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NDW: We’ve covered a ot here! "o#$ we’ve rea # covered a ot! Can we %a&e another shi't( Are )ou read# to *o on( GOD: Are #ou( NDW: )es$ I’% ro in* now! I’ve 'ina # *otten on a ro ! And I want to as& ever# +uestion I’ve ,een waitin* three #ears to as&! GOD: I’% o&a# with that! Go! The doctrine of Reincarnation NDW: Coo ness! So I wou d i&e now to ta & a,out another o' the esoteric %#steries! Wi )ou s-ea& to %e a,out reincarnation( GOD: Sure! NDW: .an# re i*ions sa# that reincarnation is a 'a se doctrine/ that we *et on # one i'e here/ one chance! GOD: I &now! That is not accurate! NDW: How can the# ,e so wron* a,out so%ethin* so i%-ortant( How can the# not &now the truth a,out so%ethin* so ,asic( GOD: )ou %ust understand that hu%ans have %an# 'ear0,ased re i*ions whose teachin*s surround a doctrine o' a God who is to ,e worshi--ed and 'eared! It was throu*h 'ear that #our entire Earth societ# re'or%ed itse ' 'ro% the %atriarch# into the -atriarch#! It was throu*h 'ear that the ear # -riests *ot -eo- e to 1%end their wic&ed wa#s2 and 1heed the word o' the 3ord!2 It was throu*h 'ear that churches *ained$ and contro ed$ their %e%,ershi-! One church even insisted that God wou d -unish #ou i' #ou did not *o to church ever# Sunda#! Not *oin* to church was dec ared a sin! And not 4ust an# church! One had to attend one -articu ar church! I' #ou went to a church o' a di''erent deno%ination$ that$ too$ was a sin! This was an atte%-t at contro $ -ure and si%- e$ usin* 'ear! The a%a5in* thin* is$ it wor&ed! He $ it sti wor&s! NDW: Sa#$ )ou’re God! Don’t swear! GOD: Who was swearin*( I was %a&in* a state%ent o' 'act! I said$ 1He 6it sti wor&s!2 7eo- e wi a wa#s ,e ieve in he $ and in a God who wou d send the% there$ as on* as the# ,e ieve that God is i&e %an6ruth ess$ se '0 servin*$ un'or*ivin*$ and ven*e'u ! In da#s -ast$ %ost -eo- e cou d not i%a*ine a God who %i*ht rise a,ove a o' that! So the# acce-ted the teachin* o' %an# churches to
1'ear the terri, e ven*eance o' the 3ord!2 It was as i' -eo- e cou dn’t trust the%se ves to ,e *ood$ to act a--ro-riate #$ on their own$ 'or their own ,ui t0in reasons! So the# had to create a re i*ion that tau*ht the doctrine o' an an*r#$ retri,utive God in order to &ee- the%se ves in ine! NDW: Now the idea o' reincarnation threw a %on&e# wrench into a o' that! How so( What %ade that doctrine so threatenin*( GOD: The church was -roc ai%in* that #ou’d ,etter ,e nice$ or e se6and a on* ca%e the reincarnationists$ sa#in*: 1)ou’ have another chance a'ter this$ and another chance a'ter that! And sti %ore chances! So don’t worr#! Do the ,est #ou can! Don’t ,eco%e so -ara #5ed with 'ear that #ou can’t ,ud*e! 7ro%ise #ourse ' to do ,etter$ and *et on with it!2 Natura #$ the ear # church cou dn’t hear o' such a thin*! So it did two thin*s! 8irst$ it denounced the doctrine o' reincarnation as heretica ! Then it created the sacra%ent o' con'ession! Con'ession cou d do 'or the church*oer what reincarnation -ro%ised! That is$ *ive hi% another chance! So then we had a setu- where God wou d -unish #ou 'or #our sins$ un ess #ou con'essed the%! In that case #ou cou d 'ee sa'e$ &nowin* that God had heard #our con'ession and 'or*iven #ou! )es! "ut there was a catch! This a,so ution cou d not co%e direct # 'ro% God! It had to ' ow throu*h the church$ whose -riests -ronounced 1-enances2 which had to ,e -er'or%ed! These were usua # -ra#ers which were re+uired o' the sinner! So now #ou had two reasons to &ee- u- #our %e%,ershi-! The church 'ound con'ession to ,e such a *ood drawin* card that soon it dec ared it to ,e a sin not to *o to con'ession! Ever#,od# had to do it at east once a #ear! I' the# didn’t$ God wou d have another reason to ,e an*r#! .ore and %ore ru es6%an# o' the% ar,itrar# and ca-ricious6,e*an to ,e -ro%u *ated ,# the church$ each ru e havin* the -ower o' God’s eterna conde%nation ,ehind it$ un ess$ o' course$ 'ai ure was con'essed! Then the -erson was 'or*iven ,# God$ and conde%nation avoided! "ut now there was another -ro, e%! 7eo- e 'i*ured out that this %ust %ean the# cou d do an#thin*$ as on* as the# con'essed it! The church was in a +uandar#! 8ear had e't the hearts o' the -eo- e! Church attendance and %e%,ershi- dro--ed! 7eo- e ca%e to 1con'ess2 once a #ear$ said their -enances$ were a,so ved o' their sins$ and went on with their ives! There was no +uestion a,out it! A wa# had to ,e 'ound to stri&e 'ear into the heart a*ain! So -ur*ator# was invented! NDW: 7ur*ator#( GOD: 7ur*ator#! This was descri,ed as a - ace so%ethin* i&e he $ ,ut not eterna ! This new doctrine dec ared that God wou d %a&e #ou su''er 'or #our sins even i' #ou con'essed the%! 9nder the doctrine$ a certain a%ount o' su''erin* was decreed ,# God 'or each non -er'ect sou $ ,ased on the nu%,er and t#-e o' sins co%%itted! There were 1%orta 2 sins and 1venia 2 sins! .orta sins wou d send #ou ri*ht to he i' not con'essed ,e'ore death! Once %ore$ church attendance shot u-! Co ections were u-$ too$ and
es-ecia # contri,utions 0 'or the doctrine o' -ur*ator# a so inc uded a wa# one cou d ,u# one’s wa# out o' the su''erin*! NDW: I’% sorr#6( GOD: Accordin* to the church’s teachin*$ one cou d receive a s-ecia indu *ence6,ut a*ain$ not direct # 'ro% God6on # 'ro% an o''icia o' the church! These s-ecia indu *ences 'reed one 'ro% the su''erin* in -ur*ator# which the# had 1earned2 with their sins6or at east -art o' it! NDW: So%ethin* i&e 1ti%e o'' 'or *ood ,ehavior(2 GOD: )es! "ut$ o' course$ these re-rieves were *ranted to ver# 'ew! Genera #$ those who %ade a cons-icuous contri,ution to the church! 8or a rea # hu*e su%$ one cou d o,tain a - enar# indu *ence! This %eant no ti%e in -ur*ator# at a ! It was a nonsto- tic&et strai*ht to heaven! This s-ecia 'avor 'ro% God was avai a, e 'or even 'ewer! Ro#a t#$ -erha-s! And the su-er rich! The a%ount o' %one#$ 4ewe s$ and and *iven to the church in e:chan*e 'or these - enar# indu *ences was enor%ous! "ut the e:c usivit# o' a this ,rou*ht *reat 'rustration and resent%ent to the %asses0no -un intended! The -oorest -easant hadn’t a ho-e o' *ainin* a ,isho-’s indu *ence0 and so the ran& and 'i e ost 'aith in the s#ste%$ with attendance threatenin* to dro- once a*ain! NDW: Now what did the# do( GOD: The# ,rou*ht in the novena cand es! 7eo- e cou d co%e to the church and i*ht a novena cand e 'or the 1-oor sou s in -ur*ator#$2 and ,# sa#in* a novena ;a series o' -ra#ers in a -articu ar order that too& so%e ti%e to co%- ete<$ the# cou d &noc& #ears o'' the 1sentence2 o' the dear # de-arted$ e:tricatin* the% 'ro% -ur*ator# sooner than God wou d otherwise have a owed! The# cou dn’t do an#thin* 'or the%se ves$ ,ut at east the# cou d -ra# 'or %erc# 'or the de-arted! O' course$ it wou d ,e he -'u i' a coin or two were dro--ed throu*h the s ot 'or each cand e it! A ot o' itt e cand es were ' ic&erin* ,ehind a ot o' red * ass$ and a ot o' -esos and -ennies were ,ein* dro--ed into a ot o' tin ,o:es$ in an atte%-t to *et .e to 1ease u-2 on the su''erin* ,ein* in' icted on the sou s in -ur*ator#! NDW: Whew= This is un,e ieva, e! And )ou %ean -eo- e cou d not see ri*ht throu*h a that( 7eo- e did not see it as the des-erate atte%-t o' a des-erate church to &ee- its %e%,ers des-erate to do an#thin* to -rotect the%se ves 'ro% this des-erado the# ca ed God( )ou %ean -eo- e actua # ,ou*ht this stu''( GOD: >uite itera #! NDW: No wonder the church dec ared reincarnation to ,e an untruth! GOD: )es! )et when I created #ou$ I did not create #ou so that #ou cou d ive one i'eti%e6an in'initesi%a -eriod$ rea #$ *iven the a*e o' the universe 0 %a&e the %ista&es #ou were inevita, # *oin* to %a&e$ then ho-e 'or the ,est at the end! I’ve tried to i%a*ine settin* it u- that
wa#$ ,ut I can never 'i*ure out what .# -ur-ose wou d ,e! )ou cou d never 'i*ure it out either! That’s wh# #ou’ve had to &eesa#in* thin*s i&e$ 1The 3ord wor&s in %#sterious wa#s$ His wonders to -er'or%!2 "ut I don’t wor& in %#sterious wa#s! Ever#thin* I do has a reason$ and it’s -er'ect # c ear! I’ve e:- ained wh# I created #ou$ and the -ur-ose o' #our i'e$ %an# ti%es now durin* this tri o*#! Reincarnation 'its -er'ect # into that -ur-ose$ which is 'or .e to create and e:-erience Who I A% throu*h #ou$ i'eti%e a'ter i'eti%e$ and throu*h the %i ions o' other creatures o' consciousness I have - aced in the universe! NDW: Then there IS i'e on other6 GOD: O' course there is! Do #ou rea # ,e ieve that #ou are a one in this *i*antic universe( "ut that’s another to-ic we can *et to ater! ! ! ! NDW:! ! ! ! 7ro%ise( GOD: 7ro%ise! So$ #our -ur-ose as a sou is to e:-erience #ourse ' as A O' It! We are evo vin*! We are!! ! ,eco%in*! "eco%in* what( We do not &now= We cannot &now unti We *et there= "ut 'or 9s$ the 4ourne# is the 4o#! And as soon as We 1*et there$2 as soon as We create the ne:t hi*hest idea o' Who We Are$ We’ create a *rander thou*ht$ a hi*her idea$ and continue the 4o# 'orever! Are #ou with .e here( NDW: )es! "# this ti%e I a %ost cou d re-eat this ver,ati%! GOD: Good! So!!! the -oint and -ur-ose o' #our i'e is to decide and to ,e Who )ou Rea # Are! )ou’re doin* that ever# da#! With ever# action$ with ever# thou*ht$ with ever# word! That’s what #ou’re doin*! Now$ to the de*ree that #ou’re - eased with that6- eased with Who )ou Are in #our e:-erience0to that de*ree #ou’ stic&$ %ore or ess$ with the creation$ %a&in* on # %inor ad4ust%ents here and there to *et it c oser and c oser to -er'ect! 7ara%ahansa )o*ananda is an e:a%- e o' a -erson who was ver# c ose to 1-er'ect2 as an out0-icturin* o' what he thou*ht o' hi%se '! He had a ver# c ear idea a,out hi%se '$ and a,out his re ationshi- to .e$ and he used his i'e to 1out0-icture2 that! He wanted to e:-erience his idea a,out hi%se ' in his own rea it#/ to &now hi%se ' as that$ e:-erientia #! "a,e Ruth did the sa%e thin*! He had a ver# c ear idea a,out hi%se '$ and his re ationshi- to .e$ and he used his i'e to out0-icture that/ to &now hi%se ' in his own e:-erience! Not %an# -eo- e ive that eve ! Now *ranted$ the .aster and the "a,e had two entire # di''erent ideas a,out the%se ves$ #et the# ,oth - a#ed the% out %a*ni'icent #! The# a so ,oth had di''erent ideas a,out .e$ that’s 'or sure$ and were co%in* 'ro% di''erent eve s o' consciousness a,out Who I A%$ and a,out their true re ationshi- to .e! And those eve s o' consciousness were re' ected in their thou*hts$ words$ and actions! One was in a - ace o' -eace and serenit# %ost o' his i'e$ and ,rou*ht dee- -eace and serenit# to others! The other was in a - ace
o' an:iousness$ tur%oi $ and occasiona an*er ;-articu ar # when he cou dn’t *et his wa#<$ and ,rou*ht tur%oi to the ives o' those around hi%! "oth were *ood0hearted$ however6there was never a so'ter touch than the "a,e0and the di''erence ,etween the two is that one had virtua # nothin* in ter%s o' -h#sica ac+uisitions$ ,ut never wanted %ore than what he *ot$ whi e the other 1had ever#thin*$2 and never *ot what he rea # wanted! I' that were the end o' it 'or Geor*e Her%an$ I su--ose we cou d a 'ee a itt e sad a,out that$ ,ut the sou that e%,odied itse ' as "a,e Ruth is 'ar 'ro% 'inished with this -rocess ca ed evo ution! It has had an o--ortunit# to review the e:-eriences it -roduced 'or itse '$ as we as the e:-eriences it -roduced 'or others$ and now *ets to decide what ne:t it wou d i&e to e:-erience as it see&s to create and re0 create itse ' in *rander and *rander versions! We’ dro- our narrative re*ardin* these two sou s here$ ,ecause ,oth have a read# %ade their ne:t choice re*ardin* what the# want to now e:-erience6and$ in 'act$ ,oth are now e:-eriencin* that! NDW: )ou %ean ,oth have a read# reincarnated into other ,odies( GOD: It wou d ,e a %ista&e to assu%e that reincarnatin*6returnin* to another -h#sica ,od#6was the on # o-tion o-en to the%! NDW: What are the other o-tions( GOD: In truth$ whatever the# want the% to ,e! I’ve a read# e:- ained here what occurs a'ter what #ou ca #our death! So%e sou s 'ee that there is a ot %ore the# wou d i&e to &now$ and so the# 'ind the%se ves *oin* to a 1schoo $2 whereas other sou s6 what #ou ca 1o d sou s26teach the%! And what do the# teach the%( That the# have nothin* to earn! That the# never had an#thin* to earn! That a the# ever had to do was re%e%,er! Re%e%,er Who and What The# Rea # Are! The# are 1tau*ht2 that the e:-erience o' Who The# Are is *ained in the actin* out o' it/ in ,ein* it! The# are re%inded o' this ,# havin* it *ent # shown to the%! Other sou s have a read# re%e%,ered this ,# the ti%e the# *et to6 or soon a'ter the# *et to6the 1other side!2 ;I’% usin* an*ua*e now with which #ou are 'a%i iar$ s-ea&in* in #our vernacu ar$ to &ee-$ as %uch as -ossi, e$ the words out o' the wa#!< These sou s %a# then see& the i%%ediate 4o# o' e:-eriencin* the%se ves as whatever the# wish to 1,e!2 The# %a# se ect 'ro% the %i ion$ &a4i ion as-ects o' .e$ and choose to e:-erience that$ ri*ht then and there! So%e %a# o-t to return to -h#sica 'or% to do that! NDW: An# -h#sica 'or%( GOD: An#! NDW: Then it’s true that sou s cou d return as ani%a s6that God cou d ,e a cow( And that cows rea # are sacred( Ho # cow= GOD: ;Ahe%!< NDW: Sorr#!
GOD: )ou’ve had a who e i'eti%e to do stand0u- co%ed#! And$ ,# the wa#$ oo&in* at #our i'e$ #ou’ve done a -rett# *ood 4o, o' it! Cha0,oo%! That was a ri% shot! I' I had a c#%,a here$ I’d *ive #ou a c#%,a crash! NDW: Than& #ou$ than& #ou! GOD: "ut serious #$ 'o &s!!! The answer to the +uestion #ou are ,asica # as&in*6can a sou return as an ani%a 6is #es$ o' course! The rea +uestion is$ wou d it( The answer is$ -ro,a, # not! NDW: Do ani%a s have sou s( GOD: An#one who has ever stared into the e#es o' an ani%a a read# &nows the answer to that! NDW: Then how do I &now it is not %# *rand%other$ co%e ,ac& as %# cat( GOD: The 7rocess we are discussin* here is evo ution! Se '0creation and evo ution! And evo ution -roceeds one wa#! 9-ward! Ever u-ward! The sou ’s *reatest desire is to e:-erience hi*her and hi*her as-ects o' itse '! And so it see&s to %ove u-ward$ not downward$ on the evo utionar# sca e$ unti it e:-eriences what has ,een ca ed nirvana 6tota Oneness with the A ! That is$ with .e! NDW: "ut i' the sou desires hi*her and hi*her e:-eriences o' itse '$ wh# wou d it even ,other returnin* as a hu%an ,ein*( Sure # that can’t ,e a ste- 1u-ward!2 GOD: I' the sou returns to hu%an 'or%$ it is a wa#s in an e''ort to 'urther e:-erience$ and thus$ 'urther evo ve! There are %an# eve s o' evo ution o,serva, e and de%onstrated in hu%ans! One cou d co%e ,ac& 'or %an# i'eti%es0%an# hundreds o' i'eti%es0and continue to evo ve u-ward! )et u-ward %ove%ent$ the *randest desire o' the sou $ is not achieved with return to a ower i'e 'or%! Thus$ such a return does not occur! Not unti the sou reaches u ti%ate reunion with A That Is! NDW: That %ust %ean there are 1new sou s2 co%in* into the s#ste% ever# da#$ ta&in* ower i'e 'or%s! GOD: No! Ever# sou that was ever created was created At Once! We are a here Now! "ut$ as I have e:- ained ,e'ore$ when a sou ;a -art o' .e< reaches u ti%ate rea i5ation$ it has the o-tion to 1start over$2 to itera # 1'or*et ever#thin*$2 so that it can re%e%,er a over a*ain$ and re0create itse ' anew once %ore! In this wa#$ God continues to re0 e:-erience Itse '! Sou s %a# a so choose to 1rec#c e2 throu*h a -articu ar i'e 'or% at a -articu ar eve as o'ten as the# i&e! Without reincarnation6without the a,i it# to return to a -h#sica 'or% 6the sou wou d have to acco%- ish ever#thin* it see&s to acco%- ish within one i'eti%e$ which is one ,i ion ti%es shorter than the , in& o' an e#e on the cos%ic c oc&! NDW: So$ #es$ o' course$ reincarnation is a 'act! It’s rea $ it’s -ur-ose'u $ and it’s -er'ect!
Multi-dimensional being/Simultaneous Reincarnations/Multiple Bodies at the same time O&a#$ ,ut there’s one thin* I’% con'used a,out! )ou said there is nothin* such as ti%e/ that a thin*s are ha--enin* ri*ht now! Is that correct( GOD: It is! NDW: And then )ou i%- ied6and in "oo& ? )ou went into de-th on this6 that we e:ist 1a the ti%e2 on di''erent eve s$ or at various -oints$ in the S-ace0Ti%e Continuu%! GOD: That’s true! NDW: O&a#$ ,ut now here’s where it *ets cra5#! I' one o' the 1%e’s2 on the S-ace0Ti%e Continuu% 1dies$2 then co%es ,ac& here as another -erson ! ! ! ! ! then ! ! ! ! then$ who a% I( I wou d have to ,e e:istin* as two -eo- e at once! And i' I &e-t on doin* this throu*h a eternit#$ which )ou sa# I do$ then I a% ,ein* a hundred -eo- e at once= A thousand! A %i ion! A %i ion versions o' a %i ion -eo- e at a %i ion -oints on the S-ace0Ti%e Continuu%! GOD: )es! NDW: I don’t understand that! .# %ind can’t *ras- that! GOD: Actua #$ #ou’ve done we ! It’s a ver# advanced conce-t$ and #ou’ve done -rett# we with it! NDW: "ut ! ! ! ! ! ,ut ! ! ! ! ! i' that’s true$ then 1I26the -art o' 1%e2 that is i%%orta 6%ust ,e evo vin* in a ,i ion di''erent wa#s in a ,i ion di''erent 'or%s at a ,i ion di''erent -oints on the Cos%ic Whee in the eterna %o%ent o' now! GOD: Ri*ht a*ain! That’s e:act # what I’% doin*! NDW: No$ no! I said that’s what I %ust ,e doin*! GOD: Ri*ht a*ain! That’s what I 4ust said! NDW: No$ no$ I said6 GOD: I &now what #ou said! )ou said 4ust what I said #ou said! The con'usion here is that #ou sti thin& there’s %ore than one o' 9s here! NDW: There’s not( GOD: There was never %ore than one o' 9s here! Ever! Are #ou 4ust 'indin* that out( NDW: )ou %ean I’ve 4ust ,een ta &in* to %#se ' here( GOD: So%ethin* i&e that! NDW: )ou %ean )ou’re not God(
GOD: That’s not what I said! NDW: )ou %ean )ou are God( GOD: That’s what I said! NDW: "ut i' )ou’re God$ and )ou’re %e$ and I’% )ou6then!!! then!!! I’% God= GOD: Thou art God$ #es! That is correct! )ou *ro& it in 'u ness! NDW: "ut I’% not on # God6I’% a so ever#one e se! GOD: )es! NDW: "ut6does that %ean that no one$ and nothin* e se$ e:ists ,ut %e( GOD: Have I not said$ I and .# 8ather are One( NDW: )es$ ,ut!!! GOD: And have I not said$ We are a One( NDW: )es! "ut I didn’t &now )ou %eant that itera #! I thou*ht )ou %eant that 'i*urative #! I thou*ht it was %ore o' a -hi oso-hica state%ent$ not a state%ent o' 'act! GOD: It’s a state%ent o' 'act! We are a One! That is what is %eant ,# 1whatsoever #e do unto the east o' these!!$ #e do unto %e!2 Do #ou understand now( NDW: )es! GOD: Ah$ at ast! At on* ast! NDW: "ut6)ou’ 'or*ive %e 'or ar*uin* this$ ,ut!!$ when I’% with another6 %# s-ouse 'or instance$ or %# chi dren6it 'ee s that I a% se-arate 'ro% the%/ that the# are other than 1%e!2 GOD: Consciousness is a %arve ous thin*! It can ,e divided into a thousand -ieces! A %i ion! A %i ion ti%es a %i ion! I have divided .#se ' into an in'inite nu%,er o' 1-ieces26so that each 1-iece2 o' .e cou d oo& ,ac& on Itse ' and ,eho d the wonder o' Who and What I A%! NDW: "ut wh# do I have to *o throu*h this -eriod o' 'or*et'u ness/ o' dis,e ie'( I’% sti not tota # ,e ievin*= I’% sti han*in* out in 'or*et'u ness! GOD: Don’t ,e so hard on #our Se '! That’s -art o' The 7rocess! It’s o&a# that it’s ha--enin* this wa#! NDW: Then wh# are )ou te in* %e a this now( GOD: "ecause #ou were startin* not to have 'un! 3i'e was ,e*innin* not to ,e a 4o# an#%ore! )ou were startin* to *et so cau*ht u- in The 7rocess that #ou 'or*ot it was 4ust a -rocess!
And so$ #ou ca ed out to .e! )ou as&ed .e to co%e to #ou/ to he #ou understand/ to show #ou the divine truth/ to revea to #ou the *reatest secret! The secret #ou’ve &e-t 'ro% #ourse '! The secret o' Who )ou Are! Now I have done so! Now$ once a*ain$ #ou have ,een caused to re%e%,er! Wi it %atter( Wi it chan*e how #ou act to%orrow( Wi it cause #ou to see thin*s di''erent # toni*ht( Wi #ou now hea the hurts o' the wounded$ +ue the an:ieties o' the 'ear'u $ %eet the needs o' the i%-overished$ ce e,rate the %a*ni'icence o' the acco%- ished$ and see the vision o' .e ever#where( Wi this atest re%e%,rance o' truth chan*e #our i'e$ and a ow #ou to chan*e the ives o' others( Or wi #ou return to 'or*et'u ness/ 'a ,ac& into se 'ishness/ revisit$ and reside a*ain in$ the s%a ness o' who #ou i%a*ined #ourse ' to ,e ,e'ore this awa&enin*( Which wi it ,e(
@ NDW: 3i'e rea # does *o on 'orever and ever$ doesn’t it( GOD: It %ost certain # does! NDW: There is no end to it! GOD: No end! NDW: Reincarnation is a 'act! GOD: It is! )ou %a# return to %orta 'or%6that is$ a -h#sica 'or% which can 1die26whenever and however #ou wish! NDW: Do we decide when we want to co%e ,ac&( GOD: 1I'2 and 1when26#es! NDW: Do we a so decide when we want to eave( Do we choose when we want to die( GOD: No e:-erience is visited u-on an# sou a*ainst the sou ’s wi ! That is$ ,# de'inition$ not -ossi, e$ since the sou is creatin* ever# e:-erience! The sou wants nothin*! The sou has ever#thin*! A wisdo%$ a &nowin*$ a -ower$ a * or#! The sou is the -art o' )ou which never s ee-s/ never 'or*ets! NDW: Does the sou desire that the ,od# dies( GOD: No! It is the sou ’s desire that #ou never die! )et the sou wi eave the ,od#6chan*e its ,odi # 'or%$ eavin* %ost o' the %ateria ,od# ,ehind6at the dro- o' a hat when it sees no -ur-ose in re%ainin* in that 'or%! NDW: I' it is the sou ’s desire that we never die$ wh# do we( GOD: )ou do not! )ou %ere # chan*e 'or%! NDW: I' it is the sou ’s desire that we never do that$ wh# do we( GOD: That is not the sou ’s desire= )ou are a 1sha-e0shi'ter2= When there is no 'urther use'u ness in sta#in* in a -articu ar 'or%$ the sou chan*es 'or%6wi 'u #$ vo untari #$ 4o#'u #6and %oves on$ on the Cos%ic Whee ! NDW: Ao#'u #( GOD: With *reat 4o#! NDW: No sou dies re*ret'u #( GOD: No sou dies6ever! NDW: I %ean$ no sou has re*rets that the current -h#sica 'or% is
chan*in*/ is a,out to 1die2( GOD: The ,od# never 1dies$2 ,ut %ere # chan*es 'or% with the sou ! )et I understand #our %eanin*$ so 'or now I use the voca,u ar# #ou have esta, ished! I' #ou have a c ear understandin* o' what #ou wish to create with re*ard to what #ou have chosen to ca the a'ter i'e$ or i' #ou have a c ear set o' ,e ie's that su--ort an a'ter0death e:-erience o' reunitin* with God$ then$ no$ the sou never$ ever has re*rets over what #ou ca death! Death in that instance is a * orious %o%ent/ a wonder'u e:-erience! Now the sou can return to its natura 'or%/ its nor%a state! There is an incredi, e i*htness/ a sense o' tota 'reedo%/ a i%it essness! And an awareness o' Oneness that is at once , iss'u and su, i%e! It is not -ossi, e 'or the sou to re*ret such a shi't! NDW: )ou’re sa#in*$ then$ that death is a ha--# e:-erience( GOD: 8or the sou that wishes it to ,e$ #es$ a wa#s! NDW: We $ i' the sou wants out o' the ,od# so ,ad$ wh# doesn’t it 4ust eave it( Wh# is it han*in* around( GOD: I did not sa# the sou 1wants out o' the ,od#$2 I said the sou is 4o#'u when it is out! Those are two di''erent thin*s! )ou can ,e ha--# doin* one thin*$ and ha--# then doin* another! The 'act that #ou are 4o#'u doin* the second does not %ean #ou were unha--# doin* the 'irst! The sou is not unha--# ,ein* with the ,od#! >uite to the contrar#$ the sou is - eased to ,e #ou in #our -resent 'or%! That does not -rec ude the -ossi,i it# that the sou %i*ht ,e e+ua # - eased to ,e disconnected 'ro% it! NDW: There is o,vious # %uch a,out death I do not understand! GOD: )es$ and that is ,ecause #ou do not i&e to thin& a,out it! )et #ou %ust conte%- ate death and oss the instant #ou -erceive an# %o%ent o' i'e$ or #ou wi not have -erceived i'e at a $ ,ut &now on # the ha ' o' it! Each %o%ent ends the instant it ,e*ins! I' #ou do not see this$ #ou wi not see what is e:+uisite in it$ and #ou wi ca the %o%ent ordinar#! Each interaction 1,e*ins to end2 the instant it 1,e*ins to ,e*in!2 On # when this is tru # conte%- ated and dee- # understood does the 'u treasure o' ever# %o%ent6and o' i'e itse '6o-en to #ou! 3i'e cannot *ive itse ' to #ou i' #ou do not understand death! )ou %ust do %ore than understand it! )ou %ust ove it$ even as #ou ove i'e! )our ti%e with each -erson wou d ,e * ori'ied i' #ou thou*ht it was #our ast ti%e with that -erson! )our e:-erience o' each %o%ent wou d ,e enhanced ,e#ond %easure i' #ou thou*ht it was the ast such %o%ent! )our re'usa to conte%- ate #our own death eads to #our re'usa to conte%- ate #our own i'e! )ou do not see it 'or what it is! )ou %iss the %o%ent$ and a it ho ds 'or #ou! )ou oo& ri*ht -ast it instead o' ri*ht throu*h it!
When #ou oo& dee- # at so%ethin*$ #ou see ri*ht throu*h it! To conte%- ate a thin* dee- # is to see ri*ht throu*h it! Then the i usion ceases to e:ist! Then #ou see a thin* 'or what it rea # is! On # then can #ou tru # en4o# it6that is$ - ace 4o# into it! ;To 1en04o#2 is to ren der so%ethin* 4o#'u !< Even the i usion #ou can then en4o#! 8or #ou wi &now it is an i usion$ and that is ha ' the en4o#%ent= It is the 'act that #ou thin& it is rea that causes #ou a the -ain! Nothin* is -ain'u which #ou understand is not rea ! 3et .e re-eat that! Nothin* is -ain'u which #ou understand is not rea ! It is i&e a %ovie$ a dra%a$ - a#ed out on the sta*e o' #our %ind! )ou are creatin* the situation and the characters! )ou are writin* the ines! Nothin* is -ain'u the %o%ent #ou understand that nothin* is rea ! This is as true o' death as it is o' i'e! When #ou understand that death$ too$ is an i usion$ then #ou can sa#$ 1B death$ where is th# stin*(2 )ou can even en4o# death= )ou can even en4o# so%eone e se’s death! NDW: Does that see% stran*e( Does that see% a stran*e thin* to sa#( GOD: On # i' #ou do not understand death6and i'e! Death is never an end$ ,ut a wa#s a ,e*innin*! A death is a door o-enin*$ not a door c osin*! When #ou understand that i'e is eterna $ #ou understand that death is #our i usion$ &ee-in* #ou ver# concerned with$ and there'ore he -in* #ou ,e ieve that #ou are$ #our ,od#! )et #ou are not #our ,od#$ and so the destruction o' #our ,od# is o' no concern to #ou! Death shou d teach #ou that what is rea is i'e! And i'e teaches #ou that what is unavoida, e is not death$ ,ut i%-er%anence! I%-er%anence is the on # truth! Nothin* is -er%anent! A is chan*in*! In ever# instant! In ever# %o%ent! Were an#thin* -er%anent$ it cou d not ,e! 8or even the ver# conce-t o' -er%anence de-ends u-on i%-er%anence to have an# %eanin*! There'ore$ even -er%anence is i%-er%anent! 3oo& at this dee- #! Conte%- ate this truth! Co%-rehend it$ and #ou co%-rehend God! This is the Dhar%a$ and this is the "uddha! This is the "uddha Dhar%a! This is the teachin* and the teacher! This is the esson and the %aster! This is the o,4ect and the o,server$ ro ed into one! The# never have ,een other than One! It is #ou who have unro ed the%$ so that #our i'e %a# unro ,e'ore #ou! )et as #ou watch #our own i'e ro out ,e'ore #ou$ do not #ourse ' ,eco%e unrave ed! Cee- #our Se ' to*ether= See the i usion= En4o# it= "ut do not ,eco%e it= )ou are not the i usion$ ,ut the creator o' it! )ou are in this wor d$ ,ut not o' it! So use #our i usion o' death! 9se it= A ow it to ,e the &e# that o-ens #ou to %ore o' i'e! See the ' ower as d#in* and #ou wi see the ' ower sad #! )et see the ' ower as -art o' a who e tree that is chan*in*$ and wi soon ,ear 'ruit$ and #ou see the ' ower’s true ,eaut#! When #ou understand that the , osso%in* and the 'a in* awa# o' the ' ower is a si*n that the tree is read# to ,ear 'ruit$ then #ou understand i'e! 3oo& at this care'u # and #ou wi see that i'e is its own %eta-hor!
A wa#s re%e%,er$ #ou are not the ' ower$ nor are #ou even the 'ruit! )ou are the tree! And #our roots are dee-$ e%,edded in .e! I a% the soi 'ro% which #ou have s-run*$ and ,oth #our , osso%s and #our 'ruit wi return to .e$ creatin* %ore rich soi ! Thus$ i'e ,e*ets i'e$ and cannot &now death$ ever! NDW: That is so ,eauti'u ! That is so$ so ,eauti'u ! Than& )ou!
Source: Conversations with God$ ,oo& D$ cha-ter E Nea e Dona d Wa sch
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