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The LSE caves in to terror

 First the Netherlands prosecutes Geert  Wilders for speaking against Islamic terror; now the London School of Economics has caved in to the threat of Islamist violence. Douglas Murray, the director of the Centre for Social Cohesion, has been banned from chairing a debate on Islam at the London School of Economics today between Dr Alan Sked, a senior lecturer in international history, and Hamza Andreas Tzortzis, a Muslim writer and lecturer, because the LSE fears his views will provoke violence. Those views are outspoken opposition to the Islamisation of the west and staunch support for Israel. The LSE, where some Jewish students report a poisonous and frightening atmosphere at present, has just seen a week-long anti-Israel protest over Gaza. The Evening Standard reports: The LSE asked Mr Murray not to attend in the interest of public safety as his presence could provoke further unrest. A spokesman added: ‘He has spoken at LSE in the past and will be welcome to do so again in the future.’

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Get 2 Free Sims Today ray douglas
January 23rd, 2009 1:35pm

i remember Douglas Alexander once as a panel member on BBC Question time. He was absolutely brilliant in exposing the terrorist Islamic agenda ! I am not surprised though. that the L.S.E has banned him. There is a weird form of denial and appeasement going on in our academic and media circles. I watched channel

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four news last night. Peter snow could not stand that he was losing the argument to the Israeli government spokes man Mark Regev, that he cut him off and closed the conversation !Channel four news does not even try to hide its liberal-left agenda on Israel and America. LSE, London School of Economics, some weird students who is extremely brain washed are attending there, oh boy I will be careful that place, I wonder if a school like LSE is like this how the other ones will be? They were chicken in the 60's on rag days too. Even Mick Jagger bailed. Oh Gawd! Lese majeste. SIR Mick Jagger. Pathetic. More dhimmitude. The adminstrators should have the word 'dhimmitude' tattoed on their foreheads. Gruntson - They would were there sufficient room 'tween eyebrows and hairline...... [Knuckle scraping] Could they not have excluded troublemakers ?,or are we accepting the way of the brownshirts from hitlers time .The LSE should be ashamed of themselves if this is the way they teach young people to disagree . OK, let's look on the bright side: Britain is cold, wet, windy, generally depressing (except on a sunny August afternoon and new year's eve at about 11:59PM) The country whilst pretty in places is losing all that makes living here worthwhile: Pubs, privacy and pragmatism. So, let 'them' have it! And let those of us who wish to enjoy life and not take things too seriously - while working for an honest income, depart to sunnier more friendly climes. Where, we can leave to the imagination. I have e-mailed my disgust to the LSE today and may I encourage all of us who contribute to this blog to go further than chatting about our disgust and actually DOING something, even if it is a simple protest e-mail. The academic lefters need to know there is a mounting opposition out there, so come on, do your bit! Excellent point, Phil. Even at contentious public meetings in Town halls around the country, there are those who violently disagree with the matter under discussion (I'm speaking of local issues rather than Israel/Gaza). Police are occasionally drafted in and remain quietly in the background just in case. If troublemakers cannot be excluded at the entry point, they can be removed if and when they become disruptive. I am hugely surprised that an institution such as the LSE would behave in this way.....unless, of course, the 'Risk Assessment' chapter of the 'Health and Safety' guidelines are the barrier. Even advertisement banners strung across the road, telling of a local event are now deemed dangerous in case they fall on someone's head. The fact that they never have fallen before isn't the point - according to Risk Assessment/Health & Safety. wow, I did not know things were this bad in Europe, especially UK and the Netherlands (but I am being educated since I started visiting this blog). If you succumb to radical Islamists' threat

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and blackmail, that is the end of it. Not even academic freedom?! @pm317, For all intents and purposes, Britain is an islamic country. Witness the current spate of anti-Semitic outrage on the streets of London where "kill the Jews" is daubed on pavement outside underground stations and bus stop shelters, Jewish shops vandalised and Jews being attacked in broad daylight– even elderly are not spared. And guess what, not a peep from bbc or any other news media, no government statements and no police action. This really is getting out of hand. It's just because, as of Tuesday, neocons simply don't matter any more. Murray blew any chance of a Tory seat when he used a Spectator Diary to announce that he had voted Labour in the Ealing Southall by-election following his Question Time spat with Sayeeda Warsi. And now this, doubtless the first of many. So what is he going to do with the rest of his life now? He's only just 30, if he's that old. Of course, he doesn't need to work. Hence his pretend think tank that is in fact just his media by-line where "Too Rich To Need To Work" would not do. But even so, it would take a heart of stone not to laugh. pm317, Not even academic freedom? No Non, not in Britain and Netherlands, there is no freedom of expression in this part of the world, and the academic left wing liberals are the ones who created this, I am out of here, Salut! I mean Shalom pm317 - things are nowhere near as bad as you read here. There have not been any riots. The only even of note that I can think of is that a Starbucks suffered minor damage. Put it down to febrile imagination. 'In the interests of public safety'? Nah,'in the interests of moral cowardice' is nearer the mark. David Lindsay January 23rd, 2009 4:53pm we can assume you are laughing then -what a sour man you are -I hope you will not mind me feeling sorry for you . Just this week I invited Mr Murray to Debate with my university Debating Society and Mr Murray accepted the invitation. I sincerely hope my University SU, who would have to agree to his appearance, do not cave in as the LSE. I would feel a campaign coming on if they did. Original Tony Although I agree with your sentiments, I know from experience that individual letters /emails arriving to protest an issue are generally ignored. It is only when a group comes together does anyone up on high sit up and take any notice. How would anyone suggest a group should be formed? Perhaps a 'Yahoo'-type group initially? I think they're free of charge. I have no experience in IT matters but am a member of a few 'Yahoo' groups Original Tony-I have done

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Alex Hughes well done -perhaps our future is not so bleak after all

January 23rd, 2009 7:40pm

This is an absolute disgrace. I am a postgraduate of the University of London and I ashamed, not only of my old University but of this country. Douglas Murray only poses a threat to those who have their evil agenda, allowing radical Islam to call the shots in this country. I despise the LSE for this. this story is just not true, murray himself offered to withdraw from chairing the event when he was told about the atmosphere on the lse campus following the occupation of a room by some students protesting about the situation in gaza for a week, which has strained relations between israeli and muslim students. murray was never told he had to stand down. murray has spoken at lse twice in the past 6 months, so to say he is banned is just madness and not true. when lse became aware today that murray was saying he did not want to stand down as chair the academic organiser tried to contact him, but funnily enough he was unavailable all afternoon (despite telling some friends in the right wing press he was still free). murray responded late in the day saying he needed more notice, which was a handy way to get out of it, having got the publicity he wanted! seems to me he used this situation to get some publicity, and he has certainly been successful. also amazing to me how people in the press dont check the facts before publishing stories! Similar things are happening where I study, Warwick University. There is a sit-in in one of the lecture theatres and they refuse to leave unless their 'demands' are met. These are: 1. Warwick University should suspend all relations with companies which supply the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. This includes BAE Systems, MBDA, QinetiQ and Rolls Royce. 2. That the University donate old computer equipment and textbooks to universities in Palestine, specifically those that were partially destroyed in Gaza during the current Israeli military operation. 3.That the University fund and provide logistical support for a series of talks on the IsraeliPalestinian conflict. (See also) It is also happening in SOAS, Exeter, Birmingham, Sussex, Leeds, Oxford, Essex and Kings, there is a Facebook group uniting all of them together: gid=45620747685 Annoyingly, the room they are currently occupying is where I have my history lectures. I'd quite like it back. Come to UCL instead!!!

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Michael Alldis
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Sergei Zubatov
January 23rd, 2009 8:45pm

MJE, this is real threat, I hope you get your room back pm137 Come on.. Universities in the US are just as liberal and out of control. Conservative speakers are no longer invited to give their viewpoints. Instead, they invite people like Iran's head henchman to speak.

An American
January 23rd, 2009 9:54pm

Conservatives or anyone from the right politically can't give their side without being shouted down, pies thrown, students taking over the presidents just stand by and let all these liberal commie brats terrorize and shut up the opposition. The US is just a few years behind the UK. Liberal socialism is destroying Britain and it will eventually destroy us unless the American public wakes up and acts to stop it. Isn't LSE a known purulent leftist cesspool anyway? So hardly surprising its take on 'freedom of speech' is that it exists only for some. Bet if they were hosting something intensely offensive to Jews or Christians they wouldn't bat an eyelid about it and assume the moral high ground for doing so! Such pusillanimity on the part of a supposedly evenhanded secular institution of learning how far we are down the road to dhimmitude indeed. Truly disgusting. Isn't the LSE a child of the Fabian Society?

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Ms Philips actually highlights in her comments the reason that LSE was surely right to have concerns over Douglas Murray chairing the event. She says that his views are "outspoken opposition to the Islamisation of the west and staunch support for Israel". This would suggest he would not be a suitable person to chair an event on the subject of Islam or Liberalism: Which is the Way Forward? when generally the chair of an event should be someone who is seen as neutral and not strongly favouring one side of the debate. It is also perhaps a bit of a dramtisation on the part of Ms Philips to say that Mr Murray not chairing an event is in anyway a victory to the "forces of darkness". Martin's statement is not correct. I have the email sent to Douglas Murray from the LSE that says: "I have been asked by the Pro-Director, Prof. Janet Hartley, to request that you stand down as chairman of the debate on Friday evening. Part of the School has been occupied by student protesters on account of events in Gaza and there is official concern that on this account your presence might provoke further unrest." I had difficulty getting through to Douglas Murray on the telephone post-5:30pm, but I experienced no difficulty getting straight through to him during office hours. I was phoned at about 5:30pm by the LSE press office to say that they were willing to reinvite him, and this was followed up at 5:35pm with an emailed statement to that effect. I am amazed that they left it so late. Martin- no one is 'neutral' when push comes to shove; if every debate were to be pulled because a chairman could not be seen to be 'neutral' enough there'd be precious few debates at all. Great excuse, though! Carl, Jews have been beaten up in the street, not that you would care. Jews are feeling increasingly uncomfortable in an openly hostile environment. By the way, still thinking about whether you would condemn the Hamas charter, which call for the extermination of all the Jews? Last I looked, you were refusing to condemn it. Is it hard for you to get your head around? Poor dear. Thanks for your posts, Alex! I believe I read that the Oxford University's 'sit-in' involved about 90 students who were offering up

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a watered-down-from-the-original set of demands. At least the other 21,910 students at Oxford had the sense to be more annoyed about the potenial disruption to their studies! I went to a London College, part of the University of London. Whilst there, the Jewish Society routinely had its noticeboard trashed and daubed in hate graffiti, including Holocaust denial, propaganda videos against Israel were shown in the JCR, Hizb ut Tahrir campaigned with their hatred at the College gates. Then a couple years later, an alumnus of my College and his colleague walked into a bar on the Tel Aviv beachfront and murdered three people with a suicide belt, and injured dozens. This is really happening, and the appeasement of the LSE isn't new, it is part of a reality that has been going on for years. Of course, when the next terror outrage explodes on the streets of London, the media will wring its hands and say, how did this happen? It's happening because young Islamic radicals are being fed a diet of hatred and the authorities and those in positions of influence, like the LSE, are too gutless to confront it. So there are not many graduates of the LSE here? Well I am and I tell you one thing the LSE does not teach, and that is how to think, oh you thought the LSE is a technical college, OK. If I have one complaint about the LSE it is that it's not true to it's founding principles, until recently most undergrads wanted to be merchant wankers, leftist, yeah right!! Our Unversities and those in the USA have become a joke. INstead of reason and objectivity - surely the basis of scholarship - we have bias and ideology. It has gotten to the stage where I no longer believe anything an 'academic' says. This is very sad, but is a consequence of postmodernism and the leftards seizing control of higher education. The next time we have a Conservative government, they really must take the Culture Wars seriously, especailly in the media, academe, the judiciary and our cultural institutions and popular culture. Otherwise the left will be back again and worse than ever. Is the LSE incapable of requesting or procuring some extra security for the event? One would have hoped that the faculty(I guess I'm in fantasy land here) would have urged the school not to alter its lineup, not to compromise its commitment to free speech and open debate. I can virtually see another India-Pakistan situation developing in EU.. an absolute repeat of history..because in 1947 Hindu liberals downright squashed the conservatives regarding policies of Muslim appeasement, we Indians of today are reaping a bitter bitter harvest of Jehad and communal riots in our own land. Today Hindus of India have become a totally besieged and oppressed majority akin to where the EU is heading to..Today Indian politics is virtually hijacked and held to ransom by Jehadisympathizers and apologists and Hindus have absolutely no voice in their own land....History is indeed repeating itself in EU..what a tragic irony!! Remember one of their alumni at the LSE is that Pakistani Jihadist who murdered the poor innocent Journalist who was working for the Wall Street Journal, Daniel Pearl, please read prayers for him that he rests on peace let's honour, and let us say: Amen AdamB - stop trying to make out that a wave of anti-Semitism is engulfing the UK. There is nothing of the sort, despite your hysterical bleating. Justly deserved criticism is just that. Crying anti-Semitism is merely an attempt to

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close the discussion down. Extremism is just like a disease, wich is going to spread out, if you don't fight with it and you are too soft, like the western Europeans are doing, things will only get worst but not better, and at the end they will regret martin "" murray himself offered to withdraw from chairing the event when he was told about the atmosphere on the lse campus"" LSE SHOULD HAVE INSISTED THAT HE DID NOT WITHDRAW,RATHER THAN ENCOURAGING THESE EXTREMISTS THAT VIOLENCE WINS -IS THAT NOW WHAT OUR UNIVERSITIES ARE TEACHING YOUNG PEOPLE? "Douglas Murray ... has been banned from chairing a debate" So? Murray is not by any stretch of the imagination neutral on the subject. It would have been entirely inappropriate to have him in the chair, where he would either be unable to contribute properly (if he maintained his impartiality) or would have destroyed the debate's credibility if he did not, or both if he maintained his impartiality but was accused of not doing so. This is just plain bad for the quality of the debate. Accordingly his being removed from the chair seems entirely reasonable and sensible. Clearly it is difficult in such a contentious issue to find a truly neutral chairman. However that is no excuse for giving the role to someone with such a clear compaigning role on the subject. Murray was just about the worst possible choice. (Okay, George Galloway would have been worse.) The real question that needs asking is why he was invited to chair it in the first place. Martin Garthwaite- They have certainly not taught you how to be a merchant,but the second part you have passed with honours .fancy attaching your name to a claim like that !says a lot for your college . Carl you should answer Adam B,s oft asked question before you pontificate on anti -semitism -do you condemn the hamas charter-will we ever hear from you .until we do you will find it very hard to gain any respect here . Ian Miller-you make some valid points ,but he was invited and was stopped through the threat of violence -perhaps the debate should have been cancelled altogether .The point here is the threat of violence prevailed to the eternal shame of LSE Stinky College, I am glad I did not go there

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phil, why on earth would you think that I would be interested in respect from the extremists that post here? JS, I'm sure you're right about Jihadism in India no doubt it's the ill-treatment they receive, from Islamists, that makes the Hindhus take it out on the Christians, perhaps that's why they murder so many. Ian Miller: should you find yourself sitting in a tube train with an Islamist suicide bomber next to you, I'd guess even you might struggle to be neutral on the subject. Carl, (who refuses to condemn the hamas charter which calls for the extermination of every Jew) - this full title shall be your name from now on. To get to your "complaint", perhaps you can

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Adam B.
January 24th, 2009 5:13pm

point to where I said that any criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic. I neither think, nor wrote any such thing. Your problem is that you are so engulfed in obsessive hatred that you can't read, and are utterly incapable of any nuanced or intelligent thought. I do however believe that Briain is being engulfed by casual antiSemitism, and the statistics of violent attacks or abusive behaviour against Jews support this view, as does the perception of many Jews. I myself have witnessed this casual antiSemitism, which is fast becoming part of normal discourse in left wing circles. Furthermore Carl, I'm not going to be lectured about anti-Semitism by someone who gives tacit approval to a Nazi document which represents the goals of Hamas. Carl, why don't you answer my post of 1.04am?

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Vision Aforethought
January 24th, 2009 6:09pm

All of this (and the subjects covered in most of M's other postings) are precisely why Israel exists in the first place. But the Jews cannot win! If they assimilate, they are persecuted and used as scapegoats when things go wrong (no matter who is to blame) - so some have no option but to flee to a 'safer' location- just in case. And once they are there, they are attacked, even when negotiating to hold onto what little space they have. The propaganda in the media today, in particular over the DEC appeal, shows just how people don't get it with regards to where all those billions that are donated to the Palestinians end up. What really frustrates is that the Palestinian 'on the street' is oblivious to all this and a victim of the same enemy that threatens Israel. It would be an interesting experiment to have all the Jews in Israel depart (again) - wait a year or so, and see what transpires. Not practical of course, but it would probably prove a few points. The world would then 'get it'. The well meaning, but stuck in the stone age Tony Benn included. AdamB- because you didn't ask a question. Also, note that I will not take lectures from somebody that condones brutality against civilians by the IDF. You cannot accept that many, many people are disgusted by Israel's recent atrocities. Hi, I am an Israeli student at LSE, and was very worried when I heard about this story yesterday afternoon so I went to the debate last night which I think most of those who are commenting on this blog did not. Having attended what was a fairly interesting debate its clear to me the LSE was right to think that Mr Murray would not have been a suitable chairperson. The issue being debated was whether Islam or Liberalism was best placed to solve societies problems, which in itself is a sensitive topic. I think we all know where Mr Murray would stand on this question, so for me while I would find myself agreeing with much of what Mr Murray says I think LSE were right to have concerns about him chairing the event. Most sensible people I think would agree that its best to have someone in the chair who is viewed as an honest broker especially for sensitive or controversial topics. Douglas Murray would have been a great speaker on the topic, but a totally unsuitable chair, it would have been like asking the Pope to chair a debate on the issue of homosexuality. I think people who come to such quick conclusions on this matter need to give some consideration for the unfortunate atmosphere on the LSE campus between certains groups of students after the recent activity in the middle east and the occupation of campus. I believe the School has a responsibility to consider these things for the good of campus relations. For those criticising LSE there needs to be an acknowledgement that the debate went ahead, with the proposed speakers. This included Alan Sked who put forward views which were very

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similar to those which Mr Murray would put forward, so the allegation there was some threat to free speech is totally false. Its also worth noting that Mr Murray has spoken at LSE twice in the past 6 months, including at an event hosted by the Israeli Society that I attended where I very much agreed with much of what he said. I also spoke to people after the event and heard that as far the School authories were aware Mr Murray had offered to stand down as chair of the event. When they became aware yesterday morning via the papers that he was not happy with standing down the organiser tried to contact Mr Murray in the afternoon and make it clear he could chair the event. I understand that Murray appeared to make himself unavailable all afternoon to approaches from LSE till shortly before the event when he said he did not have time. The whole affair seems to have been a bit messy, but from what I was told and have seen it seems LSE was acting with the best of intentions, rather than trying to crack down to free speech or cave into pressure from Islamic fanatics. A lot of the speakers who come to LSE are left wing, and pro palestinian, but there have been a good number in recent months who take a very pro Israeli stance and who may described as neo cons such as Rick Santorum, US Attorney General Michael Mukasey, Homeland Secretary Chertoff and John Bolton to name a handful. I think this clearly demonstrates the claims made on this blog that in some way LSE does not try to uphold the principle of free speech are clearly false. Carl, then let me as another 'extremist' ask you simply: do you share the Hamas charter's agenda that every Jew be exterminated? Simple enough. I have many Jewish friends, mostly secular, some Reform, some converted to Christianity. You owe these individuals, none of whom is an Israeli nor a zionist an answer, if not us 'extremists'. "You cannot accept that many, many people are disgusted by Israel's recent atrocities." The Israelis have a solid argument to counter this. They know too well how many Chechnyans, how many Iraqis and how many Afghans have been killed in wars that haven't directly concerned Israel. For example, I know when the Russians went into Chechnya they eventually declared any male Chechnyan over 18 years old a terrorist - period. Grozniy was flattened. In Iraq thousands have died. In Afghanistan many innocents have been killed (usually by mistake). Then I hear Russia and China have discussed the use of the use of vacuum bombs against Muslim separatists if they cause instability either in China or Russia's spheres of influence. Therefore, who is in a position to lecture Israel? Put it another way: How would India react if Pakistan fired 1000 rockets into its borders? I dare say the whole thing would spiral towards nuclear war. All Israel has done is its level best to stop fanatics carrying out suicide bombings and rocket attacks into its borders. Palestinian civilians were warned by the IDF to flee the fighting but perhaps many were not allowed to leave by Hamas. Isn't it time there was some genuine criticism and analysis of how Hamas has been exploiting these people as human shields? Carl January 24th, 2009 2:19pm thats the first truthful thing I have seen you post ,but do not worry you have none Carl, here's a question for you then (as you seem rendered speechless by my previous post and have nothing to say about the pressures Jewish students face) - do you condemn the Hamas charter, which calls for the extermination

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January 25th, 2009 12:17am

of every Jew? By the way, I don't condone brutality against civilians, but fully support Israel's self defensive measures against a genocidal terrorist group, which has embedded itself amongst, and manipulates for its own evil ends, civilians. Pity you can't see that. Pity you also are blind to the rampant anti-semitism which is increasingly creeping into the mainstream of British life. You see Carl, I answer your "points", but you refuse to answer mine. it's called debate, not slogan shouting. By the way Carl, any comment about the lies of 1,300 dead in Gaza - according to Corriere della Sera, a Palestinian doctor has said there are empty hospital beds available and that the figure was between 500-600, overwhelmingly men who were involved in combat. Is he lying? Patrick, the report in the Evening Stnadard states that Murray's invitation was withdrawn because of the fear of "unrest", not because of his suitability as chair. Is the Standard simply wrong about this? How absolutely quaint! To American ears a debate on "Islam vs Liberalism - which is the best way forward", makes no sense. It is like asking whether Fascism or Communism is the best way forward. Of course, it is the way of humans to have to answer the same questions multiple times over successive generations before the answers really take hold. What century did you say we were in? AdamB- I see that you attempt to draw comfort from a claim that the IDF did not slaughter as many Palestinians as had been estimated. A rather perverse stand in most civilised people's view. Can we therefore say that it is OK that Hamas launches a lot of rockets as they are not at all effective? Adam, from what I understand Mr Murray had told the organiser who I think was Alan Sked that he was willing to withdraw from chairing when told about the issues on campus, and expressed no problems with this. It seems the School only heard he had a problem when reports appeared in the press. To be it would a more mature approach of Mr Murray to make clear his unhappiness to LSE, rather than try to generate publicity for himself. I was told there were concerns that should there be any issues or problems at the debate then Murray would not be suitable to be an effective chairperson, as he would not be seen as in any way as neutral on the topic being discussed, and his chairmanship could inflame any potential situation. To me it seems Murray was a stupid choice as the chair as I said before. I presume the choice of him was down to Alan Sked. When some students complained about Murray speaking at LSE last year, the School defended his right to speak on campus, and ensured his talk went ahead. Tiberius wrote "Ian Miller: should you find yourself sitting in a tube train with an Islamist suicide bomber next to you, I'd guess even you might struggle to be neutral on the subject." I don't actually see that this has to do with the point under discussion. Nevertheless finding myself the subject of a terrorist attack would not cause me to lose my neutrality on any subject upon which I try to be neutral. I am a pacifist and as such opposed to all use of violence, and that obviously includes suicide bombers, so to that extent I never have been neutral. In my view, it is a cardinal mistake to allow violence or threats of violence to change your

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position. To change your position their favour is pusillanimous; to change against is to recognise the men of violence as the valid representatives of their cause and hence to undermine moderate and peaceful proponents of that cause. That will push more of the moderates into the camp of the men of violence. The one time I have changed my plans was due to terrorism was to counteract a trend that I saw as giving in to terrorism. In the autumn of 2001, vast numbers of people cancelled trans-atlantic trips in response to the WTC attack. I believe that was giving in to terrorism and I responded making a trip to the USA that I otherwise wouldn't have. The best thing defence against terrorism is to refuse to react and treat them as common criminals. That is the last thing they want us to do and that is precisely why we should do it. The email sent to Douglas Murray by the event's organiser said: "I have been asked by the ProDirector, Prof. Janet Hartley, to request that you stand down as chairman of the debate on Friday evening. Part of the School has been occupied by student protesters on account of events in Gaza and there is official concern that on this account your presence might provoke further unrest." Carl, your last post doesn't even make sense. Do you dispute the claim of the Palestinian doctor, who said that most of those killed were combatants, and that the figure is much lower than the one proposed by the Nazis of Hamas? And do you condemn the Nazi Hamas charter? Still thinking about it? Carl wrote: "AdamB- I see that you attempt to draw comfort from a claim that the IDF did not slaughter as many Palestinians as had been estimated. A rather perverse stand in most civilised people's view. Can we therefore say that it is OK that Hamas launches a lot of rockets as they are not at all effective?" It seems to me that Adam is pointing out a statistic in the pursuit of truth. That the IDF did not kill more civilians is a testament to their commitment to protect non combatants. Hamas on the other hand fires rockets with the explicit intention of killing as many civilians as possible. Your arguments are certainly difficult to understand and that's because they're emanating from a twisted mind. I can see from this blog that there are still, thankfully, some people in Britain who haven't been hopelessly brainwashed by MSM propoganda. Look, this whole thing is a big fuss about very little: I am sure that LSE could have handled it better, but the School as has been pointed out in some of the above posts does far more to promote diversity of opinion than most other British universities, after all for many years it was home to legendary right wingers such as Hayek, Oakeshott and Popper-in contrast to the supine leftism of most UK academies. Tomorrow night (Jan 27) for example Jonah Goldberg is due to speak and here is an extract from the LSE website advertising the event, so lay off the attempts to denigrate the LSE in general because of one small silly incident: ''For nearly a century the political left has controlled the commanding heights of intellectual discourse by asserting, contrary to the evidence, that the left holds a monopoly on political virtue. The further you move from the left on the political spectrum, it is asserted, the closer you get to evil. "Fascism" has long served as the central prop in this drama. Fascism and evil are interchangeable terms, we are told. The reality is that while fascism may be evil, it has always been a leftist phenomenon. Jonah Goldberg is a columnist for the Los

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Adam B.
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Angeles Times and contributing editor to National Review. A USA Today contributor and former columnist for The Times in London, he has also written for the New Yorker, Commentary, the Wall Street Journal, and many other publications. His latest book is Liberal Fascism. This event is free and open to all with no ticket required. Entry is on a first come, first served basis. For more information, email'' @Leslie - was the IDF soldier who gunned down two children in front of their father going out of his way to protect non combatants? You cannot defend the indefensible, no matter how hard you try. Like it or not, and you clearly don't, Israel will have to treat with Hamas. The Neo Cons are finished. Leslie you wrote --"carl wrote" --.well he writes a lot and most of it utter nonsense and the more we respond to him the more he will do it , The truth seems unimportant to him so long as he can say something vile about Israelis,so in spite of me now following Adam B,s good advice to always respond to lies ,I think in this case we totally waste our time as I do not think he is believed anyway. He continues to ignore Adam,s legitimate question so I think we should now ignore him .as it has proved a pointless exercise to engage with him .We cannot and should not attempt to stop him writing ,but we are under no compulsion to answer him either . For a minute, I thought I must have posted that message in my sleep(6:21am) Sounds like me,but I wouldn't engage with Carl,Phil. Other than that,I agree with "Leslie" well both Leslies the late riser and the early bird :) ES sometimes one reacts with emotion too quickly ,so I would be interested to know what happened at the debate ,do you know?-I did write to them asking why they conceded to scare tactics, but did not receive a response. If I had no respect for that institution I would not have bothered ,that was what upset me the most . I'm on E.Standard time Phil :) I hope you all signed the petition for Geert Wilders wilders&1 Phil ,I don,t mind if you don,t want to respond .Feel free Carl, yet another groundless allegation from you. And your source is? Do you condemn the Nazi Hamas charter Carl? phil you're right of course, Carl is an indoctrinated fanatic who never engages with anything one writes, but spews premanufactured slogans he's picked up from other haters. I just enjoy taunting him to be honest! John THomas: What happened to some Christians in India at the hands of some ignorant elements is highly condemnable and regrettable. The Christian community in India is a patriotic community and they unlike the Jehadis do not put their religion above national interests. The biggest threat to India today is from Jehadis (Ps see that I make a distinction between Jehadis and Muslims) both external and home-grown. And just like the EU, they pose a serious threat of annihilating the native Hindu culture.

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Adam B.
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Adam B.
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AdamB - her you are, just for you, one of many links about the murder of these children by the IDF: Do you condemn this murder and IDF brutality? Adam B so did I but I can,t be bothered with him any more ,he is just a waste of space .

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