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The comment in maroon below, from TheRysta on 6-24-09 is
prompting me to post some of my understanding. The subject has weighed
heavily on me for a while, i understand the fearful and timid will all have
their part in the LOF. So why is it that many; not all Bible translations use
the (Fear) word instead of the more correct translation (Reverence), in
these very important verses.
This is not a completed study; but a work in progress i would like to share,
please feel free to comment or add to the discussion.
Reverence: rev·er·ence (rvr-ns)
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/reverence
1. A feeling of profound awe and respect and often love; veneration. See
Synonyms at honor.
2. An act showing respect, especially a bow or curtsy.

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Fear or Reverence; does it Matter?.

3. The state of being revered.
4. Reverence Used as a form of address for certain members of the
Christian clergy: Your Reverence. (Definetely not Scriptural)
tr.v. rev·er·enced, rev·er·enc·ing, rev·er·enc·es
To consider or treat with profound awe and respect; venerate.
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from: TheRysta
I don't know what the word 'reverence' actually means but I assume that you mean that
I should be humble to God and such. Is this humble simply to accept that he always
knows best and not to get into a row about it, or is this humble all the way to the extent
that you can't treat prayer like conversation.

I have been doing a word study of the uses of the words (fear &
Reverence) in the OT & NT. It appears again that the translators did a
deliberate hatchet job on use of this word to change our understanding of
GOD And HIS Relationship with us (humanity)
The NT has 78 occurrences of use of the word (fear), so far i have
found a definite bias in the OT Bible, still working on the NT.
Many places in the OT where the word (fear H3372) is used the better
word is actually (Reverence Reverent or Revere). In the old testament (KJV
+) there are 307 verses where the word (fear) is used.
At least 70% or more of the time it is (fear H3372, H3373 or H3374), in
the majority of cases (Revere or Reverence or Reverent) is a much better
word than fear to get the correct meaning.
(GNB) has 22 uses of the word Reverence in place of Fear. I pulled 7
verses and matched them with 7 verses from (CLV), bold are mine
for emphasis.

Job 28:28 (GNB)
God said to us humans, "To be wise, you must have reverence for the
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Stupid people have no respect for wisdom and refuse to learn.bible-truths. 2Ch 19:9 (CLV) and he lays a charge upon them.0. `Thus do you do in the fear of Yahweh. faithfully obeying him in everything you do. and with a perfect heart. Psa 5:7 (CLV) As for me. you must turn from evil. 2Ch 19:9 (GNB) He gave them the following instructions: "You must perform your duties in reverence for the LORD.html (3 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] .10234. You must be humble before you can ever receive honors. Pro 15:33 (CLV) The fear of Yahweh is the discipline of wisdom. does it Matter?. it is wisdom.com/index. Pro 15:33 (GNB) Reverence for the LORD is an education in itself.Fear or Reverence.php/topic. To understand. Psa 5:7 (GNB) But because of your great love I can come into your house. Lord. in the vastness of Your benignity I shall enter Your House. Pro 1:7 (CLV) The fear of Yahweh is the beginning of knowledge. And to withdraw from evil is understanding. Behold. And before glory goes humility. saying. Pro 1:7 (GNB) To have knowledge. I shall worship toward Your holy Temple in devout fear of You. you must first have reverence for the LORD." http://forums. The foolish despise wisdom and discipline." Job 28:28 (CLV) Job 28:28 And He said to mankind. I can worship in your holy Temple and bow down to you in reverence. the fear of Yahweh. in faithfulness.

H3373 ‫ארי‬ yârê' yaw-ray' From H3372. fearing.afraid. And all which I have visited upon her is not being cut off from her eyes. Isa 33:6 (CLV) It comes to be the faithfulness of your eras." Zep 3:7 (GNB) I thought that then my people would have reverence for me and accept my discipline. But soon they were behaving as badly as ever. (be had in) reverence (-end). causatively to frighten: affright. Being prepared.bible-truths. to fear. that they would never forget the lesson I taught them.php/topic. X see. terrible (act. you shall fear Me.10234. He always protects his people and gives them wisdom and knowledge. -fully. Yea. (put in) fear (-ful. morally reverent: . fear (-ful). dread (-ful). be (make) afraid. it is its treasure. thing).com/index. morally to revere. -ness.Fear or Reverence. Their greatest treasure is their reverence for the LORD. -ing). they rose early. H3374 ‫הארי‬ http://forums." H3372 ‫ארי‬ yârê' yaw-ray' A primitive root. you shall take discipline.html (4 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] . The fear of Yahweh.0. Isa 33:6 (GNB) and give stability to the nation. does it Matter?. Zep 3:7 (CLV) I say. they ruined all their practices. The safeguard of salvation is wisdom and knowledge.

fear (also used as infinitive).H2534 Psa 89:7 GodH410 is greatlyH7227 to be fearedH6206 in the assemblyH5475 of the saints. fear (-fulness).H3068 Lev 26:2 Ye shall keepH8104 (H853) my sabbaths.com/index.dread. -ly feared]. terror.H6918 and to be had in (reverence H3372) ofH5921 allH3605 them that are aboutH5439 him.X dreadful.H369 nor did him (reverence.php/topic.H7676 and (reverence H3372) my sanctuary:H4720 IH589 am the LORD.Fear or Reverence. fright. H7812) then was HamanH2001 fullH4390 of wrath. X exceedingly. a (sudden) alarm (properly the object feared. (thing) great [fear. H367 ‫המא‬ ‫המיא‬ 'êymâh 'êmâh ay-maw'.bible-truths. ay-maw' From the same as H366.10234.dread (-ful). http://forums.0.H3068 Est 3:5 And when HamanH2001 sawH7200 thatH3588 MordecaiH4782 bowedH3766 not.html (5 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] . fear. Lev 19:30 Ye shall keepH8104 (H853) my sabbaths. morally reverence: .H7676 and (reverence H3372) my sanctuary:H4720 IH589 am the LORD. concretely an idol (as a bugbear): . by implication the feeling): . yir'âh yir-aw' Feminine of H3373. does it Matter?. H6343 ‫דחּפ‬ pachad pakh'-ad From H6342.

shake. horror. fall grievously (with pain). H4172 ‫הרומ‬ ‫ארמ‬ ‫ארומ‬ môrâ' môrâ' môrâh mo-raw'.bear. dance. dread. (make to) bring forth. terrible.com/index. concretely crushed. hence to harass: . terror. to awe or (intransitively) to dread. hope. figuratively to wait. break. mo-raw' From H3372.Fear or Reverence. also afraid. prevail. H6206 ‫ץרע‬ ‛ârats aw-rats' A primitive root.html (6 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] . terribleness.php/topic. (be) sorrow (-ful). wait carefully (patiently). to writhe in pain (especially of parturition) or fear. dread. H2342 ‫ליח‬ ‫לּוח‬ chûl chîyl khool. fear. travail (with pain). grieve. kheel A primitive root. (that ought to be) fear (-ed). fear. fear. oppress. (specifically) to dance. fear. terror.0.dread. tremble. form. rest.bible-truths. be wounded. (be) grievous. shapen. abstractly terror: . stay. (make to) calve. to pervert: . (This is a Stretch) http://forums. properly to twist or whirl (in a circular or spiral manner). dismayed. trust. be in pain.be affrighted (afraid. fear.broken. great. tarry.10234. feared. look. does it Matter?. by implication a fearful thing or deed: . H2844 ‫תח‬ chath khath From H2865. make. idol. dread. mo-raw'. be much (sore) pained. that is. shake terribly. drive away. terrified).

stand in awe. H4034 ‫הרוגמ‬ megôrâh meg-o-raw' Feminine of H4032. dread. (Like a woman in travail) H6342 ‫דחּפ‬ pâchad paw-khad' A primitive root. hence to fear in general: . H7374 ‫טטר‬ http://forums.php/topic. reh-aw-daw' From H7460. H6206 ‫ץרע‬ ‛ârats aw-rats' A primitive root. dread. fear.be affrighted (afraid. affright: . horror. trembling. trembling.html (7 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] . a shudder: . shake terribly.be afraid. break.10234.com/index. prevail. does it Matter?.bible-truths.fearfulness. hence to harass: .fear.fear. to awe or (intransitively) to dread. affright: . H7461 ‫הדער‬ ‫דער‬ ra‛ad re‛âdâh rah'-ad. terrified). feared. make to shake. (be in) fear. H6427 ‫תּוצּלּפ‬ pallâtsûth pal-law-tsooth' From H6426. oppress.0.Fear or Reverence. to be startled (by a sudden alarm).

dwell. properly to turn aside from the road (for a lodging or any other purpose). dreadful.50. terrible. to slink. sojourn (as a guest). also to gather for hostility (as afraid): .Fear or Reverence.0. (be) stranger. inhabitant. H1763 ‫לחּד‬ dechal deh-khal' (Chaldee). corresponding to H2119. fear.html (8 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] . « Last Edit: July 04. that is. and yours is the heritage by the right of God's undertaking given to Abraham. 03:49:26 PM by aqr » Report to moderator 75. also to shrink.fear. male or female: because you are all one in Jesus Christ. http://forums. be afraid. terror: . X surely. fear. servant or free.10234. assemble. 2009. H1481 ‫רּוּג‬ gûr goor A primitive root. or (causatively) be formidable: . fear (as in a strange place).237 Galatian: 3 28-There is no Jew or Greek.make afraid. sojourn.bible-truths.php/topic. stand in awe. 29-And if you are Christ's. reṭeṭ reh'-tet From an unused root meaning to tremble.149. george.abide.com/index. gather (together). does it Matter?. that is. then you are Abraham's seed. (by implication) to fear. remain.

com/index. does it Matter?.php/topic..720.com/index. « Reply #1 on: June 25. which the unlearned and unstable are twisting. According to context it can mean the emotion of being freightened or in the positive emotion of showing reverence. Ray Peace.bible-truths.Mark Report to moderator Logged 2Pe 3:16 as also in all the epistles. and #3374. Was wondering if this email to Ray helps. #3373. in which are some things hard to apprehend.html (9 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] .0. fear [don't be freightened] not: for God is come to prove you.bible-truths. does it Matter?. speaking in them concerning these things. 11:20:00 AM » Quote Hello George. to their own destruction. " God be with you. and that his Fear [reverence] may be before your faces." http://forums. Posts: 735 http://forums. as the rest of the scriptures also. 2009. Marky Mark Bible-Truths Forum Member Offline Re: Fear or Reverence..10234.php/topic.html Dear Chris: In the Hebrew Old Testament we have the word "fear" often translated from three words which are virutally synonymous--Strong's #3372.Fear or Reverence. Exodus 20:20 is a good example of both: " "And Moses said unto the people.0. that ye sin not.

the Greek word 'phobeō' is in the NT 93 times and translated as 'fear' 62 times. deilos]. But look at these many example when 'phobeō' is used in a Godly way: http://forums. Lord. mharrell08 Global Moderator Bible-Truths Forum Member Offline Posts: 1949 Re: Fear or Reverence. and whoremongers. deilos]. Peace. and said unto the sea. and murderers. timid Scriptural examples: Matt 8:25-26 His [Jesus] disciples came to Him. And He said unto them. « Reply #2 on: June 25. Why are ye fearful [Gk. and rebuked the winds and the sea. there are other Greek words translated as both fear and reverence. and rebuked the wind. and idolaters.bible-truths. And the wind ceased.10234. and he shall be my son. shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. does it Matter?. saying. does it Matter?. be still. and there was a great calm.com/index. And He saith unto them. save us: we perish. and I will be his God..php/topic. and the abominable. But the fearful [Gk. and all liars. and awoke him. and sorcerers. O ye of little faith? Then He arose.but only once for reverence. For example. 2009..Fear or Reverence. Also.. and there was a great calm. Mark 8:39-40 He [Jesus] arose.html (10 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] . and unbelieving. deilos]: fearful.0..each one must be taken in regards to the spiritual message/ intent of each scripture (with of course 2-3 spiritual witnesses & matches). Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith? Rev 21:8-9 He that overcometh shall inherit all things. 01:39:48 PM » Quote Hello George. Here is at least one example of fear that is NOT to be present in the saints: fear [Gk.

Each spiritual admonition needs to be looked at in the entire message to get a proper perceptive. Cornelius the centurion.php/topic. And getting back to your original subject. similar to many the definitions of 'love' which Ray goes over a few in his study (http://forums.in every nation he that feareth [phobeō] him. Mark. & John) are of a negative connotation.com/index. Col 3:22 Servants. and one that feareth [phobeō] God.most of them (including almost all in Matt. fearing [phobeō] God. Marques Report to moderator http://forums. obey in all things your masters according to the flesh. I think it definitely matters. is accepted with him. But these are few.. Luke. not with eyeservice.. I think fear is similar to our translations of love from the ancient Greek... etc. and worketh righteousness. as menpleasers. The scriptures admonish us to 'fear' (have reverence.bible-truths.html (11 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] Logged .. respect) in terms of matters of honoring the Lord but also admonish us to NOT 'fear' in matters of not living by faith. Acts 10:35 .they said..10234. Acts 10:22 .html).php/topic. does it Matter?.0..bible-truths.Fear or Reverence..com/index.3719.0. but in singleness of heart... not looking to God but instead ourselves. there are much more ancient Greek definitions and words for 'fear' than what we are used to using in our English.. a just man... Hope this helps.. I believe.

10234.Mark Quote And getting back to your original subject.. According to context it can mean the emotion of being frightened or in the positive emotion of showing reverence. http://forums. that ye sin not. com/index.similar to many the definitions of 'love' which Ray goes over a few in his study (http://forums.com/index.html (12 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] .0.html).html Dear Chris: In the Hebrew Old Testament we have the word "fear" often translated from three words which are virtually synonymous--Strong's #3372.bible-truths. aqr Re: Fear or Reverence. and that his Fear [reverence] may be before your faces. 2009.. #3373. Not Ever.bible-truths.0. does it Matter?.720. " God be with you. 11:20:00 AM Hello George. The scriptures admonish us to 'fear' (have reverence.bible-truths.php/topic.php/topic. does it Matter?. Bible-Truths Forum Member Offline Posts: 1985 God's Love Never Fails.Fear or Reverence. 2009.com/index. Ray Peace. and #3374. Exodus 20:20 is a good example of both: " "And Moses said unto the people. fear [don't be freightened] not: for God is come to prove you.php/topic. « Reply #3 on: June 25...3719. I think it definitely matters. respect) in terms of matters of honoring the Lord but also admonish us to NOT 'fear' in matters of http://forums. 09:04:39 PM » Quote Modify Remove Quote from: Marky Mark on June 25. Was wondering if this email to Ray helps.0.

etc. We need to learn The Scriptures and question all traditions of man.php/topic. whenever and wherever it it rears its Beastly head. Hope this helps. Marques Mark. Well since knowing that Bibles are translated by humans that was a big question that had to be swallowed for lack of better understanding. george. The Beast is never dead until Jesus Christ Returns. And all the earth marveled after the beast. when we buy the world and things seen. not looking to God but instead ourselves. does it Matter?.0. That is the very reason for my current research and study. and causes the earth and those dwelling in it to worship the first beast.10234. I believe. http://forums. For years i have read the Bible and wondered actually could see that many times in Scripture. and its deadly wound was healed. Each spiritual admonition needs to be looked at in the entire message to get a proper perceptive. because it is the innerrant word of GOD. not living by faith. Just could not see it because i was always told never to question the Bible.Fear or Reverence. whose deadly wound was healed.bible-truths. Now These Scriptures below are making a lot more sense. Rev 13:3 (MKJV) And I saw one of its heads as having been slain to death. we will always marvel at it rising again and again.html (13 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] . fear was not the appropriate word to use in certain verses. Rev 13:12 (MKJV) And it exercises all the authority of the first beast before him.com/index. Marques.

04:46:40 PM » Hi all. male or female: because you are all one in Jesus Christ. Not Ever.html (14 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] .149. 29-And if you are Christ's. have spoken...10234. does it Matter?. and yours is the heritage by the right of God's undertaking given to Abraham. I will use you to show the nations that I am holy. The explanation at the end of the verse (regarding fools) suggests it must mean reverence. Nice post there george regarding the beast. 24 Grams Guest Re: Fear or Reverence.Fear or Reverence.php/topic. http://forums. servant or free. Quote « Reply #4 on: July 15. 24 I will take you from every nation and country and bring you back to your own land. does it Matter?. I. But Pro 1:7 did it for me. 2009. fear. Eze 36: 23 When I demonstrate to the nations the holiness of my great name---the name you disgraced among them---then they will know that I am the LORD.237 Galatian: 3 28-There is no Jew or Greek. Report to moderator aqr Bible-Truths Forum Member Re: Fear or Reverence. Quote « Reply #5 on: July 15. 2009. than Reverence For GOD. the Sovereign LORD. 07:11:12 PM » Logged Modify Remove Offline Posts: 1985 That beast (human heart and mind) would much rather we have God's Love Never Fails. then you are Abraham's seed. Report to moderator 75. does it Matter?.com/index. for whatever we fear we tend to avoid.bible-truths. Eze 11:19 I will give them a new heart and a new mind.0. I will take away their stubborn heart of stone and will give them an obedient heart.50.

Instead. not because of what we have done. of witnessing for our Lord.html (15 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] . we will really know the beginning of GOD'S LOVE for us.Fear or Reverence. (fearful) instead. and Why we should Reverence HIM. but because of his own purpose and grace. love. Once that (evil heart of unbelief and the carnal mind) that is always thinking of doing evil is changed. neither be ashamed of me. a prisoner for Christ's sake. 2Ti 1: 7-10 (GNB) 7 For the Spirit that God has given us does not make us timid. 26 I will give you a new heart and a new mind. He gave us this grace by means of Christ Jesus before the beginning of time.0. his Spirit fills us with power. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you and make you clean from all your idols and everything else that has defiled you.com/index.10234. 8 Do not be ashamed.php/topic. does it Matter?. Christ Jesus. 27 I will put my spirit in you and will see to it that you follow my laws and keep all the commands I have given you. 10 but now it has been revealed to us through the coming of our Savior. He has ended the power of death and through the gospel has revealed immortal life. as God gives you the strength for it. george. and selfcontrol. I will take away your stubborn heart of stone and give you an obedient heart. take your part in suffering for the Good News. http://forums. then. 9 He saved us and called us to be his own people.bible-truths.

24 Grams Guest Re: Fear or Reverence. he walked on the water. bid me come unto thee on the water.com/index. Not necessarily fear. does it Matter?. and they cried out for fear. It is a spirit. "And he said. And when Peter was come down out of the ship. saying. and said unto him. and I was afraid. Lord. and caught him.. but more so afraid. Nice. « Reply #6 on: July 16.php/topic. And Peter answered him and said.10234. it is I. http://forums. 2009. "And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea. wherefore didst thou doubt? (Matt.50. George. Lord.bible-truths. But straightway Jesus spake unto them. to go to Jesus. Be of good cheer. saying. Nice.. does it Matter?. he was afraid. and beginning to sink.. But when he saw the wind boisterous. The Spiritually naked are afraid. And he said. and yours is the heritage by the right of God's undertaking given to Abraham. And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand. male or female: because you are all one in Jesus Christ.237 Galatian: 3 28-There is no Jew or Greek. he cried.I shall add too. servant or free.. and I hid myself. save me. because I was naked." and notice this also.Fear or Reverence. I heard thy voice in the garden. saying. O thou of little faith.html (16 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] . We tend to fear things we don't trust. Report to moderator 75. then you are Abraham's seed. they were troubled. 04:26:36 PM » Quote Hi All." Jesus said do not be afraid of Him. if it be thou. 29-And if you are Christ's. be not afraid.149. 14:26-31) His doubt caused him to fear.0. Come.

06:08:19 PM » Quote I think these word in one way are all the same.. Very timely.0. 17:5-7) there are more verses that show being afraid because of not believing but this might be of topic. Quote « Reply #7 on: July 16. they fell on their face. And when the disciples heard it. In mans fallen state any encounter with the "Holy" therefore results in Fear http://forums.speaking to me. and be not afraid.php/topic. and again Jesus says do not be afraid. all impurities will stand out.. I'll post it later though.. If your heart is rebellious in any way then you will have fear. 04:35:29 PM » George. 2009.com/index. It is more like a two edge sword. this thread is such a help... Report to moderator meee Guest Logged Re: Fear or Reverence. You are truly made naked in His presence. and said. Arise. as I am currently re-reading about this exact subject.Fear or Reverence. does it Matter?.10234. "While he yet spake. God inspired! hugs & love. And Jesus came and touched them. If you believe and have a changed heart you recognize Yaweh as your soverign and KNOW that He is totally in charge. does it Matter?.html (17 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] . which said.bible-truths. 2009. does it Matter?. and were sore afraid. in whom I am well pleased. behold. This is my beloved Son.meee Report to moderator Beloved Bible-Truths Forum Member Offline Posts: 1210 Logged Re: Fear or Reverence. a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud." (Matt. hear ye him. « Reply #8 on: July 16.

Fear or Reverence.php/topic. 2009. and of a sound mind.html (18 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] . Geoff.0. Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Rejoice.bible-truths. Phil 4:6-7. Offline Posts: 28 2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear.10234.. which passeth all understanding. Report to moderator Logged Be careful for nothing. but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.now I see that Yaweh's actions are always for my Good and that He Himself is Good and I try to rest in this thought more because we all will have to have the dross removed. beloved Report to moderator Geoff NewPoster BibleTruths Forum Member Logged Re: Fear or Reverence. 08:11:55 PM » This Says it for me.. and of love. shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Quote « Reply #9 on: July 16.com/index. The white throne will be a fearful experience for ALLl. And the peace of God. http://forums.. does it Matter?. That is why the scriptures often have to tell the recipent of the visitation to "fear not" At this encounter one is forced to recognizes ones inadquacies and therefore fears judgment and punishment. but of power. Rejoice in the Lord always: again I say. does it Matter?. I used to think that it was impossible to "love" a God that one feard.

will he be http://forums.Fear or Reverence. and Reverence.0. for his good pleasure. even as ye have always obeyed. swellings. Quote « Reply #10 on: July 16. 29 Of how much worse punishment.com/index. and should myself be found of you such as ye would not. backbitings. 13 for (unless you do understand) it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work. and repented not of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they committed. jealousy. 27 but a certain fearful looking for judgment and fiery indignation. which shall devour the adversaries. Not Ever. whisperings. aqr Bible-Truths Forum Member Re: Fear or Reverence. 2009.bible-truths. 21 lest again when I come my God should humble me before you. Heb 10: 26-30 (MKJV) 26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth. not as in my presence only. but now much more in my absence. my beloved. do you suppose. 09:18:45 PM » Modify Remove Offline Posts: 1985 To make this clearer though.10234. there remains no more sacrifice for sins. 2Co 12: 20-21 (ASV) 20 For I fear.html (19 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] . lest by any means there should be strife. I should find you not such as I would. (note: the adversaries) 28 He who despised Moses' Law died without mercy on the word of two or three witnesses. The Scriptures do address both Fear God's Love Never Fails.php/topic. wraths. does it Matter?. when I come. work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. tumults. and I should mourn for many of them that have sinned heretofore. lest by any means. Php 2: 12-13 (ASV) 12 So then. Below are three examples of why fear is very real in some cases. does it Matter?. factions.

my beloved. 03:01:16 AM » Quote Quote from: aqr on July 16. George. but now much more in my absence. Report to moderator 75.0.html (20 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] . not of ourselves. « Reply #11 on: July 17. for his good pleasure. 13 for (unless you do understand) it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work. says the Lord. mharrell08 Global Moderator Bible-Truths Forum Member Offline Posts: 1949 Re: Fear or Reverence.bible-truths. work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 'For' means because or 'the reason why' NOT 'unless' or another alternative. the one who has trampled the Son of God..10234. "The Lord shall judge His people. and who has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy thing.50. servant or free.com/index. even as ye have always obeyed. 2009.php/topic." And again.149. and yours is the heritage by the right of God's undertaking given to Abraham. "Vengeance belongs to Me. 29-And if you are Christ's. http://forums. does it Matter?.we must work out our own salvation with fear & trembling because it is all up to God. 09:18:45 PM Php 2: 12-13 (ASV) 12 So then. male or female: because you are all one in Jesus Christ. I will repay. then you are Abraham's seed. not as in my presence only. 2009." george. does it Matter?.237 Galatian: 3 28-There is no Jew or Greek. and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who has said.Fear or Reverence.. thought worthy of punishment.

bible-truths.php/topic.html#msg8716): Dear Steve: Yes. 2:12-13). not we. Rom. God be with you. does it Matter?. but now much more in my absence. etc. my beloved.php/ topic.msg17726.bible-truths. but rather http://forums. 5:18. WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION with fear and trembling" WHY? "For [for means 'because'] it is GOD [Who? GOD! Men? No. We "work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.10234. But although we are made to live out our indiviedual experiences of life.Fear or Reverence. Ray Email reply from Ray (http://forums. Is there a church anywhere on earth that believes this Scripture? I know of none.com/index. We HAVE to make decisions and choices in life: it is forced upon us by the very nature of things.com/index. We have to live.msg8716. indirectly.1030. This is the Truth of Scripture.com/index. who bring about the doing. 11:36. all that God accomplishes through us depends on us doing what He wants us to do. few in the world give a hoot about what the Scriptures say: "Wherefore. But it is GOD. behind it all is God.bible-truths. however.2199.php/ topic.html (21 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] . Salvation is incorporated into the process of living. as ye have always obeyed. not as in my presence only.html#msg17726): COMMENT: "ALL is of God" (II Cor.0. Email reply from Ray (http://forums. GOD!] which works in you BOTH TO WILL AND TO DO of His good pleasure" (Phil.)." not because we have the ability to do so independent of God. We are made to live.

10234.html#msg3111): I have people asking me to "Please explain the Bible to me. This sounds like a contradiction to most people.." Or: "Show me how to do God's perfect will so that I will be happy and have purpose in my life. Here is what Paul instructs us: "Wherefore.Fear or Reverence. WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING. I will help as much as lies within me." Why? "For [because] it is GOD which works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasre" (Phil. not as in my presence only. because of what we are told in the next verse: "For [for means BECAUSE--here is the REASON we work out our own salvation].0. Ray Email reply from Ray (http://forums. does it Matter?. Ray. God be with you.html (22 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] . God will CAUSE you to work all these things out in your life.bible-truths.For it is GOD which workies in you BOTH TO WILL AND TO DO of His good pleasure" (Phil. Hope you understand.373.com/index. as ye have always obeyed. but I cannot give you all the answers in an email.bible-truths. and would never see these Philippians again] ..msg3111.php/ topic." I can't really do these things. but now much more in my absence [Paul was now in prison in Rome. and I have too many email to write long essay type answers. 2:12-12). You MUST rely on God IN FAITH for all of these things in your life. We cannot look to our own devices or works--only God can and will save us. my beloved.com/index. 2:13). http://forums.php/topic. The reason that we "work out our own slavation with fear and trembling" is because it is ALL OF GOD.

18 There is no fear in love. http://forums. Quote « Reply #12 on: July 17. Bunni Report to moderator Logged 1 John 4:7-8 Beloved. and like you I had to swallow it.10234. because God is love. 2009.com/index. As new creatures in Christ we are learning to revere Daddy God in His awesome plan for us and the world. It didn't make sense. God be with you.Fear or Reverence.php/topic. I John 4:17-18 (NKJV) 17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment. and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. For myself as I think how could this scripture be true when fable hell was fearful. Now it makes sense to me as I know it is God of Love doing it all. does it Matter?. let us love one another. because as He is. 09:03:00 AM » This scriptures comes to mind when reading all of the above.bible-truths. Marques Report to moderator bunnylife Bible-Truths Forum Member Offline Posts: 62 Logged Re: Fear or Reverence. For God is Love.html (23 of 24) [7/17/2010 10:57:00 AM] .0. does it Matter?. but perfect love casts out fear. now judgment has come to the house of God. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love. for love is from God. In His Joy... 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God. When is the day of judgment. because fear involves torment (punishment). terrible . so are we in this world. Ray Thanks.

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