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Curtis,You might want to check out the parallax corrected moon position as
this could account for the timing difference as much as the difference
between Lahiri and Raman.Dave

An almost unknown (perhaps it is "underground") ayanamsa which I discovered in u
se among certain South Indian Jaimini and Nadi adepts (in Kerala, around the Pon
mudi forest) is the Alcyone/Krittika (or Pleiades) ayanamsa (there is a vague hi
nt of this also in the 1920 Robson book on fixed stars) This ayanamsa starts at
149 BC (ie, 0 Aries is given at that year), and at the current time (2012) the d
egree correction to tropical positions is 30degrees09minutes (about 6 degrees fu
rther along than Lahiri)-calculation for any date using this ayanamsa is date+14
9x50.24, result divided by 3600 = ayanamsa correction for any given year.
I must admit from my own experiments that I have been mostly disappointed with (
what I consider to be) the accuracy of the Lahiri, Fagan-Bradley and B.V. Raman
ayanamsas relative to delineative results from sidereal charts erected using the
m (please note that I am referring only to my own experiences!!) However, in my
experiments I have had much more encouraging results using the Alcyone/Krittika
ayanamsa-much better delineative accuracy (although I still remain a tropicalist
, based on what I consider to be even better accuracy using tropical)
This Pleiades (Alcyone/Krittika) ayanamsa is close to other ayanamsas suggested
by Cheiro and MacGregor Mathers ("Golden Dawn" Mathers) in the first years of th
e 20th century (this one starts at 99 BC), and is also close to the well-investi
gated (Gould et al) Hipparchus ayanamsa, which starts @ 109 BC: notice that all
of these variant ayanamsas are within 50 years of each other, and that all of th
em are very much earlier than the generally used (in sidereal astrology) ayanams
as of Lahiri, Fagan-Bradley and B.V. Raman...
Presented only as food for thought, for the open-minded:biggrin:!
Interestingly dr. farr has pointed out this "around 30degr" difference in ayanam
sa which seems to coincide with what Cayce spoke about when he said:
For instance, the astrological influences are not in the form or manner as has be
en so oft and is so oft judged by the purely astrological aspects from records.
For the shifting, the changes that have been wrought in the zodiac as well as th
e signs and positions of this material sphere in relationship to the whole have
been misjudged. (1770-2)
....the variations in time have been corrected by the Persians and not by the Egy
ptians. The Egyptian calculations are thirty degrees off. (2011-3)
For most astrologers are nearly thirty degrees off in their reckoning in the pres
ent. (3376-2)
I found the Galactic Ayanamsa and I am liking it because it is allowing me to do
something that I have been wanting to do: To use Jaimini Sutras coherently in t
he Sidereal Zodiac. I don't know if anybody knows about Ernst Wilhelm's Tropical
Zodiac approach to Vedic Astrology. I tried this approach, but no matter from w
hat angle I see it, I have never identified myself much with the Tropical Zodiac
. In fact, the reason I became really attracted to the common sidereal Vedic Ast
rology was due to how it really was describing who I was. Thus, even though I li
ke the very sound logic of Ernst (a quality that many astrologers are clearly la
cking), I still couldn't really see myself in the lights of the Tropical Zodiac
(However, I am not sure if 17 years of life experience are enough to actually ju
dge the matter well).
The thing that was really keeping me with some strings attached to the Tropical
Zodiac was that the Jaimini Karakas (significators) were more precise than the J
aimini Karakas in the Sidereal Zodiac. However when I determined the karakas wit
h the D9 using the Galactic ayanamsa with the Jaimini Karaka Determination schem
e, all suddenly became very accurate (For example: Most philosophers in the data
base were Jupiter or Venus Atmakarka*. Most military men became Mars and Sun Atm
akaraka, etc.) Many ayanamshas are around Lahiri coordinates, or significantly (
1-3 degrees) forward, but the Galactic Ayanamsa is the only one I have seen that
is significantly backward. Then I used the Galactic ayanamsha, but instead of d
etermining the Jaimini Karakas in the D1, I determined them in the D9 (A divisio
nal chart; most vedic astrologers use this one and claim that it is the most imp
ortant divisional chart) and this technique worked (as previously mentioned). Af
ter all, if the atmakarakas were to e determined in the Main (d1) birth chart mo
st *Atmakarakas (Soul/Self significators) would fall in the last 4-6 (24-29.9) d
egrees; thus implying, most Atmakarakas would fall on the last Nakshatras of eac
h sign (Even in the Tropical Zodiac, which is not aligned with the Nakshatras, a
similar problem would occur), which sounds very un-ontological (meaning not rel
ated to how reality inherently and sometimes obviously is). The D9 chart is cons
idered the most important divisional chart and also allows for the Atmakaraka to
fall in any Nakshatra. Also, using the D9 for karaka determination doesn't viol
ate any rule in the Jaimini Sutras; there is no ambiguity at all in this either,
Jaimini never mentioned what particular chart (main or divisional) to use to de
termine the Karakas (Jaimini is to a significant extent ciphered, thus, has some
ambiguity when one starts studying it, thus, one must try to understand it with
patience). Accuracy, not ambiguity, is more likely the case because Jaimini Sut
ras heavily uses the Navamsa (D9) chart) + Now we can say that the Nakshatra pos
itions of the Atmakaraka will now vary like they should.
I use Kala 2013 Astrology Software, thus, I am able to use the Galactic Ayanamsa
because Kala has an user defined Ayanamsa option. I need the most precise date
possible in the format MM/DD/YYYY deg:min:sec because I am using the Navamsa (D9
) chart for this technique, and the Navamsa chart goes 9 times faster than the m
ain (D1) birth chart. Thanks!

I don't know the answer to your question on Galactic Ayanamsa. But there is a as
tronomy book called Sidhanta Darpana by Channdrasekhar (from Orissa state) writt
en back 100 years ago or so. Chandrasekhar is an eminent astronomer like Bhaskar
a. He identified the corrections to be done for different planets etc.
He computes Ayanamsa based on the principles of Surya Sidhanta, which is having
a difference of about 10 mins from Lahiri Ayanamsa. So I am not sure how accurat
e it will be to use Galactic Ayanamsa.
And you brought up an important point on Atmakaraka. Many of the translations in
dicate Atmakaraka is the planet having highest degrees, mins, secs in rasi. But
you are saying that you are determining Atma Karaka using D9. Can you please exp
lain how you are doing this in D9?

Sorry for the delay, I had to finish my monthly lunar planner.
Applying the Atmakarakas to a Navamsa ninth harmonic chart sounds like an intrig
uing exploration.
July 6, 1998 25 00' 00"
07/06/1998 25 00' 00"
This places the GEN at 5 0' 00" Sidereal Sag.
This date is based on best estimates of when the galactic equatorial node (GEN)
was at 270 00' 00" ecliptic longitude from the vernal point (18Hrs RA), creating
the exact precessional cross. The exact location of the GEN is based upon the an
gular orientation of the galactic plane and the location of Galactic Center (GC)
and the North Galactic Pole (NGP). It should be note there are variables in det
ermining the exact location of the GEN, such as if the location of GC is based o
n IFR or hydrogen, or how exact is the angular inclination of the galactic plane
to Earth's equatorial plane. Hence defining sign cusps to within fraction of a
degree is purely academic.
Although somewhat subjective, I had explored my galactic ayanamsa using micro-dw
ads, only with the charts of a few close friends, but did find it to work quite
well for cuspal placements. I also explored the placement of specific cuspal sta
rs, which also made sense (to me anyway) using this ayanamsa.
I would be interested to know about your findings regarding using this ayanamsa.
I also wonder if the Babylonian ayanamsa works for you. It is relatively close
to the galactic ayanamsa, and according to Cyril Fagan the Babylonian zodiak was
that used in original Hindu astrology.
See: The Ochchabhaga by Cyril Fagan February 1955

Jan 12, 2009

Ernst Wilhelm suggests that the ayanamsa for rasis should be determined accordin
g to tropical (currently used in Western Astrology) and Nakshatras according to
sidereal. His arguments make sense. For example it is very reasonable to associa
te the beginnings of the mobile signs, Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn with t
he solstices and equinoxes. He has a free class on ayanamsa and rasis in his web
site that is worth reading. He backs up his arguments with references from the
ancient texts.

Visti Larsen
iv. Clues from the seers
We are not left without clues from the seers of the vedas. According to Surya Si
ddhanta[3], the circumference of the nakshatras wherein the stars exist are sixt
y times larger than the circumference of the earths movement around the Sun. By
this is implied that it takes sixty times longer for the Sun to progress one deg
ree, than it takes the earth. Therefore it takes 60 years before the Sun has pro
gressed one degree in the stars, and 120 years before it progresses two degrees.
This makes the average rate of precession of the ayanamsa one minute per year.
This is ten arc seconds faster than the current precession (50?).
Assuming this data to be accurate, it would give a cycle lasting 21600 years bef
ore the Sayana and Niryana chakras aligned again.
So far the only software today, to this authors knowledge, which depicts the Aya
namsa based on actual star positions is Jagannath Hora, by PVR Narasimha Rao. Th
e software uses an ephemeris with the actual star positions to fix the ayanamsa.
Yet, it is this authors hope that one day astrologers will be able to calculate
the ayanamsa for any given time using the knowledge given to us by the seers.