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D ! " T ep#rt #$ the
3GPP TSG-N WG1 MM%CC%SM &'() % Meeting #7
13-17 September 1999
Makuhari, Japan
Chairman: Hannu Hietalahti (Nokia)
Secretary: Ban Al-Bakri (3GPP support team)
Host: Fuitsu
!ist o" participants: see anne# A
!ist o" a$ree% C&s: see anne# B
!ist o" a$ree% 'ut$oin$ !iaison Statements see anne# C
(echnical %ocuments -list see CN)*+-(%oclist,%oc -on the .e/-pa$e
sho.n /elo.
&eport o" the Chairman see 0akuhari1121,rt" on the .e/-pa$e
sho.n /elo.
3ocuments coul% /e "oun% on : "tp:44"tp,3$pp,or$4(SG5CN46G)5mm-cc-
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Meeting Highlights:
7t .as a$ree% %urin$ the meetin$ to limit the GP&S C&s in the "uture meetin$s to allo.
sta/ilisation o" the &1+ an% &18, A %ocument to %e"ine the rules "or the allo.e% C&s is in
(%oc N)-11A9:,
Please input the %ocuments .hich .ere postpone% %ue to lack o" time .ith the same (%oc
num/er to the ne#t meetin$ i" they are still nee%e% then, (his .ill allo. allocatin$ them
su""icient priority to a;oi% postponin$ the same %ocuments a$ain,
: re;ise% %ocuments coul% not /e re;ie.e% /e"ore closin$ the meetin$ an% these are
su/ect to email appro;al, .here the results are inclu%e% in this report (D#*ument+ $#r
emai, appr#-a,. N)-11B3: an% N)-11B3< N)-111=9> N)-111=3> N)-111==),
/mai, appr#-a, pr#*e0ure. Any o/ection a$ainst the propose% C&s must /e emaile% to
the chairman (hannu,hietalahti?nokia,com) /y 9=,Septem/er )111 )9:22 French time, 7" no
o/ections are ma%e then the %ocuments are automatically consi%ere% appro;e%,
The #ut*#me #$ /mai, appr#-a, pr#*e0ure 123931999. (%ocs N)-111=9> 1=3> 1==> N)-
11B3: an% B3< are all reecte%, (he @uestion o" the 0CC 329 must /e sol;e% an% C&s
shoul% /e prepare% "or the (SGN Plenary *:,
&18 chan$e on non-GP&S issue in N)-11B3: an% N)-11B3< %ue to Cana%ian 3-%i$it
0NC,
Classmark issues .ere %iscusse% an% !S N)-B3= .as intro%uce% an% sent out,
1 4pening #$ the Meeting
(he Chairman> Hannu Hietalahti opene% the se;enth meetin$ o" the 3GPP (SG-N 6G)
on 004CC4S0 issues, He .elcome% the participants,
1 !gen0a appr#-a, an0 0#*ument a,,#*ati#n
T0#* N1-99915 A$en%a "or (SGN 6G) meetin$ * +
(he chairman .ent throu$h the a$en%a an% in"orme% the %ele$ates that N)-111)2 is the
propose% a$en%a> an% N)-111)) is the su/stitute a"ter the openin$, N)-111)) .as not
%istri/ute% /ut N)-111)2 $ra%ually e;ol;e% to N)-111)3,
(he "irst %ay co;ere% GP&S issues, For the secon% %ay o" the meetin$ a oint meetin$
.ith (SGN 6G3 has taken place,
'n 6e%nes%ay till Fri%ayA .e procee%e% .ith other items (!Ss> B3GB> an% &est o"
GP&S .orkin$ items> an% all other items on the a$en%a),
T0#* N1-99913 .ill /e a;aila/le /y the en% o" the meetin$ .hich is at the same time a
short report pro;i%e% /y the chairman,
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2.1 Reports from other meetings
T0#* N1-99911 ep#rt #$ the 3GPP J#int Meeting bet6een !N1, !N3, S!1, N1
an0 S!3 #n GSM-'T!N han0#-er an0 SNS re,#*ati#n an0 74
SA9> &9> an% N) presente% their approaches an% ho. they .ant to pro$ress in their .ork
.ith GS0 an% C0(S "or &9222, (hey also intro%uce% the main su/ects they co;er an%
their pro$ress sho.in$ their concerns a/out them,
N) ha% prepare% an input %ocument to the oint meetin$ containin$ some o" the main
@uestions "rom N) area, All @uestions coul% not /e ans.ere% %urin$ the meetin$ an% it
.as a$ree% that &9 an% &3 .oul% liase their responses to N) "rom their respecti;e
meetin$s, Ho.e;er> no such !Ss ha;e /een recei;e% so "ar,
3 (nput 8iai+#n Statement+
T0#* N1-99917 e+p#n+e ,iai+#n #n C,ari$i*ati#n #$ !9 Sub ",#6+ *#n*ept an0
a++#*iate0 0e$initi#n+
!S "rom 3GPP &AN 6G3 to 3GPP SA 6G9 an% CN 6G) .ere copie% too, &AN 6G3
.oul% like to con"irm that in the current speci"ications> a &AB su/"lo. %i""ers "rom the
other su/ "lo.s o" that &AB only /y the ;alue o" its relia/ility attri/ute, 'ther %i""erences
are FFS, &a/ %e"inition has /een enhance% /y /ein$ realise% /y C(&AN /y one or more
su/"lo.s, From an 7u perspecti;e> multime%ia is one to se;eral in"ormation streams
carrie% o;er one to se;eral &ABs> respecti;ely, (hus multime%ia is not seen at 7u le;el
an% %oes not map onto &AB su/ "lo. concept,
3iscussion: (he chairman in;ite% the "loor to rea% the %ocument,
No comments
Conclusion: Note%
T0#* N1-9991: De$initi#n+ $#r u+age #$ Mu,ti-m#0e%+;+tem termina,+
(his !S is recei;e% "rom 3GPP (SG (9 S6G:,
(he aim is to $et a common un%erstan%in$ o" 0ulti-mo%e terminals to "in% an% %e"ine
areas .here a%%itional .ork is nee%e%> to make the usa$e o" multi-mo%e terminals
e""icient, Common un%erstan%in$ /et.een the %i""erent $roups is important .hich makes
it important to use the same terminolo$y an% %e"initions, (he most important %e"initions
in this list are the %i""erentiation /et.een a multi-mode terminal an% a multi-system
terminal, (he "irst terminal is a/le to communicate .ith %i""erent mo%es .ithin C(&AN
an% the other is a/le to communicate .ith totally %i""erent access net.orks> e,$, C0(S
an% GS0,
3iscussion: (he chairman in;ite% the "loor to rea% the %ocument
Some errors are %etecte% an% some @uestions are raise% .hich nee% clari"ications, B#,
campin$ on a cell is not correct> multi system terminals> /an% is not %e"ine%, 7t is also
mentione% .hat is the /ack$roun% "or (9 to %e"ine these terminolo$y, (hey are inten%e%
to %i""erentiate /et.een the kin% o" terminals> /ut some terms are re%un%ant e#, instea% o"
acti;e communication .e coul% say session .here they say a session on$oin$> .hy to
%e"ine a /an% .here it is clear> an% .hy to %e"ine i%entities here- 0ultimo%e (erminal
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an% multisystem terminal is not "a;oure% /y one o" the %ele$ates> another sho.s
sympathy o" terminals usin$ C(&AN .ith type o" terminals operatin$ in C(&AN mo%e
coul% not use other systems,
(9 acti;ities seems con"usin$ (heir %e"initions are %i""erent than the S) %ecisions
Any other proposals-
Conclusion: it is use"ul to ha;e a %e"ine% terminolo$y an% it .oul% /e harm"ul to %e"ine
them %i""erently in %i""erent parts, Also re%e"inin$ e#istin$ terms to another meanin$
"aile% to achie;e the support o" the meetin$,
Note%
T0#*-N1-99!19 8iai+#n Statement #n a00iti#n #$ !PN parameter in Net6#rk-
re<ue+te0 PDP *#nte=t a*ti-ati#n pr#*e0ure% TSG S1
(his !S is recei;e% "rom 3GPP (SG S9
Presente% /y 3oCo0o
7n the current 23,<2 (93,2<2) speci"ication> Success"ul Net.ork-&e@ueste% P3P conte#t
acti;ation proce%ure is %e"ine%, 7n this proce%ure> P3P a%%ress> .hich is allocate%
in%epen%ently /y %i""erent 7P net.orks> is utiliDe% /y 0S to i%enti"y the APN, Ho.e;er>
i" 7P ;= a%%ress is use% as P3P a%%ress> %i""erent 7P net.orks may acci%entally allocate
the same P3P a%%ress to an 0S, 7n such a case> the 0S cannot i%enti"y the appropriate
APN,
7n the current GP&S &1+4&18> the a/o;e pro/lem can /e sol;e% /y operatorE manual
a$reement, Ho.e;er> i" the 7P %ata ser;ice is consi%ere% to /e emer$in$ in the near
"uture> the a/o;e pro/lem shall /e sol;e% .ithout such a manual a$reement,
(he attache% C&> .hich .as a$ree% at the S9 meetin$ hel% in Au$ust> intro%uces the
solution to sol;e the a/o;e pro/lem, (SG S9 re@uests (SG N) F N9 to re;ie. the C&>
an% mo%i"y the relate% sta$e3 speci"ications in or%er to /e in line .ith the attache% sta$e9
%ocument in time "or 3GPP &11,
Also> since the attache% C& perhaps shoul% /e applie% to GP&S &1+4&18 as .ell> (SG
S9 .oul% like to ask N) to %e;elop the C& "or G&PS &1+4&18 in time "or S0G*32,
3iscussion: %iscussion .as $one a/out the 7P a%%ressin$ an% their mappin$ .ithin the
GP&S net.ork, (he C& in (%ocs N)-11199> N)-11193 an% N)-1119= "or 2=,28 an%
9=,228.ill /e ma%e a;aila/le,
Conclusion: (he !iaison statement is ackno.le%$e%, an% %epen%in$ on the output .e .ill
react on .ith the C& mentione% a/o;e, 3oC'0' ;olunteer to .rite an !S re"erre% to in
(%oc N)-11A+= to S9 an% CC to other $roups mentione% in the !S, (he !S .as not
ma%e a;aila/le %urin$ the meetin$,
T0#* N1-99!>: is Note% "or the same contents as a/o;e
T0#*-N1-99!31 6hi*h i+ re-i+e0 t# N1-99!73 ("or makin$ re;ision mark a;aila/le)
8iai+#n Statement - C#-er ,etter $#r T113952, Termina, Capabi,itie+ ep#rt,
interim -er+i#n % TSG T1 SWG>
(his !S is to con;ey to all 3GPP 6GEs an% S6GEs a copy o" the current ;ersion o" the
su/ect %ocument,
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(SG-(9-S6G< has sent out a num/er o" !SEs in the past to all 6GEs solicitin$
in"ormation on (erminal 7mplementation Capa/ilities (Baseline an% Ser;ice) in the areas
o" each o" those 6GEs, (SG-(9-S6G< .oul% like to e#press its appreciation an% its
thanks to those 6GEs .hich respon%e%> "or the in"ormation containe% in the recei;e%
!SEs an% the e""ort un%ertaken to $enerate the in"ormation,
7t is the intention that the report can /e use% in a num/er o" .ays /y 3GPP .orkin$
$roups4mem/ers> "or e#ample:
• (o help ensure that terminals claimin$ to support a $i;en ser;ice ha;e the re@uire%
capa/ilities to correctly inter-operate .ith the net.ork in or%er to pro;i%e sai%
ser;icesA
• (o help (SG ( 6G) i%enti"y re@uirements upon .hich minimum con"ormance tests
can /e /ase%A
• (o help in the %e"inition o" mechanisms /y .hich terminals can communicate their
capa/ilities .ith the Access an% Core Net.orks
Presente% /y 0r, Ganno 4 Fuitsu
3iscussion: (here shoul% not /e a %uplication o" %e"initions in (& 9),12= ;2,2,=>
Conclusion: &esponse in N)-11A+: .as not ma%e a;aila/le %urin$ the meetin$,
N)-11A+3 .as Note%, N)-11B33 is an output !iaison statement on the same su/ect,
Note : N1-99!>7 is the same as N1-99!73 there"ore it is .ith%ra.n,
T0#*-N1-99!>2 8S #n C9S "un*ti#na,it; an0 e+p#n+ibi,it; % TSG T1
(SG-(9 S6G3 (0essa$in$) has %iscusse% the support o" CBS in the C0(S net.orks
an% has come some un%erstan%in$ o" responsi/ility "or Cell Broa%cast 23,=1
(he chairman in;ite% the "loor to rea% the %ocument
3iscussion: (he @uestion o" .hether 23,=1 has e;er /een in responsi/ility o"
S0G36PA,(he ans.er is no> so it is not a N) responsi/ility
S0G9 coul% /e aske% ho. they relate to the %ocument an% it mi$ht also contain CN
issues, 6hich release is consi%ere% is also an open issue,
Conclusion: !S out in"ormin$ them that .e are not the ri$ht partners "or this !S
6ith clari"ication i" there is somethin$ "or us to %o !Sout H N)-11A88
T0#* N1-99!>? 8S ab#ut Signa,,ing % T1
N) is copie%
7" any or all o" the recipient $roups are also in;esti$atin$ synchronisation as part o" their
.ork Ie;aluatin$ an% %e"inin$ ho. /est to han%le %ata synchronisation /et.een en% user
%e;ices an% e#ternal .orl% sourcesI> please let us kno. so that .e can mutually /ene"it
"rom each otherEs .ork an%> in or%er to a;oi% %uplication o" e""ort an% possi/le
inconsistencies> (9 has issue% some proposals,
3iscussion: 6e cannot i%enti"y any part in our .orkin$ area .here .e .ere e""ecte%,
Synchronisation o" the user %ata plane nee%s synchronisation /ut it is not our part
Conclusion: !S out N)-11A81 .ill /e sent /ack %eclarin$ that .e are not @uite sure i" .e
un%erstan% the !S in> an% .e are not %oin$ any .ork or attempt to %o any .ork in this are
T0#* N1-99!>> Pr#p#+e0 8S #n @#S parameter+% TSG T WG1 SWG1 &M/=/)
N) is copie%
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QoS aware MExE applications presents some parameters to the TE through a
standardised QoS API, such as GQoS.
Conclusion: Note%
T0#* N1-99!>9. 8S #n 8#*ati#n !rea *#n*ept % TSG S!1
(SG S9 .oul% like to in"orm N) an% (SG CN a/out the %ecision ma%e on location area
concept, 7t pro;i%e% .orkin$ assumption .hich is a%opte% as %escri/e% in the section
=,3,9,),= o" 93,)9) I&elationship /et.een the %i""erent areasI4 &oamin$ /et.een GS0
an% C0(S,
3iscussion: N)-11A)< is a relate% %ocument sho.in$ that it is easy to a%% a ne. 7B an%
chan$e the com/ine% proce%ure a$ain,
7n C0(S> the CB is re$istere% to /oth CS an% PS (C!AC an% C&AC), 6hen the CB
roams to GS0 se;eral cases shoul% /e consi%ere%, 7n case that the C0(S-&A sprea%
o;er more than one C0(S-!A an% /e lar$er than C0(S-!A> then re.ritin$ o" 00 "or
C0(S .oul% /e a re@uirement, 0any %ele$ates ha% concerns a/out it, (here is no
in"ormation .hy S9are takin$ this concept into consi%eration> an% makin$ &A an% !A
in%epen%ent in C0(S,
Amount o" chan$es to &1+ an% &18 is @uestione%J
7t is $oo% to in%icate to S9 that they .ill nee% another year to "inish this .ork
Conclusion o" concerns an% comments are:
 Back.ar%s compati/ility to ol% mo/iles must /e achie;e%,
 Comment that the chan$es to &1+ an% &18 shoul% /e minimise% .hen %esi$nin$ the
/ack.ar%s compati/ility,
 (he chan$es on &11 GS0 .oul% /e minimise% i" .e choose alternati;e ),
 Choosin$ one o" the 3 alternati;es is not ri$ht as that .oul% mean choosin$ .hether
there is Gs 7F or not, 6e %o not .ant to %eci%e upon this,
 (he re@uirements in 93,)9) .ill mean re.ritin$ the 00 almost completely, 6hy %o
the C!A an% C&A nee% to /e completely in%epen%ent-
 From N) ;ie.point it looks that either .e "ul"il the current re@uirement in 93,)9) an%
"ail to meet the sche%ule "or &11 /y a si$ni"icant mar$in or the re@uirements are
a%uste% to allo. the principle o" /ein$ a/le to use the e#istin$ GS0 /ack$roun% "or
00,
Conclusion: !S-out N)-11A12 .ill /e sent to S9 an% other $roups on this issue,
T0#* N1-99!91 On 24.007 and 24.011 responsibility/ TSG SA2
S9 thank N) "or "or.ar%in$ %ocument 6HS112)=(N)-11+39>S9-11+<9) an% .oul% like
to propose N) to take the responsi/ility o" 9=,22+ an% 9=,2)),
7n GS04GP&S> the PS-S0S C0 entities uses the !!C su/layer (GS0 2=,2+ an% 2=,))),
7n C0(S> %ue to !!C remo;al> it is a$ree% that the si$nallin$ channel shall /e use% "or
PS-S0S trans"er as .ell as CS-S0S %escri/e% in 93,)9) (see Brror: &e"erence source not
"oun%), As the conse@uence> 3G PS-S0S protocol architecture speci"ications
correspon%in$ to GS0 2=,2+ an% 2=,)) shall /e mo%i"ie% so that the 00 su/layer shall
/e use% "or PS-S0S messa$e trans"er,
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7n or%er to "inalise the &11 speci"ication> S9 .oul% like to propose N) to take the
responsi/ility o" 9=,22+ an% 9=,2)) an% take into account the possi/ly nee%e% chan$es to
them %ue to !!C remo;al,
3iscussion: No one ha% time to %o the output !S> .rite a note in the report to
communicate a$reement to the chairman o" S9 /y CN) chairman 0r, Hannu Haietalahti,
9=,22+ /elon$s to N) .ith no %ou/t as 9=,228 .ill not /e complete .ithout it,
9=,2)) is another @uestion, (he protocol is clearly CN relate% /ut it has not /een
tra%itionally the property o" S0G3 6PA 4 (SGN) an% hence .e ha;e not a $reat %eal o"
e#pertise in this area, A%%itionally the remo;al o" !!C causes a si$ni"icant chan$es to the
inter"aces an% the ser;ice primiti;es,
6e ha;e ust starte% the .ork /y e;aluatin$ the impact o" the remo;al o" the !!C /ut
there are no %ocuments that can /e pro;i%e% "or in"ormation yet,
Conclusion: No time to .rite a "ormal !S> the Chairman to communicate this result to the
(SGN Plenary an% to the S9 Chairman,
T0#* N1-99911 8iai+#n +tatement t# N1 #n the re-i+e0 6#rk item 0e+*ripti#n $#r
#ut-#$-ban0 tran+*#0er *#ntr#,
(SG-N9 ha;e re;ie.e% an% a$ree% a re;ise% .ork item %escription (attache% in N)-
11B))) "or the speci"ication .ork to intro%uce out-o"-/an% transco%er control "or C0(S,
(his re;ise% .ork item %escription .as prepare% as a result o" the re;ie. o" the technical
"easi/ility report> .hich .as sent to N) as an attachment to a liaison statement (N9-
111+<) "rom the N9 meetin$ in Kis/y> S.e%en> )1 L 93 Muly )111,
6e i%enti"ie% that this .ork item .ill re@uire su/stantial a%%itions to (S 9=,228> .hich is
in the remit o" N),
6e .oul% /e $rate"ul i" N) coul% re;ie. an% pro;i%e comments on the assessment o" the
impact on 9=,228, N) are also aske% to $i;e their ;ie.s on the e#pecte% time-scales "or
the %e;elopment o" 9=,228 to support out-o"-/an% transco%er control> so that these can /e
inclu%e% in the .ork item %escription,
3iscussion: From S9 point o" ;ie. this a &9222 .ork item> .here the chairman
mentione% that it is /ase% on rumours .hich .e ha;e hear% an% not on the analysis .e
ma%e, 6e nee% a "easi/le reason not to ha;e on release 11,
(he impact on 9=,228 e""ects the BC ne$otiation,
N3 .ill /e e""ecte% also> it .ill /e /rou$ht up /y CN) chairman in the plenary to /e in
&117t is the last %ay an% .e %o not ha;e time to .ork .ith it,
Conclusion: CN) chairman .ill present it in the (SG to /e in &elease 11,
T0#* N1-99911 8S t# S! an0 N1 &CC) #n re<uire0 net6#rk $un*ti#na,it; $#r u+age
#$ S(M in 3G m#bi,e+ % TSG CN1
(SG CN 6G9 has re;ie.e% the attache% liaison statement recei;e% "rom (SG SA ((%oc
(SGS*=(11)9=2), 7t i%enti"ie% the "ollo.in$ re@uirements to /e a%%resse% /y the 3GPP
Core Net.ork speci"ications:
 possi/ility "or the ;isite% net.ork to %etect the type o" S70 use%
 possi/ility "or the ;isite% net.ork to restrict the access o" GS0-only S70 user to the
GS0 access portion o" a P!0N
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3iscussion: is it clear ho. .e can %istin$uish /et.een GS0 an% C0(S S70- (he
chairman replie% that there shoul% /e a mechanism> Siemens a%%e% that the S70 people
shoul% /e aske%JJ
(he proposal .as to lea;e it no. .hile the time is ti$ht at the en% o" the meetin$> also .e
coul% .ait till thin$s $et clear,
Conclusion: N'(B3
T0#* N1-99912 Pr#p#+e0 ,iai+#n +tatement t# S1 an0 N1 #n *#mbine0 m#bi,it;
management % TSG N1
(SG-N9 thank (SG-S9 "or their liaison statement (S9-111=+) on the com/ine% 0AP
operations,
(SG-N9 ha;e %iscusse% contri/utions on the core net.ork si$nallin$ an% net.ork entity
/eha;iour "or com/ine% mo/ility mana$ement> an% .e ha;e ma%e use"ul pro$ressA many
o" the @uestions in S9-111=+ ha;e /een resol;e%> /ut others are un%er %iscussion,
Ho.e;er there is still a si$ni"icant amount o" .ork to /e %one in (SG-N9> an% it is
pro/a/le that the .ork .oul% not /e complete% /e"ore the (SG plenary meetin$s in
3ecem/er )111,
Furthermore> (SG-N9 are not con"i%ent that the .ork "or com/ine% mo/ility
mana$ement in &elease 11 .oul% /e limite% to N9A it is possi/le that .ork .oul% also /e
nee%e% in (SG-N), (SG-N9 assume that (SG-S9 ha;e also aske% (SG-N) to comment
on the impact o" com/ine% mo/ility mana$ement on (SG-N)Es .ork area,
3iscussion: 7t is the com/ine% proce%ures on 0AP to H!&, N)-11B92 mi$ht /e a relate%
%ocumentJ-
Some o" the history o" this issue .as $i;en /y one o" the %ele$ates, (his 67 .as a$ree%
in 'cto/er, last year an% mo;e% to the sta/le case in April, Must no. they come up .ith
@uestions "or Sta$e 3 a"ter %e"inin$ ph3 .here it .as planne% "or &11 an% it is seems no.
they mo;e% it "or 9222, 3oes N) really has an impact - it is not un%erstan%a/le .hat is
propose% /y N9-
6e ha;enNt seen this contri/ution on the ta/le /e"ore> an% they .ant to chan$e the 67
"rom one release to another, Pro/a/ly> it .as misu%$e% "or one release
Any in%ications on N9 %ecision- no rumours-
Conclusion: So this is note%
T0#* N1-99931 8S #n *iphering #$ the initia, me++age% TSG S! WG1
(SG S9 .oul% like to in"orm N) a/out the %ecision ma%e on the cipherin$ o" the initial
messa$e, (he "ollo.in$ @uestion .as presente% on this topic in (%oc 6HS-112)1 O)P>
.hich .as su/mitte% to the oint meetin$ on han%o;er 93
r%
o" Au$ust in Sophia Antipolis,
7t inclu%es the ans.er "or the @uestion: How is the ciphering of the initial message
supposed to work over UT!"#
Nokia presente%
3iscussion: 7t ali$ns .ith Fuitsu statement> .here it sees the main %i""erence that this
ans.er contains ser;ice type .hich is inclu%e% in C0 ser;ice re@uest, Fuitsu %ele$ate is
not sure i" this proce%ure is use% "or this purpose, He a%%e% that it is /etter to use it as
ser;ice in%epen%ent> /ut /asically it ali$n to their contri/ution,
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(he !S "rom S9 shoul% /e use% "or ali$nment .ithout contri/ution .hich .ill /e
pro%uce% in the ne#t meetin$, 6e .ill not a$ree on it in this meetin$ /ecause o" lack o"
time
Conclusion: (he matter shoul% /e re;isite% in the ne#t (SGN) meetin$, the %ocument is
Note%,
2 Maintenan*e #$ 9: an0 #,0er re,ea+e+
4.1 corrections
T0#* N1-99912%-99, T0#* N1-9991?%9:, T0#* N1-9991>%97 MCC $#r Cana0a
a00e0 4 + !ayers AG
(hese are C&s a$ainst 93,299 4 23,99 re@uirin$ the a%%ition o" a ne. 0CC "or Cana%a,
the 0CCH329 is su$$este% to /e a%%e% "or the HP!0 matchin$ criteria "or mo/iles
.hich support PSC)122 in North America,
No one .as present to present this %ocument an% the chairman in;ite% the %ele$ates to
rea% it,
3iscussion: Back$roun% in"ormation on .hy it is not inclu%e% in pre;ious relate% C&s is
re@ueste%, &1+ speci"ication is nee%e% to /e checke% .hether it contains &18 C&s>
speci"ically the 3-%i$it 0NC shoul% not appear in &1+ ;ersion o" 23,99 at all /ecause the
HarmoniDation o" PCS)122 .as a &18 .ork item,
7t must /e hi$hli$hte% that this is a retrospecti;e chan$e o" speci"ication %ue to an error in
&18 speci"ication> not /ecause o" an erroneous implementation, As &18 is alrea%y in
rollout phase> so also the manu"acturers .ho .ere not represente% in the meetin$ shoul%
check their implementations,
Conclusion: (hey .ere all reecte%>
• N)-111)= Co;er pa$e must in%icate chan$es to 0B an% CN
• N)-111)=> N)-111): are still open an% they are postpone%
• N)-111)< is reecte% Harmonisation o" PCS)122 .as a &18 67> this &1+ C& is not
nee%e%,
• Some manu"acturers re@ueste% more time to check their implementation,
T0#* N1-99957%9: an0 T0#* N1-9995:%99 A& SD8 *hange+ $#r the !nne= ! #n
Paper)
Conclusion: Both .ere reecte%, Ho.e;er these corrections are still nee%e%,
T0#* N1-99911 an0 T0#* N1-99911 re+pe*ti-e,;3 C#rre*ti#n #$ "igure !31 in !nne=
! PCS )122 Harmonisation4 Bricsson presente%,
7n Anne# A in the section QHP!0N 0atchin$ Criteria "or mo/iles .hich support
PCS)122 "or NA.R there is an error in the "i$ure A,9
Bo# = in Fi$ure A,9 in Anne# A %oes not ali$n .ith the %escription "or (=) in the
normati;e te#t,
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(he current te#t in Bo# = in the "i$ure A,9 shoul% /e %elete% an% replace% .ith Q=,
BCCH-0CC lies in the ran$e 3)2-3)<R
PCS)122 "or NA inclu%es the 0CC 329> 3)2 L 3)<
(his C& allo.s HP!0 matchin$ "or ne. mo/iles .hich reco$nise the 329 co%e as part
o" PCS)122 "or NA an% not "or the ol% mo/iles .hich %onEt,
(his C& also clari"ies that that the te#t is normati;e an% the %ia$rams are in"ormati;e
(.hich is the normal practice "or S0G3 6PA4N) specs) to a;oi% such misun%erstan%in$
in the "uture
Please correct .or%in$ an% e%itorial usin$ shall to make it optional,
Conclusion: re;ise% to N1-9993? an% N1-9993> "or email appro;al .ithin a .eek, an%
the results .ere> /oth are reecte% an% the chairman commente% that a C& shoul% /e
prepare% "or the Plenary CN*:,
T0#* N1-9991?%9>, T0#* N1-9991>%97, T0#* N1-99917%9:, T0#* N1-
9991:%99 C#0ing S*heme in Net6#rk Name (/ % Siemen+
N)-11B9: .as presente% /y Siemens,
As there a se;eral S0S cell /roa%cast co%in$ schemes %e"ine% in 23,38> this %e"inition is
am/i$uous, (his C& proposes to re"er instea% to the %e"ault alpha/et "or CBS
3iscussion: Clari"ication o" the e#istin$ te#t, No chan$e o" implementation shoul% /e
re@uire%> /ut the manu"acturers are in;ite% to check .hether this is ho. they un%erstoo%
it /e"ore
Conclusion: the C& is a$ree% as .ell as N1-9991>> N1-99917 an% N1-9991:,
4.2 GPRS
T0#* N1-99919 Summar; #$ Bagree0B Change e<ue+t+ t# GSM 5235: SM%GMM
$r#m the app#rteur GSM 5235: GPS part % 3
6as presente% "or in"ormation an% note%,
T0#* N1-999?7 Summar; #$ Change e<ue+t+ t# GSM 533>5 an0 'MTS 1335>5
$r#m the app#rteur GSM 533>5 C 1335>5 % 7an+ Petter Naper- M#t#r#,a3
6as presente% "or in"ormation an% note%,
T0#* N1-999?: Summar; #$ Change e<ue+t+ t# GSM 523>2 $r#m the app#rteur
GSM 523>2 % 7an+ Petter Naper- M#t#r#,a3
6as presente% "or in"ormation an% note%,
T0#* N1-99!53 "reeDing e,ea+e 97 % N#kia, /rri*+#n
3iscussion paper
7t is /asically mentionin$ to reach a common un%erstan%in$ on .hat Iessential
correctionI means,
Be"ore S0G*32 .e ha;e to accept that .e cannot continue to chan$e &1+ e;en i"> /y
%oin$ so> .e $et a technically /etter solution, A special attention shoul% /e pai% to
chan$es that e""ect the co%in$ o" protocol 7n"ormation Blements as they cause
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compati/ility pro/lems in inter"aces .hen not implemente% at same time, Chan$es causes
a /i$ e""orts to the manu"acturers to chan$e their pre;ious implementation .hich are
alrea%y passe% the test phases,
3iscussion:
A principle has /een a$ree% that "or ol% releases (&1+> &18) only essential corrections
an% clari"ications not in;ol;in$ chan$e o" implementation shoul% /e allo.e%, All
a%%itions o" "eatures an% impro;ements o" rare e#ceptional cases shoul% $o to &11,
Some o" the ar$uments pointe% out /y the %ele$ates .ere:
 ho. to han%le the corrections .ith some e#ceptions
 a/normal cases mi$ht /e o" some concern> .hich ha;e /i$ strate$y pro/lems
 a%% e#ceptional cases part o" C: an% .i%e o" scope o" C)
 another i%es .as this .ill not help "or a lot o" pro$ress, All manu"acturers nee%
.orka/le speci"ication .hich is nee%e% an% not /ecause o" some chan$es shoul% /e
stoppe%
 many a/normal cases "or the A inter"ace coul% /e sol;e% in the 0S> /ut it is /etter to
consi%er chan$es .hich e""ect more than one entity .hich is a pro/lem as the
chairman stresse%,
 %ocuments shoul% /e circulate% in time "or mail %iscussion an% all atten%in$
manu"acturin$ companies practically .hich are acti;e in the meetin$s shoul%
consensus, 'ther opinion .ere aske% "or at the meetin$, Some solution .ere
su$$este% an% %iscusse%
 7t is /etter to issue a "ormalistic e#ceptional list in this meetin$ to make thin$s clear,
 C) to C: shoul% /e in%icate% "or GP&S .hich shoul% /e consi%ere% /y the chairman,
 chan$e C) an% C9 /y acti;e an% se;ere pro/lems> pro/lems sol;e% /y reection
 Put &18 to the su/ect as .ell> this /e accepte% /y a%%in$ a%%itional close,
 (he ne. e%ition is e%ite% to$ether, (akin$ the .or% manu"acturin$ a.ay not to
e#clu%e the operators,
 C) .e are not strictly normal case /ut error case i" they are causin$ se;ere pro/lems
on protocols errors, this paper to /e re;ise% /y the ori$inator
 C3 .ill /e %elete% as re@uire% /y Siemens
Ne. re;ision .ill /e nee%e% an% any proposals .ere .elcome% %urin$ the meetin$ an%
/e"ore the ne. %ocument is %istri/ute%
Conclusion: (ake the results to a Plenary meetin$ le;el> /y the chairman> an% en%orse it
there,
!S to propose this to S0G9 6PA> N9 an% N3 .ill /e sent in (%oc N)-11A9=,
&e;ise% to N)-11A9),
T0#* N1-99!11 has /een re;ise% "rom N)-11A23 an% chan$es .ere sho.n .ith re;ision
marks,
3iscussion: (he chairman pointe% out the chan$es> like:
- C9 .as %elete% "or other reasons .e nee%e% other corrections, /ecause i" one o" our
C&s are reecte% or re;ise% .e nee% to react "or that> so complete chan$es openin$ on our
speci"ications mi$ht /e necessary,
Conclusion: N) opinion this .ill /e use% as $ui%elines "or our meetin$s
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chan$e the ori$inator to N)
it .oul% /e an e""icient metho% i" accepte% an% use% /y other $roups so the chairman .ill
take it to CN Plenary,
A/out other $roups .ill /e liaisone% "rom CN plenary not to "or$et S0G9 6PA> N9 N3>
(SGN plenary shoul% /e note% too to in"orm other (SG Planeries
&e;ise% to N)-11A9: .hich .as a$ree%,
(he su/ect is chan$e% to IFreeDin$ &elease 1+ an% &elease 18I, (he treatment o" &18
C&s %i""ers sli$htly "rom that o" &1+ C&s, Ho.e;er> the "reeDin$ %ate an% criteria o" &18
is not clear %ue to also other .ork items than GP&S /ein$ open (at least !CS)
$or convenience% & add the results as 'elow(
 No more GP&S C&s to &1+ an% &18 shall /e accepte%,
 Ho.e;er the "ollo.in$ e#ceptions shall /e allo.e% "or &elease 1+ an% &elease 18:
 (C)) Bssential Cn"oreseen Pro/lems, (his is .here a normal case scenario .ill not
.ork /ecause there is some (as yet un%etecte%) error in the speci"ications,
N'(B - C) applies to Inormal caseI scenarios .hich are likely to occur "re@uently, 7t
is too late to correct errors .hich are not that likely to occur ;ery o"ten in practice,
C&s on a/normal cases can only /e appro;e% on the con%ition that they are not
co;ere% /y alrea%y e#istin$ error han%lin$ mechanism an% .oul% cause serious
pro/lems,
 (C9) Corrections prompte% /y other S(C 4 (SG $roups,
 (C3) Corrections to implementation o" earlier C&s> .here 0CC e%itors ha;e ma%e
some mistake .hich nee%s correction,
 (C=) 'ther C&s .here the C& is acti;ely supporte% /y all atten%in$ companies,
T0#* N1-99!52 C,ari$i*ati#n+ #n the management #$ #,0 an0 ne6 T88(% !,*ate,,
8u*ent, M#t#r#,a
Paper "or %iscussion> an% Alcatel presente% the %ocument,
(he mana$ement o" the ol% an% ne. (!!7 %urin$ a P-(0S7 reallocation proce%ure %oes not seem
to /e clearly %e"ine% in GS0 (S 2=,28> 28,)8> 2=,2+ an% 2=,<=, (his may lea% to %i""erent
implementations in BSS an% SGSN an% hence to interopera/ility issues,
(his %ocument %e"ines our un%erstan%in$ o" the proce%ure an% clari"ies the rules to /e o/eye% /y
SGSN> 0S an% BSS, Correspon%in$ C&s on GS0 (S 2=,28> 28,)8> 2=,2+ an% 2=,<= are
propose% (attache% - .ithout co;er sheet),
&f an )*)" provides a second T++&% indicating that an ,) has recently changed its T++&% this
shall 'e considered as -the old T++&.. ! /)) uses the -old T++&. to locate an ,)0s e1isting
conte1t. )u'se2uent uplink data transfers for this ,) shall reference the current T++&% and not the
old T++&..
3iscussion: 6e .ere tryin$ to "i$ure out the real pro/lem .ith common un%erstan%in$,
Siemens %ele$ate has some comments i%enti"yin$ a pro/lem that the SGSN> 0S> an%
BSS coul% use %i""erent (!!7s %urin$ a session, Also chan$e o" (!!7 %urin$ an on$oin$
((BF) (emporary /lock i%enti"ier is a pro/lem as Siemens state%,
(!!7 is use% /y 0AC so it is seen as an open su/ect S0G9,
Conclusion: !S out to S0G9 N)-11A93 .ill /e .ritten /y Alcatel> $i;in$ N)
un%erstan%in$ "or the speci"ications,
T0#* N1-99!19 Net.ork initiate% 3etach I70S7 %etach % Siemen+
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3ocument "or %iscussion
(he %iscusse% analysis is an e#tract o" an e-mail %iscussion commentin$ a %ocument
"rom the pre;ious meetin$ CN)*<> proposin$ chan$es to some speci"ications like
2=,28,an% 21,)8 %escri/in$ the a/normal cases
(he %ocument raises some @uestions an% su$$estin$ ans.ers, !ike ho. the SGSN .ill
ask "or &AC .hen the 0S comes up or per"orm e#plicit 70S7 %etach proce%ure-
3iscussion: 0r, Gru/er %eclare% that in case o" K!& "ailure all su/scri/ers .ill /e
e""ecte% so an association shoul% /e esta/lishe% /et.een the 0S an% the SGSN, (imers
.ill run out .ill not let all 0Ss to /e reconnecte% at the same time, So .ithin the
association it .oul% /e possi/le to han%le the &AC re@uests /y the K!& an% step /y step
to connect the mo/iles, 7t is a net.ork an% operator @uestion .hether they .oul% like to
ha;e this solution,
(he chairman aske% i" this is an error case .hich .e %o not really .ant to co;er, 0r,
Gru/er ans.ere% that it is a %e"ine% scenario so .e nee% to react upon it,
&elease 11 .ill make sense "rom BricssonNs point o" ;ie.> an% the chairman secon%e%
him, 70S7 %etach e#ist in &1+ so it shoul% /e han%le% as one o" the %ele$ates a%%e%,
Conclusion: Note% all releases are e""ecte% an% a C& "or each .ill /e intro%uce% (%ocs
N)-11A+<> N)-11A++> an% N)-11A+8 are to /e intro%uces /y Siemens,
T0#*+ N1-99!7>%97, N1-99!77%9:, an0 N1-99!7:%99 are intr#0u*e0 up#n the
ab#-e 0i+*u++i#n paper3 Net6#rk initiate0 0eta*h t;pe E(MS( 0eta*h % Siemen+
pre+ente0 &#n,; N1-99!7>%97 6a+ a-ai,ab,e)
(here is no speci"ic reaction %e"ine% "or the 0S recei;in$ a net.ork initiate% %etach
re@uest in%icatin$ Q70S7 %etachR, (here are t.o potential topics i%enti"ie%> "or .hich this
net-initiate% %etach .as pro/a/ly inten%e% to /e use% /oth locate% in GS0 21,)8:
 7n the case 0S re@uests a %etach "or non-GP&S ser;ice an% the K!& %i% not response
to the %etach re@uestQ the )*)" shall send a detach message to the mo'ile indicating
that the 3+ has not responded to the 4etach indication. The mo'ile may% after a
determined period of time% try again the detach indication to the 3+,R (GS0 21,)8),
Accor%in$ the %e"inition o" the 0S initiate% %etach $i;en in GS0 2=,28 the 0S .ill
locally %etach i" it %i% not $et a con"irm "rom the net.ork, Because o" this the a/o;e
mentione% %e"inition in 21,)8 "or the SGSN /eha;iour seems to /e super"luous an%
.ith C& 21,)8 A23< it is proposes to replace this %e"inition /y the %e"inition> that the
SGSN shall simply sen% the %etach con"irm to the 0S /y itEs o.n,
 7n the current 21,)8 speci"ication it is %e"ine%> that i" the K!&-&elia/le ;aria/le is set
to S"alseE(i,e, the K!& has in%icate% a K!& "ailure) upon reception o" a &AC "rom the
0S the SGSN shall re@uest the 0S to reattach to non-GP&S ser;ices, (his seems to
su$$est that the SGSN shoul% per"orm a G00 speci"ic proce%ure a"ter the
completion o" the &AC proce%ure, As in the case o" a K!& "ailure> the G00400
conte#t %ata is still a;aila/le in the SGSN> /ut only the K!& has lost the association
to the SGSN> it shoul% /e su""icient that the SGSN per"orms a location up%ate
to.ar%s the K!& in the case the 0S re@uest a com/ine% &AC irrespecti;ely .hether
the 0S has chan$e% the !A or only the &A .ithin the !A> an% in the case the 0S
per"orms a perio%ic &AC, (his is propose% to /e clari"ie% in C& 21,)8 A238,
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As "or /oth cases the net-initiate% %etach seems to /e not nee%e%> it is propose% %o
%elete% this type o" %etach completely,
3iscussion: 3escription o" the /eha;iour on the 0S si%e is missin$ so .ith this set o"
C&s it only $et a solution to $et it .ork an% not intro%ucin$ a ne. "unctionality,
(here .as a reection o" the proposals
Conclusion: all are reecte%
T0#* N1-999>7 % 97, T0#* N1-999>: %9:, T0#* N1-999>9 % 99 C,ari$i*ati#n #n
mu,tip,e=ing #$ +e-era, NS!P(S #nt# #ne 88C S!P( % Siemen+
(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 23,<2493,2<2 "or %i""erent releases,
(he ToS-relate% limitations .hen NSAP7s share a SAP7 are not clearly state%,
(here is nothin$ state% a/out ra%io priority or "urther ToS parameters as relia/ility class
an% peak throu$hput class .hen multiple#in$ se;eral NSAP7S onto one !!C SAP7,
(his may lea% to multiple#in$ o" NSAP7S .ith e,$, %i""erent relia/ility classes an% ra%io
priorities onto one !!C SAP7 at the same time> thus mi#in$ !!C ackno.le%$e% an%
unackno.le%$e% mo%e> &!C ackno.le%$e% an% unackno.le%$e% mo%e etc,
As a result the !!B (at least in the 0S) has to associate ToS parameters an% a ra%io
priority .ith each !!C "rame, (S 2=,<= (ta/le +) "oresees ToS parameters an% ra%io
priority as parameters in the !!-3A(A an% !!-CN7(3A(A primiti;es> /ut .hen
transmittin$ e,$, SAB0 comman%s or CA responses the !!B %oes not kno. .hich ToS
parameters an% ra%io priority to use> so %e"ault ;alues .hich currently are not %e"ine%
.oul% ha;e to /e use%,
Another pro/lem occurs i"> as a result o" multiple#in$ NSAP7S .ith %i""erent ToS
parameters> N-P3CS .ith %i""erent priorities ha;e to /e transmitte% on one SAP7, 7n the
0S the only criteria "or esta/lishin$ priorities to multiple# !!C SAP7S is the ra%io
priority (peak throu$hput an% relia/ility class are the only a;aila/le ToS parameters in
the 0S !!C)> /ut no "i#e% relation /et.een %elay class an% ra%io priority is speci"ie%,
(he implementation %epen%ant multiple#in$ proce%ure may esta/lish priorities in such a
.ay that !!C P3Cs o" one !!B may not /e transmitte% in F7F' or%er any lon$er .hich
is essential "or the !!C protocol, 'n the other han% P3Cs .ith a hi$h priority may /e
%elaye% /y P3Cs .ith a lo.er priority .hich are in the same !!B transmission @ueue,
A %ra./ack o" mi#in$ !!C-P3Cs .ith %i""erent &!C mo%es on one SAP7 is that each
chan$e o" &!C mo%e lea%s to releasin$ the e#istin$ (BF an% esta/lishin$ a ne. one in
the &!C40AC layer,
(his C& proposes that multiple#in$ o" "urther NSAP7S onto an !!C SAP7 shall only /e
possi/le i" the ToS parameters an% ra%io priority use% /y that !!C SAP7 (as a result o"
the "irst P3P conte#t acti;ation "or that !!C SAP7) are e@ual to the su/se@uent NSAP7S
3iscussion: Siemens recei;e% 9 mail comments a$reein$ the opinion, Bosch has a
constructi;e comment not to use relia/ility class an% Siemens accepte% it,
Tuality o" ser;ice parameters .hich are necessary "or one NSAP7 to allo. multiple#in$
on a SAP7 has to /e %e"ine%
ToS parameters .ere %iscusse%> %ata rate seems not to /e a "actor, 3elay class shoul% /e
treate% in a %i""erent .ay> usin$ o" mi$ht (not to use SHA!!)> .here it .oul% /e possi/le
to multiples on a cheap channel, Siemens a%%e% that .hile implementin$ the 0S .e
%isco;ere% the pro/lem> i" the net.ork is a/le to assi$n NSAP7s con"lictin$ .ith
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assumptions> then it is not possi/le an% the 0S has to implement all options .hich the
net.ork hasJ
Conclusion. a re;ise% %ocument .ill /e %iscusse% "or each release N)-11A9<> N)-
11A9+> N)-11A98 are the ne. (%oc num/ers respecti;ely,
T0#*+ N1-99!1>, N1-99!17, N1-99!1:
3iscussion : 'nly relia/ility class (e#, Ack an% Cnack mo%e in !!C) layer is not
consi%ere% as a conclusion,
(he a%%e% peak throu$hput .ill /e remo;e% an% mean throu$hput class .ill /e remo;e%,
Conclusion: (he three %ocuments .ill /e re;ise% to N1-99!99, N1-99955, N1-99951
.hich .ere presente% an% a$ree%,
T0#* N1-99!75%97 &6hi*h i+ re-i+e0 $r#m N1-9997?), N1-99!71%9:, an0 N1-
99!71%99 % N#rte, Net6#rk+, M#t#r#,a
(his chan$e re@uest aims to remo;e all re"erence to the BB Protocol "rom GS0 23,<2 to
ali$n GS0 23,<2 .ith the G(P protocol %e"inition in GS0 21,<2, (he BB Protocol is
co;ere% /y the &elia/ility Class attri/ute o" the ToS 7B
Conclusion: (hey .ere all reecte%,
T0#*+ N1-99993%9:, an0 N1-99992%99, !00iti#n #$ 88-ST!T'S (n0 % Mat+u+hita
C#mmuni*ati#n (n0u+tria, 'F &Pana+#ni*)
(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 2=,2+242=,22+ "or %i""erent releases,
7" layer-3 U73 ne$otiation "ails .hile in !!C is in A30 mo%e> no "ailure in%ication is
sent /ack to layer-3 upon !!C sen%in$ the U73 "rame N922 times,
(his causes a pro/lem /ecause V <,8 2=,<: states that the SN3CP shall suspen% the
trans"er o" SN-3A(A an% SN-CN7(3A(A primiti;es to the !!C SAP to .hich the
!!5U73, re@uest is sent, No %ata trans"er is possi/le on that !!C SAP7 until the U73
ne$otiation has complete% /y either a success or "ailure in%ication "rom !!C or collision
resolution /y SN3CP,
C& A))2 on 2=,<= propose% to intro%uce a ne. messa$e primiti;e !!-S(A(CS to
in%icate to !ayer-3 .hen an !!C error that cannot /e correcte% /y the !!C layer has
occurre%, (his C& a%%s a %escription o" the ne. primiti;e,
3iscussion: it is $ettin$ %i""icult to put the .hole packa$e to$ether, 1 C&s .ithin this
su/ect are to /e /un%le% to$ether,
7t .as su$$este% that the status in%ication as propose% "or 2=,2+> I.hy .e %o not accept
the proposal (N)-1118+ .hich is re;ise%) .e are usin$ !! in%ication alrea%y so remo;e
this C& an% inclu%e it in the pre;ious %ocumentI, Bricsson mentione% that the correction
in the ta/le in%icates only !!-S(A(CS .ithout mentionin$ Iin%IJ
Conclusion: -/oth %ocuments are re;ise% to N)-111A:) an% N)-111A:9,respecti;ely,
N)-11119 "or release 1+ to /e intro%uce% .here it .as not a;aila/le at the time o"
%iscussion,
T0#*+ N1-999!?1, N1-999!?1, N1-99991 .ere a$ree%,
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T0#* N1-99911%97, T0#* N1-99913%9:, T0#* N1-99913%99 !00iti#n #$ !**e++
P#int Name in e<ue+t PDP C#nte=t !*ti-ati#n
me++age % NTT D#C#M#
A C& a$ainst 9=,228 4 &18 an% is su$$este% "or &11 F &1+ too,
7t consi%ers that the P3P a%%resses "or a mo/ile su/scri/er are allocate% in%epen%ently /y
%i""erent 7P net.orks, 7" 7P;= a%%resses are use% as the P3P a%%resses> each P3P a%%ress
is $enerally a pri;ate a%%ress, As a result> there may /e the case .here %i""erent 7P
net.orks may acci%entally allocate the same num/er as a P3P a%%ress to a mo/ile
su/scri/er, 7n case o" net.ork-re@ueste% P3P conte#t proce%ure> 0S cannot i%enti"y the
APN to /e set in Acti;ate P3P conte#t re@uest messa$e i" same P3P a%%ress is allocate%
/y %i""erent %ata net.orks, 7t su$$est the solution o" a%%in$ APN to the messa$es
N&e@uest P3P Conte#t Acti;ation (SGSN-W0S)N in case o" P3P acti;ation initiate% /y the
net.ork,
3iscussion: 7n chapter <,3,),9 APN shoul% also /e a%%e%,
A %iscussion .ent on i" it is re@uire% only "or 0( or 0' as .ell,
'""line %iscussion taken place re@uire%
Conclusion: All .ere re;ise%,
&e;ise% to N1-99951> .hich is a$ree% &11> N1-99953 an% N1-99952 are not ma%e
a;aila/le,
T0#* N1-99935%97, T0#* N1-99931%9:, T0#* N1-99931%99 C *,a+h in +e*3
23733313> % Siemen+
(hese %ocuments are C& a$ainst 2=,2849=,228
6ith C& A:83 re;, = (N)-11=13) the %e"inition o" the a/normal case net.ork si%e "or the
com/ine% attach case .ere replace% /y a re"erence to the i%entical %e"initions "or the non
com/ine% case, 7t .as also in%icate% in Iother commentsI> that 5 6 !478r2 9Tdoc "1:
991;4< also made modifications of section 4.8.=.2.7. /ut as these modifications are also
made in section 4.8.=.1.7 'y !478r2% the modifications in 4.8.=.2.7 made 'y this 6
should take precedence over these given 'y !478r2.5, Ne;ertheless it seems that this
$ui%ance .as not taken into consi%eration .hen incorporatin$ the C&s,
&n addition in "1:999=1 and "1:999=2 include additional te1t where ,66 editing
pro'lems are encountered.
3iscussion: Bricsson @uestione% that .e nee% to i%enti"y .hich cate$ory accor%in$ to the
ne. a$reements, C3 is a$ree%
Conclusion: N)-11132 is a$ree%,
&e;ise% (%oc num/ers .ere $i;en to remo;e the a%%itional te#t .here 0CC is in"orme%
a/out the necessary e%itorial chan$es, N)-1113)-W N1-99!37> N)-11139-W N1-99!3:
Conclusion: /oth N1-99!37 an0 N1-99!3: .ere a$ree%
T0#* N1-99933 % 97, T0#* N1-99932 %9:, T0#* N1-9993? % 99 C *,a+h in +e*3
23733313331 an0 2373?313331 % Siemen+
(hese %ocuments are C& a$ainst 2=,2849=,228
Both C& A:8: re;, : (N)-11::<) an% C& A:8+ re;, 9 (N)-11=:9) ma%e mo%i"ications in
the sections =,+,3,9,3,9 an% =,+,3,9,3,9, Because it .as not possi/le "or the implementers
o" the C&s to kno. ho. to com/ine these mo%i"ications> this C& clari"ies this,
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As the 00 shall /e in the state 00 !'CA(7'N CP3A(7NG PBN37NG %urin$
on$oin$ com/ine% G00 speci"ic proce%ures> the 00 state 00 73!B shoul% only /e
entere% .hen the G00 attempt counters e#pires an% the 00 speci"ic proce%ures are
starte%,
3iscussion: A note to 0CC to ha;e some "ormattin$ chan$es is note%
Ho. to consi%er the 0S i%le .hile assi$nin$ a %e%icate% channel "or !'C up%ate, 67 is
not speci"ie% /ecause it is not GP&S /ut 3GPP> cate$ory A is a correction "or the co;er
sheet
Conclusion: all are a$ree%
0CC shoul% consi%er the chan$es mentione%,
 N)-1113= e%itorial chan$es shoul% /e consi%ere% /y 0CC,
 N)-1113: e%itorial chan$es shoul% /e consi%ere% /y 0CC, (he C& shoul% /e
cate$orise% as A H correspon%s to 9G correction,
T0#* N1-9993> % 97, T0#* N1-99937 %9:, T0#* N1-9993: % 99 T3111 re+tart a$ter
!' reGe*t % Siemen+
(hese %ocuments are C& a$ainst 2=,2849=,228
Accor%in$ to GS0 21,)8 the K!& restarts the implicit %etach timer .hen the SGSN
in%icates GP&S 3etach> /ecause the location up%ate proce%ure has /een reecte% /y the
SGSN,
GS0 21,)8:
; >1plicit &,)& detach from *?) services procedure
;.1 *eneral description
..... The procedure is also used 'y the )*)" to indicate to the 3+ when a +ocation
Update procedure has 'een re@ected 'y the )*)". .....
;.= ?rocedures in the 3+
Ahen a 3+ receives a /))!?B:*?):4>T!6H:&"4&6!T&C" message% the 3+ shall
send a /))!?B:*?):4>T!6H:!6D message to the sending )*)". The state of the
association for the ,) shall 'e moved from any state to *s:"U++. The 3+ marks the
association as E&,)& detached for *?) services0 with the reason indicated in the &,)&
detach from *?) service type &>.
&f the 3+0s implicit detach timer is not running then% the 3+ shall set and restart the
implicit detach timer upon reception of a /))!?B:*?):4>T!6H:&"4&6!T&C"
message. &f the 3+0s implicit detach timer is running 9ie the state of the association was
already *s:"U++< then% the reception of a /))!?B:*?):4>T!6H:&"4&6!T&C"
message shall not affect the 3+0s implicit detach timer.5
As the perio%ic location up%ate timer (39)9 in the 0S must run synchronous .ith
implicit %etach timer> the 0S must restart (39)9 .hen the &AC is reecte% .ith cause
co%e *+ an% the 0S .as attache% "or GP&S an% non GP&S in a net.ork operatin$ in
net.ork mo%e 7,
3iscussion: Some %iscussion .ent on,
Conclusion: all are re;ise% to N)-11A31> N)-11A=2> N)-11A=) respecti;ely an% they
are all Postpone% /ecause o" Alcatel ha% some comments .hich nee%e% o""line
%iscussion,
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A"ter o"" line% %iscussion Alcatel in%icate% that it is "ine "or them no.
(hey .ere all a$ree%,
T0#* N1-99939 % 97, T0#* N1-99925 %9:, T0#* N1-99921 % 99 Ne6 State GMM-
/G(ST//D3(MS(-D/T!C7-(N(T(!T/D % Siemen+
(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 2=,2849=,228 "or %i""erent releases,
7" the net.ork is in mo%e 7 an% the 0S is attache% "or /oth GP&S an% non-GP&S ser;ices
an% the 0S .ants to %etach the 70S7 "or non-GP&S ser;ices only> the com/ine% GP&S
%etach proce%ure is use%, Accor%in$ to the current %e"inition the state G00-
3B&BG7S(B&B3-7N7( shoul% /e entere%, (he su/se@uent state a"ter state G00-
3B&BG7S(B&B3-7N7( is G00-3B&BG7S(B&B3, (his is .ron$> as the 0S is only
%etache% "or non-GP&S ser;ices, Furthermore is not allo.e% to transmit user %ata in state
G00-3B&BG7S(B&B3-7N7(> /ut there is no $oo% reason to "or/i% this %urin$ the
%etach "or non-GP&S ser;ices only,
Because o" this a ne. su/state is intro%uce% in the G00 main state G00-
&BG7S(B&B3 in .hich the %etach "rom non-GP&S ser;ices is per"orme% /y the G00>
controlle% /y a timer an% retransmission counter
3iscussion: Siemens a%%e% that i" separate% !CP is per"orme% then .e nee% more
channels, Siemens also a%%e% that chan$es in =,),),9,) 4 2=,28 is re@uire% to state
man%atory re@uirements, Some a$ree% that it is not only an implementation pro/lem
.hich .ill cause inconsistency,
Bricsson is happy .ith the technical content /ut the cate$ory is a @uestion
Conclusion : C& is a$ree% "or all releases> 67 is missin$ in the N)-111=)
T0#* N1-9992? % 97, T0#* N1-9992> %9:, T0#* N1-99927 % 99 Dea*ti-ate !!
PDP *#nte=t re<ue+t me++age % Siemen+
(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 2=,2849=,228 "or %i""erent releases,
(he AA %eacti;ation cause is a type ) 7B, Because o" this a spare hal" octet 7B is missin$
in the 3eacti;ate AA P3P conte#t re@uest messa$e
3iscussion: cate$ory C3 is a$ree%
Conclusion: all three are a$ree%, N)-111=+ 67 is missin$
T0#* N1-9992: % 97, T0#* N1-99929 %9:, T0#* N1-999?5 % 99 C#0ing S*heme in
Net6#rk Name (/ % Siemen+
(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 2=,2849=,228 "or %i""erent releases,
As there are se;eral S0S cell /roa%cast co%in$ schemes %e"ine% in 23,38> this %e"inition
is am/i$uous, (his C& proposes a %e"ault alpha/et "or CBS,
Speci"y usin$ GS0 alpha/et "or S0S
3iscussion: 67 is not correct it is not GP&S> it is a S0S pro/lem
Conclusion: all are postpone%> an% please check .hich releases are a""ecte%,
re;ise% %ocuments are N)-11A<)> N)-11A<9> N)-11A<3
T0#* N1-99!>1 % 97, T0#* N1-99!>1 % 9:, T0#* N1-99!>3 % 99
3iscussion: &eecte% "or lack o" "ee% /ack "rom the companies a/out their implementations,
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(he principle o" makin$ this clari"ication $aine% the support o" the meetin$ /ut &1< C& shoul%
/e pro;i%e% as .ell,
Nee% more time to check the 0S an% 0SC CS an% PS implementation /e"ore a$reein$ this, 7t
shoul% /e checke% "rom the mo/ile si%e an% net.ork si%e an% "or /oth CS an% P' %omains
Conclusion: all are reecte%,
T0#* N1-99!15 % 97, T0#* N1-99!11 % 9: GMM *#nte=t an0 n#n GPS S(M+ %
!8C!T/8
(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 2=,28 "or %i""erent releases,
7" the S70 is not GP&S ena/le%> .hat happens .ith the G00 conte#t .hich is suppose%
to /e store% in the S70
3iscussion: this re@uirement has alrea%y /een .ritten some.here else- /ut it coul% not
/e spotte% %urin$ the meetin$J
Conclusion: /oth are postpone% to check i" these re@uirements are .ritten some.here,
(hey .ere /oth .ith%ra.n,
T0#*+ N1-99!:?%97, N1-99!:>%9:, an0 N1-99!:7%99 T3111 re+tart a$ter GPS
0eta*h% Siemen+
(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 2=,28 "or %i""erent releases,
Accor%in$ to GS0 21,)8 the K!& restarts the implicit %etach timer upon reception o" the
GP&S-3B(ACH-7N37CA(7'N messa$e,
GS0 21,)8:
;.= ?rocedures in the 3+
Ahen a 3+ receives a /))!?B:*?):4>T!6H:&"4&6!T&C" message% the 3+ shall
send a /))!?B:*?):4>T!6H:!6D message to the sending )*)". The state of the
association for the ,) shall 'e moved from any state to *s:"U++. The 3+ marks the
association as E&,)& detached for *?) services0 with the reason indicated in the &,)&
detach from *?) service type &>.
&f the 3+0s implicit detach timer is not running then% the 3+ shall set and restart the
implicit detach timer upon reception of a /))!?B:*?):4>T!6H:&"4&6!T&C"
message. &f the 3+0s implicit detach timer is running 9ie the state of the association was
already *s:"U++< then% the reception of a /))!?B:*?):4>T!6H:&"4&6!T&C"
message shall not affect the 3+0s implicit detach timer.
As the perio%ic location up%ate timer (39)9 in the 0S must run synchronous .ith
implicit %etach timer> the 0S must restart (39)9 .hen the 70S7 is %etache% "or GP&S
ser;ices an% the 0S .as attache% "or GP&S an% non GP&S in a net.ork operatin$ in
net.ork mo%e 7,
3iscussion: .hat %o you think o" the technical proposal-
Alcatel reecte% an% o""line %iscussion ha% taken place,
Conclusion: (he %ocuments .ere all a$ree%,
T0#* N1-999?1 % 97, T0#* N1-999?1 %9:, T0#* N1-999?3 % 99 C,ari$i*ati#n #n
the beha-i#ur #$ an unu+e0 S!P( % Siemen+
(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 2=,<= "or %i""erent releases,
7t is not clearly state% ho. the /eha;iour o" a SAP7 shoul% /e i" it is not use% or not
supporte%, Bspecially the reaction to U73 re@uest may lea%s to misinterpretations, 7" a
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%ata SAP7 (3> :> 1 an% ))) is not assi$ne% to a P3P conte#t there is no ra%io priority ;alue
a;aila/le on the 0S si%e, (hat is> the 0S %oes not kno. a man%atory parameter to access
the net.ork, 'n the other han% the 0S or the SGSN may %eci%e to use only a limite% set
o" %ata SAP7s /ut the ne$otiation o" the SAP7 use% is %one at P3P conte#t acti;ation
time, So> the 0S or SGSN may try to ne$otiate parameters o" a SAP7 .hich .ill ne;er /e
use% or not supporte%,
(he C& proposes to allo. an U73 e#chan$e only "or supporte% an% use% SAP7s,
3iscussion: Both chan$es are e""ecte% /y 0otorolaNs email comment> chan$es "or
sections => :> 9 are possi/le "or SAP7s %e"ine% "or !3 entity,
Conclusion: all three are re;ise% /y N)-11A=9> N)-11A=3> N)-11A==,
T0#*N1-99!21 % 97, T0#*N1-99!23 % 9:, T0#*N1-99!22 % 99
an% they are all a$ree%
T0#* N1-999?2 % 97, T0#* N1-999?? %9:, T0#* N1-999?> % 99 C,ari$i*ati#n #n
the T88( a++ign, *hange an0 un-a++ign pr#*e0ure % Siemen+
(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 2=,<= "or %i""erent releases,
7t is not clearly state% .hen the !!C (!!7 assi$n proce%ure shall /e use% /y G00,
Bspecially it is not clear .hich /eha;iour can /e e#pecte% /y the 0S an% the SGSN in
certain con%itions /ecause the assi$n proce%ure inclu%es the reset o" !!C state ;aria/les
an% parameter ;alues,
7t is propose% to clari"y that the !!C (!!7 assi$n proce%ure shoul% /e use% i" the 0S
respecti;ely the SGSN lea;es the G00-3B&BG7S(B&B3 state, (hat is> the 0S
initiates an attach .ith an initialise% !!C,
A%%itional> there is an contra%iction /et.een the %escription o" the proce%ure in V+,9,),)
an% V8,3, (he "irst one re@uires a reset o" !!C at the (!!7 unassi$nment .hereas the last
one re@uires the same at (!!7 assi$nment,
3iscussion: 7t .as su$$este% to make the chan$es in 2=,28> .here here is not the place to
sol;e this issue> e;en thou$h 2=,28 %oes not %eal .ith the primiti;es /ut it %eals .ith
(!!7 assi$nment an% unassi$nment,
A /etter "ormulation o""line is su$$este% an% chan$es to /e applie% to 2=,28 instea% o"
2=,<=,
Conclusion: all are re;ise% N)-111:= to N)-11A1:> N)-111:: to N)-11A1< an% N)-
111:< to N)-11A1+ .hich are assi$ne% the cate$ory C),
N1-99!9? an% N1-99!97 are a$ree% an% N1-99!9> is re;ise% to N1-9995? .hich is
a$ree% too,
T0#* N1-999>2 % 97, T0#* N1-999>? %9:, T0#* N1-999>> %99 8#+t H(D
re+p#n+e % M#t#r#,a Arne presente% the %ocument on /ehal" o" Hans Petter
(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 2=,<= "or %i""erent releases,
7" the respon%er respon%s .ith U73 parameters that .ere not e#plicitly inclu%e% in the
U73 comman%> an% i" the U73 response is lost> then .hat happens a"ter the ori$inator
retransmits the same U73 comman%> still .ithout these parameters- (here is no
re@uirement that the respon%er shall inclu%e the same parameters in the ne. response>
an% the t.o peers may there"ore %isa$ree on the ;alue o" these parameters (he solution
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propose% in this C& is to re@uire that the respon%er shall inclu%e the parameters in e;ery
response until the parameters ha;e /een e#plicitly ne$otiate%
3iscussion : 7t .as %eclare% that i" enormous %ata is trans"erre% then it is necessary .hile
it is not lo$ical to trans"er the corruption to the application, Cate$orise% as C),
First pa$e o" N)-111<< nee%s e%itin$4&11JJ
Conclusion: all are a$ree%,
T0#* N1-999:2 % 97, T0#* N1-999:? % 9:, T0#* N1-999:> 3%99 .!++ignment #$
mu,tip,e T88( -a,ue % Mat+u+hita C#mmuni*ati#n (n0u+tria, 'F &Pana+#ni*)
(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 2=,<= "or %i""erent releases,
(he operation o" the !!B .hen it makes the assumption that multiple (!!7 ;alues ha;e
/een assi$ne% in GS0 2= <=> sections in 8,8,= an% 8,8,: is unclear,
7n section 8,8,: it states that .hen the !!B %etects a con%ition .here it assumes multiple
assi$nment o" a (!!7 ;alue it shoul% initiate reco;ery,
(he reco;ery proce%ure is not %e"ine% in GS0 2=,<=, ((he %etection o" multiple-(!!7
assi$nment an% the han%lin$ o" unsolicite% response "rames is also co;ere% in the ta/le 8
in section 8,8,=,)
(he only reco;ery "rom this situation is "or a ne. (!!7 to /e assi$ne% in the 0S, (his is
somethin$ that must /e %one /y G00> since this has sole responsi/ility "or allocatin$
(!!7s,
(his C& proposes to clari"y sections 8,8,= an% remo;e 8,8,:
3iscussion : Cate$ory C=
Conclusion: &1+ an% &18 are a$ree%> N)-1118< is re;ise% to N)-11A=1 to ali$n .ith the
correct C& num/er o" &11
Note: 2=,<= K8,2,2 is &11> so necessary corrections shoul% /e %one, N1-99!29 is a$ree%
T0#* N1-999:7% 97, T0#* N1-999::% 9:, T0#* N1-999:9% 99 "ai,ure #$ 8a;er-3
H(D neg#tiati#n in !DM m#0e % Mat+u+hita C#mmuni*ati#n (n0u+tria, 'F
&Pana+#ni*)
(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 2=,<= "or %i""erent releases,
7" layer-3 U73 ne$otiation "ails .hile in A30 mo%e> no "ailure in%ication is sent to layer-
3 upon sen%in$ o" the U73 "rame N922 times,
(his causes a pro/lem /ecause V <,8 2=,<: states that the SN3CP shall suspen% the
trans"er o" SN-3A(A an% SN-CN7(3A(A primiti;es to the !!C SAP to .hich the
!!5U73, re@uest is sent, No %ata trans"er is possi/le on that !!C SAP7 until the U73
ne$otiation has complete% /y either a success or "ailure in%ication "rom !!C or collision
resolution /y SN3CP,
(his C& proposes to intro%uce a ne. messa$e primiti;e !!-S(A(CS to in%icate to
!ayer-3 .hen an !!C error that cannot /e correcte% /y the !!C layer has occurre%,
(his ne. primiti;e .oul% /e use% to in%icate to !ayer-3 that an U73 ne$otiation has
"aile% .hen the !!B is in A30 state,
3iscussion: SN3CP .ill stop trans"errin$ the %ata i" not %one accor%in$ to this %ocument
A pre;ious mail .ith a comment "rom Bosch is accepte%, 7t is %eci%e% to continue the
%iscussion "or SN3CP %urin$ a co""ee time,
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-W N)-11A:2
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T0#* N1-99921 % 97, T0#* N1-99923 %9:, T0#* N1-99922 % 99 C#,,i+i#n
han0,ing % Siemen+
(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 2=,<:49=,2<: "or %i""erent releases,
(he current %e"inition "or the collision resolution is totally symmetric,
As the ori$inator o" a U73,re@ has to "or$et the o.n re@uest an% procee% the recei;e%
re@uest> t.o parallel U73 ne$otiation are in pro$ress,
(his C& proposes> that the comman% "rom the 0S takes prece%ence i" the colli%in$
comman%s are the same,
MS SGSN
SNDCP LLC LLC SNDCP
| | | |
| | | LL-XIDreq |
| LL-XIDreq | |<----------|
|--- -|<---------| |
| \ / | | |
| \ / | | |
| \ / | | |
| / | | |
| / \ | | |
LL-XIDind\ | | |
1.|<--- ->|--------->| |
| | | LL-XIDind |
| | |---------->|2.
| | | |
| | | LL-XIDrsp |
| | |<----------|
| |XID response |
| |<---------| |
| LL-XIDcnf | | |
|<----------| | |
), 0S %etects collision HW 0S i$nores !!-U73in% "rom the net.ork si%e
9, Net.ork %etects collision HW net.ork a/orts its proce%ure an% ans.ers to the 0S
re@uest
3iscussion: (o pre;ent collision> a %e"inition o" a master shoul% /e a$ree%, 'ther.ise
/oth entities .ill /e .aitin$ "or a response at the same time, (he chairman aske% i" the
proce%ure is super;ise% /y a timer an% the ans.er .as yes> .here the chairman aske% the
author to in;esti$ate this pro/a/ility .hich coul% /e a hope to sol;e the pro/lem, (he
su$$estion to set the timer ;alue o" one o" the entities to /e lon$er,
Conclusion: all %ocuments are postpone% to an Bmail %iscussion "or one .eek All three
.ere reecte%,
T0#* N1-999>5 &+ame a+ T0#* N1-99919) % 97, T0#* N1-999>1 %9: H(D
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(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 2=,<: "or %i""erent releases,
6hen a P3P conte#t no lon$er uses a compression entity> %ue to either a P3P conte#t
%eacti;ation or a P3P conte#t mo%i"ication> it is currently not speci"ie% in GS0 2=,<:
.hether or not an SN3CP U73 ne$otiation nee%s to /e %one to %iscontinue the use o" the
compression entity /y the P3P conte#t> an% possi/ly to %elete the compression entity
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alto$ether i" it is not use% /y any other P3P conte#ts (/oth o" these are %one /y settin$ to
2 the /it correspon%in$ to the NSAP7 %eacti;ate% in the Applica/le NSAP7s "iel% o" the
compression "iel%),
7t is possi/le that the chan$e in the Applica/le NSAP7s "iel% /e %one either e#plicitly
(throu$h an SN3CP U73 ne$otiation) or implicitly (upon receipt o" an SNS0-
3BAC(7KA(B,in%ication> SNS0-0'37FX,in%ication> !!-&B!BASB,in%ication an%4or
!!-&B!BASB,con"irm),
(here are "our scenarios to consi%er:
), NSAP7 uses ackno.le%$e% mo%e> more NSAP7s usin$ the same compression entityA
9, NSAP7 uses unackno.le%$e% mo%e> more NSAP7s usin$ the same compression
entityA
3, NSAP7 uses ackno.le%$e% mo%e> no more NSAP7s usin$ the same compression
entityA
=, NSAP7 uses unackno.le%$e% mo%e> no more NSAP7s usin$ the same compression
entit
7mplicitly chan$in$ the Applica/le NSAP7s upon an S0 e;ent has the %isa%;anta$e that
it is an out-o"-/an% mechanism, (here is no proper mechanism "or han%lin$ collision o"
such an out-o"-/an% proce%ure .ith an in-/an% proce%ure (i,e,> a proper SN3CP U73
ne$otiation), For e#ample> the 0S may initiate an SN3CP U73 ne$otiation /e"ore an
SNS0-3BAC(7KA(B,in%ication is recei;e% "or NSAP7 +> .hile the SGSN may recei;e
the !!-U73,in%ication a"ter the SNS0-3BAC(7KA(B,in%ication "or NSAP7 + is
recei;e%, (he 0S an% the SGSN hence %isa$ree on the current ;alue o" the Applica/le
NSAP7s "iel% ("or scenarios ) an% 9)> or .orse still> %isa$ree on the e#istence o" the
compression entity itsel" ("or scenarios 3 an% =), (his can lea% to e#ception situations that
cannot /e han%le% /y the protocol,
(he SN3CP U73 ne$otiation shall /e initiate% /y the 0S "or a P3P conte#t %eacti;ation
(0S-initiate% or net.ork-initiate%)> an% /y the SGSN "or a P3P conte#t mo%i"ication,
(his ali$ns .ith the re@uirements "or ne$otiatin$ ne. compression entities or a%%in$
NSAP7s to e#istin$ compression entities,
3iscussion: (he %iscussion startin$ /y the @uestion> .hat happens i" .e %o not
implement this C&> .here the ans.er .ere> that the list are linke% an% it e""ects the
contents in use,
A @uestion .as raise% that .hy the e#plicit metho% is /etter than the implicit one .here
the P3P conte#t are release% locally> the ans.er .as that the e""ect is on the messa$es on
the ra%io inter"ace> /ut there .as no kno.n re"erence to spot this ans.er, Some concerns
in patchin$ one pro/lem intro%ucin$ another one,> 7t .as also a a$ree% that re@uirements
on 0S to carry more compression entities usin$ &A0 an% it is use"ul to remo;e unuse%
entities in the 0S, Bricsson $a;e an e#ample ho. the si$nallin$ metho% an% its reaction
%i""ers i" .e ha;e an easy or complicate% cases (a mo/ile usin$ one P3P conte#t a$ainst
mo/iles usin$ multiple P3P conte#ts)
(his proposal a%%s si$nallin$ loa% to co;er a complicate% case, For the simple case o"
sin$le P3P conte#t the implicit mechanism .oul% /e more e""icient,
Conclusion: there .as reser;ation to a$ree them in%icatin$ to the alternati;e proposal in
N)-11A:= /ut a"ter o""-line %iscussions the %ele$ates realise% that it is essential "or them
to ha;e it, So> it is a$ree%, C) cate$ory .as assi$ne% to it,
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T0#* N1-999>1 % 97, T0#* N1-999>3 %9: H(D *#,,i+i#n *#rre*ti#n+ % M#t#r#,a
(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 2=,<: "or %i""erent releases,
(he appro;e% GS0 2=,<= C& A2:1r9 corrects a pro/lem .ith !!C U73 ne$otiation
.hen the U73 response is lost an% a collision happens /e"ore the loss o" the response is
%etecte%, A mismatch in the percei;e% ne$otiate% ;alue in the 0S an% the SGSN coul%>
.ithout C& A2:1> result "rom such a collision, (he solution outline% in C& A2:1 is to i)
re@uire the !!B that respon%s .ith an U73 parameter that .as not inclu%e% in an U73 or
SAB0 comman% to e#plicitly inclu%e this parameter ne#t time the same !!B issues a
SAB0 or U73 comman%> an% ii) re@uire the ori$inator to re-initiate the U73 ne$otiation
a"ter the collision resolution i" the ne$otiate% ;alues o" the parameters it .ante% to
ne$otiate% are not kno.n a"ter the collision resolution,
(he same pro/lem can occur in SN3CP U73 ne$otiation, (he appro;e% GS0 2=,<: C&
A231r) %eals .ith this pro/lem,
7n a%%ition> there are t.o a%%itional pro/lems that cannot /e resol;e% e;en .ith C&
A231r):
7"> "or e#ample> the U73 response "rame sent /y the 0S is lost> an% the 0S initiates
another SN3CP U73 ne$otiation imme%iately "ollo.in$ that> the SGSN .ill not /e a/le
to %eco%e the implicitly-num/ere% list o" compression entities relia/ly since it %oes not
kno. .hether a compression entity has /een a%%e% or %elete% as a result o" the pre;ious
U73 ne$otiation,
7n the situation in ),> the SGSN also .ill not /e a/le to assi$n PC'0P or 3C'0P ;alues
.ith con"i%ence to the ne. compression al$orithms ne$otiate% in the secon% ne$otiation>
since it %oes not kno. .hether PC'0P or 3C'0P ;alues nee% to /e assi$ne% as a result
o" the "irst U73 ne$otiation,
(his C& proposes the "ollo.in$ chan$es to completely resol;e the pro/lems:
), Compression entities shall not /e implicitly num/ere%> /ut /e e#plicitly num/ere% in
U73 ne$otiations, Num/ers are assi$ne% /y the SN3CP entity (on the 0S or the
SGSN si%e) .ho proposes the a%%ition o" the compression entity, (he compression
entity num/er is an inte$er /et.een 2 an% 3), (he compression entity num/er is
assi$ne% in%epen%ently "or %i""erent SAP7s o" an 0S,
9, PC'0P an% 3C'0P ;alues to /e use% shall /e speci"ie% .hen a compression entity
is /ein$ propose%, 7n case ne. PC'0P or 3C'0P ;alues nee% to /e assi$ne%> they
shall /e assi$ne% /e"ore the compression entity is propose%, PC'0P an% 3C'0P
;alues shall not /e inclu%e% in the compression "iel% e#cept .hen a compression
entity is /ein$ propose%,
3, Similarly> the al$orithm type also shall not /e inclu%e% in the compression "iel%
e#cept .hen a compression entity is /ein$ propose%, (his is "or sa;in$ /an%.i%th,
=, (he assi$nment o" PC'0P an% 3C'0P shall /e ma%e in%epen%ently on %i""erent
SAP7s> i,e,> the same PC'0P can re"er to %i""erent compresse% "rame types on
%i""erent SAP7s, 'ther.ise> it is possi/le that the same PC'0P or 3C'0P .ill /e
simultaneously assi$ne% /y the 0S an% the SGSN "or t.o %i""erent "rame types .hen
t.o %i""erent compression entities are /ein$ propose% on %i""erent SAP7s> one /y the
0S an% the other /y the SGSN> an% the con"lict in the assi$nment .ill not /e
%etecte%,
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:, (he re"erence to an Qor%ere% listR o" compression entities is remo;e% since e#plicit
num/erin$ is no. use%,
7n a%%ition> the han%lin$ o" the U /it in compression "iel%s an% SN-P3Cs is clari"ie%, 7n a
recei;e% compression "iel%> i" the U /it is not 2> the U /it itsel" (not the .hole
compression "iel%) shall /e i$nore%,
7t is also clari"ie% that SN3CP U73 parameters may /e inclu%e% in any or%er in the
SN3CP U73 /lock,
3iscussion: same treatment as /e"ore relate% to a/o;eA this proposal a%%s si$nallin$ loa%
to co;er a complicate% case, For the simple case o" sin$le P3P conte#t the implicit
mechanism .oul% /e more e""icient,
Conclusion: all are postpone% then reecte%, See alternati;e proposal in N)-11A:=,
T0#* N1-999:1 % 97, T0#* N1-999:3 % 9: 7an0,ing #$ *#mpre++i#n entitie+ in *a+e
#$ a 88 e+et (n0i*ati#n %Mat+u+hita C#mmuni*ati#n (n0u+tria, 'F &Pana+#ni*)
(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 2=,<: "or %i""erent releases,
7n the current ;ersion> there is no in%ication o" .hat .ill happen to the compression
entities in the or%ere% lists in case o" a !! &eset 7n%ication,
(his C& proposes that compression entities are to /e remo;e% "rom the or%ere% lists
.hen a !! &eset 7n%ication is recei;e%
3iscussion: Same as a/o;e,
Conclusion: all are postpone% then reecte%, See alternati;e proposal in N)-11A:=,
T0#* N1-99!91 Di+*u++i#n paper #n the 0e,eti#n #$ *#mpre++i#n entitie+ in 523>? %
Mat+u+hita C#mmuni*ati#n (n0u+tria, 'F &Pana+#ni*)
(his paper summarises the a/o;e C&s in (N)-111<2> N)-111<)> N)-111<9> N)-111<3>
N)-11189> N)-11183> N)-11A:=> an% N)-11A::)
Comparison o" C& A2:+ ((%oc N)-11A:=) an% C& A2=9 ((%oc N)-111<2) on 2=,<:,
(hese C&s pro;i%es alternati;e solutions to the i%enti"ie% pro/lem %escri/e% /elo.:
6hen a P3P conte#t no lon$er uses a compression entity> %ue to either a P3P conte#t
%eacti;ation or a P3P conte#t mo%i"ication> it is currently not speci"ie% in GS0 2=,<:
.hether or not an SN3CP U73 ne$otiation nee%s to /e %one to %iscontinue the use o" the
compression entity /y the P3P conte#t> an% possi/ly to %elete the compression entity
alto$ether i" it is not use% /y any other P3P conte#ts,
Brror cases are also %escri/e% in the %ocument,
3iscussion: the e#plicit solution .as pre"erre% /y some %ele$ate%,
Conclusion: All relate% %ocuments are reecte% N)-111<2> N)-111<)> N)-111<9> N)-
111<3> N)-11189> N)-11183> N)-11A:= an% N)-11A::,
T0#* N1-99!91 is note%
T0#* N1-99995% 97, T0#* N1-99991%9: "ai,ure #$ 8a;er-3 H(D neg#tiati#n%
Mat+u+hita C#mmuni*ati#n (n0u+tria, 'F &Pana+#ni*)
7" layer-3 U73 ne$otiation "ails .hile in !!C is in A30 mo%e> no "ailure in%ication is
sent /ack to layer-3 upon !!C sen%in$ the U73 "rame N922 times,
(his causes a pro/lem /ecause V <,8 states that the SN3CP shall suspen% the trans"er o"
SN-3A(A an% SN-CN7(3A(A primiti;es to the !!C SAP to .hich the !!5U73,re@uest
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is sent, No %ata trans"er is possi/le on that !!C SAP7 until the U73 ne$otiation has
complete% /y either a success or "ailure in%ication "rom !!C or collision resolution /y
SN3CP,
C& A)21 on 2=,<= propose% to intro%uce a ne. messa$e primiti;e !!-S(A(CS-7N3 to
in%icate to !ayer-3 .hen an !!C error that cannot /e correcte% /y the !!C layer has
occurre%, (his C& proposes ho. SN3CP shoul% %eal .ith the ne. primiti;e
3iscussion:Bosch askin$ "or secon% cause co%e primiti;es
(he in%ication o" the SN layer to tear %o.n the connection an% startin$ it a$ain .as
%ecleare% /y the ori$inator, An i%ea to allo. automatic reconnection or allo. the user
timer to time out says .oul% /e a /etter solution, (he actual re@uire% action is the
responsi/ility to re-esta/lish the connection , (here shoul% /e re@uirements in 2=,28,
Someone @uestione% .hether is it possi/le to restart the U73 ne$otiation instea% o"
tearin$ the connection> the ans.er .as: it .oul% /e useless /ecause o" no response .ill
/e recei;e% sai% the ori$inator,
Conclusion: &e;ise% to N)-11A=+> an% N)-11A=8 respecti;ely (.hich .ere a$ree%
later)
&11 nee% a C& or not- nee% to /e checke% an% the results .ere: Xes> &11 is nee%e%> an%
that appears in A:< .hich .as a$ree%,
T0#* N1-9997>% 97, an0 T0#* N1-9999?% 9: I321 bi+ *#mpre++i#n% /ri*++#n
(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 2=,<: "or %i""erent releases,
'peration o" the K,=9/is %ata compression as %escri/e% in GS0 2= <: in section <,<,9,3
coul% /e clearer, 7n summary> the /eha;ior is as "ollo.s:
SN-3A(A compression:
)) Compress N-P3C usin$ C53A(A
9) A%% remain%er o" N-P3C usin$ C5F!CSH
3) Sen% compresse% N-P3C
SN-3A(A %ecompression
)) 3ecompress N-P3C usin$ C5(&ANSFB&
9) Sen% uncompresse% N-P3C to SN3CP user
SN-CN7(3A(A compression
)) &eset compressor usin$ C57N7(
9) Compress N-P3C usin$ C53A(A
3) A%% remain%er o" N-P3C usin$ C5F!CSH
=) Sen% compresse% N-P3C
SN-CN7(3A(A %ecompression
)) &eset compressor usin$ C57N7(
9) 3ecompress N-P3C usin$ C5(&ANSFB&
3) Sen% uncompresse% N-P3C to SN3CP user
3iscussion: (his C& proposes to clari"y section <,<,9,3, Cate$ory C= 0otorola has some
comments /y email an% .as a$ree% o""line,
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&11 .ill "ollo. in this meetin$ .hich is N1-99!?7 .hich is a$ree%
T0#*+ N1-99!79%97 , N1-99!:5%9:, an0 N1-99!:1%99 /=p,i*it (MS( 0eta*h,
abn#rma, *a+e SGSN +i0e% Siemen+
(hese %ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 21,)8 an% 91,2)8 "or %i""erent releases,
(hey are relate% to N)-11A)1
(he current speci"ication %e"ines> that i" in the case 0S re@uests a %etach "or non-GP&S
ser;ice an% the K!& %i% not response to the %etach re@uest Q the )*)" shall send a
detach message to the mo'ile indicating that the 3+ has not responded to the 4etach
indication. The mo'ile may% after a determined period of time% try again the detach
indication to the 3+.R
Accor%in$ the %e"inition o" the 0S initiate% %etach $i;en in GS0 2=,28 the 0S .ill
locally %etach i" it %i% not $et a con"irm "rom the net.ork, Because o" this the a/o;e
mentione% %e"inition in 21,)8 "or the SGSN /eha;iour seems to /e super"luous an% this
C& proposes to replace it /y the %e"inition> that the SGSN shall simply sen% the %etach
con"irm to the 0S /y itEs o.n,
--- .hat happens i" the K!& sen%s a"ter.ar%s a pa$in$ re@uest to the SGSN- 6ill the
SGSN the in%icate to the K!& that the 0S is %etache%- HW:,3 the SGSN response .ith a
PAG7NG &BMBC(
Conclusion: all three .ere a$ree%,T0#*+ N1-99!:1% 97, N1-99!:3%9:, an0 N1-
99:2%99 SGSN rea*ti#n up#n a !' re<ue+t a$ter I8 $ai,ure% Siemen+(hese
%ocuments contains the same C& a$ainst 2=,<: an% 9=,2<: "or %i""erent releases, 7n the
current speci"ication it is %e"ine%> that i" the K!&-&elia/le ;aria/le is set to S"alseE(i,e, the
K!& has in%icate% a K!& "ailure) upon reception o" a &AC "rom the 0S the SGSN shall
re@uest the 0S to reattach to non-GP&S ser;ices, (his seems to su$$est that the SGSN
shoul% per"orm a G00 speci"ic proce%ure a"ter the completion o" the &AC proce%ure,
As in the case o" a K!& "ailure> the G00400 conte#t %ata is still a;aila/le in the
SGSN> /ut only the K!& has lost the association to the SGSN> it shoul% /e su""icient that
the SGSN per"orms a location up%ate to.ar%s the K!& in the case the 0S re@uest a
com/ine% &AC irrespecti;ely .hether the 0S has chan$e% the !A or only the &A .ithin
the !A> an% in the case the 0S per"orms a perio%ic &ACConclusion: N)-11A89 .as the
only a;aila/le one an% they are all reecte%
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m#0i$i*ati#n%Mat+u+hita, M#t#r#,a
(his %ocument contains the same C& a$ainst 29=,2<:,
6hen a P3P conte#t no lon$er uses a compression entity> %ue to either a P3P conte#t
%eacti;ation or a P3P conte#t mo%i"ication> it is currently not speci"ie% in GS0 2=,<:
.hether or not an SN3CP U73 ne$otiation nee%s to /e %one to %iscontinue the use o" the
compression entity /y the P3P conte#t> an% possi/ly to %elete the compression entity
alto$ether i" it is not use% /y any other P3P conte#ts (/oth o" these are %one /y settin$ to
2 the /it correspon%in$ to the NSAP7 %eacti;ate% in the Applica/le NSAP7s "iel% o" the
compression "iel%),
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7t is possi/le that the chan$e in the Applica/le NSAP7s "iel% /e %one either e#plicitly
(throu$h an SN3CP U73 ne$otiation) or implicitly (upon receipt o" an SNS0-
3BAC(7KA(B,in%ication> SNS0-0'37FX,in%ication> !!-&B!BASB,in%ication an%4or
!!-&B!BASB,con"irm),
(here are "our scenarios to consi%er:
), NSAP7 uses ackno.le%$e% mo%e> more NSAP7s usin$ the same compression entityA
9, NSAP7 uses unackno.le%$e% mo%e> more NSAP7s usin$ the same compression
entityA
3, NSAP7 uses ackno.le%$e% mo%e> no more NSAP7s usin$ the same compression
entityA
=, NSAP7 uses unackno.le%$e% mo%e> no more NSAP7s usin$ the same compression
entity,
7mplicitly chan$in$ the Applica/le NSAP7s upon an S0 e;ent has the %isa%;anta$e that
it is an out-o"-/an% mechanism, (here is no proper mechanism "or han%lin$ collision o"
such an out-o"-/an% proce%ure .ith an in-/an% proce%ure (i,e,> a proper SN3CP U73
ne$otiation), For e#ample> the 0S may initiate an SN3CP U73 ne$otiation /e"ore an
SNS0-3BAC(7KA(B,in%ication is recei;e% "or NSAP7 +> .hile the SGSN may recei;e
the !!-U73,in%ication a"ter the SNS0-3BAC(7KA(B,in%ication "or NSAP7 + is
recei;e%, (he 0S an% the SGSN hence %isa$ree on the current ;alue o" the Applica/le
NSAP7s "iel% ("or scenarios ) an% 9)> or .orse still> %isa$ree on the e#istence o" the
compression entity itsel" ("or scenarios 3 an% =), (his can lea% to e#ception situations that
cannot /e han%le% /y the protocol,
(he SN3CP U73 ne$otiation shall /e initiate% /y the 0S "or a P3P conte#t %eacti;ation
(0S-initiate% or net.ork-initiate%)> an% /y the SGSN "or a P3P conte#t mo%i"ication,
(his ali$ns .ith the re@uirements "or ne$otiatin$ ne. compression entities or a%%in$
NSAP7s to e#istin$ compression entities,
Conclusion: (he C& is relate% to N)-11A:= an% it .as a$ree%,
4.3 Other Pre-99 WIs
T0#* N1-99!?9 !00iti#n #$ $urther 8CS pha+e 1 $un*ti#na,it; in GSM e,ea+e 9:,
an0 T0#* N1-99915 4-er-ie6 #$ 8CS pha+e 1 $#r SMG3 WP! % TSG CN1
September 1! 1999% T1P13?
For the .orkin$ item !ocation Ser;ices (!CS)
A%% re;ise% !CS architecture an% support "or B-'(3 an% GPS positionin$ metho%s,
7t .as presente% "or in"ormation an% re;ie.> N)-11B)2is pro;i%e% "or in"ormation "or
re;ie. A:1
T0#* N1-99!?: is presente% "or in"ormation too,
Conclusion: All are note%
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T0#* N1-99915 TSG CN Spe*i$i*ati#n+ a,,#*ati#n % MCC
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(his %ocument s "rom 0CC to %iscuss an% a$ree the responsi/ility o" %ocuments .ithin
CN $roup, CN) is aske% to a$ree on the speci"ication responsi/ility .ithin the $roup
inclu%in$ S0G346PA an% 3GPP speci"ications,
(his is a%%e% "or in"ormation> /ut it .oul% /e $oo% i" you ha;e time to look at itJJ
T0#* N1-9991: 3GPP Ca,en0ar % MCC
(he meetin$ calen%ar "or the ne#t year is presente% /y the chairman
(SGN) *)2 )),-)=,),9222 (Mapan4NBC)
(SGN) *## 98,9,-9,3,9222
(SGN) *## ):,-)1,:,9222 (C,S,4()P))
(SGN) *## )),-):,1,9222 (C,S, 4 ()P))
(SGN) *## 9+,)) L ),)9,9222 (Siemens4 Germany)
3iscussion: Because o" hu$e amount o" .ork in 0CC> then .e coul% not ha;e the
meetin$s .ithin the plenary %ates (not /e"ore %urin$ or a"ter the plenary), Also it shoul%
not /e colli%in$ .ith other $roups at the same time
(he intention is to re%uce% the num/er o" sche%ule% meetin$s an% allo. a%-hoc meetin$s
on short notice an% i" necessary, (he meetin$s that ha;e /een set no. are the minimum
.e must ha;e, 7" any more meetin$s are necessary then proposals are .elcome
Any proposals- aske% the chairman> no comments at the moment
7n%ication that there are = ;oluntary hosts "or the ne#t meetin$ NBC4 Mapan in Manuary>
en% o" )3,No;em/er-3,3ecem/er is in Germany4 Siemens, ()P) .ill in;ite CN) to the
CSA "or the 0arch an% Septem/er meetin$s,
6hat a/out the ne#t meetin$s-
Please $et the complete sche%ule "rom makuhari1121,rt", (here is also a mention o" the
C,S meetin$s "or the ne#t year,
!etNs thank the ;olunteer hosts o" our "uture meetin$s an% encoura$e also ne. in;itations,
> 99 Stage 3
.1 "#$tica$$
Some points still to /e clari"ie% an% PS si%e mostly not co;ere% yet /ut su""icient .orkin$
assumptions to present the "irst C&s, Nothin$ appro;e% yet,
Sta$e 9 to /e stu%ie%-
T0#* N1-99975 (n$#rmati#n in 7an0#-er e<ue+t $#r Mu,ti*a,, % /ri*++#n
3ocument "or %iscussion,
(he 3G-0SC shall sen% a Han%o;er &e@uest to the (ar$et &NC .ith in"ormation a/out
all the &a%io Access Bearers "ormin$ multicall as .ell as any other %ata associate% .ith
the &a%io Access Bearers ("or e#ample Priority 3ata),
Proposal:
• Accept the a/o;e statement as a .orkin$ assumption
• 7nclu%e the a/o;e statement in the %ocument containin$ a$ree% .orkin$ assumptions
(N)-11+3)),
3iscussion: (he H' is meant to C0(S-C0(S intra 0SC HA&3 H',
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 7t is a ;ery $eneral statement "or a special case> are any other cases .here this coul%
/e appropriate- 7" the $oal to tack any special case then .e nee% to %e"ine it, 6hy
%oes the &NC /e a.are o" the call-
 Basic @uestion> .hat is N)Ns in;ol;ement in this case-> it is a &AN3 area> so .hat is
meant .ith to %eli;er non access in"ormation messa$e, Actually tar$et &NC has to /e
a.are o" the /earer, 0SC shoul% not /e a.are o" the contents /ut they only trans"er
the contents,
 (he real @uestion is .hat is the e#act roll o" the 0SC in this case,
 6e nee% some more %etails to start chan$in$ the technical report,
 0SC has to release the call i" the tar$et 0SC $et the ans.er that the tar$et &NC can
not setup the callNs ToS an% BC %ata,
 7t is an 0SC re@uirement to intro%uce a multicall-,
 7n case o" "ailure .e shoul% ha;e the mechanism to release them> e#, No ToS
No real o/ection a$ainst the $eneral i%ea /ut %etails are missin$,
Conclusion: Note% an% e#pectin$ more in"ormation on this su/ect,
T0#* N1-99!11% 99 !00iti#n #$ the Stream (0enti$ier (n$#rmati#n /,ement% NTT
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7n the &11 core net.ork shall allo. a 0( to han%le more than one /earer ser;ice
simultaneously, For this case> it is necessary to i%enti"y each /earer in or%er to control the
complete call, (he name "or this element coul% /e Stream 7%enti"ier> a//re;iate% as S7>
.hich is use% to ha;e a parallel .ith the (ransaction 7%enti"ier ((7)
3iscussion:
(he %iscussion starte% .ith $eneral comments .ere
 .hether to put chan$es to the e#istin$ GS0 !3-
 .hat a/out H'> is possi/le /et.een C0(S an% GS0-
 there"ore> .here to %escri/e it-
(he chairman ans.ere% that no con"lict in this are /ecause there is ust one common CN
protocol speci"ication, But .e must "in% a .ay to in%icate .hich parts o" the common
speci"ication are applica/le to &11 GS0 only> &11 C0(S only or /oth, Similar approach
as is no. taken .ith optional "eatures coul% /e the .ay "or.ar%, 00 is %i""erent as the
re@uirements "or 9G an% 3G packet 00 %i""er so much, For CN protocols> the chairman
a%%e%> there shoul% /e one protocol> i" possi/le> an% .e shoul% only allo. GS0 an%
C0(S counterparts o" the same protocol to split to %i""erent speci"ication i" it is not
"easi/le at all to keep them to$ether, '/;iously this only applies to the CN protocols
.hich are a special case /ecause they are> unlike the &AN> common to GS0 an% C0(S
7n principle all ne. CN ser;ices shoul% /e common to GS0 an% C0(Sust like multislot
.hich .e coul% %e"ine one slot "or %ata an% another "or speech in GS0, So e;en
multicall coul% apply to GS0 as .ell, (he %i;ersi"ication shoul% /e allo.e% only i" it is
not technically possi/le to keep them to$ether,
(he chairman also a%%e% that .e ha;e $ot tra%ition o" linkin$ %i""erent "eatures in
%i""erent le;els .hich support Class mark in %i""erent con%ition> e#, "or Supplementary
Ser;ices apply this C& to GS0 too
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Some su$$estions .ere ma%e:
 7ntro%ucin$ !S to S0G9 to achie;e the same ser;ice in GS0 as .ell as usin$ the
multislot,
 A clear in%ication in the speci"ications 2=,28 on .hich ser;ice "or .hich
system( C0(S> GS0) is use% ,
 A su$$estion is to i%enti"y optional parameters in the CN spec 2=,28 an% let the 0S to
implement the options "or CN an% 0S
A rumour that Northtel starte% to %e"ine multi/earer on %i""erent timeslotJ
7mportant issues "or contri/utin$ the Chan$e &e@uest:-
- 7t must /e possi/le to implement only GS0 or C0(S mo/iles or multimo%e> an% ,
- Ho. to in%icate .hich "eatures are supporte% i" .e implement C(&AN only 0o/iles or
the multimo%e mo/iles usin$ /oth net.orks-- (his issue is necessary "or &11> i" you %o
not implement it then .e shoul% reect itJ
- 7t shoul% /e %escri/e% clearly the /eha;iour o" the net.orks supportin$ or not
supportin$ multicall an% ho. they react on the re@uests> also %e"ine the con%itions,
- 'ther cases shoul% also /e consi%ere%, 7n case the net.ork is not a/le to accept the call
"or some reasons> like it has con$estion or not enou$h resources> ,,etc,
A rapperteur "or 2=,28 is re@uire% to take care o" this su/ect> an% N((40r,GoshimiDu
San sho.e% interest so he is a can%i%ate, Not to "or$et that this is a 67 "or &11,
(he %ele$ates also a%%e% that the same kin% o" mo%i"ications shoul% /e %one in the PS
%omain too accor%in$ to this issue .here it is at the moment only consi%ere% only in CS
cases,
7t is also necessary to in"orm S9 to %e"ine it in 93,2<2,
7t .as also mentione% that multiple session an% multiple /earers are %i""erent issues> an%
this .hy Stream 7%enti"ier is intro%uce% in C0(S,
Siemens mentione% that there .as some .ork %one on this issue /e"ore so .hy not to $o
/ack an% see .hat .as %iscusse%,
S7 concept .as a$ree%, Some %iscussions taken place .hether to %e"ine it as optional or
0an%atory parameter, 7t .as su$$este% to %e"ine it as optional element "or .hat
comprehension is re@uire%> or .ith "all/ack to normal GS0 han%lin$ on sin$le /earer
(Call Hol% supplementary ser;ice), 'ther opinion .as to %e"ine it as man%atory .ith
/ack.ar% compati/ility,
Conclusion: (he C& is reecte% an% "or any a%%itional in"ormation please contact 0r,
GoshimiDu San4 N((,
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In the R core networ! shall allow a MT to handle more than one "earer ser#ice simultaneousl$.
%or this case, it is necessar$ to identi&$ each "earer in order to control the complete call. The
name &or this element could "e Stream Identi&ier, a""re#iated as SI, which is used to ha#e a
parallel with the Transaction Identi&ier 'TI(
3iscussion: Pro/lems are i%enti"ie% in sections
:,9,),9> the a%%itional sentence:
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I& the SET)P message is sent to the *G+MS,, the Stream Identi&ier 'SI( in&ormation
element is mandator$. The Stream Identi&ier 'SI( indicates whether a new tra&&ic channel
shall "e assigned &or the mo"ile originating call or not.
(he chairman mentione% that it is al.ays the case or .hat %oes it mean- this is 3G
speci"ication,
7" you /ase this implementation on this chan$es then it chan$es the GS0 speci"ication as
.ell, Because o" C(&AN> the 0S shoul% ha;e the capa/ility "or it, (his shoul% /e the
re@uirement "or 3G mo/ile,
1,3,9,: is also e""ecte%:
(his in"ormation element is man%atory> i" the CA!! C'NF7&0B3 messa$e is
sent to the 3G-0SC, (his in"ormation element is inclu%e% to in%icate .hether a
ne. tra""ic channel shall /e assi$ne% "or the call or not,
(he %iscussion points .ere:
 6hen the 0S allocates ne. S7 "or a ne. call then it is re@uestin$ a ne. channel to /e
assi$ne% to it> so it is $oo% to note that the net.ork shoul% /e a/le to "all /ack to
sin$le channel,
 As (his is not in a Sta$e ) re@uirement an% it not in Sta$e ) %escription so .e .ill
i$nore it,
 'ne opinion .as that a %isconnect .ill /e sent upon the setup i" not possi/le to clear
the secon% call i" CN %oes not support the 0ulticall
 Se;eral alternati;es to make it lon$er an% the 7B7 is e#ten%e% one octet, an% %e"ine%
as (!K,
 6e shoul% inclu%e Stream i%enti"ier to e;ery e""ecte% messa$e,
 A comment on usin$ I0an%atoryI .here it is a reser;e% .or%> so use IShallI instea%,
 7nclu%e S7 to section %e"initions
 A $eneric reect ;alue e#ist "or not supporte% .hich coul% /e use%,
Conclusion: the C& .as reecte%
.2 "#$timedia ca$$
Genera, *#n*,uti#n b; the *hairman.
• CS 0ultime%ia .orkin$ assumption is to /uil% it on top o" a /earer ser;ice
(asynchronous transparent %ata) /ut .ith speci"ie% multime%ia co%ec
(H,39=04H,9=:) %e"ine% "or compati/ility /et.een %i""erent implementations,
• Cpon hearin$ the ne.s that S9 ha;e %eci%e% to use H,393 "or PS ser;ices the oint
meetin$ ma%e .orkin$ assumption that H,39=0 is to /e use% "or CS ;i%eo calls,
• W !S in N3-1199= to S) an% S9 to ack PS 4 H393 an% in%icate CS 4 H,39=0,
• (he proposal o" a ne. %ata rate 39kBit4s .as %iscusse% /ut consensus .as coul% /e
reache% yet,
• 6orkin$ assumptions allo. us to present the C&s in the ne#t meetin$,
(he open issues re$ar%in$ 00 .ill also ha;e an impact on multime%ia, (he 93,))2 to /e
stu%ie% "or the C(&AN ser;ices,
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T0#*+ N1-99971, an0 N1-99971 6ere han0,e0 at the +ame time 6hi,e the; 6ere
0i+*u++e0 in the J#int meeting CN1CCN33
T0#* N1-99971 8#6 rate 3G-7312M % /ri*++#n
(his is a %ocument "or %iscussion,
At the last N) meetin$ a num/er o" multime%ia contri/utions .ere presente%, (.o o"
them L N)-11+=1 an% N)-11+:2 L propose% that lo.er user rate than <= k/it4s to /e
possi/le to use "or the 3G-H,39=0 multime%ia system ser;ice, (hree alternati;es on
support o" a lo.er user rate than <= k/it4s .ere presente%, (he pros an% cons o" these
three alternati;es> an% in a%%ition another "our alternati;es propose% /y this paper are
%iscusse%,
Bricson presente% its analysis o" this issue .here pro/lems are encountere% in the
transient net.orks inter.orkin$ .ith H3=90, Brie"ly> in 7S3N an% PS(N net.orks> the
user rate "or H,39= multime%ia calls is o" "i#e% nature, 7n 7S3N net.orks> H,39= is
pro;i%e% as a /it transparent ser;ice, (he user rate is al.ays either :< k/it4s or <= k/it4s
(or a multiple o" that), &ates lo.er than :< k/it4s are not pro;i%e%, 7n PS(N net.orks>
H,39= is pro;i%e% on top o" K,3= mo%ems> o""erin$ 98,8 k/it4s or 33,< k/it4s, Since there
is no nee% in 7S3N net.ork to use lo.er rates than :< k/it4s or <= k/it4s "or multime%ia>
there are also no means to si$nal user rates "or H,39= (or H,392),
7n a%%ition to the 3 solutions presente% in pre;ious CN) meetin$s> Brricson presente%
another = solutions .ith their pros an% cons, Amon$ the ne. solutions is an en% to en%
solution .here the terminal si$nals rate a%aptation in the BC an% multime%ia in the !!C
Another one is usin$ a mo%em "or transient net.orks .hich re@ires no out-/an%
si$nallin$, Another solution .as to terminate the H,9930 (Anne# A or B) multiple#in$
layer in the 76F (or $ate.ay) an% then use H,993 as transit,
(he proposal presente% /y Brricson is to e;aluate the necessity "or a !o. /it rate
0ultime%ia .hich .ill ha;e poor ;i%eo @uality> an% i" it is to /e supporte% then it shoul%
/e an en% to en% solution , 7t also stresse% that there is no no mature an% simple solution
on ho. to pro;i%e lo. user rate "or multime%ia in the transit an% core net.orks> an%
since there is no o/;ious solution> it is propose% to continue to "in% a solution> /ut the
tar$et release 9222 "or the completion o" this .ork
3iscussion: Please see the report o" the oint meetin$ .here it .as %iscusse%, (CN) F
CN3 Moint meetin$ )=,1,11 in Mapan40akuhari- .ithin CN3 *:),
Conclusion: the %ocument .as note%,
T0#* N1-99971 G!H24M as a bearer ser"i#e % /ri*++#n
(his is a %ocument "or %ecision
7n the appro;e% chan$e re@uest S9-11<2< to (S 93,)9)> the "ollo.in$ statement on CS
multime%ia is state%:
)ervices can 'e delivered at two levels(
• /earer level services are those which correspond to the U,T) 'earer service and are
delivered via the ,)6% H+ and 6)>. >1amples of 'earer level services are pre:paid
or call 'arring 9for the U,T) 'earer service<.
• ,ultimedia level services are delivered via the multimedia gatekeeper 9if present< and
service capa'ility server possi'ly in com'ination with the H+ and 6)>. >1amples
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of multimedia services are video conferencing% call forwarding and pre:paid 9of the
multimedia component<. &f there is no multimedia gatekeeper network level
multimedia services can not 'e provided.
(his contri/ution per"orms an analysis on the e#istin$ speci"ications in 7(C-( an%
B(S743GPP on this topic to %etermine .hether 3G-H,39=0 shall /e %e"ine% as a
teleser;ice or /earer ser;ice,
Analysis /y Brricson> H,39= shoul% /e consi%ere% as a /earer ser;ice /ecause no e#plicit
hi$her layers are si$nalle%, 6here H,39= Anne# 3 ust a%%s H,9934H,9=: as a lo. layer
attri/ute in the Bearer Capa/ility an% in the !o. !ayer Compati/ility in"ormation
elements "or the Setup messa$e in T,13), (he hi$her layers (i,e, ;i%eo> au%io an% %ata) in
the H,39= multime%ia system are the same "or cellular> 7S3N an% PS(N net.orks,
inter.orkin$ is then only nee%e% on a lo.er layer on the layer ) /et.een 7,=22 Brror:
&e"erence source not "oun%> cellular an% K,3= Brror: &e"erence source not "oun% an%
possi/ly on the H,993 multiple#in$ layer i,e, /earer ser;ice layers, A/out A0& either
"i#e% terminals has to support them or G,+93,) shoul% /e supporte% "or 3G-H,39=0 in
the CB as recommen%e% in 9<,))),
• 7nter.orkin$ %i""ers i" H,39=0 .ere %e"ine% as a teleser;ice or Bearer ser;ice>
there"ore the proposal "rom Brricson consi%ers:
• the unclear situation o" ;i%eotelephony teleser;ice "or H,392 in 7(C-(
• the non-e#istin$ %escription o" any teleser;ice /ase% on H,39= in 7S3N
• the inter.orkin$ /et.een .ireless> PS(N an% 7S3N /ase% H,39= on lo. layers
• the .ork nee%e% to %e"ine 3G-H,39= teleser;ice parameters> si$nal them an% map
them to the non-e#istin$ teleser;ice "or H,39= in 7S3N4PS(N
• the risk o" %elayin$ the stan%ar%isation proce%ure "or 3G-H,39=0 multime%ia to
release 9222 i" 3G-H,39=0 is %e"ine% as a teleser;ice
7t is propose% that N) (an% N3) takes a %ecision to %e"ine 3G-H,39=0 as a /earer ser;ice
in 3GPP an% not as a teleser;ice, 7t is also propose% that N) an% N3 in"orm other $roups
e,$, S)> S9 an% N9 a/out the pre"erre% solution,
3iscussion: Please see the report o" the oint meetin$ .here it .as %iscusse%, (CN) F
CN3 Moint meetin$ )=,1,11 in Mapan40akuhary- .ithin CN3 *:),
Conclusion: (he %ocument .as note%
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B""ecte% speci"ications: 9=,228> 9+,22)> 91,22+
(his is a %ocument "or Appro;al,
(his %ocument clari"ies the nee%e% parameters an% co%e points to /e intro%uce% into the
C0(S BC 7B,
(he C0(S ser;ices re@uire a%%itional "iel% an% point co%es co;ere% /y the C0(S BC 7B
as sho.n /elo.:
Ne. circuit s.itche% ser;ices A%%itional 7n"ormation
co;ere% in "iel%
A%%itional
7n"ormation co;ere%
/y co%e point
0ultime%ia call o;er 98,8 k/ps (N3-11):9) FNC& 33,< k/ps
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0ultime%ia call o;er 33,< k/ps ((S 9<,))9) other rate a%aptation H,993 an% H,9=:
0ultime%ia call o;er <= k/ps ((S 9<,))9)
So> Brricson .oul% like to propose the enhancement o" C0(S BC accor%in$ to the a/o;e
ta/le an% clari"ications, (he relate% speci"ications are (S9=,228> (S9+,22) an% (S91,22+,
Necessary chan$es are %eclare% in the %ocument,
,onclusion- Agreed
T0#* N1-99977 Te*hni*a, ep#rt $#r Mu,time0ia % N#kia
(he purpose o" this paper is to initiate a %ocument> 0ultime%ia (echnical &eport > .hich
.ill collect the re@uirements "or multime%ia4;i%eo telephony "or release 11
3iscussion :Some a%%ition re@uirements .ere su$$este%> here are some o" them:
 &e@uirements on 0o/ile to 7S3N is missin$, 7t has %i""erent re@uirement than PS(N,
 (his is to co;er CS 0ultime%ia an% not the H393 packet one, (hen it shoul% /e
clari"ie% that it is a CS 0ultime%ia call an% also state that it is only "or C0(S> an% i"
re@ueste% "or GS0 then .e coul% a%% it too,
 7n case o" H' it .ill "all /ack to speech call
 this is as a proposal an% it is /ase% on the e#istin$ "unctionality> .orkin$ assumptions>
an% H392 e@uipment> an% su$$estin$ it "or H39=,
(he is an i%ea o" collection o" re@uirement "rom N) .hich .as supporte% /y the
chairman> a @uestion raise% .hether there is alrea%y a 0ultime%ia (& in S9-
(he inter.orkin$ /et.een H,3=940 an% other stan%ar%s (e#, H,392) is supporte% /y 7(C>
/y %e"inin$ the "ramin$ an% si$nallin$ capa/ilities o" H,39=40,not clear .hether it is
"inalise% or not /y 7(C> an% .hich 7(C stan%ar%s co;er it-, Another @uestion is .hen
usin$ H,3=940 "or C0(S> ho. an% .here .ill the A0& co%ec /e %e4enco%e% to the
other co%ec use% /y the %estination Net.ork- (he ans.er isA in the last SA-plenary
meetin$> a ne. point co%e .as re@uire% "rom S= to 7(C to %e"ine A0& in 7(C stan%ar%s,
Sin$le num/erin$ an% multi num/erin$ is re@ueste% i" they are a;aila/le in C0(S an%
.hy .oul% .e use multi or sin$le num/erin$,,, 6ell> the operators .oul% like to use
sin$le num/erin$ scheme, But i" you ha;e $ot an incomin$ call to a /rilliant ne.
Mapanese 3G net.ork "rom /eyon% some ol% "ashione% analo$ue net.ork in Ban$la%esh
then you simply ha;e $ot no Bearer Capa/ility to in%icate in %o.nlink to the B-
su/scri/ers 0S, LW conse@uently most mo/iles .oul% %e"ault on speech an% the other
ser;ices can not /e %one,
7" the operator re@uires Sin$le num/erin$ scheme they ha;e to shout a/out it,
Conclusion: Check "or the technical report .hich .ill /e taken to S) an% check "or
multinum/erin$
Sta$e 3 C& is nee%e%> an% it is e#pecte% to the e#istin$ .orkin$ assumption,, 7t is $oo% to
look at the 7u inter"ace "rom our si%e in N) an% to start .ith 2=,22+ is the correct .ay,
(he %ocument is note%
.3 GS" % &"'S inter(or)ing
Genera, *#n*,u+i#n b; the Chairman.
• (his task in on critical path in &11 sche%ule,
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• N) ha% se;eral "un%amental @uestions to take to the latest H' oint meetin$
93,8,)111, 0any o" these are still open,
Chan$e o" C&A 4 C!A relation "rom GS0 &A 4 !A causes a maor re%esi$n .hich can
not /e %one in time "or &11, -W liasin$ to S9 i" they really insist on this-
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CN Pr#t#*#,+ % N1 Chairman
(SGN) has consi%ere% a "e. aspects o" the han%o;er /et.een 9G an% 3G net.orks "rom
the CN protocol ;ie.point an% ha;e liste% the "ollo.in$ items .here clari"ication .ill /e
nee%e% "or (SGN) to /e a/le to procee% .ith the CN protocol Sta$e 3 .ork "or &11,
(he chairman intro%uce% the @uestions an% ans.ers in this %ocument,
3iscussion:
Point 9: .e can ha;e optional proce%ures .hich is manu"acturers options> .hich make it
easy .here !!C applies .hen present
&3 meetin$ report "rom en% o" Au$ust is re@uire% to see .hat happene%> &AN3 .as
e#pecte% to sen% a !S to N) a"ter their meetin$, 6hat happene%-
(his !S> it %oes not clari"y all the @uestions .e supplie%> /ut is there any necessity to
sen% a !S-
Han%lin$ o" cipherin$ in the multimo%e net.ork is the /i$$er part an% .e ha;e no
ans.er "or it,
N) is lookin$ "or.ar% to $et the remainin$ @uestions ans.ere% /y &9 an% &3,
Conclusion: Note% an% intereste% %ele$ates shoul% come .ith contri/utions in the ne#t
meetin$
.4 "S c$assmar)
9; the *hairman.
6orkin$ assumptions:
• (he "ollo.in$ .orkin$ assumptions shoul% /e mo;e% to the (& an% presente%
pre"era/ly %urin$ this meetin$, 7" that is not possi/le then email %istri/ution is
recommen%e%,
• GS0 0S C09 /ecomes C0(S CN C0,
• GS0 0S C09 has $ot only 3 spare /its le"t> so this is ust a startin$ point an% an
e#tension must /e %e"ine%,
• 6here is the &AN C0 in"ormation "or other &ANs store%- 0S or &AN or CN-
-W 0S C0 "or C(&AN in &AN an% GS0 &AN C0 in 0SC (as is %one no. in
GS0)
• Sin$le &AN C0 or one "or each &AN- (his %epen%s on .here the &AN C0 is
store%, 'ne /i$ lump lea;es no chance "or interro$ation o" the %ata "or the other
&AN only i" it is nee%e%, But this is a (SG& issue any.ay, -W 6e propose
separate ones "or each &AN "or mo%ularity,
'pen issues:
• 7n .hich !3 messa$es is CN C0 in"ormation to /e sent-
• 7n .hich messa$es is the &AN C0 in"ormation to /e sent-
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6hat is the criteria "or the 0S to sen% %i""erent CN 4 &AN C0 in"ormation- -W (he
re@uirements "or sin$le mo%e net.ork are reasona/ly clear: CN C0 is sent al.ays
an% the &AN C0 /ase% on the ser;in$ &AN, -W a%%itionally the &AN C0 "or the
other &AN in multimo%e net.ork nee%s to /e kno.n, 3oes the 0S sen% this al.ays
or only a"ter en@uiry or 3! in%ication /y the net.ork- 7" so> is it &NC4BSS or 0SC
.hich initiates the en@uiry-
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(his contri/ution proposes to a$ree on principles "or han%lin$ the 0S Classmark in the
core net.ork,
7t is propose% to en%orse the "ollo.in$ principles "or the han%lin$ o" the Classmark
7n"ormation in the core net.ork:
), GS0 0S Classmark is han%le% in C0(S as to%ay in GS0, (hus
 GS0 0S Classmark is sent in the initial !3 messa$e to core net.ork an% store%
there,
 GS0 0S Classmark containin$ also ra%io speci"ic in"ormation is still passe% in
00 messa$es similar to GS0,
Note: (he sen%in$ o" ra%io speci"ic in"ormation in 00 messa$es applies only
"or GS0 0S Classmark %ue to /ack.ar% compati/ility,
9, (he chan$es to A-inter"ace "or GS0 shoul% /e a;oi%e% /ut some chan$es are
necessary, (he chan$es shoul% /e /ack.ar% compati/le to a pure GS0 net.ork>
.hich is not up%ate% to support these chan$es,
3, (he .orkin$ assumptions in re" O)P apply only to the ne. CN an% &AN speci"ic
classmark %eclare% "or C0(S, (he "ollo.in$ is nee%e% to /e speci"ie% in N):
 %eclare in .hich 00 messa$es the ne. CN classmark is sent to the core net.ork
an% the co%in$4contents o" CN classmark 7B,
=, (he han%o;er is %escri/e% in (SG &AN /ut the han%lin$ o" Classmark in"ormation in
the core net.ork "or the Han%o;er purposes shoul% /e %escri/e% in (SG CN-), For
e#ample the "ollo.in$ issues nee% to /e sol;e% in coor%ination .ith relate% .orkin$
$roups:
 %eclare in .hich messa$es the ne. &AN classmark is sent to the core net.ork
/e"ore the han%o;er "rom GS0 to C0(S
 %eclare the han%lin$ o" 0S Classmark an% &AN classmark in the core net.ork
/e"ore the han%o;er "rom C0(S to GS0
3iscussion: (he %ele$ates %iscusse% .hether the mentione% classmark o;erri%e GS0
C0, 3iscussions a/out .h.ere to store the C0 in &AN or the CN an% ho. .ill it .ork
"or %i""erent access net.orks ( 9
n%
an% 3
r%
$enerations), 0r, Yaus .as missin$ C03 .here
this proposal co;ers C09 only,
Conclusion: Note%, (his is (HB 0AM'& H'( ('P7C an% /i$$est pro/lem in N) .ork
to $et &11 %one in time,
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(his contri/ution "or a%%ition o" 0S Classmark "or C0(S interro$ation proce%ure in
00 mainly comes "rom the concept o" achie;in$ clear separation o" ra%io access
net.ork technolo$y an% core net.ork technolo$y,
3iscussion: Starte% /y @uestionin$ .hether it .oul% /e possi/le to re@uire the classmark
proce%ure /e"ore sen%in$ the !ocation Cp%ate response messa$e- (here is no parallel
00 proce%ure at the same time> i" it is the case then .e must sen% the classmark /e"ore
!CP response .as the ans.er,
'ne %ele$ateNs un%erstan%in$ .as> $i;in$ the C0 .ithin the !CP proce%ure ust in case
there is a timer "or setup then it shoul% /e per"orme% /e"ore setup,
Tuestion: 6hy sen% setup messa$e a"ter !CP- it is s.itchin$ "rom 00 to 0(C> .here
GS0 usin$ the e#istin$ connection> it is mi#ture /et.een 0'C an% 0(C- (he ans.er
.as> it is a GS0 proce%ure .hich is an e#ception,
Generally the setup %irection is une#pecte% in the e#ample $i;en /y the setup,
7t is not the same .ay GS0 intro%uces the classmark as Nokia state% as %eclaration,
(here is a compromise "rom the contri/utor si%e> an% he aske%A so .here shoul% .e start-
T) ho. o"ten .e $et an 0(C %urin$ !CP-
(his is also relate% to the technical report N)-11B21
A @uestion to 0CC ho. to maintain the li"ecycle o" a (&- (he ans.er is as a normal
speci"ication,
Conclusion: Note%
T0#*-N99!5: $iphering Algorith% &n'or%ation in () $apability / *+,its+
(his is a %iscussion paper,
7n current .orkin$ assumption in N)> CB supportin$ cipherin$ al$orithm list is re$ar%e%
as ra%io relate% in"ormation Hence it is e#clu%e% "rom 0S Classmark "or C0(S CN in
(echnical &eport, Ho.e;er &NC e#pects to recei;e the A: can%i%ates list "rom CN
accor%in$ to the latest ;ersion o" 9:,=)3 (&ANAP speci"ication) there is inconsistency
shoul% /e sol;e% throu$h correspon%ence /et.een N) an% &3,
3iscussion: 7t is not clear i" &AN .ants to use the same proce%ure %e"ine% in GS0>
.here the cipherin$ al$orithm coul% /e ma%e a;aila/le /y a%ministration in the BSS
Bither stick to the GS0 Architecture or the ne. proposal as the %ele$ates su$$este%,
Conclusion: Note%> -a liaison .ill /e %ra"te% /y Fuitsu to &AN9> 3 (%oc * is not
re@ueste% yet,
T0#* N1-99!>5 C,a++mark han0,ing Jbet6een 'MTS an0 GSM % N#kia
(his paper is "or %iscussion
(his contri/ution proposes .hat capa/ility in"ormation the CB sen%s at the connection
setup to the net.ork in case o" %i""erent net.ork con"i$urations, Also the re@uirements
"or a%%itional classmark in"ormation retrie;al "or inter system han%o;er purposes are
illustrate%,
3iscussion: (he %iscussion co;ere% the Classmark 3 parameter an% their relation to
pre;ious releases e#, &18, some su$$estions are %escri/e% /elo.:-
 7t .as @uestione% that section 3 Classmark 3 is an optional parameter, (he assumption
is that i" the 0SC is release 18 then it is not sure that &18 can a%% such capa/ility to
00 so it is no realistic to a%% such "eature in &18, (he ori$inator a$ree% that this
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.ill /e a /i$ chan$e, /ut it .oul% /e easier or a /etter mechanism to pro;i%e% nee%e%
in"ormation,
 Siemens su$$este% an 76F is re@uire% /et.een C(&AN an% GS0 0SC .hich coul%
"ilter the classmark 3> then it is up to the implementation o" &ANAP to accept it or
not, Concerns .ere sho.n a/out the 76F on .hich protocol layer .ill it /e mappe%,
 6hen the ser;in$ &AN is C(&AN> Net.ork type .ill /e /roa%caste% (e#,&18)
/ehin% this C(&AN> then 0S .ill inclu%e Classmark 3 accor%in$ to .here he is
roamin$ an,
 Alcatel .on%ere% CN &18 an% CN &11 is it possi/le -
(he Chairman su$$este% that the /est solution is to check the mo/ile re@uirements
an% .rite a contri/ution in accor%ance 0S criteria seems to /e %epen%in$ on the 0S
access net.ork as one o" the %ele$ates state%
Some .orkin$ assumptions are re@uire% an% some su$$estions .ere ma%e:
 &AN classmark, A net.ork classmark %epen%s on %o.nlink in"ormation i" coul% /e
supplie% an% i" it is not a;aila/le then use C09,
 sen% C0 9 .hich e""ecti;ely is the CN classmark an% may/e some a%%itional
in"ormation .hich shoul% /e %e"ine%
 &AN speci"ic classmark is our %ecision
 Another parameter is su$$este% not to share the same parameter an% not to /e "i#e% to
the capacity o" the classmark /ut this .ill /e %one /y a%%in$ another 7B .hich .ill
sol;e the pro/lem as the author alrea%y state%,
 7t shoul% /e sen% in a %i""erent messa$e an% not in C0 re@uest messa$e .hich is
;ali% "or /oth GS0 an% C0(S,
3iscussion a/out C0 an% H' .ent on "or a .hile, it .as @uestione% :
-7n .hich !3 messa$e .oul% the C0 /e sent> an% .hich &AN !3 C0 is to /e sent-
-C0 in"ormation> .oul% it /e /etter to store it in &AN or 0S or the CN- an% not to
"or$et in case o" H' is re@uire%J
-(he C0 siDe> there is only 9 /its a;aila/le no.> so .e nee% to e#ten% the len$th o" the
C0
-Can .e ha;e some %etails on ho. Ser;in$ &AN re@uest a%%itional in"ormation-&AN3
shoul% /e responsi/le "or this issue /utCN) shoul% procee% .ith the .ork too,
&AN 3 is responsi/le to %eci%e .hen to sen% C0 /ut CN) nee%s to %e"ine it in the core
net.ork .ere it is nee%e%, &AN .oul% %e"ine ho. to han%le it,
7t .as also mentione% that it is not up to CN) to %e"ine the H' scenario> so .oul% it /e
%e"ine% as one 7B containin$ all the in"ormation- 6here .ill C0 /e store%> in CN or
&AN- CN) %i% not "in% consensus on this,
Alternati;e 3:7t coul% /e "ormulate% that the &AN sen%s to the tar$et &AN in case o" H'>
so either it .oul% /e store% in &AN or pro;i%e% in the H' re@uest> sen% one /i$ lump o"
classmark in a .hole an% not separate them in %i""erent messa$es, 7t also has the /ene"it
o" %i""erent &AN stan%ar%isation .hich .oul% cope .ith them inclu%e% in one messa$e,
6e nee% to sen% the in"ormation in the Ho messa$e only i" it is a C0(S to GS0 H' "or
co;erin$ the case that GS0 has a %i""erent ;ersion .here it nee%s to up%ate the
classmark,
7n case o" GS0 to C0(S: in GS0 C0 is store% in the 0SC> .here in C0(S .ill it /e
store% in &AN, (his is our 6orkin$ Assumption,
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A su$$estion .as to ha;e C0 "or &AN> C(&AN an% GS0, T: .hen .ill C03 /e sent
only in case o" roamin$ in C0(S co;era$e H'- this to keep the comple#ity o" GS0
print out
'"" line %iscussion took place an% the results are state% at the top o" a$en%a item <,= /y
the chairman
Conclusion: (he %ocument is note%
A technical report .ith all .orkin$ assumptions an% @uestions .ill /e prepare% in N)-
11B21
N1-999594 Fuistu> .ew wor!ing assumptions are re&lected "$ the latest #ersion o& the TR.
6hich(he technical report is note%
A !S is to /e prepare% "or &AN3 an% S0G96PA an% to &AN9 4 Siemens
!S-out is N)-11B39 .hich is re;ise% to N)-11B3=
<,: !3 Se$mentation
Comments /y the chairman:
• 6hy not %o !9 se$mentation- !S to S0G9> &9 an% &3 in A13,
• Pro$ress is not a $oo% option "or carryin$ the e#tension> itNs %o.nlink only,
• 0S C09 is the one to use "or this kin% o" CN relate% in"ormation> not C03,
• 00 speci"ic in"ormation coul% /e su""icient to $i;e the %o.nlink in%ication to the
mo/ile that the ser;in$ CN is &11 le;el,
CCBS interaction -W SB(CP container in CCBS &ecall must /e sol;e% too,
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(his /elon$s the 67 ICser-to-Cser Si$nallin$I> CCS
7n GS0 2=,2< ;,<,2,2 it is sai% I(he num/er o" octets in an !3-messa$e passe% to layer 9
"or transmission in ackno.le%$e% mo%e shall not e#cee% 9:)I, Ho.e;er> at present the
len$th o" SB(CP messa$e can e#cee% the ma#imum len$th o" !3 messa$e,
(.o proposals .ere presente%, 'ne is application speci"ic metho% an% the other is a
$eneral implementation metho%, 7mplementations i%eas an% open issues .ere intro%uce%,
A conclusion is reache% /y the presenter that the $eneral se$mentation mechanism
co;erin$ at least messa$es o" CC layer is the pre"er solution> also it .oul% /e nee%e% "or
"uture e#tension an% implementation,
3iscussion: 6hy %onNt .e support the se$mentation on layer 9 - as one o" the %ele$ates
aske%, (he ans.er .as> that it .as %iscusse% an% a$ree% to ha;e it on !3> .hile there are
pro/lems on the A inter"ace, Blue Book SCCP is use% /y some manu"acturers, A !S
usin$ layer 3 has /een sent to S0G9 6PA, Bricsson su$$este% to ali$n the C0(S an%
GS0 siDe o" messa$es , (he 67 is no. intro%uce% "or C0(S so may/e .e .oul% ask
a$ain S0G96pA .ith the intention o" ha;in$ the CC .hich shoul% /e the same "or all,
(his Cp$ra%e e""ects the BSS .hich may/e not all manu"acturers4operators .ant to %o it,
7t is our pre"erence to ha;e it ,
7t .as %iscusse% that this is 'G "or CC si$nallin$ /ut .hat a/out the si$nallin$ to /uil%
up the call or has an e""ects on the call setup e#, Facility> .hich uses !3 an% coul%
e#cee% the limit> %o .e .ant to /reak them too,- Siemens a%%e% 4o we want to carry all
information in a container so will we segment the messages% e1. $acility#
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another su$$este% one a%%itional messa$e is re@uire% to co;er all re@uirements "or CC
si$nallin$,
Some reser;ation /ecause o" possi/ility o" !9 se$mentation,
(he implementation o" this 67 shoul% /e in;esti$ate%,
Conclusion: Note%> Bricsson .rote a 8S N1-99!93 to S0G96PA &AN9 an% &AN3>
.hich .as a$ree% an% sent
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Comments /y the chairman:
Some o" our C&s .ill impact 28-series an% S0G9 6PA
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(his %ocument inclu%es a C& to 93,23=,
7ntro%uction o" asymmetry "or BCS3
3iscussion: Section :,)> the sentence a"ter point 8 is missin$,
Conclusion: (he %ocument is re;ise% to N1-9991: .hich is a$ree%,
T0#* N1-9999: 9C(/ m#0i$i*ati#n+ 0ue t# /CSD a+;mmetr;% N#kia, /ri*++#n
(his %ocument inclu%es a C& to 9=,228,
0o%i"ication o" BC7B %ue to asymmetry "or BCS3:
)2,:,=,: Bearer capa/ility> Fi$ure )2,:,884(S 9=,228 Bearer capa/ility in"ormation
element> (a/le )2,:,)):a4(S 9=,228: Bearer capa/ility in"ormation element
3iscussion: (he .or% Ireser;e%I coul% not /e use% in this place /ecause it is reser;e%,
Please ali$n it .ith 2=,28 .or%in$,
Conclusion: (he %ocument .as re;ise% to N1-9991> .hich .as a$ree%,
T0#* N1-99999 (MP!CTS 4" MS !D(4 !CC/SS C!P!9(8(TK
(N"4M!T(4N 4N S(GN!88(NG M/SS!G/S% N#kia
B""ecte% Speci"ications: 2=,<2> 9=,228> 28,)8, (his %ocument is presente% "or %iscussion,
Peter B%lun% presente%4 Bricsson
0S &a%io Access Capa/ility 7B is sent "rom the 0S to the net.ork to in"orm a/out 0SEs
capa/ilities on %i""erent "re@uency /an%s, (he siDe o" the 7B is limite% in the GS0
speci"ications mean.hile more an% more in"ormation shoul% /e inclu%e% in it a/out the
"uture mo/ile stations, 0S &AC 7B is sent .ithin 00> &!C40AC an% BSSGP layer
messa$es> each o" them ha;in$ limitations o" their o.n, (his %ocument proposes
solutions to pro;i%e su""icient 0S &AC in"ormation to the net.ork e;en .hen ne.
"re@uency /an%s an% other "eatures like B3GB are intro%uce%,
(he paper .as presente% an% "ollo.e% /y presentin$ N)-11A22 as a relate% %ocument,
N1-99!51 .as only "or in"ormation
T0#* N1-99!55 MS a0i# !**e++ Capabi,it; (/% N#kia
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7ntro%uction o" B3GB relate% "iel%s in the 0S &a%io Access Capa/ility 7B
(he B3GB "iel%s are intro%uce% .ithin the current spare /its to a;oi% any
misinterpretation "rom ol% e@uipment:
(he ol% B(S .ill interpret the B3GB "iel%s as spare /its,
(he ne. B(S .ill not misinterpret this 7B "rom ol% 0Ss as the len$th "iel% %elimits the
;ali% part,
For one access technolo$y> a ma#imum o" )< /its are a%%e% compare% to the release 18
7B,
!en$th analysis:
0a# "or ) access technolo$y 0in "or ) e#tra access technolo$y
&el, 18 << /its 9) /its
&el, 11 89 /its 9= /its
3iscussion: Some notes on the C& .ere
 (he num/er o" octets %oes not match in totalJ
 (he e%itorNs note 70( 9222 instea% o" C0(S so please ali$n .ith the rest o" 9=,228
make it as a note rather than an e%itorNs note
 section 1 messa$e nee% to /e up%ate% accor%in$ly> section )2 1,=,) 7B ma# len$th
inclu%in$ the i%enti"ier> so the total is 39
 S0G9 shoul% /e in"orme% /ecause they .ill ha;e the same pro/lem , it is a oint
responsi/ility
Conclusion: N)-11111 is note%,
N)-11A22 is re;ise% to N)-11B)+ an% a !S .ill /e sent to S0G9 "or share%
responsi/ility N)-11B)1,
So N)-11B)<> N)-11B)+ an% N)-11B)8 .ere a$ree%> an% then there .as common !S in
(%oc N)-11B)1 .hich .as a$ree% an% sent to S0G9 "or share% responsi/ility,,
B%$e status .ill /e reporte% to the plenary /y the chairman,
.. Other R99 iss#es
T0#* N1-9997: Paging e+p#n+e a+ a MM me++age% "uGit+u
(his %ocument is a C& "or 9=,228
Pa$in$ &esponse .as ori$inally %e"ine% in && protocol, Ho.e;er consi%erin$ the nature
o" its "unction> it shoul% /e %e"ine% in 00 protocol, Moint meetin$ amon$ S9> &9> &3 an%
N) a$ree% to re%e"ine the messa$e as a 00
3iscussion: some @uestions .ere raise% like>
 7s there any pre"erence to sen% pa$in$ response on 00 rather than on &&,
 ho. much co%in$ is le"t "or co%in$ type- + out o" )< are use%> so 1 are "ree,
 6hat .ill /e the impact on 2=,284&18 an% on 2=,)8 i" .e accept this C&-
0essa$e impact .ill /e ;ery small at least "or C0(S,93,2)8 is a $oo% chance to $i;e an
arro. %ia$ram a/out ho. to use the 00 messa$es> an% a C& "or this is propose% too,
Ne. pa$in$ response messa$e .ill /e /etter lookin$ at the conte#t an% not the messa$e
itsel" as one o" the %ele$ate su$$este%,
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Csin$ C0 re@uest messa$e mechanism .as "a;oura/le /y Bricsson an% Nokia /ecause it
.oul% /e easier "or /ack.ar% compati/ility in GS0> /ut there shoul% still a response to
the && messa$e .hich .as supporte% /y the %ele$ates,
6e shoul% support the && messa$es proposal /ecause it is supports not only C(&AN /ut
all &11,>, 7n case o" %epen%in$ on the ra%io access net.ork> &18 -BSS .ill not
un%erstan% pa$in$ response messa$e,
Chan$in$ && messa$e in GS0 is to /e %eci%e% in S0G9, 3o .e .ant this approach-
(he 0S has to implement all alternati;es "or "all/ack> an% the net.ork shall implement
"all/ack as .ellJJ
(he opinion o" some o" the %ele$ates that B-mail %iscussion .ill not /rin$ us to any
conclusion,
Some messa$es are missin$> an% an 7B .as %elete% /y mistake, 7t .as also a$ree% to
share C0 9 "or /oth GS0 an% C0(S an% the author accepte% the comments,
No "a;ourite solution is sho.n an% arro. %ia$ram is to intro%uce so no %ecision coul% /e
%one no., Also a %escription "or the && messa$e an% 2=,)8 must /e stu%ie% ;ery .ell
specially the && criteria, Also pa$in$ response timers $uar%e% /y 00 type shoul% /e
$uar%e% /y && type an% .hich timers to /e use%, Comments /y the chairman:
• Proposal to use the e#istin$ && pa$in$ proce%ure "or &11 GS0 an% the ne. 00
pa$in$ proce%ure "or C(&AN,
• (.o alternati;es e#ist> either this approach .hich intro%uces a ne. 00 Pa$in$
&esponse messa$e or enhancin$ the C0 SB&K7CB &BTCBS( .ith more
in"ormation,
• Shoul% the 00 Pa$in$ proce%ure co;er ust C(&AN access or GS0 &11 too- -W
• 7" GS0 &11 chan$es pa$in$ to 00 then
• &11 mo/iles .ill still ha;e to implement &18 pa$in$ to communicate to ol% net.orks
• &11 GS0 net.orks .ill still ha;e to implement &18 pa$in$ to communicate to ol%
mo/iles,
• Put this to the N) status report "or Plenary,
(he interaction o" && an% 00 pa$in$ timers,
Conclusion: (he chairman .ill report it to the plenary,
T0#* N1-99!13 Pr#p#+e0 '+ing MM +ub,a;er $#r 3G PS-SMS tran+$er % NTT
C4MM'N(C!T(4NW!/
7n C0(S> it is a$ree% that !!C is remo;e% o;er ra%io inter"ace, (here"ore> .e shoul%
reconsi%er ho. to trans"er PS-S0S o;er ra%io inter"ace in C0(S, (his contri/ution
proposes the ra%io inter"ace protocol "or 3G PS-S0S messa$e trans"er,
(his contri/ution proposes that 00 su/layer shall /e use% "or 3G PS-S0S messa$e
trans"er /ase% on !!C remo;al, 6e .oul% like to propose this ra%io inter"ace protocol "or
3G PS-S0S as a .orkin$ assumption,
7t is necessary to mo%i"y the speci"ications> i,e, 9=,22+ O3P an% 9=,2)) O=P /ase% on a/o;e
assumption, &ele;ant C&s are N)-11A)=> N)-11A): an% N)-11A)+,
3iscussion:
T) 7s 00 su/-layer propose% to use /oth CS an% PS S0S messa$es .here they are
%i""erent-,
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A) :G00 is part o" the 00 su/-layer> it is @uestion o" terminolo$y,
Fuitsu state% that the same contri/ution is propose% /y S9> e#pressin$ that there is no
"urther .ork on the S0S packet an% askin$ N) to take action on 9=,228 an% 9=,22), (he
chairman conclu%e% that it %oesnNt mean the .ork is %one at least the ser;ice primiti;e
has to /e %e"ine%,
7t seeme% that .e .ere not $ettin$ "ar .ith this proposal> .e .ill consi%er it as .arnin$
an% .e nee% to consi%er 93,)9) an% comment on it, 'ur 6A is that the architecture is
%esi$ne% /y S9,
Comments /y the chairman:
Proposal to route the packet S0Ss ;ia G00,
6e shoul% see 93,)9) on this @uestion too,
2=,)) .as trans"erre% to 3GPP an% seems to /ecome the N) responsi/ility, (he S0S
protocol itsel" .oul% /e in a sta/le state /ut the !!C remo;al causes some re%esi$n to /e
nee%e%,
Conclusion: Note%,
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C4MM'N(C!T(4NW!/, Nipp#n Te,e*#mmuni*ati#n+ C#n+u,ting
(his %ocument is a C& "or 9=,22+, Presente% "or in"ormation
7n GS04GP&S> !!C is use% "or PS-S0S messa$e trans"er, Ho.e;er> 7t is a$ree% that the
si$nallin$ channel shall /e use% "or PS-S0S trans"er in C0(S system as .ell as "or CS-
S0S /ecause o" !!C remo;al %escri/e% in 93,)9),
(here"ore> .e propose that the P00 entity .hich is PS-00 in C0(S o" the 00
su/layer shall /e use% "or PS-S0S messa$e trans"er as CS-S0S C0 entities uses the
00 su/layer "or messa$e trans"er /ecause C0 messa$e trans"er is relate% to 00
connection an% 00 state, (see N)-11A)3)
(his C& proposes protocol architecture "or 3G PS-S0S o;er ra%io inter"ace accor%in$ to
usin$ 00 su/layer "or PS-S0S messa$e trans"er,
Comment /y the chairman:
Comment that GP&S an% GS0 .ill not /e %elete% "rom &11, (he C0(S packet access
shoul% /e a%%e% to the speci"ications, (he intention is not to replace the e#istin$ GS0
/ut a%% somethin$ ne., 'ne pro/lem to /e sol;e% is that lot o" the terminolo$y an%
concepts like 0S Class A> B an% C ha;e $ot no scope outsi%e GP&S,
(he chairman to take this to the ne#t Plenary
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C4MM'N(C!T(4NW!/, Nipp#n Te,e*#mmuni*ati#n+ C#n+u,ting
(his %ocument is a C& "or 9=,2)), Presente% "or in"ormation
7n GS04GP&S> !!C is use% "or PS-S0S messa$e trans"er, Ho.e;er> 7t is a$ree% that the
si$nallin$ channel shall /e use% "or PS-S0S trans"er in C0(S system as .ell as "or CS-
S0S /ecause o" !!C remo;al %escri/e% in 93,)9),
(here"ore> .e propose that the P00 entity .hich is PS-00 in C0(S o" the 00
su/layer shall /e use% "or PS-S0S messa$e trans"er as CS-S0S C0 entities uses the
00 su/layer "or messa$e trans"er /ecause C0 messa$e trans"er is relate% to 00
connection an% 00 state, (see N)-11A)3)
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(his C& proposes protocol architecture "or 3G PS-S0S o;er ra%io inter"ace accor%in$ to
usin$ 00 su/layer "or PS-S0S messa$e trans"er,
T0#* N1-99!17 SMC-PS entit; #$ CM +ub,a;er $#r PS-SMS%NTT
C4MM'N(C!T(4NW!/, Nipp#n Te,e*#mmuni*ati#n+ C#n+u,ting
(his %ocument is a C& "or 9=,2)), Presente% "or in"ormation
6e propose the protocol architecture "or 3G PS-S0S, (see 9=,22+ C& A223)
(he C0 entity uses P00 entity o" 00 su/layer "or PS-S0S messa$e trans"er> so that
this C0 entity has a SAP /et.een C0 an% 00 su/layer an% the "unction o" C0 entity
o" PS-S0S shoul% /e mo%i"ie%,
(his C& proposes the ne. SAP /et.een C0 an% 00 su/layer> an% the ne. C0 entity
"or 3G PS-S0S
3urin$ the %iscussion> it .as "oun% that it is necessary to %e"ine ne. terms "or C0(S to
%istin$uish /et.een them an% the GS0 ones, (he chairman a%%e% that he su$$est to liase
to (SG SA an% raise the su/ect to the plenary le;el .here others nee% to /e in"orme% as
.ell
Conclusion: Note%> presente% "or in"ormation,
T0#* N1-99!1: 3G TS 333151 -333135, Se*urit; !r*hite*ture% N#kia
(his %ocument is presente% "or in"ormation
Attache% please "in% the latest ;ersion o" the Q3G (S 33,)29> ;,3,),2> Security
ArchitectureR, 7t is anticipate% that some parts o" it are rele;ant "or N) .ork on &11,
Conclusion: (he %ocument is note%,
T0#* N1-99!15 3G PD 353p-*-+e* -353535, Pr#Ge*t *#-#r0inati#n a+pe*t+, Pr#Ge*t
p,an $#r +e*urit;
(his %ocument is presente% "or in"ormation
Attache% please "in% the latest ;ersion (as o" )9,1,)111) o" the Q3G P3 32,p-c-sec ;,2,2,2>
Proect co-or%ination aspects> Proect plan "or securityR, (he tasks allocate%
to4anticipate% "rom N) .ith re$ar%s to release 11 are liste% 7n section 3,),3,) Q6ork to /e
%one /y 6G N)R,
Bnhancement nee%s to /e %one to the entire CN or only C0(S4&11-'ne proposal is to
contact the rapporteur o" security aspects in other $roup an% %iscuss matchin$ o" security
aspects 67,
Conclusion: Note%> presente% "or in"ormation,
T0#* N1-99!35 C4D/C neg#tiati#n pr#*e0ure%4ut 9an0 Tran+*#0er C#ntr#,% NTT
D#C#M#
(his %ocument is "or 3iscussion an% 3ecision
(his paper sho.s appropriate C'3BC selection proce%ures ("orm in"orme% can%i%ates)
"or en%-en% co%ec ne$otiation, (.o alternati;es are stu%ie% to tell4select the C'3BC
types, (he purpose o" this stu%y is to %iscuss an% %eci%e the sta$e-9 proce%ure "or the
en%-en% C'3BC ne$otiation proce%ure /et.een CB an% the core net.ork, (& o" out-
/an% transco%er control has /een issue% "rom N9> yet some concerns are arisen> this paper
also clari"ies CC relate% concerns in the (&> an% propose a /etter solution,
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N(( .oul% like to support Altenati;e)> an% .ant to propose the approach as a .orkin$
assumption "or en%-en% C'3BC ne$otiation, (he "urther stu%y (protocol .orks) to /e
continue% /ase% on this assumption, &elate% (S is 9=,228,
3iscussion:
T) :(here are no parameters %escri/e% so .hich BC is use%-
A) : (he setup messa$e has the in"ormation o" ;oice /ut not the type o" co%ec> an% it is to
/e sent to the 0SC an% not to the 76B> $i;in$ all terminal capa/ilities, Current GS0
speci"ications sen% the co%ec in"ormation to the 0SC /ut there is no messa$e to sen%
/ack the chosen one to the 0S,
(.o alternati;es are %escri/e%:
)-(he 0SC4K!& makes the choice upon all the co%ecs supplie% /y the 0S
9- terminal %eci%es
(he 9 alternati;es .ere %iscusse%
7" .e nee% to prepare "or a scenario .e nee% to kno. the operators %ecision> so it is
pro/a/ly pre"erre% to ha;e the 0S to choose the co%ec /ecause o" char$in$> althou$h .e
%o not char$e "or it no. in GS0, all co%ecs .ith the pre"erre% co%es in se@uence are sent
no. in GS0JJJ
6hat is the usti"ication "or char$in$ is it the co%ec or the ra%io resources- A 0erce%es
.ill /e (a#e% more than a !a%e usin$ the same roa%,
Another issue .as "or .hich releases are .e talkin$ a/out &11 or other releases &22-
Not intro%ucin$ it in &11 .ill make us loose the chance to intro%uce a ne. co%ecs in the
"uture,
7n "i$ ) ne$otiation o" the Ce an% 0SC 4K!& .hich shoul% $o to &11 .here .e nee% to
support the si$nallin$ to B si%e, (his ne$otiation is not supporte% in 7SCP "or Call
control,
N9 are responsi/le "or ne$otiatin$ the co%ec> so .e nee% to %iscuss it .ith them a"ter
ha;in$ the %ecision in N),0inimum re@uirements to keep this su/ect ali;e to /e a/le to
intro%uce ne. co%ecs "or CB in the "uture,
(he chairman %eclare% that N) pre"er the "irst solution i" there is no any o/ection, 7t is
similar to GS0
7t seems to /e ne. sen%in$ to sen% in the setup messa$e a %e"ault ;oice call an% .ithout
sen%in$ the BC 7B > .hich is a .ron$ mechanism as one commente% on the %ocument,
Summery /y the chairman:
• &11 or &22-
• N9 must /e in;ol;e% in the %iscussion, (his contri/ution is /ase% on out-o"-/an%
transco%er control (& "rom N9,
• &elate% to 67 out-o"-/an% transco%er control, 7" this 67 $ets mo;e% "rom &11 to &22
then the complete %esi$n .ill not /e nee%e% "or &11, Ho.e;er> the ra%io inter"ace
ne$otiation "or the co%ecs shoul% /e %e"ine% in &11 to a;oi% compati/ility pro/lems
.hen a%%in$ ne. co%ecs later,
• N) pre"er alternati;e )> .hich looks like the current GS0 "or the mo/iles in%icate all
o" the co%ecs they support an% the 0SC4K!& makes the choice o" .hich one to use,
• Shoul% && or CC messa$e /e use% "or in%icatin$ the co%ecs in %o.nlink %irection-
-W no re@uirement "or CC le;el in%ication o" co%ec coul% /e seen,
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• (he propose% mechanism %oes not seem to apply to the ne$otiation o" multime%ia
co%ec,
Sen% a !S to N9 in%icatin$ the .orkin$ assumptions or chairman to report this in the
plenary-
Conclusion Note% (he chairman .ill take it to the Plenary to in"orm N9> N3,
T0#* N1-99!31 Pr#p#+e0 te=t #$ TS12355: $#r in-*a,, m#0i$i*ati#n% N/C
(his %ocument is presente% "or %iscussion
'n the N)*< meetin$> .e presente% a contri/ution> (%oc*11++= title% QBearer
0o%i"ication .ithout pre-noti"icationR an% (%oc*11++: title% C& to 9=,228 on chan$in$
the call mo%eR, 3urin$ the presentation> it .as recommen%e% to put the %escriptions
/ein$ not inclu%e% in current te#ts /ut separate% "rom current te#t "or Q7n-call
mo%i"icationR,
(here .as comment that a%%itional te#t .as /etter to /e not inclu%e% in current te#ts /ut
separate% "rom current te#t o" Q7n-call mo%i"icationR, 7t .as not clearly state% .hy the
te#t shoul% /e separate%, But it may a""ect rea%a/ility o" current %escription to mo%i"y or
a%% te#t o" in-call mo%i"ication .ithout pre-noti"ication, (here"ore> .e re;ise% pre;ious
%escription as "ollo.sA
 Separate% %escriptions /et.een Qin-call mo%i"ication .ith pre-noti"ication .hich
is current metho%R an% Qin-call mo%i"ication .ithout pre-noti"ication .hich is
ne.ly propose% metho%R,
 0a%e each %escription in%i;i%ually an% trie% each to /e as much as sel"-
containe%,
Actual te#t is inclu%e% in C& o" this item,
NCB proposes to inclu%e a%%itional te#ts into su/section :,3,=,3 an% Anne# B 9,3 o"
(S9=,228, 7n a%%ition> .e issue C& "or this purpose .ith another (%oc,
Conclusion: (he %ocument .as note%,
T0#* N1-99!33 Changing the Ca,, M#0e% N/C
(his %ocument %escri/es a C& "or 9=,228
7t is speci"ie% in su/section :,3,=,3,) o" C0(S 9=,228 as the ne. mo%e $i;en in the
0'37FX messa$e shall /e one o" those alrea%y ne$otiate% an% a$ree% %urin$ the
esta/lishment phase o" the call, Ho.e;er> i" the num/er o" can%i%ate mo%e to /e
increase% to lar$e amount> same num/er o" can%i%ate mo%es %esi$nate% /y /earer
capa/ility 7BEs shoul% /e %esi$nate% %urin$ the esta/lishment phase o" the call,
Accor%in$ to the messa$e "unctional %e"inition> relate% messa$e> e,$, setup or call
con"irme%> coul% inclu%e only t.o 7BEs "or speci"yin$ the /earer capa/ility (i,e, /earer
capa/ility) an% /earer capa/ility9) in the messa$e, (his means the call mo%e coul% /e
selecte% only "rom t.o kin%s o" mo%es,
(o increase the num/er o" can%i%ate mo%es to /e chan$e% to> it is necessary to %esi$nate
ne. mo%e /y /earer capa/ility 7B o" 0'37FX messa$e> e;en i" the mo%e .asnEt
%esi$nate% %urin$ the esta/lishment phase o" cal
3iscussion: (he aim here is presentin$ 7n call mo%i"ication .ithout pre-noti"ication "or
Sta$e 3
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Conclusion: (he %ocumnet is note% .here the most important part is %escri/e% in N)-
11A3<
T0#* N1-99!3> Pr#p#+e0 a*ti#n t# S1 $#r in-*a,, m#0i$i*ati#n 6ith#ut pre-
n#ti$i*ati#n% N/C
(his %ocument is presente% "or %iscussion,
'n the N)*< meetin$> .e presente% a contri/ution> (%oc*11++= title% as QBearer
0o%i"ication .ithout pre-noti"icationR an% (%oc*11++: title% as QC& to 9=,228 on
chan$in$ the call mo%eR, By consi%erin$ the ser;ice %e"inition> it is necessary to take
some action to another rele;ant 6G,
NCB is $oin$ to in;esti$ate the issues liste% a/o;e> ho.e;er> similar in;esti$ation .ill /e
necessary to /e ma%e /y the %ele$ates o" ser;ice %e"inition, 6e .oul% ask S) to
in;esti$ate a %escription relatin$ to Qin-call mo%i"icationR an% .e .oul% like to input
some result o" our in;esti$ation on comin$ S) meetin$,
3iscussion: (he @uestion .ere:
 7s there an appro;e% 67 co;erin$ 7C0--W to /e checke%
 6hat is the outcome o" 0'37FX5&BMBC(-W resume the pre;ious BC
 7s there a su/scription check at the 7C0 time--W the su/scription is checke% at
ne$otiation time
Conclusion: (he %ocument is note%,
T0#* N1-99!32 Pr#p#+e0 te=t #$ TS13315: $#r in-*a,, m#0i$i*ati#n% N/C
(hs %ocument is "or %iscussion,
'n the N)*< meetin$> .e presente% a contri/ution> (%oc*11++= title% QBearer
0o%i"ication .ithout pre-noti"icationR an% (%oc*11++: title% C& to 9=,228 on chan$in$
the call mo%eR, 3urin$ the presentation> it .as recommen%e% to inclu%e a %escription into
sta$e 9 %escription ((S93,)28),
NBC proposes to inclu%e a%%itional te#ts into su/section +,3,+ o" (S93,)28, 7n a%%ition>
.e issue C& "or this purpose .ith another (%oc,
Conclusion: (he %ocument is note%, 7t is relate% to N)-11A3:
T0#* N1-99!3? (n-*a,, m#0i$i*ati#n% N/C
(his %ocument is a C&( .ith no assi$ne% num/er) "or 93,)28,
(he structure% %escription "or in-call mo%i"ication is %escri/e% in su/section +,3,+ o"
C0(S 93,)28, Ho.e;er> the te#ts are not inclu%e% /ut only %ia$ram, Furthermore> the
%ia$ram an% te#ts "or in-call mo%i"ication .ithout pre-noti"ication mo%i"ie% /y C&2)9
is not inclu%e%
3iscussion: (%ocs N)-11A39-N-11A3: %e"ine one possi/ility "or intro%ucin$ 7C0 .ith
no pre-noti"ication to the speci"ication i" .e $et the $o-ahea% "rom S) an% N3,
Conclusion: (he %ocument is note%,
7 4utput 8iai+#n Statement+
T0#* N1-99919 9earer M#0i$i*ati#n 6ith#ut pre-n#ti$i*ati#n
(his is a !S out to (SG-N3 an% noti"yin$ (SG-S)> (SG-S=,
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7t co;ers solutions "or some pro/lems i%enti"ie% /y N3 concernin$ the /earer
mo%i"ications .ithout mo%i"ication .hich coul% happens in %i""erent cases
For the pro/lem o" a /earer ser;ice .hich .as not noti"ie%4%eclare% %urin$ call setup an%
it .ill not /e checke% "or su/scription> it is su$$este% to a%% the proce%ure o" the
su/scription check %urin$ mo%i"ication phase, (o %iscriminate the in4out-/an% si$nalin$
com/ination> some cate$orise% si$nallin$ kin%s (in/an%>out/an%) is su$$este%, For /earer
mo%i"ication .ithout pre-noti"ication %urin$ call setup> CN) consi%ers the /earer ser;ice
to /e ne.ly intro%uce% 0ultime%ia call .ith ;arious spee%s> as %escri/e% in su/section
:,)> :,9,9 an% :,3,) o" (S9<,))9,
3iscussion:
(his is alrea%y %iscusse% in the oint meetin$,
Conclusion: Note% is sent /y N) to their %estinations,
T0#* N1-99!13 8S #n C,ari$i*ati#n+ #n the management #$ #,0 an0 ne6 T88(
3urin$ their meetin$ in 0akuhari> S0G3 6PA ha;e %iscusse% the attache% %ocument
a/out QClari"ications on the mana$ement o" ol% an% ne. (!!7R ((%oc N)-11A2=)> .hich
has also /een sent as an input %ocument to the S0G9 6PA meetin$ in Bor%eau#,
3ue to the concerns e#presse% /y one %ele$ation a/out the conse@uences o" the propose%
chan$es to the speci"ications (see attachment> (%oc N)-11A1=)> S0G3 6PA coul% not
%eci%e to a$ree on the C&s propose% in (%oc N)-11A2=,
S0G3 6PA .oul% like to ask S0G9 6PA to take the %iscussion paper in (%oc N)-
11A1= into consi%eration "or their %iscussion o" the issue, 7" S0G9 6PA can a$ree to the
conclusions %ra.n in that %ocument> S0G9 6PA are kin%ly aske% to implement the
propose% chan$es to GS0 28,)8, 7n that case> S0G3 6PA .ill intro%uce the necessary
clari"ication to GS0 2=,28 mentione% at the en% o" (%oc N)-11A1=,
3iscussion: (he secon% para$raph concerne% one %ele$ateA i" .e .ant to sen% it then .e
shoul% say it is N) opinion an% someone in S0G9 6PA shoul% present that,
Conclusion: (he !S is a$ree%
T0#* N1-99!12.8iai+#n Statement #n $reeDing #$ 97 an0 9:
(his !S is linke% .ith N)-11A9: ,
(SGN) is "in%in$ it increasin$ly %i""icult to .ork in the situation .hen multiple
speci"ication releases are open "or up%ates, (his is particularly the case .ith &1+> &18
an% &11 an% GP&S,
(he a$ree% principle to make only essential corrections an% clari"ications to the ol%
releases (&1+ an% &18) %oes not seem to ha;e the %esire% e""ect an% %ue to this a
su/stantial amount o" GP&S relate% C&s are /ein$ "or.ar%e% to S0G *32 "or appro;al,
Conclusion: A$ree%
T0#* N1-99!2? e+p#n+e t# 8S #n Ser-i*e%9a+e,ine (mp,ementati#n Capabi,itie+
Sent to (SG-( 6G9 > (SG-SA 6G)> (SG-CN 6G9> CN 6G9 ss a%hoc> (SG-CN 6G3
(SG-CN 6G) thanks (SG-( 6G9 "or liaison on (erminal Capa/ilities,
N) un%erstan%s that Baseline Capa/ility is a set o" core "eatures that is a /asis "or all the
ser;ices> an% that Baseline Capa/ility itsel" is ser;ice in%epen%ent,
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Base% on this un%erstan%in$> N) cate$orises 0o/ility 0ana$ement (00 an% G00)
relate% "unctionality as Baseline Capa/ility, As Baseline 7mplementation Capa/ility is a
component o" .hole set o" Baseline Capa/ility> it .oul% /e natural .ith re$ar% to such
each o" 00 proce%ures, (a/le ) .as create% /ase% on this un%erstan%in$ pickin$ up the
00 proce%ures "rom C0(S 9=,228 as the Baseline 7mplementation Capa/ility,
Ser;ice Capa/ility is un%erstoo% as ser;ice speci"ic part o" mo/ile "unctionality .hich
.oul% correspon% to the C0 su/-layer (i,e,> CC> S0> S0S> etc), (a/le 9 sho.s Ser;ice
7mplementation Capa/ility> an% it is compose% o" C0 su/-layer proce%ures,
Since N) are still %e;elopin$ &11> (9 are remin%e% that these ta/les mi$ht chan$e /ase%
on "uture %iscussion in N),
S)> N9> SS-a%hoc an% N3 are re@ueste% to re;ie. the ta/le "rom their point o" ;ie.,
3iscussion: Some concerns .ere sho.n a/out the ta/le .hich coul% not /e re;ie.e%
properly .here Bricsson has alrea%y "oun% some mistakes> an% .hether it .oul% /e use%
"or the test proce%ures,
7t shoul% not point on the re@uirements on such /ut point out to the re@uirements,
 0o/ile initiate% Com/ine% attache% proce%ure is missin$
 (he !S is pro;i%e% "or in"o> an% the in"ormation pro;i%e% in the %ocument an% not on
a co;er sheet
Conclusion : (he !S is re;ise% to N)-11B)=
T0#* N1-99912 e+p#n+e t# 8S #n Ser-i*e%9a+e,ine (mp,ementati#n Capabi,itie+
(SG-CN 6G) thanks (SG-( 6G9 "or liaison on (erminal Capa/ilities,
N) un%erstan%s that Baseline Capa/ility is a set o" core "eatures that is a /asis "or all the
ser;ices> an% that Baseline Capa/ility itsel" is ser;ice in%epen%ent,
Base% on this un%erstan%in$> N) cate$orises 0o/ility 0ana$ement (00 an% G00)
relate% "unctionality as Baseline Capa/ility, As Baseline 7mplementation Capa/ility is a
component o" .hole set o" Baseline Capa/ility> it .oul% /e natural .ith re$ar% to such
each o" 00 proce%ures, (a/le ) .as create% /ase% on this un%erstan%in$ pickin$ up the
00 proce%ures "rom C0(S 9=,228 as the Baseline 7mplementation Capa/ility,
Ser;ice Capa/ility is un%erstoo% as ser;ice speci"ic part o" mo/ile "unctionality .hich
.oul% correspon% to the C0 su/-layer (i,e,> CC> S0> S0S> etc), (a/le 9 sho.s Ser;ice
7mplementation Capa/ility> an% it is compose% o" C0 su/-layer proce%ures,
Since N) are still %e;elopin$ &11> (9 are remin%e% that these ta/les mi$ht /e chan$e%
/ase% on "uture %iscussion in N),
N) .oul% like to ask to S)> N9> ss a%hoc an% N3 to re;ie. the ta/le "rom your point o"
;ie.,
3iscussion: (he %iscussion on .hether the ta/le shoul% /e normati;e or in"ormati;e,
3ecision that it shoul% /e in"ormati;e at least "or no.> as in case o" potential con"lict the
e#istin$ core speci"ication shoul% /e "ollo.e%,
(he in"ormati;e nature o" the %ocument shoul% /e hi$hli$hte% to the .orkin$ $roup(s)
%ra"tin$ the type appro;al test cases, 7t ser;es as a $oo% pointer to the can%i%ate testa/le
proce%ures /ut the actual re@uirements on the proce%ures an% the con%itions in .hich
they apply shoul% /e %eri;e% "rom the actual speci"ications %e"inin$ the proce%ures> not
"rom this summary %ocument,
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(he note is to /e chan$e% to in"ormati;e, Please remo;e the "oot note an% make the
%ocument to /e in"ormati;e at the top o" the pa$e,
Conclusion: the !S .as re;ise% to N)-11B33 .hich .as a$ree%,
T0#* n1-99!:: 8S #n C9S "un*ti#na,it; an0 e+p#n+ibi,it;
N) .oul% like to thank (SG-(9 S6G3 (0essa$in$) "or their liaison (attache%) in (%oc
(9-11+:< ((%oc N)-11A<=)
7n the past the Cell Broa%cast ser;ice has not /een the responsi/ility o" S0G3,
N1 i+ n#t $ami,iar 6ith +pe*i$i*ati#n 53329 &Ce,, 9r#a0*a+t Centre an0 9a+e Stati#n
C#ntr#,,er) an0 it ha+ n#t been in*,u0e0 in the 0#*ument+ t# be tran+$erre0 t# 3GPP
un0er TSG CN re+p#n+ibi,it;3
Ho.e;er N) has .on%ere% .hether the Cell Broa%cast Centre shoul% /e consi%ere% as
part o" the Core Net.ork or as part o" &AN,
7" the Cell Broa%cast Centre shoul% /e consi%ere% as part o" the Core Net.ork then
possi/ly it shoul% come un%er N) responsi/ility,
S0G9 an%4or S0G= are assume% to /e more "amiliar .ith 23,=1 an% are aske% to $i;e
$ui%ance on this,
Also> S0G9 an%4or S0G= are aske% i" the C0(S Cell Broa%cast Centre is likely to /e
/ase% on an e;ol;e% GS0 Cell Broa%cast Centre or is it all ne. "or C0(S-
3iscussion: 6e .ant to use the Broa%cast centre /oth "or C FG in the same .ay,
Conclusion: (he !S .as a$ree%
T0#* N1-99!:9 -ra't .esponse to /0S abo+t Syn#hronisation
(SG-CN 6G) .oul% appreciate liaison statement o" (SG-( 6G9 "or Q!S a/out
SynchronisationR,
(SG-CN 6G) .oul% like to response that the %ata synchroniDation un%er our situation o"
a limit o" stu%y an% a limit o" un%erstan%in$ on its pro;i%e% in"ormation, (SG-CN 6G)
/elie;es that .e are not in;esti$atin$ such synchronisation as a part o" our .ork> also .e
are not inten%in$ to .ork "or the area,
I& there are an$ /uestions a"out possi"le mutual wor! with TSG+T 0G1, please let us
!now.
3iscussion: 6e /ase% our stu%y on the assumption .e a$ree% in N)-11A<: .hich is not
co;ere% in this !S,
Conclusion: &e;ise% to N)-11B):
6here N1-9991? i+ *hange0 t#
(SG-CN 6G) .oul% appreciate liaison statement o" (SG-( 6G9 "or T)*T2FG999<848
Q!S a/out SynchronisationR, (SG-CN 6G) .oul% like to response that the %ata
synchroniDation un%er limite% situation o" the stu%y an% un%erstan%in$ on its pro;i%e%
in"ormation,
6e stu%ie% an% assume% that the pro;i%e% in"ormation "or %ata synchronisation is "or an
e""ort to research synchronisation protocols such as en%-user %e;ices> %esktop
applications an% ser;er-/ase% in"ormation ser;ices> 7r0C> Bluetooth an% Ca/le coul% /e
use% "or connection .ith 0o/ile Phone,
(SG-CN 6G) /elie;es that .e are not in;esti$atin$ such synchronisation as a part o"
our .ork> also .e are not inten%in$ to .ork "or the area,
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7" there are any @uestions a/out possi/le mutual .ork .ith (SG-( 6G9> please let us
kno.,
Conclusion: 7t is a$ree% an% sent,
T0#* N1-99!95 e+p#n+e t# the 8S #n 8#*ati#n !rea *#n*ept
N) thanks S9 "or their in"ormin$ N) a/out the %ecision ma%e on !A concept,
N) .as aske% to $i;e their opinion on a pre"erre% solution to satis"y the re@uirement o"
in%epen%ent &A an% !A> an% roamin$ /et.een GS0 an% C0(S,
No real ans.er coul% /e $i;en> /ut the "ollo.in$ comments an% @uestions .ere issue% :
(he re@uirements in O)P (93,)9)) .ill mean re.ritin$ the 00 almost completely,
Allo.in$ C!A an% C&A in%epen%ency is one o" the many maor chan$es .e see,
N) has /een .orkin$ on the a$ree% principle that the chan$es to &11 GS0 speci"ications
shoul% /e minimise% an% /ack.ar% compati/ility .ith ol%er releases maintaine% .hen
%esi$nin$ roamin$ /et.een GS0 an% C0(S,
(he relation /et.een !A an% &A has /een that &A is completely containe% .ithin one
!A, Chan$in$ this assumption .oul% /e a maor task .hich can not /e %one in time "or
&11,
(he only case .here .e coul% see some a%;anta$e in C&A spannin$ o;er multiple C!As
.oul% /e in a net.ork .ith ;ery limite% packet tra""ic ;olumes> e,$, ust a"ter the launch
o" packet ser;ices,
N) is not con;ince% that this chan$e o" re@uirements is really /ene"icial enou$h to usti"y
the cost-
0ore $enerally> From N) ;ie.point it looks that either .e "ul"ill the current re@uirement
in 93,)9) an% "ail to meet the sche%ule "or &11 /y a si$ni"icant mar$in or the
re@uirements are a%uste% to allo. the principle o" /ein$ a/le to use the e#istin$ GS0
/ack$roun% "or 00,
3iscussion: C&A> C!A .as not "a;oure% /ut !A an% &A is "a;oure%,
7t .as also %iscusse% that e;en i" the re@uirement in 93,)9) is re@uire%> still it is a lot o"
.ork,
0ore technical re@uirements is to /e %escri/e% in the !S, there are some technical
/ack$roun% in N)-11A99 so chan$in$ !A an% &A shoul% /e a%%e% to the list, (his !S
"ocuses on one issue, 0er$er impact on the com/ine% 00 proce%ures specially G00
.here it .ill /e /ase% on &!C connection like GS0 an% not !!C like in GP&S
0ay/e call "or a oint meetin$ /ecause o" &11 ti$ht timin$,
Conclusion: (he !S is re;ise% to N)-11B)3
T0#* N1-99913 e+p#n+e t# the 8S #n 8#*ati#n !rea *#n*ept
3iscussion: Comments on terminolo$y C!A> C&A .hich .ere incorrectly use% in the
proposal .as chan$e%,
Some e%itorial chan$es is re@uire% (one or more routin$ ),
Conclusion: (he !S is re;ise% to N1-99915 .hich is a$ree%
T0#* N1-99!93 8S #n 83 Segmentati#n
Please "in% attache% t%oc N)-111:1> .hich is the .ork item Q!3 Se$mentation "easi/ility
stu%yR> currently /ein$ stu%ie% /y N),
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(he .ork item seeks to "in% a solution to the pro/lem cause% /y the !3 messa$e len$th
restriction o" 9:) octets cause% /y GS0 layer 9 in GS0 2=,2<,
A num/er o" solutions are /ein$ consi%ere% /y N)> t.o o" .hich are sho.n in the
attachment,
Ho.e;er "rom an N) perspecti;e the simplest solution .oul% /e to increase the 9:) octet
limit in layer 9, (his sol;es all the core net.ork pro/lems on this issue e#cept "or ho. to
han%le the /ack.ar%s compati/ility pro/lem,
7t is un%erstoo% /y N) in the past that there has /een some reluctance "or BSS e@uipment
manu"acturers to a$ree to this /ecause it .oul% mean up$ra%in$ all the e#istin$ Base
stations, Ho.e;er i" this is merely a so"t.are up$ra%e then as a result o" all the other
chan$es (GP&S> B3GB> C0(S) then it is likely that the BSS system .oul% /e up$ra%e%
"or &11 in any case,
S0G9 6PA are aske% to in%icate i" this 9:) octet limit in 2=,2< coul% /e increase% "or
&elease 11-
Assumin$ that S0G9 6PA can a$ree to this> then it .oul% seem sensi/le to %e"ine a ne.
messa$e len$th in GS0 to ali$n .ith the e@ui;alent C0(S limit in C(&AN,
&9 an%4or &3 are aske% .hat is the layer 3 messa$e len$th restriction in C(&AN-
Conclusion : !S .as a$ree% .ith some e%itorial corrections .hich is applie% in the a/o;e
te#t,
T0#* N1-99!92. C#mment+ #n T0#* N1-99!52. EC,ari$i*ati#n+ #n the management
#$ #,0 an0 ne6 T88(
A clean solution to a;oi% these (!!7 collision cases re@uires that the ol% P-(0S7 an% ol%
(!!7 ha;e /een %elete% on the 0S si%e /oth "or uplink an% %o.nlink usa$e (i,e, the ol%
(!!7 is no lon$er use% /y the 0S in the uplink an% no lon$er accepte% in the %o.nlink)>
/e"ore the SGSN re-uses this P-(0S7 "or another 0S> an% that the SGSN is in"orme%
.hen this %eletion has taken place "or /oth %irections,
6e propose to chan$e GS0 28,)8 accor%in$ly> an% to keep the han%lin$ currently
speci"ie% in GS0 2=,28> su/clause =,+,),:, A clari"ication in 2=,28 a/out the point in time
.hen the ol% P-(0S7 can /e re-use% /y the SGSN sa"ely mi$ht /e use"ul,
Conclusion: !S .ill /e pro%uce% proposal chan$es 28,)8 an% .e chan$e 2=,28 i" a$ree%
Attache% to !S N)-11A93,
T0#* N1-919 8S #n MS a0i# !**e++ Capabi,it; (/ *hange+ 0ue t# /DG/
(his !S is relate% to N)-11B)+ 0S &a%io Access Capa/ility 7B
(SG N) .oul% like to in"orm S0G9 6PA that it has re;ie.e% the C& to 9=,228 that
proposes chan$es to 0S &a%io Access Capa/ility 7B (see attache% N)-11B)+),
Also (SG N) .oul% like to in"orm S0G9 6PA that it en%orses the propose% chan$es,
3iscussion : it is a share% responsi/ility spec, so coul%nNt .e ust ask then it is 'G to %o
that> the ans.er .as it is a normal proce%ure,
Conclusion: A$ree%
T0#* N1-99919 Pr#p#+e0 8iai+#n+ Statement #n LMu,tip,e=ing #$ +e-era, NS!P(S
#nt# #ne 88C S!P
&elate% to N)-11B2),
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Conclusion :So N)-11B91 is a$ree%
T0#* N1-99935 8S #n /n*r;pti#n !,g#rithm (n$#rmati#n in '/ Capabi,it;
(he &AN class mark .ill /e loa%e% /y the mo/ile to the net.ork so they %o not nee% to
sen% /ack cipherin$ al$orithm to the CB .hich makes the CB capa/ility 7B useless,
Conclusion :6ith%ra.n,
N1-99931 8iai+#n Statement #n C,a++mark Sp,it
3iscussion: A pro/lem .ith C(&AN connecte% to a &18 0SC> shoul% it consi%er &18-
7" .e a$ree the re@uest "or 0SC an% terminal then .e shoul% a$ree the re@uirement "or
76F to &18 0SC, (hen the scenario o" the 76F shoul% /e remo;e% "rom the technical
report "or classmark "rom pre;ious meetin$s,
Conclusion: (his is re;ise% in N)-11B3=
T0#* N1-932 8iai+#n Statement #n C,a++mark Sp,it
3urin$ their meetin$ in 0akuhari> N) ha;e ma%e pro$ress .ith the C0(S release E11
.ork item QSeparation o" &a%io &esource (&&) an% 0o/ility 0ana$ement (00) speci"ic
parts o" the 0o/ile Station Classmark (0S C0)R,
N) .oul% like to in"orm &9> &3 an% S0G9 6PA a/out the .orkin$ assumptions on
.hich N) has a$ree% so "ar> an% to ask them "or $ui%ance .ith re$ar% to a "e. &AN
classmark an% han%o;er relate% issues, N) is a.are o" the "act that some o" the .orkin$
assumptions actually lie .ithin the area o" responsi/ility o" the other $roups, &9> &3 an%
S0G9 6PA are kin%ly aske% to con"irm these .orkin$ assumptions as propose% /y N)>
or to mo%i"y them i" this is consi%ere% as necessary, (he intention o" N) .as to in%icate
in this .ay .hich %ecisions /y the other $roups are nee%e% most ur$ently to /e a/le to
procee% .ith the .ork item,
Genera, prin*ip,e+ $#r the *,a++mark +p,it.
)) &a%io access net.ork technolo$y an% core net.ork technolo$y shoul% /e clearly
separate% in principle so that 00 protocol> .hich is "or CN> shoul% /e ra%io
in%epen%ent,
9) 0o/ile station capa/ility relate% to &AN an% CN nee% to /e set in %i""erent
parameters, 'nly CN relate% parameter shoul% /e present in 00 messa$e> an% ra%io
%epen%ent in"ormation shoul% not /e inclu%e% in 00 messa$es,
3) (o allo. easier roamin$ an% han%o;er /et.een C0(S an% GS0 "or GS04C0(S %ual
mo%e mo/ile stations> N) a$ree% to allo. an e#ception "rom principles ) an% 9 "or the
&AN relate% classmark in"ormation alrea%y speci"ie% "or GS0,
W#rking a++umpti#n+.
)) C0(S CN C0 .ill /e an e;olution o" GS0 0S C09> an% .ill /e store% in the
0SC,
(As GS0 0S C09 has $ot only "e. spare /its le"t> an e#tension .ill ha;e to /e %e"ine%,
(his .ill pro/a/ly /e %one /y intro%uction o" a ne. in"ormation element,)
9) Stora$e o" &AN C0 in"ormation:
0S C0 "or C(&AN .ill /e store% in the &AN,
GS0 &AN C0 (i,e, GS0 ra%io relate% in"ormation in 0S C09 an% C03) .ill /e store%
in the 0SC (as is %one no. in GS0),
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3) Structure o" &AN C0 in"ormation (sin$le &AN C0 or separate C0 "or each &AN-)
(his %ecision is le"t to &9> &3 an% S0G9 6PA> ho.e;er N) sees a%;anta$es "or a
mo%ular %esi$n .ith a separate C0 "or each &AN (e,$, possi/ility o" selecti;e
interro$ation o" the %ata o" only those other &ANs that are really nee%e%A in%epen%ent
e;olution o" C0 in"ormation elements> especially as %i""erent &ANs are stan%ar%ise% /y
%i""erent $roups,)
=) Criteria "or a GS04C0(S %ual mo%e 0S to sen% %i""erent CN 4 &AN C0
in"ormation:
7n a sin$le mo%e net.ork: CN C0 is sent al.ays an% the &AN C0 /ase% on the ser;in$
&AN,
7n a multimo%e net.ork> a%%itionally the &AN C0 "or the other &AN nee%s to /e
kno.n, N) coul% not reach a "inal conclusion .hether the 0S shoul% sen% this
in"ormation al.ays> or only a"ter a %o.nlink in%ication or an en@uiry /y the net.ork, 7n
the latter case> is it the &NC4BSS or the 0SC .hich initiates the en@uiry- 7n the case o"
0S C03> is it transporte% throu$h the C(&AN in && or 00 messa$es-
N) .oul% like to ask &9> &3 an% S0G9 6PA "or their opinion on this matter, (Possi/le
scenarios to /e consi%ere% "or the ans.er are not only inter-system han%o;er /et.een
GS0 an% C0(S> /ut also su/-se@uent han%o;er an% inter-system han%o;er, Possi/le
net.ork con"i$urations are C(&AN an% GS0 &AN connecte% to a release E11 0SC> an%
GS0 &AN connecte% to a GS0 release E11 0SC,)
N) is preparin$ a technical report on the classmark split an% nee%s the ans.ers "rom &9>
&3 an% S0G9 6PA to procee% .ith the .ork, 'ne o" the ne#t tasks o" N) .ill /e to
create a list o" the !3 messa$es in .hich the CN C0 in"ormation is to /e sent> an% a list
o" the messa$es in .hich the &AN C0 in"ormation is to /e sent,
Conclusion: A$ree%
8S $r#m N3-99112 8S #n 3g 7312M
!S "rom the oint meetin$ CN) F CN3 on )=,1,11
7n or%er to spee% up the pro$ress on the CS multime%ia> an% resol;e the relate% issues to
Call Control proce%ures an% Bearer Capa/ilities> (SG-N) an% (SG-N3 are currently
ha;in$ a oint meetin$ in 0akuhari - Mapan,
Here/y> N)4N3 .oul% like to in"orm (SG-S) an% (SG-S9 a/out the "ollo.in$ %ecisions
esta/lishe% as .orkin$ assumptions in these $roups:
 3G-H,39=0 as %e"ine% in 7(C-( H,39= Anne# C> an% mo%i"ie% as in (S 9<,))) is
reco$nise% as the multime%ia system "or the CS %omain in release 11,
 3G-H,39=0 is %e"ine% as Bearer Ser;ice in 3GPP, (he 9=,228 Bearer Capa/ility .ill
/e enhance% to in%icate the properties o" the Bearer Ser;ice (can%i%ate BS32) an%
H,9934H9=:,
(hese %ecisions are estimate% to allo. the completion o" multime%ia call speci"ication
sta$e 3 in time "or &elease 11,
3iscussion: CN) shoul% %e"ine these rates, 39 G is "or "urther stu%y, 7" 6e a$ree%> 98,8 G
is open
(he main thin$ .hat kin% o" %ata you .ant an% .hich protocol is runnin$ (H##)> 39 is
minimum /ut .hy re@uirin$ 99,8
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Conclusion: &e;ise% to N1-99!9:, .hich is a$ree% an% re;ise% /y N3 an% a$ree% too, 7t
.as sent to (SG-S) an% (SG-S9
: !34393
None
$losing o' the %eeting
'n Fri%ay )+
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o" Septem/er> )+:32P0
(he chairman thanke% the %ele$ates an% .ishe% them sa"e ourney home,
6e ha;enNs seen anythin$ "rom Mapan apart "rom the hotel an% the Fuitsu /uil%in$ %ue to
one %ay spent in oint meetin$ an% still more than 922 %ocuments /ein$ treate% %urin$ the
lon$ hours o" the .eek,
Anne1 A
8i+t #$ Parti*ipant+
0iss Ban Al -Bakri B(S7 B(S7 3GPP'&G5&BP Z33 = 19
1= =3 21 Z33 = 13 <: 98 )+ /an,al/akri?etsi,"r
0r, &ichar% Brook !ucent (echnolo$ies N, S, CG B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z==
)+13 +3<)8: Z== )+13 8838): r/31?lucent,com
0r, Ua;ier Com/y A!CA(B! France B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z33 ) 32
++ =) =: Z33 ) 32 ++ 89 +< #a;ier,com/y?alcatel,"r
0s, Sonia 3oshi N'&(B! NB(6'&GS (BC&'PB) B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z) 1+9
<8: :))2 Z) 1+9 <8= 3++: s%oshi?nortelnet.orks,com
0r, Peter B%lun% B&7CSS'N !,0, B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z=< 8
+:+ 91)= Z=< 8 +:) <198 peter,e%lun%?era,ericsson,se
0r, &ouD/eh Farhouman% Bricsson 7nc, () 3GPP0B0BB& Z) 1+9
:83 82<) Z) 1+9 <== 323<
rouD/eh,"arhouman%?ericsson,com
0r, 0ark Fenton B&7CSS'N !,0, B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z== )
9:< 8<= 3+< Z== ) 9:< 8<= 32+ mark,"enton?eml,ericsson,se
0r, &olan% Gru/er S7B0BNS AG B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z=1 81
+99 =<319 Z=1 81 +99 9:)<+ rolan%,$ru/er?mch,siemens,%e
0r, Hannu Hietalahti N'G7A Corporation B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z3:8 =2
:29 )+9= Z3:8 )2 :2: +111 hannu,hietalahti?nokia,com
0r, Per Mohan Mor$ensen B&7CSS'N !,0, B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z=+ 3+2
:)2 +< Z=+ 3+2 :)9 92 etop?eto,ericsson,se
0r, Y%ra;ko Mukic B&7CSS'N !,0, B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z=1
9=2+ :+: 3=1 Z=1 9=2+ :+: =++ D%ra;ko,ukic?ee%,ericsson,se
0r, Hiroshi Ganno Fuitsu !imite% ((C 3GPP0B0BB& Z8) ==
+:= 8<=8 Z8) == +:= 8:2+ kanno?mc.s,ts,"uitsu,co,p
0r, (imo Gauhanen N'G7A Corporation B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z3:8 1
:)) <1<88 Z3:8 1 :))9 19:3 (imo,kauhanen?ntc,nokia,com
0r, 0ikko Gorpela N'G7A Corporation B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z3:8 )2
:2: +38: Z3:8 )2 :2: +999 mikko,korpela?nokia,com
0r, B%$ar !ycksell (B!7A AB B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z=< <1)
<)2 8: Z=< <1) <)2 1: e%$ar,A,lycksell?telia,se
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0r, Arne !yDen$a 0A(SCSH7(A C'00CN7CA(7'N B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z==
)<3: 8+) =<< Z== )<3: 8+< 2:1 arne,lyDen$a?mci,co,uk
0r, 3a;i% 0c3onal% 3'!PH7N (B!BC'00CN7CA(7'NS B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z==
+882 +89 819 Z== )9:< =+= :3+ %a;i%mc%onal%?%olphin-
telecom,co,uk
0r, Manne 0uhonen N'G7A Corporation B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z3:8 1
:))9 3312 Z3:8 1 :))9 392+ anne,muhonen?nokia,com
0r, Hiroki Nakamura NBC Corporation ((C 3GPP0B0BB& Z8) =+)
8: <1:) Z8) =+) 8: <1<2 nakamura?els",ncos,nec,co,p
0r, 0arko (apani Niemi N'G7A Corporation B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z3:8
)2: 2:) Z3:8 )2: 2:+929 marko,t,niemi?nokia,com
0r, (imo Perala Nokia Mapan ((C 3GPP0B0BB& Z8) 3
::)2 2122 Z8) 3 ::)2 282) timo,k,perala?nokia,com
0r, A%el &ouD FCM7(SC Burope (elecom & F 3 C B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z== )8)
<2< ==+: Z== )8) :+3 3<29 a,rouD?"uitsu,co,uk
0r, 0ohan Si;anan%an N'G7A Corporation B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z3:8 =2
+23 8)<: Z3:8 1 =3+< <8:2
mohan,si;anan%an?research,nokia,com
0r, Arnau% (hierry A!CA(B! France B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z33 2)
::<< 3393 Z33 2) ::<< ==:2 thierry?art,alcatel,"r
0s, 0onica 6i";esson B&7CSS'N !,0, B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z=< =<
)13<3= Z=< =< )13398
0onica,6i";esson?ecs,ericsson,se
0r, 0asahiko Xaha$i NBC Corporation ((C 3GPP0B0BB& Z8) =+)
8: +)<) Z8) =+) 8: <8<9 yamasa?m;c,/i$lo/e,ne,p
0r, Fumihiko Xokota Fuitsu !imite% ((C 3GPP0B0BB& Z8) ==
+:= <13< Z8) == +:= =)=8 yokota?ss,ts,"uitsu,co,p
3r, &o/ert Yaus S7B0BNS AG B(S7 3GPP0B0BB& Z=1 81
+99 9<811 Z=1 81 +99 <9<<) ro/ert,Daus?icn,siemens,%e
S!inori Nis"ie M#$ss"i$# Co!!nic#$ion Inds$ri#%
Co.&L$d.'P#n#sonic()*1-+,*-+--.2/0
S!inori.Nis"ie12rp.!ci.!ei.co.3p
Anne1 2
!ist o" a$ree% C&s
N)-11 (itle Spec C& &e; Source
A11 Clari"ication on multiple#in$ o"
se;eral NSAP7S onto one !!C
SAP7
23,<2 C& A)+2
r9
&1+ Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
B22 Clari"ication on multiple#in$ o"
se;eral NSAP7S onto one !!C
SAP7
23,<2 C& A)+)
r9
&18 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
119 A%%ition o" !!-S(A(CS57N3 2=,2+ C& A23) &1+ 0atsushita
Communication
7n%ustrial CG
(Panasonic)4
Arne !yDen$a
A:) A%%ition o" !!-S(A(CS57N3 2=,2+ C& A239 &18 0atsushita
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r) Communication
7n%ustrial CG
(Panasonic)4
Arne !yDen$a
132 C& clash in sec, =,+,3,9,< 2=,28 C& A811 &1+ Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
A3+ C& clash in sec, =,+,3,9,< 2=,28 C& A12)
r)
&18 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
133 C& clash in sec, =,+,3,9,3,9 an%
=,+,:,9,3,9
2=,28 C& A123 &1+ Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
13= C& clash in sec, =,+,3,9,3,9 an%
=,+,:,9,3,9
2=,28 C& A12: &18 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
A31 (39)9 restart a"ter &AC reect 2=,28 C& A12+
r)
&1+ Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
A=2 (39)9 restart a"ter &AC reect 2=,28 C& A121
r)
&18 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
131 Ne. State G00-
&BG7S(B&B3,70S7-3B(ACH-
7N7(7A(B3
2=,28 C& A1)) &1+ Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
1=2 Ne. State G00-
&BG7S(B&B3,70S7-3B(ACH-
7N7(7A(B3
2=,28 C& A1)3 &18 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
1=: 3eacti;ate AA P3P conte#t
re@uest messa$e
2=,28 C& A1): &1+ Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
1=< 3eacti;ate AA P3P conte#t
re@uest messa$e
2=,28 C& A1)+ &18 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
B9< Co%in$ Scheme in Net.ork Name
7B
2=,28 C& A1)1
r9
&1+ Siemens4 &olan%
B9+ Co%in$ Scheme in Net.ork Name
7B
2=,28 C& A19)
r9
&18 Siemens4 &olan%
Gru/er
A8: (39)9 restart a"ter GP&S %etach 2=,28 C& A13) &1+ Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
A8< (39)9 restart a"ter GP&S %etach 2=,28 C& A133 &18 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
B9: Co%in$ Scheme in Net.ork Name
7B
2=,28 C& A13: &1< Siemens4 &olan%
Gru/er
1<= !ost U73 &esponse 2=,<= C& A218 &1+ 0otorola 4
Hans Petter Naper
1<: !ost U73 &esponse 2=,<= C& A211 &18 0otorola 4
Hans Petter Naper
1<< !ost U73 &esponse 2=,<= C& A)22 &11 0otorola 4
Hans Petter Naper
A=9 Clari"ication on the /eha;iour o" 2=,<= C& A)2) &1+ Siemens 4
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an unuse% SAP r) &olan% Gru/er
A=3 Clari"ication on the /eha;iour o"
an unuse% SAP
2=,<= C& A)29
r)
&18 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
A== Clari"ication on the /eha;iour o"
an unuse% SAP
2=,<= C& A)23
r)
&11 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
A1: Clari"ication on the (!!7 assi$n>
chan$e an% un-assi$n proce%ure
2=,<= C& A)2=
r)
&1+ Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
B2: Clari"ication on the (!!7 assi$n>
chan$e an% un-assi$n proce%ure
2=,<= C& A)2:
r9
&18 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
A1+ Clari"ication on the (!!7 assi$n>
chan$e an% un-assi$n proce%ure
2=,<= C& A)2<
r)
&11 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
18= Assi$nment o" multiple (!!7
;alues
2=,<= C& A)2+ &1+ 0atsushita
Communication
7n%ustrial CG
(Panasonic)4
Arne !yDen$a
18: Assi$nment o" multiple (!!7
;alues
2=,<= C& A)28 &18 0atsushita
Communication
7n%ustrial CG
(Panasonic)4
Arne !yDen$a
A=< Failure o" !ayer-3 U73
ne$otiation in A30 mo%e
2=,<= C& A)21
r)
&1+ 0atsushita
Communication
7n%ustrial CG
(Panasonic)4
Arne !yDen$a
A:3 Failure o" !ayer-3 U73
ne$otiation in A30 mo%e
2=,<= C& A))2
r)
&18 0atsushita
Communication
7n%ustrial CG
(Panasonic)4
Arne !yDen$a
A=1 Assi$nment o" multiple (!!7
;alues
2=,<= C& A))) &11 0atsushita
Communication
7n%ustrial CG
(Panasonic)4
Arne !yDen$a
A:2 Failure o" !ayer-3 U73
ne$otiation in A30 mo%e
2=,<= C& A))9 &11 0atsushita
Communication
7n%ustrial CG
(Panasonic)4
Arne !yDen$a
1<2 U73 Ne$otiation 3urin$ P3P
Conte#t 3eacti;ation an%
0o%i"ication
2=,<: C& A2=9 &1+ 0otorola 4
Hans Petter Naper
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Conte#t 3eacti;ation an%
0o%i"ication
2=,<: C& A2== &18 0otorola 4
Hans Petter Naper
A=+ Failure o" !ayer-3 U73
ne$otiation
2=,<: C& A2:)
r)
&1+ 0atsushita
Communication
7n%ustrial CG
(Panasonic)4
Arne !yDen$a
A=8 Failure o" !ayer-3 U73
ne$otiation
2=,<: C& A2:9
r)
&18 0atsushita
Communication
7n%ustrial CG
(Panasonic)4
Arne !yDen$a
1+< K,=9 /is compression 2=,<: C& A2:: &1+ Bricsson 4
0onica 6i";esson
11: K,=9 /is compression 2=,<: C& A2:< &18 Bricsson 4
0onica 6i";esson
A+1 B#plicit 70S7 %etach> a/normal
case SGSN si%e
21,)8 C& A23< &1+ Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
A82 B#plicit 70S7 %etach> a/normal
case SGSN si%e
21,)8 C& A23+ &18 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
B)8 %ue to asymmetry "or BCS3 93,23= C& 22)
r)
&11 Nokia
Shkum/in Hamiti
B2) Clari"ication on multiple#in$ o"
se;eral NSAP7S onto one !!C
SAP7
93,2<2 C& 2):
r9
&11 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
A:9 A%%ition o" !!-S(A(CS57N3 9=,22+ C& 229
r)
&11 0atsushita
Communication
7n%ustrial CG
(Panasonic)4
Arne !yDen$a
B)< %ue to asymmetry "or BCS3 9=,228 C& 2)=
r)
&11 Nokia
Shkum/in Hamiti
B29 A%%ition o" Access Point Name in
&e@uest P3P Conte#t Acti;ation
messa$e
9=,228 C& 2)8
r)
&11 N(( 3oCo0o 4
Goshimi
A38 C& clash in sec, =,+,3,9,< 9=,228 C& 2)1
r)
&11 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
13: C& clash in sec, =,+,3,9,3,9 an%
=,+,:,9,3,9
9=,228 C& 292 &11 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
A=) (39)9 restart a"ter &AC reect 9=,228 C& 29)
r)
&11 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
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1=) Ne. State G00-
&BG7S(B&B3,70S7-3B(ACH-
7N7(7A(B3
9=,228 C& 299 &11 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
1=+ 3eacti;ate AA P3P conte#t
re@uest messa$e
9=,228 C& 293 &11 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
B98 Co%in$ Scheme in Net.ork Name
7B
9=,228 C& 29=
r9
&11 Siemens4 &olan%
Gru/er
B)+ 0S &A37' ACCBSS
CAPAB7!7(X 7B 3CB (' B3GB
9=,228 C& 298
r)
&11 Nokia 4
;eio,;anttinen
A8+ (39)9 restart a"ter GP&S %etach 9=,228 C& 23) &11 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
B2< U73 Ne$otiation 3urin$ P3P
Conte#t 3eacti;ation an%
0o%i"ication
9=,2<: C& 22= &11 0otorola 4
Hans Petter Naper
A:< Failure o" !ayer-3 U73
ne$otiation
9=,2<: C& 228 &11 0atsushita
Communication
7n%ustrial CG
(Panasonic)4
Arne !yDen$a
A:+ K,=9 /is compression 9=,2<: C& 221 &11 Bricsson 4
0onica 6i";esson
A8) B#plicit 70S7 %etach> a/normal
case SGSN si%e
91,2)8 C& 229 &11 Siemens 4
&olan% Gru/er
Anne1 $
!ist o" a$ree% an% sent !iaison Statements
(%oc
Num/er
(itle From (o
N)-11A93 clari"ications on ol% an% ne.
(!!7s
N) S0G9 6PA
S0G3 6PA
N)-11A9= !iaison Statement on "reeDin$ o"
&1+ an% &18
N) S0G9 6PA> (SGN9> (SGN3>
(SGN
S0G+
N)-11A88 !S on CBS Functionality an%
&esponsi/ility
N) S0G9> S0G=> (9> &9> &3
S)> S9> N9> &)
N)-11A13 !3 0essa$e Se$mentation>
"easi/ility stu%y
N) S0G9 6PA
&AN9> &AN3
N)-11A18 !S on 3$ H39=0 Moint (SG-N) 4
(SG-N3
meetin$
(SG-S) an% (SG-S9
(SG-S=> (SG-N9
7 sen% this !S an% not 3a;i%
N)-11B): !S a/out Si$nallin$ N) (SG-( 6G9
(3> S)> S9> S3> S=> N9> N3
3GPP TSG-CN-WG1, Meeting #7
13-17 September 1999
Makuhari, Japan
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2
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N)-11B)1 !S on 0S &a%io Access
Capa/ility 7B chan$es %ue to
B3GB
N) !S out to S0G9 "or share%
responsi/ility
N)-11B92 !S on !ocation Area concept N) (SG S9> (SG CN> &AN3
&AN9
N)-11B91 !iaisons Statement on
I0ultiple#in$ o" se;eral NSAP7S
onto one !!C SAP
N) (SG SA 6G9
N)-11B33 &esponse to !S on
Ser;ice4Baseline 7mplementation
Capa/ilities
N) (SG-( 6G9
(SG-SA 6G)> (SG-CN 6G9>
CN 6G9 SS-a%hoc> (SG-CN
6G3
N)-11B3= !S on Classmark split N) (SG-&AN 6G9> 6G3> S0G9
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