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The Advance Metalworking Lathe

This page is to provide general information about the Advance metalworking lathe, an example
of which I own. If you can add, correct or confirm any information on this page, please contact
me. Copies of any documentation such as manuals or sales literature would be greatly
appreciated as a number of us are looking for this material. If you'd like to have pictures of your
Advance lathe added to the page, send them along. Even if you have nothing new to add, I'd still
like to hear from you if you have one of these lathes.

Disclaimer: The author has provided these pages as a means of sharing his hobbies and
experiences with others. The author is not an expert on any of the material presented, and the
information may be inaccurate in places. Some of the machines or techniques shown may not
meet current safety standards. There are inherit safety issues with most of the subject matter and
these issues are not dealt with here. Use of any information presented herein is at your own risk
and the author assumes no responsibility for personal injury, property damage or financial
losses resulting from the use of said information.

About the Advance

The Advance is an Australian made bench top lathe, the design of which is based on the popular
British made Myford ML2/ML4. Like the ML2 and ML4, the Advance was shipped with many
variations over its lifetime. Further, manufacturing changed hands at some point, adding to the
changes. Some of the variations include:

• Countershaft assemblies and related guarding.


• With, or without tumble reverse, including a different banjo.
• Apron/lead screw setup.
• Some head stocks are separate to the bed, others are single castings.
• Plain bearings versus taper roller bearings.
• Head stock spindle nose thread.
• Changes to the tail stock.
• Tail stock taper (MT1 versus MT2).
• Bed lengths - 12" between centres versus 22".

Courtesy of Tony Watson: "I have ascertained from a member of the Melbourne Society of
Model and Experimental Engineers that the Advance lathe was built by one Bert Kirby in Mount
Alexander Road, Mooney Ponds until his retirement in the early 1960s. Bert sold up to Alfred
Stewart Pty Ltd on retirement. He died in 1984. An Advance drill press was also made. Alfred
Stewart traded from 391 Little Bourke Street [Melbourne] until about 1975."

Beyond that, it seems Alfred Stewart changed their business structure around a bit. My lathe is
badged "Alfred Stewart Pty. Ltd. Melbourne, Aust. Sole Agents for Advance Machine Tools Pty.
Ltd." while another owner's is badged "Alfred Stewart Manufacturing Engineers Pty. Ltd Kilsyth
Victoria".

It is worth noting that there is another ML4 clone, the British made "Perfecto".

I should mention the lathes.co.uk web site. It contains information on a great many lathes and
considerable lathe documentation is available for purchase. There is significant information as
well as literature available for both the Myford ML2/ML4 and the Perfecto, but sadly, no
literature for the Advance as yet. I have no experience with the Myford or Perfecto manuals sold
there so can't say how useful the information may be for the Advance lathe. Links are at the
bottom of the page.

Peoples Lathes

Go on, make my day and send me a picture of your Advance so I can put it here.

Click the images below for full details on each of the lathes.

AK287. Tony's early Advance. Very nice.

Tony is also rebuilding a round bed Drummond. He's after the following parts: cast iron tray
(short round bed), flywheel, treadle and pitman. The treadle may be same as that used on the
B/M type Drummonds. He has for exchange, if necessary, a long round bed tray, countershaft
(also suit B/M type), set of M type legs, free standing foot motor (treadle) and a set of M type
change gears (less 73 tooth gear). Alternatively he may be interested in purchasing a B/M type.
Tony can be contacted at Tony.x.Watson at dva.gov.au (replace "at" with "@" to complete the
email address).

A137. This was my Advance.


A629. Lindsay's Advance.

Using Accessories From Other Lathes

Head stock spindle nose. On lathes with a plain bearing head stock, the spindle nose thread is a
1", 10 tpi Whitworth (55 degree) form. A little searching on the Internet indicates a 1" x 10 tpi
thread was used on a few other metal lathes and it is a common thread for woodworking lathes.
My old Woodfast woodworking lathe has this thread and some woodworking face plates I have
fit the Advance. I'm told the thread does not match any standard tap.

On lathes with a roller bearing head stock, the thread is 1 1/4" x 10 tpi. I have no idea if anything
else uses this.

Neither thread is the same as that used on the late model Myford ML2/ML4's (or the 7 series
Myfords) or the Perfecto. A useful resource is "Machining and fitting a chuck back plate" at the
The Model Engineer Support Page.

Head stock and Tail stock tapers. It appears that the head stock taper on all versions is MT2.
On early lathes, the tail stock taper is MT1, on later lathes MT2.

Change Gears. Presumably the Advance, ML2/ML4 and Perfecto all use identical gears.
However gears for those machines aren't readily available. Fortunately Myford ML7 gears are
readily available and can be adapted quite easily to the ML2/ML4 (and presumably the
Advance). See the lathes.co.uk ML2/ML4 page for more information on this.

Parts

With the manufacturer long gone, I don't expect any original manufacturer parts are still around.
No doubt many parts for the Myfords or Perfecto would fit this lathe. Unfortunately Myford no
longer have any parts for the ML2/ML4, nor have I been able to locate a source for Perfecto
parts.

Here's what I know of that you can get:

• I'm told the head stock spindle bearings are a commonly available tapered roller bearing
(for lathes that use this kind of bearing).
• In addition to the ML7 change gears, the double gear in the back gear assembly may be
the same as the ML7 (See lathes.co.uk ML2/ML4 page).
• Generic items such as belts, motor, electricals etc. shouldn't be a problem.

If you're looking at purchasing one of these lathes, you should be prepared to fabricate (or have
fabricated) any other needed parts. Check any machine over thoroughly before purchase - this is
a lightly made lathe that isn't always given the respect it needs.
Enabling the Back Gear

If its not obvious to you how to do this, welcome to the club. Another Advance owner was kind
enough to put me on the right track.

Switching in and out of back gear should be done with the lathe stopped.

To engage, locate the grub screw on the spindle pulley and loosen off. Ensure the pulley spins
freely on the spindle. If not, see "Servicing the Head stock Spindle and Bearings" below. Swing
the indicated handle towards the front of the lathe to engage the gears. You may have to wiggle
the spindle or chuck a little to get the gears to engage properly.

To disengage, swing the indicated handle back until it points backwards from the lathe. Don't
swing it as far as it will go, it will only re-engage the gears. Slowly tighten down the pulley grub
screw, rotating the pulley as you go to locate the small hole the screw locks into. Note that the
grub screw for the gear on the end of the spindle lines up with the hole for the pulley grub screw.
Once you have located the hole, rock the pulley back and forward as you slowly tighten so the
grub screw seeks out the lowest point (the hole in my lathe was worn into an oval shape, deeper
in the middle).

Setting up the Change Gears for Screw Cutting


On the left is a picture of the change gear settings chart should anyone need it. Click the image
for a larger version you can actually read.

Some imperial and metric threading tables for the standard gear set are available here. For
additional discussion on change gears and the program I wrote to create those tables, see the
ChangeGears download below.

Servicing, Modifications and Repairs

General Cleaning, Lubrication and Setup - I was going to put up a nice page on this with
pictures, but there is plenty of suitable info on other web pages. For example at mini-lathe.com
or The Model Engineer Support Page.
Servicing the Head stock Spindle and Bearings - Click for plain bearings or tapered roller
bearings.

Hints and Tips

From Tony Watson: "The proper oil for slide ways and head stock bearings is the same as chain
bar oil sold for your chain saw. This is a 'sticky' oil and makes a world of difference to the
machine's feel - silky smooth! I got this advice from the Shell technical help line after they said
when it is branded as Tellus slide way lubricant it is only available in 20 and 200 litre drums.
Chain bar oil is available in 500ml bottles."

Downloads

ChangeGears - A simple application I wrote to figure out best-fit change gear settings for any
imperial or metric thread. Follow the link for threading tables and other information on change
gears.
Links

lathes.co.uk- Lots of specific lathe information including Advance (based on information from
this site), Myford ML2/ML4 info, Perfecto info and Manuals.
The Model Engineer Support Page - Great site. The Workshop section has lots of info pertaining
to small lathes.
mini-lathe.com - 7x10 / 7x12 Asian mini-lathe site with plenty of useful info.