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11 Jan (2 days ago)

kkRRiiSShhNNaa

even tamil is also new language just like other south languages.

the primitive local population was concentrated in TN. But geographically very important.
So became more important in south.

the karnataka western ghats region was not much populated and so migrated vedic
people dominated and language become most influenced by pure sanskrit. many saints
are from karnataka. check it out.. how many brahmins percentage in karnataka in south.
many tamil brahmins also migrated back to karnataka as mysore kingdom was and is
the only hindu kingdom in south until today even during british.

if you remove sanskrit influence with current day tamil, it won't be modern day
language. it will become just very primitive which has no importance for modern day
people.. I am quite sure that people who think they are from pure proto tamil population
is very very less. most of all tamils also having deviated sanskrit names except only
few... I don't think even most tamils want to go back to privitive age discarding
sanskrit...

Just check it out the basic greeting word - vanakkam in tamil.


It is derived from sanskrit word - vandanam.

Kannada uses "vandane" for greetings. in telugu vandanalu...

Kannada gives more justice to sanskrit than other south languages...

I noticed that all tamil words ending with 'm' are sanskrit with no doubts.

Actually regional scripts -kannada,tamil,telugu,grantha were first in sanskrit. But as the


time passed started using for new languages.

Notice the first tamil script was also used write for sanskrit. thats why many characters
were there in first tamil-brahmi inscription. but later discarded as it was not possible for
local population tongue gaining importance as time passed.

11 Jan (2 days ago)

ॐ अहम् - अिपर्त

Amongst all Indian Language Sanskrit is most Apt for science and naming technical
terms..

I was once going through Tamil Technical terms for Computer fields..and found 50-60%
easily identifiable Sanskrit influence..rest other experts can say..
And if not fueled by Hate against Brahmins, i do not know what can be reason to hate
Sanskrit..!!

Grammar and Vocabulary generation of Sanskrit is something very amazing..!!

11 Jan (2 days ago) delete

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the karnataka western ghats region was not much populated and so migrated
vedic people dominated and language become most influenced by pure
sanskrit. many saints are from karnataka. check it out.. how many brahmins
percentage in karnataka in south. many tamil brahmins also migrated back to
karnataka as mysore kingdom was and is the only hindu kingdom in south until
today even during british.

So accoring to you, Mattur region is Vedic land. It is sufficient to demand Separate


Mattur Sanskrit State. Split karnataka state and formulate our separate Samskrita
rashtra. let us forget about Vattal Nagaraj and other Kannada activist groups.

11 Jan (2 days ago) delete

రవి వరరో.దే

Just check it out the basic greeting word - vanakkam in tamil.


It is derived from sanskrit word - vandanam.

Are you etymologist? . That is good.

Vanakkam in Tamil is derived from the word வணங்கு (vanangu), to bend, which is
similar/equal to Namaskaram [from Nam/ Namra, to bend] of Sanskrit. The idan behind
that formation is to bend one's hand or body before elders showing his respect or his
submission or due to inability/defeat and even acknowledging the elders' greatness.

வணக்கம் vaṇakkam

n. < வணங்கு-. [Telugu. vaṅgu, Kannada. baggu, Malayalam. vaṇakkam.] 1. Bending;


வைளைக. வில்வணக்கந் தீங்கு குறித்தைமயான் (குறள், 827). 2. Adoration, reverence;
worship; வழிபாடு.

வணங்கு-தல் vaṇaṅku-, 5 v. [Kannada. baggu.] intr. 1. To bend; to yield; . 2. To be


submissive, gentle, modest; --tr. 1. To worship, adore, revere, salute respectfully;
வழிபடுதல்.

Campare this with Sanskrit नम् nam.

नम् nam , 1 To bow to, make obeisance to, salute (as a mark of respect) (with acc. or
dat.); -2 To submit or subject oneself, bow down; -3 To bend,
नमनम् namanam 1 Bowing down, bending, stooping. -2 Sinking. -3 A bow, salutation,
obeisance. -नः One who causes to bend or bow;

नमस् namas, ind. 1 A bow, salutation, obeisance, adoration

नमर् namra a. 1 Bowing, bowing down, bent, inclined, hanging down; -2 Bowing
down, making a low obeisance; -3 Lowly, submissive, humble, reverential; -4
Crooked, curved. -5 Worshipping. -6 Devoted or attached to.

Compare these meanings with ఎరగు [ eragu ] [Telugu] v. i. To descend దిగు. To salute,
to make a bow to, to bow down to, to prostrate oneself నమసక నమసక్ర
్ించు, మొరక్ుక.్ ఎరగ
ఎరగుుడు
ḍu. n. Salutation నమస
eraguḍ నమసాాకర

రము
ము.

Madras Tamil Lexicon has claimed Vanakkam as Tamil word only.

Could you please substantiate/corroborate your claim about வணக்கம் vaṇakkam as


derived from वन्दनम् vandanam.

12 Jan (1 day ago)

shravan kulkarni

So accoring to you, Mattur region is Vedic land. It is sufficient to demand Separate


Mattur Sanskrit State. Split karnataka state and formulate our separate Samskrita
rashtra. let us forget about Vattal Nagaraj and other Kannada activist groups.

don spk unless u kno.....mattur lately adopted sanskrit, after a sanskrit camp heavily
influenced ppl there.....

n if u think states are made because ppl there spk a particular language, den u don
deserve a reply...better be in land of ur illusion where u have just tamil tamil n even
more tamil.....

n why are u keen on splitting karnataka....look at the venom u have been injected
against kannada...

god save u ppl...rather save kannada from des ppl....

12 Jan (1 day ago)

kkRRiiSShhNNaa

రవ
రవిి (ravi)

Vanakkam in Tamil is derived from the word வணங்கு (vanangu), to bend, which is
similar/equal to Namaskaram [from Nam/ Namra, to bend] of Sanskrit.

hahah... Namaskaram is used by many tamil brahmins.. looks like finally you go and say
namaskaara itself derived from tamill..
basically tamil words ending with 'm' are derived from sanskrit. no doubts about it....
examples - namaskaram,sankalpam, list goes endlessly.... or is it sangalpam??

sanskrit words are not like new languages like tamil etc.. Sanskrit has proper meaning
for every sound.

actual sanskrit word is namaskaara = namas+kara

The reason why I gave VandanegaLu (kannada) , vandanaalu (telugu) to make you
understand comparison between kannada/telugu and tamil.

Comparision clearly shows vanakkam is actually derived from sanskrit "vandana".


see the last letter 'm'. and also compare kannada and teleugu which usually try to give
justice to original sanskrit words- "Vandana".

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with tamil, sanskrit words look too much corrupted...

one more good example:

sanskrit word mahesha.

Kannada and telugu clearly pronounce mahesha no problems.


real meaning = maha + esha. great esha.

look how tamil corrupts mahesha,


it is tamil - magesha??

maga + esha??
maga in kannada (which still retained proto dravid) means son.

see how tamil creates wrong meaning - maga+esha??

12 Jan (1 day ago) delete

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hahah... Namaskaram is used by many tamil brahmins.. looks like finally you go
and say namaskaara itself derived from tamill..
We are not discussing about Namaskaram. I have just compared the origin of vanakkam
from vanangu (to bend) with Sanskrit word Namaskara which is derived from the
Sanskrit root Nam (to bend). I have not claimed that the namaskaram was derived from
Tamil in that thread. pl read again.
basically tamil words ending with 'm' are derived from sanskrit. no doubts
about it....examples - namaskaram,sankalpam, list goes endlessly.... or is it
sangalpam??
Is it? Then pls confirm whether the following words ending with "m" are sanskrit or not.
ஆலம்² ālam,, n. 1. Banyan, 2. Sky; 3. Breadth, width; 4. Blossom, blown flower;
ஆழம் āḻam, n. [Kannada. āḻa, Malayalam. āḻam, Tulu. āḷa.] 1. Depth; 2. Depth of
thought;
ஆளம் āḷam, n. Elaboration of a tune;
Comparision clearly shows vanakkam is actually derived from sanskrit
"vandana".
see the last letter 'm'. and also compare kannada and teleugu which usually try
to give justice to original sanskrit words- "Vandana".
your citation is wrong. In sanskrit, vandana is not available. only Vandanam is available.
check the link
http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.5:1:1125.apte3.
In kannada only, the letter m is missing. Tamil retains the same.
వందనము vandanamu. n. An obeisance, salutation, అభివాదనము, నమసాక్ రము, Praise, సుత్
తి.
Thanks. వందనమిడు or వందనముచేయు vandanam-iḍu. v. n. To honour, salute, bow to
In kannada , the ":" is missing and िवकल्पः will be pronounced as vikalpa only. In Telugu,
it is pronounced as vikalpamu. see
http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/romadict.pl?query=vikalpamu&table=brown
Moreover in your previous thread, you have mentioned Skt word as vandanam only and
now to ulterior motives, you have mentioned it as vandana.
Hence your allegation is incorrect and invalid. you have to prove the etymology of
Vanakkam form the word Vandanam.

12 Jan (23 hours ago)

kkRRiiSShhNNaa

ravi,
it seems like you are telugu. still not getting the differences??
kannada/telugu don't corrupt any sanskrit words.
Only at the last letter of the sanskrit words modified to suit joining of words.
But tamil has limitted sounds. can't even pronounce properly.
I already gave one example sankalpam ..
Tamils can't pronounce properly - looks somewhat like sangalpam.
Huh! even mahaabharata ?? oh god ??
just don't go by one link. check out vandana is a sanskrit.
Many girls have vandana names right??
Atleast sanskrit names are totally pure in almost all parts of india..
aalam might have derived from aalayam - shelter.
aaLam - might have derived from atala.
I didn't get 3rd one- but something related to music, so must hav sanskrit influence..
I have even seen tamils use ashvattam with very corrupted sound..
Kannada people also use ashvatta..
It also seems like some words related to worship also use m at the end..
Tamil has clearly have all sanskrit words ends with 'm' thats it.
even though corrupting many sounds in between...
I am not getting why u still did not get vanakkam is from vandanam?
Problem with primitive people was they took only sound of many sanskrit word.
They don't take consideration of how sanskrit words are actually divided.
I hope u will convinced if said - vanakkam is derived from vandanakam
just check the same link you provided.. just press next entry..
http:// dsal.uchicago. edu/cgi-bin/ philologic/getobject.pl?c.5:1:1126.apte3
वन्दनकम् vandanakam
वन्दनकम् Respectful salutation
by the way can you properly devide how vanakkam is word formed using vanangu??
grammatically??
12 Jan (21 hours ago) delete

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I hope u will convinced if said - vanakkam is derived from vandanakam


Pls refer to my previous threads.
Vandanam and Vandanakam are derived from the sanskrit rooot Vand (to praise by
words).
1. Origin and meaning of Sanskrit vand (root for Vandanam):
वन्द् vand 1 To salute, greet respect- fully, pay homage to; . -2 To adore, worship. -3 To
praise, extol.
वन्दकः vandakḥ, A praiser
वन्दथः vandathḥ 1 A praiser, bard, panegyrist. -2 One who deserves praise.
వందించు vandinṭsu. v. a. To praise, vandintuḍu. n. One who is praised
వందుయ్ డు vandyuḍu. n. One who is worthy to be praised. fit to be praised or extolled by
the whole world.
Praise: Definition: To extol in words or song; to magnify; to glorify on account of
perfections or excellent works; to do honor to; to display the excellence of; applied
especially to the Divine Being.
http://www.carnatica.net/guruvandanam.htm :
2.Origin and meaning of Vanakkam and Namaskaram
http://www.thalappakatti.com/images/vanakkam.jpg
http://kommuchikkala.net/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/
namaskaram.182174621_std.JPG
There is a difference between Namaskaram and vandanam.
We never mention as sashtanga vandanam. We say only sashtanga namaskaram. Like
that, We say sandhya vandanam and not sandhya namaskaram.
If you meet anybody in Tamil Nadu, they will say Vanakkam by bending their arm (Anjali
Mudra) and not say vandanam by praising one's qualities/greatness.
Vanakkam is used only in the sense of namaskaram and not praise.
Vandanam is nothing but praising the God by uttering mantras. While saying Vanakkam,
there is no praise but accompanying act of bending the arms from the elbow upwards
and face the two palms of the hands. In Vandanam, We need not bend our arms but
ought to praise the elders and God by words or songs.
http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2007/7/16554_space.html.
Vandanakam and Vanakkam are having different origins.

12 Jan (21 hours ago) delete

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More over the word Vandanam was used in the sense of prayer in the following cases.

సంధయ్[ sandhya ] n. Twilight in the morning or evening. సంధయ్or సంధాయ్


వందనము,
Sandhya Vandanamu, morning or evening prayer.

संध्या वन्दनम् the morning and evening prayers


சந்தியாவந்தனம் sandiyā-vandaṉam, n. Morning, noon and evening prayers; காைல உச்சி
மாைலகளில் ேவதமந்திரங்களாற் ெசய்யும் வழிபாடு.