UNYA NSW Policy Committee Meeting United Kingdom Labour Party Immigration Policy 22 April 2010

UNITED KINGDOM LABOUR PARTY IMMIGRATION POLICY

Motion

Mr JEREMY TRAVERS: in reply: I thank all honourable members for their contributions to this motion
and I believe that debate went rather well. If I could address some of the points made by the honourable
gentleman opposite (Mr Edwin Montoya Zorrilla).

I point out that the honourable gentleman turned up to the meeting half way during my speech and yet he
had the audacity to speak against the motion.

[Laughter]

Mr JEREMY TRAVERS: He turned up half way through my speech and had the nerve—

[Laughter]

Mr JEREMY TRAVERS: No, you can laugh as much—

The POLICY DIRECTOR (in the Chair): Order! You will continue with your speech.

Mr JEREMY TRAVERS: Oh, I was enjoying that! Basically, the honourable gentleman made remarks
with regards to the burden of proof and I should say to him that the evidence is there for all to see; it is not
disputed by anyone. Quite frankly, if I see an article in The Sydney Morning Herald saying “Brown Takes
Australian Approach on Immigration” in big black letters—

Mr Edwin Montoya Zorrilla interjecting—

Mr JEREMY TRAVERS: The article is the second tabled document. If I see that, of course I am going to
support it. The honourable gentleman also makes points with respect to the policy not working in Australia. The
Howard Government introduced the policy and it clearly worked. It kept people out of the country. Think about
it, if we let every Tom, Dick and Harriett into the country—and yes, I did say Harriet as I do not want to be
accused of sexism—the economy would be collapsed and we would have more bludgers on the streets than we
do at the present time.

The honourable gentleman also made a point in respect to dole bludgers. Was that right? Did you make
reference to dole bludgers?

Mr Edwin Montoya Zorrilla: Yes.

Mr JEREMY TRAVERS: The honourable gentleman did make reference to dole bludgers. This is part
of the reason why we should support the Leader of the Opposition’s (Mr Tony Abbott) policy of removing the
dole for people under the age of 30. But seeing as I did take a point of order on the honourable gentleman for
not being relevant during his contribution, I do not want to seen to be a hypocrite.

The honourable gentleman talks about applying principles. The Australian and United Kingdom policies
are indeed applying the same principles.

Miss Deborah White interjecting—

The POLICY DIRECTOR (in the Chair): Order! Someone has to go to an Australian Labor Party
[ALP] Club meeting.

Mr JEREMY TRAVERS: Bull! You are missing the best speech of all time!

Miss Deborah White: Motion to move to voting.

Mr Edwin Montoya Zorrilla: No, just—

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The POLICY DIRECTOR (in the Chair): Order! It is okay. The right honourable gentleman should just
be another fifteen minutes.

[Laughter]

Miss Deborah White: Can I just do a proxy vote then?

Mr JEREMY TRAVERS: I should point out that we are more than happy to entertain a proxy vote, given
that there are not many people present.

The POLICY DIRECTOR (in the Chair): Order! Yes. Well, no, I do not believe proxy votes are in
order. Because Kat tried to do the same thing—

Mr Jeremy Travers interjecting—

Miss Deborah White: If it is not in order, than we should stick to the legitimacy of the meeting.

[Interruption]

Mr JEREMY TRAVERS: Fifteen more minutes? Unbelievable.

The POLICY DIRECTOR (in the Chair): Order! No, do not. It was a joke.

Miss Deborah White: It was not an invitation.

Mr JEREMY TRAVERS: Anyway, if I can return to the credibility—or the lack of credibility—in the
honourable gentleman’s (Mr Edwin Montoya Zorrilla) speech.

Miss Deborah White: See you all later.

[Interruption]

Mr JEREMY TRAVERS: See all the fun you are missing?

Miss Deborah White withdrew from the meeting—

Mr JEREMY TRAVERS: Back to the lack of credibility in the honourable gentleman’s speech. As I said
previously, he turned up half way through my original speech and yet spoke against the motion. He talked about
a whole bunch of crap, to say the least. I am putting that politely—

Mr Julian Chu: Point of order: I would take exception to the word that my right honourable friend used.
Is there a point of order I could take?

The POLICY DIRECTOR (in the Chair): Order! I would ask the right honourable gentleman to please
refrain from swearing.

Mr JEREMY TRAVERS: I would submit that the word “crap” is not unparliamentary. And I have
precedent to back that claim, including a ruling from Mr Speaker Murray.

The POLICY DIRECTOR (in the Chair): Order! But it is “un-UNYA-mentary”.

Mr JEREMY TRAVERS: Fine. The honourable gentleman made a point along the lines of “each country
has a points system” that I agree with—surprising that I agree with a point that he made—and would say that
this is the matter that we are debating.

The speech made by Miss Natalie Czapski; well, the less I say about that, the better. The honourable lady
was unsure of the system that we were discussing and gave a speech opposing the motion anyway.

[Interruption]
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The POLICY DIRECTOR (in the Chair): Order! No, she did not. She simply asked about the system as
she was ill-informed about it.

Mr JEREMY TRAVERS: I accept that and I will withdraw my comment. I would like to thank my
honourable friends (Mr Julian Chu and Mr Alex Dore) for seconding the motion and speaking in favour of the
motion respectively. In comparison, the honourable gentleman opposite (Mr Edwin Montoya Zorrilla) was ill-
informed.

I will conclude this speech because, as much as I would love to discuss this all night, I cannot. Basically,
the right honourable gentleman the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is making a tough decision—and a
good decision, I might add. I would urge all honourable Members to support this motion because this policy is
based on something that actually works to the benefit of a country. Whether or not this policy will work in the
United Kingdom is a matter for the country to decide at their General Election on the 6th of May. And, quite
frankly, from the results we have seen, this policy would work. I would ask all honourable members to dismiss
what the honourable gentleman (Mr Edwin Montoya Zorrilla) said.

I commend the motion to the Division once again and move:

That the question be now put.

Question—That the motion moved by Mr Jeremy Travers be agreed to—put.

The Committee divided.

Ayes
Mr Chu
Mr Dore
Mr Travers

Noes
Mr Montoya Zorrilla

Abstentions
Miss Czapski

Question agreed to.