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With all this fat people hate nonsense going on in /r/all.. (self.Fitness)

submitted6hoursago*byron_manager

...Iwasrefreshedtocomehereandseenoneofit.Nowwhetherthatisthemodsremovingstuffbeingpostedorjust
thecommunityrisingaboveit,itisnicetosee.
Everysanepersonknowsthathatingpeopledoesn'thelpthem,encouragementandeducationdoes.Asaformerfat
personmyselfIsupposeIhaveadifferentperspectivetosomeother'fit'peoplebutlet'sallremembertohelppeople
improve(ifthat'swhattheyaretryingtodo)andnotridiculethem.
Andifyouareafatpersonreadingthispostwhoiswonderingwhattheotherpeopleinthegymarethinkingabout
you,itisnotallthisbollocksbeingpostedonthissite.IthinkIcanspeakonbehalfofmostofusinthissubwhenI
saythatuponseeingafatpersoninthegymIthink'fuckinggoodonyamate'not'errryouarescum'.
Weallstartedsomewhere.
Edit:Becausethispostseemstobegettingquitepopularandwilllikelybeseenbyalotofpeople,someofwhomwill
notbesubscribedtothissub,IamgoingtopostacrudelymockedupprogresspictureofmyselfIjustmadeinpaint
inthehopethatitcouldinspireoneortwopeopletomakesomepositivechangesintheirlife.IfIcandoityoucan.
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[] GOTLY578 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ithinkcensorshipisworsethanhatespeech.
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[] JDeegs undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ithinkmostfatpeoplehatecomesfrompreconceivednotionthattheyarelazyandwhatnot,whichyoucan'treally
thinkaboutsomeonewho'sworkingtheirassoffinthegym.
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ignoranceandsaythey'reperfectlyhealthybecausetheyeatfruitandvegetablesandgoonwalks,despitebeingat
least50+poundsoverweight.
Alsohatetheskinnyshamers
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[] proterozoic undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Seriously...I'maskinnyfuck,butallthefatbullyinglatelymakesmesickonapersonallevel.
Yeah,it'sapublichealthissue,butobesitydidn'tgetprevalentbecauseoverweightpeopledon'thatethemselves
enough.Thefatbashinghasnothingtodowithpromotinghealth,it'sjustassholeswhohavefoundanewgroupthey
canhateonwhiletryingtofrontsanctimoniousaboutit.
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[] tentimestenis undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

I'mnotfatbutIhatenonsensetoo.It'skindofstereotypicaltosaythat.Anyonecanhatenonsense,notjustfat
people.
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[] Caabha undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Wasn'tthereaverypopularpostherelastweekthatwasabouthowyoucanjudgeapersonspersonalitybytheir
weight?Basicallyitwhittleddownto"Ithinkfatpeoplehaveshittypersonalities,andIdon'tcarewhoknowsit!"Then
whereyouwouldexpectdownvotesandpeoplesaying,nahyouarekindofafuckingdick,yougotagreementand"no
it'sokaytothinkthatway."
Itfinallygotdeletedbutitwasprettypopularwhileitlasted.
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[] MrRobinGoodfellow undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Idontgiveashitwhatsizesexorracepeopleareinthegym.Ihatethemallequally,iftheyprocrastinateonthe
equipment:
Useitorgetoutthewaysoothersarenotwastingtheretimewaiting15+minuteswhileyoulookatyourphoneor
chatontheonlyavailablebenchpressetcetc.
Guessitsapetpeeveofmine.
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[] Waksman undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Yeah,eversince,Isawagirlgetharrassedintodeletingheraccountaboutmakingapostabouthowshedidn'tenjoy
runningenjoyrunninginaclubwithabunchoffaster/thinnerpeople(seemsreasonabletome,Irunslow,soIlike
runningalone),I'vedetestedthatsub.Shewasdoingtherightthingandchangingherlifeandthosepeoplejust
madeherfeelsoshitty.Fuckeveryonethattakespartinthattypeofthing.
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[] foiltime undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Well,therewasn'tanythingaboutit....untilnow.
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[] Got5BeesForAQuarter undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Maybetheadminsshouldjustworryaboutcleaningupthreadandletgooftheiregos.
Iamnotsureifthisisaboutfreedomofspeechorjustpointlessdramaanymore.Andthishasnothingtodowith
changesMs.Paohadmadeforsure.

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[] SysLordX undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thankyou.
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[] KanadaKid19 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

IfeellikeitstartedoverherethreeweeksagowhentheydecidedtobanlinkstotheBroScienceLifechannelafterthe
"dadbod"videocameout,butthemods'announcementthreadaboutthedecisionwasdownvotedtozerosonoone
everreallysawtheannouncementtogetoutraged.I'mstillnotconvincedweallknowthathappened?
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[] atarigod2600 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thesubsthatwerebannedprimarilymockedpeoplewhodefendedbeingoverweightandobeseashealthyandokay.
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[] StalinWasAJerk undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ashittysubredditfullofcuntswasbanned.Theyproceedtoactlikecunts.
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[] Scott555 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Whodoesn'tunderstandthishasnothingtodowiththeparticularsubjectmatterofthesubsthatgotbanned?It'sthe
facttheydiditandtheirstatedreasonsfordoingit.
Tellsomeonethey'renotpermittedtosayfuck,whathappens?Youhearalotoffuck.
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[] ichosethis undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ihadafriendinhighschoolwhotoldsomeone"you'reonlyfatifyou'renottryingtodosomethingaboutit."SoI'm
notfatanymorebutIwillcontinuetolose.
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[] cherrybomb921 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Beinganassholedoesn'tcureobesity.Ifitdidwewouldn'thavesuchaproblemwithitinMurica.
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[] dorogov undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Hatersarehaters,ifyouwerewhatusedtobeaverage30yearsagoyou'dhear"youneedaburger""jokes"waytoo
often.
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[] ShadowTheEdgehog undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Achubbypersonwhoworksoutalotismuchhealthierthanaskinnypersonwhositsontheirassallday.
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[] fischyman undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Youwererefreshedtoseenoneofit...soooyoustartedathreadaboutit?
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[] FutureStrongman undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Whatissadisjustlike/r/blackpeopletwitteraremostlywhitepeopleactingblack,thepeopleoverat/r/fatpeoplefat
aremostlikelyoverweightpeoplejustjoiningthemobtotryandeithermakefunofthemselvesorlivesomealternate
lifebecausetheyhatetheirs.

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[] alien01 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

andiftheydon'twanttogetfitorthin,thendon'trudelytalktothemasiftheyhaveto.D
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[] KomradeKoala undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Theyneverwantedtohelpfatpeople.They'reahateful,pettybunchofcuntswithalotoffreetime.
It'sgoodtoseethepeoplewhoactuallycareaboutfitnessarestillbehavinglikefuckingadults.
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[] Steve_Taylor undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Imean,can'twealljustagreethatbeingfatisn'ttheproblem?Stayingfatis.
Peoplewhojustifybeingconstantlyoverweightarefuelingthisproblem,leadingtotheacceptanceoffatpermanence
inpeople,ratherthanusingitasastartingmotivationtobetteryourselfandbecomehealthier.
Ifyou'rehealthyandvisuallyabit'bigger'thanothersthensure,letpeopleknowthatthey'rebeinganasshole,but
don'tjustifybeingoverweightbecause"weighthasnothingtodowithhealth"becausethat'sthelargestpileof
bollucksIcouldeverthinktomakeup.
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[] SortaPro undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

It'snotaboutmakingfunoffatpeople,it'sabouthowPaotookdownthesubredditFatPeopleHate.Sopeopleare
doingtheexactoppositebecauseshetookawaythesitesfreedomofspeech.
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[] KeeperDe undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Iactuallydontthinkpeopleinthosesubsreallyhatefatpeople.Theyjusthatetheideaoffatpeoplesayingthatthey
lovethemselvesandthewaytheylook,andthatitsnotasunhealthyaseveryonethinksandblabla.
Ireallycanunderstandthatstandpoint,ifyouarefatyoushouldworkonitandstartgettingfit,itreallyisabig
concernforyourhealthwhenyouaremorbidlyobese,soyoushoulddowhateveritsinyourpowertochangethat.
Startingafatacceptancemovementwonthelpthat...Imyselfcanacceptfatpeople,thatsnobigdeal,butwhatIcan
notacceptisthosepeopletryingtomakeotherfatpeopleloseinterestinworkingout.Ithinkthatsjustdisgusting
andfatacceptanceistheleastthingwhathelpshere.
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[] dubitandum undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Well,sincethethreadisalreadyat500+commentsandnoonewilleverseemine,I'llthrowthisoutthere:
IfyouliveinPhillyandyou'retryingtostartgoingtothegymbutareanxiousorunsureaboutwhattodoandafraid
everyonewillbejudgingyou(eventhoughtheywon't),youcancomefollowmearoundforafewworkouts.Oryou
canjustsayhiandthenfindmeifyoueverhavequestionsorneedaspot.I'mnotatrainerorsuperjackedor
anything,justanaveragedudewhogoestothegymconsistentlyandhasbeenacoupleyears.Icantellyouhowall
themachinesworkandcan(probably)pointoutbadformonmostlifts,althoughI'mbynomeansanexpert.Idoa
bodybuildingstyleupper/lowersplit.SometimesI'lldo20minutesofHIITonabike.Oh,andIworkoutatthe
Bellevueincentercity.I'mthereMonThursnightsinthesummer,notinPhillyfortheweekendsuntilitgetscold
again.
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[] comicbookguys undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Fuckoff,karmagrabbingwhorebag.

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[] Edewede undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Doesn'tseeapostaboutFPHcontroversyandishappy,thenmakesapostaboutFPHcontroversy...
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[] spoetnick undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Iftheyarefat,Iloserespectforthem.Thembeinginthegymdoesn'thelpthat.Onlyiftheyareworkinghardand
showprogressdoesitchange.
Gettingfatandbuyingagymmembershipdoesn'treallymakeapersonadmirable.
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[] guyonthissite undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Mockingandshamingsmokersworkedreallywellatreducingsmoking.Idon'tseewhythesamethingcouldn'tbe
appliedtofatpeople.Inthevastmajorityofcasestheyarefatfromthechoicestheymake,notfromsomehormonal
dysfunctionorsomesuchthing.
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[] NoTifuToday undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

NobodyhatesyouforDOINGSOMETHINGaboutobesity.
Theonesgettinghatearetheonesproudoftheirmorbidobesity.
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[] lift_mdfk_lift undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

WhenIseeafatpeopleinthegymthefirstthoughtthatcomestomindishopingtheywillbeconsistentandwill
accomplishtheirgoals.Ithink,damn,Ihope6monthsorayearfromnowyouwillstillbegoingtothegym.
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[] dingledangles undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

I'munfamiliarwithr/fatpeoplehate,butfromthenameofthesub,Iamassumingitwasaplacewhereredditorscould
makefunoffatpeopleandenjoyalaughattheirexpense.
Whileitishardlyanagreeablewaytotreatpeople,censorshipisnotsomethingthatshouldevermakeit'swayonto
whatislargelyconsideredabastionofinternetfreedom.
Onthetopicoffatshamingasamotivationaltool,itislargelyineffective(althoughclearlyithasworkedforsome).
WhatIcannotstandarepeoplelikeTessHolidaywhotryandsuggestthatweightisanonissueandthatit'sperfectly
OKtosettlewhenyouaremorbidlyobese(andImeanMORBIDLY).Youcanarguethatcurvywomencanstillbe
healthy,butonelookatTessandyouknowsomethingiswrong.
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[] Anthonyandricciola undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Getyourmacronutrients,hitthegym,losetheweight.Beingfatisjustasdumbassmoking,you'rechoosingtodo
somethingthat'sharmingyourbodyandyouknowtheconsequences.
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[] satsujin_akujo undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

I'mwithyou.Idon'tgenerallyjudgeoverweightpeopleoutsideofthegymiftheyareinthegymatleasttheyare
doinggoodworksinthehouseofBrodin.
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[] chismaquina undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ithinkit'sonlyfairthatIgettoseeyourpenisnowthatyouarealsoabletofindit.
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[] mattalingur undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

"Tothefatassjoggingtheseasideyesterdayafternoon.
You,whocanhardlyliftyourlegswhenyoudragyourselfthroughthepavement.You,whodragyourselftheopposite
directionofalltheotherjoggers.You,thatstopsevery10minutestogetadrinkofwater,andwouldprobablystop
moreoftenifthereweremorebenchesalongthepavement.You,wholookdownyourshoesinshameeverytime
someonepassesyou.You,whoarebathedinsweatafterittookyoutwentyminutestojogakilometer
Youneedtoknowonething:Youareawesome!
Foreverysmallstepyoutake,youdragabodyweightthat'sdoubletomine,aweighthangingonyourskeletonand
wantingtogetoff.Foreverykilometeryourun,you'repayingoffadebt.adebtformidnightsnacking,dessertor
beer.Thisisn'tyourfirstdayoutrunninganditwon'tbeyourlast.You'vebegunajourneythatwilllastalifetime.
Youdon'trunwithmusicinyourears,probablysothere'snodistraction,soyoucanmentallypepyourself.Ifyou
wouldn'tlookdownatyourshoeseverytimewemeet,thenyou'dseethatI'mnotjudgingyou.IbelieveinyouandI
admireyou,
Youcandothis!"
Fatshamingisnotcoolandbreaksdowntheindividual,let'sgivethemapeptalk,cheerthemon.Thefitness
"community"shouldbeaboutbetteringyourself,notbelittlingtheonetryingtobecomebetter.ThatiswhatIlove
aboutthefitnesscommunity,I'veseenmorbidlyobeseguysgettrainedbynationallyknownfitnesscompetitors,and
there'snodisdain,noarrogance,simplyamutualinterestinlookingbetterthanyesterday.
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[] SyrupyCanuck undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

I'mprettydisgustedbythepeopleoffph.I'mprettyfit,alwayshavebeen.Iwouldneverthinknegativelyabout
someonetryingtobetterthemselvesinthegym.Ihavenoissueswithpeoplewhodecidenottostayinshape,it's
theirdecision.Irememberlookingatfphforatotalof5minutesandwantedtopuncheveryonethere.
Ilikethissubforthemostpartsinceeveryone'sonthesamepageofgettingintothehealthylifestyle,whichIlove.
Gladtoseeothersseethepositivesideofthingshereaswell.
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[] RVCFever undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Inprocessoflosingweight,wasn'treallyhugelyfatoranythingjustputonalittlebit.Oneofmymatespulledme
asideandaskedifIwantedtogorunningwithhimbecauseI'dputalittleon.Ihadn'treallyrealisedandhonestly
withouthimsayingthatI'dneverhaveknown.
IMO/r/fatpeoplehatewasverytoxicbutitworksforsomepeople.Absolutelynowayitshouldhavebeenbanned.
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[] Troglokhan undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Sureeducationhelpsbutwhodoesn'tknowthatbeingfatisbadforyourhealth?
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[] Kimchidiary undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thatsubwasjustdisgusting.Takingphotosofpeopleandpostingthemonthewebtohurlabuseatshouldbe
punishable.
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[] FisherKing22 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

JusttoreiterateOPspointaboutfatpeopleinthegym,Ialwaysfeelbadforthem,notbecausethey'refat,but
becausesomanyofthemhavebodylanguagethatlookslikethey'reuncomfortableinthegym.ButI,alongwith
mostotherregulargymgoers,aregenuinelyrootingforthem.Ifeelbadbecausesooften,thesepeoplecarry
themselveslikeoutcastswhentherealityisthatthegymisexactlywheretheyshouldbe.
Goingforward,I'llmakemoreofanefforttoencourageandmakelargerpeoplefeelwelcomeatthegym.Ireally
don'twanttocomeoffaspatronizing,butIknowhowmuchofadifferencetherightthingsaidattherighttimecan
make.Ifanybodyhasanysuggestions,pleaseletmeknow.
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[] YomamacrazyITB undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Tobebrutallyhonest,althoughtherearesomeratherannoyingextremistson/r/fatpeoplehate,ithinktheyhavea
betterideaandperspectiveonfatpeoplethantheidiotswhosay"beingfatishealthierthanbeingskinny".Accepting
yourselfisgood,butlyingtoyourself?Sayingyouarehealthywhenyoumostcertainlyarenot?Thatsnothowyou
solveaproblem,itshowyoucreateabiggerone.BacklastOctober,iwasbrowsingredditandiwasalsonearly300
fuckinglbs.Iranintothe/r/fatpeoplehatesubredditand,longstoryshort,iquicklydecidedthatitwastimetochange
andstoplyingtomyself.Ivebeenworkingouteversinceandihavedroppedto230lbs.!Iwouldhaveneverdone
thisifineverfoundpeoplewillingtotellmethecoldhardtruth.
TLDR:/r/fatpeoplehatehasactuallyhelpedmechangemylifeforthebetter(aswellasthissub)andimreallysadto
seeitgo.
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[] burrito_batman undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

WhatIdon'tgetisthatbeforeeveryonebashedfphandbanningitsusersfromalotofsub's.Reddithatedfphand
nowthatitsfinallygone,everyoneonredditseemstobeprofphandbashingfatpeople.Idon'tgetitatall...
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[] tonygd undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thanks.Itwasprettygrossandsadtosee/r/all
muchbetteronceIswitchedtomyfront.Everyonebenice.Lifecanbehard.Idon'tknowanyhealthyhappysexy
awesomepeoplewhohatefatpeople.There'snothinggoodtocomeofit.Carryon.
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[] s3rp3nt6666 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ifyou'refatagym,Igiveyounothingbutrespectandalltheencouragementintheworld.Anyonewhoistryingto
loseweightshouldn'tbeputdownforit.Everyonehastostartsomewhere.
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[] p0llen86 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

thepurefactthatyouareonthissubredditisshowingthatyouwanttochangesomething.whyshouldihateon
somebodythatisactivelytryingtoimprove?Andbesidesthat,thisisoneofthenicestandmostcivilsubsonwhole
reddit.
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[] SixtySecondstoEarth undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

IreadFPH.IalsosmileandgivethumbsupsandencouragementtoanyfatpeopleIseeatthegymortryingto
powerwalkorjogorotherwiseactivelytryingtoimprovethemselves.
ButIalsogetincrediblyfrustratedwiththeHealthyAtEverySizemovement,andthefatlazyslobsIhavetointeract
withregularlywhothinkthatIshouldchangetoaccommodatethem,insteadofthemmakinganyefforttochange

themselves.
ReadingFPHwasanicereleasevalveforthatfrustration.
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[] ANUS_CONE undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thanksfortheprops,butit'snotlikewearetheoppositionoffatpeoplein/r/fitness.Thisisn't/r/feminismvs
/r/mensrightsoranything.
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[] wakawaka86 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

HailovetheFPHremnantscomingin,downvotingandtalkingouttheirasstodefendthatsub
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[] AlphaWookie undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Everysanepersonknowsthathatingpeopledoesn'thelpthem,encouragementandeducationdoes.
Nopethatiswhythenationisfatterthanever.
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[] idkwhatImdoing69 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thestuffgoingoninr/allisaboutredditthrowingfreespeechoutthewindowandfurtherdescendingintowhat
advertiserswantreddittobe.FPHwasverystrictwiththeirpolicieswhenitcametonotpostingpersonalinfoand
messingwithothersubs.Ifsomeofthemstillbrokethoserulesthenyoubanthosepeoplenotthesub.
Reddit'sreasoningforbanningitareajokeconsideringtheydidn'ttouchsubswhicharemuchmuchworse.
That'sokay.Thiswillprobablybethestartoftheendforredditasweknowitnowthatanythingcanbebanned
becausesomeonegotoffended.
Freespeech>yourfuckingfeelings.
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[] cogentat undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

I'mfatandwassubscribedtothatsubredditformotivation,andevenhadsomelaughs.Isupportfreespeechand
people'srighttomakefunofmeoranyoneelse.Redditshouldn'tbeahumorlessplaceandthatiswhatEllenPaois
tryingtodo.Iresentthatkindofcensorship.So,yeah,Iappreciatethatyouenjoythesafespace,butnotatthe
priceofgaggingothers.
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[] LadyGrooveUK undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thisisace:)
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[] TheTruthizoutThere undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Toleranceencouragesfatpeopletobecomfortablewithaconditionthatisunhealthyforthem&aburdenonsociety.
Don'tspitonortorturethem,mostdefinitelypushthemtomakepositivechanges.Iftheycan'thandlepeoplemaking
commentsabouttheirweight,itisbecausethey'reavoidingreality&desiretositinthefatsuitthey'veconstructed
aroundtheirskeleton.
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[] crochetquilt undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

WhenIseeafatpersoninthegymmythoughtsareeitherohgodwhydidIhavetodothisinfrontofamirror,or
I'mnotlookingatthematallI'mlookingthroughthembecauseI'minpainandwanttodie.

Eitherway,it'sallgood.
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[] accidentaladult undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Kudos!It'ssodisturbingtoseeallthatgarbageon/r/all.
Idon'tknowanyhappy,healthyandfitfolkswhoarenastylikethat.Generallyspeakinghappy,healthyandfit
peoplewanttohelpandsupport,notputdown.
WhenIseeabiggergirlatthegym(I'malsoagirl..nocreepyhere),thefirstthingIdoisgiveathumbsupanda
smile...IgenuinelyLOVEseeingfolksdoingwhattheyneedtodotobecomehealthyindividuals.Trulydoeswarmmy
heart.
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[] lalwaysforgetmyUname undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Asaguywhohasalwayshadnormalweightbutalsoneverexercised,Ifoundstartingoutinthegymoneofthe
hardestthingsIhaveeverdone.IcanonlyimagineitistougherforoverweightpeopleandIalwaysthinkfairfucking
playmate,goodjob(althoughIneversayit).
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[] kazneus undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

OP,Idefinitelyagreewithyou.Ilostalotofweightmyself.AlltheteasingandbullyingIgotwhenIwasyoungerwas
prettydevastating.Ijustwantedtobeleftaloneandlooseweightonmyown.
SothewayIunderstanditisthatthewholefatpeoplehatethingstartedasabacklashagainstthebullshitfatpositive
movement.And..wellthat'sactuallysomethingIcangetbehind.Thatshitisfullyretarded.SoI'mprettyonboard
withtargetingpeoplewhoputthemselvesinthepublicasfatpositiveadvocates.
Wheretheylostmeiswhentheystartedpostingfuckingpicturesofjustpeople.Justfuckingpeople.Forallyouknow
thesepeoplecouldbeactivelyintheprocessofloosingweight.Occasionallythereisalegitimatemedicalconditionat
play(likewhenpeoplethinkverybadlymphodemaisfat.)Sometimestheypostkids.Justfuckingkids.That'sthe
worst.
Ifyouwanttoshamepeoplewhoareopenly,andmoreimportantly,publiclyspreadingmisinformationaboutthe
healthrisksofbeingoverweight(especiallywhilebeingoverweightthemselves)that'sonething.Ifyouwanttodrag
randompeoplethroughthemudpeoplewhoarejusttryingtolivetheirlivesasprivatelyaspossiblethesedays
that'ssomethingalltogetherdifferent.
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AllIknowisthankgodforRESfilters.Makesitpossibletoactuallybrowsereddittoday.
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[] Lordrummxx1 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Fatpeopleareaburdenonsociety,themselves,andthenextgenerationthattheyspawn.Theyareawful,useless,
andadrainontaxdollars.Infact,alltheyknowhowtodoisbitchandblameothersratherthantakeresponsibility
fortheirownshittylifechoices.I'msorrybutfuckthem.Theydeservetobehated.
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[] lulzingtonthe4th undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

whycan'tweallagreeobesityisamentalillness,justlikebeinganympho,justlikebeingadrugaddict,justlike
beingOCD,andjustlikebeinganorexic
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[] lizabFA undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Even/r/fatlogicand/r/fatpeoplestoriescantstandthefolksfrom/r/fatpeoplehateHellafterThehatesubressitwas
banned,fatlogicturnedonprivacybecausetheydidn'twantallthefolksfromfatpeoplehatetofloodtheirsub(orso
themodssaid).
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[] Slack_Irritant undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ronyoudon'tspeakforanyonebutyourself.Rememberthat.Youdon'tdecidewhatmotivatespeopleandwhat
doesn't.
Asthetopcommentsaid,thisisafitnessboardthattalksaboutfitnessobjectively.Keepyourdramacrapoutofhere,
evenifyouaretryingtostarta'letspatourselvesontheback'circlejerk.
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Havingneverhadanyweightissuespreviously,IcanconfirmthethoughtsIhadtowardthebiggerpeopleinthegym.
Iwasproudofthemandsomewhatinspired,notinacondescendingway.Simplyinaweofapersonwhodoes
somethingtoreachagoal.Nowstrugglingwithmyownweight,Icanunderstandjusthowharditcanbesometimes
tojustbemotivated.
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[] drucifer0 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ithelpsthatadecentnumberofpeopleonr/fitnessareworkingouttogainweight.Hereweknowthatbeing
underweightisalsoashittyunattractivestateofbeing.
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[] abienz undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

There'salotofmisunderstandingwithregardstothefatpeoplehategoingon.
Here'swhathappened:
/r/fatpeoplehatepostedpersonalinformationinitssidebartopromoteattackingindividuals
redditmodsclosedthesubbecausethisisagainsttheTermsandConditions
ThemobdecidedthiswasbecauseofEllenPao(RedditCEO)andwasacensorshiponfreedomofspeech
ThemobcreatedothersubredditstopromotehateoffatpeopleandEllenPaomissingthereasonwhy
/r/fatpeoplehatewasshutdowninthefirstplace.
Thisisthecruxofit.it'saloadofmobmentalitythatdoesn'tunderstandwhattheproblemreallywasabout,which
wasassimpleasasubredditnotfollowingthesitestermsandconditions.
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[] twawaytrust undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

fatpeoplehategotmeoffthecouch.fatpeoplestoriesgotmetolose40lbs.Theshamingandallthatdoesn'tworkfor
EVERYONE,butitdoesworkforsomepeople,andit'sanimportantbit.
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[] gabe614 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

IfanythingwhenIseea"fat"personatthegymitalwaysmotivatesmeevenmore.
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[] Vault109girl undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

IsubmittedapictureofmyselftoseeiftheythoughtIwasskinnyenoughandtheybannedmeforhaving"chubby
thighs":(

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[] nMaib1 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

everysanepersonisnotfat,Iwouldn'ttellapersons/he'sfatoutoftheblue,butIwouldthinkitandtheywould
knowit,theyseeiteveryday,allI'msayingis,ifinsultingisdoingsomethingpositivethenitispositive,Iknowit's
rude,buttheresultsarelesspeopledyingandsomepeoplecrying.
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[] HerrXRDS 2points

Somepeoplearesimplynotrightintheirhead.Ihavethis"friend",goestothegymprettyoftenbutheneverpushes
himself,chubbyoverweight,allheevertalksaboutishowfatareotherpeople,whomostofthem,ironically,areless
fatthanhim.Andgodforbidforatrulyoverweightpersontoshowupinthegym,thecommentsIhearfromhimare
enraging.Heevenwenttothisgirlwhohad1213%bodyfatandtoldhershegotfatandshelooksugly.Fuckthat
guy.
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[] Nuttin_Up undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Yea...tellmeaboutfatacceptanceasyou'resquishingmeoutofmyseatontheplane.
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[] N_Raist 0points

IthinkIshouldclearsomethingsupregardingthesub:
Firstly,therewasnobrigading.Infact,itwasfrownuponandnottolerated.Evenmentioninganothersubwasnot
allowed.Nodoxxingeither,thatimgurstaffpicturewasavailablefromthestart.Itwas,doesn'tmatterifyoulikedor
not,averystrictsubregardingreddit'srules.(Thingstonote:afatuserthreatenedmultiplemembersofthesub
imgutallowsexecutionsimages,butbansfphpictures)
Now,aboutthetopicsthesubwasbasedaround.Alotofpeoplegetcarriedawaybythe'hate'inthename,relatingit
tohatespeechorwhatever.Therealityisthatitwassomekindofmixoffatlogic,justneckbeardthingsandothers:
laughingatfatlogic,sharingdelusionalattitudesorcomplainingaboutdisgustingbehavior(takingmultipleseats,
haes,etc.).Inbroaderterms,therearecertaintraitsalotoffatpeopleshare,suchaslaziness,andIhaveno
problemsseeinghowsomeonecandislikepeoplebasedontheirattitude.
Lastofall,Ineversawfatshamingpeopleactivelytryingtochange.Notasingle'lookatthisfattieonthetreadmill',
becausetheyweretryingtoimprovetheirlifeconditions.Supporttothoseactuallyintendingtogethealthywas
indeedencouraged.
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[] hiimnotnewhere undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Whatpissesmeoffisthattheonlyproblemswe'reallowedtoconfrontpeopleonwithgenuinecompassionand
understandingarealcoholismanddrugaddiction.Forotherproblemswe'reallowed,andoftenexpected,tochastise
peoplepublicly.Gotcaughtcheatingonyourwifetosatisfyasexaddictionorkink?You'reaselfishpervertedasshole.
Yousmokecigarettes?You'reaselfish,selfdestructiveasshole.You'refat.....wellthere'snothingwrongwiththat,
apparently.
Abuddyofmineisgoingtodiebecausehe's200poundsoverweight,heworksahighstressdeskjob,andhejust
turned40.Theonlythingthatcouldpotentiallysnaphimoutofhisselfpityandacceptancerutwouldbeanold
fashionedinterventionwithfriendsandfamily,butdoingthatforsomeone'sweightproblemisunheardof,andlikely
unaccepted.It'sfuckingastoundingtomethatbroachingthetopicofsomeoneeatingthemselvestodeathis
somehowtaboo.
WhenIwasinthemilitaryIhadgottenupto270pounds.I'm6'4",soIwasn'tacompleterolypoly,butIwasbeing

threatenedwithdischargeifIdidn'tdroptheweight,andtheywereNOTkindandunderstandingaboutit.Iwasshit
oneverysingledaybymysuperiors.Atworst,myphysicalappearanceintheciviliansectorwouldhavebeen
considered'husky',butinthemilitaryIwasliterallycalledabagofshit.Andafatbody.Anddisgusting.Andaftera
while,Istartedtofeeldisgustedwithmyself.Andyouknowwhat?Itfuckingworked.
Ilost45poundsintwomonths,anditwasthesimplestprogramyoucanimagine.Icutmyintaketoastrict1500
caloriesaday,consistingmainlyofchicken/tuna/eggs,fruits/veggies,yogurt,andproteinshakes.Ialsodidonehour
ofhighintensityellipticalinthemorning,andanotherhourintheevening,andIdidpushupstomaintainmystrength
withoutgainingbulk.AfteronlytwomonthsIwasleanandmean,anditwassuchasimpleprogramtostickwith.
I'mnotsurewhereI'mgoingwiththisatthispoint,butyeah,beingfatreallyisdisgustingandunnecessary,andit's
EASILYFUCKINGFIXABLE,butit'sstillconsidereduncouthtotellpeoplethisin2015,andthat'sagenuinetragedy.
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[] Purphect 1point

Youmadeagreatpointalotofpeopleshouldknow.Everyonewhogoestothegymstartedsomewhere.Whether
you'refatorscrawny.Youhavetostartfrombeginningandworkyourwaytowhereyouwanttobe.Itcanbehard,
buttrynottogettoonervousaboutwhateveryoneelseisthinking.(They'reprobablyprettyzonedinontheirown
workoutanyways)
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[] ilyuhman 1point

I'vebeenreallytryingtoloseweightfor3years.Ihadabout20kgextra,managedtocut5or7ofitatbest.After
that,Istoppedtryingandjustlostitin3month.NowI'mwithinnormalbmiandkeeplosing0,51kiloperweekon
average,mygoalisbmiof22andgettingfit.
WhenIstartedit,/r/fitnesshelpedmealot.Sodid/r/keto.Butmytruesourcesofcontinuingmotivationwerefph
andfatlogic.Fphhadzerointentmotivatingpeople,butitdiditfantasticallyformanyotherslikeme.Itisthanksto
fphnowIknow,thatIwillneverbeoverweightagain,Ijustcan'tletithappen.
Ioftenseepeoplesayingthatfphisjustasmallbunchofhatefuljerks,butafterithit150ksubsitbecamepretty
clearit'snotjustacommunity,it'speopleyouseeeveryday.Someofthemareyourcoworkers,relatives,maybe
evenfriends.Fphisyourgrumpyuncle,thattellsyoutheuglytruth,butyouknowthathelovesyousomewheredeep
inside.
Iguessmypointisthatweallarequitedifferent.Someneedcarrot,someneedstick.Thereprobablywasa
compromiseforthoseoffendedbutalas.ItchangedmylifeinagreatwayandIwillalwaysbethankfulforthat.
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[] mynameisdana 1point

Yeahithankyoumatebutididn'thavethatexperienceioncewhilejoggingfor30secondsandwalkingforaminute
andsohadagroupofpeopledrivepastmeafewscreaming'fuckyoustopeatingfastfood'orfatfuckerdon'teven
bother'andspittingandworse.Peoplecanbesocruelevenwhentryingtolosebabyweightoranyweight.Ihave
justcamehereandhadsomehorriblepeoplemessagemethingslike'juststopliving'and'noonecaresaboutyou'i
thoughtthiswassave.Imnotontofacebookandallthatijustwantedalittle.bitofsupport.80%ofredditaregreat
butitreallyhurtswhenastrangermessagesyoutodiecauseyouneedadviceonhowtojugglework,kidsandyour
weight.Myproblemismainlyidonteatcauseimbusythenihavetoastatmidnight.Haven'thadfastfood(barthe
oddsubway)inyearscantaffordit.Idontknowwhypeoplemessagemethismaybeishouldjustbealurkerandnot
amember:ljustlovecommentingonsomeofthefantasticthingsisee.
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[] Philanthropiss 1point[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Everysanepersonalsoknowsthatsilencingsomeonewhohaspassionisonlygoingtomakethemlouder.
Fatpeoplehatehadapassionforhatingfatpeople.Youcannotsilencethat.
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[] beardface84 1point

OP,canIaskhowlongittooktogetthoseresults?I'minasimilarshapetohowyouwere,andI'vejuststartedat
thegym.Anytips(barringtheobviouseatclean,excerciseetc)?
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[] miserablestoic undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

It'sallabunchofwank!I'mashitlordandIfrequentedfphalot.NowIgotothegym6timesaweek,andIdon't
judgeanyoneatthegym.It'soutsideofthegymthatmyhatredstarts,butI'mnotgonnagetintothathere.
Whatreallyisjustshitisthatredditisbanningoursubreddits,whathappenedtofreedomofspeech?Therearesome
rightfuckinghorrendoussubsonreddit,likedeadchildrenpicsorwhatever,theygettostay,yetifyoumakefunofa
fatperson,yougetbanned.That'snotwhatIthoughtredditwasabout,andI'mseriouslyconsideringleaving,fph
wastheonlysubIvisited.
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[] TooktheBluePill 4points

Indeed.Iloveseeingfatpeopleinthegym.Thebestiswhenyoukeepseeingthesamefatpersonoverandover
againandcanwatchthemtransform.Thereisaguyinmygymwhowentfromprettyobese,torelativelystackedin
I'dguessayearorso.Itwasawesometowatch.
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[] lnclincoln undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Itsnotpeoplejusthatingonfatpeople.Itsobesepeoplewhoaretryingtopushthattheirlifestyleishealthy.Itslike
analcoholictryingtosayheisfinethewayheis.Theyarebothunhealthylifestylesandshouldnotbeviewedas
normal.Ifsomeoneistryingtochangetheirlifeforthebetterandishatedonthenthatisdisgusting.Butitiscorrect
tocalloutpeoplewhentryingtopushtheirunhealthylifestyleasifitisnormaltobe300+poundsordrinkingabottle
everything.It'snot"beautiful,"itsdownrightgoingtokillthatperson.
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[] DocBalls 1point

Wow,I'mfatandIneverrealizedpeoplehateme,Iwasjustlivingmylifehappy.Afterreadingallthishate,I've
decidedtoonlygooutsidewhenrequired,otherwiseIwillmostlybecomeaninsideperson.
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[] easyfeel 0points

Forgetthoselosersin/r/fitpeoplehate
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[] alientic 1point

Thankyouforsayingthat.I'vebeenworkingonlosingweightformanyyears,butIwasneverabletoactuallygetthe
willpowertodoituntilIwasoutofahatefulenvironmentandgotintoasupportingone(andnowI'velostabout60
lbs).Hatingdoeshelpsomepeople,butforalotofpeople,italsomakesitworse,andtheproblemisyoudon'tknow
whoisgoingtobeaffectedwhatway.
Idon'tcomeonthissubthatoften,butit'sgoodtoseeI'mstillwelcomehere,evenifIstillhaveweightIneedto
lose:)
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[] wagstagsthird 1points

I'mgoingtoplaydevil'sadvocatehere.I'mprettysureanypersononFPHwouldlovetoseefatpeopleinthegym.It
wouldbehypocriticaltoshameobesepeopleandthenshamethemforattemptingtobetterthemselves.Every
commentoneverypostsmockstheirapparentlackofeffortatlosingweight,sowhywouldtheyhateontheminthe
gymfortryingtofixtheproblem?I'mfairlycertainwehaveagoodnumberofshitlordsonthissub,butwhydown
themin/r/fitness?Thisistheendgame,wehavetobesupportiveherebecausethisiswheretheywouldcometo
start.FPHmayhaveonlybroughtafewpeoplehere,butwearetheoneswhoencouragethemtokeepgoingand
perseverethroughthecriticism.
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[] VeryMagical 9points

I'vemadepoorchoicesinmylifeandithasleadtomebeingoverweight.ButIacknowledgethatandIamtryingto
reversethose.Constantlyseeingpeoplesayingsomeonelikemeis"disgusting"orwhateverelsetheysayisnotgoing
tomakemechange.Itmakesmesadandthat'salltheywanted.Tobully.But"fat"doesnotdefinewhoIam.Iwill
behealthyagainonedayanditwillbethankstothepeoplewhoofferedsupport,notcriticism.
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[] KipzOfTheMud undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Same.Alotoftheseassholestrytojustifyitwith"we'rejustmotivatingthem"or"peoplelearndifferently"butweall
knowtheonlyreasonwastojudgepeopleandmakethemsad.I'mgladit'sgone.
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[] thatfishscale undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

reportedforbeingafaggot
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[] LikeAndSubscribeJK 4points

notbeingposted
postsit
Manyousuuurearedumb:p
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[] kiproping 2points

Idon'tthinkitsaboutfatpeoplehateperse,itsjustpeoplelashingoutatchairmanPao.
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[] 3ntl3r 16points

historyindicatesthatshaming&dehumanizingpeopleleadstohorridresults.
ifhavingaforumwherespoutingyournarrowmindedvenomissodamnimportantbuild&hostyourowndamn
forum.
wishingyouallhealth,peace&wellness
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[] myotherusernamebroke 2points

Agreedespeciallywhenthosepeoplearerunningharder,sweatingmore,andjustputtinginmoreworkthanIdoor
havebeen.Itismotivationaltoseelargerpeopledecidingtomakeachange.Determinationtomakeachangeis
alwaysinspiring,especiallywhenyoucanseeitandtheresults.
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[] Moldyman 3points

It'snotabouthatingfatpeople.It'saboutfreespeech.Simpleasthat.
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[] MackMizzo 1point[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ithoughtthemainpointofcontentionwasthecensorshipissue?"Wheredoesitend"etc.
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[] Trickster174 5points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Goodlord,alotofpeoplehereseemtobeconfusing"hate"with"toughbutdirectlove/care."Itwasn'thatewhenmy
dadpulledmeaside4yearsagoandsaid"Son,you'vereallyputonalotofweight,andwiththehealthissuesinour
familyitwouldreallybebeneficialifyouslimmeddown.Youwouldfeelandlookmuchbetter,too."Andhewasright.
Norwasithatewhenmybestfriend,aroundthesametimetoldme"Heydude,I'mjustgoingtobebluntwithyou:I
amgettingworriedaboutyourhealth.You'veputonalotofweightinashorttime."Butthatwasn'thate,thatwas
mydadandmyfriendbeingdirectandupfrontwithme.
Hateisliterallyinthenameof"FatPeopleHate."Peopleinthatplacedon'tpointoutoverweight/obesepeoplefroma
placeofloveandcaring,theypointitoutfromaplaceofpettinessandanger.
Internetstrangerspointingitoutsomeone'ssizemayshameafewofthemtothepointofslimmingdown,butIdon't
thinkthemethodisworththeresults.We,asasociety,needabetterwayoftellingpeopletotakemorecareof
themselvesthatisn'tcoddlingbutdoesn'tinvolvehatredandbulling.Believeitornotthereisamoredirectway,as
mydadandfriendprovedtome4yearsago.And,70poundslater,itworked.
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[] DonPoppito666 3points

...Iwasrefreshedtocomehereandseenoneofit.
Soyoumadeapostaboutit?
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[] TerdSandwich undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Hamplanetplsgo
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[] JoeyWah 2points

IguaranteeyouthatalmostnoFPHposterhasseentheinsideofagym.
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[] SpamFilterHatesMe undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Really?Howdoyouguaranteethis?
Orjusttalkingoutofyourass?
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[] xi_mezmerize_ix undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

r/fatpeopleshamewouldbeagreatalternative
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[] theprancingpuppy 1point

Ithinkit'sgoodtobehonest,butofcourseit'slowtoridiculepeopleortohateagroupofpeople.
However,IthinkitgoesbothwaysandIdon'tthinkweshouldmakeassumptionsthat"peoplewhogoon
r/fatpeoplehatehavelowselfesteem"orwhatever.
Peoplearejustdicks.Inalotofplaces,it'sacceptabletomakerudejokesaboutfatpeople.Nowadays,insome

placesit'sokaytohateonnormalorsmallersizedpeople.
Sothebasicgististhatpeoplewhoarecuntstowardsotherpeopleshouldbeignoredortoldtoleaveitalone.They
don'twanttohelpyou,theywanttohurtyou.
Peoplewhoarehonestwithyouandtrytohelp,wellsometimesthathelpisuncalledforbutotherwise,they'regood.
Weshouldn'tbuildupawallaroundfatpeoplesotheywillnotfeelthreatenedeither(la"don'tcallmeoverweight,
that'sakintobeingaracist"),weshouldjusttreateachothernicelywhichIalsoreallylikeaboutthefitness
communities.Mostpeoplewillonlyencourageyouinyourquesttobecomehealthy,nomatterwhoyouare,andthe
oneswhohategettoldtostopit.
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[] trankwiZ 8points

Fatpeoplehateisnotdirectedtofatpeopletryingtogetfit,itsdirectedtothefatpeoplewhoarelazyandeatallday
andthinkitsfinetodoso.
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[] nobody2000 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Bullshit.Ifafatpersonwearinggymclotheswaspostedonthere,andsomeonesaid"Itlookslikethey'retryingto
loseweight"theywouldbemetwithabanandamessage:
"NoSympathy."
Therewasnonobleintention.Itwasalljusthating.There'sahugeobesityepidemiccostingtheUShealthcare
industry~$200Billiondollars.Noonelikedtodiscussitbecauseitwasn'tsexyenoughtoearnKarma.WhattheyDID
liketorepostwastheobesityversionofthewelfarequeenfalacythatdumbbirdintheUKwhodidn'twanttoget
bariatricsurgerybecauseshewantedtokeepherwelfarebenefits.Superrarecase,butitwarrantedaplethoraof
votes.
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[] Kivla 7points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

No,youarewrong.FPHwouldharassandbullyfatpeoplenomatterwhattheyweredoing.90%ofthedamnpics
fromthatsubwerejusttakenoffsomebody'sFacebookandgivennocontext.Whyiseveryonesayingthatthe
subredditwasfightingthefatacceptancemovementnow?It'slikeredditorsaretryingtorewritehistorysothatthe
banfitstheirnarrativeof"innocentlittlesubredditdestroyedbyevilsjwchairmanPAO!!1*CENSOSHIPZ***".
That'snotwhathappened.Thesubredditharassedpeopleandbrigadedothersubredditsandthat'swhyitwas
banned.
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[] PluckyWren 3points

Apersonaltrainertoldmetherearetwokindsofpeopleinagym.Thoseinshapeandstayinginshapeandthose
gettinginshape.
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[] kerrybaumann undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

AssomeonewhowassadtoseeFPHgo,IwillsaythatIwasneverasubscribertothesub,however,Ididvisitit
often.Ididnotliketheposts"Heylookatthisfatty!"andjustarandompictureofsomefatperson.ButIdidenjoy
theHAESbanter.Ihavefatfriends,anddonothatefatpeopleingeneral,butIdohateHAES,andIfuckingLOATHE
whenpeopletrytogetpityforbeingfat.
Everysanepersonknowsthathatingpeopledoesn'thelpthem,encouragementandeducationdoes.

Justlikeanysportsteampeoplelearndifferently.Thecoachknowswhethertoinstructacertainplayerwhatthey're
doingwrong,ortoriphimanewasshole.Foreverycommentsayingthisisthewrongwaytoteachpeople,thereis
alwaysanothersayingthattheywereaformerfattyandthatthethreadinspiredthem.
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[] Spacemanseeds undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

youtellingfatpeopletogotothegymtriggersthem
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[] cfprimalgamer 0points

Iwasfat,handholdingdidn'tworkme,ifpeoplehadbeenmorehonestabouttheirassessmentsonmeIwouldhave
madeachangesooner.Butpostpeopledon'twanttotakeaccountabilityoftheirlifeandratherliveinabubblewere
beingFatisokaslongastheyarehappy.
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[] CaterpillarShrimp undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

R/fatpeoplehate.ThesubthatRedditneeds,notthatitdeserves.
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[] n0b0d1 1point[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

So...readingthisthreadandgettingafeelforwhatthiscommunityisabout,doanyofyouhaveanyadviceforpeople
whosufferfromactualhormonaldisorders(thyroiddisordersandpolycysticovariansyndromearebothINCREDIBLY
COMMON).
Iam"skinnyfat",juststartingworkingout,myself.Imovedtoanotherpartofthecountry,andwhileIammorethan
awareoftheeffectsofthe"Southerndiet",Ihavemetmorethanafewpeoplewhoaskedmefortips,butcouldnot
dietorexercisethemselvesthin,becauseofthesedisorders(Iblamesomeprescribedpregnancymedications,and
alsogenerational,recreationaldruguse).Theydefinitelyarenotjustmakingexcuses,becauseIhaveseentheir
diets,lotsofcardio,etc.
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[] kinkakinka 2points

Withhormoneimbalancesit'sstillpossibletoloseweight,it'sjustharder.Oftheyareonthepropermedicationfor
theirillnessandwanttogetthin,theonlyrealansweristoworkharderandeatless.Itsucks,butthat'sthereality!
Also,itisveryeasytogoovercaloriesbyeatingthingsthat"don'tcount"likethatcookiefromtheplateyour
coworkerleftinthelunchroom,orthelateafternoonsnackyouhadandforgotabout.That'smyhugedownfall.I'm
physicallyactive5daysaweek(running,yoga,dodgeball,softball,andaweightsclass)andeatingisbyfarthe
biggestthingthatkeepsmechubbierthanI'dliketobe.
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[] throthisway 9points

'I'mgladnoonestalkingaboutFPHon/r/fit!'
'IshouldprobablytalkaboutFPHon/r/fit'
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[] thebrainypole undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

NoonefromFPHwouldhateonafattyactivelytryingtoloseweight.Onlythosethathaveamindsetof"it'sokayto
befatandencourageotherstobefatandIhavegenetics"
ItfeelslikeIwantedtosaymorebutIdon'thaveanythingtoaddreally
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[] sinndogg2 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

NoonefromFPHwouldhateonafattyactivelytryingtoloseweight.
ExceptforthefactthatthereAREcaseswherethishappened.
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[] ron_manager undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

NoonefromFPHwouldhateonafattyactivelytryingtoloseweight
Absolutely100%wrong,theywereactivelyspamming/r/progresspicswithabuse,asubentirelydedicatedtofat
peopletryingtoloseweight.
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[] _weed 8points

imaginespendingtimeinacommunitycompletelydedicatedtohatingonanything
plentyofthingsareworthyofskepticismand/orcriticismbutwhenyourcommunityormovementselfdescribesas
'hate'thenyouneedtosincerelyreevaluatewhatyourgoalsareandhowyou'rehopingtoaccomplishthem.
alsoyouhavenorightto'freespeech'onaaprivatecompany'sserverlmao
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[] kinkakinka 4points

Ithinkthebiggestissueisthatmostofthemembersprobablyhaveabitofinternalizedhate.Theyhavetohateon
others,foranyreason,tomakethemselvesfeelbetter.Iusedtobereallybadforthatmyselfbutinrecentyears
havebecomeahappier,andmuchlessangryperson.
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[] Aethe 60points

Becausethefitnesssubislockedtoselfposts.AndithasbeenknownforalongtimethatthetypicalFPHuserisn'tfit
atall,andprobablynotallthathealthyincomparisontothosetheyimposejudgementon.There'sbasicallynothing
forthemhere.
Idon'treallywanttoelaborateherebecauseitisn'tfitnessrelated,butwhatyou'reseeingonthefrontpageright
nowisn'tjustaboutoverweightorobesepeople.Therearealotofpeopleusingthissitewhobelievehatespeechis
genuinelyokayanddeservestobeprotected.Itisnot,anditdoesnot.Hatespeechisneverokay.
Partofbecomingaphysicallyfitindividualinvolvesacertainamountofmentalfitness.Veryfewofusgotintofitness
andmagicallyhadthedisciplineofanathleteorlifelongbodybuilder.Maintainingahealthymindisasimportantas
maintainingahealthybody.Lookatr/allrightnow,orlikelyatanypointtoday,andaskyourselvesifthat'sthekind
ofbehaviorthatpromotesahealthymind.Itisn't.Notbyalongshot.
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[] cherrybomb921 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Nailmeethammer.
Mentalhealthisjustasimportantasphysicalhealth.AnyonethatwouldspendtimeinaplacelikeFPHhaspoor
mentalhealth,period.
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[] AL_DENTE_OR_NOTHING undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

FPHpeopleareunhealthymentallyandmanyofthemaresmokersanddon'texercise.Hypocrisyintheformofanger.
permalink
[] N_Raist 3points

ThetypicalFPHuserisverified,whichmeansbeingfitor,atleast,inahealthyweight.
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[] thisismy20 2points

Censorshiponredditcanquicklybecomeaslipperyslope.Theissuewasthat/r/fatpeoplehateandthoseother
subredditswerereportedforoffensivecontentandattackingothersubreddits.Theadminsbecameawareofthisby
gatheringreportsfromotherusers.Whathappenswhensomeonegetsreallyoffendedherein/r/fitnessandspam
reportsthesubredditforoffensivecontentandusersattackingusers?Theissueisnotdefendinghatespeech,its
defendingFREESPEECH.Yougottatakethebadwiththegoodandthatswhatfreespeechreallyis.Youwantthe
abilitytocomplainaboutthemodsoradmins?Wellthatsyourrighttodoso,butinacensoredcommunity,youmight
nothavethatrightanymore.Again,notdefending/r/fatpeoplehatebutwhenthissitestartsslidingdownthatslopeit
willquicklygofromcleaningupthecanceroussubreddits,tocleaningoutanyandalloffensivecontentinanyshape
orform.
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[] Aethe 3points

Again,notdefending/r/fatpeoplehatebutwhenthissitestartsslidingdownthatslopeitwillquicklygofrom
cleaningupthecanceroussubreddits,tocleaningoutanyandalloffensivecontentinanyshapeorform.
Asitshould.
Theideaofanabsolutefreespeechzoneisrubbish.Theideareceiveszerotractioninreality,andyetthe
overwhelmingmajorityofpeopleonthisplanetdonotliveinapolicestate,whichmeansthingsevenoutatsome
point.
Ithinkit'shighpastthepointwherewetakethatrisk.We'vebeendoingtheoppositeforyears,andhereweare.You
can'tgointoathreadonr/videos,r/worldnews,r/news,r/politics,orr/picsandbeconfidentyouwon'treadsome
horriblyvilecommentaboutsomething.Isthatreallythesiteyouwanttobookmark?I'mprettysickofit.
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Soyouareokwiththeideathatr/fitnesscouldbeoneofthosebannedsubredditsdowntheline?Ortheideathatif
youdisagreewithapopularopinionyouyourselfcouldbebanned?WhenisaythisImeanwhenwe'vecometothe
pointthatifyoutellsomeonethatbeing200lbsoverweightisnothealthyyouwouldbeoffendingthem,givingthem
reasontoreportandcensoryou.Becausethat'snotthesiteIwanttobookmark.Idon'tagreewithwhatthe
offenderssaybutIdamnsuresupporttheirrighttosayit.
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[] Aethe undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Soyouareokwiththeideathatr/fitnesscouldbeoneofthosebannedsubredditsdowntheline?
Yeah,youacceptthegoodwiththebad,eveninscenariosofoverthyperbole.
Idon'tknowwhythere'sthisillusionthatit'ssomehowokaytoactawfulonline.Theinternetisessentiallyamirrorof
therealworldnow,andhasbeenforatleastfiveyears,butmorelikelyfifteen.Themostlyhomogeneoussecretclub
internetofthe90'sisgone.TensofmillionsofpeopleuseRedditalone,andbillionsofpeopleareonlineworldwide.
Youhaveaspectrumofpeopleandculturesandopinionstheworldoveritisn'treallyanydifferentfrombeingina
citycenter.
Exceptrealityisgroundedinlaws.Iknowit'sfuntopretendthattheinternetisstillthewildwest,butitisn't.Actions
haveconsequences.Allactions.That'swhyyou'rereadingmorearticlesaboutpeoplegettingintroublewiththelaw
fortheiractionsonline.AlotofpeoplewantedtheideaofReddit'sutopiaoffreespeechtosucceed,butitclearly

hasn'tbecausehatefulandvindictivepeoplehavetakenadvantageofabnormallylaxadministrativelawstousethis
siteasasafehavenfortheircommunities.Ifyou'regoingtoharasspeople,abusepeople,andbeoverallawfulto
people,thenyou'regoingtofaceconsequences.
Inyourworld,thismightbeaslipperyslopefornonthreateningsubstobebanned,butintherealworldthatdoesn't
happenbecauser/fitnessisn'tfilledwithawfulactingpeople.Itwouldtakeseriouscommunityrestructuringforthatto
happen,thelikesofwhichisn'tgoingtohappenbecauser/fitnesshasalreadytakentremendousstepstowards
creatinganacceptingenvironment.
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[] GracefulxArcher 2points

What'sgoingonwith/r/allisn'twhatfatpeoplehatewasthough.Now,it'smostlyjustaggressiontowardstheadmins.
Alotofpeoplemistakefatpeoplehateforaplacewherefatpeopleshouldgotoloseweight.It'snot.It'saplacefor
peoplewhoareannoyedatsomeonewhowasmorbidlyobese,becausetheirobesityinconveniencedthemorothers.
Itparticularlyhatesparentsofobesechildren,forexample.
Thissubisaboutgettingfit.Peoplecomeheretochangetheirlifestyle.Peoplewenttofatpeoplehatetorant.
Especiallysince/r/offmychestbannedfatpeoplehatestyleposts.Theydidn'tgotheretogetfit.
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[] N_Raist 3points

This.IlikehavingaplacewhereIcancomplainabouycertainpeopleIfinddisgustingorirritatesme,justlikepeople
herecomplainabouttheguydoingcurlsinthesquatrack.Evenifit'snotwhenyouneedtodosquats,youfindthat
behaviorwrong.
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[] GracefulxArcher 4points

What'smore,hatespeechcanonlybedoneagainstsomeonewhohasaprotectedstatus.Thosecallingithatespeech
areadmittingthatbeingfatisaprotectedstatus...Whichisjustabsurd.
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[] RadioactiveCashew undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Hatespeechisjustthat.Hatefulspeech.Itcanbeaboutliterallyanyone,andthere'sneveranyreasontospewhatred
atsomeoneelse.Idon'tgetwhysomanypeoplearesoupsetaboutredditsaying"nomoreharassment".Itshouldn't
havetobesaid.
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[] GracefulxArcher undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Peoplehateforplentyofgoodreasons.Butwhetherornotyouthinkhatredisagoodemotionshouldn'tdictate
whetherornotpeopleshouldbeallowedtofeelit.Iagreewithyouthathatredisabadthing,butit'sanatural
emotionandpretendingitdoesn'texististheworstthingyoucando.
FromWikipedia
Inlaw,hatespeechisanyspeech,gestureorconduct,writing,ordisplaywhichisforbiddenbecauseitmayincite
violenceorprejudicialactionagainstorbyaprotectedindividualorgroup,orbecauseitdisparagesorintimidatesa
protectedindividualorgroup.
Hatefulspeech=/=hatespeech.Confusingthetwoiscommon,butnotgroundsforsilencinghundredsofthousands
ofindividuals.
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[] therealjohnfreeman 1points

Ithinkthere'sanumberofpeopleupsetthattherulesarebeingappliedselectively,thatsomehatespeechisokayif
it'sagainstapprovedtargets.
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[] enrichmentonly undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Itwasn'tbannedbecauseofhatespeech.
Itwasbannedbecauseitaggressivelyharassedindividuals.
Iwasthevictimofsuchharassmentaboutsixweeksago.
Iftheother'bad'subspeoplecalledoutconstantlyPM'dpeopleencouragingthemtocommitsuicide,thentheywould
likelybebannedtoo.
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[] Aethe 7points

Look,thisreallydoesn'tbelonginfittit,butwhat'shappeningnowshouldhavehappenedoverfiveyearsagoatleast,
ifnotwhencommentswereoriginallyintroducedaspartofReddit.
Ihopetheadminskeepgoing,butthere'stoomuchforanysmallteamofadministrationtotakedown.Pastand
presentcaretakersofthissitehave,whetherornotthey'verealizedit,builttheperfectgroundsformisguided,
hateful,andvehementspeechtofester.
LikeIsaid,itisn'thealthy.Hating,gettingangry,wishingharm,andpropagatingideasoffalseclaimsofsuperiority
arenothowyoumaintainahealthyandopenmind.Andyeah,youcanmakesomeverycynicalinferencesoffofthat
statement,butI'llchoosenotto.
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[] therealjohnfreeman undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Hatespeechisn'tmymodusoperandieither,beforeyoujumptoconclusions.Reddit,underAlexisatleast,triedand
succeededinbuildingareputationasaplacethatallowednearlyunfetteredspeech,evenoffensive,hatefulspeech,
becausetheybelieveditresultedinmoregoodthanharm.Nowthatreputationhasbeenconsistentlyunderminedat
leastsinceEllenPaotookover.Ithinkthere'sreasonablefrustrationoverthat.
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[] kinkakinka 8points

This.Youare100%right.
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[] CrankRED 3points

ichangedmyredditbookmarkfrom/allto/fronttillthisblowsover.
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[] jredlinger2003 2points

Everyonedeservesachancetopushthemselves.Youseeaproblemandyouwanttofixit.Thatishumanshadetree
engineering.Iapplaudfattiesinthegymbctheyareattemptingtomakeitbetteranddifferentforthemselves.I
wonderhowtomotivatepeopletoeatrightandworkoutwhenthecurrentsystemmakesitsoconvenientandcheap
toeatawfullyandbingewatchseasonsoftvshows.
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[] nuetrino 3points

There'scurrentlytrollsplaguingReddit.
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[] SteakMarsala 3points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thatsubwasmoreabouttheoverweightpeoplewhodon'trealizethat"fatacceptance"isn'taboutsexappeal,but
aboutpromotingamedicaldiseaseinepidemic.Thetypesofpeoplewhoblametheworldinsteadoftakingaction.
150kmembers,asiwasone,nevertrolledinothersubs.Idorecall"fatacceptance"trollsplaythesamegameinthat
sub.
thedifferenceisonlyonesidecomplained,thesidethatplaceblame.
havingsaidthat,fatshamingdoesn'tupsetpeoplewhotrulywatchtheirweightorhaveundergonetrainingforagood
portionoftheirlives,especiallyincollegesports.tellmeyouhaven'tgonetothegymwhenyoudidn't"feel"likeit?
tellmeyouhaven'tcursedyourselfoutatonepointoranotherfinishingsetsorrunningthatlastmile?itdoesn't
botherme,itremindsmetogetbackontracknomatterhowmuchselfmasochismihavetoloathemyselfwith.
itonlypissesoffthosewho,again,blametheworldfortheirlackofdisciplineandsacrifice,andwonderwhytheir
resultsareastheyare.
soasanathleticindividual,ihavetobecarefulofwhatisayinfrontofthosewhowillripmyheadoff,meanwhileitis
normalintheactiveworld.
it'ssoobvioushownastythatparticularattitudeis.
ifyoureadintothatsubmore,youwouldhaverealizingthatthemajoritywerefrustratedwiththehealthexcuses
peopleselfdiagnosethemselveswith,manyofwhichwerecausedbytheobesity.taxpayersfoottheirmedicaland
disabilitybills.
thesatirewasextremeattimes,butthebottomlineformanywasthatitisanobviouspublichealthissue.
theapproachwaspoliticallyincorrectmanytimesaswell.
afewrottenapplesgotitbannedwhichisstupidbecauseitwasn'tonesidedprovocation,andnoteveryonecaredto
arguebetweeneachother.trollsdon'tbothermeandsadly,theyaregivenpowerbythevulnerable.
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[] tototiti42 0points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Peopleenjoybeingcruel,thatsthesadtruth.Theyalsoenjoybeingnice,iguessitsthatyingyangthing...
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[] Yonzy 0points

Idon'tthinkmostoftheoutrageisbecausepeoplelosttheirplacetohateonfatpeopleit'smostlybecausepeople
feelthisisahamfistedmovetocurtailwhatyoucanandcannotsayonreddit.
Inalotofpeople'smindsredditusedtobeaplatformwhereallvoiceswereheardandthatwaspartoftheappeal.
Thisrecentsafespacepolicyisworrisome.IfIdon'tlikeasubredditIdon'tsubscribetoit.
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[] AndG3o 1point

Iabsolutelyagree,however,Ithinkthatcensoringpeopleiswrongnomatterwhattheysay.Iwillsupportfree
speechevenifthepersonistalkingbullshit.
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[] TheFryingDutchman 11points

Thankyou.Ifinditsickeningthatthepeoplewhoareflooding/r/allarepretendingthatthe'fatpeoplehate'subandits
progenyareabouteducationandhelpingpeople.No,theylovekickingpeoplewhenthey'redown.Thisistheonline
versionoftormentingthatfat/nerdy/ugly/weirdkidinmiddleschool.
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[] zppa 56points

It'snotafatpersoninthegym,it'saperson.Respectgoesalongway
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[] FuckFemenazi undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Butwhentheystartimposingthatobesityishealthyitsdifferentright?itsthesameasshamingsomeonethatis
advocatingheroineuse
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[] broner4brady 4points

Ithinkthatingeneralfatpeoplehatewasaboutpeoplebeingupsetabouthealthateverysizeasaculturaltrend.
Thesepeoplehadnoproperoutlettofindasolutiontothisproblemandsotheymadejokesandgotkindamean.Fat
peopleshouldnotbehatedbuttheyalsoshouldn'tbelookedatashealthy.Obesityisaseriousprobleminthis
countryandisdegradingthelivesofmanyaswellasrobbingthisworldoftrulygoodpeoplewhoarebrothers,
sisters,mothers,andfathers.Hatingisnotthewaytohelpthisproblembutneitherisacceptingpeopleasbeingfat
eventhoughtheyshouldstillberespectedasaperson.Iwouldlikeeveryonetoconstantlybeworkingtowardstheir
ownphysicalandmentalhealthandwishsocietycouldformasupportivestructuretohelppeopleloseweight.Idon't
havegrandparentsanymoreduetotheircomplicationswithdiabetesandI'monly23.Healthateverysizeisa
problem.Fatpeoplehateisaproblem.Weshouldallbeworkingtogethertofindthesolutionsothatthenext
generationwillnotbedeprivedofgrowingoldwiththeirlovedones.
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[] MissAugusta 36points

Reddithasactuallydisgustedmetoday.PeopleareactuallytryingtosmearEllenPaofortakingawaytheirrightto
bullypeople.It'sshamefulandrevoltingandI'mgladthereareoneortwopositivethreadslikethisoneamongthe
torrentofhate.
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[] mentionthistome undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ifeltdisgustedtoo.Youconstantlyseethe"Welp,that'senoughRedditfortoday"joke,butyesterdaywasthefirst
timeIactuallynavigatedtothissitewiththeintentionofspendingtimeonit,readsomething,andclosedthetabasa
reactiontowhatIsaw.
IunderstandthedangersofobesityandIunderstandwantingfreedomofexpression.Butthesheervolumeofpeople
upvotingridiculous,aggressive,maliciousattacksonthe"fat"(?)modswassodisheartening.
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[] I3ombastic undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

TILlaughingaboutanonymouspicturesoffatpeopleonasmallprivateforum=bullying
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[] Im_a_fuckin_asshole undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ithinkwhatalotofpeopleareworriedaboutisn'tthefactthatthehategroupsgotremoved,butthatRedditcan
decidewhatisandisn'tallowedanymore.Assomeonewhohasalotof(legal)fetishesthatsocietyatlargeprobably
seesasfuckedup,Ihavetowonderifthesubredditsforthosecommunitiesarealsoatriskofbeingdeleted.
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[] scotty_pimmpen undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Seriously.ItwouldbegreatifallofthosepeoplecomplainingandtalkingaboutleavingRedditactuallydid.
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[] Earl_of_sandwiches 5points

Don'tfeelbad,OP.Everyonehas"completelymissedthegoddamnpoint"onceortwicebefore.
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[] ninnikubou 0points

Onceagain/r/fitnessisapparentlybetterthaneveryoneelse.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/comments/3972to?sort=confidence
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[] clawz_nd_webz 1point

IamnotproFPHatall,butIamantiHAES.It'sareallyreallyterriblewayofthinkingthatCANpromoteunhealthy
lifestyles.
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[] sciuridae_ 5points

Igetwhereyou'recomingfrombutIpersonallydisagree.There'salotofidiotswhohavegotthewrongendofthe
stickbutfromwhatI'veseenHAESissupposedtobemorealongthelinesof"beingskinnydoesn'tnecessarilymean
you'rehealthierthananoverweightperson,andviceversa"andfocusingonselfimprovementwhilemakinganeffort
toloveyourbodyeverystepoftheway.(Eg.Hypothetically,askinnypersoncanbeunhealthierthanaslightly
overweightpersoniftheoverweightpersonhasamostlyhealthylifestylebuteatstoomuchchocolatewhilethe
skinnypersondoesn'texercise,smokes,drinks,andeatsnothingbutnutrientpoorsaltycrap.)
Ortoputitsimply,"youCANmakeanefforttofollowahealthylifestyle,nomatterwhatyoursize"ratherthan
"morbidlyobesepeopleare100%healthyandyoucan'ttellmeanydifferentLALALALALA"
Personallythatwayofthinkinghelpedmealot.I'veneverbeenfatbutafewyearsagoIdidgofromhavingaBMI
slapbanginthemiddleofthe'healthyweight'rangetoaBMIattheupperendofthatsamerange.Idevelopedan
unhealthybodyimageandacomplicatedrelationshipwithfoodthatwouldseemestandinginmyuniversity'sstudent
shopwantingtobuysomethingforlunchbutbeingparalysedbytheconflictingdesirestoeatandtostarvemyself.
Learningtolovemyselfandrecognisingthatmyweightdidn'tneccessarilyhavetodefinemyselfworth,whetherI
wasbeautifulornot,ormyoverallfitnesswasinstrumentalinlettinggooftheviciouscycleIwastrappedin.Istarted
runningforfun,eventhoughIwascrapatfirst,becauseIloveditanditmademefeelgreat.Istartedeatingbetter
andchoosinghealthierrevisionsnacksformylatenightlibrarysessions.IstoppedbeatingmyselfupifIate
something"unhealthy"andIstoppedpokingatandobsessingover"flab"inthemirror.
BasicallyIlivedahealthylifestylebecauseIwantedtobehealthy,nomatterifIlostweightornot,which
(unsurprisingly)leadtomelosingweight.:)
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[] clawz_nd_webz undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Right,HAESissupposedtobethatway.IthinkthattheproperHAESisgood.Theproblemisthatpeopleare
pervertingHAESandit'sturningintosomethingthatisanegative.Peoplearegenuinelybelievingthattheycanbe
morbidlyobeseanditisahealthylifestylebecauseoftheHAESmentality.
IthinkthatFPHmentalitywasabsurd.TothinkthatEVERYONEhadtobewithinthe"Healthy"BMIzoneisridiculous.
There'snothingwrongwithalittlecushionandpromotingHAESasalright.Myproblemisthatwiththemorbidlyobese
whoaretellingpeoplethatit'sokaytobethatbigandthattheirDoctorsadvicetoloseweightiswrong.That'smy
problem.
Everyonehasachoicetodowhatevertheywantwiththeirbodies,butdon'ttrytoconvincepeoplethatitishealthy
tohaveatrulyunhealthylifestyle.You'renolongerjusteffectingyourbody.You'retryingtoeffectothersnowas

wellandnotinapositiveway.
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[] gduncan229 1point

I'malsoaformerfatguy,andhonestlyIwashappyforalongtimebeingoverweight.Ididn'thaveanyhealth
problems,andIcoulddoeverythingIwantedto.ButthenonedayIchanged.Iwon'tgointothestory,butitwasone
ofthefirsttimesIfeltfat.SoIlostit.Iwentfrombeing5'11"at280lbto156lb,whichatthatweightformewas
sickly,butIwasdeterminedtoloseweight.AfteracoupleofyearsI'mnowhealthier.I'maround190lb,butevento
thisday.I'mtryingtodomyfirstbulkandit'sbeenhardbecausewhileI'mbetterIstillfearthefatattimesand
stumblebacktomyoldways.SoIthinkshamingoverweightpeopleisjustwrong.Ifanythingtheyshouldbe
encouraged.There'sacoupleofoverweightpeopleatmygymandmostofthemaretherewheneverIamandthey
stayjustaslongasIdo.Tomethey'redoinggreatbecausetheyhaven'tgivenup.Eveniftheydon'tloseweight
theirbodiesarebetterforit.NowIknowsomethathavekindofgivenup.Theywillcomplainthattheycan'tdo
somethingbecausesomethingpreventsthem.Ithinkthesepeopleshouldbeencouragedtoo.WhenIwasoverweight
Icouldn'trunbecausemykneesbuggedme.LastyearIranahalfmarathonandmykneeswerefinebythetimeI
wasdone.Encouragementisthebestapproachoverall.Shamingjustleadstopeopleeithergivingupbecausethey
getbeatendone,orlikeformecausesthemtostrugglewithbeingahealthyweight.
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[] Sith_Gains 1point

Idon'tthinkbeingfatishealthybutIbelieveit'sapersonalchoiceinalotofways.
Ithappenstolotsofpeoplebutreallypeopleletithappentothem.
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[] BitCY 1point

Lookingatpeoplewhopostherewhobecomehalfthesizetheywerewithdietandexerciseisamazingtoseeandi
justhavemadrespectforthem.
Peoplewhojustblameeverythingelsefortheirweight.Thoseihavenorespect.
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[] moiez326 4points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Firstoff,youdontknowwhatfphisallabout.Fphwasandisntabouthatingpeople,itshatingthewholeideaoffat
acceptanceandpraising.Youdactuallybesurprisedhowwelcomingandsupportiveandknowledgeablefphmembers
are.
Second,likewhateveryonehassaid:sometimes,hateisexactlywhatyouneedtoopenyoureyes.Sometimesyou
needtoheartheuglytruth.
Itsliketellingastupidperson:heyithinkyoushould,maybe,idk,pickupabookonceinawhile?Butthatwonthelp.
Instead,youhavetoshowthemhowfuckingstupidandillinformedtheyreallyareandhowitsfuckinguptheirand
everyoneelse'slife.
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[] mhende 1point

Somepeoplelikehavinganoutlettobemean,andpretendingthatitishelpfulmakesyoufeelbetteraboutit.It
mighthelpsomepeople,butitsprettywellestablishedthatdifferentpeoplearemotivatedanddiscouragedby
differentthings.
Ifyouarealloverredditpreachingfatacceptance,orifyou'repostingfatpeoplehatetotryamdcounteractthat...I
meanbothmakesyoukindofaweirdotome.Whyisitsohardtojustbenormalandnotbeaninternetnutjob?
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[] Kivla 5points

Don'tbenaive.FPHwaspurelyhatingonobeseandoverweightpeoplebasedonhowtheylooked.Thehatredthat
spewedfromthatsubreddithadnothingtodowithfatacceptance.Theuserswoulduploadpicsfrompeople'sFBs
andsayshitlikeHAHALOOKATDATLANDWHALE.
Yeah.Totallyhatingonfatacceptance.
Alsoforacommunitythatissupposedtobeso"welcoming"and"supportive"theysuredidn'tactlikeit.Modsatthat
subweremorethanhappytobanpeoplethatwerefatorweredeemedfatsympathisers.Theusersofthesub
celebratedwhenithappenedandthenwouldinsulttheuser.Suchawelcomingcommunityrightthere.
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[] jorge1213 2points

I'veneverjudgedasinglefatpersonatthegym.ButIhatethefattyoutsidethegymdoingnothingtoimprovehis
wellbeing.
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[] chiroquesvistunoque undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Hambeastsstrikeback!
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[] MythicalBlackFox 2points

itssadthatbeingfatgetsyoujudgedsoquickly.BothmybrotherandIgainweightveryeasily,sowetendtogain
andtrylosingweightoverandover.It'snoteasy,butwhoamitocomplain,ithasgivenmediscipline.Icanassure
everyonewhohasntbeenoverweightthatnooneenjoyslookinglikethat.It'sabouttimeforpeopletorespectthose
whoareputtingefforttobetterthemselves.
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[] Bookkeep 9points

Fitnessisalready,bydefinition,fatpeoplehatethough.
it'sjustfatpeoplehatingthemselvesandwantingtochange.
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[] Pxorp 3points

Somepeopleneedtofeelashamedoftheirbodytochangesomething.PartofwhyAmericansaresofatisbecauseit
hasbecomenormal,noonebatsaneyeifafattywalksby.
FPH'spurposewastogoagainstthisfatacceptancemovementwhichtotallymakessense.Mostofthecontentwas
purebullying,though.Ikindalikedvisitingitforthelaughs,thepicturewerepuregoldsometimes.
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[] oneandoneis2 4points

wonderingwhattheotherpeopleinthegymarethinkingaboutyou
Actually,IME,theanswertothatisneither"goodonya"OR"scum"it's"they'renotthinkingaboutyou".
IrememberwhenIfirststartedbackatthegymcomingfromtheotherextremeofskinandbonesweaklingwho
wasgenuinelyworriedabouttryingtoliftabarbellbar,nevermindputtingweightonit.IdeliberatelychoseatimeI
wasprettysuretheplacewouldbenearemptyandstillstruggledwiththe"everyoneislookingatme/judging
me/mockingme"fears.
AfewworkoutslaterandIrealisedthatwhenIwasinaworkout,otherpeoplebarelyevenregisteredasexistingat
all,nevermindmakingitfarenoughintomyconsciousnesstojudgethem.

Unlessyou'reusingthepieceofequipmentIwanttousenext,youcansafelyassumethatnotonlyamInotjudging
you,I'mnotevenreallyawareofyouatall.(AndifyouAREhoggingtheequipmentIwant,notonlyamIawareof
youbutIhateyouwiththeheatofathousandsunsregardlessofyourbuild)
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[] iiuybr 2points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

It'sbecausethebanned/r/fatpeoplehate...
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[] space_wine 9points

https://i.imgur.com/foATDvf.jpg
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[] xmikelopez 2points

Sooppressed
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[] PrometheusIsFree 6points

There'salotoffitpeoplewhousedtobefat.Mostareinheretohelpnotabuse.
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[] SteakMarsala 6points

fatshamingdoesn'tbelonghere,ofcourse.
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[] Galahad_Lancelot 4points

FUCKYES!Hatingandinsultingdoesnothingtohelpandit'sfuckingpathetic.thankyousir.
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[] Heuristics 1point

Istarteddoingfitnessinpartduetoridicule.Itdoeshelp.
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[] vallsin 2points

thanksmanthelastlinereallyhelpedmedragmyasstothegymtoday...
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[] rubbishmyjunk 0points

That'snotthepoint.Thepointisthatthey'vebacktrackedonholdingfreespeechinthehighestregard.Illideaswill
bebeatdowninthecourtofpublicopinion.Censorshipistheultimatecowardice.
IknowIsoundlikearetardtryingtosoundlikearevolutionaryoverbeingabletolaughatfatties,butcomeon.
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[] Kivla 7points

BlahblahblahandFPHmodsactivelybannedanyoneforbeingfatorafatsympathiser.Wherewastheoutragewhen
theycensoreddissentingopinionsintheirsub?
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[] misterTaco 8points

FPHissuperbutthurtaboutbeingcensored,yettheywouldbanliterallyanyonethatdidntjumponthecirclejerk.
Anyonethatdisagreedatallgotbanned.
Biggestdamngroupofhypocritesever.

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[] elpachucasunrise 7points

Therighttofreespeechdoesn'tmeanrighttostalkandharass.
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[] Chibiheaven 10points

IfI'vereadcorrectly,peopleactivelywentoutoftheirwaytostalkredditorswho'vepostedpicsofthemselves,and
thenshamingthem.Howisthatokay?Wouldyouwanttobecalledout?
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[] Tarmairon 10points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Howdoesbanningthesub,whichdidn'tencouragethatbehaviorbtw,changethat?Theusersarestilloutthere,and
nowtheyknowtheyrustledlejimmes.It'sjustaPRmovetoshowthatredditis"takingsteps"tomakeitasafe
place.
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[] misterTaco 4points

Ifthesuballowedittohappen(itdid)andthosetypesofpostsgotupvoted(theydid)howisthatnotencouraging
thattypeofbehavior?
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[] 10week 16points

Iwasgladtoseenoneofthatbullshitheretillthispost...
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[] angst_angst_angst undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Honestly.
"I'mreallygladwe'renottalkingaboutfatpeoplehate,solet'screateathreadwherepeoplecanargueaboutwhether
fatshamingworksornot."
Okayguys.
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[] Absolvo_Me 2points

Ijustwanttobringittoattentionthatthe'fatpeoplehate'here(immostlyreferringtothe/r/fatpeoplestoriesthat
makethefrontpage)doesnotapplytooverweightpeopleingeneral.Itappliestotheentitledlazyfatpeoplethat
makeourlivesmiserable.Asaruleofthumb,ifyoureplacetheword'fat'with/anyotherslurofyourchoiceandstill
readthestory,thenitisjustaboutanassholeingeneral.
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[] King_Kydos 23points

Everysanepersonknowsthathatingpeopledoesn'thelpthem
Withouttryingtogetprovokeabigdebate,alotofthehateisactuallydirectedatpeoplewhotrytojustifytheir
weight,trytoclaimthatthey'rehealthydespitemedicalexpertssayingotherwiseandactuallytrytoputnormalsized
peopledownforbowingtosociety'sstandards.Allinthisisknownasthe"fatacceptancemovement"
Ipersonallyhaven'tgotanyproblemwithpeoplewhoareoverweightandwouldn'tdreamoflookingdownonafat
personatthegym,butpeoplewhotrytopropagateliesandclaimthatbeing5'5"and19stoneis"beautifuland
healthy"makemeangry.ObesityisbecominganinsaneprobleminmanypartsoftheworldandIdon'twantchildren
seeingpeoplelikeTessMunstersayingthatitiscompletelyhealthyandacceptabletobehersizewhenallthescience
saysitisnothealthy.

ObviouslysomeofthestuffonFPHwasoverthetop,vitriolicgarbagebutIpersonallyfindfatacceptancejustas
offensiveasthebadstuffonFPH,it'swrongforonlyonesideofthisargumenttobesilencedlikeitwas.
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[] captnyoss 8points

IwasbrieflysubscribedandIenjoyedthepostswherepeopleposteddumbthingsoverweightpeoplehadsaidabout
fitnessorwhytheywerefat.Butthenthesubfilledwithpostsofoverweightpeopledoingtotallynormalthingsand
gettingviciouslyattackedforbeingfatanditwasn'tfunitwasjustoverthetopbullying.
SoIwhileIguessthere'sanargumentaboutfreedomofspeechorwhatever,Ipersonallyamgladtohave
unsubscribed.
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[] Kivla 39points

Butfatacceptancewastackledinothersubslike/r/fatlogic.FPHdidn'tspecificallygoafterHAESpeople.Theusersof
thattoxicsubwouldtakephotosofrandompeopleinpublicthensharethemaroundforthousandsofuserstolaugh
atandinsultthepicturedindividual.Wannaknowhowmanyofthosepeopleevenknewaboutfatacceptance?Barely
fuckinganyIbet.Idon'tevenhearaboutFAoutsideofredditorscomplainingaboutit.It'snotthismassive
movementthatredditproclaimsittobeandsayingthatFPHonlytargetedpeopleassociatedwiththatmovementis
downrightignorantandstraightupalie.
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[] King_Kydos 1point[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

sayingthatFPHonlytargetedpeopleassociatedwiththatmovementisdownrightignorantandstraightupalie.
LuckyformeIwentoutofmywaynottosaythat,infactIsaid>someofthestuffonFPHwasoverthetop,vitriolic
garbage
ButalargeproportionofthepostsweredirectedatthelikesofMunsterandother"plussizemodels"whoare
advocatinganunhealthywayoflifeandI'mallforthatsortofcriticism.TessMunsterhas846kfollowerson
Instagramsoit'ssafetosayFAexistsoutsideofreddit,Ithink.
Andjusttoreiteratemystanceoverall,Idon'tcondoneeverythingFPHusedtodobutIthinkitiswrongthatitwas
justsilencedlikeitwas.
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[] Kivla 5points

Fairenough,youdidn'tsayonlytargetedfatacceptanceetc.Imisquoted.Butyoudidsaythatmostofthehatewas
targetedatthatmovement.Istillthinkthatiswrong.Istandbymypreviousstatement.Thatsubredditwasnothing
butbullyingpeopleforthewaytheylooked.
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[] King_Kydos 1point

Honestly,wheneverIwentonit,TessMunsterwasineverysecondpost.Maybeitdegeneratedalotmoretowards
'theend'(whichwouldn'tsurpriseme,mostsubredditsdegeneraterapidlyastheygainpopularity),butIthink
banningwastooharsh,therearefarfarworsesubredditsoutthere.Itsmacksofbowingtopublicpressuretome
becauseitwasoneofthemorepopularoffensivesubs.There'salsonoexplanationforwhynewersubredditsare
beingbannedwhentheycan'tpossiblyhavebrokenanyrulesyet.
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[] Unbrokenspirit 4points

Fromsomeonewholost75lbs,Ihaveseenbothsidesofthecoin.Hatinganyoneforasimpleandnondiscriminatory

reasonisutterbullshitanditsaysmoreaboutyouthanitdoesabouttheissue.FatpeoplehatefromwhatI'veseen
seemstobemorelikeasociallyacceptedformofbullying.NottosayitexistseverywhereofissomethingIwantto
participatein,butitexistsnonetheless.
Thatbeingsaid,everytimeIgointhegymIhaveoneoftwothoughts.IseeoverweightpeopleinthegymandI
eitherthink,a)goodonyou,you'reasmallpercentageofthepopulationofoverweightpeoplewhoareDOING
somethingaboutit.Orb)Iseeinmygymmanyoverweightpeoplesignupandcomeforamonth,slowlysittingon
anexcercisebikeandbarelypedalingwhilereadingamagazine.WhileIhavemadethetransformationmyselfandit
thereforegivesmeaslightbias,Iknowthestruggle.
Iapplaudeverysingleoverweightpersonmakingtheattempttoloseweightbyexcercise.Dietsoftenfail,butbuilding
alifestyleofcommitmentandhabittrulyhelptobreakthemonotonythatbroughtthemtothestatetheyareininthe
firstplace.Nobodyshouldhateonfatpeopleunlessit'sforasolidreason,likeifthey'rebeinganasshole.Ifsomeone
isnice,greatthemnicely.Ididn'tgainanyconfidenceuntilIstartedconsistentlyworkingoutandtransformingmy
body.I'mstillfarfromperfect,butperspectiveisamotherfuckerandIknowwhatI'vegonethroughtogethereand
I'llbedamnedifIletanyonetakethatawayfromme.
It'sashamethatpeoplewouldratherhateonfatpeopleforfuninsteadofprovideguidelinesandencouragementto
helptransformboththeirhealthandlifeoutlook.
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[] AstroWarriorPitPot 3points

uwotm8
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[] gkoogz undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Fatpeopledeservetobehatedforeverythingtheirfuckingpigmouthsandsocietalburdenareworth
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[] TOSH2345 2points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Andifyouareafatpersonreadingthispostwhoiswonderingwhattheotherpeopleinthegymarethinkingabout
you,itisnotallthisbollocksbeingpostedonthissite.IthinkIcanspeakonbehalfofmostofusinthissubwhenI
saythatuponseeingafatpersoninthegymIthink'fuckinggoodonyamate'not'errryouarescum'.
Ithinkasagroupgymgoersaretheleastlikelytohateuponfatpeopleinthegym.Peoplewhoareintofitnessall
sharesimilarcorevaluesinparticularselfimprovementandinnerdrive,
Whetheryou'refat,thin,old,young,havesomedisability,fit/unfitthefactyou'reinthegymshowsthatyouhave
thesecommongoals.Forallitsposturingandvanitythegymisactuallyaveryinclusiveplacebecauseofthis.
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[] barakvesh 7points

ITY:"shamingfatpeopleisokay,really"
Disappointing,/r/fitness
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[] BlakesDonger 1points

Itisokayinsomecases.Somefatpeoplemaywanttochangeifyoutellthemthattheyneedtoeathealthier,onthe
otherhandsomefatpeoplemaywanttochangeifyoucallthemafatbagofshitwho'sgonnadiebeforehereaches
60.
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[] barakvesh 5points

Ithinkthe"don'tbeanasshole"liferuleappliestointeractingwithfatpeopletoo
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[] MonkeyMercenaryCapt 15points

Iknowright:(fatpeoplehatewentfarbeyondfatshamingitwasliterallyaboarddedicatedtotheabsolutehatredof
fatpeople.Itsliketakingthetenantsofantisemitismandapplyingittofatpeople.
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[] yoshi314 0points

youkeepreferringtofatpeoplewhoarewillingtochange.
thereareplentyofpeoplesubscribedtoHAESlogic,whichseesucheffortsas"shaming",andclaimthattheyare
healthy.theyrefusetobeeducated,theyrefusetochange,andtheonlyproblemtheyseeiswhyotherpeopledonot
findthemattractive,orhowslimmerpeoplehaveeasierlifedueto'thinprivilege'
someofthemmakemoneyonpromotingsuchlogic.
ofcoursetherearesanefatpeople,whoworkonlosingweight.buttherearealsocaseslikethese.thewholedrama
wasabouttheeffectiveshotgunapproachcensorshiphere,whichaffectedalsopeoplebashingthoseHAESfolks.
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[] 4cimos 7points

Thewholedramawasabout/r/FPHaccessingprivateinformationandphotosofimgurstaffandencouragingusersto
harassthem.Ithadnothingtodowiththecontentofthesubreddit.
InspeakingofthecontentthoughI'mgladfatpeoplehateisgone.ItwasnotanalternativevoicetoHAES.Itwasa
viciousplacefullofviciousandcruelpeople.Idistinctlyrememberapostthereaboutaguywhowassavingupfor
surgerytogetridofmassesandmassesoflooseskinafterlosingcloseto200pounds(hedidn'tpostittherethepost
wastakenfromoneoftheweightlosssubreddits).Hisphotowasridiculedandcommentersweresayingthathe
shouldkeeptheskinasa"ScarletLetter"toletothersknowheusedtobefat.It,like/r/jailbait,won'tbemissed.
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[] yoshi314 2points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

well,idon'tmindthatonegone,especiallyifyoumentiondoxxing.butidonotlikethefallout.
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[] barneythepurplethot 2points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

idon'tagreewithfphbutsomepeoplerespondpositivelytoharshtruthsandothersrespondpositivelytokindwords
andencouragementitjustdependsontheinduvidual
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[] only_spoons 35points

Ithinkalotofpeoplehaveadeepfearofbeingfatand"disgusting"(whateverthatmeanstothempersonally)
themselvesandthatiswhytheyaresovocalintheirhatred.It'slikeonlybyremindingthemselveshowawfulthey
thinkitiscantheypreventthemselvesfrombecominglikethat.
I'veneverbeenfatpersonallybutIhavestruggledwithbodyimageandIamawarethatpersonallyIdonotwantto
beoverweight.Andhonestlyit'snotevenahealththingIcanadmitthatIdon'twanttobeperceivedas
unattractive.However,thisdoesn'tmakemehatefatpeople.I'mawarethatifIfeeluncomfortablewithbeingfat,
theymightwellfeeljustasuncomfortable.Itmakesmefeelempathy.Ifeelsorrythatsomeonemaynotbeableto
findawaytogetoutofthatpositionbecauseIknowIwouldwantto.
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[] PM_ME_YOUR_QUADS undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Iwoulddescribeitasmoreofandequallyextreme,oppositereactiontotheHAESandotherfatnormalization
movements,maybeevenMalcomXesque.Itwastheoppositesideofthespectrum.
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[] N_Raist 0points

Howdoyouhavedeepfearofactivelydoingsomethingforalongperiodoftime?Iwouldn'tliketogetfat,forsure,
justlikeIwouldn'tlikedoingmeth.Butthatdoesn'tmeanIfearit,becauseit'ssomethingIhavegreatcontrolover.
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[] cardevitoraphicticia 1points

WhereasI'mjustpartofthisbecauseIthinkcensorshipisworsethanhatespeech.
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[] ripsonofficial 2points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Theonlytypeofhatethatwillworkisifyou'refatandyouhateyourselfsothatburnsafireinsideyoutochange
yourself,butusuallyselfhatenevermotivatespeoplejustbringsthemdownintoworsepositions.Butwhatifyou
hatedfarpeoplesomuchthatyouliterallyputallyourstrengthandtimeintotryingtoeducatepropernutritionand
exerciseandmakeitallcheaperandmoreavailableonaglobalscalebecauseyouneverwantedtoseeafatperson
again?Thatwouldbeawierdfuckingwaytogoaboutit.
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[] Synaps4 9points

ItWASnicenottoseeithere.nowyou'vestartedthediscussionhere.Ididn'tneedanothersubreddittodiscussthis
topic.Ialreadyhavetheentirerestofthesiteforthat...
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[] Brelett 0points

sowhatdoyouthinkaboutthisall
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[] 9inety9ine 1point[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Everysanepersonknowsthathatingpeopledoesn'thelpthem
Mostsanepeopleknowthatcensoringpeopledoesn'tmakethemgoaway.Theyhadaplacetopostthatstuffand
nowit'sbeentakenaway.
It'slikefindingapaperbagthat'sonfire,thatyouknowisfullofdogshit,butyoustomponitanyway.
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[] harveybirdman 2points

IunsubbedfromthemainsubredditslongagosoI'veonlygotthegistofthecurrentdramagoingon(bywhatI
understandessentiallymainsubredditsaregettingfloodedwithantiobesityandfathateposts?).I'mverygladthat
stupiddramahasn'tfloodedintothissubtoo.
Idon'tagreewithfathateandIdon'tthinkit'sparticularlyhelpful.Itcanbeamotivatorforweightlossforsomebut
shamingisnotreallyapositivewayofgoingaboutitandcanleadtointernalisingalotofselfhateaswellashatefor
otherfatpeople.
Butthatbeingsaid,Idon'tagreewithfatacceptanceeither.Promotinganunhealthyweightorunhealthylifestyleas
acceptableisjustwronganddangerous.
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[] AdumbroDeus 14points

That'stheticket,encouragementnothate.
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[] Crookmeister 3points

I'dsay/allrightnowislessabouthatingfatpeopleandmoreaboutrebellingandshittingonredditforcensorship.I'm
kindafinewithit.I'vebeenusingvoatforawhilenowanyway.Lessshitgoesonthereandit'sniceandcalmand
quiet.It'sjustpeoplesharingcontent.
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[] mustfarfar 3points

Ifthereareanypeopleouttherewhounderstandfeelingfat,ugly,weakorsmallit'sthepeoplewhostarted
exercising.
Suresomepeoplemightbetootakenwiththeirowninsecuritiessotheyprojecttheirnegativityand"hate"towards
othersbutIthinkweat/r/fitnesshaveaslightlybetterunderstandingforthedifficultythanmostpeople.
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[] InfiniteV 945points

Thisis/r/fitness.Wediscussfitnessfromanobjectivestandpoint.
Idon'tthinkanyoneheregivesashitaboutfatpeopleunlessthey'recurlinginthesquatrack.
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[] mehavesomethingtosay undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

thereareplentyofpeoplein/r/fitnessdiscussingfitnessfromanextremelysubjectivestandpoint.
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[] potatomeat undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

EverytimeIposton/r/Fitnessaboutmytroubleswithovercomingmybattlewithfat,lookingforguidanceor
motivation,Igetmeatheadsrespondingwithangrydribble.So,after3or4ofthese,Ijuststoppedasking/r/Fitness
foranythingandhavesincedeletedallmyposts.
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[] jaredb45 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Formeitisnota"hate"offatpeopleliketherewasonFPH,itsahatredofthelackofdesiretostaysomewhat
healthyortakecareofonesself.Iknownotever"large"personcanhelpitbutaperfectexampleofwhatIcant
standisIhaveacoworkerwhoisoverweightandgetsoutofbreathjustwalking20'orso.Hecomplainsallthetime
abouthowheisoverweightandhisdoctorssaythereisnothingtheycandoforhisconditionsuntilhedropssome
weight.Wellatlunchheeatsmassiveamountsofshittyfoodandsayshewillneverexercise.I'vetriedtohelphim
multipletimes(notinfrontofanyone)bygivinghimexerciseoptionsanddiettips.Heofcoursehasn'tdoneanyof
thoseoranythingatallandeverytimehecomplainsIwanttotellhimtostfubecauseherefusestodoanything
aboutit.EverytimeIseesomeonesprogresspicsonhereIwishIcouldgivethemabighighfiveandtellthemhow
fuckingawesomeofajobtheyaredoing.Sorry,okayrantover.
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[] Crunkenstien undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

It'snotaboutfatpeoplehate.It'saboutfreespeech.ThebanningofFPHwasjustthefinalstraw.
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[] Catholic_Spray undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Wediscussfitnessfromanobjectivestandpoint.
Youmustbenewhere.

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[] Geruvah undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

coughWhenit'sreallylateatnightandnobodyelseisintheroom,Idoit...
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[] zortor undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Yourcommentisnice,thoI'venotfoundr/fitnesstobeanobjectivediscussion.
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[] nano_343 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Idon'tthinkanyoneheregivesashitaboutfatpeopleunlessthey'recurlinginthesquatrack.
Thisappliestoeveryone,notjustfatpeople.Ihateitwhenyou'retakingupspace,sothatyoucansayitwenttothe
gym.
There'sagirlatmygym,hasbeengoingforabout6monthsnow.Hasmadeabsolutelyzeroprogress.None.Shehas
atrainer(whoisaboutasunfitassheis)aswell.Whyshehasn'tfiredhimyetandbeganworkingwithmanyofthe
Nationallevelcompetitorswealsohaveastrainers,Idon'tunderstand.Instead,she'stherethreedaysaweek,
complaininghowshehasn'tseentheprogressshewants.
You'rewastingyourtimeandmoney.Andyou'rewastingmytimebytakingupgymspacethatIcouldbeusingto
actuallymakeprogress.
Fatorskinny,thosearethepeopleIcan'tstand.
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[] Crap4Soul undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Hotgirlcurlinginthesquatrackalsounacceptable.Wehaveequalitystandardshere.
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[] slapyomomma13 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thisisoneofmyfavgymratrants.Theinfamousargumentofwhetherornotpeopleshouldbedoingbarbellcurlsin
thesquatracks.
Theanswerisfuckyou.
noseriouslythough,
1)thewidergriponthebarbellallowsforabetterpumpfortheinsideofthebicepasyourarmsareforcedoutwards
bythebarbell.
2)nowthatwehaveareasonableuse/argumentforthebarbellletsdiscussdoingitinthesquatracks,wherearethe
barbells?youguessedit,squatracks.Sowhetherornotsomeonedoesitinthesquatrackornotyoustillloseouton
yourbarbellandhaveauselesssquatrack.
3)itsapublicgymandthisarguementisusedasasenseofbelongingtoaclique.
Ivebeentrainingforabouttenyears,andihaveheardthisargumenttimeandtimeagain,nooneistakingsolong
doingcurlsinasquatrackthatitimpedesonyourworkout.Icantevencounttheamountoftimesiseeguysinthe
gymconstantlymountupmaxweightsfor12badformrepsandthensomehowmaketheargumentabout"uknow
whatihateinthegym...."likereally?Itskindoflikecomplainingaboutnewgymmembersinthenewyear,really?
youneverstartedoffassomesmallshrimpyoroverweightkidtryingtogetintoshape?you'veneverwantedto
changesomethingaboutyourlifeandhadtostartatgroundzero?Peoplearesoampedattearingotherpeopledown
justtofitin.Liveandletlive.
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[] smurf_diggler undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

[http://imgur.com/gallery/7LmJQfY](SpreadAwareness)
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[] epibolic 0points

Isubmittedthisto/r/bestof.Thispostmademymorning.Here'swhy:
Iwassurprisedbyreddit'sdecisiontobansomesubs.Iwasshockedbythebacklash.Iwasdisgustedbyhowquickly
itdevolvedintomisogyny,callingtheredditCEOac***andexpressingadesiretopunchherintheface.Itreminded
meofhowgamergatequicklywentfromadiscussionofintegrityingamereviewstopersonalattacksoffemalegames
journalists.Ifledfrom/r/alltomysubreddits,lookingforsolace.
Ifoundthis./r/fitnessstrikesmeastheperfectplaceforthisdiscussion.Thecontroversyof/r/fatpeoplehateis
inherentlyaboutfitness.Peoplethatarefatarenotphysicallyfit.Theyaremockedon/r/fatpeoplehateforthislackof
fitness.Redditleadershipdecidesthatthehatersarenotsociallyfit,andbansthemforthislackoffitness.Redditors
respondbystatingthattheCEOofredditisnotfitandfloodthesitewithhateforthislackoffitness.
Fitness,initsDarwiniansense,meansthestateofbeingsuitablyadaptedtoanenvironment.Ineachofthethree
casesabove,thesubjectwasdeemedunfitandpunishmentswerelevelled.Thisisnotasurprisingoutcome,asitis
howbiologyandsocietyoperates.Theorganismrejectsthethingsthatstandinthewayofitsdefinitionofsuccess.
Successisrelativeandoftencontradictory.Conflictrisesfromthesecontradictions.
Thispostwasanaffirmationthatthereisanothersidetothisstory.Therearecommentsfrompeoplewhousedtobe
fatandbelievetheyneededsomehatetoencouragethemtobehealthier.Therearecommentsaboutagrowing
uneasinessinthemedicalcommunitytobebluntaboutpatient'shealthissuesforfearofbeinglabelledahater.There
commentsthatquestionwhatisgoingonin/r/all.
/r/fitnesshasalwaysbeenaterrificplacetohaveopendiscussionsaboutfitnessandreceiveintelligent,frank,and
kindfeedbackandcriticism.Ibelievethatthereisnobetterplaceonreddittodiscussthefitnessofreddit'schoice
andthefitnessofreddit'sreactiontothatchoice.
Iapplaudyou,/r/fitness.Iapplaudallofus,fat,skinny,haters,CEOs,wecangetbeyondthisconflict.Thanks.
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[] Neuromancer311 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Theideaisthatthereshouldbefreedomtoopenlydiscusswhatwewantto.Iwasn'tamemberandreallydon'thave
timetowasteonfathatebutIthinkpeopleshouldhavetheabilitytodiscussit.Theproblemisthatitallspiralsinto
havingtodecidewhichgroupstoallow.WeclosedfatpeoplehategreatforsomeIguessbutwestillhave
cutefemalecorpses.Whatthefuck?Priorities.
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[] great_____divide undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

It'snotaboutthesubreddititself,it'saboutthecensorship.Idon'tcareaboutFPH,didn'tevenknowitexisted,butI
careaboutthissiteslowlygoingdownthedrainintoapoliticallycorrect,SJWapproved,safespaceenabled,trigger
free,attackhelicopterkinfriendlyhellhole.
It'salwaysfinewhentheycensorstuffyoudisagreewith.Sure,whocaresaboutthoseassholes,right?Butthen
someoneelsealwaysexiststhatthinksYOUaretheasshole,andthingsYOUlikeareterrible.That'swhyyoueither
supportcompletefreedom(withintheconfinesofthelaw)oryouseeitslowlyerodeintonothing.
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[] epibolic undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Fromanotherresponsetoasimilarcomment.tldr:Iagree,but.

Iagree.Somanythingswrongwiththisdecisiontoattemptsurgicalbanningbasedonbeliefandperception.Firstof
allitisimpossiblebecause,asyoupointout,thereisalotofthisstuffouthere.Secondly,itisextremelyrelative
whatonefindsoffensive.Tryingtoeliminateeverythingthatsomeonefindsoffensivewouldlikelyresultinablank
page.Offensivematerialislikepornographicmaterial.Itisambiguous,subjective,andveryhardtoclassify.
Mycriticismisnotthatpeoplegotmad.ItisthattheydecidedtoactbypostingtheEllenPao'spicturetopunchable
faces,callingherac***,googlebombingherwithswastikas,andsoon.Thisisjustrespondingtoheractionswith
exactlytheactivitythatinspiredtheactions.Maybethatisagoodthing,freespeechandall,butIthinkMLKwould
beabitdisheartened.
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[] Z0MBIECL0WN 1point

Caniusethesquatracktocurlifi'mtheonlypersonthere?
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[] Kahnarble undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

We'llstillknow.
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[] Kamishini 1points

"Objective"Wellthetopcommentaboveyouissupportingfph
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
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[] CopyrightQuestioner 35points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

/r/fitnessmayhaverelativelyhighqualityandobjectivediscussion,bititisaboutliftingandgains,notfitness.
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[] PrimeIntellect undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

ThatexplainswhyifItalkaboutsports,running,orprettymuchanyexerciseotherthanliftingIgetblankstares
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[] tkdyo undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

thoseareapartoffitness.theyareonlydiscussedthemostbecauseofthedemographicofthesub.mostlyyoung
guyswhowanttobestrongandhavedefinedmuscles.youarefreetopostaboutwhatyouwant,theresnorule
againstitlikeifthiswereanactuallydedicatedliftingsubreddit.
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[] CopyrightQuestioner undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Sure,it'snotlikethey'reexcludedinfitness.Butit'ssortoflikegoingto/r/bookshopingtoenjoyacommunityabout
booksbutonlyseeingdiscussionaboutscifi,orgoingto/r/carsandonlyseeingdiscussionaboutsportscars,or
/r/gamingandonlyseeingdiscussionaboutPCgames...yougettheidea./r/fitnesswouldbebetternamed/r/lifting.
(Idon'tknowifthoseexamplesaretrue,they'rejusthypothetical.)
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[] Manananggal undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Havingadiscussionaboutafitnesstopicunrelatedtoliftingistough.Discussingsomethingintheliftingsubgenre
thatisn'tstrengthtrainingisabsolutelyimpossible.
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[] blewpah undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Idon'tfeellikeit'stoughtohavefitnessdiscussionoutsideofstrengthtrainingandbodybuilding.There'scardioand

highlevelrunning/swimming.Alotofdiscussiontobehadthereaboutformanddiet.There'scalisthenicsand
bodyweightfitnessaswellasyoga(thosehavetheirownsubsthough),whichleadstostretchingandflexibilityand
balance,allofwhichcomeintoplayinmartialarts.They'reallpartsoffitnessandthere'salotofdiscussiontobehad
aboutthem,buttherereallyisn'tthatmucharoundhere.
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[] InstigatingDrunk undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

dealwithit.gif
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[] Frognosticator 18points

Thenwhyareyouhere?Thissubisaboutfatlossandmusclegain,especiallyforbeginners./r/fitnesssoundstome
likeaprettygoodwaytodescribethat.
Ifyouwantasubaboutcardio,checkout/r/running,/r/swimming,or/r/bicycling.Otherwise,dealwithit.
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[] PrimeIntellect undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thereiswaymoretofitnessthanjustweightlossandmusclegainandyoucouldreallybeveryunhealthyandbe
ridiculouslyripped.Agoodfriendofminewasacompetitivepowerlifterswithanamazingphysiquewhohadaheart
attackinhisthirtiesbecauseofhislifestyle
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[] HerniatedHernia 23points

Whatdrugsareyouon?Youreprovinghispointperfectly.Fitnessisaholistictermincorporatingmorethanjust
weightlifting.Idiot.
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[] CopyrightQuestioner 6points

Noneedtogetdefensive.Justpointingoutthatthe/r/fitnessdefinitionoffitnessisverynarrow.
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[] Avatar_Of_Brodin undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ifitwasn'tnarrowyouwouldn'tbeabletoloaditwithplates.
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[] suchamensch 61points

Ialsocareifbenchesarenotbeingwiped.Icarealot.
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[] watwat undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Otherpeople'ssweatiseasilyinmytop5ofgrossestshitinthehistoryoftheworld
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[] lustywench99 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Right?Wenttodorowsandthebenchwaswet.Iwaslike,sweet!Freshlycleaned!ThenIlookedcloser...seemedlike
ahumanbuttimprint...thenIlookedatthelatpulldown...andthereisasupersweatydude.
Needlesstosay,Iputdownallmystufftoclaimmyspot,gotatowelandsprayeditdowntoclean.Andcleanedit
againwhenIfinished,eventhoughrowsaremylastexerciseandIfeellikedyingafterthat.Iwilldieaftermybutt
sweathasbeencleaned.
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[] DarthHonkey undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ineverwipeanythingdown.IamapayingcustomerIamnotgoingtobethemaid.
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nobodycaresifyourefatathomejustifyourfatinpublic
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[] Veggiebarian 6points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Righthere.SuchasimplethingtodoandIseepeoplenotdoingit.WhycometothegymtobeactiveI'dyou'rejust
goingtobelazy?
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[] ImOnaMexicanRadio undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

There'salwayssomethingsosatisfyingaboutwipingsomeoneelse'ssweatupoffthebenches.
Not.
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[] FoolsProof undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

nobodycaresifyourfatathome,butifyourdareshowyourface......
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[] suchamensch undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Nobodycaresaboutyourface,theycarethatyou'reaslobthatdoesn'twipeshitdownaftergettingitdirty.Skinny
fucksdoittoobutreallyheavypeopleimedoitmostfrequently.
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[] cardevitoraphicticia undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Iactuallyhadafatassleaveabrownstainedtowelonaseatinthegymyesterday.I'mnevergoingonthatmachine
again...
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[] ollo1234567 2points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

ThatandIdoubtmanyofthefatpeoplehategroupevenfrequentthegym,letalone/r/fitness.Theythinkit'san
accomplishmenttobeskinny.Yougottahavenothinginlifetobeproudofifyouconsidernoteatingthethingyou
wanttobragabouttotheworld.
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[] Griever114 21points

Idon'tthinkanyoneheregivesashitaboutfatpeopleunlessthey'recurlinginthesquatrack.
Youdontneedtobefattobeafuckingasshole.Iveseenplentyofidiotswastingaperfectlygoodsquatracksothey
couldcurltwo10lbplatesandgruntlikeahippowhentheyfinish...fuckmygym
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[] BigPoopBreakfast undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Mygymhas3squatracks.Iwentinat6PM(akashitfuckbusytime)withtheintentionofdoingsquats,andtwoof
therackswerebeingtakenupbytwobrosdoingbicepcurlsnexttoeachotherinadjacentsquatracks.Ifirstasked
toworkin,ashey,theyarepayingcustomerstoo.Thelittleshitsaidno.Itoldthemthattheyshouldgoelsewhere,
astheycouldliterallydotheircurlsanywhereelseinthegym,whereasthesquatrackistheonlyplacetodosquats,
towhichherespondedthathelikeddoingthemtherebetter.Atthispoint,IsimplyinformedhimthatIwasworking

in,grabbedanotherbar,didmysquats,andmovedon.I'mnotsurehowlongtheyweretherebeforeIgotthere,but
inthetimeIwasatthegym,theydidatleast8setsapiece.
Fuckthosepeople.
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[] Griever114 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

MakethyrageFLOW!!!
Itrynottobyagymsnob.Istartedoutlikeeveryoneelsebutsomethingsmakemeragetonoend.
1. Asmentionedabove,usingracksnotfortheirintendedpurpose.No,idontgiveafuckifyoulikeitbetterinthe
cage...thecageisforsquatsyoufuckersnottodositups(notkidding).
2. Peopletryingtoworkinwhenyouaregoingheavy.(iamnowherenearthispointbuttrytorespecttheeffort).
myfriendwasshootingforaPB(3+plates)andwasonhislast2beforethePB.Somelittleshitwantedasked
toworkin.except,hesaidhewantedtotobicepcurls...withjustthebar.Hewantedmyfriendtodeload6
fuckingplatestotalsothisshitlordcouldstrugglewiththebar.itsonethingifyoucandoasimilaramountof
weightbutdontbeadickaboutit.
3. theobliviousdoorknobsthatgetoffendedwhentheyhavetododgeyoursquatbar/deadlifttryingtogettoa
weight.imsorrybutimnotgoingtositthereholdingthefuckingloadedbarwhileyoutrytoreorganizethe
fuckingplatestogetyour25lbplate.andwhenidosquat/deadlift/OHPtheytrytoRUNpastmemakingme
eitheralmosthitthemordropthebar.apparently,imanassholeforsquatting...inasquatrackandshould
"watchwhatimdoing"
fuck.
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[] theprancingpuppy 70points

That'sthepoint.Beingfatisnotaproblem,beinganassholeis.
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[] Rawscent undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Smallgymproblems:Wellwehaveasmalllockerroomandfatisahugeproblemthere.
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[] rudealt 0points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thepeopleshoutkindlyexplainwhattodo.It'squitepossiblethattheydon'tknowdifferent.ToquoteOP"let'sall
remembertohelppeopleimprove(ifthat'swhattheyaretryingtodo)andnotridiculethem."!
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[] InfiniteDroid 7points

wedontevenhavebenchpressesinmygym..youwannabenchyoudoitinthesquatrack,hatedbyeveryone.
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[] Cornbread52 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

I'dfindanewgym.
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[] Griever114 1point

:Triggered:
FFS...whydoesthishappen?
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[] wurkenardlee 1point

Howthehelldoyoubenchinthesquatrack?
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[] IllBeGoingNow 1point

They'reprobablythinkingofapowerrack/cage.
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[] InfiniteDroid 2points

Youdragabenchoverthere,luckilytheguardsatmygymareadjustable,soyoucanstillbencheffectively.Moreofa
retardedissueofprioritizingahugeroomforclassesovertheliftingarea,becauseswedesaretooafraidofthebig
scaryweights.
Iswear,halfofthepeopleINTHEFUCKINGZUMBACLASSareguys,who,whenitalktothem,saythattheydontlift
becausetheyareafraidofgettinginjured.Oh,andthegoodold"ihatebeingsorethedayafter"excuse.
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[] Griever114 1point

Assholesusetheguardsoneithersideincaseyouneedtobailoutasthepegsinabenchrack.
Orinmygym,thepegsare6inchesfromtheirchestsotheycanpracticetheir"benchjerk".Bythatimeanthrowing
on3plateseachend,derackingthebarandmovingthebaronly2inchescallingita"rep."
SMH
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[] Fikkia 0points

Oreatingit.
(I'msosorry!)
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[] the_lurking_turkey 3points

Thethingis,it'sallabouttiming.Waitaweek(ifyou'vegottasaysorryafterajoke,itsnotveryfunnyatthat
moment!).
Alsogetouttathissubwiththatnoise.
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[] Furrier 2points

Itwasfunnythough!
permalink
[] filthy_casul 1points

Yeah,thatcleverandoriginaljokewassohilarious.
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[] turn0 187points

Whywouldyoucurlinthesquatrack?Yousquatinthesquatrack,andyoucurlonthesheet.
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[] Gommers undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Youcanalsodeadliftinthesquatracksbro,aslongasit'safullrack.
Fittip#503
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Oh?Ithoughtthesquatrackwasforyoga?
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[] Arnie_WeissNword undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Isquatthecurlrack
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[] Icebot undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

IgosodeepinmysquatIrerackonthepreachercurlbench.
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[] slapyomomma13 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Illcurlwhereeverthefuckidamnwellplease.
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[] BigJAnder undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

AsaMinnesotan,Iapproveofthisjoke.
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[] johnlocke95 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

NobodyusesthesquatrackatmygymsoIcurlinit.
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[] Oteca undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Iohpinthesquatrack.
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[] muikes 1point

Ithinkthatwasexactlythepoint.
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[] HikaruYami 1point

That...thatwasliterallyInfiniteV'spoint.Didyoumissit?InfiniteVwastryingtosay"that'stheonlytimewe'dbe
makingfunoforinsultingafatperson,anditwouldn'tbeforbeingfat".
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[] turn0 1point

No,IgotitthenIfolloweditwithawordplayjokeabouttheOlympicsportofCurling.Itispoortaste,Iknow,butI
rarelygettomakeajokebasedonCurlingasnotmanypeoplegetESPN8.
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[] somethingwickednc undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

TheOcho!
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[] steam116 1point

FoundtheCanuck
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[] tommos 206points

DomtoldmeIcoulddocurlsonanything.

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[] swordfishy undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Idocurlsonthemoon.Lessgravity=highernumbersonthedumbbells=moregains.
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[] peekAchewZ undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

moregains=backtomoon=lessgravity=highernumbersonthedumbells
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[] swordfishy undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

replacedumbellswithbarbell=doubleyournumbersontheweight=moregains
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[] xxdobbsxx 70points

Especiallythesquatrack
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[] IllBeGoingNow 14points

Curlrack*
permalink
[] 80_Inch_Shitlord 92points

There'samonsterlooseinthegym.AFUCKINGBICLOPS!
permalink
[] well_golly 5points

Isn'tthatthegameHarryPotterplays?
permalink
[] VerticalEvent 13points

HarryPotterisn'tCanadian.
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[] trompelamort 11points

IthoughHarryPotterflewaroundonbroomschasinglittlegoldenballs
permalink
[] Crully 2points

That'sJasperCarrot.
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[] Gandolf1996 8points

Thatsfootballbro.
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[] peekAchewZ undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

It'spronouncedsoccer.
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[] ScientificMeth0d 1points

Ireadthatas
IthoughHarryPotterflewaroundonbroomschasinglittlegoldenballsboys

Ineedsomesleep.
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[] ciderczar 2points

You'renevergonnacatchme,Harry!
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[] Aisforasthma undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

That'sHarryPotterandtheOtherChamberofSecrets.
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[] awkward___silence 18points

Youyoubroughtithere.Damyou
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[] breathethisair 12points

Andyetyoubringittothissub.Anypublicityisgoodpublicity.Ifthere'snobullshitgoingonhere,whystiritupwith
thispost?SMH
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[] robmox 133points

Ioftentellpeoplethatnothingmakesmehappierthanseeingfatpeopleinthegym.Iloveselfimprovement,andit's
thepurestformofit.Keeprunningbuddy,andI'llkeepsilentlyrespectingyou.
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[] cardevitoraphicticia 0points

Ihavenodisagreementwiththat.Ijustthinkcensorshipisworsethanhatespeech.
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[] Ilikewinter 72points

Right,butthethingwithfatshamingisthatoncethatpersonisoutsideofthegym,peoplefeelatfreetojudgethem
asifthey'resubhuman.
Idon'tunderstandwhyfatpeopleonlydeserverespectwhenthey'reinspecificlocations.Just.Like.Peopleneedto
mindtheirownbusiness
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[] MistaSmiles undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Santawasfat,howcananyonehateSanta
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[] MY_SHIT_IS_PERFECT undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

MorallyIdon'treallythinkthere'sanyargumentforaggressivelyhatingcompletestrangersfornootherreasonthan
theirappearance,butthesadtruthofitisthatpeopleliketobemeanandthatwillneverchange.Beingfatis,
unfortunately,areallyeasythingtomakefunof,soitwillalwaysbeatarget.
Theinternetapparentlytakeshatredveryseriously.I'malittledisgustedbythisbehavior,makesmerethink
associatingmyselfwiththeRedditcommunity.Atleaston/r/fitnesswe'regenerallyunitedinbetteringourselves.
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[] Frognosticator 5points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Idon'tthink/u/robmoxwasadvocating"fatshaming"atallthough.Iagreewithhim,Ilikeseeingoutofshapefolks
atthegym.Forsomereasonit'sencouraging,itmakesmefeellikewe'reallinthistogether.

Also,contextisimportant.IfIsilentlyapplaudanobesepersonatthegym,I'malsogoingtosilentlyjudgethe350
pounddudeatthefoodcourtFiveGuys.Imean,that'sjustemotionsandpartofbeinghuman.
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[] Ilikewinter undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Rightright,Iwasjustelaboratingbecausealotofpeoplepatthemselvesonthebackforsupportingfatpeopleatthe
gym,butthenturnaroundtodemeaning/judgingothersoutsidethegym.It'slocationspecificrespectandit's
bullshit.
Iwasn'timplyingthat/u/robmoxdidthat,I'mjustelaboratingonthetrend.
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[] serialaccountkiller 5points

Althoughthat'satadpatronizingbutIagree.Itsreallyonlythepeoplethatlookatthemselvesinthemirrorreally
arrogantlylikethey'rehotshitthatannoyme.
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[] Froggy_hop 2points

Itmaybealittlepatronizingtothink,butaslongasyou'renottooterriblyvocalonthematter,it'sfine.Plusit'sa
waybetterattitudethanjusthatingthemfornoreason.
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[] aybrah undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Everysanepersonknowsthathatingpeopledoesn'thelpthem,encouragementandeducationdoes.
Iwannasaythatyou'rerightthatencouragementandeducationshouldbetheprimarymethodsandthatFPHwas
waaaaaaaayacrossthelinebutI'veknownmanyoverweightpeopleforwhomthathatewaswhatfueledthem,as
hardasthattruthmaybetotake.Ifyouspendsometimeontheinternetthatsthecaseforalotofpeople.Iwould
arguethatyou'reanoutlierinthatyousaythatforyouonlyencouragementandeducationmadethedifference.I
don'tthinkitsreasonableorrealistictoevenexpectmostofyourmotivationtostartfrompurelypositivethinking.
Thoughthisisn'ttheplaceforitIalsothinkbanningFPHwasareallybadmove.Ithoughtitwasanawfulplaceand
personallywouldnevergoonitbuttoflatoutbanitisridiculous.ThereareDOZENSofsubsthatshouldbebannedif
thatstheprecedent.How/r/srsisstillaroundwiththeirblatantbrigadinganddoxxingisbeyondme,iguessthatjust
fitsintoredditsintendednarrativenow.
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[] gamingchicken 148points

WellI'dlovetocomehereandseenoneofitbutyou'vejustboughtitoverhere.
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[] ron_manager 17points

Imeantitintermsofnotseeingthehatredandshamingsortofstuffinhere,ratherthannotseeinganythingrelated
to/commentingonitatall.
IdogetyourpointthoughandIsupposeitisabithypocriticalinawaysosorryinthatrespect.
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[] mntbrry 45points

Ithinkhemeansitmoreliterally.Thefphpeoplelookforthreads/peopletalkingaboutthemandlinktheminother
threads.Bywritingthispost,you'veactuallymadethemcomehere.
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[] mynumberistwentynine undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Bywritingthispost,you'veactuallymadethemcomehere.
Thusaddingtothenumbersthatwerealreadyapartofthiscommunityorthosethatfrequentedhereanyway.
Justscrollingthroughthisthreadyouseethecommentsandthevotetotals.
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[] Ihavenowheretovent 10points

Fatbastardsshouldbebannedfromthegym
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[] Ohhhhhk undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

k.
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[] PumpkinLatte 1point

Yup
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[] Bockwin 27points

Well,Asanavidbodybuildinghobbiest,Iactuallylovefatpeople.Simplyfromtheirappearanceyoucantelltheyare
lazy,selfishandstupid!Itsavesalotoftimewheninterviewingpeopleforjobsorevenbasicallygettingtoknow
someone.
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[] Mig2k 12points

Ithasnothingtodowithfatpeopleandeverythingtodowithcensorship.F'reddit.Itstimewemovetoacensorfree
site.Iknowmyselfandashittonofpeoplewillstartusingvoat.co.
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[] PsyAyeAyeDuck 3points

Youaremorethanwelcometodeleteyouraccountifyouareserious.
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[] McSport 2points

Ithinkitsrelatedtorecentresurgencein"beingobesedoesn'tmakemeunhealthy"and"fatandbeautiful"posts.
Theygetbashedfortheiropinion,thenthewhiteknightscomeintotheirdefensewithemptywords.thenyouhave2
sidesarguingandalotofstrongopinions.
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[] SaigaFan undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Everysanepersonknowsthathatingpeopledoesn'thelpthem,encouragementandeducationdoes.
All3workforme:/
HatingonsomethingIcanchangeandfixworksforme.Theiroverthetopdehumanizinghatewasjustthatoverthe
top,butitistheinternetandnoonemademegothere.
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[] I_Draw_Butts 1point

OkaysoIhaveclinicaldepression.IfsomeonetalkedtomelikethepeopleonFPHtalked,itwouldn'tofhelpedmeat
all.Someofmysuicidaltendenciesprobablywouldoftakenoverandshitwouldn'tofbeencool.Infactthey
encouragefatpeopletokillthemselves,tellthemthey'reawasteofhumanlife,etc.IfIhadpostedaprogresspicture

andtheysawanditputitontheirSubredditandIsawit...Yeahnoway.
Butifoneofmyfriendskindlysuggestedwestartgoingtothegymtogetherandmaybekeepafoodlogthatwouldof
beengreat.OrevenpointedoutthatI'vegainedsomeweightandwetalkedaboutit.There'sahugedifference
betweentellingsomeonethewayitisandtellingsomeonethey'redisgustingpiecesofshitwhoshouldkill
themselves.
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[] SaigaFan 1point[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ifyouhavetheseissuesandyouseearoomwithasignthatsayswefuckinghateyouif,youcomeinherewewill
fuckingragonyouthendon'tgointhere.
Youcanveryeasilyfilteroutsubsfromyourviewingyoudon'tcaretosee.
Doyouwantgoodmotivationandovertoloseit,fatlogic,orhereatfitness.Thereareplentyofsubsthatwillgive
anyonealotofpositivemotivationandnooneisforcinganyonetogotosubthatdon't.
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[] I_Draw_Butts 1point

Okay,exceptIneverwentONFPH.Oneofthereasonstheygotbannedisbecauseit'sahatefulshitholethatspews
overtoothersubs.
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[] Beijendorf 54points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ithinkthere'sabigdifferenceherethough.
Forexample,/r/fatpeoplehatehatedthepeoplewhowereoverweight,regardlessofhowtheygotthereorwhatthey
weredoingaboutit.Atthesametimewehave/r/fatlogicwhohatestheirrational"logic"andexcusesmadeupby
society,andgroupslikeHAESpretendingit'shealthyornormaltobeoverweight/obese.
Icansee/r/fatlogicbeinggoodforpeoplewhoneedawakeupcall,but/r/fatpeoplehate..?Notsomuch.
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[] Muino undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

IusedFPHasamotivatortoloseweight.Basically,seeingallthenegativesaboutbeingobeseencouragedmeto
strayawayfromthatlifestyle.Also,Ididn'treallyresonatewiththepostsofoverweightpeopleworkingoutandbeing
madefunof.Ionlylikedthepostsoftheoverweightpeople(like400lbs+)whosaystufflike"Thisisahealthylife."
TherewasalotofstufflikethatonFPH.Itwasn't100%hostile.
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[] poopybrain 7points

Yeah,Ithinkthisisthedifferencethatneedstobemade.Thepeoplethatwereinfatpeoplehateandallover/r/all
nowarejustplainbullies,whereasbeingagainstthewholeHAESthingisn'tnecessarilyabadthinginitself.
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[] Beansareno1 21points

Theyactivelyhateonfatpeopleinthegymtryingtoloseweight.
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[] ollo1234567 1point

Hatinghelpsmotivatesomepeopletoprovethemwrong.Italsocansendothersdeeperintodepression.
Fatpeoplehatedefinitelygotalotofpeopleintotryingtobetterthemselves(unintentionallyofcourse,theyhatefat
peopletryingtoloseweightalso),butitalsodidalotofharm.

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[] SaigaFan 1point

Themod/u/leelem0n(bannednow)offeredmedietandnutritionaladviceand2othermodswererespectfulinmod
mail.Suretheybannedmebutthatwastobeexpected.
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[] ollo1234567 1point

Goodtoknowtheybreakcharacteronceinawhiletohelppeopleout.Wasreallyhardtobelievethattheyactinreal
lifejusthowtheyactonline.
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[] mhende 16points

Itisfunnybecausetheyseemednice.ItwasalmostlikearoleplayinggameforthemIthink.Itsjustsoweirdtome,
likelookatleelemonshistory.Likejustnothingbutdifferentsubsabouthatingfatpeople.Ihopetheyhaveanother
account,LikeifImetsomeonelikethatinreallifeandwaslike"so,doyouhaveanyhobbies"andtheywerelike"I
havededicatedmylifetohatingfatpeopleontheinternetacrossmultipleforums."Idbelike"lol...okweirdo."
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[] SaigaFan 0points

AgreedIdon'tthinkmanyofthemreallytrulyspentalltheirtimehatingfatpeopleoutinpublic.Ithinkformostof
themitwasjustanoutlandishexcusetorebelagainstthehealthyatanysizefatlogicprevalenceinsocietytoday.
ForsomeonelikemewhofounditeasyandhelpfultochannelmydislikeforwhatIhadallowedmyselftobecomeit
wasaveryhelpfultool.Idon'thatemyselfbutImostdefinitelyhatethatIallowedmyselftogainsomuchweight
anddamagedmyhealththewayIhave.
Inevertooktheirinsultspersonallysimplyanoverallhatredforthebullshitprevalenceofacceptingwhatreallyboils
downtosuicidalbehavior
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[] IntellegentIdiot 0points

Readingotherpeoplesdescriptionsdoesmakeitseemlikeit'ssupposedtobeaparody.
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[] Daharon 3points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

I'mnotsosureafatpersonwouldfeeltooencouragedtogooutandexcerciseafterseeingsomuchhatebeing
thrownatthem,sortoflikefeedsonthewholeinsecurityfeelingthing.Theygetlaughedatforbeingfatonthe
internet,thentheysureashellexpecttogetlaughedatfortryingtolosethatweight.
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[] SirEmanName 33points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

UponseeingafatpersoninthegymIusuallythink:"youshouldbedoingcardionothoggingthestrength
machines..."
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[] LiamMMusic 1point

NowthatI'veseenyoureditIunderstandthepointyou'remaking.Theoriginalcommentwasn'twrittentoowell.But
anyway,Iwouldn'tbesurprisediftheguy'smainissueiswithhisdiet.
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[] SirEmanName 2points

Yeahprobably,didn'tmeantogeneralise.

permalink
[] Bankrotas 10points

Youtryrunningwith160+kilograms.Ithurtsthejointsafuckton.Andwiththatmuchextraweightholdingyou
down,thestrainonyourlegjointsmightbeenoughtoneedtogetartificialonesjustasyoufinishlosingyourweight.
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[] Marsupian 12points

Strengthtrainingisabsolutelyamustwhenlosingweightinmyopinion.
Ithelpsbiasyourbodytoretainingmusclemasswhichbothspeedsupfatlossandpreventsyoulosingtoomuch
muscle.Youabsolutelyneedtoretainthatmusclemassbothforhormonalbenefitandtokeepyouractivitylevel
higher.
ThatsaidIagreethatstrengthshouldnotbetrainedonmachines.
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[] SaigaFan 12points

What?Why?Strengthtrainingisgoingtobemuchbetterforanespeciallyoverweightpersonthencardio.Betterfor
theirjoins,betterfortheirqualityoflife,betterfortheirfeelingsofaccomplishment.
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[] MixtapeNostalgia 11points

Properdiet&strengthtrainingarejustas(ifnotmore)idealforweightlossascardio.
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[] ollo1234567 3points

Exactly,Idon'teventouchcardiowhenIcut.Guydoesn'tseemtorealizethatanytypeofexerciseburnscalories.
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[] EsoEmpty 13points

whichisstupid
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[] CherryOnDaCake 8points

Can'thandleallthisdrama
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[] ofirissmart 1point

Timetobuysharesinpopcorn.
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[] SexLiesAndExercise undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Airpopped,verylightlyoiledandsaltedpopcorn...
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[] GoofyHeffalump undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Iagreewithyouthat/r/allrightnowisdefinitelyatumoltuousplace.
I'dliketobringattentiontothefollowghowever:
Everysanepersonknowsthathatingpeopledoesn'thelpthem
Infact,formeitreallydid.Alsoaformerfatperson,myfamilywouldhavenothingbutconstantpraiseandtellingme
howIwasperfectjustthewayIwas.Sodidmyfatfriends,myfatcoworkersandgenerallyeveryoneIhungout

with.Itwasn'tuntilIstartedhearingfromalltheseotherpeoplehowobesitywasunhealthyandyes,unappealingto
theeye,thatIstartedtorealizethecold,hardtruth.Thehardtruththatnoamountofcoddlingand'acceptance'
couldhaveevermademerealize.Ineededtohearpolaropposityanditmademefeelreallymadandangryatfirst.I
guessitwilldependonthepersonhowyouareabletotakeit.Iwentfrombeingoutraged,indisbeliefandignorantto
acceptingthataboutmyselfandtothisdayIcreditthehugewakeupcalltotheridiculepeopledisplayedtowardme
formychange.100kg>72kgandnoneofthatwouldhavechangedifIdidn'thearhowdisgustingandunhealthyI
was.
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[] FattestRabbit undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ican'tagreewiththisenough.It'snotthepositivepeoplethathelpedmegettowhereIamtoday,it'smyfriendsand
theinternetremindingmethatIwasn'twhereIcould/shouldbe.Mymomflatoutshitlordedme,and
/r/fatpeoplehateand/r/fatlogicwereconstantremindersofthelifestyleIwantedtodistancemyselffrom.
Regardlessofreasons,banningthesesubswasdonetobantheideasbehindthem.Otheractionscould'vebeentaken
(banningoffendingusers,optingthesuboutofpublishingto/r/all,etc.).Instead,theytookawaytwoofmy(and
manyothers')bigmotivatingsubstohitthegymandeatright.
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[] _Sasquat_ undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Yea,that'sgreatandall,butthereisadifferencebetweenbeingbluntwithsomeonev.s.ridiculingpeople(evenif
theyaregoingtothegymanddoingsomethingabouttheirweight).Andevenifridiculedidworkforyou,it'sretarded
tothinkthesameapproachshouldbeappliedtoeveryotheroverweightindividual.
AndthenyoulookatsomeofthesepeoplefromFPH...theythemselvesdon'tevenlift.It'sjustabunchofskinny
people.Bigdeal.Theydon'tovereatthelowest"accomplishment"intheworldoffitness,butforsomereason
FPHersthinkthey'resooomuchbetterthanfatpeople.
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[] twomeyistheman undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ithinkthatifyoulovesomeone,youaren'tdoingthemanyfavorsbylettingthemliveanunhealthylifestyle.Telling
someonesomethingthatisn'teasytohearbecauseyouareafraidfortheirhealthislove,andveryhardtodo.Telling
someonewhattheywanttoheariseasybutifyoureallycareaboutsomeoneyoushouldtellthemwhattheyneedto
hear,oftentimesyoudon'tevenknowyou'redoingsomethingbadbecauseeveryonetellsyoutheopposite.
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[] 1wf undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

IreadthatsubeverydaytoremindmyselfwhyIreadthissubeveryday.
permalink
[] coltrain423 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

I'djustliketomentionthefactthattheonlyoptionsarenotridiculeorfullacceptance.It'snotokaytoberate
someoneandmakethemfeelworthlessbecausetheareoverweight,norisitokaytotellthemthattheyareperfect
justthewaytheyarewhentheyweigh300lbsanddon'tcareaboutit.Thefactofthematteristhatobesityis
unhealthyandunattractive(tomostpeople,notall.Tellingsomeonethattheyareoverweightandunhealthycanbe
donewithoutthehatredandshamingthatisrampanttoday.
TLDR:Don'tcallsomeonefatshit.Don'tcallamorbidlyobesepersonperfectjustthewaytheyare.
permalink
[] paddlesinwny undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Itwasn'tuntilIstartedhearingfromalltheseotherpeoplehowobesitywasunhealthyandyes,unappealingtothe
eye,thatIstartedtorealizethecold,hardtruth.Thehardtruththatnoamountofcoddlingand'acceptance'could
haveevermademerealize.Ineededtohearthepolaroppositeanditmademefeelreallymadandangryatfirst.
Quitetrue.Lookingback,therewasamomentwhenadrunkgirlIdidn'tlikesaidsomethingverynastytome,andit
hurtlikehell,bothbecauseitwasameanandhurtfulthing,andbecauseitwasactuallytrue.Aftersayingsome
ridiculousandbaselessthings(basicallyshehadavendettaagainstmebecauseonedayIcalledheroutforsome
obnoxiousbehavior),shetackedon"andyou'refat.Howcanyoulivewithyourself?Youcan'tpossiblybeactually
happylikethat."
Iwasprobablyaround300poundswhenthishappened.IknewIwasoverweight.Ididn'twanttobe.ButIguessI
alsofiguredthatfewpeopleactuallycaredandthoughtI'dbefineinspiteofit.Thatcommentateatmeformonths
andwasprobablyasmallfactorinmysubsequentlifestylechange...althoughIwasalsofollowingtheaxiomthatthe
bestvengeanceistolivewell.
permalink
[] hustlaA undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Peopletellingyouthatobesityisunhealthyandunattractiveisn'thate,that'stheopposite.Tellingapersonto
embraceobesityismisguidedatbest.
permalink
[] veronique7 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thereisadifferencebetweenbullyingandnotsugarcoatingthings.Iwasfatasalittlekidandwasrelentlessbullied
bymyclassmates.Iwascalledstupid,fat,calledafatty,calledugly,andawholebunchofotherthings.Evenmystep
momcalledmefatanduglyallthetime.Bullyingdoesnothelp.Yessometimesyouneedtobesternbutharassing
someoneisnotthewaytogo.
IlostweightduetoagingandbecausemymomwassupportiveandmadeitclearIwasnotabadpersonforbeing
chubby.Shejustwantedmetobehappy.
permalink
[] RunsLikeAGirl undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

IhadanetworkoflovingpeopleconstantlytellingmeIwasbeautiful.Ispentmanyyears,happilyobese.Iwouldtalk
sometimesabout"Oh,Ishouldprobablytrylosingweight"likeitwassomeabstractthingthatnooneactually
achievedandthatwouldbemetbyachorusof"Oh,no,youdon'tneedto!Youaresobeautiful!Wearen'tallmeant
tobethin!Youarebigboned"andblahblahblah.
ThenoneladyaskedwhenIwasdue.Iwasn'tpregnant.
ThatincidentpissedmeoffsomuchthatIactuallytookcontrolofmyhealthforthefirsttimeinmylifeandlost60
lbs.Ihavekeptitoffforover7years.
Itisimpossibletobethebestversionofyourselfifyouaren'tcompletelyhonestwithyourself.
Iwasalurkeronfatpeoplehate.Honestly,itkeptmehonestandontrackaboutmyownweightinthelastcoupleof
years.Weightwouldstarttocreepon,maybe510lbs,andI'dcheckfatpeoplehateanditwasverymotivatingtome.
Itwasacruelsitebutsometimesthetruthhurts.
permalink
[] suicideselfie undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Shamecanbeagoodthing.There'sareasonwehaveit.Idon'tthinkit'sagoodideatoengageinanykindof
"othering"ofpeople,whetheryou'recallingthemfat,racialepithets,orevensupposedlyPCtermslikecis.
Resentmentandhateisplainbadforyourhealthandthehealthofothers,andthosewhoengageinitareweak

disgustingpeople.Therearebetterwaystofighttheviceacceptancemovementsthanrootingaroundinhatelikea
piginshit.
permalink
[] tonygd undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ithinkit'sokaytoacknowledgeitandgetgrossedoutifyoufeelgross.Butthere'snoreasontobeasmaliciously
nastyaspeopleareonhere.Ididn'tunderstandthispsychologicalmotivatorasI'vealwaysbeensortofa"medium",
butitstillupsetsmetoseepicturespostedofbigpeoplebeingviciouslylambasted.Maybethere'sacompromise.
permalink
[] Arnie_WeissNword undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

"Bulkuntilyouhateyourself,cutuntilyouhatelifeitself"
~Swolbroham Lincoln
permalink
[] Merakel undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thereisadifferencebetweenoutrighthateandnotpanderingthough.Peopleshouldbehonest,notcruel.
permalink
[] DMAway undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Iwastreatedlikeshitforbeingfatinschool,andallitdidwasmakemehideoutinmyroomandeattocomfort
myself,andperpetuatethecycle.Itwasn'tuntilIwasanadultandrealized,"Ineedtoloseweightformyhealth,"
thatIdidsomethingaboutit.
Shameseemstohaveworkedforalotofpeople,butithadtheoppositeeffectonme.
permalink
[] GriddyBright undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Hateisnotconstructivecriticism.Youcanberealwithoutbeinganass.
permalink
[] MooingIntensifies undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

IspentmostofmylifebelievingthatIwashealthyforbeingobese,becauseIwassurroundedbypeoplethattoldme
that,andittookfatshamingformetobreakmyselfofthatcycleofaddictionofvalidationofmyterriblehabits.
TheHAEScultispowerful,andsomeofusneedtobeshamedinordertotakethathardlookatourselvesnecessary
toadmitthatwehaveaproblemandstarttoloseweight.
permalink
[] TheFitz023 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ihadalittlebitofadifferentsituation,butsimilarinaway.Iputonabitofabellyoverthelastyearanditwasn't
untilmyfuturemotherinlawpointeditout2monthsagothatIreallygotmotivatedtoloseweightandeatbetter.
GoingtothebeachwithherandthefamilyinAugustandI'mtryingtolookasgoodaspossiblebythentoprovethat
bitchwrong
permalink
[] Kiltmanenator 1point

congratsontheprogress!
permalink
[] Analog265 1point

itshilarioushowobviousitisyou'regettingupvotedandgildedbyformerFPHusers.

Alsoalittleironic,consideringhowbuyingsomeoneRedditgoldisfinanciallysupportingthesitetheynowdespise.
permalink
[] KurayamiShikaku 1point

Itwasn'thatredthatdroveme,specifically,butitabsolutelywastherealizationthatIwaslimitingmysociallifewith
myunhealthylifestyle.
Ineededtohearthetruth.Ineededtohearpeopleadmitthattheyabsolutelyfounditunattractive,thatitwasan
undesirabletrait,thatitwasunhealthyanddamagingmybodyandmind.
Sweepingallthebadfeelingsunderarugandpretendingthey'renotthereisn'tasolution.Idon'thateanyonefor
theirlifestylechoices.It'stheirbodyIdon'tgiveashit.Iknowplentyofawesomefatpeople.Buttheydeserveto
knowwhatthey'redoingtothemselves.Theyneedtounderstandsothattheycanmakeaninformedchoice.
HAESisadangerousepidemic.FPHdidn'tseemlikeahategrouptome,itwasjusttheantithesisofHAES.However
crasstheirmethodsmayhavebeen,theywerestilltryingtohelppeopleunderstandtheinherentrisksofobesity.
Fittitdoesn'tneedtotalkaboutthisstuffbecauseweall(forthemostpart)alreadyunderstandandcanlookatthe
issuethroughanobjectivelens.Thereisnodiscussiontobehadhere.Obesityisn'thealthyendofconversation.
We'renotinterestedinshamingpeoplewhoareobesewe'reinterestedinteachingthemeffectivewaystobecome
healthy.Akinder,moreeffectiveapproachforthosewhotrulywishtobetterthemselves.
permalink
[] awerxzas 1point

Cameheretosaythesamething.MyfamilyandfriendscoddledmewhenIwasfat(eightyearsago),andittook
someprettyhatefulcommentsfrompeopleIdidn'tknowtogivemethemotivationtochangethataround.
permalink
[] bewareofunicorn 1point

Itwasn'tuntilIstartedhearingfromalltheseotherpeoplehowobesitywasunhealthyandyes,unappealingtothe
eye,thatIstartedtorealizethecold,hardtruth.
Ithinkthere'salinebetweenfatacceptance/thegoalsofthehealthatanysizemovementandoutright
hatred/bullying.Whileitmaybeamotivatorforsomepeople,it'sdefinitelyharmfultomanyothers...butIalsothink
there'samiddleroadIdon'tthinkweshouldpretendthatpeopleareokaywhenthey'renotandIthinkit'sinsane
foranyonetoencourageanyobesepersontoaccepthowtheyarebecausetheydonotcurrentlyhaveanyobesity
relatedillnesses...nordoIthinkencouragingafatfriendwhobemoanstheirinabilitytoattractpeopletheyfind
physicallyattractivethattheywillgetthemisproductiveeither.Bullyingandhatredisreallywhat'sfuelingthefact
acceptancemovement,asitcurrentlystandit'sprettyclearthatit'sprimarilyreactionarytothestigmatizationof
obesity.
Ifafriendhasanyotherseriousproblem,thebestrouteisgenerallytotreatthemwithcareandrespectwhile
remaininghonest.Whyshouldobesitybeanydifferent?
permalink
[] d_r0ck 1point

Whatwasthefirstchangeyoumadetogetonthepathofhealthiness?
permalink
[] GoofyHeffalump 1point

Basicallymy17yearoldselfinstinctivelyknewthatIwaseatingunhealthy.Withoutanyresearchwhatsoever,I
startedtocutoutfoodsIfiguredwerebadforme.Cutouteatingoutofboredomandoutofemotion..IfIfelthungry
lateatnight,Ithought:"AmIhungryforbroccoliandpotatoestoo?"Iftheanswerwasno,thenforthemostpartit

wasonlysomeformofacravingIhad.
BasicallycutoutmostsugaryfoodsthatIknewIdidn'tneedfromanutritionalperspective.Ididn'tevenexerciseat
first.
permalink
[] d_r0ck 1point

Awesomeplacetobegin.Idothesamethingwith"amIhungryenoughtoeatsteamedfishandbroccoli".Thanks!
permalink
[] jamiroq 1point

Iwasfattoo,Ifeltterribleandlookedterrible,Ididn'tgetanyattentionfromgirlsandIwasashamedtotakemy
shirtoffonahotdaywhenallmyfriendswould.
I'mgladnoonewouldtrytoconvincemeIlookedgreatandthatIshouldlovemybodythewayitwas,becausedeep
downIwasn'thappywithmyself,Iwantedtobeathleticanddoactivities,playsportswithoutbeingoutofbreath
after2minutes.SoIdidsomethingaboutit,IlostweightandfeellikeI'mabetterpersonhavinggonethroughthat
experience,ittaughtmediscipline,IgainedaninsightintoafieldofscienceIhadnoideaaboutandIfeelalotmore
patientthanIwas.
Tome,"lovingmybody"meansIshouldtakecareofitandgetthemostoutofit.
permalink
[] Beansareno1 3points

FPHhatesonfatpeopleinthegym.
permalink
[] Mephysteaux 1point

Ithinkwhatalotofpeoplefailtorealizeisthatthere'sahugegapbetweenfatacceptanceandfathate.Perhaps
you'refamiliarwiththephrase"Hatethesin,lovethesinner."Youcantellapersonyoucareaboutthatyou're
concernedabouttheirweight,anddoitfromaplaceofcompassion.However,itseemslikethefatacceptanceandfat
hatemovementsarereallyplayingoffeachother,andseektopolarizethesecomments.Accordingtofatacceptors,
anycriticismofaperson'sweightisfatshaming.Accordingtofathaters,anythinglessthanfatshamingis
unacceptable.
permalink
[] samsterlicious 0points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

changedifIdidn'thearhowdisgustingandunhealthyIwas.
ifyou'rereallydedicatedtothecausethenuploadavideoofyougoingaroundridiculingfatpeopleandtellingthem
howdisgustingtheyare
permalink
[] USOutpost31 1point

You'vesuccessfullyputtheblameforyourfatwaysontosomeoneelse,congratulatedtryoutownsenseofcharacter
forbeingabletoriseabovecoldhardreality,andpattedyourselfonthebackforessentiallynotbeingfat.
You'requiteunlikable.Probablyarealtreatatwork,bumblingaboutinsnarkyways.
Please,gobacktofoodandcouch.
permalink
[] GoofyHeffalump 1point

Idon'twantanyonetopatmeonthebackforonlyeatingasmuchasIneednow.Neveraskedforthat.You'rethe

onejumpingtoconclusionsaboutmyworkandotherthings.
permalink
[] ItsObviousYouMoron 6points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

I'mgladyoufixedyourproblem.
OPisnotencouragingacceptanceandcuddling,butencouragementtoimprove.
Whenyouwerefatandrealiseditwasaproblem,didyoueverfeelisolated,judged,likepeopledidn'twantyou
aroundandweredisdainfulofyou?Ifnot,doyouacceptthatothersmight?
SohowdoyouthinkithelpspeopleI'dwereinforcethoseharmfulthoughts?Igetthatforsometheypresenta
motivationtochange,butforothers,Ihaveeveryconfidencethatitincreasesthepsychologicalissuesthatcould
haveledtocompulsiveeatingandpoorimpulsecontrolinthefirstplace.
Honestyhelpspeople
permalink
[] Redplant96 1point[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

There'sadifferencebetweenhatredandbeingtoldthatthisisunhealthyandunappealingetc.
permalink
[] abdel_abu 11points

hearingfromalltheseotherpeoplehowobesitywasunhealthyandyes,unappealingtotheeye
Thishasnothingtodowithhate,however.
permalink
[] IntellegentIdiot 1point

Yeah,doesn'tseemlikeanyonehatedhim
permalink
[] filthy_casul 18points

Jesus,Ihatethiscomment.No,hatreddidn'thelpyou.Youwereconstantlytoldthatyouwerefinethewayyouwere,
whichismiseducationand100%false.Onceyouknewthetruth,andacceptedit,youchanged.There'sadifference.
permalink
[] GoofyHeffalump 1point

Wellitcertainlydidhelpmerealizethetruth.Inthatwaythebluntness/hatredwhateveryouwanttocallitdidhelp.
permalink
[] filthy_casul undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Whatyoudescribedwasnothatred.Justbecauseyouwereoffendeddoesn'tmakeithatefulormalicious.
permalink
[] Ifeelveryattacked 2points

That'showitwasforme.InmyearlytwentiesIwasallaboutthebulkshitfatacceptance.ThenIhadkidsandhadto
actuallynotbelazyandtheweightstartedcomingoffandthetakeoutwaslessandless.OnceIrealizediwasn't
trulyokayatanysizeIstarteddoingsomethingaboutit.
permalink
[] filthy_casul 4points

That'sstilldifferent.Fatacceptanceisaweird,cultlikefollowingbasedondelusionandignorance.Italsoseemslike
allyouneededtodowaseducateyourself,andonceyouunderstoodthenyouchanged.Youdon'tneedtobecalled
subhumantowakethefuckup,jesus,whyisthisevenanargument?

permalink
[] buunbuun 9points

Ihadasimilarsituation.Igotmadefunofbyachickforbeingfat.Iwas5'1",151pounds,andnowI'mdownto123.
Inmyopinion,Iwasn'tthatfat,shewasjustafuckingbitch,butmyplanwastoloseitallandthenthrowitinher
fuckingbitchfaceandthenask"Who'sfuckingfatnow,bitch?"
Butyeah,justgenerallyeatinghealthier,running,walking,yoga,dancing,alittleweightlifting,etc.
permalink
[] cleffard undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

It'sthankstoherthatyou'renowahealthiersize,somaybeyoushouldn'tbesoquicktocallherabitch.You'rea
betterpersonforknowingher
permalink
[] frostygrin 0points

Whyissomechick'sopinionmoreimportanttoyouthanyourown?
permalink
[] ClungeCreeper321 9points

There'sadifferencebetweenbeingbluntwithfatpeopleinaconstructiveway,i.efriends/relativespointingoutthey
haveputonweight,andwhatwasgoingoninthatsub.Thatsubwasoneofthemostcringiest,saddestplacesI've
everseenontheInternet.Thetopfivecommentsoneverythreadwerethesame,"MuhCundishins""MuhGenetics"
"Somethingsomethingfeefees"Thekarmabonerswerehardasfuck.
Itwasgenuinelyembarassingtoseethecommentsundersomefatparkourkidsvideo,theonewhodiedlastyear
sometime,"Onedown500milliontogoetc"
Ithinkredditdidthemafavourbanningthatplace,I'dliketothinktheywouldsearchforpersonalaccomplishment
andsatisfactionwithlifenowtheycan'twastetheirtimefillingthevoidoflonelinesswithredditandinsteadwith
somethingrealandimpressive.
Nopethey'lljustsetupanewsubandthehatredwillbeworsethanbefore.Poorbastards
permalink
[] MandMcounter undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Itwasgenuinelyembarassingtoseethecommentsundersomefatparkourkidsvideo,theonewhodiedlastyear
sometime,
What?
permalink
[] ms_abominable 15points

Itotallygetwherebothofyouarecomingfrom,butIfelttheneedtochimein.I'moverweightandhavebeenfor
mostofmylife.RecentlyIstartedlookingthroughFPHandlikeyou,wasinitiallydisgusted.ThenIrealizedthatwow,
IwasbeingevenmorehatefultoMYSELFthananyofthoseposts.Ithelpedmetakethathatefulinnervoice,
disembodyitandexorciseit.
Allthatsaid,thetimingissuchthatI'mnowgoingtothegymtocontinuesomephysicaltherapyroutinesIwas
receivingduetoacaraccident.Withthestrengthtraining,theweightisstartingtocomeoff.
IsthisaFPHsuccessstory?NotreallyifI'mhonest,butIagreewiththesentimentthatdifferentthingsmotivate
differentpeople.Sometimesyouhavetostaretheuglyjudgmentalshitdownandseeitinyourselfbeforeyoucan
quietthatinnermonologueandheal.
permalink

[] beefJeRKyLB 8points

Igetwhatyou'resayingbutFPHwasnotaboutthat.Itwasaboutbigotry.AndIusedtobearegularonFPS(stories
gottediousafewmonthslater).
Ifyouaren'tinshape,youshouldbetold.Whetheryouwanttodoanythingaboutitisyourprerogative.
permalink
[] Ifeelveryattacked 7points

That'swhatgrindspeople'sgearsthough.Becausethat"ifyouaren'tinshapeyoushouldbetold".I'mprettysurefat
people,knowtheyareunhealthyanddon'tneedastrangertellingthem.Ihadajuiceheadcomeuptomeatthegym
andtrytotellmeIwasunhealthy.Gavehimthecraziestlookandtoldhimnoduhthat'swhyimhereatthegym.It's
justnotnecessaryandcomesacrossaspatronizing.Like,dude.Weknow.
permalink
[] beefJeRKyLB 2points

Yeahthereshouldbeabalanceandasarule,youshouldn'ttellstrangers.Butfamilyandfriendsneednotbepolite.
permalink
[] Ifeelveryattacked 1point

Agreewholeheartedly.I'dfeellikefamilydidn'tcareiftheystayedsilentforsure.
permalink
[] tyroneking 3points

IhadthesameexperiencenoonetoldmeIwasoverweightuntilIsawafriendaftermanyyearsandfirstthinghe
saidwasthatIwasfat.Thankgodforhim!
permalink
[] MandMcounter undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Didyoureallynotknow,though?Honestly?
permalink
[] tyroneking undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

IdidseeitbutIdidnotrecogniseitasaproblematallsomehowIwashappy(butlonely)andnoonereallystood
backandsaid'woahdude,wtf?!'WithouthisinterventionIwouldhavecarriedonuntilitwastoolatetoloseeasily,
seriously.Iffphwasawakeupcallforjustafewpeoplethenitwasworthitandcertainlysomethingworthhavingto
opposehaes.
permalink
[] Str8tuptrollin 1points

IfthisguyhadeverlefttheUSthanhe'dknowmanyculturesfatshameanditisaneffectivemethod
permalink
[] nxqv 20points

That'smarkedlydifferentfromwhatFPHwasdoing.Thoseguyswouldroundupfatpeopleandgastheminchambers
iftheycould.
permalink
[] terriblyvexed undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thatseemslikeabitofanexaggeration...
permalink
[] Ifeelveryattacked 4points

Theypersonallyattackedpeopleindividually.That'swhythosewhinerswerebanned.AndIarewiththeabove
stamenslol.<3
permalink
[] GoofyHeffalump 2points

WellIguesswetookawaydifferentthingsfromthesubthen.Ineverclaimeditwasall,100%goodeither
permalink
[] Afunfact 2points

Whetheritmotivatespeopletoloseweightisincidental,theprimaryfunctionandreasonforthatsubredditisto
facilitatebullying.Everypersonwhocontributestothatsubredditisabullyattractedbythemobmentalityofpicking
onthosetheyperceivetobeweakerthanthemselves.
permalink
[] ButterApe 2points

Idon'tthinkit'snecessarilyridiculethatneedstohappen,butinsteadhonesty(inareasonableway).Obesityisnot
healthy.Thosewhoarefatshouldn'tbeshamedforit,butlet'snotsimplyembraceitasfactandhighfivethemforit.
permalink
[] St0kka 4points

Iagreewiththis,hatingmyoldselfisoneofthemainforcesdrivingmetobebetter.Hatehelpedmealot.
permalink
[] mhende 14points

Itwastheoppositeforme.WhenIhatedmyselfIdidntwanttotakecareofmybody,whywouldI?Myreasoning
wasthatIwasalreadydisgustingandevenifIlostweightmybodywouldneverbeanythingbutdisgusting.WhenI
hadachildIlost80lbs(stillinprogress,hadsecondchild)becauseIstartedtoloveandrespectmybodyforthe
thingsitdoesforme,notthewaythatitlooked.(Likegrowandnourishbabies,andkeepmealiveandstuff).
Forsomepeoplemaybehatingthemselvesworks,butIworrythatthesepeopewilljustfindsomethingelsetohate
aboutthemselveswhentheyloseweightbecauselosingweightdoesntfixyouinside.
permalink
[] St0kka 1point

Fairenough,it'snotgoingtoworkforeveryone,butsomepeopleusethehatetomotivatethemselves,Idon'tthink
it'soktouseitonanyoneotherthanyourselfthough.
permalink
[] mhende 3points

Thatsthething.Ithinkitsfinetohaveasublikethatforpeoplewhowantit.Iftheywanttopretendtheyrejust
tryingtohelpmotivateanyonebesidesthemselvestomakethemselvesfeelbetter,okIguess.Butapperentlythey
gotbannedforgoingintoprogresspicstomakefunofpeoplefornotlosingenoughweightbeforepostingapicture
andthenharassingsaidperson.Alsoapperentlytheydoxxedimgurstaffwhichledtotheban.
permalink
[] St0kka 2points

YeahIagree,Ithinkit'sbullshitthattheyharassedpeople,andthoseusersshouldhavebeenbanned.
permalink
[] pcopley 1points

Yeahthatwasnonsense.

Ifbeingfatandlazyiscelebratedthateliminatesahugemotivationtobebetter.
permalink
[] FiveDiamondGame 19points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Therearetwotypesoffatpeople.Thosewhoeatcausetheyliketoeatandlackgeneralselfcontrolandthosewho
earbecausetheysufferfromldepressionorothermentalissues.Hatecanhelpwiththefirstone.Butitwillonlyhurt
andkickthedepressedfatpeopleintotheground.You'renothelpinganyone.You'rebeingadick,andexcusingyour
shittybehaviorbysayingyou'redoingitfortheirowngood.
permalink
[] phjorg 1points

Allfatpeoplesuffermentalillness.Sothereisreallyonetype.
permalink
[] brazzy42 1points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thatisabizarresimplification.Therearealsohormonalissueswhichcanbecausedbyanythingfromgeneticsto
medication,whichmassivelyimpactyourbody'sabilitytocontrolfoodintake.Inextremecases,peoplefeel
ravenouslyhungryallthetimenomatterwhattheyeat,andcriticizingthemforlackof"generalselfcontrol"wouldbe
extremelyihumane.Andit'saslidingscalebetweenthatandtheluckypeoplewhowillactuallyloseweightiftheyjust
eatwhenthey'rehungry.
permalink
[] GoofyHeffalump 2points

ActuallyIthinkthatinordertoevenstartfixingyourproblem,ifthatiswhatyouwanttodointhefirstplace,then
youdefinitelyneedtoknowthecausefirstright?LikeIsaid,allthecoddlingandsugarcoatinghadledtomyobesity
anddepressionthatcamewithit.BydepressionImeantherealthing,diagnosedandIgotsomemedicationtohelp
mewithit.Howeverwhathelpedmefarmorewastherealizationthatthepeoplewhohadbeenenablingmewere
wrongandthefewthatdaredtellmethetruthwereactuallyright.
IfIhadn'tgottenanyhateinthefirstplaceIwouldprobablyhavecontinuedtobedepressedandperhapsworse.I
amgladIwaskickedtotheground.Itwasthesinglebestthingthathashappenedtomeinmylife.Soitcertainly
helps,andtherearealotofpeopleinFPHwithsimilarstoriesorwhowillatleastagreewiththissentiment.
permalink
[] mhende 2points

Thereisadifferencebetweendepressionandmajordepressibedisorder.Onenevergoesaway,evenwiththeright
motivationandisachronicconditionthatmustbemanaged.
Itispossibletotellsomeonethetruthwithoutbeinghateful.
permalink
[] FiveDiamondGame 14points

Fatpeopleknowwhythey'refat.That'snotamystery.Formost,FPHI'dahorrible,hurtfulplace.Justcauseacouple
peopleareokaywithitdoesn'tmakeitokay
permalink
[] suchahotmess 9points

There's"I'mfatbecauseIeattoomuchanddon'tmovearoundenoughtoburntheextracalories,"whichispretty
muchalwaystrue.
Butthere'sprettymuchalwaysanotherlayertoit"thisiswhatwasnormalinmyfamilysoIneverthoughtabout
it","I'mdepressedandselfmedicating","myrelationshipwithfoodhasreachedanaddiction",etc.Noneofthose

shouldbeusedasexcusesbutthey'revalidandcommonreasons,andyouneedtobeabletoresolvethatproblem
beforeyoucanreallyhandlethefirst.
permalink
[] GoofyHeffalump 1points

Ifacouplepeoplecanuseitasmotivationtoloseweightanddrasticallyimprovetheirqualityoflifethenyes,itdoes
makeitokayinmyeyes.FortherestIthinkit'sbestiftheyjuststayawaythen.Rememberthatwasalwaysan
option,justdon'tgothereifitisn'tdoingitforyou.
permalink
[] copycat undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thatsubwasn'tmeanttohelpanyfatpeopleloseweightbuttomakethosewhowenttoittofeelsuperior.
Sorry,Ididn'twanttocoddleyourstupiditybynottellingyouthat.
permalink
[] Dwelven 9points

There'sahugedifferencebetweenhavingsomeantspokingatthefoundationofyourbeliefsandonlyhavingpeople
aroundyouthatdespiseyouforwhattheythinkyouare.Don'targueonthistopiclikeyouunderstanditbecauseyou
hadpeoplebehindyouandthatmakesALLthedifference.
permalink
[] fluorihammastahna 8points

Damn,tellingsomeonetotakecareoftheirweightwhichhelpedmanyofusisnothatingthem!
permalink
[] Sytadel 75points

Itwasn'tuntilIstartedhearingfromalltheseotherpeoplehowobesitywasunhealthyandyes,unappealingtothe
eye,thatIstartedtorealizethecold,hardtruth.
Ifpeoplearebeinghonestwithyouaboutyourweight,that'sasignofrespectandlovenothate.
Ithinksometimeswethinkoffatacceptanceastheoppositeoffathate.That'snottrue.Tellingafriendyou're
concernedabouttheirhealth,tellingsomeoneyouloveyou'relosingyourattractiontothembecauseoftheirweight
that'sacceptanceoftheirhumanity.That'sbelievingtheycanchangeiftheywantto,andthattheydeservebetter
thanthelifethey'vegot.
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[] Jivatmanx 7points

tellingsomeoneyouloveyou'relosingyourattractiontothembecauseoftheirweight
Ijustcan'timaginehowtellingthistoawomanisevergoingtogodownwell.Theycouldverywelllosetheweight,
butthenstillresentyoufornot'accepting'them,andstartlookingforsomeoneelse.
IngeneralIthink'toughlove'onlyworksonmen.There'sareasonyoudon'tseearticleslikethisinwomen's
magazines:https://www.tnation.com/blogs/fatshameyourself
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[] 2_Suns 45points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Iagreewithyou100%
Ilost75lbaftermybestfriendsAsianmotherlaughedandtoldmeIhadgottenfatincollege,andthatshedidn'tjave
enoughfoodfordinnerifiwasjoiningthem.
Haven'tregainedalbandamveryhappywithmyhealthynewlifestyle

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[] WindomEarlesGhost 12points

That'snothatredthough,shedoesn'twishdeathuponyouandkickyououtifherhousewhiletryingpushyouin
frontofbus.Beinghonestandthevitriolthatfphspewedaretwodifferentthings.
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[] eatstars 1points

Youshouldhavecalledthepoliceifyousawthis.
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[] 2_Suns 3points

It'sstillfatshaming
Justnot"hate"
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[] zach_and_jenny undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

What'sthebigdealwith"shaming"thesedays?
Iusedtowearthosefuckingridiculousjeansthatwerewiderthanmyfeetuntilsomeonetoldmehowutterly
ridiculousIlooked.Didthey"jeanshame"me,or"fashionshame"me?Yes?No?Whocares.Ineededsomeonetosay
somethingtomeorIwouldhavegonealotlongerlookinglikeaclown.
"Shaming"someoneforsomethingtheyhavecompleteandtotalcontroloverissometimesjustwhattheyneed.And
itshould'tbecalled"shaming"itshouldbecalledtelling.
permalink
[] nxqv 39points

That'sprettydifferentthantellingyouyou'reaworthlessPOS,thatyoudeservetodie,etc.
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[] citn undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

i'drathersomeonesayallofthatBSthansay,"sorrywedon'thaveenoughfoodtofeedyou."
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[] 2_Suns 20points

It'sstillfatshaming
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[] eganisdone undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Homie,fphtolddepressedpeopletokillthemselves.
There'sabigdifferencebetweensomeoneyouknowtellingyouthatyou'vegainedweightandpeopleontheinternet
doingit.Ifyouknowsomeonepersonallyyoucangetaprettygoodgraspoftheirintentions,eveniftheysay
somethingshitty.Online?Notatall.Orifyoudothey'reusuallyreallybadintentions.
I'veseenthisideaalotlately,thattheoppositeofdisingenuouscoddling(youlookfine,havethispizza)isfphand
vitriolbutitsnot.It'sjusthonesty,ineitherdirection.Nobodyneedstohear"you'reafatpieceofshit"from
strangers.Atworsttheyneedhonestyandthenadvice.
It'sareallyshittycounterjerkthatpeopleareformingandIhopeitdoesn'tlast.
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[] tryingtomakeit9 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

ArethereanyscreenshotsofFPHtellingpeopletokillthemselves?It'soneofthosethingsI'veheardsinceyesterday

butseennoevidenceoforheardanythingaboutbeforethen.
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[] gologologolo undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Exactly.I'mreallygladthosejerksareplanninganexodus.Geniusideatodegradeallcontentonthereddit
alternativesite.
permalink
[] Andyk123 2points

Yeah,butnotthekindwe'rediscussing
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[] 2_Suns 2points

Sotherearevaryinglevelsoffatshaming,andsomewherealongthegradientfromacceptancetohateisaninvisible
linethatitisnotokaytocross?
Whereistheline?Whodecideswherethelineis,andhow?
Isthereeveracircumstancethatitismoreappropriatetocrossthatlinethanothers?
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[] Andyk123 0points

Areyoujoking?"Obesityisanunhealthylifestyle"vs"Ihopeyoufuckingdieyoupieceofshit"?BUTWHERE'STHE
LINE??!!?
permalink
[] 2_Suns 0points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thereisahugegapbetweenthosestatements.
Whatifthepersonsaid"yourdisgustingandyourgoingtodieifyoudon'tloseweight"
NowweareinthegreyareaImentioned.
Theproblemisthatredditisdrawingthelinearbitrarily.
permalink
[] Kamishini 1points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thelineiswhentheyfuckingwanttokillpeopleoverit,seriouslyitsnotthathardtocomprehend.
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[] spammo5 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

What,really?SowhataboutAtheism?TheantiWBC,antiNazi,etcsubreddits?Orisitbecausetheydon'tusethe
wordhate?
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[] filthy_casul 7points

Exactly.Theycalledpeoplefuckingsubhumanoverthere.It'sdisgusting.
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[] Frognosticator 0points

AndIthinkthat'sthedistinctionsomepeoplearemissing.
Encouragingsomeonetoloseweight,anddoingitcomingfromaplaceofconcern,respect,andlove,istotallyfine.
Tellingsomeonethey'refatjusttospitethemishorrible.
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[] Stalked_Like_Corn 1point

Ihavetoagreewithyou100%.Sometimes,ittakestheassholestoprodyouintodoingsomethingbecause,likeyou,
Iwasneverreallytoldtheharshtruthbymyparentsorfamily.They'dgivemethelittletalksbutthenoffermethe
samestufftoeat.
Imeanthisliterally.WhenI'dgostayatmyGrandmothersforacoupledays,Iwouldsitinthefloorandwatchsoap
operasandMama'sFamilyandGoldenGIrlswithherandshe'dtellmethatIshouldexercisesomeandtrytolose
someweightandthenthenextsentencebeingtooffertomakemeaTotinos,grabmeaglassofPepsiandtellme
thereweresomeOreo'sinthecookiejar.
MyMomownedabusinesswhenIwasyoungandtomakeupfornotseeingmeoften,letmeeatwhateverIwanted.
Iwas12andeatinghalfacartonoficecreamafterdinnerbecauseshejustwantedmetobehappy.Shelatertoldme
sheregrettedthehelloutofthisandblamedherselfformyweight.
Asfarasallthisbanningbusiness,Iwholeheartedlydisagreewiththembeingbanned.Weremostofthemassholes?
Yep.Whenivisited/r/allandsawsomethinginthatsub,Ijustdownvoteditwithoutreadingitbecausefuckthose
guys.However,theyhavearighttosayit.Theyhavearighttopostit.WhatIdon'tgetiswhatRedditexpectedto
happenfromthisbanning?It'ssoarbitrarytogetridofitandnotthedozensofothersthatdotheexactsamething.
permalink
[] mhende 11points

Ifeelliketheydidntneedtobebanned,butwhycantanyoneseethedifferencebetweentellingsomeone
"Listen.Youareobeseanditiskillingyou.Weloveyouandyouneedtoloseweight"
And
"lolfuckinhamplanet,youareadisgustingpieceofshitandicantwaituntilyoudiesothatMyeyesdonthavetobe
assaultedbyyournastyassgiantbodythatisonlyvaugelyhumanshapedatthispoint."
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[] Stalked_Like_Corn 0points

Becausethatsecondone,canbeavoided.Don'tgointotheirsub(s).Ifyouseeitinanotherplace,downvoteitand
movealone.They'rewords.Youknowhowyoudealwithsomeonewhowantstoyellandscreamandshoutstufflike
this?Youjustletthem.Peoplehavebecomesoincrediblythinskinnedthatpeoplewhospoutthiscanhurtthem.
Whynot,instead,teachpeoplethatthereareassholesoutthereandhowtodealwithit.Ignoreit.Thosepeoplewill
eventuallygettiredofyellingandscreamingtonooneandstop.Also,nowthatthey'vebannedthatsubreddit,the
first34pagesof/r/allisnothingbutfatpeoplehate.Sothey'vedonetheoppositeofwhattheywanted.Well,notall
fatpeoplehate.SomeisdirectedtowardsTaoorwhateverhernameis.
Wejustneedtostopbeingsoeasilyoffendedasapeople.I'maveryfatguy.~450poundskindoffat.I'vebeen
calledallsortsofnamesmyentirelife.Sometimes,yeah,itcanstarttostingabitbutIalwaysremember,Icanlose
weightandbethin.They'llalwaysbeanasshole.Ihavefriends,family,abeautifulwife.Nothinganyonesayscan
makemethinkI'mnotworthloving,knowing,orcaringforbecauseIgotaslewofpeoplewhoshowmeeveryday
thatIamworthit.
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[] Kamishini 4points

Becausethatsecondone,canbeavoided.
Youpointismootsincetheytargetedpeopleoutsidethesub.
permalink
[] spammo5 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Theysourcedpicturesfromoutsidetheirsub,butatnopointdidtheylinkoutsidethesuborpostanypersonal
information.
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[] mhende 1point

I'mnotsurewhyyoujustthrewa3paragraphargumentatmeaboutwhythesubshouldntbebanned.Ihonestly
dontcare.Letpeoplehavetheirweirdhobbies,I'mjustnotgoingtoeatthebullshitwhenyoufeedmetheline"oh,
we'rejusttryingtohelppeople."
Noyou'renot.Somepeopleinherentlyhavealittlemeanstreakandthereisnootherwaytogetitoutnowadays.
Whatever.
permalink
[] Stalked_Like_Corn 1point

BecauseIwasundertheimpressionthatIwashavingadiscussionwithsomeone.I'llleaveyoube.
permalink
[] spinachsupreme 20points

Iamalsoaformerfatperson.Sayingnothingtosomeoneyoucareaboutisenabling.InretrospectIwishthat
someonehadsaidsomethingbutnobodydid.MymomalwayskeptthehousestockedwithsodaandLittleDebbie
snacks.OnceImovedofftocollegetheweightjustfelloffandthenIstartedgettingintolifting.
permalink
[] MegaZambam 5points

There'samiddlegroundbetweenhateandnotsayinganything.Betweenmyjuniorandsenioryearsofhighschool,I
wentthroughaperiodofcomforteating.Igainedaseriousamountofweight.Whenschoolstarted,somepeople
treatedmelikeIwasalesserpersonbecauseofit.That'shate.Afriendpointedoutapicturefromthepreviousyear
andsaidthatIwasskinnierthenandshouldhitthegymtogetbackthere.Hewasn'thating,buthewasn'tenabling
either.
permalink
[] themusicgod1 0points

Thewaytofindthemiddlegroundisnottosilence100,000sofpeoplewhoyoudisagreewith,though.Thatisa
guaranteedpathtomoreextremism.
permalink
[] MegaZambam 5points

Ineversaidanythingaboutthecensorshipgoingon.Redditprovedtodaythatifyoutrytosilenceagroup,theyfind
waystomakemorenoise.Ihonestlydon'tcareaboutanyofthat.BoththepersonIrepliedto,andthepersonthey
repliedto,implytherearetwooptions:hateorenabling.Andthat'sjustnottrue.
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[] themusicgod1 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

implytherearetwooptions:hateorenabling.Andthat'sjustnottrue.
True,there'salwaysamiddleground.Andithasalittletodowiththerelationshipbetweenthevalueofindividual
peopleandtheidealsweholdsocietyatlargeupto.
permalink
[] Nick357 36points

Gettingmadefunofforbeingscrawnyandweakasaboydrivesmetobethestrongestandfittestofmypeerseven
nowthatIaminmy30s.Ileavetheminthedust.

permalink
[] frostygrin 1points

Dotheyevencare?Andiftheydon'twhydoyoustillcare?Shouldn'tyou,inyour30s,carelesswhatpeoplesay
aboutyou?
permalink
[] Nick357 2points

WellnowIgenuinelyenjoyitasahobbymorethanasameanstocomparemyselftoothers.Itisstillnicetobein
enviableshapebutImostlylovepushinglimitsandtheselfdiscipline.
permalink
[] filthy_casul 33points

Yep.It'sweird,butIthinkskinnypeoplegetmoredirecthatethanfatpeopledo.Imean,I'veneverseenanyone
insultsomeonebasedontheirobesityinperson,butIseeitallthetimewithskinandbonestypes.
permalink
[] juvenescence 3points

Thatkindofhateisprobablyregional,wherethemajorityofthepopulation,oratleastasignificantportion,isof
unhealthyweight.
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[] filthy_casul 2points

Iagree,butlet'snotpretendfatistheonlyunhealthyweight.I'mprobablybiased,becauseIamnotorhavenever
beenfat,butIwasaskinnyweaklingandthatwasjustasunhealthy.istillatelikeshit,Ijustneverputonweight.
Samewithbeingskinnyfat,oranythingreally.Especiallywithinstanceslikefph,itwasabunchofunhealthy
skinnyfatloserstryingtofeelbetteraboutthemselvesbyhatingontheonlygroupthat'slesshealthythantheyare.
AndI'mnotevenincludingmentalhealth.
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[] aselbst undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thefactthatyou'renotfatisprobablywhyyounevernoticedfatpeoplegettinghate.Notsayingskinnypeopledon't,
butyoucan'treallyassumeyouhaditworsebasedonyourexpereince.
permalink
[] juvenescence 0points

Uh,I'mnotevenarguinganythinghere.
permalink
[] Nick357 19points

Itotallyagree.Iwas5'11"and122poundswhenIjoinedthearmyat20yearsofage.Ithinkmostpeopletreated
mewithdisgustandcontempt.IhopeIcanpassmyloveoffitnessontomysonsohedoesn'thavetogothrough
that.
permalink
[] filthy_casul 7points

Ithinkthebestwaytoinspirekidstodofitnessistojust,well,lovefitness.I'mnoexpertonkidsbyanymeans,I
don'tevenknowifIwantkids,butparentsarethebiggestinfluenceintheirlivesandthey'lloftentryandimitate
whattheirparentsdo.SoI'dimagineiftheysawyoulovingfitnessandnutrition,they'dfollowalongthesameroute
butwhatthefuckdoIknowaboutkidsanyway.
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[] Nick357 1point

ThisIcando.Ievenhavehomegym.
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[] AdumbroDeus 104points

There'sadifferencebetweensaying"it'sunhealthytobeobese"andrainingabuseonthem.
Thelatterstatisticallyrarelyworks,itgenerallyjusttendstomakepeopledepressedabouttheirweightandlose
motivation.Ifitworkedforyou,thenyou'reanexception.
AlsoIhesitatetoassociatebeautywithbeinghealthybecausewhilemalebeautystandardsaregenerallyhealthy,
femalebeautystandardsareemaciated.Nottomentionthedrivetobebeautifuldrivespeopletodosomevery
unhealthythings.
Muchbettertoemphasizehealth.
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[] jackerlus 0points

Alotofitisn'trainingabuseinthewayyouthinkitisthough...I'mnotsureyouunderstoodthesub.Alotofit
(obviouslytherewereexceptionsthatIdidn'tagreewith)wasshamingpeoplewhothoughtthatbeingobesewasa
healthystandardand"beautiful".Andthat'sbullshit.It'smakingpeoplethinkthatbeingunhealthyisgood,andweall
knowthat'swrong.Now,peoplewhoknowthey'refatandareworkingtoremovethatadjectivearepeopleIhighly
respect,thatwouldtakededicationandmotivationthatIoftendon'thave.
permalink
[] modestproposal undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Bullshit.ThatlastsentenceyouwrotewouldhaveyoubannedfromFPHforbeinga"fattysympathizer".
permalink
[] AdumbroDeus 1point

Evenso,that'sjustcounteringanunhealthyimpressionwithamoreunhealthyimpression.
permalink
[] Jack_Merridew_ 1points

Thelatterstatisticallyrarelyworks
Source?
FPHiswasnotasubreddittoeducateormotivatefatpeople,obviously.Sowhywouldtheysayencouragingwordsto
peoplewhoareoverweight?Ifsomebodydoesn'tlikeit,don'tclickonit,donotgotothesub!Thereareplentyof
moreoptions,i.er/fitnessr/loseitetc.
It'sapparentthatthepeoplepostedonFPHdidn'thaveanymotivationtobeginwithortheywouldn'tbe
obese/morbidlyobese.Theychosethislifestyleforthemselves.Thereisthesmallpercentagethatgenuinelyhavea
serioushealthissueandactuallytrytosolvetheproblem.
Didyoueverevenvisitthesub?I'mthinkingnot...Butifyoudid,youwouldknowthatagoodamountofpostswere
offemalestakingselfies,wearingveryskimpyclothingandboastingabouthowgoodtheylooked.Thiswasfollowed
byamillionhashtagsofthempraisingtheirbodies.
Inmyopinion,someofthepicturesweredownrightinfuriating.Examples:Takingup2seatsonatrainwhilea
mothercaringheryoungchildhadtostand.Callingfit,healthyfemalesonSocialMedia(nota"privatecorporation"
EllenPao,suchasreddit)"anorexic"orto"eatsomething"amongsoooomanyotherexamples.
Ohhhh,somalescanbebeautifulandhealthy,soyou'resaying.BUTifafemaleisattractiveandemaciatedhealthy

it's,let'ssay,mostlikely(?)because:
thedrivetobebeautifuldrivespeopletodosomeveryunhealthythings.
Sorry,Icannotagreewithyourdoublestandards,whichyouwroteinyourownwords.Oryourassumptionthatsome
femalespeoplecannotbeobese(youknow,nothealthy?)withoutdoing"unhealthythings",whichIcanimaginewhat
youarereferringto.
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[] AdumbroDeus 2points

Source?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2866597/
It'sapparentthatthepeoplepostedonFPHdidn'thaveanymotivationtobeginwithortheywouldn'tbe
obese/morbidlyobese.Theychosethislifestyleforthemselves.Thereisthesmallpercentagethatgenuinelyhavea
serioushealthissueandactuallytrytosolvetheproblem.
Itfeedsstigmatizationwhichinturnfeedsunhealthyhabits.
Sorry,Icannotagreewithyourdoublestandards,whichyouwroteinyourownwords.Oryourassumptionthat
somefemalespeoplecannotbeobese(youknow,nothealthy?)withoutdoing"unhealthythings",whichIcan
imaginewhatyouarereferringto.
ActuallywhatI'mreferencingisthefactthatthesocialimageoffemalebeautyisasize0,whichforthevastmajority
ofwomenisthintothepointofbeingdangerous.
Werefemalebeautifulstandardsclosertomalestandardsandacceptingofthingslikemusclemassitwouldn'tbeas
muchofanissue.
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[] Jivatmanx 1point[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Itfeedsstigmatizationwhichinturnfeedsunhealthyhabits.
TheU.S.smokingratedidn'tdropbymorethanhalfbecauseofasmokingacceptancemovement.
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[] AdumbroDeus 1point

Noitdroppedbymorethenhalfbecauseofregulationsonsmokingadvertisementtokids.Toendthis,that'spartof
whereweasasocietyneedtolook.Isuspectstigmatizingsmokinginandofitselftendstoproducesimilarissues
amongsmokers.
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[] Jivatmanx 1point

Thepurposeofbanningads,andmoviestarsfromsmoking,wastoturnwhatwaspreviouslyglorificationofsmoking
intostigmatization.
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[] AdumbroDeus undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Butit'sfunctionwastopreventmarketingofthatproducttokids,resultinginfewerbecomingaddictedviabecause
theycouldn'tbrandfutureconsumers.
Socialstigmatizationalonehasdonenothingabouttheobesityepidemic,tofixitweneedtostartwiththe
advertising.Anothermajorissueistherelativecostofcaloriedensefood.
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[] Melbourne43 3points

femalebeautystandardsareemaciated
Medically,it'sthesamedefinition,<25BMI.Thisisinfactmuchharsherformenfortworeasons.Menaretalleron
averageandtheBMIformuladoesn'tcompensateforheightproperly.
Also,menarecompositionallydifferent,theycarrymoremusclewhichiswhyforamanandwomanofthesame
height,themanwillgenerallyweighmore.
Thecombinedeffectofbothoftheseisasmuchas2pointsofstandardBMI.Thisiswhymoremenareconsidered
'overweight'thanwomenincensusdata.
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[] AdumbroDeus 1points

Idon'tmeanBMI,Imeanmenareencouragedtohavemasssocially.Womenareidealizedasasize0.Iamawareof
thosefactorsandhowbmiisaninaccuratesystem.
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[] Melbourne43 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

IthinkwomenareidealizedbyeachothertobeSize0,perhapsmensimilarlyidealizethemselvestohavemass.The
'emaciated'femaleformsaremostlyprevalentinmagazinesreadbyotherwomen,themore'lads'mags'typehave
fullerfiguredwomen.
permalink
[] AdumbroDeus undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ithinkthemajordifferencesbetweenmaleandfemaleimagesoffemaleperfectionisboobsizetbh.Maybeit's
differentintheUKthough,Iwouldn'tbesurprisedifthere'saculturaldifference.
You'recorrectinthatmenidealizeourselvesashavingmoremassthenwomenidealizeus,butthedifferenceis
betweendickgraysonandthehulklevels,bothperfectionshavesomemass.
permalink
[] MissAugusta 11points

TherearedifferentBMIchartsformalesandfemales.Iagree,therearesomelimitationsbutthatgenerallyisn'tone
ofthem.
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[] Muh_Condishuns 3points

Iwantsomeonetoarticulateandprovidedemonstableproofthatcoddlingsomeoneandenablingtheirhabitshelps
themmorethantoughloveordirectcriticism.Iwantpeerreviewedstudiesandevidence.Peopleonthisboardare
veryfondof"hateneverworks".Youhavetobackthatup.Itseemslikemostpeopleabovearesharingstoriesabout
howbluntciritismwastheMOSThelpfulintheirweightlossjourney.
We'vetriedignoringtheobesityepidemic,coddlingthepeoplecontributingtoitandtreatingthemlikehelpless
victims,feedingthemrawdataonskyrocketingobesityrelatedhealthcarecost,childhoodobesityetc.What'syou
solutionthenotherthantogobacktobeingnicewhichneverworkedinthehistoryofhumankind,ever?
permalink
[] sensitive_shit 1point

Alittleacceptanceisgoodforyourhealth:Interpersonalmessagesandweightchangeovertime
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pere.12050/abstract
Haveyoureadanystudiesthatconcludefatshamingishelpfulforweightloss?

Ifananecdoteisenough,Icansaysuchfatshamingattitudesledmetogainweightandunhealthilyobsessabout
foodforyears.Iwasn'tevenchubbybefore.Fatshamingdoesn'tonlyaffectpeoplewhoarefat,especiallyforwomen.
Itcanalsogototheotherextremeanorexiaandbulimia.Nothealthy.
Onthatnote,beforepeopleaccusemeofbeingfat,I'mnotfat.I'mnotevenchubby.ButIhaveempathy.
permalink
[] AeonCatalyst 5points

Irememberoneofthesethreadsfromafewyearsago,wheresomeoneaskediffatshamingworkstogetpeopleto
makehealthierchoices.Andthebestresponsewas:
"itworkedforcigarettes"
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[] AdumbroDeus 12points

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2866597/
Whatyouhavehereisacaseofselfselectionbias.
Thefactisyou'reincorrect,asasocietywedon'tcoddleit,weheavilystigmitizeit,whichtendstoproduceevenmore
unhealthybehaviors.
Theproperresponseasasocietyistochangethesocialfactorswhichcontributetotheepidemic.
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[] yourhero7 1point

Thefactisyou'reincorrect,asasocietywedon'tcoddleit,weheavilystigmitizeit,whichtendstoproduceeven
moreunhealthybehaviors.
Isthisstatementajoke?Whatthehellhappenedwhenwemadesmokingaheavilystigmatizedthing?Didmore
peoplestartsmokingthen?Ordidsmokersswitchtootherthingsthatwereevenmoreunhealthy?
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[] AdumbroDeus 1point

Likelythey'ddoubledownonthehabitandsmokemore.
IfyoulookatthedatafromwhatIpostedthetendencyisforthissortofstigmatizationistoproducefeelingsof
hopelessnessinone'sbehaviorateveryfailure,creatingharmfulbingeingbehavior.AA'smethodologyalsohasthis
issuewhichiswhyit'ssorarelysuccessful.
permalink
[] WindomEarlesGhost 11points

Wheresyourpeerreviewedstudiesthatunmitigatedhatredworks?
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[] Ilikewinter 37points

malebeautystandardsaregenerallyhealthy
Toanextent,yeah.Idoknowsomemusclebroswhoworkasweatjustgoingupthestairsbecausethey'veall
neglectedcardio.Withregardstomen'shealth,weputaridiculousamountofstockinmuscles=fitoverall.Like,
nobodygaveashitwhenIranforthreeyearsandhadexcellentstamina.WhenIstartedsomemildweightliftingit
wasall,"omgyoulooksofit,sohealthy.amazing"
Also,togooffonyourpoint.Ithinkit'stotallypossibletoaddressthehealthconcernsofobesityandberealisticwith
obesepeoplewithoutjustbeing"lolufat."Like.Peopleignoringtheissueisnotasupportnetwork,andneitheris
peopleshamingthepersonforthesakeofputtingthemdown.

permalink
[] redshinyboots 11points

Like,nobodygaveashitwhenIranforthreeyearsandhadexcellentstamina.WhenIstartedsomemild
weightliftingitwasall,"omgyoulooksofit,sohealthy.amazing"
Myhusbandhasatruerunner'sbody:tallandsuperlean.Heissoinsanelyfitcardiovascularwise,butpeoplestilltalk
shitbcheis"skinny".
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[] rutiene undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Myhusbandtoo.He'salsoinsanecausehegetsdefinitionjustlookingatoursquatrack.
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[] Ilikewinter undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Yup.It'sbullshit.Wejudgeawoman'shealthcompletelyonlowbodyfat%andaman'shealthonmuscle
development.
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[] AdumbroDeus 4points

Ah,Icandefinatelyagreethere.Peopleshortcuttingbecausetheiremphasisisonthelookratherthenhealthwhichis
exactlywhybeautyisadangerousthingtoemphasize.
Andyou'recorrect,it'samatterofhowit'shandled.Fatpeoplehateisliterallytheworstpossiblewaytohandleit
becausethistypeofhandlingiscounterproductiveformostpeoplewiththishealthissue.
permalink
[] GoofyHeffalump undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Yeahthereshoulddefinitelybeamiddlegroundpeoplecouldaimfor.LikeIsaidinmyoriginalpost,Iwasonthefar
leftofthespectrumwherepeoplejustpraisedmeforeverythingaboutmyobesity.ThenIheardfrompeoplewho
'rainedabuse'andthat'swhatmademeangry.Itwasthetruthanditmademeangryallthesame.Ineededthatat
thetimeandIfullycreditmywakeupcalltothisotherextremeofthings.LateronI'vegravitatedtowardthemiddle
ofthepackwhereI'mnothatinginanyfatpersonwhomindshis/herownbusiness,butI'malsonotafraidtolay
downthetoughloveifsomeoneasksmewhattheycandoortheyneedit.
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[] bme0508 1point

IwishsomeonehadshamedmewhenIgotreallyfat.Itwouldhavebeenaseriouswakeupcallforme.Itwould
havedonememoregoodthanpeoplelyingandsayingIlookfine.
Ihatefatpeoplebecausemaybesomeoneoutthereactuallyneedsittogetthemstarted.
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[] GoofyHeffalump 1points

Right,I'minthesameboat.Istillfeelabitresentfultowardthepeoplewhocouldn'tbustmychopsearlier.Maybe
theydiditfromaplaceofloveandsoon,stillitdidn'thelp.
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[] mhende 4points

Itsnotamagicbullet.Lookatthehundresdofthousandsofpeoplewhoareteasedtheirwholelifeovertheirweight.
Itseemsliketheresalotof"IwasonlyfatbecausenobodytoldmeIwasntandnobodymadefunofme"goingonin
thisthread,butitjustcomesoffasanotherexcuse.
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Hey,thanksforbeingtheonetosaythis.Itwasthesamewithme.AguyIhadn'tseeninagestoldmeupfront,the
onlyoneinyears,that"Dude,you'refat!"inthemostconsternatedtonepossible,andtoldmeIdidn'tlookgoodany
more.Mademechangemyself.Iwentfromdepressedwithsleepissues,anxietyissues,socialissues,andsoonand
on,toaseriouslyfitguywho'sverycomfortablewithhimselfinamatterofafewyears.Allthankstotheoneperson
willingtobebrutallyhonestwithme.
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Itwasthesamewithme.Iwasalwaysathleticandhighschool,butstartedlettingmyselfgoaftercollege.Workinga
salesjobwheretherewasfreefoodalmosteverydayfollowedbydrinksandpubfoodwithcoworkerseverynight
startedgivingmeaprettyhardcoregut.
FirsttimeIactuallyfeltashamedofmyself,Iwasoutdrinkingwithmyfriends.Attheendofthenightwedecidedto
getsomesamosas,andIaskedforthree.Oneofmyfriendsgavemea"playful"slaponthegutasshesaid,"YeahI
betyoucaneatthreenoproblem".
AfewweeksafterthatIwenttoseemybestfriendandhisgirlfriendafternotseeingthemforareallylongtime.The
looktheygavemeuponseeingmystomachhangoutofanowtoosmallshirtwasenoughtogetmetochangesome
things.
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Andmebutforsmoking.
Ifsmokingwerestillsociallyacceptablemyselfandalotofotherswouldprobablystilldoit.
Butwhenyouaretheonlyonewhostinkslikecigarettes,withcigarettebreath,andonyourclothesandshit,and
nobodyisaroundtosmokewithyou,anditbecomessociallyacceptableforpeopletoopenlycriticizesmokersand
talkabouthowdisgustingitistosmoke...yeahitdefinitelymakesyouwanttoquit.
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[] Morghus undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Iquitthattoo,actually!Welldone!highfive
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[] cjgroveus undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Inmycountry,thesayingis,myyoulook'healthy'.
Everyoneknowswhatitmeans.
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[] mormotomyia 9points

AfriendIknowfromelementarycametomelastSaturdayandsaidthatI,inmybluntupfrontwaytoldhimin34
grade:"Iwishyoutonotbefatsomeday"
Hehitsthegymfor1andahalfyearsandisinbettershapethanIam.Andhelost25kg.
Ithinkthetruthneverhurtsevenifyouthinkithurts.Someoneisbeinghonestandistryingtohelpyou.
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[] offguard 54points

Outrighthatreddidn'tdoanythingforme(eithergoodorbad),butthestoriesIreadin/r/fatpeoplestoriesandareal
criticalbreakdownofthefatlogicdefinitelymademereevaluatehowIapproachedmydietandexercise.

Iwasn'tindenialbefore,reallyIknewIwasfat(Istillamoverweight),butIthoughtIwasdoingthingsrightand
forsomereasontheweightjustwasn'tgoingaway.Itwasallfatlogic,though...Attherootofit,Iknewhealthyfoods
don't"offset"unhealthyfoods,andthatIreallyneededtoquantifymyfoodintake.I'meternallygratefultothose
subredditsforopeningmyeyesandmakingmerealizethatdespitetryingtobelogicalaboutmostotherthingsinmy
life,I'dleftahugeblindspotwhenitcametofoodandexercise.
55lbsdownasoftoday,fourmonthsin.It'sgoingwell.
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[] A_Pile_Of_cats 1point

Huh,thesamehappenedtomeawhileback.Ihaveyettofixalltheissuesyoumentionedthough.
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[] itsme_timd 54points

There'sahugedifferenceinsomeonebeingpointblankwithyouandbeingpubliclyridiculedbypeoplejustlookingto
bemean.FPHandtheothersubslikeitinnowaydoitbecausetheycareaboutfatpeopleandwantthemtobe
healthy,theyjustwanttohumiliatepeople.
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[] Morghus 5points

Oh,Iwasridiculedbythisguy.Otherwiseitwouldn'thavegottenthroughmyarmourofcomplimentsgivenbyothers.
Everyonewantsanechochamber,atsomepoint,forsomething.Everyonewantstoventtheirfrustrationoversome
thing,someplace,asafeplace.
That'swhyIsaidtheyshouldhavegottenawarning,andthenanelaborateexplanationforwhyandwhatthereason
was.Youcan'tcorrectyourbehaviourifit'svagueonwhatthebehaviouris.Apopularexplanationofferedbypeople
whoareguessingwon'thelpanyone.
Nooneisforcedtovisitasubreddit,andIdon'tlookatanyofthoseI'mnotcomfortablewith,orcarefor.Icanlock
myselfinmylittleechochamberanytimeIwant,andnothearanyofthenoise.Brigadingisbad,yeah.
Ihavetomakethisshort.IhopeImadesense.
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[] timag 4points

It'scountertothefatacceptancemovement(thoughIdon'tknowifit'sofficial,butinspirititis).Ofcoursethemost
extremecasesoffatproblems,inconveniencesbyfats,anddelusionalfatsaregoingtobeondisplayandshamedto
thelowestlevel.
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[] enrichmentonly undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

It'snotacountertothefatacceptancemovement.That's/r/fatlogic.
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[] ConciselyVerbose 17points

It'sjusttheothersideofthependuluminresponsetothewavesofsentimentthatbeing400poundsbecauseyou
can'tbebotheredtotakecareofyourselfwarrantsspecialtreatment.
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Arandompersonsomeonehadtodigupontumblrvsasubredditof150kbannedforharassmentandbrigading
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[] eatstars undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Justlikewhenthenewspoststheugliestmugshotstheycanfind.Americaneedstoloseweightandweshouldnotbe
afraidtotalkaboutit.Youhaveobviouslyneversufferedatthehandsofaobeast....Oryouareone....
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[] moseschicken 8points

Thereisadifferencebetweentalkingaboutitandbeingacondescendingdouchebagthatcallspeopleobeastsand
hamplanetsandpretendingit'shelpingthem.
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[] PoopPraetor 2points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

NobodyispretendingthatFPHwastryingtohelppeople.
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[] moseschicken 0points

Fairenough,IguessIhavejustheardpeoplejustifyingtheirridiculeandassumedtheywereFPSposters.
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[] well_golly undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

WhenIvisitJapan,myrelativestherejustcomerightoutandsayit:"You'refat.Youlooklikeyou'reputtingon
(more)weight."Friendsandfamilytherejustcomerightoutandtelloneanotherthatkindofthing.It'slikesaying
"Youlooktired"orsomeotherobservation.Itisn'tmeanttosoundniceatall,butitisn'tkeptquieteither.Oneofthe
leastobese/overweightcountriesintheworld.
HereintheUnitedStates,mydoctorisscaredtotellmeI'mfat.Myowndoctor.She'salmostsurelyhadsome
backlashfrompatientswhohavebeenlivinginabubblewithoutanycriticism.Patientswhothinkthatbeingblunt
abouttheproblemis"shitlording"orwhatever.I'vereadsomearticlesaboutit,anditseemstobevexingthemedical
industryrightnow:Doctorsfeelunabletotalktopatientsforfearthattheirpatientswillgooffontheminarageor
justfindanotherphysician,becauseofanewwidespreadmessage:"Embraceyourobesityl!Justkeeponbeingyou!
(tm)"
WhenIreturnfromJapantrips,I'musuallyverymotivatedtotrytodropafewmorelbs.Myrelativestellmethe
truthandtheydon'tcareifmyfeelingsarehurt.They'llopenlyteaseme,andI'mnotmadatthemforit.I
understandthatintheirmildharassmenttheylovemeandtheywantmetobeOK,ortheywouldn'tcareenoughto
pointitout.Ifindthatformepersonally,ithelps.
Well,thatandtheshowermirrors.Theyhavesquatshowersinmanyoftheirhomesthere,whereyousitonalow
stoolandbathe.Rightnexttoyouisalargemirrornokidding,rightthereintheshowerwithyou!Youcan'thelpbut
getsomeperspectivewhenyouarestaringrightatyourbody,nakedandsquattinginthemostunflatteringposition..
everyday.Ugh.Yeah.I'vegottagologmybreakfastinMyFitnessPalnow.:/
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IsthatbluntnessaboutbeingoverweightkindofanAsianthingingeneral?Justcurious...Iworkwithalotofpeople
fromChina,andtheAmericanborncoworkershereareintheminority.Wellonce,oneofmyAmericancoworkers
(whoisreallyoverweightbutisalsovegetarianandeatsreallysmalllunches)toldmethataChinesecoworkerasked
herhowshestaysfatwhensheeatssuchsmalllunches.AndthecoworkerIdon'tthinkmeantitasaninsultatall.
Justsmalltalkhaha.
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Ialwaysthoughtthisiswhat/r/fatpeoplehateexistedfor.HereintheUS,itisn'tpoliticallycorrecttojustaddress

someone'sweightunlessthey'rethin.Figured/r/fatpeoplehatejustgavepeopleameanstoletitalloutinacontained
area.Idon'tseehowtheywerehurtinganyoneelseunlesspeoplewenttothesubredditandexposedthemselvesto
thehate.
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[] chelseaxrosee undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Iwouldlovetotradedoctorswithyou.Mydoctorisfullappraisedofmyhealthsituation,includingallofthedamage
I'vedoneinternallyfromyearsofeatingdisorder.I'mfinallyataplaceinmylifewhereI'mcomfortablehavingsome
extraweightonmybodyandnotstressingabouteverythingIputonmymouth.Goseegoodolddoc,whoproceeds
totellmeI'mborderlineobese,amlyingaboutmyeatingandexercisebecauseI'vegottentoofat.Sheactuallysaid
thewords"toofat."LuckilyIhaveaSOwhoknowsthesituationandcaughtmebeforeIspiraledoutandstopped
eatingagain,butIstillwishmydoctorcouldhavebeenalittlemoreconsiderate,especiallysincealotoftheweight
I'veputonwasmusclefromactuallyeatingandexercisingregularly,somethingIhaven'tdonein89years.
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It'sfunnyyousaythataboutyourdoctor.IhaveaChinesedoctor(immigratedherewhenshewasyoung),andshe
toldmethatIwasborderlineobesethelasttimeIwentin.Thingis,I'minprettygoodshape.ShelookedatmyBMI,
andassumedIwasoverweight.Inreality,I'maboutfivepoundsawayfromasixpack.
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[] GreenStrong undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Linktoascientificstudythatsupportstheideathatphysiciansdon'ttalktotheirpatientsaboutweight.Ifindit
amazingthatpeoplewhoregularlyhavetogivepeopleterminaldiagnoseshaveahardtimetalkingaboutadifficult,
buttreatableandobviouscondition,butsucharethefacts.Perhapsitwouldbebetterifwerestructuredmedical
billingsothatdoctorsactuallywerepaidtocounselpatients,orifanothermedicalprofessionalwas.
Anecdotal,IhaverelativethroughmarriagewhoareTaiwanese,thereisnotabooabouttalkingopenlyaboutweight.
Theyhityouwithrealtalkassoonastheygetofftheplane:"Sogoodtoseeyou!Imissyousomuch!Yougetvery
fat!IteachyoucookChinesefood,youloseweight".Itsoundsblunttous,butpolitelyavoidingdiscussion,among
familymembers,ofalifethreatening,preventablehealthproblemisactuallythestrangeculturalhabit.
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I'mprettyfondof/r/fatlogicforthereasonthatIthinkthatexcusesandthatsortofthingneedtohavetheholesin
theirreasoningpointedout.Ithinkweneedtorememberthelinebetweeneducation/awarenessandhate.
Thatbeingsaid,thereasonFPHwasbannedwasn'tbecausetheywerehatingonfatpeople,itwasbecausetheywere
startingtotrollandharassoutsideofthesub.Iftheyhadn'tdonethatthenthey'dprobablystillbearound.
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Feelsvs.Reals.
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Ifinditamazingthatpeoplewhoregularlyhavetogivepeopleterminaldiagnoseshaveahardtimetalkingabouta
difficult,buttreatableandobviouscondition,butsucharethefacts.
Nooneis'proud'of,or'feelscomfortablewith'theircancer.
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[] Doudos 2points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Theimportanceofanyoneatalltellingyouthetruthissoeasytounderestimate.I'mintheUKandhadthesame
thingasyouwheremydoctorwasconcerned.Iwas~195poundsandatacheckuplastyear,andIaskedaboutmy
weight,andhetiptoedaroundittellingmeIwasmostlyok,butcouldstandtostartworkingoutabitmore.In
realityIwasamess,Istillam,butnowI'mat165at5'9,andstillimproving,allbecausearandomfriendsaid'you
gainin'weightbro?'Doesn'tseemlikemuchbutitwasamassivekickintheass,justthatoneperson,wheneveryone
elseinmylifehadignoredorencouragedit.
FPHhelpedalongtheway,I'veneverreallysubscribedtothetruefathate,butitwasexcellentmotivationseeinga
placewheresomeonecouldhostpicturesofafatpersonandsay'they'refat.'Therewasalwayspeopleonhandgiving
theactualfactsonlosingweightandwhatweightwasahealthypoint.Theyrarelyifeverbrigaded,althoughIget
howsomepeoplecouldbepissedseeingpostsonr/allfromtimetotime.Theeasysolutionwouldhavebeenforthose
individualstofilterit,butthatwouldn'tbegoodenoughforsome.EitherwayIthinkitwasastepinthewrong
direction.Ifitwasreallyaboutthesite'spublicimage,alltheywouldhavehadtodowasimplementasitewidefilter
fromr/all,neverlettingFPHshowuptononsubs,andletthesubscribershavetheirownspace.
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[] lockmyselfin 13points

asiansarebrutallyhonest!Samewithmykoreanparents.MymomtellsmeI'mfat(andiam).Imworkingonitto
getbetter.
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[] well_golly 13points

Iwouldn'tbesurprisedifmymotherinlawonedaytoldme"Yousoundfat"overthephone.:D
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[] B1inker undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Igetthatfrommygrandmother,shedestroyseveryoneequallyaswesayhello.It'sastoundinghowtheycanfind
thatonethingandjusthammerawayatit.
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Ofcoursethestoriesthatpeopleliketohearareupvoted.Fatshamingbackfiredforme.Iwasn'tevenchubby,but
thefearofbeingfatandnevermeetingthethinidealsleadtodisorderedeatingforyears.Thanksfatshaming.I
gainedweight.Ilostweight.Igainedweight.Ilostweight.Igainedweight.
Thiswasn'thealthy.
InoticedthatthemoreIinternalizedthefatshamingattitudes,themoreunhealthymyeatingwouldbecome.WhenI
wouldstopobsessingovermybody,Iwouldloseweightwithrelativeease.
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Iwouldn'tdescribewhatgoesoninJapanasfatshaming.Comingfromthefamily,it'smoreacombinationofrealism
andconcern."Youlooklikeyougainedweight,"fallsalongthesamelinesas"Putonahat,it'scoldout".It'sjusta
remindertotakecareofyourself.There'sdefinitelymorelovebehinditthanhate.
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Wow,differentpeoplereactdifferentlytothesamesituations.Soinsightful.
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Myentirefamilyisthisway,includingmyself.Itwasn'tuntilIwasfacedwiththingsIcouldn'tdowithnojudgement,
justamatteroffact"Ican'tdocertainjobsI'dliketopursuebecauseI'mfat'thatpromptedmetogetinshape.
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[] dialgatrack undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Youcan'tjusteathealthyandexercise?
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[] Rallabib undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thatsoundsfuckingstupid
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[] HolgerDansker undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

JonahHill?
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[] StopDataAbuse undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Shamingandstatingfactsaredifferent.Thereisnothingshamefulaboutbeingfat.Itisafact,ornot.It'slikewhenI
usedtoskiregularly(alldayeveryweekend).Iusedtohavehugegoggletan.Itlookedlikeshit.Ienjoyedskiing
enoughthatitisworthit.Ifsomeonelegitimatelyenjoyseatingenoughthatbeingabitoverweightisworthitmore
powertothem.
Butthereisahealthymediumbetweenbeingafraidoftalkingaboutitanda"Holyshitdude,everthoughtmaybe
gettingthetopofyourfacetannedyoulooklikeafuckingraccoon."
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[] domdunc undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

yep,there'snomagicalcure.thebestbetistobekindbutnotsugarcoatthingsimo.
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[] well_golly 91points

Ihavenodoubtthatitworksbothways(ormoreexactlyindifferentwaysfordifferentpeople)Ihopemycomment
didn'tcomeoffas"Alloverweightpeopleneedtobeshamedfortheirowngood."
Iwasmoretryingtosaythatalittlefranknessandevenridiculecanpromptsomepeopleintherightdirection.Ifully
agreethatthisapproachcanworktheoppositeeffectforalotofpeople,too.Peoplearecomplicated,andthereare
lotsofwaystoapproachtheproblem.
Sidenote:I'veaddressedthisbeforeinanumberofplacesonReddit,butIthinkabiggerproblemthan"tease/don't
tease"isthefoodlandscapeweareallbeingexposedto.Theaverageitemfromagrocerystoreorrestauranttodayis
nothinglikewhatourgrandparentsorevenparentsate.Overthepastfewdecades,theworldissuddenlybecoming
"stackedagainst"anyonewhowantstoloseweightandkeepitoff.
FromarecentpostingImadeonthesubject:
Oneofthemainthingscausinganationwide(andnowinternational)waveofobesityis"calorieabundance".
TheU.S.fastfoodindustrystarteditallbygettingintoa"mealupsizing"warinthe1970s80s.Sitdownrestaurants
andtakehomeandheatmealsfollowedsuitinordertocompetewiththerapidupswingoffastfood.Thiscoincided
withhugeincreasesinsugarsubsidies(allkinds,corn,canesugar,etc),whichcausedsugartobesprinkledinto
extremelyunlikelyfoods,corruptingthepaletteofmanyAmericans.Atthesametime,prefabfoodvending
companiesbegantotakeovercontractstosupplyschoollunches.Generationswerebeingtaughtthat"sweetened

deepfriednuggetshapedfood"wasthenorm.
Inmyopinion,thereisdefinitelystilla"selfcontrol"aspecttothephenomenon.
Butwedidn'tbecomeanationthatsuddenly"lostselfcontrol"duringthe1970s80s.Nordidourentirenation's
"genetics"suddenlychangeinafewyears.Theseterribleevents(portionincreases,sugarinjection,andbadschool
lunchprograms)convergedatonce.Itwasaperfectstorm,andthatstormisstillraging.
Youcanseeitclearlyhappeninyearoveryearobesityandoverweightfigures.Youcanalsoseethesametrend
happeninginothercountries,butdelayedby1015years.That'sabouthowlongthe"newnormal"inAmerican
menustooktomigrateoutwardintoothermarketsoverseas.Eventhelocalcompaniesintheseforeigncountrieshave
toshiftprioriesto"keepup":Biggermealportions,moresugar,morefrying.
Sothere'sanewfoodlandscape:Mostfoodofferingsusedtobehealthybydefault,butnowthereisgreatperilon
everymenuandineverytakehomeandheatmeal.Itusedtobetherewasverylittleneedfor"selfcontrol"because
weweren'tbeinginundatedwithsomanybadpossiblechoicesateveryturn,andweweren'tbeingsabotagedby
diabolicalfoodwithmisleadingnameslike"HealthyChoice."
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Thisisthedifferencebetweenacultureof'ifyou'reobeseyou'redoingitwrong'andthecultureof'youneedtobe
perfectoryou'reworthless'.
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[] moseschicken 10points

Idon'tagreewithridiculingpeople,butafrankdiscussionisdefinitelyneeded.Youarespotonwithallthefood
problemsthough.IhavehadpatientsintheERorderpizzadeliveryandthedeliverymanactuallydeliveredit!That's
justnotright.
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[] fioradapegasusknight 21points

andthenthere'sstufflikethisthatstacksthedeckevenfurther:
"Sensoryspecificsatietyalsobecameaguidingprinciplefortheprocessedfoodindustry.Thebiggesthitsbethey
CocaColaorDoritosowetheirsuccesstocomplexformulasthatpiquethetastebudsenoughtobealluringbut
donthaveadistinct,overridingsingleflavorthattellsthebraintostopeating."
source:http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/theextraordinaryscienceofjunkfood.html?_r=0
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[] suicideselfie undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

IbelieveitwasPepsithatusedhumanclonalcellsfromfetalstemcellstotasteit'sformula.
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[] well_golly undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thatisanexcellentarticle!
Ialsorecommendthedocumentary"FedUp!"(nowstreamingonNetflixandprobablyavailableatvarioustorrent
sites,too)
Itstudiestheconvergenceofbadinfluencesthatarepoisoningourfoodsupplywithcaloricoverload.Theyinterview
some"fatterthanaveragekids"(becausetheaveragekidisalreadyprettyfatthesedays).Thosekidsfelthelpless.It
washorribletoseethemlikethat.Theinterviewshadmycrying.
They'rejustkidsandthewholeenvironmenttheyliveinisstackedagainstthem.Itwasn'tlikethisfortheir

grandparents'generation,butforthosekidsthisistheonlylifethey'veeverknownsothey'rebaffled,frustrated,
anddeeplyhorrifiedatthiscomplicatedthingthatishappeningtothem.They'rebeingtrainedfromayoungageto
eatlikelivestock,andthereisnoseriouseffortto"unschool"themonthesubjectofdietarycontrol.Eveniftheydid,
theaveragegroceryaisleisaminefieldthesedays.
The"FedUp!"investigationevenshowshowMichelleObama's"Let'sMove!"programhasbeenboughtoff.This
massiveindustry,thefoodindustry,knowsexactlywhattheyaredoing.Theydon'tcarehowmanypeopledieaslong
astheyarecashingbigchecks.Watchthedocumentaryandpreparetobeoutragedandsaddened.
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[] Benefactor03 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

FedUpisoneoftheworsthealthdocumentariesIhaveeverseen.
Directquotefromoneofthe"experts"interviewed:
"Youeat,say,110bitesoffoodaday,andyouonlyburnof109ofthem,you'regonnagetobesein20years.Even
ifthere'saGuinnessWorldRecordholderofcaloriecounting,caloriesintothecaloriesout,nobodycandoit."
Icouldn'tbelievemyearswhenIheardthat.Thewholedocumentaryjusttriestogivefatpeopletheimpressionthat
it'snottheirfaulttheyarefat,it'sthefaultofthegovernmentandfoodproducers,whentheoppositeistrue.
Everyoneknowsthatfastfoodandsodaareawfulforyourhealth,theyjustdon'tcare.
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[] dodgesbullets undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ifyouonlyburnoff109bitesoffoodjusteat109bitesoffood.
Problemsolved.
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[] mz81 19points

fogresistantmirrors!man,japanisreallyfromthefuture.
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[] jimbofisher2010 3points

"MoonPie!Whatatimetobealive!"
OldGuyonTheSimpsons
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[] Flechair 51points

Inspiringwithencouragementdoesn'tnecessarilymeancomfortingyou.Tome,thedifferenceistellingsomeonethat
theyaremakinggreatprogress,tokeepatit,etc.iftheyaren'tevenattemptingtomakeprogressthe
encouragementisprobablymisplaced.
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[] Muh_Condishuns 9points

That'swhensomeonestepsintosay"speeditup,you'restillfat"butthat'sthoughtcrimenow.
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[] bamfspike 61points

mymomtoldmeIwaslookingslimmerafterIgained20poundsoffat.Sometimesbrutaltruthdoeshelp.Iread
/r/fatlogicforinspirationlol.
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[] Doudos 2points

Familygenerallyseemtohaveawarpedsensewhenitcomestoweight.LastweekIwastoldIlookedunderweight,
andI'veonlyjustpassedunderthe25BMIpoint.Iknowthey'retryingtobeacceptingbutitpassesasenablingonce
you'verealisedthetruthaboutyourweight.
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[] ItsObviousYouMoron 0points

Sowhycan'twejustbehonestwithpeoplebutnotattackorbullythem?
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[] GriddyBright undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Becauseapparentlythatmakestoomuchsense:/
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[] PoopPraetor 3points

HatingsomeoneforcaringsolittleabouttheirbodythattheyinconvenienceeveryoneelseIShonest.It'snot
attackingORbullying.
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Iactuallyagreewithwhatyousayhere,inandofitself.
Ijustthinkgettingtogethertopubliclycirclejerkabouthowhorribletheyareisnotevenremotelyproportionaltothe
overallinconveniencecaused.
Especiallygiventhatitseemslikelythatapersonwithaddictiveorcompulsiveorrecklesslyselfdestructiveor
horrendouslypoorlymanagedbehaviorsisalsolikelytobepsychologicallyunwell,anxious,depressed,lackingin
confidenceandweakwilled.Alotofthatstuffmightresultfrombaddecisionmaking,butalotdoesn't.
Andregardlessifyoudislikeitsomuch,degradingthemandremindingthemhowworthlesstheyaresoundslikeit's
theoppositeofdoingsomethingtofixit.
Thingslikethisarereallynothingmorethanbadpeoplefindingaweakbutconsistentexcuseforbeingfucking
assholestoabunchofpeoplefornosensiblereason.
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[] bamfspike 1point

thatworks:)iread/r/fatlogic,notfph.iguessmaybefphwastooaggressiveorsomething.
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[] nxqv 6points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

MymomtoldmeIlookedlikeIgainedweightafterIlost40lbs.
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[] bamfspike 12points

lol.Ithinksheneedsanewglasses.
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[] ron_manager 142points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

I'mnotsayinginanywaythatfatacceptanceisgoodsopleasedon'tletthispostgetconfusedforthat.
Iamsayingthatfrommypersonalexperience,makingpeoplebelievethattheycanmakeachangeforthebetteris
morebeneficialthancallingsomeoneafatpieceofshit.
Iagreethereisatimeandaplacefor'toughlove'withyourfamilyandfriendsbutthatisnotwhatIwasreferringto
andthatisnotevenremotelyrelatedtowhatisgoingononthiswebsite.

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[] A_Pile_Of_cats 14points

Ifone'sselfesteemisalreadydownthedraincallingthemapieceoffatshitwillneverhelp.It'llonlyhelpinthat
viciouscycleandfeedtheiranxiety.
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[] Encyphus 40points

Iagreewithyou.Psychologically,negativereinforcementworksbutit'snotthebestway.Igrewupwithtwobest
friendsthatwerebothfat,andIwastheskinnyone.Theygotmadefunofandbulliedeveryday,andguesswhat,
they'restillfat.OneismorbidlyobeseandwilllikelydieintenyearsbutIcan'tchangehim.Foreverypersonthat
changedbecauseofthefearoftheviewofsocietythereare100thatdonot.Iwouldbeinterestedinastudyonthis,
thoughit'sprobablyalreadybeendone.
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[] squak_more undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Itdoesn'twork
http://www.npr.org/sections/healthshots/2013/07/26/205766456/hatingonfatpeoplejustmakesthemfatter
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[] fluffingtonthefifth undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Iwouldbeinterestedinastudyonthis,thoughit'sprobablyalreadybeendone.
There'snoneedforone.If"fatshaming"didn'twork,Asiawouldbeoverweight.It'snot.
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[] enrichmentonly undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

I'msureithasabsolutelynothingtodowiththeirregionaldietandthelackofsugarsandcarbs.
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[] FakeAmazonReviews undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

WhoawhoausingLOGICisdangerousandmayblowtheseFPH'ersminds!
permalink
[] Gundamnitpete 41points

Foreveryoneonepersonthatthehate"helps",thereareahundredforwhomitdrivesfurtherintothepitthatisself
doubt/loathing.
permalink
[] peace_and_long_life 20points

You'regettinghate,butthisreviewseemstoindicatethatwhenpeoplearefirststartingtheirweightlossjourney,
theyrespondtopositivefeedbackratherthannegativefeedback.IknowI'vereadmoreonthesubjectofthe
motivationofnovicesIcanreportbackifIfindsomethingelse.
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[] Earl_of_sandwiches 3points

Myfavoritepartwasallthedatabackingupyourclaim.
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[] inclore 0points

Pleaseprovideasourceforthatstatisticyoucompletelypulledoutofofyourass.
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[] squak_more undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

http://www.npr.org/sections/healthshots/2013/07/26/205766456/hatingonfatpeoplejustmakesthemfatter
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[] Eternal_Reward 19points

Thesuicideratesamongpeoplewhohavebodyimageissues?
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[] EntityDamage 4points

Thatstillisn'tasource.
permalink
[] Eternal_Reward 10points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=suicide+rates+obesity
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[] inclore 8points

Stillnotafuckingsource.Givemeastudythatexplicitlygivethenumbers1toa100orjustadmityoufuckingpulled
itoutofyourass.
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[] Eternal_Reward 4points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ididn'tsaythat,butgreatobservationskills.
Andasforthe1to100...
Hyperbole
noun,Rhetoric1.obviousandintentionalexaggeration.2.anextravagantstatementorfigureofspeechnotintended
tobetakenliterally,astowaitaneternity..
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[] piranha_solution undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thatjustmakesthemevenmorehateworthy.Theydamnwellaughttofeelashamediftheyknowtheyhavea
problem,andyetrefusetotakeanyactiontochangeit.
Obesityisalotlikedrugaddiction.Somepeopleneedtohitrockbottombeforetheyaresufficientlymotivatedto
change.
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[] Fey_fox 2points

Thingisthough,depressionandobesityareoftenrelated.
IwasdiagnosedwithacutedepressionwhenIwasakid,andcomemiddleschoolIhadgottenchubbybecauseI
wasn'tgoingout&eatingtoomuch.Classmatesandevenadultswereprettyharshaboutit,andIfeltutterly
powerless.At13Iconsideredtryingoutforthedrillteambutdidn'tbecauseIdidn'twanttofacetheridicule.Itwas
easiertostayhomeandfindcomfortinfoodandbooks(thiswaspreinternet)
Highschoolwasworse.Peoplewouldyellatmeandthrowbottlesatmefromtheircars,Iwasthreatenedtobebeat
downbecausefatgirlsshouldn'tbearound.I'vehadguysphysicallyrecoilfromtouchingmetoshowmehowgross
theythoughtIwas.Thisfueledthedepressionandcausedalotofselfhate.
Shame?Ohyes.Ifeltallofthehorriblethingsyouwouldwantafatpersontofeel.Butitdidn'tmotivatemeto
change.Ididn'tknowhow.Imeanliterallydidn'tknow.WhenIwasateenagermyparentsputmeonadoctor

supervisedliquiddietforamonth,alsothisexerciseclassforfatkidsonceaweek.Ihatedtheshakediet,andmaybe
lost10poundsoffit,andneversawanygainsfromtheclasswhichwasprettymuchaerobic.Ididn'twanttodo
sportsbecauseanytimeI'ddosomethingphysicalaroundmyclassmatesI'dgetshitforit.AsayoungadultIhad
cometoadecisionthatIwaspowerlesstoreallydomuch.IfIhadtheinformationIhavenowthingswouldbe
different,butIdidn'tknowandIdidn'tknowhowtoreallyfindout(theinternetwasn'treallyathingyet).
Ittookyearsofpersonalworkandselfeducationtogetmentallyhealthyenoughtobeconfidentenoughtodealwith
myweightandphysicalweakness.Igotothegymandruninthemiddleofthenighttoavoidpeople,butIgo.I've
learnedalotaboutdiet,andI'velost70.Butthingis,ittooktimetobuildupmypersonalconfidenceinmyselftofeel
likeIcouldmakethosechanges.Youngmecouldn'tdothat,becauseIacutelyfeltanddidn'tknowhowtohandlethe
kindofhatepeoplehadforme.
Iffolksreallywantedtohelptheobesityproblem,itwouldbebettertoaddressitbeforeitbecomesone.Shameand
selfloathingiswhatdrovemeawayfromexercise,ifIhadbeenmoreactiveasakidandhadlearnedabitabout
nutritionandportioncontrolthenIwouldbelesslikelytobecomeanobeseadult.Maybethatshouldbetaughtin
physed.Justsayingthough,hateandshamingwon'tfixtheproblem.
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[] piranha_solution undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thingisthough,depressionandpoordietaryhabitsareoftenrelated.Ifyouoverloadoncarbsandandeficientinvital
nutrients,yourendocrinesystemwillsuffer,andyouwillsufferbecauseofit.Alotofsociety'sproblemsarecaused
bypoordietaryhabits.
Peoplewouldyellatmeandthrowbottlesatmefromtheircars
Ilol'datthat.IguessIamashittyperson.Bestofluck!
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[] WindomEarlesGhost 2points

Lol.No.Hatredlikefphspreadisnothealthy.Wishingdeathwasacommonoccurrenceonthatsub.Stalkingreddit
userswasstartingtobecomeacommonoccurrenceonthatsub.
permalink
[] piranha_solution 1points

ThesamecouldbesaidforSRDandSRS.
Healthydiscussionisnotthegoalofsuchsubs.Thepointiscirclejerkingandgettingkeks.
permalink
[] barakvesh 21points

Doyoualsoyellatdepressedpeoplewhoareafraidtogotoatherapist?
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[] tarantulus 2points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Depressionisn'tselfinflicted
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[] mhende 1point

Obesityisofteninflictedonchildrenbytheirparents.Atwhatagedoestheswitchflipanditbecomesacceptableto
usethemasanoutletforyourmeanstreakintheguiseofbeinghelpful?
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[] tarantulus 2points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ihavenohorseinthisrace,Iwassimplypointingoutthefallacyandnowyou'retryingtouseanexceptiontoprovea
rule.
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[] mhende 2points

Imnotthepersonthatyouwerereplyingtooriginallythatmadethefallacy.Myonlycommenttoyouwastopointout
thatobesityisnotalwaysselfinflicted.Thereareobese7yearoldswhohavenotdoneittothemselves.
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[] Poop_Tube undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Isdepressionachoiceorisscarfingdown4cheeseburgers?Please,dotell.
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[] tenelka3001 6points

Iwasscarfingdownlotsofunhealthyfoodforyearsbeforeilearnedthatididitbecauseiwasdepressed.Some
peopleusedrugstocope,iusedfood.
Thedayidecidedtostopusingfoodwasthestartoftheworsttimeinmylife.I'mgoingonoverayearnow,anda
daythatdoesn'tgobywhereidon'tthinkthatlifeisn'tworthlivinglikethis.
Whenistuffedmyfacewithfood,iatleastfeltasbubblyandhappyaspeoplesawme.AndI'dgobacktoitina
heartbeatifihadn'tcreatedawholenewsetofmentalissuesregardingfood.
I'mnotsayingthistotrytogarnersympathy,....orpity,idon'tneednorwantit,buttopointoutthatfatpeopleare
peopletoo,andlikeme,isuspectmosthavesomedeepissuesthatleadtothemcopingbyeatingandidon'tgetwhy
peoplefeeltheneedtobesoshittytowardsfatpeople.
Sotoansweryourquestion,itisachoice,butnotoneweevenrealizewearemakingsometimes,andbecauseofmy
experiencessofar,I'mstillnotsurethatthealternative(ofnoteating)isworthit.
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[] piranha_solution undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Doyouthinkyouareclevertobeaskingsuchaloadedquestion?
Ihavecontemptforanyonewhiningabouttheirproblemsandyetchoosetodonothingaboutthem.Ialsohave
contemptforpeoplewhoexcusesuchinfantilebehavior.
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[] Marsupian 29points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Differentpeoplearemotivatedbydifferentthings.Thinkingthatforalotofpeopletheridiculeandknowledgethata
largeportionofthegeneralpopulationlooksdownonthemcan'tpositivelyinfluencetheirbehaviorissilly.
I'mnotsayinghatingfatpeopleisgoodbutIcansomewhatunderstandwhereit'scomingfrom.It'slargelyareaction
tofatacceptanceandHEASwhichareextremelydamagingandpreventpeoplefrommakingthechangetheyneed.
I'mallforlovingyourbodyandlovingyourselfbutthatshouldgoalongwithanunderstandingthatbeingfatnotgood
andthatchangeisnecessary.Trueselfloveshouldbeareasontomakechangestotakecareofyourself.Not
acceptingthatyouareslowlykillingyourself.
Ithinkacombinationofsupportingfatpeopletomakeachangeandawidespreadunderstandingthatobesityis
neveranacceptablehumanconditionisthebestapproach.
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[] MissAugusta 8points

IhadtolookupwhatHAESwas,butbasedontheirowndefinitions,fatacceptanceisadistortionofwhattheyare

reallytryingtopromote,i.e.health.Likeyousay,itappearsthattheywanttopromoteselfloveandmakethatthe
motivationformakingpositivechangestowardsahealthylifestyle.Theysaythatweightlossisnottheprimaryaim,
butrealistically,(thisismyopinionnow)anyonewholiveshealthierwillloseweightasaresult.
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[] figandfennel undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Itusedtobe"enacthealthyhabits,nomatteryoursize."Nowit's"youcanbehealthyeventhoughyouaremorbidly
obese."
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[] mhende 2points

Peoplewhoareintofatacceptanceandsjwtypesontumblrarecrazy,andthepeoplewhoaresuperagainstthem
arealsocrazy.
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[] sc0tt454 5points

Differentpeoplearemotivatedbydifferentthings.
Yepalotofrecoveringaddictstalkabouthittingrockbottomandfeelingdeepamountsofshamebeforedecidingto
stop.Foralotofpeopleithastogetreallybadbeforetheycanbreaktheiraddictions.Theonlyproblemisthatother
thanphysicalappearanceitcantakealongtimefortheeffectsofobesitytotakeplace.
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[] BarackSays 64points

Thethingis,therewasabigportionofFPHwhodidn'tcareifyouwereinthegymandchangingyourdiettoimprove
yourself.Theydidn'tcareifyouusedtobefatbutturneditaroundandbecameskinny.TheyliterallysawANYBODY
whowaseveroverweightassubhuman.It'ssomeofthemostvisceralandinsanehatespeechI'veeverseen.Even
theStormfrontretardsusuallyjusttalkinsomesortofdumbasspseudoscientificbabbletojustifytheirbigotryand
wishforblackpeopletobedeported,notkilled.
Even/fit/willgenerallyrespectanoverweightpersonwho'sinthegymtryingtoturntheirlifearound.Yes,that's
right,evenfucking4chanhadmoreofamoralhighground.
I'mnotsayingtheHAESandfatacceptancemovementareright(outsideofnothatingsomebodysolelybecause
they'refat),theyaren't.It'satoxicmentalitybutit'salsoaneasytraptofallintoifyou'reoverweightinthefirst
placesinceitgivesyouanexcuse,andlookingforanexcuseispracticallyhumannature.ButthefewtimesIread
someofthoseFPHposts...ugh.Justcan'tunderstandhowyoucanwastethatmuchtimebeingthathateful.
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[] Tigerbones undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

sawANYBODYwhowaseveroverweightassubhuman
Eh,notquite.Evenoneoftheirmodswasfatandthengotingreatshape.
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[] snuffy69 28points

Andthisisabigpartofwhatledtotheremovalofthatsub.
Peoplewouldgotoothersubsandfindprogresspicsthatpeoplehadposted.Thentheywouldattackthepersonover
howtheyhadn'tmadeenoughprogressandwerestillfat.
Thatsortofhateisn'thelpful.
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[] BarackSays 26points

Nottomentionstraightupencouragingsuicide.
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[] SexLiesAndExercise undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thatwasthedifferencebetween/r/fatpeoplehateand/r/fatlogic.
It'sonethingtomakefunofthethoughtprocess,it'sanothertomakefunoftheperson.
Noonelikesobesity,inthegrandschemeofthings.Ifyouwanttoactuallysolvetheproblem,bullyingthepeople
isn'tgoingtogetyouthere.It'scounterproductive,andwhilefatshamingworksforsomepeople,ifyou'redoingitat
alevelthatpushesotherstosuicideyouneedtotoneitdown.
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[] BarackSays undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

You'recompletelyright.Ihaveabsolutelynoproblemwith/r/FatLogic.IdespisethementalitythatTumblresque
institutionsdrillintotheheadsofpeoplewhoarelostandoverweightandmakethemthinkthatworkingoutiswrong.
LikeIsaid,itgivesthemanout/excuse.
ButtheextremistsfromFPH?Theyruinitforeverybody,whetheritbenegativeorpositivereinforcement.
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[] dignam4live 81points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Theproblemwith/r/fatpeoplehateisthatittookitwaytoofar,theyjustbulliedpeopleonhere.I'mpettysurethe
subwasmadebecauser/fatogicweredeletingthepostsofcreepshotsandblatantharassment,sotheymovedto
r/fatpeoplehate.OnFPHtheypostedcreepshotsoffatpeopleinpublicjusttomockthem,banninganyoneonthesub
fordisagreeing.Ifsomeonesaystheyaretryingtoloseweight,theywerebannedandcouldonlypostthereuntilthey
postaverifiedpicofthembeingskinny.Peopleontherehavegonethroughotherpeoplesposthistoryandshown
picturesofthembeingfat,resultingonpeoplebeingbanned.Itissuchatoxiccommunity.Thebestpartaboutitis,
theverifiedpicofthemods(becauseyoucouldn'tmodunlessyouprovedyouweren'tfat)gotleakedanditshowed
thatthemodswereeitherskinnyfatasfuck,orinauschwitzmode.Prettyfunny,constantlytalkingshitaboutpeople
forpeoplebeingfat,whentheirphysiqueswereterribleaswell.Thewholesubwasajoke.
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[] Var90 19points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ikindaunderstandwhyitpoppedup.HAESwasbecominginsanewithwomenlikeTessaHollidaynormalizingobesity.
Sadlythesubwenttoofarwithitsprivatesubs,demandingasprooffornotbeingobese,andbanningofeveryone
thatcommentsinanyfavourforoverweightpeople(eg:theyareworkingonlosingweight).Itwasturningintosome
weirdcult.
Butfuckssake,itpissesmeoffthatTessas'whiningshutthatsubdown.Thatgirliseitherdelusionalortrolling
people.
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[] codeverity undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Tess'whiningdidn'tshutthemdown.Stufflikethisdid.
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[] callmebrick 9points

demandingproofforcommentersbeingnormalweight
IstillthinkthatwassomesortofweirdschemerunbyForeverAlonetypestogetRealGirlmaterialfortheirown
pleasure.

permalink
[] n0b0d1 5points

Ohplease.Y'allonlycarebecausesheiswhite.Younevergaveasinglefuckaboutbigblackwomenfeelingconfident
despitebeingtoldtheydonotfitsociety'sstandards.Thisisnotabouthealth,itisaboutyourdick.Youareafraid
therewillbealackoffitwhitewomen,asiftheywereinterestedinfuckingyou,tobeginwith.(Lol..."no
misogyny"...asifthathaseverappliedtoreddit...)
Oh,andIama"skinnybitch",onewhoalsohatesskinnyshaming.IjustthinkyouBOYSneedtostopconfusingyour
dick'spreferenceswithwhatrealityshouldbe,becauseyoualwaysseemconfusedandamazedwhenotherdicksand
pussiesdisagreewithyourpreferences.
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[] Jivatmanx 2points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

FPHandFatlogicaremajorityfemaledespitethefactthemenmassivelypredominateonReddit.Ithinkit'sbecausea
lotofskinnywomenhavetodealwithharassmentfromfatterwomentellingthemthey'reanorexicandshouldeata
sandwich,whichhasbecomesociallyacceptabletodo.Mengenerallydon'thavetodealwiththis.
Anyway,it'saloteasiertojustmovetoorfindathinwomaninanAsianorLatinAmericancountrythantryingsome
worthlessinternetslacktivism.Ifyouhangoutwithanygroupsofupperclassmen,suchasmilitaryofficersand
businessleaders,it'sincrediblycommontohavethinforeignwives.
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[] offguard 3points

Younevergaveasinglefuckaboutbigblackwomenfeelingconfidentdespitebeingtoldtheydonotfitsociety's
standards.
Nobody(exceptassholes)reallycaresthatthesepeoplearefat,nordoesanyonereallycarethatthey're"confident".
Theproblemiswhenthatconfidenceturnstoarrogance,andfeelingsstartdisplacingactualmedicalfact.Thefactis
thatbeingoverweight/obeseisunhealthy.TheHAESerswere(are)tryingtodisputethatfactbecauseithurtstheir
feelings.Untiltheycamealong,itwasn'taboutdisputingthatfact,itwasjustaboutbeingcomfortablewithbeing
howeverbigyouare,andthatisfine.
Whateveryourweight,beasconfidentasyouwant,there'snothingwrongwiththat.Howeverheavyyouare,
someoneoutthereprobablyfindsyoubeautiful,sure.Butdon'tstarttryingtodisputetheindisputable,scientifically
establishedfactthatyourweighthasadirectnegativeeffectonyourhealth.That'sdelusionalandmoronic,andit
deservesridiculeandscorn.It'sintheexactsameleagueas"yourfossilsareinfringingonmyrighttobelievethatthe
earthis6000yearsold".
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[] damanifb 9points

I'mconfusedbythisanalysis.It'snotaboutcreatingapopulationof"bangable"women.Promotingobesity,maleor
female,black/white/asianorwhatever,istheproblemthatIhave.Tessjustsohappenstobetheposterwomanof
itallrightnow.Itcouldverywellbesomeoneelse2weekslater.Ican'tspeakforvar90butthatswhatIbelievemost
ofthepeoplefromFPHwereabout.Forsomereason,it'sconsideredmoreoffensivetocalloutfatpeopleandpoint
outhowridiculoussomeoftheads/logicbehindhaesisthanitistoberacist.(i.e./r/coontown).Ihavenocontrol
overmyracebutyoucancertainlywatchyourdiet.
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[] Var90 13points

Whysohostile?Youareputtinglabelsandawholearrayofopinionsonme.OpinionsthatIhaven'texpressed.

Idon'tconsiderblackobesewomentobehealthyeither.TessawasphotoshoppedandputoutthereasaPlayboy
bunny.Ifthatisn'tnormalizingobesity,whatis?
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[] Marsupian 29points

Thatgirliseitherdelusionalortrollingpeople.
She'smakingmoneyencouragingpeopletomakepoorhealthchoices.
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[] SaintJason undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Andhereiswheretheviciouscyclebegins.Someonewhowon'tcommitanddon'twantotherstobebetterthanthem
willsaysomethingonthelikesofobesityisgoodandfitnessisawasteoftimeleadingtosubslikeFPHbeingcreated
encouragingmorehate
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[] Ifeelveryattacked 14points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

How?Shenevergaveadviceonhowtoeatorworkout,whichshe'sdoesworkoutregulatorybtw.Notsayingsheisnt
unhealthyrightnow.Sheobviouslyis,butisworkingonthat.TheonlayimpressionIgotfromTesswastolove
yourselfnomatterwhatyoursizeisbecausefatornotthere'snoneedtohateyourself.Fatornotdoesn'tdetermine
yourlegalofallowsparticipationinsociety.I'veonlyseencommenters,notTesstalkaboutthewholeglorifying
obesityfromher,butthat'sjustapersonalinterpretation,notwhatshehasactuallysaidwithhermessage.
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[] awerxzas 5points

Sheobviouslyis,butisworkingonthat.
Thatisabsolutelyfalse.Sheexplicitlysaidthat"[she]wasnevertemptedtoloseweight."
IloatheTessMunsterbecausesheclaimstobeallabout#effyourbeautystandards,butthenpaintsonthemakeupin
anattempttomakeherselflookconventionallyattractive,obesitynotwithstanding.Becauseherfacedoesn'tshowher
obesityasmuchasmostoverweightpeople,shegetstheseglamorousmagazinecoversthatmakeherlookhealthier
thansheis.Butinreality,shecan'tevenstandupunassisted.Sheisatriskofimminentdeathandthemainstream
mediadoesn'twanttoacknowledgeit.
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[] Marsupian 8points

Bysayingherweightishealthy.Thisismisinformationanddangerous.
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[] Ifeelveryattacked 4points

Ineversawhersaythat.Onlycommenters.She'sabitchIRLsoIcouldbewrongbutididn'tseethat.:/
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[] Jellooooo 20points

Idon'tknowwhattofeelaboutallthis.Iknowtheinternet'suproarisduetocensorshiporwhatnot,butIabsolutely
don'tfeelrightaboutpostinghatetowardsfatpeopleevenifit'smeanttochallengethedecisionofbanningthesub.I
agreethatit'ssuchatoxicsubanditsaddensmethatsomanypeoplearebehavingsooutrightunpleasant.Honesty,
Idon'tseetheproblemwiththebanningofthesub.AsfarasIknow,theyviolatedoneofReddit'srulesergotheir
subwasbanned.
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[] Iaconacoalsaurus 28points

Theproblemisthatfatpeoplehatewasn'tgoodformotivationatall.Thepeopletherewerehorribleandwouldpost
picsofreallifepeople.Theywouldjustsitattherecomputerssayingawful,awfulthingsaboutotherpeople.Idon't
seehowthatisencouragementatall.
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[] emdeemcd undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

FPHwasfullofbulliesandcowardswhocanfeelgoodaboutthemselvesonlybyputtingotherpeopledown.
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[] Marsupian 10points

Plentyofpeoplefoundmotivationthere.Theotherscouldchoosenottovisitthesub.
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[] misterTaco 1point

That'samassiveclaimtherequiresprooftosubstantiateit.Acoupleofrandomaccountssayingitmotivatedthem
sureasfuckisntproofeither.
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[] Marsupian 3points

Acoupleofrandomaccountssayingitmotivatedthemsureasfuckisntproofeither.
Wheneverytimethesubgetsbroughtuptherearemorethan5peoplesayingithelpedthemit'saprettygood
indicationithashelpedasubstantialamountofpeople.Howmanypositivechangesis"plenty".5?10?100?1000?
Ifyouapplytherulethatforevery10postersthereare100lurkersit'saprettysignificantresponse.
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[] misterTaco 4points

Andhowmanyofthoseaccountswereverifiedinanywayatall?Thepeoplepostingonthatsubspentalotoftime
obsessingaboutoverweightpeople,toanunhealthydegree.Itsveryeasytomakeafakeoraltaccounttopat
yourselfontheback.
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[] Marsupian 4points

Therearelotsofeasythings.ClaimingsomeoneisbrigadingfromFPHisalsoeasy.ClaimingFPHhasn'thelped
anyoneloseweightisalsoeasy.DoxxingpeoplewhopostonFPHwithoutrepercussionsisalsoeasy.
Wewon'tknowthetruthbutIthinkFPHhashelpedpeopleandithasmadepeoplefeelbad.ThatisjustwhatIthink.
Ihavenoproof.
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[] sectb 14points

Whateverhelpsyousleepatnight.
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[] kixxxxxx 3points

/r/PublicHealthAwarenessgotbanned,inb4/r/fitnessbannedaswell.
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[] markevens undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thatwasjustafphclone.
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[] fansgesucht 5points

Whatwas/r/PublicHealthAwarenesslike?Whatwasitscontentlike?
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[] Stalyx 10points

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?
q=cache:9Tzt_TGzHSMJ:www.reddit.com/r/PublicHealthAwareness/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=lk
Yeah...:/
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[] anonyymi 1point

Idon'tknowexactly,butIsawonelinktosomegovernmentwebpage,whereMichelleObamatoldaboutrisks
relatedtoobesity.
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[] I_Is_Batman 1points

Thissubbetternotgetbanned,otherwiseredditisdone.
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[] ripper999 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

PerhapsdoneforyoubutRedditdoesn'trevolvearoundjust/r/Fitnessandifitwastodisappearitmightbemissed
forthefirstweekbutmanyotherfitnessrelatedforumsandinfositesexist.
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[] Brooney 1point

Offtothe/r/weightroomthen
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[] Gosteponalegoplease 6points

Wait,whywas/r/publichealthawarenessbanned?I'veneverbeentherebutwasitsomesortofshithole?
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[] ron_manager 25points

I'mnot100%butI'mprettysureitwasjustanotheroneofthese/r/fatpeoplehaterebootedunderadifferentname
typesubs.
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[] Gosteponalegoplease 5points

Ireallyamworriedaboutthissuband/r/loseitnow.lotsofbrigadinggoingoninboth.Thesesubsmeanalottome
andhavehelpedmetransformwhoIhavebecome.
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[] diredyre 8points

Doyoureallynotunderstandwhatthedifferenceis?Howdeludedcanyoubethatyou'dreallybuythewhole"the
SJWsarecensoringeverything!"nonsense.Nothingofvaluewillbelostwhenthiswholethingdiesdown.
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[] Gosteponalegoplease 8points

Ireallylikehowyouareputtingwordsinmymouth.Thebansarebasedonharassment(orsotheysay)andI've
seenafairshareofFPHbrigadinginfitness.Itsasemilogicalworry.SJWisjustabullshitderogatorytermusedto
describemoronicextremistsbutnowisratheracatchalltermusedagainstanyonewhovoicesaliberalopinionona
socialmatter.

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[] diredyre 7points

Apparentlythey'renotbrigadingveryeffectivelysincetheonlypostonthesubjectisonecommendingthesubreddit
fornothavinganypostsonthesubject.
Ireallylikehowyouareputtingwordsinmymouth.
Sorryaboutthat,there'sonlysomuchstupidityIcanstomachandredditisfullofitrightnow.
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[] Gosteponalegoplease 5points

Modshavebeenremovingalotofitandnoworries.Iunderstand.
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[] KeyVapours 14points

/r/fitnessisgoingnowherecalmdown
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[] ron_manager 10points

Can'tseethissubgettingbannedinallhonesty,itwasmadeadefaultsubnotallthatlongago.
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[] I_Is_Batman 3points

Noidea,I'vebeenignoringthefrontpageasoflate.
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[] Dutaun 23points

IjustwanttosayIhopeitallblowsoversoon.\r\allisaShitplaceatthemoment.
AndassomeonewhoI'dontheweightlossjourneyIhopeitdoesn'tcomeback.
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[] Vandiemenslander 10points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Itwouldn'thavebeenlikeitisiftheadminshadbeenconstantr/srsandr/coontownarestillup.
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[] Winterdemon 2points

Haha,yeahwhatever.Likebanningthosetwosubswouldhavemadethepeoplespamminggo"ohyeah,IguessIsee
yourpointnow".
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[] MALEDICTIONS 1point

r/srsisn'tthesameasr/shitredditsays.Also,anysourceoneitherofthetwoactivelybreakingredditrules?
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[] MALEDICTIONS 1point

r/srsisn'tthesameasr/shitredditsays.Also,anysourceoneitherofthetwoactivelybreakingredditrules?
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[] mhende 3points

Ijustreadthatfphpeopledoxxedimgurstaffandthatiswhytheywereremoved.
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[] sifumokung 4points

Ithinkyoumeanttotypeconsistent.
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[] LinusEhle 1points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

thethingisthosesubsdontreachthetopofr/allallthetimeandaren'tasimagedamagingasFPH
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[] Vandiemenslander 14points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

PreviousCEO"Wewillnotbanquestionablesubreddits.Youchoosewhattopost.Youchoosewhattoread.You
choosewhatkindofsubreddittocreateandwhatkindofrulesyouwillenforce.Wewilltrynottointerferenot
becausewedon'tcare,butbecausewecarethatyoumakeyourchoicesbetweenrightandwrong.
SRSVoteBrigadeandtheyhaveaverylargeumbrellaofSubsubrella
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[] LinusEhle 1points

thanksforpostingthis.nowiunderstandwhysomepeoplearesoupsetaboutthebanseventhoughididntlikeFPH
sinceitjustseemedlikeobnoxiouscyberbullyingtome
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[] Vandiemenslander 1points

IlikeditsasmuchasIlikedmuchasIlikedthefatacceptancemovement,itjustsetsadangerousprecedent.
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[] Tuatho 1point

Itdoesn'tsetafuckingdangerousprecedent.Banningsubredditspurelydevotedtoharassingpeopleisnotaproblem,
andtheonlypeoplewho'reconvincedofsucharethesubhumanfilthwhopopulatedfph.
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[] Vandiemenslander 1points

"Wewillnotbanquestionablesubreddits.Youchoosewhattopost.Youchoosewhattoread.Youchoosewhatkindof
subreddittocreateandwhatkindofrulesyouwillenforce.Wewilltrynottointerferenotbecausewedon'tcare,
butbecausewecarethatyoumakeyourchoicesbetweenrightandwrong."
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[] Coltorl undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ican'tspeakforcoontown.........becauseItendtoavoidthatsubreddit.But/r/fatpeoplehateregularlyhadfacesand
identitiesofthepeopletheyhadpicturesofintheirsidebarandimageheader.Ifacommunitywantstostepupand
saytheyaren'taboutharassingindividualswhynotstartwithgettingridofthatsortofthingandfocusonthesocietal
impactobesityhasoneAmerica.........
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[] Vandiemenslander undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

TLDRRedditbannedthesubreddit"fatpeoplehate",didn'tbanothersthatareworse.Thenbanningofmoresubreddit
ensuedandsodidtheangerattheadmins
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[] markevens undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Mostpeopledon'tunderstandwhytheywerebanned.
Imgurstarteddeletingimageslinkedtofph
fphrealizedthis,andthemodspostedinfoaboutimguremployeesinthesidebar

fphhasalotofusersthatlashoutatpeopleviapmtocommunicatetheirhatedirectly
Thesidebarstuffwasallittooktodirectatoxiccommunitytofocustheirattentiononimguremployees
Redditdeletedthesubbecauseofit.
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[] GetMeOffReddit 0points

Theybannedsubredditsfoundguiltyofvotebrigading,justtomakeitclearwhy...
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[] thedoh 1point

TLDRRedditbannedthesubreddit"fatpeoplehate",didn'tbanhaven'tyetbannedothersthatareworse.
ftfy
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[] bembit 54points

AsfarasI'maware,Reddithasactedliketheyalwaysdo,theybannedbreakersubreddits.FPHactivelyharrassed
usersoutsideoftheirowncommunity(suchas/r/progresspicsetc)anddoxxedImgurstaff.Thereasonother'worse'
subredditssuchas/r/cutefemalecorpsesandothersaren'tbannedisbecausetheyarenotbreakinganyredditrules.
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[] I3ombastic undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

FPHdidNOTactivelyharassusersoutsideoftheirowncommunity.Theywereextremelystrictaboutkeepingallof
thehatewithinthesubreddit,whichiswhyeveryoneisragingsohardrightnow.
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[] Aranaukin undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Whatyou'resayinghappenedisn'tcorrect.Therewasnoorganizationgoingafterotherusersofreddit.Therewere
individualsthathappenedtobesubbedtoFPH.FPHrulesweresimpleandenforced,Nopersonalinformation,No
linkingtootherpartsofreddit.Evenifsomepictureswerestolenfromotherpartsofreddittheyhadtobere
uploadedtoimgur.SobasicallytheonlypeoplebeingharassedBYTHESUBREDDITwerepeoplethatactivelycame
intothesubredditandgotoffended.Whatyou'resayingiscomparabletosomeonesayingallMuslimsareterrorists
becausesomeMuslimsareterrorists.Ifyouthinkthesubredditasawholeandnotafewradicalredditorsactively
harassedpeopleoutsideofit'sowncommunityyou'restraightupwrong.
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[] Vanitati undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ineverunderstoodhowthiscouldpossiblybeconsideredavalidargumentthough,thesubredditdidn'tactivelytellits
userstogobrigadestufflikethat,theybannedacommunityforitsmushrooms.
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[] CodioBunny 7points

Exceptthemainrulewasdon'ttouchthepoop.Thefphmodswereexcellentanditwasthe7thmostactivesub.They
wereconstantlybrigadedbyoutsidesubsandadminsandothermodsdidnothingaboutit.
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[] Skinny_McJiggles undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Agree.Theywereexcellentmodsandtheyenforcedtherulesofthesubimpartially.
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[] thatsmrdickface undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

TheFPHmodsdiscouragedbrigading.

Unfortunately,fatlesbiansandSJWsbrigadedFPHsotheycouldfeellikevictims.
TheycametoFPH,complainedaboutwhattheyvoluntarilyexposedthemselvesto,andthendemandedthatitbe
bannedsotheycouldfeelliketheyaccomplishedsomething.
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[] trimaz 1point

Youmightwanttogetyourfactsstraight.
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[] Marsupian 1point[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ifwearegoingtobaneverysubthat"brigades"wecandeletealmosthalfthesite.It'ssuchastupidrule.Someone
mentionssomethingelseonredditandifyougothereandparticipateindiscussionyouarebrigading.Ifsomeoneon
asubexpressesanopinionthatiscontroversialandassosciatedwithadifferentsubthatisbrigading(it'snotbutyou
can'tproveit'snotsoit'sbrigading).
SRDisasubdedicatedtobrigading,stillgoingstrong.
Ithoughtthewholepointofalargecommunitysitelikethiswasbringingpeopletogethertofosterdiscussionand
exchangeofideas.Nowwhenyouleaveyourlittleplacededicatedtoyourpointofviewyouaregetting
shadowbanned.Ifyouliketovisitplaceswithdifferentpointsofviewandliketochallengethemajorityyouare
brigading.
Thisshitisabsolutelyridiculousandunenforceable(asprovenbysubslikeSRDstillbeingup).
It'sinsanity.
FPHactivelyharrassedusersoutsideoftheirowncommunity(suchas/r/progresspicsetc)
SomeonewhovisitsbothFPHandprogresspicspostsanastycomment.NowFPHisbrigadingandshouldbebanned.
doxxedImgurstaff
Theydidn't.ImgurstarteddeletingFPHcontentsosomeonefromFPHtooksomestaffpicsandmadeapostcalling
themfat(includingtheirdogwhichwasindeedalittleoverweight,poorthing).Callingthatdoxxingisinsane.
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[] Skinny_McJiggles undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

True.EspeciallysincenoneoftheImgurStaffwereevenidentifiedbyname.ThosewhowerefatwerecalledFAT.FPH
doesn'tevensetthestandardsforbeingfat.TheygobyBMIwhichissetbytheCDC.
Soarewegoingtostopcallingaspadeaspadenow?
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[] etihw_retsim 4points

Theyseriouslyharassedpeopleon/r/progresspics?Wow,Ihadnoideatheywerethatbad.Ineverunderstoodthe
attitudethatsomepeoplehavetowardspeoplethataretryingtobetterthemselves,nomatterhowbadtheirstarting
pointwas.
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[] yarr_be_my_password 2points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ithoughtthewholepointofalargecommunitysitelikethiswasbringingpeopletogethertofosterdiscussionand
exchangeofideas
Hey,IgotbulliedbecauseI'mawimpandthatfatpersonisfatYEAHYEAHYEAHKILLIT
Someideaexchangethatwentoninthatplace,huh.

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[] ChiefSaintBike 3points

No,notheydidn't.
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[] Hhffgfrfghj 9points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Fatpeoplehatewasjustreallybigandspilledontothefrontpage.Sameexactthinghappenedwithcreepshotsnottoo
longagobutnobodywantedtodefenditandtheyjustrebrandedascandidfashionpoliceanywayanditallsortofblew
over.Thatsubneverharassedordodderanyone.It'snothingtodowithrules,it'sjustPRstuff
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[] GlorifiedApe undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Ifitwasjustthat,theycouldremoveitfrom/r/allandbedonewithit.
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[] PM_Me_Boobiez 28points

Noneofwhatyoujustsaidistrue.Imguradminswerenotdoxxed.Theyhadpicturesofthemselvespostedthatthey
themselveshadalreadypostedonline.
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[] Fey_fox 9points

Itwasn'tjustpostingthephotos,itwasalsosharingwhothosepeoplewereandencouragingharassmentofthem.
Thatgoesagainstredditrules.
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[] I3ombastic undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

encouragingharassmentisspecificallyagainstFPHrulesandwasswiftlypunishedifseenbytheFPHmods.
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[] Skinny_McJiggles undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Thisistotallystupidlogic.Yougetharassedifit'sINYOURFACE.Otherwise,it'sjustplaingossip.
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[] TheGreatXavi 0points

allofwhathesaidaretrue
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[] midsummernightstoker 17points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Plentyofwhathesaidwastrue.Reddit'sexactstatementwasthatFPHwasbannedforitsbehavior,notitscontent.
It'sfineifyouwanttobelievethatofficialstatementisalieorwhatever,buttoclaimthat"noneofwhat[bembit]
saidistrue"isabsurd.
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[] Vandiemenslander 59points

Sohowdoyouexplainr/shitredditsaysanditsumbrella?
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[] Frankeh undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

HavealookatSRSbeforetoday.
It'sadeadsubreddit.60,000subs,butonlyafewcommentspersubmissionwithmostgettinglessthan50upvotes.
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[] wakawaka86 undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Pls.Peoplealwaysaccusesrsofbrigadingandalltheothernonsensebutnoproof.FPHwasafarworsesuband
redditlostnothingofvaluewithitsban.
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[] ilovethosedogs undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

"butbutbut/r/whataboutSRS?"
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[] Fey_fox 1point

Becausethere'snothingwrongwithlinkingsconversationfromanothersubteddit.Considerthatallthepostsare
publicconversations.IfIseesomethingyousayIcanhighlightitandpointitouttoothers./r/bestofdoesthesame
thing.That'saworldofdifferencefrompostingphotosandharassingpeopleinandoutofredditandencouraging
bullying&doxingwhichiswhatthebannedsubredditswereaccusedof.
Btw,SRSisn'tthatbig,andbeforethisFPHthingitwasnotterriblyactive.Ifyoulookmostofthepoststheylinkto
goupinvotes,notdown(theypostthekarmacountintheposttitle).It'sjustoneofthosethingsthatturnedinto
shitpeopleliketobitchaboutbuthaven'tactuallylookedinto.Theydon'thavemassivepower.Lurkforabit.Lookat
thenumbersofactiveposters.It'snothighenoughtoaffectanything.Iftheywerethenmaybetheycouldaffect
what'shappeningon/r/all
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[] BarackSays 23points

SRShasbeenneardeadforoverayearnow,sowhatevertransgressionstheytookpartinwaswaybeforethis
changeinpolicy.That'snotexactlyaGOODreason,mindyou,butbasedonthefactthattheir"prime"ofbeinga
majorReddit"problem"waslikethreeyearsagoprobablyhasalottodowithit.
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[] barakvesh 5points

BecauseSRSdoesn'tdoanyofthosethings?
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[] chelski_sucks 1points

Lel
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[] lilhurt38 51points[originaluneditedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

Theydidn'tgoaftertheemployeesofawebsitethathasacloserelationshipwithReddit./r/fatpeoplehatebrokethe
rules,butI'mnotgonnapretendthatthefactthatitwasimgurdidn'tplayarole.AlotofcontentpostedonRedditis
hostedonimgur.TheyclearlypissedoffimguremployeestothepointwheretheycomplainedtoRedditadmins.
SeeingasRedditreliesheavilyoncontenthostedontheirsite,itmakessensefortheadminstocrackdownon
/r/fatpeoplehate.Theydon'twanttojeopardizetheirrelationshipwithimgur.
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[] ayvyns undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

"goafter"?AFAIKTheypostedpubliclyavailablepicsoftheimguradmins.
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[] Jack_Merridew_ 24points

Yes.ThereisnodoubtthatimgurhadaheavilyinfluenceontheFPHban.It'snocoincidencethatimgurstopped
allowingpicturestobeuploadedcomingfromFPHthenjustafewdayslaterRedditdeletestheentiresubreddit.

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[] lilhurt38 23points

ImgurstoppedallowingFPHtouploadpicturesontheirsite.FPHthenfoundapictureofimguremployees,putiton
theirsidebar,andstartedinsultingthem.I'massumingimguremployeescomplainedandFPHwasbanned.
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[] Jack_Merridew_ 4points

Right.Wellit'sunfortunateforussubscriberswhogotoursubredditdeleted,all150,000users,becausesome
employeescomplainedaboutbeinginsulted.Ifyouputyourpictureandnameontheinternetandsomeonethinks
youdidthemwrong,well,there'sachancethey'regonnaretaliate...Itcertainlydoesnotjusthappenonreddit.
Well,theygottheirway.Butwasitreallyworthittoreddit?toellenpao?totheadmins?It'sbeensaidalloverreddit:
FPHandothersubsgotdeletedbutyoucanstillviewpeoplegettingbeattodeath.
Peoplearepissedandjumpingship.Redditwillneverbethesame,nottomeatleast.
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[] Pepito_Pepito undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

There'sadifferencebetweenthemstoppingdoingsomethingFORyoutoyoudoingsomethingTOthem.
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[] surprise_analrape 25points

paocan'tremovehermainfanbase
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[] squak_more undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

WhyamIutterlyunsurprisedbyyourusername?
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[] Vandiemenslander 17points

Thisguygetsit.
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[] Whys0_o 1point

Eh,he'sliterallyechoingwhatmostpeopleinthethreadshavesaid.
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[] Tuatho 15points

Man,youguysaresofullofshit.SRShasn'tbeenaprobleminyears.Attheirpeakmaybetheyshould'vebeen
bannedforharassment,butevenitspeakdoesn'tevenremotelycomparetohowaggressiveFPHwasbeing.
Circlejerkallyoulike,fphwasrightfullybannedandthemainpagerightnowperfectlyillustrateswhy.
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[] CJsAviOr 3points

IdonnoSRSatit'speakwasprettyruthless.Theyhadnoqualmsaboutdoxxingandtryingtoruinpeople'slivesIRL.
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[] Gundamnitpete undefinedpoints[deletedcommentrestoredbyuneddit.com]

AndhereIthoughtshewasall...
(_)
(_)>
(_)

paoerful.
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[] bembit 7points

noidea,IhaveneverbeenonsrsandItrytostayawayfromitjustlikeItrytodowithothersubredditsIdon'tlike
(fph,etc.etc.).
Ijustreadabrilliantexplanationofsomeoneonthisentiredramaoverat/r/outoftheloop
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