doodler To: Boerboel <> Cc: Van Icelandic <drvanice@gmail.

com> Hi VI Who is the bastard you refer to? d

Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:37 AM

Van Icelandic To: doodler <> Bcc: Doberman <>

Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:04 AM

Not sure the point of your question, but perhaps you can respond by telling me why you posted fake pictures, and when are you going to take responsibility and tell the truth? VI

doodler Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:27 AM To: Van Icelandic <> Cc: Doberman <>, Boerboel <> VI the pics I posted came directly from africancrisis.....go have a look..... To accuse ME of posting fake pics is sick, bro. I won't react angrily, yet, because I don't know where you get the info from, but don't piss me off by making false accusations. I suggest you withdraw that accusation please and apologise. Who is the bastard you referred to? UG??? If so, ...... And btw, are you on a fishing expedition with a view to outing me too?

Van Icelandic To: doodler <> Doodler

Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:53 AM

Is there a subtle threat? Go for it big boy. I thrive on confrontation. Bear in mind you work in the legal profession. Things will get nasty for you when others discover you deliberately printed false pics. Grow some balls and take accountability, you fuck. You printed them, you verified them, you backed them up. Tell your readers that. You won't get angry yet. I am pissing myself laughing. If I lived closer, we could arrange to meet and sort this out face-to-face, the way I prefer to do things. Outing hey. Something you guys love to do. No, I am not about to do that. Just shocked that you are referred to as UG's brother. Are you? Go ahead, do your damndest, perhaps a little virus maybe. But be warned, I will retaliate in a most unpleasant way. My advice to you, is print a retraction on your website before this all blows wide open. And then distance yourselves from us.

doodler Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:41 AM To: Van Icelandic <>, Doberman <>, Boerboel <> Dobes has VI gone totally insane? The photos I published came from aficancrisis. My post was subsequently edited and MORE photos added....I did not add those.... Btw, what is wrong with them? If anything? My understanding is the others which were added came from a police photographer. See the edited version of my post. I won't comment on VI's tirade - at all. Just wondering what the hell is wrong with him? What "veiled threat" is he referring to? I certainly did not threaten him. His comment about living closer - wow!!? WTF is going on with him? Is he pissed? Viruses? Distancing yourselves? Whats up with him Dobes??? Odd he does not copy you in on the mails to me? Who is the bastard he is referring to?

Van Icelandic To: doodler <> Cc: Doberman <> Doodler

Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Dobes has a copy of everything, as do others. Don't scurry away, like a dog with his tail between his legs. " ...but don't piss me off by making false accusations. I suggest you withdraw that accusation please and apologise." That is your subtle threat; let me spell it out. Therein lies an "or else" threat. As for who the bastard is, it could be you or UG. If the hat fits "mate". Let me leave Dobes out of this. I acted in good faith and wrote your article. You assured me the pictures were legit. Your brother attacked me for plagiarising what turned out to be fake pictures, called us cunts and you didn't have the spine to defend me. You suggested I had erred. Get a life, wanker. Your gong show is over. And then you come at me about false accusations, and reckon I must apologise. No, I haven't gone insane. I am very rational and very well prepared. VI

doodler Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:00 AM To: Van Icelandic <> Cc: Doberman <>, Boerboel <> Please confirm where I said the photos were genuine? Please let me know why they are not? Anyway VI, I think you are severely delusional right now and I will desist from responding in kind. In fact I'm wondering if this is the genuine VI...? Have difficulty in believing the language and threats. Good luck bud. PS Btw, please have a look at africancrisis photos....the ones I posted. Then get back to me and apologise. That is, of course, if you have the basic decency... Please do not leave Dobes out of this. I reckon he knows my track record. Thanks and cheers.

doodler Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:08 AM To: Van Icelandic <>, Doberman <>, Boerboel <> Dobes Actually, the more I look at (is it really) VI's posts, the more I wonder if it really is him? Please let me know the cause of these crazy, aggressive emails? Just what is going on? The threats of outing me are amazing!! I'm totally gobsmacked...! I reckon he has totally lost it. VI - I'm not going to respond to you any more - if it REALLY is you, which I still doubt. Ta.

doodler Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:27 AM To: Doberman <>, Van Icelandic <>, Boerboel <> Dobes is this a setup of some sort? I cannot believe VI is sending these posts out...! WTF is he up to? d

Van Icelandic Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:31 AM To: doodler <> Bcc: Doberman <>, Lara Johnstone <> Doodler Dobes is up to date on everything. Don't shift blame onto Africancrisis. You misrepresented the situation, you edited the comments on the site, you know you confirmed the pictures as being legitimate. Do I need to repeat, verbatim, what you said and that you have others which are worse? Your track record. and what would that be? Allowing UG to attack us? Removing the link to ILSA and then misrepresenting who was responsible for that? Showing strength of character by defending me when UG was clearly misinformed? For a lawyer, you know there are consequences for every action. So it is good to see you have toned your threatening rhetoric down. Perhaps you have come to your senses. As regards the pics, ha ha, we both know they are fake. Your prosecutor or detective buddy should have told you right? I am not about to disclose how I know this, or where the originals are posted on the internet. I await my apology and I look forward to you telling your readers the unspun truth. Go on, dazzle me, show me you have the "decency" and strength of character to do the right thing. VI

Van Icelandic To: doodler <> Doodler

Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:46 AM

No, it is no setup. A setup for what? None of this would have happened if UG had kept himself in check, or at least apologised, for starters. Especially given that the whole fiasco was based on your fraud; falsified pictures. What is disturbing is that you expect people to ignore this fact. Get real man, what world do you live in? As for the threats, I see you are distancing yourself from your earlier behaviour. I think you need to familiarise yourself with Sun Tzu's pearls of wisdom. But you are correct; this conversation is over. VI

doodler Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:56 AM To: Van Icelandic <>, Doberman <>, Boerboel VI I think this is a clever setup, so I'm not responding till I hear from Dobes. To the extent that it is really you, you really have it all wrong. Have a good evening.

Van Icelandic To: doodler <> Cc: Doberman <> Nice ploy to avoid the engaging in telling the truth.

Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:59 AM

doodler Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:01 PM To: Van Icelandic <>, Doberman <>, Boerboel <> No boet go check I never committed fraud. Despite your best efforts to exculpate yourself, I never did. You do owe me an apology.....I still think you are pissed or stoned.... Btw, I would really appreciate it if you would please tell me why the photos are fraudulent.

doodler Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:06 PM To: Van Icelandic <>, Doberman <>, Boerboel <> Naah, Dobes knows me... Does he really know you? Dunno if he is going to approve of your language and conduct. I was there long ago. Suggest you go sleep it off, or get some happy pills. Brixton M&R PTSD getting to you?

Van Icelandic Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:15 PM To: doodler <> Bcc: Lara Johnstone <>, Doberman <> Go back to your law books and look up the definition. Better yet, I will help you: "deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage" Pissed or stoned hey, I think not, but at least not stupid. You deliberately misled your readers. You presented the pictures as proof positive. And, I might add, to use your brother's expression. You cunts never credited Africancrisis for the pics, yet you sought one. Another deliberate deception. I tell you what Doodler, why don't we make everything public. Let's blow this thing wide open. Let's see what the public thinks. Who owes whom an apology. You keen? VI

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Doodler? ja ou seun? Where do you want to go with this? jy nail die verkeerde ou - glo my I am giving you benefit of the doubt. I believe you, but somebody in your ranks deliberately misled people. jy kan glo wat jy wil, ek het nog nooit iemand bebullshit nie daai fotos kom van africancrisis af Maybe not you, but then why did UG go on the offensive with us when it wasn't even your work? No credit was given to Africancrisis either. ek kan ook nie verstaan hoekom jy MY wil nail nie. its a big nono!! I am not out to nail you Doodler. I am angry at the last weeks events. And how we were vilified by UG, who didn't have the courage to apologise. He would have known the pics weren't legit, or at least not his own. listen bud, I ampositive I'm being bugged by rhe security police, so pse be cautious Okay. Let's leave it then. U do not understand his mental state. he's been gunned for for the last couple of months. I will let it go, but I am going to publish a retraction on the pics. those photos allegedly came from a cop do what u want - but tell me WHY they are frsaudulent? Boston strangler in the USA check out africancrisis i sent u the link nn top of that his WIFE has been getting threatening phone calls where do they get her cell from? I received an anonymous link to the pics. oh fuck.... Now you will understand my anger. I was betrayed and unfairly attacked. dont believe it - u mean we've been set up? You've been had and we all look like jokers. not all the photos check out the africancrisis link thats where i got them from! I will check. not all !!! But one false pic is all that was needed. Spoke to UG re those phots which were added to my post - he told me someone who claimed was a cop photographer sent them to him FUCK!!! u know ALL the stuff we publish has always been the truth Yes, that is why I am angry. What the fuck got into you guys? dcannot or dont know how to copy the link pse email to me] Ok Please, genuine believe me when i say he's been had..what more can I say? Fuck man, we all look like a bunch of retards that will stoop this low. I will call him shortly and tell him. Is that the only false pic which one btw? The impaled broomstick pic. We have no problem publsihing aretraction rest assured The ANC will now use this to discredit our other work. okay thanks for that. But genuine, the africancrisis pics, now i dont even know

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what to believe' Unless we publish a retraction That is why I am bullying you to tell the truth. Bud, I for one have no problem with that - pity you did not tell me up front! You are digging a bigger hole for all of us. There is a lot of emotion involved, largely due to UG's attacks. Not on purpose. The shit I had this week was unbelievable! The security police fucked us over Is Stuit you mother? That is a new allegation on the internet. VI, I know. I tried to make peace, but there are far deeper iswsues with him nope, she is not look, Shit, there are some long knives out for you and UG. i'm really sorry about this. But really to accuse me of placing those photos was below the belt. I only did a fewfrom AC Ag, so what? We're fucked anyway. His wife got threatening calls on her cell, and I dunno what to do. Call thecop in chargeof theinvestifgation? My machine is slowing up, must be Anonymizer. I have little doubt I'm next. The others are all out of SA We're probably being monitored. Iam sure I am But look, I'm really sorry about this. Use Anonymizer. I'll vcall him now and tell him about it andwe'll do aretraction Okay, bye its too late, usually I do on my pc Thanks for this and sorry!!!!!!\\

doodler Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:40 PM To: Van Icelandic <>, Doberman <>, Boerboel G'night and thansk for the chat

Van Icelandic To: doodler <> Sure. Take care.

Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:50 PM

doodler Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:53 PM To: Van Icelandic <>, Doberman <>, Boerboel <> Right it appears VI was correct regarding one of the photos. We're publishing an article correcting it. But guys, our IDs are confidential for obvious reasons. UG's wife got threatening calls - and other than 2 other people only family have that particular number. And, of course the cops. I understand the anger, but must ask you not to speculate on other identities. We all have wives and children. As you know only 2 of us remain in the country. We are really at risk. Thanks

doodler Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:02 PM To: Van Icelandic <>, Doberman <>, Boerboel <> I need to emphasise that we at NO STAGE deliberately misled our readers. I had no reason to doubt the info UG was given, and neither did he. Obviously we feel like massive fools and this could be a serious blow to our credibility, but then again given the blog's track record over the years, it is not a train smash. I think that by UG publsihing the necessary article, we can resolve this. I just wish this was brought to my attention earlier instead of us engaging in a bitch fight - so very unnecessary!! A good lesson for us.....unfortunately. d.

Van Icelandic To: doodler

Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Doods, none of the Africancrisis pics are the same as your original 13. Get UG to come clean, where did he get them? VI

doodler To: Van Icelandic <> Correction. The first photos of the dead women, the head shots were mine. I placed those and take responsibility for them.

Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:13 PM

The others were sent to him - I phoned hi after we spoke and he conforned they were sent to him CheckAC

Van Icelandic To: doodler <> Bcc: Doberman <>

Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Ok, then UG needs to take accountability and I retract my accusation of not giving AC credit. VI

doodler To: Van Icelandic <>

Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:16 PM

I just looke again at - scrol down and you will recognise the shots i placed. The other swere too gruesome formy tastre

Van Icelandic To: doodler

Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Yes, I recognise the wounded woman. But we know that one.

doodler To: Van Icelandic <>

Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Ag, you know what? I'm tired of this whole business. The last week of having to deal with the cops, the incredible impact it has had on UG and his family, and the concern as to when, not if, they are going to knock on my door has worn me down. What is the point? The story is they are going to screw us for hate speech. LAtest is the human rights commission is coming after us. Just who are we helping? And then I get threats? Fuck this for a joke. I've have now officially had it. No more.

doodler To: Van Icelandic <>

Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM

She's not wounded. She is very dead. I'm going to crash now. Sat up with UG till 2am - and feeling totally wrecked. Emotionally and physically drained. Cheers

Boerboel Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:37 PM To: doodler <>, Van Icelandic <>, Doberman <> Doodler Why are you even dignifying this troll's hysterical little outburst? Methinks our Canadian quack is hitting the Demerol harder than usual. Highly uncharacteristic for him to write such vitriol. Unless he's emboldened by all the raging controversy and is slipping into lynch mob mode. Rather engage him when its worn off... UG

doodler Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:41 PM To: Van Icelandic <>, Doberman, Boerboel <> Dobes has VI gone totally insane? The photos I published came from aficancrisis. My post was subsequently edited and MORE photos added....I did not add those....

Van Icelandic Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:40 PM To: Boerboel <> Bcc: Doberman <>, Lara Johnstone UG Your need to see a psychiatrist mate. The problem lies with you. Take a look in the mirror, that is the enemy. VI

Boerboel To: Van Icelandic <> Ja VI Thats probably good advice I should take.

Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:33 PM

WTF went on with you tonight? Such vile language and insane lashing out? Blogging finally getting to you? Trust me on this, being a vetaran of it - it eventually infects your entire being. Perhaps you should get out before you end up like me. Here's something to mull over: "The need to express one's self in writing springs from a maladjustment of life, or from an inner conflict which the adolescent (or the grown man) cannot resolve in action." -- Andre Maurois - "The Art of Writing" (1960) Cheers mate

Boerboel To: Van Icelandic Hi there

Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:42 AM

From the perspective of your professional & personal well being, if ANYONE knows your real ID at this point, then get out immediately. It seems over time allies become enemies, often over the most innocuous disagreements. They WILL sell you out, at the drop of a hat, and at great personal cost to you. From a psychological point of view, one seemingly slips into a blogging mindset in which one becomes a clearing house for the horrors & injustices happening in SA. This fuels an anger and cynicism which turns you into a very nasty, aggressive person. It is quite literally a case of " For in much wisdom is much grief; and he that increaseth knowledge, increaseth sorrow." (ECCLESIASTES 1:18) At any rate, I do apologise for my harsh words to you & Doberman in the past few weeks & months. Best of luck Bert

Van Icelandic To: Boerboel <> Thanks. Remain level headed like this and perhaps we can redeem ourselves. Otherwise, good advice. Perhaps I should call it a day. VI

Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:44 AM