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NatalisOro
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Current State of Affairs

ThuMay18,20179:48pm
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This is mostly for Draith's benefit, since he's probably wondering why we're all so quiet, suddenly.

I dropped a bomb in the GA 1.0. I called for a discussion and vote on ousting Krath from the GA.

There were several reasons I did this, but I will go with the most obvious.
During discussions on the murder of Elm, it became irrevokably evident that even though Krath rushed to tell us about
it as though there was a mighty fire they needed to snuff out, they were also not really interested in answering for it.
"An accident" they called it. Matukai Dragon's have A&E privs in Krath space they are, for all intents and purposes a
Krath NAT or PSA...and the MD's 2IC decided to call in a bounty without knowing who Elm was and basically serviced
Zann by arresting and quickly executing him.

Krath, apparently, had no idea this was happening. The leader of the MD (Raidan Spike) also said he didnt realise...
tried to stop it when he saw the event notices, but was too late. Their version of events is definitely well rehearsed,
but the NRI files are clear that Raidan knew and wanted to profit from the murder.

Should this have been the only issue, perhaps I may have given them leyway. They gave the planets back in reparation,
after all.. and promised to withold A&E privs from MD for a time. But it isnt.

Lazarus executed Varro Belle. Varro Belle is hardly a friend of mine nor is it anyone's place to tell another faction
they can not deliver a death sentance as a course of justice. However, Lazarus Kell ~tortured~ Varro Belle in public
before the humiliating .. and very public execution. It was mean't to create and sustain blood lust, a sense of power,
domination and as a deterant to others. But moreso, it is an obvious sign of corruption shows a lack of respect for
life and a determination that some sentients are 'greater' than others and thusly, can do what they want.

The GA accepted the former (the execution), but did not speak of the latter (the torture). In all its grim and sickening
reality, it was then publically broadcast, as though it was an acceptable form of punishment. And the GA was then
tarnished with the same brush. After all, how can we be against the Empire with its desire to rule all forcefully, if we
allow a GA Member group to torture another individual?

Even if that was all Krath repeatedly and beligerantly gifted NR restricted tech to their 'new allies' (the Rift
Alliance). Despite our laws and protocols. The Old Leaders stepped in.. made them give it back, but these 'new allies'
are closely associated with Zann. Zann, who want the entire Galaxy 'to burn'. Talak Kasra is crafty, but he can not even
pretend he is GA material. He constantly makes backyard deals with shady influences. His background, I will let Adam
speak towards... but needless to say, whenever Talak has something to do with an event, watch it very carefully it
will reek of subterfuge, lies and profiteering. His swift ascension to power in Krath may truly be that they are
struggling for leader material. The Old Guard is gone and Lazarus is slowly forfeiting his power there.... Talak is
eager and willing to take it up. Talak considers a lack of public signs of rule as being a 'coward', taking advice as
'pandering' and actually detests 'pacifism' in any form < this is not my opinion, by the way. He stated as such in his
own words and this is the sort of person we are dealing with in GA 1.0 LC.

Now, since I have made my opening position clear, Krath is scrambling. TIEFE were extremely quick to jump in and

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choose Krath's side and I would be surprised if my proposition goes through. Krath only need one more vote to quash it,
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Why push now? Because the longer the entire GA are seen to be complicit in these goings on, the worse it will appear
PR wise. And... it is an opening. A drawing of lines in the sand. Already, we've had TC speak to us in a very
encouraging fashion.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

I do believe it's time to move.

((That being said, Jake Azzameen is RL away for all of next week. If he is super quiet, this is why. He's also unable to
access the net apart from at work at present))

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TengriLethas
MinisterofTrade&Industry

Re: Current State of Affairs

ThuMay18,20179:58pm
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Thanks for the additional information NAT. You were rather vague at the AC today, so I too appreciate your lengthier
explanation.
I think an additional advantage of the current situation is, if the proposal is quashed, it serves us as excuse later. In
case we leave the current GA.
If this was your intention from the beginning, kudos.

It hurts to say it, but we can only profit from this at the moment (except bad press, of course). At least it becomes
more evident who's likeminded and who's not.

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DraithShadux

Re: Current State of Affairs

FriMay19,20177:33am
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Thanks for letting me know as I was wondering why everyone was so quiet. I assumed it was due to the time of the
year since SWC tends to slow a bit with school finishing up for summer break.

I think it's a good thing though on dropping the bomb of ousting Krath. It will surely show who aligns more with what
we are trying to establish with the GA 2.0.

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Re: Current State of Affairs

SatMay20,201712:17pm
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Now, since I have made my opening position clear, Krath is scrambling. TIEFE were extremely quick to jump in and
choose Krath's side and I would be surprised if my proposition goes through. Krath only need one more vote to
quash it, and my bet is that eXiles or DoT will deliver. It should be interesting to see who jumps in first.

Since TIEFE has no own voice here, please allow me to elaborate my personal impressions here from my talks with Blot
(who is deeply concerned about current affairs in GA).

Yes, TIEFE did jump to the side of a fellow GA member, based on the information presented on the GA board.

They see Elm Aran as an issue.

They see the Varo Belle topic as within Kraths sovereignty, but were not necessarily pleased.
They do not know about the tech topic, since they have literally no access to the raw data and can only rely on what
has come over the past few days via GA forums.
They also need to translate all of that to english, so the finer connotations will get lost in your speeches.

On the other side, they do see the membercount Krath plus allies provide to our human resources department in terms
of strategic value, and, I think, despite their own progress in preparations for war, the loss of the characters with
Krath would make them feel more insecure (politically, strategically in an environment vs the Empire). With what was
posted so far this was/is decisive in their above decision, until they are more informed.

GrandAdmiralLordJakeAzzameenofDarian,RogueSquadron
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CrueyaVandron

Re: Current State of Affairs

SatMay20,20171:34pm
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As previously started:

Natalis Oro wrote:

Jake is always my ear for GA matters. Especially when it comes to TIEFE (because I, like you, take things they say in
a very 'english first language' way. He helps alleviate misunderstandings

As far as TR is concerned, a language barrier is not an excuse for TIEFE's insults and combative language.

The inclusion of TIEFE here is a deal breaker for The Resistance.

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JakeAzzameen

Re: Current State of Affairs

SatMay20,20173:58pm
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TIEFEs exclusion will very likely be a deal breaker for RS. But maybe, that is in the Resistence intent. /me tipps hat.

Reviewing replies in a week.

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CrueyaVandron

Re: Current State of Affairs

SatMay20,20174:32pm
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Jake Azzameen wrote:

TIEFEs exclusion will very likely be a deal breaker for RS. But maybe, that is in the Resistence intent. /me tipps
hat.

Reviewing replies in a week.

That is not my intent, and I do not appreciate your speculation and twisting of my words. This is exactly the problem I
alluded to about our discussions in the GA. I even started a thread where we could discuss and address the tensions
between our factions, so that a GA 2.0 could include both factions. However, it seems seems like it isn't going to be
beneficial.

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GandXitwa
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Re: Current State of Affairs

SatMay20,20175:01pm
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*stands up at the table and firmly places his hands on the table*

Damnit now, both of you, that is enough. How in the Corellian Hells is there going to be a change of direction if both
of you, two of the New Republic's staunchest allies, cannot at least discuss matters without side comments or
insinuating assumptions...whether meant for insult or personal satisfactions. Its getting old. Speak honestly, directly,
and with respect even if insofar that you agree to disagree.

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CrueyaVandron

Re: Current State of Affairs

SatMay20,20175:28pm
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Gand Xitwa wrote:

*stands up at the table and firmly places his hands on the table*

Damnit now, both of you, that is enough. How in the Corellian Hells is there going to be a change of direction if
both of you, two of the New Republic's staunchest allies, cannot at least discuss matters without side comments or
insinuating assumptions...whether meant for insult or personal satisfactions. Its getting old. Speak honestly,
directly, and with respect even if insofar that you agree to disagree.

I have attempted to discuss and resolve conflicts here in this subforum, by starting threads to address and mediate
issues. I have attempted to speak honestly, directly, and plainly on these issues in hopes to resolve them. However, at
every turn Jake has continued to engage in the same discourse and discussion that was toxic for GA 1.0. I do not
appreciate my words being twisted or being insulted, under the guise of language barriers. Which is exactly the case
with TIEFE, and is starting to appear to be the case with Rogue Squadron as well.

Again, I'm willing to work through and address these issues, but it appears Rogue Squadron is not. I'm looking to help
craft and form an alliance where there is not just collaboration between NR and another party, but where there is
collaboration and trust between *all* members. At the moment, this does not look like a possibility.

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NatalisOro
MinisterofState

Re: Current State of Affairs

SunMay21,20171:43am
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Crueya Vandron wrote:

As far as TR is concerned, a language barrier is not an excuse for TIEFE's insults and combative language.

I am sad to hear this, Crueya. I am not sure how many languages you know but I can only claim one and a few
salutations etc in others (swear words are my specialty for some reason!). In my experience, I have not learnt another
language because I have found it too difficult, not enough time and not enough motivation (we could, for the sake of
brevity sum up as 'lazy'). So I am always pleased and a little in awe when I come across someone who knows more than
one.

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What I have had experience with, is many friends where English is their second language. I have had the distinct
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I've said when a particular word did not hold the same meaning for them. Their cheeks flame red, they become self
concious and grow quiet until they are assured with good humour, that all is well.. that they are still remarkable and
the conversation can and should continue.

I have noticed often with Blot, that he tries to lighten conversations at times with playful banter (even if it's about
cakes XD). I have equally noticed that there are some subtleties of the english language that he does not know yet.
This gives way to offense being taken towards his words. And I know, because he has often addressed me and I have
had to clarify with Jake as to whether Blot means to insult me.

The point is, he rarely has mean't to. And when he becomes aware he has, he attempts to mend with humour. Perhaps
clarifying in private to Blot first may be the answer here?

Secondly, should you feel the same about Jake? I encourage the same course of action. Clarify in private first. Move
from there

All that any conflict needs is a way to speak constructively with one another. You are both supported by us to do this...
as individuals and as the leaders of your respective groups. You have our trust, you have our respect. Please remember
that forcing us to choose sides so often strains this (please note I used the word 'strain', not endangered .. ie. You
are stressing us out! Stop it! LOL ).

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CrueyaVandron

Re: Current State of Affairs

SunMay21,20173:36am
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As someone who speaks more then one language, I know the difference between struggling to find the right words,
and just being insulting. One would not use the word "idiot" by mistake in the circumstance I which it was used.

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