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Contents . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


See also . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


External links . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Mysticism/What is mysticism?


What is mysticism

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The Path of Enlightenment . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


The Sermon on the Mount . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Breakthrough to Enlightenment . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Mysticism worldwide . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Videos . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


See also . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Mysticism/Mystic theology


The Desert Fathers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Teresa of vila . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Meister Eckhart . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


My experience of Jesus Christ


Finding God through the path of enlightenment




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External links . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

God and Religious Toleration/Christianity



Threefold Proof of Gods Existence . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



The Sermon on the Mount . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



Is There a Hell? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



Is There a Devil? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



Reformation of the Church . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



God is Love . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



Jesus as the One Way? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



Practice and Grace . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .




See also . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


4.10 External links . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Mysticism/Life After Death



Is There a Life After Death? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



Near death experience . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



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The death of the 16. Karmapa . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



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Reincarnation research . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



The Statements of the Enlightened . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



Discussion On 2013

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Paradise Meditation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



The Body . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



Energy Cloud . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



Stars . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



The World of Positive Souls . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



The World of Happy Souls . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



The World of the Holy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



The Great Transformation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



Seventh Heaven . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



Inner wisdom . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


5.7.10 Return . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


External links . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .




The arguments of the atheists

Discussion Over the Death of the Karmapa

Mysticism/Belief and brain research



Belief and brain research . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



Discussion . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



External links . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .





Scientic studies

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Thought transfer

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Healing Meditation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



The Lords Prayer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



External links . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Mysticism/Discussion on mysticism



Debate on (2013) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



Discussion 2013 (evangelical forum) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


God and Religious Toleration/Paradise Meditation





The Body . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



Energy Cloud . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



Stars . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



The World of Positive Souls . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



The World of Happy Souls . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



The World of the Holy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



The Great Transformation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



Seventh Heaven . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



Inner wisdom . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


9.10 Return . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


9.11 Meditation Music . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


9.12 See also . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


9.13 External links . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


9.14 Text and image sources, contributors, and licenses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


9.14.1 Text . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


9.14.2 Images . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


9.14.3 Content license . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Chapter 1

4. Belief and brain research
5. Prayer
6. Discussion on mysticism

1.2 See also

God and Religious Toleration
God (Wikiversity)
Christian mysticism (Wikiversity)
Yoga/Spiritual Almanac
Relaxation techniques (Wikiversity)

1.3 External links

Mysticism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Mysticism (Catholic Encyclopedia )
sacred-texts Mysticism
Mysticism is the pursuit of communion with, identity with, or conscious awareness of an ultimate reality, divinity, spiritual truth, or God through direct
experience, intuition, instinct or insight. Mysticism
usually centers on practices intended to nurture those
experiences. (Wikipedia)
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1.1 Contents
1. What is mysticism?
2. Mystic theology
3. Life After Death

Chapter 2

Mysticism/What is mysticism?
2.1 What is mysticism
Wikipedia: Mysticism is the pursuit of communion with,
identity with, or conscious awareness of an ultimate reality, divinity, spiritual truth, or God through direct experience, intuition, instinct or insight. Mysticism usually
centers on practices intended to nurture those experiences.
Mysticism may be dualistic, maintaining a distinction between the self and the divine, or may be nondualistic.
Such pursuit has long been an integral part of the religious life of humanity. Within established religion it has
been explicitly expressed within monasticism, where rules
governing the everyday life of monks and nuns provide a
framework conducive to the cultivation of mystical states
of consciousness. Practices associated with mysticism include meditation and contemplative prayer. Mysticism can
be distinguished from ordinary religious belief by its emphasis on the direct personal experience of unique states
of consciousness, particularly those of a transcendentally
blissful character.
In the Hellenistic world, 'mystical' referred to secret religious rituals. In early Christianity the term mystikos
referred to three dimensions, which soon became intertwined, namely the biblical, the liturgical and the spiritual
The Zen Circle is the highest that can be said about God. Moses:
or contemplative. The biblical dimension refers to hidden
The name of God is to be (I Am). God is harmony. God is a
or allegorical interpretations of Scriptures. The liturgical
dimension refers to the liturgical mystery of the Eucharist,
the presence Christ at the Eucharist. The third dimension is
the contemplative or experiential knowledge of God. The
link between mysticism and the vision of the Divine was inIn mysticism, we learn that there is a higher holistic troduced by the early Church Fathers, who used the term
reality. This reality can be understood as a higher as an adjective, as in mystical theology and mystical conconsciousness that encompasses everything and per- templation.
meates everything. It can be seen personal and unpersonal. It may be referred as God. There are many Under the inuence of Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite
religion terms like Nirvana (emptiness / unity ), Brah- the mystical theology came to denote the investigation
man (the absolute, the ultimate reality ) or light (Holy of the allegorical truth of the Bible. Pseudo-Dionysius
Spirit, spiritual energy). All founders of religions Apophatic theology, or negative theology, exerted a great
have made an enlightenment experience. God is a fact inuence on medieval monastic religiosity. It is best known
of experience on the spiritual path. In Buddhism en- nowadays in the western world from Meister Eckhart and
lightenment is central and in Christianity the center John of the Cross.
is God (God-consciousness). These are two dierent In the contemporary usage mysticism has become an
paths to the same goal. The goal is a mystery, which umbrella term for all sorts of non-rational worldviews.
William Harmless even states that mysticism has become
brings together many dierent spiritual ways.


a catch-all for religious weirdness. A popular strand cusing on aesthetically, externally perfect ritual form for
of thought sees a common mystical experience running show. (Hermann Oldenberg: Reden des Buddha. Page
through a wide diversity of religious traditions.
366)- It is helpeful to read spiritual books (Jnana yoga)
and to have sucient spiritual knowledge. Sometimes
one can only escape the danger of formal practice through
an enlightened master or guru, or through the grace of the
2.2 The Path of Enlightenment
cosmos in that you arrive at enlightenment through spontaneous experience.
The Dalai Lama recommends to test every master before
taking his path. (Dalai Lama: Dzogchen page 40). There
are many traps along the spiritual path that can be overcome with personal truth and wisdom. (Padmasambhava:
Der Fhrer auf dem Weg zur Wahrheit, page 34).
According to Swami Sivananda enlightenment occurs
through the three principles of calm, practice, and love.
If a person lives alone on a quiet place, then he or she
is already halfway to enlightenment. The second half is
then managed through spiritual practice. The gate to light
is passed through via the way of all-encompassing love.
1. Enlightenment comes about when tension in body and
mind is dissolved. The tension builds up through the
stress of life and false mental reactions toward that stress.
One can say an enlightened person is healthy inside.
2. Meditation and thought work are the main techniques
to let go of inner tension.
3. The enlightened mind is distinguished by inner peace
and calm. God is not an image, but inner peace and calm
facilitates higher consciousness. The human can suddenly
nd him or herself thinking within the unity of all. This
person can see things as they really are. He or she sees
Through enlightenment, one learns that there is a higher, things according to their connection. Whereas the person
unied reality. This reality can be seen as a higher con- was xated on the ego before, he or she now thinks withsciousness that encompasses everything and is present out the ego and nds him or herself one with the cosmos.
in everything. It can be taken as a personal and impersonal reality. There are various terms for this in as- 4. When the tensions of a person disappear, deep inner
sorted religions such as nirvana (emptiness or unity), peace becomes inner bliss, divine happiness. This perBrahman, (the absolute, the highest reality), or light (the son is one with him or herself and the world. He or she
holy ghost, enlightenment consciousness, spiritual en- feels peace, happiness, power, love and clarity. He or she
ergy). The founder of each religion has had an experi- has a higher consciousness, an expanded ability to underence with enlightenment. God is absolutely present along stand what is. He or she can think according to higher
the spiritual way, to be experienced. What exactly takes dimensions in the cosmos. The boundaries of time and
space disappear. One can sense the past and future. He
place still has to be explained by science.
or she can see things far away, and can transfer thoughts
The path of enlightenment consists of working on ones and energy.
thoughts and meditation. Then the mind can quiet down,
one rests in his or her true nature (in God) and inner peace 5. An enlightened person sees God as light in the world.
and happiness awakens. Buddhat taught the way of four He or she recognizes that there is a higher consciousness
steps to absorbtion (meditation combined with contem- that permeates everything. He or she is connected to this
plation, meditation without thinking, the dissolving of the consciousness of God.
ego and existing in Nirvana/God/Light). Patanjali consists of three steps which are concentration, meditation
and Samadhi (bliss).
2.3 The Sermon on the Mount
A large danger along every spiritual path is practicing habitually, like a machine. This empty ritual will not advance you spiritually. Buddha was against this type of
empty ritual. He advised the Brahmans (Hindu priests)
to concentrate on arriving at enlightenment instead of fo-

You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an

eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, don't
resist him who is evil; but whoever strikes you
on your right cheek, turn to him the other also.


can simply exist and nd a way to inner contentment
in God.
Suering in and of itself does not lead to happiness. However, those who can take suering in their lives and
raise themselves through spiritual exercises, can nd solace in inner peace. Mourning can help to let go, but
one should not allow the self to be overwhelmed by grief.
Grief is not the center of life, rather inner peace.
Those who can greet their fellow beings with nonviolence and placidity, can live in a relaxed and peaceful
way and relinquish into a cosmic consciousness. Those
who are at peace with all things, are at peace with themselves.
Justice means correctness in the Bible. To long for a correct life, means to long for a life in the light. Those who
long for happiness and search for it in the right places will
receive it one day, in the form of inner peace.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of

If anyone sues you to take away your coat, let

him have your cloak also. Whoever compels you
to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him
who asks you, and don't turn away him who desires to borrow from you. You have heard that
it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor, and
hate your enemy. 'But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those
who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat
you and persecute you.

Those full of empathy, will feel with the cosmos. Those

who love their enemies will experience inner harmony.
Those who experience the center of their existence as a
love for all other beings will be rewarded by God with
an all-encompassing love, peace, and inner happiness.
To dissolve inner tension, exercises for the body are required (going, meditation) and exercises for the spirit
(reading, thought exercises). Those who exercise spiritually every day will reach a lasting happiness one day.
Then one day the meaning of God will be found.

Those who let go of the ego, come into the light. Without
a sacrice, the breakthrough to enlightenment cannot be
made. Those who live according to these teachings and
therefore experience diculty in their daily lives, provide
the basis for such a spiritual sacrice. To let go in a spiritual manner is an art. Those who do not go about this the
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the right way create inner tension and conict. We should not
kingdom of heaven.
sacrice too little or too much. Those who go about this
the right way will be rid of their inner conict.
Blessed are they who mourn, for they will be
A peacemaker is a person who makes peace within the
self and the world. Those who are enlightened can be
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the called holy, a son or daughter of God. Those who live in
peace radiate peace into the world.
The central message of Jesus Mount Sermon is that
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righa person cannot serve two lords. He cannot serve God
teousness, for they will be satised.
(inner happiness) and money (the outer form of hap Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown piness). One has to decide for him or herself as to
what form of happiness he or she will seek to attain.
As a wise person, one must place the way of peace,
Blessed are the clean of heart, for they will see serenity, love, and spiritual exercises as the central
point of existence. In this way, he or she will one day
nd true happiness and live in the light.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be
called children of God.
Jesus meant poor in terms of the inner self, and not the
outer self. Outer poverty does not lead automatically to
inner happines. Those who let go of outer attachments,


2.4 Breakthrough to Enlightenment

There is in all people a thought which hinders the enlightenment and the inner happiness. This thought mostly has
something to do with unwisdom, immodesty and lack of
love to all. We need either wisdom, humility, resting,
self-discipline, some fun or universal love. We need a
special thought which awakens the lacking quality. Suddenly the happiness, the love, the light and the peace is
in us. The right word in the right moment for the right
person causes a breakthrough to inner happiness. What
is now your magic word?
1. Shower = We visualize a shower above us. We turn
on the shower and clean us with enlightenment energy.
We think the mantra Water and massage water (or light
energy) from head to toe in our body. We rub all tensions
and stress from the body.
2. Earthing = We rub the earth with our feet. We draw
a circle with a color of healing around us. We think the
name of our healing color several times as a mantra. What
is your healing color (purple, orange, yellow, red)?
3. Friend = We go in the shower on the spot. We move
our feet. We visualize a boyfriend or a girlfriend and say
a positive word. What is your positive word? Imagine
that the word actually reaches your person. Think your
word several times as a mantra: My word for... is... (I
love you.)"
4. Enemy = We remember an enemy (aggressive person).
Whom do you feel in this moment as an enemy? Who is
your opponent? Give him a positive word. What do you
say to him? Forgive him and get inner peace. Move a
hand and send him wisdom and love. Think your word so
long as a mantra, until you are in peace with your enemy.
5. A word for you = Investigate your own mind. Is there a
thought that blocks your inner peace, your happiness and
your love? Which positive word can overcome it? My
negative thought is ... My positive thought is ... (Forward
on the way of wisdom, love and happiness.)"

What is God (Nils Horn / mystic, video, 8 min.)

2.7 See also

Angel oracle

2.5 Mysticism worldwide

The following table briey summarizes the major forms
of mysticism within world religions and their basic concepts, as recognized by a Perennial perspective.

2.6 Videos
Bede Griths talks about the love of God (3 min.)
Bede Griths talks about God (5 min.)
David Steindl-Rast Search for Spirituality (5 Min.)

Chapter 3

Mysticism/Mystic theology

Mystical theology is a branch of theology which focuses on experiences or states of the soul which are
experienced mystically and cannot be produced by
human eort.

3.1 The Desert Fathers

Desert Fathers is a term for the early Christian Yogis, who
lived in the third century a reclusive life in the deserts of
Egypt and Syria, either as a hermit or in groups. The
main principle of the Desert Fathers was to sit down in
the hut (cell) and then feel the path of eective spiritual practice from within. They called it your hut will
teach you. The skill on the spiritual path is to nd exactly the right degree of personal rest and activity. Decisively on the path of enlightenment (inner happiness) is
to deal wise with the thoughts. We have to nd a way to
resolve the mental blockades. Then there is suddenly an
inner transformation and man is in happiness. The victory
over all suering is the awakening of the inner light (God
consciousness). An important problem of the Desert Fathers was dealing with sexuality. They have talked about
it openly. Who represses his sexuality, gets tensions and
blocks his enlightenment. On the other hand, too much
sex causes attachments and in turn creates internal tensions. The Desert Fathers have been trying to nd sensitive their personal way of resolution of sexual addictions
and relationship desires. A desert father convinced himself of living alone with the thought, that he had to work
much for a relationship. The life of a hermit is much more

Saint Anthony the Great, a Christian Yogi.

quiet and friendly. Another desert father saw women only

as people (sisters, daughters, mothers, goddesses) and not
as sexual beings. A third desert father had a girlfriend
in a nearby village. When he was visited by his fellow
monks, he hid her. A holy father discovered her, but he
did not betray. He only told the monk to give good care


of himself. This can be understood that one can have a

relationship, but without losing his spiritual path.

3.2 Pseudo-Dionysius



The desert fathers dealt also with the question, whether

it is more important to help a fellow human being, or to
pray. Who is holier, the helper or the prayer (contemplation)? Basically both is important. But the helper is holier
than the prayer. A helper could consume in helping and
lose his peace of mind. Therefor a helping man needs
the rest and prayer, if he wants to nd God. The desert
mother Synkletika knew that the hermit who want to live
a life in God, stands before a lot of inner work and hard
ghting. But in the end there would be an unspeakable
joy. On the path to God one should not overwhelm oneself. Some hermits need a ower in their hut, and some
do not. Suppose someone can not live without a ower,
he should plant one. Who needs joy on his way should
give himself sucient enjoyment.

Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite was a Christian theologian and philosopher of the late 5th to early 6th century
(writing before 532). According to him, the human soul
longs for God. This longing can only be satised through
the mystical unity with God. This recognition of God
is reached through inner cleansing, enlightenment and
unity. The recognition of God, to live with God, is the
highest form of bliss according to Areopagita. The way
to God can be described with the terms of darkness (becoming nothing) and light (bliss). First a person must get
rid of the inner dependences and attachments to material
things, then he or she must go through the darkness of
dissolving the ego and then wakes up in Gods light.

(Excerpts from Sayings of the Desert Fathers])

3.3 Teresa of vila

Abba Moses, Sit in thy cell and thy cell will teach
thee all.
A hermit said, 'Take care to be silent. Empty your
mind. Concentrate on God, whether you are resting
or at work. If you do this, you will overcome your
A man who keeps death before his eyes will at all
times overcome his problems.
Abba Lot went to see Abba Joseph and said to him,
'I fast a little, I pray and meditate, I live in peace,
and, as far as I can, I purify my thoughts. What else
can I do?' Then the old man stood up and stretched
his hands towards heaven. His ngers became like
ten lamps of re and he said to him, 'If you will, you
can become all ame.'
Abba Ammonas was asked, 'What is the narrow
and hard way?" (Mt. 7.14) He replied, 'The narrow and hard way is this, to control your thoughts,
and to strip yourself of your own will, for the sake
of God.
It was said of Abba Helladius that he spent twenty
years in the Cells, without ever raising his eyes to Teresa of vila
see the roof of the church.
Amma Theodora said, 'Let us strive to enter by the
narrow gate, Just as the trees, if they have not stood
before the winters storms cannot bear fruit, so it is
with us; this present age is a storm and it is only
through many trials and temptations that we can obtain an inheritance in the kingdom of heaven.'

Teresa of vila is a well known Christian mystic. Her

main technique was to practice four steps of anchoring
the self: 1. Mental prayer 2. Prayer of quiet (contemplation, meditation) 3. Devotion of union (bliss within God)
4.Devotion of ecstasy or rapture What is the soul in this
condition! She would like nothing else than tongues to
praise the Lord.

3.4 Meister Eckhart

Meister Eckhart was an important theologian and
philosopher of the late Middle Ages. He taught of an
impersonal image of God and of a way to enlightenment
through meditation. A person should not just think about
God. those who have God in their very existenceis illuminated in all things, and all things taste of God, and
Gods image is visible in all things. Striving and eort
and attention to the inner world belong to this. He must
learn an inner solitude wherever and with whomever he
may be. He must learn to break through things and to
reach for God within. He should be procient in this art
of being, and should practice this often.

3.5 My experience of Jesus Christ


evening, I suddenly had the feeling that I was seen from
the sky. It was as if at the sky there was a large eye that
saw me. The message of this eye was: You can go your
way with trust. You are guided by God. I read the Bible
thoroughly from front to back. Through my experiences
of enlightenment I could now understand the deep wisdom in the Scriptures. I also understood what the term
God did mean.
One day I layed on my bed and meditated. My thoughts
always came to rest more and more. Suddenly Jesus
Christ stood as a great shining light in the middle of the
room. Back then I lived for six years as a hermit in seclusion. I knew immediately that this luminary was Jesus
Christ. Jesus came to me and oated into me. I was lled
with bliss. I rested for some time in this unimaginably
large energy of love, peace and light.

3.6 Finding God through the path

of enlightenment

Nils (mystic)

Nils: My parents are atheists. After my studies, I became a lawyer. When I was thirty, I found my spiritual
calling in addition to my profession. I did three hours
of spiritual exercise daily. In November 1986 I had my
rst big enlightenment experience. During a meditation
while lying down, a warm column of energy slowly rose
from my lower belly. As the energy reached my head,
my self-consciousness disappeared, I became one with
the all-encompassing love of the cosmos. I experienced
extreme happiness. I was suddenly able to understand
the holy books written throughout mankinds history at
a deeper level.
The high point of my spiritual experience was what I felt
as the entrance of the Holy Spirit. A thick beam of energy
ew from the sky and into my crown chakra. The energy
owed through my body and lled it out completely. On
my head was a small ame of energy. This experience is
comparable with the Pentecost event. On the heads of the
early Christians appeared small energy tongues. Spontaneously arose in me the thought that now I have been
blessed by the Holy Spirit. I felt the energy beam as a descent of the Holy Spirit. A short time later I had another
amazing experience. When I made my daily walk one

God is a mystery that can be seen and understand only

by enlightenment. One can see God only in enlightenment. The Bible says: Blessed are the pure in heart: for
they shall see God. Who cleans his heart (his mind) with
spiritual exercises, enters the dimension of God and sees
God. With funding of physics or logic, we can describe
God very limited. Science cannot explore more than circumstantial evidences for God. If one really want to know
whether God exists, one must realize enlightenment.
1. Purify yourself. Do walking (body work, pilgrimage),
meditation and mental work. Practice the ve qualities


inner peace, love, wisdom, self-discipline and happiness. Moses. If we accept suering in our lives and arrive
in a state of non-attachment (in a state of I am, of
2. Pray to Jesus, God or Mother Mary.
God consciousness), then we can integrate suering
3. Pray for all people. Send all people light. All- into our greater souls. Then inner bliss arises and we
encompassing love is the quickest way to a life in God. live in light despite any suering.
Move a hand in blessing and think, I send light to (name).
May all people be happy. May the world be happy.
4. Connect daily with God or the enlightened Masters
(the saints) and follow the voice of your inner wisdom.
Read in the holy books, pray or think a mantra as: Dear
God (Om all enlightened Masters). Om inner wisdom.
Please guide and help me on my way.
5. Think positive. Become positive through forgiveness,
positive living and thankfullness.

3.7 Discussion
(Quote Forum, 2011)
Nils: There is only one religion, the religion of love.
All religions are dierent roads to that one religion. When
we allow ourselves to be found by God, to be containers
and channels of love, there will be paradise on earth and
Kahlan: I found it very interesting that you have a daily
structure, a system. That is something that also exists in
daily life of a monastery: an order and structure. That is
what is so appealing for people who visit monasteries, in
this peace and quiet of order they are able to relax and
nd peace.
Nils: Thats exactly the way it is. You use a structured
daily plan to nd a calm state of being. However, in most
monasteries theres a chance one works too much, does
too many rituals or has too much contact with other people. Then one uses all of his or her energy for material
things and has none left to turn inward. When one lives
in a state of calm and doing little, then at some point,
the energy focuses inward. At that point, inner tension begins to dissolve, and the person begins to grow
in light. This point is dicult to nd and hold onto. This
hardly works with other people around. First being alone
feels intolerably boring and then one starts to really feel
uncomfortable, and then suddenly the hermit is in God
and bliss.
Norbert: Why does God allow suering in the world?
Nils: I dont ask myself this, because I see Godconscioness as the state of enlightenment. Those who
are enlightened can fully (Buddha) or partially (Jesus) rise
over suering. Those who walk the spiritual path can
use spiritual techniques (meditation, contemplation)
to help with suering. Suering is. Where life is,
there is suering. If we want to live, we have to accept suering as a part of that. We can only try to
reduce or avoid suering of the mind and body. An
important way to get over suering is shown to us by

3.8 External links

Wikipedia: Mystical theology
Wikipedia: Christian meditation

Chapter 4

God and Religious Toleration/Christianity

4.1 Threefold Proof of Gods Existence

Blessings Jesus Christ.

Christianity is a religion with many dierent sides.

There are the mystics, politicians, missionaries and
charitable Christians. The medieval Christians
led bloody wars among themselves, made crusades
against the Islam, exterminated indigenous peoples
in the colonization, killed in witch hunts many innocent women and recorded themselves in the inquisition processes by particular cruelty. In the past christianity often was a religion of intolerance, although
its founder Jesus was an enlightened (Son of God)
and tought love and peace. If a peacefull religion
gets connected with worldly power, it is a great danger that the goal of the religion changes. Instead of
making all people happy religion becomes a tool to
dominate other people. In todays world we can see
many Christians return to values such as peace, love
and tolerance.

The Good Shepherd. Father of all beings. All-embracing love.

In Christianity, God is dened as Father, Son, and

Holy Spirit. From this point of view comes the threefold proof of Gods existence. The threefold proof is
attained by bringing spirituality and science together
into a cohesive harmony of concept.
1. God as the Father is the universe.
---> God and Quantum Physics (Wikiversity)
2. God as the Son is every enlightened being.
3. God as the Holy Spirit is the spiritual being that
every sensitive being can sense around him or herself. This can be perceived as light, love, peace and bliss.
With this power, enlightened and highly developed spiritual people can help others. The bible describes how Je-



sus poured Holy Spirit onto his disciples on Pentecost.
He lled his followers with this Holy Spirit. The followers felt radiantly and divinely happy and radiated an aura
of pure light.

4.2 The Sermon on the Mount

Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown
Blessed are the clean of heart, for they will see
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be
called children of God.
Jesus meant poor in terms of the inner self, and not the
outer self. Outer poverty does not lead automatically to
inner happines. Those who let go of outer attachments,
can simply exist and nd a way to inner contentment
in God.
Suering in and of itself does not lead to happiness. However, those who can take suering in their lives and
raise themselves through spiritual exercises, can nd solace in inner peace. Mourning can help to let go, but
one should not allow the self to be overwhelmed by grief.
Grief is not the center of life, rather inner peace.
Those who can greet their fellow beings with nonviolence and placidity, can live in a relaxed and peaceful
way and relinquish into a cosmic consciousness. Those
who are at peace with all things, are at peace with themselves.
Justice means correctness in the Bible. To long for a correct life, means to long for a life in the light. Those who
long for happiness and search for it in the right places will
receive it one day, in the form of inner peace.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of

Those full of empathy, will feel with the cosmos. Those

who love their enemies will experience inner harmony.
Those who experience the center of their existence as a
You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an love for all other beings will be rewarded by God with
eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, don't an all-encompassing love, peace, and inner happiness.
resist him who is evil; but whoever strikes you To dissolve inner tension, exercises for the body are reon your right cheek, turn to him the other also. quired (going, meditation) and exercises for the spirit
If anyone sues you to take away your coat, let (reading, thought exercises). Those who exercise spirihim have your cloak also. Whoever compels you tually every day will reach a lasting happiness one day.
to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him Then one day the meaning of God will be found.
who asks you, and don't turn away him who deThose who let go of the ego, come into the light. Without
sires to borrow from you. You have heard that
a sacrice, the breakthrough to enlightenment cannot be
it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor, and
made. Those who live according to these teachings and
hate your enemy. 'But I tell you, love your enetherefore experience diculty in their daily lives, provide
mies, bless those who curse you, do good to those
the basis for such a spiritual sacrice. To let go in a spiriwho hate you, and pray for those who mistreat
tual manner is an art. Those who do not go about this the
you and persecute you.
right way create inner tension and conict. We should not
sacrice too little or too much. Those who go about this
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the the right way will be rid of their inner conict.
kingdom of heaven.
A peacemaker is a person who makes peace within the
Blessed are they who mourn, for they will be self and the world. Those who are enlightened can be
called holy, a son or daughter of God. Those who live in
peace radiate peace into the world.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the
The central message of Jesus Mount Sermon is that
a person cannot serve two lords. He cannot serve God
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righ- (inner happiness) and money (the outer form of hapteousness, for they will be satised.
piness). One has to decide for him or herself as to



what form of happiness he or she will seek to attain.

As a wise person, one must place the way of peace,
serenity, love, and spiritual exercises as the central
point of existence. In this way, he or she will one day
nd true happiness and live in the light.

this word was to enshroud. The afterworld is hidden from most people, and only reveals itself to clairvoyants.

When considering the term hell from this perspective,

as a thing merely hidden from view, it sounds much less
---> Spirituality in life (relationships, family, single, old threatening. To go to hell simply means to go to the
afterlife. It is already a step up on an emotional level.
The individual gets happier. When we look at death
more closely, the individual loses the material body and
all the suering which goes with it. The individual loses
4.3 Is There a Hell?
sickness and bodily injury or handicap.
The afterlife reects the tendencies one has in the material life on earth. Those who are addicted to some
form of enjoyment, or are addicted to attaining more and
more material belongings or riches, or are obsessed with
rage, fear, or sadness, take these spiritual states with them
into the afterlife. These beings are somewhat happier
than they were on earth, but not by much. In principle,
such individuals stay the same as they were before.
Christianity subscribed to heavily to the term hell in
the Middle Ages. From this hell, it was supposed that
a realm of fear and torture existed. Christian priests
used this angle of fear to motivate their followers to
exercise their spirituality. Others used this fear to
manipulate from a purely power- driven standpoint,
devoid of spiritual gain. This was not just a traditional
Christian problem, but also in religious systems such as
Hinduism and Buddhism was the concept of a painful afterlife overstated.
This misuse of the term hell should be pushed aside.
A bit of nervousness regarding this concept is not
such a bad thing as a motivator towards a more spiritual life, but fullblown fear is damaging to a spiritual
worldview and hinders the development of a spiritual
soul. Modern near-death research emphasizes light and
not darkness. Most experiences with the other side are
German Goddess Hell (love) with her hound (power) and her
serpent (enlightenment energy, happiness).

The topic hell is hotly debated. Most people do not

believe there is such a thing. The larger religions, however, emphasize its existence. In Christianity, Judaism,
Islam, Hinduism, and also in Buddhism, it is taught that
there is a hell. How can we nd out the truth regarding Hell? What do the people who can travel with their
consciousness into the other side say about this? What do
the enlightened have to say regarding Hell?

4.4 Is There a Devil?

The Christian faith believed the Devil occupied Hell. The
Christian image of the Devil was an evil demon who
tortured poor souls in his domain. A ruling devil with
many lower demons as his minions who tried to tempt the
pious from their faith completed this image.
When we look closely at the Bible, we see that the Devil
is not discussed very often. Moses reported of a snake
who lived in paradise and wound itself around a tree.
The snake is the symbol for Kundalini energy in yoga.
This snake winds itself around the tree of enlightenment, the middle energy canal. The snake embodies
the wisdom of life in the energy of inner happiness.

The exact meaning of the term hell is also often discussed. In Buddhism and Hinduism, Hell is considered
an plane of energy that exists between earth and paradise.
The word hell is only another term for the astral
world. This description can be conrmed with a look
into the history of the word. The word hel was orig- The snake gave Eve an apple of paradise. The apple had
inally used to describe the afterlife. One meaning of a spherical shape. The sphere is a symbol of unity, of


Before the inner conict within a person dissolve, they
strengthen for a time. A strong feeling of aversion to a
spiritual life appears and the worldly pleasures appear for
a time to be more important than god. They appear as a
large source of confusion and temptation.
With a little imagination, the devil can be imagined. One
can see the ego as a sort of inner devil who stops one in the
path towards enlightenment. However, this devil is not
a being, but a part of the individuals own self. This is
a visualized ego conict. In the Bible it is described with
an image, a presence, but this is not to be taken literally.
In Buddhism, the devil is called Mara. Before he achieved
enlightenment, Mara came to Buddha. Buddha reached
his hand towards the earth, activated his root chakra, and
rid himself of this ego conict. Mara and his entire army
of temptation disappeared. After Buddha triumphed, the
light of enlightenment owed within. With Jesus, it meant
that angels came and served him, after he managed to
overwhelm his ego.

4.5 Reformation of the Church

Poor devil. Lives only his ego.

entirety. A person is whole in and of him or herself. He

or she has reached a cosmic consciousness. The sphere is
the cosmos, the God, in which the enlightened individual
The snake in the Bible is not the devil. Where then is
the devil? Jesus spoke of demons. He exorcised demons,
drove them out. Demons are souls with many negative characteristics. Generally speaking, good people
have more good characteristics, bad people more bad
characteristics. Good people become helpful spirits and
bad people tend to be more evil-doing, problem causing
Despite this tendency, there are still good points in bad
people. They are only mislead. Sometimes bad people are considered devils of sorts, but they are not really. They are only poor, lost souls in need of help and
guidance. This is exactly the case with malevolent spirits. Communion. Become one with Jesus. Get his energy.
There is no such thing as a real devil who is a manifestation of absolute evil. This is only a construction Atheist: The Catholic Church has other ideas, unfortuof the minds of some priests.
The Bible refers to a devil who came to Jesus as he sat
for forty days in the desert and meditated. Shortly before
Jesus came to enlightenment, the devil appeared to him.
The devil wanted to stop him from destroying his ego and
from attaining the point where he could stay in the light.

Yogi: The Catholic Church is partially stuck in the

Middle Ages, in terms of their ideas and beliefs. They
missed an opportunity to change with the times, which
they should quickly rectify, otherwise there will only be
atheists in the world. And that would be a real shame.



I believe in the Catholic Church. I have friends who are

Catholic Christians. The way to t Christian beliefs with
current knowledge, is not as dicult as the Catholics
believe. They already have many progressive thinkers.
I refer to Bede Griths (who was an undogmatic, enlightened master, and a Catholic priest in India), David
Steindl-Rast, Frere Roger, Mother Teresa and Anthony
the Great (the rst Christian Yogi).
Jesus was a teacher of enlightenment. The Roman emperor Constantine made Christianity the ocial religion,
from which point it became a way to control the population, to use as a tool for power. The Second Vatican
Council (1963-1965) then made a big change in ideology from religion of oppression to a religion of love and
peace. But remants of the past still hinder the Churchs
ability to move forward into the future.

Atheist: You have your interpretation of the Bible, but I

could imagine another just as well.
Yogi: Jesus gave humanity a new idea of God. God
is a God of love according to Jesus. Most Christians
believe in a God of love. We should defend ourselves
against confused fanatics. They have the wrong idea
about religion.
Agnostic: You mean God has something to do with love,
but you cannot prove it.
Yogi: I can prove that. God is a term from the experiences of the enlightenment. When you live in God,
you experience love. You live in the energy of peace,
love, and happiness. God has everything to do with love.

Esther: Gods most important concern is love. And so

we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love.
The Church needs to comprehend what is intended Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him.(
with the term God. God is not a person, rather a di- John 4,16)
mension of consciousness. God is a term from the Nils: Thank you. That is exactly the way it is. God and
experiences of the enlightened (the holy). The Bible enlightenment (holiness) are two sides of the same
didnt y down from heaven, rather it was developed by coin and the middle is love.
enlightened prophets. The real saints of the Catholic
Agnostic: The Bible is a collection of myths.
Church are the enlightened.
Father dn: Ive been following the discussion for Nils: Thats right. Thats how I see it as well. The old
awhile. Id just like to say that religion is important for Testament is mostly a collection of myths. The myths
salvation. Greetings from my Saxonian rectory, and I serve as a description of the way to enlightenment.
The new Testament, which is what Christianity is based
wish you a fullling life!
on, is however not a collection of myths. The mountain
sermon is the most important part of the new testament and is a direct indication of the way to go about
4.6 God is Love
the spiritual path. The statements made there t according to the knowledge of many of todays enlightened.
---> "Mother Teresa: The fruit of calm is prayer. The
fruit of prayer is belief. The fruit of belief is love. The
fruit of love is service. The fruit of service is happiness.
In meditation, conict and tension dissipate. When all
conict recedes, inner happiness remains. The human
lives in God. He or she experiences God and believes
in God. With God, love and goodness awaken. He or she
would then like to help his suering fellow beings. He or
she remains in God when he lives from that point of inner
calm, and for the good of all beings.

4.7 Jesus as the One Way?

Christian: Jesus Christ said: I am the way and the truth
and life, no one comes to the Lord without me.
Yogi: This sentence has been misunderstood by many
Christians. Jesus didnt say that he was the only enAnna Franziska: I am a Christian, but I respect Muslims, lightened and the only way to God. If that were so,
Jews, Buddhists, and other religions.
he would have denunciated spiritual masters such as
Yogi: Thanks. We should all respect one another.
Abraham, Moses, John the Baptists as false prophets.


principle incorrectly. One can also understand this sentence, that one has to develop the qualities of an enlightened (Jesus, Buddha) to attain enlightenment. Personally,
I can accept that every religion thinks its founder is the
only true enlightened one. Scientically and with respect
to tolerance and religious freedom, we should honor all
positive religions as paths to God.
Those who consider their religion as the one true religion, only serve to strengthen violence on earth. When
we fail to stop this, there will always be faith driven wars.
When a group of believers think they are the only ones
who are right, they need to then slay their foes, those
who believe otherwise in a physical or spiritual way. A
too rigid interpretation of the sentence I am the way
is incorrect. Every enlightened is a son or daughter
of God. He or she embodies God consciousness. The
Christians need to let go of the idea that Jesus was the
only enlightened master. This idea is understandable
from a psychological standpoint, but fully unacceptable in scientic terms.

4.8 Practice and Grace

Ego Sacrice.

Jesus didnt seek to start his own religion. He explained

clearly I did not come here to dissolve the teachings of
Moses or other prophets, I am here to fulll their teachings.
Jesus saw himself as a person who had realized the
laws and testaments of the Bible in his life. He wanted
to take the Jewish people back to the original point
of the Bible. He wanted them to practice spirituality.
Many Jews had interpreted the teachings at the time in
a dogmatic way and were missing the true point of these
Without enlightened teachers, every religion can become dogmatic. The task of the enlightened is to
bring humans back to eective spiritual exercise.
The words I am the way should be understood in
this light. Every enlightened is a way to God. When
we understand the words in that sense, then we can refer
to the necessity of enlightened masters to eectively practice spirituality. The Desert Fathers (St. Anthony) had
this principle and were therefore successful on their spiritual path. Later the Christian church has abandoned this

Ascention. Practicing and grace will come.

Christian: We are saved through grace. Grace cannot be

worked on.
Yogi: Enlightenment occurs through spiritual practice and grace. To reduce enlightenment to grace is
a big mistake. It encourages spiritual laziness. One
has to practice intensively if he or she wishes to get a life



in God. The Dalai Lama teaches, enlightenment is hard

work. I can conrm that after twentytwo years living as
a yogi. Grace is part of it, but laziness is not smiled upon
by God.
Jesus explained, those who believe in me will go to
heaven. He meant a real and deep belief with that statement. The non-enlightened are not capable of total belief.
The Dalai Lama has the two hand teaching. One hand
is that of the student, and the other that of the master. Only when both hands work towards the goal,
can the student be brought to the world of light.
Jesus Christ sat for forty days and nights in the desert.
Than the angels of God came to him and served him.
Those who wish to live in God must meditate. The
Gospel of Thomas says search for a place of calm.
Meditation is the way to a godly life. The early Christian desert fathers meditated in the desert like Yogis.

4.9 See also

Biblical Studies/Christianity
Christianity (Wikiversity)
God and Religious Toleration/Paradise Meditation

4.10 External links

Christianity for Kids.
Light A Candle.
Download Angel Oracle in various formats (PDF,
Epub, Kindle).

Chapter 5

Mysticism/Life After Death

on a sort of hard drive on the tangible (the brain)
and that I have also transferred this data onto the
spiritual quantum eld (the spirit, the indepenendent
consciousness), then I could say that I do not lose this
information, this conscioiusness. The body dies but
the spiritual quantum eld continues. In this way, I
am immortal. (P.M. Magazin 05/2007)

5.2 Near death experience

Over the centuries, the life after death has been a topic
of much theological discussion. Essentially there are ve
references to a life after death: the quantum physics (Professor Drr), the near death research (Pam Reynolds), the
after death research (Karmapa), the reincarnation cases
(Shanti Devi) and the statements of the enlightened (the

5.1 Is There a Life After Death?

Wikipedia: Near death research. The near death research conrms that the mind can think independently from the body. 1991 the 35 year-old Pam
Reynolds underwent a brain operation. Her blood
was routed from her brain and she was placed in a
state of articial coma. Her head was attached with
wires to measure brain waves. It was ascertained that
no brain waves could travel during this half an hour.
The thought processes were blocked, and examined as
no hormone release could occur. Hallucinations were
not possible in this state. And it just so happened
that Pam Reynolds had her out of body experience at
this time.

She oated with her soul out of her body. She observed from above all of the details of her operation.
She then oated through a tunnel to a world of light.
There, she met her dead grandmother and other people. The beings there lived in a paradise dimension
and possessed positive energy. With their energy,
they strengthened Ms. Reynolds so that she could go
through her operation successfully. In a BBC inter You are 78 years old. Do you believe in for after- view, Pam Reynolds explained that she had experilife? Is there existence after death? Professor Drr: enced the breath of God. (Video Pam Reynolds)
That is an interesting question. What we consider The special aspect of the case of Pam Reynolds lies with
the here and now, this world, is actually just the ma- the fact that modern measurement equipment showed that
terial level. The beyond is an innite reality that is the consciousness of a person exists even when the stu of
much bigger, which this world is rooted in. In this the brain is shut o. This leads one to conclude that there
way, our lifes in this plane of existence are encom- must be an independent consciousness separate from the
passed, surrounded, by the afterworld already. If I body. The body and soul are two independent manifestaimagine that I have written my existence in this world tions of energy.

Quantum physics has proven by physical tests that a

higher dimension in the universe exists (Alain Aspect).
The former head of the Max Planck Institute for
Physics in Munich, Professor Hans-Peter Drr believes that the brain by thinking forms a eld of consciousness (quantum eld) that can exist after the
death of the body in the higher dimension further.





The arguments of the atheists

muscle bers evoked the body experience.

Nils: That is a claim without sucient evidence.

The main argument of Gerald M. Woerlee (2005) is

that Pam should have been awake during the operation.
This argument is very questionable. With a heavy brain
surgery one can not awake and can not follow the conversations in the room and watch the proceedings. Especially
when the blood is pumped out largely from the brain, the
ears stoppered and the eyes are connected, and a cessation of brain waves is measured. There are many cases of
near-death experience and all to explaine by a wake at the
operation is very questionable. Waking up in the anesthesia is 1.3 from 1000 people. Near-death experiences have
about 30% of the people. So the near-death experiences
usually can not be explained by an awakening during the
Woerlee: I can look back on more than 20 years of professional experience as an anesthesiologist, and it has always fascinated me, how the body is able to create seemingly paranormal experiences. So I know that this experience was caused by the interaction of the reactions of Pam
Reynolds bodies and their consciousness of her situation
and her anesthesia.

Woerlee: The high-frequency sound of the pneumatic

saw, together with the subsequent feeling that her skull was
sawed open, called in her memories the image of a device
that looked like a dentist drill.
Nils: You use the term safe when you think highly
speculative. You try to convince the reader your view
of things. Pam Reynolds said, however, that she had expected a kind of saw. And she described previously completely unknown details: I had assumed that they would
open the skull with a saw. I had heard the term saw, but
what I then saw reminded me more of a drill. There were
also several small drills in a box that looked like the tool
box of my father when I was a child.
On closer inspection, the arguments of Woerlee dissolve.
There are thousands of further researches. Who wants to
know exactly, should familiarize themselves thoroughly in
the research. I did that to me. And other people did so
too and came to the same results as I.

The experts largely agree that there is no natural explanation. At the moment, the most speaks for the duality
of the brain and soul. Even in science is hotly debated.
Nils: Knowledge is an unacceptable claim. You would There are dierent camps. There are the materialists
have said better: I believe
and the holistic thinker. And thats good. The result is
Woerlee: Sometimes the concentration of the anesthetics progress.
for a narcotic eect is not enough. These people stay ---> Quote from the homepage of the Human base project
awake: they hear whats going on in their environment, in December 2009: The attending physician, Dr. Spetzler
they feel the work of surgeons and other persons and see does not believe that Pam could know the facts from a
what happens when their eyes are open.
previous observation: There were the devices for her just
not visible. The drills and the other things were covered
or wrapped. They will not be discovered or unpacked,
before the patient is not fully asleep. This is necessary to
keep the area sterile. In this phase of the operation, no
one can see or hear something. It is inconceivable that in
this phase senses like hearing do work. Apart from that,
Woerlee: As Pam Reynolds during the operation several
we put earphones for the click test in her ears. There was
times was conscious, I suspect, however, that neither isouno way for her to hear the talks.
rane nor enurane were used as additional anesthetics.
Without the application of these gases it is likely that the
patient wakes up during surgery, and thats what happened
5.3 The death of the 16. Karmapa
to Pam Reynolds.
Nils: A wake up under anesthesia comes at 1.3 from 1000
people. Near-death experiences have about 30% of the
people. So the near-death experiences usually can not be
explained by an awakening during the operation. If their
eyes are open. Pam Reynolds eyes were closed.

Nils: You simply assert without proof that Pam Reynolds

is woken up several times during the operation. This is Enlightened Tibetan masters traditionally stay in their
bodies for three days after death. This is recognized
very unlikely.
by the fact that their bodies do not begin to decompose
Woerlee: The screech of the saw woke Pam Reynolds.
and that the heart chakra is warm. This fact can be exNils: The saw does not have the volume of a chainsaw, but plained with the continuation of life after death. The 16th
the buzz of an electric toothbrush. In a deep anesthesia Karmapa died in 1981 in a hospital in Chicago. He stayed
three days after his death with his soul in his body and he
one does not awake from this.
showed the special abilities of an high enlightened. The
Woerlee: She could hear people talking to each other.
body did not rot in that time and the heart region was
Nils: The ears were stoppered. It is very unlikely that she warm. Dr. Levy cared for him until his death:
could follow the operation talks.
Woerlee: A malfunction of the brain, triggered by the
interaction of anesthetics with the abnormal function of

Early the next day he died actually. We saw the

change on the monitors. The heart pulse changed in


48 hours after his death, his chest was still warm.
In this moment, my hands were both warm, and his
chest was warmer than my hand. In order to test
this, I moved my hands to the side of his chest, away
from his heart, and there it was cold. I then felt the
middle again, and above his heart it was warm. I
pinched his skin and found that it was still elastic
and completely normal. After 36 hours, the dead
typically have skin comparable to dough. And his
skin was still like that of the living after 48 hours. It
was as if he werent dead. Shortly after we left the
room, the surgeon came and said, he is warm, he is
warm. And then it came to be that the medical sta
asked again and again if he were still warm. It was
naturally consistent to the traditional Tibetan experience. Developed individuals like his Holiness stay in
their bodies after breath and heartbeat have stopped,
within a state of deep meditation. After three days the
Samadhi ended. It was recognized that his Holiness
was no longer warm and that the process of death set
in. After this, the atmosphere changed, it too became
normal. (Quotes

5.3.1 Discussion Over the Death of the

Nils: The Tibetan masters have considered how they can
prove the existence of the soul beyond death. They prove
this in that after physical death, the soul remains in the
body for three days. Enlightened masters possess this
a way, that clearly shows that the heart fails. (...) ability. This is recognizable in that the heart chakra reWith all the drugs we could not get him high again. mains warm and the body doesnt decompose, and the
We continued to work, gave medications, and then presence of the master can be perceived by sensitive peohis heart stand still. I realized that it was over. You ple.
could see his heart die on the monitor. This was the What is special in the case of the Karamapa is that he
point when I gave up. His Holiness had been lying selected a normal, Western hospital in America, with avthere dead about 45 minutes. We started to pull out erage, everyday doctors as witnesses. Interesting is that
the feeding tube, when I suddenly saw that his blood the Karmapa had already died to the point where the
pressure was 140 to 80. My rst reaction was that doctors had given up and had turned o the measuring
someone leans against the pressure monitor. It was devices when the Karmapa returned to his body and lived
impossible that he became alive again. Then a nurse on, according to the reports of the doctors responsible for
screamed: He has a good pulse! ! He has a good treating him. These things cannot be explained in matepulse. One of the older Rinpoche patted me on the rial terms. I dont know of any account of this matter in
back, as if he wanted to say:" It is impossible, but it which atheists could make some comment. They remain
happens. The heart rate of His Holiness was 80, his silent when presented with the facts.
blood pressure 140 to 80th in that moment. No one
said a word now. It was a moment of That does Thale: All of these examples do not serve as proof for life
not exist. It can not be. It was clearly the greatest after death.
miracle that I had ever seen. I mean, it was not only Nils: Amit Goswami established that an information eld
an extraordinary moment. It happened an hour af- (the Other Side, a quantum eld, a higher dimension, conter his heart beating had stopped. I ran out of the sciousness eld) must exist behind the material cosmos.
room to tell Trungpa Rinpoche, that His Holiness is That can be proven according to quantum physics. To get
alive again. I had the impression that His Holiness more into detail, I recommend the book The Conscious
returned to try if this body can still carry his spirit. Universe from Amit Goswami, and the book Gods SeSo he came back to see if his body was still usable. cret Thoughts, from Volker Becker. Even the String theOnly the power of his returning consciousness could ory, which dominates physics at the moment, says that a
higher dimension is recognized as existing in the material
do that.

16th Karmapa



cosmos. A higher eld of information is implied in the

String Theory. The big question is only whether the human brain can really build an independent quantum eld
capable of existing in the context of a higher information eld after death. Drr implied it according to near
death research. According to the Karmapa case and statements made by clairvoyants and enlightened individuals,
it is likely. A complete change of point of view on the
part of science is represented here, which most atheists
have unfortunately failed to notice. I am here to change

and feelings. The soul is a cloud of consciousness that is

in and around the body. The soul is an oscillating connection to a higher cosmic information eld. The deciding
point is whether there is such a higher cosmic information eld. The experiments conducted in quantum physics
speak in favor of this. The string theory also speaks in
favor of it. The ndings of near death research and the
expriences of clairvoyants also refer to the existence of a
higher information eld. There are many indications for
the existence of a higher cosmic dimension. When there
is such a higher dimension, then it is quite possible that
Thale: The Karmapa case could have been the result of the consciousness of humans can also survive after death.
any number of things.
Nils: Thats right. But up to now, no one has been able
to explain it. The continued existence of the soul after
death is the most probable explanation up to this point.
So long as the further existence of the soul after death is
likelier than the non-existence of it, one should live oriented around this idea.

5.4 Reincarnation research

Wikipedia: reincarnation research. The reincarnation reThale: The Karmapa incident can also be attributed to search approaches more and more to the fact that there
genetic makeup, coincidence, imagination, through any are past lives. Thousands of reports were investigated
number of things.
. The witnesses could accurately describe the previous
Nils: This statement proves your lack of insight. A warm places and situations, although they were never there and
heart chakra denitely cannot be explained through ge- had heard nothing about it in the normal way. The most
netic predisposition. Who can think up such nonsense? well-known reincarnation researcher in the West is ProCoincidence isnt a very good argument either, particu- fessor Ian Stevenson from the University of Virginia. He
larly when said coincidence occurs again and again. The examined over the course of 40 years over 3.000 reincarenlightened masters of Tibetan Buddhism spend three nations situations throughout the world. Often, he noticed
days after death in their bodies, and there are hundreds similarities in behavior and bodily signals in line with the
of examples of this on record. I also nd it amazing that former incarnation.
you refer to hundreds of other phenomena without giving sources. You are well-schooled in Sophism, but every sophist can be proved wrong with clear reasoning. I
have also forgotten the point relating to imagination. The
Karmapa died in a western hospital. That a doctor in such
a setting would imagine a warm heart chakra and elastic
skin, is unlikely. He examined the Karmapa thoroughly
after death, because he could hardly believe his own observations. Furthermore, there are many similar cases
and the rest of the hospital sta also saw the Karmapa.

One of the most well-known cases of reincarnation in India is Shanti Devi. She was born in 1926 in New Delhi
and could remember her previous life as a house wife in
Mathura. Although she was never in that location, she
was able to describe her previous husband, her previous house, and the city itself. She could even remember
where she had always hidden her money in her former

Thale: Show me the evidence for the existence of an afterlife.

Nils Horn, My beliefs are based mainly on my own

experiences. I have seen about thousand previous
lifes in the course of my spiritual cleansing processes.
After seven years as a Yogi, I was suddenly overcome by the wish to know my earlier life. I went
back in my meditation to a previous time and felt resonance with a particular time. I felt a sort of resistance, and looked in that direction and could spiritually see four earlier lifes. After eleven years as a
Yogi, many former lifes came in dreams to the surface of my consciousness. Diering from the conscious perceptions while meditating, very clear lmlike scenes- appeared. I could see the details of the
situations and the environment I was in at the time of
the previous life. From the single pictures I could see
geographical details.

Nils: If you want evidence, look at near death research,

the death of the Karmapa, the reports of the afterlife
from clairvoyants and the enlightened, the experiences
acquired through regression therapy, reincarnation research, quantum physics experiments (especially Alain
Aspect, but many other experiments are described in the
book by Amit Goswami). Parapsychology also indicates
the existence of higher cosmic dimensions.
Thale: But you need to show us the basis for your knowledge that you use to prove the sceptics wrong.
Nils: The basis of the existence of the soul after death is
the duality from the body and the consciousness. The soul
is consciousness energy. The soul consists of thoughts



5.5 The Statements of the Enlightened

hypnotized person tells deals with information that cannot be veried. Another interesting category is things the
person tells which no one can know, but can in fact be
veried. An example of that would be a hidden treasure
Who is enlightened can, thanks to its expanded con- that no one knows about, but can be searched for to see if
sciousness, look in the beyond and know the life after the information holds true. That I know of no hypnotized
death. One might think that the enlightened are imagin- person who tells of such things is suspicious.
ing their perceptions. Against this speak, however, the
attempts with the clairvoyants. The American profes- Nils: You are unfortunately not correct with that. There
sor Gary Schwartz tested the most well-known mediums are many examples of such cases. Reincarnation research
of the United States from 1998 to 2001. The medi- has searched for such examples and has found many. I
ums could experience the beyond with their spirits know of a situation where an English woman was burnt
and make contact with the dead. Gary Schwartz com- as a witch in the Middle Ages in France. She could say
pared their statements about distanced things with a con- exactly where the documents were and what they said.
trol group of average people. The medium had a ratio They werent known to anyone beforehand. On TV there
of correct answers of 83%, whereas the control group were various broadcasts of some regression therapy. In
got only 36%. If the mediums know things far away it hypnosis certain facts were given that sent the TV team
is very possible, that also their knowing about things in to certain places mentioned. And then it was considered
the beyond is correct. (Bernard Jakoby, Wir sterben nie, whether the person could have known these things beforehand or if they were really dealing with situations from
previous lives. There are some videos on the internet.
All of the religions of the world assume that there is life You can look for them if you have time. The case of
after death. A quote from Swami Shivananda, The per- Shanti Devi is so interesting because she knew things that
son is not this body. Body and mind are change, loss and no one could know under ordinary circumstances. She
death; whereas the real human, the eternal self (Atman) was born in New Dehli in 1926 and remembered as a
always is. One has a body, but is not that body. One child her previous life as a housewife in 128 km distant
has a mind, but is not the mind. Death is not the end. Mathura. Although she was never there, she could reDeath Is not total deletion. Death does not end the re- member her previous husband, the house ,and the town.
birth of the soul. The soul does not die with the body. She even remembered where she had hidden her money
The soul is immortal. Just as a person takes o a jacket, earlier. A test showed that she was right.
death lays aside the physical body. The body is the skin
of the soul. The soul is the steering wheel of the car of Dr. Arthur Guirdham was a British doctor, psychiatric
the body. If the body is destroyed, the spirit lives on. One doctor and writer. He believed that he was the rebirth
still has thoughts, mental processes, will power, and a sub- of the Cathar priest named Roger de Grisolles. A patle body. Through the grace of God and Sat-Guru I am tient who was referred to him had recurring nightmares
unburdened and free. All doubt and disappointment have where she was a farm girl in Toulouse, France. She was
disappeared. I am free and blissful forever. I am free of friends with a priest named Roger de Grisolles. He was
fear, as I rest in this non-dualistic state. Fear arises from arrested and died later in prison. The girl was burnt at the
duality. I am intoxicated with God. I have reached free- stake. She could relate that in detail. Guirdham had simdom. I live in pure consciousness. I have won the game ilar nightmares since his childhood. As the patient told
what she had to say, she said he was that priest she had
of life.
seen in her dream. Guirdham was impressed and began
to research. The occurances and names in the dream were

5.6 Discussion


Matzdan (atheist): There arent many cases, rather

some. Even if there is reincarnation, it doesnt make
much of a dierence for millions of people. So what use
Volker: I am familiar with the tests regarding reincar- is reincarnation anyway?
nation where people are hypnotized and then asked about Nils: Its nice that we are both of the opinion that there
their past lives. The only problem is, people in hypnotized are some such cases. Of course there are only a few
states can make up stories and lie just as they can when cases where there is such clear evidence. There are many
awake, with the distinction that they do not know that they known cases of reincarnation. But it is dicult to nd
are just telling stories. The information they give belongs these specic cases. I think life is multi-faceted. Some
to two categories. First, it deals with information where souls reincarnate and some develop on the other side,
the general truth is established or can be researched and so to speak. Souls develop. All religions are in agreeveried immediately, so that anyone can gure out the ment there. What is important is how we are developing.
degree of truth of what they are saying. That the hypno- We develop forward to inner peace, bliss and love. Or
tized person doesnt know what he or she is saying con- we revert, we go backwards to suering, unhappiness,
sciously is no argument. The second category of things a

fear and hate. Knowledge of reincarnation is helpful because then we are able to think further than death. We
should try to live positively so we have a good existence
in the next life. We can do something ourselves to have
a good next life. We can also make it so, that we step
out of the circle of reincarnation. We can come to eternal life on the other side. One can come out of the circle of reincarnation when one has practiced spiritually in
an intensive manner and has become enlightened before
death. Or, if one has an enlightened helper like Jesus who
can bring one to paradise when one dies. An enlightened
master or saint has free choice after death whether he or
she will go to the light and stay there or not, according to
the teachings of Indian Yoga. The alternative is to come
back to earth and to help ones fellow humans. In Buddhism there is the Bodhisattva and in Hinduism there is
enlightened Karma Yoga (Siddha Yoga with special powers). Many enlightened people know their earlier lives
and have chosen again and again to return to earth. One
example is Amritatanandamayi who described this in her
book Mother of Eternal Bliss. Like Buddha, she also
saw her earlier life.
Volker: The problem is, many of these cases are consciously deceiving. In addition, there are more questions
remaining than answers. As almost always, you can see,
for example, in the lm about Elisabeth from Thuringia
a blatant error: an expert on the castle accompanies the
woman, who then establishes where the wall or moat or
blockades were. Sorry, but I can easily imagine a Clever
Hans eect at work. In a fair discussion, or when one is
really interested in the truth of a matter, the same criteria
are given in each instance.
Nils: Im also for a fair discussion. I think we both are
having a fair discussion here, which doesnt mean that we
are going to come to the same conclusions through the
same facts. One can always nd a dierent interpretation from the same thing. The points of the argument
can carry varied weight for dierent people. As an atheist can one always explain certain phenomena with the
arguments of deception, self-delusion or mistake. I believe that one cannot explain the given case through deception. Certainly, deception occurs sometimes. But the
given cases are so important and well-known that they
have been tested and checked out by many people. That
is especially true for the Shanti Devi case, where many
expert commissions investigated several times. Reincarnation research is directly involved with the ruling out of
deception, self- delusion and error. In fact, only in a few
cases could that be found to be true. Most cases are found
to be indisputable. Also, the many positive reincarnation
cases that are shown on TV cannot all be explained away
with mental tricks.
Volker: I think many of these can be explained away, that
they are the result of mental tricks because I know more
about such mental tricks than most magicians. There are
still some that cannot be explained by anything but coincidence. This reminds me of a discussion with a histori-


cal expert (something like with Elisabeth from Thuringia)
about a Cold reading and muscle reading. In addition,
one can remember things under hypnosis that one hasnt
had conscious access to in a long time.
Nils: You have your explanations, and your theories. I
dont want to take that away from you. Everyone has
to see things for himself and then nd his own decision.
People in the videos have considered and decided carefully for themselves. When they take that to be reincarnation, one has to accept that rst, outside of proving an
error of thinking. As viewer, one also has to make a decision. That will surely be dierent by convinced atheists
than from those who are open to the possibility of reincarnation. You believe in atheism. I nd it good that you
even admit that there remain cases where one cannot explain away what is happening. That is the way it is. I
have personally seen over a thousand earlier lives. I have
checked the facts and have built up my conviction. And
that is how I will leave it. You have your conviction, I
have my conviction. And that is good the way it is. We
live in a pluralistic society.

5.7 Paradise Meditation

The Garden of Eden. Living in God.

With this meditation, we purify our mind of stress.

We learn something about the way to Paradise. We
get into a life in the light. We realize happiness in
our life. We become a master of life and awaken our
enlightenment energy.

5.7.1 The Body

We concentrate on our bodies and through this process
bring the spirit into a state of peace. We sense this
through our legs and feet as we let the light circulate
through our lower limbs. We think of the word light
as our mantra. We let the light then circulate through
our arms and hands while envisioning the word light.
We then wrap our entire bodies in a vision of light and
think of the word at the same time. Then we relax.




Energy Cloud

We begin our ascent to heaven. First we enter the astral

world. We become a soul. We then visualize a cloud
composed of very ne energy which encircles the body.
We are this cloud. We concentrate on the cloud and not
our bodies. We leave the body and think of the mantra
I am a cloud. I am a soul. I am independent from
my body. We think of this mantra until we can feel this



We visualize the entire cosmos around us as full of stars.

Our souls can travel anywhere they so desire. We meditate on the cosmos. We think of the mantra stars.
We make large circles with the arms until we feel at
one with the cosmos. We feel secure with our place in
the world, we are at one with the world.


The World of Positive Souls

We land in the upper astral world, beyond the material

cosmos. This is the world of positive souls. We become
positive unto ourselves. We consider the positive points
in our lives. We think of the mantra Positive in my life
is... We count as many positive things as possible, until
the soul is glowing with positivity.


The World of Happy Souls

Over the positive souls are the blessed souls. We are now
in paradise. We imagine that all our wishes have been fullled. What do you wish? Fulll them or let go of them
here. Dene the point where you have reached enough.
Create contentment with your life. My way to contentment is...


The World of the Holy

Above the world of the happy souls lies the world of the
enlightened. We become sons and daughters of God,
Gods and Goddesses, enlightened Buddhas. We wish for
a happy world. We envision the following: I send light
to... May all people be happy. May the world be a
happy world.

Hieronymus Bosch - Paradise.


5.7.8 Seventh Heaven

The Great Transformation

We move our hand to bless the entire cosmos with love

and light. We move light into all areas of suering. We
send all suering beings light. We surround them with
light and think of the mantra I send light to all suering beings. We think of all the problems in our lives

and surround these problems with light. We integrate our

problems into our life. We become masters of our lives.
We surround all our lifes situations with light.

We come to the seventh heaven. We visualize a sun with

strong energy composed of peace, love and happiness.
The hands lay relaxed in the lap. We think of the mantra,
Sun, peace, love, happiness, light. We ll our souls
with peace, love, happiness and light, and rest in the light



of God (in bliss).


Inner wisdom

We connect ourselves with the Angels, Jesus or God. We

rub the palms of our hands in front of the heart chakra
and think, Dear God (Om all enlightened Masters,
Angels). Om inner wisdom. Please guide me and help
me on my way.



We move our feet slowly, then stretch and wiggle a bit.

We then return to earth and our daily lifes. We are lled
with peace, love and optimism.

5.8 External links

Meditation (Wikiversity)
Fairytales meditation (Meditation Music Video, 8

Chapter 6

Mysticism/Belief and brain research

felt nothing at all. Meanwhile its clear why the mystical experience eluded him. What made the experiment
successful for those who had more intense experiences
wasnt the magnet stimulation, rather the power of their
own belief. Where that was lacking, the mystic helmet
couldnt help.
We can thank the psychologist Pehr Granqvist who also
tested the experiments, but with a dierence. The researcher from Uppsala was strict about conducting the
experiment as a double blind test. That means: only half
of the people had the magnetic eld on under the helmet.
Even those who were not exposed to the magnetic eld
felt something holy while they were waiting in the dark.
The results turned out to be the same for both groups. The
Swedish psychologist came to the conclusion that results
depend on personal characteristics, as to whether they had
a consciousness-expanding experience or not.

Belief is the psychological state in which an individual

holds a conjecture or premise to be true.

6.1 Belief and brain research

Persinger, brainresearcher at the Laurentian University
in Sudbury, Canada, did not think that he could call
forth religious experiences in his lab. Apparently, an
altered motorcycle helmet with solenoids were enough
to cause the brain to produce godly waves. Many of
the test people that Persinger took into his soundproof
chamber, equipped with helmet and blackened glasses
reported astounding eects: they felt a presence, as if
someone stood next to them. Some people felt there was
a guardian angel or even God there with them.

The brain researcher and theologist Nina Azari wanted

to know what eect texts that are religiously signicant
have on the brain. What happens to the brain when you
read a well known psalm from the bible, the Lord is my
shepherd, I shall not want? In order to answer this question, Azari invited two groups into her lab: one consisting
of members of a protestant church that is especially strict
in terms of interpreting the Bible exactly as it stands. This
group also considers the psalm as a way of coming into
personal contact with God. The control group consisted
of six strict atheists, who wanted nothing to do with the
psalm. The result was that the Christians had entirely different results when reading the Psalm in comparison to
the atheists. Azari decided the results were due to what
people believe.

In an oncological clinic in Bad Kreuznach in Germany,

Murken examined how faith inuences healing among
breast cancer patients. The result was that religious orientation can truly help healing along, however, only under
certain circumstances. In patients who were highly religious and had a positive image of God, and connected
God with values such as love, empathy and forgiveness
Dawkins saw his chance to test his own lack of faith. He this was deemed the case. According to the moto what
travelled to Sudbury, put on Persingers helmet and waited God does is done well can help breast cancer patients to
for what was to come. Secretly, he wished for an enlight- deal with their situation more easily.
enment experience. But nothing came of that. He was In contrast, those of the patients who saw God as a strict
very disappointed said Dawkins after the attempt. He



and punishing deity suered anxiety and deppression.

They felt they were being punished through their illness
for past sins and put themselves under pressure. Also,
cancer patients who only possessed a passing faith ( of
the going to church on Christmas and Easter crowd) didnt
prot from their (lack of) faith. They also felt uncertain
and full of doubt.
One could go as far as to say that faith is a type of
medicine with strong active ingredients that can mobilize positive energies, but in the wrong amount can cause
bad side eects. That is especially applicable when such
convictions are accompanied by a community of those
who feel the same. Science leads us to the conclusion
that religion is of a mental nature. It means that spirituality cannot be explored without considering the religious
background, the faith of those who are being studied in
the context of the research. If terms like God, Buddha or
Allah have relevance for us depends on us as individuals.
The question of whether they exist or allow themselves to
be proven is only secondarily important.

Sanduhr (non-dogmatic Christian, You yourself have pointed to a study that shows that the God helmet doesnt function at all.
Nils: The God helmet functioned, just dierently from
what Pershinger rst thought. Many people had an experience of God, but not much came from the helmet.
From that perspective, we can see that ones own thinking plays a large role in ones experience of God. What
I mean is, the people who were ready had an experience
of God. The Bible says blessed are the pure of heart,
for they will see God. Furthermore, it was likely also
possible that Gods own blessings were a factor, and this
element was clearly not with Dawkins.
Sanduhr: Proof also needs a more precise denition of
God. Because there are such varied impressions of
God, we also have to decide which one we want to prove.
From a Christian perspective, there is only one God, so
we should just concentrate on that image of God.
Nils: I agree. In my perspective, there is a three-fold God
(Holy Trinity) consisting of father, son, and holy spirit.

Sanduhr: One could attempt to prove the person God.

That Jesus lived, is relatively widely recognized, even if
some people doubt it. The more hotly debated question
Nils: The text deals with recognizing what science knows is what Jesus did and if he really worked miracles.
at the moment.
Nils: The special abilities are in my opinion an important
1. Faith is helpful when it is positive. It can lead to point for proving God. If one could really prove them, it
healing and inner happiness. The sins are not important, would convince many atheists. The problem is how dirather love must be the main point of the belief system. cult it is to prove and refer to that proof. But I think that it
is generally possible to prove. Of course, a perfect set of
2. There are enlightenment experiences. There are evidence that would convince every single atheist doesnt
experiences of God. Many witnesses taking part in exist. I assume Jesus lived. I also would go so far as to say
studies can conrm that. Even Dawkins tried to have that he could perform miracles. Special spiritual abilities
an enlightenment experience, otherwise he wouldnt have such as the ability to heal or clairvoyance appear along the
taken the time to take part in the experiment. But it didnt way to enlightenment. I can feel those abilities partially
work for him. It doesnt work for everyone. Enlighten- in me. I observe them, test them, and I am convinced by
ment is a blessing that God gives at the right time. God them. Thats enough for me, and the people who are thus
cannot be fathomed, but one can experience God.
healed are also convinced.
3. The experience of God is related to consciousness. Sanduhr: On the other hand, to want to prove that a parIt is of a mental, spiritual nature. They can be called forth ticular being invented the world is not a task that one is
through images and imagining. That doesnt mean that likely to succeed at.
God exists only in imagination. It is more the case,
that from deep relaxation a deeper consciousness can be Nils:. The physicists are denitely challenged there. As
reached that allows one to experience higher levels, God. long as they havent found out anything knew, we can only
One must be without attachments, to be in the state of speculate.
consciousness that Moses called I am, in order to expe- Sanduhr: What does the Holy Trinity mean in terms of
rience God.
looking for proof?
4. Brain research examines the experience of God Nils: To understand the Holy Trinity, I refer to my
in the brain. It doesnt examine whether God exists experiences of enlightenment. A son or a daughter of
outside of the brain. If you see an apple in your head, God is an enlightened being. This person has a body
this apple can be just a product of the imagination. and can do things on earth. He or she bears witness
But it can also exist in the outer world. Therefore, its to God. God works through the saints and through
more dicult to nd reasons to back this up than it is to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the spiritual energy
nd reasons to back up enlightenment, or the experience that the various religions know by various names such
of God. The result is that current brain research conrms as Prana, light or Chi.
the psychological evidence of Gods existence, and this is
What the spiritual energy is exactly, hasnt been rea big step toward proving God in general.

6.2 Discussion

searched very well up to now. According to my experience, it is a type of consciousness energy. It can be
directed by the consciousness and created through spiritual exercises. It can also be developed through physical
exercises. It works on a spiritual and physical level. It is a
mystery, just like God. One can describe it only roughly,
but after a certain level of development one can feel it
in oneself and transfer it to other people (as healing). It
feels like a type of water that ows through the body. It
is often depicted as an aura in pictures and paintings of
the saints. If you visit a holy person, you often feel a special radiation around them. With this energy, one can see
into the future and the past. One can overcome the time
and space dimension of the cosmos. One is omni-present.
One can also see things from a distance.

one has special spiritual abilities.

Nils: We should consider the reasons as a whole. The

center of religion is the experience of God. This experience is well attested to. But rst of all, this experience is of an inner nature. God exists in the head.
That is sucient proof of God, but for many people,
it is important that God exists in the outside world,
too. Can God help us? Is praying helpful? Can God
or enlightened masters such as Jesus help us from the
other side? For most people in the various religions
it is important that one gets help from God. God must
be able to act in the world. One has to be able to get in
contact with him, to connect with him. Here is where it
begins to vary between the religions. In Christianity one
believes that prayer works, in original Buddhism not (but
I take God to be a higher eld of consciousness that this is dierent again in Tibetan Buddhism) and in Hinis behind the material cosmos. God pervades every- duism this is partly believed and partly not believed to be
thing , and can control everything. God is everywhere the case.
and in every person. But only a few people can feel him. Sanduhr: I have reason to consider such experiences of
God is a part of everyone, as Jesus is a part of God, God as an experiment. Something is proven when it evand the few who can feel God feel a part of God. They eryone can conceive of it in the context of an experiment,
have a consciousness of unity, of peace and of happiness. that the results can be repeated and veried. The chalThey live in the consciousness of enlightenment in which lenge would be to describe why some people dont expethey are connected directly to God. Through God they rience God induring that experiment.
also can take part in other abilities God has, the powers of omni-presence, all-knowingness, all-powerfulness, Nils: The experience of God comes as a blessing, and
and all-goodness. The more developed, the more enlight- for that reason we cannot produce those eects in an
experiment. We can only talk to people who have had
ened a person is, the more abilities they have.
an experience of God. Thats the problem with atheSanduhr: Are these special abilities really a point to cite ists. They demand an experimentally derived form of
when proving God?
evidence that can be repeated with the same results in
Nils: Enlightenment can be characterized by happiness, every experiment. It is just that which is not possible.
bliss in a person, and through that persons special abil- So atheists then conclude that it is impossible to experiities. The inner state of the person can be researched ence God. A Christian will explain that the experience is
through brain research, happiness research and psychol- achieved as a result of a blessing from God. Even enlightogy. The special abilities can only be observed and mea- enment cant be forced through spiritual practice. One
can prepare the self through spiritual exercises and insured. And that has occurred several times.
Sanduhr:? Is it not the goal of proving God to convince crease the chances of having such an experience. One can
also sometimes achieve an experience of God through the
use of drugs (which some tribal cultures use) or suggesNils: God is a mystery. Enlightenment is a mystery. Spir- tion (Pershingers God helmet), but that cant be forced,
itual energy is a mystery. A mystery cannot be described it can only be set up so that all of the elements are there
easily, or proven easily, then it wouldnt be a mystery any- and the chances are increased.
more. Also, proof of God cannot be fully clear. OtherSanduhr: So again, it cant be consistently reproduced. In
wise there wouldnt be a free choice in whether we go the
spiritual way or not. Those who are ready, will be open itself, that is enough for proof, the question persists what
one can actually prove with such experiences. The way I
to God.
understand it here with the thread with the active atheists,
Sanduhr: OK, so now in fact NO proof of God?
they dont doubt the experience has been had, rather, what
Nils: If something is dicult, it doesnt mean that it is it has to do with God.
impossible. Be careful with the words not simple. If Nils: Many atheists also doubt the experience itself. And
proving God were simple, then it would have already been if they dont doubt the experience, they take it to be a type
done. Philosophers have been thinking about the sub- of insanity such as temporal lobe epilepsy. In that case,
ject for thousands of years. And despite that, the ma- the experience itself isnt accepted. Enlightenment ocjority of the people in the world believe in God. They curs through a cleansed consciousness. Blessed are the
obviously dont need perfect proof, just good reasons. pure of heart, for they will see God. It is more the case
And there are good reasons.
that one is insane as atheist because one doesnt believe in
Sanduhr: It doesnt mean God exists just because some- God. The enlightened have a healed consciousness, not



the unenlightened. The ability to reproduce an experience of God just doesnt exist. But for proof, it is enough
that a lot of people have seen God, have experienced God.
In that situation, the question is what exactly did those
people see/feel/experience? In that regard, science still is
in the dark. An experience of God is directly related to
a change in consciousness. Science is not able to identify exactly what consciousness is. The near-death research shows that consciousness can exist outside the
body. Some quantum physicists also state that an expansive eld of consciousness or a eld of information exists.
Furthermore, the special abilities of enlightened people
have not yet been properly researched.
Sanduhr: So it comes down to wanting to take the consciousness to be something in its own right?
Nils: Exactly. That is a good starting point for proving God. If the consciousness is independent from
the body, then there is likely a life after death. Then
the reports of those who travel to the other side and
meet God are true. Along the way to enlightenment,
special abilities appear. One can transfer consciousness energy, as John the Baptist did for Jesus. One
can help other people have an experience of God, as
Philip asked Jesus to do. One can heal other people with consciousness (Holy Ghost) energy. The prerequisite for that is that the consciousness energy is
independent from the body. The examples lead up to
that conclusion.

Sebastian (Facebook): Nils, how do you dene consciousness?

Nils: God is a mystery. Enlightenment is a mystery. The
universe is a mystery, if we look at the deep roots of it.
Consciousness is also a mystery. Todays science hasnt
researched consciousness fully enough to know exactly
what it is. If I consider God to be a higher consciousness,
that created the whole cosmos, then that is something different from the limited human consciousness. But both
are probably related. Soul and God. Physically there is
no material, rather everything is energy. Energy cannot
be conceived of materialistically. I would go so far as to
say that this energy has a consciousness of its own that can
create and think in a way. God is a higher consciousness that is the root of the cosmos. From this consciousness, the entire universe was created and in this
consciousness every dissolves again, to allow something new to arise. An enlightened master connects
with this higher consciousness and transcends time
and space and thus receives special spiritual abilities.
Klaus: To step out of time. That state is reached in death
and in sexual orgasm.

Nils: Thats how it is with enlightenment consciousness,

one steps beyond time and space. One is pure consciousness that thoughts and actions can manifest
from. A pure consciousness has no identity, it can
only say I am, that is how God identied himself
to Moses. An I am consciousness rests in unity, in
In enlightenment, one expands the consciousness and ex- peace and in bliss.
periences the fact that there is an all-encompassing consciousness behind the cosmos, responsible for the existence of the cosmos. This consciousness is omnipresent, 6.3 External links
all-knowing, all-powerful and entirely good. Through the
connection with this consciousness one takes on strengths
Belief (Wikipedia)
and abilities of this consciousness. Ive heard that from
many people, and that can be veried.
Religion & Brain: Belief Decreases With Analytical
Thinking, Study Shows
Sanduhr: Then the question would be, where did our concrete consciousness come from?
Nils: Thats a good question. A Christian would of course
say from God. An atheist would say from the brain.
During a spiritual cleansing process, I saw some 1000 earlier lives play before my eyes like a lm. Through those
lms I can follow the development of my consciousness. I rst had many lives as plankton in the sea. Then
I developed into a sh, into a mammal, into a person. In
every stage of development I learnt something and developed my consciousness. I can personally conrm that
people have a soul and a consciousness independent
from the body. The interesting question for me is
where I began. Either I developed my consciousness
alone, from the time I was a water ea, or it arose out
of my nerve cells and wandered from body to body.
Or, it came from God, the light, or a consciousness
dimension behind the material cosmos. I dont know,
but I tend toward the last theory, as my consciousness
was already highly developed in my rst existence.

Where God Lives - Brain Research and Religion

Chapter 7

7.1 Scientic studies
Scientic studies regarding the use of prayer have mostly
concentrated on its eect on the healing of sick or injured
people. Meta-studies of the studies in this eld have been
performed showing evidence only for no eect or a potentially small eect. For instance, a 2006 meta analysis on
14 studies concluded that there is no discernable eect
while a 2007 systemic review of intercessory prayer reported inconclusive results, noting that 7 of 17 studies had
small, but signicant, eect sizes but the review noted
that the most methodologically rigorous studies failed to
produce signicant ndings. The ecacy of petition in
prayer for physical healing to a deity has been evaluated in numerous other studies, with contradictory results.
One scientic movement attempts to track the physical effects of prayer through neuroscience. Leaders in this
movement include Andrew Newberg, an Associate Professor at the University of Pennsylvania. In Newbergs brain
scans, monks, priests, nuns and gurus alike have exceptionally focused attention and compassion sites. This is a result
of the frontal lobe of the brains engagement (Newberg,
2009). Newburg believes that anybody can connect to the
supernatural with practice. Those without religious aliations benet from the connection to the metaphysical as
well. Newbergs research provides the connection between
prayer and meditation and health. By understanding how
the brain works during religious experiences and practices
Newbergs research shows that the brain changes during
these practices allowing an understanding of how religion
aects psychological and physical health (2009). For example, brain activity during meditation indicates that people who frequently practice prayer or meditation experience lower blood-pressure, lower heart rates, decreased
Prayer is an invocation or act that seeks to activate a
anxiety, and decreased depression. (Wikipedia)
rapport with a deity, an object of worship, or a spiritual entity through deliberate communication. Thus,
people pray for many reasons such as personal benet or for the sake of others. Most major religions 7.2 Thought transfer
involve prayer in one way or another. Some ritualize
the act of prayer, requiring a strict sequence of ac- A prayer is a thought transfer to God or an enlightened
tions or placing a restriction on who is permitted to master such as Jesus, Buddha or Krishna. An enlightened
pray, while others teach that prayer may be practiced being takes on the thoughts and can react to them. It occurs through the sending of energy such as strength, love,
spontaneously by anyone at any time.

peace, and tranquility or helpful thoughts. Only sometimes does that occur through physical manifestations
such as miracles, healing, changes in the outer world.
There are miracles which science cannot prove. That can
be shown with the many healings in Lourdes. At the same
time, it is also shown that only few healing miracles occur.
The eects of the prayer can be shown through spiritual
energy. Spiritual exercises can awaken this energy. One
can get this energy from the grace of God or from highly
developed spiritual people. This energy can then be given
on to others. That can be veried. One can ask other
people if theyve felt or experienced something, and one
can feel it for him or herself when getting that energy from
spiritual people.
Mainly, you experience the eects of spiritual energy
through your feelings and your thoughts. You can have
a connection with other people. You can feel the love of
another person in the heart chakra. You can feel power
in the second chakra. There are realities you experience
along the spiritual way. You can see that you have abilities. You can prove it by asking people. Science has
proven that it is possible to transfer thoughts. Energy
transfer and thought transfer are closely related. Thought
transfer is just one type of energy transfer.

Furthermore, one can say that God exists beyond the level
of the material, and also in it, and can work through coincidence. This cannot be proven, but help comes to you
anyways. I feel that my life is lead by God. I observe coincidences in my life that dont seem like accidents anymore. But there is a thin line between wisdom and imagination. Certain is though, that enlightenment exists and
prayer is a type of mantra that helps along the spiritual
way. It calms the feelings, causes inner peace, and can
bring about inner bliss. Everything else is a question of
belief. I let the people in my group decide whether they
want to pray or not.

7.4 Healing Meditation

7.3 Discussion
(Quote from, Febr. 2013)
Plueschmors: People dene and practice prayer in diering ways. For me, prayer is to commune with with God,
my breath and my point to life. Martin Luther once said,
you can nd a Christian without prayer just as seldom as
you can nd a living person without a pulse.
Caro: I pray. It is something that I cant imagine my life
without. Could I ever become more healthy or successful
without praying? I have no idea. I dont pray for those
reasons though, I pray out of love. It makes me happy, to We sit or lie down. We relax.
pray out of love.
1. Sun = We visualize above ourselves a beautiful sun,
Nils: Sadly, research shows that it doesnt help other peo- raising both hands to the side at head height and think
ple if you pray for them. However, this research is rather several times the mantra sun. We let the light of the sun
general. One should research spiritually developed peo- ow down on us and massage it into the body.
ple. Then you could nd, for example, that Yoga teachers
who have been at their careers for a long time can help 2. Earth = We visualize the earth below us, rub the earth
heal people in their group. People use that in America with our feet and think: I send light to the earth. May
already, in hospitals. How these healing eects occur is all beings in the world be happy.
not explainable. I would attribute it to higher abilities. I 3. Healing Massage = We consider what part of our
observe that in my groups. In Yoga and Buddhism, there body needs healing in the moment. We let light ow into
are people who pray and those who do not pray. It is a it, massage it in circles and think the word light as a
highly disputed question. I observe in myself that special mantra. By the light massage we resolve the tensions in
abilities develop as I progress on my way. I can feel the the particular area of the body and enable it in the selfenergies of other people, partly read their thoughts, and healing. We can visualize the light in a color we feel that
I can sense their feelings from a distance and I think that it heals us. We think the color name as a mantra. We can
I can also help to heal people. I have checked up on that successively rub the light of healing in several parts of the
by simply asking people.
body, thinking always the mantra Light.



4. Cosmos = We visualize the cosmos around us full of

stars, make big circles with our arms and think, Om cosmos. I take the suering in my life. I consistently walk
my way of health and healing.
5. Master of Healing = We visualize before or above us
the Master of Healing (God, Jesus, Mother Mary). We
rub our hands in front of the heart chakra and think, Dear
God (Jesus, Mother Mary). Om inner wisdom. Please
guide and help me on my way.
6. Question of Healing = We focus on a part of our body
who needs healing or on a personal problem. What is the
way of our healing? What do we have to do? What triggers our problem? We think so long until we are satised
with the result. When we hear no answer, we are either
blocked inside (we don't want to see the real causes of
the problem), or we have a bad contact to our inner voice
(we sense ourselves poorly). The best way then is slowly
to get into thinking about our problem.
7. Sick people = We move a hand, bless all people with
light and think, May all the people who have the same
problem as I be healed. My problem is ... The way of
healing is ...
8. Amen = We think inhaling and exhaling Amen. We
stop all other thoughts. We feel calmness, serenity and
peace in us. We stop a minute every thought and move
gently our feet. We focus on our feet and move on, until
our mind comes completely to rest. Then we linger in
a slight meditation. All thoughts and feelings may come
and go as they please. We relax.

5.Give us today our daily bread.

(We are grateful for everything good in our lives.)
6.Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against
(What do you want to forgive your fellow man or God /
your life today?)

7.5 The Lords Prayer

The image refers us to connect the Lords Prayer
(Christian main mantra) with visualizations and thereby
strengthen the spiritual eect considerably. To have a
powerful eect, we should speak or think the prayer how
it ts us best. We should interpret the images so that they
are helpful to us. We can formulate the sentences of the
Lords Prayer in our own words. This can help us to come
better into contact with the energy of the prayer. The Pater Noster picture divides the Lords Prayer in eight areas.
1.Our Father in heaven,
(We visualize God on our personal way above our crown
2.hallowed be your name,
(We think sometimes the word God, until we are in contact with the energy of God.)
3.your kingdom come,
(We visualize us in the kingdom of God. We see the positive in our world. )
4.your will be done, on earth as in heaven.
(We take all things in our lives as they are.)

7.Save us from the time of trial and deliver us from evil.

(What false desires you want to let go of today?)
8.For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours now
and for ever. Amen.
(Feel the power and the light of your spiritual role model
owing into you and lling you. Think Amen as long until you are one with the power of Jesus or God. Move
one hand and send the light with the mantra Amen to all
beings on earth. So you will come fully into the light.)

7.6 External links

Prayer (Wikipedia)
Ecacy of prayer (Wikipedia)
Sanctuary_of_Our_Lady_of_Lourdes (Wikipedia)
Ganzfeld_experiment (Wikipedia): John McCrone:
Roll up for the Telepathy Test. In: New Scientist,
Nr. 1873, 15. Mai 1993.) Remote viewing: a further important aspect of the Ganzfeld experiment
from Charles Honorton in Edinburgh. In this experiment, people who were shielded from one another


sketched what other people who were also blocked
o saw for video clips or pictures. This was one
of the most successful tests for parapsychology that
took place in the past century.

Chapter 8

Mysticism/Discussion on mysticism
the human spirit longs for God. Through the three
steps of inner cleansing, enlightenment and unity the
recognition of God can be reached.
OpusX (atheist): Up to now the believers Ive met were
simply certain in their belief and havent searched for
Nils: Those who truly believe dont need proof. But he
must have found his way to his beliefs somehow. In this
phase he needs arguments supporting this belief. Many
Christians today are made uncertain through material inuences. They need good reasons to believe.
In my view, the main reason for the downfall of the
Christians in Germany is that the churches dont give
any more good reasons, any good arguments to believe. For this reason, the mystic proof of God is very
Claudia-Jutta (atheist): So the experience of God is real?

Nils Horn, german mystic

Does God exist, what is God and what is the path to


8.1 Debate on (2013)

Nils: A mystic is in dialogue with God. He or she can
feel the Holy Ghost within and around him or herself.
He or she lives in the light of God. The mystic allows
the self to be lead by God.
A person must choose between God and the world. The
Holy Ghost can only ll a person when the person is
free of worldly, materialist-oriented thoughts, The person
must empty the self of attachments and the ego and become empty so that the light of God can ow within him
or her. In mystic theology, Dionysius Areopagita, who
lived around the year 500, concerned himself with the
topic of the experience of God. According to him,

Nils: How do you recognize a real experience, encounter

with God? I have my experiences with comparing
what the Holy texts of mankind say about that. Afterwards I could relate what I had personally experienced
to that. One has to be honest though, with oneself. One
has to have clear wits and understanding when perceiving.
Everyone can consider each of those who has born witness to God, and gure out whether this one is believable.
I personally nd Jesus believable, as well as Buddha,
Socrates, Laotse, Ramakrischna, Teresa of Avila, Master
Eckhart, Saint Frances, Saint Paul, and many others. I
refer not to myself, but of those who have born witness
to God. Enlightenment and experience of God are described well in literature. In certain cases it can be dicult to dierentiate between a fake experience and a real
one. I have never experienced conscious errors up to now,
but there are varied degrees of enlightenment. What I
have experienced often, is that someone thinks his or
her degree of enlightenment is the highest and his or
her way is the one correct way. One can make this
mistake easily, because one nds it dicult to imagine an even higher state of enlightenment.
Claudia-Jutta: Could it be that during my deep relaxation
experience a few years ago as I just sat there and was
happy I could nally breathe easily again (and a frequency
of breathing that could be a dream for the rest of my life),




that I was closer to Him than a mystic?

son is serious in his search for the truth, for inner

Nils: You were not closer, rather you were going in peace and inner harmony and happiness.
the right direction. Maybe it was already an enlighten- Volker (atheist): For me, the Mystic Proof of Gods Exment experience. You have to describe your experience istence served as proof for many years. Not because
more closely. There are many levels of enlightenment. others told of this, but because it touched upon my own
Relaxation and deeper inner peace is the rst step. experiences. I can still understand those who believe in
When you continue on this way, you will have even God because of such experiences. Interesting is that mysdeeper experiences. I started using autogen training and tics have experiences which seem to reect their own culthought it couldnt go further than that. As someone asked tural circle. As I told my ZEN master what I experienced
me if I could see God during meditation I laughed. Later in my childhood, he said exactly these two sentences, I
I didnt laugh.
know that there are many who experience that when intensively meditating. Then, one should continue to mediEiner (atheist): God is not to be comprehended?
tate and the hallucinations will go away. My master was
Nils: God is a mystery and is not to be comprehended a Japanese man, more of a Taoist, who doesnt adhere to
or described, rather is to be experienced. But one can any religion. Hindu mystics tend toward Pantheism, ZEN
nd words that lead up to this mystery. That is what mystics see unity awareness as a phenomena of the own
Jesus, Buddha and many others have done. The fur- mind, Buddhists see Nirvana, Christians see their God,
ther you are in your experience of God, the less you pagans nature or their God, Chinese mystics the Tao, etc.
can say about it, until you are only silent and other
Nils: For me, the mystic Proof of Gods Existence is
people sense your spiritual presence.
still all the proof I need. But I accept that one can
Gingganz (catholic): If you are honest with yourself, then interpret the experience in various ways. You follow
you will recognize that we dont know anything about this the Zen- path. Thats ne. I allow everyone their own
Jesus. It isnt even certain if he lived at all. Written proof way. Enlightenment is the center of life. There are
doesnt exist. Contemporary sources from the time he various ways to reach it and to interpret it. It is still a
supposedly lived dont exist suciently either. What ex- mystery. It goes beyond words. One has to experience
actly is it that you nd believable about Jesus?
it, then one knows what it really is.
Nils: We know some things about Jesus. Especially
what it says in the Bible. I compare the contents of
the Bible with what I have experienced myself. I recognize that the teachings of Jesus are consistent with
what I have experienced. In this way it is an authentic spiritual teaching, no matter who it comes from.
Someone wrote the text. And this person lived. That
is indisputable. And this person knew the state of
enlightenment and the way there. That is especially
clear in the telling of the sermon on the mount.
GermanHeretic (atheist): The only argument that religion
brings is political.
Nils: Forced conversion is very successful when one has
political power in a country. In the Islamic countries that
is how Islamic comes to be so widely practiced. In Germany we have a more free country, with freedom of opinion and freedom of religion. In such a society, those who
have the better arguments and the more attractive oerings are heard. If Christians cannot argue properly in
favor of their beliefs, they are not as viable any more.
Thats what we can see at the moment. I think the
situation will get better if Christianity is more geared
toward its mystic tradition.

Volker: In my experience of Unity, I met the spirit of

my childhood again with the recognition, man, thats
me! The key is to recognize ones self, and everything is
already there. Every recognition of God is an appearance of ones own self.
Nils: Words about God are always false, because the
experience is not describable. Words about God are
only theories about God. God goes beyond words. I
accept your theories. As you are following the way
of enlightenment, there is nothing there to criticize.
At the same time, you should allow me my words and
theories. They are my way to God. In the case you
are attached to your words and theories, then I would
doubt the depth of your experience of enlightenment.
At a particular level, one sees that enlightenment goes
beyond all words.
Volker: God is endless and eternal, that is something one
cannot comprehend as a human.

Nils: Very good. Then we are of the same opinion. The

center of the mystic proof of God is that God is a mystery. One cannot make an image of him. Every image leads to confusion. On the other hand, we need
the images that lead to God. Such images allow one
Korri (evangelical): I believe the Christian church con- to speak of God and enlightenment. They are helpful
sists of those who believe and follow Jesus.
for many. Master Eckhart recognized that one lets
Nils: There we are of the same opinion. God doesnt go of images at the deep level of enlightenment, that
dierentiate between catholic and protestant Chris- one must go beyond his own image of God.
tians. God sees the heart of a person. He sees Volker: I had the experience that I was one with the world,
whether someone really follows Jesus, and if a per- and the only spirit in this world was my own. Some would



like to then interpret themselves as being God, I am not God. The drop of water dissolved in the sea. And
such a person.
despite this, he still exists. I use the words to live in
Nils: Thats ne that way. Everyone is allowed to follow God, to be one with God.
the way that is helpful for him. When you write that others take that to be God, you basically accept the mystic
proof of Gods existence. It is just not a helpful theory
for you at the moment. You follow a dierent system of
terms than the Christian one.

Volker: The God of the bible is dened in such a way

that it isnt possible to have an experience which points
to this God. Finally there cannot be a human experience
that depicts a way to this God.

Nils: I see that dierently. If you look carefully in

Volker: Only because the experience was so amazingly the bible, it shows the way to this experience of God.
impressive -Reality is nothing in comparison- it doesnt Moses went the way of calm and peace. He lived in
have to contain a higher truth.
the desert for 40 years, alone and apparently did his
Nils: Dont set yourself up to be caught in new dogmas, spiritual practice. That points to the experience of
God. In his enlightenment he saw the light in the
such as that God doesnt exist. Others call that God.
world (God in the burning thorn bush) and recogVolker: The following, dear mystic, is my conrmation nized that the true self (the attachmentfree self) is
for what you say. Spirituality is the passion to nd the the goal and way to God. Further, he threw his sta
to the ground which changed into a snake. That is a
symbol for exercises which awaken the kundalini enNils: Very good.
ergy (which is typically represented as a snake). The
Volker: Those who bind themselves to a certain convic- sta is the spine of the human, which is the path the
tion are unable to search for the truth, because they be- kundalini energy takes to reach the head. Then bliss
lieve they already have it.
and enlightenment arises. The person then acquires
special spiritual powers, healing, energy transfer, the
Nils: Exactly.
fruits of the holy ghost.
Volker: You may take me to be an atheist, but I only folIn contrast, the way of Jesus from a spiritual perspective
low my own Gods, not yours.
was a completely dierent one. Jesus acquired his enNils: I dont really see you as an atheist. You are a spirlightenment energy (the Holy Ghost) from John the
itual person. You are a spiritual atheist. Thats possible
Baptist. If someone practices as a Yogi for many
years, then he gets special spiritual energy and can
Volker: Every religion is the exact opposite of spirituality. transfer these to people whom are ready for them.
Nils: Unfortunately there are often power struggle- John the Baptist activated the Kundalini energy of
based developments which are going in the wrong direc- Jesus through his baptism. Jesus then meditated for
tion. But generally, the Christian church is needed to 40 days and nights in the desert. Then Jesus arrived
spread the good aspects of Jesus. We shouldnt con- in enlightenment. The devil (ego) disappeared and
demn the church, we should improve it. Problems ap- the angel (energy) served him. He could use his own
pear when Christians get lost in their dogmas. Thats truth to teach other people and help them with his
a problem of every religion. They need mystics and energy.
truth searching people in order to renew the religion, We can develop spiritually when living aside from the
keep it up to date and to stay relevant.
chaos of the world around and instead living in calm and
Volker: A Catholic priest goes to a Zen master to learn. contemplation, as many monks and nuns do. Or we can
Finally, the priest reaches the highest level of enlight- get energy transferred to us from spiritually highly deenment. The master asks him, what have you experi- veloped people. The energy really comes from God, or
enced? The priest replies. It was unimaginable! The directly from God as would hold with Christian thinkentire universe melted into one, until there was only God. ing. An enlightened doesnt create from himself, rather
Then how was your experience? The master: It was through God. He lives in God and gives the energy of God
unimaginable! The entire universe melted into one, un- onto others. That is highly visible in the church services
til only I was there. The priest: you have experienced of developed, realized saints.
it dierently from me. I only saw God! The master: One particular, special point is to be found in the
when you understand, then you will realize that we both way of Jesus. And that is all-encompassing love. The
saw the same thing.
practice of all-encompassing love is a chance to arrive
Nils: Wonderful. That is exactly the way it is. The ex- in unity consciousness. We nd ve main techniques
perience of enlightenment of all enlightened is the same. in the Christian way: the way of peace and calm (conBut they describe it dierently. And when you say, that templation, meditation), the way of all-encompassing
only you were there, I also see that as correct. It wasnt love, the prayer (mantra), thought work (positive
the usual, normal Volker. It was his higher self. And thinking), and energy transfer from saints and Jesus
this higher self can also be described with the word (blessings).

GermanHeretic: May I briey quote Wikipedia: transcendence (from Latin, transcendentia, to go over) is
the philosophy and theology of the characteristic beyond
the realm of perception through the ve senses and their
material accompaniment and to be independent from
Nils: Transcendence is dicult to describe. God is experienced in silence. Through prayer and meditation
one can arrive in a higher state of consciousness. At
the same time, a new form of perception develops.
One sees through the eyes God as light in the world.
One senses God as light, peace and happiness in the
self. One achieves heightened abilities such as the
ability to heal other people.


GermanHeretic: And how can you dierentiate as an unenlightened between the real and the only supposedly enlightened?
Nils: For someone who is unenlightened it is dicult to
dierentiate. You can orient yourself around whom the
majority considers enlightened. That Buddha was enlightened is something most people agree with. One can
read what Buddha said. One can then compare his own
experience with that. It is very important that you are
honest with yourself. Otherwise your ego will trick you.
Volker: If we are talking about a purely transcendental
God, then Kant was correct. A 100% transcendental God
cannot be proved or disproved. But from that point, most
believers make a big mistake. I know this because Ive
made the same mistake: the Christian God is not 100%
transcendental. If only a little bit of immanence exists
in this God, which is what most believers believe, then
Gods existence can in fact be basically proven.

Wikipedia: As mystical experiences, individual, inner experiences of a person go beyond what is seen as typical
daily consciousness and in certain ways is gone beyond
this and a particular, intuitive, perspective into the unied
nature of reality is achieved. It deals with a type of spon- Nils: Correct. Gods existence can basically be proven.
taneous breakthrough of consciousness from a subjective- How that can be done is written down in John 14.8
relative to an objective-absolute basis.
Lord, show us the Father, thats enough for us. In
josef (catholic): The immeasurable, ordered depth of the order to believe deeply and truly in God, then an experiworld is proof of the existence of God. And the encoun- ence of God is enough. God is a mystery. With means
tering of humans with the holy ghost of God is a second steeped in science and logic one can only approach this
to a certain degree. One can nd indications that point
Nils: John 14 refers to this. Philip says to Jesus: give toward God. But one can only grasp God when one has
me experience of God, then I believe in God. Give me had a transcendental experience. Then it is a belief that
energy of enlightenment as John the Baptist gave to you. is supported by knowledge. For all Christians whom
Jesus could have done that if Philip was ready for it. But have never had their own experience of God, Jesus
Philips heart wasnt pure enough yet, so Jesus couldnt is the witness for God. God is proven through Jesus
give him the spiritual energy requested.
After Jesus enlightenment, angels served him. The angels are a symbol here for spiritual energy (the holy
Ghost) that can be sent from a distance to help others
spiritually. God deals through Jesus. For me, Jesus is
the presence of God which deals directly in this world.
Jesus possesses abilities which a non-enlightened person
can hardly begin to imagine. The more enlightened one
is, the more one can also have a part of these abilities.
That is also described in the bible, and is experienced
in oneself as an enlightened being. According to Paul,
one receives the fruit of the spirit: love, joy, peace, patience, friendliness, kindness, loyalty, gentleness and selfcontrol. Just for those reasons, it is worth it to strive for

Volker: No enlightened person can say the least bit about

things which are found outside of his or her head.

Marcellinus (atheist): That isnt proof.

Volker: There are unexplainable healings, for example

spontaneous remission of cancer. Some can be explained
with simple, natural causes such as false diagnosis. We
know that the body has abilities to ght cancer. Yes, and
I think that belief in healing convinces a person that healing has taken place. It is your faith that helped you,
as Jesus supposedly said. Not religious belief, but belief
in oneself or a particular method of healing. When an
enlightened person thinks he has supernatural abilities,
then he should go to James Randi and nd the abandoned
million dollars. He can then donate the money to char-

Nils: My mystic proof of God corresponds with what is

in the Bible. In John: 14.8 Philipp bids Jesus to give him
an experience of God, so that he can believe in God. It
takes a deep experience of God to comprehend what God
is. One can only speculate about God beforehand. You
dene God as something that doesnt exist and then assume that God doesnt exist. You see God as an old Man
in the sky. For something like that there can be no proof.
God is a mystery.

Nils: If enlightenment is the way of the deepest happiness, peace and love, then it is already enough to strive
for enlightenment and to experience God. Through enlightenment one arrives in higher consciousness and
then gets special abilities. Enlightenment is not just
in ones head. You connect with God, with a higher
eld of consciousness that also exists outside of you,
beyond your own head. And one can deal through
and with this higher eld of consciousness. One can
observe the self as a spiritual person and recognize
that one has the extraordinary abilities which make
it clear enlightenment is not just in the head.


ity. But as long as none of the enlightened achieve this,
then I refuse to believe such people with such supernatural abilities exist. I can still remember well, that one of
the course participants asked my zen master if one can get
supernatural abilities. The Zen master began to laugh. If
one has these special abilities, then they should be able to
demonstrate this.
Nils: The main point of the spiritual way is enlightenment and not just some special spiritual abilities.
For this reason, I can understand why the Zen master
laughed at the question if one can get special powers
through meditation. In Zen Buddhism, one doesnt
reject this, but doesnt concentrate on this because
enlightenment is the main thing.
All speculation about God, life after death and spiritual
abilities lead one away from the main thing. One realizes
this when one has achieved enlightenment. Then one recognizes what God is. Then one can see the special spiritual abilities and use them. In science there are those
who oppose and those who are for this. You can only
really be convinced through your own experience.
There are enlightened people at various levels of enlightenment. Particularly interesting is that some enlightened have abilities and others dont. It seems enlightened without higher abilities exist, and those with
also exist. In my perception of what occurs, you rst
arrive in enlightenment, and then rise to various levels of enlightenment which are tied to this. Thats
how I think it happened with Jesus. He achieved enlightenment after being baptized by John and meditating in the desert. And through crucixion he went
to a still higher level of enlightenment, after which
he could say I have all of the powers of the heaven
and earth. Be sure : I am with you for all days, until
the end of the world. Jesus reached the level where
he can see all people and can lead them and connect
with them spiritually and mentally.
Many enlightened masters report of their experiences with this level of merging of omnipresence. I
have experienced this ability when dealing with many
enlightened masters. They could appear to me in
dreams and give me information that I didnt have
before. I always check the information I receive, as
a onetime atheist I am critical towards such things.
And I always nd reasons to believe in these apparently supernatural abilities. With myself personally, I observe how these abilities continue to develop,
and I still check up on this critically. I always nd indication that these abilities do in fact exist. At the
same time, I realize this is dicult to prove to others. But my conclusion overall is that these abilities
do exist.
Volker: Ever since I had my experience of the unity of all
things, Ive looked for an explanation for this. The most
plausible is that one can show what is happening through
brain scans. There is a part of the brain which is respon-

sible for dierentiating between itself and its outside environment. Newborns are not born with the ability to differentiate, they learn it. During meditation, this function
is shut down.
Nils: I have experienced particular spiritual abilities myself. That is the dierence between you
and I. Were dierent people, weve had dierent
experiences. Theres this discussion also in Buddhism and Hinduism. There are two great schools of
thought. Buddhism is the way of self-enlightenment
and Buddhism is the way of enlightened helpers
(Bodhisattvas). Yoga without prayer and Yoga with
prayer. We will not be able to decide who has won
this discussion, and we will also not need to. Also,
scientically the situation is not as clear as you think.
There are enough scientists with diering views and
diering research.
Brahman (buddhist): Mysticism and enlightenment are
on the fringe of the Christian belief system. In Buddhism
its a dierent story. Enlightenment and mysticism play a
central role in eastern religions.
Nils: Pope John Paul II was a mystic, in my opinion. The
current Pope Francis is engaged for the poor of the world.
I welcome that. Jesus was a mystic. If the church comprehended that, then they could also be successful as
a religion with the world today. At some point they
will understand the mystical aspects of the Bible. Jesus meditated on the mountain. This way, he found
his way to a transguration. For a mystic, that is easy
to recognize. Jesus meditated for 40 days and nights
in the desert. He didnt just sit around or run around
confused in the desert. If someone is really touched
by the holy Ghost as Jesus was after his baptism, then
one reaches a deep and joyful meditation.
GermanHeretic: I dont trust one thing: when someone
says their way is for everyone.
Nils: I agree. If you think I believe my way is the only
way and THE way for everyone, then youve misunderstood my point. I actually believe the opposite, which is
that there are many ways to enlightenment and to God.
Every religion has several ways to it. That is even the
Catholic stance since the II Vatican. The Catholic church
doesnt reject anything that is true and holy. With sincerity it considers every way of dealing and living, every text
and teaching, in which several things dier from what we
personally hold for truth and what we teach, but often we
see a ray of truth in that which diers from our own traditional beliefs which also enlightens mankind.
I would go even further. I follow the enlightened Catholic
priest Bede Griths, according to whom all religions are
part of a greater whole. That is exactly my personal experience. I read in the texts of all religions, comprehended
the essence and found my own way. I represent the position of the individual spiritual way. That can be the way
of Buddhism, of Yoga, of philosophy, of a nature religion, of a mixture of all religions, but also the Christian



way with its various branches of teaching.

work. But it could work when you go your own way.

It depends on whether one is honest, serious and persis- That is much more acceptable.
tent in their spiritual undertakings. One bust be persistent Nils: Buddha and Jesus said the same. Jesus oered the
in his personal way of the principles of truth, wisdom and Jews and later followers of other religions the way of alllove. One nds God, enlightenment, inner peace and in- encompassing love. He didnt force anyone to go that way.
ner happiness when one listens to the voice of his or her Love doesnt force. It loves. It helps. It is tolerant. It is
inner wisdom. One has to follow his or her conscious- non-violent. That is also what he says in the mountain
ness. One has to follow his or her own sense of what is sermon. Jesus was non-violent and gentle.
right. One has to combine good sense with inner sense. GermanHeretic:. If Jesus was real. What he really said
Enlightenment stands above all. But in a deep enlight- no one really knows.
enment experience I asked myself how one can nd
the way there. What terms can one use to describe Nils: There are many Enlightened in the world. Mostly
this way? In its essence, one can describe this with they say the same thing as Jesus at the heart of the matter.
truth and love.
Einer: There is only one thing one must do, and that is
The problem most people have is not they follow various
religions. The problem is that they really believe in material happiness and not in inner happiness. They orient
themselves toward false goals and for that reason do not
nd their way. Furthermore, most people only practice
their religion on the surface. They do the material rituals
without wanting to change themselves on the inside.

to die at some point.

Nils: Thank you.

GerhardIngold: I quote the bible the same way I quote

Kant, Nietzche, Marx and others. There are ideas from
each which I consider good, less good or completely
wrong. But I never quote the Koran, the Tora, the NT,
etc as if they contain the word of God. Rather, I quote
them the same way I quote every book.

Nils: Everyone has to die when the time comes. The

big question is where it goes afterward. The consciousness at death determines where one will be after death. The characteristics of inner peace, love and
happiness well developed will cause the person to go
to a happy place after death. Characteristics of a perGermanHeretic: And your way is rst of all just your way. son such as foolishness, addiction, hate and ego madness
will take the person to a corresponding place after death.
Nils: Indeed.
It is a great advantage to live spiritually. One harvests
GermanHeretic: I believe right away that your way works richly in the afterlife and on earth. A wise person can
only go the way of wisdom.
for you.
GermanHeretic: But it lacks objective validity. That is
why expressions such as that is the only way, or follow
me, otherwise it wont work are completely irrelevant.
Jesus said such things, and for that reason he isnt a role
model for me.
Nils: I don't believe that Jesus really said that he is
the only way to God. This was put in his mouth later
by his followers. Jesus wanted to turn the Judaism of
his time from a formal spiritual practice to a real one.
He taught the way of love to God and all people. First
in Johns evangelism hundred years later the notion
that Christianity is the one way to God arose. Jesus
didnt know or plan anything regarding Christianity.
He didnt intend to start his own religion. He wanted
to remain a member of Judaism. The development
arose after his crucixion. Later there was a sharp
division between Jews and Christians. In this conict, this phrase of the St. Johns evangelism arose.
The truth is, that all religions have saints and a way
to God. Judaism and Moses are a way to God. We
should see the phrase in the St. Johns evangelism
symbolically. One has to decide for the spiritual way
and not live primarily from the perspective of materialism. One needs an enlightened master like Jesus.
One has to develop his or her characteristics which
lead to enlightenment.
GermanHeretic: Siddharta is completely dierent. He
said, I oer a way that works. Follow me, and it might

Nils: Its helpful when you are inspired by the Holy Ghost.
I would say that it is helpful to comprehend the Bible
with the intellect and with wisdom. Wisdom means deep
knowledge. Those who know enlightenment and have
experienced God can comprehend the Bible at a deeper
GerhardIngold: Its a fact that no one can argue eectively
that God exists. At the same time, no one can argue that
God does not exist. But generally atheists have the most
conclusive arguments.
Nils: Atheists argue that God does not exist. Its possible to argue from that perspective and to demand a
proof of God. This proof exists. There are millions
of people who have experienced God. One can experience God. So God exists. The big question then is
what does one experience and what is God, exactly?



plenty of people who have experienced that for themselves . If you can and dont want to experience for yourself, then you have to believe in his witnesses such as Jesus, Moses, Paul, Areopagita, Master Eckhart. In that
regard, it remains belief, but with a good reason to believe. Only when youve experienced enlightenment and
God can your belief become knowing.
rap2:. The real point of life is happiness. What other
worthy goal is there for our short time on earth?
Nils: Correct. We should live in a way that makes us
happy. And at best, all together with one another and
for one another. The highest happiness can be found
in enlightenment, in the mystic unity with God.
rap2: And if someone really knows the Bible, mystical
experiences can be useful. Then one can really place
them, and get a sense of what is truly happening!
Nils: Mystical experiences are a blessing. They help
us along our way. They allow us to recognize our way.
They are a taste of the paradise that is to come.
Hesse23: The community of saints are all believers.
Nils: Thats a theological theory which is partly correct
and partly false. It is correct in the sense that the Bible
is a way to holiness and directs us to paradise. In that regard, all Christians are potential saints. But they are often
far away from really seeing that through. When I consider
the sins of the Christians of today and the past, then its
clear to see that not all believers are holy. There are witch
burnings, inquisition, forced conversions, child molestation, crusades, war crimes, and torture what do these
have to do with holiness or saintliness? A bad person is
no saint, rather a bad person, even if he is a Christian.

8.2 Discussion
(evangelical forum)


Hesse23: Believers dont strive toward completion. You

mix things up that dont have anything to do with one another.
Nils: I know that in Christianity there is a debate surrounding the term saintliness. I orient my thinking
around Jesus who referred to striving for completion
in the sense of enlightenment and holiness, saintliness. Matth. 19,21. If you want to be complete, then
sell your belongings and give the money to the poor.
Then you will be a treasure in heaven.

Nils: The mystic knowledge of God is the basis for the

mystic proof of God. The term proof is used a lot.
God does not allow himself to be proven on simple terms
because God is greater than the understanding of the human. But one can nd good reasons to support the Wikipedia:. The Christian theology has a double concept
notion that it is in good sense to live as a spiritual of saintliness: the saint is an incorporation of God himself.
In the New testament this view is modied. Now it is the
swift: If something isnt proven, then you dont need to holiness or saintliness of Jesus that eects those who follow
belive it. Solid proof of God would do away with belief. him. Christian saints show that they are already a step
further in grace, but that it is possible for everyone to also
Nils: It has nothing to do with getting rid of belief, rather achieve that grace.
with strengthening it. Many people doubt God today.
They need good reasons to believe. Thats the point here. P (atheist): Its only physical chemistry and brain proIt has to do with good arguments for the spiritual way. cesses.
There is nothing more to it, nothing more to setting out Nils: What exactly is the enlightened experience?
to prove Gods existence. God isnt just some imagin- Does it deal with just brain processes, or is coning, some fake thing, rather there is God and God can nected with a real higher power? I experience God
be experienced. There are plenty of witnesses for that,

as a higher dimension of consciousness that exists behind the material cosmos, where time and space have
no meaning. God is omnipresent and all-knowing.
Those who are connected to this higher power have a
piece of these abilities. They can go beyond time and
space. They can demonstrate abilities such as thought
transfer, clairvoyance and healing.
hhi: What are spiritual exercises?


self. Then God will take his time and fulll the rest
with grace, as God chooses to do so. blessed are the
pure of heart, for they will see God. God loves those who
work for blessings, not the lazy. If you dont work on
yourself, you cant expect blessings from God.
Its a big argument among Christians as to whether
one can become a saint through good deeds.
Catholics emphasize the importance of good deeds
and many evangelical Christians love to do nothing.
From my perspective, both positions are correct. One
has to walk the spiritual path with balance and understanding. Mostly it is correct and important to
intensively practice prayer contemplation and helping others, to read the Bible and to visit church services. But sometimes it can be good to just be relaxed
and leave things to God.

Nils: Spiritual exercises are meditation and thought

work. In thought work we exercise through our enlightened role models. Then we develop positive characteristics such as inner peace and all-encompassing
love. Prayer is an important spiritual exercise.
Prayer can be a form of thought work or meditation. Teresa von Avila called meditation the prayer
of calm and peace. She prayed to God and connected
to him. Then the spirit of God owed within her, The way to enlightenment is normally so that one has
her thoughts became quiet and she rested in a clear- to work intensively at the beginning. Right before you
headed state of the bliss of God.
break through to enlightenment, often you have to just
Central to this is the statement from the sermon on leave things to God. But there are also people who reach
the mount: Blessed are the pure of heart, for they God through intense inner cleansing. There are many
ways to God. If you connect to God every day through
will see God. The point is to be pure of heart. The
heart is meant as the center of the soul. To be pure prayer or reading texts, and listen to your voice of inner wisdom, then you will nd the way that is right
in the soul, we need exercises for the body and the
mind as well. One must work through the tension and for you.
energy blockages in the body and the mind. When
the tension disappears, happiness, love and peace can
develop within. Then you can arrive in the dimension
of God.

Sanduhr: The question is what would be dierent with

you personally from the other schools of thought which
are just as focused on practice.

Nils: Ive tried it out on myself, and thats enough for

me. My main principle is the individual way for each
person. People are all dierent and live in dierent situations. What could be good for one could be bad for
another. For me, I notice that its good to practice spiritually. It doesnt do me good though to see things dogmatically. I need a middle road of spiritual practice
with meditation, prayer, thought work, some joy and
enjoyment in life, doing good, and nally just leaving
things to God, trusting God. But there are some people who need strict discipline. The rst Christian hermits
have found that both of these ways are eective. That
was the rst test along the way of saintliness and enlightSpiritual exercises for me are living life in calm, to go
for walks, to read the Bible, to pray, to avoid nega- enment.
tive thoughts, to practice positive chracteristics such Momoko: What does it mean to you to be focused on
as love, peace, and happiness. At the center of the God?
spiritual way there are two things: the love of God Nils: You have to decide between God and the world,
and the love of ones fellow man. God can be found between the spiritual way and the material way. To
in meditation and contemplation, love of ones fellow be focused on God means to live basically, accordman can be found through positive thinking and do- ing to spiritual truths. It means that inner peace, alling good deeds. To say it briey, meditation and pos- encompassing love and wisdom are the main points
itive thinking will bring you to enlightenment and to of life. How one does that exactly can vary.
Momoko: The Bible doesnt say anything about working
Momoko: It sounds a lot like you can save yourself
on ourselves. The Bible says GOD changes us. God can
through work. Its enough for me that Jesus died for me. only do that when I stay in contact with him (pray, medNils: Self-salvation is not possible. Enlightenment oc- itate, etc) but with you it seems the focus is on YOU docurs through grace. What one can do is to purify one- ing things, that YOU work on yourself, instead of letting
There are many dierent exercises. Which ones work for
you has to be tested for yourself. Ive tried a lot of things
until I found the right ones for me. An obstacle to true
progress is practicing without putting your heart and soul;
just going through the motions without sensing anything.
Praying can be a good mental exercise. But if we just
speak without feeling, then praying wont bring us to God.
Terasa von Avila only needed to think of the prayer Our
Father once, concentrated on it, felt the deeper meaning
of the words and was in happiness, bliss, God, enlightenment.



GOD work.

Momoko: There are many saints. This forum is full of

Nils: I pray and let God lead me. I let God work on them. I, for example, am holy. I belong to God.
me. I let my inner voice advise me as to what specic Nils:s To me, a saint is an enlightened master. Only. Only
exercises I should do. There is the active and the pas- they have the true fruits of the spirit within them (love,
sive spiritual way. It depends on the individual, as to peace, patience, friendliness, goodness, loyalty, gentlewhich way is right for him or her. An active person ness, self-control.) The rest of us are just on the way
will interpret the Bible dierently from a passive per- to this completeness of being, but we are not there yet.
son. Let us take this sentence as an example blessed are When I consider my fellow Christians, I dont see much of
the merciful at heart, for they will strive toward mercy. this completeness and saintliness. Most protestant ChrisI interpret that as a call to action. This action will change tians dont even pray once a day. How should someone
a person on the inside.
become a saint that way? The Catholics are more honest,
Sanduhr: To love ones fellow man is an attachment in a they honor their saints and look to them for knowledge
and know they are not that far along yet.
Nils: It depends on what type of love that is. The center of the spiritual way of life is the rule of love to
God and to all other beings. I interpret that as concentrating on God and love. We have to nd our own
balance of calm and love. When we use up our energy
just on love, we get burnt out and dont come to the
light. On the other, all-encompassing love is a good
way to overcome the ego and to arrive in unity consciousness (the consciousness of God). The best way
for me to grow consists of living away from the world
in a sort of isolation, to do good for others, and to
practice spiritually by reading, praying and meditating, all in the right amount. This amount has to be
found each day, as it can change, and that by sensing
and using wisdom.
Sanduhr: Those who love from God, will be stronger, the
more they love.

Momoko: Blessings are something one cannot work towards.

Nils: Thats correct, but theres a connection between
ones doings and of being blessed by God. That is also
expressed in the Bible that the human being has to choose
between God and the world. To choose God means to
live consistently spiritual. That means one needs to
work on oneself. And then one will be blessed.
Momoko: The term enlightenment isnt biblical.
Nils: The Bible mentions perfection, following Jesus, becoming a saint, and being full of light innside, to live in
light and to radiate light. There is the following passage of
the Bible, God is the one who enlightens my darkness.
(2. Samuel 22:29). The true light, that enlightens all humans, came into the world. (Joh. 1.9) With you is the
source of life, and in your light we see the light. (Psalm
36:9). Jesus spoke once again to them and said: I am
the light of the world. Those who follow me will will not
change in darkness, but will have the light of life. (John
8:12). Therefore, if your whole body is full of light, and
no part of it dark, it will be just as full of light as when a
lamp shines its light on you. (Luke 11.36)

Nils: If we anchor our existence in God then light will

ow into us and we can pass this love to others without using it up as it comes from God. An enlightened
lives this way, and for an unenlightened person it is a
way to practice. If we lose our inner peace and calm
when we are doing things, then we are no longer cen- Momoko: God doesnt need perfectly enlightened people,
tered in God and use up our own energy when giving whom are always nice and good and calm and quiet, but
to others.
he loves us dirty and crazy, weird and spiteful.
Sanduhr: The people around you are those you encounter Nils: An enlightened person can have quirks and
directly, but they are not all beings.
mostly DOES have them. What makes an enlightNils: Thats an important point that is often misunderstood. In order to come to a mystical experience of God
one has to love all other beings, including ones enemies. Only all-encompassing love can bring one to the
all-encompassing love of God. It deals with more than
just the people you meet and are thinking about. It could
be those starving in Africa and Indian, the victims of the
terrible wars in the world and the many poor in the world.
We know that at least through the news and TV. They
need our help and our love. We help others as much as
possible without overwhelming ourselves. We would like
all people to live in light, to be enlightened and to come
to paradise after they die. If we approach others from the
perspective of all-encompassing love, that will bring us to
love, to the peace of God and to happiness.

ened person dierent is the light of God. HE or she

is full of the holy Ghost, is full of peace, happiness
and love. He or she feels the light of God and radiates it into the world. With the Evangelist Luke it says:
Jesus went up with them to pray. And while he prayed,
the look of his face and his clothing changed to a radiant
white. (Luke 9,28-36). That is how it is with the enlightened.
Momoko: Who is Jesus, in your opinion? Just an enlightened person?
Nils: Jesus is an enlightened person. That is the result
I have come to after contemplating the Bible. But he
is not just an enlightened person. There are several
steps, levels of enlightenment. Jesus incorporates the



highest level because he taught all-encompassing love.

Enlightened masters have diering spiritual abilities. In my view, Jesus had the highest abilities, as
he is omnipresent and has the ability to lead us all

with aura full of light.

Nils: Ive discussed this topic often with physicists. In

physics, there are communities of two groups, the atheists and the spiritual people. There is a growing group of
spiritual scientists, especially quantum physicists. Their
arguments are very good. Dont insult Professor HansPeter Drr. The atheist physicists havent even dared to
do so. He is a recognized scientist.

Nils: If you are completely satised, thats good. But

thats not enough for enlightenment, although you are on
the right track. You should meditate and love all other
people. Miracles do not necessarily accompany enlightenment, maybe they are possible at a higher level. Jesus
could perform miracles, as could Moses. Buddha also.
I could name many enlightened masters who could perform miracles. But the point is experiencing God, not
miracles. Enlightenment is rst of all just one way to live
happily. It depends on inner peace, happiness, and love.
Those who are enlightened live better than those who are
not. Doing miracles is just a side ability. In some religions its taught that one shouldnt just perform miracles
because one can.

Paul described criteria such as joy, peace, and love.

Thats how one can recognize enlightened people. Especially important is the consciousness of unity, or the consciousness of God. One feels connected with God, the
Momoko: Im not a physicist but I am rather sure that a world, and other people. One develops special abilities.
physicist cant just sum everything up with the quote from
Meli: I am satised, am I enlightened? OK, I cant do any
the quantum physics for everything supernatural.
miracles, but does that matter?

Wikipedia: Hans-Peter Drr (October 7, 1929 in

Stuttgart) is a German physicist. In addition to nuclear
and quantum physics, elementary particles and gravitation, epistemology, and philosophy, he has advocated responsible scientic and energy policies. Until Fall 1997,
he was the diretor at the Max-Plank-Institute for physics
(Werner-Heisenberg Institute) in Munich.
Meli77 (Atheist): What makes Jesus believable for you?

Sanduhr: In my Bible, the angel of the lord appears in the

Nils: I believe what Jesus said because his words make burning bush.
sense. He describes experiences Ive also had.
Nils: The angel is God himself. Otherwise it doesnt
make any sense. And its also clear that God himself anMeli77: And where is the Bible proven?
swers out of the burning bush.
Nils: The main point of the Bible is enlightenment, the
way to God, life with God. Otherwise there are a lot of Sanduhr: Is there a devil?
historical references in the Bible which were right for the Nils: In my view, there are bad souls, bad energy,
time in which they were written. We have to use the Bible and bad thoughts. But, at a deep level there is only
wisely, and apply it to our situations today.
God. The devil is a symbol for the ego that is disMeli77: How do you dierentiate between fakes and real solved with enlightenment. I take that from the story
of Jesus praying (meditating) for 40 days and nights
enlightened masters?
in the desert. The devil disappeared after that. In
Nils: A good indication is whether something is believ- Buddhism there is a similar story with Mara.
able. We have to look at the entire behavior of a perSanduhr: What did Adam and Eve do wrong?
son and then compare their experiences with what it says
in the Bible. Which spiritual gifts do they have? Inner Nils: In my view, Adam and Eve were at the level of a
peace, all-encompassing love, mental clarity, joy?
child. They were enlightened, without being aware of
Basically one can orient oneself to the criteria in religious strong energies in themselves and without being able to
texts. When Moses saw the burning bush, I know he was do deal with those energies properly. They had to lose
enlightened. As an enlightened, one sees the light of God their enlightenment and go out into the world in order to
in the world. Moses saw the burning bush and light all become true adults and to learn how to combine enlightaround. When Moses threw his sta to the ground and enment with a life in the outside world. One can easily
it changed into a snake, I know that is a symbol for the hold onto enlightenment when living away from the outawakening of enlightenment energy. The enlightenment side world. But as soon as you go out there and are conenergy is also represented as a snake, that winds itself fronted with all the chaotic energies, you lose your enlightenment. It is a delicate art to be able to be peaceful
around a tree (the spine).
and enlightened when you encounter aggressive people,
When Jesus was transformed during the prayer on more so when they attack you directly. Also, being adthe mountain, I know that he was enlightened. You dicted to sex one can fall from the grace of enlightenment.
dont directly see the light, you feel it. You feel it in That could have also been the problem with Adam and
you and around you. And sensitive people can also Eve.
feel it from you. They can tell they are in the presence
GoodFruit: God promised us that when we look for him,
of a holy person. Jesus was an enlightened person
he will allow us to nd him.


Nils: I believe that too.
GoodFruit: Skeptics are always appearing, demanding
proof. It should be possible to give them this proof, miracles HAVE occurred.
Nils: Thats how it is. The proof has appeared several
times. There are thousands of experiments regarding
thought transfer and clairvoyance. Miracle healings have
been documented in Lourdes.
XHelghastX: You seem to regard atheists as the enemy.
Nils: Not at all. I was an atheist in the past, and my son
is an atheist. Atheists can also arrive at enlightenment.
Atheists can also experience God, even when they would
likely call it something else. According to Pope Francis,
atheists can also go to heaven if they are good people.


Chapter 9

God and Religious Toleration/Paradise


Blessing Jesus Christ.

The Garden of Eden. Living in God.

our arms and hands while envisioning the word light.

With this meditation, we purify our mind of stress. We then wrap our entire bodies in a vision of light and
We learn something about the way to Paradise. We think of the word at the same time. Then we relax.
get into a life in the light. We realize happiness in
our life. We become a master of life and awaken our
enlightenment energy.
Paradise Meditation

9.2 Energy Cloud

9.1 The Body

We begin our ascent to heaven. First we enter the astral

world. We become a soul. We then visualize a cloud
composed of very ne energy which encircles the body.
We are this cloud. We concentrate on the cloud and not
our bodies. We leave the body and think of the mantra
I am a cloud. I am a soul. I am independent from
my body. We think of this mantra until we can feel this

We concentrate on our bodies and through this process

bring the spirit into a state of peace. We sense this
through our legs and feet as we let the light circulate
through our lower limbs. We think of the word light
as our mantra. We let the light then circulate through



9.3 Stars
We visualize the entire cosmos around us as full of stars.
Our souls can travel anywhere they so desire. We meditate on the cosmos. We think of the mantra stars.
We make large circles with the arms until we feel at
one with the cosmos. We feel secure with our place in
the world, we are at one with the world.

9.4 The World of Positive Souls

We land in the upper astral world, beyond the material
cosmos. This is the world of positive souls. We become
positive unto ourselves. We consider the positive points
in our lives. We think of the mantra Positive in my life
is... We count as many positive things as possible, until
the soul is glowing with positivity.

9.5 The World of Happy Souls

Over the positive souls are the blessed souls. We are now
in paradise. We imagine that all our wishes have been fullled. What do you wish? Fulll them or let go of them
here. Dene the point where you have reached enough.
Create contentment with your life. My way to contentment is...

9.6 The World of the Holy

Above the world of the happy souls lies the world of the
enlightened. We become sons and daughters of God,
Gods and Goddesses, enlightened Buddhas. We wish for
a happy world. We envision the following: I send light
to... May all people be happy. May the world be a
happy world.

9.7 The Great Transformation

We move our hand to bless the entire cosmos with love
and light. We move light into all areas of suering. We
send all suering beings light. We surround them with
light and think of the mantra I send light to all suering beings. We think of all the problems in our lives
and surround these problems with light. We integrate our
problems into our life. We become masters of our lives.
We surround all our lifes situations with light.

9.8 Seventh Heaven

We come to the seventh heaven. We visualize a sun with
strong energy composed of peace, love and happiness.
The hands lay relaxed in the lap. We think of the mantra,
Om sun, peace, love, happiness, living in the light.
We ll our souls with peace, love, happiness and light,
and rest in the light of God (in bliss, in the enlightenment

9.9 Inner wisdom

Hieronymus Bosch - Paradise.

We connect ourselves with the angels, Jesus or God. We

rub the palms of our hands in front of the heart chakra
and think, Dear God (Om all enlightened Masters,



9.12 See also

What is God
The proof of God
More Meditations
Meditation of the inner voice (Wikiversity)

9.13 External links

Golden Angel Oracle
A guided meditation OPENING TO PARADISE
(8 min.)


Angels). Om inner wisdom. Please guide me and help

me on my way.

9.10 Return
We move our feet slowly, then stretch and wiggle a bit.
We then return to earth and our daily lifes. We are lled
with peace, love and optimism.

9.11 Meditation Music

Open with a right click in a new tab and listen while meditating:
Joan Baez - We shall overcome (Music Video, 4
100,000 Angels (Meditation Music Video, 2 min.)
Fairytales meditation (Meditation Music Video, 8
Relaxation Meditation Nature Sounds (Meditation
Music Video, 5 min.)



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