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No

in January 17th,

2011

Is Comments

it necessary

that

a

**basic dimension should
**

always be from a datum feature in a case where

three datums are formed by a surface of a cube

and there are two blind holes in this surface? There

2Published

Comments

2nd, 2010

Q

– two

If in

a February

basic holes

dimension

does

notsurface

show a specific tolerance what tolerance should be

are

other

on the

other

applied?

perpendicular to the datum surface.

Elton

Hughes

I indicate

the first surface as datum A and the two

Question About Basic Dimensions

**Question about a basic dimension without a
**

specific

tolerance

blind

holes on that

surface as B and C,

—————————————————————————————————————————

respectively.

When dimensioning the other two

———————

holes that are on the face perpendicular to datum A

A – Basic dimensions by nature are a theoretically exact value; however, the feature(s) of a

(other side of cube), I gave position tolerance w.r.t. A B C. I indicate the location of the hole

part they define as ideal or exact do need to have tolerances to permit acceptable levels of

from the edges as basic.

imperfection during manufacturing.

Since those edges are not datums, only the one edge that is common between the datum

When a feature is defined with basic dimensions, the tolerance for that feature must be

surface and the said surface on which these holes are, is a datum surface edge. The other

expressed through a geometric tolerance. Most often, the geometric tolerance is indicated

edge (which is a perpendicular edge) is not a datum, but to show a theoretically correct

directly to the feature or feature of size on the face of the drawing; however, some

dimension, I have shown it as basic, then I have a feature control frame associated with this

companies include a general geometrical tolerance (such as a position tolerance or profile of

basic dimension. Is that correct?

a surface tolerance) in the drawing’s general notes. This can be an effective tool when the

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note is carefully written.

Reply:

Drawings based on ISO standards frequently use a class of general geometrical tolerances

standardized

ISO 2768-2

The

three helps

classes

identified

throughtothe

use of the

Thanks

for theinexample

and :1989.

graphic.

It really

to are

have

an application

discuss.

upper case letters H, K, or L after the ISO 2768 indication on the drawing. You would need a

The

the datum

as the origin

of all basic

dimensions.

copyASME

of the standard

standard sets

to interpret

the amount

of tolerance

available.

ETI’s Fundamentals of Geometric Dimensioning and Tolerancing textbook illustrates this

If

you are absolutely

certain

geometrical

tolerance

hasmay

not been

applied

to the basic

especially

well in Figure

5-10that

on apg.

124. A basic

dimension

be shown

between

two

dimension

(check

all

drawing

views),

then

the

drawing

must

be

considered

as

incomplete.

non-datum features if there are additional basic dimensions that relate it to the datum

Without

a tolerance,

selecting

manufacturing process for the considered feature is

reference

frame (chained

basica dimensions).

impossible to do with any amount of certainty, and there is no acceptance criteria to compare

What

you want to

using

a basicprocess.

dimension that has no relationship to a datum

measurements

to avoid

duringisthe

inspection

reference frame. This is often termed a “floating basic.” Without the ability to relate to a

Thanks

for writing,

datum reference

frame, these floating basics are immeasurable and cannot be accurately

analyzed

in a tolerance stack-up.

Alex

In your example, Datum A is the primary datum and, as used in the position

tolerance, establishes the orientation of the tolerance zone (parallel to datum A). The basic

dimension of 10 from datum A established the location of the tolerance zone from datum

plane A.

So what else is required? We need to know the horizontal location (left and right variations)

of the holes and some additional orientation requirements, because the holes could

theoretically spin on the plane of A. Datum references B and C could define that for us, but

we don’t know where the holes are from B. The basic dimension of 10 is related to a nondatum feature (this makes it a floating basic).

This drawing will require a section view to show and dimension the relationship between the

two pairs of holes. This dimension must be a basic dimension and will allow us to remove the

horizontal basic 10.

Michael Adcock

ASME GDTP Senior Level

Dimensional Engineering Mentor

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