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Transcript of the Testimony of Jacob Skouby Date: November 19, 2013 Volume: I Case: In

Transcript of the Testimony of Jacob Skouby

Date: November 19, 2013 Volume: I

Case: In Re: Joplin Critical Investigation

Printed On: December 1, 2013

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Jacob Skouby

In Re: Joplin Critical Investigation

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IN RE: JOPLIN CRITICAL INVESTIGATION

TELEPHONE SWORN STATEMENT OF

JACOB SKOUBY

Taken on Tuesday, November 19, 2013, from 3:10 p.m. to 3:16

p.m., at the law offices of Juddson H. McPherson, LLC, 626

S. Byers, in the City of Joplin, County of Jasper, State of

Missouri, before

SHARON K. ROGERS, C.C.R.650,

a Certified Court Reporter and a Notary Public within and

for the County of Jasper, and State of Missouri.

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Jacob Skouby In Re: Joplin Critical Investigation APPEARANCES MR. THOMAS E. LORAINE Loraine & Associates, LLC

APPEARANCES

MR. THOMAS E. LORAINE

Loraine & Associates, LLC

4075 Osage Beach Pkwy., Suite 300

Osage Beach, MO 65065

tellaw@loraineandassociates.com

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Jacob Skouby In Re: Joplin Critical Investigation S T I P U L A T I

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IT IS HEREBY STIPULATED AND AGREED that this Sworn

Statement may be taken by steno-mask type recording by

SHARON K. ROGERS, a Certified Court Reporter, and

afterwards reduced into typewriting.

It is further stipulated the signature of the witness is

hereby waived, and that said Sworn Statement of said

witness shall be of the same force and effect as though

said witness had read and signed Sworn Statement.

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  Page 5 1 JACOB SKOUBY   2 DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. LORAINE:   3
 

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JACOB SKOUBY

 

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DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. LORAINE:

 

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Q.

This is Tom Loraine.

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A.

Yes, sir.

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Q. I've been appointed as the Critical

 

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Investigator for the City of Joplin. I

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assume you've heard that. I don't know if

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you have or not.

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A.

I have.

I was familiar with it, yes.

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Q.

Well, there's two things I wanted to talk to

 

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you about. The first is a light matter, I

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think, but as a county prosecutor do you know

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anything that I should look at given my

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topics? The topics are number one, anything

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about Bill Scearce and his alleged gambling;

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number two, Woolston and his alleged land

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dealing; and the third is anything that the

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City management might be doing improperly or

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unethically or illegally. Those are the

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three topics I've been assigned.

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Well, I don't know of any.

I know both Bill

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and Mike and I think, I mean I don't know of

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any wrongdoing. I've never heard of any

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wrongdoing involving either one of them.

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Q.

So there is nothing that you're aware of as a

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  Page 6 1 prosecutor? 2 A. Not personally or in a professional manner,  
 

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prosecutor?

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A. Not personally or in a professional manner,

 

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no, nobody has ever come to me.

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Q. Okay.

I appreciate that very much. The

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other thing is I wanted to know, your name

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was given to me and I'm an Elk in Osage Beach

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so I know how those things go, you know, but

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I'm told that you were somehow involved in a

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purchase of the Elks woodland property after

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it was no longer a woodland.

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A. Correct.

I'm Exalted Ruler this year so

 

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until April I should sign off on that thing

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because our trustees did, but yeah, I was

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involved in negotiating it and reading it on

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the floor and bringing it in front of the

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members to vote on it.

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Q. Was the price a proper price in your opinion?

 

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A.

In my opinion it was.

I was told that was

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the going price. We had some realtors that

 

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are members, they thought we should hold out

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for more, but, you know, we had --

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Q. They didn't have the listing.

 

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A.

Right, they didn't have the listing. And it

 

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just seemed like good money for the rest of

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it, we had some debt and a mortgage on our

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  Page 7 1 new building, our old building got taken out 2 by the
 

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new building, our old building got taken out

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by the tornado so we built a new building and

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we had some debt.

It was a good deal for us,

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but I don't think he paid us anymore than -

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he being Gary Box - I don't think he paid us

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anymore than he paid anybody else.

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Q. Who negotiated the deal on behalf of the

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City?

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A.

We never dealt with the City.

 

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Q.

Oh, okay.

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A.

I mean it was private property.

It was our

 

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property in the back, it belonged to the Elks

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in the back.

We had 5, almost 6 acres back

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there that was woodland, but the tornado took

 

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out a bunch of the trees and then we

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bulldozed a bunch of the trees and the

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barrier back there and, you know, we weren't

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using the land for anything so when they made

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the offer we jumped on it.

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Q.

So the land, it was $3.00 a square foot I am

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understating? If you know.

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A.

We had two offers.

One to keep it a green

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space and one to build houses on it, and I

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don't have the paperwork in front of me, but

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it was right around 3,000 square foot, yeah.

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  Page 8 1 Q. Okay. Did you deal with any other Elk 2 members
 

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Q.

Okay.

Did you deal with any other Elk

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members that might be on the City Council on

 

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this matter?

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A.

No, I think we have two others - I know Bill

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is a member and I think --

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Q. That would be Scearce?

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A.

Yeah, Bill Scearce is a member out there as

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is --

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Q.

Mr. Golden?

 

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A.

Right, right, right. He never ever had

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anything to do with it. They never tried to

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- no, they were never in the negotiation of

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it. We were on our side. Wallace-Bajjali,

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they were trying to also get the land to our

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southwest to get access, but those people

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wouldn't sell, they wanted a ridiculous

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amount of money so they needed our land we

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were told for the green space, and then they

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had to buy, get an easement to get from the

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land for east on the property. They also

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wanted access from the west on Adele Street

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so Wallace-Bajjali also bought some land from

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I think Satterlee's. I believe they owned

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it.

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Q.

As far as you understand --

 

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  Page 9 1 A. Wallace-Bajjali gave them the same they gave 2 us. They
 

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A. Wallace-Bajjali gave them the same they gave

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us. They assured us that we weren't getting

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less.

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Q. As far as you understand Woolston was not

 

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involved with any of your transaction?

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A. Correct, he didn't have anything to do with

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it. We dealt directly with Wallace-Bajjali

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through their employee, Gary Box.

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Q.

All right.

Thank you.

I'm sorry for taking

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your time, I'm just trying to follow-up every

 

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lead, you know, so I don't get criticized,

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you know.

 

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A. Yeah, yeah, there's going to be criticism

 

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whatever. I mean that's the way it works.

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If they're not in jail there are going to be

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people that thinks there's cover-ups.

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Q. Absolutely.

 

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A.

That's just the way it is.

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Q.

Well, I just want to follow-up every lead I

 

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can.

I really thank you very much for your

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help.

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A.

All right.

If anything else comes up don't

 

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hesitate to call.

 

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Q.

All right.

Thank you, sir.

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(SWORN STATEMENT CONCLUDED)

 

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Jacob Skouby In Re: Joplin Critical Investigation REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE STATE OF MISSOURI ss. COUNTY OF JASPER

REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE

STATE OF MISSOURI

ss.

COUNTY OF JASPER

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I, SHARON K. ROGERS, Certified Court Reporter in the

State of Missouri, do certify that pursuant to the

foregoing Stipulation the witness came before me on the

19th day of November, 2013, was duly sworn by me, and was

examined. That examination was then taken by me by

steno-mask recording and afterwards transcribed; said Sworn

Statement is subscribed by the witness as hereinbefore set

out on the day in that behalf aforesaid and is herewith

returned.

I further certify that I am not counsel, attorney, or

relative of either party, or clerk, or stenographer of

either party or of the attorney of either party, or

otherwise interested in the event of this suit.

SHARON K. ROGERS, CCR-650

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