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Using Of E6013 Instead Of E7018 For Welding Joint In Steam Dryer System Fantower
05/20/2007 10:58 PM
Hi There, Can anyone explain; with regards to the consequences of the following: my Pressure Steam Fan Dryer Tower
for pulp and paper Vendor proposing use of A-106 material (or equivalent) piping material and joinning by SMAW E7018
consumable But in-fact they have used E-6013 and ER50-4 consumable during fabrication. Will this affect the fit-for
purpose, design life span, mechanical property or etc?
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Re: Using Of E6013 Instead Of E7018 For Welding Joint In Steam Dryer System Fantower
05/21/2007 6:56 AM
In general, as a rule, E-6013 electrode is used to give 60,000 psi min. weld tensile strength whereas E-7018 is used for
giving 70,000 psi of weld strength. In your case if the base material is A-106 Gr.A then E-6013 is appropriate. But if it is
A-106 Gr.B E-7018 is generally used and is better. However E-6013 can also be used if thickness of pipe is less.
Also E-7018 is a low Hydrogen electrode to prevent hydrogen embrittlement and is necessary where the base material is
un-tested or of suspect composition which may cause cracks in weld due to high carbon or tensile strength.
However if your pipe base material has test certificates and the wall thickness of pipe is less than 1/2 inch. E-6013
should not cause any problem.
If the Piping Material is A-106 Gr.A it is adequate to use E-6013 Electrode. But if it is A-106 Gr.B which has a higher
tensile strength then it is advisable to use E-7018 Electrode.
E-7018 is a Low Hydrogen type electrode and protects against welding cracks due to hydrogen embrittlement and is
advisbale to use in the following cases.
1. When the pipe base material has higher tensile strenth or carbon content such as A-106 Gr.B or equivalent.
2. When Pipe material is un-tested or of non uniform composition and one is not sure of the carbon content or tensile
strenth.
3. When the pipe / plate wall thichness exceeds 3/4 in. eventhough the tensile strength is not high. It can stand higher
residual stresses in the weld.
Since in your case welding is already complete, you can only conduct some Non destructive tests on the weld such as
Liquid Penetrant Examination to see if any cracks have appeared.
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Re: Using Of E6013 Instead Of E7018 For Welding Joint In Steam Dryer System
Fantower
05/22/2007 1:13 AM
You have not indicated grading of the pipe and the wall thickness. The thumb rule is to use E 6013 electrode for
general application including low pressure and upto wall thick of 20 mm max. Good for mediam corbon content ( like A
106 Gr, B pipe ) materials. Still E 6013 has to be used for certain reasons, then pre heating to be carried out upto 150
- 200
0
C. depending upon wall thickness.
For higer Carbon content say ( like A 106 Gr, C pipe ) beyond 0.35 and even with 12.70 mm wall thickness (or) for
higher wall thicness beyond 20 mm thick, it is necessary to go for E 7018 electrode to avoid hydrogen embrittlement
cracks and also for higher pressure of fluids passing th' etc.
If any un-certified pipe is used ( incl. mill rejections and uncontrolled carbon content) best bet is to use E 7018
eletrode and preheating upto 150 /200
0
C and maitaining a interpass temp of 100
0
C min. is always safe.
In your case since the job is over have a UT check as DP/LP or MP examination will show only surface cracks and any
under bead (or) sub-surafacae (deep) cracks will not show up.
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05/22/2007 3:38 AM
For ASTM A106-B, for SMAW welding you have to use E-7018 , or E-7010 or E-7010G, or a combination (root pass
recommended to be TIG weld) in accordance with WPS & PQR. For E-7018 (low hydrogen electrode) the electrodes
must be stored at elevated temp. in accordance with manufacturer's recommendation located at electrode box, and the
welding progress must be uphill, using the proper preheat, intermediate & PWHT if needed (depend on type of material
and pipe wall thickness) in according to the design code.
E-6013 is an electrode for structural steels, and not recommended for piping or pressure vessels.
In 1979 when i worked for the 1st time as a workshop engineer for fabrication of pressure vessel (ASTM 516 Grade 70)
and piping networks (ASTM A106-B), i noticed that after completion of longitudinal weld bead of such course of a new
refinery distillation tower, such cracks occurred to the full length of the welded bead. The problem repeated a lot.
From that moment i started to study the problem, i discovered that the welders used the incorrect electrode E-6013
without any preheat or interpass or PWHT. I succeeded to realize that the optimum SMAW electrodes must be E-7018.
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Re: Using Of E6013 Instead Of E7018 For Welding Joint In Steam Dryer System Fantower
05/22/2007 8:21 AM
Hello,
I would assume that a E-6010 or 7010 would be used for the root pass if TIG welding apparatus is not available. In the
"old days" before we used TIG we always welded at least the first 2 passes with E-6010 and got X-ray quality welds.
The general rule we use around here is to cap all SA-106 welds over 4" diameter with E-7018 and anything smaller TIG
weld it all the way out with ER-70S2 TIG wire. Having said this you should do what your WPS/PQR tells you to do. Also
use a welder that has been qualified to your procedure. In all of my 29 years of welding pipe I have never used a E-
6013 electrode on pipe. It does not have the fill freeze characteristics that the E-XX10 rods have to provide the proper
root penetration.
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Re: Using Of E6013 Instead Of E7018 For Welding Joint In Steam Dryer System
Fantower
06/18/2007 9:47 PM
Thanks to ALL for your valued comments. The vendor admited their mistake and not able to reply any countermeasure
on some of our spot radiography taken and have cut out all piping system done. From the cut out, it has shown lots of
HiLo, misallignment and lack of penentration on welds.
Thanks to ALL once again and keep it up for maintaining these healthy discussion forum.
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