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WI THOUT PREJ UDI CE
Mr V. Putin, President Russian federation 23-8-2014
23, Ilyinka Street, Moscow, 103132, Russia.
Via; http://eng.letters.kremlin.ru/ 5

Cc: President of Ukraine Mr Petro Poroshenko

Mr Tony Abbott MP C/o josh.frydenberg.mp@aph.gov.au
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Pieter Jaap Aalbersberg, head of the repatriation mission

Ivo Opstelten Minister of Security and Justice

Mark Rutte Prime Minister, Minister of General Affairs Via; http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/contact 15

Datuk Azharuddin Abdul Rahman (DCA) director-general
DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL AVIATION, MALAYSIA
No. 27 Persiaran Perdana Aras 1-4 Blok Podium, 62618 Putrajaya
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Re Violation of Ukraine sovereignity-MH17 versus Titanic -etc
Sir,
while I have little knowledge as to what is carried by the trucks allegedly claimed for
humanitarian purposes, it was of concern to me that it was shown a truck contained less than one
pallet load of items in it. Ordinary such conduct may be taken as there being a hidden 30
compartment or a falls wall where weapons, etc, may be hidden.
The danger also is that the Russian Federation by pushing through with its trucks in my view in
violation of Ukraine sovereignty, it may rather push Ukrainians to amend its constitution in a
referendum as to not only have it joining the EU (European Union) but in fact to allow it to have
a NATO base in Ukraine. As such, escalating the dispute may just achieve that the Russian 35
Federation would like the least to have eventuating.

http://eng.news.kremlin.ru/transcripts/22701
QUOTE
Statement by President of Russia Vladimir Putin 40
July 21, 2014, 01:40 Novo-Ogaryovo, Moscow Region
VLADIMIR PUTIN: In response to the terrible tragedy that took place over Donetsk, I want to
reiterate Russia’s position with regard to the current situation in Ukraine.
We have called repeatedly on all parties to the conflict to stop the bloodshed immediately and
begin negotiations. I believe that if military operations had not resumed in eastern Ukraine on June 45
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At the same time, no one should and no one has the right to use this tragedy to pursue their own
political goals. Rather than dividing us, tragedies of this sort should bring people together. All those
who are responsible for the situation in the region must take greater responsibility before their own
peoples and before the peoples of the countries whose citizens were killed in this disaster.
Everything possible must be done to ensure that international experts can work in safety at the 5
crash site. Representatives from the Donbass region, Donetsk, Ukraine’s Emergency Situations
Ministry, and Malaysian experts are already working at the site, but this is not enough.
It is essential that a full-fledged group of experts under ICAO aegis, an appropriate international
commission set up for the task, be able to work at the crash site. We must do everything possible to
ensure their complete and guaranteed safety and provide them with the humanitarian corridors they 10
need for their work.
For its part, Russia will do everything within its power to move the conflict in eastern
Ukraine from the military phase we see today to the negotiating phase, with the parties
using peaceful and diplomatic means alone.
July 21, 2014, 01:40Novo-Ogaryovo, Moscow Region 15
END QUOTE

If some other country were to drive its trucks in to the Russian Federation without your consent I
doubt you would accept that.
You cannot apply DOUBLE STANDARDS that you demand your sovereign rights to deal with 20
Chechnya, Georgia and other places as being an internal matter yet do not apply the same when it
concerns Ukraine.

I have in the past indicated that you are in my view playing a dangerous game that may very well
be the beginning of the end of the Russian federation, as those who are not fighting against 25
Ukraine soon or later may be ousted and then start to do the same within the Russian federation,
compliments of the training, weapons, etc, they reportedly had from the Russian Federation.
As I alluded to previously it would be much better had you put your efforts in supporting the so
called Russian backed separatist in litigation before the Ukraine constitutional court. If you had
followed that suggestion then the so called civil war that is going on within Ukraine could have 30
there and then be stopped. Then no human misery may have continued and neither any
humanitarian support.

I have also concern as to what appears to be a flood of disinformation from RT (Russian times)
etc. there have been reports that MH17 really was MH370, but I have downloaded numerous 35
details that Identify parts of the plane and which Malaysian Airway can check being parts of
MH17.
I have also found numerous round holes as was claimed to exist (Russian times articles) and
reproduced below a particular image showing rows of round holes.
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The following panel used by alleged experts pilots (also used on Russian Times) to indicate that
MH17 was shot down, as it purports to show bullet holes I have marked some holes where
clearly it are rivet hols nothing to do with bullet holes. 5




The rear of this panel shows rivets 10



The blue arrow indicates one of the brackets where the panel was riveted upon.



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The following panels parts shows how the holes are on certain distances indicating rivet holes,
with one hole caused likely by shrapnel.


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The above part of a panel clearly shows rivets in the beam while the red/blue panel was ripped 10
loose.
The panel below shows how the panels were ripped from their row of rivets and also concerning
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Below I have reproduced a panel parts where one can see the shear in the material (that I view is
logic even if the plane hit the ground as it did) and again rivet holes where the rivets gave way.
Also the blue arrows shows rivets popped and green arrow where the panel sheared off, and the
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Below picture is claimed to be showing how the Titanic was doomed due to weak rivets. And it
appears to me that perhaps panels where rivets are used must be thicker to compensate for the
loss of strength in the panel to avoid the shearing of panels. Also, that the rivet heads may be too 5
small, and allows by this easy break up of a plane when stresses are caused upon it. Once some
rivets are pulled through the panel then the rest will let go also as the force then becomes too
much for the next rivet, and so on. As such, as was deemed to have been with the Titanic that
once one rivet let go then the next one did, and on and on it went. As such we seem to have seen
the Titanic rivet problem to some degree similarly eventuating in MH17. 10
What this has established (in my view) is that when the panels are rolled the panels must be
rolled thicker around the rivet area to compensate for the loss of strength in the area due to the
holes being in it, and also the rivets must be of a stronger material and the heads larger to prevent
the heads being pulled through the panels. Because I was trained as a Turner and fitter and was in
maintenance of factories (before entering management) I had to deal with breakdowns and as 15
such the moment I became aware of the allegations of the bullet holes I realised we had a lot of
fools out there going along what seemed to be nothing more but rivet holes.
In my view Having alleged pilots and the Russian Times purporting the holes are 30 mm bullet
holes is utter and sheer nonsense and also rather may be seen as deliberate disinformation issued
by the Russian Federation. What we therefore have is that the Russian Federation for a short time 20
may have reflected blame upon the Ukrainian air force but once people become aware they were
used like fools to accept rivet holes as being allegedly bullet holes then they will likely question
why would the Russian Federation have supported this disinformation through the Russian times,
etc, and now by this have placed itself (credibility, etc) into question
You do not build a credibility with allowing/supporting disinformation. In my view the Russian 25
Federation would have done better to refute disinformation and have denounced it also.
A so to say short term gain in the long run may now be more serious. The same where allegedly
the leader of the Russian backed separatist claimed the bodies were drained of blood and long
dead. This now is also disproven where already many bodies were identified of those who
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QUOTE
Using ship parts and sample steel from the underwater wreckage of the Titanic, a team of metallurgists
and naval architects tested the integrity of these materials. Initial test revealed that the steel used for
the hull passed the standards of that era. The investigating team narrowed their focus to the rivets 5
that were used to hold together the steel hull. Titanic needed 3,000,000 rivets to piece together the outer
hull made of three centimeter-thick steel plates. Investigators found out that the rivets were not made
of pure steel. The rivets were formed by means of melting metal slugs with steel, thereby, weakening
the integrity of the rivets.
10
Had the rivets were not compromised, the hull could have withstand 14,000 pounds of impact. The
naval engineers replicated the rivets used in the Titanic. After producing the replica of the rivets, the
investigators tested them and they snapped just after applying 7,000 pounds of pressure.
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QUOTE
In Weak Rivets, a Possible Key to Titanic’s Doom
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Smithsonian
Titanic, left, and Olympic sit next to one another in a double gantry while under construction.
By WILLIAM J. BROAD
Published: April 15, 2008
Researchers have discovered that the builder of the Titanic struggled for years to obtain enough good rivets 25
and riveters and ultimately settled on faulty materials that doomed the ship, which sank 96 years ago Tuesday.
Multimedia
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Not So Unsinkable
Related
Times Topics: Titanic
From The Archives 5
Faulty Rivets Emerge as Clues To Titanic Disaster (January 27, 1998)
Toppling Theories, Scientists Find 6 Slits, Not Big Gash, Sank Titanic (April 8, 1987)
Thrilling Tale by Titanic's Surviving Wireless Man (April 28, 1912) (PDF)
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The builder’s own archives, two scientists say, harbor evidence of a deadly mix of low quality rivets and lofty
ambition as the builder labored to construct the three biggest ships in the world at once — the Titanic and two
sisters, the Olympic and the Britannic.
For a decade, the scientists have argued that the storied liner went down fast after hitting an iceberg because
the ship’s builder used substandard rivets that popped their heads and let tons of icy seawater rush in. More 15
than 1,500 people died.
When the safety of the rivets was first questioned 10 years ago, the builder ignored the accusation and said it
did not have an archivist who could address the issue.
Now, historians say new evidence uncovered in the archive of the builder, Harland and Wolff, in Belfast,
Northern Ireland, settles the argument and finally solves the riddle of one of the most famous sinkings of all 20
time. The company says the findings are deeply flawed.
Each of the great ships under construction required three million rivets that acted like glue to hold everything
together. In a new book, the scientists say the shortages peaked during the Titanic’s construction.
“The board was in crisis mode,” one of the authors, Jennifer Hooper McCarty, who studied the archives, said
in an interview. “It was constant stress. Every meeting it was, ‘There’s problems with the rivets and we need 25
to hire more people.’ ”
Apart from the archives, the team gleaned clues from 48 rivets recovered from the hulk of the Titanic,
modern tests and computer simulations. They also compared metal from the Titanic with other metals from
the same era, and looked at documentation about what engineers and shipbuilders of that era considered state
of the art. 30
The scientists say the troubles began when its ambitious building plans forced Harland and Wolff to reach
beyond its usual suppliers of rivet iron and include smaller forges, as disclosed in company and British
government papers. Small forges tended to have less skill and experience.
Adding to the problem, in buying iron for the Titanic’s rivets, the company ordered No. 3 bar, known as
“best” — not No. 4, known as “best-best,” the scientists found. Shipbuilders of the day typically used No. 4 35
iron for anchors, chains and rivets, they discovered.
So the liner, whose name was meant to be synonymous with opulence, in at least one instance relied on
cheaper materials.
Many of the rivets studied by the scientists — recovered from the Titanic’s resting place two miles down in
the North Atlantic by divers over two decades — were found to be riddled with high concentrations of slag. 40
A glassy residue of smelting, slag can make rivets brittle and prone to fracture.
“Some material the company bought was not rivet quality,” said the other author of the book, Timothy
Foecke of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, a federal agency in Gaithersburg, Md.
The company also faced shortages of skilled riveters, the archives showed. Dr. McCarty said that for a half
year, from late 1911 to April 1912, when the Titanic set sail, the company’s board discussed the problem at 45
every meeting. For instance, on Oct. 28, 1911, Lord William Pirrie, the company’s chairman, expressed
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In their research, the scientists, who are metallurgists, found that good riveting took great skill. The iron had
to be heated to a precise cherry red color and beaten by the right combination of hammer blows. Mediocre
work could hide problems.
“Hand riveting was tricky,” said Dr. McCarty, whose doctoral thesis at Johns Hopkins University analyzed
the Titanic’s rivets. 5
Steel beckoned as a solution. Shipbuilders of the day were moving from iron to steel rivets, which were
stronger. And machines could install them, improving workmanship.
The rival Cunard line, the scientists found, had switched to steel rivets years before, using them, for instance,
throughout the Lusitania.
The scientists discovered that Harland and Wolff also used steel rivets — but only on the Titanic’s central 10
hull, where stresses were expected to be greatest. Iron rivets were chosen for the stern and bow.
And the bow, as fate would have it, is where the iceberg struck. Studies of the wreck show that six seams
opened up in the ship’s bow plates. And the damage, Dr. Foecke noted, “ends close to where the rivets
transition from iron to steel.”
The scientists argue that better rivets would have probably kept the Titanic afloat long enough for rescuers to 15
arrive before the icy plunge, saving hundreds of lives.
The researchers make their case, and detail their archive findings, in “What Really Sank the Titanic” (Citadel
Press).
Reactions run from anger to admiration. James Alexander Carlisle, whose grandfather was a Titanic riveter,
has bluntly denounced the rivet theory on his Web site. “No way!” Mr. Carlisle writes. 20
For its part, Harland and Wolff, after its long silence, now rejects the charge. “There was nothing wrong with
the materials,” Joris Minne, a company spokesman, said last week. Mr. Minne noted that one of the sister
ships, the Olympic, sailed without incident for 24 years, until retirement. (The Britannic sank in 1916 after
hitting a mine.)
David Livingstone, a former Harland and Wolff official, called the book’s main points misleading. Mr. 25
Livingstone said big shipyards often had to scramble. On a recent job, he noted, Harland and Wolff had to
look to Romania to find welders.
Mr. Livingstone also called the slag evidence painfully circumstantial, saying no real proof linked the hull
opening to bad rivets. “It’s only waffle,” he said of the team’s arguments.
But a naval historian praised the book as solving a mystery that has baffled investigators for nearly a century. 30
“It’s fascinating,” said Tim Trower, who reviews books for the Titanic Historical Society, a private group in
Indian Orchard, Mass. “This puts in the final nail in the arguments and explains why the incident was so
dramatically bad.”
The Titanic had every conceivable luxury: cafes, squash courts, a swimming pool, Turkish baths, a
barbershop and three libraries. Its owners also bragged about its safety. In a brochure, the White Star Line 35
described the ship as “designed to be unsinkable.”
On her inaugural voyage, on the night of April 14, 1912, the ship hit the iceberg around 11:40 p.m. and sank
in a little more than two and a half hours. Most everyone assumed the iceberg had torn a huge gash in the
starboard hull.
The discovery in 1985 of the Titanic wreck began many new inquiries. In 1996, an expedition found, beneath 40
obscuring mud, not a large gash but six narrow slits where bow plates appeared to have parted. Naval experts
suspected that rivets had popped along the seams, letting seawater rush in under high pressure.
A specialist in metal fracture, Dr. Foecke got involved in 1997, analyzing two salvaged rivets. He was
astonished to find about three times more slag than occurs in modern wrought iron.
In early 1998, he and a team of marine forensic experts announced their rivet findings, calling them tentative. 45
Dr. Foecke, in addition to working at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, also taught and
lectured part time at Johns Hopkins. There he met Dr. McCarty, who got hooked on the riddle, as did her
thesis adviser.
The team acquired rivets from salvors who pulled up hundreds of artifacts from the sunken liner. The
scientists also collected old iron of the era — including some from the Brooklyn Bridge — to make 50
comparisons. The new work seemed only to bolster the bad-rivet theory.
In 2003, after graduating from Johns Hopkins, Dr. McCarty traveled to England and located the Harland and
Wolff archives at the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland, in Belfast.
She also explored the archives of the British Board of Trade, which regulated shipping and set material
standards, and of Lloyd’s of London, which set shipbuilding standards. And she worked at Oxford University 55
and obtained access to its libraries.
What emerged was a picture of a company stretched to the limit as it struggled to build the world’s three
biggest ships simultaneously. Dr. McCarty also found evidence of complacency. For instance, the Board of
Trade gave up testing iron for shipbuilding in 1901 because it saw iron metallurgy as a mature field, unlike
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Dr. McCarty said she enjoyed telling middle and high school students about the decade of rivet forensics, as
well as the revelations from the British archives.
“They get really excited,” she said. “That’s why I love the story. People see it and get mesmerized.”
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THRILLING TALE BY TITANIC'S SURVIVING
WIRELESS MAN; Bride Tells How He and Phillips 10
Worked and How He Dealt with a Stoker Who Tried
to Steal Phillips's Life Belt -- Titanic's Band Played
"Autumn" as She Went Down.
By HAROLD BRIDE. Surviving Wireless Operator of the Titanic. ();
April 28, 1912, 15
, Section Special Section on the Titanic Disaster, Page SS7, Column , words
[ DISPLAYING ABSTRACT ]
IN the first place, the public should not blame anybody because more wireless
messages about the disaster to the Titanic did not reach shore from the Carpathia. I
positively refused send press dispatches because the bulk of personal messages with 20
touching words of grief was so large.
END QUOTE

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Yesterday morning I watched with great interest a National Geographic Channel feature on the sinking of the
Titanic. By using current-day technology, NATGEO followed naval investigators to uncover the reason
behind the sinking of the ‘ship that even God cannot sink’. Titanic sunk because the hull was ruptured after it
collided with an iceberg. 30
However, there were sectors who speculated that the Titanic was capable to survive a collision of such
magnitude had certain technical and engineering specifications were followed. The theory: Titanic sunk
because it used sub-standard materials. Experts were asked to give their expert opinion on this infamous sea
accident.
They ruled out pinning the fault to a single person or a group persons for the sinking of Titanic. The two ship 35
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was pitch dark and it was quite impossible to see the iceberg from a distance. Even binoculars were deemed
useless to spot the impending danger that lay ahead of the Titanic.
Using ship parts and sample steel from the underwater wreckage of the Titanic, a team of metallurgists and
naval architects tested the integrity of these materials. Initial test revealed that the steel used for the hull
passed the standards of that era. The investigating team narrowed their focus to the rivets that were used to 5
hold together the steel hull. Titanic needed 3,000,000 rivets to piece together the outer hull made of three
centimeter-thick steel plates. Investigators found out that the rivets were not made of pure steel. The rivets
were formed by means of melting metal slugs with steel, thereby, weakening the integrity of the rivets.
Had the rivets were not compromised, the hull could have withstand 14,000 pounds of impact. The naval
engineers replicated the rivets used in the Titanic. After producing the replica of the rivets, the investigators 10
tested them and they snapped just after applying 7,000 pounds of pressure.
On April 15, 1912, 1,500 people died when Titanic sunk.
Rivets were the details.
Are you in a Titanic? Got a business that is doing well, or a relationship that’s blissful? Everything is going
so well in your life right now? You might be feeling like a mighty ship sailing across great seas…perhaps like 15
the Titanic?
Check your unchecked details: some small compromises, a couple of white lies, moments of mediocrity,
hallow excuses, bits of complacency, a couple of bad habits, or ego outbursts.
In time all of these adds up.
Watch your details. 20
Titanic sunk because of a rivet.
Photo by TitanicStation.Blogspot.com
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As a CONSTITUTIONALIST I am well known for exploring details of the various
constitutions, including the Ukraine and Russian Federation constitution, but I used to do so 25
likewise in various professions I held being it in management, as a Quality Control Officer, etc.

The question that I now raise is if there was a missile that did bring down MH17 then could this
have been avoided, not just by avoiding the firing of the missile but if the structure of MH17 was
more robust? What if the missile itself had caused damage but it (MH17) could have sustained 30
the damage if the plane’s structure (and so that of any other plane) was more robust?
If the missile caused a weakness and the rivets by this couldn’t carry the sudden stresses because
the privets started to pop through the panels then could large rivet heads and more
sturdier/stronger rivets have prevented this so to say Titanic rivet failure?
With the titanic it was claimed that when one rivet went then so the next and the next and that 35
caused the sinking of the Titanic. Likewise the popping of rives with MH17 could have
eventuated in similar manner.
As shown above it is that entire panels came of their beams and one can see the numerous rivet
holes and on one image one can see the rivets still sitting in the beam.
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I had at times comments from people that I seem to waste a lot of time on the downing of MH17,
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For the record, while I downloaded hundreds and hundreds of images from numerous websites I
couldn’t detect any of those images to show actual bullet holes. As shown above they are rows of
rivet holes but looking at parts of panels that have not been separated from their beams there are
no round holes shown in them, nor in beams and other items.
Obviously, this weakness in both panels and rivers may have in the past contributes to airplanes 5
having broken up mid-air where the stresses were so to say popping the rivets and/or the panels
were shearing at the line of the rivet holes and as such I view this is a major issue governing all
airplanes and should be modified in any airplanes currently being build and those to be build.
There were reports where part of planes in mid-air suddenly came off, and it was held that cracks
were appearing over time. Again, this too may have been due to the weakness in the panels along 10
the line of the rivets and the weakness of the rivet heads themselves.

Now it seems to me that if you had gotten your technical engineers to address these kind of
issues instead of violating the sovereignty of Ukraine and chosen to pursue litigation before the
Ukraine constitutional court (as I outlined in past correspondence) instead of giving moral and 15
other support to the separatist, then you may have had a far better result. Ironically if your aim is
to seek to avoid Ukraine to so to say lean to the West, you are actually making sure that
Ukrainians may desire to amend its constitution to allow a NATO base in Ukraine as you proved
to violate its sovereignty. It is not relevant if you do not view those while trucks were not so to
say a Trojan Horse for weapons and other items to be smuggled into Ukraine to assist the 20
Russian backed separatist, as what is important is how others view it,. And if even a mere one
weapon were to be detected in any of the trucks then so to say your credibility will be no more.
And as you proved with the investigators and recovery teams you clearly were unable to have the
separatist to leave in peace the area.
So to say you are more and more in my view becoming your own worst nightmare/enemy! 25

The following image is another downloaded (as others in this correspondence where not
otherwise indicated a web address (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans) that is not
clear if it was subject to a fire before hitting the ground, whereas the flowers around it seems to
indicate there was no fire on the ground. Or it might just be dirt that somehow was ending up on 30
and around it?






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What however also is clear from the following images is that parts ended up in waterways in the
area. The question then is; Were the waters checked for any human remains? Unlikely I think.
Did you provide any cooperation to have this done? I doubt it.

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Where then really was the “goodwill” I wonder?



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Next time you board a plane you may just consider if the plane is a bit more robustly build that
the rivets will not pop out and the plane break up mid-air merely because of some weather
conditions causing additional stress on panels and so upon the rivets.

They do crash testing with motor vehicles but seemingly not with planes as that might be too 5
expensive, but perhaps airplane manufacturers may just have to consider to try to do so, if they
not already do so, to find out what might be the weakest area in the planes they build. It may also
be interesting to check back on pieces of panels of other planes that were downed, if they showed
like fractions in the rivet holes line and rivets popping out?
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The little clogs belonged as a souvenir to one of the passengers.

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issues but merely is some outline, and may be understood to pursue to end the conflict by all
concerned directing differences to the court of competent jurisdiction in Ukraine, as provided for
in the Ukraine constitution. 20
Awaiting your response, G. H. Schorel-Hlavka O.W.B. (Friends call me Gerrit)

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