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Navamsa Karma and God

 Article on Navamsa, explaining the use of omens and ascertaining the intensity of karmas, based
on the same.
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17 Responses to “Navamsa Karma and God”

1. Viresh Says:
February 17th, 2007 at 8:42 am

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Vistiji, Namaskar

There has been a quiet an interesting debate on Yahoo groups between two expert jyotishis
regarding upapada, as to for even lagna rising whether it should be arudha of 12 th or 2nd
Most of the time whenever i have heard about UL from any SJC gurus, they refer to 12 th
house as house of giving and hence UL will show how much you give etc.
It is a reasonably good explanation. I personally dont have too many explanations about why
UL is seen from 12th house due to my lack of knowledge
The only supporting argument that i came up with for UL to be seen fro 2nd house is, when we
see divisional charts esp D3 & D9, if it is even lagna rising we reverse the order. So for odd
lagna 5th house will be for first child whereas for even lagna 9th house will be first child.
However we are very clear that 5th house shows people who follow you & your future, so
howcome we look for 9th (past) for your children which is suppose to be your future?
Also there has been a lot of emphasis on UL in rasi chart, but shouldnt we focus on UL even
more in D9, as it is the divisional chart that shows a specific are & usually we see things that
manifest(arudhas) from div chart, bcoz rasi mainly shows your physical existence.

2. Visti Larsen Says:

February 18th, 2007 at 3:46 pm

हरे राम कृ ण
Dear Viresh, Namaskar
We do not reverse for D9, i think you meant to write D3 & D7. These two are used purely 29-08-2008 a Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) site by Visti Larsen based in Frederiksber... Side 2 af 9

for analyzing siblings and children, and that should give you a clue as to the reason for
reversing… See whenever there is talk of Srishti or Creation, we need to refer back to the
story of Matsya and Varaha avatara. Here specifically Matsya represents the time in the
womb prior to creation when the entire universe gets flooded and the atma is ’stuck’ in
the womb. We worship Matsya when we need to ‘cope’ with the bondage of rebirth, and
save the veda (knowledge/vidya) and this is very important for people with Kala amrita

Varaha avatara represents the time of birth itself when the entire world/universe is taken
OUT of the water and we get to breath the air of freedom. Ladies worship Varaha
Avatara as Su-Kara (cause of breath) to ensure the safe delivery of their child.

Parasara states that these two avataras are signified by Ketu and Rahu respectively, and
thus also the entire analysis of the saptamsa and drekkana for analyzing children and
siblings becomes highly colored by the nodes and their influence on the chart.
Hence also the concept of REVERSAL comes in the picture.

Now… since when did I have anything to do with my wifes creation? Justifying the
‘reversal’ calculation for Upapada would also justify the possibility of calculating
Pitrupada and Matripada from fifth and tenth houses respectively!.. No i cannot justify
such a reversal.
I hope this helps.
Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen.

3. Viresh Says:
February 19th, 2007 at 10:15 am

हरे राम कृ ण
Dear Vistiji, namaskar

I did not intend to takesides or anything. The only purpose for asking you was to clear my

I do accept that rahu & ketu reverse things. but why only do we reverse it for even signs & not
odd signs then?
Also how are we involved in creation of our siblings?
The logic u said works fine with D7 but what about D3?
Again I am not suggesting that We have to see UL from 2nd or so. just trying to clear my

4. Visti Larsen Says:

February 19th, 2007 at 11:28 am

हरे राम कृ ण
Dear Viresh, Namaskar
Sorry if my words come of as aggressive, know that I don’t have an angry bone in my
body when it comes to jyotish, nor am I picking sides, just explaining based on my
learning and conviction.

If we were to analyze the odd signs in reverse, then we wouldn’t be living up to a concept
of real reversal, as we would always be seeing the child from a static ninth house instead
of the fifth house. So taking odd signs in reverse as well as the even signs does not really
justify a reversal. As to why even signs are reversed i have written a little below. 29-08-2008 a Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) site by Visti Larsen based in Frederiksber... Side 3 af 9

The odd and even signs can be categorized into two types of nature of being masculine
and feminine. It is the masculine which brings the atma to this world, hence the first
important function of the father is to carry the ATMA (sun). This then gets transferred to
the mother with the vehicle of Venus in the form of spermatozoa, just as Agni carries
knowledge to the mind in the form of Vahni.

Hence the odd signs are creative signs. Even signs are opposite! The female principle
does not cause creation but sustains it, and this important role of carrying the atma in the
womb wherein it is given a mind (mana) and blood/body (mars) is the greatest gift given
to the child.

So we have to groups of creative and non-creative signs. These are the odd and even
signs. The creative signs are moving forward/direct, whilst the innate feminine signs are
moving in the opposite direction.

D3 is PART of our creation. Somebody has a blood link to you and in some cases they
occupied the same womb with you. So the D3 is part of our shristi as well.
Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen.

5. Srini rajitha Says:

October 15th, 2007 at 8:57 pm

Dear Vistiji,
I have been wondering for a long time about this. After reading your article, I wanted to ask
this question.

1) My atmakaraka is Saturn and is debilated in Navamsa in Aries, the 2nd house in Navamsa.
It says that indicates fear from rats,cats, etc.
What does this mean? Does it mean this might happen if I am going wrong in the path of my

2) Also, my life started with Saturn dasha, which was partly over in my previous life. That
means, I died in Saturn dasha in my last birth. Also, Saturn is my atmakaraka placed in my
Saturn is debilated in Navamsa in the second house.
I see a strong Saturn connection in my chart.
Can you please throw some light on what this means.

4th Sept 1974, 2:00 am

Bangalore, India.

Thank you very much.

6. Visti Larsen Says:

October 16th, 2007 at 8:00 pm

हरे राम कृ ण
Dear Srini Rajitha, Namaskar

1) It means you will have problems from rats and cats, maybe not fear from the same
though. You would be quite spiritual if Saturn is in second house in navamsa.

2) How are you so sure about last lifes dasa? Yes, Saturn is your atmakaraka of course it 29-08-2008 a Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) site by Visti Larsen based in Frederiksber... Side 4 af 9

has a strong connection to your chart.

Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen.

7. Lata Says:
February 9th, 2008 at 4:22 am

Dear Visti,

Namaste. Your description of this article mentioned “omens”. Would you be so kind as to
write an article / teach a class on sakuna / nimitta interpretation? There is some discussion on
the newsgroups, but that’s just enough to whet my appetite! Just before that discussion, I
consistently kept seeing birds, which is quite unusual for the dead of winter here. And the
number was consistent - either 1 or 8. How should I describe it… it was like the Playful One
was amused that I knew something was being said, but didn’t know the language to actually
understand what was said. Maybe my mind is playing tricks on me, but 8 birds flying overhead
brings an image of the protective asthakshari as an abhayahastam extending over me.

Which classics give more details on nimittas? Could you please write / speak to this, either
here, or in your upcoming book? When you have time, of course. You spend so much of
your time helping so many people that I am quite amazed that you manage to have a life!


8. Visti Larsen Says:

February 9th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

हरे राम कृ ण
Dear Members, Namaskar
The best lesson so far on sakuna shastra is that given among the DBC-courses at
I recommend going through the same, as well as the dream lesson.

If one can uphold ones dharma propperly, one need not worry about food.

Yours, Visti.

9. gkg Says:
February 11th, 2008 at 3:00 am

Dear Visti,

Can you say that the Navamsa chart actually becomes more prominent in a persons life post
30years of age (Hart DeFouw)?

Based on our own findings. We check a list of world self-made billionaire’s and found that
most of -them did not have strong rasi BUT had

1) very strong navamsa

2) at least one of the bhava had more than 10 rupa’s
3) the wealthy individuals who inherited their wealth had strong rasi and weaker navamsa 29-08-2008 a Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) site by Visti Larsen based in Frederiksber... Side 5 af 9

With the exception to the above Larry Page of Google has a strong rasi but weak navamsa and
Eric Schmidt of Go0gle has both powerful rasi and navamsa. Schmidt is the only individual to
have become a billionaire via service and not through founding any companies.

Please comment if this notion is acceptable.Thanks

10. Visti Larsen Says:

February 11th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

हरे राम कृ ण
Dear gkg, Namaskar
This notion in isolation is too generic to be taken very seriously, and i’m sure Hard
DeFouw never meant for it to be taken on face value as it is.

The reason being that the rasi is supposed to show our physical circumstances, and if
someone is destined to physically enter the white house, then the rasi has to back up the
person. Similarly for entering a business as a ceo, and etc.

Stating that one divisional chart dominates over the rasi is like saying that the leaf of a
tree would dominate over the roots which caused the tree to grow. So also when the roots
are severed, the leaf cannot survive, similarly is you are severed from your rasi this
physical abode cannot keep you any longer.

Further, if we are to accept this notion, on which basis are we calculating strength? You
have mentioned rupas here, but do you know what rupas are for? Why didn’t you choose
Vaisheshikamsas or Rashmibala? The former of which has been specifically used to
predict great wealth and the likes in the classics.

The notion that navamsa dominates after a certain age (or within a certain age) has some
truth to it, as between 12 to 50 the senses (indriyas) are at their peak. Specifically
between 32-50 the native turns their desires from the opposite sex towards gaining
sustenance (money). These periods are lorded by the two Gurus, viz. Venus and Jupiter
and they are both important significators of the Navamsa in terms of relationships and
fortune respectively.

Navamsa is important because it shows ones luck or fortune. Best thing to do is to see
how much luck/fortune is indicated by the Navamsa chart and map those same planets
into the rasi to see HOW this fortune is being experienced by the individual.

Doing so you will get a much more accurate picture of the situation… also because
Navamsa cannot be treated independantly for all lifes events, i.e. father and mother
cannot be seen from the navamsa chart.

Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen.

11. gkg Says:

February 11th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

Thank you.

12. Reema Sriganesh Says:

February 12th, 2008 at 2:04 pm 29-08-2008 a Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) site by Visti Larsen based in Frederiksber... Side 6 af 9

|| Hare Rama Krushna ||

Namaskaar gkg,

Can you please share the birth details of Larry Page, Eric Schmidt, and Sergey Brin with us? I
am very interested in their charts, and I don’t have their birth details.

Thank you.

May Sri Vishnu bless us all,


13. gkg Says:

February 12th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

Dear Reema, Sure.

Sergey Brin
Aug 21st, 1973 @ 23.05 in Moscow, Russia.

Larry Page
Mar 26th, 1973 in Lansing, Michigan

Eric Schmidt
April 27, 1955 @23.20 in Washington DC (Dist of Columbia). Note that Schmidt was
recruited into Google in 2001.

We cannot vouch for the birth-time. The dates are usually accurate. Please share with me your


14. Reema Sriganesh Says:

February 13th, 2008 at 8:12 am

|| Hare Rama Krushna ||

Namaskaar GKG,

Thank you very much for promptly sharing the birth details of these gentlemen with me. Btw,
you did not provide Larry Page’s birth time. I hope you possess his birth time.

Yes, I would share my comments on these charts, once I study them. Larry and Sergey’s charts
have really interesting synergies. No wonder they found each other and reached such heights

May Sri Vishnu bless us all,


15. gkg Says:

February 13th, 2008 at 10:18 am

I dont think we have it. 29-08-2008 a Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) site by Visti Larsen based in Frederiksber... Side 7 af 9

16. k.k.dave Says:

February 20th, 2008 at 11:22 am

should the navamsha charts be examned for prsence of curses.what kind of remedies are
available for removing the effect of curses in navamsha charts(shiva mantras/devi mantras/any
other).what happens if the same curse is present in both navamsha and rashi charts(for eg.
curse of brahmin}
with regards
kk dave

17. Hitesh Says:

February 20th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Visitji,

Nice article, Do we need to remedy curse in Navamsa or it just state the intensity of Rasi chart

I have brahmin sarpa in rasi (Guru and ketu in virgo recieve graha drasti from Sa and Ra in Pi)

In navamsa, Gu and ke in Aries and recieve graha drasti from Su, Ra, Ma and Sa

Other unsual in Navamsa

1 Su and Ra (Libra lagna - Su debi)
4 Ma (Cap - Mars exaulted)
5 Sa (Aqu. - Sa Mooltrikona)
6 Bu (Pisces - Bu Debi)

Please show us thruth


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