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A CONUNDRUMS FOR ENGINEER ALI

MIRZA AND ALI MIRZAIS.


TO

the followers of Ali Mirza and to whom it may concern.

Ali Mirza the Engineer has claimed that he remained Barailvi for 31 years
of his life.
Then he was converted to Diubandism {A Subssect of Sunnism}.
Then he was converted to Shiism {Probebly Isna: Ashrism, a sub Sect
of Shiism}.
This he claims for a short period of time.
Then he does not state what did he became.
It may be suggested that he then became Ahlul H:adi:s . So this implies
that there are three consecutive conversions of Engineer Ali Mirza.
1} From Initial Barailvism to Diubandism {Deobandism, a subsect of
Ahlussunmnah}.
2} From Diubandism to Isna: Ashrism { One of the three Shiite sects i)
Buhriah {Mustaliah},2} Isna: Ashriah {Twelvers}, 3} Nizariah}.
3} From Isna: Ashrism to Ahlul H:adism { An other Sunni Sub Sects}.
But the self styles story Engineered by Ali: Mirza , the Engineer, is
incorrect and inaccurate.
First if he became a Ahlul H:adi:s then he must have become after he had
converted to Isna: Ashrism, and certainly not before that.
Since each one of the first two conversions of Ali: Mirza are consecutive
in the sense that there is not conversion between the two stated above
conversions.
So any third conversion must be after the first two conversions.
Two conversions do imply three sects to which Ali Mirza belonged to .
Since it is implied that he was a Barailvi by his birth. His initial sect.
So it is not possible that he was an Ahlul H:adi:s between the first to
conversion.

So the only thing that can be assumed that when he became an Ahlul
H:adi:s he underwent an other conversion, the third one.
This is one side of the story as it is stated and implied from the videos of
the Lectures Of Engineer Ali Mirza. But this story as stated seems to lack
Historicity.
Shaikh Ali: Zai {An Ahlul H:adi:s scholar with some differences from the
main stream of Ahlul H:adism} narrates an other picture of the story.
Fortunately the words of Shaikh Zubair {Ali Zai} are are recorded as an
IRREFUTABLE proof that at best one of the two stories is incorrect and
inaccurate, and at worst both of them are in correct and inaccurate.
Maulana Ali: Zai mensions :=

. AT ANY RATE [Bahar H:a:l] ,I DID NOT SAID TO


HIM,HE BY HIS OWN WILL BECAME AHLUL H:ADI:S ; AND
HE IS THE BROTHER WHO HAS BECOME AHLUL H:ADIS
FROM BARAILVI; LAST YEAR HE CAME TO ME AT THAT TIME
HE WAS RESEARCHING...

This shews that Engineer Ali: Mirza was converted to Ahlul H:adi:s
directly from Barailvism.
This is a direct contradiction of the former story.
When Shaikh Ali Zai said the word Ahlul H:asi:s the video fortunately
record the word AL H:AMDULILKA:H, STATED BY Engineer Ali: Mirza. The
sound is certainly of the Engineer Ali: Mirza. Shaikh Ali Zai considered
him as the speaker of truth. It is strongly improbable that Shaikh Ali Zai
concocted a false story. It is strongly probable that Ali Mirza told him and
he repeated the story as it was told to him, in public.
There is a very strong probability that Ali Mirza told a very different story
to Shaikh Ali Zai and he due to his simplicity accepted the story of
Engineer Ali: Mirza about his conversion to Ahlul H:adi:s from
Barailvism. The words AL H:AMDULIL LA:H said by Ali Mirza practically
implies that he is confirming what so ever was said by Maulana: Zubair
about him { i.e :Ali: Mirza of Jhelem, the Engineer whoprobebly
engineered the story to deceive Maulana: Shaikh Zubair Ali: Zai}.

So this means that at best on of the two stories are deprived of historicity.
I may be noted that the former story is more historical then the latter yet
none of them appears to be totallytrue .
1} First it is found that for some time Engineer Ali Mirza was with Doctor
Isra:r Ah:mad as well. But Doctor Isra:r was not a Diubandi , he had
some of his own views. He only respected some Diubandi Scholars. But he
cannot be declair as a Diubandi except by some stunch Barailvis who
define a Diubandi as any one who is not a Barailvi. Diubandi Subsect Of
Ahlussunnah do not recognize Homeo-Doctor Isr:ar Ah:mad as a
Diubandi. So if Engineer was with the Doctor he can only be declared as a
Diubandi by a stunch Barailvi and non other. This means that even when
the Engineer was with the Doctor he was still a Barailvi. The question is
why he was with Doctor Isra:r when he Was a Barailvi. The answer may
rest in the heart of the Engineer Ali Mirza: , but one may have a right to
suggest a probable reason for this.
The basic scheme appears to be that he wanted to know the internal
mechanism of the Tanz:i:m founded by Doctor Isra:r Ah:mad so that he
may organize his own organization /Tanz:i:m. So he was still a Barailvi and
he never became a Diubandi. (This is verified by the methods of his blind
followers who follow the Engineer. The pattern is a close approximation of
the methods employed by the Late Doctor Isra:r Ah:mad).
Then he claimed to become an Ahlul H:adi:s by narrating that he is a
Barailvi and he is researching. But he then became a Isna: Ashrite. That
is the reason of his Supreme Sympathy with them. His sympathy for them
knows no limit. So our research does shew that Engineer Ali: Mirza did
convert but the story of his conversion is different from what he did
narrate to Simple minded Shaikh
Ali: Zai , and what he does narrate now in his self styled lectures.
His first conversion is from Barailvism to AhlulH:adism .
Any other conversion is certainly from Ahlul H:adi:sism .

THIS CONCLUDES THAT ENGINEER ALI: MIRZA


CONSTINOUSLY DISTORTS THE ACTUAL HISTORY OF
HIS CONVERSIONS AND NEVER TELLS WHAT DID
ACTUALLY HAPPEN IN HIS PAST.
THE FOLLOWERS OF ALI MIRZA WHO MAY BE
RENAMED AS ALIMIRZAISOR ENGINEERITES ARE

REQUESTED THAT THE STATED ABOVE ARGUMENTS


ARE IRREFUTABLE PROOFS OF THE FACT THAT ALI
MIRZA IS UNTRUSTABLE AND UNRELIABLE SO FOR
THE SAKE OF ALL-H AND HIS PROPHET
MUH:AMMAD PLEASE DRIFT AWAY FROM HIM AND
HIS FOLDS. RELIGION CANNOT BE LEARNED FROM
THIS PERSON WHO IS PROVED AS ONE WHO DOES
NOT TELL THE FACTS EVEN ABOUT HIS OWN SELF.
OUR RESEARCH SHEWS THAT ALI MIRZA IS
INSPIRED BY AN ISNA: ASHRITE SCHOLAR
HUSAIN NAJFI OF SARGODHA: .WHO LIVES IN
SATTERLITE TOWN SARGHODHA.
A RESEARCH WORK ABOUT THE SIMILIRALITIES
BETWEEN HUSAIN NAJFI SHALL BE GIVEN LATTER.
Ali Mirza: has a right to accept any sect of his
choice whether it is Shiite Subsects like Isna:
Ashrism or Mutalism etc. but he has no right to
distort Sunnism.
He uses Sunni Books to misguide Sunnis.
DEFENCE OF MUAVIAH:=
Ali Mirza uses all his computer technologies
available to him to search traditions [Rava:ya:t]
against Imam and Maula Muaviah. But actually he
is making grounds to attack Azva:jur Rasu:l in the
curtain OF OBJECTIONS ON Muaviah RD.
We give certain example.

1] Sunan Ibn Ma:jah, Kitab An Nika:h:, Bab Hasn Al


M-ASHA-RAH Tradition no: 1981, there did
occurred a dispute between Siyidatuna Va
Maulatuna A:ishah RD, and and Saiyiduna Zainab
RD . Saiyiduna Zainab stated to Holy Prophet
.
It is obvious that Ali Mirza shall sooner or later
accuse Saiyiduna Zainab for saying these words or
accuse Imam Ibn Majah for copying this tradition,
by adding the word Astaghfarullah after it, in Case
he considers the tradition weak. As Ali Mirza has
done in some cases , he accuse the copier of weak
traditions.
[Note we have not presented the translation of the
quoted sentences and words in the tradition, for
some technical reasons, neverless we shall
produce it if we found it. Those who are interested
may read the tradition in Ibn Majah them seves.
Point to be noted. If Ali Mirza Accuse Imam
Muaviah on the tradition of Siyiduna Ibn Abbas
RD, he is likely to accuse either Saiyiduna Zainab
RD or Imam Ibn Majah on similar grounds. Ali Mirza
is likely to accuse either Saiyiduna Zainab as not
respecting the Holy Prophet or Imam Ibn Mahah for
copying a weak tradition of disrespect in regard to
Holy Prophet. Astagh Farullah.
2] Sooner or later Ali Mirza is likely to accuse
either Imam Bukhari for the tradition Bukhari

Kita:b As:s:asla:h, Bb Krahiatut tari Hadith


no:357. Or accuse the Holy Prophet
[S:AVS].Astaghfarullah va Nau:dhuBillah.
Those who are interested to study the tradition are
requested to read the tradition themselves. We
believe that the tradition is correct yet Ali Mirza
Sooner or latter is likely to accuse either Imam
Bukhari or the Holy Perophet. Astaghfarullah.
LANATULLAH ALA ALI MIRZA OF JHELUM.
3] Ali Mirza is likely to accuse either Saiyidatuna
A:ishah RD or Saiyidatuna Zainab on there
dispute in the presence of Holy Prophet SAVS as
reported in Muslim Kita:b Ar-d:a: Q-sm Bain Az
zauja:t Hadi:th no:1462 .
4] Ali Mirza is likely to accuse Saiyiduna A:ishah
or SaiyidunaHafs:ah or both of the two Holy Ladies
Rad:i Allahu
Anhuma: for changing there respective camels
with out the permition of Holy Prophet just to see
new events.
It is likely that after his probable accusation he is
likely to add his traditional words Astaghfarullah to
emphasis is allegation . [Astaghfatulla:h]. Bukhari.
CONSPARACY OF ENGINEER ALI MIRZA AGAINST
TRADITIONS.
Ali Mirza is actually trying to make grounds to
attack Other Sah:abah and authors of books of

traditions of Ah:sadis. But for the time being is


only accusing Imam Muaviah. Once the method of
accusation is grounded in the minds of his
audiences he is just going to expantd them on
other Companions of Holy Prohets or books of
tradtions.
The Above are some examples we have quoted .
How ever as the works are only for the followers of
Ali Mirza who have not perceived the mischievous
trick of Ali Mirza, we have not given full
references. Those followers of Ali Mirza are
requested to see these PORTIONS CITED ABOVE
them selves and drift from the worst heretic and
most dangerous hypocrate of all the times after
Abdullah Bin Ubai toAli Mirza.
Please do study and compare the methodology of
Ali Mirza, so that it may be cleared in minds of his
audiences that similar reasoning can be used
against other S:ah:bah as well, and his reasoning
are not restricted AGAINST Saiyiduna Muaviah
RD.
WE SHALL SOON WRITE A DETAIL WORK TO SHEW
THAT THE METHODOLOGY INVENTED BY ALI MIRZA
IS A RAFID:I: MATHODOLOGY , AND IN THAT WORK
WE SHALL WRITE EACH ONEOF THE MENTIONED
TRADITION WITH WITH ITS ARABIC TEXT INSHA
ALLAH. Also we shall defend not only these
traditions and the authors of the books of these

traditions but also Saiyiduna Mua:viah RDON


SIMILAR GROUNDS.