".

. • ' ... j,g;:_ . .. ......
'
')
DYLAN I<!EETS \'IEBERJvJAN
a Dylan interview condmcted by
aj weberman, dylanologist
'PREPACE
-------

  ----.--
The follo11ing :l.nterview. is actually a serj_s of convers.:iltj_ons I had with
_Dylan in early Jan. Since D wouldnt let me record them I had to re-
[ construe t them thr>u my recollections. When I sz0ee1 showed Bob v1ha t I had come t
H:ith he said
11
There .
1
s lies in there & _that
1
s sneaJ{y shit tal kin to a cat
,,then i•ll"itting about it'' \'le cor'rected my. errors over the p:10ne & D gave me
dir-ect quotes -Q: recorded the p}rS:N call;& have includeEl parts of itpx:!:.t:M::!:N
I think I caur;:1c the leap of D's bound to some extent.
· .. L
a Dtlan interview by
AJ \·/EEEHf'];i.N, D;Jlanolog:i.st & rHnister
of Defense, DJlan Liberation Fn
: '
.
I
vras
really
fuclzing
hastled
the
day I
meet
Dylan.
Pigs.
Heavy
.shit.
r
l
vras
go:i.n
f'ucJ{in
crazy.
I
made :i. t
to the D d.ass
that l
teach
each
Vl281.(
at
'-"
then
said- t
1
s
the
fiel.d
tdp to
the
Alternate
u & gave a
short
rap
.• . . f . . .
  st •. 'l!!hen. we
D 1 s pad.
11
_About 50 of us headed down 6th fwe
got to Lith St. I jJo;\.ntea· ou.t·:,tl\e pad D lived
. . h
in from 6!;:-64 a·nd .tr;i.ed; to.' e):ptain
. :it reJ a ted to D
1
s POSITIVELY FOURTH STREE'r. tm t th1s drunk woulnt let
me get a word 5.n edgel'lise. \'le contJ.nued to march & plcl{ed-up a couple of str-eet
kids alonG the way (J;hats ·.the dangerous part about do:Lng something like this-
like I could trust the people in my class but these ¥.J.ds were full of ·. un-
directed violence) we were all standing in front of D
1
s. I began to yell
HEY BOBBY .pLEI;.S!!: CRA\·!L 0Url
1
YOUR 1/JINDO':l. Someone else screamed-OPEN THE DOOR
EOJJIW. The lights started to go on and off and one of D
1
s kids came to the
window & started playing with his blocks on the sill, building sort of a wall
aga:j.nst us, ..

stopped yelling. the class·'intiJ,.D.":.3·'lobby in order
to shO'.·I them ·,·rhere D "came down to the lol;Jby to make. a small ca.J.lciu::t" out by
th5.s time the class had sjblit into 2 groups-;- the hardcore Dylan Li'oerationd.sts
. . .. _.
\'Jere v:ith rne in the hall, v;hile the people with grouple r,.;ere stand--

1np; acr>oss the street. Then (DLF),

man, I sa'.'l someone
l>ook':.out·from on.top ... of.the.·.stairs for a flash" Dylan was home!
\'IP went outs1de & I decieded to go thru D
1
s gar>bage wi:th the class & so
they formed a circle around me. David Peel (DLF) pointed out that his garbage
bags were green, like his money.
i1y
I' . fl .
·Garbage .Article had already come out so
there was nothine; of inter>est .to be found out we dld the thin::; anyr,·ray .. ThEm ol
·of the street kj.ds de'cieded he was gonna enter; D
1
s thru 2. · ·,·rindor,'[_ I 0a s 'ekj)la
.. • r 'f.: ..
' ' . .\. ......
1ns fihat':.\{,jttfdo . he ti:.ied ·v·.raspt ready for an ille&;Ell ... .demo-ye
. . '
' . .
v:hen Sharon ( DLF-groupie tendencies) come G oYer a·nd r:Thcre
1
s someone s t:3.
across- NhO looks JUST LIKE ·DYLAN
11 11
Holy shit
11
1 thought
,_
,----·-
the .CL'tc.k am I going
to do? D
1
s e3.ught· :a8 rec1--hanc1ed goin;:-; thru. hJs
' .
garbage. He'
·gonna.be ... he may .get I to ·beat the ghit out_of
that sl:Lrncy bootlickGr here and no\'r'." I lool<ed up and Bob stand:Lt;g directly
acr9ss the st.reet from me- he vms dr·essed in del'\i'H/' wearing_ rimless glasses &
it loolced like srnolw coming_ out of his hea.d. I, just stood there. David Peel
came over and pushed me foi·!ard. It was like High Noon. "Do not forsake oh my·
Dylanolog;y" I eventually walked over to D;v1ho looked a cross between some
one in his 'current bat:;' and a •ralmudical Scholalj and said "H011. are you, man?"
"Turin of'f the tape recorder" (I had one with me & I did) Then D sa5.d "Al, l'lhY ,·c
ye bring all these people around my house for?"- "It's a field. trip for my Dylar
class man ... but actually it's a demonstration against you and all youve cor.1e tc
represent in rock music
11
"Alan, let's go talk about thj.s" and he took c1e by thE
1· arm (I 1me\•i that very instant he mearit to do me har·m) & he started putting.on
the pres sure and I had no other choice except but for to · "Cool :i. t man" I
·yelled .''that £uckin hurts -no you want to fight it out here
and noH" "Al, did you ever vrrite anything about my Karate? Ever wr·ite anythin(
1\u{{ t\ \1) t:'·'i.

about my ra.Celt
11 11
1 knev.J you Karate but I never wrote anything about it ...
your race ... ? " "\'lha t race are you, Alan ?-;:-"The . hUiiia'n- race   -,;;hatrace- we·re
. yer parents" "l'lell they considered themse·l·res Jewish, I guess" .. "You .sure you
. .
never wrote anything about my r;ace?" "No man i;t; aint yer rac·e I object to, its
. yer politj.cs and lifest;rle" "'dell, I didnt _thin}( yc.1_ Al" .. "Hey Bob v1hat
do
.
do i·ii th aJ.J.
moneyn ·"It all to K1bbutzim Israel
you
your
goes
in and Far
Rocl-:a way"
nBut you
,,,ere
one of' the first Jevis to put down
Israeln
11
\'lhere.?
11
"I t' 1' t t "l'Tu"'R. SIDE o-, D" "D t ' . ' I .n -11e lner no ·es o A1'li ..u.J... j 1
1
on remem.oer ... you <no•:J AlJ youve
been in the city too long, the city does something to your. thinking - I knot:l
hOt'.r it iSH
ri" pat. dmm .. on tT1.is stoop a fe1·1 block f'rom his pad and we continueEi. the
conversation- '\/hat about your cb Bobby?" He denied it and llid something that
would make many people bel:5.eve he was telling the truth. But not A.J. Like he
S
·av<:'·-
111
,·,·e,_l;J. -rly over the:   tl · .L..rr _- h • as SUSp8CG (
11
Fly over ocean
11
1s a
'
!
,,
.,.·
i
I .
I
I
I
.•
. I
raetap:·wr for D's c b fror.l ot:'1er contcxtf.;) La t 2r on :1c told me -
11
EVCPyon'2
1
S b een
a s!ci. n[; n)e a bout yo..:..r \'ll.,i t :Lnc
11
•rrm HUf.IOIL ' ''.l'he r:1an in Dyl a n V!ould c1o nearly
nny tas:< i•/hen aske c1 for
my 'J.'OES up to
'{nl L'.., I!
my r • • J ·'::>
t · ,... ,1 · u J' t' s' t ··r '' e h -· , r"'
CO:':lp CD-:>3. ] .;,n , ., , .: A ::, •• • -- "
h:Ls cur· rent bas .
IH£; Vlha t I mean .
Scbr;J.e•:!h2. t t aken aback: by D's to cooperate I told b:Lm-·"1,i.8.n t.>ut
there
1
s all this evidence in your poetl':y - I could stand here for hours and
hours running it all down .. . then t her e ' s all t he . sonss written to you
other poe ts in yer own l a n.:.:;uage putting you dOi'm f or y.om., cb" "AlJ you've got
to keep in
like years
· So we talked . ·n said d i dnt dig the because of their
.1'
on i'·1ldeas t situab.on- nLittle ve rsus all .. ... : '' I sta rted to
explain to D how ti1.e Panthers bel ieved that eve r• ;:;rone ha s a rizht to Jc;·T S
A!"ahs t.ND Palasten:Lan r efu..:;ees ·,,ihen this · k:Ld f r ma cla ss c o:,1cs over and says
he wants to tall< to D. I told him that was c ool but to wait until we got done
. .. . I ha d impor-'c.:;.nt to sa y to Bob & I dicl n t k no':l if I
1
d ever see h2.r:
a,:;aj.n , (I .. s e i zlns the tj_me ) So the punk s a ys -"You:re ful l of s hj_t and so
is Dylano l 06Y" . so I grahbed him by the collar & screamed SPLIT ASSHOLE! :rre
l e f t but as he vTa s soin.z he ye lle d out i n g;r ade -school in'cin.a .. L..l.N
1
S
BOO'l'LEGGING TA. :RANTULA (D' s supre ssed nove l) Dyl an said I only had half of
· , .jJ ; ,,
1

b k
J ' 1 , l f ! . ,!r; f l"-1 • • , &
· oo · · - c:-1e ot1er na. v1as n.oo.,:.(.J;:p;.G.G<·A - ·that I should never v1orry about
runnins out of thin6s to interpret . He said he was gonna i nvite me up to ·V/ood ·
. .
;
ock a couple of mohths a:::;e . I asked ".Eo;" come you didn.t J how c·ooe I had to
ve a demonstrat.ion in front of yer house to eet you to ... you kne\··J
... · hoi·I dedicated 1 am & how 'ITe ll I knovt yer work." ':I kno\·l Al , a nd one day \ 'Ie ' 11
go for a ride and I ' 11 interpret al l ffi;'/ poems for ya II
11
\Ve aint rc.-oin
. r ,-t ·r , '·. . ?
do•:m by the docksJ are v-re?" ".No ... •. .yoy scared rriy tha t
  _f(t.' CJ(,.!f;. · · · .
"Sorry man , I didu·c mean t drag yer int:P it ...  
, - , ........ ..........__n.!-...
. .

.-··:'
w •,·, I. tolcl tl1c·1n 1'/·.,.,er·e yo•t •.·J•"re at & they
. r Archives ,, - - ' w
thcn .. 1sht a.bou t. your
<::j\t:{•,vl'0jf 1/'if,"f · ..5 :P
. plo.ce but. i tola them DOl'l'l' DO I'l' . ... :i. t a:!.nt f"aj_r to 'Al, I l:no1·1 a.
,: · J 1 af'tc.r th.a'c
1
Garbage_. Y -
J.o'c of' people who want to hur c you, espc;c:J.a ... Y .. •
\
· to n1y p;">r'_,-,a.,_.·e '· •·c;'·e s·o·Jll·e .·.or j_ t to
you Jmo;:l a.ll t.hese college .dds come .. "" "--" "
theh; dorms _ you •:JOuJ.dnt l:Llce these ldds. either·.: " ·,G_et a gm;bar;e c;n1pacter
and I' J.l ·eome around and pj_elc j_ t. up onee a vreek
1
' • . "I dont l:Lke .. no
• • · "11 J.d ,-t • c- rne •,•1.ould you?
11
·_
11
You·scared?
11
that's not true Bob you wou. n _ L ,
' +-h · u hare 11•.orr-- -po•,·rex·· rl ni
11 Sure I am, this is an ·ol!ie;arcny > v. e more money YO. ' r..,.
. . . ;:; :... '1
·wouldAdO iG, n_ J
dont v1.orry, it
1
s too- late anyvray" ":'.'I Oidilt·othinl{ so raan,
:it:.:vTi:llJ.J.r;\ :be ·.J.ike :Glft.:of'finr; Nader, but if you do, you BEETER do ·a. good job.
11
.seem
;r: went on & gave D_ a·. rap 'against Imperialism, Rs.cism & Sexism (he didnt
lH:e .he vras J.istening) and then I told him that HAS!JITILLE SKYLHill sucked
'
1·1hile SELF PORTRAIT was a storied rip-oBf since many people bought it, played
. . .
itonce, and-stuck it on their shelf. Ne:i.ther album 'r-elated to objective
i: reality. DyJ.an re spondee\. quietly- "
1
,/ell·, _there ·wer-e 2 good songs on S. P., DAYS
I
I
. OF FORTY NINE and KOPPER KETTLE ... and without those 2 lps. they
1
d be no NE\>1
NORNIHG, anyway I'm __ just starting to get back on my feet as far as my music
goes ... Al do you use Amphe'cemine" "No man, the r-eason I have so much·energy is
heq_a.use I •m tuned j_n to the life foree that
1
s try to itself here_
earth- ni ALIVE Jv!AN"
11
\'lhy v10rry so· much a bout earth vrhen there
1
s ....
11
nHha t do
. you v,ran'c rue to worry about_," if mars invades ue.?
11
u-vlhat drugs d.o yoU. -Al?
11
. '
caffine & yo1}:• "No drugs" "BULLS   riLff!!J 1.. f'>{V_S {-/tOI'l\1
"Just reefer &
-:iHIJf]Y.S ftoff
L-oMif!/J- • c-v&r\-rn,..v::: 11Ji. t1t'(.
.,
you'rE
r ------------------
" an inter":sting fellow,
see you in a few weeks" I gave him the power handshake
& he split.
. ..
.•· )
. rt.i···· : .
'\•Then I got home i was was tea._ I \'las Hf',R-I·c 'i
rapping wi thjl8: r'lawyer friancl
v1hen the phc.:J.e rang:: '.'Hello Al > this · " · ·.. ·. -: f:. · · ·
, 2s Bob Suddenly the telephone-began tor
' look like my record player. "Hant to . . t , ·. \1
,.
;
i
L
come over and. VlSl- me
0
nTha t: r
. .
like askinc; a strune;-_out junkie if he ·wants
2
fix"
thank-;:/ou
for heJ.ping me sell a lot f ·
o. records - you're articleR ' 1 ·
- " ne peel. to )Seep it
:
[
...

 
. .
(6)
-·'.
\._____./
e;oj_n£1" "Yeah that's on'" aspect of D,vlanolOi!:Y I dont d:i.r; .. but I may cancel 1t
·out soon" "P.l do yo1" have a· dr'1vers l1crJence?" "No, never learned t drive"
. .
"'l'oo bad I know of th1s chauffer job that
1
s open" "Are yen tr&t:i.ng to buy me
out man? srr9P RIGHT HEHE. It's
11
NoJ no I waBnt trying t"o
buy you ·out, I just' v1anted you ·to seelife from another !';eat, youve benn on the
streets too· long" "ney Bob, you know that song CHAMPAGNE, ILLONIS you v1rote &
.
gave to C=.rl Perk1ns" "Yeah I f1gured Cal needed a song" "He. needed someth1ng,
anyvJay why not Vlr1 te a song called   IT"L ca1.J.Se .that Is \'/here the pigs
'just murdered th1s v1ho was gpnna testify agaj.nst them .. '':·:Dylan remainE
silent "You there?" "Call ye tornmorrow" I hung-up.
The· next day he called me &; told me to come to h1s midtovm studio
vlith a tape deck & an amplifier if I wanted to hear some rare D tapes cause
all he had at the studj.o was a record player. l.!ly old .lady'· Ahri., ·helped· me
take the stuff uptovm & then split cause D said he vmnted to see me alone.
·Dbegan-"I've seen you around a lot, Al" "Bob, let's set up the equipment,
.o.kay_" I wei1t. over to the speaker and asked him to disconnect it & he started"
umfrewing the terminal with no lead on it "Let me do it man" & I did the
--------
thing. ('chis little bit of play acting a.nd the fliff about not having a tape
·recorder in his studio was a clever ploy designed to conv1nce m.e D wasnt J:nto
·- ·.
recording conversations but I d:idnt go for it & ma:i.ntaine·d. my cool when it
came to_ saying self -incriminating things.)
1·/e began- "1·/ha t do you think of Tim Leary" Dylan asked "I thinK he
1
s
.. -
great - like he was into revolution all along but felt he could attract a lot
of the mj_ddle class by talking about it 1n mystj.cal ter)<lS. He's a national
hero of T;foodstock Nation. Hhat do you th:i.nk?" "I dont. follow polittcs" "Hovr cc
:I: found newspapers in yer garbage every day?"
"It's not my garbage ev.
. e"'·
3
.,;-o·
- .. .... :; .....
in my building- we mix all the· garbage togetl).er" "Sure ye .. hey man,
:fiil
r
tell you something about yer politics- they
1
re fucking genoc.tdal - cause I taJ
to a lot of people when I'm out on the streets selling TARANTUVl .. and most of
: '
..
. ·._.
•.
'
i
!
. .
.. · ....  


.__.v
·the paople I tall{ 'co ro;ot the ir.1pression fror.1 that SHTCT OU'r j_ntorv:LG\'1 that
. '
yoi.l \
.,
i
i
i
\
1·1ouldnt leave me alone & J.et we cl.o my thine; up in V!oocl.stoclc - eve.ry five minute:
support the war in Vietnam" "I only cUd 'chat to get. back at the free!·:<' who
there 1·;as someone a 'c my door. I mean this fame th:Lng ·got out of hand. · I never
. "
. .
expected to become this fan\ous. I DON'l' DIG I'l'. I go - rrian even· if
1 go to su:o1e small tovm so,newhere - a bunch of freelcs alvmys ·manac;e }b f:i.nd
me and . then they r.t,o apesh:Lt." "Get a lonc;-haired Vlig, theY I d never recosnize
you" "';lhy dont you buy me one Al. •.·. ;:_ :!'He:y.i:inqn.':.h6vr__:.come .you your sell;
: VIi th Cash - that lackey was SO conservative at. :;>,ou :did thin:::;s
· still
;that· Ni;.;:on· later 'iiwi ted h:Un ··to sing .akthe \•lhi & ..
.to praise: Hixon
1
s genolfidal: polic;j,es a;c ·.hi s··ci:'n'lcerts" ... -- ___ :[_ -----------·:
. - f.:.._:\i. Iv1as a kid ... I lov-e him. ;i' Bob .
0
•er so fucki-ng m
J\ rised Nixon didnt invite you to sing fer him" "I am too man I
.... \ alr,;ost. all the other

 
Ol·'"' lan"U""'e f ' J ·t· " "'"h . . . .. vr'   ·•
, ... _ 6 --0 :-- or_ :,er po _-l . .ey 're just using my    
-.c •. D.nders'c:nd • t you' r_e saying the sa.me i•Jay I cJ.o· ...: fr·om stu.dy:i.ng yer
"Vlhy dont you .ask. them about i •

H 's a
l
.. & zaR cause of the contraversial--na ture .. of your cb --
tne:;- S:Lng about- anyway it's poetrv- & its up to the 1· t · ·
crl t:Lc to .· '· t 11 "I . • - . lS ener OD
:sure l c ou . . deny l t 's happenj_ng and so do the,..
11
"Hey D'•l
man>, all of JOU can deny ;,·our asses off but as lono- as ya dont" come u "jat:'
anotner system that's more · Q. t t k "' · ' P

• n
"NO"·. conulS en , ma .es more sense etc. MINE STANDS, DIG?"
- -- ----- --
_________
I ---- ....
. ./\t•l 0 , m<m, if you really believe in yer cb,ahd want tp .continue to in
; _____ _.! ________ ,
it, hOVJ come. you copped-out on yourself in your_ poetry';
Anci the is . t '
indicative ·of a cont:a-
i
'
'
I.
I
i
'
simple enough that many people unqerstand it. Isnt that
I .
i; diction in yer personalj_ty
11
Nov1 I had Dylan going. He suddenly be came very
· depress0d and dj_dnt say He looked hurt. I almost felt sorl"Y Tor hini..'
''Hey Bob you okay man? Lilce a lot of these
cats e.re
full'of shit- putting you
do\·rn for not doins anythj_ns v1hen t.he::;.,. dont do shit themselves·.
11 11
Hemember At:
1
1
m them ... not"fresh out of C8llei;e .... n ni\'1an, you've been tellj.ng
everyone my interpr.etat.:1.ons are

off
1
••• • let
1
s hear yotl intpret one of
your sbn3s then I'll-interpret it and vre
1
ll. see whose interpretation better
.. ·c. L"J ... _e clnCt
.... my ticks t. OlJ.t th-3 ow . .. so vre •nere clo•.-1'.1 l. n 1lro J l _,
the
traj_n was
one:::· sj.nc
lea_vinG ancl' I. dicJ.nt 1·1ant
to co so I said ... rr
11
Hey man) didn.t you
t-·ro•\ loanrl ·i1
1
-:;t ..... ll"""' n, 0 nCl,- t
·- ... - ...... -- ... -' ... .. - .j
at a conc·:=rt.in
0
Yeahr
1
.
11
So doesnt ticke)J
..
mon::- .:J'?
11
'-' A t:Lcl.:ct :i.fi you ,:li.lnt :i.t to be
11 11
YOLJ. mea n your   :i. s nt.
j cons lst0nt?" "rt. •s as cons i s t e nt as me" "So lsnt J.t mone;;? " "it could be "D;il f '
then chans0d t he subj e ct-
11
You s ur e you didnt v-rrJte any lette rs a bout uy r a c e ? •
11
No rua_n hoH 1n::my time s cl. o I ha ve t o t e ll you ... like eve r y l et ter I t:Iye r 1:1rote
t o you 1·ms on Dyla n Archi ves · stationa Py- wa s tha t?
11 11
Yes . I got it r:i.cht he r e "
( ... '\ .
He couldnt f:i.nd it y ·

'1 t-'- ' , 1· 11 11 - ••
., . "' , _. _ c e e.._ ve r s ._yr:;oo 1ze s a rticl e in D
1
s rnbol 03;J he ma ·,,- :
1
ave

par ._, of m;{ EV?_ ' ga r baz e a r t.i. cl e
1
, <'lher e , aft er fi ndi;
1
o; ca rds
.... notes fr om D's f a m1lly , I wr ote-· ·aood to s ee Dvl a n is
\

11
Hha I by . t hat Has "Good to see D s.t:Ll l t e s th amiddl .,
a .. ss, lame s l1lce rns stral r!·ht reletives It was a riff' i n th L , n
1\j A. OHIO & J
1
L •• o _ · ,., • · e enn.,t Druce
_ ; :_ o 111 eano:n dont be lieve in Z1n1rnerma n •• tra di t :i.on & not antisennet ic)
11
Did y·ou ever wri t e a s on2,; to rne?
11 11
Absolute l y no t •• "How about Dear Landlord
\
or wa s t ha t to Grossr:an?
11
••aro.ssman wasnt in my mind when I wr<Dte it . Onl y
later v..rhen. people P?1nte d out the s on;:; may have been writ ten for .IH .. "Qe-p ..tGvo ..
I thought 1t could nave been ... 1t ' s an abs t ract song .. sure as he ll wasnt
wri t t en f'or J OU .. I wasnt awa r e of you the n
11
"Does Albe rt still in
f
" "NO'• .
; our beLa l
:;?.J ·- ·· ·· • '- .. -- ·· " n , ; :-,1 · ,._ . _,_ 1'

. ·
'_\-
. ..   •
• • • • • • 0 - . {
(.,. • fl r
. "1"'18 . "
tj . '• sn, n·ot:\ ·"
l
.:

I,
·_ Thr<?'--'- Ghont c onv 2rs3.tion t_he phill ne r a ng con st-ant ly & a t one p oint
came to the door ha nde d D a f a n ·l e tte r & a book of He read
t he f a n l e tte r r.ight .;the n and thPre .& hande dJ me the booT\: - "Take a t it-
t¢11 me viliat you think- advise me - you ' r e a knowl e dgeabl e ca t & I could use
some advic;;; - even ·on poli tj.c s . •• nBulJ. shi t •• "I
1
s hoiJ. l _d ho.v e a .boo]·::.. of' ·my_ p9 e1:1S
out in 2 years & a bool( a l l my s on:;s shoul d be out- soon & I ' m
· pJ.a nnin.s to t hat s ong you ha ve a r a r e tape of - SHE
1
S YOUR I..OVER NQl.·i-
as a
11
Builshit ....... wha t do ' y ou th:tnk about my -v;orlc m::m? " "You r
app.:' o2. c!1 is s:tnce r e
11
"You lmm·r· if I lived in another age I might have be er). a
Talmud:i.c schola r"
11
SO '.'iOUld I II "I gue SS so - you sa y .. .. -' since r e·' .
1
.Uhy_:did!1t
. .
say._ that in the _ Rolling ·Stone int8rview instead
LL ,: . ._ . .,.
of i wa s

. .   .
ll.m··-···-.. • . " .:; ""-. I I th . t ' .Ll . 'I1h ., 1
• ...:.:..::...! .:;·--:.C. · v· ·;J_:.:;_J.o.. m .ru 'i'T:l ·n :r;;,;.;::m... e on y r eason I ga ve the m an inte1
. .
vi e 'i'T \·!as be ca use they hounde d me for ye ars ." "Do you fol l 01.·; the r ock cr1ticism
scene c·l ose l y ?"
11
NO"
11
How .c ome I :fou.nd all t ho s e rock pa pe r s in yer gar bai;e ? "
"I only r ead t he r ':·I hen Al Kooper brings t hem ove r ... \'ra nna f:l ear a t a pe ?
11
He
played one cut - it was D sj_ngi ng DON'l
1
YE TELL HENRY J a song the ba nd ·ofte n
docs a t conc e r t s t hi s ' l en t support to the ory th3.t D Bhost s for the ba nd .
..
. I
11
He t;ot a t t e r f ide i!! i ve rsi on of t h:ls t a pe ha c!-: j_n the Ar c.hi v e s n Thel) D._, .. j
I
s it in on r e c ording sessions ) he hint e d I could cal l him up & get info on hi s
ne;·1 r e cords t hvs l y mak j_ng my r eviel.lf
1
s t rai gh t fr om t he horse s mou'th
1
s o t o
;
I
-
' ,.
\
. '.·
I:,· I.
speak. I of got the feeling that I'd get all if I behaved.
FUCK 'rHA'r SHI'r. "l·!ant to see the rest of the s t;udio?" i:le walked j_nto th:i.s room
filled 1·1ith the band's instJ:•uements and D_!s paintings. T.hey were these ,impress-
ionistic abyss-like things.
"'i!hat do· you thinlc of my paintinc;s?" "S·b.ck to
c . \
poetry" "I pa:i.nt 1·1ha t' s on my mind" nYeah, empt:;c" :For the first time J!. laughed
-IT ·but he could relat:Je to emptynes·s. Then
. . . . . ·.
I decided to lay it on the line-"Dylan you've got to live JlP to your respon-
1 .
\
sibility as a culture here -you're DYLAN man, every freek has a sof,,t spot
\
in their heart for y<:J, -the·ylove Y'E!, ·you're DYLAN DYLAN, DYL-AN" "I'm nQ.t Dylan,
.
  Dylan" "I !mow, you're some other man, right?" vie went back _into the
.. ::
of the studio- "Hant some records, Al?_" i'No, . I get them for free· from
:'1 • tf
the rec_orcc companJ.es
"1,:Jant a pare. pic"cure of me?" "I told you we got all';
that shit back .. 'in the Ar-chives: .. getting back to.the subject at hand, cUd
you ever think that maybe your wealth ha.s corrupted. you - y'ou .. ·once said ..

.:bhed'nore of a steak you have in the system the more conservatj_ve one becomes:...
"Rela of ovmersliip they whj_sper in the wj_ngs etc" And man<. you used
the struggle of black people :f.or·a decent life to ma.Jce you :famous, remeub_er
BLO':.JIN IN THE HIND and you :!:'ipped the blacks for music - YOU 0'1/E Tl".cE!>l
.--.. I
QUI'rE P.. IliT- any truth to what I'm saying man?" "Goul,O.· be",Then I ber;an to
tell Ilob why I feel the vJay I do about 3rd 1:/orld Lj_berat:i,on & vrent into ·a
ri:ff about my visit 1·1ith a very poor cat in "Let's write a. song to-
gether about your trip & we'll split the royaltti.es" "Snnd my cut to Ceaser
Chavez man" "So you just tell me who. t happened to you and I.' 11 do the wri tting
"I was dmm in Progresso, in the Yucatan & I stayed with this laborer, a typic

third v.rorld s?ene _, povert:,• _, famine-'. disease 'born into a ni ter.1c.re-

I prolonsed agon:;:- any\-HY the cat   (t;tiu;rant farm worlc8r)
t!1.a t he vrouldnt star.ve to th n
11
Br2.cero with sombrero If
11
And this
Cat t!1ou.ght the ts :1ere 'little people
1
- he Nas braint·Ja.sheci. - his
\·ras ne::zt to a dump. No
1
:·T got to convince Ameri1-::a.ns
1
- th:r·u this -
-:-: 1--
t
t
'

L
that they should suppor:t \•JarrJ of national J.:i.bera'don." Dylan came up •:T:L'ch a
..
'
I
I
song that v1en'c lilte 'this--ni)own :'ui Proo;esso ·a. bracrh·o l:i.ved in a so_mbrere full
of expresso"
11
Hhat the fuclf. is this man? 'Noonc is ever gonna be convinced of
aBything v1hen you write that abstractly" "'['hat
1
s my th:i.nr>;, Al'-
...
, .
. ''Eno1·J anything about the other books, being ''Iritten ·2.bout nie?" "Hell. Robert
. . . ' . '
She.J:ton'. Toney Scadui;o and Toby Thompson are doing books. I knqw 'l;ony. He
. _;:,,.:
says lie
1
s goin arounct" tallcin to old frienc1s (Jaclc Elliot, the !<lcKenzies
. .
and yer lovers(Suzj_e Rotteilo, Joan:!.e Baez etc) collectj_nG 'inform.:._
atj_on 1 a])OU'c you - he SaiCl 'he VIO';l-li'l nave f)tUched. yer'J.yricS but he knew he
1 - -· .
'
C0Ulc1nt get per;niSSiOl1 tO repr:i.nt them. II
"That's ncit the reason- he could
·have never figured them out - he
1
11 only corrle up v1i'ch rumors" "He did a pretty
through !joh_, tho.
11
··-:
"Nan I think you 'r•e a .fiJ.cltinE; react:i.onary. You dont use your influence
to save lives. Han look at all the death around us. Look \'-!hat just_happened
in Pakastan - i;hat was a result of capitalj.srn :: the people v1ere so poor they
· couldnt cope v1ith a natural disaster.
11
"I wonder v1hy, the· good lord .wanted all
- '
. . . .
dollars 'to- save lives:;,;:.., "I dont have
: - i>.!J'( v 'i '" !\;.(,C.
you. milJ.ionare PIG l\ And you never do
. f'
those people to c1:1.e?
11
"You dont ... " "I do .. "But hoN about \'liTH GOD ON-0UR
\li-0'1 1\ t'!,( ulft ·/.·l '·"'' ( ,e _, ·- ,.,
00
·.·. ·. · · :
SIDE.p," "I     then.,\." "Ho1·1 about usin(!; some of your 5 rnill6,on
that "Buljsh:Lt, I go<t{inside i;fo
l\\\U.\0
1
/;r-../..- \t.J 6):• ·
any benefits. Then there
1
s You
1
re
lyr:i.cs
everyone >,-1ho heard NASHVILLE SKYLIHE s;:;.id- 'Dylan
1
s in a me}lovl heacl5
he
1
s sinc;ing about love t. You cut your hair, you only· help apoli rock :. :.
j people 1·rith thej_r career5- you're a punl' and me and the DLF arce goj_ng to do 2.
'
number on you,. \·le got some shit planned that gonna blow yo_·ur·mind. Not only
fJe.:s.;:
that but everyone :i,n rock with a politcal ;:;;onna come down on you.
Lennon has started already by calling you. Zirru;u:,er:;!an, r-!cGuinn just put you
_ _ t..,; r::: _ _,._ s&.:flnS you. .e   .D- :r.. R D.:.:..tt.
do
'.-'.'11Tl !IT.•j'_<o •• ••   ll
11
Tn ":r:P-!'.1.
11
If l!p,-_. __.- • t 'D E'S''
,. ::-.:-
---------- _,--
.
'
!
!
. '
!.
.. ·
-·'
i
I
!
I
\
'
l
;
i
I
J
all you zot to do is
  --·----- .
sho;·J up and plunk youP guitar 2. little and a hunctJ:'ed
t.honsand f.'ree1.::s \'!ill
out of their 'pads
r;·o "1_...,.,,-,Ar':ipr•r ... •.ro;' a;-or.>
11 11
Sorcy··
'--!. <..::> •·--··- v .... ·- • •
'--'
Al) I can't do it. I will write a
NOV! .. See Bob, you set t.he trends in. rock c.nd j_f you becor;Le like a h:u.man
a l·")t of other will go along . ..
11
l
"Al, a lot of the things you do arent on the up and up. You 'tap' phones,
and ya go thru garbage like a
pign "But I didnt sell the garbage to Lili'E
MAGEZINE" "You must get money for your articles"
11
1m not lil<e you manJ I send
em all out fer- fr·ee ... everything should fr·ee. , . money equals slavery .. I'm
proud I do it" "No reason not't be", buL-A), il11 gonna write a song aboutyou"
"I could use the publicity
11
"That's one r-eason why I wouldnt .. but I got a
godd song called PIG" I cant take that seriously coming from you, a multi-
milliona:ii're you hoards his bread. Now matter how you cut it, when yq,u.have al1
that bread and most ·people in the wor1d have shit, you're t.he enemy-THE P-IG.
. Bobby, ;p9.a;,: you're just another capitalist; but instead of producing cars,
guns etc you produce culture.
II
"That's soinething, "Sure it is .. 'Bluemoori
you left me standing alone ...
11
"Al, if I iHaS a kid growing
/!¥'
up I'd
have· t
J.ook
'
out for you ... I'd keep for ya-Id make what
iC'f¥
my eyes open sure ever
street I went down I'd have t stand on the other side of the street when you
came down man. Al, v1hy dont you get a guitar and put some of· this energy t
'
good use?" "But there's a need for someone l:i.ke myself- rio one else is doing
the thing
11
"But yer- so extreme .. " "Thanl{S" "Off on one end - there 's no one
balancfi:ng the other end .. " "HOI'/ about lame rock critics ... " "They're in the
middle ... " "Hey Bob, they al1 say I'm full of' shit, Griel Mucus, Richie
Goldstien, Chis'cgau .. they're all CORRUPT."
i'
'.
"
i.:
@
'l'he sun !1ad set &_ Dylan
1
s wj_fe he,c1 called him for cUnner on the
p:1one
tj_mes. Bob
l'l:is phone nnm<:rBr and asl,ed me to
' ' . . '
t
on the r.e.dio;
l a
of
call him
me
1.·1hen I
1
m on the ra.dio or thin·g comes up._ T!Ever hear
Bob?"
11
Just a couple of tj_mes on Alex Bennett's Sho,•l - I due; .j_t when h·= asked
you j_f.you had any persona). messages for me. Hhat do you thin\{ of Bob Fass?"
·"He
1
s a revoJ.v.tj_onar;; brother but he dont cUg j_ t when I attack you "·ca·use you
T ln
-·c-n'- "8.l'n 3 SO"l !!
- 1 lo-- v 6 . v.. •
. ---=----- ------....

''!<>re old fr···,_ enc<. of 1'·,l· s"
11
'•Tell Al, so lon- and ne m " tl. ·
, _ cc __ _ . , c,, . o ·' . !lng-
"
1
,,
"
going to get
into ray }if'e" you do
-------
to DyJ.an '.'laS like ta.lld.ng to a
ghost. The old Dylan.,
f:J.ll of. ideas
Talkj_ng
and stories was gone, replaced 'Hith a s':lell. It \'/HS also lj.lce talking to a
con-man Hho was really connin::; h:i.mseJ.f. I knovr D's still j_nto hj_s cb & he ;·;as
tryint; t.o
\'(t. '1Jw[TO
'N-1 {
. .
. . . . . p
cooJ. ro1.e out _bY hj.s char:t.sma & offerj.ns me hj_s


Co-of \"'\'E. •. "'-r   oN -"'fit..-c;-(;.Jf_
fi'Gt-L
t? uvN:..-f..:c. ··ro 'T'.-{t. (lt-o()l../.f:

Sign up to vote on this title
UsefulNot useful