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http://www.alternet.org/story/147197/ Amid the continuing fallout over the deadly confrontation aboard the Gaza aid ship, Mavi Marmara, there is a critical historical lesson: There is only one real victim, and that is Israel. Sure, the “small, isolated” nation may appear to have been the aggressor, having surrounded a humanitarian convoy in international waters with naval assault boats and helicopters before storming in with heavily armed

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elite forces killing and wounding dozens of civilians, but it was acting in self-defense. Appearances are deceiving because understanding Israel’s eternal victimhood requires the proper mindset. And once you have the proper mindset, there is no need for facts. Atlantic Monthly’s Jeffrey Goldberg, who has been hanging “around a lot of Israeli generals lately,” kindly advises us that there should be “no particular pain felt for the dead on the boat.” On the other hand, “There's real pain in Israel...pain at the humiliation of the flotilla raid, pain on behalf of the injured soldiers, and pain that the geniuses who run this country could not figure out a way to outsmart a bunch of Turkish Islamists and their useful idiot fellow travelers.” Some might ask if we should feel “no particular pain” for the dead of Sept. 11. Or perhaps we should follow the lead of the White House – which sees no point in condemning Israel’s killing of civilians in the flotilla because “Nothing can bring them back” – and not condemn the architects of Sept. 11 or the Madrid and London bombings because that won’t bring back the dead. But that is the thinking of “idiot fellow travelers.” Hillary Clinton provides further insight, explaining how benighted Arabs who “are not sure what democracy means” should look to Israel – “a beacon of democracy” – as an example. We can now draw the first conclusion: only Israelis experience pain, while Arabs are not evolved enough to grasp the concept of democracy, Israelis are the only true humans worthy of our sympathy. A point the Washington Post understands, stating, “We have no sympathy for the motives of the participants in the flotilla.” A second principle, Clinton explains, is that only Israel has “legitimate security needs,” whereas Palestinians’ “legitimate needs” are limited to “sustained humanitarian assistance and regular access to reconstruction materials.” Because Palestinians “are not sure what democracy means,” their needs do not include an end to the siege, basic human rights or a viable state. We should also assume Israel is a “peace-loving society” that offered to escort the flotilla of “naiveté and malice” to the “Ashdod Port and arrange for the delivery of their supplies to Gaza, after security checks, over land.” It was just trying to prevent “the flow of seaborne military supplies to Hamas,” the Israeli ambassador wrote in the New York Times. The New Republic reveals another conclusion: The incident involved “a ship of terrorists” attempting “to open an arms importation route to Gaza.” Once again, the Washington Post provides the only context we need to consider, “So far there’s been no indication the boats carried missiles or other arms for Hamas.” One could add that so far there’s been no indication the boats carried chemical, biological or nuclear weapons for Hamas. One can never be sure because Israel’s enemies are so sinister that Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer alone comprehends that “the point understood by the blockade-busting flotilla of useful

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idiots and terror sympathizers … is to deprive Israel of any legitimate form of self-defense.” Krauthammer deduces brilliantly, “The world is tired of these troublesome Jews, 6 million – that number again – hard by the Mediterranean, refusing every invitation to national suicide. For which they are relentlessly demonized, ghettoized and constrained from defending themselves, even as the more committed anti-Zionists – Iranian in particular – openly prepare a more final solution.” If you’ve been paying attention, you can see that if Israel let the flotilla deliver food and medicine to Gaza, it would inevitably result in a second Holocaust. Israel was only asking to search the flotilla’s cargo for banned “war material” such as coriander, ginger, nutmeg, dried fruit, fabric for clothing, nuts, musical instruments, chickens, donkeys, horses, fishing rods and newspapers. Reports about Israel’s years-long siege of Gaza – where “more than 60 percent of families do not have enough food to eat, there are daily electricity cuts and the water network is operating far below capacity,” or how Israel allowed in less than 25 trucks of supplies a day on average until recently whereas “Gaza requires a minimum of 400 trucks a day to meet basic nutritional needs” – are irrelevant. Sure, Israeli policy may be to “put the Palestinians on a diet,” fulfilling Army chief Gen. Rafeal Eitan’s longing to turn Arabs into “drugged ****roaches in a bottle,” but the “humanitarian situation in Gaza is good and stable” and people there dine out on “beef stroganoff and cream of spinach soup.” Providing added confirmation, the New York Times observes that in Gaza “daily life, while troubled, often has the staggering quality of the very ordinary,” a quality that would have applied to Soviet gulags, Japanese internment camps, the Warsaw Ghetto, South Africa’s Bantustans and South Vietnam’s strategic hamlets. Still, we should not lose sight of the fact that the Palestinians of Gaza are such a primitive species that Israel has determined they need only 100 items on a “complex and ever-changing list of goods” for a “good and stable” life as opposed to the 4,000 types of goods allowed in before the severe blockade imposed in June 2007 or the 10,00015,000 items that can be found in a large Israeli supermarket. In any case, “concern for Gaza and Israel’s blockade is so out of balance,” counsels Thomas Friedman, who excels in his role as the third grader explaining how the world works at the second-grade lunch table. He suggests we focus concern instead on the bombings of mosques of an Islamic sect in Pakistan, the killings of activists in Iran and the trashing of a children’s summer camp in Gaza. But noble-minded Israel still shows concern. Just as it is always seeking peace with hostile Arab neighbors bent on annihilating it, Israel was willing to deliver supplies that are in abundance in Gaza in spite of the “Gazan terrorists [in charge] who proclaim their goal is to destroy Israel.” So “if anyone goes without food, shelter or medicine,

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that is by the choice of the Hamas government.” “The likely outcome” will be that the people of Gaza “will be abandoned. … to be ruled by the ruthless and undemocratic Hamas regime without the international community's protests or objections.” Therefore, we can see how the aid flotilla will make things worse for the people of Gaza – whom Israel is trying to help – by leaving them in the hands of the “ruthless” terrorists. It’s another example of how Israel is victimized, like when it selflessly disengaged from Gaza in 2005. But Israel’s generosity, including firing more than 7,700 artillery shells into northern Gaza in less than a year after its withdrawal, was met with Hamas rockets, which is why one senior Israeli official had to threaten Palestinians with a “bigger shoah.” Some claim “Israel remains the occupying Power as technological developments have made it possible for Israel to assert control over the people of Gaza without a permanent military presence,” but this is the view of terrorist sympathizers like former U. N. Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories John Dugard. Then there are “Hamas sympathizers” who ask why, if Israel disengaged from Gaza, does it still control its coast, airspace, borders, commerce, fuel, water and electricity; why have Israel and the United States rejected Palestinian and Arab offers of a two-state solution based on the 1967 borders for some 40 years; and why has Israel sabotaged virtually every ceasefire Fatah and Hamas have agreed to in recent years, even unilateral ones. These misperceptions persist because they fail to grasp the postulate that Israel only “responds” to attacks from the sub-human Arabs. Dugard and his ilk claim, “History is replete with examples of military occupation that have been resisted by violence – acts of terror,” and while “such acts cannot be justified, they must be understood as being a painful but inevitable consequence of colonialism, apartheid or occupation.” The Hamas apologists even include current Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak, who once said, “If I were a Palestinian, I would join a terror organization.” This talk should not lull us into seeing the Palestinians as victims because they do have rights. They “have the right to remain silent while Israel starves them, kills them and continues to violently colonize their land.” Now we can correctly perceive the confrontation between Israel and the “hateful terrorist sympathizer[s]”. Because the U.S. and U.K. understand the issue is Israel’s right to defend itself, the question we should be asking is how naïve, little Israel was outsmarted by “Islamists and their useful idiot fellow travelers,” who were responsible for and welcomed the bloodshed. The flotilla “aimed to provoke a confrontation” and was intended “‘to break’ Israel’s blockade of Gaza,” noted Leslie Gelb, the dean of the U.S. foreign policy establishment, echoing the line from Fox News to the Washington Post. The paper of record indicated that organizers wanted to provoke a “violent response from Israel,” agreeing with the Jerusalem Post, which stated the “‘peace militants’ … attacked the soldiers who boarded the ship with guns, iron bars and knives and led to the dire results they were looking for.” This fact did not escape the
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Obama White House, with one “senior” official saying, “the organizers of the flotilla were clearly seeking a confrontation – and tragically they got one.” Ever restrained, the Jerusalem Post connects the dots. Because the “peace militants … hatred towards Israel knows no bounds,” and “wanted to cause some damage, no matter the cost for them,” they are like suicide bombers because “the aim justifies the means.” If the lesson is still unclear, Max Boot, Leslie Gelb’s colleague on the Council of Foreign Relations, spells it out in the Wall Street Journal. The “blood was on the hand of the pro-Hamas activists” because “Israel, like the United States and other democratic nations, is at a severe disadvantage trying to combat a ruthless foe willing to sacrifice its own people to score propaganda points.” Boot may be too generous in calling the activists “pro-Hamas,” however. The Israeli ambassador reveals they are actually Hamas’ “sponsors [who] cower behind shipments of seemingly innocent aid.” Passengers may have included European legislators, U.S. diplomats, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate, Israelis, artists, historians, doctors, clergy and journalists from around the world. But Israel was not battling civilians on a “mission of mercy,” writes the great humanitarian Marty Peretz. In fact, the Turkish sponsor, the Humanitarian Relief Fund, “is said to have ties to Al Qaeda. Which would be logical since Al Qaeda is an ally of Hamas.” Furthermore, Peretz illuminates, Hamas is the “Gazan outpost of the global jihad” and “second cousin once-removed of Hezbollah.” Thus, in stopping the aid flotilla, Israel was really battling a branch of the devious global jihad that hates the West irrationally. (Hamas is also “an Iranian pawn,” which may seem confusing because Iran and Al Qaeda are fierce enemies, as are Hamas and Al Qaeda, but such are the complexities of the Middle East that only experts like Peretz can divine.) Prior to the deadly attack, there were eight previous attempts to deliver aid by sea, including ships that Israel chose not to confront and which delivered goods to Gaza without incident. This time, the Israeli navy spent “many weeks … preparing to meet the flotilla,” the military admitted three days before the raid that it planned to use violence, and the Israelis warned the captains of each ship while in international waters that “lethal force would be used if they persisted.” Despite all this, we learn from the Wall Street Journal, Israel “walked into a trap set by a flotilla of Hamas sympathizers;” from the New York Times, it “blundered” into a trap; from the L.A. Times, it “fell into a trap;” from the Financial Times, it “sail[ed] into a Turkish trap; and from the Guardian, it was “lure[d] … into a trap.” If it seems curious that prominent media all conclude that goldenhearted Israel was duped, such is the “blatant double standard” applied to the “small, isolated” nation that “is destined and compelled, like a puppet on a string, to react the way it did.” That double standard also requires that the Israeli ambassador, counsel generals, embassy officials, academics, novelists, and journalists, and their American supporters, be given a largely unchallenged platform
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in the mainstream media. The task at this point would appear to be disentangling what happened during the actual raid. For instance, why were the “outnumbered, under-equipped and incorrectly prepared commandos” – who also happen to be “the best trained and most effective in the world” – “taken off guard by a group of Arabicspeaking men”? Why has one journalist, Max Blumenthal, been able to force Israeli officials to admit they doctored photos and audio clips released after raid or show they falsely claimed five passengers were “active terror operatives”? Why have eyewitnesses on the Mavi Marmara said “live ammunition was fired before any Israeli soldier was on deck,” and “The Israeli navy fired on the ships five minutes before commandos descended from ropes that dangled from helicopters”? There are also the questions that Uri Avnery has compiled, such as why is Israel claiming Gaza’s territorial waters are part of Israel’s territorial waters when it has “separated” from it; why were five people on the Mavi Marmara shot in the back; “What is the source of the lie that the Turks called out ‘Go back to Auschwitz’”; and “Who invented the story that the activists had brought with them deadly weapons”? All these questions miss the point. Israel is still the victim, even if it’s a “self-inflicted wound,” so say the Times from New York to L.A. You see, Israel made the mistake of trying to justify its actions with evidence. It forgot that reality has a well-known terrorist bias. When the facts sympathize with Hamas, terrorists and drugged ****roaches, Israel needs to dispense with the facts. Because we know Israel is the eternal victim that is all we need to know. All that matters is how Israel says it perceives the situation. Arie (Lova) Eliav, one of the “granddaddies of the Israeli Left” and a founder of Labor Party, who died literally hours before the raid on the flotilla, put it best in an interview six years ago, saying, “We acted as they would have done to us.” While he was speaking about Israel’s founding war of aggression, the statement justifies every actual Israeli atrocity since 1947 and any future one. Since Israel is confronting “ruthless, indiscriminate animals” its response is only limited by the imagination. After all, according to the Obama administration, “the president has always said it will be much easier for Israel to make peace if Israel feels secure.” And how does Israel feel? “Israel has long seen itself as the Alamo, a fortress under the siege,” a former U.S. ambassador to Israel explains. The next time there is news about Israel killing activists, massacring children, bombing a refugee camp or perhaps obliterating an entire country, there is no need to pay attention to the facts. All you need to know is Israel, the eternal victim that says it will never feel secure, is just responding to some terrorist. And once the last ruthless animal is exterminated, there will be “peace.” Arun Gupta is a founding editor of The Indypendent newspaper. © 2010 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
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View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/147197/ __________________ "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world -- a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us... No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you." --Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear (2003) "Society had a crime problem, so it hired cops. Next thing society knew, it had a cop problem." --Tom Robbins
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Independent journalists dismantling Israel's hold on media narrative

Role of the Media Independent journalists dismantling Israel's hold on media narrative Abraham Greenhouse, Nora Barrows-Friedman, The Electronic Intifada, 15 June 2010
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------"The systematic attempt and very deliberate first priority for the Israeli soldiers as they came on the ships was to shut down the story, to confiscate all cameras, to shut down satellites, to smash the CCTV cameras that were on the Mavi Marmara, to make sure that nothing was going out. They were hellbent on controlling the story," commented Australian journalist Paul McGeough, one of the hundreds of activists and reporters who witnessed the deadly morning attack on the Gaza Freedom Flotilla on 31 May ("Framing the Narrative: Israeli Commandos Seize Videotape and Equipment from Journalists After Deadly Raid," Democracy Now, 9 June 2010). McGeough was one of at least 60 journalists aboard the flotilla who were detained and their footage confiscated. Within hours of the Gaza-bound aid flotilla being intercepted and besieged in international waters by Israeli commandos, who killed at least nine -- some at point-blank range -- aboard the Mavi Marmara, news of the bloody attack had spread across the globe. Rage, condemnation and calls for an international investigation followed.
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Meanwhile, Israel's campaign to spin the attack, distort the facts and quell an outraged public was already in full swing. Concurrently, activists and skeptical journalists began deconstructing the official story and assembling evidence to uncover the truth behind the violent deaths of activists on a humanitarian mission to the besieged Gaza Strip. From the time the Israeli military apparently jammed the flotilla's communications, and for the next 48 hours as survivors were held incommunicado, their cameras and potentially incriminating footage seized, Israel's account of the raid dominated international headlines. Central to Israel's media strategy was the rapid release of selected video and audio clips which, the government said, validated its claim that passengers had violently attempted to kill troops without provocation -- thereby forcing the soldiers to use live fire in selfdefense. However, the initially and most widely-distributed clips bore signs of heavy editing, including the obscuring or removal of time stamps. Although the clips apparently depicted passengers aboard the Mavi Marmara hitting Israeli troops with poles and other objects, the context of the images was completely unclear. It was impossible to determine at what point during the assault the clips had been filmed, raising questions about exactly which party had been acting in selfdefense. Al-Jazeera's Jamal Elshayyal, among others, corroborated accounts by other flotilla passengers, including Israeli Knesset member Hanin Zoabi, that the Israeli commandos had allegedly started firing before commandos began rappelling to the deck of the ship ("MK Zoabi: Israel wanted highest number of fatalities," YNet, 1 June 2010; "Kidnapped by Israel, forsaken by Britain," Al-Jazeera, 6 June 2010). These clips were quickly supplemented by footage put on YouTube, also heavily edited, which Israel said had been taken from the ship's security cameras and from the journalists whose equipment had been seized ("Flotilla Rioters Prepare Rods, Slingshots, Broken Bottles and Metal Objects to Attack IDF Soldiers," 2 June 2010). The Israeli military spokesperson's office also distributed numerous still images allegedly documenting fighting on the deck. After the commandeered flotilla ships were brought to the Israeli port of Ashdod and were unloaded, on 1 June the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) began distributing via the Flickr website photographs of objects it said were found aboard. Materials the MFA classified as "weapons"-- thus supposedly supporting its claim that activists had planned to conduct a "lynching" of Israeli troops -- were identifiable to the public as standard nautical equipment and kitchen utensils ("Weapons found on Mavi Marmara"). In addition, the ships were inspected multiple times prior to setting sail for Gaza, both by Turkish customs authorities and by an independent security firm, and had been found at both points to
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contain no weapons, according to a Free Gaza Movement press release ("Did Israel deliberately murder civilians aboard Freedom Flotilla?," 3 June 2010). Participants also say that all passengers were subject to thorough security checks before boarding, regardless of where they embarked. These photographs of "weapons" became the first flashpoint in the effort to analyze and expose inconsistencies in Israel's claims. Shortly after the release of the images which appeared on the MFA's official Flickr page on 1 June, commentators began calling attention to the fact that several of the images included digitally-encoded information indicating that they had been shot several years prior. The MFA responded to this by modifying the dates, and issuing a statement that one of its cameras had been incorrectly calibrated. While this claim can be neither confirmed nor disproved, the gaffe exposed the fact that Israel's rush to promote its version of events in the media was leading to significant mistakes and oversights. As surviving flotilla passengers began to be released and expelled following detention in Israel, the accounts they gave of events aboard the ships -- and on the Mavi Marmara in particular -- clearly diverged from the official Israeli narrative. Journalists aboard the ship, some of whom had been able to broadcast via satellite for a limited time during the assault, told interviewers that they had been singled out for attack by Israeli troops. "We had cameras round our necks and our press cards in our hands, but the soldiers kept aiming the lasers of their guns at our eyes in order to intimidate us," Turkish journalist Yuecel Velioglu of the AA news agency told Reporters Without Borders ("As Turkish photographer is buried, other journalists aboard flotilla speak out," 9 June 2010). In addition, much of the footage released by Israel (after heavy editing) was taken from journalists aboard the ship after their equipment had been confiscated. The move was strongly denounced by Israel's Foreign Press Association (FPA), which stated on 4 June: "the use of this material without permission from the relevant media organizations is a clear violation of journalistic ethics and unacceptable." Determined not to allow the Israeli government to continue dominating public discourse on the flotilla attack with its questionable version of events, independent journalists around the world analyzed and identified inconsistencies with the Israeli narrative. This work played a pivotal role in making a more complete and accurate picture of the events available to an English-speaking audience: the vast majority of English-language corporate media outlets, with the notable exception of Al-Jazeera English, simply restated Israeli claims and conducted little or no investigative work to ascertain their validity. Images and the elimination of context Another photograph released by the Israeli military spokesperson's office aroused additional controversy when it began appearing in news articles about the incident. The image, which featured an anonymous,
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bearded man holding a curved knife, was generally presented with a caption, also sourced from the Israeli military, claiming that the knifewielder was an activist aboard the Mavi Marmara photographed after Israeli troops boarded the ship. Ali Abunimah, co-founder of The Electronic Intifada, immediately noticed clear inconsistencies with the context of the photo, casting its veracity into doubt. Abunimah pointed out on his blog that behind the man, natural light could be seen streaming in through a window -despite the fact that the raid was conducted during pre-dawn hours. Additionally, the man was surrounded by photographers who seemed unusually calm for onlookers in the midst of a firefight ("Israeli propaganda photo in Haaretz of man with knife make no sense #FreedomFlotilla," 31 May 2010). Finally, a few days after the image first appeared, the image was re-used in a video montage, published on YouTube under the newly-registered handle "gazaflotilliatruth", but this time with less cropping. In the new version of the image, the bearded man can be seen to be sitting down, not standing -- again, an unusual physical position to display during a melee ("Gaza Flotillia The Love Boat," 2 June 2010). Investigative journalist Max Blumenthal reports that the Israeli military-sourced caption -- repeatedly used by media outlets such as the Israeli daily Haaretz -- indicated that the bearded man was holding the knife after the commandos boarded the ship ("Nailed Again: IDF Description of Suspicious Photo It Distributed Is Retracted," 8 June 2010). Following his query to the Israeli military spokesman's office, Haaretz "scrubbed its caption of the suspicious photo." Blumenthal adds that Haaretz "did not mention the retraction, probably assuming no one would notice. The retraction raises disturbing questions about the level of coordination between the IDF [Israeli army] and the Israeli media." Nor did they mention that the bearded man was Yemeni Minister of Parliament Mohammad al-Hazmi, who was displaying his ceremonial dagger -- an essential part of traditional Yemeni dress -- to "curious journalists and foreigners on the ship," as Blumenthal points out, obviously well before the attack. New accusations instantly dismantled As the accounts of surviving passengers began receiving increased attention in the mainstream Western press, Israel retaliated with a series of increasingly dire accusations to discredit them. The serious nature these accusations makes it difficult to understand why the Israeli government would have waited so long to issue them. As journalists began evaluating the new claims, they found Israel's supporting evidence to be flimsy and periodically even nonexistent. One such accusation, published in a 2 June MFA press release, was that 40 Mavi Marmara passengers had been identified as mercenaries in the employ of al-Qaeda ("Attackers of the IDF soldiers found to be Al Qaeda mercenaries," 2 June 2010). Later that day, US State Department spokesperson Philip Crowley said that his office could not

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validate Israel's story, and independent journalists on the ground in Tel Aviv promptly set out to investigate for themselves. Blumenthal and his colleague Lia Tarachansky were told bluntly by the Israeli army's press office that the military didn't "have any evidence" to support the MFA's contention. By the morning of 3 June, all references to al-Qaeda had been removed from the online version of the press release ("Under Scrutiny IDF Retracts Claims About Flotillas Al Qaeda Links"). More significantly, on 4 June, Israel released a YouTube clip which it claimed was an excerpt from radio communications between the Israeli navy and the Mavi Marmara. The clip included a voice telling the Israelis to "go back to Auschwitz," and another voice stating "We're helping Arabs go against the US," in response to Israeli statements that the vessel was "approaching an area which is under a naval blockade" ("Flotilla Ship to Israeli Navy: "We're Helping Arabs Go Against the US, Don't Forget 9/11 Guys," 4 June 2010). The latter statement was made in an accent resembling that of the American south, despite the fact that no one from that region was present aboard any of the ships. Numerous bloggers commented that the accents sounded as though they had been faked, and ridiculed the quality of the apparent forgery. One of the flotilla organizers, US citizen Huwaida Arraf, was astonished to find that the clip included her own voice as well -- even though she had not been aboard the Mavi Marmara, but was on a different vessel. Tel Aviv-based journalist and blogger Mya Guarnieri noted that Arraf told the Bethlehem-based Maan News Agency that the clip of her voice, saying "we have permission from the Gaza Port Authority to enter," seemed to have been excerpted from communications during a previous flotilla trip (there have been nine trips since 2008) ("Israel under fire for doctoring flotilla recordings," 5 June 2010). "When they radioed us [on this trip], we were still 100 miles away," Arraf remarked. Blumenthal called attention to the mysterious presence of Arraf and other discrepancies in the clip in an article he posted on 4 June. The following day, the MFA issued a statement admitting that the clip had been substantially edited ("Clarification/Correction Regarding Audio Transmission Between Israeli Navy and Flotilla on 31 May 2010," 5 June 2010). However, the clip including the "Auschwitz" statement remains on the MFA website in a new "unedited" version of the alleged transmission. High-tech sleuthing uncovers a web of deceit Perhaps most damaging to the credibility of Israeli accounts was a map published by Ali Abunimah on his blog and which was produced by using archived transmissions of Automatic Identification System (AIS) data to plot the position of the Mavi Marmara as it sailed on the morning of the raid ("Did Israel press on with bloody attack on Mavi Marmara even as ship fled at full-speed?," 7 June 2010). Using the map, Abunimah was able to determine the location and heading of the

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ship as it broadcast updates on its status. The map also plotted the position of the Mavi Marmara at the exact points when surveillance camera footage from the ship -- which Israel had released without obscured time stamps -- was apparently recorded. According to AIS data, the Mavi Marmara had been heading south -parallel to the Israeli coast and more than 80 miles from the shore -until approximately 4:35am local time. At this point, the ship abruptly turned west, heading away from the Gaza coast. The attack, which surviving passengers say began shortly after 4:00am, was reported to Greek activists in direct communication with the ship at some point before 4:51am. However, the time stamp seen in the released security camera footage and described in a caption as being the point at which "rioters initiate confrontation with Israeli soldiers," indicates that the clip was filmed at 5:03am. This is reinforced by the fact that the sea is apparently lit by natural light, which would not have been possible an hour earlier. This evidence directly contradicts Israeli claims regarding the sequence and timing of events, and throws its overarching narrative into doubt. While the vast majority of footage of the raid has been seized by Israel, along the flotilla's Voyage Data Recorders (VDRs, the nautical equivalent of aircraft's "black boxes"), activists have been diligently archiving all available evidence to prevent Israel from altering or destroying it. As more time stamped data becomes available, it will be aggregated by activists and plotted on mapping applications not only to help reveal what happened aboard the Mavi Marmara, but guarantee a greater level of accountability when Israel responds to future flotillas. A significant amount of data is already emerging. Several of the survivors managed to conceal memory cards from their Israeli captors, the contents of which they proceeded to make available to journalists upon their return home. Some photos, published in the Turkish newspaper HaberTurk, depict passengers administering medical care to wounded Israeli soldiers and even protecting them from being photographed -- which seemed to contradict Israel's claims that passengers were intent on a premeditated "lynching" of the Israeli commandoes ("•srail'den kaç 1r 1lan foto•raflar," 4 June 2010). Recently-released video clips from flotilla survivors show Israeli soldiers kicking, beating and shooting passengers, including footage which Turkey's Cihan News Agency says depicts the close-range killing of Furkan Dogan, a 19-year-old US citizen, with automatic weaponry ("Israeli Soldiers Murdering Man Identified as Furkan Dogan," 10 June 2010). An autopsy determined that Dogan was shot five times, including once in the back and twice in the head from almost pointblank range. Other footage shows helicopters hovering above the flotilla, with apparent muzzle flashes and sounds of gunfire, supporting the survivors' contention that commandos were already firing before boarding the vessels, thus prompting the limited resistance demonstrated by terrified passengers.

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International vs. internal investigations The Israeli government continues to reject the idea of an international investigation in favor of pursuing its own. On 5 June, the United Nation's Secretary General proposed an international panel to examine the killing of nine flotilla passengers, but Israel's ambassador to the US, Michael Oren, announced on FOX News the next day that Israel would refuse "to be investigated by any international board" ("Transcript: Amb. Michael Oren on 'FNS'," 7 June 2010). Those who demand an international probe have good reason to doubt Israel's ability to investigate itself. According to Human Rights Watch (HRW), which cited statistics from the Israeli human rights organization Yesh Din, between 2000 and 2008, "Israeli soldiers in the Occupied Palestinian Territories killed more than 2,000 Palestinian civilians not involved in combat. Of 1,246 criminal investigations initiated during the same period into suspected offenses of all kinds by soldiers against Palestinian civilians, only 6 percent (78 cases) resulted in indictments. Only 13 of those indictments charged soldiers with killing civilians. As of September 2008, five soldiers had been convicted for the deaths of four civilians" ("Why No Justice in Gaza? Israel Is Different, and so ...," 1 October 2009). HRW found a similar pattern in cases stemming from Israel's infamous three-week attack on Gaza beginning on 27 December 2008. The invasion, which caused the deaths of more than 1,400 Palestinians, resulted in only one criminal conviction -- for the theft of a credit card belonging to a Palestinian family after soldiers looted their home. Regarding the flotilla attack, some sources in the Israeli government have indicated that they would consider permitting one or more international "observers" to be included in their internal investigation. Governments around the world have insisted that this is not an acceptable alternative to a genuine international investigation. However, even a completely impartial group charged with investigating the raid would be analyzing "evidence" (such as seized footage and VDRs) that had been under the full control of the Israeli military since the time of the assault. Accountability and independent journalism With little hope for a formal investigation with any degree of credibility, independent journalists around the world have recognized the need to mount their own. The work of independent journalists is achieving a growing level of influence in the mainstream. And the story of the Mavi Marmara killings, despite the unwillingness of many professional reporters to publicly challenge Israel's version of events, is no exception. "This is an issue where, in the flotilla incident, the legal and moral circumstances of Israeli abuse were so flagrant and visible that independent media have a greater opportunity of being heard," said Richard Falk, international law expert and United Nations Special Rapporteur for Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Should the UN or another impartial body mount an international probe,
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it would "benefit greatly from [independent media's] active undertaking to reinforce whatever investigation took place," Falk commented for this story. Independent journalists have already succeeded in cracking the wall of Israel's narrative in the corporate media. For nearly an hour on the morning of 5 June, most mainstream reports about the status of the delayed fourth ship in the flotilla that had included the Mavi Marmara relied almost exclusively on information gleaned from messages shared between activists and independent journalists via Twitter. The work of Abunimah and Blumenthal in debunking much of the Israeli narrative was cited extensively in a post by The New York Times blogger Robert Mackey ("Photographs of Battered Israeli Commandos Show New Side of Raid," 7 June 2010). On 10 June, a United Nations press conference was devoted to presenting uncensored footage of the assault captured by filmmaker Iara Lee, which promises to make global headlines with countless images contradicting the Israeli version of events. Paul Larudee, a San Francisco Bay Area-based activist who participated in the flotilla and endured a severe beating which required him to him to be hospitalized, believes that the success of independent journalists in unraveling Israel's disjointed narrative has had a transformative effect on the popular consciousness. "Something's happening here. Perceptions begin to move," Larudee said. "People are getting it -- they understand that a humanitarian aid convoy was attacked, and the passengers were defending themselves, despite the spin that Israel is creating in the media. Israel is not going to be able to keep this up much longer. It's all starting to crumble." Abraham Greenhouse is founder of the Palestine Freedom Project (palestinefreedom.org), which specializes in studying and providing support for the work of grassroots Palestine solidarity activists worldwide. Nora Barrows-Friedman is an award-winning independent journalist, writing for The Electronic Intifada, Inter Press Service, Truthout and other outlets. She regularly reports from Palestine, where she also runs media workshops for youth in the Dheisheh refugee camp in the occupied West Bank. __________________ "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world -- a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us... No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you." --Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear (2003) "Society had a crime problem, so it hired cops. Next thing society

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Today is, apparently, "Thank a Cop Day." As the title of this post suggests, I can think of a better way for us to show our "appreciation" for these tax suck holes. If you don't care to show your "appreciation" in such a crude, confrontational manner, here's an alternative way of "thanking" a cop: Do some research and see if you can find a cop in your area who has "ratted" on the Fat Blue Line (rare as a virgin in a porn film, I know, but they're out there somewhere) and is under fullscale institutional assault by the bullies in blue. Come to his or her defense. Make a donation to cover his or her legal fees, if he or she has any. Do something to help his or her family out if

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they have one. In other words, stand up for this RARE cop who is trying to do the right thing and restore a modicum of respect to a profession that has long since lost its worthiness of any. THAT, IMO, is the best way to "thank" a cop. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the everaccumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. — W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)
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National "Flip a Cop The Bird" Day Today is, apparently, "Thank a Cop Day." As the title of this post suggests, I can think of a better way for us to show our "appreciation" for these tax suck holes.
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If you don't care to show your "appreciation" in such a crude, confrontational manner, here's an alternative way of "thanking" a cop: Do some research and see if you can find a cop in your area who has "ratted" on the Fat Blue Line (rare as a virgin in a porn film, I know, but they're out there somewhere) and is under full-scale institutional assault by the bullies in blue. Come to his or her defense. Make a donation to cover his or her legal fees, if he or she has any. Do something to help his or her family out if they have one. In other words, stand up for this RARE cop who is trying to do the right thing and restore a modicum of respect to a profession that has long since lost its worthiness of any. THAT, IMO, is the best way to "thank" a cop.

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Now I would be the last one to suggest to a group of ne'er-do-well juvenile delinquents that their idea to write "Tax Suck-Hole" or "Copscum Pedophile" in large, industrial strength bleach letters on a copscum's lawn should be a responsible act. I wouldnt tell these young hoodlums that their idea to squirt superglue into the doorlocks of a copscum's car was a good one either. I DO think that liberranter's idea to support the patriotic acts of those who reveal the lawbreaking and corruption among their community's copscum is a sound one. Those who are willing to reveal the illegal acts of copscum are the true police "heroes" in this country--or in any other totalitarian police state. They really do deserve our money and support. __________________ "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world -a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us... No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you." --Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear (2003) "Society had a crime problem, so it hired cops. Next thing society knew, it had a cop problem." --Tom Robbins
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Maybe get your local Mom-and-Pop donut shop to donate five dozen "filled" donuts that are "filled" with chocolate Ex-Lax[Tm] cream? On a related note, my grandson's Cub Scout den was given the project the other night at their weekly den meeting of writing "Thank You" notes to the local pigs. A pointless exercise at best, since most of the recipients of these "thank you notes" can't read on the level that these first graders write. While the den mother planned on delivering these notes to one of the local pigpens today (foolish soul, this woman, VOLUNTARILY walking into one of these dens of rapist bullies alone), she did give the boys the option of "taking the notes home to finish them." My grandson did exactly that: "finishing" his note by tossing it into the kitchen trash can where it belonged.

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This is just one incident of several I've encountered over the last nine months demonstrating that the scouts, once an organization that actually instilled pride and accomplishment in young boys, has, like most of the rest of this nation's "youth organizations", degenerated into a state-worshiping cult. My sincere hope is that my grandson will lose interest in it sooner rather than later; I can think of much better ways for him to develop than to do so amongst a pastle of mindless, authorityworshiping dolts (and adolts who "lead" them). __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the everaccumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. — W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)
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This: http://tlc.discovery.com/tv/police-...aricopa-county/ I can't even stomach having to look at the 10-second ads for this latest "reality" pig propaganda show that is polluting the cable channels (in the mode of the [canceled, dare we hope?] "She-swine of Broward County").
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Can someone tell me, without getting into graphic detail, whether this is as god-awful as, or perhaps worse than, the travesty that it's an obvious knock-off of? Just curious...

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OpEdNews Original Content at http://www.opednews.com/articles/Te...091130433.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------November 30, 2009 Teflon Dick: How Cheney Uses Media For Protection By Linda Milazzo On January 29, 2001, just nine days after taking office, Dick Cheney created The National Energy Policy Development Group, commonly
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known as the Cheney Energy Task Force. The task force was charged with the critically important task of designing America's national energy policy. Although the group's efforts would directly impact the entire nation, the new Vice President refused to divulge the names of its members or their specific activities, claiming the Executive Branch's right to confidentiality. To challenge Cheney's claims of privacy and acquire the names and activities of the task force members, the Sierra Club and Judicial Watch filed Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuits, but the courts denied their initial requests and subsequent appeals. On July 18, 2007, the Washington Post revealed the names of members of the task force, which included executives of major conglomerates Enron, Exxon, ConocoPhillips, Chevron, the National Mining Association, and more. Cheney's refusal to divulge the identities of the members of his task force was the earliest indication of the absolute power America's 46th Vice President presumed. His refusal demonstrated the covert nature of his Vice Presidency and his belief that transparency was not a requirement of the Executive Branch. The policies and practices predicated upon Cheney's presumption of confidentiality remained constant for the full eight years of his Vice Presidency. They ushered in the era of the Bush/Cheney Imperial Presidency that exercised sweeping authority, bypassed established law, and caused widespread concern amongst scholars and average citizens for the future of our democracy. On August 27, 2004, future Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman wrote the following criticism of Mr. Cheney's pursuit of privacy and power: "Mr. Cheney's determination to keep his secrets probably reflects more than an effort to avoid bad publicity. It's also a matter of principle, based on the administration's deep belief that it has the right to act as it pleases, and that the public has no right to know what it's doing. As Linda Greenhouse recently pointed out in The New York Times, the legal arguments the administration is making for the secrecy of the energy task force are "strikingly similar" to those it makes for its right to detain, without trial, anyone it deems an enemy combatant. In both cases, as Ms. Greenhouse puts it, the administration has put forward "a vision of presidential power . . . as far-reaching as any the court has seen." From January of 2001 right through today, Dick Cheney has committed unconstrained, and as yet unprosecuted offenses, that include circumventing the Constitution, sanctioning unlawful torture, contributing to the outing of a CIA agent, concealing information from Congress, and lying the nation into war. The tragedy of Cheney's unrestrained lawlessness is further compounded by his unprecedented authority to preside over economic and foreign policies so calamitous that they drove this nation financially, militarily and morally into the ground. Despite his constant international and domestic catastrophes,

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for his first six years in office Cheney's crimes were supported by an ideological Republican legislative majority and a weak Democratic minority, both of whom succumbed to Bush and Cheney's Unitary Executive. After the 2006 election, when Democrats took control of both Houses, Speaker Nancy Pelosi refused to abide by her Constitutional duty to investigate Bush and Cheney's crimes. Irrespective of public clamor for backbone and accountability, the Democratic majority rolled over for Bush and Cheney. They financed their plunder and allowed America to decay from within. Structural chasms in bridges, roadways, pipelines, and schools were matched by ideological chasms over religion, economics, politics and war. As Americans battled each other, Bush and Cheney bombed and tortured on, comforted by knowing there would be no repercussion. For a full eight years, they wreaked havoc on America and the world, and today, post administration, both men remain free. Bush and Cheney understand that they're vulnerable to prosecution. Bush, for the most part, has stayed out of the limelight, though he's recently become more visible, perhaps inspired by Cheney's success at using THE BIG TOOL - the media - for protection. Since the beginning of the Obama presidency, Cheney has used the media full on. He's commandeered its major outlets, newspapers, cable and network TV, and the most caustic outlet of all, talk radio, to attack the very sources he knows could bring him down - the President and Attorney General. Cheney's best defense is his mass media offense and he knows exactly how to use it. Dick Cheney has used the complicit American media, his most powerful anti-prosecution tool, to near Machiavellian perfection. He understands implicitly that American media employs no ethical standards that would prevent it from promoting him despite the atrocities he has caused. Regardless of his catastrophic failures, the shameless complicit media freely provides Cheney the platform to attack the President and Attorney General and advance his standing as their fiercest political critic. Because of this granted visibility to pummel Obama and Holder, Cheney is more able to establish himself as a victim of partisanship should Obama and Holder try to charge him for his crimes. Through widely broadcast speeches, like the one below of Cheney bashing Obama on Afghanistan, the complicit media is helping to immunize Cheney - and it's doing so knowingly. It's baiting for ratings and justice be damned!

Cheney's transparent media offensive places him squarely, frequently and loudly in the public eye attacking Obama and Holder, and setting the stage for an adversarial relationship from which he can claim that he's their target. He's banking on the theory of American exceptionalism to keep his contrived "adversaries" from taking him down. American exceptionalism implies that America as a nation is superior to the rest of the world. In lesser nations, political rivals are targeted and imprisoned. Exceptionalism presumes that superior
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America, with its highly evolved democracy, would never do the same. Exceptionalism presumes that political targeting only happens in undeveloped and undemocratic nations led by unsavory leaders; Mugabe of Zimbabwe, Museveni of Uganda, Nkrumah of Ghana, Putin of Russia, have all imprisoned their opponents. Cheney's calculus has determined that American exceptionalism would prevent America's leaders from publicly engaging in tactics they condemn - like imprisoning political opponents. Last week, Cheney's Machiavellian strategy reached a whole new level when his daughter Liz raised his status from political adversary to political opponent by floating the prospect of candidate Cheney in 2012. Brilliant! Behold Dick's calculating progeny doing his bidding on Fox TV: What better protection from legal worries than planting the notion of a presidential run, elevating Cheney from harsh critic to political rival. It's the epitome of legal immunity in exceptionalist USA. Of course, there's little probability that Cheney would actually run. His approval ratings are dismal and he battles for breath whenever he speaks. But this is media manipulation - not political reality. Truth rarely imposes itself on TV. Then there's the blogosphere, and the Keep America Safe website, created by scions Liz Cheney and Bill Kristol to propagandize for Cheney. The Cheney cabal is in full media combat when it comes to protecting Dick Cheney. Notice the front page attack on Attorney General Holder - though Cheney's attacked Holder for a while. On August 30th on Fox News, Cheney characterized AG Holder's decision to conduct a review of CIA interrogations as 'politically motivated,' laying the groundwork for Cheney's future claim of partisan targeting should the AG investigate him. Recognizing that Cheney and his "BFF" Donald Rumsfeld are thought to have instigated and sanctioned the interrogations, there is strong indication that CIA investigations would lead the AG directly to Dick Cheney. Here's Cheney's politicization of Holder's decision, broadcast on Fox TV: Could the Cheney media strategy be any more obvious than it is in this video? The saddest and perhaps most despicable irony in this symbiotic relationship between Cheney and the all encompassing media is the manner in which the media permits itself to be the tool to thwart justice. I recognize that in this article I've reproduced the messages Dick Cheney wants to send. But I've done so in the context of revealing Cheney's manipulation. It's my sincere hope that all media stop providing Cheney the wherewithal to immunize himself from prosecution. But sadly that won't happen. American media thrives on the point-counterpoint model, and Cheney has fashioned his offense perfectly to fit it.

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Author's Bio: Linda Milazzo is a Managing Editor at OpedNews. She's a Los Angeles based writer, educator and activist. Since 1974, she has divided her time between the entertainment industry, government organizations & community development projects and educational programs. Linda began her writing career over 30 years ago, starting out in advertising and promotions. From 1976 to 1989, she operated an independent public relations service providing specialty writing for individual and corporate clients. Since 2003, Linda has focused on political writing. Her essays, letters and commentaries have appeared in domestic and international journals, newspapers and magazines. She's an educator and creator of a writers' program she's taught privately and in public schools. She currently facilitates an advocacy writing workshop and is developing an advocacy writing program to be implemented in public and private educational institutions and in community based organizations. Linda is a frequent contributor to the HuffingtonPost, Alternet, MediaChannel, Commondreams, LAProgressive, AfterDowningStreet, SmirkingChimp, Buzzflash, PDAmerica, AtlanticFreePress and to other respected news and opinion websites. Follow Linda on Twitter at: http://twitter.com/LindaMilazzo __________________ "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world -- a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us... No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you." --Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear (2003) "Society had a crime problem, so it hired cops. Next thing society knew, it had a cop problem." --Tom Robbins
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Our ancestors granted small liberties and such for those in these positions. IIRC, they gave us the power/right to remove them! WE have the power, just haven't organized enough to use it!!!! __________________ I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. ~Robert A. Heinlein
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"Teflon Dick?" Isn't that what Rome-on-the-Potomac is using to "stick it to" us law-abiding citizens? __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the ever-accumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. — W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)
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There ARE some laws police terrorists cannot abuse or get out of.........the laws of physics.
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Top 10 law enforcement myths by: NICOLE MARSHALL World Staff Writer Sunday, August 30, 2009 8/30/2009 3:32:29 AM Blame it on Hollywood. Police dramas and movies perpetuate many myths and
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misconceptions about the jobs law officers do, the officers themselves will gladly tell you. Here's the real deal on some of the most common myths they encounter countless times in their careers: 1. This isn't Hazzard County Law officers don't have to stop at the city, county or state line when they are in pursuit. The law of "hot or fresh pursuits" allows law officers to chase a suspect into a neighboring jurisdiction, said Tulsa Police Capt. Travis Yates, a nationally recognized police driving instructor. "Just because the pursuit happens to cross over into another jurisdiction, it does not have to stop like in the 'Dukes of Hazzard,' " Yates said. "It may work in Hazzard County, but it does not work in real life." It's the policy of the Tulsa Police Department to have a supervisor monitor pursuits on the police radio. The policy also requires that the supervisor give the pursuing officers permission to leave the city, but that is not required by law. "The reason for that policy is simple: When you cross into other jurisdictions, that brings other departments into the mix, and you don't want to do that flippantly," Yates said. Police also encounter people who mistakenly think that if they make it home, they can't be arrested. "It happens all the time that someone drives home, runs to their house, and they think, 'Now you can't get me,' " Yates said. "But, obviously, we can go get that individual." 2. Don't put that in your mouth Putting gum or mouthwash or even pennies or batteries in your mouth won't help you beat a breath test for alcohol, despite rumors to the contrary, Officer Jason Willingham said. Plus, things like mouthwash and breath spray can contain alcohol and could increase your residual alcohol level. Police are trained to check a suspect's mouth and then wait 15 minutes before administering a breath test to ensure that the results are not effected. "It is not uncommon for people to play cat-and-mouse games when it comes time for the test," Willingham said. "I have seen muscle-bound guys and in-shape
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runners act like they can't get enough lung capacity to blow on the tube. "Another thing that surprises me is the number of people who think they are going to get out of the test by acting like they passed out. Then they have lost the opportunity to pass the test, and we place them under arrest, anyway, based on the observation that they are acting drunk." 3. You have the right to remain silent Cops shows and movies perpetuate the myth that officers have to read suspects "their rights" every time they make an arrest. And every officer has heard suspects claim that they should be set free if the handcuffs go on without that recitation, like some sort of game of Simons Says. But the Tulsa Police Department's legal adviser, Phil Cozzoni, explains that the Miranda warning is necessary only in certain cases. "If someone is in custody but the police don't have to talk to them, they don't have to read them their rights," Cozzoni said. And if an officer wants to interrogate someone who is not in custody — and a reasonable person realizes that he or she is free to walk away — the officer does not have to read the person his or her rights. But if a person is in custody and being questioned, then Miranda kicks in, Cozzoni said. When someone is in custody and blurts out something that might be relevant to a crime, those statements are considered voluntary, since the person was not being questioned, he said. 4. You get one phone call from jail There may have been a time when the county sheriff tossed a newly booked inmate a dime and said, "You've got one call" — but not as long as Tulsa County Undersheriff Brian Edwards has been in law enforcement. "I think that comes from old movies and televisions shows," he said. The Tulsa Jail's booking area has two phones, and inmates can make free phone calls to arrange their release from jail, he said. If they are combative,

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however, they are placed in cells and do not have the privilege of using the phone, Edwards said. Once they calm down, they can make their calls. Inmates also get to make a call when they have a status change, and they can make collect calls from the cell pods where they are assigned after being booked. Edwards said jail standards are different in other jurisdictions and have changed over the years. "When I first started in my career in 1981, we had a phone log, and they could make two complete calls upon intake," Edwards said. "And on the weekends, if they were good, they would get a three-minute phone call.'' 5. Slipping by under the radar gun Drivers with the need for speed have tried putting foil in their bumpers or rocks in their hubcaps and hanging compact discs or chains from their rearview mirrors to try to thwart police radar guns. But Traffic Safety Officer Craig Murray, who teaches rookies how to use a police radar, said that's just a waste of time. The radar guns work on the Doppler principle and strike moving objects like a sound wave. "Hanging chains, small metal objects, even furiously honking their horn. We tell the rookies that these are some of the wives' tales that some people think can defeat radar," Murray said. However, Murray said, heavy rain can have a distortion effect, so police don't typically use radar guns in rainstorms. And, yes, police are aware of the things motorists do to blow the cover of an officer working radar. "When people flash their headlights to warn other drivers we are out there, we call that the 'Paul Revere Syndrome.'" Murray said. 6. One more time..."CSI" is a TELEVISION SHOW The CBS police drama is like a thorn in the side of every detective, perpetuating unrealistic expectations and myths about what it takes to close a case. "People think you can get DNA in an hour, and there are certain things we can get DNA off and certain
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things we can't," said Cpl. Gene Watkins of the Tulsa Police Department's Crime Scene Unit. Another common misconception is that police obtain fingerprints at every scene. However, there are complications to getting a good set of prints. "People don't realize...they think we can get it off any surface. In reality, it is very hard to get a print off something," Watkins said. And at many scenes, there may be a variety of fingerprints from a large number of sources. 7. There is no such thing as a warning shot Tulsa Police Rangemaster Sgt. Mike Eckert said Hollywood has done a disservice to police by perpetuating the use of warning shots and shooting guns out of a suspect's hands. "The biggest reason that we don't believe in the theory of warning shots is that we don't shoot to scare somebody, and that is basically what a warning shot is. If we are going to resort to deadly force, that is because we are trying to save our life or the life of another, whether it be a citizen or another officer. "A gunshot is strictly the highest level of force that we can possibly resort to, and that is meant to do one thing, and that is to stop the threat, not to scare somebody into submission," Eckert said. Similarly, the claims that police should shoot to wound a suspect are unrealistic. "The reality is that a well-placed shot is extremely difficult to do, and it becomes even more difficult when under the tremendous amount of stress that an officer finds himself in when he has to resort to deadly force," Eckert said. "It is not a responsibility that we take lightly. It is strictly a life-and-death kind of scenario, and when you are faced with that reality, shooting a smaller target is not practical," he said. "We shoot for the biggest part of the body on the person that we can see, and if that happens to be the center of mass — the chest of the suspect — then that is what we are going to shoot at." 8. Sometimes a shoe is just a shoe While working in the Tulsa Police Department's Gang
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Unit, Officer Leland Ashley frequently took calls from people who feared that gangs had infiltrated their neighborhoods because they saw a telltale sign: tiedtogether shoes hanging on telephone lines. "That is a myth," said Ashley, adding that "we also used to hear that people thought it meant that a gang member has died." Ashley said that when he was in the military, it was a tradition among soldiers to throw their boots over power lines when they were leaving their unit and going home or transferring to another location. Along those same lines, urban graffiti doesn't necessarily mean gangs are in the area. "There is some graffiti that is specific to gangs, but some of it is done by taggers," Ashley said. "In Tulsa, we really don't see that as much as they do in places like L.A. and Chicago. 9. Isn't that entrapment? There is a common misconception that undercover officers have to fess up when asked, "Are you a cop?" But Tulsa County Chief Deputy George Haralson, who did many undercover investigations while working 12 years in the Tulsa Police Department's Special Investigation Division, said that's not the case. "If you are in a covert investigation, you can be less than honest as to what you do for a living," he said. When Haralson worked undercover, police did stings at bars and clubs while investigating liquor-by-the-drink violations. The question, "Are you a cop?" came up quite a bit, he said. It's a common query in narcotics and prostitution busts, too. "Entrapment is if you are not already predisposed to commit the crime and you are influenced to do it," Haralson said. Undercover officers even take extra effort to prove that they are not police when asked. Haralson said that in his day, they had work shirts and business cards made for a phony business called Diversified Industrial Services, using SID — the initials of the police division — backward. "When they would ask what that was, we would say, 'We are diversified. We do just about anything related to industrial services.' "

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10. Red means stop. Green means go. Yellow means go faster? Not so fast, said Cpl. Mike Fitzgerald of the Tulsa Police Department's Riverside Division traffic enforcement unit. Police can issue a motorist a $150 ticket for improperly crossing an intersection while facing a yellow light. The tickets are discretionary for the officers, and most of them are issued when the motorist would have had plenty of time to stop or clearly speeded up to try to beat a red light. Fitzgerald said he takes into consideration the driver's proximity to the intersection when the light turns yellow. "If they enter on yellow and it turns red before they get out, that is a red-light violation," Fitzgerald said. The fine for running a red light is $200.

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Most important myth

This article is spot on, Vigilance! The only thing I have to criticize is that Number 1 should always be: 1. KOPSKUM ALWAYS LIE. NEVER BELIEVE ANYTHING FROM THE ORAL CAVITY OF A KOPSKUM. FIND A RELIABLE SOURCE INSTEAD.
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__________________ "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world -a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us... No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you." --Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear (2003) "Society had a crime problem, so it hired cops. Next thing society knew, it had a cop problem."

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10. Red means stop. Green means go. Yellow means go faster? Not so fast, said Cpl. Mike Fitzgerald of the Tulsa Police Department's Riverside Division traffic enforcement unit. Police can issue a motorist a $150 ticket for improperly crossing an intersection while facing a yellow light. The tickets are discretionary for the officers, and most of them are issued when the motorist would have had plenty of time to stop or clearly speeded up to try to beat a red light. Fitzgerald said he takes into consideration the driver's proximity to the intersection when the light turns yellow. "If they enter on yellow and it turns red before they get out, that is a red-light violation," Fitzgerald said. The fine for running a red light is $200.

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BULL$HIT Its NOT illegal to enter an intersection when the light is yellow. Its only illegal when the light is RED!! If it turns red when you are inside it you have not violated the law. __________________
Mr Officer, The US Constitution is NOT just a formality, or something to sidestep! When your butt is on the line the first thing you do is scream about “due process” and the “rule of law”, how about extending this to the general public! "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting different results." Members of the NCIS (Narcotics Criminal Investigation and Suppression team) that work in Stephens, Habersham and Rabun Counties in North East Georgia are murderers! They killed a man in cold blood!! DO NOT talk to cops, they are NOT your friend, and NOTHING good can come from it. You have the right to stay silent, DO IT!

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Originally posted by Night Raven The only thing I have to criticize is that Number 1 should always be: 1. KOPSKUM ALWAYS LIE. NEVER BELIEVE ANYTHING FROM THE ORAL CAVITY OF A KOPSKUM. FIND A RELIABLE SOURCE INSTEAD.

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Exactly, and since these "top ten" originated from the mouths/ pens of kopskum, I have to wonder just how true (and selfserving) they are. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the everaccumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. — W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)
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Sheriff issues himself a ticket for an unsafe lane change Published: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 | 1:02 PM ET http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Oddities/070410/K041006AU.html GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) - Brown County sheriff Dennis Kocken didn't have to write himself a ticket. But he says it was the right thing to do. "As sheriff, I'm held to the highest standard in law enforcement. How can I hold officers accountable if I don't hold myself accountable?" he said. "I'm satisfied I'm doing the right thing." Kocken issued himself a ticket March 27 for an unsafe lane

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change, three weeks after he had rear-ended a suspected speeder after that driver slowed to turn. Neither the deputy who completed the accident report nor the Brown County district attorney's office felt that Kocken deserved a citation. "But it kept bothering me," said Kocken. "Finally I decided to write myself a ticket. I felt it was the right thing to do." The ticket carries a $160.80 fine that Kocken said he fully intends to pay. The 52-year-old sheriff told investigators he was trailing a vehicle to determine its speed when he had to swerve to avoid a snowblower wheel in his lane. He moved into the other driver's lane and hit the car when the driver slowed. The ticket marks the second citation in seven months that a state law enforcement officer assessed to himself. In September, Chief Dick Knoebel of the Kewaskum police department wrote himself a $235 ticket for passing a stopped school bus. ------------See also: http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show... &threadid=18777 __________________
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I'll consider bowing down in reverential awe of these losers on the day that one of them not only tickets himself, but has his fellow thugscum seize his vehicle, mace him, beat the shit out of him, and throw him into the slammer, all for a minor infraction, after which he appears in public to state that he deserves every minute and ounce of his treatment and that he waives all of his rights to due process. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the everaccumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. — W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)
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Originally posted by GC505 Neither the deputy who completed the accident report nor the Brown County district attorney's office felt that Kocken deserved a citation.

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Well that's a big shock __________________
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scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing. Make them intelligent, and they will be vigilant; give them the means of detecting the wrong, and they will apply the remedy.” — Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837 Report this post to a moderator |

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lol.
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I have actually met this guy in real life (I am from Green Bay, WI) and he is on a severe ego trip. At first meeting, he played nice so you thought he was a "good cop on your side" but soon after talking to him he comes off as a very fake person, only hiding who he really is....this doesnt surprise me at all.... __________________ "People should not fear their government, governments should fear their people."
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US claims success in war on drugs The top US drugs official has said anti-drug efforts are having the best results of the past 20 years. Wednesday, 3 October 2007, 00:43 GMT 01:43 UK http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7025308.stm
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John Walters, head of the Office of National Drug Control Policy, said cocaine shortages had led to a jump in prices in 37 American cities. Efforts on both sides of the Mexican border have disrupted the flow of all drugs into the US, Mr Walters said.

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But he said it had not yet been proven if the results could be sustained over the long term. Mexican traffickers extradited Mr Walters was speaking as the US and Mexico work out the details of an aid plan - expected to total $1bn - for Mexico to help combat drug cartels. About 90% of the cocaine entering the US comes through Mexico. "What's happened for the first time in two decades is we now see widespread reports of cocaine shortages in the United States," Mr Walters said. Thirty-seven cities had reported "the lack of the ability to receive wholesale amounts, kilo amounts, of cocaine in the quantities previously supplied at prices previously charged", he said. As a result of the drop in supply, the price of cocaine had increased by 24% and nearly doubled in some cities. The drugs tsar credited Mexican President Felipe Calderon for some of the success. He said US investigators had been working closely with Mexican authorities in their fight against the drug cartels. Since Mr Calderon took office in December he has sent 25,000 soldiers and police to Mexican provinces plagued by drug violence and it seems to be working, says the BBC's Duncan Kennedy in Mexico City. Several high-profile Mexican traffickers have been extradited to the US in recent months. Mr Walters also said that fewer American workers were showing positive on drug tests and that there were fewer cocaine-related hospital admissions. The real challenge, he said, would be maintaining the results over the long term. __________________
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Originally posted by GC505 John Walters, head of the Office of National Drug Control Policy, said cocaine shortages had led to a jump in prices in 37 American cities.
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Shortages that were, as always, temporary and promptly erased as new dealers, selling cocaine from alternative sources, entered the market, thus restoring business to its usual, brisk self. Unfortunately, pathological megalomanical tax-thieving liars like Walters are incapable of admitting such or that their crusade is still an abysmal, counterproductive failure. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the everaccumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. — W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)

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Most of our drug-importing military cargo planes are busy in the Middle East. D'oh! __________________ "...for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke "Better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man be convicted." Sir William Blackstone, paraphrasing Genesis Speed, surprise and violence of action.
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Rpt: Mex Drug Cartels Earning Nearly As Much As Coca-Cola Wednesday, 03 October 2007

Arizona Republic Marana, Arizona A U.S. Border Patrol agent, lower left, and his dog, apprehend eleven suspected undocumented immigrants caught in the desert by Army National Guard helicopter pilot Major George Harris. Tom Tingle / The Arizona Republic A U.S. Border Patrol agent, lower left, and his dog, apprehend eleven suspected undocumented immigrants caught in the desert by Army National Guard helicopter pilot Major George Harris.

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George Harris watches from a front-row seat the increasingly sophisticated world of Mexican drug cartels as he skims his National Guard helicopter 200 feet above the southern Arizona desert. Harris commands an aviation unit for Operation Jump Start, a twoyear mission that sent National Guard troops to help secure the U.SMexican border. Although stopping illegal immigration grabs most of the public attention, slowing the flow of illicit drugs is a critical part of the job. Hovering above the Tohono-O'odham Reservation recently, Harris pointed to a volcanic hill riddled with campsites where cartel "spotters" take up key lookout positions to alert smugglers of nearby patrols.

Such hideouts dot just about every hill Harris scouts in the 90 miles between Marana and Why in Pima County. There are more than 100 well-armed Mexican spotters operating in Arizona at any time, Harris and federal agents estimate. The camps show how pervasive the Mexican drug-smuggling operation has become and why congressional investigators said last week that cartels "operate with relative impunity along the U.S. border." Mexican smuggling rings, now allied with Colombian cartels, outspend, outgun and frequently outmaneuver government agents from both sides of the border because of enormous revenues and cunning operations. The drug war is a mismatch in both countries. At best, government statistics show, one load in 10 is seized at the border, where Arizona has become the busiest marijuana-smuggling route.
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Billion-dollar business The Government Accountability Office estimated last week that Mexican cartels earned $8 billion to $23 billion from U. S. drug sales in 2005. The drug syndicate runs street distribution gangs in "almost every region of the United States," investigators reported. The U.S. government estimates that 90 percent of Colombian cocaine entering the United States comes through Mexico. That's up from five years ago, when two-thirds crossed the Mexico border. With $23 billion in earnings, the Mexican cartels would be nearly the size of Arizona's two biggest companies combined: Avnet and Phelps Dodge. They would rank 97th on the Fortune 500 list, four spots below the Coca-Cola Co. The money allows cartels to buy equipment, expertise and weapons; bribe police; or hire well-trained army deserters. The Mexican government fired or suspended nearly 1,900 federal employees last year on corruption allegations. "The only thing that holds the cartels back is their imagination," said Ramona Sanchez, special agent for the Drug Enforcement Administration in Phoenix. 'Like a military operation' In recent years, officials have arrested drug smugglers in Arizona carrying shoulder-fired rocket launchers. They routinely find assault rifles. "It's like a military operation," said William Newel, head of the Phoenix office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. "If they can lay down suppressing fire to let smugglers get away with their loads, they'll do it. So they want high-capacity, high-power weapons." Smugglers used such weapons five years ago to gun down Kris Eggle, a park ranger at Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument and a friend of Harris, the helicopter pilot. "It's always the good guys that get it," Harris said as he flew through a park canyon crisscrossed with smugglers' tracks. There are so many tracks in the park that Harris won't let his family visit. Technology, expertise The cartels' money also buys technology as well as expertise. When the National Guard built steel vehicle barriers on the TohonoO'odham Reservation, smugglers engineered a ramp to drive over
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them. The Guard finished a triple fence at San Luis early this year, and once-rampant illegal immigration there almost halted. But last month, work crews discovered a tunnel 30 feet deep that ran under the fence foundations and the water system. Authorities found 45 drug-smuggling tunnels, some with lights and air-supply systems, under the border from 2000 to 2006. The rate is escalating. Spotters can camp out for weeks in one spot, with smugglers replenishing their provisions. The spotters use GPS equipment, encrypted satellite radios and night-vision goggles to keep smuggling routes open. The canyons north of Menagers Lake are a popular spot. As Harris flew over the area, he called it the "worst place on the whole border, a nasty little joint," because of all the smuggling violence. Just across the barrier at the border, the driver of a blue four-wheeldrive vehicle watched Harris' helicopter glide by and then disappeared in a cloud of dust. Flying north, Harris encountered a dozen abandoned smuggling trucks in the first three miles. National Guard troops familiar with the region say there are hundreds of abandoned trucks. Harris' Task Force Raven has seized 108 trucks in the act of smuggling since July 2006. Drug war marches on The U.S. government has spent $397 million since 2000, helping Mexico fight its drug war. The money has gone toward DEA offices, law-enforcement training, border-security grants and helicopters. "Smugglers hate helicopters," Harris said. Cartel spotters are invisible from the desert floor. But from the air, their hideouts are betrayed by arranged rock walls and cut brush used for camouflage. As a National Guard officer, Harris does not have the authority to arrest smugglers, so he catalogs the hideouts and tells the Border Patrol. "I try and get up in the hills and harass the scouts as often as possible," Harris said. "It takes away the smugglers' eyes." Attachment: 1003dope1003.jpg
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John Walters must be smoking the product flowing daily across the border. __________________
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Sloppy Tradecraft Exposes CIA Drug Plane

I bet that some of you thought that I was reaching pretty far out on a limb with this comment: AVENGER: "Most of our drug-importing military cargo planes are busy in the Middle East. D'oh!" Well, have a gander at this "paranoia." -Article.Sloppy Tradecraft Exposes CIA Drug Plane WORLD EXCLUSIVE Oct 08, 2007 by Daniel Hopsicker http://www.madcowprod.com/10092007.html Seventeen months after an American-registered DC9 airliner was

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busted with 5.5 tons of cocaine, a major international scandal is brewing over a second drug trafficking incident in Mexico's Yucatan involving an American-registered jet owned by a dummy front company of the kind usually associated with the CIA.A weekend visit to “Donna Blue Aircraft Inc” of Coconut Beach FL., the company which FAA records show owned the Gulfstream II business jet (N987SA) which crash-landed with 3.7 tons of cocaine aboard in Mexico’s Yucatan two weeks ago, has revealed that the company’s listed address is an empty office suite with a blank sign out front. There was no sign of Donna Blue Aircraft, Inc., at the address listed at the Florida Dept. of Corporations, 4811 Lyons Technology Parkway #8 in Coconut Beach FL. However, there were, oddly enough, a half-dozen unmarked police cars parked directly in front of the empty suite. Phone calls to Butters Development, the industrial park's leasing agent, went unreturned. Moreover the brief description of Donna Blue on its Internet page, apparently designed to “flesh out the ghost a little,” is such a clumsy half-hearted effort that it defeats the purpose of helping aid the construction of a plausible “legend,” or cover, and ends up doing more harm than good... For example, the website features a quote from a satisfied Donna Blue Aircraft customer. Unfortunately his name is “John Doe.” And the listed phone number is right out of the movies: 415.555-5555. Its known in the trade as "sloppy tradecraft." "Its My Party and I'll Bust Who I Want To" The biggest clue to date to the true identity of the individuals or organization operating behind the dummy front of "Donna Blue Aircraft" may lie in its initials, "DBA," for "doing business as." It is the kind of cute nomenclature for which "the boys" are known to be fond. For the Bush Administration, which recently launched a PR offensive announcing major gains in the multibillion-dollar anti-drug effort in preparation for asking Congress for a $1 billion Plan Colombia-type aid package to help Mexico fight drug traffickers, the controversy could not have come at a worse time. The billion dollars in proposed U.S. aid, Mexican newspapers pointed out, will only be used to target drug traffickers with no obvious ties to American intelligence. Leading to this extraordinary skepticism is the fact that recent investigations into downed drug planes have suffered, on both sides of the U.S.-Mexican border, from a certain murkiness. New Scientific Discovery Links Drug Planes to Quarks Mexican authorities and the American DEA have apparently concluded that Mankind’s knowledge of the ownership of large commercial and business jets busted carrying multi-ton loads of narcotics is governed, like the understanding of the movement of subatomic quarks, by Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle. The more influential the listed owner of the plane is, the more uncertain the identification becomes. The whole business, suggested a story which ran on the Associated Press, quickly moves
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beyond the realm of human ken… “How the U.S.-registered Gulfstream ended up in the hands of suspected drug traffickers remains a mystery,” reported the Associated Press. How indeed? Let’s take a look. When the company’s principals, Joao Luiz Malago and Eduardo Dias Guimaraes, both Brazilian, forcefully denied that they still owned the plane, claiming it had been sold several weeks earlier to two American pilots in Florida, officials at the DEA (which sent a sixman team to the Yucatan crash site) the FBI, and the FAA were all conspicuous by their silence. Since then, there has been a growing perception expressed in the Mexican press that the owners of both of the American-registered drug plane’s seem to enjoy an apparent immunity from prosecution. Set a Straw Man Up, Set a Straw Man Down “The proprietary company of the unit, Donna Blue Inc. Aircraft (DBA), is another mystery and probably it is a ghost company,” reported Mexico City’s La Reforma. Indications point to the conclusion that their skepticism is justified. Increasing suspicion even more was the suggestion, in a report of a committee of the European Parliament, that in addition to having been used in drug trafficking the Gulfstream II had flown CIA rendition flights to Guantanamo. Unnamed authorities quoted in Associated Press accounts dismissed this report, saying there was no evidence the plane flew renditions, but failed to address the fact that Guantanamo is highly restricted airspace, and any plane landing there can be presumed to be working for the U.S. Government. What has raised the crash-landing of the Gulfstream II drug plane with U.S. Government connections to the level of real outrage is its extraordinary similarity to the DC9 airliner caught a year and a half ago, after which the planes’ registered owner suffered no ill consequences from having his airplane caught with 5.5 tons of cocaine onboard. There are “wonderful similarities,” Mexican newspaper Por Esto reported drolly, “between the Gulfstream which crash-landed in the tiny hamlet of Tixkokob and the DC9 busted in Ciudad del Carmen which help explain why, despite the fact that almost 18 months has passed, the American owner of the DC9 has not been charged with any crime.” Ghost Fleets of Ghost Planes owned by Ghost Companies The reference is to information contained in a series of articles in the MadCowMorningNews detailing connections between the DC9 and the national Republican Party, like its unpaid use flying current Florida Republican Senator Mel Martinez around the state during his last week blitz before his election to the Senate in 2004. The DC9’s owner was identified in FAA documents as Royal Sons’ Inc., owned by Frederic Geffon of St. Petersburg. Yet despite the fact that Geffon back-dated sales documents and then had them faxed to the FAA several days after his DC9 was already in the news for the big bust, no action has been taken
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against Geffon, or any other owners of the plane. Geffon claimed he had sold the DC9, several weeks before it was caught, and identified the buyer as an “airplane broker” in California who investigation revealed has no history of selling airplanes. The circumstances of the subsequent “investigations” share many similarities. The governments involved—Mexico, the United States, Venezuela, and Colombia—all appear unable to agree on who owned the planes when they were busted. In both cases Mexican authorities were quick to arrest individuals who authorities labeled crew members on the drug flights. The Third Rail, The Big Taboo, & The Big Fix But the plane’s ownership has been made to appear “murky,” although the owners of the planes at the time they were caught are clearly named in FAA documents. And both plane’s American owners appear to be escaping Scot-free. Could the confusion be deliberate? An aviation executive in Venice thought so. "When it comes to registering airplanes, it’s the Wild West out there," he explained. “An airplane is a mobile, big ticket item. Yet there are no airport police doing ramp checks, or checking N numbers at airports.” “The FAA system for registering airplanes is little-changed from when it was started back in the good ol boy days of the 1930’s. Each plane has a paper folder, for example, stuffed with all correspondence regarding airworthiness and ownership relating to that plane.” “Its an antiquated system which some feel is kept deliberately in place to encourage a certain ambiguity when a plane is interdicted. When a change of registration is mailed in, the FAA places a plane’s folder in what they call “suspense.” “That’s a tremendous inducement to anyone with a chance of having a plane nabbed to keep floating sales in progress. The CIA, for example, is very adept at keeping files on its planes “in suspense.” An airplane associated in some way with the U.S. Government, said an aviation source with a smirk, would have definite advantages for a drug smuggler. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on... The first incident—the DC9 “Cocaine One” saga studiously ignored in the American press, save for an error-filled apologia in the plane’s owners hometown St. Petersburg Times—dropped from sight quickly with no apparent serious ramifications. Two weeks ago in the Yucatan, events took a similar turn. And both incidents now seem headed for similar outcomes. Today only elements of the “wised-up” Mexican press are crying foul. After being owned for nearly a decade by ARI, Air Rutter International, the Gulfstream apparently changed hands-- at least two, and by one account, three--times in recent weeks. However the MadCowMorningNews has learned new details that throw suspicion on the claim that two American pilots in Fort Lauderdale Florida could have paid $2 million cash, as described by
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Donna Blue execs, for the Gulfstream II business jet... It's a deadly game of musical chairs. What will happen when the music stops? -End of article.__________________ "...for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke "Better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man be convicted." Sir William Blackstone, paraphrasing Genesis Speed, surprise and violence of action.
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I was just reading over the article that Cataclysm posted, which focuses on what is practically my own backyard. It's truly comical to watch the Border Stooges in action around here, scurrying to and fro like ****roaches while doing not a damned thing to justify the massive amount of taxpayer dollars wasted on them. Whether illegal aliens or drugs, these guys can't find either one of them unless they accidentally stumble on them. The picture accompanying the article probably depicts a roundup of illegals who were just unlucky enough to cross into a BP agent's backyard. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the everaccumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. — W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)
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Avenger, You are not off base, the drug business is ran by our so called good guys. look at www.narconews.com a person named Bill Conroy hunts down the goverment jets that fly in cocaine. if anything it is the baby boom era getting old that is stopping the drug use.
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Originally posted by Darryl if anything it is the baby boom era getting old that is stopping the drug use.

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Yup. The younger generation is more interested in brilliant habits such as huffing paint fumes, cooking their tiny brains with meth, supporting the empire by drinking themselves into a stupor and filling the pockets of the "upper" class by popping pills all day in order to "cope" with the pointless and corrupt reality that is American society today. You know--instead of actually doing anything about it. __________________ "...for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke "Better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man be convicted." Sir William Blackstone, paraphrasing Genesis Speed, surprise and violence of action.
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Here is a little information on the so called War on Drugs. These two video's could be the best 16 minutes you can spend to get a handle on the real story! PART 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ-T...feature=related PART 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdai...feature=related Mena Arkansas was at one time the main drop point for the CIA's contributions to the War on Drugs.
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If you've heard of the video site YouTube.com, then you'll know basically what I'm talking about. If not, go to it and learn a bit. YouTube hosts a lot of videos, including my own. Millions of people pass through there everyday. Supposedly, over 100 million different people view the site every day. Now, if someone were to set up a kind of network on there for their cause, that would become a powerful tool of both propaganda and also in teaching and recruiting more people to undo the brainwashing already in place by the police. The best part of all is, the cops and their supporters don't seem to have realized this. I run a small network on YouTube of about 18

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people, and while we do get scattered hostility from occasional sources, for the most part we are getting very good responses to videos like the Rodney King Beating and the like. If we could put some CopWatch-type videos up on YouTube and organize an active way to promote them, we might be able to do some good in undoing the pro-cop brainwashing that has become so common.
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That's a great idea. How much bandwidth are you using on a monthy basis? __________________
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Originally posted by Mack That's a great idea. How much bandwidth are you using on a monthy basis?

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I actually don't know. I'm sure I could get that kind of information from the site, but I'm too lazy. I currently have 22 videos (Some of my recent ones are just funny little ******ed videos I posted, but in general they are serious), and since I joined 4 months ago I've had 717 views on my channel,

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and 13680 individual video views. I've also figured out a way to advertise my work through other people by adding them to my buddy list and then posting a bulletin, which shows up on my buddys' profiles and links viewers to my vids. You can even organize groups (I belong to two ones about cops, one of which I own).
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Have you seen this one? Run From The ***s __________________
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Police Complaint Center

What about the Police Complaint Center? It's located at policeabuse. com or .tv, and it's growing quite rapidly lately. Here's a YouTube video of their latest endeavor: a live internet show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV9MLg7oESw I think this is a good network for a good cause.
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Re: Police Complaint Center quote:

Originally posted by filmthecops What about the Police Complaint Center? It's located at policeabuse.com or .tv, and it's growing quite rapidly lately. Here's a YouTube video of their latest endeavor: a live internet show. http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=TV9MLg7oESw I think this is a good network for a good cause.

This is the same post you made to another thread word for word. You would not be attempting to SPAM this website would you?
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Concerned?

Thanks for your concern. I just thought the post I made here fit better on another thread. It's the only two I've ever posted. So, sorry. Just thought I'd speak my mind about YouTube and cops... Isn't that what we do here?
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Monte, a German shepherd working as a police dog for Redmond, died Wednesday after a brief illness. Monte and his police handler, Officer Sam Hovenden, were credited with assisting in the seizure of more than $570,000 in narcotics and more than $85,000 in drug money since May 2001. Monte was also an ambassador for the department, appearing at

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Isn't it interesting that police dogs are always described as "ambassadors" for the cops? What does that say about the cops? It tells me that they are, on average, unlikeable, inarticulate bullies incapable of garnering any positive response from the public without the aid of a cute dog.

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Apparently, there are very few actual cops who can fool the public into thinking that the average cop is OK. __________________
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Originally posted by Mack Monte and his police handler, Officer Sam Hovenden, were credited with assisting in the seizure of more than $570,000 in narcotics and more than $85,000 in drug money since May 2001.

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How sad (but unsurprising) that this poor, abused poochpup's life was wasted engaging in extra-constitutional theft. I'm assuming that this was the entire focus of his short, abused life, since we're not told that he did anything genuinely heroic related to "protecting and serving," like saving a child from a rapist or defending an old lady from a purse snatcher. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the everaccumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. — W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)
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"Police Week - Remembering those who made the ultimate sacrifice" http://policeweek.org/schedule.html Schedule of Events 2007
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Tuesday May 8, 2007 (Confirmed) Annual Blue Mass The Blue Mass will be held at 12:10 PM at St. Patrick's Catholic Church. For additional information please call (202) 347-2713.

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Saturday May 12, 2007 (Confirmed) Police Unity Tour Arrival Ceremony will be held at 2:00 p.m. at the Washington Memorial. Begun in 1997, the Police Unity Tour has raised nearly $900,000 for the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund. Visit www.policeunitytour.com, call (973) 443-0030, or E-mail unitytour1@aol.com for more information.

Sunday May 13, 2007 (Confirmed) 19th Annual Candlelight Vigil The Candlelight Vigil will be held at 8:00 p.m. at the 400 block of E Street, NW. The event is sponsored by the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial. No tickets are required and everyone is welcome. Due to parking limitations, it is strongly advised that anyone attending the event take the Metro Red Line to Judiciary Square. For additional information please call (202) 7373400. 21st Annual Concerns of Police Survivors Seminars The National Concerns of Police Survivors' (COPS) will hold their 21st Annual Concerns of Police Survivors Seminars from 9:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. on May 13 and May 14, at the Hilton Alexandria Mark Center. Registration is for this event is mandatory.

Monday May 14, 2007 (Confirmed) Fifth Annual Honor Guard Competition The competition will begin at 8:30 a.m. at John Marshall Plaza, located on Pennsylvania Ave NW at 4th Street, NW. Awards will be presented immediately following the competition. This event is sponsored by the Grand Lodge Fraternal Order of Police. Contact: Ken Roske Fraternal Order of Police, National Memorial Committee 711 4th Street, NW Washington, DC 20001 e-mail honorguard@policeweek.org www.policeweekhonorguard.com

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Tuesday May 15, 2007 (Confirmed) 26th Annual National Peace Officers' Memorial Service Sponsored by the Grand Lodge Fraternal Order of Police and the Grand Lodge Fraternal Order of Police Auxiliary. The Memorial Service will be held on the West Front of the United States Capitol in Washington, D.C. The Service begins at 12:00 noon and is expected to run approximately 2 hours. Contact: Linda Hennie or Marcello Muzzatti at the National Police Week Hotline (202) 547-1651. The Wreath Laying Ceremony will be held immediately following the Memorial Service at the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial, located in the 400 block of E Street, NW. __________________
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http://www.nationalcops.org/npw.htm The annual Candlelight at the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial is one activity that brings law enforcement survivors to Washington, DC, during National Police Week each year. May 15 has been National Peace Officers Memorial Day, and the week containing May 15 has been National Police Week, since President John F. Kennedy signed Public Law 87-726 on October 1, 1962. The National Peace Officers' Memorial Day Service on May 15 draws thousands from all across the nation. But it was not until May 15, 1982, that the first National Peace Officers' Memorial Day Service was held. Washington, DC, activities during National Police Week now include the annual Candlelight Vigil at the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial and COPS' National Police Survivors' Seminars as well as the National Peace Officers' Memorial Day Service. The National Police Survivors' Seminars offer peer-support and professional counselors to assist survivors as they move along their path of grief. National Police Week 2007 Schedule of Events Saturday, May 12: Early Arrival Day, COPS National Board Meeting. Sunday, May 13: Official Arrival Day, National Police Week CheckIn, Candlelight Vigil at National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial. Monday, May 14: First day of the National Police Survivors’ Conference, First day of “C.O.P.S. Kids/Teens” activities, “Troopers’ Tour of the Capital”. Tuesday, May 15: National Peace Officers’ Memorial Service. Wednesday, May 16: Second day of the National Police Survivors’ Conference, Second day of “C.O.P.S. Kids/Teens activities, Picnic in the Park. Thursday, May 17: Official Departure Day, COPS National Board Meeting. Public Law 87-726, signed by President John F. Kennedy in 1962, was amended by the 103rd Congress as part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. President Bill Clinton signed Public Law 103-322 which directs that the flag of the United States on all Government buildings be displayed at half-staff on May 15, National Peace Officers' Memorial Day. Click here for a Sample Proclamation that can be individualized for your municipality to recognize Police Week.

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http://www.nationalcops.org/Proclamation.htm In 1962, President John F. Kennedy signed Public Law 87-726 designating May 15 as Peace Officers' Memorial Day, and the week in which May 15 falls as National Police Week. The law was amended by the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, Public Law 103-322, signed by President Bill Clinton, directing that the flag of the United States be displayed at half-staff on all government buildings on May 15 each year. While the actual dates change from year to year, National Police Week is always the calendar week, beginning on Sunday, which includes May 15. Sample Proclamation Whereas, The Congress and President of the United States have designated May 15 as Peace Officers' Memorial Day, and the week in which May 15 falls as National Police week; and Whereas, the members of the law enforcement agency of (municipality) play an essential role in safeguarding the rights and freedoms of (municipality); and Whereas, it is important that all citizens know and understand the duties, responsibilities, hazards, and sacrifices of their law enforcement agency, and that members of our law enforcement agency recognize their duty to serve the people by safeguarding life and property, by protecting them against violence and disorder, and by protecting the innocent against deception and the weak against oppression; and Whereas, the men and women of the law enforcement agency of (municipality) unceasingly provide a vital public service; Now, therefore, I, (title) of (municipality), call upon all citizens of (municipality) and upon all patriotic, civic and educational organizations to observe the week of May (date) - (date), (year), as Police Week with appropriate ceremonies and observances in which all of our people may join in commemorating law enforcement officers, past and present, who, by their faithful and loyal devotion to their responsibilities, have rendered a dedicated service to their

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communities and, in so doing, have established for themselves an enviable and enduring reputation for preserving the rights and security of all citizens. I further call upon all citizens of (municipality) to observe (day), May (date), as Peace Officers' Memorial Day in honor of those law enforcement officers who, through their courageous deeds, have made the ultimate sacrifice in service to their community or have become disabled in the performance of duty, and let us recognize and pay respect to the survivors of our fallen heroes. In witness thereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the (municipality) to be affixed. COPS P.O. Box 3199 3096 S. State Highway 5 Camdenton, MO 65020 Phone: 573-346-4911 Fax: 573-346-1414 cops@nationalcops.org __________________
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Here is the picture of the cop that was referanced in the article above! This guy must have stock in Krispy Kream!

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I had no idea they made spandex cyclist shorts in sizes this big! I wonder if if he realizes just how sad he looks? He would last about a hot twenty minutes around here - some guy would take off running and this moron would not have a chance to catch them! What happened to PT requirements for officers? There is no way this guy could do one chin up or more than two push-ups. __________________ It seems Americans now need permission to speak out on

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political issues and petition the government. I'd suggest a constitutional amendment protecting those rights, but I thought we already had one. Any statement I make is my opinion and covered by the US Constitutions Right To Free Speech ~ ~ “As the years pass, the power of government becomes more and more pervasive. It is a power to suffocate both people and causes. Those in power, whatever their politics, want only to perpetuate it. Now that the fences of the law and the tradition that protected the press are broken down, the people are the victims. The First Amendment, as I read it, was designed precisely to prevent that tragedy.” Justice William O. Douglas
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sorry for the double post - it would not upload the picture... I will attempt one more time - This guy is big but I really tried to cut the size of the file. He must be so big even Photoshop will not reduce the image to a size that can be loaded here __________________ It seems Americans now need permission to speak out on political issues and petition the government. I'd suggest a constitutional amendment protecting those rights, but I thought we already had one. Any statement I make is my opinion and covered by the US Constitutions Right To Free Speech ~ ~ “As the years pass, the power of government becomes more and more pervasive. It is a power to suffocate both people and causes. Those in power, whatever their politics, want only to perpetuate it. Now that the fences of the law and the tradition that protected the press are broken down, the people are the victims. The First Amendment, as I read it, was designed precisely to prevent that tragedy.” Justice William O. Douglas
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quote:

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Originally posted by CC Rider sorry for the double post - it would not upload the picture... I will attempt one more time - This guy is big but I really tried to cut the size of the file. He must be so big even Photoshop will not reduce the image to a size that can be loaded here

__________________ It seems Americans now need permission to speak out on political issues and petition the government. I'd suggest a constitutional amendment protecting those rights, but I thought we already had one. Any statement I make is my opinion and covered by the US Constitutions Right To Free Speech ~ ~ “As the years pass, the power of government becomes more and more pervasive. It is a power to suffocate both people and causes. Those in power, whatever their politics, want only to perpetuate it. Now that the fences of the law and the tradition that protected the press are broken down, the people are the victims. The First Amendment, as I read it, was designed precisely to prevent that tragedy.” Justice William O. Douglas
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Originally posted by Mack Tuesday May 8, 2007 (Confirmed) Annual Blue Mass

Just a shade or two less evil than the Black Mass. I wonder if they sacrifice any animals (or babies)? I'm sure they must burn Mumia in effigy. __________________
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upholds the law and renders a service not only to himself but the public generally." Justice Sanders, defending the right to forcibly resist false arrest, State v. Valentine, [<LINK] 935 P.2d 1294 (writing in dissent). WA Supreme Court, 1997. Nothing I post constitutes legal advice. My opinions are not necessarily shared by COPWATCH or by any other Moderators or participants. POLICING THE POLICE COPWATCH.com Resources for fighting police brutality and other forms of law-enforcement misconduct. FIGHT BACK with COPWATCH.com! Report this post to a moderator |

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Becky Akers, a regular contributor to LRC, contributes one of her usual gems, this time on the annual orgy of drunken porky mayhem in DC: http://www.lewrockwell.com/akers/akers65.html Fuzz Follies by Becky Akers
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Seems DC has survived another "National Police Week." I’m trying to decide whether that’s good or bad. From Tuesday, May 8, through Wednesday, May 16, "tens of thousands" of cops from around the country partied in the nation’s capitol. Naturally, they drank. A lot. But that didn’t stop them from climbing behind the wheel to cruise dark streets with sirens blaring. They gunned motorcycles and skirled bagpipes till 3 AM, yelled, fought, and generally broke laws they force the rest of us to follow. Their excuse for this annual rioting is that by annoying, inconveniencing, and even terrifying DC’s civilians, they commemorate officers killed in the line of duty. Well, why not? Those cops likely annoyed, inconvenienced and terrified folks while they were alive. Alas, after several sleepless nights, some citizens ran short of sympathy for the grieving survivors. They naïvely complained to the District’s police, who responded by joining the fun. One canny taxpayer finally videotaped the lawlessness for youtube. com. This embarrassed DC’s police chief into taking stern measures: she posted fliers asking the drunks to play nice. No doubt that had ’em trembling in their jackboots. National Police Week has plagued us since 1962, when a "Joint Resolution... authorize[d] the President to proclaim May 15 of each year as Peace Officers Memorial Day and the calendar

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week of each year during which such May 15 occurs as Police Week." We already pay these petty tyrants and bullies, but Leviathan wants us to kiss their butts, too: "Whereas the police officers of America have worked devotedly and selflessly in behalf of the people of this Nation, regardless of the peril or hazard to themselves..." Oh, right, and all those benefits, overtime pay, early retirement with lifelong pension, meals extorted from restaurateurs, and drugs swiped from the evidence lab have nothing to do with it. "... Whereas these officers have safeguarded the lives and property of their fellow Americans..." Poppycock. By law, cops don’t have to "safeguard" anything. Attorney and author Richard Stevens emphasizes, "[Cops] don’t even have to come when you call. In most states the government and police owe no legal duty to protect individual citizens from criminal attack. The District of Columbia’s highest court spelled out plainly the ‘fundamental principle that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen.’" But most Americans blindly believe that cops protect us from criminals. In reality, cops protect the State from us. That’s been their purpose since the first police departments were organized in the early nineteenth century. Prior to that, kings relied on their armies to fight their enemies, foreign or domestic; witness the Redcoats patrolling colonial Boston. Then in 1812, George III’s Chief Secretary for Ireland created the "Peace Preservation Police" to subdue Irish peasants upset at the British government’s stranglehold. Nor has that purpose shifted over the centuries. Cops still keep muttering serfs from rising against Their Rulers: "...Whereas by the enforcement of our laws, these same officers have given our country internal freedom from fear of the violence and civil disorder that is presently affecting other nations..." Yeah, especially when they’re liquored up. "...Whereas these men and women by their patriotic service..." I don’t know about you, but subjugating one’s fellow citizens isn’t exactly my definition of "patriotic service." "...and their dedicated efforts have earned the gratitude of the Republic..." Or at least of its leaders. And so cops annually invade DC. They raise many a bottle of
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Bud to those who "paid the ultimate sacrifice" during the preceding year – all 160 of them. That small number is the nation’s annual average of cops who die in the line of duty. Has been for years. About half are shot; the rest might arguably be excluded from this figure because they perish in car crashes. We can only envy such low fatalities since cops kill many times that number of civilians each year. And "justifiably," too: though it’s "murder" when a citizen kills a cop, it’s "justifiable homicide" when they kill us. A report from the US Department of Justice contains this stunner: "the use of deadly force against a police officer is almost never justified, while the use of deadly force by police often is... [K]illings by police are referred to as ‘justifiable homicides,’ and the persons that police kill are referred to as ‘felons.’" What handy logic! Cops kill felons who are felons because cops killed them. "Police justifiably kill on average nearly 400 felons each year." That estimate is low. It’s also unreliable. Despite a 1994 law ordering cops to report all shootings, precincts "voluntarily" report only "justified" killings to the FBI. A neat trick, but you have to work for Leviathan to get away with it: when we murder, it’s reported. And "felons" are merely the beginning of the casualties. What about the innocent bystanders these reckless drivers and poor marksmen slaughter? Or their murderous "mistakes," like 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston of Atlanta or bridegroom Sean Bell of New York City? Dead civilians might as well be roadkill. Their deaths literally don’t count. While cops drown their sorrows over their fallen fellows, let decent folk honor the fallen felons. It’s easy enough: just understand who the real criminals are. May 25, 2007 Becky Akers writes primarily about the American Revolution. Copyright © 2007 LewRockwell.com __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the everaccumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its
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freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. — W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)
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Published: May 17, 2007 03:46 pm Police officers remember compatriots lost in duty By Matthew Hill Staff Writer http://www.fayettetribune.com/local..._137154634.html
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FAYETTEVILLE — Gratitude’s eternal sunshine was pierced only by the gentle breezes of bittersweet remembrance and the gun shots of Fayette County sheriff’s deputies who sent several rounds of bullets heavenward to kiss the faces of their faithfully departed comrades. In front of them sat 10 empty black chairs, and over the heart of

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each police officer was a black-striped badge — vivid and lamentable reminders of the precious price to be paid for a safe and free society. Police officers from throughout Fayette County, and from three surrounding counties, gathered on the courthouse lawn Tuesday for the local commemoration of National Law Enforcement Day. Fayette County Circuit Judge John Hatcher, Tuesday’s keynote speaker, took special note of the officers’ badges and their obligatory black bands. “That black band represents a virtual scar across the very heart and soul of America’s police officers as they remember the importance of life, the value of life, the uncertainty of life, and the brevity of life,” Hatcher proclaimed, his amplified words reverberating against nearby buildings. “As in years past, we are small in number today, but we are certainly large in our purpose. (Many) officers no doubt attended police memorial ceremonies last year across this great land, knowing not that they themselves would be memorialized this very day. For them we grieve ...” On a local level, one such individual referenced Tuesday was Charles “Chuck” Smith, a Beckley undercover police officer killed in the line of duty last August. Hatcher spoke of the need for officers to have sound judgment, compassionate hearts, integrity and a true and sincere desire to serve the public. Nearly 700 law enforcement officers were killed over the last 12 years while performing their jobs. Of those, he added, more than 50 were murdered with their own gun. “Let us never forget that we owe these brave men and women a special thanks and a special measure of gratitude and respect,” Hatcher noted. He also made mention of the nearly 4,000 members of the American military killed in action in the Iraqi theater, part of the global war on terrorism. “Let us also remember all ... who yet stand in harm’s way, with clearly no end in sight. May they soon be safely returned to their homes and to their loved ones.” Fayetteville Mayor Jim Akers provided a brief history of law enforcement and how man’s frequent inhumanity to man led human beings to formulate laws and rules for a just society. With that development came the advent of groups of people willing to enforce those precepts. “However, despite all the advances in technology, we have yet to prevent the most basic threat (death). Every day, brave men and women of law enforcement are killed in the performance of
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their noble duty. In over two centuries in America, this grim fact has not changed,” Akers declared. “Those who choose to live outside society’s ethical and legal boundaries represent a threat not only to those engaged in protecting and enforcing the law, but to society as a whole. Without law ... society as we know it would, without exaggeration, cease to exist.” Akers defined the men and women in uniform as literal heroes. It is only when one of them is taken from us, he said, that we appreciate their sacrifice. “It is only then that we realize the risk that they have taken on our behalf. Only then that we consider the price of our freedom.” To augment Akers’ last remark, flags were lowered to half-staff and Fayette County Sheriff’s Detective Sgt. James Sizemore read the names of all 145 West Virginia police officers killed in the performance of their duties since June 20, 1863. According to his list, the state lost its first police officer in Wheeling in 1868. A Fayette County sheriff was murdered in 1904. One of the names on the list touched Steve Pilato, Gov. Joe Manchin’s regional representative, in a special way — Fayette County Sheriff’s Deputy Roger Treadway, killed Oct. 8, 1975. “I think of Roger today on a personal level,” Pilato lamented, of his fellow high-school graduate. Tuesday’s ceremony opened with a rendition by Monte Price of “Amazing Grace” on an acoustic guitar. __________________
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Yet another example, as if we needed any more, of what a whore-bitch the MSM is, owned lock, stock, and barrel by the State. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom"

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Originally posted by Mack Every day, brave men and women of law enforcement are killed in the performance of their noble duty. In over two centuries in America, this grim fact has not changed,” Akers declared.

An outright, intentional lie designed to garner undeserved
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sympathy.
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Originally posted by Mack “It is only then that we realize the risk that they have taken on our behalf. Only then that we consider the price of our freedom.”

So now we owe our nation's freedom to the same police officers that routinely violate our rights and deny us of our liberties?
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Originally posted by Mack Sgt. James Sizemore read the names of all 145 West Virginia police officers killed in the performance of their duties since June 20, 1863.

This works out to an average of less than one officer per year that hs died "in the line of duty". I am certain the 145 number includes every heart attack, accidental death, suicide, DUI related death, etc... Sounds like a pretty safe job if you ask me. __________________
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Re: Over-the-top story about something called "National Law Enforcement Day" quote:

Originally posted by Mack By Matthew Hill sent several rounds of bullets heavenward to kiss the faces of their faithfully departed comrades.
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— vivid and lamentable reminders of the precious price to be paid .

This is so far beyond normal newspaper writing that it almost seems intended as parody. I wonder if the reporter is trying to make fun of them, or if he's really sincere? __________________
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Re: Re: Over-the-top story about something called "National Law Enforcement Day" quote:

Originally posted by Mack This is so far beyond normal newspaper writing that it almost seems intended as parody. I wonder if the reporter is trying to make fun of them, or if he's really sincere?
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I think I'll ask him. I won't hold my breath waiting for a reply, though. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the everaccumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. — W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)
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Police Officer Dies of Tornado Injuries Email this Story May 8, 5:09 PM (ET) By ROXANA HEGEMAN and STEVE BRISENDINE http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070508/D8P0EEI80.html
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GREENSBURG, Kan. (AP) - A police officer who was critically injured in the tornado that tore apart Greensburg was removed from life support early Tuesday, a few hours after his daughter was married at his bedside. Robert Tim Buckman, a 46-year-old officer from nearby Macksville, suffered a head injury in the storm Friday that also killed nine people in Greensburg and another person nearby, officials said. He died early Tuesday at a Wichita hospital, his son Derick Buckman told The Associated Press. "He died being a hero," Derick Buckman said. "He was sworn to protect people, and that's what he was doing the night he got picked up by a tornado." During his final hours, Robert Buckman symbolically gave away his 18-year-old daughter in a marriage ceremony at his bedside, his son said. The family's hometown preacher officiated at the ceremony for Kylee Buckman and her boyfriend, Josh Mondello, 22, Derick's best friend. "He was there with his daughter to give her away," said Derick Buckman, a 25-year-

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old firefighter. Buckman's son-in-law Seth Cole, who is in the Army and had been scheduled to deploy to Iraq on Tuesday, said he requested leave to be with his wife, their three children and her family on Monday, but his request was denied by commanders at Fort Stewart, Ga. As he was preparing to leave later Tuesday, his battalion commander informed him he would be allowed a delay to attend the funeral. "The battalion commander came over and sat down with me and said, 'Where do you need to be?'" Cole told the Associated Press in a phone interview. "I said, 'I need to be home with my wife's family.' And he said, 'OK, you're going.'" Cole said he didn't know how much time he'll have before he has to deploy to Iraq. He said he his family was close to his father-in-law. "He was a really awesome guy," Cole said. "The best thing I remember about him was going fishing and going hunting with him - at least 10 to 12 times a year if we had the chance." Search and rescue operations continued Tuesday in Greensburg, where emergency responders have struggled to determined if any of its 1,600 residents are missing because so many are staying with friends or relatives rather than in shelters. President Bush was to tour the damage on Wednesday. The 1.7-mile-wide Category F-5 enhanced tornado, with wind estimated at 205 mph, destroyed about 95 percent of this farming town on Friday. The death toll could have been much worse, but for a 20-minute warning - a rarely issued "tornado emergency" alert - that gave people time to take shelter in basements and storm cellars. "When you look around at the devastation here, it is amazing that there aren't more deaths," said Sharon Watson, a spokeswoman for the Kansas Division of Emergency Management. "You really can't look in any direction without seeing destruction, without seeing houses that are demolished, piles of rubble." The last day anyone was found alive in the wreckage of Greensburg was early Saturday, when two elderly women were pulled from the wreckage of a Mennonite church. Five trailers to house displaced families have arrived, and 20 more are on the way, said FEMA Director R. David Paulison, who toured the town by bus on Monday. Gov. Kathleen Sebelius said the government's response to the disaster was limited by ongoing National Guard deployments to the Middle East. "I don't think there is any question if you are missing trucks, Humvees and helicopters that the response is going to be slower," Sebelius said. "The real victims here will be the residents of Greensburg, because the recovery will be at a slower pace." White House spokesman Tony Snow rejected the criticism, saying the National Guard had equipment positioned around the country to respond to disasters when requested by states. Buckman was critically injured as he drove near Greensburg. Other victims were identified as Greensburg residents Claude Hopkins, 79; Larry Hoskins, 51; David Lyon, 48; Colleen Panzer, 77; Ron Rediger, 57; Evelyn Kelly; 75; Sarah Thackett, 71, and Beverly Volz, 52; and Richard J. Fry, 62, of Albuquerque, N.M. The storm system killed a 12th person elsewhere in Kansas. The storm system lingered over the central Plains in the week and was being blamed Tuesday for flooding across the states. The National Weather Service issued flash flooding warnings for 10 Oklahoma counties and several rivers were above flood
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stage. Thunderstorms are expected to continue until about Thursday. __________________
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And this comes right after one of his "brothers" got caught looting following the same tornado. Soldiers, Officer Accused Of Looting In Tornado-Ravaged Town
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Re: Auto-related death of cop temporally correlates with tornado- Magically he's a "h quote:

Originally posted by Mack "He died being a hero," Derick Buckman said. "He was sworn to protect people, and that's what he was doing the night he got picked up by a tornado."

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Really? How so? Let's see some specifics of what this guy was doing at the time of his death that would make him eligible for the "hero" label. I know I'm not the only one who has noticed how the MSM consistently and reflexively labels these clowns as "heroes", but never bother to enlighten us as to how they qualify as such. For all we know (and for all the MSM is telling us), Buckman could have been sitting in his cruiser wolfing down Dunkins and masturbating over kiddie porn when Mother Nature sent a piece of flying debris to remove him from the gene pool. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." - Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the ever-accumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too.

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What a bunch of crap. I'm going to go through all the "in-the-line-of-duty" deaths and find out what percenatege are from people actually trying to kill them. I found a site that lists all of them and like the last 10 were cops killing other cops or cops getting into accidents. __________________
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It's been a few years so I can't seem to find the original source of this information, but... http://www.totse.com/en/politics/po...deat191413.html
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2004 "line of duty" deaths:
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* Aircraft accident: 3 1 died while on vacation, 1 died in an on-duty crash due to pilot error, 1 was a pilot who crashed his own plane during a stunt maneuver gone awry. * Automobile accident: 35 This includes 9 incidents in which the officer was legally intoxicated, 17 while enroute to or from the work place and 10 while on vacation or other paid leave. * Bomb: 2 1 died during a training exercise gone awry, 1 died in an ambush explosion. * Drowned: 3 2 were the result of scuba diving accidents, one was the result of a boating accident involving the officers use of alcohol. 2 civillians also died in this boating accident. * Electrocuted: 1 This officer was working on the electrical system in his own home.

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* Explosion: 1 This single death was the result of a natural gas leak at his residence, the officers wife also died in this incident. It is reported that the officer had improperly installed a water heater the day before the explosion. * Fall: 1 This officer fell from a scaffolding unit while working his part time construction job. His BAC was 0.09 at the time of death. * Gunfire: 53 Of these gunfire deaths, 5 were the result of bar room or other off-duty brawls, 6 were related to domestic disputes in their own home, 3 were mistaken identity by their fellow officers. * Gunfire (Accidental): 4 3 of these accidental gunfire deaths were the result of self inflicted gushot wounds, 1 was a hunting accident. * Heart attack: 11 ...Hardly a heroic way to go out. * Motorcycle accident: 7 4 were killed in on-duty freeway traffic accidents, the remaining 3 are attributed to drag racing accidents, 2 of which involved alcohol use by the officer involved. * Stabbed: 1 This single stabbing death was stabbed and killed by a convicted killer who had escaped from the Arizona Dept. of Corrections. The suspect remains at large. * Struck by vehicle: 7 5 of these officers died while exiting their vehicle during routine traffic stops, 2 were run down by their own vehicles after neglecting to properly engage the vehicle in Park. * Vehicular assault: 18 4 of these vehicular assaults were at the hand of their spouse during domestic disputes, 1 was at the hand of his father, 9 are labelled vehicular homicide because the driver was legally intoxicated at the time of the var vs officer accident. the remaining 4 were at the hand of suspected or wanted criminals. * Weather/Natural disaster: 1 Dripping in heroism... One Florida hurricane faces capital murder charges. * Vehicle pursuit: 6 3 were attributed to vehicle malfunction, 3 were attributed to unsafe driving conditions.

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Originally posted by GC505 It's been a few years so I can't seem to find the original source of this information, but... http://www.totse.com/en/politics/po...deat191413.html

Thank you for that. Who wants to go post this on officer.com?
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Re: Re: Auto-related death of cop temporally correlates with tornado- Magically he's a "h quote:

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Originally posted by liberranter Really? How so? Let's see some specifics of what this guy was doing at the time of his death that would make him eligible for the "hero" label. I know I'm not the only one who has noticed how the MSM consistently and reflexively labels these clowns as "heroes", but never bother to enlighten us as to how they qualify as such. For all we know (and for all the MSM is telling us), Buckman could have been sitting in his cruiser wolfing down Dunkins and masturbating over kiddie porn when Mother Nature sent a piece of flying debris to remove him from the gene pool.

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(Good Point) Any police officer could die over any 'no-good' Darwin of a reason, sure, but only to be labeled a hero, amongst 'le media', isn't that the main reason, most sign-up; to be- in the 1st place? 'LE Fame and LE Glory'
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quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------Originally posted by GC505 It's been a few years so I can't seem to find the original source of this information, but... http://www.totse.com/en/politics/po...deat191413.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thank you for that. Who wants to go post this on officer.com?

(Good idea) I would but, as much as I would like 2... But why give them a conscience to being 'more careful' with themselves? Time is a factor, inserting it in the 'appropriate place' is another factpr, (for max laughters' sake) that could be time consuming.. If it means as much 2 me as it would to you, I would... though *Lazy, and hungry atm
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http://www.nwsource.com/ae/scr/edb_...vt=250151&s=nws Cops on Doughnut Shops Benefiting Special Olympics DESCRIPTION Law enforcement officers across the country will eat, sleep and play on the roofs of Krispy Kreme stores May 4-6 while they collect donations from customers for Special Olympics; customers who donate money will receive sweet treats, ranging from a free dozen Original Glazed doughnuts to a complimentary Krispy Kreme doughnut party for those donating $1,000 or more SCHEDULE

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Krispy Kreme Doughnuts (North Seattle) 12505 Aurora Ave. N. Seattle, WA 98133 Maps & directions Friday, May 4 Add to my calendar Saturday, May 5 Add to my calendar Sunday, May 6 Add to my calendar Krispy Kreme Doughnuts (South Seattle) 1900 1st Ave. S. Seattle, WA 98134 Maps & directions Friday, May 4 Add to my calendar Saturday, May 5 Add to my calendar Sunday, May 6 Add to my calendar __________________
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Oh, Jeez, where to start with this....

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At least there's a consistency to the overall theme: Special Olympics - mentally challenged - developmentally disabled cops - doughnuts
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http://sanantoniolightning.com/donutland.jpg
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The above graphic (for those leary of clicking links): Attachment: donutland.jpg
This has been downloaded 25 time(s).

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"Results 1 - 10 of about 1,180,000 for police doughnuts"
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Police chief in Wisconsin tickets himself $235 http://www.abclocal.go.com/ktrk/sto...arre&id=5004563 (2/05/07 - KEWASKUM, WI) - Police Chief Richard Knoebel says he wasn't about to take the easy way out when he accidentally drove past a stopped school bus with its emergency lights flashing. For violating traffic laws, Knoebel wrote himself a ticket for $235, docked himself four points on his driving record and paid the fine the next day. It happened in September but didn't make news until after the
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fine appeared in court records and was reported by a West Bend newspaper. Knoebel says he doesn't mind getting the belated attention, if it serves to raise awareness. "If it brings notice to people that they should be stopping for school buses, I don't mind the notoriety," he said. He said he was on patrol on four-lane U.S. 45 when he was distracted by a stopped dump truck. He saw a car coming from behind and thought it might hit the truck, so he moved to pass the truck before he saw the stopped school bus in the far lane. He said he didn't realize he had passed the bus until it was too late. __________________
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Wednesday, February 21, 2007 Cop who ticketed self reaps praise THE ASSOCIATED PRESS http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/natio...ting_Chief.html KEWASKUM, Wis. -- A police chief who ticketed himself for a traffic violation says that he has received congratulatory e-mails from all over the globe and that he has even turned down money to cover the fine. Chief Dick Knoebel drove past a stopped school bus with its lights flashing in September, then wrote himself a ticket for $235 and docked himself four points on his driving record. The story surfaced
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after it showed up in court records and media reports. "Police officers do good things everyday, and that doesn't get reported," said Knoebel, who has been chief for 20 years in this town northwest of Milwaukee. "All you hear about in the news is when a police officer is in trouble." Knoebel said he got more than 150 e-mails from such places as Thailand, New Zealand and Russia. Two people sent him $15. "I tried to answer every e-mail," the chief said. "If they took the time to e-mail me, I at least thank them for their comments." __________________
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Originally posted by Mack "Police officers do good things everyday, and that doesn't get reported," said Knoebel, who has been chief for 20 years in this town northwest of Milwaukee. "All you hear about in the news is when a police officer is in trouble."

Absolute lie. I come across at least as many good stories as I do bad ones in my searches. Regardless, very rarely do I see reason to give the cops in the good stories praise, seeing as it's almost always a matter of them doing what their paid to do. __________________ http://www.ronpaul2008.com

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 New cane for man who fought off attacker By Sara Jean Green THOMAS JAMES HURST / THE SEATTLE TIMES http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...bnewcane06.html
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Gus Jones, 82, of Seattle, used his cane to fight off a man who police say tried to set three people on fire. The Seattle police officers called to a downtown intersection last week after a mentally ill man allegedly doused three people with lighter fluid were so impressed with the actions of Gus Jones that they've asked their guild leaders to replace Jones' aluminum cane, which was bent as the 82-year-old fended off his attacker.

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Rich O'Neill, president of the Seattle Police Officers' Guild, said the guild board recently voted to replace the expandable cane and will have it inscribed with Jones' name. O'Neill said guild leaders hope to give Jones the cane, which is like the one that was damaged, and other police souvenirs on Monday. It'll likely cost less than $80 to buy the cane and have it inscribed, he said. "Maybe if he didn't take the action he did, more people could've been hurt," O'Neill said. "He was going to fight back -- he wasn't going to be a passive victim." Last Wednesday afternoon, Jones hollered and whacked Paul Pearson on the head with his cane after Pearson allegedly dumped lighter fluid on the back of Jones' coat at Third Avenue and Union Street. Police say Pearson, 50, then sprinted over to two women, doused them with lighter fluid and lit a match, singeing their coats and one woman's hair. King County prosecutors on Friday charged Pearson with two counts of first-degree assault. He is in the King County Jail in lieu of $250,000 bail According to O'Neill, Jones tried to go to the women's aid but was held back by bystanders who feared his clothes would ignite if he got too close to the women. __________________
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If Copwatch bought the poor old dude a cane, do you think the newspapers would write an article about it? I somehow doubt it. __________________
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Hmmm, I wonder why the cops opted to replace the old man's cane rather than arrest him and charge him with assault, which seems to be standard cop M.O. whenever a citizen stands up to a violent thug when a cop isn't present. Maybe the bystanders/witnesses shamed them into it? __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson

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I bet you're right! This guy has been all over the news in recent days, and the cops probably felt they couldn't follow their usual procedure without generating negative publicity. __________________
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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - Page updated at 12:44 PM Hundreds gather in Edmonds to pay respects to fallen Brier police officer By Jennifer Sullivan Seattle Times staff reporter
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Archive | Older brother says fallen officer "deserves a hero's respect" Archive | Officer dies after struggle with former Brier mayor More than 100 police officers, who came from as far away as Adams County in Southeast Washington, clogged the streets of Edmonds this morning to participate in the funeral procession for

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Brier Police Officer Edwanton "Eddie" Thomas. The procession, which left downtown Edmonds shortly before 10:45 a.m., caused construction workers to stop, watch and hold their helmets in their hands. Jaquie Lusier and Donna Johnson of Edmonds paused during their daily walk to watch the procession. "We wanted to honor the young man," Johnson said. Dana Osborn, an operations supervisor for Community Transit, came down to make sure the buses weren't interrupting the procession as well as to pay "respects for the officer." Thomas, 28, died following an altercation Sept. 12 with former Brier Mayor Gary Starks. The Memorial service for Thomas was to begin at 11:30 a.m. at Westgate Chapel, 22901 Edmonds Way. A motorcade from the chapel to Floral Hill Cemetery at 409 Filbert Road in Lynnwood was expected to cause the closure of some streets in south Snohomish County. The graveside service was expected to begin around 3:25 p.m. today. Police and fire personel from around the state came to pay their respects to Brier Police Officer Edwanton "Eddie" Thomas. Attachment: 2003267541.jpg
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Local News: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 Brier officer dies after struggle at house By Jennifer Sullivan Seattle Times staff reporter http://archives.seattletimes.nwsour...m&date=20060913 BRIER, Snohomish County — A 28-year-old Brier police officer died at Stevens Hospital on Tuesday night after he was called to a house and ended up in a struggle with a man police identified as the former mayor of the city. The officer went to the house in the 22000 block of Vine Road in Brier at 4:40 p.m. to subdue a 55-year-old combative patient before he could be helped by medics, said Everett police spokesman Boyd Bryant. Police sources said the man is former Brier mayor Gary Starks. The medical condition made him combative, Bryant said. At some point during the struggle, the officer pressed the assistance button on his radio and said he needed help. Mountlake Terrace police officers showed up and found the officer unconscious. He was taken to the hospital, where he was pronounced dead. The man who had struggled with the officer was questioned by Mountlake Terrace police. The house where the struggle occurred belongs to Starks, and police said Starks was involved in the struggle. The officer, whose name was not released, has been with the Brier Police Department just under a year. Bryant said the officer had law enforcement experience prior to becoming a Brier officer. According to the city of Brier Web site, the South Snohomish County department has seven patrol officers. Though crime in the small city is often limited to vehicle prowls, car thefts and traffic problems, a college student was shot to death during a house party on Sept. 3. Seven teens have been arrested in connection with 21year-old Jay Clements' death. The Snohomish County Sheriff's Office, Everett police and Mountlake Terrace police are investigating, which is common when an officer dies in the line of duty. __________________
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Thursday, September 14, 2006 - Page updated at 12:00 AM Ex-mayor arrested in officer's death was known for a temper By Diane Brooks and Brian Alexander Times Snohomish County bureau http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht..._starks14m.html Gary Starks baffled and sometimes outraged his community during his 26 months as Brier mayor. Controlled, intelligent and professional in public, [GIVE ME A BREAK] and popular with his neighbors, some say he nevertheless created an atmosphere of fear and intimidation within City Hall. Those who worked closely with Starks often blamed his volatile temper on his diabetes and the apparent fluctuations in his blood-sugar levels. They said they could tell if he wasn't eating properly or taking his medication. [YEAH, SUREDIABETES CAUSES IRRATIONAL VIOLENCE...] Doctors contacted Wednesday disagreed whether diabetes could cause such angry reactions. A neighbor and others said police made frequent visits to his home, triggered by his wife's frequent 911 calls for medical assistance for his diabetic episodes. When the latest call came, late Tuesday afternoon, dispatchers asked Brier police to enter the house first to subdue Starks, 55, because he had a history of being "combative" with police and medics during medical visits, said Everett police Sgt. Boyd Bryant. Officer Edwanton "Eddie" Thomas, a 28-year-old rookie with the small department, was the first to arrive at 4:45 p.m., according to a probable-cause-for-arrest statement filed in Everett District Court. Starks was alone, so Thomas' radio dispatches provided the only witness account. He called for backup at 4:53 p.m. and pressed his radio's emergency-distress button a minute later; dispatchers could hear yelling, grunting and heavy breathing in the background. At 4:55 p.m., Thomas said Starks had a gun. A minute later, he said he had Starks in custody.

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Four minutes later, when the next officer arrived, he found Starks and Thomas lying on a bed, the probable-cause statement says. Starks was in handcuffs, and Thomas wasn't breathing. Medics couldn't revive the officer, who was declared dead at Stevens Hospital in Edmonds. The court document says there were clear signs that a struggle had taken place. Items were scattered about the room, and a piece of the bed's sideboard had broken off. A holstered handgun was lying on the floor beside the bed. The cause of death won't be determined for at least a month, the Snohomish County Medical Examiner's Office said Wednesday. The death is being investigated by the Snohomish Multi-Agency Response Team, which is composed of officers from the Everett Police Department, Snohomish County Sheriff's Office and other agencies Starks was arrested on suspicion of third-degree assault and spent the night in the Snohomish County Jail. Everett District Judge Roger Fisher released Starks to his family Wednesday, calling the death an "unfortunate incident." Prosecutors planned to meet with police today to discuss possible charges. Starks' wife, Leona Starks, yesterday referred media calls to the family pastor, the Rev. Ken Hutcherson of Antioch Bible Church in Redmond. Hutcherson also attended Starks' court hearing. Hutcherson called Starks "a great family man" who is "very committed to what he does." But Starks' diabetes sometimes makes him aggressive, he added, and in the past medics sometimes had to restrain him before giving treatment. Several endocrinologists contacted Wednesday hesitated to connect Starks' aggressive episodes to his diabetes. "We are extremely skeptical. Most endocrinologists would see this as an excuse," said Dr. Michael Shannon, a specialist at Seattle's Veterans Affairs Medical Center. "Poorly controlled diabetes might produce irritability but would be an unlikely excuse for outbursts of anger." But Dr. Mark Silver, the chairman of Stevens Hospital's Diabetes Advisory Committee, remembered one patient who sometimes became verbally aggressive and physically violent in response to fluctuating blood-sugar levels. "That kind of [aggressive] behavior may not be common, but it is possible," he said. "It's not something you'd see often, but it is there. It can happen." Starks last year scoffed at suggestions that his diabetes ever affected him on the job.

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His conflicts with his staff, and by extension the community, climaxed in May 2005 when a boisterous, angry crowd of 70 residents and former employees jammed the small Brier City Council chambers to demand his resignation. In the first 20 months after Sparks was appointed mayor, filling a vacancy, 11 of the city's 18 full-time employees, including five department heads, had been fired or quit "I've been diabetic for 30-some-odd years," he said in an interview at the time. "It has nothing to do with my so-called angermanagement problem." But many of Starks' employees and associates said otherwise last year and again Wednesday. "There definitely was a well-known predisposition to anger attacks and aggressive behavior when he wasn't taking his medication," said former City Councilwoman Sasha Reinke. The mood in City Hall on Wednesday was somber, as the tightknit staff mourned the loss of Thomas. Employees declined to discuss Starks. "We're all just trying to deal with it the best we can," said City Clerk Paula Swisher, who was fired by Starks and then rehired by new Mayor Bob Colinas. Starks, who was appointed mayor in October 2003, did not seek election last fall. Colinas took office Nov. 29. Outside, a steady stream of visitors dropped by a sidewalk memorial, leaving flowers, sharing stories and signing a sympathy book. Thomas was the newest addition to Brier's eight-member police force. He graduated from Mountlake Terrace High School in 1997 and from Everett Community College, and had worked his way up from jobs with tribal and college police agencies. He joined Brier police in January. "He had this charming baby face," said Brittany Fredette, 19, who added a red rose and a poster — it read, "You will be missed Officer Thomas, R.I.P." — to the memorial. Fredette met Thomas when he ticketed her for speeding shortly after his hire. She saw him again at the city's recent National Night Out Against Crime event. She was baby-sitting a 3year-old girl; Thomas placed the child in his squad car and showed her its cool gizmos. "He was a very personal, fun, caring nice guy," Fredette said. City Councilman Carlton Gipson, who had supported Starks as mayor and considers him a friend, was dismayed Wednesday.

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"I'd like to encourage the community to pray for the fallen officer's family and for Gary Starks' family," he said. Thomas was Brier's first police officer to die in the line of duty. The last Snohomish County law-enforcement officer to die in the line of duty was Everett police Officer Brian DiBucci, who was killed July 15, 1999, when he fell 100 feet from a highway overpass during a foot chase. ex-Mayor, Gary Starks, arrested in connection with death of officer Attachment: ex-mayor, gary starks, arrested in connection with death of officer.jpg
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The article above is so predictable and PC as to shock the conscience. - The "intelligent" Mayor - His misconduct "caused by" diabetes - The ubiquitous black Pastor stepping in to defend him

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- The Jewish doctor validating the medical excuse - The cop who pulls over an attractive 19 year old for "speeding"she later says "he's so personal" The dead (murdered?) cop. I'd guess it wouldn't be impossible to put handcuffs on oneself after a deed was done...

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Published: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 Circumstances of officer's death are puzzling By Jim Haley Herald writer BRIER - Police found odd circumstances Tuesday when they went inside a Brier home where a young police officer reportedly struggled with a man and collapsed, court papers filed today show.

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When officers arrived at the home in the 22000 block of Vine Road, they found a Brier police officer, 28, and a Brier man, 55, both on top of a bed in a back bedroom, according to documents filed in Everett District Court. The Brier man was in handcuffs. The officer was unconscious and not breathing, documents said. The Brier man was arrested early this morning for investigation of third-degree assault. He was booked into the Snohomish County Jail in Everett about 4:30 this morning, Everett police Sgt. Boyd Bryant said. The man was expected to make a court appearance later today. There were obvious signs of a struggle in the room, including items scattered about and a piece of the sideboard of the bed broken off. A pistol in a holster also was spotted on the floor beside the bed, according to court papers. The death is being investigated by a team of detectives from Everett, Mountlake Terrace and the Snohomish County Sheriff's Office.

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The decision to detain the man in connection with an assault was made in consultation with deputy prosecutors, Bryant said. The officer had gone to the home after emergency dispatchers received a report of a diabetic man in need of medical treatment, documents show. The officer was told by a dispatcher that the man in need of medical attention had a history of being aggressive to officers and aid workers while in this condition, document said. The officer requested backup from Mountlake Terrace. Although an aid crew had arrived, it was waiting for the situation to be stabilized before entering the home, according to documents. At 4:54 p.m., The officer pushed the emergency distress button on his hand-held radio. A minute later, the officer broadcast that the man with whom he was struggling had a gun. On one of the officer's radio transmissions, "yelling, grunting and heavy breathing could be heard in the background," the document said. The Brier officer was rushed to Stevens Hospital in Edmonds but efforts to revive him were unsuccessful. An autopsy is planned, officials said. __________________
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Friday, September 15, 2006 · Last updated 9:39 p.m. PT Brier police returning after mourning officer Memorial fund set up for Thomas By HECTOR CASTRO P-I REPORTER http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local..._Brier15ww.html Brier police officers are expected to be back at work Saturday patrolling their town after taking the past

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two days off for a period of mourning.

On Tuesday, o Officer Eddie Thomas, 28, died after responding to a medical aid call at the home of former Brier m Mayor Gary Starks. The former mayor was arrested and charged with third-degree assault, but released the next day and the case remains under investigation. On Saturday, Thomas' family is expected to hold a news conference at Brier City Hall, said Everett police Sgt. Boyd Bryant. The incident is being investigated by the Snohomish Multi-Agency Response Team, a coalition of law enforcement agencies, including Everett police. Investigators said Thomas responded to the Starkses' home alone after Leona Starks called 911 to report her husband was in diabetic distress and needed help. Starks had a history of being combative with aid workers, investigators have said, so a police officer was dispatched while the medical aid crews waited nearby. Thomas and Gary Starks struggled and the officer called for help. But before his backup arrived, Thomas radioed that he had Starks under control. When a second officer arrived, that officer found Starks in handcuffs and Thomas unresponsive. An autopsy did not conclude how he died and the Snohomish County Medical Examiner's Office has said it could be weeks until test results reveal the cause of death. A public memorial service for Thomas is scheduled for 11:30 a.m. Wednesday at Westgate Chapel in Edmonds. A fund to benefit the Thomas family has been set up at Sterling Savings Bank. It is called the Officer Edwanton Thomas Memorial Fund. The Lynnwood Police Officers Association has also set up an Officer Thomas Memorial Fund at Evergreen Bank. __________________
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Originally posted by Mack He called for backup at 4:53 p.m. and pressed his radio's emergency-distress button a minute later; dispatchers could hear yelling, grunting and heavy breathing in the background.
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At 4:55 p.m., Thomas said Starks had a gun. A minute later, he said he had Starks in custody. Four minutes later, when the next officer arrived, he found Starks and Thomas lying on a bed, the probable-cause statement says. Starks was in handcuffs, and Thomas wasn't breathing. Medics couldn't revive the officer, who was declared dead at Stevens Hospital in Edmonds.

Here's my analysis of the situation: Officer Starks was sexually assaulting former mayor Thomas when Thomas began struggling to defend himself from pervert Starks. During the struggle Starks reached climax, causing him to become disoriented and weak in the knees. He collapsed on the bed next to his victim who then held attacker Starks in a choke hold, resulting in his death.

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Sounds as plausible as anything the officials are coming up with. __________________
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A *** killed by a politician... BEAUTIFUL! Now maybe somewhere else in Amerika within the next few days the opposite will occur as well, just for "balance." __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom"

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"If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. â” W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)
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Thursday, September 21, 2006 - Page updated at 12:26 AM Officer's "untiring devotion" recalled By Brian Alexander http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...1_brier21m.html The service drew law-enforcement officers from the other side of the Cascades and across the border with Canada. Brier residents came out of their homes and stood in the rain to pay their respects and watch the milelong funeral processional.

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Brier Police Chief Don Lane choked down sobs as he shared memories of an officer, though on the Brier force for less than a year, who had an "untiring devotion to the citizens of Brier." Officer Edwanton "Eddie" Thomas was honored during funeral processions that lasted nearly the entire day Wednesday. Gov. Christine Gregoire's husband, Mike Gregoire, attended the memorial, as well as state and Snohomish County leaders. Hundreds of emergency personnel from across the region also came out for the officer who is "gone but not forgotten." Organizers estimated that 1,500 people were at Westgate Chapel in Edmonds for the memorial service — so many that organizers provided an overflow room with a video feed of the service. Later in the day, a couple of hundred people stood at attention in the wind and rain at a graveside service. Thomas died Sept. 12 after a struggle with a former mayor of Brier. Gary Starks had low blood sugar and was aggressive; Thomas was called to subdue him for treatment. The official cause of Thomas' death has yet to be determined. Police are still investigating the incident, and it will probably be some time before charges, if any, are brought. At the service, Thomas was remembered as a man of "great promise." Chris Herrera, a Mukilteo police officer and close friend of

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Thomas', shared memories from when the two were growing up near Lynnwood.

They both knew they wanted to be police officers from a very young age and would practice using sirens and handcuffs they bought at a local dollar store, Herrera said. They would ride their bikes in the parking lots around their apartment complex. When they would see a "suspect," which was any neighbor kid, they'd turn on the sirens, chase down the "suspect" and put him in handcuffs. "Eddie and I just never got out of that stage," he said.
Trevor Tillman, a longtime friend of Thomas', thanked the gathered uniformed personnel for supporting "my friend." In tearful remarks, Tillman spoke of things he appreciated about Thomas. "I could always look behind me and see him there," he said. "My sense of humor, my drive, are all gifts that Eddie left for me." Thomas' cousin Lovell Richardson also spoke at the memorial service. Thomas inspired him by example, motivating him to pursue a career in U.S. Customs, Richardson said. "I was looking forward to the day I could show Eddie my badge," he said. "He accomplished in 28 years of life what many couldn't in 80." Richardson said last week that Thomas was treated for heart problems a year ago and took medication for it. Richardson didn't think Thomas was still on medication, saying he was given a "clean bill of health." Other sources have also pointed to a possible heart problem as a potential cause of death. A police procession for Thomas began Wednesday morning at Mountlake Terrace High School, Thomas' high school. From there, it proceeded to downtown Edmonds. In Edmonds, construction workers stopped to watch, holding their helmets in their hands. Jaquie Lusier and Donna Johnson of Edmonds paused during their daily walk to watch the procession. "We wanted to honor the young man," Johnson said. Dana Osborn, an operations supervisor for Community
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Transit, came down to make sure the buses weren't interrupting the procession as well as to pay "respects for the officer." The procession traveled to Westgate Chapel on Edmonds Way for the service. Afterward, the procession continued to Floral Hill Cemetery. Officers and deputies closed roads as the hearse, a limousine carrying the family and dozens of police vehicles with lights flashing approached. Brier police officers stood down Wednesday for the memorial service — many took a seat with their loved ones front and center at the service. Chief Lane's comments during the memorial moved the audience to both tears and laughter.

Thomas would always approach his boss with ideas about new equipment he could get for the department for "free," and sometimes he was able to deliver.
Recently, the Brier Police Department got a computer because of Thomas' efforts, Lane said. "The citizens of our community are the true beneficiaries of Officer Thomas' commitment, dedication and service," he said. "I will forever miss coming into the office and saying, 'Hi Eddie,' and hearing his familiar 'Hey, boss.' " __________________
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Saturday, September 30, 2006 Police had been to ex-mayor's home before Brier officer slain in last Starks call By AMY ROLPH P-I REPORTER http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/287125_brier30.html The police call that led to the death of a young police officer in the home of a former Brier mayor earlier this month wasn't isolated, police reports released this week indicate. Brier police officers responded to Gary Starks' home several times during the past 10 years, and reports obtained by the P-I through a public disclosure request detail he had a history of violent diabetic episodes and insisted on keeping a gun in his home. On Sept. 13, 28-year-old Brier police Officer Eddie Thomas died in Starks' home after what sounded like a struggle to police dispatchers. Thomas had called twice for backup and told dispatchers that Starks had a gun. Starks, who was appointed mayor in 2003 after his predecessor resigned, was arrested but later released. The investigation is ongoing. Thomas had responded to an emergency medical call from Starks' wife, Leona. It wasn't the first time she had called for assistance; police records show she summoned officers to the residence in February 2003 and in December 2005 for assistance when her husband lapsed into diabetic comas. An officer reported to Starks' home on February 6, 2003, after his wife called 911 because he was not answering the phone and she was afraid he was having an insulin reaction. Starks was found in a bedroom in an agitated state, the report said. Aid workers told the reporting officer that Starks had a blood sugar level of 33; a normal blood sugar level for a non-diabetic would be about 100. "Gary became combative and it was necessary for me to restrain Gary so that glucose could be administered to him," the officer wrote. The officer noted there was a loaded .38-caliber semiautomatic handgun on the nightstand near where he found Starks. After Starks recovered, the officer advised him not to keep the handgun readily available, considering his medical condition. "Gary told me that the handgun is for 'home protection' and he would not consider getting rid of it," the report stated. The officer wrote that he spoke to Starks' wife about the handgun, and she agreed with his opinion that it was dangerous, but said her

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husband insisted on having it. On Dec. 15, 2005, officers had to force their way into the locked Starks residence to assist with another diabetic-shock emergency, but no mention was made of a gun or of Starks acting combative. On Aug.4, Starks was involved in a car accident when his blood sugar dipped to a level of 20. Witnesses said he took a turn too fast while driving a green Mercedes and crashed into another vehicle. Former Brier employees, who worked for the city during Starks' tenure as mayor, have contended he has a bad temper and a tendency to be combative. In 2004, a complaint was lodged with the police, alleging that Starks destroyed official city documents and then spoke harshly with a person whose name was redacted from a report. Another report in 2004 detailed that Starks, who was mayor at the time, asked an officer to accompany him while he demanded -- in what the officer thought was a "hostile tone" -- that a construction worker stop working one evening since it was past 7 p.m., when work in the city must stop. Police reports show he complained five times between 1996 and 1999 about a neighbor who made machinery noise in his own garage. __________________
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Wednesday, November 1, 2006 - Page updated at 12:00 AM Tests ordered to find if officer, ex-Brier mayor fought over gun By Brian Alexander Times Snohomish County Bureau http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht..._starks01m.html Snohomish County detectives are looking for fingerprints and DNA evidence on weapons recovered from the home of a former Brier mayor to try to determine whether the mayor and a police officer fought over a weapon before the officer died. The police officer, Edwanton "Eddie" Thomas, died Sept. 12 at a hospital after an apparent struggle with former Brier Mayor Gary Starks during an aid call to Starks' home. The official cause of Thomas' death has not been released, but according to a family member and court documents, Thomas had a pre-existing heart condition. During the call, Thomas said over his police radio that Starks had a gun and dispatchers could hear the two struggle, but it's unclear whether the two struggled over a firearm. When backup officers arrived a few minutes later, Starks was in handcuffs and Thomas was unconscious. A holstered gun was lying on the floor nearby. Another gun later was found hidden in the former mayor's bed. In all, Starks had 12 guns that were surrendered to police as part of the terms of his release from jail after the Sept. 12 incident. The weapons were in the Mountlake Police Department evidence room, but detectives requested a search warrant to test the weapons for DNA and fingerprints. Whether Starks and Thomas fought over control of a weapon could be a "critical" detail in determining whether Starks should be charged, and with what crime, according to a search-warrant affidavit filed in Snohomish County District Court in Everett. Snohomish County investigators assigned to the case planned to submit the 12 guns belonging to Starks to the Washington State Patrol Crime Laboratory for DNA and latent-fingerprint testing, according to the document. Among other things, lab technicians would look for Thomas' fingerprints — which could shed light on what happened between Starks and Thomas, the document says. Snohomish County Chief Criminal Deputy Prosecutor Joan Cavagnaro said there aren't any imminent plans to file charges against Starks. Starks, a diabetic, had low blood sugar at the time of the struggle. Police and paramedics were dispatched to his house to help administer aid to the former mayor.

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Starks had a history of being combative with medics during treatment for low blood sugar but would calm down soon after the treatment was administered, according to the search-warrant affidavit. __________________
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When I went to bed last night, I had 24 videos on YouTube. When I checked this morning, I had 10. Apparently some LAPD f*g got them to remove EVERYTHING about the North Hollywood Shootout!!!!! Because it did not glorify the police and make the "bad guys" look like idiotic morons, it was apparently unfit for public viewing.
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If anyone wants a vid of mine, I can send it to you over MSN messenger or AIM.
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The pig who was whining about the videos must be pretty embarassed by the publication of them. The videos exposed him and his cronies as being nothing more than incompetent, moronic imbeciles. __________________
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That's infuriating. I wish there was some way of obtaining the identity of the cop who instigated it. __________________
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Bah. I'll just upload them to another host. of me that easily!

The cops can't get rid

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I know that feeling.....I've been posting videos of the harassment that the LAPD helicopters have unleashed on me for filing an Internal Affairs complaint and woke up to the same thing. But I've started a seperate webpage that they can't touch and put links in my profile.....try doing that.
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Good luck....these as***les need to be held accountable. go to http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=maryjane1725
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Thanks for posting this, StovePipe. I've been hearing not-verynice things about YouTube from quite some time. This simply confirms in my mind that some enterprising soul out there needs to start up an alternative service that isn't dedicated to glorifying Amerifascism. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson

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accumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. — W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)
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Google bought youtube today ($1.65 billion)... I wonder if anything will change. __________________
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Originally posted by GC505 Google bought youtube today ($1.65 billion)... I wonder if anything will change.

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Speaking of that, I've been hanging around youtube as RoffleWaffle223. They can ban me as many times as they want, I'll just keep coming back.
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Go to infowars.com and read the article about homeland security targeting bloggers. THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!
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http://news.bostonherald.com/column...rticleid=148907 I would ask Mr. Fitzgerald how he would feel if his own kid's backyard birthday party were interrupted in such a manner (oh wait, that NEVER happens in middle-class neighborhoods populated by good upstanding Irish citizens). If you missed it, a rookie Boston cop was in full pursuit of a suspect, whom he believed might be armed, when the chase led them through a yard where a children’s birthday party was in progress. "Believed might be armed?" We all know what happens to people whom cops "believe might be" armed. The parents of the

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birthday party kids knew this too, which explains what happened next. “It was difficult to make out his exact words, other than screaming for help, because while he was on the ground with this guy, partygoers began pelting him with Pepsi cans, sets of keys, anything they could find. Some actually began to kick and punch him.” Of course. Being lower-income minority residents of a Boston neighborhood, they know that they (and their kids) are in infinitely more danger from Boston's rogue, racist cops than from whatever perps said cops may be chasing. During the melee, Gero’s cell phone was ripped from the pocket of his shirt, so, after the arrest was made, he returned to retrieve it. “Everyone played dumb,” McCarthy said. “No one knew what happened to the officer’s phone.” That was Sunday night, and not one political or pastoral leader in Roxbury, Dorchester and Mattapan has seen fit to acknowledge, much less condemn, the unconscionable behavior of that cowardly mob. There hasn’t been a single a peep of outrage. First of all, the stupid porko should have known better than to have his cellphone unsecured on his person, knowing the likelihood of its loss in the event that he was "forced" to give chase. More importantly, how can Mr. Fitzgerald call any "mob" (i.e., large number of citizens banded together for a common purpose) "cowardly" when they had the guts to defend their children and property from an armed and probably belligerently violent thug who considered himself in mortal danger (without any real evidence) and would probably have opened fire on the first person who even looked at him the wrong way, including children? To me, these people are braver than any cop. “Here we are, in the peak of summer,” McCarthy noted, “when everyone’s looking for more cops, and these folks had one in their own backyard, but didn’t want him there. They could have assisted the officer, or at least not impeded him, and yet they did neither; in fact, they did everything they could to prevent him from doing his job.” Typically arrogant porko proclamation in which it is assumed that all of a demographic segment of citizenry "wants" cops present in their neighborhood because some self-anointed "community leader" said so. For the kids looking on, it was a riveting display of warped values, a disgraceful endorsement of a mindset “community leaders” profess to abhor.
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“The kids witnessed adults encouraging the bad guy to get away,” McCarthy pointed out. “That was the message the adults gave them, loud and clear: Beat up the police and help the bad guy get away. You’d think they wouldn’t want someone like that running through their children’s party. But nothing’s unbelievable to me anymore.” Sure, ignore all the violence and mayhem that cops create in the community and then blame the victims. These parents were teaching their kids a sad truth: the "perp" whom the cop is chasing is more often than not harmless compared to the cop chasing him. My guess too is that the perp whom the cop was chasing did less damage to property and person than the cop in pursuit. Damon Mercer, who’s been a Boston firefighter for 22 years, once explained to an assembly of Mattapan eighthgraders how he chose his profession. “Growing up in Mission Hill,” he said, “I’d see people applauding firefighters, knowing they had come to help. I’d hear of Officer Friendly, but in my mind Mr. Friendly was always a firefighter. People would get mad at the police, especially when they came to lock up someone, but firefighters never made anyone mad.” Exactly! Unlike cops, firefighters and their EMT colleagues actually render an essential service to members of the community that the community both wants and needs. The only time you usually ever hear of a firefighter destroying property is when he or she is attempting to save the life of someone trapped in it. Cops, on the other hand, do so gratuitously on a regular basis for no other reason that they can and that the owners of said property are members of demographic groups that the cops dislike. “That’s pretty much how it is,” [McCarthy] agreed. “When we show up, no one’s waiting to say, ‘Hey, great to see you today!’ That's because you almost always show up uninvited, looking for trouble, and ready to trample the civil rights and property of the citizens you encounter. Why don't you take the hint, asshole? “Still, there’s no excuse for what happened to Officer Gero. Imagine if one of those kids had been hurt by the suspect he was trying to apprehend; he’d have been ripped for not protecting them. Instead he got beaten up for it. “Yet he was back at roll call Monday night, ready to do it again.”

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Oh, waaaaah! THAT'S HIS F***ING JOB! If he can't stand the heat in the kitchen, let him go out and get a real job that doesn't depend on stolen taxpayer dollars. Methinks Mr. Fitzgerald comes from a long line of stereotypical Boston Irish cops: corrupt, thieving drunks and bullies who beat their wives and kids and generally run roughshod over the citizenry, particularly if they are not of "European" origin. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the everaccumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. â” W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)
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“It was difficult to make out his exact words, other than screaming for help, because while he was on the ground with this guy, partygoers began pelting him with Pepsi cans, sets of keys, anything they could find. Some actually began to kick and punch him.” Laughing. Out. Loud. __________________
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http://www.hamiltonspectator.com/NA...l=1112101662670 Rural Canada's Cop Haters 'Ticking time bombs,' says criminologist By Judy Monchuk The Canadian Press (Jul 18, 2006)
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An Alberta criminologist says rural Canada's idyllic image as a peaceful and protected oasis from big city danger is a myth that often hides "nasty little cauldrons" of police haters. As the country reels from the deaths of two Saskatchewan

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RCMP officers, Bill Pitt said the rural landscape is littered with "ticking time bombs" like alleged killer Curtis Dagenais -socially marginalized people who hate police authority and are increasingly willing to act on those feelings. "Rural areas can be a very dangerous place to be, it can almost set you up to the point where there's a false sense of security," said the former Mountie who teaches at the University of Alberta. Pitt said on the surface, working in a small town where everyone knows each other would appear to be the picture of safety. "It belies the fact that there are a lot of weapons in these rural areas, there are a lot of people (who) have been socially marginalized ... and there are people who have a willingness to use firearms," he explained. "When you start peeling back the layers, (small towns) can be as dangerous, if not more dangerous, than urban areas." Canadians were jolted into that reality by the 2005 ambush deaths of four Mounties in Mayerthorpe, Alta., by James Roszko, who then killed himself. There are other communities across the country where police officers don't want to be transferred, where they perceive the threats to their safety are higher. "They're not as rare as you might think," said Pitt. "It's like these little pockets of anomalies that gain reputations of having bad relations with police, that have people (who) are openly cop haters." The RCMP patrols much of rural Canada, vast stretches of wilderness populated by tiny pockets of civilization. But a top Mountie doesn't believe those areas pose a higher risk. "The notion that there are ticking time bombs living in our communities is real," said Chief Superintendent Mike Woods, who oversees community policing for the RCMP. "There are people who have problems, issues, concerns with authority. But I think those kinds of problems exist as much in rural as urban communities." A Saskatchewan social worker with 30 years experience said the difference is the way risks can be handled in urban areas. Hirsch Greenberg said social agencies and crisis centres that can intervene at an earlier stage in cities usually don't exist in rural areas. That makes domestic situations, potentially the highest risk situations for police, more dangerous. "What's different in a rural setting is that police don't have the
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backup, they become the last resort, they become the net," said Greenberg, who teaches justice studies at the University of Regina. "The critical point ... the crisis ... tends to fester longer, and when something does happen, it explodes in a much more violent way because there's no way to catch the buildup. Emotions that could be tempered earlier tend to fester." Pitt maintains that the degree of danger has ratcheted up in recent years. He said the Spiritwood slayings may ignite public debate over bringing back the death penalty for cop killers. "Going after police officers has become much more of an option. People don't think they will be punished." ----END------Amazing how lapdog-compliant the MSM are when it comes to "murders" of cops (which, with just a little bit of effortless digging, most journalists will find aren't "murders" at all, but killings by citizens defending themselves from assault by violent, lawless swine), yet they never treat crimes by rogue cops for what they are: "hate crimes" by cops against those they allegedly swear an oath to protect (an oath none of them take seriously, assuming they're even sober enough at the time they take it to even know what they're committing themselves to). __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the everaccumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. — W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)
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The time-bomb was a dud, apparently. __________________
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Originally posted by liberranter ...rural Canada often hides "nasty little cauldrons" of police haters. ...there are a lot of weapons in these rural areas, there are a lot of people (who) have been socially marginalized ... there are people who have a willingness to use firearms,"... people (who) are openly cop haters." ..."There are people who have problems, issues, concerns with authority.

Wow, this sounds great! Rylan, maybe Canada is indeed a decent country to move to, (even if Canadians have fewer free-speech rights and more restrictive gun laws). Canada's heading downhill very quickly, but this give me hope. __________________
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MISSION STATEMENT The mission of the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund is to generate increased public support for the law enforcement profession by permanently recording and appropriately commemorating the service and sacrifice of law enforcement officers; and to provide information that will help promote law enforcement safety. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------GOALS AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS Built the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial, which is visited by more than 200,000 people annually. Established and now operate the Memorial Museum and Visitors Center.

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Collected and catalogued information on more than 17,500 law enforcement fatalities. Published the book, To Serve and Protect-A Tribute to American Law Enforcement. Successfully lobbied for a federal law requiring all American flags to be lowered to half-staff on "Peace Officers Memorial Day" (May 15th each year). Successfully lobbied for a federal law authorizing the U.S. Mint to issue 500,000 National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Commemorative Silver Dollars. Approximately $1.5 million in proceeds were raised for maintenance and repair of the Memorial. Created and now maintain an Internet Web Site, which includes a complete listing of all law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty (www.nleomf.com). Conduct an annual Candlelight Vigil attended by more than 18,000 people to honor fallen officers and to announce the Roll Call of new officer names added to the Memorial walls. Successfully lobbied for a federal law (P.L. 106-492) which authorizes the building of a national law enforcement museum on federal property at Judiciary Square in Washington, D.C. Construction is expected to begin in 2007, with opening scheduled for 2009. The $80 million required to build the National Law Enforcement Museum must be raised privately; as such, the NLEOMF has embarked on A Matter of Honor: The Campaign to Build the National Law Enforcement Museum.

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Originally cited by Mack Successfully lobbied for a federal law (P.L. 106-492) which authorizes the building of a national law enforcement museum on federal property at Judiciary Square in Washington, D.C. Construction is expected to begin in 2007, with opening scheduled for 2009. The $80 million required to build the National Law Enforcement Museum must be raised privately; as such, the NLEOMF has embarked on A Matter of Honor: The Campaign to Build the National Law Enforcement Museum.

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So the Brotherhood of Porkos spent taxpayer dollars to lobby the thieves of those dollars for a monument to themselves in the national capitol, to be built with additional stolen taxpayer dollars (don't believe for a second that only "private" funds will be used)? Par for the course. I wonder if anyone could successfully lobby to have a monument built right next to this one (to be funded ENTIRELY with PRIVATE DONATIONS, of course) commemorating those hundreds of thousands, if not MILLIONS of citizens since the founding of the republic who have been unjustly killed by the State. Not just by LE, but by the judiciary and the executive branches (local, state and federal) as well. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." - Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the ever-accumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. — W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)
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listed on the ODMP is found to not meet the criteria, the officer will be removed from the ODMP. QUALIFYING CAUSES OF DEATH Felonious Causes - Any law enforcement officer who is killed in a felonious way as a result of a line of duty incident. Accidental Causes - Any law enforcement officer who dies in an accidental way as a result of a line of duty incident. The category "Gunfire (Accidental)" is defined as an incident in which an officer is the victim of an accidental/unintentional discharge of a firearm by the victim officer or another officer; is the victim a case of mistaken identity by another officer; or, is fatally wounded as the result of friendly-fire during a shooting involving one or more suspects and one or more other officers. The category "Gunfire" is defined as any incident in which an officer is the victim of a shooting by a criminal in the commission of a crime; or, is the victim of a discharge of a weapon by a civilian. Natural Causes - Any law enforcement officer who dies of natural causes (heart attack, brain aneurysm, etc.) due to physical exertion during a stressful event while on duty. Example scenarios: Struggle with a suspect Foot chase or other pursuit of a suspect Health Related Causes - Any law enforcement officer who dies as a result of any health related cause (illness, disease, infection, etc.) that is a direct result of the officer's law enforcement duties. Example scenarios: Contraction of an infectious disease or illness such as Hepatitis or AIDS Contraction of an infection or illness as a result of a duty related illness Health related issues due to a HAZMAT incident Evidence of a direct relation between a duty related incident and the contraction of a disease or illness much be presented in the form of official documentation.
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I commented on it here: A Look At Police Officer Deaths In 2006 __________________
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Police: 54 guns found in teen's home David Ludwig charged with killing girlfriend's parents Friday, November 18, 2005; Posted: 1:46 a.m. EST (06:46 GMT) LITITZ, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Police seized 54 guns from the home of an 18-year-old man charged with killing his girlfriend's parents and fleeing the state with her, according to court documents filed Thursday.

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Warwick Township police removed the collection of rifles, shotguns, handguns and ammunition Sunday from the home where suspect David Ludwig lived with his parents. The search occurred as police were still trying to find him and 14-year-old Kara Beth Borden. Ludwig was being held without bail on murder and kidnapping charges after being flown back to Pennsylvania on Tuesday from Indiana, where police captured him following a chase. Police allege Ludwig shot Michael and Cathryn Borden on Sunday at their home in Lititz following an argument over his relationship with Kara. The two had been dating, apparently secretly, according to friends and witnesses. (Watch video on the teens' secret lives -2:34) Ludwig was arrested Monday after crashing his parents' car into a tree in Belleville, Indiana, about 600 miles from the murder scene, during a police chase. Neither Ludwig nor the girl, who has not been charged, was injured in the crash. (See map of teens trail) Investigators have said they are treating Kara Borden as a victim but that the investigation is continuing. Ludwig's parents, Gregory and Jane Ludwig, issued a statement Wednesday expressing their sorrow over the slayings but have not spoken publicly. They have not returned multiple phone messages seeking comment. It was unclear whether the confiscated weapons belonged to Ludwig or his parents. David Ludwig apparently was an avid hunter and posted 20 pictures labeled "Hunting 2004" on a Web site that included an image of him posing with freshly killed deer. Neither of Ludwig's parents is licensed as a firearms dealer or collector, according to the national licensing center of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Police were not immediately available Thursday to comment on the search. Lancaster County District Attorney Donald Totaro declined to comment, and attorneys for Ludwig did not immediately return telephone calls seeking comment. The Bordens were each shot once in the head with what authorities said was probably a .40-caliber handgun.

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If convicted, Ludwig could face life in prison. The prosecutor in the case said he's still trying to decide whether to pursue the death penalty.

(Emphasis added) Since when does privately owning 54 firearms require an FFL or a collector's license? In regards to RKBA, I detect some anti-gun media spin/fear propaganda/misinformation in this story. __________________ Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet! -- General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Coimhead fearg fhear na foighde ~ (Beware the anger of a patient man) - Irish/Gaelic phrase
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I also have no idea as to why owning 54 guns requires a license of sorts. It may be that after a certain number it's considered an arsenal of weapons. Or possibly that some of the 54 guns were automatics or had an assault ban on them, where you wouldn't own them. Just the same however, he has been charged with murder. If he had access to the weapons, and used the weapons, a felon can't own or use a weapon, they would indeed be taken away. There most likely is a little media spin on the article, but it still stands a felon can't own a gun. __________________ One out of five people have a mental illness. Think of your 4 closest friends, if they're fine... You have it
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Cheif, surely you know that this was a Juvenile. An Automatic? I don't think you are the police sweetheart. __________________ Formerly "God Cop"
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Originally posted by The Chief <cut> There most likely is a little media spin on the article, but it still stands a felon can't own a gun.

I honestly do not see anywhere in the article where they mention that the parents are felons or the the teen was a convicted felon. If I missed it, please point it out to me. I would appreciate it. __________________ Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet! -- General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Coimhead fearg fhear na foighde ~ (Beware the anger of a patient man) - Irish/Gaelic phrase
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Originally posted by The Chief <cut> Or possibly that some of the 54 guns were automatics <cut>

I am sure that if there were untaxed NFA weapons in the 54, it WOULD have been included in the story.... thus, I don't buy into that speculation. Even then, a collector's license would not cover NFA weapons. Likewise an FFL would not cover untaxed NFA weapons unless the parent(s) were gunsmith(s)... in which case I would have expected that to be reported in the story. The jack booted thugs reported NO collector's license and NO FFL. It was media propaganda, pure and simple IMHO. __________________ Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet! -- General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Coimhead fearg fhear na foighde ~ (Beware the anger of a patient man) - Irish/Gaelic phrase
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JmE
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Originally posted by The Chief <cut> Just the same however, he has been charged with murder. If he had access to the weapons, and used the weapons, a felon can't own or use a weapon, they would indeed be taken away. <cut>

Am I missing it in the article or at the time it was written he was NOT convicted of anything and his parents are not reported as being felons. So is this suspect a felon before a trial? What happened to due process before calling him or anyone else a felon? __________________ Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet! -- General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Coimhead fearg fhear na foighde ~ (Beware the anger of a patient man) - Irish/Gaelic phrase
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11-21-2005 03:32 AM

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Originally posted by JmE Am I missing it in the article or at the time it was written he was NOT convicted of anything and his parents are not reported as being felons. So is this suspect a felon before a trial? What happened to due process before calling him or anyone else a felon?

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I'm sure there is more to this story than just this little snippet of article. Just the same, from what I got out of the article, the handgun used to commit the murders was recovered with the cache of weapons. That may make the weapons evidence, making them the state's property. But, I'm not familiar with that state's laws and would need more info on the whole situation to give a clearer cut answer. And LE, 18 isn't a minor. 18 year olds can't own hanguns though. "Police seized 54 guns from the home of an 18-year-old man charged with killing his girlfriend's parents and fleeing the state with her, according to court documents filed Thursday." __________________ One out of five people have a mental illness. Think of your 4 closest friends, if they're fine... You have it
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Originally posted by The Chief I'm sure there is more to this story than just this little snippet of article. Just the same, from what I got out of the article, the handgun used to commit the murders was recovered with the cache of weapons. That may make the weapons evidence, making them the state's property. But, I'm not familiar with that state's laws and would need more info on the whole situation to give a clearer cut answer. <cut>

I love y'alls useage of the word 'cache'. LOL Of course there is more to this story than just this article. However, we are discussing this article. Please attempt to stay with the topic and by all means, please at least try to answer my questions directly if you wish to address them. So far you have not directly done so. __________________ Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet! -- General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson

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11-21-2005 10:54 AM

JmE
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Originally posted by The Chief <cut> That may make the weapons evidence, making them the state's property. But, I'm not familiar with that state's laws and would need more info on the whole situation to give a clearer cut answer. <cut>

Here again, and correct me if I am missing it, but you were the one referring to the suspect/charged individual and/or his parent(s) as felon(s)... NOT the article. Where is that stated in the posted article? __________________ Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet! -- General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Coimhead fearg fhear na foighde ~ (Beware the anger of a patient man) - Irish/Gaelic phrase
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Well, what questions do you have then? "Since when does privately owning 54 firearms require an FFL or a collector's license?" I'm sure I already answered that one. And as to this one: "So is this suspect a felon before a trial? What happened to due process before calling him or anyone else a felon?" I answered that also, since an 18 year old can't possess a handgun. It also needs to be determined if any of the other 54 weapons were used in the crime or another murder. By that murder weapon being a part of the collection of weapons, those weapons become evidence. Not satisfied? Ask me another. __________________ One out of five people have a mental illness. Think of your 4 closest friends, if they're fine... You have it
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Originally posted by The Chief Well, what questions do you have then?
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"Since when does privately owning 54 firearms require an FFL or a collector's license?" I'm sure I already answered that one. And as to this one: "So is this suspect a felon before a trial? What happened to due process before calling him or anyone else a felon?" I answered that also, since an 18 year old can't possess a hand-gun. It also needs to be determined if any of the other 54 weapons were used in the crime or another murder. By that murder weapon being a part of the collection of

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weapons, those weapons become evidence. Not satisfied? Ask me another.

Yes, you 'sort of answered' the first question, but continued on with more speculation and gratuitous assertions. Thus arose more questions. As far as an 18 y/o in possession of a handgun, he had not been to trial at the time of the article so where do you get off calling him or his parents felons? What proof from the article? Do you understand due process? As for restating the questions... they are in the thread. Find them and answer them directly or do not. It is your choice. I am not going to waste my time assisting you with remedial literacy. __________________ Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet! -- General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Coimhead fearg fhear na foighde ~ (Beware the anger of a patient man) - Irish/Gaelic phrase
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11-21-2005 11:15 AM

The Chief
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You're not getting the handgun part. It was used in a murder, and it then became state's property. If it was found with the other weapons, they too can be taken as evidence. The small article isn't much for anyone to go on, so that's why I give you theories as answers, sinc ethe real ones won't be known without more information. __________________ One out of five people have a mental illness. Think of your 4 closest friends, if they're fine... You have it
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JmE
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Originally posted by The Chief You're not getting the handgun part. It was used in a murder, and it then became state's property. If it was found with the other weapons, they too can be taken as evidence. The small article isn't much for anyone to go on, so that's why I give you theories as answers, sinc ethe real ones won't be known without more information.

I did get your point the first time. My question was "How can you call the suspect/charged individual and/or his parent(s) felons before trial?" In the article we are discussing, has he or have they been found guilty through due process at that point? NO! Therefore, from whence does this "felon' label you used come? I understand about removing firearms during and investigation (I don't personally or politically agree with it, but understand the legal underpinnings of the action). THAT was not the question! __________________ Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet! -- General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Coimhead fearg fhear na foighde ~ (Beware the anger of a patient man) - Irish/Gaelic phrase
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I called the kid a felon, since that's what he now is. Did he not flee the state after criminal allegations were alleged on him? Does that not make him a fugitive/felon, since he did run? I'm pretty sure it does, hence, felon. __________________ One out of five people have a mental illness. Think of your 4 closest friends, if they're fine... You have it
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11-21-2005 11:46 AM

JmE
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Originally posted by The Chief I called the kid a felon, since that's what he now is. Did he not flee the state after criminal allegations were alleged on him? Does that not make him a fugitive/felon, since he did run? I'm pretty sure it does, hence, felon.

Perhaps you are correct. However, was he found guilty in absentia? If not, he is still not a felon until he has been afforded due process; flight or no flight. Often times people that take flight are called ‘felons’ when in reality they are suspects in flight from felony charges. In such cases, a warrant is often issued and then the case is heard. They are not automatically felons until they are found guilty (and that can be in absentia, but there is no indication of that in the article). Hence, I believe your post was jumping around due process. Aren’t you supposed to know at least a little about these things as a requirement of your ‘job’? Nowhere in the article do I read that he was found guilty of anything. Also, how are the parents automatically felons by your post and from the information given in the article? Hopefully someone with more legal knowledge than either of us can jump in and clarify. __________________ Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet! -- General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson
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11-21-2005 11:58 AM

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Hey L.E. Hero, Matt1, Navy, etc... Please jump in on my comment regarding felon vs. flight from felony charge(s) if you have a definitive answer (hopefully with some links.) To the rest, please do not flame them if they do respond on this one... Posts from attorneys might be nice to clarify this question as well. __________________ Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet! -- General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Coimhead fearg fhear na foighde ~ (Beware the anger of a patient man) - Irish/Gaelic phrase
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11-21-2005 12:07 PM

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Please allow me to clarify my take on this whole "flight=felon" statement. I did not read in the article where the suspect/charged individual had been arraigned, arrested, or even interviewed by LE before the alleged 'flight'. As such, how can he be labeled a felon based upon details the article posted unless he is found guilty in absentia? From my viewpoint, it is incorrect to call the suspect/charged individual a felon based upon the posted article. __________________ Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet! -- General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Coimhead fearg fhear na foighde ~ (Beware the anger of a patient man) - Irish/Gaelic phrase
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11-21-2005 02:02 PM

L.E. Hero
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Cheif, surely you know that this was a Juvenile. An Automatic?

Just a little sarcasm Chief. The media refers to adults as teens and semi-automatic firearms as automatics. JME, I think "convicted felon" are the two important words here I don't see convicted felon anywhere in the article. Fleeing felon is sometimes used when describing someone who has committed a felony and is trying to elude capture. It doesn't neccessarily reflect the person's prior convictions.

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JmE
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Originally posted by L.E. Hero Just a little sarcasm Chief. The media refers to adults as teens and semi-automatic firearms as automatics. JME, I think "convicted felon" are the two important words here I don't see convicted felon anywhere in the article. Fleeing felon is sometimes used when describing someone who has committed a felony and is trying to elude capture. It doesn't neccessarily reflect the person's prior convictions.

I was referring to the Doughnut Chef's calling the suspect/charged individual and/or his parent(s) felon(s). Until they are found as such through due process, they are NOT felons. He was referring to them not being able to own firearms because they are felons. They would have to be CONVICTED for that to be true. So, using your own semantics, he was implying convicted felon as he was attributing a disability to own firearms before the fact. You knew what I meant as I was very clear about it. :sniper: __________________ Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet! -- General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Coimhead fearg fhear na foighde ~ (Beware the anger of a patient man) - Irish/Gaelic phrase
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11-22-2005 04:40 PM

The Chief
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How about this then: The weapons were taken as evidence in relation to the shootings. Can it be that simple enough? I think it can. __________________ One out of five people have a mental illness. Think of your 4 closest friends, if they're fine... You have it
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JmE
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Originally posted by The Chief How about this then:
Registered: Aug 2005 Location: Directly behind you Posts: 861

The weapons were taken as evidence in relation to the shootings. Can it be that simple enough? I think it can.

You still have not answered. It would be a lie, of course, but... __________________ Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet! -- General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson
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I respectfully dissent without further mooting cum hoc ergo propter hoc distinction of inalienable rights based upon genotype of any H. s. sapiens. -JmE, 'Heinz 57' Inspiration & Hope: "G_d, I know, will provide," sighed one disconsolate Jew. "I only wish He would provide until He provides." There is nothing new under the Sun. Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

11-23-2005 02:38 AM

JmE
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Originally posted by L.E. Hero <cut> Fleeing felon is sometimes used when describing someone who has committed a felony and is trying to elude capture. It doesn't neccessarily reflect the person's prior convictions.

Actually, no... a suspect (or individual) that is not yet a convicted felon fleeing (or simply leaving) an area is NOT a fleeing felon. They are a suspect (or individual) fleeing (or simply leaving) an area at which a felony may have been comitted. A person is not a felon, fleeing or not, without due process. Any other usage is contrary to freedom: presumption of guilt before innocence and lack of due process. Chasing and apprehending does not automatically make an individual a felon without due process. __________________ Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet! -- General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Coimhead fearg fhear na foighde ~ (Beware the anger of a patient man) - Irish/Gaelic phrase
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Originally posted by The Chief <cut> There most likely is a little media spin on the article, but it still stands a felon can't own a gun.

This is not spam. I am posting it in case you conveniently 'forgot' what you originally posted and that which we were discussing. __________________ Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet! -- General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Coimhead fearg fhear na foighde ~ (Beware the anger of a patient man) - Irish/Gaelic phrase
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11-23-2005 02:53 AM

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The Chief
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Originally posted by JmE Actually, no... a suspect (or individual) that is not yet a convicted felon fleeing (or simply leaving) an area is NOT a fleeing felon. They are a suspect (or individual) fleeing (or simply leaving) an area at which a felony may have been comitted. A person is not a felon, fleeing or not, without due process. Any other usage is contrary to freedom: presumption of guilt before innocence and lack of due process. Chasing and apprehending does not automatically make an individual a felon without due process.

Actually, you're wrong. Up till around the late seventies, we had a shoot to kill (option) on fleeing felons. Cops were allowed to shoot people that were running that just committed a felony in their presence. I'm not sure if the law still stand though in other states, Wisconsin got rid of it in the 70's. But, a person running can indeed be a fleeing felon, due process or not. Until they are proven innocent, they are suspected of having committed the crime. Otherwise, until proven guilty, a person wouldn't be put in handcuffs or booked, as they would have done no crime yet. And yes, I do know what I said from before, and what we are discussing. __________________ One out of five people have a mental illness. Think of your 4 closest friends, if they're fine... You have it
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Originally posted by The Chief Actually, you're wrong. Up till around the late seventies, we had a shoot to kill (option) on fleeing felons. Cops were allowed to shoot people that were running that just committed a felony in their presence. I'm not sure if the law still stand though in other states, Wisconsin got rid of it in the 70's. But, a person running can indeed be a fleeing felon, due process or not. Until they are proven innocent, they are suspected of having committed the crime. Otherwise, until proven guilty, a person wouldn't be put in handcuffs or booked, as they would have done no crime yet. And yes, I do know what I said from before, and what we are discussing.

And yet you still do not answer the question... LOL __________________ Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet! -- General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Coimhead fearg fhear na foighde ~ (Beware the anger of a patient man) - Irish/Gaelic phrase
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Actually, you're wrong. Up till around the late seventies, we had a shoot to kill (option) on fleeing felons. Cops were allowed to shoot people that were running that just committed a felony in their presence. I'm not sure if the law still stand though in other states, Wisconsin got rid of it in the 70's. But, a person running can indeed be a fleeing felon, due process or not. Until they are proven innocent, they are suspected of having committed the crime. Otherwise, until proven guilty, a person wouldn't be put in handcuffs or booked, as they would have done no crime yet. And yes, I do know what I said from before, and what we are discussing.

This is true. Generally, the fleeing felon rule applies to someone who is suspected of committing a felony and fleeing. In order to meet the criteria to shoot this person(even in the back)the officer has to be able to articulate that by allowing this person to elude capture that he will possibly kill or seriously injure someone. Example. You get a call for gunshotwound. You arrive on scene to find an armed person shoot TWO people. As he runs away he yells "I am going to kill all people by shooting them". This means the officer can shoot the guy in the back if neccessary. Tenesse vs. Garner. Mandatory case law in my opinion. __________________ Formerly "God Cop"
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JmE
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However, it still did not answer the question at hand. The question relies on the context, not just one word... ie Felon. I want to see the slippery little nazi liar answer it directly. It is his choice to do so or not.

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xtratabasco
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This is a 24/7 Internet radio program that only discusses 9-11. You know the 911 that gave us the fake war on terror. It contains dozens and dozens of guests, such as experts, witnesses, politicians, police and firemen, engineers and chemists. It is a must listen too web site and link access to the "designed 911" that the government gave us. There are hundreds of people dedicated to the truth and pulling the curtain down on the government lies of 911. They have given there time, money, reputations, and in some cases their lives have been threatened. Please give this link a chance to give you something the main stream media wont...The truth.

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Cant you give an hour or two too listen to the truth. http://www.911truthradio.com/ Yes its disturbing..........and if you can stand tall, it will change your life forever.
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monaliveson
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ok, I took the bait and listened. What a crock of s h i t. They think the planes that hit the towers were holograms???? I noticed you are from Colorado........is there something in the water there because you sound as looney as dumbcan. I love how this site will on one hand call the gov't dumb and full of idiots yet they are smart enough to pull off these huge stories...........oh please.........give it up already.
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1,000 reward

I will give you 1,000 or anybody a 1,000 reward for pictures of the 757 plane the government says hit the Pentagon. 1,000. reply when you have them and I will give you 1,000. Until that keep sucking the governments dck
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I am sure you enjoy getting your dick suck now dont ya???? You probably don't even have 1000 bucks fool. And I know what you are talking about. I think about everyone has seen that site with the video on the pentagon. I don't think we will know everything about that day as I myself often wonder if a fighter jet took down that plane in PA vs the passengers. But our country was under attack and was not prepared so I am sure many mistakes occured but it was panic...it happens. If the gov't had to make the decision to take out a US plane to protect those on the ground etc, then so be it. War is not nice and people die.

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911 was not faked....the terrorist have no problem telling everyone either. As for the pentagon.....I will say there is some question there. But I think it is probably a military mistake and those do not always get broadcasted. (lets see mr military duncan defend that one when he attacks cops all the time). It is possible a fighter jet went to fire on something and hit the pentagon by mistake. Terrible, yes, does it make our gov't evil, no. Considering everything going on that day I think our country did a pretty good job of gaining control back. I mean hell, I didn't think they could get that many planes back to the ground that fast, it had never been done. But they did it. Hopefully we are better prepared today to handle attacks. Remember, it was the first attack on our land since Pearl Harbor by outsiders. We were not ready, plain and simple.
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1,000 reward, no 2,000 reward

Pearl Harbor was not a surprise either. lol since your so keen on "whats going on" I will double it too a 2,000 reward, in honor of you! take it up. its gotta be better than sucking bushs(governments) stick. Cop or not. You are a groveler, prue and simple.
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monaliveson
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Well you made your point......you are an idiot. Go play your games some place else, or play with dumbcan.
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lol/groveler
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A hologram? First time I have heard that one. I do beleive that a military plane could have taken down that jetliner. __________________ You have the right to reman silent. That means shut-up.
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yeah, xt posted this url to this radio station and I went and listend and that happend to be that days topic. Can only imagine what else they talk about.......maybe it was purple people eaters that attacked us. I also would not be surpised if we took down the jetliner or mis fired a missle.......war is not perfect.
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Oh man, nice try on rewriting history here. You actually believe a hologram hit the Pentagon? You're nuttier than squirrel terds, and so is everyone that believes it. And let me guess, a hologram hit the WTC too?

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Originally posted by The Chief Oh man, nice try on rewriting history here. You actually believe a hologram hit the Pentagon? You're nuttier than squirrel terds, and so is everyone that believes it. And let me guess, a hologram hit the WTC too? Gotta love conspiracy theorists, they're always good for a few laughs

did you listen to the show, no you didnt you posted from mona the resident troll. LOL Just another piq troll.
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It's tough to listen, when the site was "Shut down" and the link to the sound doesn't work. But that's my fault for not listening right? Just take a step back xtra and think about what you're saying... A hologram hit the Pentagon. I broad daylight... Have you been to DC? If you have, and had seen the Pentagon, you'd see the freeway right there. Most of the witnesses came from that freeway. It's hard to miss a 757 hitting the Pentagon. The same plane that left this wreckage: http://photos1.blogger.com/img/115/...20on%20lawn.jpg Which just so happens to be parts of the same plane that was taken over by terrorists. But, you must believe the plane was dismantled in the sky by aliens, and dropped on the Pentagon lawn by Bush himself. You conspiracy Theories have more holes than swiss cheese __________________ One out of five people have a mental illness. Think of your 4 closest friends, if they're fine... You have it
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if your really a christian cop,then you should beable to think for yourself.the problem is that people take everything the news media an govt says as gospel truth. go to jack mclambs website and get the truth--that is if you are a real christian and not by title only.
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Originally posted by kodiak if your really a christian cop,then you should beable to think for yourself.the problem is that people take everything the news media an govt says as gospel truth. go to jack mclambs website and get the truth--that is if you are a real christian and not by title only.

The chief thinks Jack is Bull ****. but who gives a rats ass what this fake christian child molester thinks. http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...54357#post54357 quote:Originally posted by The Chief And this forum is for recognition of good cops... Not ex-cops that worked as crooked politicians Now get out of here, scram you dirty varmin!

well it came from Jack mcLamb Americas most decortated cop's website. http://www.patriotamerica.com/JackMcLamb/JackMcLamb.htm

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But your right. I forgot that all cops are Nazis and all cops who say they are Christians are maggots in Gods eyes. Because we all know that cops are criminals and liars.
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Originally posted by kodiak if your really a christian cop,then you should beable to think for yourself.the problem is that people take everything the news media an govt says as gospel truth. go to jack mclambs website and get the truth--that is if you are a real christian and not by title only.

I make my own mind up on many issues. I hardly believe what the media says, which is why I hardly link in in my posts. As for Jack Mclamb, I just stoped at the website. Again, I'll just say: Conspiracy Theory. Some of it has a basis, but most line of thoughts lead in the wrong direction. A direction that to usually points to political wrongdoings and coverups. I think the guy is entitled to his opinion, as are you. If you ask me though, I'll say your opinion is wrong. You'd say the same for mine. But, mine has a little more basis and widespread acceptance. An opinion can't be wrong, just the facts someone uses to back it up with. __________________ One out of five people have a mental illness. Think of your 4 closest friends, if they're fine... You have it
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Originally posted by The Chief I make my own mind up on many issues. I hardly believe what the media says, which is why I hardly link in in my posts. As for Jack Mclamb, I just stoped at the website. Again, I'll just say: Conspiracy Theory. Some of it has a basis, but most line of thoughts lead in the wrong direction. A direction that to usually points to political wrongdoings and coverups. I think the guy is entitled to his opinion, as are you. If you ask me though, I'll say your opinion is wrong. You'd say the same for mine. But, mine has a little more basis and widespread acceptance. An opinion can't be wrong, just the facts someone uses to back it up with.

the fact is your a hypocrit... cop chaplin....LOL melt Senior Member Registered: Jul 2005 Location: Now Golfing in Sunny Charleston SC and writing my future award winning novel Posts: 188 Greetings I was the victim of Chicago Police Misconduct I was recently falsely arrested, tortured, beat and verbally abused by Officer Alvarez of the 24th District Chicago IL. The married Officer Alvarez was having an affair with my girlfriend and the two of them set me up on 1/27/05. The bogus charges against me were dropped and the OPS of Chicago is conducting an Internal Affairs investigation. I decided to join this site and encourage all of those who are victims of police misconduct, and those people who are just fed up with police corruption going unpunished, to do the following. http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...54403#post54403 quote:Originally posted by The Chief Unless for some reason the cop is havign sex with her on duty, he's not breakign any laws.
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Your wife came to her senses, she left a cop-hater and, sleeps with a cop. Good girl

The Chief Senior Member Registered: Nov 2005 Location: Posts: 153 Key word here "former". He isn't a cop anymore for a reason, so, he's an average @sshole joe like yourself. http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...54091#post54091

The Chief Senior Member Registered: Nov 2005 Location: Posts: 153 And I bet that chick is a great lay, too bad we got her now http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...54232#post54232

The Chief Senior Member Registered: Nov 2005 Location: Posts: 151 But every call the PD gets has to be taken seriously. http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...54260#post54260

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The Chief Senior Member Registered: Nov 2005 Location: Posts: 151 I'm guessign you're talking about Terri Schiavo. I agree she should've died. What more of a waste of money is that. http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...54261#post54261

quote:Originally posted by The Chief It's not without evidence totally, it's reasonable suspicion. What is reasonable? That up to the arresting officer to determine. I make arrests without evidence all the time. http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...54297#post54297

The Chief Senior Member Registered: Nov 2005 Location: Posts: 149 Cops don't work... they just drive around all day cause they want too, they pull people over at will for speeding, and collect the city money for no reason whatsoever. http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...54264#post54264

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I can't wait for the day you just have an accident, sticking up for your so called rights dumbcan. "I'll carry an uzi to the PD, you gonna stop me piq???" One shot inbetween your eyes. That'll fix your views right up. http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...54249#post54249

The Chief Senior Member Registered: Nov 2005 Location: Posts: 148 What do you know, the gun ban passed. Great news. http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...54267#post54267 The Chief Senior Member Registered: Nov 2005 Location: Posts: 152 Yeah duncan, glad to see your bltch ass posting in it. http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...54255#post54255

Blessed "Blessed are the peacekeepers: for they shall be called the children of God." Matthew 5:9 http://www.christianlawenforcement.com/ A great site for all those cops out there that want a greater understanding in their profound benefits to the world. http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...54404#post54404

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I am christian, not Catholic. In the days Jesus was on earth to preach god's laws, there weren't feeding tubes and ventaliators. I see it as letting nature run it's course. I'm in training right now to become a Police Chaplain, a very rewarding job. http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...54305#post54305

You are a phoney christian, a hypocrit. You aid and abet child molesters and murders, you are the worst of the sinners. You steal from hard working people and take freedom from innocent people. You lie and take innocent people to prison and jail. You hurt old people and kill others. You are a traitor to this country. go fuqk yourself you anti-freedom Nazi.
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Great, another canned copy and paste response. I'm no hippocrit, please explain to me where I am so I can better clarify that fact for your dum@ss. __________________ One out of five people have a mental illness. Think of your 4 closest friends, if they're fine... You have it
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Lynn Burton, I'm not a huge fan of the ACLU, but anyone with a brain should be able to see that our country is in big, big trouble. Most of our rights have been eliminated. Freedom is a thing of the past. You must be living under a rock if you feel our fundamental freedoms are not at risk by out of control government officials. In fact we are no longer free. We are living in a Police State. Heres my response to your Jan. 13 2005 column in the Aspen Daily. Your original is included.

Where is the Police State? Its right here! Open your eyes! "Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of
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government." Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long." Congressman Ron Paul, Aug 9, 2004 ......We are now living in a police state.....................

Boston Globe We're slowly becoming a police state January 14, 2005 THE ACTIONS of the state troopers in Truro to obtain DNA samples from motorists is just another example of how we are slowly sliding toward a police state ("Police seek DNA samples in 2002 Truro slaying," Page A1, Jan. 8). Not only were the police stopping motorists with the request for a sample, but the license numbers of all the people they approached were taken. District Attorney Michael O'Keefe said that authorities would be compelled to look at those who refuse to give a sample. Unfortunately, O'Keefe, in his frustration at solving the crime, has endorsed a dangerous extension of police power, providing another unfortunate example of the extent to which citizens are being asked to surrender their basic privacy. ARNOLD KOCH Melrose .................................................................................... Man Goes to Jail for Puting a Sign in his Yard WAFF | April 2 2004 "You can look through 'em all." Up to his ears in legal documents, Phillip Dean is fed up with the judicial system. "That's the kind of court system we've got in Jackson County, Alabama and I want everybody to know," Dean says. So he put a sign in his front lawn saying "Our Court System Is a Joke." A message landing him behind bars. "I was in a cell about four foot wide and six foot long and nothing in it but a toilet," he explains. Arrest orders signed by Judge Haralson claim Dean to be in direct contempt of court, even though the sign is on County Road 107, not in the county courthouse. "The signs were so derogatory to the court they could not be ignored," Haralson responds in a local paper. With Dean locked up, the signs were removed. "Before they would let me go in front of Judge Haralson," Dean says. "They put leg shackles, they put handcuffs, they put chains from my legs up to my waist. they put a chain around my waist. they put chains from my waist up here and had my hands pulled up like this."
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"When it gets to where a man hadn't got any free speech in this world, what has he got?" he asks. ....................................................................................... Reuters Oregon Law Would Jail War Protesters as Terrorists By Lee Douglas PORTLAND, Oregon (Reuters) - An Oregon anti-terrorism bill would jail streetblocking protesters for at least 25 years in a thinly veiled effort to discourage antiwar demonstrations, critics say. Dubbed Senate Bill 742, it identifies a terrorist as a person who "plans or participates in an act that is intended, by at least one of its participants, to disrupt" business, transportation, schools, government, or free assembly. The bill's few public supporters say police need stronger laws to break up protests that have created havoc in cities like Portland, where thousands of people have marched and demonstrated against war in Iraq since last fall. "We need some additional tools to control protests that shut down the city," said Lars Larson, a conservative radio talk show host who has aggressively stumped for the bill. "Right now a group of people can get together and go downtown and block a freeway," Larson said. "You need a tool to deal with that." The bill contains automatic sentences of 25 years to life for the crime of terrorism. ..................................................................................... Lawyers say post-9/11 U.S. is like police state Jim Nichols, Plain Dealer Reporter | May 01, 2004 Americans have a fearsome new enemy since 9/11, and that enemy is their own government, a panel of prominent defense lawyers told colleagues Friday. Congress and the Bush administration are behaving in most un-American ways under the guise of national security, the lawyers argued: gutting civil rights, usurping powers to eavesdrop, creating secret tribunals where the accused have no rights. And, they emphasize, all Americans not just terrorists are potential victims of the USA Patriot Act and other laws and presidential orders implemented in 9/11's wake. "We are living in a very dangerous age," said Marvin Miller, an Alexandria, Va., trial lawyer. "I have this theory that just because we started out as a democracy doesn't mean we're going to survive as a democracy." "If you think for a minute that giving up our freedoms is the way to protect us from terrorism, you're equally wrong," he added. Among legal changes the defense lawyers lambasted: National Security letters, which allow the FBI, without a warrant or judicial oversight, to order Internet providers, phone companies and other businesses to
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disclose sensitive data on anyone, then impose a gag order barring recipients from telling anyone the information was requested. New forms of warrants called "delayed notice" searches that let authorities enter homes or businesses and copy computer or paper files without telling the search's target, as traditional warrants require. Virtually warrantless eavesdropping on electronic communication by the National Security Administration and Justice Department. The government has been doing it since 1978 to snoop for foreign spies, but now can share what used to be strictly intelligence data with state and federal law-enforcement agencies, Mearns said. The word "terrorism." The Patriot Act defines it so broadly that, had the act existed earlier, it could have been used to crush the civil-rights movement. "Hitler did not impose his will on an unsuspecting public," Goldstein said. "The Third Reich arose on a groundswell of popular support." ................................................................................. Kiss Goodbye to the 4th Amendment Jon Christian Ryter | April 1st 2004 It's finally happened. Thanks to recent judicial decisions by the traditionally conservative 5th Circuit Court and the US Supreme Court, Americans can pretty much kiss the 4th Amendment good-bye. On the heels of a US Supreme Court decision that now allows police to fully arrest and handcuff American citizens for misdemeanor violations of traffic law that are generally punishable with a ticket and a fine in traffic court, the usually conservative US 5th Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans ruled on Friday, March 26, 2004 that police officers can briefly search homes and commercial buildings and use any evidence found in those warrantless searches in the trials of those charged with violating the law—even if police had no suspicion those being detained had violated laws for which they were consequently charged based on the evidence discovered in the warrantless search. The 5th Circuit's decision sets a groundbreaking legal precedent that frightens legal experts who claim the new ruling establishes a privilege that will quickly be abused by police in every jurisdiction in the nation even though the 5th Circuit's decision actually only affects Louisiana, Texas and Mississippi. Louisiana law enforcement officers claim it was needed to provide safety to officers. Acting on a Baton Rouge case, the 5th Circuit ruled that police do not need an arrest or search warrant to conduct a swift sweep of private property to ensure their own safety. Further, the court ruled, any evidence discovered during the sweep is admissible in court as long as the search is a cursory inspection of the dwelling or other building rather than a "deep search” and providing the police entered the building for legitimate law enforcement purposes...and they had reason to believe that entering that building or dwelling might be dangerous. What law enforcement situation today is not dangerous? Even minor domestic squabbles can become instantly dangerous. ...................................................................................... In Push to Stop Drunk Driving, Police Draw Blood Wall Street Journal | March 24 2004 BROOKFIELD, Wis. -- After police stopped Robert H. Miller for driving erratically here one afternoon in February 2001, they asked for his license and registration. Then they asked for something else: his blood. Having been convicted of drunk driving once before, Mr. Miller refused to cooperate. So after he was taken to a hospital, five officers pinned him to the floor as a medical technician stuck a needle

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in his arm. His blood-alcohol level was 0.266% -- more than twice the legal limit. Mr. Miller, who declined to comment, challenged the tactic in court but lost. He pleaded no contest, was sentenced to up to 90 days in jail and lost his license for 18 months. "I've really pushed it," says John O'Boyle, district attorney of Pierce County, Wis. Lawyers sometimes successfully challenge breath tests in court or persuade juries to doubt them, but "blood tests tend to be pretty bulletproof," Mr. O'Boyle says. Moreover, it's impossible to force a breath test on someone, but taking blood requires no cooperation. "If we have to literally strap you down if you refuse, that's what can happen to you," says Lt. Tony Almaraz, a Nevada Highway Patrol spokesman. ..................................................................................... POLICE STATE, USA Cops go to bars to arrest drunks Gestapo-like tactics prompt outrage, complaints among owners, citizenry © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com In the ongoing effort to keep public places clear of intoxicated citizens and drunk drivers, some police agencies are using a controversial tactic – going directly into bars and restaurants in order to make arrests. Such is the situation in northern Virginia, where Fairfax County Police are targeting patrons suspected of having one too many. "[Officers] were talking to one of the guests, then physically pulled him off the barstool," Richie Prisco, general manager at Champps bar told the Reston Times. "They were really aggressive and nasty." According to the report, police are hauling customers outside of establishments to conduct sobriety tests, then arresting them for public drunkenness should they fail. Tavern owner Jimmy Cirrito says it was intimidating and unnecessary to have some ten officers show up in SWAT-like attire. He notes police seemed to be tagging people at random, despite their telling bar owners they had undercover agents inside, calling in to provide specific descriptions of certain individuals. "They tapped one lady on the shoulder – who was on her first drink and had just eaten dinner – to take her out on the sidewalk and give her a sobriety test," Cirrito told the paper. "They told her she fit the description of a woman they had complaints about, and that they heard she was dancing topless." Cirrito said the woman passed the test and was allowed back in, but soon after, police pulled another woman outside who had arrived shortly before officers did. "They made her count backward, say the alphabet, tell them where she lived, how she got there, how she was getting home," he said. "She had just gotten there five minutes ago in a cab." Authorities say such methods are not new, despite protests from bar owners that they've never heard of police coming inside their establishments to enforce drinking laws. "I've been an officer for over 17 years, and we've been doing it on and off over my entire career," police spokeswoman Sophia Grinnan told the Times. In the wake of the published report, citizens appear to be siding with the bar owners and patrons, gauging from posts in an on line message board.
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"The way police are handling the drink situation is the biggest B.S. I have ever heard of," wrote Ray Williams. "I lost a son (at age 16) a few years ago, and I most certainly support stopping anyone from drinking and driving. However, this police raid that seems to take place at some local bars is just totally crazy. ... Are we now living in a communist environment where we are not allowed to do anything without being harassed by the military/police?" Russ Heisinger of Northport, N.Y., asked: "What is next, the alcohol police entering your home on Super Bowl Sunday, and inviting you outside to take a breath test? A solution would be for all the bar and restaurant owners to become 'private clubs,' and charge a very nominal fee for membership. However, the true solution is for the 'Barney Fifes' there to uphold the part of the Constitution about unlawful search, and to remember that we are after all, a free society, unless the cops think this is Baghdad!" Others, like Don Armstrong, urged people to reject field sobriety tests, and request a blood-alcohol test at a local hospital. "I have a form of arthritis that often affects my speech patterns and walking abilities," he wrote. "Under their standards of an acceptable set of motor functions, I would fail even if I never had an alcoholic drink." ...................................................................................... No homework? Tell it to the judge HOUSTON (Reuters) - The parents of students at a Houston middle school who tell teachers the dog ate their homework or the cat ripped it up are getting an unusual response: tell it to the judge. At Houston's North Shore Middle School, the parents of students who habitually fail to complete their homework and miss a mandatory after school program are being summoned to court, school officials said on Thursday. The school this week issued 48 misdemeanor criminal citations, similar in severity to a traffic ticket, to those students' parents. The tickets, which could have yielded a fine of up to $185 required parents to appear on Wednesday before Harris County Justice of the Peace Mike Parrott. ..................................................................................... OUTRAGE OVER NEW WRONG-DOOR BLUNDER BY POLICE By ERIKA MARTINEZ and ED ROBINSON http://www.prisonplanet.com/outrage..._by_police.html May 23, 2003 -- Residents of a Bronx building are outraged after getting an unexpected morning "greeting" yesterday from a police drug squad, which burst into their homes, waved guns at children and then left after finding nothing. "At 7:50 a.m., they burst down the door to the building," said Joe Celcis, a teacher whose mother and sister live in the home. "After an hour and a half, they said, 'Sorry wrong house,' and left." They smashed open a door, handcuffed several people and put a gun in the face of 12-year-old Jennifer Espady before going though everyone's belongings, witnesses said.

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"They came in with guns drawn and pushed me," Jennifer said. The cops were looking for two handguns, a pile of marijuana and evidence of a potselling operation. They found nothing. "How can a 12-year-old forget having a gun pointed at her? She was treated like she was in Iraq." .................................................................................... http://www.newsfrombabylon.com/inde...=node/view/3142 Deputy Wrestles Girl To Ground FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- A deputy used pepper spray on a 12-year-old girl and wrestled her to the ground when she ignored repeated orders to stop jaywalking, the sheriff's office said Friday. Broward County sheriff's deputy Michael Roberto was issuing jaywalking tickets to students crossing a busy highway Thursday when he asked the girl to stand next to his motorcycle so he could give her a citation, the deputy's report said. But the girl, who was not immediately identified, became upset and began to curse, Roberto said in the report. The girl also walked away and ignored four more orders to stop and put her hands behind her back, he said. The girl, who is 5 feet 1 inch and 134 pounds, threatened to hit Roberto and rolled her hand in a fist, the report said. The deputy repeatedly warned her that he would use pepper spray if she didn't listen. "After the last warning and order, it became apparent that I had to choose between a physical fight and using the pepper spray," Roberto wrote. "I sprayed her in the face." Roberto, a 22-year veteran of the force, was at work Friday, Leljedahl said. ....................................................................................... Police settle excessive force suit with 71-year-old woman PORTLAND, Ore. - The city of Portland has agreed to pay $145,000 to an elderly blind woman after police pepper-sprayed and shocked her with a stun gun. The altercation began as an attempt to remove shrubs and appliances from 71year-old Eunice Crowder's yard, and ended with police citing her for harassment and disobeying an order. "This case goes to show that police misconduct and excessive force can happen to anybody outside the mainstream," said Ernest Warren Jr., Crowder's lawyer. "It does not have to be an African American; it can be someone who is elderly and white." The June 9, 2003, incident began when Ed Marihart, a city employee, showed up at Crowder's home. He served her with an administrative search warrant to remove an accumulation of trash and debris. According to Crowder and her lawyer, the woman told him she was blind and hard of hearing, and asked him to read the entire warrant to her, but he refused. She said he placed it in her hands, walked outside and ordered others to start removing items from her yard. The woman followed the city employee outside. She was concerned that he and his
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co-workers had removed a family heirloom, a 90-year-old red toy wagon with rhododendrons in it. She asked to enter a trailer, where items from her yard were being placed, to feel around for the wagon. Marihart told her she couldn't enter the trailer and said the wagon was not inside. He then called police. When Portland Officers Robert Miller and Eric Zajac arrived at the house, Crowder acknowledged she had one foot on the curb and one foot on the bumper of the trailer. She felt someone step on her foot and asked, "Who are you?" Moments later, she felt someone strike her in the head, which dislodged her prosthetic right eye from its socket, and was knocked to the ground, she claimed in her lawsuit. Officers said Crowder ignored their commands not to climb into the trailer and tried to bite Miller's hand. They acknowledged she was "pushed onto the dirt next to the sidewalk," according to the city's legal brief filed in court. While on the ground, Crowder asked the officer what he thought he was doing and kicked Miller. She said the officer kicked her back, then pepper-sprayed her in her eyes. "While she's still on the ground, on her stomach, they tased her in the back and in the breast," her lawyer said. Police said they pepper-sprayed Crowder after she refused to stop kicking them. They admit that Crowder's prosthetic eye fell out at some point, and that Zajac stunned Crowder with a Taser, an electric stun gun, twice in the lower back and once in the upper back after ordering her to stop fighting and resisting. Warren said the city's argument is bogus. He said, "To kick the crap out of old folks seems a little bit much to me in the name of law enforcement," (Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) .................................................................................... Wednesday, March 05, 2003 ALBANY, N.Y. — A man wearing a "Peace on Earth, Give Peace a Chance" T-shirt in a shopping mall says he was arrested because he refused to take the shirt off, but the mall says he was nabbed for bothering other shoppers. Security guards approached Stephen Downs, 61, and his 31-year-old son Roger, on Monday night after they were spotted wearing the T-shirts at Crossgates Mall in a suburb of Albany, N.Y., the men said. The two said they were asked to remove the shirts made at a store there — or leave the mall. They refused. The guards returned with a police officer who repeated the ultimatum. The son took his T-shirt off, but the father refused. "'I said, 'All right then, arrest me if you have to,'" Downs said. "So that's what they did. They put the handcuffs on and took me away." Downs pleaded innocent to the charges Monday night. The New York Civil Liberties Union said it would help with his case if asked.

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Police Chief James Murley said his officers were just responding to a complaint by mall security. "We don't care what they have on their shirts, but they were asked to leave the property, and it's private property," Murley said. Monday's arrest came less than three months after about 20 peace activists wearing similar T-shirts were told to leave by mall security and police. There were no arrests. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

..................................................................................................................... http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps..._man_beaten.htm 85-year-old Man Beaten, Pepper-Sprayed By Police CNN | January 10, 2005 ST. PAUL, Minnesota (AP) -- Police said they are investigating an incident in which an officer pepper-sprayed an 85-year-old man during a traffic stop. Leon Nins said officer Michael Lee also beat him after he took too long to stop his car. Police deny that and say Nins attacked Lee. Leaders of St. Paul's NAACP chapter and St. Paul African American Leadership Council alleged that race was a factor. Nins is black. Nins said at a news conference Thursday that he was bringing sandwiches and cupcakes to his wife during his daily visit to her nursing home December 27 when Lee tried to pull him over for having expired license tags. Nins, a World War II veteran who stands about 5-feet-7 and weighs 145 pounds, claims Lee was angry that he didn't stop his car right away. "I told him, 'If I'd have seen you, I would have stopped,"' Nins said earlier. "He got really mad about that. He told me to get in his car, and he started beating me on the leg and on the side of the arm. He pushed me down on the floor, and he was slamming the door on my legs." Nins was arrested and jailed for two days. The Ramsey County Attorney's Office declined to charge him with a felony, but prosecutors still could bring a lesser charge. Nins said he went to a hospital for treatment after his release. Police reports said Nins did not stop for nearly a half mile after Lee began trying to pull him over. .................................................................................................. 4 adults, 3 were cops cant handle 6 year old, they tase him. Cops taser pregnant woman in stomach for loud music. Man arrested for wearing 'peace' T-shirt in the same mall he bought the shirt in. Man arrested for not leaving a tip. Student arrested for bringing steel scissors to school.
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Woman Arrested For Chewing candy. 7 year old arrested for plastic 1 inch knife at school. Cop tase 86 year old woman to correct her behavior. 8-year-old Arrested, taken to adult jail For throwing basketball at another kid. 61-year grandmother hauled off in handcuffs for growing her hedges too high. Girl visiting NYC during the Republican Convention, NOT a protester, gets thrown into a makeshift prison. (Thousands of people not associated with the protesters were arrested.) Jr. high school student arrested for having steak knife in lunch box. Eat a candy bar or french fry, go to jail Woman Appears In Court For Eating Candy At Metro Station. Cop shots 80+ year old man in wheelchair with bean bag shotgun because of his aggressive manner. People/children being arrested and detained with handcuffs for eating candy in Washington, D.C., subway stations. Schoolteacher hauled off cruise ship for not paying a fine for leaving marshmallows at a Yellowstone campsite. Judge finds she actually did pay the fine in the first place. Cops taz, hit, pepper spray, and kick 71 blind woman until her eyeball falls out, because she had an unkept yard. Charges against a Vietnam-era veteran who flew an American flag upside down to protest the war in Iraq. Pregnant Woman Arrested For Talking Too Loudly on Cellphone. 7 year old with paper gun put in jail. Students tased for not talking to cops. Kids skip school, parents go to jail. Young student arrested for Lego gun. Student arrested at school for nail clippers. Man jailed over house extension. Police brutalize nonviolent protesters. High school honor student arrested and held for 4 inch nail file. Judge witnesses cops commit hundreds of felonies. They beat up hand cuffed, downed non violent protesters. 3rd grader arrested for disorderly conduct. Shopping protesters arrested for "nothing." Family members arrested and tased at wedding for being to loud.

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Marlins fan spends a night in jail for curfew violation A deputy didn't think the game was a good excuse. Woman Wearing 'President Bush You Killed My Son' T-shirt arrested. Jr. high school kids arrested and tased for food fight. 9th grader tased for doing cart wheels and flips when she had been ordered to stop. 15-year-veteran officer used his Taser on a 12-year-old girl who was playing hooky from school. $185 fine for dropping a sunflower seed. Woman arrested for talking too loud in public. Man gets arrested for giving a cop a documentary tape. Student, 27 said she saw police throw one protester's glasses in the busy street. ''He was begging them to give him his glasses,'' Hurt veteran arrested by Homeland Security as a terrorist for calling the VA to much. Wrong House gets SWATED, beat up 50 year old and arrest him. Cops Taser 14-Year-Old Who Wouldn't Drop Game Boy. Cops tackle and pepper spray protesters walking backwards with their hands held high chanting, "We are Dispersing, We are Dispersing". Cop uses taser on 7 year old school girl. Detroit officer severs woman's finger, trying to cuff her for traffic stop. Cops pepper spray infants faces, held in mothers arms at non violent protests. A teacher's weighted bookmark gets her arrested and charged with carrying a concealed weapon. Woman arrested on domestic violence for calling her boyfriend "offensive names and throwing baby wipes" at him. also charged with child abuse for holding child while throwing the wipes. Police arrest 8-year-old after scuffle with another 8-year old. Boy handcuffed, charged with battery. Both boys were not hurt. Domestic violence case. Throw a crayon, go to jail. A deputy used pepper spray on a 12-year-old girl and wrestled her to the ground when she ignored orders to stop jaywalking. Television pictures of a policeman punching a child in the face. Police attempted to deal with a picket staged by fishermen and their families. The footage shows a policeman involved in angry exchanges As the argument continues, the policeman advances and punches the child in the face. Man who shot police beating video arrested. Have a costume/replica musket at school play, get arrested and go to jail. Peaceful protester, get pepper shot and beat up by cops.

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Student goes to jail after saying prayer at prep rally when principle tells him not too. Old, confused, arthritic 75 year old woman visiting a friend at a nursing home, get tasered by cops to help her leave. Police Use Taser To Subdue Wheelchair-Bound Man.

It didn't take any time at all to find these stories. They are in the papers every single day. If you want the original link or more on the details, I and others have posted them at www.copwatch.com . There is no trickery or cop frame ups, they are all documented and show how our freedom is stripped everyday. 95% of these abuses happened within the last 6 months. I could go on and on and on and on. More information on Loss of Freedom and the Police State:

www.stanley2002.org http://www.lewrockwell.com/ www.infowars.com www.jackblood.com www.propagandamatrix.com www.theinternationalforecaster. com http://www.proliberty.com/observer/ http://www.newswithviews.com/ prisonplant. tv I hope this has opened your eyes. Articles like the one you wrote only show your naivety and worse, reassure a sleeping public that all is well in America.

Aspen Daily News ACLU scare tactics at work By Lynn Burton The American Civil Liberties Union has sent out a fund-raising letter to downvalley folks that should be called part of the group's "Scare the People" campaign. Check it out. The letter I recently saw, four pages worth, shouts that "fundamental" freedoms are at risk by "out-of-control" government officials. "Leaders" demonstrate "an arrogant disregard for the rule of law." The letter repeatedly screams in bold type the government wants us to "surrender our freedom." "Surrender our freedom." "Surrender our freedom." "Surrender our freedom," the letter warns four times - five if you include the "Surrender your freedom" at the end. This somewhat alarmist letter no doubt sent some downvalley folks straight to their No. 2 pencils so they could frantically sign up to join ACLU and scribble checks of up to $250. BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE; ACT NOW; DON'T WASTE TIME! (Actually, I added that last sentence fragment, sort of as a joke).

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Some of us more feeble-minded downvalley residents read the letter, and after the first flush of ACLU induced panic subsided, came up with some questions. For example, one ACLU warning states, "They want to permanently give the government the right to break into your home, invade your privacy and rifle through your possessions without showing probable cause." Question: You mean like cat burglars, or G. Gordon Liddy or someone like that? You mean they'll invade my home in the dead of the night while I'm asleep? What if my dog gets out? Example number two from the letter: "They're asserting the right of government agents to spy on books you read, the Internet sites you visit and the credit card purchases you make without you ever knowing it happened." Question: Won't that require a lot of spies? Example number three: "One transgression leads to another and the risks to our freedom start to multiply." Question: You mean like rabbits? Example number four: "With their global gag rule, and their federal abortion ban..." Question: You mean the federal government is shutting up Irish people and Germans, the Chinese and even the Latvians? Or do you mean the government is actually gagging them all? Like sticking a dirty sock down their mouth like in that Jack Nicholson movie where he screams, "You can't handle the truth!" Example number five: "It is hard to imagine a situation in which our civil liberties could be more in jeopardy than they are right now." Question: You mean even worse than the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798? Or various war powers acts that gave presidents added authority? Or when the federal government set up Japanese internment camps during World War II? Or J. Edgar Hoover and Richard M. Nixon? Is that what you mean? Example number six: "In assaulting liberties that millions of Americans hold dear, President Bush and his allies are on the wrong side of the law ... the wrong side of core values ... and the wrong side of history." Statement: You left out the wrong side of the tracks and the wrong side of the bed. The letter, which actually does say it's part of the ACLU's "I Refuse to Surrender My Freedom" campaign, starts its conclusion by saying, "Our leadership has already resulted in four states and 361 communities adopting anti-Patriot Act resolutions." Question: You mean Aspen, Carbondale and other towns that approved anti-Patriot Act resolutions are just doing what the ACLU tells them to do? Don't our local town councils have a mind of their own? The ACLU's "I Refuse to Surrender My Freedom" campaign includes a 10 question survey with "Yes" and "No" boxes that ask such leading questions as "I believe freedom to follow one's own religious belief is fundamental and that the government should stay out of religion and leave us all free to practice any religion on our own way." Nine questions later, the ACLU asks readers to "Implement your beliefs," become an ACLU member and contribute $20-$250. The whole pitch is like a slick salesman scaring a none-too-bright victim, and then convincing the victim that everything will be just fine if he buys what the salesman is selling. The letter is signed by ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero. If you'd like to read a copy of the ACLU's "I Refuse to Surrender My Freedom" campaign letter, the address is the American Civil Liberties Union, Box 96259, Washington, DC, 20077-7445. I'm sure they'll be glad to respond to any questions you might have, such as when the letter asks people to join "a chorus of people across America who are declaring in no uncertain terms 'I refuse to surrender my freedom.'" Question: Chorus? What if I can't sing?

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Lynn Burton doesn't belong to the ACLU, NRA, NHRA, NCAA, GOP, SDS or PRCA. You can attempt to reach him at lburton@aspendailynews.com.
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Lynn Burton just doesnt get it. Its too bad he has a coulmn in the Aspen daily News to spout his fluff. I just keep sending him e-mails with police abuse and Constitution shreading articles. I entitled them, It must be nice not to live in a police state like these poor bastards. etc. etc. lburton@aspendailynews.com
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They ignore it because it mainly doesn't exist. Why blow something up to bigger proportions than it is? Just let the liberal media do their thing, you'll be happy soon enough. __________________ One out of five people have a mental illness. Think of your 4 closest friends, if they're fine... You have it
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Originally posted by The Chief They ignore it because it mainly doesn't exist.

Your ignorance and uneducated opinion has been duly noted and summarily dismissed as the typical pro-corruption bullshit.
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I do support what she did, just not the lies behind her.

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'Red' Rosa Parks: Fabricating An American Icon By Henry Makow PhD 11-5-5

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Rosa Parks was not a simple seamstress whose lonely act of defiance in 1955 sparked the Civil Rights Movement. In fact, she was a trained Communist Party (CPUSA) activist. Her refusal to move to the back of the bus wasn't a spontaneous gesture, but a provocation organized by her longtime employer, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). Last week Rosa Parks' body lay in state under the Capitol Rotunda; an honor accorded only 29 times in US history, to people like Abraham Lincoln, John Kennedy, and most recently Ronald Reagan. This treatment illustrates how the American political leaders and mass media public routinely deceive and betray the public. The New York Times obituary said her arrest "turned a very private woman into a reluctant symbol and torch bearer." President Clinton said her action "ignited the most significant social movement in American history." While I support the ostensible aims of the Civil Rights movement, I have to ask, given its Communist sponsorship, "What is the hidden agenda?" I'll elaborate later. To understand why the US elite would honor a Communist, we need to make a paradigm shift. A clique of London-based private bankers controls most of the world's credit and wealth and wants to consolidate this power in permanent world institutions of political, social and spiritual control. It created and funded Communism as an instrument to advance this goal, which involves dissolving all "collective forces" that might oppose it, including nation-state, race, religion and family. Thus "Communism" far from being a relic of the Cold War era is in different forms still part of our lives, eroding the above institutions. The "Cold War" continues as the "War on Terror" -- essentially another fraud calculated to control the masses and further concentrate wealth and power in the hands of the super rich. THE PATTERN OF ELITE DECEPTION The portrayal of Rosa Parks as an ordinary citizen triggered my alarm bell. Betty Friedan, the "founder" of feminism and longtime Communist activist was also depicted as an average mother and housewife. http://www.savethemales.ca/000185.html Thanks to a well informed Internet forum, Daily Kos.com, I quickly discovered Rosa Parks began serving as secretary for the NAACP in 1943 and still held that position when she was arrested. http://www.dailykos. com/story/2005/10/25/34313/055 In July 1955, five months before the famous incident in December,
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she attended "Highlander Folk School" in Monteagle Tennessee. Myles Horton and James Dombroski, both Communist Party members, started this school in 1932 to train Communist activists. Betty Friedan was another alumnus. http://www.highlandercenter.org Rosa Parks and many others had defied the bus segregation laws on several occasions since the 1940's. The Montgomery bus boycott was planned in advance. Martin Luther King was brought in to lead it. Rosa Parks was chosen to kick it off. (See Aldon Morris, "The Origins of the Civil Rights Movement") A member of Daily Kos.com who works for the CPUSA newspaper said a CPUSA executive member told him that Rosa Parks was a member of the party. (This is something Communists don't advertise.) The testimony of numerous defectors leaves no doubt the US Communist Party was directed and funded from Moscow. Despite what idealistic dupes like Parks and Friedan thought, its goal was to subjugate the American people. The Women's Liberation Movement was patterned on the Civil Rights Movement. They are off-the-shelf Communist psychosocial operations. To be effective, they must appear to reflect a popular groundswell rather than an elite agenda imposed from above. While these movements rectified genuine injustices, their hidden purpose is to destabilize American society by exploiting potential internal divisions. NAACP & MARTIN LUTHER KING: THE DARK SIDE In his book, "My Awakening" David Duke paints a picture of the NAACP that suggests a typical Banker-Communist front. (pp.282284) Although founded in 1909, it didn't have a Black President until the 1970's. Until then, its President and Board were mainly drawn from the ranks of Communist Jews. http://www.martinlutherking.org/ma-chapter18.html Martin Luther King may have been a typical front man. Privately he declared himself a Marxist. He also attended the Highlander School and his personal secretaries Bayard Rustin and Jack O'Dell were Communists. Stanley Levinson, his handler, who wrote his speeches and managed his fundraising, was also a Communist. Apparently King's integrity has also been called into question. King plagiarized large sections of his Doctoral Thesis. He also had liaisons with white prostitutes, which were taped by the FBI and confirmed by his successor Ralph Abernathy. ("And the Walls Came Tumbling Down," 1989) RACIAL STRIFE AS ELITE WEAPON

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I find racial prejudice, discrimination and segregation repugnant. Mankind is a family of races, each gifted and bringing something unique to the potluck. At the same time, a balance must be found. Racial and national groups have a right to protect their racial character and ensure their survival. I find it odd that countries like Israel, China and Japan can do this without criticism but countries in Europe and North America cannot. Blacks, Jews and Hispanics can do this but Whites cannot. I also believe discrimination in favor of a "minority" is as bad as discrimination against. I am a Canadian and am not an expert on the Civil Rights movement. However, if the CPUSA was involved, there was a hidden agenda. It appears to be spelled out in a document entitled "A Racial Program for the 20th Century" (1912)by an Israel Cohen quoted by Congressman Abernathy, and entered into the Congressional Record (1957), p. 8559. If authentic, it is pretty damning: "We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tension. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by the whites, we can move them to the program of the communist party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against whites, we will instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the professions, and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause." The central bankers are involved in a massive fraud: printing our money for the price of the paper, loaning it to us and then demanding repayment with interest. The only way they can perpetuate this fraud is to keep us distracted. That involves creating enemies for us. Look at France with its minority of five million Muslims. Currently Muslim youth are rioting. French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said Thursday that the riots were "not spontaneous" but rather "well organized." Do I need to elaborate? The central bankers can use racial minorities as a weapon. A final suggestion is that, given the heavily Jewish character of the Communist Party, the Civil Rights Movement may have been designed to tear down White racial defenses so that sympathetic Jews might advance. CONCLUSION The sanctification of the Communist Rosa Parks proves again that the American political and cultural elite is irredeemingably corrupt.
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Social change doesn't take place in the USA unless the central bankers and their media assets sponsor it. Their long-term plan for world dictatorship is disguised as spontaneous grassroots revolt. Increasingly the mass media, government and education reveal their true colors, and discredit themselves in the eyes of the public. ------------------------Response from a Black Reader: Before the civil rights movement there were many economically viable black communities. Segregation forced black people especially black man to take care of business. The civil rights movement destroyed that. Harry Belafonte said Martin Luther King was killed after he realized that he was a pawn, that he was duped. Martin Luther King saw that de-segregation would impoverish the black community. Now there is no black community, we have no real leadership and we have no collective economic power. Put together we have a lot of money but we are the targets of corporations, this is what the civil rights movement has brought us. And the Nation of Islam was started by the Jesuits to foment race war. ---------------------------Henry Makow Ph.D. is the inventor of the game Scruples and author of "A Long Way to go for a Date." His articles exposing fe-manism and the New World Order can be found at his web site www. savethemales.ca He enjoys receiving comments, some of which he posts on his site using first names only. hmakow@gmail.com
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Too bad we are taking huge steps backwards in terms of civil rights. People just don't realize it. The civil rights being given up are in the name of public safety, which is creating a false sense of security. --Navigatr1

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I actually agree, Rosa parks was no hero. Not moving from a bus seat isn't heroic. I was hammerfed that crap in school, books and books on crap like that. Martin Luther King was a great orator, and very knowlegible. But to compare him to Malcom X, gang affialiate (Black Panthers) is wrong. I don't feel we've taken a step back in "civil liberities" however, I believe we've moved forward. People may have less rights, can't carry a gun or do weed or drive without a license, but without those things people would die. A step forward, maybe not, but a step in the right direction indeed __________________ One out of five people have a mental illness. Think of your 4 closest friends, if they're fine... You have it
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Noam Chomsky - Controlled Asset Of The New World Order Commentary By Daniel L. Abrahamson DLAmedia@yahoo.com 9-27-5 "Since 9-11, he has steadfastly refused to discuss the evidence of government complicity and prior knowledge. Furthermore, he claims that the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Bilderberg Committee, and Trilateral Commission are "nothing organizations." When critiquing poverty, he never mentions the Federal Reserve

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and their role in manipulating the cycle of debt. Similarly, he claims the CIA was never a rogue organization and is an innocent scapegoat; that JFK was killed by the lone assassin Lee Harvey Oswald; that the obvious vote fraud in 2004 did not occur..." Noam Chomsky is often hailed as America's premier dissident intellectual, a fearless purveyor of truth fighting against media propaganda, murderous U.S. foreign policy, and the crimes of profithungry transnational corporations. He enjoys a slavish cult-like following from millions leftist students, journalists, and activists worldwide who fawn over his dense books as if they were scripture. To them, Chomsky is the supreme deity, a priestly master whose logic cannot be questioned. However, as one begins to examine the interviews and writings of Chomsky, a different picture emerges. His books, so vociferously lauded in leftist circles, appear to be calculated disinformation designed to distract and confuse honest activists. Since the 1960's, Chomsky has acted as the premier Left gatekeeper, using his elevated status to cover up the major crimes of the global elite. His formula over the years has stayed consistent: blame "America" and "corporations" while failing to examine the hidden Globalist overclass which pulls the strings, using the U.S. as an engine of creation and destruction. Then after pinning all the worlds ills on American imperialism, Chomsky offers the solution of world government under the United Nations. In his book "The Conspirator's Hierarchy," Dr. John Coleman named Chomsky as a deep cover CIA agent working to undermine social protest groups. Certainly Dr. Coleman's claims appear validated by an honest review of Chomsky's role as a Left gatekeeper. Since 9-11, he has steadfastly refused to discuss the evidence of government complicity and prior knowledge. Furthermore, he claims that the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Bilderberg Committee, and Trilateral Commission are "nothing organizations." When critiquing poverty, he never mentions the Federal Reserve and their role in manipulating the cycle of debt. Similarly, he claims the CIA was never a rogue organization and is an innocent scapegoat; that JFK was killed by the lone assassin Lee Harvey Oswald; that the obvious vote fraud in 2004 did not occur; and that peak oil is real and good for humanity. What he does advocate is population control, gun control, support for U.N.E.S.C.O., and the end of national sovereignty in favor of a one-world government under the UN. In other words, the major goals of the New World Order. Chomsky's role in propaganda paradigm is much like that of Karl Marx: to present a false liberation ideology which actually supports
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the desired solutions of the elite. Marx pointed out the inequalities and brutality of capitalism and then advocated a one world bank, army, and government with the abolition of private property and religion; in other words, the major goals known of the New World Order. Tens of millions of activists worldwide still remain trapped by this scam, failing to recognize the inherent autocratic and elitist structures of Marxism-Leninism or the newer incarnation under Chomsky. The Globalist elites and their army of social scientists at the Tavistock Institute understand that people are going to question the inequities of the current economic system. For example, why is wealth distributed so unequally between classes and countries? Why are those living in third world nations allowed to die from preventable diseases and starvation? Why does the U.S. government sponsor and direct such murderous foreign policy? Why was America attacked on 9-11? In other words, why is the world embroiled in such violence? Who is behind all this suffering? And most importantly, what solutions would relieve the poverty and destruction plaguing the worldwide population? Enter Chomsky, the controlled opposition, to play the role of redirect agent. He discusses a mere fraction of the real elite manipulation and then quickly pushes his followers into dead-end solutions and alienating rhetoric. Chomsky's hero status is further amplified by Left gatekeeper publications like Z Magazine, DemocracyNow!, The Progressive, and The Nation. Is it a coincidence that all of those magazines receive major funding from Globalist front-groups like the Rockefeller Foundation, Ford Foundation, Carnegie Endowment, and MacArthur Foundation? Chomsky may be the head gatekeeper, but he works alongside a network of fellow Globalist assets like Amy Goodman who do their best to appear radical while avoiding all the hardcore issues and deliberately leading the Left into oblivion. The following analysis will show that Chomsky, a deep cover agent for the New World Order, a master of black propaganda whose true motives become clear with a sober and honest examination. 911 Noam Chomsky has acted as the premier Left gatekeeper in the aftermath of the 9-11 crimes, lashing out at the 9-11 truth movement and claiming any suggestions of government complicity are fabrications. The "radical" Chomsky takes a position so deeply rooted in denial that it makes the staged 9-11 whitewash commission look like an honest study. He belligerently refuses to discuss any of the massive evidence proving government
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foreknowledge and participation in the crimes, claiming it would destroy the activist movements worldwide: "If the left spends its time on this, that's the end of the left, in my opinion: the mainstream would be utterly delighted. It is highly likely that nothing significant will be found. And if -- which I very greatly doubt -- something is found that would quickly send everyone in Washington to the death chamber, the left is unlikely to emerge triumphant." In other words, Chomsky is telling his followers to ignore the evidence because according to him, none exists. However even if there is massive evidence, responsible activists should ignore it because it would be "the end of the Left." Chomsky's role as a 9-11 gatekeeper goes even further as he denies each piece of evidence individually. The following examples should suffice: 1) As most honest 9-11 researchers know, 7 of the accused 19 hijackers are alive, proving the official story is a fabrication. Many of the remaining 12 were trained as U.S. Air Force bases and CIAconnected Huffman Aviation. Many of the accused "religious fanatics" acted more like degenerate contract agents, as they flashed wads of cash, visited strip clubs, drank profusely, blew cocaine, smoked weed, cavorted with strippers and had strange meetings in the drug-rich Florida keys. Men like Mohammed Atta fit the MO of an undercover CIA drug runner: a man trained at U.S. Air Force bases, fluent in many languages, able to evade INS regulations, working with drug dealers, and receiving wired bank funds from CIA-linked Pakistani intelligence. There remains no photographic evidence of these supposed hijackers ever getting on the planes (walking through airport security does not count). Furthermore, the autopsy list of Flight 77 which supposedly hit the Pentagon listed none of the accused hijackers. Regarding the evidence of government complicity in training the hijackers, Chomsky wrote the following: "Nothing empirical is impossible. Thus, it is conceivable that everyone in the White House is totally insane. And in my opinion, that's what they would have had to be to try something that would have been very likely to turn into an utter fiasco, and if by some miracle had succeeded, would almost certainly have leaked, so that they would all be facing the death sentence. Possible, but not likely." 2) What about the unprecedented NORAD stand down on 9-11 which broke standard operation procedure? Over 67 times in 2001, NORAD had dispatched jets when they deviated from their flight path. In 1999, when golfer Payne Stewart's single engine Lear in depressurized, NORAD planes were flying around the vessel in 20 minutes. But on 9-11, Ben Sliney, in his first day on the job as hijacking
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coordinator for the FAA, delayed calls to NORAD. Meanwhile NORAD ran at least 7 hijacking drills that morning like Operation Vigilant Guardian where commercial jets crashed into government buildings in Manhattan, Washington DC, and Virginia. These "mock" drills, designed to give live on 9-11, helped to distract the honest people within NORAD and the FAA, and to evade suspicion from patriotic investigators within the CIA, FBI, and NSA's Echelon network. Of the subject of the NORAD stand down, Chomsky wrote the following: "Whether NORAD followed SOP, I have no idea, not having investigated the matter. I think the case is very weak, and diverts people from the really serious issues." 3) How about the document called "Operation Northwoods" signed off in 1962 by the Joint Chiefs of Staff like Generals Lemnitzer and Landsdale? These men, sworn to protect the Constitution, devised a plan to create false-flag terrorism in order to engineer a war with Cuba. Their treasonous plans included the following: - "Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft could appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the Government of Cuba." - "Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government." - "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba . . . casualty lists in U.S. newspapers cause a helpful wave of indignation." This document was discovered in the National Archives and has been the subject of mainstream articles by ABCNEWS and others. It stands as clear evidence that the U.S. government has designed plans to engineer terrorist attacks and blame them on foreign enemies. Yet Noam Chomsky does not think the Northwoods document matters: "Operation Northwoods example is only one of many reasons for being skeptical about this: it doesn't even come close, and it was not carried out. Furthermore, there is nothing in history that even remotely resembles what is being proposed. Of course, that does not show that the thesis is impossible: nothing could show that, by definition. And if someone can put together some evidence and refute the arguments as to why it is extraordinarily unlikely, then the matter will be worth pursuing." Chomsky's role as the chief 9-11 gatekeeper proves he is distracting his leftist followers from the truth. Instead of facing the clear facts, he claims that 19 hijackers did it and that al-Qaeda is a real terrorist enemy. When presented with documented evidence,
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from living hijacker patsies to the NORAD stand down, he simply claims it doesn't exist. He resorts to emotional "they would never do it" appeals in order to deny the obvious. Chomsky is exhibiting far more than logical skepticism, but instead is actively engaging in disinformation. 9-11 Prior Knowledge Chomsky denial of government complicity in the crimes of September 11 is one thing, but he goes further, claiming the government had no prior knowledge of the attacks. Mind you, this is a position even weaker than Michael Moore's tepid Fahrenheit 911, which at least tacitly suggested a degree of prior knowledge. Chomsky's position is untenable. For a man who prides himself on science and logic, his steadfast refusal to acknowledge mainstream media reports finds him using arguments similar to Holocaust deniers; one can show them photographs, videos, testimony, and physical evidence but the burden of proof is impossible. Such is the case with Chomsky who ignores the many government admissions of prior knowledge widely available even in the 9-11 whitewash commission report. Here is Noam Chomsky writing on government prior knowledge: "That tells us even less. Every intelligence agency is flooded, daily, with information of very low credibility. In retrospect, one can sometimes pick out pieces that mean something. At the time, that's a virtual impossibility. By arguments like this we can prove that someone blew up the White House yesterday." If they did not have prior knowledge, why were Cheney and NORAD running drills that morning where hijacked jets flew into buildings in New York, Washington DC and Virginia? Also, wouldn't the NSA's Echelon network have picked up the chatter? Of course, Chomsky does not even admit the Echelon network exists. This despite the NSA's openly acknowledged ability to monitor all phone calls, emails and satellite communication with keyword software which can identify phrases and immediately begin tracking the communication. This despite their admitted bases at Fort Meade, with sister sites in the UK, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and other unknown locations. Students of the intelligence world know full well that the NSA's Echelon network picked up the chatter for weeks before the attacks. In fact, the NSA admitted it, saying that on September 10 agents intercepted calls from hijackers but, *ahem*, did not translate them until after the attacks. Such admissions are red herrings, clearly designed to excuse massive prior knowledge at tops levels of the intelligence circles. What about the President Daily Briefing given to Bush in late August
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which discussed the threat of hijacked jets? What about intelligence groups like Able Danger and FBI agents like Robert Wright who warned of the flight school trainees? What about FBI agent John O'Neill's investigation into Al-Qaeda financing which was quashed by Bush? What about attorney David Schippers who desperately tried to warn Ashcroft about the impending attacks? Why was the CIA admittedly tracking the accused hijackers since 2000? Why was FEMA running drills in Manhattan that morning out of WTC-7? Why did PNAC documents like "Rebuilding America's Defenses" call for helpful Pearl Harbor style attacks? Those are just a smattering of the mountain of evidence proving beyond any reasonable doubt that the U.S. government had prior knowledge. But Chomsky must deny these, because his role is to mislead and distract while chastising the 9-11 truth movement. CFR/Bilderberg/Trilateral Commission Before and after 9-11, the key role for the Left Gatekeepers like Chomsky has been denying the existence of the overclass which prints the money, funds and manages the wars, ships the drugs, controls entire industries, and creates the scientific propaganda which plagues society. Instead they critique mid-level minions & front corporations while speaking in glittering generalities. In the world of Left gatekeepers, the New World Order does not exist. There are no elite plan for global government. Instead they paint the picture of a profit-motivated world in which corporations control the government. But merely blaming corporations misses the forces which own their assets, manage their resources, control their board of directors, and pull their strings. Chomsky steadfastly denies the role of the Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg Committee, and Trilateral Commission in the creation and management of the wars and poverty he claims to condemn. When speaking on such "conspiracies," he said the following: "It's the same with the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, all these other things the people are racing around searching for conspiracy theories about-they're "nothing" organizations. Of course they're there, obviously rich people get together and talk to each other, and play golf with one another, and plan together-that's not a big surprise. But these conspiracy theories people are putting their energies into have virtually nothing to do with the way the institutions actually function." (Understanding Power, 348) The CFR, funded by Wall Street and the Rockefellers after WW II, is an organization openly sworn to destroying American national sovereignty in favor of world government. They have acted as the
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de-facto "secret team" in managing U.S. domestic and foreign policy, orchestrating wars like Vietnam and the first Gulf War.. Almost all executives in the CIA and State Department have been members of the CFR, whether it was Dean Rusk, Allen Dulles and Robert McNamara during Vietnam or Richard Armitage and George Tenet during the crimes of 9-11. The CFR has been the dominant roundtable group pushing for a Panamerican Union by 2010 which would dissolve national borders and unite Mexico, Canada, and America under a single currency, with biometric ID cards and GPS-tracked vehicles on camera-strewn superhighways. How can Chomsky seriously claim the CFR is a "nothing organization" when their role in crafting policy is so clear? Whom is he trying to protect in denying the treasonous goals of the CFR? Chomsky's stonewalling on the Bilderberg raises even more suspicions. Since 1954 the Bilderberg has served as the central brain of the New World Order, the major secret gathering for Globalist agents from across the globe. Bilderberg chairmen like Prince Bernhard and David Rockefeller have pushed for total global government, eugenics population control, engineering wars, and controlling the worldwide economy. Top politicians from America and Europe also undergo a grooming process at the Bilderberg. Bill Clinton went in 1991 as Rockefeller's personal guest, and Tony Blair attended in 1993 before becoming Prime Minister. John Kerry attended in 2000, and John Edwards did two weeks before becoming the VP nominee in 2004. Major members of the media, such as editors from the Economist, NY Times, Newsweek, Washington Post, US News and World Report are regular attendees. Yet they rarely, if ever, mention the proceedings, sworn to secrecy by their globalist masters. Nevertheless in recent years, the truth has emerged. Major media outlets like the BBC admit the Bilderberg is planning for a one-world currency, bank, and army. Articles in Reuters and the Financial Times of London have admitted the existence of the Bilderberg, their grooming of politicians, and their secret plans for world governance. If these mainstream media reporters can admit the major role of the Bilderberg in shaping world affairs, why can't Chomsky? Why is he holding back? Simlarly, how can Chomsky seriously ignore the role of the Trilateral Commission, the brainchild of Globalist masters David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski? This is the same Brzezinski who helped direct the first CIA funds to bin Laden, and in his book Between Two Ages called for a technotronic society with a microchipped population. The Trilateral Commission openly admits they are trying to control the economy through closer European-Japanese-American cooperation. They operate much like the CFR, counting the worlds
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top elites, politicians, corporate executives, and media barons as members. They have been instrumental in creating the destructive "free trade" agreements that are destroying America's economy and national sovereignty in order to usher in world governance. Journalist Jim Tucker, a Spotlight reporter with impeccable credentials, also links the Trilateral Commission to the international narcotics trade, the $500 billion-plus racket from heroin and cocaine alone which helps fund the Globalist's house of cards. What would motivate Chomsky to call the Trilateral Commission a "nothing organization?" Is it because they echo his goal of a world government? Or are there darker forces at work? When balanced against over 50 years of documented evidence, Chomsky's claims are exposed as nothing more than spurious lies and denial. Federal Reserve Similarly, while Chomsky bemoans the widespread poverty in America and the Third World, he has never spoken publicly on the role of the Federal Reserve. Therefore most Leftist activists are unaware of the role played by this privately owned bank cartel which prints worthless fiat currency out of thin air. Since its secret formation at Jekyll Island in 1910, and subsequent illegal passage during the Wilson administration, the Federal Reserve has held the American economy hostage: creating inflation and boom & bust cycles through managed money supply and interest rates. Furthermore, every dollar printed is merely debt charged to the federal government. Thus while it only costs 10 cents to print a $100 bill, the U.S. government fits the bill for the full $100 to the private Fed. The creation of the Federal Reserve, owned largely by the Rockefeller, Morgan, and Rothschild interests has eluded the "radical" Chomsky. Furthermore he does not discuss the proven role of the Fed in creating recessions and depressions in order to purchase assets at a fraction of their value. Chomsky ignores the role of the fiat currency system which drives down wages, inflates prices, and puts the American economy under the iron claw of a few elite families. Since the dollar is the base currency for worldwide trade and the current economic house of cards, shouldn't these topics be discussed? Perhaps Chomsky stays mute because a central bank fits into his ideology. After all, one of the key planks in the Marxist and Fabian socialist agenda is a managed central bank in order to control the economy. Or perhaps Chomsky fears discussion of the Fed would expose the real hidden hand that runs the world economy. For him it is easier to blast the front corporations and low-level grocery
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boys. The CIA If he denies even basic government foreknowledge of 9-11, should it be any surprise that Chomsky avoids criticism of the CIA? When asked about the links between the CIA and bin Laden, and the CIA's overt support of the Taliban, Chomsky wrote the following: "CIA support for bin Laden (which is not quite accurate) or the Taliban (also not quite accurate) doesn't seem to me remotely relevant." How can Chomsky write this with a straight face? He is simply ignoring the documented evidence of CIA funding for the "freedom fighters" known as al-Qaeda, totaling over $6 billion. The cozy CIA/ al-Qaeda relationship continued through the Bosnian conflict via training of the drug-peddling Kosovo Liberation Army. What about the meetings between Taliban leaders, oil executives, and Bush administration officials from January to August 2001 to discuss building an oil and gas pipeline for Unocal? Chomsky also denies the mainstream reports from UK and French newspapers about two top CIA agents meeting with bin Laden for over ten days in July 2001 while he received dialysis at the American Hospital in Dubai. But Chomsky goes further than that. While claiming to critique the CIA, he absolves the agency of any responsibility for its actions, from Nazi origins via Project Paperclip to heinous mind control experiments like MK ULTRA. This horrific period in CIA history, a true Rosetta stone in understanding the New World Order, is scientifically ignored by Chomsky, who sees the CIA as an innocent victim of White House orders:. "Or take the CIA, which is considered the source of a lot of these conspiracies; we have a ton of information about it, and as I read the information, the CIA is basically just an obedient branch of the White House. I mean sure, the CIA has done things around the world- but as far as we know, it hasn't done anything on its own. There's very little evidence-in fact, I don't know of any-that the CIA is some kind of rogue elephant, you know, off on its own doing things. What the record shows is that the C.I.A. is just an agency of the White House, which sometimes carries out operations for which the Executive branch wants what's called "plausible deniability"; in other words, if something goes wrong, we don't want it to look like we did, those guys in the CIA did it, and we can throw some of them to the wolves if we need to. That's basically the role of the CIA, along with mostly just a collection of information. (Chomsky, "Understanding Power")
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Like all of Chomsky's claims, this one is based on emotion, conjecture, and opinion. He does not cite any specifics, knowing full well that his fawning minions will accept his word as gospel. Chomsky sees the CIA as a pathetic collection of scapegoat bureaucrats, acting as grocery boys for their master President. According to him, the CIA does not carry out secret projects on their own, and if accused of such, are innocent. JFK Assassination/CIA Role Therefore is it any surprise the Chomsky endorses the lone assassin and magic bullet theory in the assassination of JFK? From his emergence as a guru of the Left in the late 60's, Chomsky has belittled anyone researching the anomolies stemming from the official story and Warren Commission cover-up. According to him, any examination is a complete waste of time: "The Kennedy assassination cult is probably the most striking case. I mean, you have all these people doing super-scholarly intensive research, and trying to find out just who talked to whom, and what's the exact contours were of this supposed high-level conspiracy - it's all complete nonsense. As soon as you look into the various theories, they always collapse, there's just nothing there. But in many places, the left has just fallen apart on the basis of these sheer cults." (Chomsky, Understanding Power) Chomsky's position puts him in the less than 15% of Americans who believe Oswald was the lone shooter. For such a selfproclaimed "anarchist" radical, Chomsky's trust in Warren Commission's official story seems akin to a child's belief in Santa Claus. The facts, of course, tell a different story. While far from perfect man, Kennedy ran afoul by opposing the very forces that took over after his death. He began withdrawing 5,000 CIA "advisers" from Vietnam; fired CIA chiefs Allen Dulles and Richard Bissel; disbanded the CIA and handed over covert operations to the State Department; ordered the creation of a silver-backed government currency to break the Federal Reserve monopoly; turned down the Operation Northwoods plan to engineer false flag terrorism and blame it on Cuba; and refused to invade Cuba and launch a full scale nuclear war during the Missile Crisis, a plan favored by hawks like General Curtis LeMay. Chomsky ignores the true history of the Kennedy presidency because it would expose te shadow government takeover after his assassination. What about Chomsky's claims that the CIA never acts as a rogue

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part 2 MK ULTRA/Project Paperclip Chomsky has never publicly acknowledged the covert CIA mind control programs known as MK ULTRA and its many offshoots. This program alone shows how the CIA was indeed a rogue elephant, as they ran illegal campaign of propaganda, brainwashing, sex slavery, and poisoning of citizens. In 1946, Globalist bagman Harry Truman began a covert plan to smuggle top Nazi SS officers, scientists, and propagandists into America. Those same war criminals quickly became the front line for the postwar U.S. intelligence machine. Reinhard Gehlen, one of Hitler's top intelligence chiefs, led postwar European intelligence for the CIA, becoming the darling of head honcho Allen Dulles. Then, using his same crew of Gestapo and SS, aided by the Vatican, and sponsored by the CIA, Gehlen set up "rat lines" which smuggled 5,000 of the worst Nazi criminals into South and Central America. Butchers like Klaus Barbie, Mortin Bormann and Josef Mengele among others owed their freedom to this program. Those same men would later aid CIA coups in Angentina, Chile, Paraguay, Brazil and other countries. After all, they were veteran experts: early Gehlen projects had included rigging elections in Italy and France. By 1955, more than 760 German scientists had been became U.S. citizens, many specializing in black research projects. This growing cabal of Nazi doctors found a happy marriage with the control freak elitists infesting the NSA, CIA, and black operations government. These men birthed the MK ULTRA program, focusing on mass mind control, via drugs, hypnosis, subliminals, and pulsed electromagnetic waves. It was this mad science, spawned in the Nazi labs of Dr. Josef Mengele, that now obsessed men like Sidney Gottlieb, John Lilly, Jose Delgado and Ewen Cameron. Their most famous project was the creation of Manchurian candidates, used for political assassinations, drug transportation, espionage, and sabotage. Yet this was not limited to Sirhan Sirhan. In fact, both Gottlieb and Cameron helped train thousands of preadolescent children for use in child prostitution, sex slavery,

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blackmail, satanic rituals and murder. Known as the Monarch Project, children were kidnaped from American streets and foreign nations and then programmed with trauma based mind control. Other common victims for experimentation included prisoners, the homeless, and residents of mental institutions, all cherry-picked because they were defenseless. Details of this horrific and still operational program are available in rare and highly suppressed texts of Fritz Springmeier, which usually fetch over $300 a piece. Why does Chomsky refuse to discuss MK ULTRA and its sister projects? Why does he claim the CIA was merely a pawn of the White House, when the record proves that Eisenhower and Kennedy had little, if any knowledge of MK ULTRA? Simply put: Why is Noam Chomsky covering for the CIA? Elite Child Sex Rings The Monarch Project of prostituting children deserves further mention (although Chomsky would disagree). In 1988 Vice President Bush was caught having 15 year-old call boy prostitutes visiting the White House late at night. The credit cards records to prove it were splashed across the front page of the Washington Times: "Homosexual Prostitution Inquiry Ensnares VIP's with Reagan, Bush Sr." Unfortunately the star witness, Craig Spence, was suicided in his hotel with piano wire before he could testify. Book like "The Franklin Coverup" by John DeCamp have further proven the links between the CIA and Army intelligence to the elite sex slavery rings. Cases of like the "The Finders" in Washington DC, where customs agents discovered a CIA warehouse full of child porn and satanic torture, stand as yet further evidence. In the forrmer Yugloslavia, CIA front company Dyncorp has been convicted of operating in the human slave trade and using their C130's to ship many of the 200,000 women and children smuggled out every year. Furthermore, mainstream news outlets have shown evidence of UN Peacekeepers assisting the sex trade in the Democratic Republic of Congo and Balkans. Despite the voluminous amount of grotesque evidence, Chomsky has never discussed the elite sex trade. This is an issue so shocking, so paradigm-altering, that his Leftist followers would no longer trust their loving mother government, and that is the last thing Chomsky wants. After all, if the Leftists knew that top level politicians are actually pedophiles practicing satanic ritual abuse, they would no longer trust the savior world government. The absence of Chomsky and the Left on the suffering of these children speaks volumes about their true moral character and motives. MK ARTICHOKE/ MK NAOMI:
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Other MK ULTRA side projects included pushing LSD to the youth culture and attaching electrodes into prisoners heads, the latter perfected by Dr. Delgado. Adjunct programs like MK NAOMI and MK ARTICHOKE focused on genetically engineered viruses, biological agents, and radiation effects on American citizens. Common experiments included testing biological agents and atomic weapons radiation on soldiers, the mentally handicapped, people in subways, and even whole towns; putting cancer viruses into polio vaccines; and exposing pregnant women to radiation to test the effects on the fetus. These experiments have been documented as continuing into the 1980's and likely still continue today. Chomsky does not discuss these horrendous programs, because it would awaken his readers to the cruelest fact: that the U.S. government will murder its own citizens and soldiers, killing hundreds of thousands of unwitting subjects simply for political gain. After all, if they would feed radiated breakfast cereal to thousands of ******ed children, would these same parasitic elites not also kill more than 2,800 Americans on September 11? Fluoride Of course, MK ULTRA lives on today in our drinking water. It was around the time of its inception, in the 1950's, that the U.S. government began adding sodium fluoride to tap water in massive quantities.. Should we be shocked? After all, the first people to use the deadly neurotoxin were the Nazis, who found it pacified the concentration camp prisoners. Now thanks to imported Nazi doctors helping our friendly neighborhood CIA, American citizens could enjoy the same privilege as those in Hitler's camps. Chomsky has never discusses the effects of sodium fluoride, nor the lead and arsenic used in water as silent weapons of pacification. As a scientist, he is apparently uninterested in sodium fluoride's proven link to cancer, leukemia, osteoporosis, Alzheimer disease, and brain damage. So, should we be surprised that he never writes about the deadly poison aspartame found in thousands of products? Or genetically modified foods and growth hormones which destroy immune systems while causing blood disorders and swelling of the organs? Or cell phones which emit deadly microwave radiation leading to cancer, vision loss, and (according to published BBC reports) altering human DNA? Or the GWEN towers which pulse deadly ELF radiation across America? Rockefeller Pharma Cartel The Nazi doctors who didn't end up in American intelligence found cushy jobs in the pharmaceutical cartel firms like Merck and EliLilly. Chomsky never discusses the history of these firms; nor the
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Rockefeller control over the American Medical Association; nor the link between mercury-tainted vaccines and brain damage; nor the deadly mind control drugs like SSRI's (Prozac, Zoloft, etc.) and amphetamine-based Adderall/Ritalin pills pimped out to helpless children. These drugs cause bone degeneration, memory loss, suicidal tendencies and added depression to the poor kids gobbling them like Flintstone's chewables, all at the advice of their pill-pusher death merchant doctors. Meanwhile Chomsky stays true to form, ignoring these matters and instead calling for socialized, Federallycontrolled healthcare which would further subsidize the pharma cartel. This is just another example of his bait and switch tactics, a sloppy mess of disinfo and elite sponsored solutions. Psychiatry/ New Freedom Initiative Chomsky and his Left Gatekeepers also ignore the assault from psychiatric community, largely controlled by the Rockefellers and Tavistock Institute, who seek to define every neurosis as a mental illness in order to push more drugs. Bush has signed the New Freedom Initiative to forcibly psychologically test all K-12 students in public schools, screen them for "mental illnesses," and force the children to take the recommended drugs. This brainwashing agenda was pushed by the pharma cartel, with GlaxoSmithKline, Eli Lilly, Merck and others investing millions in buy-offs and lobbying. But news of this extraordinary Stalinist plan never graced the pages of Chomsky's editorials, nor Z Magazine, The Nation, the Progressive, and DemocracyNow. Perhaps this is because the New Freedom Initiative fits into their goal of government-controlled socialized health care. The New Freedom Initiative, bolder than Stalin's wildest dreams, is just a small part of the eugenics agenda; a dominant Globalist goal which Chomsky and his Left Gatekeeper bagmen aid and abet. Chomsky has never written about the sinister American Psychiatric Association, nor the role of it's former chief, Dr. Ewen Cameron, the aforementioned MK ULTRA villain and CIA child programmer. Key aspects of the scientific eugenics movement such as population control, abortion legalization, poisonous vaccinations, and stem cell research find their most vocal advocates on the far Left of the managed political debate. Leftist college majors like sociology advocate programs like parental licensing by the state, statecontrolled child care, and Chinese style childbirth laws with forced sterilization as a penalty. Leftists call for more vaccinations in the Third World despite the admittedly tainted vaccines used by the World Health Organization and UNICEF. All of this is indicative of an infiltrated movement, a Left deeply penetrated by Globalist agents driving activists into unwittingly championing the Brave New World.
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Population Control Population control by any means necessary is a major, some would say the major goal of the New World Order, perhaps even paramount to their goal of a cashless society control grid with microchipped slaves. The chief architects of population control are Bilderberg elitists like David and Nelson Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, Prince Philip, Ted Turner, Alexander Haig, and Cyrus Vance. Their Malthusian nightmare requires killing 90% of the "useless eaters" through war, genetically engineered viruses, and engineered starvation. Declassified documents like NSM 200 and Global 2000 lay the plans out with cold precision. Chomsky, the self-proclaimed radical, also advocates such depopulation methods. In Chomsky's book "Understanding Power," a collection of his talks with activists, a crowd member asks about population control, to which Chomsky responds: "If we continue to produce energy by combustion, the human race isn't going to survive much longer...Yeah, population control is another issue where it doesn't matter if you do it, everybody has to do it. It's like traffic: I mean you can't make driving a car survivable by driving well yourself; there has to be kind of a social contract involved, otherwise it won't work." (61) Chomsky and other gatekeepers claim to maintain the moral high ground, but then advocate the eugenics agenda pushed by elite roundtable groups like the Bilderberg and Club of Rome. How can Chomsky claim to be an advocate for the Third World while simultaneously pushing for the managed murder agenda favored by Henry Kissinger?" Gun Control Another one of the great successes of the Left gatekeeper has been pushing for unconstitutional gun control agenda through their publications like The Nation, Z Magazine, The Progressive, and their internet kin at DemocracyNow! & *********. It is a great achievement of propaganda when the supposed radicals "opposing Bush" call for a completely disarmed American populace and inflated budget for BATF thugs in ski masks. Chomsky mock s those who support the Constitutionally endowed right to bear arms. In fact, he says it doesn't exist: "It's pretty clear that, taken literally, the Second Amendment doesn't permit people to have guns. But laws are never taken literally, including amendments to the Constitution or constitutional rights. Laws permit what the tenor of the times interprets them as permitting." (Secrets, Lies, and Democracy)

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Then later in the interview, Chomsky is asked if guns are a proper way to respond to government tyranny. He responds as follows: "As for guns being the way to respond to this, that's outlandish. First of all, this is not a weak Third World country. If people have pistols, the government has tanks. If people get tanks, the government has atomic weapons. There's no way to deal with these issues by violent force, even if you think that that's morally legitimate. Guns in the hands of American citizens are not going to make the country more benign. They're going to make it more brutal, ruthless and destructive. So while one can recognize the motivation that lies behind some of the opposition to gun control, I think it's sadly misguided." (Secrets, Lies and Democracy) It would be one thing to hear such rhetoric out of the Fabian socialists in the Democratic party. But to have the supposed "fringe radicals" saying there is no second amendment and advocating gun seizures is remarkable. And because of globalist infiltration of the left, this policy once favored by Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and other mass murderers has found a comfortable home. Hence it has become common to hear activists protesting the Iraq quagmire while simultaneously calling for gun control. Environmental Front Groups As masters of propaganda, the Globalists have uses their Left Gatekeepers to push eugenics and population control as necessary for the environment. This has been accomplished through the phony environmental movement and Peak Oil fabrications. The Club of Rome, a globalist front group created in 1968, immediately began calling for population reduction under the guise of environmentalism. Other fronts like the World Wildlife Fund, managed by the aforementioned Prince Philip, vocally push for population control while seizing large swaths of land for "Mother Earth." Other pet projects such as the Kyoto Protocol, which would give the UN total control of energy resources, have floundered. Past WWF board members have included Bilderberg founder Prince Bernhard, Hollinger media gopher and Bilderberg member Conrad Black, Shell chairman John Loudon, King Juan Carlos of Spain, Prince Henrik of Denmark, and accused drug dealer Henry Keswick. Chomsky is one of the many re-direct agents who use the real environmental pollution problems to push for a fascist takeover by a world government. Much like the ideas discussed in the Report From Iron Mountain, he uses the threat of global warming to justify totalitarian control:

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"Suppose it was discovered tomorrow that the greenhouse effects has been way understimated, and that the catastrophic effects are actually going to set in 10 years from now, and not 100 years from now or something. Well, given the state of the popular movements we have today, we'd probably have a fascist takeover-with everybody agreeing to it, because that would be the only method for survival that anyone could think of. I'd even agree to it, because there's just no other alternatives right now." (Understanding Power, 388) Here is Noam Chomsky, openly advocating a fascist takeover because the ends justify the means. This is classic problem-reactionsolution programming, as he points to the real threat of pollution and then offers the solution of tyranny Peak Oil As previously stated, the environmental movement was funded and amplified by Globalist oil, banking, and drug cartels, with specific help from the Rockefeller Foundation. The WWF, along with other phony NGO's like the Sierra Club and Greenpeace consistently call for population reduction. Additionally these groups push the flat earth thesis of "Peak Oil," predicting that oil supplies will soon run out and of course...require massive worldwide population reductions. Chomsky posted an entry called "Peak Oil" on his blog in June, 2004, writing the following: "The basic theory is incontrovertible. The only questions have to do with timing and cost." Then in a radio interview with Steve Scherr, Chomsky said the following of Peak Oil: "There's another side to this, there's a sense in which it's advantageous if the oil peak is earlier. The reason why is it will compel the world, primarily the U.S. here, to move toward something like sustainable energy. If there's unbounded amounts of hydrocarbons, we're just going to destroy the environment for human life or most biological life, so the earlier the peak is, in some respects - yes, it could be catastrophic, it could also be beneficial." The "beneficial" aspects Chomsky discusses are likely the resulting population control and starvation that would ensue from such a shortage. But, in reality, oil is abiotic and constantly regenerating. This, while huge wells go untapped in Russia, Equatorial Guinea, Nigeria, Sudan, Cuba, Indonesia, Iraq, Alaska, Venezuela, Bolivia, Norway, and the Gulf of Mexico. Additionally, refinery capacity has been
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deliberately shut down by the oil oligopoly in order to create artificial supply shortages. Market prices are controlled by the AngloAmerican cartel and they intend to use this as a vehicle for engineered crises. At this years Bilderberg meeting Henry Kissinger reportedly predicted $100 a barrel oil within a year. The only possible result is a complete worldwide depression. It is within the "radical" Left that horror stories of diminishing oil find their home. Even within the 9-11 truth movement, authors like Mike Ruppert and Nafeez Ahmed have attempted to attach Peak Oil as the reason for government engineering of 9-11 and the wars in the Middle East. By polluting the activist movements with Peak Oil lies, the Globalists have created an army of strong advocates for $5 a gallon gasoline. Project for the New American Century (PNAC) Another triumph of Chomsky's disinfo campaign has been the active denial of the The Project for the New American Century (PNAC), a neocon group that published radical statements calling for world war, population control, and a worldwide police state back in 2000. The signatures on the documents included Dick Cheney and cabinet members like Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Armitage, Dov Zakheim, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, and Eliot Abrams. It was Zakheim who previously ran Systems Planning Inc., which made remote-control software for commercial airliners. Also as comptroller of the Pentagon, he lost over $3 trillion of taxpayer money without explanation. Yet his corruption was not singular; after Bush took his figurehead position in the stolen election of 2000, all of the PNAC radicals became the architects of 9-11 and purveyors of pre-war lies about Iraq. Their infamous "Rebuilding America's Defenses" document, produced in 2000 before 9-11, reads like prophecy, calling for theater wars against Iraq, Iran, and North Korea. They also admitted that "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor." September 11, anyone? They also openly called for killer viruses to wipe out large sectors of the human population. The document states: "[A]dvanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool." How can Chomsky and his kin ignore the statements of the PNAC cabal, whose mad plans for world domination read like the lost chapters of Mein Kampf? If the Left Gatekeepers won't discuss these published documents, how can we expect them to research the true history of AIDS and
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the potential emerging avian flu? Should we be surprised when they fail to mention the 60 plus dead microbiologists after 9-11, many of them leading researchers in emerging viruses? Should we look to Chomsky to find an expose of the heavy metals and biological agents in chemtrails? Isreal/Zionists Many authors of the PNAC documents were radical Zionists linked to the Likud party in Israel, who presented similar plans to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in 1996 ("Policy for a Clean Break"). Chomsky, the supposed critic of Israel, has been praised by followers for his books like "The Fateful Triangle" which detail many Israeli war crimes. Furthermore he often criticizes the Isreali-linked network dominating U.S. foreign policy. But as always, Chomsky again avoids the hardcore issues, instead speaking in glittering generalities. For example, he remains mute on the "Office of Special Plans," the ad-hoc nerve center of pre-war Iraq propaganda, run of Cheney's office. It was here that Zionist moles like Paul Wolfowitz, Larry Franklin, Douglas Feith, Stephen Cambone, and Richard Perle cooked up phony WMD threats, links 9-11, and collaboration between secular Iraq and Al-Qaeda. Those same gophers, many of them assets of the Israeli Likud party and intelligence syndicate Mossad, operated a two-way spy network; just as manufactured propaganda flowed from Mossad to the OSP moles, U.S. secrets on Iran secretly floated into Sharon's war cabinet. In the middle of all the traitorous espionage was the mafia don of all lobbying cartels, the Israeli-controlled AIPAC. Top level AIPAC officers like Steve Rosen often acted as a go-between, then using that same fake intelligence to strong-arm the Congress where they control both sides.. All parties mentioned, from Rosen to Franklin, are now under investigation from the FBI and Justice Department for the aforementioned crimes. Major articles in the Washington Post now admit Franklin, working with Feith and Cambone, was passing secrets to Israel through AIPAC. Chomsky has never spoken publically about any of these topics, and certainly not the Mossad involvement in false-flag terror events like the USS Liberty and connections to 9-11. Vote Fraud When he isn't busy covering up the facts surrounding 9-11 or the crimes of the CIA, Chomsky spends time actively denying the vote fraud of 2004, which ushered in another term for the neocon

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dictatorship. Chomsky often brags that he does not vote in presidential elections, noting that both sides are owned by corporations. But he has openly denied the role of electronic voting fraud in 2000 and the more prominent example of 2004. In 2004, exit polls in Ohio and Florida showed John Kerry winning by a comfortable margin, but mysteriously numbers showed a Bush victory. The room for vote fraud was immense. The Secretary of State in Ohio, Ken Blackwell, managed Bush's campaign in the state, much like Katherine Harris did in Florida during 2000. Diebold, the company which makes most of the electronic voting machines, is crawling with former CIA and NSA members and used convicted felons to design their software. The Diebold CEO Walden O'Dell is a Bush Pioneer and wrote in a GOP fundraising letter that he was "committed to delivering electoral votes to the President." The Diebold code is private and has been exposed as being easily hacked by Bev Harris at BlackBoxVoting.org. In North Carolina and Georgia, machines were throwing out 5,000 block votes for Bush without explanation. But none of this seems to interest Chomsky, who finds the accusations of vote fraud to be without merit: "I don't find the evidence compelling. An inaccurate count in itself is a random effect. As for collusion, yes, there are concerns, but concerns are not evidence. The problem that concerns you may or may not be real, but in my view, even if we take the worst case scenario, it is still marginal -just as the Florida chads were marginal in the 2000 elections. I know of no reason to suppose that electronic voting will have more than a random effect." Chomsky and the gatekeepers cannot discuss the fraud of electronic voting because it would awaken too many people to the total bankruptcy of the system. It is important that college activists at Berkeley think their vote for Ralph Nader counted. If they knew the entire game was rigged like a Don King boxing match, too many illusions would break down. World Government Chomsky plays the left gatekeeper role perfectly, presenting a false dialectic of the evil American imperialist as the antagonist aggressor, contrasted by the savior UN world government as the benevolent deux ex machina. This false propaganda model, pitting the imperialist U.S. against the godly UN fits the classic MO of "poisoning the well." Essentially, Chomsky acts as a re-direct agent: he acknowledges many crimes of American foreign policy and then offers world government and international law as the solution. The Globalists have long been masters of such a paradigm. In the
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early part of the 20th century, the same Wall Street bankers crafted the doctrines of Communism. While posing as a workers' liberation theology, it pushed for a central bank, world army, world court, world government, and the abolition of religion, private property, and the nation state. Like other "anarchist" agent provacatuers such as John Zerzan (who helped train violent mobs to ruin the Seattle WTO protests in 1999), Chomsky has called for the elimination of private property. He argues, "that some form of council communism is the natural form of revolutionary socialism in an industrial society." In fact, Chomsky goes further, pushing for the elimination of the nation-state and national sovereignty to be replaced by a one world government: "Well in my view what would be ultimately necessary would be a breakdown of the nation-state system- because I think that's not a viable system. It's not necessarily the natural form of human organization." (314) Chomsky, echoing rhetoric from the phony Marxist doctrines, is essentially endorsing the major goal of the world elite: the breakdown of national sovereignty in favor of a one-world government. Noam Chomsky is a shameless world government pimp, and has heaped lavish praise on men like Bertrand Russell who helped designed the New World Order. Lucky for him, Chomsky has been publicly rewarded for his faithful service to the UN cause. In Febraury 2004, he received the Award of Excellence at the UN Correspondents Association Club in New York. Previous winners included Globalist assets like Mikhail Gorbachev. UNESCO Since Chomsky is an avowed global government cheerleader, is it any surprise he supports some of the worst UN programs? U.N.E.S. C.O, the nightmare UN vehicle posing as an "aid" organization, finds a strong advocate with Chomsky. Long a pet project of the Malthusian-obsessed Rockefeller clan, U.N. E.S.C.O projects include filtering pro-UN propaganda into American schools and with the goal of eventually merging the curriculum with Mexico and Canada in the proposed Panamerican Union; and seizing control of huge swaths of American federal lands through "UN World Heritage" sites. The first U.N.E.S.C.O chief Julian Huxley said during his tenure in 1948: "The general philosophy of UNESCO should be a scientific world humanism, global in extent... It can stress the transfer of full sovereignty from separate nations to a world political organization Political unification in some sort of world government will be
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requiredto help the emergence of a single world culture." But Noam Chomsky, ever the advocate of the UN, endorses the goals of U.N.E.S.C.O wholeheartedly and lambastes the evil conservatives who question its motives: "U.N.E.S.C.O - because it's working for the Third World-we practically put them out of business. The United States launched a huge propaganda campaign against U.N.E.S.C.O. in the 1970's and Eighties- it was full of outrageous lies, totally fabricated, but nevertheless it sufficed to eliminate the Third World orientation of U. N.E.S.C.O. and make it stop doing things it was doing around the Third World, like improving literacy and health care and so on. (86) PROPAGANDA Many credit Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" with being the premier study of government propaganda. In Leftist circles it is hailed as a Bible, a rite of passage for any true activist to understand the system. But again, Chomsky's work, while appearing radical, is actually gatekeeper disinfo. Chomsky spends the entire book attempting to prove that newspapers diminish American war crimes while exaggerating those of foreign governments. Such a point is easy to prove, and he does so in his own droll and methodical method. Yet he stops there. Chomsky does not discuss the real elephant in the room: direct CIA collaboration with media outlets and journalists beginning in the 1950's under Operation Mockingbird. Chomsky avoids writing about Mockingbird, the CIA program which covertly put major publishing, newspaper, and media outlets, as well as thousands of individual reporters under direct agency control. Agents included Ben Bradlee at Newsweek, Henry Luce of Time and Life, and Arthur Sulzberger of The New York Times, Alfred Friendly of the Washington Post, and Joseph Harrison Christian Science Monitor. Shouldn't this a significant development for a historian authoring an honest study of propaganda? After all who is to say that this program doesn't still continue? The Bush administration has admitted spending hundreds of millions on fake newscasts and paying individual reporters like Armstrong Williams to push talking points in newspapers. What about the times they haven't been caught? Exactly how many mainstream commentary and news outlets work with the CIA and White House? Perhaps this is the reason why the scripts of the nightly news on ABC, CBS, and NBC are almost exactly the same, while Newsweek, Time, and the New York Times push the elitist agenda on cue (as seen most prominently in the run up to the war in Iraq).

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Furthermore Chomsky does not discuss collaboration between the Bilderberg Committee and the major media outlets. Shouldn't this concern the so-called radical anarchist, when media editors attend secret meetings calling for eugenics, world government, and a cashless society control grid? Owners, editors and writers from Time, Newsweek, Economist, Washington Post, New York Times, CBS, NBC, ABC and every news outlet in between have attended the world government meetings. Further, what about the influence of the CFR, which openly calls for a Panamerican Union and the end of American national sovereignty? The CFR counts amongst its members major editors, owners, and journalists in media outlets from PBS to CBS, CNN to News Corp., New Republic to U.S. News and World Report. Aren't these the reasons that journalists push the propaganda Chomsky identifies? In "Manufacturing Consent," Chomsky takes limited aim at an easy target. But he fails to dig deeper and examine the actual reasons why the propaganda permeates the mainstream media opinion. Clearly the influence of the CIA, CFR, Bilderberg Committee, and White House have turned major media outlets into little more than docile commissars. Furthermore, the interlocking interests of media owners with the military industrial complex have served to sway content even further. Chomsky's "classic" study is little more than a limited hangout project. He is merely shooting the messengers, blaming journalistic "bias" while failing to follow the trail of money, power, corruption, and black propaganda. Instead, he identifies some passive propaganda and is hailed as a brilliant analyst and purveyor of truth by the Leftist minions. But his true achievement is ignoring the reasons behind the lies, as he executes a masterful bait and switch tactic. Is it a coincidence that Chomsky's co-author for "Manufacturing Consent," Edward Herman, has also denied any government complicity in 9-11? While claiming to expose propaganda, Chomsky has perfected the art.
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part 3

part 3 CONCLUSIONS Chomsky and his gatekeeper contemporaries are perfect devices for the Globalists because they help define the limits of the false leftright paradigm. Much like David Horowitz, a former Leftist, currently does for the radical Right. Is it a surprise that he edited a book called "The Anti-Chomsky Reader?" It should only be natural since they both serve the same role of gatekeeper. Puppets like Horowitz, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity, Michele Malkin, William Kristol, William F. Buckley and their kin serve as Right Gatekeepers. They criticize the failures of liberals and Democrats and then call for Bush worshipping, illegal wars, fascist government, and giving up all of our Constitutional rights for "security." In doing so they pollute the conservative movement and help marginalize true conservatives voices like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, and groups like Gun Owners of America. Chomsky and his gatekeepers do the same thing. They write about the crimes of American imperialism and then call for population control, gun control, global government under the UN, and a totally socialized Brave New World society. The Left gatekeepers must manage the delicate tight rope act of appearing radical while in actuality calling for worldwide enslavement and murder. In all likelihood they get a little help from the propaganda scientists at the venerable Tavistock institute in London and adjuncts of the CIA's Mockingbird program; clearly the Left's denial of 9-11 truths has been too coordinated too have simply been a freak occurrence. In the mainstream it is the same with the staged battles between pawns like Democratic operative Al Franken and Republican Ann Coulter. All of this is designed to create a tight spectrum, a masterfully crafted false paradigm to enslave the mind and give the people false choices. Thus at either extreme of the spectrum and all points in between, from Chomsky to Horowitz, one finds they are endorsing total enslavement and global government. This is the genius of the New World Order, their complete castration of free political will through carefully managed propaganda agents. The rest of the media jackals serve as willing accomplices, mere useful idiots and power hungry sycophants with massive egos and more concern for their career than the truth. Noam Chomsky and his Left Gatekeeper associates must be actively exposed for their role in the propaganda system. For nearly 40 years since they infiltrated the activist movement, these Left

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gatekeepers have made the activist movements impotent, territorial, confused, and ineffective. Thus instead of understanding their enslavement, many activists end up calling for tighter chains by echoing Chomsky's calls for gun control, population control, and a world government under the UN. They end up critiquing the Iraq disaster without seeing government involvement in 9-11 and the CIA/MI-6/Mossad creation known as Al-Qaeda. Noam Chomsky and his clique of re-direct agents mercilessly push real activists into dead-end solutions. Until they are vocally exposed, the Left will continue to remain a managed asset of the New World Order.

Comment Douglas Herman 9-29-5 Like a great prosecuting attorney, Abrahamson dissects Chomskey until we see a cardboard figure of "dissent." The darling of the Left-Chomsky--is like a shallow desert lake glittering in the sun, a mile wide and an inch deep. For someone considered highly educated and an intellectual genius, Chomsky comes across as a closeminded man and lacking in the requisite skepticism of a truly great mind. The Left has been duped almost, but not quite, as much as the Right. The curious (overwhelming in sheer numbers) discrepancies of 9-11 and JFK, of Wellstone and Oklahoma City, befuddle the small minds of the Left as much as the Right. Some people are willing traitors and some people are pathetic accomplices, noting the crime but mis-identifying the culprits, either out of woeful ignorance or willingness. Either way, criminals. Abrahamson would convict them all in a court of law - if ever one existed. Douglas Herman
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Policewomen: An evolution in title, duties By Michael Ko Seattle Times staff reporter Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - Page updated at 12:00 A.M. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht..._women24m0.html Terri MacMillan graduated from the police academy in 1975, becoming part of the first class of female recruits to go through the same application process and training and fitness tests as the men. But it didn't mean acceptance on the streets. "It was a test every day," MacMillan recalled of her early days

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patrolling the West Precinct for the Seattle Police Department. "They (male officers) were going to see what you were going to do. They gawked a lot. ... They didn't know if they were supposed to open the door for us. "We knew we had to be athletic, motivated, driven to take on a challenge like this." The history of women in Seattle law enforcement is the subject of a symposium today at City Hall, 600 Fourth Ave. Photos and displays will be available for public viewing throughout the day. State Attorney General Christine Gregoire and Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels will speak. Women have been working as officers with the Seattle Police Department since 1912, according to records kept at the Seattle Metropolitan Police Museum in Pioneer Square. But female officers were assigned almost exclusively to social-work cases: juveniles, runaways or family issues. It wasn't until 1975 that the city officially reclassified their job titles, from policewoman to police officer. MacMillan, now sergeant of recruiting and staff development, said she relied on persistence, willpower and a good sense of humor to survive. At the same time, she knew she was establishing a precedent. "There were frustrating times and incidents," said MacMillan, who grew up in Lynnwood. "But we didn't want to screw up, and we didn't dare screw up. We were paving a path for the future of women in patrol and we knew that, absolutely." One of the most difficult obstacles, MacMillan said, was proving to male officers that women could handle themselves physically. "We had to build that trust that we could back them up if they were in trouble with a suspect," she said. "They had to see it for themselves. Because their wives couldn't do this job and their mothers hadn't done this job before." MacMillan worked as a detective for many years before being promoted to sergeant in 1996. In the 1940s and 1950s, female Seattle officers worked out of a separate division called the "women's bureau." In 1955, women were authorized to wear police uniforms: skirt, jacket, hat and heels. Judy Thomson, manager of the police museum, said that instead of a police belt, female officers carried leather shoulder purses with a built-in holster and room for handcuffs and bullets. In 1973, the first two full-time female officers were hired for patrol
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duty. In 1974, a woman was promoted to patrol sergeant for the first time. And in 1975, female officers began wearing belts and pants, same as the men. Still, Thomson said rumors persisted that women were not serious about police work, but just looking for husbands. Currently, of approximately 1,250 sworn officers in the department, 176 are women, including 20 sergeants, two lieutenants, one captain and one assistant chief. When MacMillan was hired, there were 20 other women in the department. Officer Suzanne Long, who has been with the Seattle police for about five years, said, "I don't feel the pressures that maybe Sergeant MacMillan felt. I feel equal to my male counterparts. ... I've never felt being a woman in this department has hindered me."
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I personally think women responding to calls and working a beat are a danger to themselves and their partners. 99 percent of women are no physical match for most men. I think they should be limited to non potenialy violent jobs, as should women in the armed services. Plus, you have the "man and woman" factor to deal with. But since most cops are politically correct automatons, they'll disagree. __________________ Bill of Rights - Void where prohibited by law
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quote:

Originally posted by MikeTx I personally think women responding to calls and working a beat are a danger to themselves and their partners. 99 percent of women are no physical match for most men. I think they should be limited to non potenialy violent jobs, as should women in the armed services. Plus, you have the "man and woman" factor to deal with. But since most cops are politically correct automatons, they'll disagree.

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I tend to agree with you about women in the military and in Law Enforcement and I am an officer.
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Thanks. __________________ Bill of Rights - Void where prohibited by law
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I have seen some female officers who were good looking.

:confused: Some of the women who are cops...are really good looking? Bambi Bambenek in Milwaukee....Jean Masse who worked for SD Highway Patrol....and others. And ...having a good looking female cop creates a hell of an interesting dynamic. It's hard to be rude or hate a good looking woman? Have you ever seen a good looking woman in uniform? It creates some sort of brain lock in which "it is almost impossible to be rude to a good looking woman who might put you in handcuffs and frisk you?" You know....this could be a hell of a weapon...and propaganda victory if the cops were smart enough to used good looking women to make them look good and avoid their much deserved reputation as "totally miserable pr-cks" who make organized crime look like a 4-H Social Club.
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Matt1
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Re: I have seen some female officers who were good looking. quote:

Originally posted by nealcassady234 :confused: Some of the women who are cops...are really good looking? Bambi Bambenek in Milwaukee....Jean Masse who worked for SD Highway Patrol....and others.

Didn't Bambenek pose in Playboy years ago?
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I think she did...and when she entered the police she was a babe

:confused: I also have a copy of Maxxum magazine that has a beutiful female copster posing seductively. Even Sioux Falls Police has an assistant chief who is an older blonde babe? This recruitment of good looking women for police work is a hell of a good idea. It's hard to hate the local cops when they promoted a good looking woman to assistant chief. Also the police chief in town looks like a real white collar professional guy....not the usual "redneck bull" alpha male. The local prosecutor, Dave Nelson, is known and respected as fair man who does not engage in Win at all costs sort of witchhunts. Randy Sample seems like a decent, level headed guy who is not a zealot or a terrible witchhunter. Some of the other prosecutors seem like "bitter, miserable, punitive" ball busters though. And officer Christensen, who pulled me over in Sept 2003, seemed like a pretty good, by the book type of copster. Not a bad guy...just an honest guy who thought he had probable cause. 1) About Bambi Bembenek....looks like she really got framed by Milwaukee PD. Here boyfriend was a disgruntled husband who seems to be behind the murder of his estranged wife...so the gun was planted to make Bambi look like the shooter. I terrible saga about coverups and how easy it is to frame just about anybody for any crime?! 2) If you think about it...."cops can plant drugs or a smoking gun in anybody's car"....and the entire community will be stringing up the lynch rope?! Alot of people don't have alibis because "they are not

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in the company of someone else, all the time?!" With this kind of power in the hands of the police with no way of proving one's innocence...."you got to wonder about whether sodium pentathole or amytal should be used?!" 3) If your innocent...."you should be lunging for a way to prove your innocence...therefore, you should be begging for a polygraph or sodium pentathole." In 1992, SFPD wouldn't give me a polygraph that I agreed to take on the spot?! 4) The people who really are at risk of being framed are people with priors and criminal history and no ability to testify on the stand without having their past crimes brought up. And these guys do get targeted alot. "Why let a crime occur that the cops can use to take somebody out of society," seems to be the attitude in cases where no forensic evidence ties the suspect to the crime. 5) Of course....forensic science is only as credible as the integrity of the people gathering the evidence as well as the scientist testifying. A book about the FBI Crime Lab showed that pro prosecution witnesses were making assertions that did not pass "peer review" or lead to "misleading statements about matchs" when in fact the match was not a perfect match. 6) The FBI has relied for decades on hair and fiber evidence under the theory that "microscopic fibers" travel with the perp from either their home to the crime scene or to their home from the crime scene. This is great as long as you can trust cops who can easily take a carpet fiber and move it?! So...whoever is in charge of the evidence is in charge of the outcome of the trial?! If this "planting of evidence" was better known, "I think alot of potential criminals would refrain from crimes knowing they could be framed anytime the cop's suspect them." The truth could work as a deterrent to crime?! 7) In Austin...we had deputy Keith Ruiz shot during a No Knock raid. The shot was supposed to have been fired through a door's window. The door somehow dissappeared and was not examined for forensic evidence by the defence?! How do cops get away with loseing a door?! I think the fatal shot was fired by a member of the assault team....who then figured, "since the homeowner did fire a shot, we'll just charge him with actually killing the deputy?" 8) Also....at Waco....The Texas Rangers said they saw FBI carting off the Davidian church front door that defence attorney Dick DeGeurian described as having "bullet holes entering the door and none leaving the church?" Thus....it appears that one Davidian's story was correct when he said that "Koresh came to the door to make peace and let The BATF inside, when BATF started shooting?!" The Davidians, like most home owners, "fired in self defence" but were framed as the aggressors?! This type of spin control where "cops can do no wrong" is very disturbing and all too common. The public is far too gullible and far too willing to believe
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anything the cop's say?! 9) Notice how at OK CITY...the Murray building was demolished shortly after the explosion before defence counsel could file a motion to preserve the evidence for traces of C4 placed on the inside of the building like retired Air Force General Partin said happened?! 10) In the O.J. case....the defence did a good job showing that blood on the fence was not found until latter when Van Atter was walking around with a vile of O.J.'s blood?! 11) In 1990 Judi Bari (Earth First organizer) had an FBI bomb blow up in her car. San Fran FBI bomb experts were in the neighborhood and immediatly showed up to intentionally misread the evidence claiming the bomb was in the back of the car when it was obvious the bomb was under the seat?! This actually led to state prosecutors dropping all charges weeks later after they saw the photos did not match the FBI's bogus expert opinion?! I point out that prior to this, the San Fran FBI held "bomb school" at a timber company site where the FBI practised building bombs and reading bomb scenes with Oakland PD dutifullly being prepared to follow The FBI's expert opinions?! 12) This is about the arrogance of the police. This is about the gullibility of the public to believe the police. This is further proof of the media's failure to give focus to police crimes?!
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Re: I think she did...and when she entered the police she was a babe quote:

Originally posted by nealcassady234 8) Also....at Waco....The Texas Rangers said they saw FBI carting off the Davidian church front door that defence attorney Dick DeGeurian described as having "bullet holes entering the door and none leaving the church?" Thus....it appears that one Davidian's story was correct when he said that "Koresh came to the door to make peace and let The BATF inside, when BATF started shooting?!" The Davidians, like most home owners, "fired in self defence" but were framed as the aggressors?! This type of spin control where "cops can do no wrong" is very disturbing and all too common. The public is far too gullible and far too willing to believe anything the cop's say?!

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Waco was dicked up from the start. Koresh was said to go jogging on a regular basis and should have been picked up then. Instead they waited until he was back to his compound and we all know what happened then.
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Also...on Waco?

:confused: I read something else on Waco...in which BATF had some undercover operatives living nearby to chum along and gain intell. These guys shot guns with the Davidians....and somehow Koresh got the feeling that they were copsters...so "he did offer to let them inspect his guns for any violations." If you read the warrant....BATF was looking for guns converted into machine guns...and some other stuff. The raid was a PR show on some people who "had some bizarre habits or beliefs or lifestyles." It's sort of common to demonize someone who is different from you or your culture's view of what is right. There are alot of lessons in the whole Waco story that covers Constitutional Rights....to police perceptions of reality....to the scapegoat's perception of reality....to pyschodynamics of group violence....to stand off negotiations...to FBI mentality....to the legal consequences of the whole thing. Funny how the Davidians got prosecuted....when....it seems that some Davidians fought in self defence....and others (according to a book written by one of the Davidian survivors) "hid under their beds and did not take up arms." Looking at The FBI's handling of this, you realize that the San Antonio SAC was mentally incompetent for this fact pattern. The team of negotiators all warned the SAC not to rattle their cage.... yet....The FBI cut off utilities, played annoying music, used spot lights, used Bradley fighting vehicles to run over the Davidian toys? All of this while the public watched knowing that 26 kids were also being harassed?! If The FBI had not have practised the old "attack the victim" game calling Koresh a pedophile (despite the fact that Texas Dept. of

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Child Protective Services investigated finding nothing) than I think their would have been more of an uproar. Of course....uh...."you're not supposed to shoot back at cops when they break down your door"....but....uh...."sometimes people feel that the home is their castle"....and....uh...."I'm not too sure about that warrant." The warrant kind of looks like a pretext to do a PR raid. It kind of looks like, "Koresh would have allowed a peaceful search of the weapons?!" It looks like "Koresh came to the door after being tipped off to let BATF come in and do a search....and BATF (fearing they were dealing with well armed wackos) opened up on Koresh at the door?! I can't blame the Davidians for returning the fire...."they probably thought BATF was gonna shoot them?!" There is also some testimony on "the cops shooting at the Davidians when the church was on fire....and shooting from the helicopter?!" Another issue is "whether that CS gas is flammable in high enough concentrations?!" That sure could explain why that church went up so quick in all areas in which the gas was introduced?!" Also, "whether that gas is toxic to five year old little girls?" These No Knock searches should only be employed in very limited circumstances.....too dangerous for the homeowner and the cops.
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I have a number of problems with the idea of lady cops. 1) I think that male cops often act extra-aggressively around lady cops in an effort to be the alpha male and earn the admiration of the lady cop. This leads to obvious negative consequences for the suspect. 2) I think lady cops often feel compelled to try and be "one of the guys". Thus they consciously attempt to out-macho the guys, leading to behaviour which can be worse than the average male cop. The same phenomenon can sometimes be observed with black cops- ie both are putative outsiders trying to fit in, and both often have big chips on their shoulders. 3) As already mentioned, lady cops are no match for a man in a physical altercation, so I suspect that lady cops may be more willing to escalate to the use of deadly force when confronted with a potentially violent situation, especially when backup is not in the immediate vicinity. I would be very interested in finding accurate stats comparing the frequency with which deadly force is used by male and female cops respectively.

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4) There are indeed many many bull-dyke lesbian cops. In fact, there is an entire subculture of them in many big-city police departments. These cops, in my opinion, are some of the worst of the worst. See #2 above, in spades. They often seem bound and determined to have their revenge on a society which largely rejects them. __________________
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females are much better in dealing with children and female rape victims. I will give them credit for that.
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I volunteer to be frisked by good looking female cops.

:confused: I don't mind if a good looking female cop wants to talk to me or frisk me...I just hope she takes her time and does a thorough job. Good looking female cops could violate someone's Fourth Amendment rights, smile, and not even piss you off?!
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Matt1 I'm SURPRISED at you! I've been on the job well over 25 years! I did have to be as competent and beyond my male colleagues! To date I've exceeded my own expectations! More than that I kept my "personal" life separate from the job. It is difficult but can be done. Women can excel in EVERY FACET of Police Work not only "specialized areas." The concept that women should be relegated to "female" type work is ridiculous! Women are far less aggressive in many instances than males when approaching a violent situation. Women are less apt to shoot first ask questions later. The other "archaic concept" is that if a female chooses law enforcement she MUST BE gay! This only reinforces those males who are INSECURE about their own Masculinity! There's no doubt you have gay male & female officers - just as you have equally inept officers who were hired because the passed a "test" or were appointed because of "Affirmative Action!" When I met flack from my male counterparts were when they "felt" the assignment should've gone to them or the overtime, etc. I never KNEW males could be such "cry babies!" I always thought working with men I wouldn't experience the "bitchiness" associated with the female persuassion! Gee! Was I WRONG! Guys bitch & moan 1000% MORE than most females! This pattern is easing somewhat but it'll never be completely erradicated!
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Originally posted by BLUE IN N.Y.C. Matt1 I'm SURPRISED at you! I've been on the job well over 25 years! I did have to be as competent and beyond my male colleagues! To date I've exceeded my own expectations!

I am very sorry to offend you. I guess my opinion was tainted from the female officers I worked with. They were very good at handling children and rape victims to there credit, but not much for backup when it counted. One actually screwed up so bad as to let somebody go that was featured on America's Most Wanted. Again, I am sorry to lump all females into the same category. Please forgive me and spare me the pistol whipping.
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I've noticed that when they send a dike cop out they usually send male cops with her to protect her. __________________
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Wire and Electronic Communications Interception and Interception of Oral Communications As provided by info at http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/ cybercrime/18usc2511.htm (g) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter [18 USCS §§ 2510 et seq.] or chapter 121 of this title [18 USCS §§ 2701 et seq.] for any person-(i) to intercept or access an electronic communication made through an electronic communication system that is configured so that such electronic communication is readily accessible to the general public;
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(ii) to intercept any radio communication which is transmitted-(I) by any station for the use of the general public, or that relates to ships, aircraft, vehicles, or persons in distress; (II) by any governmental, law enforcement, civil defense, private land mobile, or public safety communications system, including police and fire, readily accessible to the general public; (III) by a station operating on an authorized frequency within the bands allocated to the amateur, citizens band, or general mobile radio services; or (IV) by any marine or aeronautical communications system; (iii) to engage in any conduct which-(I) is prohibited by section 633 of the Communications Act of 1934; or (II) is excepted from the application of section 705(a) of the Communications Act of 1934 [47 USCS § 605(a)] by section 705(b) of that Act [47 USCS § 605(b)]; (iv) to intercept any wire or electronic communication the transmission of which is causing harmful interference to any lawfully operating station or consumer electronic equipment, to the extent necessary to identify the source of such interference; or (v) for other users of the same frequency to intercept any radio communication made through a system that utilizes frequencies monitored by individuals engaged in the provision or the use of such system, if such communication is not scrambled or encrypted. __________________
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Wouldn't this make the laws in KY and NY that make having a scanner in a car illegal, null and void? Federal law supersedes state law and it specifically says it's not illegal, so a state shouldn't be able to enforce a state law that makes them illegal under any circumstances. Of course I juke woke up, and I may be missing something here, but it seems likes basic law to me. __________________
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The term "preemption" is also used in federal statutes in the context of land, such as in the historic Preemption Act of 1841, which allowed settlers the opportunity to legally obtain title to land if a settler remained on a plot of land for a certain time. This article does not cover that legal use of the term. [edit] Types of preemption Two situations where preemption claims might arise: express preemption and implied preemption. 1. Express preemption occurs where Congress says within the statute 'we hereby preempt.' Here, federal laws are explicitly precluding state and local regulations. 2. Implied preemption has, within itself, three subcategories: conflicts preemption, preemption because state law impedes the achievement of a federal objective, and preemption because federal law occupies the field. * Conflicts preemption is where it is impossible to comply with both the federal statute and the state or local law. In this situation, the federal statute must be followed. It is, however, appropriate to have two laws, one federal and one state, that differ. The federal law, in this case, may be a minimum standard, while the state enacts a law to be more strict. State law, therefore, would not be preempted. Preemption would only occur if the federal and state laws were mutually exclusive. * The second type of implied preemption is preemption because state law impedes the achievement of a federal objective. This type of preemption occurs when a state or local law interferes with a goal or objective Congress was trying to attain with a federal statute. The purpose of each law must be determined and compared to each other. If both laws are trying to achieve the same goal, federal law will preempt the state or local regulation. * The final type of implied preemption is preemption because federal law occupies the field. In this situation, one must look at Congress's intent, and whether the federal law was meant to be exclusive in that area. The most common examples are in areas of foreign policy and immigration for the better of human kind. Implied preemption has also been held to apply to the Labor Management Relations Act (LMRA), giving the federal government the exclusive jurisdiction to resolve Labor Union versus Employer contract disputes, as well as the
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Below is a FEDERAL-level preemption of lower-level state and local laws which regulate the reception of public service frequencies. (PR 91-36) In most cases, licensed amateur radio operators (hams) are exempted in the laws; but not always. The following document makes your out-of-band (OOB) capable mobile transceivers legal everywhere in the U.S.
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It is a Memorandum, Opinion and ORDER, and it carries the same level of authority as actual law, and it must be obeyed. This document has been out for nearly 15 years, and yet most people are not even aware of it's existence. In it, the FCC holds that lower-level laws restricting the usage

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out-of-band-capable transceivers by licensed hams are preeempted by federal law. Should your transceiver ever be confiscated for scanning out-of-band of the ham frequencies, use this, and and it should get you out of trouble. I recommend printing out the PDF version (link provided below). The PDF version comes straight from the FCC Record. It's likely that this STILL will not prevent a ticket and/or confiscation; but now you have something to take with you to the courtroom at least. (Note that PR 91-36 ONLY applies to the use of OOB-capable amateur transceivers, and not to actual scanners.) Attachment: pr91-36.pdf
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Here is the text of the above-attached document: ________________________________________ Before the Federal Communications Commission, Washington, DC 20554 (PR Docket 91-36)

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In the Matter of Federal Preemption of State and Local Laws Concerning Amateur Operator Use of Transceivers Capable of Reception Beyond Amateur Service Frequency Allocations

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MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER Adopted: August 20, 1993; | Released: September 3, 1993 By the Commission: I. INTRODUCTION %ª 1. On November 14, 1989, the American Radio Relay League, Incorporated (ARRL), filed a Motion for a Declaratory Ruling requesting that the Commission preempt certain state statutes and local ordinances affecting transceivers used by Amateur Radio Service Licensees. The laws referenced by the ARRL prohibit the possession of such transceivers if they are capable of the reception of communications on certain frequencies other than amateur service frequencies. On March 15, 1990, we released a public notice inviting comment on ARRL's request. In addition, on February 28, 1991, we released a Notice of Inquiry that solicited additional comment to assist us in making a decision in this matter. This Memorandum Opinion and Order grants the request to the extent indicated herein. II. BACKGROUND %ª 2. The ARRL motion discusses state statutes and local ordinances commonly known as "scanner laws," the violation of which may be a criminal misdemeanor with the possibility of equipment confiscation. Specifically, ARRL notes that state statutes in New Jersey and Kentucky (which have subsequently been changed --see paragraph 3, infra) prohibit the possession of a mobile short-wave radio capable of receiving frequencies assigned by the Commission for, inter alia, police use. In addition, ARRL states that local ordinances exist throughout the United States that similarly prohibit the possession of such mobile short-wave radios without a locally-issued permit. Therefore, ARRL explains, scanner laws can, inter alia, render amateur radio licensees traveling interstate by automobile vulnerable to arrest and to the seizure of their radio equipment by state or local police. %ª 3. Since the ARRL motion was filed with the Commission, New Jersey repealed its statute and substituted a new, narrowly tailored scanner law that only applies in the criminal context. In addition, Kentucky amended its statute by adding an exemption applying to amateur radio licensees. As a result, there no longer appears to be any state scanner law with a deleterious effect on the legitimate operations of amateur radio service licensees. Nonetheless, the preemption issue raised by the ARRL motion remains timely because it appears that some local scanning ordinances remain in effect without safeguards to protect the legitimate use of such radios by our licensees.

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III. MOTION, INQUIRY AND COMMENTS A. The ARRL Motion. %ª 4. ARRL makes two arguments in support of preemption. First, it states that the receiver sections of the majority of commercially available amateur station transceivers can be tuned slightly past the edges of the amateur service bands to facilitate adequate reception up to the end of the amateur service bands. ARRL seeks a preemption ruling that would permit amateur operators to install in vehicles transceivers that are capable of this "incidental" reception. Although ARRL's formal request is couched in terms of this first, technical point, the request focuses almost entirely on a second, broader issue of whether state and local authorities should be permitted, via the scanner laws, to prohibit the capability of radio reception by amateur operators on public safety and special emergency frequencies that are well outside the amateur service bands. %ª 5. Concerning the broader issue, ARRL argues that amateur operators have special needs for broadscale "out-of-band" reception, and that the marketplace has long recognized these needs by offering accommodating transceivers. According to ARRL, all commercially manufactured amateur service HF transceivers and the majority of such VHF and UHF transceivers have non-amateur service frequency reception capability well beyond the "incidental" -- they can receive across a broad spectrum of frequencies, including the police and other public safety and special emergency frequencies here at issue. This additional capability, argues ARRL, permits amateur operators to participate in a variety of safety activities, some in conjunction with the military or the National Weather Service. In both cases, reception on non-amateur frequencies is necessary. Such activities benefit the public, according to ARRL, especially in times of emergency, and some require the mobile use of the amateur stations. ARRL states that, in addition, the vast majority of amateur operators take part in these mobile activities, and that the widespread enforcement of scanner laws would render illegal the possession of virtually all modern amateur mobile equipment. ARRL states that, as a result of scanner laws, "several dozen instances of radio seizure and criminal arrest [have been] suffered by licensed amateurs." B. The Inquiry and Comments. %ª 6. The Commission's February 28, 1991 Inquiry solicited additional information concerning the technical and financial feasibility of modifying existing amateur service mobile transceivers to render them incapable of receiving police or other public safety channels. We also asked for information concerning the current and future marketplace availability of mobile equipment meeting the restrictions of the laws and whether there is value in having an available pool of wide-band,

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mobile amateur equipment in the United States to meet emergency needs. %ª 7. In response to the Inquiry, we received 115 comments and reply comments, of which the great majority are from individual amateurs who support the preemption. One commenter, the Michigan Department of State Police, states that although it cooperates with the amateur service during emergencies, it is concerned about isolated incidents of apparently unlawful actions taken by amateur licensees upon receipt of public safety communications outside of the amateur radio band. Therefore, it concludes that "there can be no beneficial need for amateur radio equipment to tune in public safety channels." Of the remaining comments received, only a few address the technical and marketplace questions described above. These comments are from individual amateur operators who state that existing wide-band transceivers cannot be modified to meet the restrictions of the scanner laws without substantial expense and that this situation will continue as new equipment becomes available. Despite our specific request in the Inquiry that manufacturers comment on these technical and financial questions, no manufacturer chose to respond on these points. We also received a few comments describing the prevalence of scanner laws nationwide. Finally, the National Communications System (NCS), of the Department of Defense, states in its comment that the federal government utilizes amateur operators in a number of programs requiring mobile, wide-band transceivers. IV. DISCUSSION %ª 8. There are three ways state and local laws may be preempted. First, Congress may expressly preempt the state or local law. Second, Congress may, through legislation, clearly indicate its intent to occupy the field of regulation, leaving "no room for the States to supplement." Last, and most important for this discussion, [e]ven where Congress has not completely displaced state regulation in a specific area, state law [may be] nullified to the extent that it actually conflicts with federal law. Such a conflict arises when "compliance with both federal and state regulations is a physical impossibility,"...or when state law "stands as an obstacle to the accomplishment and execution of the full purposes and objectives of Congress." Furthermore, "[f]ederal regulations have no less preemptive effect than federal statutes." %ª 9. The amateur service is regulated extensively under Part 97 of the Commission's Rules, 47 C.F.R. Part 97. As we have stated
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in the past: [T]here is...a strong federal interest in promoting amateur communications. Evidence of this interest may be found in the comprehensive set of rules that the Commission has adopted to regulate the amateur service. Those rules set forth procedures for the licensing of stations and operators, frequency allocations, technical standards which amateur radio equipment must meet and operating practices which amateur operators must follow. We recognize the Amateur Radio Service as a voluntary, noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications. Moreover, the Amateur Radio Service provides a reservoir of trained operators, technicians and electronic experts who can be called on in times of national or local emergencies. By its nature, the Amateur Radio Service also provides the opportunity for individual operators to further international goodwill. This federal interest in the amateur service is also reflected in Section 97.1 of our rules, 47 C.F.R. § 97.1, which provides that the amateur service exists to "continu[e] and exten[d]...the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art." This regulatory purpose is consistent with the Communications Act requirement that "[i]t shall be the policy of the United States to encourage the provision of new technologies to the public." %ª 10. The strong federal interest in the preservation and advancement of the amateur service is also demonstrated by Congress's recent recognition of the goals of the amateur service in a "Sense of Congress" provision in which Congress strongly encouraged and supported the amateur service. Congress therein directed all Government agencies to take into account the valuable contribution of amateurs when considering actions affecting the amateur radio service. We believe that the strong federal interest in supporting the emergency services provided by amateurs cannot be fully accomplished unless amateur operators are free to own and operate their stations to the fullest extent permitted by their licenses and are not unreasonably hampered in their ability to transport their radio transmitting stations across state and local boundaries for purposes of transmitting and receiving on authorized frequencies. Indeed, as a result of advances in technology making smaller, lighter weight radios commercially available, the Commission has expressly amended its rules to facilitate and encourage unrestricted mobile amateur operations. As we

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noted in a recent rule making proceeding to modify the rules governing the amateur radio service, In the age of the microprocessor and the integrated circuit [amateur] equipment is highly portable. It is common for amateur operators to carry hand-held transceivers capable of accessing many local repeaters in urban areas and also capable of reasonably good line-ofsight communication. It appears that the concept of fixed station operation no longer carries with it the same connotation it did previously. For this reason, we propose to delete current rules that relate to station operation away from the authorized fixed station location. As a consequence of these changes, the rules now expressly authorize amateur service operation "at points where the amateur service is regulated by the FCC," that is, at fixed and mobile locations throughout the United States. Furthermore, the Commission's Rules do not in any way prohibit an amateur service transceiver from having out-of-band reception capability. %ª 11. Against this background, we conclude that certain state and local laws, as described below, conflict with the Commission's regulatory scheme designed to promote a strong amateur radio service. Scanner laws that prohibit the use of transceivers that transmit and receive amateur frequencies because they also receive public safety, special emergency or other radio service frequencies frustrate most legitimate amateur service mobile operations through the threat of penalties such as fines and the confiscation of equipment. As noted by ARRL, virtually all modern amateur service equipment in use today can receive transmissions on the public safety and special emergency frequencies at issue, and the majority of amateur stations are operated in a mobile fashion. Consequently, the mobile operations of the vast majority of amateurs are affected by such laws. In addition, the record statements by amateurs that the costs would be substantial to modify existing transceivers are unchallenged. The scanner laws, then, essentially place the amateur operator in the position of either foregoing mobile operations by simply avoiding all use of the equipment in vehicles or other locations specified in the laws, or risking fines, or equipment confiscation. This very significant limitation on amateurs operating rights runs counter to the express policies of both Congress and the Commission to encourage and support amateur service operations, including mobile operations, and impermissibly encroaches on federal authority over amateur operators. It conflicts directly with the federal interest in amateur operators being able to transmit and receive on authorized amateur service frequencies.

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%ª 12. For these reasons, we find it necessary to preempt state and local laws that effectively preclude the possession in vehicles or elsewhere of amateur service transceivers by amateur operators merely on the basis that the transceivers are capable of reception on public safety, special emergency, or other radio service frequencies, the reception of which is not prohibited by federal law. We find that, under current conditions and given the types of equipment available in the market today, such laws prevent amateur operators from using their mobile stations to the full extent permitted under the Commission's Rules and thus are in clear conflict with federal objectives of facilitating and promoting the Amateur Radio Service. We recognize the state law enforcement interest present here, and we do not suggest that state regulation in this area that reasonably attempts to accommodate amateur communications is preempted. This decision does not pertain to scanner laws narrowly tailored to the use of such radios, for example, for criminal ends such as to assist flight from law enforcement personnel. We will not, however, suggest the precise language that must be contained in state and local laws. We do find that state and local laws must not restrict the possession of amateur transceivers simply because they are capable of reception of public safety, special emergency or other radio service frequencies, the reception of which is not prohibited by federal law, and that a state or local permit scheme will not save from preemption an otherwise objectionable law. Finally, we note, as stated by APCO in comments filed previously in this proceeding, that any public safety agency that desires to protect the confidentiality of its communications can do so through the use of technology such as scrambling or encryption. V. CONCLUSION %ª 13. We hold that state and local laws that preclude the possession in vehicles or elsewhere of amateur radio service transceivers by amateur operators merely on the basis that the transceivers are capable of the reception of public safety, special emergency, or other radio service frequencies, the reception of which is not prohibited by federal law, are inconsistent with the federal objectives of facilitating and promoting the amateur radio service and, more fundamentally, with the federal interest in amateur operator's being able to transmit and receive on authorized amateur service frequencies. We therefore hold that such state and local laws are preempted by federal law. %ª 14. Accordingly, IT IS ORDERED that the request for a declaratory ruling filed by the ARRL IS GRANTED to the extent indicated herein and in all other respects IS DENIED. FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION

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If your state or local law prohibits the use of mobile scanners and the agency you wish to monitor uses the VHF, UHF or 800 MHz band, the workaround is fairly simple: 1) Study and get your Amateur Radio license. Study materials can be found on the internet, and many books are in publication - I recommend study materials by author Gordon West. Testing facilities for your area along with the dates and times can usually be found online also. Most Amateur radio clubs sponsor testing dates in their local area several times per year. (The Technicial-class test consists of 35 multiple-choice questions and is fairly simple to pass). 2) Once licensed, purchase a dual-band mobile or handheld amateur tranceiver with out-of-band reception. Most units manufactured have OOB reception, many dual band units include 800 MHz reception also. 3) Print a copy of the above .pdf file containing the federal exemption and carry it in your vehicle along with a copy of your Amateur Radio license. 4) Listen to your local police agency's communications to your hearts content. Keep in mind that even with PR 91-36, the use of a mobile scanner (receiver) may still be prohibited. PR 91-36 applies only to out-of-band capable transceivers.

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See what you need to know to obtain a Technician Class FCC Amateur Radio license - Take a practice test here: http://www.qrz.com/testing.html Browse other study materials here: https://secure.qrz.com/store/w5yi/index.html Find a testing location near you: http://www.dxzone.com/cgi-bin/dir/jump2.cgi?ID=28

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Below is a list of states that allow/prohibit the use of mobile police scanners. NOTE: Mobile scanner use is allowed in all 50 states if the user is a licenced Amateur Radio Operator. If you live in a state that prohibits mobile scanner use and you want to use a mobile scanner, a few weeks of studying and a test will earn you your Amateur License. If you want more information on obtaining Amateur licensing, contact me at a.shemonia@neonlaw.com.

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I just received this email from urei@aol.com:
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Hello. I live in New York State and I work for the State Senate here. I'm writing to advise you that scanner use in a car is NOT legal in NY and the law here has NO PROVISION for hams to do so. Please amend your column to state this. I can provide the exact language from the DMV publication if necessary. Mike

Perhaps he is right, I don't know. The above posted information was current as of its original publishing date. __________________
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It appears as if the swine in New York and the sleazy, scumbag politicians who enable/cover for them are especially anxious to avoid being held accountable for their behavior. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom"

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See: http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...&threadid=19468 __________________
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request for scanner frequencies for Ponca City, Ok. police and fire. thank you
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Houston Police: Attachment: houston.png
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Do you have this information for Austin, Dallas, and Fort Worth (particularly the last one). Do I need an FCC license to operate one?
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You do not need a FCC license to operate a scanner, although many municipalities have their own laws restricting the use of scanners. See the list of scanner laws by state here: http:// www.copwatch.net/forums/show...&threadid=13472
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Here's a few that I can recall, feel free to post any humorous or otherwise interesting things you've heard on a scanner. Benton IL, (Franklin Co) early 2006: Officer conducts traffic stop, runs 10-28 (license plate check).
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Dispatch returns 28 info as belonging to the town Mayor, Gary Kraft. Lieutenant tells the officer to terminate the traffic stop, then scolds the officer for not running the 10-28 BEFORE initiating the traffic stop.

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----------------------Aurora, IL (Kane Co) 2004: North Central Narcotics Task Force (NCNTF, 154.95) is conducting surveillance on what they believe to be subjects attempting to sell narcotics. After nearly an hour of surveillance (that I listened to, it is unknown how long the operation was underway), units are told by Commander to cease surveillance as the "suspects" are in fact Federal DEA agents involved in an undercover operation and they had spotted the NCNTF surveillance units. Makes me wonder why they didn't notify local LE of the operation? ----------------------Dekalb County IL, 2004: Off-duty Illinois State Trooper in personal vehicle is pulled over by County unit on suspicion of DWI. Trooper (suspect) keys on ISPERN (155.4750, a statewide mutual aid frequency) from his personal vehicle and requests any available State Units to back him up as he is being harassed. Deputy Sheriff arrives and tells responding ISP units to leave the scene or face a charge of obstruction of justice. Trooper fails field sobriety tests and is placed under arrest. According to later media reports, trooper pleads to a lesser charge of unlawful transportation of alcohol and receives 90 days court supervision. ----------------------Aurora, IL (Kane Co) 2001: Intoxicated female reports her six week old child has "wandered off" and cannot be found. Officers respond and find child sleeping naked in baby crib with live pet rabbit and empty liquor container. Intoxicated mother is arrested and charged with neglect, referred to DCFS. __________________
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officer. Even if the collateral effect of the Internet posting is to shame the officer, this effect is the result of the Officer's crimes. We agree with the state that the right to be free from the shame, stigma and embarrassment resulting from crimes committed by Sworn Officers of the Law is not the kind of fundamental right contemplated by our constitution." - Illinois Supreme Court All statements and opinions expressed are my personal opinions and are not to be viewed as fact. I am not a speaking agent for Copwatch and have no authority to bind Copwatch or to act on its behalf. My opinions, ideas, theories and beliefs are my own and are not necessarily supported, condoned (or often even appreciated) by Copwatch, it's subsidiaries or agents. Report this post to a moderator |

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Originally posted by GC505 Aurora, IL (Kane Co) 2001: Intoxicated female reports her six week old child has "wandered off" and cannot be found.
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Officers respond and find child sleeping naked in baby crib with live pet rabbit and empty liquor container. Intoxicated mother is arrested and charged with neglect, referred to DCFS.

It would have been icing on the cake to find out that the woman was a cop or a cop's wife. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the everaccumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg

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Sounds much more entertaining than TV. Those cops are unintentional comedians. __________________
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Can it be things heard back when scanners picked up home phone freqs and home phones actually were able to be picked up? I heard some stuff from women talking about a baby that was deeply disturbing.
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Certainly. What did you hear? Of course the conversation was heard back when cell/cordless monitoring was legal... __________________
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New Jersey Assembly Bill A 4146 and Senate Bill S 1099/2764 were introduced in the New Jersey legislature to restrict cell phone use and text messaging while driving. The twin measures were passed on June 21st and await the governor's signature. As originally introduced, the bills would have prohibited the use of any and all electronic communications devices for talking, listening or text messaging while driving. This could have meant that New Jersey ham operators would have effectively been banned from operating while mobile in motion. But that won't be the case. This is because the combined measure as passed includes a sentence that makes Amateur Radio the only service exempt from the all inclusive ban. That

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hard fought for exemption reads -- and I quote: "For the purposes of this section an 'electronic communication device' shall not include an Amateur Radio". Talk about getting a broadly worded exemption that covers every aspect of Amateur Service communications. More importantly, it means that use of an Amateur Radio while driving will continue to be permitted in New Jersey. The only caveat is that it is done safely and the ham operator is not engaging in inattentive driving. The new law goes into effect four months after the governor signs it. From that point on, hams are advised to keep a copy of the measure and their Amateur Radio license in your glove compartment if you drive in the Garden State. Read the law at the following New Jersey Legislature link: http:// www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/B...500/1099_R2.HTM __________________
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Can You Hear Me Now? Officers laud new $16 million radio system By STEPHEN GURR The Times http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/new...ws/171020.shtml
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Sgt. Steve Mickels of the Hall County Sheriff's Office talks on a portable radio using the county's new radio system. Authorities have welcomed the switch to the $16 million system, which they say will help them communicate more effectively. In public safety, few tools are more important than the two-way

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radio. "It's your lifeline," said Hall County Sheriff's Sgt. Steve Mickels. "Everything depends on your ability to communicate. From the time you get in your car to the time you're off duty, it's on constantly. It's essentially the key to doing your job." The recent debut of Hall County's new sales tax-funded $16 million radio system was heralded by law enforcement, firefighters and medics as much-needed upgrade of technology that was in some cases as much as 50 years old. "This was something that's been needed for years," said Gainesville Police Chief Frank Hooper, whose officers were crowded onto one channel of an eight-channel VHF radio system. The new 800 MHz digital trunked system supports 64 channels, wipes out a myriad of "blackout" spots where coverage was hitor-miss in the county and provides reception so static-free that it caught officers accustomed to deciphering muddled radio traffic off-guard. "People's voices sound different than before," said Mickels, a shift supervisor. "Now you really have no static at all. The audio quality is much like talking on a cell phone. That takes some getting used to." Hall County voters approved funding for the radio system in a 2004 sales tax referendum. The $16 million went toward building or acquiring eight tower sites throughout the county and purchasing some 1,100 radios for county employees in all fields, from public safety to public works. The Motorola-brand radios range in price from $1,100 to $2,400 each. Each radio has its own identifying imprint, allowing dispatchers and other public safety workers to know immediately who is talking when the microphone is activated, or "keyed," Mickels said. That feature could prove useful in cases of an officer in distress, he said. "Before, we really wouldn't know who was asking for help," Mickels said. "All you got was 'help.' If an officer was in a scuffle, you'd try to figure out who it was by voice." Radio users can hit an orange emergency button to take priority over the airwaves, sending out an immediate alert to 911 operators. And officials hope to use the infrastructure now in place to one day track the locations of units through Global Positioning Systems. The radio system is, in fact, much more than a means of voice
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communication, 911 Director Marty Nix. "It's basically one huge computer network" over the airwaves, Nix said. Digital data can be transmitted over the system, which will one day allow officers to run car tag numbers and criminal histories on in-car laptop computers, saving time asking dispatchers for the information. Gainesville Fire Chief Dick Taylor says he hopes to use the data transmission component to give firefighters useful, on-the-go information on hydrant locations, water systems and street layouts. "We keep looking toward what other miracles (the system) will bring us," Taylor said, adding that all those options will take additional funding. The groundwork has been laid with the big-money items, however, particularly the transmission and receiving sites. Having six repeater towers eliminates frequent frustrations for deputies who at times found themselves talking into a useless piece of plastic and metal in some parts of the county, officials say. For Gainesville police and fire, the troublesome spot was Thompson Bridge. For Hall County, it was the Braselton area, and even inside their own South Hall precinct. To make matters worse, radio traffic from Barrow County and elsewhere would sometimes "bleed through" into Hall County communications, Mickels said. "We don't have to listen to that cross-traffic anymore," Mickels said. The increase in bandwidth and channels allow different agencies to communicate together, whereas fire and sheriffs personnel and police often could not talk on the same frequencies. "From that standpoint, it will make it far easier to communicate between the agencies," Taylor said. The concept of multiagency communications, known as "interoperability," took on added emphasis after officials examined the emergency response to the terrorist attacks of 9/11, Hooper said. "One of the biggest problems they had was not being able to talk to each other," Hooper said. Special "talk groups" for major incidents free up space on the regular channels for routine radio traffic.
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That option got its first test earlier this month when high winds damaged dozens of homes in South Hall and emergency responders switched over to a designated tactical channel to talk. The system also will enable Hall County officials to communicate with their counterparts in Gwinnett and Forsyth counties in cases where jurisdictions may overlap. "That's more or less what it's all about," Mickels said. "It's being able to cross those barriers of interoperability and talk to multiple jurisdictions." While public safety officials are generally pleased so far with the new system, there is one group who is not, Hooper said. Police scanner enthusiasts who like to monitor radio traffic at home have effectively been blocked out of the new system through digital encryption that turns voices into electronic noise. While Hooper understands the frustrations of scanner buffs, he gives a practical reason for encrypting his department's radio traffic. "Criminals can monitor traffic, too," he said. Mickels said deputies responding to burglary calls have keyed up their radio mics only to hear their voices repeated back to them over police scanners. "They were listening to basically everything we were doing," he said. "It helps when the bad guys aren't able to monitor us." Nix worked with the agencies for more than three years in planning and developing the system and says he's happy with the results. "I think it has increased the efficiency of county and city government and public safety 100-fold," Nix said. "In the long run it's going to be a great benefit to the community." Said Mickels, "It's obviously been a needed thing, to get up to standard." __________________
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Originally posted by GC505 Police scanner enthusiasts who like to monitor radio traffic at home have effectively been blocked out of the new system through digital encryption that turns voices into electronic noise. Depending on the type/brand of radio they're talking about, the encryption algorithm being used may quite weak. In fact, if these are multichannel systems, they may not be using "encryption" per se at all; the individual channels are just broadcast on frequency bands so narrow that the signals cannot be processed intelligibly by wide-band receivers. It's more of an issue of having a good demultiplexer than being able to decipher encrypted speech. While Hooper understands the frustrations of scanner buffs, he gives a practical reason for encrypting his department's radio traffic. "Criminals can monitor traffic, too," he said. What he and his porky pals are much more afraid of, however, are law-abiding citizens monitoring their communications and discovering how much illegal activity they're getting away with. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the everaccumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that

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Are most police forces in the USA easily picked up via a scanner? Here in Australia, many of the major cities have moved to digital encryption with motorola, meaning no one can pick up the frequency on a scanner.
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I have no doubt that many PDs are already moving in that direction and that those who haven't have not done so mainly for budgetary reasons (inability to fund the purchase of such comms equipment). Of course some of these scanners use relatively weak encryption algorithms and probably don't involve the frequent replacement of encryption keys, meaning that a determined "sniffer" with the right equipment and enough time on their hands could break the encrypted signals.

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Re: Police can't be scanned in Oz..... quote:

Originally posted by Slattery Are most police forces in the USA easily picked up via a scanner?

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Many US agencies are migrating to digital trunking systems such as Illinois new statewide Starcom 21 system (APCO P-25), primarily in large metropolitan areas. However, most US agencies still use the standard VHF/UHF frequencies or analog 800 MHz conventional or trunking systems. New scanner technology is always being released that can monitor the digital signals (Radio Shack PRO-96/2096, Uniden BCD996T, BCD396T, etc). I have not yet encountered a police agency that I was not able to effectively monitor.

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Digital encryption is not widely used, but some agencies have the option to switch to an encrypted signal when relaying sensitive radio communications. Digitally encrypted signals require the use of high-end computer software, equipment and an enormous amount of patience to "crack". NOTE: FCC law prohibits the intentional interception of encrypted radio communications. __________________
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...................................................... The DEA sharea concurrent jurisdiction with FBI over drug offenses. The Administrator, DEA, reports to the Attorney General through the Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). .....................................................
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120.3750 120.7750 156.7000 163.1850 163.5350 164.8250 165.2350

DEA AIRCRAFT DEA AIRCRAFT DEA NATIONWIDE CTCSS DEA DEA DEA DEA

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165.2600 DEA 165.2850 DEA 170.9000 DEA ACADEMY, VA 171.4500 DEA ACADEMY, VA 171.4500 DEA AIR SURVEILLANCE CHOPPER IN/AROUND ATLANTA, GA 171.4500 DEA NATIONAL ASSINGMENTS (VARIOUS USES) 171.6500 DEA NATIONAL ASSINGMENTS (VARIOUS USES) 172.0000 DEA NATIONAL ASSINGMENTS (VARIOUS USES) 172.1000 DEA NATIONAL ASSINGMENTS (VARIOUS USES) 172.0500 DEA 172.2000 DEA NATIONAL ASSINGMENTS (VARIOUS USES) 172.3000 DEA NATIONAL ASSINGMENTS (VARIOUS USES) 173.0000 DEA TO FBI (?) 281.4000 DEA AIRCRAFT 411.1250 DEA LOCAL SYSTEMS INPUT TO 419.2500 413.9750 DEA LOCAL SYSTEMS INPUT TO 417.7500 413.9750 DEA LOCAL SYSTEMS INPUT TO 419.2250 414.1250 DEA JOINT TASK FORCE (JTF) 414.4250 DEA JOINT TASK FORCE (JTF) 414.4250 DEA LOCAL SYSTEMS INPUT TO 419.2750 414.5250 DEA CHANNEL 11 STRIKE FORCE - TACTICAL 414.5250 DEA LOCAL SYSTEMS INPUT TO 419.3000 414.6000 DEA LOCAL SYSTEMS INPUT TO REPEATER 419.2000 415.6000 DEA CHANNEL 03 STRIKE FORCE INPUT TO REPEATER 418.8250 416.0500 DEA CHANNEL 01 STRIKE FORCE INPUT TO REPEATER 418.6250 416.2000 DEA CHANNEL 06 STRIKE FORCE INPUT TO REPEATER 418.9500 416.3250 DEA CHANNEL 02 STRIKE FORCE INPUT TO REPEATER 418.9000 416.3750 DEA LOCAL SYSTEMS REPEATER TO 418.7750 416.6000 DEA 417.0250 DEA CHANNEL F-7 OPERATIONS INPUT TO 418.9750 417.0400 DEA 417.1750 DEA JOINT TASK FORCE 417.4000 DEA JOINT TASK FORCE (JTF) 417.4000 DEA LOCAL SYSTEMS INPUT TO 419.0000 417.4500 DEA 417.5000 DEA 417.5500 DEA 417.7500 DEA CHANNEL 09 REPEATER FOR 413.9750 417.7500 DEA CAR-TO-CAR 418.0500 DEA CHANNEL 10 418.0750 DEA CHANNEL 11 INTERAGENCY COMMON 418.1750 DEA CHANNEL 08 STRIKE FORCE - TACTICAL 418.1750 DEA CAR-TO-CAR SURVEILLANCE FREQS SHARED WITH I.R.S. 418.2000 DEA CAR-TO-CAR SURVEILLANCE FREQS SHARED WITH I.R.S. 418.2250 DEA CAR-TO-CAR SURVEILLANCE FREQS SHARED WITH I.R.S.
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418.5000 DEA 418.5500 DEA 418.5750 DEA 418.6250 DEA 416.0500 418.6500 DEA WITH I.R.S. 418.6750 DEA 418.6750 DEA 418.7000 DEA 418.7250 DEA 418.7500 DEA TO 415.6000) 418.7500 DEA 418.7750 DEA 418.8000 DEA 418.8250 DEA 415.6000) 418.8750 DEA 418.9000 DEA 416.3250 418.9250 DEA 418.9500 DEA 416.2000 418.9750 DEA 417.0250 418.9750 DEA 419.0000 DEA 419.2000 DEA 419.2250 DEA 419.2500 DEA 419.2500 DEA 419.2750 DEA 419.3000 DEA 419.3750 DEA 419.9500 DEA 816.8125 DEA 817.8125 DEA 818.8125 DEA 819.8125 DEA 820.8125 DEA 861.8125 DEA 862.8125 DEA 863.8125 DEA 864.8125 DEA 865.8125 DEA

AIR/GROUND TO US COAST GUARD CHANNEL 01 STRIKE FORCE REPEATER FOR CAR-TO-CAR SURVEILLANCE FREQS SHARED CHANNEL 04 STRIKE FORCE - TACTICAL CAR-TO-CAR CHANNEL 03 STRIKE FORCE - TACTICAL (INPUT CAR-TO-CAR LOCAL SYSTEMS REPEATER FOR 416.3750 CHANNEL 01 CAR TO CAR CHANNEL 05 STRIKE FORCE REPEATER FOR CHANNEL 02 SURVIELANCE REPEATER FOR CHANNEL 06 STRIKE FORCE REPEATER FOR CHANNEL 07 STRIKE FORCE REPEATER FOR CAR-TO-CAR LOCAL SYSTEMS REPEATER FOR 417.4000 LOCAL SYSTEMS REPEATER FOR 414.6000 LOCAL SYSTEMS REPEATER FOR 413.9750 CHANNEL 09 STRIKE FORCE - TACTICAL LOCAL SYSTEMS REPEATER FOR 411.1250 LOCAL SYSTEMS REPEATER FOR 414.4250 LOCAL SYSTEMS REPEATER FOR 414.5250 CHANNEL 12 STRIKE FORCE - TACTICAL FLORIDA-MOBILE FLORIDA-MOBILE FLORIDA-MOBILE FLORIDA-MOBILE FLORIDA-MOBILE FLORIDA-BASE FLORIDA-BASE FLORIDA-BASE FLORIDA-BASE FLORIDA-BASE

High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (HIDTA) ..................................................... This is a multi-agency task force which targets highly sophisticated drug traffickers and money launderers.
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Principal areas of operation include New York, Miami, Los Angeles, Houston, and the Southwest border areas. (Recently this may also include Atlanta) ..................................................... 412.0000 412.1250 412.5250 414.0250 414.0500 414.1500 414.3500 414.4500 414.4750 414.5000 414.5500 417.1250 417.1750 419.3250 419.3750 419.4000 419.4250 DEA HIDTA REPEATER FOR 417.1250 DEA HIDTA REPEATER FOR 417.1750 DEA HIDTA INPUT TO 414.5500 (CHANNEL CAR-TO-CAR (CHANNEL 3) CAR-TO-CAR (CHANNEL 4) CAR-TO-CAR (CHANNEL 5) DEA HIDTA REPEATER FOR 419.3250 DEA HIDTA REPEATER FOR 419.3750 DEA HIDTA REPEATER FOR 419.4000 DEA HIDTA REPEATER FOR 419.4250 DEA HIDTA REPEATER FOR 412.5250 DEA HIDTA INPUT TO 412.0000 (CHANNEL DEA HIDTA INPUT TO 412.1250 (CHANNEL DEA HIDTA INPUT TO 414.3500 (CHANNEL DEA HIDTA INPUT TO 414.4500 (CHANNEL DEA HIDTA INPUT TO 414.4750 (CHANNEL DEA HIDTA INPUT TO 414.5000 (CHANNEL

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Chicago DEA These frequencies are commonly used by the DEA in and around the Chicago area for surveillance and other tactical operations: F1F2F3F4F5F6F7418.625 418.900 418.750 418.675 418.825 418.950 418.975

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on the Internet is to inform the public for its own safety, not to humiliate the officer. Even if the collateral effect of the Internet posting is to shame the officer, this effect is the result of the Officer's crimes. We agree with the state that the right to be free from the shame, stigma and embarrassment resulting from crimes committed by Sworn Officers of the Law is not the kind of fundamental right contemplated by our constitution." - Illinois Supreme Court All statements and opinions expressed are my personal opinions and are not to be viewed as fact. I am not a speaking agent for Copwatch and have no authority to bind Copwatch or to act on its behalf. My opinions, ideas, theories and beliefs are my own and are not necessarily supported, condoned (or often even appreciated) by Copwatch, it's subsidiaries or agents. Report this post to a moderator |

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Other Chicago frequencies: • Fire Departments 153.7700 Chicago Fire Dept, Englewood (South) 154.1300 Chicago Fire Dept, Main (North) 154.1600 Evanston Fire Dept 154.3400 Lincolnwood Fire Dept 154.3400 Skokie Fire Dept 460.6000 Chicago Fire Dept, Ambulance (North) 460.6250 Chicago Fire Dept, Ambulance (South) • Other City Services 453.5000 Chicago Dept of Streets & Sanitation 453.5500 Chicago Dept of Streets & Sanitation 453.6250 Chicago Dept of Streets & Sanitation (Snow Plows) 453.6500 Chicago Dept of Streets & Sanitation (Snow Plows) 453.6750 Chicago Traffic Signal Repair (?) 453.7250 Chicago Dept of Animal Control 453.8250 Chicago Dept of Human Services 453.8750 Chicago Metropolitan Sanitary District (?) 453.9250 Chicago Metropolitan Sanitary District 453.9750 Chicago Fire Alarm Repair (?) • Utilities 153.4700 Commonwealth Edison 153.5750 Commonwealth Edison 153.6950 Commonwealth Edison • Transportation 118.1000 O'Hare Tower 118.4000 O'Hare 118.7000 Midway Tower 119.0000 O'Hare 119.9000 Palwaukee Tower 120.7500 O'Hare 121.3000 Meigs Tower 121.9000 O'Hare 125.0000 O'Hare 125.2000 O'Hare 125.4000 O'Hare 125.7000 O'Hare 127.4000 O'Hare 127.6000 O'Hare 152.3000 American United Cab 152.3150 American Taxi 470.9875 Chicago Transit Authority Rail 471.0375 Chicago Transit Authority Rail 471.1125 Chicago Transit Authority Rail 857.8125 Northwest Cab __________________

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ITTF (Illinois Terrorism Task Force)

The following frequencies are for the "Illinois Terrorism Task Force" (ITTF). Recently there has been an increase of radio traffic on these frquencies, however it seems most of it is Illinois State Police units coordinating "speed traps" on major IL highways: A unit sits atop a bridge with a radar gun clocking travellers below. He then radios the vehicle description to a group of officers sitting about a mile up the road (usually over a hill or just around a bend) who then stop or as they say "take down" the speeder. Why they conduct these speed traps using the ITTF frequencies I will never know, I guess speeders now fall under the category of "terrorists". Frequencies: Channel Channel Channel Channel Channel Channel Channel 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 155.05500 (IREACH) 155.72500 151.13750 154.45250 158.73750 159.47250 155.47500 (ISPERN)

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hs300802
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are these channels trunked, because sometimes i cant get my scanner to work. Or maybe i just dont know what i'm doing.
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Re: ITTF (Illinois Terrorism Task Force) quote:

Originally posted by GC505 Why they conduct these speed traps using the ITTF frequencies I will never know, I guess speeders now fall under the category of "terrorists".
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They're probably expecting that one of these days they'll pull somebody over who has a load of semtex in his trunk that he'll detonate while the cop has him pulled over on the side of the road. (BTW, on this note, let me offer this tidbit of advice to our cop friends of all flavors, everywhere: Since I'm sure that exactly such a scenario as I described above is being postulated somewhere in the DHS's "anti-terrorism training" [smirk], think about this: If such a tactic were a serious terrorist "threat", it would already have been pulled off by now, given the fact that we've pissed enough of the Muslim world off and to such an egregious degree that they would have wreaked havoc on our suburbs or key pieces of our critical infrastructure (chosen at random) across the nation if they had the capability to do so. But since it hasn't happened, it obviously is beyond either the logistical or technological abilities of any of our "terrorist" adversaries, which, as heavily and ubiquitously funded and

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supplied as they are by the likes of such ueber-wealthy and wellconnected individuals as OBL, means that it simply isn't possible to pull off. Ergo, you need to quit taking yourselves so seriously. No one takes you seriously, that's for sure). __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the everaccumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. â” W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)
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The above ITTF frequencies are not trunked, they are standard VHF conventional. __________________
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Bling
Junior Member Registered: Jan 2007 Location: Illinios Posts: 7 01-14-2007 02:31 PM

Can you find any frequencies for Tazewell/Peoria/Woodford Counties in central Illinios please?
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sassy500
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Illinois State Police Freq. 42.600 42.680
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Bling
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Would i have to put zero's in front of that since they have three spaces before my decimal? And GC could you find any if possible please?
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sassy500
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No just enter 42.600 and 42.680
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What do you mean by CG - Coast Guard?
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Bling
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Lol sorry i meant to say GC.... Would it be possible to find frequencies for Storm Spotting networks in Peoria/Woodford/Tazewell counties. Also if i gave a few community names would it be easier?
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sassy500
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I would buy a police call book - I no longer have mine. THat book will give you almost all of the frequencies you need. You can buy the book at Radio Shack
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Originally posted by sassy500 I would buy a police call book - I no longer have mine. THat book will give you almost all of the frequencies you need. You can buy the book at Radio Shack

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Sassy: By "GC" I think he was referring to my username, GC505. Also, Police Call is no longer published. The book went out of production after the 2005 edition. The outdated 2005 edition is still available at many Radio Shack stores. __________________
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TAZEWELL COUNTY

Tazewell County uses a 800 MHZ trunked system, so a trunkingcapable scanner is needed to monitor their communications. More information about their system (frequencies, etc) can be found at: http://radioreference.com/modules.php? name=RR&sid=2261
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Other Tazewell County frequencies (convention, non-trunked) are listed here: http://radioreference.com/modules.p... id=680#cid-6638 __________________
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WOODFORD COUNTY

Check out the Radio Reference Database for Woodford County. It lists everything you could want to know about the area. http://radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&ctid=692 __________________
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of fundamental right contemplated by our constitution." - Illinois Supreme Court All statements and opinions expressed are my personal opinions and are not to be viewed as fact. I am not a speaking agent for Copwatch and have no authority to bind Copwatch or to act on its behalf. My opinions, ideas, theories and beliefs are my own and are not necessarily supported, condoned (or often even appreciated) by Copwatch, it's subsidiaries or agents. Report this post to a moderator |

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PEORIA COUNTY

Peoria County is in the process of building a digital trunking system, but it is not in use yet. Their frequency information can be found here: http:// radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&ctid=662 __________________
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ISP DISTRICT 8

Illinois State Police frequencies for Tazewell/Woodford/Peoria Counties (District 8) are as follows: 155.52000 - District 8 High BandDispatch 42.36000 - District 8 Low Band Dispatch 154.92000 - Narcotics/Multi-County Enforcement Group 155.44500 - Narcotics/Multi-County Enforcement Group 154.69500 - District 8 (Various Use) 154.90500 - District 8 (Various Use) 155.46000 - District 8 (Various Use) Attachment: d08map.png
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Thanks GC. New question....How do i find out if my scanner is trunked system capable, i dont have the box or book anymore... Or... Could you tell me if a BearCat BC244clt is trunking capable? I've had this thing forever...but used to not really use it much...now its always on if i'm around.
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fluffycrane
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I am looking for police/ems frequencies for Harnett and Johnson counties. Any help would be great.
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GO TO THE FREQUENCY THREAD ON HOME PAGE __________________ copchaser proverbs, 21, 21
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If you tell me the state that Harnett and Johnson counties are in, I'll tell you their frequencies. __________________
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Harnett and Johnson counties are in North Carolina. If you have anything in Sampson County that would be great too! Thanks for the help.
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HARNETT COUNTY: Harnett County Sheriff uses an 800 MHz EDACS trunking system that requires a trunking-capable scanner (Trunktracker®) to effectively monitor. Their trunking frequencies are as follows: 856.93750 857.93750 858.93750 859.93750 860.93750 Other Harnett County frequenies: Angier Police - 460.0750/465.0750 - 192.8 PL Fire/EMS/Rescue Dispatch - 155.7600 Fireground - 154.2050 State Rescue - 155.2800 Betsy Johnson Hospital - 155.3400 Good Hope Hospital - 155.3400 Anderson Creek Fire - 154.2500 Spout Springs Fire - 154.3700 Dunn, Erwin Fire: - 154.4150 JOHNSON COUNTY: Johnson County also uses the above-described EDACS Trunking system on the following frequencies: - Primary - East Tower (Smithfield) 866.22500 866.72500 867.20000 867.70000 868.22500 855.71250 - West Tower 856.71250 857.71250 858.71250 859.71250 860.71250 868.98750 - South Tower 866.30000 867.30000 867.80000 868.55000 868.95000 - North Tower 866.43750 867.32500

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867.93750 868.72500 868.98750 Other Johnson Co. Frequencies: Fire Dispatch - 154.3400 / 153.9050 110.9 PL Sheriff - 460.0500 / 465.0500 110.9 PL Sheriff - 460.2750 / 465.2750 110.9 PL Sheriff Detectives - 855.71250 / 810.7125 State Fire - 154.2800 110.9 PL EMS "Rescue Tac" - 155.2350 110.9 PL State Rescue - 155.2800 110.9 PL SAMPSON COUNTY: Finally... A trunking-free county that is easy to monitor. Sheriff (and Small Town Police Dispatch) - 460.20000 / 465.20000 146.2 PL Clinton Police - 460.1000 / 465.1000 146.2 PL Clinton PD Tactical - 460.3750 / 465.37500 146.2 PL City and County Fire - 154.22000 114.8 PL Rescue/EMS Dispatch - 461.00000 / 466.00000 146.2 PL __________________
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GARY951
Junior Member Registered: Dec 2006 Location: FAYETTEVILLE,NC Posts: 1 12-27-2006 09:08 PM

THEIR SYSTEM HAS MANY PROBLEMS AND IS HARD TO HEAR,I LIVE JUST ACROSS THE COUNTY LINE AND CANT HEAR THEM MOST OF THE TIME WITH A 30FT HIGH ANTENNA.
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What band is the antenna tuned for? If you do not have an antenna tuned for the 800 MHz band, reception will be very poor. __________________
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Orlando Listen to the Orlando Florida police and fire live at: http://heliosj.iddings.us:8000/seminolescanner.m3u __________________
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Mohave County AZ With Input & Tones Mohave Co Sheriff 156.150/155.535 MCSQ D-1 Kingman PL-173.8 155.640/154.815 MCSO D-2 BHC-MV PL-173.8 155.685/154.830 MCSO D-3 Lake Havasu PL-173.8 154.355/153.890 PL-100.0 (BHC) Mohave County mutual aid 155.880/154.995 MCSO Tac-1 Split -.885 D-1 PL 110.9 155.580/154.845 MCSO Tac2 154.025 MCSO Car to Car 155.475 National L.E.R.N. 158.760 MCSO Bill

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154.845/155.580 M/R out Mohave County Sheriff 155.535/158.910 M/R out Mohave County Sheriff 155.580/154.845 M/R out Mohave County Sheriff BHC POLICE 154.725/155.715 Bullhead Police CH-1 155.070/159.015 Bullhead police CH-2 T.A.C. 155.010/156.775 Bullhead police CH-3 154.475/ Simplex Bullhead police 154.355/153.890 PL-100.0 (MOOMIA) Bullhead police BHC Fire 154.415/154.010 Bullhead fire CH-1 PL-173 8 154.415 Simplex Bullhead fire CH-2 154.220 Simplex Bullhead fire CH3 154.355 Simplex Bullhead fire CH4 154.310/155.760 PL-173 8 Ft Mohave Fire Repeater 154.325/155.955 BHC-FireCH6 PL-173.8 MV Fire 154.430/ 153.770 BHC-Fire CH-7 PL-173.8 Cta 154725/155.715 BHC-Fire CH-8 PL-173.8 BHC-PD 154.310 Simplex Bullhead fire CH-9 Ft Mohave Fire 154.355/153.890 PL-100.0 BHC-Fire CH-10 (McoM/A) 154.325 Simplex BHC-Fire CH-12 PL-173.8 MV Fire 154.430 Simplex BHC-Fire CH-11 PL-173.8 Clark Co Fire 155.055/153.920 BHC-Fire CH-13 PL-173.8 Kingman Fire Rpt 154.190 Simplex BHC-Fire CH-13 PL-173.8 Golden Valley Fire 154.355/153.890 PL-100.0 (McoM/A) Bullhead fire Mutual Aid 153.890 Bullhead fire? 154.190/154.430 100.0 Golden Shores Fire Mohave Valley Fire 154.325/153.950 Mohave Valley fire PL-173.8 OR 154.325/155.955 Mohave Valley fire PL-173.8 Oatman Fire 154.220 Oatman fire Ma in 154.430 Oatman Fire San Bernardino County Fire BLM LE/Fire 166.375 National Park Service Lake Mohave 166.300/166.900 114.8 Park Net 172.600 NPS-LE X-mass Tree Pass

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Arizona State 160.475+ D. P.S. Kingrnan district IPL-100.0 460.225+ D. P.S. Statewide 453.050+ D.P.S. Communication Servtoe 155.475 Arizona D.P.S. VHF 154.935 Arizona drug task force Misc 154.115 BHC Local Government 155.850 Fort Mohave tribal police 159.210 Fort Mohave tribal Rangers FIRE
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mr.b
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I got this PRO 95 scanner and all the channels are locked any help on how to unlock and program. I am also having problems picking up Sanger PD California on a PRO 94, I have them programmed 858.7125 and trunking but can not hear them.
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If all the channels are locked out, they can be easily unlocked by pushing the L/O button on the keypad. The Pro-95 can be a pain to program, especially if you plan on coming even close to filling it's 1000 memory capability. The alpha tagging is also difficult to program using the keypad. The users manual is not much help... I strongly recommend using Don Starr's (Starrsoft) free Win95 programming software to program the unit as it makes programming a breeze. The software is free and available for download HERE. All that is required is the widely-available programming cable, available at Radio Shack ($19.99) or on Ebay ($10-$15). Also see: http://starrsoft.com/freeware/win95/default.asp __________________
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A list of Secret Service frequencies and their designations. Listen to these when the President, Vice President or other political dignitary visits your area: 32.2300 - Able White House Communications Agency (WHCA) 32.3200 - Able 34.3500 - Nighthawk Aircraft Fleet (HMX) - VIP Transport Net 46.7000 - Nighthawk Aircraft Fleet (HMX) - Helicopter OPS Secondary 46.7500 - Nighthawk Aircraft Fleet (HMX) - Helicopter OPS / Transport -Primary 46.8000 - Nighthawk Aircraft Fleet (HMX) - Helicopter OPS - AUX 142.7500 - Nighthawk Aircraft Fleet (HMX) - Command Post

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162.6875 162.6875 163.2000 163.7375 163.8100 164.1000 164.1000 164.4000 164.4000 164.6500 164.6500 164.8000 164.8875 164.8875 164.8875 165.0875 165.2100 165.2125 165.2250 165.3750 165.3750 165.5125 165.6875 165.7875 166.2000 166.2125 166.2125 166.3750 166.4000 166.4000 166.4625 166.5125 166.5125 166.7000 166.7000 167.0250 167.0250 167.8250 167.9000 168.7875 168.7875 168.8250 169.9250 169.9250 170.0000 171.2875 171.2875 265.8000 305.5500 322.7500 336.8000 361.6000 375.0000

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382.3500 - 326.0000 Phone Patch - F1 397.0500 - 390.0000 Phone Patch 406.2625 - Special Usage (Technical Security) Division Wireless Body Mic 407.4750 - 415.8000 Phone Patch - NATL II 407.8000 - Unknown 407.8250 - Special Usage (Technical Security) Division Wireless Body Mic 407.8500 - Echo AF1 / AF2 Phone Patch Uplink 407.8750 - Special Usage (Technical Security) Division Wireless Body Mic 407.9250 - India HQ / Presidential Protection / Treasury 407.9750 - Special Usage (Technical Security) Division Wireless Body Mic 408.0000 - Special Usage (Technical Security) Division - F1 RF Alarm 408.4500 - 408.4500 AF1 / AF2 Orderwise UHF (WFM) 408.5000 - Special Usage (Technical Security) Division - F3 Tracker - F1 408.9750 - Special Usage (Technical Security) Division - F4 Tracker - F2 411.0000 - Special Usage (Technical Security) Division - F2 RF Alarm 414.6750 - Yellow WHCA 414.6750 - 418.1500 Yellow Uniformed / Tech Security Divisions 414.8000 - Blue Training / Protective Support Divisions 414.8500 - Tan Foreign Mission Divisions 414.8500 - 418.8000 Brown Uniformed Division 414.9500 - Orange White House Uniformed Division 414.9500 - Orange Executive Protection Division 415.1000 - 418.3250 Black Training Division 415.6500 - 419.1000 Silver Foreign Mission / Uniformed Divisions 415.6750 - Black Uniformed Division 415.6750 - 419.0750 Gold Communications Division 415.6750 - Black Executive Protection Division 415.7000 - Foxtrot AF1 / AF2 Phone Patch Downlink 415.7500 - 407.8750 Green Training Division 415.8000 - Gray Proctective Support Divisions 415.8750 - Violet Training Division 415.8750 - Violet Training Division 415.9750 - 419.7250 Red Foreign Mission / Uniformed Divisions 418.1250 - Lavender WHCA Transportation 418.3500 - 407.7500 Gray Uniformed Division 418.7750 - 414.9500 Orange Uniformed Division 419.7250 - Green Technical Security Division __________________
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Nationwide FBI Frequencies: The FBI utilizes many frequencies, many of which are digitally encrypted and need special hardware and software to decode. The following are nationwide unencrypted frequencies that I have heard FBI activity on. Keep in mind that unless you live near a major metropolitan area, you will probably not hear much activity.

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Following is the Chicago FBI frequency list as programmed in their Motorola Sabre radios: These frequencies are heavily used in and around Chicago, IL. F1F2F3F4F5F6F7418.625 418.900 418.750 418.675 418.825 418.950 418.975

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Arizona detention officer refuses to apologize for swiping court files (updated) December 1st, 2009 · 11 Comments Update: The Phoenix New Times is reporting that Adam Stoddard must report to jail by midnight tonight. Who wants to hold their breath? Update: Heat City reports that Adam Stoddard is still on the job despite the fact that he refused to abide by a judge’s order. In fact, he is working in the courthouse.

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By Carlos Miller Defying a court order, Maricopa County detention officer Adam Stoddard said he would rather go to jail than apologize for swiping a defense attorney’s court file. Now it’s up Superior Court Judge Gary Donahoe to follow through on his contempt of court finding against Stoddard and place him in jail. However, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio – who runs the jails – has vowed to challenge the order if it comes down to that. The original incident occurred in October as defense attorney Joanne Cuccia was defending her client at the podium. It was captured in the video below. On November 17, Donahoe found Stoddard in contempt of court and ordered him to issue a public apology to Cuccia by Dec. 1. Monday night, on the eve before the deadline, Arpaio asked for an extension to the deadline to prepare an appeal, according to Heat City, which has done an excellent job of covering this debacle. Donahoe refused the extension. Then, when it appeared that Stoddard was not going to call a press conference for his public apology, he called an impromptu press conference at 8:30 p.m. Monday night – to state that he wasn’t going to apologize. This news was first broken on Heat City reporter Nick Martin’s Twitter feed Monday night. Stoddard was defiant, saying he would rather go to jail than apologize for doing his job. Martin then fleshed out the story today on Heat City. In the above CBS video, Stoddard reads from a prepared statement, saying he had a security concern when he pulled the document out of the court file, which blatantly violated the sacred attorney-client privilege. http://carlosmiller.com/2009/12/01/...ng-court-files/ __________________ "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world -a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us... No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you." --Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear (2003)

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This little piglet won't do even so much as an hour of jail time. The cowardly bitch judge will back down in the 11th hour and 59th minute because, as I've said many times before in this forum and elsewhere, he and his fellow black-robed, crossdressing scofflaw tyrants are 1) terrified of Joke Arpiggo and 2) dependent on Joke and his homeboys in blue for their personal protection. If anything happens at all, I predict that Joke will publicly humiliate Judge Donahoe in the end, all but publicly sodomizing him while the judge grovels some incoherent bullshit rescinding the apology order and dismissing all charges against Stoddard. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the everaccumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. — W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)
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Its a damn shame that Maurice Clemmons did not pay a visit to Phoenix before he went and shot those 4 cops. That idiot sheriff and his moron deputy need to meet up with some hot lead!! __________________
Mr Officer, The US Constitution is NOT just a formality, or something to sidestep! When your butt is on the line the first thing you do is scream about “due process” and the “rule of law”, how about extending this to the general public! "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting different results." Members of the NCIS (Narcotics Criminal Investigation and Suppression team) that work in Stephens, Habersham and Rabun Counties in North East Georgia are murderers! They killed a man in cold blood!! DO NOT talk to cops, they are NOT your friend, and NOTHING good can come from it. You have the right to stay silent, DO IT! Furor fit laesa saepius patientia Militamus sub spe. Prius mori quam fidem fallere Quietem nemo impune lacesset. Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

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http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lew...ves/044188.html Posted by William Grigg on December 3, 2009 03:10 AM Anyone who has had the misfortune of being a defendant — even in traffic court — can attest to the tension, anxiety, and humiliation that experience entails. People who have stood before a judge can also understand just how easy it is to be hit with a contempt citation, and how difficult it is to suppress the urge to display appropriate contempt toward the preening specimen in judicial robes, who demands deference of the sort properly reserved for the Deity. By way of illustration: About three years ago, a Utah man named Kent Jacobson became bored and impatient while a district judge named Leslie Lewis disgorged a long, tiresome harangue about the supposed evils of hunting. Kent’s brother, Michael, was accused of poaching. When Kent grew weary of Judge Lewis’ monologue, he emitted a sigh and left the courtroom, only to be dragged back by a bailiff.

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Lewis tauntingly asked Kent if he was bored. When Kent politely began to reply, Lewis cut him off and had him arrested for “contempt.” “I’m not going to argue with you, and you have no business chastising me, sir, and I did not make a comment that you have any right to correct,” sneered Lewis as Kent was hauled out in handcuffs. “I don’t want to hear a word from you. You and I are not in the same position, we’re not having a dialogue.” The proper response to Lewis, of course, would have been: “No, we’re not in the same position: I’m a productive member of society, and you’re a self-important, tax-fed parasite.” Fortunately, Lewis became the second district judge in the history of Utah to be removed by majority vote of the electorate. Most of the time, however, judges who display similar arrogant, dismissive contempt for their betters among the productive class are entirely beyond accountability. Perhaps the only people for whom they have anything resembling respect are the armed enforcers who carry out their orders. This is why the unfolding confrontation between a judge and the local sheriff’s office in Arizona’s Maricopa County is so fraught with fascination. On Monday, Maricopa Sheriff’s Deputy Adam Stoddard went to jail as a result of a contempt charge. Stoddard, while acting as a bailiff, was videotaped stealing a document from the desk of a defense attorney. Stoddard claimed to have seen something in the handwritten documents that constituted a threat to “court security.” Superior Court Judge Gary Donahoe wasn’t buying that explanation and was offended Stoddard was trying to sell it. However, perhaps mindful of the need to maintain cordial relations with the brown-shirted paladins of public order who carry out his decrees, Judge Donahoe didn’t send Stoddard immediately to jail, or slap him with a fine — punitive options he wouldn’t have hesitated to use against a mere mundane. Instead, he ordered Stoddard to apologize, in public, to defense attorney Joanne Cuccia for stealing the document and violating attorney-client privilege. Granted, this “compromise” created more problems than it would have solved. But Stoddard at least would not have been ignominiously hauled away to jail. With the support of his Dear Leader, the oleaginous protofascist named Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Stoddard defied the court order. Doubtless perceiving himself to be a martyr to principle — a veritable reincarnation of Sir Thomas More — Stoddard

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held a press conference to declare that he wouldn’t apologize “for doing my job,” and that saying he is sorry would be a “lie.” At some point Monday evening, Stoddard checked in to the Maricopa County Jail system, a PR-oriented gulag in which male prisoners are required to wear pink underwear, inmates are fed green bologna, and more than a few have died through criminal violence or neglect on the part of Arpaio’s brownshirts. Fret not for Adam Stoddard’s safety: As someone Arpaio has described as a “political prisoner” detained on the orders of a judge with a supposed “vendetta” against him, Stoddard will be almost certainly be spared the indignity of pink underwear and the horrors of green bologna as an inmate in a special, detaineefriendly facility referred to as the “Mesa Hilton. Here’s another unique perk that sets Stoddard apart from others confined to Arpaio’s gulag: The Maricopa County Association of Detention Officers (yes, even prison screws have a union) is standing “in solidarity” with him. That’s why 20 of those intrepid, public-spirited people suddenly called in “sick” Tuesday morning, thereby throwing the Superior Court into disarray. Things got even nastier when an anonymous bomb threat was called in. That bomb threat — which would be considered an act of terrorism, were it carried out by a common citizen — helped create a large audience for the police union thugs as they made a demand that Stoddard be released from jail and have his record cleared. A demand made in similar fashion by advocates of an innocently imprisoned private citizen would probably provoke a RICO prosecution. Maricopa County Deputy Sean Pearce, speaking on behalf of another tax-feeder union, the Deputies Law Enforcement Association, didn’t flinch from describing the events of Tuesday morning as a show of support for Stoddard: “I think it sends out a message that this officer has integrity,” Stoddard insisted. “Why should he apologize for doing his job?” The “job” in question, apparently, includes stealing proprietary information, violating attorney-client confidentiality, lying about one’s actions, and defying an order to make restitution to the victim. “Judge Donahoe has ordered me to feel something I do not and say something I cannot,” insisted Deputy Stoddard in his Monday evening press conference. But the same can truthfully be said by countless innocent people who have been put through the indignity of the “justice” system — from those found guilty of traffic violations on the fraudulent, selfinterested testimony of traffic cops, to people who have been
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blackmailed into accepting plea bargains by devious, unprincipled prosecutors. But Deputy Stoddard is one of the sacred personages who wear a government-issued costume and is invested with the supposed authority to kill other human beings. It’s just not righ for members of that privileged elite to be treated like mere mundanes. Hence the collective tantrum being thrown by Stoddard’s fellow tax-feeders. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom" "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of good police officers that makes possible the everaccumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too. — W. Somerset Maugham, Strictly Personal (1941)
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Bomb threat, absent deputies halt court Gary Grado, Tribune December 2, 2009 - 4:16PM | A bomb threat and a high number of absent Maricopa County sheriff's deputies and detention officers brought justice to a halt Wednesday in Superior Court in downtown Phoenix. The day began with 20 sheriff's officers who provide security and move inmates to court calling in sick. A union representative and a sheriff's spokesman said it is unclear why so many officers called in sick, but the sick calls came on the day after a detention officer turned himself into jail after refusing to follow a court order to apologize publicly to a defense attorney whose paperwork he searched during court.

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The sick calls were not an organized show of solidarity for the jailed detention officer, Adam Stoddard, said officer Katie Perez, a spokeswoman for the Maricopa County Association of Detention Officers. "I haven't heard of any sickout or anything like that," Perez said. "If people have called in, it's come on their own terms." Sheriff's spokesman Aaron Douglas said investigators are going to look into whether there was an organized effort. Douglas said employees are advised to stay home if they are feeling flulike symptoms, and officers who work with inmates are susceptible to illness. "Because of the timing this all seems like a conspiracy and silent protest, but we have not found anything to validate that," Douglas said. Maricopa Superior Court Judge Gary Donahoe ruled Nov. 18 that Stoddard acted in contempt when he pulled two pieces of handwritten paper out of attorney Joanne Cuccia's file during an Oct. 19 sentencing. Stoddard testified that he saw four words - "going to," "steal" and "money" - in a document sticking out of the file that led him to believe Cuccia's client posed some sort of security threat. Donahoe ordered Stoddard to hold a news conference by Nov. 30 to apologize for his actions or report to jail by Dec. 1. Court spokeswoman Karen Arra declined to say how much of an impact the sick deputies had on court proceedings. Court came to a halt anyway at 10 a.m. Wednesday, when the Phoenix Police Department received a "viable threat" from a pay phone outside the courthouse, Douglas said. Three court buildings that house 72 courtrooms and hundreds of workers were evacuated for the next 3 1/2 hours as the sheriff's bomb squad and bomb-sniffing dogs swept the area. Douglas said no explosives were found. http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/147902 __________________ I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. ~Robert A. Heinlein

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Texas Executed An Innocent Man By The Innocence Project Posted on August 31, 2009, Printed on August 31, 2009 http://www.alternet.org/bloggers//142318/ Editor's Note: This is an Innocence Project Media Advisory
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"There can no longer be any doubt that an innocent person has been executed. The question now turns to how we can stop it from happening again." -- Innocence Project Co-Director Barry Scheck. NEW YORK; August 31, 2009 -- An exhaustive new investigative report shows that Cameron Todd Willingham, who was executed in Texas in 2004, was innocent. The report comes three years after

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the Innocence Project released analysis from some of the nation's leading forensic experts who found that the central evidence against Willingham was not valid. The Innocence Project also obtained public records showing that Texas officials ignored this evidence in the days leading up to Willingham's execution. Willingham was convicted of arson murder in 1992 and was executed in February 2004. His three young children died at a fire in the family's Corsicana, Texas, home. At Willingham's trial, forensic experts testified that evidence showed the fire was intentionally set. A jailhouse informant also testified against Willingham, and other circumstantial evidence was used against him. A 16,000-word report in the September 7 issue of the New Yorker deconstructs every facet of the case, finding that none of the evidence against Willingham was valid. Prior to the New Yorker's investigative report, by David Grann, the forensic science had been debunked as completely erroneous (including in a 2004 investigative report in the Chicago Tribune), but the other evidence was never examined closely. "The New Yorker's investigation lays out this case in its totality and leads to the inescapable conclusion that Willingham was innocent. There can no longer be any doubt that an innocent person has been executed," said Innocence Project Co-Director Barry Scheck. "The question now turns to how we can stop it from happening again." "As long as our system of justice makes mistakes -- including the ultimate mistake -- we cannot continue executing people," Scheck said. "This case also highlights serious problems with forensic science in this country. The vast majority of forensic scientists are honest, capable, hard-working professionals, but we aren't giving them the tools they need to do the job. Congress needs to create a National Institute of Forensic Science that can spark research to determine the accuracy of forensic disciplines and set standards for how our system of justice uses science."

In May 2006, the Innocence Project (which is affiliated with Cardozo School of Law) formally submitted the Willingham case to the Texas Forensic Science Commission, along with information about another arson case and a request that the panel order a review of arson convictions across the state. In the other arson case, Ernest Willis was convicted of an unrelated arson murder and sentenced to death in 1987, and he served 17 years in prison before he was exonerated. The May 2006 filing included a 48-page report from an independent five-member panel of some of the nation's leading arson investigators, who reviewed more than 1,000 pages of evidence, testimony and official documents in the two cases. In the report, the arson experts -- with a combined 138 years of experience in the field -- say that neither of the fires which
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Willingham and Willis were convicted of setting were arson. The expert report notes that the evidence and forensic analysis in the Willingham and Willis cases "were the same," and that "each and every one" of the forensic interpretations that state experts made in both men's trials have been proven scientifically invalid. In 2007, the Texas Forensic Science Commission announced that it had accepted the Innocence Project's complaint and would launch an investigation. The commission contracted with Craig Beyler, a widely respected arson expert, to conduct an independent review of the evidence. Last week, Beyler filed his report with the commission, finding that the forensic analysis in Willingham's case was wrong. The commission announced that it is reviewing Beyler's report and will review other evidence before issuing its conclusion next year. "The Forensic Science Commission is still looking at this case and the broader issue of arson convictions statewide. Members of the commission are clearly taking this very seriously, carefully and thoughtfully, and they should have the space to do their work," Scheck said. "The Forensic Science Commission is not going to determine whether an innocent man was executed. The New Yorker has already done that. The commission will determine what went wrong with the forensic analysis, how widespread the problem is and how we can be sure similar analysis is more reliable in the future."

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Scientists Slam Evidence Used in Execution Posted: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 Updated: August 25th, 2009 01:15 PM GMT-05:00 Most Read Most E-mailed E-mail Article Print Article

By STEVE MILLS Chicago Tribune CHICAGO, Ill. -- In a withering critique, a nationally known fire scientist has told a state commission on forensics that Texas fire investigators had no basis to rule a deadly house fire was arson - a finding that led to the murder conviction and execution of Cameron Todd Willingham. The finding comes in the first state-sanctioned review of an execution in Texas, home to the country's busiest death chamber. If the commission reaches the same conclusion, it could lead to the first-ever declaration by an official state body that an inmate was wrongly executed. Indeed, the report concludes there was no evidence to determine that the December 1991 fire was even set, and it leaves open the possibility the blaze that killed three children was an accident and there was no crime at all - the same findings found in a Chicago Tribune investigation of the case published in December 2004. Willingham, the father of those children, was executed by lethal injection in February 2004. He protested his innocence to the end. The Tribune obtained a copy of the review by Craig Beyler, of Hughes Associates Inc., which was conducted for the Texas Forensic Science Commission, created to investigate allegations of forensic error and misconduct. The re-examination of the Willingham case comes as many forensic disciplines face scrutiny for playing a role in wrongful convictions that have been exposed by DNA and other scientific advances. Among Beyler's key findings: that investigators failed to examine all of the electrical outlets and appliances in the Willingham house in the small Texas town of Corsicana, did not consider other potential causes for the fire, came to conclusions that contradicted the witnesses at the scene, and wrongly concluded Willingham's injuries could not have been caused as he said they were. The state fire marshal on the case, Beyler concluded in his report, had "limited understanding" of fire science. The fire marshal "seems to be wholly without any realistic understanding of fires and how fire injuries are created," he wrote.
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The marshal's findings, he added, "are nothing more than a collection of personal beliefs that have nothing to do with sciencebased fire investigation." Over the last five years, the Willingham case has been reviewed by nine of the nation's top fire scientists - first for the Tribune, then for the Innocence Project and now for the commission. All concluded that the original investigators relied on outdated theories and folklore to justify the determination of an arson. The only other evidence of significance against Willingham was another inmate who testified that Willingham had confessed to him. Jailhouse snitches are viewed with skepticism in the justice system, so much so that some jurisdictions have restrictions against their use. Samuel Bassett, an attorney who is the chairman of the commission, said the panel will seek a response from the state fire marshal and then write its own report. Contacted Monday, one of Willingham's cousins said she was pleased with Beyler's report but was skeptical that top state officials would acknowledge Willingham's innocence. "They are definitely going to have to respond to it," said Pat Cox. "But it's difficult for me to believe that the state of Texas or the governor will take responsibility and admit they did in fact wrongfully execute Todd. They'll dance around it." Distributed by McClatchy-Tribune Information Services. __________________ I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. ~Robert A. Heinlein
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Willingham Case Highlights Fears of Executing Innocent People

Willingham Case Highlights Fears of Executing Innocent People Cameron Todd Willingham’s last words were: "I have been persecuted 12 years for something I didn’t do." And now, five years after he was executed by the state of Texas, Willingham is probably as close to an exoneration as he’ll ever get. The blogs and news media have been filled with commentary about the revelation that Willingham was most likely innocent when he was executed, and it’s renewing calls for an examination of the death penalty in this country. In The Hill blog, John Feehery writes: Without getting into all of the facts in this particular case, it is clear that we live with an imperfect justice system. The system makes mistakes. Wrong people are accused and convicted. Witnesses sometimes misremember the facts, and sometimes they lie for their own self-interest. Sometimes cops make mistakes, and sometimes prosecutors reach the wrong conclusions. But the death penalty, when carried out, is always perfect. It always kills the target, and kills the target permanently. And once you kill the accused, you can’t really turn back the clock. If the system turns out to be wrong, as it does on occasion, saying you are sorry doesn’t do much good. The Los Angeles Times reports that a new study by University of California, Santa Cruz, professor Craig Haney finds that support for the death penalty among Californians is down: A majority of Californians still favor the death penalty, but their support has waned from 79% to 66% over the last two decades as fears of executing the wrongly convicted escalate, a researcher reported Tuesday. …Support for the death penalty plunged to 26% when respondents were offered the alternative of guaranteed life imprisonment and the requirement that the offender work to pay restitution to victims and their families, Haney said. Jonah Lehrer offered this fascinating meditation on the injustice of Willingham’s execution in the Daily Dish: These stories of a failed justice are important, and not just because they expose specific errors…Instead, I think these harrowing tales need to be told because they contradict a powerful moral intuition we all share, which can unfortunately lead us to turn a blind eye: Because we believe in justice, we ignore stories of injustice. Finally, the Philadelphia Inquirer brought the argument back to present-day by comparing Willingham’s case to that of Troy Davis: Davis’ and Willingham’s cases again raise strong questions about capital punishment and whether it can ever be fairly administered,

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especially when the defendant is poor or a minority, like Davis, and statistically more likely to get a death sentence. …The risk of a wrongful execution is simply too great to continue with capital punishment. Davis’s case was recently reviewed by the U.S. Supreme Court, and sent back to a lower court for the evidentiary hearing he’s been asking for all along. Hopefully Georgia will learn a lesson from Texas, and give Davis the chance at life that Willingham never had. h/t: Steve Hall, StandDown http://blog.aclu.org/2009/09/02/wil...nnocent-people/ __________________ "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world -a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us... No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you." --Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear (2003) "Society had a crime problem, so it hired cops. Next thing society knew, it had a cop problem." --Tom Robbins
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When it comes to imposing the death penalty, no state in the union is as reckless, careless, and bloodthirsty as Texas. The Lone Star State deserves censure for this, and the no doubt dozens, if not hundreds of past executions of the innocent. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom"

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Wed Jul 29 2009 Columns Harvey Wasserman Today we all stand before Leonard Peltier’s Parole Board July 28, 2009 Native American activist Leonard Peltier has been in prison for more than 12,226 days, more than 33 years. His is one of the longest ordeals of any political prisoner in human history. With him, our souls have suffered. Our bodies ache for his freedom.

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Today, July 28, 2009, Peltier goes before the Federal Parole Commission in Lewisburg, Pennsylvania. All over the world, beginning in the wee hours of the morning in the South Pacific, prayer vigils, peace marches, ecumenical gatherings, group chantings and all forms of individual meditation accompany this hearing. It is one of the most important tests of the new Obama Administration. Peltier was charged more than a third of a century ago with the murder of two FBI agents. The circumstances of the prosecution, and the legal history of the case, involve thousands of pages of missing evidence, compromised witnesses and procedures so twisted as to stagger the imagination and leave any sense of fair play and reasonable jurisprudence buried in the dust. Through it all, Peltier has maintained his dignity and strength with astonishing grace. He will be 65 years old in September, having spent more than half his life behind bars. His body is wracked with prison-related ailments. He has great grandchildren he has never seen. Yet his writings remain politically astute, spiritually compelling and unfailingly compassionate. Supporters believe the time is “favorable” for his release. The fourmember Parole Commission that will weigh his plea is chaired by Isaac Fulwood, Jr. (http://www.usdoj.gov/uspc/fulwood.htm) originally appointed by George W. Bush, elevated to the chair in May by Barack Obama. Obama himself has the power through various legal means to end Peltier’s torture and make him a free man. Peltier’s defense attorney, Eric Seitz, has expressed optimism that the Commission will grant Peltier his freedom, especially given Leonard’s exemplary behavior in prison, the utter collapse of the case against him, his health, age and other factors, not least of which may be a changed political and cultural climate. But Seitz has warned in an interview with Amy Goodman on Democracy Now of prior disappointments (http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/... ring_to_be_held _tuesday ) . Millions of supporters worldwide have suffered with Leonard over the decades as with no other political prisoner. His case stands as an emblem of the tortured relationship between the US Government and the Native American community, says Tony Gonzalez (of the Comca'ac-Chicano tribe) of the American Indian Movement (http:// www.aimovement.org) founded, he says, 41 years ago today. Meaningful steps toward healing that relationship will be very hard to take until Leonard Peltier is free to re-join his family. This is a critical moment in the Obama Era. Bill Clinton was

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thoroughly briefed by numerous people very close to the Peltier case, but did not free him. Constitutional scholar Barack Obama is also well aware of this horrific imprisonment. Peltier’s freedom marks a monumental corner that must be turned. For those millions who have ached through the terrible injustice and sheer physical and spiritual pain of this imprisonment, it is a moment of liberation that must come. Only a strongly supportive political climate can guarantee it happens. Call your Senators and Representatives as well as the White House and Parole Board, newspapers and radio shows, web friends and neighbors down the street. Meditate, pray, march, dance, sing, shout, laugh, cry….do whatever you can to help move this man out of his jail cell and into the open air after 33 hellish years. This imprisonment must end. Rarely has it been more true that freeing a single human being will help free us all. For more see: MY LIFE IS MY SUNDANCE, by Leonard Peltier; IN THE SPIRIT OF CRAZY HORSE by Peter Mattheissen; Robert Redford’s INCIDENT AT OGLALLA http://video.google.com/ videoplay?d...25247691110146; http://www.leonardpeltier.net; www.whoisleonardpeltier.info. __________________ "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world -a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us... No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you." --Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear (2003) "Society had a crime problem, so it hired cops. Next thing society knew, it had a cop problem." --Tom Robbins
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How Leonard Peltier could leave prison by August 18

Fri Jul 31 2009 Columns Harvey Wasserman How Leonard Peltier could leave prison by August 18 July 30, 2009 For a formidable and growing global community of supporters, the prospect of Native American activist Leonard Peltier finally leaving prison inspires a longing that cuts to the depths of the soul. So Peltier’s first parole hearing of the Obama Era---on Tuesday, July 28---inspired hope of an intensity that will have a major impact on the new presidency. A decision must come from the Federal Parole Commission within three weeks. His attorney is calling for a surge of public support that would create an irresistible political climate for Leonard’s release. The relationship between Peltier and those who have followed his case over the decades can be intensely personal. His imprisonment has come to stand not only for five centuries of unjust violence waged against Native Americans, but also for the inhumane theft of the life of a man who has handled his 33 years in jail with epic dignity, effectiveness and grace. Peltier’s latest parole hearing convened at the federal penitentiary in Lewisburg, Pennsylvania, where he is currently held. According to Eric Seitz, Peltier’s Honolulu-based attorney, Peltier spoke for more than an hour “with great eloquence” about the nature of his case, his imprisonment and his plans for freedom. “The hearing officer seemed to listen carefully,” said Seitz. “We thought it went very well.” The decision on Peltier’s parole will be made by the four sitting members of the Federal Parole Commission (http://www.usdoj.gov/ uspc/ ) whose offices are in Chevy Chase, Maryland. Commissioners Isaac Fulwood, Jr., Cranston Mitchell, Edward Reilly and Patricia Cushware are all Bush appointees. One seat is vacant; Fulwood was elevated to the Chairman’s seat in May by President Obama. According to Seitz, the hearing was taped by an officer charged with reporting to the Commissioners within 48 hours. The Commissioners are required to render a decision within 21 days--by August 18. Should they rule in his favor, Peltier could walk out of prison very soon after the decision is issued. Should the Commssioners turn down his parole application, Seitz says the appeal would go to the federal district court in Harrisburg.
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The report of the hearing would become available to Peltier and the public. Seitz said he spoke to the record for about 20 minutes on the legalities of the case. He said Peter Mattheissen, author of IN THE SPIRIT OF CRAZY HORSE, explained the history of the 1970s incidents that led to Peltier being accused of murdering two FBI agents. CRAZY HORSE is the definitive account of the origins of the case and of the climate of violence and repression imposed on the native community at the time of the killings. Seitz said Mattheissen emphasized “the many reasons to have misgivings about whether the system performed well and fairly in Leonard's case.” Mattheissen was joined by Dr.Thomas Fassett of the United Methodist Church, who testified, said Seitz, “to the negative impact of Peltier’s 33-year imprisonment on the world’s view of how the US government treats its native population. Leonard's case is viewed in the larger community both nationally & internationally as a major embarrassment…as a gross injustice…a black mark.” The testimony was accompanied by thousands of letters, with signees including South African Bishop Desmond Tutu, US Senator Daniel Inouye (D-HI), and actor Robert Redford, whose film INCIDENT AT OGALALA is the definitive documentary. Cynthia Maleterre of the Turtle Island Clan then outlined how Peltier could meet the requirements of parole in his home community in North Dakota. Restored to his Chippewa-Dakota homeland, Maleterre explained that Peltier would have housing, a job and be surrounded by family, including great-grandchildren he has never seen. Seitz said testimony opposing parole came from a representative of the FBI, sent by Director Robert Mueller, a holdover Bush appointee, and from the former director of the Minnesota Bureau. Two sons of Jack Coler, one of the FBI agents killed in the Ogalala shoot-out, also argued against Peltier being freed, as did a former agent named Ed Woods. Seitz said that all those opposing parole argued Peltier should spend the rest of his days in prison, and did not deserve a new trial. But Seitz was “guardedly optimistic” about a favorable decision from the Parole Commission. He said that a “good rapport” had been established with the hearing officer, and that the new chair of the commission is generally held “in high esteem.” President Barack Obama does have the power to grant clemency, but Seitz said prisoners apply only when all other avenues have been exhausted. Usually, says Seitz, “presidential pardons do not come until the Chief Executive is leaving office.” Seitz says letters to the Parole Commission and to local newspapers, calls to Congressional Representatives (202-224http://www.copwatch.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36259 (5 of 12)7/11/2010 12:55:16 AM

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3121), talk show hosts and other forms of public pressure are now of the utmost importance. The hope, he says, lies in creating a “public environment favorable to release.” As Leonard Peltier approaches his 65th year---having spent half his life in prison---every day is now critical to lifting this burden from our collective souls. For more information go to http://www.leonardpeltier.net. http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/7/2009/1759 __________________ "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world -a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us... No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you." --Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear (2003) "Society had a crime problem, so it hired cops. Next thing society knew, it had a cop problem." --Tom Robbins
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The clock is ticking ever faster for Leonard Peltier

Harvey Wasserman The clock is ticking ever faster for Leonard Peltier August 11, 2009 By Tuesday, August 18, the four sitting members of the Federal Parole Commission must decide whether they will let Leonard Peltier rejoin his family. Leonard has been in prison for a staggering 33 years, six more than Nelson Mandela. When he was locked up, Three Mile Island was three years away, and Ronald Reagan had barely begun to run for President. Leonard has great-grandchildren he has never held. His most recent hearing was June 28. According to his lawyer, Eric Seitz, it went very well. The Parole Commission had 21 days from then to issue its decision.

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Now we are down to the final week. All those familiar with the case agree that a positive political climate can make a difference in the decision. Calls to politicians (202-2243121) could make all the difference, as could overnight letters to the Parole Commission (http://www.usdoj.gov/uspc/). Below are two draft letters the attorney has termed "a little melodramatic but otherwise ok." Your own versions are more than welcome. Leonard’s release would do much to begin the healing process between the native community and the US government. He has handled himself through this torturous third of a century with astonishing dignity, grace and eloquence. Please do not let this moment go by without doing SOMETHING. DRAFT LETTER ONE: Dear Commissioners, Isaac Fulwood, Jr., Cranston Mitchell, Edward Reilly and Patricia Cushware Leonard Peltier is a man of deep sensitivities and compassion. It's no accident he has become a figure of tremendous empathy and personal pain all over the world. For 33 years he has maintained his dignity and composure under incredibly difficult circumstances. He is now approaching the age of 65, and suffers from a wide range of ailments that threaten his continued existence. He has grandchildren and great-grandchildren he has never seen. Leonard has a community of relations and supporters desperately awaiting his return. His freedom will come as a huge boost to our country's standing in the world. It will begin a desperately-needed healing process between our government and the native peoples of our own country and around the globe. I urge you to look into your hearts at this man who has spent more than half his life behind bars and reunite him at last with his family. Thank you, DRAFT TWO: To: US Parole Commission Commissioners Isaac Fulwood, Jr., Cranston Mitchell, Edward Reilly and Patricia Cushware Dear Commissioners It is in your power to right a great wrong, to grant a man and his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren the right to live the
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rest of their lives together in peace, and to remove a great stain from the global reputation of the American justice system. For more than half his life, Leonard Peltier has been held in prison for a crime millions of people worldwide do not believe he committed. Throughout his imprisonment, Mr. Peltier has conducted himself with extraordinary dignity and grace. His behavior has become an inspiration to countless citizens within the United States and virtually everywhere else on Earth. Leonard Peltier’s time in prison now exceeds that of Nelson Mandela by six years. Yet he is viewed with much the same reverence and respect as the man who went from a jail cell to the presidency of the nation that put him there. When Mandela was finally set free, the system of racial hatred and separation that plagued South Africa began to crumble, to the betterment of all. Leonard Peltier was a young man when he entered the prison system; he is now nearly 65. He is plagued with diabetes and a range of other serious illnesses that make it highly possible further imprisonment could result in his death, an outcome of horrific personal and political implications for all Americans. We would all have his blood on our hands. To follow the history of the legal proceedings that put Leonard Peltier in prison is to journey enter a nightmare of missing documents, perjured testimony, implausible accusations and an impossible conviction. It is not our intent here to reproduce the massive record surrounding this case. But we would be remiss to say any thing other than this incarceration is viewed throughout the world as a blight on the reputation of American jurisprudence. We believe that 33 years of imprisonment meets the standard of cruel and unusual punishment set out in the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Its drafters would have freed Leonard Peltier long ago. Indeed, we do not believe great legal thinkers such as James Madison, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams would have put Mr. Peltier in prison in the first place. Every day Leonard Peltier is kept behind bars drives a wedge that grows deeper between this nation’s government and its native population. His time in jail is viewed with great antipathy by native populations, and their supporters, throughout the world. This is a five-century wound that can only begin to heal when Leonard Peltier is released. We ask that you bring to yourselves and the rest of this nation the great relief that will accompany Leonard Peltier’s return to his family. Thank you,
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For more information see www.leonardpeltier.net. http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/7/2009/1763 __________________ "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world -a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us... No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you." --Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear (2003) "Society had a crime problem, so it hired cops. Next thing society knew, it had a cop problem." --Tom Robbins
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Leonard Peltier is a political prisoner, pure and simple. An objective parole board would grant him parole immediately (in absence of a just appeals court overturning his travesty of a sentence, this is the best he can hope for). Let us hope that federal manipulation and misconduct don't make their presence felt, but I'm not optimistic about that note. __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson

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American Indian activist Leonard Peltier, convicted in FBI agent deaths, denied parol

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Associated Press Writer 12:17 PM PDT, August 21, 2009 BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) — American Indian activist Leonard Peltier, imprisoned since 1977 for the deaths of two FBI agents, has been denied parole after authorities decided that releasing him would diminish the seriousness of his crime, a federal prosecutor said Friday. Peltier, who claims the FBI framed him, will not be eligible for parole again until July 2024, when he will be 79 years old. U.S. Attorney Drew Wrigley announced the decision of the U.S. Parole Commission. Peltier is serving two life sentences for the execution-style deaths of FBI agents Jack Coler and Ronald Williams during a June 26, 1975, standoff on South Dakota's Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. He was convicted in Fargo, N.D., in 1977. He has said the FBI framed him, which the agency denies, and unsuccessfully appealed his conviction numerous times. He also was denied parole in 1993. "Leonard Peltier is an unrepentant, cold-blooded murderer who executed FBI special agents Williams and Coler, and in doing that he tore them from their families and from their communities forever," Wrigley said. "Leonard Peltier is exactly where he belongs — federal prison, serving two life sentences." An angry defense attorney Eric Seitz declined to comment Friday, saying the Parole Commission had not had the "courtesy" to inform him of the decision. "We've heard nothing," he said. Parole Commission spokesman Tom Hutchison said the board notifies both sides of a decision, and can't control whether one party makes it public before the other can be notified. Peltier had a full parole hearing for the first time in 15 years last month at the Lewisburg, Pa., federal prison where he is being held. The hearing was closed to the public, but Seitz said he focused on

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factors that would support parole. He said a representative from the Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa reservation in North Dakota, where Peltier grew up, said the tribe had made arrangements to incorporate Peltier back into society should he be paroled. Seitz also said Peltier has had no documented misconduct in prison in the past 10 years. Wrigley said Peltier's past criminal conduct while behind bars was a factor in the Parole Commission's decision. In 1979, Peltier escaped for a time in California, and he also has had numerous infractions in prison, some of them drug-related. Wrigley also said that Peltier "has neither accepted responsibility for the murders nor shown any remorse." Seitz said earlier that the 64-year-old Peltier is in poor health, with diabetes, high blood pressure, a jaw problem and a urinary system ailment. Parole was abolished for federal convicts in 1987, but Peltier remains eligible because he was convicted before then.

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This type of brain dead, insensitive, cool blooded, and asshole behavior apparently is indicative of LAPD copscum thugs. Even though is was the scumbag attorneys actually doing the hi5ing, a police spokesman could have and SHOULD have stepped up and stopped it and expressed the death of the toddler. The copsum silence speaks volumes about their character, integrity, and honor.
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11:08 AM | August 3, 2009 In a victory for the Los Angeles Police Department, a judge this morning threw out a lawsuit filed against the city by the mother of a 19-month-old toddler killed by a bullet fired by SWAT officers during an attempted hostage rescue in 2005. The case before L.A. Superior Court Judge Rolf M. Treu was set to go to the jury this week after SWAT officers and police experts completed their testimony. But Treu this morning granted the city's motion to dismiss the case, saying a jury could reach only one conclusion: that the officers acted reasonably. Attorneys for Lorena Lopez, mother of 1 1/2-year-old Suzie Pena, argued in the trial that officers should have retreated and negotiated further with Raul Pena, who was delirious on alcohol and cocaine and holding his daughter hostage in the office of his car dealership on July 10, 2005. The city contended that officers attempted the rescue in the best tactical way possible, and that the baby's father was the only one to blame for her death because he repeatedly held her as a shield during the hourslong standoff. [Updated at 11:22 a.m. City Atty. Carmen Trutanich, who was being interviewed by The Times when a deputy city attorney came into his office announce the news, jumped from his chair with a cheer and highfived the lawyer. Millions of city dollars had been in jeopardy, he said. “This is a case where nobody wins except the citizens, because no one should have been sued in this case,” said Trutanich, who spent four hours personally vetting the evidence with the city's legal team before it went to trial. “Police did everything pursuant to procedure, they were caught in a terrible situation -- in fact one officer was shot as they were charging the door because they believed the father was going to kill the child.” "I'm a father, I understand what it means to have a child killed," Trutanich said, "but you know there's a big difference between killing a kid because of something that overtly you did wrong and charging the city of Los Angeles, which was there not only trying to save that child's life, [but also] the mother, and the stepdaughter, the citizens around."
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"There were 200 and some odd shots fired -- can you imagine the risk to the surrounding public at that time?" Trutanich said. "To me that cop should have been given a medal of valor, he's charging the place, takes a shot in the arm … and then continues to go forward, bleeding, to save that child's life as the father is cranking off 41 different shots. And then they get sued -- that's 'no good deed goes unpunished.' "] -- Victoria Kim and Maeve Reston Photo: Los Angeles City Attorney Carmen Trutanich, left, high fives staff lawyers in his office after being told that the suit stemming from the LAPD shooting had been dismissed. Credit: Spencer Weiner / Los Angeles Times

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Sure, the Baby is Dead — But the Cops are Free, so Let’s Party!

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lew...ves/031765.html Sure, the Baby is Dead — But the Cops are Free, so Let’s Party! Posted by William Grigg on August 3, 2009 10:14 PM Four years ago, nineteen-month-old Suzie Pena was shot to death by Los Angeles SWAT commandos during a 2 1/2-hour standoff with her father, Jose Raul Pena. After suffering a narcotics-related breakdown, Mr. Pena took his daughters hostage, barricaded himself in the office of his used-car dealership, and began a gun battle with the police. At one point, Pena was holding a gun in one hand while using Suzie as a “human shield.” In his derangement he seems to have assumed that putting an infant in the line of fire would deter paramilitary police from shooting at him. He was wrong: The child was shot in the head and died, even as her anguished mother, Lorena Lopez, pleaded with the police to be careful and not to shoot the innocent baby. Lopez filed a wrongful death lawsuit contending that the SWAT team should have used different tactics; that was the same conclusion, incidentally, reached by a panel appointed by Los
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Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Police Chief William Bratton. But under the evolving doctrine of police impunity, it is not the privilege of mere mundanes to question the tactical decisions of their betters in blue. Accordingly, earlier today (Monday, August 3), Superior Court Judge Rolf M. Treu “took the case away from jurors as they were scheduled to begin hearing final arguments,” reported the New York Times. “Based on trial testimony, there was no way the panelists could have concluded that police officers acted unreasonably, Treu ruled.” Of course, that’s for the jurors to decide, in any constitutional jurisdiction this side of North Korea. Judge Treu — who really should be locked in a room with Lorena Lopez and about a half-dozen of her male relatives — committed an act of judicial nullification (aborting the possibility of a jury verdict) most likely out of the fear that the jury would quite sensibly conclude that it is inexcusable for SWAT marksmen to shoot an infant hostage in the forehead. As is so frequently the case, injustice was compounded with insult as City Attorney Carmen Trutanich — who should visit that same locked room after Lopez and her relatives are finished with Treu — high-fived a colleague “after learning of the judge’s decision,” reported the New York Times. Reports the Los Angeles Times: “City Atty. Carmen Trutanich, who was being interviewed by The Times when a deputy city attorney came into his office announce the news, jumped from his chair with a cheer and high-fived the lawyer. Millions of city dollars had been in jeopardy, he said.” In making that claim, Trutanich, who is strenuously resisting an audit of his corruption-riddled office, displayed unwonted concern over needless public expenditures. Trutanich, a shameless camera whore, also claimed that the lawsuit was a waste of time; he has more important things to do, such as trying to wring a publicity-rich criminal prosecution out of Michael Jackson’s untimely death. (Thanks to Scott Horton for bringing this outrage to my attention.) __________________ "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson "Oink If You Hate Freedom"

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WILKES-BARRE, Pa. – For years, the juvenile court system in Wilkes-Barre operated like a conveyor belt: Youngsters were brought before judges without a lawyer, given hearings that lasted only a minute or two, and then sent off to juvenile prison for months for minor offenses. The explanation, prosecutors say, was corruption on the bench. In one of the most shocking cases of courtroom graft on record, two Pennsylvania judges have been charged with taking millions of dollars in kickbacks to send teenagers to two privately run youth detention centers. "I've never encountered, and I don't think that we will in our

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lifetimes, a case where literally thousands of kids' lives were just tossed aside in order for a couple of judges to make some money," said Marsha Levick, an attorney with the Philadelphia-based Juvenile Law Center, which is representing hundreds of youths sentenced in Wilkes-Barre. Prosecutors say Luzerne County Judges Mark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan took $2.6 million in payoffs to put juvenile offenders in lockups run by PA Child Care LLC and a sister company, Western PA Child Care LLC. The judges were charged on Jan. 26 and removed from the bench by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court shortly afterward. No company officials have been charged, but the investigation is still going on. The high court, meanwhile, is looking into whether hundreds or even thousands of sentences should be overturned and the juveniles' records expunged. Among the offenders were teenagers who were locked up for months for stealing loose change from cars, writing a prank note and possessing drug paraphernalia. Many had never been in trouble before. Some were imprisoned even after probation officers recommended against it. Many appeared without lawyers, despite the U.S. Supreme Court's landmark 1967 ruling that children have a constitutional right to counsel. The judges are scheduled to plead guilty to fraud Thursday in federal court. Their plea agreements call for sentences of more than seven years behind bars. Ciavarella, 58, who presided over Luzerne County's juvenile court for 12 years, acknowledged last week in a letter to his former colleagues, "I have disgraced my judgeship. My actions have destroyed everything I worked to accomplish and I have only myself to blame." Ciavarella, though, has denied he got kickbacks for sending youths to prison. Conahan, 56, has remained silent about the case. Many Pennsylvania counties contract with privately run juvenile detention centers, paying them either a fixed overall fee or a certain amount per youth, per day. In Luzerne County, prosecutors say, Conahan shut down the countyrun juvenile prison in 2002 and helped the two companies secure rich contracts worth tens of millions of dollars, at least some of that dependent on how many juveniles were locked up. One of the contracts — a 20-year agreement with PA Child Care worth an estimated $58 million — was later canceled by the county

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as exorbitant. The judges are accused of taking payoffs between 2003 and 2006. Robert J. Powell co-owned PA Child Care and Western PA Child Care until June. His attorney, Mark Sheppard, said his client was the victim of an extortion scheme. "Bob Powell never solicited a nickel from these judges and really was a victim of their demands," he said. "These judges made it very plain to Mr. Powell that he was going to be required to pay certain monies." For years, youth advocacy groups complained that Ciavarella was ridiculously harsh and ran roughshod over youngsters' constitutional rights. Ciavarella sent a quarter of his juvenile defendants to detention centers from 2002 to 2006, compared with a statewide rate of one in 10. The criminal charges confirmed the advocacy groups' worst suspicions and have called into question all the sentences he pronounced. Hillary Transue did not have an attorney, nor was she told of her right to one, when she appeared in Ciavarella's courtroom in 2007 for building a MySpace page that lampooned her assistant principal. Her mother, Laurene Transue, worked for 16 years in the child services department of another county and said she was certain Hillary would get a slap on the wrist. Instead, Ciavarella sentenced her to three months; she got out after a month, with help from a lawyer. "I felt so disgraced for a while, like, what do people think of me now?" said Hillary, now 17 and a high school senior who plans to become an English teacher. Laurene Transue said Ciavarella "was playing God. And not only was he doing that, he was getting money for it. He was betraying the trust put in him to do what is best for children." Kurt Kruger, now 22, had never been in trouble with the law until the day police accused him of acting as a lookout while his friend shoplifted less than $200 worth of DVDs from Wal-Mart. He said he didn't know his friend was going to steal anything. Kruger pleaded guilty before Ciavarella and spent three days in a company-run juvenile detention center, plus four months at a youth wilderness camp run by a different operator. "Never in a million years did I think that I would actually get sent away. I was completely destroyed," said Kruger, who later dropped out of school. He said he wants to get his record expunged, earn his high school equivalency diploma and go to college.

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"I got a raw deal, and yeah, it's not fair," he said, "but now it's 100 times bigger than me."
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http://www.charter.net/news/read.ph...USNWC34L1_UNEWS Note: Access link above for a photograph of Judgescum Conohan 2 Pa. judges plead guilty in kickback scheme Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:37 PM EST The Associated Press By MICHAEL RUBINKAM Associated Press Writer SCRANTON, Pa. (AP) — Two Pennsylvania judges charged with taking millions of dollars in kickbacks to send youth offenders to privately run detention centers pleaded guilty to fraud Thursday in one of the most stunning cases of judicial corruption on record. Prosecutors allege Luzerne County Judges Mark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan took $2.6 million in payoffs to put juvenile offenders in lockups run by PA Child Care LLC and a sister company, possibly tainting the convictions of thousands of juvenile offenders. The judges pleaded guilty in federal court in Scranton to honest services fraud and tax fraud. Their plea agreements call for sentences of more than seven years in prison. They were permitted to remain free pending sentencing. The gray-haired jurists said little at Thursday's hearing, and declined to comment to reporters afterward. Prosecutors described a scheme in which Conahan, the former president judge of Luzerne County, shut down the county-owned juvenile detention center in 2002 and signed an agreement with PA Child Care LLC to send youth offenders to its new facility outside Wilkes-Barre. Ciavarella, who presided over juvenile court, sent youths to the detention center while he was taking payments, prosecutors said. For years, youth advocacy groups complained that Ciavarella was ridiculously harsh and ran roughshod over youngsters' constitutional rights. Ciavarella sent a quarter of his juvenile defendants to detention centers from 2002 to 2006, compared with
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a statewide rate of one in 10. Among the offenders were teenagers who were locked up for months for stealing loose change from cars, writing a prank note and possessing drug paraphernalia. Many had never been in trouble before, and some were imprisoned even after probation officers recommended against it. Many of the youths didn't have attorneys. Ciavarella has specifically denied sending kids to jail for cash, and had indicated he would not go through with the guilty plea if the government offered that as evidence. Thus prosecutors left out any mention Thursday of a quid pro quo, presenting only enough evidence to establish that crimes had occurred. But Assistant U.S. Attorney Gordon Zubron said after the hearing that the government continues to allege a quid pro quo. "We're not negotiating that, no. We're not backing off," he said. The prosecutor said it will be up to U.S. District Judge Edwin Kosik to settle the matter. Kosik could reject the proposed sentence as too light if he decides there was a quid pro quo. "I think there will be significant disagreements as to what the facts are," Zubrod said. "Was there a connection between the payments and the money, and young people going to prison? Those are issues that are going to be addressed later by the court. There's going to be plenty of time to fight about that." The judges were charged on Jan. 26 and removed from the bench by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court shortly afterward. __________________ "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world -a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us... No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you." --Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear (2003) "Society had a crime problem, so it hired cops. Next thing society knew, it had a cop problem." --Tom Robbins
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2 Pa. judges sued in kickback scheme

http://www.charter.net/news/read.ph...USNWC34L1_UNEWS Note: Access original story link above for photographs of the judgescum 2 Pa. judges sued in kickback scheme Friday, February 13, 2009 8:33 AM EST The Associated Press By MICHAEL RUBINKAM Associated Press Writer ALLENTOWN, Pa. (AP) — A lawsuit has been filed against two Pennsylvania judges accused of taking more than $2 million in kickbacks to send youth offenders to privately run detention centers. The suit names Luzerne County Judges Mark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan and 14 other defendants. It was filed in federal court late Thursday on behalf of hundreds of children and their families who were alleged victims of the corruption. "At the hands of two grossly corrupt judges and several conspirators, hundreds of Pennsylvania children, their families and loved ones, were victimized and their civil rights violated," plaintiffs' attorney Michael Cefalo said in a statement Friday. Prosecutors allege Ciavarella and Conahan took $2.6 million in payoffs to put juvenile offenders in lockups run by PA Child Care LLC and a sister company, possibly tainting the convictions of thousands of juvenile offenders. The judges pleaded guilty to fraud in federal court in Scranton on Thursday. Their plea agreements call for sentences of more than seven years in prison. "It's our intent to make sure that the system rights this terrible injustice and holds those responsible accountable," Cefalo said. An attorney for Conahan said he hadn't seen the suit and declined comment. Ciavarella's lawyer didn't immediately return a phone message. The lead plaintiff is Florence Wallace, whose 14-year-old daughter Bernadine was charged with terroristic threats after getting into an argument on MySpace. The lawsuit said the teenager was not advised of her right to an attorney and was pressured to plead guilty. She was taken from Ciavarella's courtroom in shackles and spent time in PA Child Care and at a youth wilderness camp. As a result of the judges' corruption, parents were forced to pay for the "wrongful incarceration" of their children, the suit said. Some parents had their wages garnished, public assistance benefits taken
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and social security benefits seized. In addition to the judges, the plaintiffs are suing two individuals who allegedly paid the kickbacks: attorney Robert Powell, who co-owned PA Child Care LLC and Western PA Child Care LLC until last June; and Robert Mericle, who owns one of the largest commercial construction firms in northeastern Pennsylvania and built the detention centers. Through an attorney, Powell has said he was the victim of extortion. A spokesman for Mericle has denied making payments "to influence a decision to secure a contract to build any PA Child Care facility." Mericle's company was also named as a defendant. The lawsuit is the first of what is expected to be several lawsuits seeking class-action status in the case. __________________ "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world -a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us... No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you." --Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear (2003) "Society had a crime problem, so it hired cops. Next thing society knew, it had a cop problem." --Tom Robbins
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Records key to cases against two corrupt judges may get destroyed

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Lawyers who argue that thousands of juveniles were sentenced to prison terms by corrupt judges are petitioning a US federal court in
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Pennsylvania to preserve the case record so they can sue for damages. Attorneys are seeking to stop the destruction of files related to the cases of an unknown number of juveniles who received prison sentences for minor offenses from two judges who were later found to have accepted bribes from private prison companies. The petition before a federal judge in Scranton, Pennsylvania came after the state’s Supreme Court in March agreed to expunge the youths’ criminal records, but also ordered the destruction of their files. Without at least one copy of the relevant files, attorney Lourdes Rosado told AFP, the juveniles will be unable to pursue a civil case seeking damages. “The federal court needs that information in order to decide whether or not that claim is valuable and whether or not the children are entitled to relief,” said Rosado, associate director of the Juvenile Law Center, a non-profit group which advocates for children’s rights. After months of procedural battles, the state Supreme Court agreed last week to preserve under seal a copy of documents related to 400 juveniles who have so far been identified as victims and have filed lawsuits. But, according to Rosado, the total number of victims “could be up to 6,500″ and attorneys are now calling for a class action lawsuit to be certified for all the children who appeared before the judges between 2003 and 2008. Judges Mark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan of Luzerne County, Pennsylvania admitted last February to having accepted 2.6 million dollars from private prisons in exchange for giving juveniles sentences that were disproportionate to their offenses. Ciavarella and Conahan have filed a petition seeking the dismissal of lawsuits seeking damages, citing “the doctrine of judicial immunity.” Among those sentenced by the judges was a young man who received nine months for having stolen a jar of nutmeg worth four dollars, and another juvenile who was sentenced to three months for stealing some change from a car.

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The link in the Subject line, http://www.perverted-justice.com is to the site for the group seen on Dateline NBC. I have a story about these people. First, how I met them online. No, I am not a pervert, nor do I participate in anything that could be considered perversion (except with my hot wife), I molest her as often as possible. =) I met the "PeeJ" people by accident and long before I or anyone else I knew had heard of them. While in a chat room, a young kid appeared and began spouting sexual innuendo. So I PMed them and informed them what a bad idea that was. Then, being the paternal type goober that I am, I sought to help the kid out by talking to them about whatever their real problems were--uncaring parents (obviously, since they were online unsupervised), school issues, whatever. After about an hour and forty-five minutes of continual sexual commentary, they finally realized that I wasn't going to go there and admitted to me that they were not children and explained what they were doing. Do you know what my first reaction to that was? I was a bit pissed

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off that these people had taken advantage of my kindness and wasted my time. And what's worse--this happened more than once. Eventually they invited me to check out their site. I went there and found a chat area. In this chat area, they behaved like some of the most perverted people I have ever seen online anywhere. It was actually disturbing to watch. Just some background for you. Now to the point. Since that time, I have watched them closely online and now on TV. While I see nothing wrong with them doing what they do to the potential predators of society (they even call them "wannabe molesters," since they were caught before they could become actual molesters--as far as we know), I want to point out the pointlessness of the whole thing. On Dateline, once caught, they repeatedly ask these pervs if they have done this before, etcetera. Of course, most say they have not. The reality is that they have, which is why they continue to do this even after being caught and with knowledge of the ongoing stings set up by police and others. Why would they do this? Because it works. For every so-called molester these people nail, there are hundreds or thousands of vulnerable, yet sexually active children out there, just waiting to "hook up" with some ass who can buy them beer and the like. Why is this important? Because this society would do far better to help these children and address the real problem than it does by locking up thousands of desperate losers. In my opinion, most of these people pose no threat to any reasonable person and have no victims available to them in the first place if there aren't thousands of uneducated children online unsupervised. I'm not saying that the people at PeeJ should stop what they're doing. All I am saying is that we should address the much larger problem of sexually active children who have no clue about what they are doing. Every time I see an article about protecting the children online, two things occur to me. First, that is the responsibility of their jackass parents. Second, I feel that I need to be protected from the children more than they need to be protected. The 'Net is full of little script kiddies and the like who come online and run their mouths simply to annoy the crap out of anyone they can. I often wonder what would happen if I showed up at their door and informed them why I was there--before "confiscating" their damn computers, for their own safety, of course. Anyway, just remember that for every jerk you see on Dateline, there are hundreds or thousands of children out there who have and will participate in sexual activities with these scumbags. If you choose not to believe that, you need a wake up call. I'm sure that you remember when we were younger, the girls our own age always dated some loser who was 10 years their senior because it made them feel more mature. What a joke. My own "mature" sister did this. She ended up pregnant at 15 by a guy who was 26 years old. This is a lot more common than people are comfortable admitting. That's a far bigger problem than a bunch of hard up lowlifes who are such cowards that they pose no threat except to the dumbest, weakest segment of the population, who shouldn't be online unsupervised in the first place. I'm not advocating legislation of morality. I am advocating that parents be held responsible for the actions and/or victimization of their own children.
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Because if I have to go smash some little punk's computer with a sledge hammer for harassing me online, I guarantee that these parents will get the picture. __________________ "...for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke "Better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man be convicted." Sir William Blackstone, paraphrasing Genesis Speed, surprise and violence of action.
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I was sitting on the patio of a coffee shop the other day, reading a book. Two 12/13/14 yo girls (Lolita's stage of development) came and sat 20 feet away. One of them, wearing jogging shorts, sat facing me. She began to engage in various stretches as she sat in her chair- lifting one leg over her head, behind her neck, etc. She kept looking over to see if I was paying attention. Her shorts were very loose, and her hairless cooch was halfway displayed. Of course I averted my eyes immediately and said a prayer for her eternal soul. She continued in this vein for about 15 minutes- standing up, doing lunges, touching her toes, etc. All the while gauging whether I was watching. Which I was, but only for research purposes. It all seemed a little beyond the more common context of a girl experimenting with the capabilities of her newly-gained feminine charms. This overt exhibitionism was more extreme and almost bizarre, particularly given that I wouldn't expect to be in her preferred age-range. Made me wonder what her story was, and whether she'll ever meet Chris Hansen. Or whether Chris Hansen was lurking around the corner. __________________
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I'm glad to see that some people understand what I'm talking about on this subject. I'm sure that most people just want to believe that I'm some undersexed, bible-thumping, old-fashioned prude. The reality is that I am as open-minded as anyone and I'm sure that my libido is above the average as well. I'm male, so I have experience too since society doesn't frown on that. The thing is, if I hadn't wasted so much time hanging out with the wrong women, I might have met the right one a lot sooner. And that is exactly why I don't understand the total lack of self-control displayed in society today. If you give in to every urge, you will pay a price eventually. Whether it is low self-esteem, obesity, or whatever other result, nobody rides for free. Worst of all is the fact that parents and society as a whole tolerate or even encourage things which are obviously destructive. But I know why they have such a preoccupation with such base wants. It's as simple as quantity over quality. Since they can't have good food or good sex, they'll just have more of each. It's just a shame to me that so many girls and women see no more value to themselves than what lies between their legs--especially when women determine their own worth in a society which doesn't allow rape and domination. I'm far more interested in what lies between their ears and any man who is worth their time and interest will agree. If a man only sees their boobs, he's obviously not very evolved, mature, or whatever else you want to call it. For the ladies: you can't change a man, especially where there is no motivation for change. Exactly how long do you think that men could get away with demeaning and using women if they were denied the prize? All of the money and power in the world is useless to us when we sleep alone. We only want money and power to get more sex. Trust me. Learn it, live it and pass it on. Great. You're sexy. Just like 50% of the population is to the other 50%. Girls Gone Stupid are a dime a dozen and only inferior men are attracted to inferior women. __________________ "...for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke "Better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man be convicted." Sir William Blackstone, paraphrasing Genesis Speed, surprise and violence of action.
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Originally posted by AVENGER I If you give in to every urge, you will pay a price eventually.

I agree. Well said.
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Originally posted by Mack I She continued in this vein for about 15 minutes- standing up, doing lunges, touching her toes, etc. All the while gauging whether I was watching. Which I was, but only for research purposes.

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Jun 14, 2007 1:19 pm US/Central Murphy City Manager Quits, Gets $255K Severance Official Who OK'D Sex Sting To Resign http://cbs11tv.com/local/local_story_165122330.html (CBS 11 News) The Murphy City Council emerged from a closed door executive session about 1 a.m. Thursday and announced City Manager Craig Sherwood would resign. Sherwood authorized the city's participation in an internet sex sting operation with an organization called Perverted Justice and Dateline NBC. The sting conducted last year lured men seeking sex with children to a house in Murphy. Many residents were upset officials allowed the undercover operation to occur in their community. Although 23 people were arrested, the Collin County district attorney said he won't prosecute those cases because they don't meet his evidentiary standards. The people could still face federal charges. But Police Chief Billy Myrick is talking with the US Attorney's Office about prosecuting the cases in federal court. "The new council, as well as the mayor were very much against the sting. I think that has everything to do with that situation not with the past three years," said Michelle Long, a former Murphy City Council member. "I don't think it's fair to judge a person on one situation. (You should) look at the overall production and stability they brought to the city." Sherwood called the spilt amicable. He will leave with a $255,000 severance package and insurance benefits for a year or until he finds another job. City records indicate Sherwood's salary was $121,000 per year and included a $700 a month car allowance. In a city news release, Sherwood thanked Murphy residents and the three versions of City Council he has worked with during the past five years. "I want to make it clear that it was my decision to bring this forward to the Mayor and City Council and ask them to consider this at this time. I am very grateful for the three City Councils that I have worked for during my five years in Murphy. The City has a very dedicated and hard working staff and I feel the City will benefit with a new leader that can hopefully unite the City and take it to the next level," Sherwood said in the prepared statement. In that same release, the city statement was: "We are deeply grateful for his hard work and service. He has benefited the City in many ways. Mr. Sherwood has agreed to help the City through this transition process. We feel that this action is best for Mr. Sherwood

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Originally posted by AVENGER In this chat area, they behaved like some of the most perverted people I have ever seen online anywhere. It was actually disturbing to watch.

And this surprises who?
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Texas Town Roiled by NBC Sting Jun 28 01:57 PM US/Eastern By GRANT SLATER Associated Press Writer http://www.breitbart.com/article.ph...icle=1&catnum=0 MURPHY, Texas (AP) - A sting in which police teamed up with "Dateline NBC" to catch online pedophiles was supposed to send a flinty-eyed, Texas-style warning about this Dallas suburb: Don't mess with Murphy. Instead, it has turned into a fiasco. One of the 25 men caught in the sting—a prosecutor from a neighboring county—committed suicide when police came to arrest him. The Murphy city manager who approved the operation lost his job in the ensuing furor. And the district attorney is refusing to prosecute any of the men, saying many of the cases were tainted by the involvement of amateurs. "Certainly these people should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but the fact that this was all done for television cameras raises some questions," said Mayor Bret Baldwin. It is the first time in nine "Dateline NBC: To Catch a Predator" stings across the country in the past year and a half that prosecutors did not pursue charges. "Dateline" has made prime-time entertainment out of contacting would- be child molesters over the Internet, luring them to a meeting place, and videotaping their humiliating confrontations with reporter Chris Hansen. "Dateline" works with an activist group called Perverted Justice, which supplies adults who troll Internet chat rooms, posing as underage boys and girls, and try to collect incriminating sex talk. City manager Craig Sherwood approved such an operation in this wellto-do community of 11,000 after being approached by "Dateline" and Perverted Justice, but he never informed the mayor or the City Council. He said secrecy was necessary for the sting to be effective. Over four days in November, 24 men were arrested at a two-story home in one of Murphy's newer neighborhoods after allegedly arranging to meet boys or girls there. Some other suspects contacted Perverted Justice decoys online but never showed up at the house. Among them was Louis Conradt Jr., an assistant prosecutor from neighboring Kauffman County, who allegedly engaged in a sexually explicit online chat with an adult posing as a 13-year-old boy. As police knocked at his door and a "Dateline" camera crew waited in the street, Conradt shot himself.

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His sister, Patricia Conradt, told the City Council that police acted as "a judge, jury and executioner that was encouraged by an out-ofcontrol reality show." Then, last month, Collin County District Attorney John Roach dropped all charges. He said that in 16 of the cases, he had no jurisdiction, since neither the suspects nor the decoys were in the county during the online chats. As for the rest of the cases, he said neither police nor NBC could guarantee the chat logs were authentic and complete. "The fact that somebody besides police officers were involved is what makes this case bad," said Roach, who was informed of the sting in advance but did not participate. "If professionals had been running the show, they would have done a much better job rather than being at the beck and call of outsiders." As details of the suicide emerged, Murphy's mayor, City Council and most of its residents learned for the first time that potential molesters were being luring to their city. Many were furious. "They can chase predators all they want, but they shouldn't do it in a populated area with children, two blocks from an elementary school," said Lisa Watson, 33, who lives down the road from the sting house and has three children and another on the way. Bryan Whorton, who lives with his wife and baby across the street from the house, said his neighborhood was put in danger. Cars sped up and down the street and police sprinted from hiding spots, guns drawn, to arrest suspects, he said. One suspect dropped a bag of crack, Whorton said. "This is a family community. It didn't look kosher at all," he said. Two weeks ago, the City Council voted to buy out the city manager's contract for $255,000. NBC's Hansen said Murphy is the only place the show has encountered such resistance. "I don't want to get involved in the DA's business or the police business," he said. "I can tell you in the other locations, these issues did not come up." Eric Nichols, a Texas deputy attorney general, said that when law enforcement authorities pull an Internet sex sting, officers posing as decoys follow strict rules. Detailed chat logs are kept to ensure that "sex talk" is initiated by the potential predator. That way, a defendant cannot claim entrapment. Eric Chase, a defense attorney specializing in sex crimes, said stings are the job of police, not TV crews. "Police should not be abdicating a very important function to either private organizations or entertainment organizations," he said. __________________
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Originally posted by SHERIFF And this surprises who?

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It always surprises me that people can be so unashamedly duplicitous. It also surprises me that so many people are apparently developmentally frozen at the age of twelve. There is more to life than cheap sex and cheap cheeseburgers, kids! __________________ "...for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke "Better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man be convicted." Sir William Blackstone, paraphrasing Genesis Speed, surprise and violence of action.
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First of all, I never claimed to be sane. In fact, by the literal definition of sanity, which is whatever the majority believes to be sanity at any given time, I am quite insane and proud of it. You missed my point completely. My point was that these children are not naive and innocent. They do need to be protected. But more from themselves, their own stupidity and their irresponsible parents than they do from these so-called molesters who don't even have the balls to take on the pencil-necked Dateline reporter. And yes, since you ask, if YOUR child is molested through the Internet, which YOU provided, and YOU have no idea about it, then YOU are a bad parent. It's about time that people stand the f**k up and take some personal responsibility instead of constantly trying to blame others, which is how this society got so fu**ed up in the first place. I never said that these losers didn't need and deserve to be prosecuted. If nothing else, they need to be stomped into bits until they learn how to be men--something that this society no longer teaches. Don't put words into my mouth and turn this into another piece of circular illogic provided by so many idiots online who lack basic comprehension skills. You do that and I'll just have to assume that you're a stupid cop and ignore you completely. __________________ "...for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke "Better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man be convicted." Sir William Blackstone, paraphrasing Genesis Speed, surprise and violence of action.
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Check out the lawsuit: http://www.courthousenews.com/BartelNBC.pdf __________________ http://www.ronpaul2008.com
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Originally posted by nicole1970 A child is ONLY CAPABLE of being a child, regardless of the childs desire to be grown,cool, or accepted by any adult who wishes to cause the child harm.

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I agree with your entire post, but on the other hand I don't think anyone here is advocating the molestation of children. __________________
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Thanks for that, Rylan. THREE wrongs don't make a right. And Merry Christmas to the poor lady. Rubber chickens? Freakin' juvenile delinquents with badges. Exactly what we all need. Right, Mack. I was only advocating that parents and society address what I think is a bigger problem--children being left to their own devices without being given any moral education. The perverts will always be there, waiting for you to turn your back. And you can bet that if my kid was molested by some idiot, I'd feel responsible enough to take care of it myself. But I'd also wonder what I'd done or not done to lead my kid to even want to have anything to do with some obvious loser. And someone's getting a spanking, to put it nicely. __________________ "...for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke "Better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man be convicted." Sir William Blackstone, paraphrasing Genesis Speed, surprise and violence of action.
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Nicole, I never accused you of anything or threatened you. "I was not accusing anyone of advocating the molestation a child and I do apologize if I came across that way. But I do not apologize for anything said." It did come across that way. But I think you're confused and you obviously didn't read or comprehend the gist of my post.

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"And as far as Avenger accusing me of potentialy being a cop, he can go to straight to hell." Look at my location. "After all my kids and I have been through since October 14th 2006 I hardly think some silly childish threat of -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------You do that and I'll just have to assume that you're a stupid cop and ignore you completely. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------is going make me quake with any kind of apprehension or alarm." Now I'm childish as well, but I'm not supposed to be offended when you completely disregard the point of my post and essentially attack me as if I'm defending the scum of the earth? "So being accused of possibly being a cop because I happen to disagree w/ someone is preety much bull ****." You can't disagree with what you didn't bother to read and understand. "So hey Avenger... **** you right back! I wont be bullied by a cop ar you." I never said "**** you" and I am no bully. I am the real thing--not some punk ass ****-talker, lady. As far as your husband goes, I'm sorry for your loss. But don't vent it on me. I am not the enemy. In fact, I just might be your best friend in the world right now if you give me half a chance, because I have been where you are my whole life. I will apologize to you for my comment. It was meant to express my annoyance at the fact that you apparently missed the entire point of my post--which was meant to make a difference--but I should have chosen a better way of saying it. __________________ "...for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke "Better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man be convicted." Sir William Blackstone, paraphrasing Genesis Speed, surprise and violence of action.
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I understand. I am all "psycho" about the system and the barrel of monkeys we call a society myself. It looks to me like you might have a touch of PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder), which would be completely normal in your situation. I know I sleep with one eye open and a hand on my pistol. My wife loves that. It's freakin' great. I thought about it some and I can clarify a bit now. My main beef about the media and society always pointing the finger is that since I was a teenager, I wondered things about my own "peers" such as, "Where are these kids' parents?" I know that you can't watch children 24/7 and that there will always be people who creep in under the wire. I just have a problem with the parents who think that their children are little angels, no matter what the evidence is to the contrary. As an example, there was an outbreak of esophageal gonorrhea here a while back and one mother had the utter stupidity to call the radio show and state, "Those weren't our kids. It was some kid from out of state." Well, obviously their kids played an equal role, since they were the ones being treated for VD of the throat. Right? That kind of head-in-the-sand thinking just blows me away. I'm not blaming children, per se, but I think we all know that a lot of teenagers think they are more mature than they are or ever will be. I understand your comment about curiosity--I was a semi******ed kid once too. But I think there's something very wrong with a culture that allows or even promotes teen girls basically prostituting themselves and teen boys calling themselves pimps. If these were my children, they would receive a major education in self-worth and selfrespect if I caught them posting swimsuit shots on MySpace, for example. I didn't mean to imply that any parent is to blame when their child is molested. No matter what you did or didn't do as a parent, it is still the fault of the entire society and the useless system that we all pay for protection. I can see that you've had some terrible experiences, to say the least. I hope things get better for you soon and that you find some justice and some peace. Feel free to PM me if you ever want to chat about it. Anyone who loves cops is either sheltered and ignorant, or just plain evil. I fight regularly with morons who take issue with my "there are no good cops" mentality. I have begun to see the sheeple as a greater menace to freedom than the stupid goose-steppers they support. They are all my enemies. __________________ "...for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke "Better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man be convicted." Sir William Blackstone, paraphrasing Genesis Speed, surprise and violence of action.
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Ramble away. People need to know what the system and its thugs are really all about. As far as my day goes, I woke up dreaming about posting a ton of video clips on a website so that people can see reality, instead of the half-truths we all see on the so-called news. Take care. =) __________________ "...for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke "Better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man be convicted." Sir William Blackstone, paraphrasing Genesis Speed, surprise and violence of action.
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This can't be a coincidence. The cop was targeting you for retribution. What's his name, and what department is he with? __________________
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perverted justice

Owner of Perverted Justice on camera where he was teaching Police about Police work………..

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Its pretty scary to think than these idiots feel the need to try to incarcerate people for what they might do. I agree that the real perverts deserve prosecution but isn't that supposed to be the job of Law Enforcement? Anyone who thinks that organizations like PeeJ are a good idea should think again. Guilty or not you could be next. Next thing you know they will target wannabe pot smokers,drunk drivers, tax cheats,atheists,hindus,buddists and anyone else they can harass just to get their jollies. Trust me it won't be long till they are sued out of exsistance. __________________ Law Enforcement Is Only A Tool Of The Rich And Powerful To Maintain The Status Quo. (LISA SIMPSON) Bart's Sister
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NBC's 'To Catch a Predator' is sued for $105M over man who killed himself as police arrived http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?S=6831108 July 24, 2007 09:10 AM NEW YORK (AP) - In the "Dateline NBC: To Catch a Predator" show, men accused of having explicit online chats with people they think are underage children go to a house to meet them, where TV cameras, host Chris Hansen and police await. Louis William Conradt Jr., of Terrell, Texas, a Dallas suburb, was suspected of being one of those men, except he didn't show up at the house. That didn't stop the TV producers and police from showing up at his, though, and as officers knocked on his door and a camera crew waited in the street, Conradt shot and killed himself. His sister, Patricia Conradt, sued NBC Universal Inc. in U.S. District Court in Manhattan on Monday for $105 million, accusing it of taking over police duties and then failing to protect her brother. In the lawsuit, Patricia Conradt accused NBC Universal of engaging in a pattern of racketeering activity by bribing police across the country to let it film encounters with suspects it lures to a home where it has set up cameras.

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She said in the lawsuit NBC "steam-rolled" police to arrest her brother after telling police he failed to show up at the rigged house 35 miles away. She said her brother was unable to defend himself when police, NBC employees and associates swarmed his yard, creating a relationship between NBC and her brother similar to the relationship a prison guard has with an inmate. "The suicide was reasonably foreseeable," her lawsuit said. "At this time, the defendant wore the robe of a state official and Bill wore the shackles of a detainee. Having trespassed and invaded upon Bill's property to broadcast a spectacle to millions, the defendant took no more steps toward protecting him than are received by a gladiator or bull." A spokeswoman for NBC Universal, Jenny Tartikoff, said: "We have not yet received the lawsuit, but we plan to defend ourselves vigorously as we believe the claims in the suit to be completely without merit." NBC and Perverted Justice have filmed similar operations in other cities, and the network has said the show did not have the same problems elsewhere. The lawsuit said Conradt Jr., 57, an assistant county prosecutor, shot himself after he was accused of engaging in a sexually explicit online chat with an adult posing as a 13-year-old boy. It said a police officer at the scene of the shooting told a "Dateline" producer: "That'll make good TV." In the lawsuit, Patricia Conradt said NBC was "concerned more with its own profits than with pedophilia." Conradt Jr. became a target in a program in which NBC and the activist group Perverted Justice set up shop for four days last November in a twostory home in Murphy, Texas. Perverted Justice staff posed as boys and girls online and arranged to meet men there. Two dozen men were arrested, but the district attorney refused to prosecute any of them, saying many of the cases were tainted by the involvement of amateurs and that he lacked jurisdiction in most cases because neither the suspects nor decoys were in the county during the online chats. The city manager was fired for approving the arrangement without telling the mayor or the city council. __________________
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Suit alleges NBC paid several departments, former Murphy official http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...lo.32983a1.html 10:38 PM CDT on Sunday, July 29, 2007 By TIARA M. ELLIS / The Dallas Morning News Police agencies accused in a lawsuit of accepting bribes in exchange for allowing the Dateline NBC show To Catch a Predator to film Internet sex stings denied receiving money or services. The allegations against several police departments across the

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country were detailed in a $105 million lawsuit filed last week against NBC for the suicide of Louis "Bill" Conradt Jr., a former Kaufman County district attorney who shot himself as police raided his home. Dateline NBC cameras were waiting outside. The suit alleges that NBC targeted high-ranking officials and used bribery, and it describes the sting methods as sensational and for the purposes of entertainment and profit. NBC officials have said they plan to defend the show but would not comment on specifics because of the pending litigation. Bruce Baron, the attorney who filed the lawsuit on behalf of Mr. Conradt's sister, Patricia Conradt, would not talk about bribery amounts or precise ways city officials benefited from NBC. He pointed out that the lawsuit names specific officers and police chiefs. "Right now, this is only the beginning. It's the first complaint in this case," Mr. Baron said. "Whenever there is illicit or a secret arrangement, it's very, very difficult to pinpoint all the evidence until you keep poking at it in discovery. There, all of the secret deals and evidence of them come out." Murphy was the only Texas city mentioned in the lawsuit and was the police department that headed the November sting in Terrell, where Mr. Conradt killed himself. The lawsuit claimed that NBC also offered bribes to officials in Greenville, Ohio; Fort Myers and Flagler Beach, Fla.; and Riverside County, Petaluma, and Long Beach, Calif. In exchange, the lawsuit contended, officials kept the busts secret from city officials. Officials in all but Murphy and Fort Myers denied receiving anything for letting NBC film the busts. Fort Myers Police Chief Hilton Daniels had no comment because he had not seen the lawsuit. Murphy Police Chief Bill Myrick could not be reached for comment, and the city's attorney, Robert Brown, did not return repeated phone calls. In the lawsuit, Murphy's then-City Manager Craig Sherwood is named as the person who benefited financially through services or other means. Mr. Sherwood did not return repeated phone calls. Mr. Sherwood and Chief Myrick invited Dateline NBC to Murphy last year, along with Perverted Justice, an Internet watchdog group whose members act as decoys pretending to be teenage boys and girls online. Mr. Sherwood resigned from the city just after the Collin County district attorney declined to prosecute any of the 23 cases that resulted from the sex predator stings in Murphy. Prosecutors said they could not prove a crime occurred in their jurisdiction. In other cases, complete transcripts of the exchange between Perverted Justice decoys and suspects were not available, District Attorney John Roach has said.
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The lawsuit said Flagler Beach Police Chief Roger Free questioned allowing Dateline NBC to document busts because of Mr. Conradt's death. "Am I an idiot, after what happened in Texas?" the lawsuit quotes Chief Free as saying. "We do not need this exposure." Chief Free said he contacted Perverted Justice and Dateline NBC and asked them to go to Flagler Beach. He said he had not heard about Mr. Conradt's death at the time. "I don't think they even knew where Flagler Beach was until we contacted them," Chief Free said. In Long Beach and Riverside County, police officials said their officers might have talked to NBC officials originally. The police chief and sheriff, respectively, make the final decision to allow their busts to be recorded for television. "It was forwarded to me for my review," said Tom Freeman, the Riverside County sheriff's chief of media information. "Then I shared that with the sheriff, and Sheriff Bob Doyle listened to my recommendations. I felt this is something that would be a benefit to our community ... in the sense that it would send a strong message to people viewing the program that Riverside, Calif., is very, very proactive ... in the pursuit of sex offenders." In the lawsuit, Riverside County sheriff's Lt. Chad Bianco was described as skeptical about the manpower needed and perception of Riverside in the show. The lawsuit suggests that he was swayed by money and an offer to "help you get away." In Greenville, Ohio, the lawsuit accused the Darke County Sheriff's Department of deputizing NBC employees and receiving money. Darke County sheriff's Chief Deputy Bill Grice said the department was already planning to use decoys from Perverted Justice and had been working on an operation with them when NBC asked to join. County prosecutors recommended that Perverted Justice volunteers be deputized to help with the cases when they were brought to court. But no one with NBC was deputized or given any special treatment, Deputy Grice said. "We received absolutely nothing from Perverted Justice. We received absolutely nothing from NBC," Deputy Grice said. "There were no reimbursements, nothing." None of the cities have opened investigations into the accusations. __________________
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Suit alleges NBC paid several departments, former Murphy official http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...lo.32983a1.html 06:13 AM CDT on Monday, July 30, 2007 By TIARA M. ELLIS / The Dallas Morning News Police agencies accused in a lawsuit of accepting bribes in exchange for allowing the Dateline NBC show To Catch a Predator to film Internet sex stings denied receiving money or services. The allegations against several police departments across the country were detailed in a $105 million lawsuit filed last week against NBC for the suicide of Louis "Bill" Conradt Jr., a former Kaufman County district attorney who shot himself as police raided his home. Dateline NBC cameras were waiting outside. The suit alleges that NBC targeted high-ranking officials and used bribery, and it describes the sting methods as sensational and for the purposes of entertainment and profit. NBC officials have said they plan to defend the show but would not comment on specifics because of the pending litigation. Bruce Baron, the attorney who filed the lawsuit on behalf of Mr. Conradt's sister, Patricia Conradt, would not talk about bribery amounts or precise ways city officials benefited from NBC. He pointed out that the lawsuit names specific officers and police chiefs. "Right now, this is only the beginning. It's the first complaint in this case," Mr. Baron said. "Whenever there is illicit or a secret arrangement, it's very, very difficult to pinpoint all the evidence until you keep poking at it in discovery. There, all of the secret

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deals and evidence of them come out." Murphy was the only Texas city mentioned in the lawsuit and was the police department that headed the November sting in Terrell, where Mr. Conradt killed himself. The lawsuit claimed that NBC also offered bribes to officials in Greenville, Ohio; Fort Myers and Flagler Beach, Fla.; and Riverside County, Petaluma, and Long Beach, Calif. In exchange, the lawsuit contended, officials kept the busts secret from city officials. Officials in all but Murphy and Fort Myers denied receiving anything for letting NBC film the busts. Fort Myers Police Chief Hilton Daniels had no comment because he had not seen the lawsuit. Murphy Police Chief Bill Myrick could not be reached for comment, and the city's attorney, Robert Brown, did not return repeated phone calls. In the lawsuit, Murphy's then-City Manager Craig Sherwood is named as the person who benefited financially through services or other means. Mr. Sherwood did not return repeated phone calls. Mr. Sherwood and Chief Myrick invited Dateline NBC to Murphy last year, along with Perverted Justice, an Internet watchdog group whose members act as decoys pretending to be teenage boys and girls online. Mr. Sherwood resigned from the city just after the Collin County district attorney declined to prosecute any of the 23 cases that resulted from the sex predator stings in Murphy. Prosecutors said they could not prove a crime occurred in their jurisdiction. In other cases, complete transcripts of the exchange between Perverted Justice decoys and suspects were not available, District Attorney John Roach has said. The lawsuit said Flagler Beach Police Chief Roger Free questioned allowing Dateline NBC to document busts because of Mr. Conradt's death. "Am I an idiot, after what happened in Texas?" the lawsuit quotes Chief Free as saying. "We do not need this exposure." Chief Free said he contacted Perverted Justice and Dateline NBC and asked them to go to Flagler Beach. He said he had not heard about Mr. Conradt's death at the time. "I don't think they even knew where Flagler Beach was until we contacted them," Chief Free said. In Long Beach and Riverside County, police officials said their officers might have talked to NBC officials originally. The police chief and sheriff, respectively, make the final decision to allow their busts to be recorded for television. "It was forwarded to me for my review," said Tom Freeman, the

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Riverside County sheriff's chief of media information. "Then I shared that with the sheriff, and Sheriff Bob Doyle listened to my recommendations. I felt this is something that would be a benefit to our community ... in the sense that it would send a strong message to people viewing the program that Riverside, Calif., is very, very proactive ... in the pursuit of sex offenders." In the lawsuit, Riverside County sheriff's Lt. Chad Bianco was described as skeptical about the manpower needed and perception of Riverside in the show. The lawsuit suggests that he was swayed by money and an offer to "help you get away." In Greenville, Ohio, the lawsuit accused the Darke County Sheriff's Department of deputizing NBC employees and receiving money. Darke County sheriff's Chief Deputy Bill Grice said the department was already planning to use decoys from Perverted Justice and had been working on an operation with them when NBC asked to join. County prosecutors recommended that Perverted Justice volunteers be deputized to help with the cases when they were brought to court. But no one with NBC was deputized or given any special treatment, Deputy Grice said. "We received absolutely nothing from Perverted Justice. We received absolutely nothing from NBC," Deputy Grice said. "There were no reimbursements, nothing." None of the cities have opened investigations into the accusations. __________________
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Deputies linked to bribe lawsuit against NBC

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Rod Leveque, Staff Writer Article Launched: 08/04/2007 12:00:00 AM PDT The Riverside County Sheriff's Department has been hit with allegations that the NBC television network bribed a lieutenant to win his cooperation for a televised sex-sting operation. The claim is part of a lawsuit filed against NBC in a New York federal court, alleging that the producers of the Dateline NBC program "To Catch a Predator" routinely bribed law-enforcement officials in exchange for their help in arranging the stings. A sheriff's spokeswoman declined to comment on the allegations Friday. She referred questions to her supervisors, who did not return calls. Neither the Sheriff's Department nor Sheriff-Coroner Bob Doyle are named as a party to the lawsuit. The stings aired on the show require close cooperation between law enforcement and the television program. To pull them off, undercover operatives pose as children in Internet chat rooms in search of sexual predators, and then invite them to a home for sex. When the alleged predators arrive, they are met by television cameras and a Dateline reporter. Officers then swoop in and arrest them as they leave the house. The Riverside County Sheriff's Department participated in such an operation in January 2006. In that case, roughly 50 men were arrested at a home in Mira Loma over a three-day span. According to the lawsuit, NBC approached sheriff's Lt. Chad Bianco about setting up a sting in Riverside County. The claim states Bianco was initially reluctant to participate out of fear the operation would be "harmful to the community." The lawsuit alleges Dateline employees suggested the show would be beneficial to his career. It further alleges the network gave him money, services or other things of value to win his support. It gives no other specifics on the alleged bribery. The lawsuit says Dateline producers struck similar deals with law

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enforcement in Long Beach, Petaluma, Florida and Ohio. The lawsuit was filed in federal court last month by Patricia Conradt, the sister of a former Texas district attorney who killed himself after becoming entangled in a "To Catch a Predator" operation. The woman is seeking more than $100 million from NBC. The allegations in the lawsuit are in some ways similar to those made in another case filed against NBC in May. In that case, a former Dateline producer accuses the network of using shady tactics to stage the stings. Among her allegations, plaintiff Marsha Bartel claims NBC "unethically pays or indirectly reimburses law-enforcement officials to participate in the predator stings." Her lawsuit also alleges the network inappropriately provides lawenforcement agencies with video equipment used for the arrest and prosecution of the alleged predators. Bartel's lawsuit does not accuse the Riverside County Sheriff's Department, or any any other law-enforcement agency, of wrongdoing. NBC News spokeswoman Jenny Tartikoff said Friday that the network denies the allegations in both lawsuits and plans to fight the cases vigorously. Staff writer Rod Leveque can be reached by e-mail at r_leveque@dailybulletin.com, or by phone at (909) 483-9325. __________________
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I wonder if some of these sting opperations are happening in states where both parties are supposed to okay the recording of audio. Not only is in a felony in a lot of states, they also allow for civil damages. __________________
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Originally posted by Maxima I wonder if some of these sting opperations are happening in states where both parties are supposed to okay the recording of audio.

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In Illinois it is illegal to record the audio of any interaction unless the consent of both individuals is obtained... unless the recording party has "reasonable suspicion" to believe the recording will capture evidence of a crime. It wouldn't surprise me if other states have the same clause. __________________
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Originally posted by GC505 In Illinois it is illegal to record the audio of any interaction unless the consent of both individuals is obtained... unless the recording party has "reasonable suspicion" to believe the recording will capture evidence of a crime. It wouldn't surprise me if other states have the same clause.
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From looking at recording statutes, that is actaully isn't a common phrase. Here is the part of the IL statute you are talking about.
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(i) Recording of a conversation made by or at the request of a person, not a law enforcement officer or agent of a law enforcement officer, who is a party to the conversation, under reasonable suspicion that another party to the conversation is committing, is about to commit, or has committed a criminal offense against the person or a member of his or her immediate household, and there is reason to believe that evidence of the criminal offense may be obtained by the recording;

From the writing of the statute, it apprear Chris Hanson would not be protected from violating this law. __________________
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people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing. Make them intelligent, and they will be vigilant; give them the means of detecting the wrong, and they will apply the remedy.” — Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837 Report this post to a moderator |

08-05-2007 08:15 PM

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True... especially since there is no actual victim. The decoy is of legal age. __________________
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Originally posted by GC505 True... especially since there is no actual victim. The decoy is of legal age.

You never know though. Now a days, the law is enforced to help the police and it's helpers so it probably couldn't be used to convict Hanson and his crew.
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should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing. Make them intelligent, and they will be vigilant; give them the means of detecting the wrong, and they will apply the remedy.” — Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837 Report this post to a moderator |

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...Unless Hanson and his crew refused to pay the latest bribe. __________________
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Posted Aug 8th 2007 4:30PM by TMZ Staff Filed under: Celebrity Justice, TV Blair Berk: Click to watch http://www.tmz.com/tmz_main_video?titleid=1134010198 A high-powered celebrity lawyer representing a doctor accused of being a sexual predator went after "Dateline NBC" yesterday in a California courtroom. Blair Berk, whose clients include Lindsay Lohan, Mel Gibson and Halle Berry, is currently representing Dr. Maurice Wolin, a

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prominent oncologist. The doctor was taken down by cops last year as "Dateline" cameras rolled. Prosecutors say Dr. Wolin made plans to have a sexual encounter with someone on the Internet who he thought was a 13-year-old girl. In fact, the person who was IMing Dr. Wolin was self-proclaimed "evil vigilante" Xavier Von Erck, founder of Perverted Justice. DadtelineIn yesterday's preliminary hearing in Santa Rosa California, Berk grilled a cop whose department worked with Perverted Justice and "Dateline." Berk maintained that Perverted Justice got money for snagging alleged predators and therefore entrapped her client to make a buck. She claimed Perverted Justice illegally recorded conversations with her client and also said the chat logs could not be authenticated. The logs have not been admitted into evidence. Xavier Von Erck: Click to watchThe cop who testified yesterday called the chat logs "extensive" and "extremely incriminating." In one exchange, the doctor allegedly asked to come over to her house, but added, "But you're under 18 and I'm over. We would have to be soo careful." NBC rented the house that was used for the doctor's alleged sexual liaison. Xavier Von Erck will testify when the prelim resumes next month. The judge will then decide whether to admit the critical logs into evidence and then determine if Dr. Wolin will stand trial. __________________
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Documents for Hundred Million Dollar Lawsuit Against NBC's "Dateline" Predator Program Obtained by Corrupted-Justice

New York, NY – As recently announced by a number of major news outlets, the sister of a former Texas district attorney who took his own life after being targeted by the cyber-vigilante group "perverted-justice" during one of their sting operations for Dateline NBC's much-maligned "To Catch A Predator" series has filed a lawsuit against the entertainment company for a staggering $100,000,000.00. As indicated in the original 18-page complaint (accessible below), the legal firm of Baron Associates P.C. is requesting monetary damages for their client, Patricia Conradt as administratrix of the estate of her brother, for 3 separate "causes of action", namely: 1. $30 million for intentional infliction of emotional distress due to the death of Mr. Conradt as a result of the methods used by Perverted-Justice and Dateline NBC in their execution of their populer entertainment program "To Catch A Predator"; 2. $30 million for breach of the Civil Rights Act in that NBC deprived William Conradt of life, liberty or property without due process, and; 3. $35 million for bribery of government officials (police) in violation of the RICO act 4. Additional court costs and legal expenses What follows is the original complaint, filed with the United States District Court, Southern District of New York on 23 July 2007. Conradt vs NBC Universal Inc. - Original Complaint http://www.corrupted-justice.com/co...s/complaint.jpg http://www.corrupted-justice.com/co...mplaint0001.jpg http://www.corrupted-justice.com/co...mplaint0002.jpg http://www.corrupted-justice.com/co...mplaint0003.jpg http://www.corrupted-justice.com/co...mplaint0004.jpg http://www.corrupted-justice.com/co...mplaint0005.jpg http://www.corrupted-justice.com/co...mplaint0006.jpg http://www.corrupted-justice.com/co...mplaint0007.jpg http://www.corrupted-justice.com/co...mplaint0008.jpg http://www.corrupted-justice.com/co...mplaint0009.jpg http://www.corrupted-justice.com/co...mplaint0010.jpg http://www.corrupted-justice.com/co...mplaint0011.jpg http://www.corrupted-justice.com/co...mplaint0012.jpg http://www.corrupted-justice.com/co...mplaint0013.jpg http://www.corrupted-justice.com/co...mplaint0014.jpg
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'To Catch a Predator': The New American Witch Hunt for Dangerous Pedophiles http://www.rollingstone.com/news/st...ican_witch_hunt From Issue 1032 VANESSA GRIGORIADIS Posted Jul 30, 2007 9:40 AM No one is home at this house on the Jersey Shore -- no one, that is, except a very cute and horny fourteen-year-old. Her parents went to Atlantic City for the weekend, she is telling guys online, and she wants to get laid. Dozens of men are now making their way to the house, hoping to get lucky with an underage kid. One hopped on a motorcycle for the six-hour drive from Pennsylvania; another grabbed a train from New York in a SpongeBob SquarePants jacket, armed with a bottle of K-Y Jelly. One by one, they pull up to this white-shingled, weather-beaten house at the edge of the Atlantic Ocean, with no cars in the driveway and the window shades drawn. A mailman stuffs some bills into the shark-shaped mailbox next door, pulling open its door of tiny white teeth. This, as the men will soon discover, isn't just a house: It's the set

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of the Dateline NBC show To Catch a Predator, the ratings phenomenon that zooms into America's living rooms to humiliate sexual perverts. The program's gotcha! moments are like those on any reality show; who can forget the time they made a bespectacled twenty-year-old come over naked for sex play with some Cool Whip? Except Dateline sends people to jail and claims a high-minded purpose: warning the American public about what it calls a "growing national epidemic." To transform a house into a giant flytrap for sexual predators, it takes more than forty people, many of whom are hanging out in the living room on this Friday afternoon. There's the face of the operation: host Chris Hansen, a blond Dateline correspondent, discussing helicopter trips to more glamorous assignments with his producer. There's the eyes of the operation: Mitchell Wagenberg, a spy for hire wearing a long, skinny braid down to his butt, presiding over seventeen cameras hidden in dried-flower wreaths and the toaster. And there's the body of the operation: Casey, a sexpot college student and aspiring dancer in tight jeans who is playing jailbait decoy today because her landlord dad owns this house. (Added bonus: Local prosecutors wrote her college a note so she could get out of a chemistry test.) Casey gabs to potential predators on the phone. "Come on over, we're not going to get caught," she says. "If we got caught, I would get into trouble, and everybody would call me a slut, and I don't want that, either. I'll pay for your gas. It's no big deal, trust me. My dad gave me plenty of money for the weekend." When the guy fails to take the bait, her voice rises in pitch. "OK, fine, whatever, lame. L-A-M-E. You're being a baby. I told you I've done it a million times!" None of these people, however, are the brains of the operation. Those, appropriately enough, are located upstairs, in the house's third-floor attic. For the Dateline sting, the space has been converted into the warren of Perverted Justice, a secretive citizenry of seventy-five predator-fighting zealots determined to save children from the long-term scars of sex abuse. The group is an assortment of Genesis-loving fatsos from Texas, introverted copywriters from Wisconsin, and New York nightclub doorgirls, with a dedicated core of West Coast anarchist tech geeks and gamers in their twenties and thirties. For those downstairs, To Catch a Predator is just a TV show; for those upstairs, hunting predators is both the coolest online game they've ever known and a life calling. Many members of Perverted Justice use pseudonyms, keeping their real names secret even from one another. One of the few who know their true identities is their elusive leader, Xavier Von Erck, a twenty-eight-year-old libertarian and atheist who kills on Civilization IV. It's getting late, and the four top-ranking members of Perverted Justice here in the flesh -- Del Harvey, Frag, Pibb and Don Pedro -are arranged around computers and video monitors balanced on the
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attic's chairs and beds, eagerly awaiting their afternoon prey. "Friday night, baby -- hookup central!" says Del. At twenty-five, she's a computer geek's fantasy female: androgynous, beautiful, pierced, with comprehensive musical knowledge and a house overrun by pet Maine coons and an iguana. One of her favorite shirts features two cars crashing into each other under the symbol CTRL+Z. "Get it?" she asks excitedly. "It's a car crash, and ControlZ is the command for undo!" Del pecks madly at her keyboard, coordinating the thirty-five volunteers who are working on this sting remotely. They chat with men on Yahoo!, AOL and MySpace about topics such as "have u ever given a bj b4?" and "do you have thick or thin pussy lips?" In the past few days, PJ members posing as young girls and boys have chatted with nearly 300 men. About thirty will actually show up at the house this weekend. A few guys are scheduled to appear soon -- a salesman, a printing-press operator and a college student who has revealed that his uncle is a captain at a nearby police department. Suddenly Frag leans toward his IM screen, which is scrolling rapidly with news from far-flung PJ members. "We got one -- Ikeman!" he exclaims. "Ikeman coming from the south, in a blue Chevy Impala. He's bringing wine coolers!" Everyone turns their attention to the camera following the Impala as it disgorges Ikeman, a.k.a. John Donnelly, a handsome twentyone-year-old who is wearing a striped sweatshirt and a look that's equal parts sexual anticipation and terror. Casey runs outside to meet him, taking a seat in a chair on the beach. He approaches slowly. "Where are the wine coolers?" she asks. "I was going to get them after I met you because I was so paranoid," Donnelly says, looking around. "Man, I was just worried about this **** because I never met anyone under eighteen." He scrutinizes a couple passing by. "I guess there are no cops around, so it's cool." "Yeah," says Casey, smiling. "You can see there's no one here." He rubs his head. "I'm just worried that it's some crazy scheme," he says. "It's just like what you see on the news --" "I don't watch the news!" she says, snickering. "Well, I don't watch the news either," he says. "But you know on Comedy Central's Daily Show, they make fun of the news, but it really is the news, right? And I heard there's cops who pretend they're girls and **** like that." He laughs as his body finally relaxes, like a cat finding a patch of sun. "I guess everything's cool," he says.

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Just then, Chris Hansen streaks toward him, a camera crew not far behind. The degree to which things are about to get uncool for Donnelly is amazing to contemplate. Twenty-eight men are caught in the bust, and the local prosecutor's office brings charges against all of them. If they're convicted, their sentences for attempted sexual assault will range from five to ten years in prison. In direct response to the high-profile success of To Catch a Predator, laws against online predators have become increasingly hostile: Internet solicitation of a minor is now a crime in a majority of states, regardless of whether an actual minor is involved. By 2009, at least 600,000 of the country's convicted sex offenders -including those who, like Donnelly, never met an actual minor -will be required by a new federal law, the Adam Walsh Act, to be listed on a national registry of sex offenders. There, on easy-tonavigate maps for the entire country, their photos and home addresses will appear next to categories such as aliases, sentence and "computer used." Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch even thanked Perverted Justice for "directly impacting" the law's passage. Twenty-four states now forbid sex offenders from living near a host of public places -- including schools, parks, day-care centers and bus stops -- effectively shutting them out of many cities. Florida and Oklahoma require some sex offenders to submit to GPS monitoring for the rest of their lives. Ohio lawmakers even tried to pass a bill in 2005 to force sex offenders to sport pink license plates on their cars, but pressure from Mary Kay cosmetics, whose logo is pink, stymied the plan. This year, legislators are trying again with fluorescent-green plates. This is much to the glee of Perverted Justice, which views child sex abuse as a vastly underrated evil, one deserving of harsher punishment. "I'm just a guy working within the Constitution to make the world a better place, using my freedom of speech to chat with individuals on the other end of the screen name," says Frag. "How much more gratifying does it get than finding guys who are about to molest children and putting them in jail? Not many Americans have that." In reality, though, the stings conducted by Perverted Justice are essentially designed to circumvent the Constitution. Police departments are largely overtaxed in the area of Internet crimes, and since Dateline reportedly pays Perverted Justice $100,000 per sting, the group is able to provide its services to the cops for free. In many ways, it is a subcontracted police force, with Del and Frag even deputized by local cops for one Dateline sting. But because its members are private citizens, their actions are impervious to charges of entrapment. Casey's come-on at the New Jersey house is not unusual: Perverted Justice tries to talk predators who have decided against a date into changing their mind, making calls in calming, baby-girl voices to men who are having second thoughts.

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While some police departments enjoy the publicity that Perverted Justice brings, many in the criminal-justice field aren't so sanguine about the group's tactics. "We can't let anyone who wants simply become law enforcement," says Mike Iacopino, co-chair of a task force on sex offenders assembled by the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. "This is no different than letting a guy with a six-shooter walk around protecting your hometown." Indeed, many child-protection agencies express a disapproval of Dateline. "We've seen numerous cases that would constitute entrapment, and then Chris Hansen shoves a camera in these guys' faces and they end up convicted on the basis of the camera confession," says Brad Russ, director of training for Internet Crimes Against Children, a federally funded task force that declined to partner with Dateline. "The whole thing is a perversion of the way the criminal-justice system is supposed to operate." There is something undeniably disturbing about watching a delicate law-enforcement operation being orchestrated by a group of citizens hellbent on revenge -- and anonymous ones at that. (During a Dateline sting in Texas, one alleged predator committed suicide while cameras waited down the street from his house.) In addition to the seventy-five "high-security-clearance" members who form the core of Perverted Justice, another 45,000 people have signed up for the group's online forums, where anyone can puff up their chest and play deputy dog. Despite warnings by the group, these nameless volunteers have made harassing phone calls to predators and mailed flyers to local businesses outing sex offenders. In addition, they post their own "investigations" under a section called "Human Shields." Perverted Justice also posts the pornographic material that predators have sent to decoys -Webcam photos of their penises, videos of themselves masturbating -- alongside their first names and hometowns, thus disseminating the very perversions it fights. Even more disturbing, anti-predator stings involving decoys may actually outnumber crimes involving real victims. On an early episode of To Catch a Predator, Dateline estimated that there are 50,000 predators online at any moment -- a number the show pretty much made up out of thin air, though that didn't stop Attorney General Alberto Gonzales from citing it as fact in a speech last year. But a study conducted by the University of New Hampshire estimated that there were fewer than 2,900 arrests for online sexual offenses against minors in a single year. What's more, only 1,152 involved victims who were approached by strangers on the Internet -- and more than half this number were actually cops posing as kids. Perverted justice started out as a hobby. You could call it Stupid Pedophile Tricks -- Internet geeks have long pretended to be young girls and boys in chat rooms and then turned the tables on unsuspecting guys ("u be the nurse"; "I jam the thermometer down the head til you feel it touch your pelvic bone"). In 2002, Von Erck,
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at the time a tech for a TurboTax-like computer program, and Frank Fencepost, a thirtysomething tattoo artist and motorcyclist, began playing tricks in chat rooms in Portland, Oregon. Fencepost took things to another level, telling guys to come over with Taco Bell and pizza, then meeting them at the door with a raised baseball bat. "Innocence is a very precious commodity, and it's in our interest to preserve a kid's as long as possible," says Fencepost. "There's nothing finer than the feeling when some bastard who thought he was about to 'score big' with a ten-year-old gets the surprise of his life: my face on his monitor, my voice on his phone and, in a figurative sense at least, my **** in his mouth." Fencepost and Von Erck posted the logs of these chats, attracting a dozen others who wanted to get in on the fun. This new group increasingly took its tricks offline, bullying alleged predators with sinister phone calls. One PJ member who calls himself Antiperv said he posed as the principal of a local elementary school. "I'm having a 'Get to Know You Better Day,' and I'd like to have you come down and piss on all the kids," Antiperv told his victim. "Talk to us about the best liquids to drink to get a good yellow piss, and, if time permits, allow the children to piss on you." They also made inflammatory calls to the families, neighbors and employers of predators. "It's important to be very explicit in your calls," says a former member. "Once a predator is incarcerated, you can call the prison and say, 'This particular prisoner wanted to make a thirteenyear-old girl eat dog food while he ****ed her in the ass.' One can assume that would stick in a guard's head." But in 2004, Von Erck and Fencepost had a falling-out over tactics. "Xavier became much more oriented toward getting pedophiles arrested rather than just making them complete social pariahs in their neighborhood," says Fencepost. A Detroit broadcast on Von Erck caught the attention of Hansen, a smart reporter known for using hidden cameras, who took the idea to Dateline in 2004. All told, Perverted Justice has helped arrest about 250 men with the show, nabbed 200 more in other stings and scared straight hundreds of others. In a move that whitewashed the group's prior bullying and abusive tactics, Von Erck has wiped all traces of early chats, including Fencepost's, from the Perverted Justice Web site. Earlier this year, he deleted entries from his personal blog as well, upset that journalists had located them and quoted some of his writing: "I wish I could ****ing kill 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Yes, kill. I'd like to kill them. . . . I want you to die. I wish you would die. Why don't you die? Just die." For a while clicking on his blog brought up a message addressed to "lazy idiots who aren't that bright." The subject line read, "You'll have to do some work now." For a group devoted to exposing those who hide behind online anonymity, the masterminds behind To Catch a Predator are only sporadically accountable themselves. Perverted Justice didn't respond to my e-mails for nearly two weeks, claiming that my account had blocked its return messages because the "perverted" in
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their URL was registering as pornographic. NBC, for its part, refused to provide any phone numbers for New Jersey predators, citing a "standards and practices" provision that bars it from sharing unpublished news-gathering. And a particularly disaffected former member of Perverted Justice left me a vaguely threatening voice message: "The reason I'm calling is one of the things that makes PJ cultlike is I spent some time wondering if you are who you said you were or a PJer trying to see what they could find out about me. I spent a half-hour poking around, I found out you and your husband are thirty-three years old, and he's been arrested in California for something minor, and you and I went to the same school. . . . Also, you post too much information about yourself on the Web. I wouldn't add to it. I just wanted to let you know I had that thought." The predators themselves were incommunicado as well. I searched for more than a hundred men busted by Perverted Justice and found only eleven with listed numbers, all of whom were terrified -worried about being evicted from their homes, losing their jobs, even becoming targets of random violence. (One study shows that as many as one in two sex offenders experience some form of harassment by strangers.) I sat behind a noisy waterfall in a vegan restaurant with one Dateline predator and in a banquette with high seat backs in a Mexican cafe with another, and they were still worried about who was watching them. "Maybe I'm paranoid, but I've got good reason to be paranoid," wailed one. A divorced father of two started to weep: "I love Dunkin' Donuts, but I won't go in anymore. I'm so scared of the first encounter with someone I know who has seen me on TV." Although To Catch a Predator fosters the belief that child molesters are largely violent and untreatable, sex offenders actually have the lowest rearrest rates of all convicts. According to the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics, only five percent of convicted sex offenders reoffend in three years, and studies show that fewer than one in four commit another sex crime in fifteen years. Men who rape women are more likely to return to their old ways than pedophiles who molest girls. What's more, Perverted Justice's tactics may actually make the threat of child sex abuse worse instead of better. While the group has caught dangerous predators who eluded other law-enforcement methods, ninety percent of the men busted on To Catch a Predator have no rap sheet, and few have any sort of sex offense on their record. By whipping up public frenzy about online strangers, Perverted Justice diverts attention from the real source of child sex abuse: relatives and acquaintances. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, ninety-three percent of perpetrators of child sexual abuse are known to the child. "The focus on 'stranger danger' makes most people less suspicious of those they know," says Jill Levenson, a leading sex-crimes researcher at Lynn University in Florida. "And that could make it easier for known abusers to fly below the radar."

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What Perverted Justice leaves in its wake are a lot of disturbed men with deep psychosexual problems whose national humiliation robs them of any real chance of re-entering society. Wesley Brannen, a twenty-five-year-old carpenter from San Bernardino, California, who was busted by the group, was released in January after eighteen months in prison. At six-one and 265 pounds, he looks like a white-boy gangster: shaved head, Vandyke beard, red plaid shirt. His parole officer is making him wear a GPS bracelet, but Brannen looks on the bright side. "The good thing is that not only child molesters wear these things, but gang members too," he says. "So I figure people will think I'm in a gang." At first, Brannen speaks softly, talking about how he has slept with only four women in his life. He says he even wrote Perverted Justice an apologetic letter. But soon he's bursting with a toxic mix of anger and bravado. "These thirteen-year-old girls don't look like thirteen-year-olds no more!" he says. "Man, when I'm off parole, maybe I'll get a woman from Peru -- one who doesn't speak English, so she won't ask about my past." As he talks, Brannen drives aimlessly around San Bernardino in his Lexus. His dad and mom both live too close to schools, so Brannen is staying at a halfway house in the hills. Though he's clean now, he used to be a meth addict who made his living scamming credit cards. He hit on Perverted Justice's thirteen-year-old decoy, he says, only because he had just returned home from a weekend smoking meth with some girls at a roadside motel and was still hot and bothered when he got on Yahoo! chat. "I was thinking to myself, 'This ain't right,' but I was so spun everything was offkilter," he says. After a while, Brannen reveals that he was molested by an older man when he was seven. "For so long I carried that around," he says, "like it was my fault that he did that to me." Deep down, he wanted revenge and became obsessed with searching for registered sex offenders online. "If a guy did something serious, like molest a young kid, I'd try to get the homeboys to go over there and clean out the guy's house," Brannen says, stroking his beard. "Now I'm in the same situation myself, and I'm worried about who is going to come get me." In recent weeks, it has started to seem like Perverted Justice may have overstayed its welcome on the national stage. For the first time, its tactics are starting to backfire. A district attorney in Texas recently refused to prosecute twenty-four men busted by Dateline, citing insufficient evidence, and the city manager who put together the sting was forced to resign in disgrace. NBC also got rid of the show's producer, who retaliated with a suit alleging that she became a target when she expressed reservations about the ethics of the show. NBC denies that claim, but a source within the network says that the days of To Catch a Predator, unpopular with advertisers, are numbered: NBC plans to phase out the show after four more stings.
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None of this bothers Xavier Von Erck, whose obsession launched the franchise. "Hey, the TV show could go away tomorrow, and it doesn't matter to me," he says. "Perverted Justice will still do what we do, roll how we roll." Von Erck, whose nickname is X, is sitting in a bookstore cafe in Portland, dressed all in black. He looks a little like Philip Seymour Hoffman, five-eleven and round all over. He wears tinted eyeglasses and walks with a limp because he spends so much time at the computer that his eyes are now light-sensitive and his leg muscles have seized up. In a way, he's an odd doppelganger for Brannen, another guy who seems childlike but wants to be a gangster. Though he wasn't molested himself, Von Erck felt robbed of his childhood by his father and legally changed his name from Phillip Eide to eradicate the last vestiges of his paternal namesake. "My dad was an alcoholic scumbag commercial fisherman who hit my mom," he says. "She left him when I was one, and he went on to impregnate ten more women up and down the West Coast. His name is garbage." As a teenager, the only thing that brought Von Erck back to a state of innocence and wonder was the computer -until he decided that the online world was teeming with sex offenders. "I was so into the computer," he says. "I went into chat rooms thinking it was going to be utopia, and it was dystopia." It's easy to see how Perverted Justice resembles a game to Von Erck. Intentionally enigmatic himself, he demands utter transparency from predators and Perverted Justice members, like a junior-high-school kid playing D&D who always wants to be the dungeon master so he can control every aspect of the game. He guards his power closely, requiring members to give him their entire Internet history (all screen names, all pages joined) and going to war with "stupid" people who dare to criticize Perverted Justice. He exacted a particularly sadistic form of revenge against Bruce Raisley, a software developer from Arkansas who launched an aggressive anti-PJ crusade. Posing as a woman named Holly, Von Erck began an online flirtation with Raisley, who was smitten enough to leave his wife and rent a new apartment. On the day Raisley went to pick up Holly at the airport, Von Erck sent a friend to snap his photo and posted it with a warning: "Tonight, Bruce Raisley stood around at an airport, flowers in hand, waiting for a woman that turned out to be a man. . . . He has no one. He has no more secrets. . . . Perverted-Justice.com will only tolerate so much in the way of threats and attacks upon us." Here, after all, is the point of Perverted Justice: to destroy and vanquish, to re- establish utopia, both online and off. With or without To Catch a Predator, the man known as X is onto the next stage of the game, taking on even bigger prey than horny guys who stalk young girls. Von Erck's new obsession is what he calls "corporate sex offenders" – online sites that don't do enough, in his

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view, to rein in the pedophiles who use their services. MySpace is exempt from the campaign -- since March, at the request of PJ, it has removed more than 3,000 predators from its site and forwarded their addresses and online profiles to the police. But Von Erck is mobilizing his thousands of followers to write letters to companies advertising on LiveJournal and YouTube, demanding they withdraw their support. "Corporations have a choice about having the pedophile community use their service and upload videos on their sites," he says. "People want to know if you're responsible on this issue." Von Erck looks out into the distance, imagining a world in which every predator has been ferreted o ut and cyberspace is his again. "When it comes to the Internet, pedophiles got there first," he says. "It's a check game, where they make one move and we try to check it. But slowly but surely, we're catching up." __________________
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ON THE DOCKET Judge: Perverted Justice Founder 'Solicited Child Molestation' http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-a-predator.php The pudgy, pasty, and exceedingly creepy founder of Perverted Justice, the online vigilante group that NBC News pays to lure in gap-toothed perverts for Dateline NBC's "To Catch a Predator," narrowly escaped a taste of his own medicine last week. On August 10, a judge in Oglethorpe County, Georgia, issued a previously unreported order finding that "there is probable cause to believe that Xavier Von Erck solicited ... child molestation, statutory rape, or attempted child molestation or attempted statutory rape."

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Sadly, it's not quite as deliciously ironic as it sounds: There's no evidence (yet) that Von Erck is a secret pedophile. The case stems from a rather novel legal theory pursued by Robert E. White, whose son Robert Gerald White was arrested for attempted child molestation and attempted statutory rape after a Dateline sting in Harris County, Georgia, last year. The elder White thinks that Von Erck, by posing as a 15-year-old girl during online chats with his son, actually solicited the younger White into showing up at the Dateline house for sex. And in Georgia, solicitation is a crime. Robert E. White's attorney, Gary Gerrard, went to a Georgia state judge last month seeking a warrant for Von Erck's arrest for criminal solicitation, and the judge, by and large, agreed: He issued an order stating that "there is probable cause to believe that Xavier Von Erck communicated with Robert Gerald White with intent that Robert Gerald White would engage in conduct constituting a felony." In other words, Von Erck wanted the younger White to break the law and tried to get him to do so, behavior that is usually considered criminal in Georgia. But the judge declined to issue the warrant, finding that there was no way the younger White could have actually committed the crime that Von Erck was soliciting him to commit—there was, after all, no 15-year-old girl to molest. But it might not be that simple. Gerrard and other sources familiar with Georgia criminal law say the judge plainly got it wrong. Georgia law clearly states that "it is no defense to a prosecution for criminal solicitation that the person solicited could not be guilty of the crime solicited." So if Von Erck were prosecuted for solicitation, he wouldn't be able to argue that he knew all along that no actual 15-year-old girl was going to be molested. "The law says the impossibility of committing the crime is not a defense," says Gerrard. What's more, White was charged with attempted molestation, a crime that he actually committed by showing up at the Dateline house. And that crime, the judge's order says, was solicited by Von Erck. "It seems clear here that Von Erck did intend for this man to commit a felony," said Robert D. Leonard II, a Georgia criminal defense attorney who maintains a blog on Georgia law. "The felony would be attempted child molestation." Gerrard says he is considering his options and may appeal the order. In a statement, NBC said, "We believe our newsgathering and activities in connection with "To Catch a Predator" fully complied with Georgia law." E-mailed for a response, Von Erck replied, "Thanks for contacting us for comment. Unfortunately, you're not a legitimate reporter, you're
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just a rather scummy fellow who writes for a tabloid rag. Other than being told that you're a scummy hack who resembles a stalker more than a journalist, we don't have any comment for you on this issue or any other issue." By John Cook 08/17/07 8:45 AM VON PERV Xavier http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...81607_fresh.jpg Attachment: xavier von erck.jpg
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Strange Bedfellows Xavier Von Erck dropped out of college, started a pedophile-hunting vigilante group, and spent months posing as a woman to trick an online enemy into falling in love with him. Meet the new savior of NBC News http://www.radaronline.com/features..._bedfellows.php By John Cook As NBC gears up for fall, no doubt full of hope that it can avoid a third consecutive season as the fourth-place network, you're likely to see a lot of familiar faces plastered on the sides of buses: Meredith Vieira, Brian Williams, Steve Carell, Donald Trump. One face you won't see, however, belongs to a 27-year-old community college dropout from Portland, Oregon, who is responsible for an NBC ratings phenomenon that has eclipsed or matched those stars' shows: His cunning idea, which makes for endlessly watchable and

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deeply nauseating television, regularly doubles Today's audience, draws more viewers than both the Nightly News and The Office, and nearly tied The Apprentice in audience last season, a tonic that NBC desperately needs as it founders in the ratings. His name is Xavier Von Erck, and the program he helped create is "To Catch a Predator," the recurring special "investigation" into the sexual depravity of drooling, sweaty creeps that periodically hijacks Dateline NBC during sweeps months. Xavier Von Erck—if the name sounds invented, that's because it is, but more on that later—is the founder and public face of Perverted Justice, an all-volunteer online organization that seeks to expose adults who troll chat rooms looking for youngsters to have sex with. Its members do this by posing as 12- or 13-year-olds online, engaging in sexual banter with older men, setting up meetings purportedly for sex, and then, after verifying a target's identity, posting his name and personal details online and encouraging readers to call his family and employer to let them know what he's been doing with his free time. But it's not only predators who have found themselves duped and publicly disgraced by Von Erck. He once set out to destroy an enemy by posing as a woman, seducing him online with graphic sex chats, posting the transcripts on the web, and threatening to release a purported video of his target masturbating—not the kind of behavior you'd expect from NBC News's golden boy. Von Erck, who previously worked tech support jobs, launched Perverted Justice in 2003. "I was a chatter in the Portland Yahoo regional rooms," he tells Radar in an e-mail. "I, like many, had the notion that individuals going online to solicit kids would be arrested, that cops were all over the chatrooms monitoring things. However, week after week passed and the same guys who would mass-post things like, 'Any 14-to-15-year-olds in here want to make money modeling?' and other solicitations would still be there. It was disturbing." He figured that if he could pretend to be a kid, he could embarrass the lurkers and make every potential predator paranoid about contacting children online. Perverted Justice initially limited itself to publicizing the names and contact information of its targets on the website. Eventually, local news crews in Portland and elsewhere began collaborating with Von Erck to set up sting operations—drawing perverts to a rented house, filming them as they approached, and using the footage to scare the **** out of parents during sweeps. It was, at best, a mediocre gimmick suitable for mid-market local news until Dateline hit on the idea that would make "To Catch a Predator" a cultural touchstone: Set up a pompous correspondent inside the house to interview the startled pervs and make them sweat. With smarmy host Chris Hansen onboard, the show takes on the classic elements of Aristotelian drama. First, viewers feel pity for the marks, who slowly come to understand before our eyes that they've just wrecked their lives; next comes fear, enhanced by creepy graphics and hard-to-prove statistics indicating that everybody on the
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Internet wants to molest your daughter; and finally we experience a satisfying sense of purgation as each sucker is taken violently to the ground by local police waiting outside the house. Even by the bug-eating, race-baiting, promiscuity-celebrating standards of reality television, "To Catch a Predator" is monstrously exploitative—a Television Age Roman coliseum where freakish criminals are publicly humiliated for bloodsport and ratings. Granted, these are bad men, and it's a good thing they are being stopped, hopefully, from hurting actual children. But they can be stopped—and are stopped all the time by local police stings— without parading them across our television screens for titillated and enraged audiences to gawk at between commercial breaks. And, of course, "To Catch a Predator" is not reality television. It's produced under the auspices of NBC's vaunted news division, which has gone to unprecedented lengths to secure Von Erck's ongoing cooperation, reportedly paying him in excess of $100,000 per episode for his services, and even giving him, according to one source, a cut of any revenue from future DVD sales of the shows. That arrangement, and the show's sensationalism, make some at the network squirm. "I think it's fascinating television," says one former NBC News producer who loathes the show but often can't look away. "Although I find myself rooting for the pedophiles." Not much is known about Von Erck's background. He's cagey in interviews—he agreed to talk to Radar only via e-mail—and doesn't reveal much personal information for fear of being targeted by one of the men he has exposed. He was raised in Portland by his mother, who struggled to support the family by working odd jobs— from Taco Bell to a gas station—and moved 12 times before his junior year of high school. He was the captain of his high school's mock trial team, and he continues to demonstrate a facility for debate and rhetoric on his blog, Angry German, where he alternates between charming posts about his love of Portland, video games, and professional wrestling, and vicious, unhinged screeds against various targets. Some of Von Erck's rants betray a hint of the sadism that informs "To Catch a Predator." After a spate of kidnappings and beheadings in Iraq in 2004, Von Erck wrote that he was "positively appalled at Nicholas Berg," who "kneeled meekly and struggled naught [sic] as his death was thrust upon him ... bending to the will of the kidnappers." He was even more enraged by the "shameless and pathetic" conduct of Kim Sun-il, a kidnapped South Korean translator who appeared in a video released by Iraqi insurgents (he was later beheaded). "The asshole, yes, the asshole, screamed in English, pleading for his life," Von Erck wrote. "Let me be the first and probably only American to wish for his speedy death.... No life of such a worm, a coward, can be considered important." Of 9/11 conspiracy theorists, Von Erck had this to say: "I wish I could ****ing kill 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Yes, kill. I'd like to kill them. Kill them all... I want you to die. I wish you would
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die. Why don't you die? Just die." Von Erck's birth name is Phillip John Eide. Although he legally changed it earlier this year in a Portland court, he says he has gone by Xavier Von Erck since he was 15. Erck is his mother's maiden name, to which he added the "Von" in a nod to his German heritage. "Xavier" he just picked. "My old name was the name my father gave me," he says. "Being that my father had no role in my upbringing, as a teen I did not see the logic in being stuck with his name. So I took my mother's name as a tribute to her, and a new first name." (In the Perverted Justice world, where anonymous volunteers going by handles like Epiphany and Peppermint Patty pretend to be children online, identity is a tricky thing to nail down. Von Erck's longtime friend and roommate, formerly known as Nicholas Wilkins, has also legally changed his name to his online handle, Phoebus Apollo.) Von Erck briefly attended Mt. Hood Community College before dropping out in the face of what he called a "productive Internet addiction." He then worked various tech support jobs while building up Perverted Justice; now, running the website and coordinating Perverted Justice's role in the Dateline busts is his full-time job. As for how and why he made a career of humiliating perverts, Von Erck is demure: "The site has grown and evolved because people have come to it and suggested ideas, come up with technological improvements, etc. I just organize and direct it. I try not to take credit for the site succeeding, the credit goes to how pervasive the problem is online and how dedicated people are toward fighting it." Nevertheless, Perverted Justice has many enemies. There are websites devoted to attacking Von Erck and his nameless volunteer corps, and to outing and identifying the people who conduct Perverted Justice's stings. These anti-PJ activists describe themselves as combating vigilantism and what they see as the group's entrapment tactics. According to an account posted by Von Erck, one of Perverted Justice's fiercest critics was a 44-year-old software developer from Searcy, Arkansas, named Bruce Raisley. Raisley was a frequent poster to a forum at an anti-PJ site called Anti-Vigilante Special Operations (AVSO) and he posted several threatening and seemingly deranged comments to the site. He claimed, among other things, to have written a virus that he would unleash upon Perverted Justice volunteers, and used his computer skills to harass Perverted Justice members by exposing the online handles they used when posing as children and tracking down their real identities. He once threatened, during an IM chat, to "**** or beat" one Perverted Justice activist if he ever met him (Raisley thought he was communicating with a woman at the time). It's unclear why Raisley, a private pilot and ham radio enthusiast, was so militantly opposed to Perverted Justice. He has claimed he was once a Perverted Justice member but broke with the group after another member found a photograph of Railey's son online and used it in a
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decoy Yahoo profile—in other words, used his son as bait for perverts. Perverted Justice denies this. Von Erck claims he contacted local authorities in Arkansas and the FBI about Raisley but they "simply weren't moving fast enough for my tastes, considering how bold he was getting about his threats." So he decided to mete out his own form of perverse justice, introducing himself to Raisley online, via instant messenger. He called himself "Holly." Holly and Raisley hit it off. They conducted a months-long correspondence via IM, and gradually, Raisley fell in love with his new online pal. Holly would occasionally inquire about Raisley's antiPerverted Justice activities, but eventually the conversation turned to sex: [Raisley]: what r u doing? [Holly]: I have my fingers in [Raisley]: i am holding it [Holly]: are you rubbing it [Raisley]: r u rubbing your clit? [Holly]: yes. it feels so good baby The couple had cybersex twice. Holly repeatedly begged Raisley to masturbate in front of a webcam for her. Raisley told her about his son, his job, his role as a Boy Scout troop leader. Eventually, Raisley came clean to his wife about Holly, told her that they were in love, and declared that Holly was moving to Arkansas. After securing an apartment for the two of them to live in, he went to pick up Holly at the airport. He was carrying flowers. Von Erck never got on the plane, but he did find someone to go to the airport at the appointed time to snap a picture of a hopeful Raisley waiting for his love to arrive. Then he posted it online, along with the entire text of their chat and a threat to release a video file he claimed showed Raisley masturbating. And then this message to Perverted Justice's detractors: "[W]hen you attempt to threaten members of Perverted-Justice.com ... this can happen to you. Tonight, Bruce Raisley stood around at an airport, flowers in hand, waiting for a woman that turned out to be a man. He's not in love. He has destroyed his relationship with his wife, he has denigrated her, and he has betrayed all those around him. He has no one. He has no more secrets. We at Perverted-Justice.com will only tolerate so much in the way of threats and attacks upon us." Today, Von Erck professes sympathy for his victim. "As much as I hated Bruce Raisley for what he tried to do," he says, "I felt bad for him in the sense that the guy definitely has some mental issues. My hope is that Raisley gets mental health help, he sticks with his wife, and they live a happy, threatening- and harassing-free life. The head game that was played with him was only done in order to 'knock him out' so to speak."

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Raisley was indeed knocked out. A call to his home in Arkansas was answered by a woman who said she was his wife. "That was just a big old mess," she said. "He's already lost one job over this, and he doesn't want anybody to know about it. I'm just hoping this will just fade away." Though she would not comment on the accuracy of Von Erck's online account, she admitted having read it. Von Erck is not the first strange man—and pretending to be a woman for the purposes of seducing a man over a period of months in order to publicly ruin him is nothing if not strange—that NBC News has worked with in order to gather the news. But the extent of the network's business relationship with Von Erck has raised eyebrows in the halls of NBC News. According to an April Washington Post story, Perverted Justice was paid a "low six figures" consultancy fee to organize a sting operation for Dateline in Ohio. Sources knowledgable about the inner workings of NBC confirm that account, and say NBC is paying the group between $100,000 and $150,000 per show. According to one current NBC News staffer and one former NBC official, the figure was arrived at after Perverted Justice saw the ratings success of its first three Dateline shows and retained the services of Steve Sadicario, a former ABC News executive and agent with NS Bienstock, a firm that represents Bill O'Reilly, Anderson Cooper, and Dan Rather. Sadicario, according to the sources, started a "bidding war" for Perverted Justice's services after shopping an idea for a show to Fox and ABC. NBC won. The deal that Perverted Justice cut with NBC is unusual in two respects: For one, according to the former NBC News official, it was negotiated by the network's entertainment lawyers, not by the news division's legal staff. Secondly, according to an NBC News staffer, Perverted Justice is entitled to a portion of any revenue from DVD sales of "To Catch a Predator" episodes—an arrangement common in the entertainment world but unheard of in the context of a news division's relationship with a consultant. The staffer notes, "It would be the first back-end deal in the history of journalism." It's not hard to see why NBC would go to great lengths to keep Von Erck in its stable, and to ride the "To Catch a Predator" phenomenon as far as it can. So far, the original broadcasts have averaged 9.2 million viewers, beating out such entertainmentdivision staples as Will & Grace (with an average of 8.6 million viewers last season) and The Office (7.9 million). In the advertiserfriendly 18-to-49-year-old demographic, "To Catch a Predator" episodes ranked 16 among NBC's 41 regularly broadcast shows last season, beating Scrubs and Fear Factor. While it's a special edition of Dateline NBC, rather than a show in its own right, it was one of NBC's few successful new offerings last season. Only Deal or No Deal, Surface, and My Name Is Earl outperformed it in the 18-to-49year-old demographic.

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Both Von Erck and David Corvo, executive producer of Dateline, who submitted to a brief interview and did not return subsequent phone calls, say they are unaware of plans for a DVD, and both say they don't know if Perverted Justice would get any portion of the revenues if a DVD were sold. Sadicario did not return repeated phone calls. Both NBC and Von Erck declined to discuss specifics of the deal, and Von Erck says that "by and large," he hasn't seen any of the NBC money yet. (He told Willamette Week in May that he'd only been paid $20,000 so far.) But if Perverted Justice is getting paid more than $100,000 per sting, it has earned more than $400,000 since April. "It was getting expensive," Von Erck says. "We literally could not keep our website up anymore due to the site traffic. At that point it was either no more Datelines or a consultation fee. At the end of the day, the cameramen were getting paid, Chris Hansen was getting paid, the producers of Dateline were getting paid, the police were paying themselves via public funds to do the arrests, the guy who owns the house was getting compensated, the security there was being paid. So it was only natural to seek compensation for the expensive work that we do." Asked to outline the expenses involved in operating Perverted Justice, Von Erck cites only server costs to handle traffic driven to the group's website by the exposure on Dateline and "confidential" expenses associated with the stings. Perverted Justice has no paid staff and no offices. In fact, it is not even a legal entity. Von Erck says he is in the process of incorporating it as a nonprofit, but claims not to know in which state. Von Erck says he is not personally being paid by NBC and claims not to know precisely to whom NBC is making out the checks. The arrangement, and the fact that the shows involve cooperation with law enforcement, has some NBC News staff apoplectic. "We've crawled into bed with the cops. People think this will be the pickup truck for the new decade," says one Dateline producer, referring to the notorious episode in 1993 in which Dateline was caught faking exploding gas tanks in GM trucks. "One of these guys is going to go home and shoot himself in the head. The Perverted Justice people are insane, and they'll do something to embarrass us. One of the biggest corporations in the world ought to find a better target than skanky guys in shorts." "There's no doubt," says another NBC News staffer, "that somewhere down the line, some district attorney is going to ask us for outtakes or footage from a story, and we're going to say, 'We don't do that because we don't want to be an agent of the police.' And he's going to say, 'You did with "Predator." There is a sense [in the news division] that standards don't matter." Indeed, the network has already been confronted with such a
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dilemma: In one prosecution that resulted from a Dateline sting, that of Rabbi David Kaye of Rockville, MD, the defense issued a subpoena for the unedited footage of Kaye's conversation with Chris Hansen. NBC's lawyers filed a motion to quash the subpoena, according to Kaye's attorney, in which they signaled their intent to argue that as a news organization they should be shielded from having to reveal the products of newsgathering. But it would be incoherent of NBC to assert its independence when it comes to judicial subpoenas at the same time it invites police officers to participate in its newsgathering efforts. NBC's lawyers quickly realized this and agreed to make the unedited footage available for download on the Dateline website. If the network published it for the world to see, the twisted logic went, it could avoid the unpleasant prospect of defending in court the very principle of independence that it had sacrificed on the screen. (On September 6, Kaye was convicted in federal court of enticing a minor and crossing state lines for illicit sex with a minor.) It's not just NBC staff that finds fault with "To Catch a Predator." Brad Russ, the former commander of the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force (ICAC) for Northern New England, a federal program designed to help local authorities fight child pornography and Internet predators, has participated in many online sting operations. "I have a real problem with any citizens' group conducting any investigation into any crime," he says. "It's a mistake for law enforcement to abdicate its responsibility to citizens." And NBC, he says, is playing with fire by drawing potentially dangerous men to residential neighborhoods and confronting them. "How would you feel if the media rented a house in your neighborhood and drew 30 people who've demonstrated a propensity for children to your house? What happens when they flee at a high rate of speed and they T-bone your wife's car? We would never set up a sting in a residential neighborhood." Russ adds that targets could be armed, and that an ICAC officer in Florida was shot and killed during a sting. Kimberly Mitchell, a researcher for the Crimes Against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire, has studied both the efficacy of Internet stings and the risks that children face online. While she says properly conducted stings by law enforcement are a useful tool, she worries that "Predator" overstates the problem. "We've talked to kids, and I think [sexual solicitations online] are something they've come to expect to happen," she says. "It's fairly common for them to see these things and experience them." In fact, according to Mitchell's research, fully two thirds of children who were solicited online last year brushed off the incident, and only four percent of children who regularly used the Internet received "distressing" solicitations. "On the one hand," Mitchell says, "it's good that people are aware. On the other hand, it's blown very far out of proportion—it's extreme. It tells you one small piece of the story. It can distort the truth and present this false fear."

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NBC and Perverted Justice are in the process of filming more stings for this season. "They have a whole fresh new bunch for September," says the Dateline producer. "Several weeks' worth. There are a lot of people who would like to see it as a show." But if initial reports from the unaired stings are any indication, a new series based on "Predator" wouldn't last long. One of the key elements of "Predator" segments is Chris Hansen's "and you won't believe ... " moment, when the predator turns out to be a teacher, a lawyer, a rabbi. It's a message that plays well to the upscale audience NBC caters to. These people could be your neighbors. But according to an NBC News staffer, the stings have become a victim of their own success. "What I heard was that they had a tough time of it," the staffer says. "The smarter predators have figured it out. You're not getting the rabbis, doctors, and teachers. You're getting losers." And losers, as the former NBC News official put it, "aren't in the demo." This story was updated on September 7 at 3 p.m. EST. 09/07/06 __________________
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I told you so. Some of these PJ people are as strange as the people they target. Thanks to Navigatr1 for investigating this story further. __________________ "...for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke "Better that ten guilty men go free than on