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Damned Fucking Shit Edited by Access Denied Issue #6 Title: CyberSpace and The Freak Scene BBS Date: 10/4/93 By: Dr. Techno ÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅ Date:October 2, 1993 Time:15:26 Location:Somewhere in CyberSpace Author:Dr. Techno of Black Enterprises.

Well, The following dialouge is from a bbs that ran in Sheboygan during the summer of 1993 called Freak Scene. I'm not sure of it's were about's as of now. Rumor has it that it's being run in Madison. Oh well, enjoy this stuff. There's alot to be learned from it.

1/38: Ok, I may have waited too long for this... Name: Rapunzel #1 Date: Wed Jul 14 16:26:49 1993

I have already seen quite a few posts that belong on this base...

So let's get down to business. I want to hear what YOU think about

=-> Is there a cyberpunk movement? If so, what is it? What is important about it and what drives it?

=-> Have you read Neuromancer? Are you impressed or not?

=-> Does anyone outside the net HAVE A CLUE about the movement? How many people are reached? What is the extent of the movement as far as society goes?

=-> Raves, Ecstasy, AI, h/p, techno music, and whatever else you consider a little bit Cyberpunk.

I would appreciate anyone who knows to give a definition of any basic cyberpunk terms, as even I get confused by the onslaught of new terminology. [PAUSE] (I guess I should say for legal reasons that I find illegal activity despicable, like h/p and whatever. Just watch it, okay?)

Rapunzel

2/38: hee hee Name: Kali #22 Date: Thu Jul 15 23:58:56 1993

i have never been to a rave...want to though (oops, i mean I WOULD NEVER GO TO ANYTHING AS UNCLEAN MORALLY AS A RAVE ;)). Repeat after me and all that...

can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of Neuromancer to read (short of Waldenbooks.U.'Post Hard' (stolen from P.T..) I so want to read it..V.. ok? 4/38: Rave on Name: Rapunzel #1 Date: Fri Jul 16 16:00:47 1993 RE: Rave? BY: Butt-Head #35 Å Would someone please tell me what a rave is???? . Kali .) 3/38: Rave? Name: Butt-Head #35 Date: Fri Jul 16 01:32:10 1993 RE: hee hee BY: Kali #22 Would someone please tell me what a rave is???? Please???? I'll give you a dollar. but THE LIBRARY HAS IT NOT! Oh well..

I've never been to a rave. It is a stunning and excellent science fiction book. typically ecstasy. Usually Raves are accompanied by drugs. a rave is a gathering of cyberpunks in some secret place where we/they play industrial/techno music really loud and dance and wear funny clothes and blow whistles and wear masks (well. but I don't see what makes it so special as to have a huge influence on the Cyberpunk movement. some of them anyway). Later I heard it was a bunch of ecstasy freaks. (All year in Madison someone was running around chalking E's and e's all over the school. :) Rapunzel 6/38: Neuromancer Name: Rapunzel #1 Date: Mon Jul 19 22:08:27 1993 I am about three-quarters of the way through Neuromancer.) That's why they are kind of secretive about them sometimes. But maybe you could give me. . My loss.Å Å Å Please???? I'll give you a dollar. fifty cents for this attempted explanation. [PAUSE] say. I guess. ok? As well as I understand it.

I do love the terminology! I want to refer to using the BBS net as 'jacking in' and my physical body as 'meat'. Rapunzel 14/38: Well Name: Dr. What do Molly's sunglasses look like (other than mirrored?). Well. I may have waited too long for this.. or there will be hell to pay! Boy is it hot. This base is a good start . but then I saw them portrayed as something like those classic black cheap ones (like in Risky Business) but with mirrored lenses.. I imagined them as wire rimmed. Is Neuromancer a movie yet? Will it be one soon? I hope they do a good job of it if they do. BY: Rapunzel #1 I'm not gonna quote you cause I don't have the energy but How can all of you people sit around and discuss "CYBERPUNK" My advice to all of you is if you're interested in it. Techno #37 Date: Thu Jul 22 21:48:46 1993 RE: Ok. rely in something more than what Time Magazine or Connie Chung Tell's you.

I don't consider myself a cyberpunk. and have done numerous other things. information will be restricted and the majority of us will be and are already being manipulated. Pretty soon. People like those in Management information systems hold the knowledge. <===== I like that word. sorts of underground events.Well. Technology will be controlled by those with the power and wealth. You can classify our civilization as in The Information Age. Have taken X. I really hate ths shit. Partaken in underground activities. You are part of the computer Well. literate society. CONSIDER YOURSELVe's lucky. have lived out the media definition. it is happening already. Been to all I go to raves. It only allows me 50 lines or so DShit 15/38: hi Name: Dr. have been busted for hacking. here's some more info. Techno #37 Date: Thu Jul 22 21:52:03 1993 . by idiots who That was a word defined [PAUSE] really have no idea how the majority of the people in the underground movement feel.

i mean I WOULD NEVER GO TO >ANYTHING AS UNCLEAN MORALLY AS A RAVE . The scene is sold out and lots of lame people go there.. it is probably too late.want to though (oops..V.U. Oh well. SoundLAb is going on On SAt. I still advise you get to one before they start haveing them At the Bradley Center being sponsored by the local church ") .. There is a Rave going on on the 31st of july I believe...))..) I so want to read it.. As I speek an underground club event is going on tonight in Milwaukee.'Post Hard' (stolen from P.RE: hee hee BY: Kali #22 >i have never been to a rave.) Well. > >can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of Neuromancer to read (short of >Waldenbooks.T. [PAUSE] All of you who want to witness the underground at a rave. Hmm. > >Kali .. but THE LIBRARY HAS IT NOT! > >Oh well... Repeat after me and all that.

For Rave info call drop basss network at 414. 16/38: yah Name: Dr.256. Techno #37 Date: Thu Jul 22 21:53:37 1993 RE: Rave on BY: Rapunzel #1 Trying to define underground things defeats the Whole Ideal of the underground especially if YOu don't know what you're talking about.1733 It's ld for you all but it'll only cost like 30 cents for the call dt. YOU've described the sold out version of raves. dr. techno 17/38: Bite on Name: Rapunzel #1 .

Date: Thu Jul 22 22:52:23 1993 RE: yah BY: Dr. Techno #37 ÅTrying to define underground things defeats the Whole Ideal of the underground Åespecially if YOu don't know what you're talking about. What is not a sell out to you? You are a part of the ultimate sell out! Afraid to hold on to anything because the mainstream might attempt to assimilate it tomorrow! I am sick and tired of elitist alternative types! You [PAUSE] have just shared three long posts with us about NOTHING because that's what you're all about! Itchin to be Bitchin Rapunzel . Then what IS your definition of rave. our lily-livered waffling doctor? This question was asked quite some time ago and as you were not available with your omniscience some of us had to feebly attempt to SPREAD the INFORMATION about WHAT'S GOING ON. ÅYOU've described the sold out version of raves. you who obviously knows what you are talking about. self-declared non-cyberpunk. trying to stay on the cutting edge by putting down anything that has been around more than a week.

yes I've done the "X"(I like how you put that). you are to the point of being a hypocrite. you have a point. I for one am who I am and am damn proud of it.18/38: Uhhh. Rapunzel is right tho. your type really makes me puke. but you don't have to go brag about it and try to put everyone else down. You see. that don't cut it with me. Yes. Techno. Be like me. I've never been busted for hacking. The whole idea of underground is secret. Name: Nightsky #9 Date: Fri Jul 23 01:25:47 1993 You people are hopeless. you should try to be more natural. yes I've gone to raves. but now when you try to be like all the other alternatives. get what I'm saying? Sure. More or less man.. What you were mostly saying is "Be like me. . your ideas and stuff like that don't bother me. altho not as much as you say you are. Dr. I am the picture perfect frame of the alternative person" Well. being alternative is cool. I could care less. more or less. but there are those of us who are in that scene also.

>What is not a sell out to you? You are a part of the ultimate sell out! >Afraid to hold on to anything because the mainstream might . Nightsky 26/38: fuck you Name: Dr. our >lily-livered waffling doctor? This question was asked quite some time ago and >as you were not available with your omniscience some of us had to feebly >attempt to SPREAD the INFORMATION about WHAT'S GOING ON. Ok? Thanks.[PAUSE] We don't want to hear about your feats or anything so take and shove where the sun don't shine. trying to stay on the cutting edge >by putting down anything that has been around more than a week. self-declared non-cyberpunk. Techno #37 Date: Mon Jul 26 22:22:16 1993 RE: Bite on BY: Rapunzel #1 >Then what IS your definition of rave. you who obviously knows what you are >talking about. Pissed off big time.

enter reality.^26). (I'll continue this) Read:(1-38. Maybe Did you ever get chased by gangs. I don't know.attempt to >assimilate it tomorrow! I am sick and tired of elitist alternative types! Yo >have just shared three long posts with us about NOTHING because that's what >you're all about! > >Itchin to be Bitchin >Rapunzel You probably live in a fairy tale world.? : 27/38: continued Name: Dr. people have never been in the real world. and almost get kicked out of school???? [PAUSE] Have you ever been arrested. Dreamin about raves and Thinking your a cool alternative freak. Techno #37 . Do you have friends who've died from drugs??? relatives??? How was highschool???? busted for hacking. but Allot of you Grow up.

. Shit. not corporate assholes who have lots of money. It's quite the opposite.. we both may be white. Open your eyes. I only have enough money for like 1 semester. Some of us don't know where we'll be in a month.. This isn't the land of the free and home of the brave. and bought there little kiddie a computer. If only you could wake up.. [PAUSE] You're just another one of those Wisconsin Hillbilly hicks who thinks theie totally Avant Guarde.. you're going to college right.Date: Mon Jul 26 22:27:16 1993 Did you know what alternative was before You saw 120 minutes on MTV??? Do you think this is the fucking 60's?????? Wake up!!! This world is fucked up. Shit. but But we hold different ideals and . Societys in fucking decay splintering into millions of cultures. Shit... My parents were real people... Ever been out of WI?????? HUH???? Probably not.

Techno #37 Date: Mon Jul 26 22:29:31 1993 I don't judge people by one message I've read on a fucking LIFELESS computer.) ` 28/38: more shit Name: Dr. For all you could know.. I hope you haven't judged me either. act differently. . Maybe a Gay military General. maybe I'm a football Jock? Maybe I'm a lesbian. we speak differetly.values.. I could be an 81 year old grandpa doing this as a joke. How do you know if you haven't been where I've been? Do you see where I'm coming from? peace and Love DR. TEchno Don't judge lest you be judged. We're human aren't we not??????? Guess what????? I still haven't judged you by anyhting you've posted here nore will I ever judge you (I'll continue this.

It makes me sick the way You PAss Judgement. killers. Society says I am. . So what you say??? You hate me you say??? You don't know me. I repect everybody. Almost everybody People like rapists. Techno #37 Date: Mon Jul 26 22:33:48 1993 RE: Uhhh. etc. BY: Nightsky #9 Well. You can't know me from what I post.29/38: I don't believe it Name: Dr. have no place here. I never really considered myself alternative. [PAUSE] I repsect you for your comments. but How can we all get along if we are all so quick to judge. The media say's I am. I posted those messages Partly to see how people would judge me. Cool Mr. Yah..

techno 30/38: Mais oui Name: Rapunzel #1 Date: Mon Jul 26 23:27:35 1993 RE: fuck you BY: Dr. Dreamin about raves and Thinking you a cool alternative freak. ^Of course! That's why I am Rapunzel. ^I never said I'd been to a rave or that I considered myself alternative. ^What qualifies you to define reality? 31/38: Hillbilly hick Name: Rapunzel #1 Date: Mon Jul 26 23:46:46 1993 . Techno #37 ÅYou probably live in a fairy tale world. ÅGrow up. Where are you getting this? (sorry.dr. You are the self-proclaimed society-proclaimed according to yourself) alternative. enter reality.

And stop picking on my poor 'rental units. take it out on me. you were saying?) ÅSome of us don't know where we'll be in a month. Techno #37 ÅDid you know what alternative was before You saw 120 minutes on MTV? ^Some of us poor hillbilly hicks don't have MTV.. for example. . Shit. (What the hell is 120 minutes? 120 minutes of what? I still don't know what alternative is.RE: continued BY: Dr. And this is my fault. I think that it's a good thing. Why is multiculturalism bad? . My parents were real Åpeople.. They try their best. I wish everyone could get a fair start.. nor do I claim to. you're going to colleg Åright. Please..... Like me. [PAUSE] I'm aware that the world. is going multicultural.. Why don't I give up all of my material possessions to make it better? I KNOW how lucky I am! I would be stupid not to see it. It's unrealistic to and impractical to think that 5 billion people (or the whatever hundred American million) could share a culture. not corporate assholes who have lots of money. ^You're absolutely right. I only have enough money for like 1 semester.next subject. and bought there little Åkiddie a computer. but they don't. particularly this country.

I am an inconsistent bitch! Thank you for the posts. Techno #37 ÅHow do you know if you haven't been where I've been? Å ÅDo you see where I'm coming from? Maybe you should tell us where you've been. (Yes I'm serious.) Have some milk and sit down and tell us about it before some innocent bystander gets disemboweled. Name: Rapunzel #1 Date: Mon Jul 26 23:50:15 1993 RE: more shit BY: Dr.) What the hell? Sure.. but at least I'm not too hypocritical to admit it. ÅYou're just another one of those Wisconsin Hillbilly hicks who thinks theie Åtotally Avant Guarde.BUT this is my favorite part. dear Doctor. . I'm judging what you say.. -andÅGuess what????? I still haven't judged you by anyhting you've posted here nor Åwill I ever judge you (I'll continue this. I like stories. Rapunzel 32/38: Well the logical conclusion then. dammit.

Name: Mick #13 Date: Tue Jul 27 02:04:56 1993 RE: continued BY: Dr. DT> . DT> DT> Ever been out of WI?????? HUH???? DT> DT> Probably not. Rapunzel [PAUSE] (waiting for the bedtime story) Read:(1-38.. not DT> corporate assholes who have lots of money. Techno #37 DT> Some of us don't know where we'll be in a month.. I only have enough money for DT> like 1 semester.Åpeace and Love You and your fairy tale world.. and bought there DT> little kiddie a computer. Shit.? : 33/38: Blah. My parents were real people.^32). :) Good night. DT> you're going to college right..

Went to college a bit. but what the hell. I've been out of WI.. 34/38: Again. I've even been on those things they call airplanes. and almost get kicked DT> out of school???? 1. 2. I know this wasn't directed at me. I've had friends and relatives die. I dropped out of school.. Dropped out. My parent's were real people. Hick? Sure. Busted for hacking? No. Name: Mick #13 Date: Tue Jul 27 02:10:03 1993 RE: continued BY: Dr. Geez. DT> Do you have friends who've died from drugs??? DT> relatives??? How was highschool???? Maybe Did you ever get DT> chased by gangs. They didn't buy me a computer. I'm not stupid.. 3. 3. Dreamin about .DT> You're just another one of those Wisconsin Hillbilly hicks DT> who thinks theie totally Avant Guarde. I'll reply anyway. [PAUSE] 1. busted for hacking. Many times. Techno #37 DT> You probably live in a fairy tale world. Yes. I'm not going to college. 2. 3.

Dr. not to wear the in or stylish thing. . but unlike how you seem to portray yourself. but Allot of you people have never been in the real DT> world. Mick 35/38: agreed Name: Nightsky #9 Date: Tue Jul 27 03:27:22 1993 RE: Again. What the hell is wrong with just bing yourself these days. I wear many earrings. I shave my head because I want to. Sorry. do seem to have an attitude problem. Techno. I don't DT> know.. I don't have a need to fit in and be labeled with any group whether that be 'alternative' or not. You. The way you live is not better than mine or the other way around.. not because it's cool to certain people. because I want to.DT> raves and Thinking your a cool alternative freak. BY: Mick #13 You are who you are.. Nobody can put you in a class... I dress how I want to dress.

TECHNO!!! Geez.. It was in response to the only definition of raves I had to give..Not a chickenshit 37/38: Post wars Name: Rapunzel #1 Date: Tue Jul 27 15:43:00 1993 Funky Kali >> Stop being so judgemental of everyone (ESPECIALLY POOR DR.. everyone mentally beating up on him. everyone mentally beating up on him. the poor guy. the poor guy.) I know nobody likes being judgemental.. Stop being so judgemental of everyone (ESPECIALLY POOR DR. which was admittedly inadequate and a .TECHNO!!! Geez. I did not put it up so that people could bash me for fun. why is that? There are just some times when it is more adventageous to NOT have your name standing there prominently at the top of your message. and to everyone else who was saying that people are chicken shits for not posting their name on EVERY-FUCKING-POST. but I don't feel like sitting here being abused on my own board..Oh. Here is the post that started it.) Kali ..

Techno's post >> Dr. YOU've described the sold out version of raves. [PAUSE] dr. Techno #37 Thu Jul 22 21:53:37 1993 RE: Rave on BY: Rapunzel #1 Trying to define underground things defeats the Whole Ideal of the underground especially if YOu don't know what you're talking about. techno This is not a horrible post. or its users. I think it ruins the atmosphere and that royally pisses me off. but I think that this was pretentious and overly hostile. Dr. is so proud of being estranged that he takes our written beatings as compliment. If he cared he would have indicated as such. I don't see why I should sit here and enjoy it whenever some user thinks they can take out their hostility on me. Sometimes even freaks don't understand them. Rapunzel BTW I think that the Dr. this board.bland post. Such are freaks. .

techno 39/39: to everybody Name: Dr.38/38: duh Name: Dr. I'll give anybody on this board a copy if yah want. I posted those messages Just to see how you'd all react. I really thank everybody for all the discussion . Techno #37 Date: Tue Jul 27 18:47:32 1993 Well. I'm kinda suprised and Allot of the reactions I wasn't as suprised about.. I've seen lots of hatred here and people caught up in discussions that really don't mean much at all. BY: Mick #13 Well. Techno #37 Date: Tue Jul 27 18:33:30 1993 RE: Again. I'm going to use my findiungs for a research/paper I'm writing about people. Thanks for all the feedback hehehe dr.

by the way they dress. thats all for now. Society is decaying in many parts. I advise eevrybody to show more love to everybody else. Our world is disappearing fast. YOu can't judge others By mere statements on a bbs. Well. I've captured all of the posts and are using them in a research paper/informative paper I'm writing. People have to realise that people are people. etc. I'll upload a copy here when I'm done with it if that's possible. I'll let everybody think about that.that went on here. Techno A soul in Black Log Off? Yes Time on = 00:19:53 _____________________________ ______________________________________ ___________________________________________ ___________________________________________ ________________________________________________ _________________________________________________ ____________________________________________ . People just don't care about other people. Dr. and it was proven here.

And I've seen the hate of the women too. 'Let He who is without sin cast the First Stone' Since all of ya'll like casting stones at averybody I assume you're all perfect.. THe last time I logged on I requested that my acct. Let me leave you with one quote from a New Order Song 'I've seen what man can do. There it was. that was the second to the last time I logged on that board._______________________________________ ____You _______________________ _________________________________are _____________________________ _________________leaving _______ _________________________________________ __________FREAK __________ ____________ ______________________________________ ________SCENE __________________ ____________________________________________ ____ NO CARRIER Well. I'd really appreciate some feed back as to what you thought of the dialogue that transpired those summer days in cyberspace." Well.. . be destroyed. I hope you enjoyed It. and left a post something like this.

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