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1be iftb vterrier of Dr. ]avi..ov ^ervaa exposes a undamental deception that aects humanity
across eery dimension o lie. 1his deception is that our three-dimensional reality and human
consciousness hae been programmed to be perceied as real, when they are not.

1his is clearly a ery bold assertion, and is not made lightly.

In this ith interiew, Dr. Neruda explains the orces behind this deception, what their agenda
is, how humanity has been enslaed rom its inception to today, and what we can do about it. It
is, understandably, an unsettling narratie. Ater all, it exposes a reality where humans are
biological hosts o ininite beings, suppressed by deceptie programs designed by entities rom
a dierent dimension. lumanity is unaware that we lie in a designed reality, and that that
designed reality includes. eerything.

Oer the past iteen years, there hae been indiiduals who hae written and spoken about
certain aspects o this deception. lrom the scientiic community, indiiduals like lerman
Verlinde, Dr. Robert Lanza, Leonard Susskind, Gerard t'loot and James Gates. lrom the
technical ield, NASA engineer 1homas Campbell. lrom a more philosophical perspectie,
authors like Nick Bostrom and Anthony Peake. Scientiic papers, too, hae been released in this
emerging ield o reality deinition like: Cov.traivt. ov tbe |virer.e a. a ^vvericat ivvtatiov by
Beane, Daoudi and Saage. 1hese indiiduals, and others like them, are hypothesizing that our
unierse was designed through mathematics or computer code.

1his topic is relatiely o-limits, resered or theoretical and heretical thinkers. It shocks people
signiicantly more than the discussions o UlOs or goernment conspiracies, because it is so
undamental. It is our reatit,, and the only logical conclusion we can draw is that we are
prisoners in a deceptie reality. It makes reality eel like a lab, and we are the unsuspecting lab

lrom the spiritual side, many o our mystics and religious ounders hae reported that both our
perception o the unierse, and the unierse itsel, is an illusion. 1his theme is consistent in
religious and spiritual writings throughout the ages. And while the mystics lacked the scientiic
ocabulary to deine the scope o this illusion, they neertheless understood that we, as
indiiduals, walk our lies through an illusory world that scientists are increasingly describing as
a rogravvea reatit,. 1he question that rises to the top is: \ho or what is programming our
reality and why`

It is to this question that 1be iftb vterrier of Dr. ]avi..ov ^ervaa seeks to answer and explain in
layperson terms. It is understandable that those with a scientiic or religious training will ind
this disclosure diicult, i not impossible, to beliee. Dr. Neruda is not trying to conince
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anyone, he merely presents a narratie or how this happened, why it happened, where it is
trying to lead humanity, and most importantly, how we can break out o the programming-all
o us.

1his interiew is vot concentrated on the scientiic realm. 1he science behind the lologram o
Deception is not based on the mathematics or physics o our spacetime. Its complexity and
sophistication is well beyond our current understanding, so the attempt to deine it in scientiic
terms would be an impossible undertaking. Len i it were possible, it would only muddle the
real import o this inormation in arcane ocabulary and mathematics.

1he true ocus o the ith interiew isn`t the scientiic deinition o the lologram o
Deception, but rather how re can ree ourseles rom its perasie and illusory presence. 1he
Soereign Integral process is deined in this interiew in detail, but you may hae to read
careully to hear and understand it. 1his process is truly the centerpiece o the ith interiew.
\hateer philosophical perspectie you wish to attach to this inormation, bear in mind that it
is shared in the spirit o oneness and equality, and that the Soereign Integral process is a
decidedly experiential practice.

As thought-prooking as the backstory and the chessboard o reality-as depicted herein-may
appear, it is the behaioral adjustments that are the real purpose o this disclosure. 1he
\ingMakers materials are not ocused on knowledge or spiritual experiences, they are dedicated
to the new behaiors that support the ongoing unoldment o the Soereign Integral process on
earth within the human species.

It is this process that you are really reading about and experiencing in this interiew. \hether
you beliee in the existence o the lologram o Deception or not, the Soereign Integral
process remains aailable as a tool to use in your daily lie.
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2 | Introduction

6 | Copyright Inormation

| 1he lith Interiew o Dr. Jamisson Neruda

2 | Appendix

2 | Introduction to Quantum Pause

4 | Quantum Pause Breath Pattern

5 | Quantum Pause Conceptual Attention

6 | General 1imeline

| Soereign Integral Process: v.ertire ebarior.

8 | Accessing the Grand Design

9 | 1he lologram o Deception

80 | About the Author

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hat ollows is a session I recorded o Dr. Neruda on January 2, 1998. le gae
permission or me to record his answers to my questions. 1his is the transcript o
that session. 1his was one o ie times I was able to tape record our conersations.
I hae presered these transcripts precisely as they occurred. I`e tried my best to include the
exact words, phrasing, and grammar used by Dr. Neruda.

Lditor`s Note: 1his interiew ,number ie, has been unpublished until March 2014. 1he
reason is based on Dr. Neruda`s timing, the speciic reasons or this timing hae not been

(&.&)C \hat we discussed \ednesday night has been swirling around me eer since. I think
I`e become a bit obsessed with all o this. what or me, anyway, is new inormation. I`m
trying my best to process it into my mental ramework, and I hae to admit, I`m not sure it`s

;.= ?+.65&C I understand. I`e held back some inormation or this ery reason-not only
or you, but also or those who will ultimately read this.`

(&.&)C \hen we ended the last session we agreed to spend more time on 1he Grand Portal.

Is that what you`re reerring to, or is it something else`

;.= ?+.65&C It`s all related. It`s a ery, ery big picture, and broad timeline.`

(&.&)C Can you share it now`

;.= ?+.65&C Let`s take it one part at a time. \ith your questions, I hope it will all come
clear, but I hae to warn you that it will seem a little unwieldy or odd until the whole o it is

(&.&)C Okay. \here do you want to start`

;.= ?+.65&C I think we need to go back to the beginning to understand the true context o
1he Grand Portal.`

The Grand Portal is deIined in the WingMakers materials as the irreIutable, scientiIic discovery oI the human soul.
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(&.&)C Okay.`

;.= ?+.65&C Larth was and is a ery unique planet. It was entirely o water originally. But
what made it interesting to beings was the act that its core enabled it to hae a graitational
orce that supported maniestation.`

(&.&)C \hat do you mean by maniestation`

;.= ?+.65&C 1hat it began to traerse rom an interdimensional planet o sound requencies
to a planet o matter-o physical matter. Its graity-producing core or nucleus was able to
literally create the conditions that allowed it to materialize itsel oer eons o time.`

(&.&)C low do you know this history`

;.= ?+.65&C 1here are records o this on the disc that was taken rom the twenty-third
chamber at the Ancient Arrow site.
But some o this we knew rom other documents we`e
retrieed rom the Sumerian record that hae not been widely distributed. \e`e also had
discussions with the Corteum that bear this out.`

(&.&)C So earth started out as a water planet and it wasn`t physical`

;.= ?+.65&C Correct. 1his was when the Atlanteans lied within the planet. 1hey were the
race o beings that inhabited earth at the time o its ormation. 1he Anunnaki came to them
and negotiated an agreement to allow the Anunnaki to mine a substance near the core o the
planet that would be-in its essence-what today we would call gold.

1hese races o beings known as the Atlanteans and Anunnaki were not three-dimensional.
1hey didn`t possess bodies as we think o them today. 1heir existence was contained in a
dierent range o requencies-what we would call higher-dimensional requencies.`

(&.&)C \hy did they want gold`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he Anunnaki required it. 1he exact reason is unknown, but it had something
to do with the way that gold modulated the requency o their body. Gold was an essence to
their race. It held a property that was ital to their surial. 1he record is a little ague as to
exactly why it was so important. But these records mention that their entire planet had twele
major cities and all o them were made o a semi-transparent gold. Len the book o
Reelations reers to this.`

(&.&)C \ho were these beings I mean, I`e heard o the Atlanteans, but neer the

;.= ?+.65&C 1hey`re a race o transdimensional beings. 1he Atlanteans were the only race o
beings on earth at that time, and they-the Anunnaki-sought permission to set-up mining on
earth, which the Atlanteans agreed to.`

The Ancient Arrow site is known within the WingMakers materials as the Extraterrestrial Time Capsule that was discovered in
Chaco Canyon, New Mexico.
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(&.&)C \hy`

;.= ?+.65&C 1hey didn`t see any harm in helping the Anunnaki. 1hey weren`t a competitor,
because the Atlanteans were more numerous. 1he Atlanteans wanted to hae an agreement
with the Anunnaki i only to beriend them or their technology. Also, the gold mining was in
an area o earth that was o little consequence to them.`

(&.&)C I don`t see how this relates to 1he Grand Portal.`

;.= ?+.65&C It`s a long story, and we just started, but I promise I`ll come to that in a bit.`

(&.&)C Okay, that`s ine, I`ll be patient.`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he earth began to materialize more and more. It began to harden in a sense.
1he gold with it. 1he earth, and eerything on it, was solidiying. 1he mining o the gold
would soon become impossible or the Anunnaki, because they`d be unable to mine the gold i
it were in a dense, physical state.`

(&.&)C \hy not`

;.= ?+.65&C 1heir bodies were etheric. 1hey could not mine the gold i it was physical. 1hey
needed to hae bodies that would be able to operate on earth and mine the gold.`

(&.&)C low quickly did this happen`

;.= ?+.65&C I don`t know. Our records don`t stipulate the time scale, but I assume it was
oer tens o thousands o years. 1he point is that they needed to create a physical essel like
an astronaut would require a spacesuit to inhabit space. 1hey tried hundreds o experiments
and had the help o both the Atlanteans and Sirians.`

(&.&)C I assume this essel is the human body`

;.= ?+.65&C \es, we call them physical uniorms sometimes. 1he \ingMakers reer to them
as human instruments.`

(&.&)C So the Anunnaki created a physical body to mine gold. \ou mean like a robot or are
you saying these were humans`

;.= ?+.65&C No. 1hese were the equialent o ape-men, they were pre-human by a long
shot. But they were our predecessors. \e sometimes reer to them as luman 1.0.`

(&.&)C But were they robots or biological`

;.= ?+.65&C 1hey were completely biological, but luman 1.0s were not ully physical. 1hey
were partly etheric. \ou see, the Anunnaki and Sirians designed them to synchronize with the
eoling densiication o the earth. So as the earth solidiied, so did the human instruments.`

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(&.&)C I they were biological, did they hae a soul`

;.= ?+.65&C \e wouldn`t call them human i they didn`t. Remember I mentioned the

(&.&)C \es.`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he Anunnaki and Sirians placed them-the Atlanteans-inside these human
uniorms. 1hese were ery adanced beings, but apparently nae.`

(&.&)C 1hey wanted to be in these. ape-men bodies and mine gold`

;.= ?+.65&C No, that was not their interest at all. In act, they allowed the Anunnaki to mine
their gold, but as the earth began to solidiy, they told them that i they could engineer a essel
to enable them to continue to mine their gold, that would be acceptable, but on a small scale.

1he Anunnaki had some kind o a alling out with the Atlanteans, and began to conspire with
the Sirians and another race reerred to as the Serpents. Lach o these three races was
interested in iguring out how to embody physical planets. 1hey saw earth as a laboratory o
sorts to igure it out. 1he Anunnaki already had a human uniorm, they simply needed to
power it with a lie source or soul.

1he bigger issue was how to get the Atlanteans into these embodiments and keep them there.
In eect, these three races conspired to enslae the Atlanteans within these pre-human essels.
1he Atlanteans were the power generators that made these biological entities operate.`

(&.&)C Are you saying these primitie ape-men had powerul souls inside them I don`t
understand how that`d be possible.`

;.= ?+.65&C It`s a ery complicated subject. 1he \ingMakers wrote about the implantation
o programs inside the human uniorm-een ersion 1.0. 1he Sirians were mostly credited
with this inention, but it was the ospring o Anu
that really perected these implants by
programming them.

1he human uniorm ersion 1.0 was designed by the Anunnaki, the implants were designed
by the Sirians, and the programming o the implants was designed and eoled by a being
known as Marduk.`

(&.&)C 1hat doesn`t answer my question as to how a powerul soul would suddenly be
plugged into an ape-man essel and behae like. like a Neanderthal.`

;.= ?+.65&C \ell, irst, these were much more primitie than Neanderthals. But the answer
is in the implants. \ou see, the biological entity or ape-man, as we`re reerring to it, was not
able to operate in the physical world. 1hey needed surial skills, how to eat, how to hunt,
how to clean themseles, how to een moe their bodies. All o these ery undamental

Anu is the leader oI the Anunnaki. He was known as the Sky God, in Mesopotamian times. The Anunnaki were the deities written
about in the Sumerian text, known as the Royal Blood.
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unctions were necessary to actually include or program into the essel. which was the
purpose o the unctional implants.

1he implants were akin to the brain o the luman 1.0, but it wasn`t just in the brain. 1hese
implants were placed inside the body within arious parts-like the chest area, middle back,
wrists, ankles, etc. 1he primary ones were contained in the skull. But generally these implants
were networked to operate rom the head or brain area.`

(&.&)C \hy do you say the head or brain area and not simply the brain`

;.= ?+.65&C Because it wasn`t in the brain. Remember that luman 1.0 was still part etheric
and part physical. 1he implants also needed a similar consistency or sound ibration. 1hey
were placed into the bone or skeletal structure mostly, and some in the muscle tissue. 1hese
unctional implants used into the muscles and bone, including the DNA. 1he \ingMakers
put it this way: the DNA integration was or the intelligence o the plan, the muscle tissue
allowed the lie essence to power the unctional implant.

1here was a central coordination point, and that was in the brain, but the implants were
located throughout the body. 1his was an integrated system that was installed in the human
uniorm to allow it to be controlled, monitored, and programmed oer time. It was the
eolutionary stick and carrot.

Doing it this way allowed the early humans to dig out gold, which, as I said, was their primary
purpose initially.`

(&.&)C I`m sorry to sound like a broken record, but I still don`t get how such an adanced
race as the Atlanteans could. power these ape-men and become slaes. It doesn`t make sense
to me.`

;.= ?+.65&C \ou hae to understand that the implanted unctionality was partly to make the
luman 1.0 and its power source-the lie essence o an Atlantean-to unction eiciently and
eectiely as miners. 1hat was the prime goal. 1he second, howeer, was to suppress the
power source, or in this case, the Atlantean beings inside the human essels.

1hey did this by making the power source ignorant o its origin and the reality o its true
expression as an ininite being. \hen the Atlantean beings were placed inside the human
uniorm, they were essentially 100 percent ocused on physical surial and unctional
perormance. 1here were no relationships. No marriage. No reproduction. 1hese were
essentially cloned beings. 1hey were all the same in terms o their appearance and abilities.
luman drones, piloted by implanted unctionality that the Atlantean beings inside became
associated with, as tbev. 1he ininite inside the body belieed it was the body and the
implanted unctionality, and nothing more.`

(&.&)C \hat happened when they died`

;.= ?+.65&C Let me be clear, these beings-the Atlanteans-were ininite, meaning they did
not hae spacetime regulation. 1hey lied ater the body died. loweer, the Anunnaki created
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a set o planes or dimensions o experience that was the equialent o a lolding Plane, that`s
what the \ingMakers called it, where they could be recycled.`

(&.&)C Recycled. as in reincarnation`

;.= ?+.65&C \es, later on this became the basis o reincarnation. It allowed the Anunnaki to
recycle the Atlanteans. Some aspects o the implanted unctionality were interdimensional,
which is to say, it could assist in the deliery o the beings to the proper location within the
lolding Planes o consciousness, and assist in their reincarnation back into a new essel.`

(&.&)C But you said that they. the ape-men didn`t hae reproduction`

;.= ?+.65&C Not in ersion 1.0. 1hese were ery basic. But the Anunnaki could create them
in large scale, so when one human uniorm expired-let`s say they had a mining accident-
another would be made. 1hese were clones. 1he ability to sel-reproduce came in ersion 2.0.
1hat was mostly because the amount o eort required to manage this process was enormous,
on the part o the Anunnaki. 1hey wanted to create an automated system, something that
wouldn`t require them to orchestrate all o the ariables. So the Sirians helped them to create
the implants that could propagate through reproduction. 1his enabled automation o the
recycling o the beings rom the lolding Planes to be born into the physical dimension
through a baby.`

(&.&)C So, this was all automated. by programming. technology I don`t know, this is too

;.= ?+.65&C 1he unierse is made up o dimensions that are a result o mathematical
equations. It is constructed rom mathematics. Some beings understand how to apply
mathematical equations to organize and plan spacetime. It`s all created. 1his world is created,
it`s not real. It`s a programmed reality.

\hen I say tav, it can also be construed as control o spacetime. 1hat is to say, this is a
programmed spacetime reality. Once you can program spacetime reality within a species like
humanity, you can program at the indiidual leel o a person, right down to when they itch
their nose, i you want to. It`s all mathematical equations.`

(&.&)C I don`t know. what to say. lor now, I`ll go along with you, but it really sounds like
iction to me. So, what happened to the ape-men`

;.= ?+.65&C I mentioned Marduk. le was intimately inoled in the eolution o the
species. 1hat was his role. O all the Anunnaki, he was the closest to the luman 1.0s. le
understood them and een admired certain aspects o them. Unconsciously, perhaps, he began
to alter their programs so the luman 1.0s behaed more like the Anunnaki.

As they began to take on the characteristics o the Anunnaki, Anu and his sons, Lnki and
Lnlil, were concerned by this. Marduk was programming emotions and eelings. le was
eoling humans too quickly, but remember, this was the eolution o the unctional implants,
the interace between the power source-Atlanteans-and the human physical body. So it was
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the interace that was being eoled, which enabled the human body to show emotion, to
communicate, to sense more o the three-dimensional world called earth, etc.

1he other thing that was happening was that as the earth continued to become more o a
three-dimensional solid, so did the luman 1.0s and their unctionality implants. 1his growing
densiication also made it easier to control and suppress the Atlantean power source inside the
human uniorms. It was like a compression was taking place in and on this earth plane, and it
was deepening the graity o ocus on earth plane surial.`

(&.&)C I wrote down the word Serpents.` Are you talking about literal serpents`

;.= ?+.65&C No. Serpents as a race o beings. 1hey simply were another race o beings
based on reptilian DNA, but distinct rom the Anunnaki. \ou could say they were related.
1hey were known as lie carriers. 1hey seeded planets. 1hey built ood chains. \ou could say
they were the grocers o the planet.`

(&.&)C But they didn`t get inoled in the creation o the luman 1.0`

;.= ?+.65&C Not in the technical sense. 1heir job was more to proide ood and sustenance
or it.`

(&.&)C I understand how the Atlanteans were suppressed in the luman 1.0 because o the
implants, but why did they go there I they didn`t olunteer as you suggest, how did they get
orced into slaery when they were preiously these powerul, soereign beings`

;.= ?+.65&C \e don`t know exactly how it happened. 1he record we read was not speciic
on this topic. But the tone, or word that was used, was that the Atlanteans were nae. 1hey
had no reason to think it would be possible to become enslaed. It would be like a concept
that was neer used in their culture. No one eer did that. nor could they. \ou can`t enslae
an ininite being, unless, o course, you lock them into a human uniorm. And that was the
cunning o the Anunnaki and their Sirian partners. 1hey launched this attack rom such a
bizarre angle, that the Atlanteans couldn`t see it coming. I think it was an ambush or surprise

(&.&)C \ou said earlier that the luman 2.0 could reproduce. low long o a time existed
between 1.0 and 2.0, and what were their primary dierences`

;.= ?+.65&C luman 1.0 rose to a pretty high leel in terms o being able to speak or
communicate. 1hat was the major add-on that Marduk brought to luman 1.0. loweer, the
psychological state o being a clone was too hard or luman 1.0. 1hey all looked alike and had
the same thoughts, so communication was helpul to a point, or example, coordinating a task,
but actually haing indiidual ideas. no. And this led to depression and psychological states
where, according to the \ingMakers, they literally went mad.

1his law was a huge problem. Anu decided to wipe them out, and this is the story o the
great lood. Marduk managed to sae some o the luman 1.0s rom the lood along with
other lora and auna, but it was the end o luman 1.0.

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luman 2.0 was then created. 1his was the stage where the humans could sel-reproduce. And
when this happened, some o the Anunnaki impregnated emale humans and brought in their
bloodlines to the human species. 1his began the ariations. 1his began the idea that humans
were no longer clones. 1he concern, howeer, was that luman 2.0s might become too
powerul and sel-aware. \hat i the Atlantean power source became aware that it was an
ininite being

1his was when Anu decided that he should be God. lumans needed to hae a lord or ruler
oer them so it was clear that they were inerior to an external ruler. 1his was a key part o
their program o indoctrination. \orking with Marduk and the Sirians, they created the
enironment o Lden and created the paradigm o Le as the instigator o the all o
humanity. 1his was, you might say, Act 1 o Anu as God. It was staged to proide the luman
2.0s with a clear sense o an external authority, and that they were expelled rom Paradise
because they tried to be sel-realized.

It was like rebuking humanity with the ist o an angry creator who wanted his creation to
remain identiied with their human uniorm. Kind o like saying: Do not think or a moment
that you can be like me.`

(&.&)C And the \ingMakers wrote that this actually happened kind o like the Bible said`

;.= ?+.65&C \es.`

(&.&)C So the God o the Bible is this Anunnaki Lord, called Anu`

;.= ?+.65&C \es.`

(&.&)C \hy are you telling me this all now It seems like this inormation changes some o
the preious inormation you`e shared.`

;.= ?+.65&C 1o really understand 1he Grand Portal, you hae to understand this
eolutionary process, and the only way you can understand it is to go back to the beginning o
the human race.`

(&.&)C So why did Anu want to be God`

;.= ?+.65&C Remember that the original goal was the acquisition o gold. But when the
Atlanteans rejected Anu, he began to conspire with the Sirians. It was just beore the lood
that Anu discoered that the gold he`d mined was suicient. le didn`t require more. loweer,
the notion o being a God oer the Atlanteans was seductie. 1he Sirians and Serpents elt
that the idea o enslaing ininite beings in planet ecosystems was their inention. 1hey had
something that was totally unique. 1hey were creator-Gods, and eery other race could be
ensnared in a similar type o essel.

1hey began to do just that.`

(&.&)C \ou mean enslae other races`

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;.= ?+.65&C \es. \ou see the earth had a unique quality to its core. 1his core was o
extreme interest to the Anunnaki when they irst isited earth. It was this core that created the
graitational ield that enabled the planet to become ully physical in such a way that it could
support physical lie. O course other conditions needed to be present, too, but it was this core
that was the real key. \orking with the Sirians and Serpents, they began to do this same
enslaement on other planets. 1hey replicated the core o earth and engineered a method or
implanting this core on other planets. 1hey were essentially terraorming a planet by cloning
and installing earth`s core.`

(&.&)C So I guess the real question is, i you beliee this, what are humans today Are we
simply more o the same Are we luman 2.0`

;.= ?+.65&C \hen I said the human uniorm eoles, it does, but this eolution is on a
track, a pre-programmed track. 1he intent was to hae Anu return on a cloud,` the whole
Second Coming was going to be the staged entrance or Anu. lumanity would eole in such
a way that his reentry into our consciousness would be understood to be a good thing.
lumanity`s salation. \e would all be his children, and the glory o god would be upon the
earth. 1hat was the plan. lrom beore the time o Jesus, that was the plan. Marduk
programmed the entire-`

(&.&)C low long can these beings lie`

;.= ?+.65&C Again, the beings like Marduk or Lnki or Anu are not based in spacetime. 1hey
are ininite beings, meaning they hae no end. 1hey don`t hae an age. Neither do we.`

(&.&)C I`m trying to wrap my mind around all o this, but I`m inding it ery hard to beliee
that human beings are simply uniorms or a programmed existence.`

;.= ?+.65&C Let me go back to your preious question about what humanity is now. 1he
unctional implants o the human interace are perectly integrated within the human essel.
1hey operate seamlessly. So seamlessly, we do not know that they are not us. \e hae no
choice in a way. \e think our thoughts and emotions are us, that this spacetime is what our
thoughts and emotions exist in. Len the thought o a God, heaen, hell, soul, masters, all o
these things, they`re part o the program.

It is integrated in both the dimension o the earth plane and the ater-lie. 1he ater-lie is
part o the deception.`

(&.&)C 1ell me more about this interace and its unctional implants.`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he eye-brain was the key element that the Anunnaki needed to design to make
the unctional implants operate. 1his is in luman 1.0. In luman 2.0 it was the DNA. Once
this was achieed, the Sirians could design the consciousness ramework-the human
consciousness. luman consciousness is the key to suppressing an ininite being. luman
consciousness, or the triad o consciousness, is composed o three interactie layers.

1he irst layer is uniersal mind or unconscious, and this orms the link between the
indiidual human and the entire species. 1his layer is what enables all o us to see what
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eeryone sees, eel what eeryone else eels, know what eeryone else knows. It is the perect
way to uniy a species in separation. In act, that is the way we eel uniication, through the
unconscious mind.

1he next layer o consciousness is the genetic mind, as the \ingMakers reer to it, or
subconscious, in the case o Sigmund lreud. 1his orms the link between the indiidual and
their amily tree or genetics. 1his is where bloodlines are expressed.

And then there is the conscious mind. 1his is the unique indiidual perception and
expression-what most o us call our personality and character, which is built on this layer.

1he conscious mind o the indiidual is heaily inluenced by the genetic mind, especially
between birth and the age o seen or eight. By that time the inluence is all-encompassing.
Remember that the Anunnaki created the biological orm-the body, the Sirians created the
unctional implants, and Marduk executed the programming o these unctional implants so
they would eole along a programmed path, leading to the return o Anu. 1his was expressed
in the hierarchal structure o humanity that speaks o god and masters in religious and esoteric

1his was all part o the design, to create arious religions and esoteric cults that would
support a ast lierarchy and order the human species into master-student relationships, and
then create a multi-leeled aterlie that would reward those who belieed and were obedient
to their god or masters.

\ou see, the whole principle that was behind this entire endeaor could be summed up in
one word: separation. Lerything exists in separation within the earth plane and its aterlie
planes as well. But, according to the \ingMakers, what is real is that we are all imbued with
equality and oneness-not through the unconscious mind, which only links us in separation,
but rather through the lie essence that is us. And this lie essence is soereign and integral. It
is I AM \L ARL. No one is aboe, no one is below. No one is better, no one is lesser.`

(&.&)C But you`re saying eerything is a lie rer,tbivg. I mean eerything we`e been taught
to beliee in is a deception! low is that possible. or . or een belieable`

;.= ?+.65&C It`s possible because the beings that hae enslaed humanity designed a world
to which we adjusted oer eons o time. \e eoled into it in such a manner that we became
lost in our world. 1he eils that hae been placed oer us are opaque. So much so that people
operate as human uniorms unaware that eerything around them is illusory. It is a
programmed reality that is not real.

1he \ingMakers say eerything is simply sound holographically organized to look real.`

(&.&)C It`s depressing.`

;.= ?+.65&C Only when you consider the scope o the deception and the way in which
humanity has allowed it to rule their behaiors. 1he good news is that you`re hearing about
this now.`

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(&.&)C It doesn`t eel like good news.`

;.= ?+.65&C Lach person can step out o the illusion. 1here is no master here. No god is
going to come down and make it happen or us. No L1s. No one. It is each o us. 1his is
what is meant by I AM. . it`s like One. One-me, and one-all o us uniied. AM, meaning
exist vor. In this moment. Not in history or memory. Not in some uture time or goal. ^or!

(&.&)C It doesn`t eel real to me. I was raised a Christian. I hae no reason to beliee that
Jesus was an inside. agent or this plan o deception-`

;.= ?+.65&C I`m not saying he was. Many o those who hae come to earth as human
teachers hae tried to reeal how deep and broad and high this illusion has been made. It is as
ar as the edge o the unierse and as close as your DNA. Lerywhere in between is illusion.
Jesus came to reeal much o this, but the writers o the Bible decided what would be
acceptable within the paradigm o lie as we humanly know it. 1hey elected to make Jesus a
part o the deception. 1hey saw it was time or a redeinition o God to accommodate an
eoling luman 2.0. God was suddenly a loing ather, and all o humanity was brother and

(&.&)C So you`re saying Jesus was aware o this deception, but his words weren`t included in
the Bible`

;.= ?+.65&C Our opinion was that his words were so against the conditioned belies that
people could not understand them as he said them. And so, oer time, they were translated
into the orm you know them today. 1he Biblical translations simply lack the original potency
with which he said them.

Besides, there are two methods that can make exposing this illusion a ery diicult

(&.&)C \hat do you mean`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he irst is that the unconscious mind system is inside eeryone. It`s like a ield
o inormation that eeryone can access. It can aect or inect eeryone. A reelatory idea can
be passed to a small number o people, but it lacks suicient inluence to generate mass
awakening. So there`s unconscious mind inertia.

1he other, and this is more pernicious, is that the unctional implants are programmed, and
like any program, they can be upgraded or een turned o.`

(&.&)C As I listen to this. story, I. I eel a little oerwhelmed at how to proceed with the
interiew. I`m not sure what to ask or what direction to take things. I I look at my notes, I see
my handwritten note: there is no God,` is this really what you`re saying`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he \ingMakers reer to the triad o consciousness as haing the god
consciousness installed within it-in the unconscious mind layer. But they also report that as
the indiidual deelops rom about the age o six or seen, they begin to assemble their
indiidual personality rom the elements o the subconscious layer. By the time they`re twele
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to ourteen years old, they hae their unique personality well in place. lor some, this
uniqueness is shutting out the existence o a god.

lrom Anu`s perspectie, this is ine. le probably likes haing atheists and agnostics. It`s
more separation. More diersity. In act, the greater the diersity in the human amily, the
greater the separation. 1he greater the separation, the easier it is to keep the program o
enslaement intact. Choose sides and disagree with your opponents. Compete. It uels wars
and social unrest.

As or the existence o god, we, collectiely, are the closest thing to god. \e are. 1hat`s the
clear message o the \ingMakers. 1here is a lirst Source,
a center point in existence that
created the ramework o existence through sound-`

(&.&)C But what about the ones who are enlightened or spiritual masters-they`re all made

;.= ?+.65&C No, it`s not that they`re made up. 1hey exist. It`s just that their existence is
within the human interace or unctional implants. 1hey exist there. \e, us, the being that is I
AM, that being is not o that reality. It doesn`t really exist inside the holographic stage that was
created by interdimensional beings millions o years ago, rather, it is being used as a power
source that animates the human interace or uniorm. Oer time, we`e spiraled deeper and
deeper inside o this created world, complete with its aterlie and dierent planes o existence.

\ou could look at it this way: Anu installed a program inside the luman 2.0 and in this
program, humans would eole rom knowing absolutely nothing about their world, to
knowing god. lumans were designed to hae god consciousness-meaning, to hae the same
understanding and awareness as Anu. But then Anu took this eolutionary line and positioned
god consciousness so ar out into the uture that humans would essentially be chasing this god
consciousness oreer. 1hey`d be chasing shadows, because until they awaken rom the
deception, the only god that exists in that world is Anu.

Once awakened as I AM \L ARL or the Soereign Integral, a human being lies as an
expression o this consciousness. According to the \ingMakers, no one has achieed this at
this time. It is, howeer, our uture to lie in this consciousness in a human instrument.`

(&.&)C No one has done this. you mean anywhere`

;.= ?+.65&C On this plane, earth, no one has done this. But remember, the \ingMakers are
human in a uture time. 1hey hae returned to our time to crack this shell open a bit. 1hey
hae traeled to our time to remind us o what they discoered. 1hey let this enslaement, so
we ritt do it.`

(&.&)C But you already said that spacetime is an illusion.`

The WingMakers reIer to First Source as the Creator oI the liIe essence.
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;.= ?+.65&C 1hat`s true. It is, but it`s hard to imagine that the unierse in which we exist is
really a hologram projection that was programmed inside our unconscious mind and we`re
really inside this hologram, wearing a human uniorm that was outitted to perceie only this
hologram. 1he \ingMakers say that the real world is sound. Lerything is sound and
resonance o sound. Lerything we hae in our human uniorm or sensing our unierse is
millions o years o eolutionary design to tune into that hologram and only that hologram.`

(&.&)C low does that hologram extend beyond this physical world then \ou said een the
aterlie is part o it`

;.= ?+.65&C 1here are many aspects to the aterlie. 1here is god, irst and oremost. 1here
is the Light o illumination. 1here is the uniersal spirit and indiidual soul. 1here is a
lierarchy o angels and masters. 1here is the concept o karma and reincarnation or sin and
salation. 1he concept o heaen and hell. 1he concept o the chosen. 1he concept o an
ascension path. 1he concept o the Book o Records or Akashic records. All o these concepts
were designed into an upgrade o the luman 2.0 interace. Certain human beings are
programmed to ind these concepts in their unconscious mind layer and share them. As a
result, religions sprout. Philosophies rise sometimes in support o the religions, sometimes in
contradiction. Lsoteric cults rise. All the while the human being remains lost. It remains
muddled in its illusion. Lerything tied to an empty promise in a belie, and in all those belies,
one thing remains constant: separation.

1he program is ast in its reach, and the Anunnaki, once they had mined suicient gold, had
an entire race o beings enslaed. Anu, along with his allies in the Sirian and Serpent races,
decided it would be best to turn the luman 2.0s into a worthless creature that oreer sought
enlightenment through belie. And who do you suppose would proide the things to beliee
in Anu and Marduk.

Lerything became learning lessons. 1he earth was a school house. I you learn your lessons,
you won`t hae to keep incarnating. Learn, learn, learn. But what are you learning \ou are
learning to beliee in the aterlie, as it was described and prescribed by Anu and his designers.
\ou are learning to don your human uniorm obediently. \ou are learning to discern how
humanity is dierent. \ou are learning to link eery sel-image you hae to the world o three-
dimensions, while hoping there is more ater death.

1he sober reality is that ater you die, the being inside you is met by a guardian who will take
you to your destination, based mostly on your deeds in this lie. loweer, most beings are
taken to a lie reiew where you ace your lie in eery detail, and based on that experience an
authoritatie igure will prescribe your next lie options or reincarnation. \ou are essentially
recycled into the same program with a new mother and amily, and a programmed lie path is
laid out or you to ollow.

1he aterlie program and process is all part o the master program to retain the enslaement
o the beings. Remember, we`re interdimensional beings-meaning we exist in 3-D ava the
higher planes. It`s just that these higher planes are designed by the Anunnaki. 1hey are not o
the real dimensional planes. Otherwise, we would die, discoer who we really are, and we
would neer reincarnate or i we did, we would tell eeryone on earth that this is all an
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(&.&)C \hy \hy do it this way It doesn`t make sense.`

;.= ?+.65&C \hat began as an experiment in three-dimensional exploration rom a higher
dimensional reality became what is here. Lery human being will conront this reality
eentually. It cannot be aoided. \e can agonize about the lack o airness or ask why, but
whether it makes sense to you doesn`t change the act that we lie in a world o designed
separation. Diide and conquer.

1he \ingMakers write o the tone-ibration o equality. ,Dr. Neruda pulled out some papers
at this point., lere`s the exact choice o words by the \ingMakers: \hen all maniestations
o lie are genuinely perceied as ragmentary expressions o lirst Source, the ibration o
equality that underlies all lie orms becomes perceptible to the human instrument. Lie initially
emerges as an extension o Source Reality, and then, as an indiiduated energy requency
inested within a orm. It ibrates, in its pure, timeless state, precisely the same or all
maniestations o lie. 1his is the common ground that all lie shares. 1his is the tone-ibration
o equality that can be obsered within all lie orms that uniies all expressions o diersity to
the oundation o existence known as lirst Source.``

(&.&)C It`s so abstract. low does it help`

;.= ?+.65&C Maybe it doesn`t. I don`t know. But the thing is, to change, to step out o this
illusion, it requires each o us to wake up and stay awake. It`s not reading words that will
change this, it`s the proound nature o new behaiors, because these behaiors signal that our
consciousness layers are understood as separate rom who we really are. \e hae to operate as

(&.&)C \here does the Incunabula
or Illuminati belong in this narratie`

;.= ?+.65&C I`ll answer that later. I want to continue the story a little urther.`

(&.&)C Okay.`

;.= ?+.65&C luman 2.0s and earth continue to densiy. \e become increasingly three-
dimensional. \e are actually denser now than we hae eer been-in terms o physicality.
1here was a time, about orty years ago, when we thought alien races were actually leaing
spaceships behind on purpose, but what we discoered, more recently, is that most o the
aliens were not physical beings. 1hey were obsering earth, and their spaceships actually
became entrained by the graitational circuits o the earth`s core, which caused their
spaceships to materialize in three-dimensional space. Because many o the materials used in
the ships` construction had chemical properties, they were prone to densiication when
exposed to earth`s atmosphere.`

(&.&)C \ou mentioned the earth`s core as being the cause o all o this, what`s so special
about it`

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;.= ?+.65&C 1he magnetic ields associated with earth`s core are unique. 1hey are, in the
words o the \ingMakers, alie.` \e can only assume that atire is an aspect o intelligence.

1he point in this, howeer, is that eerything`s densiying. It is compressing. It is
compressing or a reason: the old systems can all in unison when density reaches a certain
critical mass. And that is what will happen.`

(&.&)C \hen`

;.= ?+.65&C All I can say is that it is soon. I don`t want dates and times associated with it-`

(&.&)C But do you know`

;.= ?+.65&C \e know a range.`

(&.&)C More than ten years`

;.= ?+.65&C \es.`

(&.&)C More than twenty ,years,`

;.= ?+.65&C All I will say is that the \ingMakers term or this is SIN, or the Soereign
Integral Network. SIN is the deinition o the new system. 1hey said it can come in an instant
once the right conditions are in place. \hat is unclear is how SIN deelops ater 1he Grand
Portal and luman 3.0.`

(&.&)C 1hat`s the irst time you`e mentioned luman 3.0. \hat is it`

;.= ?+.65&C I human beings are trapped in a prison o illusion, as luman 2.0s, and their
interace to the holographic unierse is the reason or their being trapped, then a new model
needs to step orward. luman 3.0 is this new model. It is the ormula o sel-realization. It is
stepping out o the constructed unierse or reality, and liing as a sel-expression o I AM \L
ARL. luman 3.0 is the Soereign Integral. I call it luman 3.0 SI.

\ou see, 1he Grand Portal is a way to synchronize humanity to a new inception point where
it is liing in the expression o oneness and equality, soereign and integral, I AM and \L
ARL. It is a way or humanity to moe rom separation-which was its preious inception
point, the one that generated luman 1.0 and 2.0. luman 3.0 SI will hae a new inception
point, and the reason or 1he Grand Portal was to enable synchronization, because how can
you hae a network o equality and oneness i the beings were not synchronized`

(&.&)C \hat is soul, then`

;.= ?+.65&C Soul is an idea or paradigm that has become part o the human reality program.
Soul is the part o you that contains all memory o your existence as a luman 1.0 and 2.0. lor
most o us, this is a ast repository-ar too large or the consciousness ramework to deal
with. So the soul holds this inormation or each indiidual being.
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Soul is a paradigm o ininite expression within a inite reality. But you can`t be ininite in a
inite reality i that reality is a programmed reality. So soul is not the lie orce that powers the
human consciousness. 1hat is the Soereign Integral. 1hat is what each o us is when we are
stripped naked o all illusion, o all deceptions, o all limitations, o all eils, o all unctional
implants-including the soul.

It is the redeinition o human identity and expression as I AM \L ARL. lrom a human
perspectie, the \ingMakers do not see humans as lesser entities, but simply beings with
inception points that enslaed them. It is not a judgment that humans are worthless or bad or
sinul or weak or needy. None o those things. lumanity needs a new start. A point in which
they can synchronize in one realization, and that is the expression o I AM \L ARL. Liing
those words as behaior.`

(&.&)C \here`s the creator o Anu. the reat God low can we be allowed to lie and
operate in this kind o deception`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he \ingMakers talk about the transormation,mastership model. hold on.
,Dr. Neruda went to a page among his olders., 1his is how they put it: 1he time has come to
integrate the dominant model o the lierarchy ,eolution,saiorship, with the dominant
model o Source Intelligence ,transormation,mastership,. 1his integration can only be
achieed at the leel o the entity. It cannot occur within the context o a human instrument or
an aspect o the lierarchy. Only the entity-the wholeness o inter-dimensional soereignty
imbued with Source Intelligence-can acilitate and ully experience the integration o these
two models o existence.``

(&.&)C So what does that hae to do with my question`

;.= ?+.65&C Lach indiidual being is responsible or this. God or Source Intelligence isn`t
going to come down rom the heaens and correct human aults or obstacles. lumans need to
take responsibility or this-`

(&.&)C But seriously, how \e`re wrapped in so many layers o deception-`

;.= ?+.65&C It`s not easy. 1he \ingMakers write about the heart irtues as the behaioral
construct or this time, and how these words can be applied and lied, not simply held in the
head as a worthy concept.`

(&.&)C I don`t think you`e mentioned these beore. \hat are they`

;.= ?+.65&C Appreciation or gratitude, compassion, humility, orgieness, understanding
and alor or courage. It is the combination o nowness-being in the now-and applying
these words in our behaiors. It`s being impeccable in this practice.`

(&.&)C \hat happens i you do`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he unconscious mind is a doorway into all beings. 1hese behaiors go out to
all beings. 1hey support the building o the Soereign Integral Network luman 3.0, which is
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the replacement o separation consciousness o luman 2.0. So this is the application o
insertie behaior, which is to say, I will insert these behaiors in my nowness. 1hey will
become the palette o my behaioral choice.

1he other hal o this equation is the resistie behaiors, and these are withdrawing and
stopping behaiors that support separation and deception. 1hese are actie resistances. Saying
no` to behaiors o your own and others, without judgment.

Again, whether you operate in the insertie or resistie behaioral mode, you are aecting the
whole. \ou either support oneness and equality, the I AM \L ARL, or you support
separation and deception, also known in our reality, as the status quo.

1he starting point o behaior or expression is in the now. 1his is the creatie nere center.
Lery single now is a potential to support oneness and equality in this world and help birth the
luman 3.0 and the Soereign Integral Network.`

(&.&)C low long I mean, how long will this take`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he Grand Portal enables the Soereign Integral Network. 1he \ingMakers
suggest that around 2080, conditions should be ideal or this luman 3.0 to reeal itsel. But
they also stipulate that it could happen sooner or later.`

(&.&)C \hy wouldn`t Anu, since he`s God, simply stop it Or, i Marduk could program with
such amazing accuracy, how could luman 3.0 een come about Unless he wanted it`

;.= ?+.65&C 1here hae been seeral interentions. \hile Anu and his Sirian cohorts were
ocused on the luman 1.0 and 2.0 uniorms, they didn`t pay as much attention to the
interaction o earth and the human essel. Larth is an anomaly in itsel. Remember that the
earth`s graitational ields interact with all lie. Len non-physical beings-i they get close
enough and stay long enough-can be materialized in this plane o existence. Anu did not
want to be materialized in this dimension, and he could only appear on this plane o existence
or short times, maybe a day or two. In this time, our time, right now, the Anunnaki cannot
enter this plane. 1hey`re locked out. 1he earth plane is too dense. So that is one reason. Anu`s
ability to interact directly with his creation has been curtailed.

1he second interention point is that non-physical beings hae woken up to this issue o
enslaement. 1hey see how it aects eeryone. It was permitted in part, because the Anunnaki
and their alliance partners were strong and threatening to many other races and beings.
loweer, this notion o enslaing ininite beings, as a concept or inception point, was
inecting all o existence. It was a ear-based, separation-based idea that beings eentually
began to see as a degeneratie orce to existence. 1he natie state o existence, which includes
spacetime and non-spacetime expressions, is oneness and equality. Obiously, enslaement is
only possible in a separation-based paradigm.

1he third interention point is the \ingMakers. 1hey were the part o humanity also known
as the Atlanteans, but een beore the Atlantean race, they existed in a pure-state genetic
template, and eentually these genetics were used by Anu to create-in part-the luman 1.0
and luman 2.0. Although with the 2.0 ersion, it was less pure, because Anunnaki and Sirian
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genetics were introduced, among others. But the point I`m trying to make here, is that the
\ingMakers, as a uture expression o luman 3.0, hae entered our spacetime, and hae
begun to crack open this prison reality.

1he ourth interention point is each o us, practicing the Soereign Integral process.`

(&.&)C I presume the Incunabula and Illuminati hae something to say about this whole
luman 3.0 plan. Am I right on that`

;.= ?+.65&C \es. 1he 1riad o Power, howeer you want to deine it, in terms o titles, is
programmed to create their own luman 3.0. 1his ersion will be predicated on the
conergence o technology in support o biological enhancements that make the human essel
een more o a welcoming enironment or the unctional implants. 1he goal is to make an
ininite human on the earth plane... ininite by irtue o immortality. 1he usion o human and
technology or what some call transhumanism, is the goal. So, luman 3.0 or the 1riad o
Power is ery dierent rom luman 3.0 SI, as enisioned by the \ingMakers.

\ou see, transhumanism is separation. It says we are rail, weak, inite, brutish, diseased.
incomplete. All o these ideas or technological implants and cognitie enhancement were
parts o the ACIO agenda.`

(&.&)C 1he ACIO was building luman 3.0`

;.= ?+.65&C \es, certain key aspects o the transhumanist model. Not the SI ersion. \ou
see, the whole idea o transcending is linked to the inception point o separation. It is the I
AM supreme model. It says, the human essel can be and should be enhanced in such a way
that the unctional implants can lie oreer. 1here are seeral things missing, according to the
\ingMakers. One, the unconscious mind cannot contain the datastreams o a continuous
species, and two, the search or who we are, as the true source o lie, will only be urther
obscured by technological enhancement. 1he realization o I AM \L ARL is not a
technological realization, nor is its maniestation accelerated by or through technology, at an
indiidual leel. It is a sel-learning and behaioral process. Nothing more, nothing less.`

(&.&)C So transhumanists want to transcend human suering, ignorance, and mortality
through technology, and the ACIO
was proiding some o the technology to do this, but who
would hae access to the technology`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he elite, o course. It would only accelerate and accentuate the separation. It is
simultaneous empowerment and disempowerment. 1he economic models or the
transhumanist diusion, as it was called in the Labyrinth Group, were not widely considered.
1he Incunabula being the only exception.`

(&.&)C \ou mean they actually wanted to build a plan that made the transcending
technologies aailable to eeryone`

ACIO is an acronym Ior Advanced Contact Intelligence Organization.
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;.= ?+.65&C 1hey looked at it rom two angles: one, i the technology could be introduced
at birth, it would mitigate the cost issues o health care and education, osetting diusion
costs. But it would hae to be a goernment implemented serice. No priate company could
secure suicient trust. So a critical component was to make the United Nations the credible
world organization that could introduce transhumanism to the global stage.

1he second angle was to allow class distinctions and ree markets to eentually make the
technology irresistible to eeryone, and then allow goernment subsidies to bring down the
costs suiciently to enable its dispersion.

All o this sounds ery altruistic, but the quality o the technologies would be ariant. Llite
classes would be able to secure higher quality implantations coupled to more responsie
genetics. 1his would simply be a human ciilization that would be attempting to purge
discontent and disobedience, in aor o participation in a ruled system o goernment by elite

1echnology will eole rom external-impersonal, to external-personal, to integrated-
personal, to internal-personal. 1ranshumanism is the last phase, and it is the phase that the
elite are moing to. 1he internal-personal is based on exactly the same paradigm o what is
now the human condition-namely, humans hae a programmed interace that`s integral to
their human body, and is powered by the ininite source o which they truly are.

lumans are unwittingly trying to be Anu to themseles. It`s part o the program, according
to the \ingMakers. lumanity will play God to itsel. It will try to engineer a better human and
a better ciilization.

It will do this because it can`t imagine how humanity can sae itsel through simple behaiors
and the realization that these behaiors can make. 1hey will do it because they are
programmed to become integrated with technology. 1his is the path that the \ingMakers seek
to aert. 1hey write that human beings are complete i they can step out o their consciousness
rameworks and realize what is actually powering their systems, their artiicial realities, their
programmed existence. 1he integration o technology internally will only make this realization
more diicult.`

(&.&)C I think you said on Saturday that there were prophecies o a synthetic race oertaking
humanity. this sounds like what those prophets saw.`

;.= ?+.65&C liteen
elt the same way. le neer assumed that they were o-planet aliens.
1hese prophets could hae seen luman 3.0 transhumanists in some distant timeline and
assumed they were alien.`

(&.&)C \hat about the Military lorce`

;.= ?+.65&C As you can imagine, this is where it will be tested irst. 1here is a whole ield o
psychological technology that has laid the groundwork or the real internal technologies to

FiIteen is the genius leader oI the Advanced Contact Intelligence Organization (ACIO) and the Labyrinth Group.
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low into the military. It will be released there initially so it can be properly deended or
testing purposes. Once it`s proen there, it will conerge with the integrated-personal
technology programs o the corporate elite.

(&.&)C \hen you say integrated-personal, what do you mean exactly`

;.= ?+.65&C Miniaturization o the technology will enable it to adorn the body. It will not be
internal yet, but it is part o the human body, like clothing, glasses, watches, and jewelry.`

(&.&)C Bear with me, but let me see i I hae this straight. luman 1.0 was a creation o a
God-like being-`

;.= ?+.65&C No. Anu is the same as us or the Atlanteans. le was no more intelligent or
god-like. le was deceptie. 1hat is the only distinction.`

(&.&)C Okay. but Anu created luman 1.0 and then ound them to be too similar to his
own capabilities, and eared they would one day igure out that they were Atlanteans enslaed
by the Anunnaki. And he was worried about the consequences o that discoery. So, he wiped
them clean with a planetary lood.`

;.= ?+.65&C According to the \ingMakers, the lood was one part o the extinction
program, but there were also nuclear weapons that were discharged on the planet-most o
which hae been explained away as meteorite impacts. But the \ingMakers write that these
were adanced weapons used against human populations that had aoided the lood.`

(&.&)C Okay. In whateer way luman 1.0s were eliminated rom the planet, they were
replaced by luman 2.0, and these included upgrades like sel-reproduction and more
adanced programming. And central to this programming was the notion that Anu was God
and would return to his creation. Correct`

;.= ?+.65&C \es.`

(&.&)C And the next upgrade to luman 2.0 branches out like a ork in the road. One ersion
o luman 3.0 goes down the path o technology integration. or transhumanism. 1he other
ersion, 3.0 SI, is a more organic process o using behaiors to support this process o
becoming a luman 3.0 or Soereign Integral, and then becoming part o a network o these
Soereign Integrals. Is that correct`

;.= ?+.65&C \ou hae the general idea, yes.`

(&.&)C And the 1riad o Power wants luman 3.0 to go down the path o technology
integration, because that is how they are programmed. to emulate their god, Anu. Right`

;.= ?+.65&C \es.`

(&.&)C So it`s kind o like humanity sits at a crossroads. On the one side is the 1riad o
Power that is programmed to deelop luman 3.0 as a. a cyborg, I guess, and the other side
is the uture existence o humanity urging us to do it internally, one person at a time, through a
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behaioral process. I guess the part that`s missing or me is the role o 1he Grand Portal,
which remains unclear. I thought it was a technology that proed the existence. the
irreutable scientiic existence o the human soul. low does that igure into this`

;.= ?+.65&C 1here are humans here who are designers o the new unconscious mind that
will bridge human populations eerywhere on the planet to eel and express equality and
oneness. It will connect humanity in the I AM \L ARL consciousness, instead o the
separation consciousness. It will not be based on lierarchy. 1hat deception is coming down.

One o the things that was neer disclosed in the materials-including my preious our
interiews, is that certain inormation was to be withheld. Some inormation was een eiled
to not raise the ire o the 1riad o Power. 1his inormation, the ith interiew, will not be
disclosed in the same timeline as the preious our.`

(&.&)C \hy`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he designers o the new unconscious layer o the luman 3.0 are on the planet
now. 1hey are doing some o the preparation required to moe humanity-who will be sitting
at the ork in the road in the next orty-ity years-to choose the I AM \L ARL path.`

(&.&)C So I can`t release this interiew`

;.= ?+.65&C No. \hen it`s time, I will contact you.`

(&.&)C \ou said some o the inormation was reitea. In what way`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he \ingMakers will only release some o the inormation now, in 1998. 1hat
is the inormation that will not eel too reolutionary. 1oo radical. It needed, in their own
words, to cross into the human interace and actiate a willingness` to listen to their oice. lor
example, they used the term !ivgMa/er. to describe themseles, knowing it would hae a
connection to the angel construct.`

(&.&)C But you said the \ingMakers were a uture representation o human beings-
presumably, rom this disclosure-ersion 3.0. Right`

;.= ?+.65&C \es, but there is programming within the human interace where the unctional
implants are networked as a system, that will tune out certain inormation. A person will hear
it, but they will not act on it. 1hey will hear it, but they will object to it. 1hey will hear it, but
they will not share it. All o these programs were created-not originally, but they can be
upgraded. the program can be updated with new instructions. It makes cracking into this
reality-exposing it or what it truly is-a ery diicult proposition.

1his is why it requires a degree o stealth. 1he deception is so thick and opaque in this reality,
that the ones who are trying to come into the prison and create a crack in the wall. they also
hae to use a orm o deception.`

(&.&)C \hy`

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;.= ?+.65&C 1he programming, Sarah. I the pure-state inormation was gien out, and it
contradicted erer,tbivg that people hae been told to beliee, i it was the literal reerse o what
was logical and acceptable in this world, who would listen 1he \ingMakers needed to
awaken certain people to bring them inside their inormation ield, to warm them up to the
truth. It has to be done in degrees or the ast majority o people.`

(&.&)C \hat about me`

;.= ?+.65&C \ou are not among the ast majority, but then you`re only getting a taste o it.`

(&.&)C Does eeryone within the Labyrinth Group know this, too`

;.= ?+.65&C \es, to arying degrees.`

(&.&)C But they were going down the transhumanism path. Did this inormation change their

;.= ?+.65&C No. 1hat`s really why I`m here.`

(&.&)C \ou just said I`m only getting a taste o it, so there`s still more materials that will be
released later`

;.= ?+.65&C \es.`

(&.&)C But you`re not going to tell me when. right`

;.= ?+.65&C Correct.`

(&.&)C As intelligent and aware as the Labyrinth Group is, why didn`t this inormation
change their minds`

;.= ?+.65&C I had the beneit o haing direct interactions with the \ingMakers. None o
my peers did. 1his was the dierence in my willingness to act on the inormation, and not
simply consider it as a contradiction to my inested reality.`

(&.&)C 1his is ucked up, isn`t it`

;.= ?+.65&C \hat part`

(&.&)C All o it. It`s all ucked up. and we did it.`

;.= ?+.65&C \hateer it is, it`s important to know what`s behind the deception. to look
with sober eyes on the truth. It may not be a beautiul picture to be sure, but how else do you
realize your own truth until you know the truth o the big picture So, howeer screwed up it
seems, it is an inception point or the indiidual to redeine themseles.

\ould you rather stay in the illusion o a soul in a human body that will be saed by God,
ascend into heaen and hang out with angels who strum harps 1hat whole idea is repulsie
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once you know this. 1hat picture is based on separation, selishness, lack o empathy and
understanding. Or, you can simply say it`s all a big illusion, including the notion that we are
ininite beings, and that when you die, you`re done.

1he part o this new picture that is promising is that we exist ininitely despite the act that
we hae been suppressed and enslaed. \e also can play a role in supporting this redeinition
o the human being through our thoughts and behaiors. And maybe most importantly, we
hae the \ingMakers-our uture seles-proiding us with eidence that I AM \L ARL

\hen I irst read these materials, these were the things that proided some sense o hope,
and I share them with you, or what it`s worth.`

(&.&)C 1hanks. All o the things that you told me in the irst our interiews. with this new
inormation, does it change it`

;.= ?+.65&C \es. Lerything is aected by this.`

(&.&)C Gie me an example.`

;.= ?+.65&C Sunday night I mentioned LLRM or the Light-Lncoded Reality Matrix. LLRM
is what the Labyrinth Group thought was God-in terms o proo. But what was really
discoered was the essence o Anu and how he operates in this reality as an all-encompassing
obseration ield that is inside our consciousness interace to this reality-existence called earth.
LLRM is Anu projected.`

(&.&)C \hat about L1s Don`t they know about this and can`t they interene and sae us
rom this situation`

;.= ?+.65&C Remember, eeryone inside our unierse is part o this deception, whether they
know it or not. 1here are our classes o beings: one, those who know the deception and are
actiely supporting it, two, those who know about the deception, but are unwilling to do
anything about it, three, those who don`t know the deception and are unknowingly supporting
it, and our, those who know about the deception and are actiely trying to step out o the
deception and engineer a process or eeryone else to do the same. 1hat`s it. It doesn`t matter
i the being is physical or nonphysical. Leryone alls into one o these our categories-
eerywhere in our unierse o existence.

1he beings in group three are waking up. Some o them understand that the deception in one
part o the unierse inects all. It requires correctie action. It requires collectie understanding
to ensure that it will neer happen again.`

(&.&)C low can eeryone in this unierse be a part o this deception I don`t understand.`

;.= ?+.65&C Our entire unierse is created. I`m not saying it is tbe unierse. I`m saying that
what we call the unierse, as ar as we can obsere, is part o the hologram implanted within
our consciousness ramework and human interace. Our mind consciousness established the
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spatial-temporal relationships o eerything we see, and as I said, this is part o our program.
And this includes the unierse.

\hy do you think that our best minds on the planet cannot deine consciousness, let alone
the subconscious and unconscious mind It is programmed this way. Anu did not want us to
igure it out. \e`ll look at neural inormation and decide it can be sliced a thousand dierent
ways, but it still doesn`t explain how it`s eerievcea.

As Aristotle said some 2,300 years ago, 1o be conscious that we are perceiing, is to be
conscious o our own existence.` 1hat is a good description o I AM. So, are we an isolated lie
orm that conronts our external, separate reality No, we are connected to all. 1hat is why I
AM \L ARL is the critical inception point or our identity. Any being that does not conirm
their belie in this, is not aware o reality. It doesn`t matter where they exist or what essel they
wear. It doesn`t matter i they want to sae humanity. 1hey must irst act rom this inception.

1he unierse, as immense as it appears, is a hologram inside a programmed existence which
eery human being agrees is reality. 1hat agreement inorms the unconscious mind-again, a
part o the human interace that Anu created-and collectiely we all see our world the same
way, more or less.

\e hae been told there are trillions o planets with lie. 1hat the unierse is abundant with
lie orms in arious dimensions, but what we know is here. On earth. 1he tangible, isible
earth. Are there other beings O course. I`e seen them. \ill they sae humanity 1hey can`t.
1hey can only support. It isn`t about anyone or anything saing us. It is about a redeinition
process that can only occur within each indiidual entity. It isn`t about being beamed up or
ascending to some higher, protected dimension. 1his will be done in the physical body as
human beings, by human beings, or human beings.`

(&.&)C I know the interiew on paper won`t show a hint o how you just deliered that last
answer, but I wish it could. I think it helps to see it.`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he words are enough.`

(&.&)C \hy you \hy do you suppose you can interact with the \ingMakers and were asked
to release this inormation \hy didn`t they interact with liteen, too`

;.= ?+.65&C lirst o all, it isn`t just me. loweer, within the Labyrinth Group, they selected
me or reasons that I had a certain resonance to their inormation that others within the
Labyrinth Group lacked. In terms o releasing the inormation, perhaps I was the only one
who would go to the extreme o deecting rom the ACIO to make this inormation aailable.

I don`t look at mysel as unique in the sense that I am the only one inoled in getting this
inormation out. 1here are others, many others, both physical and nonphysical, who are
assisting in this transormatie process. 1he \ingMakers reer to it in their philosophy papers
as the two portals.`

(&.&)C I`e only heard you speak o 1he Grand Portal, I assume it`s one o the two
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;.= ?+.65&C \es. 1he Grand Portal will be released in the \ingMakers literature as the
irreutable scientiic discoery o the human soul, and in a way, that`s true, but it`s not the
whole story.

1he two portals are deined as the crack` and the wall demolition.`

(&.&)C I hope you plan to explain that.`

;.= ?+.65&C \es, well, the crack is the irst portal. It is the portal between worlds. It is a
human, and that`s about all I know at this time.`

(&.&)C A human who does what`

;.= ?+.65&C 1hat can step between worlds. I realize that thousands o people, een amous
people, hae claimed to hae isited heaen, but according to the writings o the \ingMakers,
it is not true. 1hey hae wandered into the astral world, which has many dimensions, but this
astral world is part o the creation o Anu, in terms o our programming. Our true dimensional
existence is not o Anu`s creation or ormulas. 1he human portal will be a communication
portal between our origins, as a race o ininite beings, and this world-the lologram o

(&.&)C \hat about the wall demolition, as you called it`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he Grand Portal is the wall demolition. 1hat`s when the wall comes down
through the eorts o all beings that are undergoing the Soereign Integral process. And this
makes it possible or all human beings to step orward into their ininite sel or lie essence.`

(&.&)C So the sequence is irst the human portal and then 1he Grand Portal And rom a
timing perspectie, what can you say about it`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he human portal anchors the inception point on earth or 1he Grand Portal.
It will come in about ten years. 1he Grand Portal, about seenty years ater that. 1hose are the
rough timerames I`e been gien, but always with the stipulation that these times can shit
and change.`

(&.&)C \hat does science say about this`

;.= ?+.65&C Science. in terms o what`

(&.&)C I mean the whole notion o the unierse being a hologram or illusion created inside
our head.`

;.= ?+.65&C Science is not able to explain it. 1he counterlogical nature o the unierse-in
terms o quantum behaior-is impossible to explain. Some scientists hae relented to
explaining it all away as hidden ariables. But rankly, what the \ingMakers hae explained is
that we`re creating the unierse through the human interace Anu proided us by
reinterpreting sound ibrations through our ie senses.`
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(&.&)C But it doesn`t make sense. how can I see the moon and a two-year-old can see it
exactly the same way low can it be the same`

;.= ?+.65&C No, this is what the unconscious mind proides the luman 2.0 interace. It
gathers the interpretation o the sound ibration o the moon, based on billions and billions o
sightings throughout time. 1hese eole and change based on enironmental conditions, but
generally the notion that the moon is siler and generally the size that it is, is stored and shared
in the DNA and unconscious mind system and reinorced by culture, amily and education.
1his is the uniersal collectie ield. It`s a ield eect that transers inormation through
ibratory ields that interconnect humans.`

(&.&)C Maybe it`ll just take me a while to get that one. I hear your explanation, it just doesn`t
make sense to me. Let me change the topic slightly. I eeryone`s lie is pre-programmed, why
are you and I talking about this I mean why are we able to discuss this \hy would Marduk`s
program allow us to een glimpse this inormation`

;.= ?+.65&C It`s a good question. Maybe the best way to understand this is to consider a
thought experiment. Imagine that our unierse is a bubble.
It was created by a group o
entities that used deception against their equals who had neer experienced such an eil ision
o separation, and thereore couldn`t conceie o a deense against it. 1his bubble unierse
seemed complete and always expanding. In many ways, it was an ideal platorm or lie, and
yet only one sentient lie orm seemed to exist on one tiny planet inside this ast, near-ininite

Inside this same bubble, there were ibratory dimensions that became known in religious
circles as heaen and hell, and in spiritual and psychic circles, as the etheric and astral planes.
1hese planes exist inside the bubble, but are not isible with the human interace or ie
senses. \e`ll call this Bubble One.

Lxternal to Bubble One, imagine there is another unierse or dimension o existence. It is
ast and encompasses Bubble One wholly. \ithin this second, larger bubble is the dimension
rom which our lie essence originated prior to its insertion into Bubble One. Now, beings in
Bubble 1wo can enter Bubble One and experience it ully. loweer, i they get too close to
the populated planet called earth and stay too long, they will maniest and not be able to return
to Bubble 1wo.

Larth is the ocal point in Bubble One. 1he entities, who ancy themseles as gods, create
more bubbles. 1hey entrap other races in the same paradigm o deception and cast beings
rom Bubble 1wo to new bubbles that are similar to Bubble One. 1hese entities essentially
plan to take oer Bubble 1wo or themseles, while making their equals, who ormerly shared
Bubble 1wo, enslaed worshippers who look to the rulers o Bubble 1wo as their gods.

Meanwhile, there is a larger bubble that surrounds Bubble 1wo. \e`ll call it Bubble 1hree.
Are you with me`

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(&.&)C I think so.`

;.= ?+.65&C Good. So Bubble 1hree encompasses Bubble 1wo and all o the smaller
bubbles related to Bubble One. 1here are beings in Bubble 1hree that are aware o the
deception perpetrated on the bubbles and the beings within them, but ininite beings are
patient and curious. 1hey wanted to see what this separation construct would create. In
dimensions that had only known oneness and equality, the concept o diision in material
orm was interesting.`

(&.&)C But all the human misery, just to run an experiment`

;.= ?+.65&C Remember the human machine is not real. It`s the equialent o a spacesuit
with artiicial intelligence and a sense-and-respond sensory system. 1he astronaut-us-is
ininite. It cannot be killed or hurt or destroyed. \hile the experimentation looks miserable
rom a human perspectie, it is ibrant with learning on many other leels, one o which is to
build the awareness in all beings o neer allowing this deception to occur again.

1he unconscious mind system o the human being exists in a similar, but signiicantly more
adanced modus operandi in the interdimensional beings that can interoperate between the
three bubbles. It is what allows the equality and oneness to be maintained in ast worlds o
spacetime and quantum spacetime.

Now, within this thought experiment you can see that the dimensions o spacetime are more
dimensional than one unierse. 1hat entities exist in these arious bubbles, experimenting with
their creation. Sometimes in this experimentation, they decide to enslae through the
constructs o separation and deception. 1his occurs with issues that human beings can relate
to like scarcity, preseration o a race, unintended consequences o decisions, serice to sel
instead o serice to truth. All o these elements were in the behaioral equations o Anu and
his Sirian accomplices.

At some point, the lessons are learned. 1he entire experiment solidiies and hardens to such a
degree that it cannot really compress anymore. Its alue rapidly diminishes rom that point.
\hen this happens, beings will interene. In our case, we interened in the orm o humanity
returning to warn o this reality, hence the \ingMakers interention. As or why we are
talking, it`s simple. Marduk is not the only one who can program.`

(&.&)C And what does that mean`

;.= ?+.65&C In today`s world we hae programmers who can write code that take the user
o that code rom one experience to the next. It moes them rom point A to point B.
Programming is an aspect o time. It`s a directional process.

\ou`re aware o hackers. 1hey come in all sizes. Larlier this year a iteen-year-old kid hacked
into the US Air lorce. Len Microsot is inding it impossible to protect its N1 OS. 1he
hacker mindset is again a maniestation o separation. It is a polarity. A mind game o sorts,
complete with ego and sometimes greed. Mostly, it`s a reminder that whateer`s a ortress
remains ulnerable. 1he program that Marduk created is similar in concept to our sotware
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programming, but ininitely more complex and adanced. loweer, as any hacker will tell you,
anything can be hacked with the right technology and skill.

Our programs hae been hacked. \e`e been altered. \e`re not connected in the same way
to the grid lines that rule this hologram that I called Bubble One, a little earlier.`

(&.&)C \ho. who did the hacking`

;.= ?+.65&C I can`t gie you a name. I don`t know. I`e been told that there`re many
resources that are being used to create the crack in the wall, and then, rom the inside-that`s
us, humanity-we`ll push the wall down collectiely and walk out o this prison. \e`re part o
the crack.`

(&.&)C I don`t remember olunteering.`

;.= ?+.65&C lor what it`s worth, neither do I.`

(&.&)C Okay. I`m going to shit the conersation a bit. In my notes rom Saturday you said
the ollowing: 1hat the \ingMakers claimed that the three-dimensional ie-sensory domain
that humans hae adjusted to is the reason we are only using a ractional portion o our
intelligence. 1hey claimed that the time capsule would be the bridge rom the three-
dimensional ie-sensory domain to the multidimensional seen-sensory domain.`

low does that relate to tonight`s conersation, and what exactly is the time capsule`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he time capsule is the content o the \ingMakers project. It`s called a tive
capsule because it`s a designed interention to shit time. It`s called a ca.vte because it is a
deliery system o inormation that is designed to assist people to unlock rom their grid
lines-their pre-programmed lie path where they were essentially a human robot marching
through their lie path as they were programmed to do.

Until the \ingMakers disclose this aspect o their interention ,Sarah`s note: the iftb
vterrier of Dr. ]avi..ov ^ervaa,, they can`t disclose the real meaning behind their words. Again,
they cloaked their words in the accepted standards o this world`s rules relatie to the New
Age, new world order, spirituality, religion, philosophy, etc. 1his gae them an accepted
anonymity, ater all, it was all presented as a myth. 1here`s nothing in a myth that could cause
Anu to censor or strike back.

1hey tested the explicitness o the language, and decided to place some o the actiational
elements in other ormats like art, poetry and music. In other words, when they couldn`t state
something explicitly, because o retaliatory concerns, they would encode it into the art.`

(&.&)C But you`e asked me to hold it back-this interiew. \hat i it neer gets released`

;.= ?+.65&C 1hen it wasn`t necessary.`

(&.&)C But then that would make the rest o the materials less than true, wouldn`t it`

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;.= ?+.65&C I would say it would make them less direct or explicit, but to your point, yes, I
would agree that their truth is diminished without the ramework o this disclosure.`

(&.&)C \ho are these materials or I mean, I can tell you right now that when you were
describing the irst our interiews, I could count on one hand how many people I know who
would listen to this perspectie with an open mind. Most o my riends and amily. I
wouldn`t een mention it. But with this interiew, I don`t think anyone I know would be open
to it. I can`t think o one, to be honest.`

;.= ?+.65&C I understand. 1he number o people, who show up to look through the crack
in the wall, will be ery small. In terms o the whole population, a tiny raction. But the real
deinition o 1he Grand Portal is that enough people will look through that crack and
recognize there is more-much more to reality`s existence, and they will work collectiely to
push down the wall. \hen the wall alls, that will be when the ininite beings inside step out
and operate the human instrument, not as a separate thing, not as a essel or something they
wear as a uniorm, but they will operate inside the human body ree o the interace and
unctional implants.`

(&.&)C \ou mean they won`t ascend into Bubble Number 1wo or 1hree`

;.= ?+.65&C 1hey will stay right here: earth. But they will stay here, in the body, as ininite
beings, not enslaed shells o themseles.`

(&.&)C \ou said there were other beings inoled in this interention. Can you disclose

;.= ?+.65&C I`d preer not to say anything other than to mention that it will be disclosed
soon. 1his whole enslaement o humanity is like the six blind men touching the elephant.
Many people are eeling parts o the elephant and describing the part they are touching, but
with blindolds on, it is ery hard to describe the whole deception.`

(&.&)C Are these blind men` humans`

;.= ?+.65&C \es, o course. 1hey see parts o this enslaement and they know something is
happening. Something isn`t right. \ou can`t hae god-like beings walking around the earth
coincident with murder, rape, child abuse and war, and they don`t eel this separation and
deception. Something is terribly wrong. \hy are we letting this happen

According to the \ingMakers, there are people who are incarnated now who would be the
equialent o outliers. Are you amiliar with this term`

(&.&)C No.`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he term is typically used in statistics. 1hink o it like an anomaly. A person has
what is called a transient malunction to their interace, but in this malunction, they are able to
see through the crack. It might only last a second or two, but they glimpse what is behind the
walls. And again, I`m not talking about the astral plane-that`s just a more rariied plane o the
lologram o Deception.
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People with these transient malunctions oten end up being diagnosed autistic, or in extreme
cases, are considered schizophrenic, but because the malunction is transient, they slowly
merge back into the human hologram and lack the contextual meaning o what they saw
anyway. 1hey learn to orget. 1he program draws them back in.

But beore they orget, beore they return to normal belies, beore they are drugged or
quarantined, they share their experience to the unconscious mind. And this begins to express
itsel through culture. It`ll come out in moies, books, theater, art, poetry, and many o these
expressions will help to eed the unconscious mind and open it up to the possibility that the
scale o our prison encompasses een the light, een science, een angels. een god.`

(&.&)C Do we wear a target on ourseles when this gets released I mean will Anu decide to
take us down i this goes out`

;.= ?+.65&C Beliee me I`e probed on that issue. 1here`s risk inoled. low much, I don`t
know. 1he \ingMakers explain that the creators o this plan hae resigned themseles to the
interention, but that their equialents here on earth are not as excited by those prospects. It`ll
work its way out, but it`ll take some time.`

(&.&)C \hat happens between now and 1he Grand Portal. when the wall gets pushed

;.= ?+.65&C All I can tell you is that the 1riad o Power will continue to consolidate. 1he
money system will continue to spiral away rom the many into the hands o the ew. 1his was
part o the original programming-`

(&.&)C Relating to the return o Anu`

;.= ?+.65&C \es. Anu would step in and sole the world`s problems and be anointed. Anu
would use the centralization o the money system to integrate technology into biologic systems
so they would be able to hae ininite existence in Bubble One-earth. 1hat way, Anu
reasoned, he could be god in this world oreer.

But as I said, this plan was not perect in the sense o its ininitude. Anu underestimated the
beings in Bubble 1hree and beyond.`

(&.&)C las it eer been tried beore`

;.= ?+.65&C \hat`

(&.&)C 1his crack in the wall, and then pushing the wall down`

;.= ?+.65&C No. Not in our world. 1his is the irst coordinated eort to liberate humanity.`

(&.&)C But what about Jesus or Buddha`

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;.= ?+.65&C According to the \ingMakers, each o the Aatars
who came to this planet
did so as inited guests. lumans were explained as lost beings`. It`s literally how we are
deined in the planes o existence outside our planet. Remember what I had said about the
higher dimensional beings that would isit earth and become maniested`

(&.&)C \es...`

;.= ?+.65&C 1hat was how many o these Aatars came to earth. 1hey did not go through
the birth process, they literally maniested in the earth plane with their dimensional
consciousness intact. 1hey did not want to be born into this world and inhabit a human body,
because they knew they would sleep and orget. Aatars had to directly maniest.

1he problem was that people were araid o them and stayed away, or people acted as
guardians o the old system and wanted to destroy the Aatar, or some people looked to the
Aatar to sae them. 1his was what spawned the eolution,saiorship model o the unierse.
Lolution, as deined here, is the process o being saed and absoled o one`s sins. 1he
sinner eoled into the disciple, and the disciple eoled into the teacher, and the teacher
eoled into the lierarchy o teachers and leaders. Saiorship simply meant that an outside
orce or Aatar would sae the indiidual rom their sins or reprehensible behaior, and
connect them to the light or spirit o god. 1he saior was an intermediary o the lierarchy
that plugged the indiidual into the light o illumination and enlightenment.`

(&.&)C So. didn`t these Aatars open a crack`

;.= ?+.65&C O sorts, but mostly it was to demonstrate what was really inside the human
essel. It was not to show miracles or the sake o conincing people to ollow them or to
create a religion. 1he resurrection, or example, was not a piece o theater to underline Jesus`
unique stature as the son o god. le was not that. 1hat was written in later. As his popularity
grew, it was understood that Anu and Marduk could utilize Jesus to strengthen Anu`s hold on
human culture, and reposition himsel as a loing God-the ather o great entities like Jesus.

Aatars were generally considered an annoyance by Anu. Usually they were killed or locked
up to wither and die. Stories would be created to either cement them to Anu`s gloriication, or
they would be iliied and deemed to be o Satan. 1here was no middle ground with Aatars.
Jesus was really the irst Aatar that Anu decided to embrace and create a world religion

Lach o the other world religions were modeled ater Christianity, een those whose ounder
was not technically an Aatar. Aatars were ery rare. 1hey wanted to come in and push down
the walls, but they needed a large enough ollowing to bring the whole wall down. A crack
wouldn`t be enough. And i they came simply to show the nature o the ininite being inside
each human uniorm, they risked a religion being built around them that would become, oer
time, welded to Anu and the holographic, multi-layered deception that hung oer humanity
like a dome.

An Avatar is an incarnate teacher oI truth.
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1he \ingMakers reer to a new type o being called the Soereign Lntity. 1hese are pre-
Soereign Integral beings, but they are seeded with the capacity to step out o the lierarchy,
and in doing so, they allow themseles to examine inormation that others would attack or
ignore. Unortunately, the inormation that will liberate people is the ery inormation they are
programmed to attack.`

(&.&)C \hen you use the term ierarcb,, what are you reerring to exactly`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he \ingMakers seem to use this interchangeably with Anu at the top, his
leadership within the dimensions, or Bubble 1wo, and his leadership on earth in the orm o
the 1riad o Power. Collectiely, this is the lierarchy.`

(&.&)C Can you help me understand how it is that no one knows about this. I mean, out o
six billion
people that walk the earth now, and I don`t know how many oer the whole
history o mankind, but it must be. I don`t know, about a hundred billion or so, how could it
be disguised`

;.= ?+.65&C 1hat`s how many lie expressions, perhaps, but not beings-`

(&.&)C Because o reincarnation, right`

;.= ?+.65&C \es. But to answer your question, it`s done through the interace o the human
essel. 1he interace is what most people consider to be them. 1hat is their consciousness.
1he interace uses with the physical body and the dimensional being that powers and
animates it. 1here`s an old saying that the last thing a ish notices is water. It`s an apt
expression o our circumstance, too.

lumans hae been liing in this consciousness o a human body eer since they were irst
created. It is all they hae eer known, and because o the sophistication o the technology that
underlies this entire deception, we are thrown distraction ater distraction to neer, eer
consider the possibility that eerything is a part o an illusion. rer,tbivg.

\hile it seems impossible that a hundred billion lies hae existed and not one has peered
through the crack, it would be like going to the deep sea where the bioluminescent ish lie,
and explaining to them that a world exists o light and warmth. Maybe one or two would
enture rom the depths i they were told o this world, and they would return and report that
they had experienced this strange, mysterious world. But neer would they imagine that a
whole world o land and air existed aboe that, where beings o entirely dierent natures
walked on dry dirt and breathed air and looked at stars a billion light years away.

lumans are a lot like those bioluminescent ish.`

(&.&)C Okay, I understand the analogy, but no one`

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;.= ?+.65&C Momentary glimpses through cracks. that`s all. 1he Aatars that maniested
here hae operated the closest to our true nature on this planet, but those who hae gone
through the birth process and hae human DNA, they are locked into their interace or they
are quickly remoed.`

(&.&)C 1uesday you talked at length about Lucier and his creation o the Animus, where`s
that actor into this. this story`

;.= ?+.65&C Until last night I didn`t know i this interiew would een take place. I knew
you wanted to speak in depth about 1he Grand Portal, but I wasn`t sure at what leel I would
be allowed to disclose it. 1his is ery guarded inormation. It`s both a break-in and a break-
out. 1he break-in is diicult to engineer amid the misinormation and deception that occurs
on this planet relatie to humans.

Lucier and the allen angels was a nod to the allen humans who were booted out o Lden. It
is the same story with the same purpose: place ear o rebellion in the consciousness systems
o humans. Make it strong and potent in the unconscious mind, and make sure that Lucier,
Satan and the deil mirror the trinity o good-the ather, son and the holy ghost. Anu
realized that the best way to make his human creation lean his way was to make the path to his
kingdom appear irtuous and morally acceptable. And how do you do that \ou hae eil
embodied in demons that are bent on enslaing humans and preenting them rom ollowing
the irtuous path.

It created a perect polarity o human beings progressing to the Kingdom o god while
demons seduced and ensnared them. Angels and ascended masters were guides to show the
way to the waiting kingdom. Lastern traditions used demigods, hierarchies o masters,
meditation, but it was based on the ery same polarity, which at its most basic leel was light
as good, and darkness as eil.

So with that said, let me return to your question about Lucier and the Animus. 1he story o
Lucier is like a prop on a stage. \ith Lucier in play, the stage is more dangerous. \ou can
place blame. \ou can delect blame and responsibility rom the morally righteous and god-
earing humans. \ou can iner that your enemies are enslaed by demons that do the bidding
o Lucier or Satan.

1his creates conlicts that lead to wars. 1his creates histories o conlict which sow
generation ater generation o people who are liing their oreathers` conlict. Amid all o this,
god grows in stature and importance. Leryone wants to claim that god is on their side.

Lucier was a catalyst to enlarge the importance o Anu. 1o make humans dependent on him
een though they neer saw him, heard him, tasted him, smelled him or touched him. le was
in the uniersal ield is-a-is the unconscious mind. It was programmed this way, and
religious culture only made it eel more real.

1he Animus were the luman 3.0 in the trajectory enisioned by Anu to support his ininite
supremacy oer humanity. lis goal was to synthesize humanity with technology. 1he Animus
were us in a potential uture. 1here are goernment organizations, corporate entities and
research institutions that share this same goal een as we speak.`
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(&.&)C low did the decision get made not to release eerything`

;.= ?+.65&C I`e said that the \ingMakers materials are extensie. 1here are twenty-our
philosophical papers, but only our will be released. 1he our interiews we`e preiously
done, as I told you, these our will be released, possibly not all at once, but those hae been

1his interiew and the remaining twenty philosophy papers will not be released until certain
conditions are met. \hat those conditions are, I don`t know. I assume it has to do with the
discoery o the portal-the human portal I mentioned-and getting the crack in the wall
established in this world. Once a oothold is made in establishing the inception point, perhaps
then the other materials can be released.

As or how the decision is made, let me be ery clear that this is not my decision. It is
determined by the \ingMakers. An interention rom time-traelers is a ery sensitie
operation. Many ariables need to be weighed and considered.`

(&.&)C lorgie my blunt question here, but how do you know that the \ingMakers aren`t
part o this whole deception`

;.= ?+.65&C At some point you hae to trust your eelings and intuition, otherwise
eerything is just a purposeless mental exercise. I can`t say that I`m 100 percent conident. As a
scientist, I`m disbelieing by nature, but eerything I`e read and studied is consistent to their
stated goal, which is to establish a new inception point or human beings in this speciic time.

1heir irst disclosure is a cloaked message o hope, an energetic rewiring o the spiritual
philosophies o this planet away rom masters, organizations, hierarchies and belie. It is more
ocused on becoming a spiritual actiist or practitioner o behaioral intelligence. It is about
actiating pre-Soereign Integrals who are able to understand the eolutionary scope o the
human being and help it to eer in the direction o the Soereign Integral.

1he next or second disclosure will be the actiation o the human portal. I don`t know yet
how this will unold, only that it will happen relatiely soon.

1he third disclosure will be the ith interiew and possibly other material. \hen the ith
interiew is released, it signals that the inception point has already been made. According to
the \ingMakers, this means that 1he Grand Portal will occur on this planet. Once the new
inception point is anchored, it will unold to plan.

I hae made the decision that i the second disclosure occurs, I will commit to this plan 100
percent. Until then I hae told the \ingMakers that I am with them and will conduct my
actions according to their insights and guidance, but I will always hae doubt in my mind until
I see that the second disclosure occurs.`

(&.&)C \hat i no one beliees this, Dr. Neruda \hat i you release this ith interiew
sometime in the uture and no one can relate to it or, as you suggested, they attack it \hat
then Is the human portal suicient to make this whole thing happen`
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;.= ?+.65&C \es. 1hat`s what I hae been told. Once the inception point is anchored, it will
all unold to plan.`

(&.&)C So no one needs to beliee this. it`ll just happen 1hat doesn`t sound right.`

;.= ?+.65&C 1his inormation will remain in the underground, but science, according to the
\ingMakers, will be the orce to actually proe out this inormation.`

(&.&)C low`

;.= ?+.65&C Science will ind the walls. 1hey won`t expose the crack or necessarily assist in
the demolition, but they will expose the walls-`

(&.&)C But you said that LLRM was discoered by the ACIO, and they thought o it as God
or uniersal intelligence or whateer it was.`

;.= ?+.65&C \es. I`m not saying that science will deine the lologram o Deception as an
insidious ruse perpetrated on humanity to enslae ininite beings to operate as inite, ear-
based diminishments o themseles. 1hat`s not my point. But those soereign entities that
stand around the crack in the wall will need help rom legitimate sources that alidate the
possibility o the hologram. I don`t expect science to label the hologram good or bad, or
imbue it with philosophical issues like deception, polarity, separation, etc.

1he \ingMakers hae explained that around the time that the human portal is actiated, a
scientist o great stature will emerge with a theory that will support the inception point. It is all
being acilitated by their hacking into the program o these and other indiiduals.`

(&.&)C Do you know the name o this scientist`

;.= ?+.65&C No.`

(&.&)C Do you think it`s you`

;.= ?+.65&C No. I hae no stature. No one has eer heard o me. 1he \ingMakers were
speaking o someone who held a high degree o credibility in the scientiic community.`

(&.&)C I still don`t see how it will happen. I mean the wall coming down. I things are as
screwed up as you say, people will ollow their programming. 1hey`ll hae too much ear to
release eerything they`e learned to be real and true. I just don`t think people can make such a
radical shit.`

;.= ?+.65&C I agree. 1hey can`t, not in the ace o the status quo. But the status quo is part
o the wall that will be taken down. \ou can`t paper oer this. \ou can`t wae a magic wand
and pretend it doesn`t exist-the wars between races, religions, classes, geographies,
relationships o eery scope, these cannot be pardoned by a saior or L1 race. 1hey hae
consequences, and these hae to be dealt with.

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1he status quo-the old normalcy, the comortable distortion-will be remoed, because
you cannot build a heaen on earth as simply as plopping a new reality layer on top o the
status quo. It would be like adding the Grand Canyon on top o a skyscraper. 1he skyscraper
can`t support it.`

(&.&)C 1he amount o change that`s coming sounds oerwhelming.`

;.= ?+.65&C I there`s one thing I`e learned in this interaction with the \ingMakers, there
is a programming track, and then there is a super consciousness track-the latter is inoled
with how quantum reality membranes intersect and can create chain reactions that ripple
across eery dimension. 1hese chain reactions are guided by eent strings designed by beings
rom ery high dimensions.

As I preiously said, eery being has the I AM soereignty, but they also possess the \L
ARL integration. As the I AM asserts itsel through the expression o behaiors-either
resistie or insertie-the I AM disentangles itsel rom the program, the luman 2.0 interace.
It begins to reconnect with the \L ARL requency or the tone o equality as the \ingMakers
hae reerred to it. It broadcasts this through the unconscious mind or uniersal ield, making
it easier or another being to touch into this same perspectie and adopt these behaiors.

My point is that either the designers o the higher dimensional planes or humanity as a
collectie could potentially accelerate or decelerate 1he Grand Portal.`

(&.&)C \hat i there was a tug o war like the higher beings wanted it sooner and humanity
wanted it later`

;.= ?+.65&C I don`t know. I suspect the higher dimensional beings would listen to the
resistance. I really don`t hae an opinion on that one.`

(&.&)C One day, hopeully in the not too distant uture, a person will read this interiew.
\hat adice would you gie them`

;.= ?+.65&C Leryone has thoughts and emotions. Leryone shares a reality called earth and
the human body. \e`re all on the same stage, playing dierent roles, but the stage uniies us to
some degree. None o us can look across the stage and see a beautiul world o peace and
harmony, or goodwill to all men. It isn`t the reality that encompasses us.

1he question is how do we moe closer to a reality that supports our most innate truth, that I
AM \L ARL low do we create a stage and write a play that supports our transormation
into the Soereign Integral that is in act what we each are las religion shown the way las
spirituality low about science low about our education system Goernment

My point is that nothing that is currently in play is uniting us in equality and oneness. I you
look at eerything in your world ater you read this interiew, you will see that our world is
designed or a ery speciic unction, and this unction is to eel separation. It can be as
obious as the color o skin, gender and dierent cultures, to the subtler distinctions between
religions and spirituality, but the design is ractal and it inuses eerything in this world in this
common unity I hae called separation. Ironically, our unity is separation.
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I you agree, i you also see or sense this separation, you might also decide that it`s escalating,
not moing in the direction o unity, but urther towards diersiication and distinction, as i
the more granular humanity becomes in its inormation access and expression, the more it
drits apart into clumps o similarity that eign unity within the clump, but expresses separation
to the whole.

1he leaders o this world, whether they come rom political, economic, military, religious or
cultural perspecties, know how to speak the language o unity and oneness, but their actions
are the result o programs that oten act in reerse. 1his isn`t about thoughts and language.
1his is about behaiors and actions. People know how to disconnect rom their thoughts and
say one thing, and then do another. 1hey know how to eign care, but their actions
demonstrate hollowness.

1his is not an indictment to eery standing solution, but nothing has worked. Religion`s
ailure has birthed the nihilistic and disillusioned organizations o darkness and occult
experimentation. 1hey eed o one another. It`s symbiotic surial. But what is lost in this is
the reality that conusion and disaection reaches into the world`s populations and dulls our
collectie minds and hearts.

1here is hope. lope resides in the acuum o unity and oneness that is unaligned to anything
on this planet-no one owns it or controls it or administers it. 1here is no mediation or go-
between. It is completely unique. lor all intents and purposes, it has neer been seen or heard.
It is on the other side o the wall. 1his is our hope, as oreign and strange as it may seem.

\hat is in this world is not working, and it is because o separation. I don`t care i you read
the most esoteric, spiritual inormation on this planet, it is o separation. I`e read esoteric
spiritual documents oer the past twenty years that would make most people swoon and say to
themseles this is the highest inormation` or this inormation is true because it is so detailed,
no one could possibly know this much detail unless it was true.`

1he most esoteric inormation on this planet was not written by human beings, but through
human beings is-a-is channeling. 1he channeling speaks o wonderul spiritual realities, o
how humans and aliens are one, o how the deep psychology o human beings is constructed,
o the complex cosmological enironment in which humanity is nested. All wonderul
inormation except no one mentions how we are enslaed, or why, or by whom. Not one.

I these wonderul sources o inormation knew about how humanity is enslaed, wouldn`t
they share it Isn`t this the most basic point o inormation \hat the \ingMakers call the
inception point \hy hasn`t any o this esoteric literature shown this I`ll tell you, because the
beings are either inside the hologram and don`t realize it themseles, or are part o the
deception and are guarding its discoery rom humans. 1hey`re no dierent rom us-us, as
ininite beings. 1hey`re lost in this lologram o Deception as much as we are.

lor those o you who read this interiew and are unsettled by it. I can only say, gooa, you
should be. It`s a reality check on a cosmic, uniersal and indiidual leel. \ou can bathe in the
splendor o spirituality and quench your thirst with the presented masters, or you can deepen
your understanding o the reality that conronts us and stand up committed to apply your sel-
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expression in serice to truth. 1o walk your lie in the expression o resistie and insertie
behaiors. 1o be soereign and integral.

It isn`t about spouting high spiritual concepts in thoughts and words. 1hat is the relex o the
consciousness system-it`s parroting and robotic. Lie the I AM \L ARL in your behaiors
and leae the mind. Shutter it. 1he mind is programmed to compare and analyze, which eeds
the me-you separation.

Sorry about that, I got a little carried away with my answer.`

(&.&)C No, it was good to hear your passion or this. I guess the thing that`s interesting to me
is that the \ingMakers materials are esoteric, at least to me, and they seem to be explaining
cosmological systems and psychological structures, how is it dierent than what you were just
saying about the channeled inormation`

;.= ?+.65&C Sometime this year the \ingMakers site will be released on the Internet, at least
a part o it. Its only goal, according to its authors, is to introduce one concept: the Soereign
Integral. 1hat is the ractal seed or the inception point. 1he second phase will introduce
practical behaiors to support the soereign being in their deprogramming o what it means to
be a spiritual person. 1he third phase is to anchor the inception point, and create the crack in
the wall.`

(&.&)C \ou`e talked about the crack in the wall as the inception point. Can you elaborate on
that a bit more`

;.= ?+.65&C I will, but irst let me state something that I want to mention beore I orget.

1he youth o this world are impressionable. 1hey`re transitioning rom the subconscious
implants o their parents and oreathers to the creation o their own personality. 1hey want to
be dierent, they want to express themseles uniquely, and this opens them to inluence.
\here does this inluence arise Increasingly it comes through technology and the culture
creators o music, entertainment, games and books. 1hey bring the tools or youth to knit their
unique layer o personality that can use atop their genetic layer o consciousness-the

1he glamor models, as the \ingMakers reer to them, coney a powerul elixir, which is to
be selish and sel-obsessed. Narcissism is okay. Nihilism is the philosophy. 1his is prealent
and it will continue to spread, because this is Anu`s program. \hen technology is unleashed in
the orm o global platorms, the impressionable youth will inorm their consciousness and
personality layers by means o this underlying philosophical belie in nihilism.

1he way this seeps into the culture, through technology that helps codiy personality in our
youth is one o the clearest examples o how Marduk`s programming spreads. loweer more
sophisticated the technology becomes, the more integral it is to the person, the more the
culture creators will exercise this philosophical system in humanity.`

(&.&)C \hy`

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;.= ?+.65&C Because nihilism is the belie in nothing, and i kids build their personality and
belie system rom these ingredients, they will be more obedient to their internal programs.`

(&.&)C \hy`

;.= ?+.65&C I you don`t really beliee in the higher reality o our world, you are more
inclined to relinquish your soereignty or the I AM consciousness. 1he phrase selling my soul
to the deil,` is simply code or: .vrrevaer to tbe ritt of .vv ava ae.ire to tet biv ta/e v, tife for bi.
vro.e. 1he unstated objectie o that renouncing o the I AM is that Anu will gie me
something in return or my sacriice. But the only thing that is returned is slaery to the
system. \ou walk your lie according to your program, and the program ensures you are a
puppet-whether you are rich or poor.`

(&.&)C I`m glad you mentioned children, do you see them getting this And i so, at what

;.= ?+.65&C I you mean will children understand the inormation that I`e shared tonight,
yes, o course. In many ways, they`ll get it better than their adults counterparts whose luman
2.0 interace is more welded or inused into the human uniorm. But the \ingMakers hae
written the materials so that they will be understood by the prepared, and age is not the key
actor. It is the preparation.`

(&.&)C Like what I mean what constitutes preparation`

;.= ?+.65&C Preparation is willingness to change. It is a lack o ear to embrace a completely
new paradigm, and just as much, to release the old.

I a person is poorly prepared or this inormation, they deend what this inormation tears
down, which is nearly eerything. 1hey are not prepared to step into the acuum o change
that this inormation brings into their lie.`

(&.&)C But why`

;.= ?+.65&C It requires a lot o responsibility to accept this inormation. 1his inormation is
unsettling because you are on your own. !e are on our own. 1here is no saior or army o
angels or L1s who are going to collect the good and bring them to their heaenly home. 1his
also requires work. It is behaioral adjustments. It is impeccability. It is authenticity. It is
attentieness. It is caring. It is not a party. It is not surace cosmetics. 1his is the sober journey
into sel-realization no matter how that realization appears. It is a commitment to that premise.
\ou don`t say to yoursel, I`ll walk that path, but only i I get to go to heaen and rest in
paradise with beautiul souls all around me`. 1hat`s not this path.

lor those who want that path, they can subscribe to the religion or cult o their choice and
ind those kinds o promises aplenty. 1his inormation is or those interested in breaking
through to their true sel and in doing so, not to rest and relax. or. or party and enjoy, but
to sere truth through their behaiors until eeryone crosses into that reality o oneness and
equality rom which we came.`

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(&.&)C \ou were talking about the insertie behaiors a little earlier. I wrote some o them
down, but I didn`t hear the word loe`. Did I miss it, or is it missing or a reason`

;.= ?+.65&C Loe is not used requently in the \ingMakers materials in general. I think in
part that`s because the word carries so much baggage in this world. It has a kind o
sentimental, co-dependent energy in terms o relationships, and then in culture it`s used so
casually, almost like a catch-all phrase that people use to greet one another like how are you`

Loe is the uniication orce. It is only that, and yet, in many ways, that is eerything. lrom
the \ingMakers perspectie it is a ery important word-concept, een though they use it
sparingly. 1he six heart irtues I mentioned are considered the dierent ways in which loe
maniests in our behaiors. 1o this extent, loe is expressed in these irtuous behaiors like
gratitude, compassion, orgieness and humility. In that context, the six heart irtues,
collectiely, are the expression o loe in the human dimension.`

(&.&)C \hat about joy It also seems to be missing.`

;.= ?+.65&C I know this inormation seems ery sobering and unsettling. Because I deected
rom the ACIO, I hae two orces that would like me to ail. 1his pressure has weighed on
me. It had actiated a degree o paranoia within me that I didn`t know was possible. lor this
reason, joy, at least as it pertains to me, has not yet been a part o my personal experience.

I`m sure eeryone will receie these materials dierently, especially the inormation in this,
the ith, interiew. I would remind you that the emotional and eeling world is a unctional
implant and the emotions we attribute to our heart or soul are not truly coming rom those

(&.&)C 1hen, where do they come rom`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he layer o the mind known as the unconscious generates emotions, but they
are elt throughout the human body. 1he unconscious layer o the mind is interdimensional, so
it extends rom Bubble One to Bubble 1wo, which allows you to eel in the astral world or

\hen I express any o the heart irtues, I place them through the lens o oneness and
equality. 1hat`s where they achiee their potency in expression. 1hen I take that experience
and quite literally send it to my head region, imagining that experience is placed in the pineal
gland in the center o the brain. 1his is my way o mailing it to eeryone through the
unconscious mind.`

(&.&)C \hy do you call them heart irtues i emotions are generated by the unconscious`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he heart is a metaphor or the portal within each indiidual. It is relatiely ree
o the luman 2.0 interace and mind unctional implants, partly because o the
electromagnetic ield it produces, and partly because o its physical dynamics. 1he
\ingMakers suggest that the heart irtues should be experienced and expressed irst in this
region o the body, instead o the mind or head region, as a way to isolate the tendency o the
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mind to simulate these emotions rom the unconscious mind layer, where they, by deinition,
lack the same potency o expression, because they exist in separation.`

(&.&)C It sounds kind o complicated.`

;.= ?+.65&C I preer to look at the lip side. I I do nothing, i I go sit quietly in my chair
and meditate or study religious scripture or pray, how am I supporting the progress o this
reality I this world remains ensnared in deception, tbat`. complicated-not just or me, but
eery being in Bubbles One and 1wo.`

(&.&)C One o the things you`e mentioned requently is this notion o oneness and equality.
I understand the meaning and import o the words, but these are certainly not new concepts.
Doesn`t eery spiritual teacher say this`

;.= ?+.65&C Not all, but some do. \ou can go back 2,500 years to leraclitus, who
announced that all things are one. It is an important concept o human philosophy and to
some extent modern-day physics. \ith regard to religions, oten the ounder says one thing
and the ollowers who organize and interpret the ounder`s words and teachings alter it, but
oneness and unity hae not been mainstays o religion, particularly in the context o behaiors.

1he \ingMakers are ocused on behaioral intelligence expressed through the lens o
oneness and equality. 1he I AM \L ARL is rooted in this principle. It may not seem like a big
deal to adopt this simple philosophical perspectie, and rankly, it isn`t, because they`re simply
words and it`s only a concept. But i it`s gevvivet, adopted and anchored in the core o your
belie system, then you can possess the necessary commitment to express this in your
behaiors. And this is where most people will probably hae a problem.

1he luman 2.0 interace is ull o programming rom Marduk and the human unconscious.
It is weighed down in this quagmire like a person caught in quicksand, struggling to ind a rope
or anything solid to pull themseles out. 1he rope` in this case, is the simple ramework o I
AM \L ARL and applying it through our behaiors, but it has to line up. I you adopt the
ramework, but your behaiors do not relect this, the rope disappears.

1he uniication o all beings in all dimensions exists. It`s only when you step out o quantum
spacetime that you realize the illusion o separation, and retaining this basic truth o oneness
and equality in a luman 2.0 spacesuit is no simple task. 1hat`s why it must be more than
words, and the words must be practiced in the now.`

(&.&)C \hy are the \ingMakers doing it this way It seems so innocent. I mean, asking
people to become sel-aware and practice insertie and resistie behaiors. Ater hearing all o
what`s happening in the 1riad o Power, it seems like we`re using slingshots against their
stealth bombers. 1hey want a money system that makes us perpetually indebted-slaes to the
dollar, and they want this money system to be one currency. 1he most powerul people on the
planet with access to the best technology, the best weapons. how can we expect to preail i
they want transhumanism`

;.= ?+.65&C 1o understand why the \ingMakers are ocused on the Soereign Integral
process, you irst need to understand why the 1riad o Power is ocused on their plan.
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1he 1riad o Power beliees their One \orld concept is the right concept. 1hey want to
uniy humanity through a money system that they control, utilizing technology as another
means to uniy. Unity, in their minds, is more like shepherding the human herd into easy-to-
manage corrals and monitoring them or any rebellion. 1heir orm o unity is a chimera. It is
theater or display purposes, and nothing more. 1heir orm o we`re all in this together, let us
protect you` is simply more illusion and deception. 1heir plan or luman 3.0 remains used to
the same unctional implants that constitute luman 2.0, and that is separation.

As I said earlier, they are here to prepare or Anu`s return, whether they are conscious o it or
not. All aspects o the power system, including major religions, are here to prepare. 1hat is
their watchword: reare. 1he Anunnaki hae one dominant belie in humanity: we are weak
because we lie in ear and separation. \e do not stand up to the drip-drip-drip o
indoctrination or the slow, but persistent eaporation o our personal liberties.

Now, remember that the Anunnaki and their 1riad o Power are both calculating and patient.
\hat they established in our distant past is beginning to come to ruition. 1he inite seenty
year lie o a human being lacks patience. It is programmed to be impatient. 1his is against
ininite beings that see timelines in hundreds o thousands o years and can program indiidual
human beings within those timelines to achiee precisely what they want-i human beings
agree to it, i they don`t stand up.

1he Anunnaki do not embrace the Soereign Integral process. 1he notion o oneness and
equality seems like a weakness to them. 1hey beliee they hae the upper hand in this chess
match. 1hey oresee checkmate. lumans will old. 1he sacriice o Princess Diana last August
was symbolic o the ibrant queen being lost on the chessboard. 1hose are the kind o
messages they make, the kind o bold announcements. 1hey do this out o a eeling o
certainty in their programming and patience.

\hen I say programming, I don`t mean just the internal interace that Marduk has
programmed, but also the programming o the unconscious mind through the media, culture,
religion, politics and economic structure. 1he combination o these orces is really the cause o
their conidence, because they see our all as an ineitability.

Now, to answer your question, human beings, een those with Anunnaki DNA, can become
sel-realized o their true nature through a simple process. It doesn`t require that they meditate
and pray all day or retreat to an ashram. 1he Soereign Integral process becomes a natural part
o the lie expression o the indiidual. I enough human beings can embrace this process or
something like it, the crack in the wall will expand, the wall will become less stable, and the
world o separation, in its brittleness, will begin to crumble.

1he lie essence is what we hae on our side. 1his is vot a slingshot as you put it. It is the
ininite orce that powers eery object in the unierse. Lie is inside us and it exists in one and
only one state: equality and oneness. 1he entire lologram o Deception, as created and
curated by the Anunnaki and their cohorts, that is vot lie, it is the exemplar o separation. Lie
is truthul and authentic. Separation begets deception, unworthiness and ear.

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I enough human beings awaken, i we begin to realize what`s aoot, what plans are being
made to urther enslae us and ensure that we remain a part o the lologram o Deception,
lie will moe inside us and we can collectiely stand up and stop this, but it has to be done in
the right way, with honesty, orgieness and compassion. 1he alternatie to separation must be
expressed in our moements and practices. \e hae to model these behaiors as a cottectire
entity. 1hat is the deinition o 1he Grand Portal.`

(&.&)C \ou`e talked a lot about separation. Can you elaborate on why this concept is so

;.= ?+.65&C I you look at the material that comes rom religion, spirituality, philosophy,
psychology, een the arts, you will see that much o this material is designed to be an owner`s
manual or our unctional implants. 1hey support the luman 2.0 interace. 1hey instruct us
on the methods and attitudes to actiate these systems inside us.

I`e preiously mentioned the three layers o the consciousness interace-the conscious
mind, the subconscious and the unconscious. 1he unconscious is where we mostly operate in
terms o our behaiors and perceptions. 1he unconscious mind layer is deep and penetrating,
and it is uniersal. As I said, it`s how Anu uses the oneness concept to his beneit. \e are one
in separation. 1he unconscious mind is one.

Separation is a ractal energy. It inects eerything within the lologram o Deception to such
a degree that it`s not recognizable. No matter how well intentioned a person or organization
might be to coney true inormation, what oten lurks behind the inormation is this ractal
energy o separation and its use o comparison and judgment and all the other tools o
separation that distill down to ear and unworthiness.

It`s as i the internal programming o Marduk and the external programming o the 1riad o
Power echoes around in all content o all times and cultures, so common and accepted, as to
be unnoticeable. \e hae accepted separation, because it seems normal. 1hus our behaiors
and perceptions, drien largely by the unconscious mind, embody separation, and the ast
majority o us do not een know it.`

(&.&)C Okay, but then how do we become o aware o it`

;.= ?+.65&C A person must understand that they are being programmed. that`s a starting
point. I you don`t accept this basic premise, then why would you choose to change I you do,
then obsere the programming inside you, within others in your enironment, the larger
world, and begin to see how subtle this programming is.

In many ways, to obsere this programming requires us to be neutral, so we can simply
obsere our internal states and the messages therein, as well as those o the external program,
which come ia teleision, the Internet, email, newspapers, magazines, direct mail, and so on.
It isn`t critical that you know how eery program is expressed into your lie or what its esoteric
meaning is. \hat`s important is that you understand you are being programmed and you seek
an internal source o direction, inspiration and moement.

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1he Soereign Integral process is ocused on you-the indiidual-directing your own sel-
lie essence-to express itsel in oneness and equality. 1hat`s it. I you do this, then you are
releasing the hold o the programming. lor some this can be done quickly, and or others it
might require more diligent practice.`

(&.&)C Can I do this and still be a Christian or whateer I was raised in`

;.= ?+.65&C I suggest that anyone who resonates with this inormation try it out. See how it
moes them through their lie path. I they want to remain in their current structures, see i
elements o the Soereign Integral process could be applied. But i you don`t see separation in
your current practices, then stay there, because you won`t hae the motiation to be a

(&.&)C But you just said that most o us don`t see separation-`

;.= ?+.65&C I said that i you don`t see it in your current practice, then you won`t be
motiated to change. 1his process is all about change. Make no mistake about it. It is not
selish in any way. 1here is no burrowing into the bedrock o a belie system here that will
make you eel superior or priileged or wise. 1here really is no belie system here other than
the Soereign Integral process. 1here is no structure, no organization, no master, no
lierarchy, no one is aboe another or below another. Do you see 1his is not an organization
o this world. It cannot be o this world, otherwise it is subject to separation. 1he only way the
luman 3.0 SI maniests is inside enough human beings who exempliy this process, who
anchor this new consciousness o conduct on this planet and share it through their behaiors
and unconscious mind. 1hat`s the ovt, way, and not eeryone is prepared to do that.`

(&.&)C \hat happens i we see separation, but still don`t hae the motiation to make the
changes in our behaiors`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he unctional implants o the luman 2.0 interace are seldom easy to release.
1hey will hold on to your lie essence as long as they can. 1hey want to drie the human
essel, not hop in the backseat and watch as mere passengers. 1hat`s against their program.`

(&.&)C So talk about this resistance rom the unctional implants. low does it maniest`

;.= ?+.65&C I`m sure it`s an indiidual thing. I don`t pretend to know how it is or anyone
else. I can tell you rom personal experience that I initially died head irst into this process
and rearranged my lie. I thought I was doing a good job, and then a week or two later, I
ound mysel back to square one, exactly where I`d started. It elt like amnesia. It was as i I
had orgotten I was een doing a new practice. Admittedly, in my case, I had a lot o
distractions in my lie, but eeryone can probably say the same thing.

So I think this tendency, to return to the habits o the consciousness system inside our 2.0
interace, is the main way that resistance is expressed. Change, o this scope, is not an easy
proposition. 1he luman 2.0 mind doesn`t like the backseat.`

(&.&)C So what did you do, to return to the Soereign Integral process`

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;.= ?+.65&C \ell, or me, I needed to direct the techniques inward.`

(&.&)C Lxplain what you mean.`

;.= ?+.65&C I was directing the heart irtues outward to others, but I wasn`t turning them
inward to mysel. It dawned on me that the inward was probably the most important place to

(&.&)C low did you do that`

;.= ?+.65&C It takes great alertness to lie and express in the now. luman beings hae the
tendency to lie in our past memories or uture concerns. 1his was what I was doing and it
took me rom the now. And the now is where our lie essence expresses. It isn`t in the past or
uture, only the consciousness ramework piots between past and uture, so i you ind
yoursel in there, you know you are not in your essence.

\hen I realized this, I read rom the \ingMakers philosophy that breath was the magnet o
nowness. It was the element that brought the human being into nowness by being aware o
their breathing. I also learned that there were dierent kinds o breathing that enabled this
sense o nowness to penetrate more iidly into the lologram o Deception.

1he point is that simply being aware o my breath helped, as the \ingMakers put it, to center
me in stillness. 1his, by the way, doesn`t mean that you`re in a quiet room. \ou can be in a
meeting at work, and center yoursel in stillness through your breath. But by being in this
internal centeredness I was in a better position to eel my own sense o expression, and that`s
what was missing in my initial eorts to integrate this process. I didn`t hae a good starting
point or my practice o the heart irtues, and I was directing them outward-to other people
or eents, and not mysel irst.

Once I made that adjustment, it helped me to identiy my essence and distinguish it rom my
mind system. Lie essence is authentic in oneness and equality and exclusiely moes in
nowness. 1he consciousness ramework piots between the past, present and uture and
operates in separation. I you express the heart irtues rom the consciousness ramework,
especially outwardly, they won`t hae the same potency or eect.`

(&.&)C \ou`e mentioned the idea o resistie and insertie behaiors, and I think I
understand the insertie behaiors in terms o expressing the heart irtues to one`s sel and
others, but talk a little bit about the resistie behaiors. \hat are they, and how does that

;.= ?+.65&C Again, you need to start rom the point o distinguishing your lie essence in
the now. Center yoursel in nowness through being still and breath aware. Initially this may
take some time, but it happens quicker with practice. 1hought patterns that connect you to
separation need to be stopped. Behaiors, too.

\ou can simply say, I`e identiied a behaior that supports separation in this world. Let`s say
I hae belieed that Muslims are less moral than atheists, and thereore less likely to get into
heaen than someone who doesn`t een beliee in god. 1his is a belie or thought orm that
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relates to separation. I can say, .to tbat, but it`s not really eectie or most people. I can resist
the belie eery time it expresses itsel in my lie, but many o these belies are so subtle and
subconscious that we don`t een realize how they express themseles in our behaiors and

I you apply the heart irtues to yoursel, like orgie yoursel or haing these perceptions,
hae some compassion or yoursel that eeryone is inected with these separation belies rom
their subconscious and unconscious mind layers. Be humble that making this resistie
alteration is not just about you, but in a way, it`s about eeryone, because we are one.
Appreciate the act that you`re working on this or the good o all. lae alor that you can
stand up and resist these separation complexes that lurk in your programmed consciousness

\ou can see how I used the heart irtues to eectiely deal with a belie or perception that
separated me, not just rom Muslims, though they were the target in this particular example,
but when you draw separation lines around anyone, you`re operating rom the consciousness
system implant, and it only supports the lologram o Deception.`

(&.&)C Okay, but you`re not suggesting that I look at rapists and murderers as one with me
are you`

;.= ?+.65&C \ell that`s just it. 1hey are. \ou can`t hae oneness and equality and then say,
well, that`s true, except or this population o society or these elons o the human race. 1here
is no leper colony where humans are excluded outside o the circle. 1he circle is all-inclusie,
or it is in illusion. 1his is an absolute.

Remember my statement about the lologram o Deception is a prison`

(&.&)C \es.`

;.= ?+.65&C 1here is no other prison inside the prison. \e`re all in the prison. All o us are
prisoners, een those who are in the Incunabula. 1here is no one who stands inside the prison
walls and truly knows oneness and equality.`

(&.&)C But then how does it change, i no one knows this`

;.= ?+.65&C It`s a process-both or the indiidual and the human race. \e work on it,
together. \e resist behaiors o separation and insert behaiors o oneness and equality. \e
disengage rom the thoughts, ideas, belies, principles, people, organizations, currencies, ood,
clothing, ashion, toys, and eerything else within the lierarchy whose roots are nourished by

(&.&)C \hen you put it that way, it sounds daunting, een impossible.`

;.= ?+.65&C It has to be done, and it has to be done by us. 1he question is, i it has to be
done, when does humanity want to do it Now A hundred years A thousand years 1en
thousand years 1he \ingMakers are clear about this in their writings that i we wait until ater
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luman 3.0, when man and machine become integrated, it will only become more diicult.
Lnslaement o lie must end, at all leels.`

(&.&)C I want to shit to something that`s been bothering me about this whole conersation,
and that is the issue o a God. lrom your description, God, as we`e come to think o him or
her. or it, is an illusion. It`s really a being who presents himsel as God. So the question is, is
there a real God`

;.= ?+.65&C 1hanks or asking that question. I meant to bring it up on my own, and I think
I sidetracked mysel.

Let`s go back to the thought experiment about the bubbles. 1here is a presentation o a god,
which as I`e said, is Anu. 1his is the god that Muslim, Jew and Christian alike reere and
worship. 1his is the god who desires to return and proide a clear supremacy oer humankind
to direct humanity to a luman 3.0, one-world-transhumanist-existence that would stretch into

As I`e said, there`s a lie essence inside all beings, including the Anunnaki, and this lie
essence is ininite. I you understand ininite, then you understand it is outside o spacetime. I
a being is outside o spacetime, it is not deined by polarities like birth and death, creation and
destruction, good and eil, and so orth. It is beholden to none o our ocabulary and

1hus, when the \ingMakers decided it was time or this inormation to become aailable on
earth, it was oered, in terms o its text, as a bridge. In other words, it was decelerated to our
language constructs-`

(&.&)C And other orms o media, too, like the music and art.`

;.= ?+.65&C \es, but in a dierent application. All o this inormation needed to be encoded
in a way that would be acceptable to two sources o scrutiny. One was Anu and his lierarchy,
the other, the indiidual. \hich is why the material in this interiew will only be released when
certain conditions are met, and the \ingMakers are reasonably satisied that the inormation
will not be taken down by the lierarchy or dismissed as a airytale by the indiiduals they are
trying to reach.

Now, when this deceleration occurred, they elected to release the inormation in phases.
Phase one would be encoded in a way that would allow people to understand the world
outside o the lologram o Deception, but in a ramework that`s somewhat amiliar, that`s
resonant with the eoling belies on the planet.

lence, the idea o lirst Source, Source Intelligence,
Soereign Integral, human
instrument. all o these concepts will be proided without contextual details, because i they
were included, the inormation that I`m telling you tonight would be purged by the lierarchy.

Source Intelligence is the energy-intelligence oI First Source that serves to accelerate the expansion oI consciousness and
supports those who desire to unlimit themselves.
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1he entire eent string would be taken down. 1he inception point o the portal and grand
portal would hae been mired in doubt.

So, it will be dispensed in the manner it must. 1his is not in my control.`

(&.&)C \hat does this hae to do with the existence o a God or not`

;.= ?+.65&C I just wanted to clariy that the word goa means multiple things and it needs to
be clear what meaning is being used. 1hat`s why, in part, the \ingMakers don`t use the word
god` but instead use the word lirst Source. loweer, in their later philosophical writings,
ater Chamber Six, they don`t use this word, or the reasons I mentioned. But these are ery
subtle intonations in their writings, as they try to weae their messages into our modern day
culture without being targeted by hierarchical censors.`

(&.&)C 1here are literally people who censor this inormation`

;.= ?+.65&C 1here are people who censor and control inormation eerywhere-in the
media, the goernment, the military, the sciences, education, religion. eerywhere. 1he
lierarchy has a complete army o censors. 1he ast majority don`t know who they really work
or, they`re just enorcing what they`e been hired to enorce. It`s just a job. But technology
platorms exist primarily or censorship. Intelligence gathering enables NSA censorship and
inormation control. It`s their job to ilter, control and manipulate inormation. 1he system o
mass sureillance isn`t deployed to protect the masses, it`s to control them, to keep them inside
the prison-rom Anu`s perspectie, and controllable-rom the elite perspectie.`

(&.&)C \ou`re not saying that the NSA cares about things like this, are you`

;.= ?+.65&C Not in the sense o how god is deined, but it`s through their sureillance
platorms that those in the lierarchy are alerted to inormation that details critical aspects o
their lologram o Deception. 1hat kind o inormation is ed upstream to those who do

(&.&)C I that`s the case, then wheneer this gets released, it`ll get censored, so what`s the

;.= ?+.65&C 1his is all about timing. I this gets released it will be because the \ingMakers
hae conidence that it will pass censorship. Something will hae happened to enable it.`

(&.&)C I`m aware you haen`t really answered my question yet on God, so I do want to come
back to that, but with the Internet these days, couldn`t you just drop this whole inormation on
the public at one time It`d go out to a ew thousand people and then they could put it out on
other sites and it would just grow in geometrical progression. low could they hold it back or
censor it`

;.= ?+.65&C It would be modiied. It`s a complete set o inormation. Once it got out in that
ormat, some would claim their ersion is the original and others would claim that their
ersion was the original, and they might be as dierent as black and white in some areas. It
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only creates conusion, and once there`s conusion, it`s impossible to bring clarity. In
intelligence circles this is called reputation destruction.

1hink o it like this. \ou hae a set o inormation that is targeted to speciic beings that lie
eerywhere on the planet. \ou wait until there is a communication system that can get to each
o these beings. \ou hae to make sure that the inormation is as pure as it can be, but still get
past the censors, so you encode it and release it in phases.

1he irst phase is released as a real eent, to test the waters o reaction. 1he second phase is
released with new content and modiications, emphasizing that it`s a mythology. 1his is to
reassure the censors. 1he third phase will get more inoled in practices and behaiors, but
without ull context. 1he ourth phase will probably be the human portal. 1he ith phase will
probably be this interiew. And the phases that ollow will depend on how this interiew is
receied. So eery release is being obsered by both the lierarchy and the \ingMakers.`

(&.&)C Okay, let`s go back to the God discussion.`

;.= ?+.65&C \es. so, to answer your question, is there a god 1here are many gods. Some
beings present themseles as gods, and some beings manipulate others to such a degree that
they become regarded as gods. And then there are collectie intelligences that moe between
the quantum membranes and simulate god-like qualities o omniscience and omnipotence, but
they are not gods in the sense o being 1he Creator. 1here are een some beings that present
themseles as god through a human channel.

1he iew o the \ingMakers is that the oldest ciilizations in the unierse beliee there is a
Creator, but that this Creator, known in the \ingMakers philosophy as lirst Source, is so
undamental that it is the ractal essence o all lie in all ariations. It is the quantum zygote o
lie at the most oundational leel. It is not truly knowable as we think o knowledge. It is
experiential through sound that eokes this tone o equality spoken o in the \ingMakers
philosophy. It`s not apprehended through the mind, which makes it hard to describe or

1his is the problem with anything so elemental that it all but disappears. low do you coney
it in such a way that it can hold a human being`s attention`

(&.&)C So there`s a God, but it`s unapproachable, is that basically it`

;.= ?+.65&C \es, but I want to mention that the relationship is to a Creator, not a god. 1he
Creator is in all lie. God is more o a parent, and in religious circles, a ather igure who is
humanized to such a degree that we can pray to god to gie us things, help us remoe
obstacles, crush our enemies and so on. Creator is aligned to oneness and equality, while god is
aligned to separation and ear.

lirst Source is the Creator o lie-the maniest reality o all existence. 1he Creator lies
within lie as the ininite spark that connects all lie as equals in oneness. It is not here to be
humanized. It cannot be humanized, or or that matter, reduced to any other lie orm or
thing. 1he Creator is the conjoining o all existence in the equality o oneness, and when that
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occurs, tbev god exists. \hen it does not, there is no god in existence, only a Creator. It is
really that simple.

As it is said in arious religious texts that god created man in his image or likeness. And
proided you understand Anu as god, then this is a reasonably true statement. loweer, the
Creator created the ininite spark that animates the human orm, and so the Soereign Integral
is the creation, and Anu had nothing to do with this. le merely igured out a way to enslae it.

1he last thing I`ll say about the concept o god is that it`s used by religions to separate
ourseles rom responsibility. It allows us to say, I`m not responsible or poerty or war or
child abuse. 1here is a god who is much higher than us. God created the world, be is in charge.
I he allows war and poerty, who am I to bear responsibility 1he wrongdoers will pay in hell,
and the tormented will reign in heaen.

So god, or the concept o god, releases us rom responsibility. 1he Creator, on the other
hand, is not this way, because we`re all bound in oneness, and what happens to one happens to
all, and thereore, we`re all responsible or allowing separation to rule our behaiors. It`s
important to recognize the dierence between the constructs o Creator and god, especially
within the lologram o Deception.`

(&.&)C Ater hearing all o this explanation-not just about God. Creator, but the whole
interiew tonight, why couldn`t it hae just been released as it is deined in this interiew \hy
een release the irst phases i they lacked this context`

;.= ?+.65&C I`e tried to answer this already. let me put it this way, but understand that
this is speculation, so take it as such. 1here`s no assurance that this will get released or stay
released. 1hat`s one reason. 1here may be other indiiduals that need the earlier phase
inormation, because it bridges their current belies better than the later phase inormation.
1hat`s another reason. Remember, this is as much about redeining the unconscious mind as it
is anything else. 1he unconscious mind is the backdoor` that the Anunnaki let open in their
designs. 1hat`s where the hacking ector can come in, and that`s how the \ingMakers
inormation was brought in.`

(&.&)C \hat do you mean by hacking ector`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he \ingMakers are hacking the program o our consciousness ramework as
designed by the Anunnaki, programmed internally in the DNA and unctional implants by
Marduk, and programmed externally by the lierarchy, a.k.a. the Illuminati, Globalists, New
\orld Order elite, Bilderberg Group, etc.

1he \ingMakers must come into these programs rom ectors that are less protected or
deended by censors, and hae the potential or quick spread. Bear in mind, that while the
unctional implants o the luman 2.0 interace are programmable, should they become hacked
or altered, they can be upgraded or patched just like sotware. So the ideal method to enter the
human domain is to enter through a backdoor, appear harmless, een part o the order, and
then quietly seed a ractal process that can spread through the unconscious mind layer.

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1hat ector is not altering the program rom the hardware or sotware perspectie. It utilizes
the consciousness ramework in the luman 2.0 interace without changing its programming.
It`s like an app riding on top o the operating system. It needs to be inisible until certain
conditions are met. Once those conditions are met, it can be released, and once it is spread, it
cannot be stopped.`

(&.&)C I`m not amiliar with the term app,` what does it mean`

;.= ?+.65&C It`s a sotware application that`s not part o the OS, but uses the OS or
operating system.`

(&.&)C I it isn`t changing the consciousness ramework, then what`s it doing`

;.= ?+.65&C It allows indiiduals to initiate their own Soereign Integral process, which
allows them to release the hold o these systems on their lie essence. It`s less about modiying
or changing the program than it is about releasing the hold that these programs hae on the
consciousness o the lie essence.`

(&.&)C Okay, I think I understand. so I want to go back to this process. \ou said it has two
main parts, insertie behaiors and resistie behaiors. \ou also mentioned something about
breath, but I didn`t hear you say anything speciic about it.`

;.= ?+.65&C \es, the breath is an important way to bring you into sel-awareness. It`s like a
quantum light turning on that illuminates your lie essence-that part o you that is not o the
luman 2.0 interace. \ou`re able to sense and begin to re-experience this ininite being that is

1he breath is something that anyone can use without a lot o complication, and obiously, it`s
always with you. It doesn`t require any technology or expertise. It`s really just a way to shit
attention to the core o your sel. 1he \ingMakers write about quantum breathing or
quantum pause. It`s a technique rom Philosophy Seen.`

(&.&)C Can you explain it`

;.= ?+.65&C It`s ery simple. \ou breathe in through your nose or about 2-4 seconds or
whateer`s comortable or you. Once you`e illed your lungs, you pause or hold your breath
or the same amount o time you breathed in. \hile you`re in the pause-holding your
breath-eel it like a suspension o time, and ill that space with the eeling o I AM.`

(&.&)C Okay, sorry to interrupt, but tell me again, what is the I AM eeling low do you
deine it`

;.= ?+.65&C It`s the soereign aspect o consciousness. It`s not the personality that deines
your human experience, or you typically associate with as yoursel. It is the ininite
consciousness o you. It is also one. I is one. It is one thing: ininite lie. It is not the mind, nor
the heart, nor the body, nor the eelings and emotions o the personality. It is singular in its
depth and silence.`

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(&.&)C Okay, go on.`

;.= ?+.65&C Ater you hold the breath in your lungs, and anchor it with the I AM eeling,
you exhale through your mouth, again or the same period o time, and then you pause
again-your lungs are empty, and as you pause, you hold the eeling o \L ARL. 1hen you
repeat this cycle until you eel you`re done.`

(&.&)C Can you explain the \L ARL eeling, too`

;.= ?+.65&C 1his is the sense o connection to all. 1he sense that you are connected and
that the I AM eeling you held a moment ago is being shared with all. I use the outbreath
pause to place any o the heart irtues that I`m working on at the time. lor example, I might
be working on the irtue o compassion in my personal lie, and I can hold that eeling in that
outbreath pause and imagine it is being shared with all.`

(&.&)C I think I understand what you`re saying, and I don`t want you to take this the wrong
way, but how can this possibly compete with a globalist agenda o world takeoer`

;.= ?+.65&C It`s a air question. But look at the reality.

1here are many who`e protested this enslaement. 1hroughout history there`e been people
that hae come to this realization through arious means, and they alerted people to this
deception. 1hey may call it a conspiracy without really understanding the depth o this
deception or its ultimate plan, but in whateer way they know o this and at whateer leel,
they all experience ear. 1he ear is that we`re powerless to stop them.

1he capstone o the elite hae been planning this or more than eleen thousand years,
beore luman 2.0 een existed the plot was deised. 1hey hae powerul interdimensional
beings that know humanity on an intimate leel, because they literally created the human
being, and they can program humanity with such granularity as to deine our lie paths down
to our day-to-day choices.

low can one possibly deeat such an antagonist 1hey hae the money, they hae the
politicians in their pockets, they hae the deense and protection, they hae the powerul
relationships eerywhere in the world and they hae the most powerul technology in terms o
sureillance and weapons. 1heir innermost circle is impenetrable.

\e can be wide awake and aware o what`s happening, but awareness doesn`t suddenly-in
itsel-change the chessboard. 1hey taunt us to protest. \ae your signs, publish your
websites, ling your ists to the sky, inestigate all you want, it won`t change a thing. 1hey will
tell us to our aces that their power is inexhaustible. 1his is how they think.

1hey want us to eel this utility and hae this oerriding sense that the endgame is
unaoidable. 1hey want us to beliee that we are powerless. Remember, they are securing the
world and its populations or the return o Anu. 1hat is their program, and while only the
capstone o the elite understands this plan, it is enough, because the downstream operaties
are loyal, programmed entities.

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All one needs to do is to watch Madeline Albright in that 60 Minutes interiew and you will
understand how they hae been programmed to think-`

(&.&)C I don`t think I saw that, what did she do`

;.= ?+.65&C About a year and hal ago, Lesley Stahl o 60 Minutes asked the U.S.
Ambassador to the United Nations, Madeleine Albright, i the death o a hal-million children
was worth the price to essentially punish Saddam lussein. Albright responded that it was. \ou
see, this is the enemy that holds power. I they can justiy killing children, they can do

1he \ingMakers hae written that it isn`t the protests that will change this enemy. I we
shout at them and practice resistance with our guns in the street, they will only squash us. 1o
bring their objectie to a halt, we need to push down the wall, and we can do this by being
practitioners o the Soereign Integral process or anything similar.

I human beings become sel-aware, de-programmed entities, who understand speciically
how we hae been enslaed and or what reason, we can collectiely push down the wall that
separates us rom our true seles. 1his creates a chain reaction that aects eeryone, including
the capstone o the elite. 1he wall alls or them, too.

It`s using the consciousness o the lie essence to reeal the luman 2.0 consciousness as an
inented reality. It`s weaning rom the lologram o Deception to the reality that all lie exists
ininitely as equals in oneness.`

(&.&)C Okay. but how do we know that will be successul against them`

;.= ?+.65&C \e don`t. other than what I said beore, that the \ingMakers are humans
who hae time traeled to share this Soereign Integral ramework. I realize this sounds like
science iction meets Daid and Goliath. I can appreciate that, but I`m explaining what I know
as directly and honestly as I can describe it. I anyone reads this interiew, assuming it`s
released sometime in the uture, then you can decide or yoursel i what I say stands up to
your scrutiny.

I would just caution some to consider the possibility that should you dismiss it, your reaction
could be a programmed response. It is your consciousness ramework that is sensing and
responding. Consider this beore you dismiss this inormation as iction.`

(&.&)C But how would a person know this I ind mysel doubting this disclosure. I don`t
ind it ery plausible. As a journalist I`m trained to be suspicious o sources, and as much
inormation as you`e shared with me, I ind mysel wondering how this is possible and I
haen`t heard about it.`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he lierarchy practices deception by controlling the buttons on the machine
o absolute power. 1his machine is-`

(&.&)C But you yoursel said the Internet was not something that they wanted to get out.`

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;.= ?+.65&C 1rue, but whateer technology is released, they will ind a way to use it to their
adantage. It doesn`t matter what the technology is, they will ind a way to subert it, modiy it
and use it or their agenda. 1hese are extremely bright beings that are obsessed with the
centralization o power and control so that Anu can insert himsel without resistance.`

(&.&)C \hat i enough people woke up and rebelled Couldn`t we start a reolution and
oerthrow these crazy criminals`

;.= ?+.65&C 1hey are not crazy, they are deceptie intelligences who hae lost all sense o
connection to their true seles. In many ways, they are the ones who are lost, and because they
are so lost, they hae led the unsuspecting to their haze o obedience. \e hae ollowed them.
1hat`s our responsibility. 1he material is here, in this interiew, to wake up. But it`s one thing
to wake up, and it`s another thing to know what to do about it.

\ou mention a reolution, according to the \ingMakers it would be a waste o lie. 1hey are
not going to relinquish what they hae worked so hard and long to produce. 1his will only
change when the wall is pushed down. 1he wall is the luman 2.0 consciousness ramework
that is programmed within eery human being. 1he wall needs to be pushed down, and the
way this occurs is not through protest, storming the gates, or shaking our collectie ists in
their ace. It must be done through indiidual sel-realization, and this, because o our
programming, requires us to ollow a process that enables us to become sel-realized o our
lie essence.

I we remain in separation, we can`t sole the problem o separation. I we remain in
deception, we can`t reeal anything o our true nature. So we need to see all as one and equal
in this lologram o Deception, and that includes the capstone o the elite, as much as the
poor and hungry.`

(&.&)C I don`t see how people will be able to do that. Maybe I`m a pessimist, I don`t know,
but will enough people really be able to do this`

;.= ?+.65&C At the heart o this whole situation is a single reality, and that reality, as hard as
it may be to touch, is that we are ininite beings. Lerything that is o spacetime is within the
lologram o Deception. Lerything.

\hich reality do you beliee is more powerul and lasting`

(&.&)C \hateer is ininite.`

;.= ?+.65&C Don`t beliee the programming that you are powerless. 1he Soereign Integral
process demonstrates that you are not merely a programmed lie existence.`

(&.&)C I eel I could go on with this conersation or another couple hours, but I also sense
you`re trying to close it up. low are you doing on time`

;.= ?+.65&C I can go a little longer i you hae more questions.`

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(&.&)C I hae lots o questions. how about i we take a short break and I`ll take that time to
reiew my notes, and then I`ll try and keep my next set o questions to another iteen minutes
or so. low does that sound`

;.= ?+.65&C Sure, that`s ine.`

(&.&)C Great, then we`ll begin in 10 minutes.`

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(&.&)C 1he tape is rolling again, and I`e got my questions. Are you ready`

;.= ?+.65&C \es.`

(&.&)C Okay, good. Does it seem like a strange coincidence that the Labyrinth Group was
trying to create time trael technology and you stumbled upon the \ingMakers who are time

;.= ?+.65&C Not entirely-`

(&.&)C But how do you really know that they`re not aliens or some other non-human

;.= ?+.65&C Sometimes you just hae to take things at ace alue when there`s no eidence
to the contrary and no eidence that would support any reason or them to misrepresent

(&.&)C 1hrough all o my discussions with you, this interiew is like someone coming into
my home and rearranging all the urniture. \hat adice do you hae or anyone who reads this
and gets a little paranoid or uneasy about this inormation and what should they do about it`

;.= ?+.65&C 1his disclosure is not meant to righten anyone or make them paranoid. It`s
meant to support them in their own awakening as ininite beings. 1hat`s really it. 1hat`s the
inormation`s purpose. 1his includes all o the \ingMakers inormation in whateer orm it`s

1here`s a core stability inside you that`s been sidelined in aor o a manuactured or
programmed response to lie. \ou are programmed to ear, because then you will abdicate
your liberties to your saiors. And who do you suppose your saiors will be \ho is it that
makes Saddam lussein out to be a monster while they kill hundreds o thousands o children
to proe their power is moral 1he entities behind that power are the ones who will step
orward and claim to sae you. low they will do this is an unknown, but I hae no doubt they
will do it.

And eery time they do it, the corrals grow in number and the populations inside the corrals
swell in size. 1he ences get higher. 1hose who remain outside the corrals will think they hae
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insight or special inormation that allows them to remain independent or ree, but they`re still
operating inside their luman 2.0 interace.

1he only real question, as I see it, has two parts: one, do I sere truth or deception` And
two, how do I best sere truth`

I you eel that the best way to sere truth is to protest, resist, build awareness about what is
happening in the world, then do that, but I would recommend doing it rom a non-polarity
perspectie. \ou can`t ight separation with more separation, it will only polarize. It`s
important to eel that you are standing up, not in ear or some other programmed emotion,
but that you are aligned to your lie essence and in expression o that source within you, een
when you protest.

Others may preer to undergo the Soereign Integral process and ocus on this more internal
stratagem. 1here is no ormula here, and certainly you can do both. But to know this
inormation and then remain passie-a pure obserer-is a programmed response, and that
is not an answer to how do I best sere truth` It is a denial o truth.`

(&.&)C \ou mentioned earlier that the Anunnaki lent their DNA to the luman 2.0. It
suggests then that their DNA would be present in a lot o us. Is that the case`

;.= ?+.65&C 1his is a ery complicated subject. \es, according to the \ingMakers, the
Anunnaki, in an attempt to enhance human DNA, conducted, what we would call today, in
itro ertilization experiments with human women. 1hey wanted their DNA to create a
subspecies that could endure generationally to produce loyalists. 1he Sirians did the same
thing. In terms o DNA tendencies, the Anunnaki were conquerors, and the Sirian progeny
were colonists. 1hat`s being ery general, admittedly, but in broad terms that was the nature o
their bloodlines, when compared to their human counterparts.

1he DNA template or luman 2.0 was Anunnaki, but it had been altered. 1his is where the
subject gets complicated. 1he Anunnaki are not physical beings. 1hey did not exist in three-
dimensional density as we know it today. 1he earth, 500,000 years ago, was a ery dierent
place in terms o its density and the graitational ields that bathed it. 1he Anunnaki were
interdimensional beings, meaning they are ininite just as we are, but without the physical
body. loweer, all beings possess DNA. It`s the quantum equialent o a blueprint. So they
experimented with how to use their DNA to create physical beings that could unction in
accordance to their agenda, which as I said, was initially mining gold, but later turned to the
enslaement o a species who would worship Anu.

\hen the Anunnaki ertilized human women it was with royal bloodlines, and this was not a
coincidence. 1hey wanted these royal bloodlines to sustain oer thousands o generations so
they could more easily acilitate their master plans on earth.`

(&.&)C \as this a nationalistic thing`

;.= ?+.65&C low do you mean that`

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(&.&)C \ere Anunnaki bloodlines mostly Arab, Jewish, or Gentile \ere there certain
characteristics that were noticeable in the physical body`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he Anunnaki bloodlines were initially Babylonian and Lgyptian, but they hae
spread into nearly all races. It probably wouldn`t be an oerstatement to say that nearly eery
person on the planet today has some ractional percentage o Anunnaki royal DNA.`

(&.&)C \hat were they, in terms o their look I assume they look like us.`

;.= ?+.65&C \es. It was Atlantean, Anunnaki and Sirian body styles that were eectiely
blended to create the luman 1.0 prototype. All o these beings, though less dense, looked
similar to a human orm. Races did not intermingle, as they were ery cautious not to intermix
their DNA, because they were uncertain o the eect and how it might pollute or mutate
through their genetics. But remember, the human physical body was an experiment, and they
literally looked at it as physical protection, just like we would look at a spacesuit.

None o these races lied in the density o earth, or an earth-like planet. 1hey didn`t realize
how earth would interact with their creation and cause it to eole in directions that they
couldn`t control or predict. Larth, as I preiously said, was like a random ariable, imposing
itsel on the human body through its graitational ields.

1he interbreeding between Anunnaki and human women took place around 6,000 BCL and
it was a designed eent, not some lustul dalliance with the daughters o men, as it is
sometimes portrayed in Sumerian texts. 1his was part o the design to place a subspecies
within the human race that would conquer and control the earth`s resources. It was to
consolidate and centralize resources or Anu, and to ensure that the world`s wealth could be
placed into his waiting hands when he returned.`

(&.&)C 1he whole thing about LLRM ,Light-Lncoded Reality Matrix, and how the Labyrinth
Group had seen it as God, I don`t understand that i liteen had read the same inormation as
you, how he wouldn`t hae come to the same conclusions as you. I know you mentioned that
you had additional contacts with the \ingMakers, and this coninced you o the authenticity
o the inormation, but why do you think liteen clung to his perspectie`

;.= ?+.65&C \ou can look at LLRM as the connection between the earth plane and the non-
physical planes o the hologram that Anu constructed inside our unctional implants. LLRM
was the connectie web, and it was bi-directional-meaning that Anu could be projected into
any being`s consciousness ramework to be seen or heard, and it also meant that Anu could
detect and iew into the lie o an indiidual being. LLRM is known as the \hite Light, and
the Great \hite Brotherhood is known as its guardians. 1hey appropriated Jesus and Buddha
as their oundational pillars, stole the concept o I AM, mashed these elements with the \hite
Light that had been a actor in eery religious, occult and esoteric doctrine throughout time,
and announced in the 1950s that 1he Great \hite Brotherhood was a real organization.

Soon ater that, ascended masters began to join the swelling ranks, as human channelers
began to be the spokespeople o these entities. lrom the \ingMakers perspectie, these
entities are ixtures o the polarity plan to keep human beings irmly anchored in separation,
distraction and deception.`
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(&.&)C \hat does this hae to do with liteen`s decision`

;.= ?+.65&C Sorry, I got a little sidetracked. liteen knew o the Great \hite
Brotherhood. It`s considered a ery important element in the oerall lierarchy-ery near the
capstone o the elite or what I earlier called the Incunabula. 1he Great \hite Brotherhood
was seen as a means to bring occult or secret inormation to the planet, and it was designed to
balance the moement o secularization, which was to essentially rid the planet o religion and
bring science to the stage.

liteen was not suiciently coninced to make a break rom the Incunabula and the Great
\hite Brotherhood. le preerred to iew LLRM as proo o God, and leae his world intact.
1his is not, by the way, an uncommon reaction to this inormation. And intellects, as brilliant
as liteen`s, will make this choice to stay in the known world instead o enture into the
unknown. In liteen`s case, he had too much to lose.`

(&.&)C \hy did the elite want to get rid o religion`

;.= ?+.65&C lirst, I want to correct you on your choice o words. It isn`t the etite, as most
people think o them. 1he ast majority o the elite are corporate citizens, inancial managers,
goernment managers, political heayweights, military commanders and the like. 1hey are not
making these decisions. 1he ast majority hae no idea who or what the agenda is. 1hat`s why
I reer to it as the ca.tove o the elite. 1hese are ones who hae been preparing the world or
Anu`s return.

Now, back to your question, religion was seen as an obstacle to the one world order. 1he
quantum world o science was lexing its muscles, disproing key elements o religious
doctrine, and it would, i let unmanaged, eriy the hologram-but not the deception. 1he
Great \hite Brotherhood was launched to the public in the 1950s, just as the quantum world
was beginning to signal its stature, but it goes back to the eighteenth century when it was
reerred to as the Council o Light, and een beore that it was a concept held in many secret

1he idea o ascended masters, communicating with one another telepathically and instructing
and guiding the aairs o men, gained some popularity with those who were disenchanted with
organized religion. 1o be air, some o the channeled inormation did come rom beings that
were considerably more inormed than the aerage man, and they could bedazzle most people
with their superior knowledge o the cosmological order and the structure o things relatie to
god, but their description and explanation was ounded in the lologram o Deception. \hile
these masters supposedly channeled the secret or hidden knowledge to their selected students,
who then wrote books and created organizations, this inormation continued to separate the
worlds o light and dark, good and eil and those in the know rom those who were not.

1hey used words like loe, ascension, truth, and god more liberally than organized religions,
and god was always portrayed as a loing, congealing orce. Angels and cosmic beings were
also associated with these organizations. 1hey not only appropriated symbols and constructs
like the soul and eternal lie, but they also created the ladder o consciousness that stretched
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into ininity in which the student was oreer trying to learn more to progress higher on the

1he eleation o one oer another. 1his was the key concept o the separation tactic o the
Great \hite Brotherhood and rankly, all secret societies. Create diisions o knowledge, add a
ritual or two, and promise more power and awareness as you, the student, walk the path. 1hey
don`t talk about how to deprogram rom separation, instead they reinorce it.`

(&.&)C \ou`e shared inormation in preious interiews about the Central Race. In my
notes, you een said they were responsible or our DNA. Are they the Anunnaki`

;.= ?+.65&C No. No, you hae to deine DNA in two ways. One is the human instrument
or body, emotions and mind system, and that stems rom one system o DNA, courtesy o the
Anunnaki and Sirians mostly. 1he second is the ininite being inside the human instrument,
which is also based on DNA, which is the quantum blueprint o the Soereign Integral
consciousness. 1he latter is the DNA deeloped by the Central Race.`

(&.&)C In the second interiew you made some pretty big claims about the seen sites o the
\ingMakers being a deensie weapon, and that this somehow related to the indiidual`s
experience o the \ingMakers materials. In light o this disclosure tonight, can you explain
how this works`

;.= ?+.65&C 1he entire import o the \ingMakers disclosure is about the Soereign
Integral, and how humanity beneits when this state o consciousness is seated within the
human expression. 1he requirement to keep this disclosure in the realm o science iction and
mythology was why I mentioned this deensie weapon-`

(&.&)C So you`re saying this was just a story`

;.= ?+.65&C 1hat part was. \ou see, the \ingMakers materials are, by design, composed o
many strands o inormation. Some strands are storytelling, some are artistic, some are
spiritual, some are conspiratorial and some are designed to be actual, coherent disclosures o
what is really happening in our world. 1he strands o the storytelling encase the other
strands-in a way, they shield these inner strands.

I`e already explained why it happened this way, and while some might eel it would be easier
to just gie the acts, i these acts were disclosed now, you would not hae seen, heard or read
this inormation. 1he \ingMakers materials would hae been censored or taken down and
discredited. I`m sure there`ll be a good dose o that anyway, when and i this interiew is
released, but the story strand was necessary to proide an acceptable container to release the
Soereign Integral process.`

(&.&)C But this concerns me that the inormation you`e proided in the preious our
interiews is created, at least in part, as a story. low do I present it to any reliable news source
as true`

;.= ?+.65&C \ou can`t.`

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(&.&)C So then what do I do with it`

;.= ?+.65&C Lither you will release it as a story, or I will. I you preer not to, I understand.`

(&.&)C Couldn`t you just tell me what parts are story, and what parts are true`

;.= ?+.65&C I could, but this isn`t how I`e been asked to release the inormation.`

(&.&)C But I`e inested a lot o time in this already, and i I inest my reputation as well,
then I need to ocus on the true parts, otherwise, I can`t substantiate anything when I`m asked
i, in my opinion, it`s a true story.`

;.= ?+.65&C Leryone wants to know the absolute truth. 1hey want someone to point to
this phrase or that precept or that doctrine and explain to them that tbat is truth, beliee it.
1hat`s been the game on this planet eer since humans began to contemplate their unierse in
a philosophical manner. All the shared truth has gotten us where \here we kill children to
punish leaders \here leaders lock people up in death camps \here religious leaders abuse
children So I would ask you, what is the alue o the inormation that has collectiely brought
humanity here

\ou want the signposts o truth. No one can do that, and your proo. is that no one has.`

(&.&)C \hy`

;.= ?+.65&C Because we are soereign and we must experience ourseles in this way, and
not let others decide what it is we should or shouldn`t beliee, or what is truth or alsehood. I
wish we didn`t lie in a lologram o Deception, but that is our human reality, and whining
about it will not change it one iota. Studying the supposed masters o truth will not change it

I can show you a library o books that expound on esoteric inormation. Some o these
books were written as noniction, and by all appearances they seem to be credible and
insightul, and yet i you listen careully to the words, you see how they are separating you
rom one another. low they deine a lierarchy. low they deine a soul that is always
learning, a human that is always sinning and weak. low they describe a unierse that is
ininitely layered. low the light illuminates those who ollow certain practices. It can be ery
subtle. 1hey can be talking about oneness, but there are judgments present in the words, or
recriminations i you don`t execute the practice properly, or suggestions that you don`t mix
this practice with anything else or it is diminished, or join and promote this path oer that one.

Part o the Soereign Integral process is to practice your discernment o what enables you to
beliee in you, not the unierse or some master or teaching, but ,ov, stripped bare o all o
your add-ons, belies, thought patterns, ears, guilt, stories, judgments, blames, pretenses.
eerything that hangs on you rom the past. I you could drop them all-eerything you hae
been taught and told and programmed to beliee-what would be let to hear Silence. Deep,
clear silence. 1hat is you.

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\hen you ind that, you will then know that eeryone has that, too. Anu does, Lucier does,
Jesus does, your neighbor does, your spouse does. Leryone. So what proo do you need to
ind that \hat proo can I show you or tell you to gie you that I can`t. I can coney a
process that i you ollow it, you might ind this experience inside you, but that`s all. 1he
process is ree, it only requires time. 1he process is not owned by anyone. 1he process is not
part o anything but you. Once you stand at the trailhead o that process, it`s yours to ollow
or reject. Leryone must achiee this realization o oneness and equality in lie on earth. 1hat
is our call to action as a species. And in my opinion, anyone or anything that tells you
otherwise is lost.

One more thing, the story strand may be exactly what actiates someone to the Soereign
Integral process, and I think that was the point that the \ingMakers took with their
inormation. Lerything about their work is signaling the indiidual to the Soereign Integral
process and the realization o 1he Grand Portal.`

(&.&)C I Anu is what we hae been taught is god, then who is Lucier`

;.= ?+.65&C It is precisely or this reason that you hae to be soereign. Because in the
world where Anu is god, it is easy to presume that Lucier is the real bearer o light. But
remember what I`e said oer and oer, eeryone is lost in this lologram o Deception. I all
are lost, how can anyone lead you to truth 1hey can`t. 1he truth is sel-expression o your
ininite sel in the human orm upon earth. 1hat is the closest deinition o truth that I know.
It may not be the same or you or whoeer reads this in the uture, but this is my deinition o

Does Lucier adocate this I`m not aware that he does. I anyone is not supporting my truth
objectie, then why would I let them moe me in any other direction, een an inch

\ou ask who Lucier is. 1here are a thousand ways to answer that question-seeral o them
I already hae. 1o add another deinition, he is not a polarity o Anu or his puppet. At a
undamental leel he lies in equality and oneness the same as we. Is he awakened I don`t
know. I haen`t met him. I haen`t talked with him. I I do, my irst question o him will be,
does he support the reedom o human beings, the kind I hae just deined, and i he says yes`
then I will accept his word until I see eidence to the contrary. I he says no` I will remoe
mysel rom his presence. I he says maybe` I would hae a conersation with him and inite
him to support this moement.

Leryone is waking up. I realize it seems like the actiation is in super slow motion, but in
seenty to eighty years a huge shit can occur in humanity`s realization o what is really
happening in this world. 1here is no way to hide this. It`s already in the unconscious mind
layer and it will continue to spill out until we push the wall down.`

(&.&)C 1his is more a comment or obseration than a question, but the Soereign Integral
process seems existential instead o transcendental. It also seems like a solo journey instead o
an organized group who are supporting one another. Is my perception accurate`

;.= ?+.65&C Partly, yes. I think the soereign aspect is what you`re picking up on. It`s an
internal process or the indiidual to deelop within themseles, but the integral aspect is a
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collectie, and I don`t mean that as an organizational structure. 1his process needs to be
outside o any organization`s or indiidual`s hands. It`s not possible to own this or control it
within an organizational structure. I think people can use the Internet and email to support
one another. Some will want this kind o support, others may preer to be let on their own.

Relatie to it being existential, yes, it is that. 1his isn`t about ascending into the high places o
heaen and hanging out in perected realms o space, while your ellow human beings are lost,
enslaed and corralled into eer-tightening spaces. 1his is about sharing the heart irtues and
the truth o existence in your behaiors, here, on earth. It is about making earth a place where
human beings can express their lie essence without the intererence o Anu`s hardware and
Marduk`s sotware, and to tear down the external programming that creates the parents o ear
and separation and all o their children attributes like narcissism and hatred.`

(&.&)C I I decide to release this inormation, do I hae to practice it`

;.= ?+.65&C No.`

(&.&)C Can I hae some time to think about this`

;.= ?+.65&C low long do you need`

(&.&)C Maybe a week.`

;.= ?+.65&C O course, you can take more i you need it.`

(&.&)C Are you resigned to the idea that you`ll be caught`

;.= ?+.65&C I`m a realist. I don`t think the ACIO
will do anything rash. 1hey`ll simply do
their best to quarantine me.`

(&.&)C \hat does that mean`

;.= ?+.65&C I`ll end up in a holding cell, o the grid.`

(&.&)C \hat about Anu`

;.= ?+.65&C Anu is simply a name o the royal leader o the Anunnaki race. lis name is
symbolic o more than one being, which is the capstone o the elite. \ou could also look at
Anu as the programmed existence o the human race, he exists in eeryone to some degree.
Anu`s presentation o himsel is that he`s omniscient and omnipresent, and this is true in a
certain way, so I hae to deal with that reality. Leryone who wakes up and practices this
process will meet this resistance in some orm or other.`

(&.&)C But i people hear that they will hae to deal with Anu, won`t they run rom this
\ho`s going to try and ight that. that machine`

ACIO is an acronym Ior Advanced Contact Intelligence Organization.
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;.= ?+.65&C lrom the \ingMakers perspectie, thousands, and then hundreds o
thousands, and then millions. 1he wall can collapse in an instant when a critical mass is

(&.&)C But won`t this be accompanied with hysteria and panic At one time I thought 1he
Grand Portal was a technological discoery o the soul, and it would be on the Internet or all
to see and experience in the comort o their homes. But this isn`t like that, is it`

;.= ?+.65&C No. 1his is more like a collapse o reality on a mass scale, where ininite beings
suddenly ind themseles awake inside a human uniorm and wonder what just happened.`

(&.&)C \hat i it doesn`t happen \hat i they win and transhumanism 3.0 is the new human
being locked into a world o separatism \hat then`

;.= ?+.65&C I don`t know how to answer that question, other than to say that the
inormation proided by the \ingMakers is a new inception point, which necessarily means a
new path. Maybe it will take more time, but it will happen. It has to. \e`re ininite beings, and
this act cannot be bottled up indeinitely.`

(&.&)C I understand, but the whole concept o ininite beings-that`s been around a long
time. Soul has been around a long time as a concept. low is this any dierent`

;.= ?+.65&C \es, it`s been around a long time, but it`s been bottled up into three paths: one,
reincarnation and karma, two, be good and obedient and join the ranks o heaen, and three,
ascend to a higher plane o existence and eentually become a teacher within the lierarchy.
1he ourth path, though not about soul, is that we are simply human lesh and blood and we
hae no soul.

A person`s soul is construed rom one o these paths, assuming you beliee you are a soul.
Lach o these paths, as I hae already said, is within the lologram o Deception. 1hey do not
lead outside-past the wall, and they certainly do not make the wall less stable.

1o be sel-realized as an ininite being within a human body on earth, decoupled rom the
controlling luman 2.0 interace, is the ith way. \e`e been liing in a game show that has
our doors where an announcer keeps repeating the instruction: choose one o the our
doors,` while completely ignoring that there is a ith door.

1his new inception point inserts the ith door option. 1hat`s how it`s dierent.`

(&.&)C I wish I could go on with question ater question, but I think this is probably a good
place to stop.`

;.= ?+.65&C I agree, Sarah.`

(&.&)C Okay, good, then we`ll bring this to a close, but beore we do, I`ll gie you the last

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;.= ?+.65&C \ell, irst, thanks or your open-mindedness these past two weeks. \our
questions were good guides, and or all your modesty, you grasped this inormation with great
naturalness, which gae me permission to open up. \ou`e sered well those who will read
this, so on their behal, thank you.

I eel that I`e gien eerything I was asked to proide. I realize I umbled around at the start
o this interiew. I wasn`t sure how to bring this out. I also know that some will want more
inormation, but the critical material is here, in this interiew. I`m sure there are more details
and nuances I could hae proided, but then, no matter how much detail I`d disclose, it would
neer be enough or some people. 1his is all about action in behaior, not reading or soaking
up inormation rom another person. 1he glimpse I`e proided is a good start, and that`s all
that`s really needed or an inception point.

I realize this may seem like a antastical journey o ictional characters and unlikely eents,
not to be taken too seriously, but in my iew, this disclosure o the \ingMakers is their most

(&.&)C 1hank you, Dr. Neruda.`

Lnd o Session

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\hat is within us was present before the unierse was
created. Our inner, pre-quantum core existed preious to
spacetime, beore any extra-dimensional race enslaed us.
\e are not weak or deenseless. \e are not mere human
beings with eighty year liespans. \L ARL ininite, and we
are all that is needed to transorm reality so that each o us
seres truth, because we .ee truth. Larth is not a playground
or a schoolroom any more than we are gullible children.
1here is no new age or end time, there is only the ininite
platorm upon which we all belong, where we rise up as
Soereign Integrals upon earth.

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Quantum Pause is a primary tool o the Soereign Integral process. 1he wonderul thing about
breath is that it is always with you rom the ery irst to the ery last experience o this world.
It is portable, eeryone has it and it is what anchors you into the now.

Below is a step-by-step process that is recommended to use when you practice quantum pause,
howeer, it is also suggested that you remain open to adapting this process to your own style,
preerence and capabilities.

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1he irst step is called Declaratie Purpose. 1his simply means that beore you begin, declare
your intent. 1here are two general states when one perorms quantum pause:

1. I am doing this or the whole o humanity
2. I am doing this or a speciic subset o humanity ,mysel, riends, amily,

1he irst state is obious, but the second aries by a considerable degree. lor example, you
could apply quantum pause or a situation that requires orgieness or compassion within your
immediate amily, or perhaps yoursel. \hateer the purpose is, it is recommended to declare
it beore you take your irst breath. 1his is your inception point or the entire session that

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lrom a breath perspectie, there are our equal parts to quantum pause. In-breath ,nose,
pause out-breath ,mouth, pause. 1his 4-part process is called a measure. Lach measure is
diided into two segments:

1. In-breath pause segment, which is the I AM
2. Out-breath pause segment, which is the \L ARL

Ater you hae declared your purpose, then perorm 2-4 measures o breath, without
isualizing or thinking or eeling. 1his step is simply to quiet your internal state, center your
awareness and bring you ully into the now.

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Ater you hae your baseline established, imagine that during the in-breath segment that a
ertical line or column extends rom the center o earth through your pineal gland in your
brain and upwards to ininity. 1he beginning o the in-breath starts in the core o earth, and as
you inhale, the ertical line extends through you and into ininity aboe. \hen you reach the
pause ater your in-breath, imagine that the ield o I AM consciousness during the pause is
coalescing or uniting within the ertical column.

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During the out-breath segment, isualize a horizontal bar or line that originates in your heart
area and extends outwards rom your arms` deltoid muscles, encircling earth. \hen you reach
the pause ater your out-breath, imagine that the ield o \L ARL coalesces within the
horizontal bar. 1he \L ARL isualization connects you to humanity and lie on earth.

It is not critical that you isualize in high resolution ,i.e., color and ine detail,. 1hese are
conceptual attentions without any judgment as to your perormance or how much detail you
can imbue to each segment. \ou are directing your attention on high concepts, and this is

1hese concepts o I AM and \L ARL, when compared to your programming on teleision,
internet, and daily lie enironments, support your serice to truth. 1here is no judgment to
how you perorm this. It is simply that the conceptual attention, in itsel, loosens the bonds
rom the programming o the lologram o Deception.

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During the in-breath segment o each measure, you can bring in one or more o the heart
irtues. lor example, as you breathe in, you imagine orgieness, as a lens, orming around
your entire body. \ou can look out through this lens that encompasses you through your
entire being. \ou are saturated in orgieness. In the pause, you simply allow it to intensiy and
encompass you like a transparent energy ield.

\hen you transition to the out-breath segment, you release this orgieness or whateer heart
irtue you are ocused on. 1he release, as it pertains to the declaratie purpose, is either to
humanity at large, or a subset, which could include just you, your amily members, work
colleagues, riends, neighbors, pets, animals, plants, etc.

It is important to direct the heart irtues upon yoursel as you moe through this process. \ou
require sel-orgieness, sel-compassion, sel-understanding and sel-appreciation. Sometimes
it is best to do this at the end o the day, and ocus on others and humanity during the day, but
this is an indiidual process and you decide what works or you.

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\hen you eel you are done, you can send appreciation to the Creator in that conceptual
ramework o ininity that you held earlier. 1hen, take the entire session and imagine it is
compressed into something the size o a pea or small stone, and it is wisely placed within your
pineal gland to be absorbed and transmitted.

1hen dissole the entire session by opening your eyes and declaring It is done.` \ou do not
hold any bias or outcome aoritism. \ou are neutral, as you step out o the session.

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Covaev.ea 1er.iov. of Qvavtvv Pav.e-once you hae practiced this or a period o two or three
weeks, consider how it can be condensed and applied in real-time circumstances that allow you
to transer the experience o a ie-stage session into a 30-second session, then a 10-second
session and inally into a 3-second session. 1he idea is to condense the experience ,not the
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breathing aspect, o quantum pause into a smaller time segment that can be used in real-time
experiences so you can be on a phone call, in a meeting, driing your car, talking with your
spouse, and call up the experience without the ormality and time requirement o the 5-step

reatb Covtrot-there is no judgment that the longer your breath parts are perormed in each o
the segments, the better the result. 1here is no correlation. loweer, as you get into the later
steps o the quantum pause process, your attention is less centered on your breath. \ou allow
it to become sel-directed, so your attention can moe to a more imaginatie and eeling
oriented state.

Pvro.e-the purpose o quantum pause is not to leae the body or hae a spiritual`
experience or conjure any positie` experience upon completion. It is purposely not o that
realm. It is not designed to create an experience or your mind or proide isualizations o
another world. I you see, sense or eel anything that is unrelated to your purpose, gently, but
irmly, remoe it.

Po.tvre-unlike meditation, quantum pause is not related to speciic postures. \ou can practice
it lying down when you wake up or go to bed. \ou can be standing up or sitting down. 1here
is no posture requirement. Quantum pause is not meditation or the human instrument. t i. a
bebariorat eerci.e to rereat tbe orereigv vtegrat .tate of

,vcbrovie-i you practice quantum pause, and you begin your session at the top o the hour,
it will synchronize your experience with others and expand the energy. It doesn`t matter which
o the 24 hours you start with, but i you can, begin at the top o the hour.

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GW461 1)+ G61)4.

James Mahu is the anonymous creator o the \ingMakers and related websites, a handul o
noels, a large collection o philosophical discourses, a dozen papers on spiritual practices,
poetry, short stories, isual artwork, and nearly a hundred music compositions. lis works hae
been translated into nearly twenty languages.

In 1998, his irst published creation was \, which established James-its
creator-as a multidimensional storyteller who was ocused on sharing deep, original
perspecties to the conersations o spirituality, cosmology, extra-dimensional existence, myth
and the importance o the heart in one`s personal mission.

James has made no eort to create a isible role or himsel in the ield, no organization has
eer been started and no relationship with any other organization exists.

James` works are to help people actiate, and make accessible, their unique iew into truth. le
draws on deep symbolism, archetypes and mythological characters to help people sense the
deeper realities that underlie their personal worlds.

1he primary goal o his work is to be a midwie` or the birth o 1he Grand Portal as
described in 1be iftb vterrier of Dr. ]avi..ov ^ervaa.

1o tire iv .errice of trvtb, ,ov vv.t fir.t iaevtif, tbe ta,er. of aecetiov tbat
evcova.. ,ov. 1bi. i. tbe eqviratevt of aerogravvivg. t i. cevtrat to tbe
orereigv vtegrat roce... 1bev ,ov cav tire tbe rora. ava iaea. tbat ari.e frov
tbi. ivtervat fieta of trvtb tbat i. iv.iae ,ov ava vorbere et.e. t i. covtetet,
vvaffitiatea ritb av,tbivg tbat i. a featvre of tbe ierarcb,. 1bi. i. becav.e
rbat i. trvtb i. .ivgvtar ;.orereigv) ava ;ivtegrat) at tbe .ave tive.
^o orgaviatiov cav covtaiv tbat. Ovt, ,ov cav.

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