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INTERVIEW WITH: INTERVIEWER: DATE: David "Avocado" Wolfe Lucien Gauthier April 2010

April 2010 Interview – Part 1 David: Fire away.

Lucien: All right. Let's do it. Hello everyone. This is Lucien Gauthier. I am here with David "Avocado" Wolfe. We are doing the April interview and this is our springtime interview. This is a perfect time to ask Avocado about gardening and about some of the things he is doing working with the Earth, in the Earth, hands in the Earth, hands-on experience working with plants and seeds and all that good stuff. So David, [00:00:31] how are you doing this month? David: We are having a very early spring up here in Ontario, and it's just been awesome because we've been out all day gardening, and essentially there are no bugs out there. So we are getting like a late fall or early fall kind of weather, warm but no bugs. So you know I am able to eat stuff out of the garden. Under all that snow that had melted down there was a lot of action going on. I mean there is a lot of stuff springing out [00:01:00] right now. So I had a salad the other day that was all wild foods, and I was amazed. There is tons of food to eat.

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the Earth, with the food that we eat, we can't overlook gardening. Gardening is a huge part of longevity, and if you look at people who are really into gardening, anyone who is really into gardening and anyone who works with plants, works [00:01:28] with the soil, has their hands in the Earth, these people are generally healthier, they live longer lives, emotionally more balanced. What kind of connections can you put in people's minds between gardening, getting connected to the Earth, hands in the soil and longevity health and even things like overall emotional well-being? David: There are so many connections I think it's an absolutely necessity that if you live in a city that you have a plan [00:01:59] to get out of that city at least occasionally, and maybe get a farmhouse you know way out the woods. And one of the things that's great about farmhouses way out in the woods is that nobody wants them anymore. They are trying to get rid of them. So you might get really lucky with a really good deal. Save up your money and get a place outside the city that you can eventually retire to or get away to during the weekends when you have a chance. [00:02:18] The connection with gardening and longevity is probably the fundamental connection, because being out there today like I was, barefoot and barehanded in the soil and you know just connecting with that rebirth of springtime and all that stuff that's coming up, it was just amazing. I just felt so good in the last couple days. And then on Monday, a couple days ago, it was a very interesting kind of rough day. It was a very wild and tumultuous day, and then I [00:02:50] just, at the end of the day thought, "Okay. Tomorrow is going to be the best day ever." Boom, sunny skies, gardened all day, same thing today, two days in a row. It just felt like literally the best ever. Longevity-wise I mean, you know I was just in Bali and I
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got to see people who were 70, 75, who were barefoot their whole life, gardened, who basically have a little fruit forest in their one-acre plot or two-acre plot, and they are just so happy, [00:03:20] and they are totally amazingly ripped. Like they are like muscular and a just beautiful physique, amazing. People in their seventies. I mean I saw a guy, 71, who just looked like he was ripped. I mean, he had a ripped stomach. People were just flipping out. They could not believe this guy's age. And there he was, he was barefoot. So you know that connection there. We know you know from the research that hardened criminals, people who have you know committed [00:03:47] atrocious crimes in their life do a lot better psychologically and emotionally when they have the opportunity to garden. We know that juvenile delinquents improve their behavior when they have a chance to put their hands in the soil. Through our Fruit Tree Planting Foundation we have been taking people at drug rehabilitation centers who don't want to move off the couch – all they are doing is smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee, they don't want to move [00:04:11] off the couch, and as soon as we get to planting they get so into it and they are having so much fun they actually don't want us to leave. And we've had that experience, so that's always really awesome and insightful. And then you know the selection of what you are growing. I'm kind of a wild food gardener. I really prefer to eat some of the wild things that are in the garden. I like the stuff that I've planted that comes back each year, and [00:04:33] this year was a banner year because I had four lavenders that survived the winter up here. I've spent three years trying to get a lavender variety that will survive the winter up here, and it looks like hit it this time. That's really exciting. And those little, you know, those little triumphs, they do a lot for you at a very deep level, because our connection with gardening and planting is a very deep one and our connection with
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farming is probably the most ancient [00:04:59] practice we have on this Earth. So you know it relives all that inside your – in your biology you get to kind of reconnect to what your ancestors were up to. It's very calming, it's very relaxing. It's absolutely to me like the greatest joy. I mean I couldn't think of anything I would rather be doing than being in my garden. Lucien: And so Dave, we have the actual sort of activity of gardening which is the mental-emotional connection to the [00:05:25] Earth, we have, we have the connection between our skin and the Earth, the soil and our hands. The food that we eat. You know, when I grew up we had, my mother had a garden. We had tomatoes, we had cucumber, we had – what else did we have? We had zucchini. Zucchini was the big one. Actually I was forced by my father to go out in the neighborhood and sell zucchinis for 25¢ in the neighborhood. I remember this as clear as day. [00:05:48] It was utterly embarrassing to go out to the different neighbors and try to sell my zucchinis. Because he was really business-minded and my mother was really gardening-minded, and so she would have us make all these amazing things, and planting rows and doing all the amazing gardening stuff, and then he would have us sell it trying to make a buck. What I remember most is the actual food that we ate, when we actually had it in the kitchen making our salads, [00:06:14] when we ate that food I never felt better than when I put that food in my body. I didn't realize it at the time, but sort of planting your own food, growing your own food, that is where we are trying to go. Correct? David: Absolutely. And we supplement our diet with foods that we obtain wildly. Now because we are speaking to our group, you know, which is TheBestDayEver.com members, I really want to emphasize this point is that [00:06:41] you, just for your own emotional well-being, you do want to begin to look deeply into this idea of
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getting outside of a city, getting near a forest where you can do that, where you can supplement your diet with wild food, grow a garden and become sustainable. And see what that's like, and see what it is like to actually be sustainable on this Earth, which is – you know, we are a million miles from a sustainable reality. And I [00:07:06] want to mention this, Lou. This has been an interesting rant this week for me. Really like an interesting thoughtform came through this week, and that is, you know, we are insulated inside a bubble of the fake and the phony. That is the nature of our technology, it's what we have been dealing with our whole lives. But what is interesting about the Internet is it's allowing us to penetrate through into something genuine, authentic, pure and real. And that's really [00:07:40] what I believe TheBestDayEver is: it's like it's a puncture hole right through that bubble of the fake and the phony that allows people to actually get through into a portal of what is authentic and what is real. And ultimately that idea is the idea behind the movie Avatar. Right? Because one of the fundamental questions of this movie – and regardless of what we think about it, this is the biggest movie of all time in all of history. [00:08:09] Lucien: Yep. David: Bigger than Star Wars, bigger than ET, bigger than – what was that? Ghost – you know, bigger than any of this stuff. And what a mes-, the big message of Avatar is: can our self-same technology that got us into this mess, can it be utilized to actually allow us to penetrate through into something that is authentic and real? Can we penetrate out of our crippled reality and get into [00:08:36] something that is natural? And ultimately the message of that movie is not only can we but it's an absolute rebirth to do so.
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Lucien: And this brings up a really interesting point. I was trying to formulate this in my mind before the interview tonight but I think you just said it spectacularly, which is the way our society is moving and the technological advances that we find ourselves in the middle of, it seems from one point of view that it is taking us away from nature, [00:09:04] it's taking us away from what the authentic is, taking us away from what is real. But actually, we can actually use that to get us back into what is real, what is authentic and what is natural – because ultimately the only way we are going to have health and longevity is by getting back to what is natural. And that is natural foods, natural substances, away from drugs, away from all those things. But it's a very interesting conversation to have, because [00:09:29] we are not – well, let me phrase it like this: Do you think that the way that we are moving in society is going back to let's say an agrarian society that is devoid of technology or is technology still going to increase, improve, develop, but within that we are going to have to find a way, a clever method to get back to what is natural within that sort of development? David: I guess I am seeing a bifurcation. You know, it's the best time ever, [00:09:57] it's the worst time ever. We are seeing, you know, tremendous explosion of technology where you know there will be— Right now – listen to this – in December of 1992 the very first text message was sent. Today, this day – today, this very day that you are listening to this right now – more text messages were sent on this Earth than the population of the Earth. We are moving very quickly to a time when there will be so much cell phone technology [00:10:29] out there – and we are already almost there – that it will almost be throwaway. You will have cell phone technology that will tell you where the nearest wild foods are, you will have
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cell phone technology that will tell you where the nearest store is, you will have cell phone technology to tell you where this city is and just guide you right there. And I mean it's going to be so replicate-able that it will probably be sold to us in the way that plastic bottles [00:10:51] are sold to us, "Oh, just throw it away." So we have that on one side. On the other side, what this technology is doing for us it is allowing us to be wherever we want to be, doing whatever we want to do, while participating in the citylike economy of what used to exist maybe 100 years ago or 200 years ago in cities where you would have lots of friends, lots of connections, lots of opportunities, you know, lots of social possibilities. [00:11:19] I mean all this kind of stuff now is boom, it's been delivered to us on the Internet. We could in a farmhouse in the middle of Maine and access all of it. Therefore we don't actually need to be in cities anymore. We can do it all from wherever we can get a Wi-Fi connection or cell phone reception, and that to me is very interesting and very promising – especially as we develop more and more technology to shield ourselves from the dangers [00:11:42] of cell phones and Wi-Fi and all of that – of which the grounding technology is a great example. Lucien: And I think you are a great example, David, at how you combine living naturally, living wholistically, eating raw, natural living foods and not being a quote "Luddite," rejecting technology, rejecting some of the things that we know we need to actually work and function in today's society. Because there [00:12:10] are a lot of people that say, "Look. I'm going to give up all of this technology stuff and I am just going to move to a farm in the countryside." And that's great. And what you are doing is slightly different. You are kind of finding a middle way between the two extremes and you are taking the best of both worlds and using it to
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promote health and longevity. David: That's what I love to do, and I tell you, what I have been able [00:12:29] to do in my career was never possible before the cell phone age, before the Wi-Fi age, before the Internet age. Like I have actually been answering emails while driving around Iceland, you know, running several businesses while you know getting ready to jump in a hot springs in Iceland. I mean, you know, in the middle of nowhere. It's totally outrageous. And I've been doing that for years, so you know definitely my life has been a very strong example of what [00:12:59] can be done with technology so you can have your cherimoya and eat it too and get both, you know, all the good stuff. Now you know as I'm speaking right now I'm actually reaching underneath my bed and grabbing my grounded sheet just to protect myself from the call and the phone. It is always interesting to be reminded at all the resources that we do have at our disposal and use them to our advantage. Lucien: And that leads into the next question, which is on the heels, [00:13:30] we're coming right off of the heels of the Longevity Conference. One of the really big breakthrough type of technologies and pieces of information that we were exposed to was that of grounding. And it seems that you know going over what you had said during the conference, that you know you spent years and years teaching people how to drink wheatgrass and do you know do wheatgrass shots and all [00:13:52] these other things that are really hard. The one thing that we really needed, the one thing that we had to have, was something dead easy, connecting us to the Earth, and that brings us to grounding. And I would also like to open up to any, any other avenues that you sort of see as developmental in terms of where we are going in longevity and health coming out
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of the longevity conference. What are some of the things that sort of the doors that you saw opening up during [00:14:17] that conference and where things are heading? David: Well, I'm definitely feeling like this grounding technology is kind of the big news. Not only out of that conference, but it's the big news of the next decade, without question, and it is the easiest technology ever for health – by far. And I know for sure that that handed right into my lap because I literally attempted to do the impossible, which is get people to you know do wheatgrass [00:14:47] enemas – which is you know next to impossible if you really think about it. When you go out into the world as I did for so many years and you know literally promoting raw foods and superfoods, you know most people would rather eat burgers and say forget about it, let's go see a movie. So I know that that – that there is some kind of a connection there that is very interesting. Beyond that what I took out of that conference is there is [00:15:10] definitely an aligning of forces in the natural health world with Paul Stamets, Dr. Mercola, myself, all, you know all our whole team, Jason Wrobel, Solla Ericks [spelling?] from Iceland and all the folks who were making food, and just that whole group – Ian Clark, Dr. Stewart Blaikie. We are all on the same page. We are all coming to the same conclusions and we are on the same page. And that is very promising, because step-by-step as more [00:15:39] doctors step onboard, more naturopaths step on board, more health advocates step onboard, more fitness experts step onboard, we are going to present a wall, a force that is so powerful to the general public that it's irresistible. It's like, you know, it's not arguable so all of a sudden people just go, "Okay, that's what I've got to do.” And then those people who do take action will get the results faster than anyone else before has ever gotten results [00:16:06] – because we
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are putting it all together: the vitamin B12 piece, the vitamin D3 piece, the raw foods, the superfoods, the superherbs, the living spring water, the overall cuisine – the sophistication of the flavors, what's happening with chocolate – and just all of it is coming together and everybody is on the same page. Lucien: It was really remarkable to see all these alliances forged. Like you say – Dr. Mercola. Some of the people [00:16:30] have not been there before, like Paul Stamets, and this is their first time venturing into the foray of our audience of raw and living foods and the superfoods and the superherbs, which is a piece of the puzzle that was missing I think for some of the other people. We kind of brought it all together. And some of the pieces that were missing for us, like you say, the vitamin D3 and things like that, all the pieces that were missing for everyone were kind of [00:16:55] brought together in one group in one weekend, and now these alliances have been forged and we, we have really developed, like you say, an overwhelming health protocol that people really – they are going to get so many results so fast, so quick it's going to be inarguable. David: It is coming to that very quickly, because the Internet allows it. The Internet allows us to cross-reference data in a way that was never possible before. As Marshall McLuhan [00:17:23] said, you know, "The only job of the future is information gathering." Well that information has now been gathered, and some startling results have been reported and some startling strategies have presented themselves and, you know, where you are at, I'm at, the crew on TheBestDayEver, Dr. Mercola and his team, Paul Stamets, everybody is like, "Okay. This is what we are doing now." So we all benefited [00:17:50] from each other. We are definitely moving forward with a much stronger alliance, and I see you know great things for the future of health in
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the world. Of course there is going to be the other side. Which you know, they are heading off, you know, off the side of a cliff, but on the other side you know we have got a pretty strong picture. Another thing that is coming up quite a bit and probably people are thinking about who are listening right now is the whole [00:18:13] vegetarian-carnivore bit. Like, "Should we be eating raw meat? Should we be eating dairy? Should we be a vegetarian? Should we be vegan?" Ultimately this is a question that we have to decide individually. There are ways to do all of that healthfully. And that thing is coming to an interesting alliance as well, where the carnivores are coming over to support the vegetarians, and the vegetarians are coming over to support the carnivores and we are starting [00:18:45] to get an alliance that we have never had before between those worlds. And that is pretty darn amazing as well. Lucien: And just to conclude this first segment of the interview, let's just address something to the people who maybe have joined TheBestDayEver from whatever affiliation or connection that they have had and they are in a position that they are working a regular 9 to 5 job or they are working at home, they grew up on you know processed food, fruit loops, [00:19:14] milk, regular stuff, and they found their way into the site and they are thinking, "Okay. I am exposed now to an overwhelming amount of information that is way beyond what I am capable of. Where the heck do I start? What do I do? Give me some simple, easy steps on how to begin." What do you say to those people? David: #1 step is start shopping organic. Right? And most of this – it's just like, it's just like success information. Most [00:19:42] of it is just going right over the head, and you know we are not making sense of it yet. We will eventually. Just like we learn anything, we have got to start somewhere. And so we are at the you know
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graduate level course of health, sciences and nutrition and all that. So what we want to do is we, boom, we go into an organic health food store. #2 we throw away all our supplements. [00:20:03] Actually we throw it into our garden, all our supplements that contain calcium carbonate, calcium citrate, calcium malate, calcium fructoborate, calcium pantothenate, all of them that the calcium has been dug up out of the Earth that when we eat it causes us to become calcified, age quickly, develop chronic inflammation and retire from this world early. So you know we get rid of that. That's step 1 [00:20:22] and 2. Step #3 get on the right kind of water. And we have got to figure that out for ourselves, but you know, it's just a mission. Like you just take it on. It's like, "Okay. Now I've got to get my water situation figured out." Anybody can do it. And you can start wherever you want. Let's say you are in Los Angeles. Boom, get connected with the people who are going up to the Tummy [correct word?; Belly?] Ache Springs up in Ojai and start to get some water from that spring. Maybe [00:20:47] you want to go up to Palomar Mountain, you know, south of Los Angeles and get your water from the spring up at the top there. Maybe you just want to get the water that you are drinking to another higher level but you can't get to a spring right now because it's just too much, boom, get bottled water in glass from sacred springs somewhere. There is plenty of that kind of stuff available in all major cities all over the world. Just as you can find fine wine in any [00:21:13] city all over the world you can also find fine water, spring water that is already bottled in glass for you. So working your way off the plastic is kind of what I am alluding to. That's another step. Here's another step, is getting in to the mindset of the add-on. This is just all an add-on. There is no like, "You have to do this or that" or whatever. There is no, "Get rid
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of that," it's just, "Here, add this in. Try that out." [00:21:39] Step-by-step, one-by-one by adding in the good stuff it gradually crowds out the bad stuff and we start to develop momentum. One more thing I want to say is also developing a momentum in the sense of watching very meticulously for how peer pressure is affecting your health choices. Start to observe that in your life so you see certain people who will cause you to behave in certain ways, you know, and do things you regret later. And I had that of course in my life, [00:22:12] and early on I actually had to let some friends go because their behavior was causing me to conduct poor behaviors and then I had to eventually say, "Okay, that's it." Even though these were great friends of mine. I still you know love them to this day and I miss them, I had to at some point say, "That lifestyle is not for me. It is not conducive to being healthy." So that's another piece, the relationship piece. Lucien: That's [00:22:35] very interesting, and really to the water piece you know we support Daniel Vitalis and what he is doing with Findaspring.com, and that is something I just brought up on my computer actually to see how that has been developing, and that site, the amount of pinpricks that have been put on the map since about six months ago, has literally gone up 1000%. There are hundreds more pinpricks [00:22:58] on that map in the last couple months than I have seen since I last checked. It's unbelievable. And the great about the, like you say, the Internet and the Information Age, is that now that we are onto where to get the spring water, where to get the fresh water, where to get the clean water, where to get the actual good mineralized water, it is all being put by people who are checking it out for themselves, going online and just [00:23:23] sticking that pinprick on the map. And it's there right now. So you can find it. There is no reason
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anywhere in the United States now. I can see just hundreds of them now on that site. It's amazing. David: That is a really important resource, Findaspring.com, for all of us, because we have been saying this over and over, Lou, but you know it's true, it's getting easier actually – for everybody. That is something to consider too, is that it isn't actually overwhelming. It's actually a little be underwhelming. It has become easier and easier and easier to actually get access to the real core crucial health information and take action on it. It has never been as easy as it is right now. You have got the support across the Internet. Now Facebook – listen to this statistic: Facebook is now the 4th largest country in the world. Lucien: Wow. David: So imagine being able to connect with all [00:24:16] those friends on Facebook, all that support, find out what everybody is doing. You know, you friend somebody on Facebook, you find out what is going on, you find out how they are doing with their raw food. I am thinking of my friend Teresa Jordan in Los Angeles. She puts something on Facebook five, six times a day about her raw food life there, and it's really valuable for people who are brand new – especially people [00:24:37] who are in her age category, you know, who are maybe in that zone, maybe 45 to 50, women, you know 45 to 50 years old women who are in that zone where like, "I've got to make a major change," and boom, there is Teresa just guiding the way step-by-step-by-step on how you do it, moment-tomoment, right through Facebook. Unbelievable.

April 2010 Interview – Part 2 Lucien: Now we are going to move into the segment of the interview where we answer people's questions on the
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Forums, and this is a pivotal part of TheBestDayEver.com. When you sign up to TheBestDayEver.com you are getting access to all the cutting edge information from David Wolfe, Truth Calkins, we've got George Lamoureux on the Jing herbs, we have got Camille Goji Girl, who has been with David Wolfe for many, many years [00:00:32] helping with women's health issues. We have got such an amazing amount of information, such amazing experts who are answering your questions. We have an amazing community. We have Forums, we have all sorts of amazing stuff. This is what you pay for when you join TheBestDayEver.com and David is taking the time out of his you know amazingly busy schedule to answer your questions on the Forum that you post so that you can get personalized answers to your [00:00:58] questions. Hopefully there are other people out there listening that you know can really benefit from this information as well, friends and family. So here we are going to tackle the really amazing questions. I mean we are always blown away. I remember listening to an interview from one of the early ones of you and Len, Dave, and Len was saying in the interview, and in the interview itself he said, you know – and I think it was the first or the second [00:01:19] ones you guys had ever done for TheBestDay.com, he said, you know, "What are we going to do when we run out of questions? What are we going to do? There is like only so much you can ask related to raw food." And in your answer you said, "There will be plenty of questions. Don't worry, Len," and to this day, 8 years later, there is an unending amount of questions and there are infinite answers. So here we go. We are kicking off the second part of the [00:01:43] interview. This first question is related to lemons: Dear David, I really resonate with your suggestion in the February interview to ingest large amounts of lemon juice
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for liver cleansing, but I am gradually shifting my diet towards more native and wild foods and living British Columbia, Canada. Lemons are definitely not a native species. Is there anything that would be analogous to lemons not just in liver cleansing effects but [00:02:09] in terms of flavor and energetics as well that is native to Canada? David: That is such a good question. I was thinking that the other day, because I've been thinking to myself and I was thinking the exact same thought. And the answer is vinegar. That's your – that's your apple cider vinegar would be your reasonable corollary to lemon. So you would, you know, for example collect your apples in the late summer, early fall, you would process them down and [00:02:43] let them break down into vinegar, and then you would keep that vinegar right through the winter, and then that's like kind of a tonic that you kind of ingest here, there and everywhere, and it's got the acetic acid as opposed to the citric acid and it has the shortchain fatty acids which are antifungal and antiviral and have some interesting properties, and it has a hydration property that is very similar to lemon. So that, [00:03:12] that is the corollary for that ecosystem. Now I have been pretty darned amazed with, with this little lime tree that I am growing here in Canada, that I take it out in the spring-summer-autumn and then bring it in for the winter. Right now it's in full flower, and what a cool little plant. So that's something you can do too. You can actually grow citrus in a way that's kind of – it's kind of like you know you just work with the seasons [00:03:38] and you can, you can kind of nurture it along. And citrus is pretty tough. Now there is a story that was put out by John Hamaker who wrote The Survival of Civilization with Don Weaver, and you may want to contact Don Weaver about this. I think his email is EarthDon@yahoo.com, and ask him
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about this story. I have been meaning to do this [00:03:57] for years. And if he gives a response please post it on TheBestDayEver. And ask him this: John Hamaker claimed that he grew an orange tree in Michigan outside and his main modality was he just kept feeding that thing rock dust and more rock dust and more rock dust, and it became so hardy it was able to survive the winters in Michigan. That's a pretty shocking story, but it would be amazing if it was true. And then, you know, then you are eating [00:04:22] something that is really in your ecosystem. So that's my answer to that question. Lucien: Okay. Fantastic. This next question is related to an interview that we did on fungus with a fungal expert Gila Varis, and it is looking at reconciling some of the issues with what we take to boost the immune system that also may be increasing the pathogens in our body. They are a feeding source as well. So let's we'll try to sort through this. Dear David, I was recently listening to an audio recording from Gila Varis, Fungus. She mentioned that if one is suffering from an autoimmune disorder to not take immune-boosting herbs or to only take them once a week, that this will actually tonify the disorder. Could you elaborate on autoimmune disorders and what that entails plus a protocol for herbs that should be avoided and herbs that one should focus on? And he gives some specifics. David: Very [00:05:25] good. Okay. Let's start out with: Autoimmune conditions do have a lot to do with being disconnected or insulated from the Earth itself. That's what the research is showing. It may be the ultimate real cause of autoimmune conditions. Whenever we are barefoot and connected to the Earth or if we live
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connected to the Earth all the time then according to what Clint Ober is telling me with his barefoot research, then we cannot actually develop an autoimmune condition. Now [00:05:57] he does quite a bit of scientific data that supports this, and one of those bits of data is indicating that our body actually becomes smarter when we are connected to the great whole of the Earth. Therefore our immune system becomes smarter. So we are actually more capable of determining what is foreign and what is domestic. That is a very interesting idea, that when we connect to the Earth and touch it and get electromagnetically reconnected to the Earth that we become smarter and our immune system becomes smarter. Now the herbs that you have to be a little bit careful of because they stimulate the immune system up are herbs like echinacea root and garlic, which [00:06:39] are immune system stimulants, but they can over-stimulate your immune system in autoimmune conditions and in hyperallergic conditions they can actually do the wrong thing; they can actually take you too far up and overreact your nervous system and immune system and eventually lead to even more troubles. What we really want to go with – and the reason why we go with this as a primary source of immunity – is the medicinal mushrooms, [00:07:11] because they are by call indications – and this is well-known with reishi – they are dual-directional. They actually can bring your immune system up if it needs it, and it can bring it down if it needs it. And that is a fundamental reason why I personally always recommend the medicinal mushrooms, because they can go both directions. Lucien: And would you say—? The other part of that is that they don't necessarily quote "boost your immune system,"
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[00:07:37] but they actually teach it intelligence over time so that you are not giving your immune system like a quick burst of fuel to ignite it but you are giving it a deeper sense of intelligence on how to fight off pathogens and unwanted guests and viruses, fungus and mold and all that – that that is the actual tonifying effect of the medicinal mushrooms and sort of like the boosting effects of like a short burst of energy. David: I believe that what you are [00:08:08] saying is actually correct. You are going to get different statements made by different folks you know even in the mushroom field about what the medicinal mushrooms are actually doing, but I think what you are saying is the correct description of the action of medicinal mushrooms in your body. It's all about activating your immune intelligence.

Lucien: Okay, great. Next question is a little bit related to what we looked at in the first [00:08:32] segment, but let's go over it anyway. I'm thinking about leaving New York City and finding a great place to live in the next year. I'm looking for some good ideas of places to move that are great for this type of lifestyle. I want a warm beach, very cool, open-minded people anywhere in the U.S. or Costa Rica would be great, or somewhere similar. Brazil is good since I'm learning the language and have friends all over and since I'm into the martial arts. Would [00:08:58] you recommend a few cities or countries for me to choose from? And any advice, that would be really helpful. She has been a big believer of Steiner for over 20 years, Waldorf, biodynamics, she rescues animals, she's got a really great lifestyle and I think basically what she is looking for is your perspective, your advice on what are some good places for her to live. If you had to choose a city in which to live that was with other people but yet somewhat remote [00:09:21] and had access to some
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natural resources, where would it be? David: Okay. Well, there was a mention of Costa Rica, and I do want to mention from my travels through Costa Rica – and I've been in almost every corner of Costa Rica – that my feeling is the most livable part of Costa Rica and something that is very easy to adapt to if you are coming from an American ecosystem is the northwestern portion of Costa Rica. And there is you know a good dry season, [00:09:53] you have almost California-like mountains. It's just a really nice environment. You've got monkeys. It's not overly oppressive with toxic and dangerous plants or cacti. The area is around Nosara. Nosara is a little town in that northwestern portion of Costa Rica – and that whole peninsula. Ostional [Wildlife Reserve] and all of those areas, they are just great. I am actually heading there myself in about 5 or 6 weeks. Another area is Hawaii. That's a very important place to consider, because if you are an American you are an American. It is hard to get the American out of the American. Just saying [00:10:29] like, "Okay, I'm picking up and I'm going to you know Peru now, I living there," or "I'm living in Brazil." If you are an American it is a very difficult thing to really do at the core of your being and something is never really quite settled I feel – from what I have seen of people who have [00:10:45] expatriated to places like that. So I would really look at Hawaii, and there are all kinds of amazing deals available in Hawaii for real estate, especially on the big island. And there are all kinds of ecosystems on the big island. I mean we think – or on all the Hawaiian islands. We think of Hawaii as tropical but actually there is every ecosystem in Hawaii that exists, except [00:11:04] for the tundra and glaciers. Everything else exists in Hawaii. You've got deserts, you've got beaches, you've got tropics, you've got temperate climates, you've got temperate forests, all kinds of cool
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things. So that's a strong consideration. And then one more consideration is Canada. I mean, you know, if you like the temperate climates there are amazing ecosystems in the regions that are like the – what are those called? – the San Juan Islands. The San Juan Islands are in Western Canada. There are places where you can grow subtropical plants, all kinds of little ecosystems in those islands just north of the Puget Sound in Canada. Or even if you want to stay in the U.S. then you know around I think Cortez Island and – oh, what's the other one there? Another really awesome island up there that I like to hang out at. But it's all, it's all in that area [00:11:59] where Olympia is and Cortes [spelling?] just north of Seattle and to the west. Lucien: Okay. So this next question is a really interesting question because we did the George Lamoureux interview for April two days ago and in that interview the question was asked the relationship between the herbal teas and the tea extracts and the hot teas that we are doing from a superherb point of view and how that connects with a living food lifestyle. [00:12:30] Because you know, according to strict Chinese medicine a raw food diet is not something that they adhere to, but they heat a lot of their herbs. They apply heat in a very specific way. And so George kind of tackled that question, David, with relationship to the Chinese medicinal herbal system and raw foods and how although at superficial glance they might appear to be kind of polar opposites that actually in light of today's technology and our advances in health and nutrition we are able to combine the two. So I am going to ask this question and maybe as the background context of this question you can also answer how these two fit together. So this question is: Dear David, I see [you] [00:13:14] in your videos talking
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teas and boiled mushroom tonics and I am wondering how this fits into a raw diet. In The Sunfood Diet Success System you say 100% raw equals 1000% of the effects. I have been 100% raw for the last three months and it has been amazing. I would like to do this for as long as I choose to stay on the planet. I love it. It feels good and my healing has accelerated so much, but I'm wondering how teas and mushroom [00:13:40] tonics fit into this. Thanks. David: Okay, great. No problem. I mean, this person is a newbie, right? They are just getting started. I have been doing this for, you know, geez for me it's 16 years. You know, I've been there and done that with raw foods fasting, fruitarianism, sproutarianism, wheatgrassism, the whole 9 yards. And you do find that you want to take advantage of all health systems that we have available to us. And we want to take advantage for example of the great discoveries of Taoist tonic herbalism, because it [00:14:19] can get us into a higher place. I mean, this person is obviously in a great state, feeling super-high, everything is going great, and guess what? It can go higher. And so what we are really delivering here with TheBestDayEver.com is how to go higher. Just higher and higher and higher. It's outrageous actually. When you take Taoist tonic herbalism and the mushroom teas and you combine it with raw and living foods it's outrageous where that goes. Now [00:14:49] it goes beyond that, because we have the ability to add it to all the different herbal cornucopia of knowledge that's out there from Ayurveda to European folk herbalism to Amazonian shamanism, the whole 9 yards, and I would recommend that we avail ourselves of all of that with the sense of okay, you know, out of all these herbs let's just take the top stuff and see if we can add it to our raw food diet and go higher.
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Now there is another issue, and that [00:15:15] is metabolic imbalances caused by food can be alleviated by the appropriate herbalism. That is something that I was speaking with Rehmannia Dean Thomas about one time, and he just really enunciated that very well. He's like, "Look. Raw food is clearly the best form of nutrition, and if somebody metabolically is imbalanced by let's say cold, wet, damp spleen or something like that, boom, you bring poria the mushroom in, you bring rehmannia in, [00:15:41] you bring some of these herbs in to warm up the spleen, get that whole thing going so that you can balance out metabolic imbalances with appropriate forms of herbalism. That's a very interesting idea, and certainly I think is where all nutrition is going to be going. We get the core base of our calories as pure and as clean as possible and as close to the Earth as possible, and then use herbalism to dance around that to keep in metabolic [00:16:03] balance and to advance the high even more, advance the immunity even more, advance our state of consciousness even more. Lucien: All right. Fantastic. I know for some people – I'd say newbies coming in – and they see raw food and then you see, you know, heated teas, you know, all these medicinal mushrooms need to be heat-extracted and so forth. The first question obviously that comes up is like, "Well, wait a minute. I'm using heat here. I'm not supposed [00:16:27] to be using heat. I'm not supposed to be cooking. I'm supposed to be keeping everything you know raw." And we are talking about raw food, we are talking about living enzymes and so forth and basically in the interview with George [Lamoureux] we just, like you said, made a clear distinction between okay, what are we heating and destroying enzymes and when we are actually applying heat with water to actually extract the polysaccharides and so forth from the mushrooms. [00:16:54] It seems to be pretty clear for people who have been in it for a while, but for people who are new it
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can be, appear to be a superficial contradiction. David: Yeah. Exactly. I mean really what it comes down to is what is an appropriate use of fire as an element, and extracting what is alchemically and archetypically connected to magic – which is you know the whole mushroom kingdom – extracting from that kingdom using fire and spring [00:17:27] water is pretty interesting to me. I mean, definitely it feels like you know, it feels like you are playing around with, with you know the elfin world, the fairy world. It feels like you are playing around with fire in a way that we were intended to, you know, as part of our advance in consciousness on the planet. Where we are using fire to boil lettuce, that seems like an inappropriate use, or using it to fry you know eggs or you know [00:17:56] bacon or something, then we are in a total inappropriate use. But you know, here at my house we are using fire to get through the winter, because you know obviously we are burning wood to keep the house warmed up so that you know we can actually make it through the winter here, and to have the wood-burning stove going anyway and mushrooms that we picked from the forest next to the house in this house all dried up and ready to go, and [00:18:20] then spring water piped into the house with spiral pipes, you know, the whole thing starts looking like a real magical reality. Lucien: All right. Awesome. All right. The next question is, Dear David, I'm a health practitioner and I deal with women giving birth and would like to know what foods/supplements you would recommend to help women avoid kidney/blood-pressure-related issues contributing to preeclampsia? I'm thinking cacao given the Mg and [00:18:54] maybe maca for other minerals. Any specific suggestions that would help [keep] this woman from reaching the PE condition? Preeclampsia. Much love.
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Thank you. David: That's above and beyond my scope of knowledge. If I was to say anything it would only be a guess. What I would do – I mean my next move on that question is to discuss that with my favorite midwife, Alexandria Van Galeety [spelling?], who lives in Venice Beach, California. So I actually don't feel comfortable answering based on my lack of expertise in that area.

Lucien: All right. Dear David, What spices are raw? I am referring to the Frontier Co-op items that they sell at most Whole Foods Markets and co-ops. Thank you. David: That's a great question. Probably very few of them are actually raw. You know, the cinnamon, is that actually raw? I mean raw cinnamon [00:19:48] is actually a bark, and it's a hard bark, and to actually grate it down into a powder, that has got to require some high-pressure, highheat equipment. The same could be said probably for cayenne and a whole bunch of other things. In general, because it's a very small portion of calories you know, I'm not too worried about that in terms of people's health as long as it is organic. In terms of my health, I really don't ever consume any [00:20:14] powdered cinnamon, any powdered nutmeg. I do not consume any powdered cayenne that's been done by an operation where I'm not sure what is going on – like, you know, what Frontier [unintelligible word]. I think Frontier is a great company, but personally I think a lot of their stuff is heat-processed and that's kind of where I am at with it. Whenever you take a substance – let's say it's nutmeg – and you powder it, you are obviously exposing it to oxidation. If you [unintelligible word] with [00:20:41] heat
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you know it's even worse. To me, I am very sensitive to that, so I try to stay away from those kinds of things or create them myself at home. You know, I create my own chili powders at home, I dry my own chili peppers, crush them to a powder, filter them through a strainer and boom, there is your powder. Lucien: All right. Great. Dear Avocado, Is it possible to fully restore the thyroid gland to normal function after someone has taken Synthroid for 10 years [00:21:13] or so? It's a synthetic drug I guess. Can you recommend some therapy? David: It's a synthetic thyroid drug. Let's talk a little bit about thyroid and just what I know about it, because there are probably a lot of people wondering you know what to do. The #1 thing is, is that the thyroid does retain its functionality even if we've taking Synthroid, even if we've been taking other types of thyroxin [00:21:38] supplements, even if we have had some of our thyroid removed. As long as some of the thyroid is there, there can be functionality. Now the thyroid is actually like a sack, and in that sack is a thousand thyroid glands. So a thyroid gland is not quite what we think it is; it is not just like one thing. It's actually a sack containing a thousand little thyroid glands that are producing thyroxin. And the problems that we are experiencing with the thyroid to me have [00:22:12] a lot to do with radiation and radioactivity in the atmosphere and in the food supply, including depleted uranium, including plutonium, including radioactive cesium and others. There is a lot of radioactive debris in the atmosphere. There has been something like 250 nuclear detonations on this Earth since Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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That is an unbelievable number. Not only that, we have got depleted uranium still being used in Iraq, it's being used in Afghanistan, and it was used in Bosnia, in Bosnia and Serbia and that conflict there. So you know that, that produced a huge amount of depleted uranium vapor that, that gets into the thyroid and it causes massive oxidation, which [00:22:59] it basically ages you and it can eventually cause cancer and thyroid disease. Now this is where I am actually at. I talked to Clint Ober about this, and I think there is some truth to this. In my research about the thyroid, the thyroid is very highly negatively charged, so in terms of looking at each meridian point in our body as a well or a bucket that can hold electricity, to me I bet you – based on the research – that the thyroid is the [00:23:28] biggest bucket we got. So if we are going to for example get grounded and get free electricity from the Earth or use a zapper and get a little of electricity that way, it fills up different meridian points in different ways depending on where that zapper is or what part of our body is actually touching the Earth. So you know if we are touching with our feet it's good, but it's better for our thyroid if our neck touches the ground. [00:24:01] [Rudolph] Steiner said that we are a plant turned upside-down. Our head represents the root; it represents the Earth actually. And our toes for example are the ends of the branches, and you know other parts would be for example the fruits and the flowers. You know, and I'll let that be up to your own imagination. The point of that is that the charge – the negative charge right in our neck is right where the plant would surface out of [00:24:29] the ground. That is right where the electrical charge pools – on the surface of the Earth – and that makes sense to me that that would be the biggest energy bucket for electrons or electricity in our body,
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because we are never grounded, we are in plastic shoes, rubber-soled shoes, you know we have never had the right type of electricity absorbing into our body through zappers or anything like that, and then we are exposed to very powerful [00:24:52] free radicals like radioactive plutonium which by the way – and radioactive uranium, which by the way contaminates almost all dairy products. I'm just putting that out there as well. Then what happens is our thyroid goes completely out of whack first, because that is the first symptom of radiation disease, and next thing you know, boom, metabolic syndrome and then you know they are putting you on Synthroid. April 2010 Interview – Part 3 David: Now Synthroid does disturb metabolism to such a point that it's like a very seriously addictive drug, and we want to move great – like step off it very slowly, move towards an actual animal glandular of the real thyroid, like the dessicated thyroid of a pig or a cow, so that we can actually get the real stuff instead of the fake stuff. Because Synthroid is fake, and it's a very serious drug. And [00:00:39] then we move to the real stuff, and eventually it is possible to move then to homeopathics. Is it possible to even get off the homeopathics at that point? Probably not. I think – I don't know. I mean, sure, it's possible – but not in my experience. It is very difficult to get off these drugs in a way that, you know, that is quick. It is very slow, step-by-step, weaning down off the Synthroid on to the animal glandulars, then weaning the animal [00:01:09] glandulars down. Grounding helps a lot, getting grounded so the grounding is actually touching your next and thyroid, so it is filling up that bucket with electrons, doing enough detoxification for example with zeolites, with the Adya
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Clarity in order to remove those heavy metals from our body, the fulvic acid and get those free radical oxidants out of there, out of the thyroid so that thyroid can heal itself, supporting our thyroid with good nutrition like [00:01:37] maca and coconut and Brazil nuts and kelp and other excellent iodine sources and getting away from thyroid suppressive foods, especially soy. That is kind of the whole picture of thyroid, you know. That is what comes up for me. So I want to put that all out there so we have some tools to choose from. Lucien: All [00:02:00] right. Awesome. Awesome answer. And you know overall I guess when we are talking about hormone replacement therapy, we are talking about synthetic drugs that are helping to increase hormone activity or suppress hormone activity. There just doesn't seem to be a way to cheat Mother Nature when it comes to our hormone activity, and that the only way that we can really ever get them flowing naturally and properly is through a diet that is including some basic raw [00:02:31] living foods – especially raw fats and oils – that are helping those glands to function at their optimal level. Is that something you agree with? David: Definitely. Definitely. We need, we actually need two things to produce hormones: we need the right kinds of fats and oils, which should for sure be raw, and we need the right kind of protein. We need actually bioavailable protein. Which is – you know, that question is basically solved for vegetarians with superfoods. It's basically solved for everybody. I mean, with superfoods you get a bioavailable protein, everything you want – all the amino acids, everything like we have never had before. We certainly weren't getting that with you know the Chicken [00:03:13] McNuggets we were eating.

Lucien: Certainly. Okay. Next question. Dear David, Are you still endorsing Ocean's Alive marine
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phytoplankton as the best thing around? The reason I ask, I would like to know as I am about to import $1500 worth and I hope I am not making a big mistake. David: I love Ocean's Alive marine phytoplankton. It is one of my favorite products, and yes I am still endorsing it. It was you know in my smoothie most of this [00:03:54] week, and I think it is one of the greatest things around for a number of reasons. One is it's a combination of very unique technology to bring forth a living marine phytoplankton in a biologically stable substrate – which is a concentrate of ocean water. Then they have been introduced into each other via an extraordinary vortexing technology which I had the opportunity to play around with over here at my house at one point. It's just a phenomenal combination [00:04:23] of those three things – the food itself, the vortex technology and the substrate, the ocean water substrate that keeps everything in complete suspended animation. When you do open a bottle, it is better than you refrigerate it. It keeps better. Because you are introducing bacteria and stuff. You can breathe into it, or if you are doing a drop under your tongue it can touch your tongue and get bacteria in there and that can eventually spoil the marine phytoplankton over [00:04:47] a period of several months. Another thing I want to mention is that this marine phytoplankton is an excellent source of nucleotides – or free energy essentially, ATP. Everything we have ever eaten in our life has had to be converted from carbohydrates, protein and fat into what we call nucleotides, which is ATP, GTP and different units of energy. And the only foods in the world that actually have those units of energy already bioavailable [00:05:22] to our metabolism and to the metabolism of all mammals is the marine phytoplanktons. And there are thousands of them, and about 200 have been identified as being
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suitable for human consumption. Currently the Ocean's Alive marine phytoplankton is 2 of those 200 marine phytoplankton and one of them is really high in EPA for reasons of neurological health – which you know a lot of us can use a little bit more support in that area, that's for sure. Lucien: All right. Awesome. [00:05:54] And this sort of relates to the next question, which is I think a fantastic question, because one of the things that comes up all the time in raw food, living food nutrition is the role that proteins and amino acids play in our diet and where we can find those in raw and living food diet as well as a vegan diet. So here we go. Dear David, A number of people over time and now in the Forum have told me they have tried vegetarianism and found that [00:06:20] they were not as healthy and vibrant until they went back to meat "protein." I am of the belief that as long as something is a complete amino acid profile it works for the body. After being vegan for a number of years and returning to meat thinking it would help me heal my back and now vegetarian again and finding no difference in my healing progress or energy with or without meat protein. What is your stance on this? Are aminos the same regardless of the [00:06:44] source? Is something such as quinoa or rice protein with its complete amino acid profile just as good as meat with whatever aminos it may contain? Have you ever met vegetarians who are doing everything right, eating plenty of superfoods and raw proteins and fats yet still couldn't keep their energy up without adding back in some animal protein? What do you suppose is a reason for some people feeling that this is necessary after trying vegetarianism? David: Excellent question. I mean I think a lot of that is a mystery to me. I don't know really. I mean, because I am
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not somebody else. But I know for me in my experience that superfoods based on the analytical data contain all complete proteins. For example: spirulina, complete protein; marine phytoplankton, complete protein; AFA bluegreen algae, complete protein; chlorella is a complete protein; hempseed is a complete protein; flaxseed [00:07:39] is a complete protein; chia seed is a complete protein; bee pollen is a complete protein; goji berry is a complete protein. I mean that is a pretty good lineup right there, and you can have that every meal if you wanted to, all of those things. And it's all bioavailable. Instant, like marine phytoplankton instantly available, that protein – which meat is not, even raw meat is not instantly available like that. So I don't know if the meat issue so [00:08:07] much anymore is about protein, personally. In fact I don't think that it is. I think at the cutting edge of nutrition it's not really about that. I think where we are at with the meateating is more metabolic problems. And I actually wrote about this in The Sunfood Diet a dozen years ago. It has to do with the ability to digest fat. Some people cannot digest plant fats very well. They can't digest the fat of nuts and seeds very well, or they can't digest [00:08:36] dairy. So then it doesn't leave you much else. It has more to do with fat than it has to do with protein, and that is what I am submitting to everybody who is listening right now. And I would recommend reading that part of The Sunfood Diet over again if you have that book, because that's really an important insight. If you find that people over time really want to be vegetarian but can't be, it has to do with their fat metabolism, [00:09:02] that they cannot digest vegetarian fats very well. Then you will also find, "Okay, you know, do I really feel better if I am a meat eater?" Maybe for a while, but then it flips again. Because I have been through this whole
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thing of like okay, there is the whole raw meat thing, and then that kind of flips into cooked meat, and then people go, "Ooo, I don't want this anymore. I need to detox off this stuff," and then it comes back to [00:09:23] vegetarianism again. And then 5 years later it all comes back again and surfaces up again. So the obvious indication here is that we are dealing with extremist behavior, which is, "Let's try all this and let's try all that," and really the appropriate choice to me is, "If you want to be a meat eater, but a very, very moderate meat eater. If you want to be a fish eater, be a very, very moderate fish eater," and you get out of this [00:09:48] flipping from one thing to another, which is very common in the raw food world. It's kind – people flip you know from fruitarianism, suddenly it's green juice, and then they flip from that to sproutarianism, and then they flip from that to raw meat, and then they flip from that to raw dairy, then they flip from that back to raw green juice. You know, it's more of a behavioral issue than an actual informational issue. And then this, you know, behavioral extremes [00:10:13] creates a whole swath of confusion in its wake that newbies look at that and go, "My God, what in the heck is this all about?" Always we want to temper this extreme behavior with, with being very simple and being careful. You know, one of the things about meat is there is a bioaccumulation of toxins up the food chain. Every animal cell that has ever been tested in the world in the last 20 years is contaminated [00:10:43] with DDT – I'm sorry, every animal fat cell is contaminated with DDT. That is unbelievable. And so therefore we know that the bioaccumulation of toxins as it goes up the food chain increases. So if we say, "Okay, now I'm a meat eater again," boom, we could be blasting ourselves with all kinds of unknowns which in our world today is not – it's not a luxury that we can get away with for very long. We might [00:11:11] be able to get away with it for 5 years
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or 10 years or 20 years, but what is going to happen in 20 years? And you know I was on a panel with Sally Fallon a number of years ago, and I really like what she does and I like the message she puts out there. I don't agree with everything she has to say, but one of the things she did say is, "Yes, if you are going to be eating more meat and dairy your chances of cancer increase dramatically." [00:11:32] Which is true. And, and I don't want my chances of cancer increasing dramatically. I want it going down. So, you know, we just have to be careful that we just don't get dragged into the next thing, you know, and dragged all over the place, because really all these things in temperance. And if we can get the bulk of our calories and nutrition from superfoods and superherbs – especially the ones that we are growing or wildcrafting ourself – and then we, you [00:12:01] know, let's say you're, you know, out in the stream back in you know the lower regions behind my house over here, if I was a fish eater I would be out there you know fishing for trout out there. I'm not, but if I was, you know, it would be that local. That's what I would do. Going beyond that to me is just totally rolling the dice. Lucien: And it's very interesting. You talk about, you know, the behavioral [00:12:25] aspect of this whole thing, which it seems to lend itself to that our mind dictates to a large extent – or almost maybe entirely to the extent – of what our physical body decides to manifest as or to produce as a result, and that when our mind is craving or desiring things that it's used to, such as meat or even just feeling full, as soon as we take that away even though taking that away might be healthy for our physical body, mentally because we are very desirous [00:12:55] of that meat or that particular protein-fat combination, we are going to have some reaction to that physically – almost
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like an alcoholic would. You know, if you take alcohol away from an alcoholic, they are going to experience a physical detriment from that absence of alcohol. But you wouldn't then argue that, well, you need to give them alcohol. Now that's an extreme example, but do you think that kind of fits into anything that, what we are saying here? David: I [00:13:22] think that does come up for sure, that there are addictions to meat that occur. I mean, there is addiction to a lot of things that can occur, but certainly there are addictions to meat that can occur. We know that there is a relationship between foods that we are allergic to becoming addicted to it. So that can happen with dairy products, where there can be an allergy that turns into an addiction. So certainly that is part of what is going on. Then there [00:13:45] is the whole, you know, swath of confusion that we are all in in our world, which you know causes us to go, you know, "This seems right now," and then tomorrow we go, "Oh, maybe it's that," and all this kind of stuff. And I would really recommend that we just have temperance in our behavior and not flip to these extremes, you know, and really also observe the ancient phrase, "Flee the table when you are two-thirds full." Flee the table. You know a lot of [00:14:17] this too, a lot of this like, "Oh, now I have to be eating this or that," or whatever, a lot of it is just that addiction to being full, which is a major issue that we are all facing. Because you know we have all loaded our bellies up with massive amounts of pizza and cupcakes and all this kind of stuff to fill ourselves up, and that was kind of a daily routine for decades, and then all of a sudden it stops and our body goes, "What's [00:14:39] happening?" you know, "How come we are not paralyzed with the fullness anymore?" And to come off of that kind of a drug feeling is – I
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literally, in my life, I had to pray. That's how I got through it. I prayed that like, "Please help me, God. Please help me get through this," and help came. I mean, I don't have those feelings. I haven't had those feelings in well over probably 13 years [00:15:06] or something like that. But I did, and certainly lots of people listening are going through that right now. Just all we can do to eat less is a good thing. And since we are eating the best food ever, we don't need that much anyway. Lucien: Almost – it's bred from the very beginning of our existence we are just given such an overabundance of food that we are just constantly eating until we are full. And I think it was in our last interview [00:15:34] you mentioned that thing of, "Flee the table when you are two-thirds full." Is that the Egyptian saying? I think I remember you saying it was from— David: It's an Egyptian – apparently attributed to the ancient Egyptians.

Lucien: And it's just – it's such a profound statement, because we are so used to being full and there is the, there is the aspect of eating the best foods ever and it seems that even in the superfood [00:15:59] world we get the best foods ever but then we overindulge in the best foods ever. And then we can still have problems if we are still following that psychological pattern of stuffing ourselves. And I'm guilty of this probably more than anyone else, of you know coming from when the first interview I ever did with you was eating a pepperoni pizza to now, you know, eating superfoods but feeling like, "Well, 6 handfuls of goji berries can't be [00:16:23] bad for me, because they're goji berries." David: I mean it's better than pizza. That's important to realize too. Like you can get away with it with raw foods a lot better than you can with the other stuff, and your body will give you much stronger signals with the raw food of
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how much is too much. And raw food is a very powerful tool of balance when you are listening to your body, because it will tell you, like, "Okay, boom, you have had too much [00:16:54] almond butter. You have got to stop right now." It will tell you that. Whereas cooked food, it's kind of there is no stop. You know, this is called aliesthetic taste change that was talked about in some of the instinctive nutrition books 20 years ago, which is cooked food never gives you a taste alteration stop where your body has a sudden complete turnoff to it; whereas [00:17:16] raw food does – any raw food. Raw meat, raw dairy, raw nuts, raw seeds, raw nut butters, raw lettuce, anything, raw pineapple. If you eat it just by itself, at some point your body goes, "That's enough. You're done." That's the end of it. And for example with pineapple it is easy to determine that, because you eat it and it's like, "Oh, this is great," and then you eat more if it and it's "Oh, great." And then [00:17:37] all of a sudden it's like, "Oh oh, this one doesn't have any taste." Next one, you're like, "Oh, I sense there is a lot of acids in this." The next bite, boom, it's burning your mouth. Lucien: Could you spell that out for people? David: Yep. It's ali, a-l-i, which means digestive, it's a Latin root, esthetic, e-s-t-h-e-t-i-c, aliesthetic, all one word. A famous nutritionist [00:17:59] – oh geez, it's been a long time since I've read her books. Anyway, a very famous nutritionist in the 1960s talked about the aliesthetic taste change of raw food, and that since was taken on by kind of the instinctive nutrition world – especially the group based out of France, Jean-Claude Bergay's [spelling?] group, and then eventually by kind of the American raw food movement and it was put into a book by Severen Schaeffer, which is a classic called Instinctive Nutrition.
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That is in there as well. Do you know who I'm talking about? Adele Davis. That's it. Adele Davis. Lucien: Okay. I mean it's such a great piece of information, because it sort of reveals that within nature there is an innate balance of what you should eat and what you can eat [00:18:48] and what you do eat when it's reached its limit. And in cooked and processed food there is not that innate built-in balance that you are – you are almost predestined to go overboard when things are unnaturally altered or changed to produce sickness and disease. Whereas in nature – oh, what was it you were saying? You were saying at the Longevity Conference, you talked about wild foods. There is a natural [00:19:18] resilience built into wild foods that when you eat the wild foods you have a built-in natural resilience, and there is kind of an innate built-in mechanism to avoid overabundance or overuse or abuse. That was it: abuse. Whereas processed foods and chemically altered foods, there is not that innate built-in mechanism, and that is so revealing, which really had not occurred to me until you just mentioned it. And if you [00:19:46] look at the two genres of natural foods and processed foods, in the natural foods there is a built-in natural balance mechanism, whereas in processed foods there is not. David: That is exactly the point. That is why raw food is so important, because it can help you get in touch with that. And that alone may be the crux of the issue for many people. I know it was for me. I know I could never detect what was too much, too little, you know, any of it when [00:20:13] I was eating cooked food. But raw foods suddenly made me very aware of like, "Oh, this is – whoa! Okay, now it's too much." I feel my stomach. I can feel my lungs. I can feel my internal organs. I mean, all of that awareness came in from raw foods.
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Lucien: I think it was with the, one of the previous interviews we talked about tobacco. And you were talking about how tobacco kind of has that built-in mechanism to natural tobacco and where the problem with [00:20:41] smoking tobacco— I think was a woman's question on how to quit smoking. And you said the problem is not so much because of tobacco as what the, you know, 75,000 different chemicals or whatever they put into the cigarette that is causing the imbalance. David: That is so funny you said that right when you said that, Lou, because at that exact second I was grabbing a seed pod of tobacco in my house, right here growing [unintelligible phrase]. And I was literally – literally [00:21:12] I'm just crushing the seeds right now and I was going to go sprinkle them in the, in the little garden plot right in front of the house. So it's interesting you brought that up right at that moment. It must be a message from the tobacco gods. There is no question in my mind, based on people I know who are addicted to cigarettes – and I'm talking about, you know, American Spirit, that there is something wrong with American Spirit [brand]. [00:21:33] And I have been talking to people in the industry about it, and it's two things: it's the way it's dried, it's flew-dried. It's dried too quickly, it has an excess amount of sugars in it – a huge amount of excess amount of sugars in it – and it's sprayed with chelated nicotine to spike that grouping of alkaloids in the tobacco. So my feeling is, is to actually become addicted, like full-on addicted like having to have it all the time and that kind of thing, [00:21:59] is almost impossible with natural stuff. But with the stuff that's out there, it's probable that someone would become addicted to it, based on the way that they process it. Lucien: Okay. That's just really awesome insights and information there. Okay.
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Dear Avocado, My mom was diagnosed with breast cancer and M.D. Anderson in Houston [00:22:26] – one of the most highly respected medical facilities in the world – says that she needs radiation therapy starting at the end of the first week in March. She was startled today when her friend forwarded her the article below and I would really appreciate Dave's thoughts on this issue. As much as I respect alternative therapy, is risking a 40-60% survival rate on alternative therapies worth it? At least this is the way the doctors put it to her. So this is the excerpt [00:22:49] from the article that she forwarded to this M.D. Anderson in Houston, and here is the quote: "Standard cancer treatments not only often fail to eradicate cancer but can make it worse. That argument isn't coming from a fringe proponent of alternate medicine but from the founder of the University of Michigan's comprehensive Cancer Center and a pioneer in research on why cancers recur and spread to other parts of the body. The reason breast [00:23:22] cancer and other malignancies often return aggressively after treatment is that when tumor cells die under assault from chemotherapy and radiation they give off substances that can reactivate a special set of master cells known as cancer stem cells, Dr. Wicha said in an interview Tuesday. "Dr. Wicha's lab has found that inflammatory molecules secreted by dying tumor cells can hook up with the stem cells and cause them in effect to come out of hibernation." end quote So that is the quote of the article saying basically how chemo, how it not only does not cure [00:23:56] cancer, it also can exacerbate or continue it because of its relationship to "cancer stem cells." Now she is just I guess basically asking your opinion on that. David: Okay. My opinion about cancer therapies is the following.
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April 2010 Interview – Part 4 David: One is we have never had such sophisticated alternative methods for cancer therapy, period. We have never had that. We have never had the opportunity [00:00:19] for integrative therapies in the way that we have now. Let's say for example somebody has a very aggressive tumor, it's very hard, it's very big, it's breast cancer, they have been trying alternative therapies. They can opt to perhaps have that tumor removed and use all alternative methods other than the actual surgery to treat their breast and their body in a way that will allow the [00:00:45] body to heal itself and to, you know, to come back into a homeostasis. The causes of cancer are vast and varied, so we can't get into a silly kind of oversimplification like, "This is what cancer is." There are a lot of emotional components to cancer certainly. There are a lot of genetic factors, there are a lot of viral factors, and it just goes on and on like this. But what we can say is that the future of cancer therapy is definitely alternative [00:01:15] for sure and if it wasn't that way, then why are alternative therapies suppressed? Alternative therapies that I have seen, like in Mexico and what Dr. Hitt does at the William Hitt Center in Mexico, WilliamHittCenter.com – definitely check out what he is doing with cancer down there. It's totally miraculous. And talking to him, hearing about the buyout opportunities that he has had where the pharmaceutical industries [00:01:44] have come to him to try to buy him out just so he shuts down. I mean, if alternative therapies weren't doing anything, then why would that even occur? You know, so just to break out of you know the whole brainwashing that is going on. Pharmaceutical industry representatives are spending something like $500 million a year to sell their products just in marketing. Just in marketing alone $500 million. That is almost an
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unimaginable number. So therefore their resources [00:02:22] are deep and sophisticated in how they can control media and get us to believe that their strategy is the best strategy. But more and more people are becoming aware, and it's happening every single day, that they don't want to go down the same path as their mom went their down, their best friend, their grandmother or any other folks who have died of a cancer disease, went the traditional method and didn't make it. More and more people are realizing that nobody is making [00:02:48] it with the conventional theories. And then just to give you an idea of how they change things around, it used to be that you were a cancer survivor if you were in remission for 5 years. About 10 years ago they changed it to 3 years, so if you are in remission for 3 years you have beaten cancer with chemotherapy. But if it came back in year 4 you are not counted in that statistic anymore – meaning you are a cancer survivor still even though you died of the cancer. So just putting that out there how we can lie with statistics [00:03:21] and how the cancer and pharmaceutical industry does lie with statistics. Let's keep going. There is a definite program afoot, we have known about it for, ever since I have been in this industry, to deceive us about cancer and to get us to go the pharmaceutical, medical, surgical, cut, burn, poison route. That is a route that is extremely degrading. It is degrading to our integrity, it is degrading to our spirituality, it is degrading to our own natural [00:03:50] healing ability, and it does not address the real causes which oftentimes are emotional and carcinogenic – meaning we have been exposed to carcinogens and we have got emotional upheavals going on, and this is bringing the cancer to boil.
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We have a great gladiator out there, and regardless of what you think of him, Kevin Trudeau is a great gladiator out there fighting for our cancer freedoms so that we can actually have the therapies that we want. Because as [00:04:18] a free people we should be able to choose whatever we want to. Even if it is the most quacked out thing in the world, we should be able to choose it because that is what free people should be able to do, and nobody should be put into jail for any quack theory. But I will tell you one thing: the biggest quacks going are the people who produce no results, and that is the conventional medical industry. The conventional medical industry has produced more [00:04:43] deaths from cancer, more deaths from staph infections in hospitals, more deaths from side effects than any business ever in the history of the world, and they are out of court. They have done their job poorly. They have not cured cancer. Right? Richard Nixon was boasting about curing cancer in 1971 and was promoting the American Cancer Society and said, "We're close to a cure." No they're not. They have never been close [00:05:12] to a cure. Because the cure isn't, has nothing to do with their theories of cancer, which are entirely materialistic, do not take into account the whole being, do not take into account Chinese medical theories on cancer, do not take into account Ayurvedic theories on cancer, do not take into account the raw food history of cancer treatments at places like Hippocrates Health Institute and just don't take into account what is happening at the very fringe of [00:05:38] alternative health, like what Dr. Hitt is doing or some of the ozone therapies that are available in Mexico or even in Europe. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. So the very first thing I always say to anybody – and I just had a person email me today whose son is 4 years old and has leukemia – the very first thing I say is, "I am willing to work with you if you are willing to go alternative." If you
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are going to go [00:05:59] medical, forget about. Because I had a very dear friend of mine who, her son basically was – because the husband was really into the medical model said, "We're going totally medical. We are going to do all this medical stuff," and a year later their child was dead. And tried to, you know, do what I could to intervene and provide natural alternatives, but again, you know, the survival rates of this chemotherapy are being skewed, we are being lied to. The [00:06:25] whole thing is in my opinion a massive, massive environmental catastrophe. One of the things that is not being talked about, about this chemotherapy, is the environmental catastrophe of it. Because we are dealing with radiation. When somebody has chemotherapy and they go pee in a toilet, for the next 3 months they pee out, 70% of that chemotherapy is peed out into the environment as radioactive debris that contaminates everybody and everything. And then 30% [00:06:50] of that is retained in their body for years afterwards and is only released slowly. That is just only one aspect of the dangers of chemotherapy. Lucien: Wow. David: So for me at this point, chemotherapy is obnoxious, is not based on science, it is skewed by money, and it is absolutely degrading for all the reasons I just said. We have got to go alternative and there are plenty of different strategies for doing that. And from a dietary strategy [00:07:23] and what we really offer on TheBestDayEver is we have got to cut off the food supply of the cancer, and we know that that food supply is sugar. We have got to cleanse and detoxify the carcinogens that could be in our body using the different means that we have – and there are plenty of amazing technologies from fulvic acid to Adya Clarity to zeolites to you know a whole host of detox products like MSM,
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angstrom zinc, colloidal silver and [00:07:53] just an amazing array of stuff including superfoods like chlorella that can get in there and chelate out some of these carcinogens. And when we put a strategy together that is well thought out based on all the research that we have and we apply it with the support of our family we can then at least live in peace with ourselves. And no matter what happens, at least we did the best we could, we put the best foot forward, and we went for it. And then we go for the [00:08:18] emotional healing too. I had a friend of mine who came to see me in Reno with his wife. His wife had third stage breast cancer. I did a whole presentation on raw foods. This was years ago, 8 years ago probably, and what happened was is they, they heard me and they are like, "You know what? This raw food thing makes sense." She regained her dignity, she got off the drugs and all the chemo and all the other stuff that was going on, said, "I'm going alternative [00:08:44] and I'm just gonna do it this way." She regained her dignity. She eventually died of breast cancer 4 years later, at home, with her family, after spending her last year of life gardening. Now to me that – if we are going to check out, let's at least check out with our dignity. Let's not get sucked into this whole rigamarole and peer pressure and fright techniques and doomsday reports of doctors. Let's go out and let's have strength and courage to [00:09:15] face our death in a way that is synonymous with being a noble and holy and sacred being instead of being cut apart and put into a guinea pig situation that would make Josef Mengele look like a saint. I mean, some of the stuff that goes on in hospitals is absolutely disgusting and it's absolutely degrading our character. And I want to put that out there, because we are going to step forward more and more and more against the massive tyranny that is oppressing [00:09:49] us in our freedom of health. And we have, again, have a great
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support of a great gladiator in the name of Kevin Trudeau who is out there fighting it for us and helping us out. It's so great that he is willing to actually really sacrifice his life to help. And you know, I look at that and I go, "Man," you know. Regardless of what you think of this guy, he is really out there battling the courts straight on, and the pharmaceutical industry hates that. They [00:10:15] absolutely don't know what to do with him, because he is right in their face saying, "What you are doing is wrong, it doesn't work and it's a total scam." Lucien: You know, the way you just answered that question at the very get-go was that everyone should have their own freedom, their own right to choose to treat whatever is wrong with their body in the way that they see fit and they should have the complete freedom to do that. And I know one of the things that [00:10:39] really moved me very greatly was you know recently looking at some of the Kevin Trudeau happenings you know with you know the court and him being thrown in jail and you know basically the FDA saying, "We want this guy's head on a platter." And he is doing an interview with some people that – you know, one of the fellows in Germany. I can't think of the name offhand, but he wrote a best-selling cancer book [about] how to beat cancer. What motivated him was his mother, you know, a World War II veteran survivor, just you know went through everything, and I think it was in like Germany and just brute, brute depravity and horror and hardship. Throughout all of that she carried a massive lump in her breast – a massive lump in her breast that anyone could see. And when [00:11:28] she was in her – I think it was in her eighties or nineties – he took her to a doctor for, you know, just a basic infection. And they said, you know, "What is this huge lump in your breast?" and she said, "Oh, it's nothing. I have had this for you know 20-plus years. It has not caused me any problems. I have lived with it fine." And they immediately
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said cancer, cancer, cancer, [00:11:44] "We need to start curing this cancer, we need to start getting you in chemo," we need to start doing all this stuff. They pumped her full of chemo, the chemo caused her body to swell. He said that her body swelled three times its normal size. When he went to visit her it was like he wasn't even visiting a human being; it was like he was visiting some kind of aberration of a human. She was just puffed [00:12:04] up beyond all recognition. And eventually the chemo killed her. And he said to the doctors, he said, you know, "What did you do? You killed my mother. Your chemo killed my mother," and they said, "Oh, we had to do something. She had a lump in her breast. We had to do something. We had to treat it. We couldn't just not treat it." And he was so livid, he was so angry that you know he set out to cure cancer, and now in Germany he has a 95% cure rate [00:12:33] for cancer through live food nutrition, juicing – green juicing, pure, natural supplements. He just, really just put it in their face, and now he wrote a book that's you know one of the number one best-sellers in Germany and around the world. Only Answer to Cancer by Dr. Leonard Coldwell. And you know, what we are doing in TheBestDayEver is we are giving people, like [00:12:51] you said at the beginning of the answer to that question, is we are giving people the freedom to deal with their health problems in the way that they see fit and the way that works. And when we begin relying on someone like the FDA – you know, we look at the FDA and they have approved aspartame. The FDA has said aspartame is okay for you. You can go ahead and consume as much aspartame as you want and there are no problems. So now I don't know if [00:13:18] people have noticed, but if you look at some of the commercials on television, the soda companies have now – you know, Pepsi, Coke – they have all got together and formed an alliance, like a
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coalition to drop the calorie intake of soda by 88%. I'm sure some of you – you must have seen these commercials, you know, "We've all got together. We've made a determination to drop the calorie content of sodas by 88%." What they are not telling you is the [00:13:41] way they are dropping the calorie content is the chemical sweetener aspartame. They are not going to use sugar; they are going to use aspartame. And aspartame is going to kill you, but the FDA says hey, you can have as much aspartame as you want. It's fine. And one of the things we have talked about in TheBestDayEver and you know Kevin Trudeau is talking about is aspartame actually, in the original studies, it killed. David: You know, what gets us, Lou, [00:14:04] this is my opinion. What gets us, what deceives us is we are too innocent. You see, we are becoming step-by-step more sophisticated. There is no question about it. But we are so innocent in general that what is going on is that we are like – we are fooled. We are like, "No, this guy is a doctor and he must know what he is doing." And I want to say something that I have been saying in my lectures over the last year that is I think very insightful [00:14:34] and very important little bit of a, of a lever that you can use on your own consciousness whenever you get confused. And that is, if you get the smartest people in the world on the wrong theory they will be chasing their tail for a thousand years and delivering no results. And that is in essence the cancer industry. That is western medicine. It's just bad theories. It's a bad idea. My friend Joe Polish [spelling?] says, [00:15:08] "Nothing with cost you more, nothing with hurt you more, nothing will distract you more than bad information." What a powerful concept. Lucien: That's amazing. And I know one of the things that you are
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a crusader of, David, is that you give people good theories, good information, good alternatives, good options for their health. And everyone should have the complete freedom and opportunity to pursue those. And the one thing that I have seen, the one thing that [00:15:41] just hooked me you know when I was 350 lbs. and a complete you know mess and eating pizza and all that other stuff was that I had to look at Len and Rebecca. You know, Len, who started this website with you and you know Rebecca, his wife who organized the Longevity Conference. I had to look at them and say, "Look. They are doing something different and they have different results that I want." And when you go to the Longevity Conference, when [00:16:05] you talk to people who have been on TheBestDayEver, and doing – and if you meet someone who has been doing everything you have been recommending, you meet someone who is in an incredible state of health. You don't meet someone who says, "Oh, I've done everything David Wolfe recommended and look, I'm 100 lbs. overweight, I really don't feel good and I'm really sick." If you meet someone who has been doing all these things, you meet someone [00:16:26] who is an extraordinary state of health. And it's the freedom and the opportunity that we are giving people through information to take that to wherever they want to take it. If they want to take it on a very basic level, that's fine. We always support people who want to do that extent, 100% raw, full superherb supplements, everything, then you will get the results that you, that you create the cause for. David: Thank [00:16:53] you. I mean, I feel like inevitably – and it's happening. You have seen it happen, Lou, that the information itself that we have been putting out there will eventually, it will eventually, it will conjure together everybody in the natural healing field. Because ultimately the health information cannot be contradictory to itself.
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April 2010 Interview – Part 5 David: I mean, health information all has to fit together in some kind of a dynamic way, and [00:00:13] step-by-step we are getting closer. That is what we were referencing earlier when we were talking about like everybody getting on the same page – the vegetarians, the carnivores, the you know Dr. Mercola and Paul Stamets with George Lamoureux and David Wolfe. It's just, it's all kind of coming together. We are all like, "Oh, okay. I see what you are doing here. Now I get it. Okay. Now I see what this is," and step-by-step-by-step it will [00:00:34] be a force to be reckoned with. It already is, and you know I haven't even talked about some of the folks out there like, like Mike Adams, Kevin Trudeau, because those guys – obviously Mike Adams is on board, but those guys like Kevin Trudeau, he is right there with us too, I mean in terms of the information. He is just at one, he is one step away from getting the entire download of what happened at the Longevity Conference. I mean, it's like [00:01:05] that. We are so close to having that wall that is going to move forward where everybody sees it and goes, "Oh. Okay." And it's the doctors and professionals and health experts and fitness gurus and everything all working together, and that is what it is going to take.

Lucien: It's going to be amazing. And for some people listening who might think, "Well, why didn't he show up at the last Longevity Conference?" well I'll tell you why. Because the judge that threw [00:01:29] him in jail for obstruction of justice for giving his email out to all of his listeners saying, "Hey look, this judge is saying that I can't tell people that they can cure themselves naturally. He is fining me. If you want to give him your opinion, email him at such-and-such judge at whatever.com." They crashed his email server. The judge became livid, upset, fined him, threw him in jail and actually said he could not leave the State of Illinois, which [00:01:56] is why he could not
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join us for the last longevity conference – because he it was an injunction that he couldn't leave the State of Illinois because he had caused some kind of breach of judicial security. But you are right on the money, that this is just, it's just at the breaking point where everyone is going to get together and realize that you know, the collective masses when empowered through information can [00:02:21] bring down all the false concepts, all the false theory. And I think you said it in the last interview, you said something that really struck me. You said, "All secrets will be known." It's the end of all secrets. And all the little secrets and all the things that are hidden and kept quiet, all those thing are going to be revealed, and once all that is out in the open there is nowhere to go but forward. David: Right, right. Totally. I mean [00:02:44] it's – and, and then you know what are, what are we going to do about it? At that point it's, it's, we are going to step into a deeper level of freedom. I mean we, really what we are doing, and really what TheBestDayEver really represents is it's a force for freedom in the world. So everybody who is listening right now, TheBestDayEver.com is a force for freedom. You are actually helping, by your subscription to this website, [00:03:12] to create the possibility that more people can find out about this information, thus creating more freedom in the world. That then creates the possibility of even more freedom, and it just goes on like this. So we thank you for your continued support and we ask you to spread the word as far and wide as you possibly can, because this website is the cutting edge of health in the world. It is. It is the very cutting edge of health in the world, and that is a [00:03:39] startling statement. It is a startling possibility. Lucien: It's amazing. And you know what really came home to
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me, Dave, was when we did the Longevity Conference and Dr. Mercola, who is just an amazing force of mainstream alternative health – I mean, what he is doing is amazing, because he is reaching so many millions of people through his raw food and especially his non-drug approach is that when he was at our events he kept saying, "Who are you people? Where [00:04:05] did you come from? What the heck is going on and why didn't I know about this earlier?" Like, "No one told me." It's almost like we had this little microcosm if cutting edge information that is just now budding forth into the mainstream, and I guess I just took it for granted that well, you know, anyone who is interested in health kind of knows this stuff. But actually, they don't. When you are on TheBestDayEver.com and when [00:04:30] you are connected with David Wolfe and you are connected with people like you know Truth Calkins, you are at another level of health. You are at a different level of health. And even though someone might be mainstream, more wellknown, have a million people on their mailing list, we are still leading the curve in terms of where things are going. And, like you said, it's all coming together. We are all making connections with these people. And it really struck [00:04:58] me at this last Longevity Conference, like, "Wow," like I guess I didn't realize how ahead of the curve we were. David: I was struck by that too, Lou. I really was. That particular thing struck me. Like when I actually realized what Dr. Mercola's level of knowledge was and wasn't, I was like, "Whoa." I was like shocked. Then I realized we are in such a bubble – just as you realized. By the way, before we let this [00:05:26] cancer issue go, Dr. Mercola and I are going to be doing an interview in June, and he sent a request today as to what we wanted to discuss, and I put in there cancer, inflammation and
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disease. That is what we are going to be focusing on in our conversation together. So if you are dealing with cancer, please stay tuned for that interview. I am sure it is going to be an incredible interview on the subject. And actually, Lou, we'll see how that interview [00:05:56] goes with Dr. Mercola, which is going to be happening here in about 7 weeks. If before that anybody really wants to get a focused interview on cancer itself, I would really like to do that, because as we get the second edition of the LongevityNOW program out, which is going to be coming out in the next few weeks here – actually probably in the next 6 weeks – but I'm just finishing up that final edit on it this week, what is going to happen is, is I [00:06:21] am going to be referencing that, I am going to be talking about some of the alternative therapies, we are going to lay out all our choices, and I can go all the way deep into what I know about cancer, which I rarely have the opportunity to do. Maybe sometimes at the end of a retreat after we have been in it together for 5 days I can really kind of lay it out, but I do want to get there with our, with our members at some point, and maybe that Dr. Mercola [00:06:42] interview will precipitate it, maybe we will do it before, maybe after, something. We'll see how it goes. Lucien: That's fantastic news. I mean, Dr. Mercola is, is someone that is really giving the mainstream public a real option in terms of natural health, non-drug therapy. He is someone that we are so amazingly – we are just so happy to align ourselves with him it's unbelievable. And these alignments are just producing such amazing results, and it really [00:07:15] feels like you have been accumulating this huge wealth of knowledge that is now really going to have its payoff when it reaches the mainstream people, and you know, I hope people on TheBestDayEver really feel and appreciate how fortunate they are, because one thing I walked away from the Longevity Conference is, you know, how lucky am I to go from where I was to just
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being able to just have access to this information and that passion of getting out there. And [00:07:41] I kind of got a feeling like, you know, I can see – I can see why people like David, Clint Ober, you know, Dr. Mercola, you see how bad things are but not dwelling on the bad but dwelling on how good things can be in the next 10, 20 years, like where we can really takes in terms of health and longevity and you know helping millions and millions of people. This is a really exciting time, and definitely we will be doing a cancer interview. This is something [00:08:11] that – it's been waiting to be done for 10 years on TheBestDayEver. We have been waiting to do a cancer interview for 10 years, and I think now – it seems like now is the time where we are not afraid, we are not holding back anymore, we are actually on the offensive and are saying, "Look. This is where we need to go, we are going to lead the way," and you know it will be an honor and privilege to do a cancer interview with you and really get people [00:08:32] on board in terms of how to deal with cancer. David: Totally. Totally excited to do that. I think that's the best news ever.

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