So, Im just going to tackle your last post one line at a time.

First, I never said you

implied that Matthew didnt know anything because of not having a child. I said that
your argument that he couldnt fully understand the choice itself because of not
having a child is ridiculous. Andit still is. Heres your quote: if your child has a
reaction (which I pray they wont) but if they do, maybe then you will understand.
Next, in response to this: I would also love to know how someone who gets a
vaccine shot is NOT having known carcinogens shot into their system?? For you to
say that is a false statement blows my mind. Where is your research regarding all
the people with cancer caused by vaccination? Also, here is a link (not that youll
necessarily read itbut hows your chemistry?) to the list of known carcinogens:
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/generalinformationab
outcarcinogens/known-and-probable-human-carcinogens
There are 12 infectious agents (viruses/bacteria/parasites) on this list of known
carcinogens (only two of which have a vaccine). There is only ONE vaccine
ingredient on this list (formaldehyde). In regards to this refer to my previous
information about this ingredient. Also, here is a quote from the previously
mentioned list:
Even if a substance or exposure is known or suspected to cause cancer, this does
not necessarily mean that it can or should be avoided at all costs. For example,
estrogen is a known carcinogen that occurs naturally in the body. Also, exposure to
ionizing radiation is known to cause cancer, with increased risks even at low levels
of exposure. Yet there is no way to completely prevent exposure to natural sources
of radiation such as cosmic radiation from the sun or radon in soil. These lists also
include many commonly used medicines, particularly some hormones and drugs
used to treat cancer. For example, tamoxifen increases the risk of certain kinds of
uterine cancer but can be very useful in treating some breast cancers, which may
be more important for some women. If you have questions about a medicine that
appears on one of these lists, be sure to ask your doctor.
So theres that argument. Not a false statement. Is your mind re-blown? Next line:
You say you are open and yet your opinion seems as though you have only read
anything that would agree with your opinion. Actually, I never said I was open. I
said that your attack on Matthews article makes you not open. As far as my opinion
seeming as though I only read things that I agree withI just have to ask, did you
read what I wrote? I very obviously read each of the unscientifically supported
cockamamie (haha never used that in writing before) articles you posted. Case and
point.
Moving on, Ill agree that medical professionals have varying degrees of knowledge,
but could never concede that some of them know squat. The fact that they have
some level of training/education automatically contradicts that. You say you are well
informed on the diseases these vaccines prevent and how to naturally treat them.
What training/education have you gone through? What makes you feel like you are
so well informed, while the medical community is continually doing research and
making new discoveries all the time? Im a nurse. I dont know it all. None of the

doctors, nurses, or other health professionals claim to. Learning and knowledge
that we have is, at the most, little compared to that which we are ignorant Plato.
So, just so the rest of the world can stop working on vaccine research, how do you
naturally treat things like HIV, Ebola, Polio, Tetanus, and Rabies (just a few
examples)? Saying youre aware of how to treat these diseases naturally is
actually the stupidest way to address this argument. You are sort of implying that
not only will you not vaccinate your child to prevent disease, but you wouldnt use
medical intervention to treat it either. I guess you just know more than the rest of
us.
Next, I never questioned your intelligence. I actually said that your level of
intelligence wasnt the most important factor in your choice (though Im kind of
second guessing that now). Being properly informed and not biased is, in my
humble opinion, the most important. You say youve got hours/days/years whatever
of research backing your decisions. So, lay it out! Im not saying Im right and youre
wrong. Just back up what you say. It also does not mean that because of a title and
a decision I have made for my family that I am any less intelligent than you. Never
said that.
Finally, Ill address your final remarks. Again, did you read what I wrote? I never
stated that the deaths were in the US! Guess what? Americans arent the only
people over here. Theres no fence surrounding the US keeping people from coming
here. Theres also no ban on Americans from travelling worldwide. Were not
isolated.
We cannot be compared to a 3rd world country that does not have access to clean
water and sanitation. I would also like to add the global 147k deaths that did occur
were not in the US and we're in Heavily vaccinated areas.
Ok, so which is it? Are people outside of the US dying because they live in third
world countries, or are they in heavily vaccinated areas? It cant be both, because
third world countries do not have high vaccination rates. This statement is false. A
quote from UNICEF:
The possibility that children will become seriously ill or die depends largely on
whether their immune systems can fight off infections. Malnutrition, combined with
unsanitary or crowded conditions, makes them extremely vulnerable. Measles, for
instance, rarely kills in industrial countries but can cause up to 40 per cent mortality
among infected children in dire and overcrowded situations which may occur
following earthquakes, floods or when populations are displaced by conflict.
Its not a coincidence there havent been any deaths from measles in the US in
years. However, that can always change. A record 644 measles cases were recorded
in the United States in 2014. More than 150 cases of measles have been reported
across the US since January, with California officials diagnosing four more people on
Monday.
"An increasing number of parents in this country are hesitant to have their children
vaccinated," researchers explained in a recent paper in The New England Journal of

Medicine. "Such hesitancy has resulted in an accumulation of unvaccinated

populations who can become infected and maintain transmission."
"If vaccinations were stopped, each year about 2.7 million measles deaths
worldwide could be expected," according to the CDC.

Enough said. As stated previously, I realize nothing anyone can do or say will
change your opinion and that is not the purpose of this response. The primary
objective is education and sharing research. But please, if you choose not to
vaccinate your children do not try to argue based on scientific fact. You simply cant
irrefutably argue that point. Thousands of scientists have a hard enough time
proving anything one way or another. Im not bashing you for your choice. Im
simply pointing out the ignorance of your vague explanations and your hypocritical
over dramatization of how open you are and how not open I seem. As Ive stated
again and again, keep doing research. It doesnt matter how much you have done
previously. Any scientist will tell you that research is never done.

Erika Original Post:

Toan Ha It's Erika not toan Matthew Schliecker. I posted that last one for you since
you are religious. As someone who I thought was into the healthy side of living
(organic food etc) I thought you would be more open than this. Vaccines have
known neurotoxins. So if you feel th e need to eat organic to keep crap out of your
system, why would you inject yourself with things known to cause cancer? I'm sorry
you feel I have a lack of intelligence for choosing what I feel is best for my family.
Maybe when you have children and if your child has a reaction (which I pray they
wont) but if they do, maybe then you will understand.

Erika Response Post:

Toan Ha Rachael - I am a very open person and I am well informed on both sides of
the vaccination spectrum. I didn't imply that Matthew didn't know anything about
vaccinations, due to not having children of his own. I did however say that maybe if
he did have a child and that child had an adverse reaction to vaccines he may have
a different opinion. I would also love to know how someone who gets a vaccine shot
is NOT having known carcinogens shot into their system?? For you to say that is a
false statement blows my mind. You say you are open and yet your opinion seems
as though you have only read anything that would agree with your opinion. Nurse or
not, there are medical staff who don't know squat , and some who are very
knowledgeable. as far as you seeing people with disease all the time I am aware of
these diseases we are vaccinated for and I am also aware of how to naturally treat
these diseases. If you so choose to vaccinate your family that is your choice and I
would not bash you for your decision. Although again I can't say the same from you
all as again you have questioned my intelligence. Just because I do not have a title

as a nurse, or doctor etc does not mean that I have not put in hours and hours
months and years of research in my decisions. It also does not mean that because
of a title and a decision I have made for my family that I am any less intelligent than
you.
I would also like to add as far as the WHO statistics, if you look up from the cdc
there have been no measles deaths in the US for years. We cannot be compared to
a 3rd world country that does not have access to clean water and sanitation. I would
also like to add the global 147k deaths that did occur were not in the US and we're
in Heavily vaccinated areas.