You are on page 1of 13

Non-random-Thoughts: Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology? ...

1 of 14

This blog aims at bringing out the past glory of India, Hinduism and its forgotten values and wisdom. This is not copyrighted
so as to reach genuine seekers of these information. Its my prayer that only genuine seekers - and not vandals & plagiarists come to this site.


Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek
astrology? (Part 22) (Masonry and stemmed
cup - from Pandyans to Tiryns)

They said it

Reader comments
Google + Followers
Se arch This Blog

Share it

The name Pandion, the eponymous hero of ancient Greece sounds
similar to the Pandyan dynasty of ancient Tamils. There was a statue
for this Pandion in Tiryns according to Greek traveller Pausanias. Of
all the sites of archaeological antiquity of pre- Greek civilisation,
Tiryns is the oldest one dating back to 1500 to 1200 BC. The walls of
the hill-fort in Tiryns were made of massive stone blocks supposedly
built by Cyclopes who had an “eye on the forehead”. In the previous
articles, we saw information on them linking them to the Tamil –
Vedic culture of Shiva worship. The thrust of these articles and the
current one is that Greek Thought owed its existence to the culture and
Thought brought to Greece by the people of this period (1500 BC and
later). The people of this period bear similarity to the ancient Tamils
who occupied the now-submerged regions of Indian Ocean.
One of the proofs is the massive walls of huge boulders. The
techniques and capability of lifting massive boulders to build walls
were not exclusive Cyclopean traits but are seen in Australia, Easter
Islands and in Peru in South America. It has been found out that New
South Wales in Australia is dotted with many pre-historic sites of such
walls made of boulders. Take a look at the stone walls in NSW
Australia which have come to notice recently.

Share this on Facebook
Tweet this
View stats
(NEW) Appointment gadget >>

must-be-re ad

St Thomas myth
Know the Hindu past.
Subramanian Swamy
Sarasawthy civilisation
Archeology & Arts of Tamil nadu
Hindu past of the world
David Frawley's articles
Vedic astronomy
Indic studies
Stephen-knapp's website
Hindu texts
Subhash Kak's articles
Santana dharma
Save Ram Sethu
choose he re.

Agriculture (21)
Astrology (290)
Creation (193)
customs (311)
Festivals (47)
General (621)

12/27/2013 12:24 PM

View my complete profile From New South Wales to Easter Island.Non-random-Thoughts: Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology? .general issues (669) Karunanidhi's forays into Hinduism (75) Kedarnath floods (7) Meteorology (31) No Dravidian divide (195) Pearls of wisdom (19) pithru tarpaN (20) Politics (494) R. not much difficulty is there for this boulder culture to have travelled. Take a look. 2 of 14 http://jayasreesaranathan. Ramanathan (8) Ram Janma Bhumi (25) Ram Sethu (90) http://wakeup-world. The Easter Island may not have had walls made of boulders.... God and I (47) Gods in Hinduism (180) Greek astrology vs Vedic astrology (31) Hindu awakening (560) Hinduism ..blogspot. but it does have huge monolithic stone carvings which cannot be moved by ordinary muscle power. Thiruppavai (27) Why this blog? (3) Subscribe To Posts Comments Non-random-Thoughts jayasree India Sanathana I am here also Jayasreesaranathan's Blog Follow me on Twitter தமிழ திராவ டனா? My scribd documents Vishnu in Sangam texts Guest Blogge r in Frontiers of Anthropology Blog Archive ▼ 2013 (223) ▼ December (18) 12/27/2013 12:24 PM .com/2013/10/28/uncovering-an-ancientunderground-tunnel-entrance-in-nsw-australia/ Ramayana (150) Srilankan Tamil issue (8) Tamil Conference (22) Compare with this with Cyclopean walls shown below.

Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology? (.in/2013/12/is-vedic-astrology-derived-. Long ear culture from India to Mesoamerica – a Ved. Fatwas ban outsiders' entry into Rameswaram villag. are the. Harvard scientists have proof of yoga. If Sonia Govt is supportive of gay Long ear culture from India to Mesoamerica – a Ved... Take a look at Saksaywaman walls in Peru. Long ear culture from India to Mesoamerica – a /wiki/ The next stop from Easter Island is Peru where exists walls of huge boulders.. http://www. Riddle of Fate and Free-will Thirthas of Thiruvannamalai under siege The sinister angles behind the arrest of Indian Di.. Take a look at the illustration below.. 3 of 14 http://jayasreesaranathan..blogspot. Communal Violence Bill is foolish. People must rise against Communal Violence Bill... Vijayakanth’s day out into Delhi polls... Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology? (..wikipedia..jpg These locations showing massive boulder architecture passes through South Indian Ocean...... meditation . ► November (24) ► October (14) ► September (21) ► August (20) ► July (22) ► June (8) ► May (22) ► April (28) ► March (22) ► February (9) ► January (15) 12/27/2013 12:24 PM ..Non-random-Thoughts: Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology? . dangerous User guide for Mahabharata weapons found in privat.. similar to Cyclopean walls. Idol stolen from Tamil Nadu surfaces in Singapore Communal Violence Bill is communal http://en. Non-colonial compilation on "History of Ancient

The Cyclopean walls of Tiryns also are post dated to this submergence.getty. The water or milk was kept in stemmed cups like the one above. NSW Australia. These shells have a special place in worship of deities. (click the pic) The Tamil / Pandyan / Tirayan (Tirayan is another name for Pandyans. Belnos's celebrated work "Sundhya. Easter Island and Peru sector show this stone culture later to this submergence. This kind of decorated shells (called as Shanku / Conch) is common in Vedic /artObjectDetails?artobj=110628 Look at the decoration on the shells.blogspot. ► 2012 (100) ► 2011 (181) ► 2010 (219) ► 2009 (297) ► 2008 (410) Total Page vie ws FEEDJIT Live Traffic Fee d Another important proof of this migration is the presence of Conch shells – an important item of the Vedic culture and which is important to Pandyans too – in the artwork.. C. though parts of the south Indian mainland were already under the rule of Pandyan Kings." published in" (web link here) 12/27/2013 12:24 PM . people in Vedic culture were using shells to bath the deities with water or milk in their daily worship. Until a century ago. 1851. It means ‘sea-farer’) had their existence for more than 10. The Pandyan king and some of his subjects managed to survive and shifted to South Indian mainland.. but show signs of immediate migration of some powerful Tirayan lords of the Pandyan clan.. 4 of 14 http://jayasreesaranathan. During that catastrophe many people of the Pandyan regions got dispersed.Non-random-Thoughts: Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology? . S. Take a look at this painting made in the 19th century of Hindu life life "From Mrs..flood that occurred around 1500 BC. Take a look at this Mycenaean stemmed cup dated at 1350 to 1300 BC http://www.000 years in the scattered islands of Indian Ocean. Those habitats were completely submerged in the last sea.

How was this combination known to the artisans of Greece of 13th century BC? Let me show some of the similar looking decorated shells used in temples in Vedic /17/shangabishekam/ The following is the shell covered with silver that is used to bath Lord Skanda in Thiruchendur temple in Tamilnadu..Non-random-Thoughts: Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology? .blogspot. Look at the sharp tips on both the ends. This kind of bathing the deity is known as “Shankabhishekam” – bathing by shell. This corbelled structure found in Cyclopean masonry in Tiryns is already found in Mohenjo-Daro 5000 years ago (see here ) Coming to the Mycenaean stemmed cup. http://mahaperiyavaa. The Mycenaean shell is decorated in a similar way. the cup with a liquid (water or milk in the Vedic culture) and the conch shell as a vessel to fetch the liquid from that cup for the purpose of bathing the deity is an ancient concept of the Vedic society. The abundant availability of these shells is a pre-requisite for this tradition to come in place. Look at the corbelled wall structure behind him. This concept must have first started in a sea-side habitat of the Vedic society... These two – stemmed cup and the conch shell – go together.wordpress. 5 of 14 http://jayasreesaranathan. 12/27/2013 12:24 PM ..

.Non-random-Thoughts: Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology? .blogspot. http://kodukkulai. Take a look at the “Paalaadai”. The image appearing in the stemmed cup goes well with the idea of milk cups from which milk is taken in shells to feed the kids. Until a generation ago. But there is a larger relevance to this cup having shell designs. 6 of 14 http://jayasreesaranathan.html This idea was so ingrained in the Vedci society that babies fed using these shells only... Even today shell shaped cups called as “Paalaadai” made of metals like silver are used as part of tradition to feed to the new-born This continues in Tamil society even today. the new born babies were fed with this kind of shells in the Hindu society. Before knowing that let us see whether this kind of shells are native to seas 12/27/2013 12:24 PM .

Lord Shiva.wikipedia. both temple festivals and family functions like marriage or upanayanan (getting initiated into Brahmacharya / wearing sacred thread). were known for shell-diving. Only a sea-bound community which uses this kind of decorated shells could have made the above shown cup with Coming to the shape of the stemmed cup. But this is the most common cup of the Vedic society used in temples and for religious and Vedic purposes. That this cup (whatever size it may have) is purely Vedic related. it is generally thought that these cups are widely in use in Europe and in Greece. Sage Atri has given the details of the near Greece. The small ones. Thus these shells were in widespread use among commoners and for religious purposes in South Asia.Non-random-Thoughts: Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology? . the Atlantic Ocean variety (Busycon contrarium) is blunt on top and not like the above looking shell.. The shape of this shell painted in that stemmed cup shows that it is Indian Ocean variety (Turbinella_pyrum). This variety is in use in India. namely small earthen cups known as “Paalika”. their presiding deity was supposed to be adorned with ear ornament made of Shell. These stemmed cups can be made of any precious metals or simply mud. size and details of this cup and how seeds must be grown in that. In contrast.blogspot. in the Vedic culture.. These stemmed cups come in three different sizes. cannot be disputed.. Take a look at the Atlantic variety. medium shaped cups known as Kalanji-kamba and huge vessels for filling waters or cooked food in temples.jpg The Mediterranean Sea is not known to have produced the kind of shells as painted in that cup. known as Paalika are used in many Vedic functions. The Mycenaean stemmed cup comes in the medium variety. http://en. They are used for "AnkurArppaNam" which means “growing the sprouts” or sowing the seeds. The Tamil Pandyans as sea-bound settlers in early Sangam periods. 12/27/2013 12:24 PM . 7 of 14 http://jayasreesaranathan.

in/pooja_items__articles_p1 /silver_pooja_items__articles They are used to store Kumkum for archana in Tamilnadu The Paalika cups cannot be destroyed but kept in safe custody to be used in another occasion. In all Vedic marriages. (for worship). The second variety of cups are medium shaped and are used for keeping perfumed or medicated items used for temple puja / worship. The cups have a stem and are smaller in This stemmed cup was there in every house as a Puja vessel. http://www. seeds are grown in 5 Paalikas.. They are called as Kalanji-kambha in Kerala temples. The grains grown in the Paalikas would be ceremoniously added into running water after marriage.. In temple festivals this is a grand part of the Vedic rituals.aspx There are Veda mantras used to install the 4 directional deities like Indra.ahobilam. Yama etc in four cups and Brahma in the middle Cup (Paalika). http://southindianhandicrafts. Take a look at this 1851 painting showing Hindu way of worship. They are also used to store aromatic water as an offering to deities which was also distributed to the devotees. 12/27/2013 12:24 PM ..Non-random-Thoughts: Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology? . 8 of 14 http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot. A married woman filling the grains in 5 Paalikas in a marriage is shown below..

The following photo shows a collection of temple vessels from Central 12/27/2013 12:24 PM . http://www.jpg Take a look at this stemmed cup used for Goddess Ranganayaki in Srirangam temple. Tamilnadu.blogspot. The medium shaped stemmed cup can be seen. 9 of 14 /1800_1899/dailylife_drawings/belnos/shivpooja.Non-random-Thoughts: Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology? .

KaLanjam means “Intoxicants” and “KaLanjiyam” means “place for things” (mostly edible ones). 12/27/2013 12:24 PM .. Perfumed things used for Puja and things such as Tulsi (holy leaves) and holy powders such as Kumkum. It is used to refer to the stem of the cardamom powder etc are kept in these cups. This water was also distributed to the devotees.Non-random-Thoughts: Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology? . It is believed that these cups were used for drinking wine. The Greek name for these cups is Kylix.blogspot. turmeric. This cup is a very common one in most of the South Indian temples. Look at the stemmed cups in front of the deity. Kylix were popular in the Mycenaean period of 1400 to 1200 BCE.. 10 of 14 http://jayasreesaranathan. an intoxicating item. Kambam means “pillar”. sandal. The following pic shows the deities of the famous Thiruvannamalai temple dedicated to Lord Shiva. Aromatic water (eg.. The Malayalam word for these types of cups “Kalanjkambha” is derived from Tamil word “KaLanji + Kambam”.mixed with cardamom power) was kept in this cup and used while offering food to the deity. The name of these cups sounds similar to Greek names for these stemmed cups.

This is common sight in South Indian temples too.. The 3rd type of stemmed cup is large and is very much in use in all olden temples in Tamilnadu. 11 of 14 http://jayasreesaranathan. The conch shaped vessel also is shown with an arrow The similar KaLanji cup is used obviously for showing the perfumed / incense smoke to God in Vedic society.. Even today one can see it in old temples kept near the deity. This idea of the Vedic society had gone to Tiryns / Mycenae as early as 13th century BC.. 12/27/2013 12:24 PM . The use of this cup in successive periods in Europe had centred on drinking intoxicants.Non-random-Thoughts: Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology? . The name has been there in Tamil that has a deep antiquity. The Greek name resembling the Tamil name and the usage of these cups in Tiryns period gives another proof of our contention that people had migrated to Greece from Tamil regions in the Indian Ocean. The main purpose was to store water.blogspot. The usage is in Vedic ritual.. Look at the huge stemmed vessel made of silver belonging to the famous Srirangam temple in the picture below. One can see a similar looking stemmed cups to offer perfumed smoke or incense to God in Karnak sun temple of Egypt.. But its religious purpose was remembered as seen from its use as Chalice .

(Today they do so). The following photograph shows temple cook carrying this vessel.blogspot. Everything or every practice in the Vedic culture comes with a rationale.. water would be filled in the huge stemmed vessel. This is from the famous Srivilliputthur temple in Tamilnadu. looking similar to these vessels and their use with conches in temples. The water is collected from holy rivers and tanks for bathing the deity. The huge stemmed vessels are used for storing that water. Bathing the deity with shanku or conch – known as Shankabhisheka. shows the connection to the Vedic society and Tamils in particular .. He and others are seen going around the temple with cooked food in their vessels to be offered to all the deities installed in the temple.. In olden days they did not use any bench or table inside the sanctum sanctorum to keep the vessels elevated. The Mycenaean cup with conch design. 12 of 14 http://jayasreesaranathan. KaLanjiyam refers to edible things.html During the bathing ceremony of the /g/ having its name Kylix. The same vessels are in use in temples for storing food items also. The stem or Kambam (in Tamil) helps in keeping the vessel elevated so that the priest could easily take the water with the conch vessel and pour it on the deity in quick succession. The Conch shaped vessel would be immersed in that water to fill it and then poured on the deity through the nozzle. closer to Tamil word KaLanjam! The use of Kylix degenerated in course of time to serve wine and a special ritual. The stemmed cup helps in storing water or ritual items within hand’s This tradition is antiquated and cannot be said that Greek vessels were replicated in Indian temples. http://www. 12/27/2013 12:24 PM ..Non-random-Thoughts: Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology? . May be our opponents would have said so had they known the

As if to show this is true. We will analyse that in the next post... customs. Later it had a rebirth in Christian faith. the logical deduction is that many Vedic rituals. Which came first. Vedic or Mycenaean? Who got it from whom? An item of temple use and Vedic use from small Palikas to huge stemmed vessels. Hindu awakening. Vedic ideas and Vedic deities had gone to Greece along with migrant Tirayans. 13 of 14 http://jayasreesaranathan. Thus we can see specific uses for the stemmed cups in Vedic culture. Greek astrology vs Vedic astrology... Hinduism . The usage had been remembered with the associated shells by the Pre-Greek society but got degenerated in course of time into the idea of serving intoxicating beverages in the Greek society. there stands a testimony in Tiryns in the form of a great hall called in Greek as Megaron. Festivals.Non-random-Thoughts: Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology? .general issues No comments: Post a Comment Links to this post Create a Link Home Older Post Subscribe to: Post Comments (Atom) 12/27/2013 12:24 PM . (continued) Posted by jayasree at 8:10 PM Labels: Astrology.