but you can ' t bring the
President back to life again. I just don ' t vant to set involved in i t
and besiden that I like to l ive . If a guy can put a hole in the
President, he can just step on me like an ant , it i s not my fight .
It' s body else ' s f i Ght .
Q. Have you e ver been threatened at all?
A. No. I haven ' t been threatened, but people seem to feel that I know
more than I knovr . I n some i nstances i t is correct , and i n others, it
i s wrong, they just dra•r conclusions . I duck it to tell you the truth,
I mean I am not interested in it one way or tne ot her. I stay R"viay
f rom it . Tney all hound me , shm.,r me picture s and sit doi.il and tali:,
t a l k . And. I just l isten, listen and. \-;hen they are finish8d I tell t!'le:n--
n o c om:uent .
Q. Woo are tnese peopl e you are r eferring to?
A. Everybody. People from Burope . Writers, publishers, researchers,
cranks, t he whole bit.
Q. Has t h e Governor sho¥n any further i nterest i n you?
A. Yes, they watch Tnere i s a tap on the phone you are talking on
Q. Have you n 1n across this Clay Bertrand again that you talked about i n
the report ?
A. Onl y one time , but I \Tasn ' t abl e to catch him. I a'll a little heavy
you knmr and I can ' t move like I used to. I went up the street and I
c ouldn ' t catch him.
Q. Tnere i s a statement attribut ed to you in either the testinony or the
at this time it escapes me, in \-.'hich you s a id there ••ere t hree
t h i ngs you Here goine; to do and one   thera \-Tas find Cla y Bertra nd an:i
t he other one was find the guy tha t really killed the President? Do
you still feel that way?
A. Well Dadde o, like I sa y! I like to l ive; but wha t the hell it wouldn ' t
roaY.e 110 diffe rence . I ' ve done two of t he three . let ' s put it that wa y .
Q. Do you care to sa y •Thich tvo?
A. No .
Q. 'l' o the be st of yo'.lr would you sc:..y tha t Jim Gnrris on i s
i ng n.n investit:;a tion into the
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I think J:i m ouc;ht t o be nble to you
will t e ll you l w w::mt.s , the nutJ'..•·:> r is
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'l'luLs-Picayunc also printed the story .
'J 'J, .. ·:-Picayune v1ll pick it up to:-r:orro,., mornintj . You see the
P:-c H:,'"' ' · Co;rpoy-ntion mms both the mornin2: ..,.;!J ich is t!te 'l'in:es-
• __ a nd t!te edition. 'l'ncy on ly have one nc-...rsp3.per in this
·, I! a morning and edition:::; nrc mmed by t h e same publis:1in5
f211n,
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\lell their reputa tion is pretty far and wide.
\-:ell,
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lS   • Actn:J. lly, for the break you are looking for, you are •.
There I. ---..-e so:ne peoule doT,m here from Boston for Carnival, let ' s see ·
Mond[l.'/1 t.he day Hardi Gras and the y asked me for the se..r.:e things

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dlffl.: does it make, the guy is dead? You start a lot of sh--, ness
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• of people . I'm just kind of conserv?.tive , I believe in let-
tJ.ng
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- l_eepine doe; lie. About a ll I can get out of publicity is a hole
in my },_"'!_d and tny creditors -.,.;ill fj_nd me and think I ern far.1ous and -...:a nt
me to 1-y my bills, -...rhich I can't do .
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Lllink lee Harvey Oswald was innocent?
killed hi."'n, a l ot of people lmow that, he vas nothing but a
ecoy; ' · \-e rybody YJlo-...rs that .
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1rerence does it make? To those who knov, it makes no difference,
to

-...rho do kno;•, no explanation -...ril l suffice . You can ' t 1ri n fo!"
losill r. Jn this game . · Tney knm•, everybody k_-rlm:s . All you have to be is
h alf \, · intelligent. Tnat boy lacks three things : he lacks capaoilit:--,
f:asil , , t -Lty and responsibility and the wee.:pon coulli."1 't do it . They
""··' ''0n and the best they he.d with the Feebies
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1 a man so how could he do it? He -...ras just a patsy.
Do yc.,, Lhink i t was Lee that was in your office?
I don' L think, I knmr that o
\-That 1''-' -:> ible connection do you think he mieht have had, as your
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Probu l, l ,. friends
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Q. Has ever any questions that Lee was on the "gay" side?
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fn.cta-1 · Their persona l problems were their o·,m. His personal prob l e:r. s
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- own . I don't believe the boy was gay.
Hov : al . "t any influence or pressure broue;ht to on you fro::-t outside
the vr . ' " t r y or this so called plot or anythinc of oti1c r assassins,
do Y
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Well,
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I l: n• •'.I .. . •· w:1y around . I kno·.t wl1-:-, t I have to do -...:hen I l:o.vc to f.o i :. .
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\m.y. 'l'ncr.c p c .)plc do·.m hc:re , I ,iust. listcnin:; to t!wr.;
eve rything cls·:: i s true , th ey ' ll hc.vc a. . loli of fu!1
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t,Test. Hell, l et me put it to y ou this vay, it is o. f antastic strar:[;e
sort of circwnstances . I don ' t think this thing v:J.s plotted. . I think
t he \!hole thing happened •rlthin 3G or 73 hours at the mos t . .t-lost
probably 36 hours .
I f we ever open up the i nvestieation again on nationa lly recoo1ized
or governmental plane, will you testify before a new investi gat i on?
I've got the t a llest memory in the world . I draw out about a minute .
Tna t
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and the only people not sa tisficd are historians , they '\-i u.nt to doct:.:!ent
everything and. they couldn ' t care less who gets stepped on or what .
They are l ookinG for the Holy Gra il and if they can find it God Bless
them. vfuat aye they going to do with it when they find. it? l et
Pandora out of the box and there is no way to put it back in. All you
c an get is conjecture.
Tne real ans·.rers are, aside from the f!}J.Y who pulled the trit:;e;er
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could tell you that . But I think what everybody i s tic}:ed off at is the
way in • a ll this mass of information '-'aS assimulated.
It is l ike definin3 an elephant . Arou.."ld on the bayou , I was a kid,
they told us a little st0:ry . Tney took four blind   to a zoo, o:J.e
grabbed an by the and said. I knori \!hat he is like . He ' s
like a one grabbed the elephant by the l eg and said he ' s
like a tree
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one walked into his belly and said you t>.ro cats are cr:1zy
h e
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s like the wall. One grabbed him by the t--:J.il and said, No, he ' s lil-2
a r ope . They all argued loud and long about what a n elephant is out
they only got one part of it . that is the with the Wa rren
Report. Nobod.y will go d.eep enoush, far enougn c:.nd stron;; enough to
t ake the entire concept and noboiy is intelligent or clever
enough to sort fTom say Point A to Point C with the varying factors that
go in and out of, because the y do not possess the necessary instincts
and training to take a ll of the pieces and put them together . Tnat ' s
whats vrong \rith the 1-larren Report, that the Feebies did.n
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particul ar lee.d out or poor people that talked to Ruby, they aye all
by this or that, and the issues in the
thine; get los t in the mass of the testimony. You don ' t even have a
decent medica l r eport because the f e.:)..lmi did a tracheoto:::y >thenevcT they
brough him in. The Big dead whcn'the first shot hit
T'ney d:!.dn ' t have to pop him school ,.,as out. But nobody }:novs
which \my the bulle t we nt , North, South, E':!st or 'dest . Did it co;;:e
from Oswald
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s windoH? Actually, I have reason to be lieve there \re re
three places , and that vere t•To assassins and a dtl!i.rr.y, and co.ll
they cau;:;.'-lt \!3.S \.Tho.t they we re supposed t o catch. Tl'le dwabbell. T:1.e
two real people , the hit and the follovr up hit. You can ' t l a y three
shots the w:=.. y they say they d:!.d, but you ca n figure As s2.ssin A - Po·..r -
Assassin B - Pov - and· As snss in A - Po•,., - and you ' ve three shots .
Nobody c<1n t ell the directi on thes e shots c:-..m from. And all you ha ve to
do i s pl<Crlt someth:i.n[; in a rcnon ' s mind f'..ld i f he i s a n ::!.lle;:::;c(1 •ri t nes s
he ' ll. sei ze on it Elnd go up sD..y it t rud, and they don ' t s cp:n-a.te
the stuff . 'l"r !c:y pl2.nt a pj c' u ·cc· o.r!d c c:r.c und nsl-:: the t_1..1y if it i s I
true f'.nd. h e ;,' (:!> . Jl.nd t l!o:: n J'O'.l h .". \'(: di fferc:-:t   t y
that vary ttl!cl that t hey cnn
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A. One d;::y \I C vlll "' rite n l>oo1r:. , if yc.u [Ll"C: ev£. r do·.-rn here "H\10
Cock J\ol):ln
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Q. I ' d love to do it.
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' -Tell, when you c:;ct son1o yotl co:::c doim. I can ' t vrlt.c . I
:practice l one; \:rite 1n;:i. efs . But :i.f you Y.noH nnything a b out vri tinG
an_d you have so:nc time, come en d.o·.;n, \-rc 'll write it.
We· just take you up on tha t .
It'll b e
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• 'I"ne boy is a p e r son:tl friend of mine) h-= is
intellie;ent , he ' s an exceptional attorney. He ' s courageous. He c a ll
him the
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big giant
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dmm here. He can handle himself, I'd j ust
pass.
Q. Again, thar> .. k s very much.
A. Allri8fltee.
Q. I t has been a p l easure . Goodbye nov •
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DATE: June
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Mr. w. A. Br_anigan
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SUBJ ECT< ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT I   1 . .
JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY Al'fi.ftlOb!T!Ofl C01tUTQ'f '
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Dean Andrews, New Orleans informed our
New Orleans Office shortly following assassination of
President Kennedy that he had received a telephone call from a
Clay Bertrand 11/23/63 and that Bertrand requested Andrews
to go to Dallas, Texas,and defend Lee Harvey Oswald. Andrews
indicated Oswald had contacted his office on a few occasions to
obtain legal services and was accompanied by Clay on
one or two occasions. Investigation failed to substantiate
Andrews' claims and it was determined Andrews was critically
ill and under heavy sedation when he supposedly received the
telephone call from Bertrand 11/23/63. Andrews then told our
Agents the whole thing must have been a dream.
New Orleans District Attorney James c. Garrison has
alleged that Clay Bertrand is identical with Clay Shaw, former
Director of the International Trade Mart in New Orleans.
Garrison has arrested Shaw and Shaw is now awaiting trial on
/ a charge that he conspired with Lee Harvey Oswald and others
to assassinate President Kennedy. The indictment of Shaw was
largely based upon testimony of Perry Raymond Russo who
indicated he met Oswald, Shaw and David William Ferrie in
Ferrie's apartment in the Fall of 1963, when the three men
plotted the assassination of President Kennedy., Russo claimed
that Shaw was using the name
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Clem Bertrand."
. The National Broadcasting Company (NBC) carried a
one-hour television program on the evening of 6/19/67 which
exposed the fraudulent nature of Garrison's investigation
of A highlight of the program occurred
when narrator Frank McGee reported "Clay or Clem Bertrand
does !:exist, and an :' NBC reporter has seen him. Clem Bertrand
is not hi's real name. It is a pseudonym used by a homc:
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in New Orleans. ·F6r his own protection we will not disclose
the real name of the man known as Cl P. m Bertrand. His real
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Memorandum to Mr. W. c. Sullivan
RE: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY
62-109060
name has been given to the Department of Justice. He is
not Clay Shaw."
By letter dated 6/19/67 the Department of Justice
informed the Bureau that a confidential source not connected
with NBC, has advised the Department of Justice that the
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located by N6C in New Orleans who uses tpe pseudonym
"Clem is Gene \Davis, also known as Eugene \ Daviso
No identifying data was furnished concerning this individual.
l --- We have reviewed our files and have determined that
1we have a criminal   in the New Orleans Office whose
name is Eugene Davis is the owner of Wanda's
Bar, 704 New Orleans. This bar is a
notorious hangout for French Quarter homosexuals in New Orleans.
Davis is an admitted homosexual and is familiar with many
homosexuals in the New Orleans French Quarter.
A Potential Criminal Informant file on Davis was
opened by the New Orleans Office 4/28/60 and he was designated
a criminal informant on 10/11/66 (137-7386-3)o Davis has
been a very valuable informant in the New Orleans Office and
has furnished extremely valuable information over a period of
years. His information has led to the arrest of a number of
fugitives and has also been of considerable value in a number
of other important investigationso
---- The New Orleans Office has reported that Davis was
contacted 11/23/63 during the FBI investigation of the
assassination of President Kennedy. On that date Davis stated
he possessed no information regarding the assassination and also
advised that he did not know, and had neve r heard of,
Lee Harvey Oswald or Jack Rubyo
The files of the New Orleans Office do not show any
alias for Davis and no information showing Davis ever utilized
the name "Clem Bertrand."
OBSERVATIONS:
---- It is not known whether our informant, Eugene Clair
Davis, is identical with the individual Gene Davis, also known
as Eugene Davis, who uses the pseudonym "Clem Bertrand"
according to information furnished by the Department of Justice
6/19/67. Inasmuch as Eugene Clair Davis is a criminal informant
of the New Orleans Office, it is be lieved he should be contacted
imme diately and inf ormed of the NBC program 6/19/67, particularly
the portion wherein NBC narrator Frank McGee stated NBC had
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RE: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT .JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY
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located a homosexual in New Orleans who uses the pseudonym
-'--' "Clem Bertrand," Davis should be asked whether he knows a
New Orleans homosexual who uses the pseudonym "Clem Bertra.nd"
or "Clay Bertrand," In the event Davis replies in the
negative, he should be asked whether he himself has ever used
such pseudonym. It is felt that such an interview is the most
direct and appropriate way to determine if our informant,
Eugene Clair Davis, is the individual located by NBC.
ACTION:
Attached is a teletype to the New Orleans Office
setting forth appropriate instructions in line with the
above observations.
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ALKER, PAUL R.
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11/25/ 63
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LHO, POST-RP, ASSOC, BERTRAND, CLAY
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Memorandum
SAC, NEW ORLEANS {89-69)
DATE:
11/25/ 63
FROM Supvr. PAUL R. ALKER
SUBJECT:
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY, 11/22/63,
DALLAS, TEXAS
Re: LEE HARVEY OSWALD
On 11/25/ 63 Attorney DEAN ANDREWS, who is present ly
confined to Hotel Dieu, Room 202, with pneumonia, telephon Lc ally
advised SA REGIS L. KENNEDY that OSWALD had talked to him,
date not known, about getting a dishonorable disc harge changed .
ANDREWS stated OSWALD was a "walk-in" client, that he did
nothing about it, and doubts that he has any r ecord . ANDRl!:WS
stated OSWALD was accompanied by another individual . ANDRHWS
further advised that on ll/23/63 one CLAY BERTRAND, a French
Quarter queer, called ANDREWS a nd asked him if he would under-
take the defense of OSWALD.
LEADS
NEW ORLEANS
AT NEW ORLEANS, LA. Get full information from
ANDREWS regarding any records he mi ght have. Identify per son
accompanying OSWALD to ANDREWS' office and in terview BERTRAND
for any association he might have had with OSWALD as well as
his knowledge of any other associates.
PRA: lil
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