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TRANSCRIPTION OF THE

AUDIO-RECORDED TELEPHONE CONVERSATION

between

OPB Interviewer

and

Mr. Ryan Bundy

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Transcriber:

Ms . Heather Fairless

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And so if they join together

to help you to push him out whether by verbal or

physical force, okay, government is born.

it the government of the lunch line.


OPB INTERVIEWER:

You can call

I know that many of my

listeners are going to be, you know, screaming at their

radios right now, saying you are talking to a guy who is

breaking the law, who has come in armed, has disrupted

people's lives, who is not even from the state of

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Oregon.
MR. BUNDY:

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Yeah.

Well, first of all, we

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have not disrupted anyone's life.

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interrupted any single person.

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anybody's private property and according to the -OPB INTERVIEWER:

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in a vacuum.

We haven't encroached on

But this didn't happen

I mean --

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MR . BUNDY:

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OPB INTERVIEWER:

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I mean, we haven't

No, true.
-- the schools have

shut down.

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MR. BUNDY:

Well

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OPB INTERVIEWER:

And I know that there

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are mothers who are upset that their sons are here.

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say that lives haven't been disrupted, that is just not

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realistic.

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MR . BUNDY:

Granted.

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Okay.

Granted.
So why have militants

disrupted life at this particular facility at this

particular park?

reason for it, that the armed occupation of the refuge

was spontaneous.

But then he goes on to say something

quite different.

Here it is:

Well, at first Bundy says there is no

MR. BUNDY:

From this facility right here

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is where the charges came from to destroy the Hammonds,

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to throw the Hammonds in prison.

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100 ranchers out to make this place.

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destroying the lives and liberties and properties, you

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know, and property rights anyway of those around .

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being facilitated from this office.

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it puts a stop to that.

It has taken more than


It is, you know,

So by being here,

That is another reason and

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OPB INTERVIEWER:

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government workers are still working from home.

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MR. BUNDY:

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OPB INTERVIEWER:

But the federal

Well
They are still

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telecommuting .

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they meet, but they are still doing the same job.

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It is

I mean, this is just the space where

MR. BUNDY :

Well, perhaps.

You know,

this whole system isn't perfected yet.


OPB INTERVIEWER:

One of the things I

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noticed when I came in to this building is that ID cards

were put up for who was where in this facility.

Addresses have been pulled for who lives here.

used at all for -MR. BUNDY:

No.

Was that

In fact, you know, we

haven't touched a single personal item.

touched any of the computers.

to log on.

fact, it is kind of funny.

We haven't

We haven't used -- tried

We haven't -- we haven't done anything.

In

There is still -- anyway,

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that is not of interest to us.

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people.

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people that work here.

We are not here to hurt

We are not here to hurt people, not even the

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MR. BUNDY:

Sure.

That is not our intent and so

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no threats of any kind have gone out to anybody, any

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individual.
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What is stopping you

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from occupying the same building, same space, doing the

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same exact thing without the weapons?

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weapons necessary?
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Why are the

Let's turn to the Second

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Amendment.

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being necessary to the security of a free state.

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What does it say?

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A well-regulated militia

Do you believe that

this is a militia?

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The right to keep and bear

arms -- or the right of the people to keep and bear

arms.
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Keep and bear arms,

yeah.
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Okay.

You know, and quite

frankly I want to, you know -- put it this way:

not a terrorist organization.

are not trying to use extreme fear to accomplish

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anything.

OPB INTERVIEWER:

MR. BUNDY:
seriousness.

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Well, then why not just

Okay?

Because the lack of

You know --

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We

do all this but without the guns?

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We are not terrorism.

That is not what we are here to do.

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We are

The guns make the

seriousness?
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No.

Let's go back to George

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Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin.

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same definition that you are using to label us -- you,

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not speaking to you personally -- media, whatever -- by

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that same definition, George Washington was a terrorist.

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CERTIFICATE

I, HEATHER L. FAIRLESS, a Transcriber,

Registered Professional Reporter, Washington Certified

Court Reporter, and an Oregon Certified Shorthand

Reporter, do hereby certify that the foregoing interview

was taken down by me in stenotype from digital audio

media and transcribed through computer-aided

transcription; and that the foregoing pages constitute a

transcript prepared to the best of my ability.

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Witness my hand at Portland, Oregon, this 18th


day of August, 2016.

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Heather L. Fairless

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Oregon CSR No. 10-0418

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Washington CCR No. 2842

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accomplish 5:9
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all 2:/ 1 4:4 5:12
Amendment 4:22
anybody 4:15
anybody's 2:/4
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anyway 3:14 4:9
armed 2:8 3:6
arms 5:2, 3, 4
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government 2:3, 4 3:18
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guns 5:/2, 15
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occupation 3:6
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office 3:15
okay 2:3 3: / 5:6, 14
OPB 1:4 2:5, 15,18,21

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people 4:1/, JI, 12 5:2
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place 3:12
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