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Pluto 7th/South Node 6th/ruler 10th cont.


Extreme Masochist and Sadist Soul Types:

In addition to all the previously discussed patterns of this signature, there are
more considerations to keep in mind: The possibilities of the soul that is born is
an extreme masochist or extreme sadist.

If the s/he is an extreme masochist, we would see extremes in the balance of roles
played out as follows. This type would be attracting others into their life that
would naturally play a dominant role in relationships(work, social, and intimate).
He/she would feel a strong need to go out of their way to serve, assist, help, and
carry out the others needs. She/he would also, without thinking, fully share in
the blame and mistakes, and even claim sole responsibility of things that have
nothing to do with their actions. They would receive punishment without
hesitation or protest. The heaviness of the internal guilt and not yet conscious
actions to atone for the guilt are coming out in these distorted ways. This person
has lost perspective on balanced roles in relationships and is allowing heavy
criticism, blame, and abuse to come from their own self and others. Again, this
past unconscious guilt has led to their sense of being unworthy of being treated
better than this. These are clues to tell us that clearly s/he has yet to accept the
mistakes of their karmic past. This extreme masochist type does exactly what
the other expects of them in the face of repeated physical, mental, and emotional
abuse because deep down inside they deserve it. This is unconscious acts of
atonement of unconscious burden of guilt unresolved. Consciously, s/he does not
believe that they even deserve better than repeated abuse. Others(7th pluto) will
be the ones to tell them otherwise, but in these extreme cases, s/he will still go
back to the receiving abuse pattern in atonement. You may here such statements
to friends like, I know, I know, I shouldnt let him/her do that, but they are
partly saying this out of need of friend/other to hear it, but dont fully believe their
own words.
Rad, could we expect in these situations that the soul actually did do something
that is awful- like in past life operating a guillotine(6/10), or assisting with public
executions like lynching or hangings(6th/10)? ..a service (6th) carrying out social
punishment(10th) to others(7th)?

Now, on the flip side to this, is the soul that responds to the guilt with anger. In
this situation, the s/he does not believe that they need to atone for this inner guilt,
yet the guilt is so there. Instead of feeling unworthy, they feel so worthy that any
trigger of being victimized by others opens the gates to this inner anger and rage.
This is the extreme of the sadistic soul type. In their current life/ s/he will sense
this guilt, yet decidedly see their self as worthy of fair treatment. From the
current life perspective, they see no visible reason why THEY should be feeling
guilty. These types are very quick to get angry and frustrated in the face of ANY
blame or accusation coming at them. Statements like I didnt do it or Why you
always blame me? or I dont deserve this shit reveal the underlying attitude.
This anger response coming from extreme guilt within, comes forth as a lashing
out in anger at others-it could be in the workplace(10th), as much as it would be
with friends and family (7th). In this case, we should see the obvious clues of
who/what s/he is talking about to reveal a misplaced response to unresolved
guilt. Also, in this extreme sadist soul type, expect to see threads of projected
blame and guilt coming out with these angry lashing outs at others.

In both cases of extreme masochist and sadist types, wed expect the early
childhood/home life to have extremes of abuse. With the masochist, there would
be an early/initial experience of the burden they are to their parents/family. This
creates right from the start, a sense of guilt for even being born. S/he could
spend years or even the rest of this lifetime making up for being a burden Except
the extreme masochist with this signature to come across as extremely apologetic
for everything(pluto 7th/sn 6th), even just entering your home and basically for
breathing-being alive.
With the extreme sadist type, they respond to this sense of being a burden and
being abused with anger and rage. Childhood would daily carry experiences of
undeservingly being abusively blamed-being a victim.
Rad, is it true that circumstances could be exactly the same with these two
In both cases of extreme masochist and sadist types, wed expect the early
childhood/home life to have extremes of abuse. With the masochist, there would
be an early/initial experience of the burden they are to their parents/family. This
creates right from the start, a sense of guilt for even being born. S/he could
spend years or even the rest of this lifetime making up for being a burden Except
the extreme masochist with this signature to come across as extremely apologetic
for everything(pluto 7th/sn 6th), even just entering your home and basically for
breathing-being alive.
With the extreme sadist type, they respond to this sense of being a burden and
being abused with anger and rage. Childhood would daily carry experiences of
undeservingly being abusively blamed-being a victim.
Rad, is it true that circumstances could be exactly the same with these two
extremes-it is just the souls response that is different?
The sadist type carries so much anger and rage from these early experiences of
being victimized undeservingly that any hint of another beginning to blame them
can trigger this anger. Especially anyone who is perceived in the dominant
authority role (10th) who holds that power and begins to criticize him/her, it would
be met with this anger. This extreme sadistic type would carry strong
judgements (10th/7th square) about appropriate behavior of others and would
react with anger to those in their life who cross this line.

PPP 1st NN 12th NN Ruler 2nd Early 1st Stage Individuated

Rad said: I think it would be a good idea if you created an analysis of this paradigm through the lens of the sadist.

It is possible for our subject to be a sadist as a result of the anger and guilt born out of the conflict of having to conform to society and
deeply resenting it. The imbalance within himself leads to sadistic behaviours such as explosiveness, tyranny and compulsiveness.

The kinds of relationships he would encounter would be defined in terms of control where masochism and sadism are found in the
individuals, and the two combined forming a sadomasochistic relationship. The messages will be around deserving pain, punishment and
crisis. His orientation to relationships is defined in terms of power and powerlessness. He plays the dominant role by being able to
play back the reality of his partner which leads to emotional control and imposing his values, beliefs and nature onto his partner.

His partner plays the inferior role and relies on him for self-validation, while he becomes the god of his partners reality and plays the
superior role. He reduces his partner to nothing and is exhilarated by the emotional distress, and psychological or physical suffering he is
inflicting. He derives pleasure from the power that places his partner below him.

He compulsively overly identifies with the aspect of himself in a normal relationship (7th) in a successful career (10th) that makes
him lots of money (2nd) in order to induce a sense of individuality and meaning. Since he is resisting a relationship of surrender to the
Source, he builds a fantasy (12th) which he totally believes in around the perfect idealised partner (7th). He is trying to play the game
by creating a normal type of relationship in the eyes of his society friends which leads to a tyrannical attitude toward his partner.

He may feel extremely anxious when he perceives his partner is not playing the fantasy role that he has unconsciously created. If his
partner does not behave in the correct way or is not adhering to the routines (6th), rules (10th), and idealized conduct (12th) that he has
set down, he could use cruelty, persecution or judgment for the purpose of establishing dominance in his relationship.

He may humiliate or demean his partner in the presence of others. He may restrict his partners autonomy and control his children (2nd)
unusually harshly. His domination leads to excessive criticism, persecution and judgment of his partners weaknesses which are really a
projection of his own weaknesses.

As part of his fantasy he would desire to make lots of money (2nd). In the early 1st stage individuated evolutionary condition, and in
resisting a relationship to the Source (12th), he completely believes and identifies himself as the resource for making money. He forms
relationships with the right people in the right circles who will further his power and status in the world.

He builds a career (10th) with great discipline, ambition and meticulousness (6th). As he is living beyond his means, and the abundance
does not bring him happiness or emotional security, this fantasy collapses, resulting in the loss of his career. The fantasy did not equal
the reality.

His relationship to the world is to appear and function normally in society yet at home he is the sadist. He attempts to gratify his most
base desires while ignoring or completely suppressing his conscience. He is amused by, or takes pleasure in, the psychological or
physical suffering of others. He could secretly seek out pornography or prostitutes who are his easy victims.
The emotional shock of his relationship ending and his career collapsing lead to an implosion or breakdown which forces him to realize
the basis of his fantasy (12th), to atone for his behaviour, to feel remorse and to enter self-reflection (6th), to re-evaluate his life, where
he was coming from, and for what reasons. The S. Node ruler in the 10th would lead him to accept responsibility for his own actions.
This would then lead to analysis of the causes of the guilt that he is born with and which is compounded in his current life actions.

The antidote to the guilt is symbolized in his 12th N. Node by learning forgiveness of himself and others for shortcomings or failings. The
light of truth illuminates the reality of his life situation and forces him to consider that some other power is operating. His inner
relationship to himself transforms into a new way of relating to himself, to others and to reality. We must remember that one of the
archetypal dynamics within the 6th House is one of critical self analysis because this archetypal dynamic is also linked with another one
within the 6th House called self improvement. In order to improve oneself one must become aware of one's short comings, areas within
us, that need to focused on in order to do something about them in order to improve or 'perfect' oneself. When this is then combined
with the 10th House that archetypal dynamic of judgments then occurs. Judgment itself in natural to consciousness for it's through the
vehicle of judgments that we learn about the nature of anything, of life itself. The issue in not judgments of themselves but the CONTENT
that is being accessed and used for form the basis of judgments. Are the judgments coming from Natural Laws, or are the judgments
coming from man made laws ? So when these archetypes combine we have an individual who is highly critical of themselves through the
inner judgments of themselves. This exiting inner orientation to them self creates it's own inner magnetism or vibration that in turn
serves as the determinant of the types of circumstances, and the people in those circumstances, that reflect this inner relationship to the
person them self.
This then has set in motion a series of lives in which the Soul has created circumstances and people who have appeared to be highly
critical and judgmental of the person which can include the persons own parents, 10th House planetary ruler of the 6th House S.Node,
and all kinds of people in authority as the person becomes and adult. This can of course include situations where their employer, and co-
workers, have also been highly critical of the person's own short comings. As this goes on for a series of lifetimes the Soul then can feel
'victimized' by these circumstances because there is no inner awareness that they them self are responsible for creating these
circumstances. Over a series of lifetimes this creates an accumulated rage and anger now combined with being a victim that, in turn,
causes the Soul to want to 'get back', to get even, to take this inner rage that has been generated by being a victim out on others. This
then creates the sadist.
The rest of your analysis Linda is very, very good. Good for you !

Rad

his all weighs on the relationships as there has been a deep need within this soul
to be as perfect as possible. In an unhealthy way- this soul may feel a lot of
internal anger based on their own perceived inadequacies. They will then create
circumstances in which they are giving to other people not based on a natural
awareness of when to give and when not to give- natural boundaries. Their sharing
patterns may emanate from an inner feeling of guilt of not being good enough.
This tendency will naturally attract partners that want to take from this person-
resulting perhaps in strongly abusive situations where our soul seems all put
together and fine on the outside- goes about doing their job- really well- but
comes home to a relationship that is deeply dishonoring. They may even ASK to be
hurt or dishonored, which would be a distorted form of intimacy: receiving
punishment from the partner as a way to intentionally feel humiliated and berated
for the low life they already think they are.

In the same vain- this soul may project their inner feelings of imperfection onto
their partner. The tendency may be to immediately try to fix the partner via
intense criticism and judgment. This can easily result in violent behavior that
comes from an intense rage. All this ultimately comes from the soul's inner feeling
of lack- of inherently being flawed.

It's very possible that a drinking problem may develop. Alcoholism in this case is
based on the guilt of being a piece of shit. They may be work-a-holics who come
home and drink themselves drunk. The 10th house ruler tells us how socially
aware this soul is. The need to be perfect here is linked to meeting social
standards- which at this evolutionary state are simply not working any more. Any
anger this soul may experience, is actually a reflection of it's near readiness to
break free from the status quo social expectations and radically simplify their life.
It's possible that this soul will work really hard and have an outer appearance of
everything being ok- but cyclicly become so overwhelmed with how much there is
to do, that they obsessively make lists, but get nothing done. They stop brushing
their teeth and neglect simple and obvious responsibilities.

It's very important that this soul realizes that they will never be good enough. As a
result they stop working as hard as they were working, and learn how to find
peace in just being who they are- w/out any distorted need to prove their worth.
This does mean learning how to forgive themselves- and to forgive others- all for
standards- which at this evolutionary state are simply not working any more. Any
anger this soul may experience, is actually a reflection of it's near readiness to
break free from the status quo social expectations and radically simplify their life.
It's possible that this soul will work really hard and have an outer appearance of
everything being ok- but cyclicly become so overwhelmed with how much there is
to do, that they obsessively make lists, but get nothing done. They stop brushing
their teeth and neglect simple and obvious responsibilities.

It's very important that this soul realizes that they will never be good enough. As a
result they stop working as hard as they were working, and learn how to find
peace in just being who they are- w/out any distorted need to prove their worth.
This does mean learning how to forgive themselves- and to forgive others- all for
not being perfect. Coming from the consensus state, they may even be forgiving
God who they mistakenly thought was perfect. Now they realize that literally
nothing is perfect. In that realization an inner feeling of contentment and in fact
perfection in just being who they are arises from within. An inner peace and
satisfaction.

As they evolve, they will attract partners who will not exhibit critical and
judgmental qualities- but rather unconditional acceptance and appreciation. Many
of these partners will be people who have shifted in their own life from intensely
busy, neurotic, ocd, distorted relationship with alcohol, food, with work, hurting
themselves, hurting others etc. The soul's capacity to let go and be in the present
moment, to not give what is not needed, to forgive mistakes of them self and of
others- will bring people of a similar temperament into their life.

It's important to note, as Rad wrote- that these negative qualities are not
necessarily going to manifest in the soul. With these signatures- this soul could be
a humble being truly wishing to help others. Having taken meaningful social roles
that are actually focused on helping others in a way that feels self honoring and
valuable to this soul. This is possible- especially given the grand trine between
both nodal rulers and the south node.

In this case- the same lessons would still apply- forgiving themselves, not
overworking, not giving to others whenever someone asks for a favor. The crisis
that this soul would experience would be a guilt based on having made mistakes/
having not tried hard enough/ having disappointed others. This guilt can be
converted into awareness when they realize that their motivations for helping
others is highly mixed in with an inner need to be as perfect/humble/selfless as
possible. At that point they get to discover that they are always helping people, in
fact just by being who they are- they are an innately humble and helpful soul.
They will only serve/give when it is balanced and appropriate to do so, not when
their unnatural guilt motivates them to do so.

To clarify- are we assuming a skipped step situation here with the planetary ruler
of sn?

In general when you give these examples- are we assuming aspects according to
what is likely given the house placements (in which case nn ruler is inconjunct
nodes, pluto is sextile/trine nodes etc...)?

As I'm working on the current assignment, rereading the pluto 4th chapter and considering it in light of being on the cusp of the spiritual
evolutionary stage, I've specifically been considering at what stage of evolution we know that the soul has already worked on their own
inner security issues?

I'm sensing the answer to this isn't quite linear.

Specific to this assignment, considering the south node 2nd-self reliance piece-with ruler in 11th-casting off of other definitions of who
they are not, combined with the evolutionary stage, am I right to know there has been at least some definite self development around s/
he's own inner emotional security?

Near the end of the pluto 4th chapter, Jeffery wrote: "Generally, about 20% of Fourth House Pluto individuals have made real efforts to
learn these lessons before."

So, to ask it another way, seeing a soul just entering the spiritual state/or about to-being in the 20% of farther evolved souls, is it still
possible that s/he struggles with cycles related to unresolved displaced emotions? Is it more of degrees in which s/he would struggle,
instead of a yes or no?

Many thanks again,


b

It seems that you missed my post asking for permission to participate in this new assignment ... though, Linda sent me a kind message
telling me I could join ... so, here is my try .... thank you so much, and God Bless you all ...

With Pluto being in the 4th House, the Soul is beginning a new cycle of evolution, while a prior cycle is coming to an end. Given that the
ruler of the south node squares the nodal axis, meaning that the individual has been fluctuating back and forth between the archetypes
and experiences indicated by Pluto/SN/planetary ruler and PPP/NN/planetary ruler, the new Pluto evolutionary cycle is symbolized by
Pluto natal position and PPP, ie. 4th and 10th houses: a reformulation of personal self image based on emotional self-care allowing to
assume responsibility for its own actions and establishing personal authority and leadership in the context of society.

Given that this cycle is quite new, these lessons have not been learned yet. What has created the need for this new evolutionary cycle?
The answer would lie, at least partially, in the cycle which is coming to an end. This prior cycle would be reflected in the nodes of the
moon and their rulers; given the square or the SN ruler to the nodal axis, both nodes are symbols of past dynamics and at the same time
symbolize dynamics to be operative in the evolutionary future. In light of the square existing to the nodal axis, we know that lessons
relating to the moons nodes archetypes and their rulers have not been completed and require resolution. Eventually, this situation comes
back from the prior cycle and is brought forward to the new cycle to be resolved. This would also be suggested by the fixed nature of 2nd
and 8th houses archetypes. Further information about the past cycle could be found in other symbols in the chart, not included in this
assignment, such as Pluto sign, the SN of Pluto et al.

We also know that the individual is in the gateway between the individuated natural evolutionary condition and the spiritual evolutionary
condition. This implies that he has been working in defining his own unique sense of self as essentially different from other people, and in
his relation to society: first hiding his true self for security reasons and hence, requiring some disassociation between his private self and
his social persona (first stage individuated); alienating from society and/or fighting against the system in order to change it or destroy
it (second stage individuated); at the current evolutionary gate, ie. completing third stage individuated, he has been working in how to
integrate his uniqueness in society understanding the natural limitations of consensus society: accepting that changes in society and
liberation from compulsive repetition of historical cycles, occur very slowly and cannot be safely accelerated, and that hence, the efforts
for change of society have a value in themselves and at some time under certain conditions involving the efforts of many others, they will
produce their fruits.

Given that the individual is entering the first stage of spiritual condition, he is now deeply reflective about the preceding cycle. Given the
fixed nature of the 2nd and 8th houses, he should now be understanding that changes occur slowly not only in society, but also in
himself, ie, that he himself has been so much conditioned by the past. Considering that the new cycle is symbolized by Pluto in the 4th
house, relative to the NN in the 8th, he is integrating the dimension of emotion and by this means, understanding how he has been
conditioned by the past, ie. attached to the known, even when he attempted to make changes happen to others. Thus, emotional self-
knowledge is now allowing him to develop empathy to others, and, with the ruler of NN in the 9th, a sense of compassion. At the same
time, given the 8th house NN, Pluto position and PPP, a proper sense of limits: this is my stuff, this is theirs, I am responsible for my
part, they are responsible for theirs. Given the square to the nodal axis, this proper sense of limits has not existed all the way through
during the individuated stages.

At the current evolutionary state, the individual has, at least partially, succeeded in linking his own unique resources to relevant social
needs. Partially, also because of the square to the nodes. Hence, he has experienced isolation and alienation in the past (2nd house, 11th
house, 9th house), though not knowing why (Pluto and PPP in 4th and 10th). In addition, he has also undergone or created experiences
of emotional confrontation with others, and/or experiences of betrayal (8th house). His own sense of value and values has been
confronted when integrating with others, this causing further isolation and alienation (SN ruler in 11th relative to 8th house NN). This has
also furthered the necessary learning of self-reliance (2nd house SN) and the courage to stand as a group of one (SN ruler in the 11th).

On the other extreme, he has felt tempted to remain apart from society. As his sense of self-worth has been affected (2nd house), it is
likely that, when attempting to integrate back to society as required to go out of isolation, he has been overly identified with his beliefs
and ideas and has required much positive reception and feedback thereof, hence assuming a righteous teaching position towards others.
Despite the fact he has been progressively actualizing and increasing his knowledge through independent thinking (SN 2nd house, SN
ruler in the 11th, NN ruler in the 9th), his desire for belonging (8th house as connected to 11th house) and his hurt sense of self-worth
(2nd house) have caused mistakes in identifying the proper people with whom to share his ideas. Others may have felt threatened by the
individuals over-investment in his ideas and values. Considering the PPP in the 10th as operating in the modality of the past, the
individual may have even recurred to underhanded means to secure his position or authority in front of others, either sustaining ideas or
values he no longer believed in or accommodating his ideas or values in order to obtain approval.

At the 3rd stage individuated, now he is succeeding in reaching a reasonable balance between self-confidence and ability to trust others
(2nd and 8th houses), through knowing that society as a whole is not homogeneous and thus identifying the right groups to integrate
with (11th house) which could be receptive or willing to share his knowledge and resources, while sharing their knowledge and resources
with him. Relative to the spiritual condition he is now entering, the inconjunct between the SN ruler and Pluto is inducing social humility,
ie. the individual is paying more attention and being more empathic to what others need as a prerequisite for his own need of integration
to be met. The inconjunt between SN and NN ruler in the 9th, which in turn sextiles the SN ruler, is also inducing social humility and
making him more receptive to what others have that they may give him, and he is finding people from which he can also learn (I am
assuming these are 210 inconjuncts, ie. SN ruler not being the Sun; NN ruler not being faster than the moons nodes). Thus, he is
broadening his vision of life.

In this context, he is now required to reformulate his self image and to minimize his external emotional dependency by providing
emotional nurturing to himself, while at the same time understanding how he is responsible for circumstances he creates. This, in turn, is
strengthening his determination to establish his true personal purpose in the context of society.

At the same time, given the progressive spiritualization of his consciousness, he is understanding his nature and his life as related to a
whole which is much larger than society. Reflection is allowing an understanding of limitations implied in beliefs held in the past, and how
they have been conditioned by his own needs, ie. how his needs have determined his values, and his values have determined his beliefs
(2nd house). Thus, he is understanding the difference between beliefs determined by the need to survive in the material plane (2nd
house beliefs) versus natural law of a more holistic nature, operating at Soul level and connected to a much larger whole. Given that
Pluto in the 4th inconjuncts the NN ruler in the 9th, which also inconjuncts the SN (thus forming a yod pattern), he is in the process of
learning how to objectively relate to natural law through a personal relationship with the Source, instead of projecting his own needs
when interpreting belief systems, hence requiring increased humility and/or creation of crisis, while at the same time avoiding to overly
depend on the symbols of transformative power represented by these belief systems, and learning a sense of humour.he EA reasoning
that you used in your analysis was very, very right on. However, much more needs to be added for a complete analysis of this paradigm.
For example, what has constituted the persons sense of emotional security before and why ? And how does that lead to what is to
constitute the persons inner emotional security in this life ? What kind of relationship would we expect with this persons family of origin
in this life, and how did that relationship impact of their emotions ? On their sense of security ? How did it affect the person's inner
relationship to them self ? And what is that inner relationship to them self ? What do they value and why ? What constitutes real meaning
for them ? How does that inner relationship with them self determine the types of relationships they have with others in general ? In
what kind of ways would we expect this individual to interact with the world around him or her from the point of view of the past, and
what is the intent in this life in terms of how to interact with the world ? What kinds of traumas has this Soul created for itself, and why,
prior to this life ? How do those traumas affect his emotional reality, what constitutes security, the relationship he/ she has within them
self, of what is valued, of what isn't valued, and how it affects his/her ability to interact with others ? These are core dynamic in this
paradigm that we need to understand. End of 3rd state individuated
Pluto in 4th
sn second- ruler 11th
nn 8th- ruler 9th.

There have been traumatic experiences in which this soul's unique vision, way of living was rejected. Possibly having been exiled or
excommunicated- triggering an evolutionary process as indicated by the pluto in the 4th- a deep inner feeling of abandonment and loss.

These experiences have lead the soul to develop it's self sufficiency to a very strong degree. In essence, an unaddressed fear of
intimacy- to giving itself over to others and trusting others. This soul has been rejected, perhaps violently so- in ways that have resulted
in a pattern of emotional dissociation and refusal to be vulnerable.

This soul naturally wants to make change and wants other people to be a part of that. There is deep within this soul a desire for
community, and in particular other people whom they can share themselves with that align with their social values. But giving of itself is
naturally a challenge as there is a memory of abandonment. They can fall into periods of intense distrust of other people- deeming others
to be selfish and uncaring, all the while expecting others to give, and not actually giving of them self.
At the same time- the soul will have identified certain people in which there is a strong feeling of safety. These people are not necessarily
aligned with this soul's higher purpose, or social vision. These people aren't necessarily emotionally honest- rather there is simply a
strong degree of stability and security in these relationships. One such relationship may be with the soul's mother. However this reflects
the pattern within this soul to avoid really giving of itself, and becoming vulnerable- facing rejection.

QUESTION: what does the Pluto sextile sn, as well as being the apex of a yod to the nodal rulers indicate about this soul's family of
origin/mother? My understanding is that the family may be exactly as I described above- conducive to familiarity, yet also conducive to
dissociation and not supportive/ or even aware of this soul truly being who they are.

This soul will naturally flip flop between 1: going out on a limb, traveling to new places, meeting new people, connecting to a community,
or a vision that allows for a true spiritual and social evolution to occur and devoting them self to living in community with other people
who are working towards the same vision and 2: fearing the philosophical differences between them self and others to the point of not
seeking new friendships, not going anywhere new- but rather circulating old ways of thinking and social visions- perhaps even being
obsessed with certain ideas, but doing nothing about them.

The experience of flip flopping occurs as this soul gets so overwhelmed with the need to live differently, to have more excitement and
purpose in their life, to un-stagnate their intense stubbornness, isolation and non exposure to the world. Then, they get really excited
and impassioned. They start moving towards other people, towards the unfamiliar, they start sharing their truth and even start finding
other people who are just like them... BUT some sort of trigger keeps on pushing them back to being a frog in the well. This trigger is
anything that bespeaks a possible betrayal and loss. Suddenly the new friend who wants to work together on a project to create
permaculture gardens all over the country either: becomes attached to our soul resulting in a feeling of fear, as intimacy and sharing is
threatening. Or the opposite: the new friend is them self very stubborn and self reliant, resulting in our soul feeling unsafe as they do not
feel they can become dependent on their new friend to always be there and share in their vision.

In another case- this soul may literally be confronted with social groups, organizations etc that are on the one hand very visionary and
enlightened, but on the other hand intensely limited in their spiritual scope of the world. This soul may identify with this group, but then
realize that they them self have a perspective of life that is more holistic. They will then feel alienated and different. They will try to
influence others and speak their truth, but the group will not be interested in making any changes. As a result they will eventually
disconnect from this group and return to the safe, known familiar- which isn't challenging, but also isn't evolutionary.

This soul is evolving via the emotional body. This means that there is a natural process of cyclically breaking free from their
environments of security that are safe and familiar, but not conducive to evolution. This will force the soul to eventually realize that they
have to be vulnerable, they have to risk letting go of their own space and let someone in who can really care for them and who shares in
their vision.

The key here is really to be forming conscious relationships with people and with any symbol that focuses on the evolution of
consciousness. This soul needs to take transformation seriously, and make it a conscious intent in their life. There must be at some point
a developed awareness that it needs to create a container to grow beyond it's limitations of isolation, false dependencies, social
frustration and fear.

The relationships they create will help them foster true objectivity that allows them to become more aware of both understanding and
experiencing in their own way- evolution. It will be their role to help other people see beyond their own limitations, via this soul's
growing ability to identify the blocks to growth. They will become increasingly exposed to new people, new ways of looking at life- to an
expansive perspective of reality that gives them more real security and inner self reliance.

By traveling- either intellectually, via the internet, or through actual travel, they will be able to connect to community of like minded
souls that are working towards the same lessons- to evolve their own consciousness in the context of a community... other soul's who
are developing an awareness of evolution just as they are. They may create a relationship with E.A. In doing so- they will have the
philosophical and visionary framework to work on them self and help others.

The key to all of this is simply their willingness to be vulnerable and challenge their known security. The PPP here is symbolized by
making something of their identity that requires interaction, sharing and the giving of oneself to others and to ideas that are HIGHER
than oneself. These ideas must also be healing tools that allows for the development of an objective/detached consciousness within the
soul.

In being detached and objective this soul is not afraid of other people. They can be who they are and simply see everything from a higher
perspective w/out the interference of their subjective need for security and blind simplicity.I think I am now understanding something
very basic I guess it may be quite obvious while the Pluto position in a cardinal sign indicates that a new cycle is beginning, even if it
is a brand new evolutionary cycle that same Pluto still correlates with the past, ie. Pluto is always connected with the past, even in a
new cycle now in this new cycle the past experiences connected to such area of experience are being brought to focus as the Soul has
needed, as a consequence of prior experiences and dynamics, to now understand these dynamics and learn the lessons thereof for
further growth to occur, for this reason recreating the same type of dynamics and experiences within the frame of the archetype
symbolizing the new cycle

In the current signature Pluto in the 4th demonstrates the need of the individual to integrate emotion and, through learning to relate to
himself on an emotional basis, to create a sense of personal security from within, this leading to a reformulation of self image, ie. the
individual needs to learn to love himself, take care of himself, provide emotional nurturing for himself, and so on this implies that in
the past, the individual was looking for a sense of personal emotional security outside himself, that he failed to relate to himself as an
emotional being, and that hence, he failed to meet his own needs thus being dependent of external reality to feel secure, safe,
nurtured, and so on the need to reformulate his self emotional relatedness and his self-image which occasioned this new evolutionary
cycle indicated by Pluto in the 4th house also demonstrates that, in the past, his emotional needs went unfulfilled, ie. that he did not find
outside the self the care, security and nurturing he was seeking so, he will now recreate such dynamics in order to change his focus
first by choosing parents who do not acknowledge the individuals emotional nature and who do not supply his specific emotional needs,
and/or who deliver a negative feedback upon the individual that potentially damages his emotional body and his self-image this
producing displaced emotions that will condition the type of partners the individual would be attracted to in adult life, which very likely
would be partners who are also negative for the individual in terms of his self-image and/or the emotional nurturing he requires being
either authoritarian, controlling or physically/emotionally and/or sexually abusive partners who would attempt to dominate the emotional
life of the individual and/or very narcissistic partners who expect that the relationship is there only to serve their own emotional needs
and self-image, in either case producing the individuals emotional needs to remain unfulfilled until he begins to consistently look inside
of himself in order to gain perspective as to why this is occurring and thus identifying and supplying his own needs in terms of his own
emotional self-relatedness until that happens the individual would not know what is going on with him on emotional terms and would
be cyclically overwhelmed by strong emotional currents of which he is afraid and that he would rather not face, as he has done in the
past, though, the intensity of these emotional states and tantrums given the new cycle underway would be quite shocking for the
individual and/or to others on cyclic basis, thus enforcing that the necessary conscious attention be paid to the individuals emotions,
feelings and moods

Further, I am now thinking that, just like Pluto is the bottom line of the new cycle it would also be the bottom line to understanding the
prior lives dynamics coming into this life via the nodal axis and the nodes rulers hence, Pluto in the 4th house would be indicating that
the archetypes concerned in the house positions of the nodes have in fact been operated in such a manner that the individual did not
gain sufficient emotional knowledge of course elements of emotional nature existed in the past symbolized by these nodes, though,
they were not understood on a personal emotional basis for instance, I wonder what would it mean if the south node in the 2nd house
were in Cancer? Given that Pluto is now in the 4th house, we could assume that such Cancer SN mode of operation or prior egocentric
structure was not worked through to the extent of producing emotional self-knowledge and emotional self-sufficiency then one could
deduce in such a case, for example, that the individual sense of personal value and values was very dependent on family or family type
associations or considering the NN in the 8th house, relative to the square to the nodal axis, one could assume that intense emotional
confrontations, betrayals, violations of trust occurred in the past, all of these dynamics involving emotional reality, though, the emotional
dimension implied in the attachment or dependence being the causal factor of these type of experiences, was not conscious, or was not
consciously assumed again, I guess this is obvious, because the relation with the past as a function of security based on self-
consistency is emotional by nature, ie. Pluto

.. further, I intuit that, then, the 4th house Pluto archetype is a very critical archetype in the evolutionary journey, given that, when
providing emotional knowledge promoting a transformation of self-image, it is also allowing a modification of the relationship with the
past itself, on an ongoing basis, ie. of how one has been and how one now is defined by the past, moment to moment, ie. allowing this
relationship to evolve given that the 4th house archetype correlates with the ego, Pluto in the 4th house would thus mean that the ego
is now being brought to align with the Soul, via emotion, ie. a created need of re-identifying itself as emotional in nature. Pluto in the 4th
house is creating the awareness of the ego as a reality connected with the Soul, ie. this ego is connected to Soul and this Soul is
connected to an ego. At the same time, emotional self knowledge, emotional self-care, in a last analysis is a means to know God,
because of the link to 12 and 8th houses: emotional self-knowledge (4th house), ego awareness involving emotion as connected to Soul
through the intensity of emotional experience, providing the vehicle that, through evolution, will undergo new transformations in itself, in
order to progressively remove separating limitations for an increasing identification with the Soul and the Source.

In the past this individual has operated alternately through the SN and the NN. The SN required a deep internalization of the individuals
consciousness within himself for an ongoing discovery of his inherent means of self-sustainment or survival, ie. resources and values
associated with said resources

During the consensus stage of development of this individual the sextile between the SN and the 4th Pluto indicates that in order for the
individual to discover his own values and resources from within and/or to link them to the needs, values and resources of others, he
would have needed to rebel against the values of his biological family and against any dependency upon the material resources of his
family relative to the square to the nodal axis formed by the SN ruler, and the inconjunct between this planetary ruler and Pluto, the
sextile indicates that somehow it was easier for the individual to remain dependent on his family values, though implying that conformity
to their dictates and the sense of personal identity imposed by their values was a condition for their support, and that, hence, the
necessary rebellion would produce a crisis affecting the individuals sustainment on a material and emotional basis

very likely the individual would have incarnated over several lifetimes through the same families, in which unconscious memory
associations would have conditioned the emotional relationship with his parents concerning the individuals emotional and material
dependency, his failure to actualize his own unique resources, and his rebellions from the dictates and values of his parents the crisis
associated with self-sustainment would have induced a potential reflection conducing to the necessary efforts for self-sustainment
failure to rebel against family dictates and values, would have produced guilt, and anger belief systems may have contributed to this
guilt patterns ant o the feeling of being unworthy (NN ruler in the 9th house inconjunct SN, inconjunct Pluto) family rejection of his
personal value would have caused displaced emotions that would be projected as expectations of others conforming and confirming his
sense of value and authority the projection of displaced emotions on groups is indicated in the Pluto inconjunct to the SN ruler in the
11th

at some point the individual begun succeeding in breaking his emotional/material dependency on family associations internal and
external confrontations would have questioned his values and motives the NN planetary ruler in the 9th house inconjunct Pluto
suggests that attachment to a belief system or religion promoted these confrontations, inducing guilt and helping to create experiences of
powerlessness

given that this approach implied a metamorphic opportunity for the individual to transform prior limitations, he could have become
dependent on the crisis promoted by these type of thought . the sextile between NN and SN planetary rulers in the 9th and 11th
houses, and the inconjunct of same rulers to Pluto indicates that this possible religious masochism was an operative dynamic in the ways
the individual now sought to integrate in society, linking his own sense of value (perhaps at this stage one would rather say his sense of
non-value) with others needs and resources the inconjuncts between both nodal rulers to Pluto and the aspects they make to the Sun
(inconjunct, square) indicate that his own emotional and material needs went unfulfilled (except his need for atonement, perhaps) so,
he would have created experiences of social rejection, isolation, persecution, victimization the answer to the question why was this
happening would have been found within the belief system (religion), ie. because I deserve pain, suffering, I am essentially worthless,
etc..

over time, the individual would have begun thinking for himself, and to question the beliefs he once had, ie. those of society now
entering the individuated evolutionary condition . He would be in an ongoing rebellion against consensus and in a process of finding out
what he thinks, believes and values and what his value and resources are as a distinct individual at the first stage individuated he may
have been very isolated because of his finding of being or thinking different, and this isolation would have made impossible for the
individual to relate his own abilities to the needs of others, promoting alienation, the crises inducing the questions of what to believe?
and what to do ? as how to link his own values with the values of others perhaps coming to depend on ideas of others such as teachers
or books which represented philosophical, psychological or sociological ways of understanding his situation as individual in relation with
society

later in the second stage he would have also wanted to relate to others with a similar value orientation thus, he would have sought
groups of like-minded individuals also standing apart from the mainstream of society this groups would have a philosophical foundation
or baseline (sextile to the NN ruler) on ideas of humanitarian and/or critical nature about society and would promote societal change
(utopism, socialism, syndicalism, anarchism) relative to the quincunx formed by such facilitator of the SN to the 4th house Pluto,
emotional dependency originated in displaced emotions coming into adult life from early childhood, would exist this means that the
individual would have been be seeking for his family in this groups

... this planetary ruler of the SN is also square to the nodes, this meaning that his need to find value from within conflicted with his group
associations on which he would have turned dependent dependency on these groups as the source of the ideas, beliefs, ways of living,
would have prevented or delayed the actualization of the personal sense of value, and would have lead to new crisis about what to
believe, what to do ... this crises may have involved betrayal, violations of trust (NN in the 8th trine Pluto in the 4th) possibly in the
context of confrontations with larger forces, ie. powers within consensus society, which promoted experiences of powerlessness and
emotional loss this trauma producing isolation and a quite realistic paranoia, and of course, emotional suffering this type of
experience and the crisis in beliefs and personal disillusionment would have lead later on to a reflection about the commonality of ideas,
how different groups and how different individuals in groups acted in relation to once shared beliefs their consistency, honesty, and
also about the reasons why each one acted the way they did this analysis allowing for an increasing objectivity and detachment,
creating the experience of being a group of one also learning the difference between a real friend and acquaintances now entering
the third stage individuated

if born here he would possibly experience non-acknowledgement by parents to induce emotional awareness for resolution of past life
dynamics of emotional dependency he would need to sustain himself based on individuated values and efforts he would need to be
able to link his unique resources with the needs of others in society he would not be afraid of losing his individuality when integrating
if he became emotionally dependent on others, it would be almost sure that the rug would be pulled he may experience emotional
symbolic or real losses of loved friends he should, however, be able to integrate towards others not becoming dependent, being able
to undergo rejection but processing his unresolved or displaced emotions by his own, while sustaining his efforts towards society (PPP in
the 10th, NN in the 8th) and towards building relationships based on trust but without dependency, in which each part is self-sustaining
and self-evolving, ie. allowed to change, having their own well defined sense of individuality and not oriented to promote dependency
these type of relationships would have a cosmological foundation providing perspective on the place of the individuals in connection to
the Cosmos, and the meaning of life in a broader context this ideas would be progressively spiritual given that the SN ruler applies
to the NN, this type of relationships and these belief systems would provide the means for resolution of skipped steps of the SN, NN and
11th house planet because of the displaced emotions he would be tempted to become dependent, though at some point he would
begin to understand the reasons why he needs to remain independent though committed to others

feeling the above reflects at least one possible evolution with those archetypes ... though many variations could exist ...

thank you so much for your feedback and


God Bless,Hi Linda,

Well, I can certainly appreciate the effort you have put into this analysis. But what you have really done Linda in make up a story within
the paradigm that we are focusing on now. There is NO WAY that these symbols to date would be able to arrive at the details you have
presented in the story you have created: i.e. the cord being tied around the baby's neck, etc. You have touched certain archetypal
themes within the story that you have created that are accurate.
What we need to do in these practice charts Linda is to focus on THE ARCHETYPES THEMSELVES such as Gonzalo did, or like Ari did. To
demonstrate within the analysis the interaction of those archetypes that then correlate to the core of where the Soul is at within
themselves and why.
Please consider redoing this analysis in this way, which you have done before.

Rado we need permission to post here? Under the assumption that I think not I am posting a short 'reading' of the information given. I
have done some of the EA homework assignments but it has been awhile & I'm wanting to dust off my EA methods. I thought the SN
was applying to square planet -shows how rusty I am! Anyway, I admit I'm very tired, but have thought of contributing frequently but
never have - if I don't know or just do it, I never will (SN taurus speaking here with ruler retro & squaring it, believe me, I know
procrastination and as a virgo I am willing to be very imperfect to just get it out there!). So, although I'm tired & it's not comprehensive
& I didn't really go into past life possiblities in detail this is still a sincere effort.

Pluto 4th sn 2nd ruler square 11th nn 8th ruler 9th

(notes. Relativity of ego - need for confrontation w/security/insecurity. Voluntary and forced examination of values, needs. If family not
supportive, etc. If it is, then - ? Regardless many lives of not being loved/accepted unconditionally leading to rebelling looking for
family - increasingly this is not satisfactory and the soul is moving toward embracing a larger dynamic - to confront its constant
objectivication, projection of power to see that security is not a dynamic created by an ever-changing ego - etc.)

With Pluto in the 4th house this person would be deeply emotional, sensitive and invested in their self-image for a sense of security and
this, because they are high tuned to their environment, is frequently a direct result of family origins despite many lives of individuation,
they still feel emotionally fragile - given their evolutionary state this issue is reinforced as they recognize that even their hard won
individuality ultimately is also subject to illusion and erosion in the face of larger forces. The interaction within themselves and the
world is paramount - their environment is crucial in that the feedback for their self-image is built. This person would be coming into this
life with many prior lives wherein their sense of who they are was damaged by their environment, especially the family they were born
into. Many lives of having the feedback of being too weird, too different and misunderstood has created a deep sense of lack and self
doubt (point is to question security, its basis and where indeed ones self-image comes from). This person is highly tuned to their
environment and thus when the natal situation is hostile the external feedback is internalized. This person has been learning to access
their fundamental values, meaning in order to sort and separate themselves from others and from environments that are hostile. This
may have caused situations/lives wherein they are hiding out, not participating and becoming too adapted to their safe place. These
situations have collapsed in on themselves as circumstances force them to confront a larger reality and to see themselves within a larger
context. They have been forced to develop a level of objectivity and detachment in order to recognize where they begin and end - where
other judgements are others projections onto to them and what is essentially true within themselves. They will eventually come to
recognize their dependence on others projections/judgements to maintain/define their self-image and as this has become increasingly
unsatisfactory they recognize the depth of their insecurity and that others opinions/judgements etc. and even the circumstances of their
lives do not provide the answers - the foundation is within themselves, considering the evolutionary state this person would begin to
realize the very porous nature of the ego itself - the illusions created from within and allowed to be sustained from further illusions from
without. Within the SN 2nd and its ruler in the 11th these lessons have been repeated over and over to create as sense of frustration -
progress being made only to be plunged back into confusion and feeling capable of being only self-reliant. They have become too
accustomed to their safe place, their self-image and have only accepted external feedback from within certain selective groups or
functions. They have developed an amount of self-reliance and community but, increasingly this only satisfies the known and not what
is beyond even a carefully cultivated image, persona and social context. The NN, ruler and skipped step shows the need to entirely
embrace the unknown via immersion with that which is other.

Within the skipped step they have either been totally emersed in an other whether a person, or ides, philosophy, religion, etc. or
conversely entirely a loner, within a safe zone and even if involved in ideas or projects communally they are were never fully
emotionally engaged. This person has wanted to jump in and merge themselves totally in others as a means of self-image or security -
the soul first needs to establish fully its own inner security. I would suggest that an exacerbation of the issues of self-image have been
reinforced from a possible gender switch creating further confusion.
This skipped step shows that the revelations within themselves via intense relationships of all kinds needs and will be revisited to create
the necessary emotional and psychological adjustment - not just an intellectual one. Within these confrontations via ideas, religion,
philosophy, intense relationships this person is learning the relativity of security, of meaning and of the very foundation of their perceived
needs. The are being prodded to engage, to question, to quest - to test their inner values and core worth within a context outside of
themselves. North node in the eighth has created situations wherein they have seen themselves within a larger context - whether it be
in relationships, ideas, religion, philosophically, but always there is the desire to have the self-image and emotional security be coming
from without, from outside themselves - the feeling of security, if they did not create or have that feeling via projection they would then
totally retreat. They are seeking to understand themselves within a universal context increasingly, - but, until inner security (or the
illusion of security is relinquished on an ego level) is established they cannot be in satisfactory relationships or see their inner meaning
fully reflected in their life. I would add that any lies or distortions based upon illusions and their need for a particular self-image will
explode/implode. The lies theyve used to sustain themselves will be uncovered within relationships and psychological examination.
Ultimately the point is to move, dynamically, outside and beyond the stasis of either/or. To recognize that security is not others
evalutation or opinion/judgement, it is not what you get via relationships, it is not determined by an ever-changing ego but is an
acceptance of phenomenal reality, of time itself and the changes it creates and taking responsibility for ones own needs and desires.
Security would be realized through increasingly becoming aware of that which is beyond ever evaporating desires. This would lead this
person to seek eventually what the source of their consciousness is, what sustains the illusion outside of their ego consciousness. I
would also add that this person would be capable of fully expressing the flower of their individuality, of their ego within a special work or
expression. This would be the best expression of the PPP. Aside from that the need for externalization, objectivications and assuming
responsiblities on many levels - personal and public are required. A real healing could take place by recognizing the place of the
collective, the responsible and ethical within the intense inner focus of the self.
. One aspect I didn't go into is why I felt the NN 8th ruler 9th would correlate to not being truthful - I am mainly seeing that 4th house
Pluto souls can feel victimized and that their neediness may exaggerate/inflate the truth to get what they want - feeling loved or having
sympathy. I think the square planet in the 11th would correlate to projections onto others and projections onto themselves within a
distorted framework. I feel the porous quality of the ego has created problems but the problems themselves are indicative of the
evolutionary state that if confronted would heal the very issues themselves. This relates to the 'relavtivity' of the ego - consciousness,
self-consciousness, ego, soul, Source. The recognition of the role of the ego the relavtivity w/i her own consciousness via have many
lives, different egos, and then ultimately (being on the cusp) at least an inkling of the relative nature of her center of consciousness - ego
or soul, and then, at least intellectually/emotionally if not in reality the soul could have the recognition of the relationship between the
soul and Source. One major issue is the nature of trauma and projections with the square planet 11th being a catalyst, flip/flop between
either 'hiding out' and withdrawing or totally immersing oneself in an 'other' to the point of ego exitinction - which, in one sense, is the
purpose of the evolutionary state - to recognize the 'relativity' of the ego, but to do so with consciousness (one aspect of the 11th
placement) and with coherent values (2nd) and with inner security (4th). I would say that the very structure of their desires is leading to
the inner confrontation with truth (NN 8th, ruler 9th) and this would lead to various relationships that would further these confrontations
to get, eventually, to actual natural reality. These relationships, and inner honesty would be a catalyst into taking proper responsibilty
and direction. Ideally the natural archetypes of both cancer (4th) and capricorn (10th) would be realized - fusing these polarities, within
the duality of 2nd/8th via community, objectivity, healing trauma, becoming conscious, perhpas of past life traumas, as well, and
confronting actual reality versus projections based on lies and insecurity this soul would capable of moving into an inner relationship
wherein their focus of consciousness could turn it's energies to the apparent source of their 'problems' the ego, and within that focus the
ego to it's source, the soul which will eventually beg the question & reality of that source...the Great Spirit.
EA Assignment: Pluto 4th, s.n. 2nd w/ruler 11th & n.n. ruler 9th; just at cusp of entry into spiritual evolutionary stage.

This soul has recently had and is having lifetimes in search of inner emotional security. In efforts to achieve this security through others,
she/he has faced the dissapointment of not actually having their emotional needs met. This experience has thrown them back upon their
self over and over in the development learning to be secure in them self.
Recent efforts to achieve the inner emotional security are seen in a dualistic pattern within this individual that is experienced as the
bottom line matrix of their entire reality experience-day to day, hour by hour, moment by moment. On the one hand, in response to
shock of unfulfilled inner security through another, this person naturally falls back onto thyself as their solo source to achieve what needs
to happen in life. They have determined the essence of their own emotional(and becoming spiritual) values by a continual process of
casting off all definitions of who they are not that have been projected upon them. These projection do not resonate with the essence of
who they are.
Yet, in the process of casting off and shedding the skin of unfit definitions of who they are and what they value, he/she realized that
part of their values included deep sharing experiences with others. S/he felt drawn to, in past lives, belief systems and life philosiphies
that were expereinced through the osmosis of the union with, submergine into the teacher/teachings of the corresponding beliefs and
teachings.
In noticing that the ruler of the south node is in a waning square to the south node, and is in a waxing square to the north node.
Rad, does this tell us that the challenges regarding self metamorphosis are newer and more challenging than defining self values and
knowing of essence of inherit potentials? and that the crisis in consciousness of casting off all that does resonate with essence of the
self (sn ruler waning square to sn 2nd) is an older pattern?
If this is true, we can they know that along the path to defining and redefining the essence of who they really are(leading to greater
inner security), they reached a crossroads symbolized by the waning square of sn ruler to sn. At this crossroads, they had a crisis in
their conscious mind in the continuation of transforming the definition of who they are at the core level and what that means in terms of
emotional security within the self. In response to this crisis of consciousness, they began to then look outside of their self and desired to
merge with sources of power that embodied a wisdom greater than their own. The waxing square of the sn. ruler to the north node, in
light of pluto in the forth, reveals two aspects. While skipping ahead to this experience, a couple things resulted. First, they had not
completed defining exactly who they are and what resonates at a core level. (Skipped step sn ruler to sn.) Without fully realizing their
own essence, they did not realize the source of all their emotional experiences to the point of acheiving emotional security from within
their self. Second, as a result of jumping into these new learning experiences(sn ruler square nn), they experienced a crisis in their
actions. This was not to say that there was intrinsic flaws within the teachings or teacher that they had embraced. Rather, once again,
it goes back to the fact that they were again searching, probably unconciously up until the crisis, for emotional security through another,
in this case a teacher type figure-one who posessed a greater knowledge and percieved self power then they saw them self having. Two
results of skipping ahead depend on whether or not the crisis was internal or external. If internal, the ruler of sn would symbolize the
inner mental awareness that something in the teaching or teacher was not fitting who they were/are. As they were trying on new
teachings they saw that it did not fully fit the defining of who they are/were in that moment. Feeling totally out of balance with an
irrational over-invested emotional energy in their experience with a teacher they chose to cast off the relationship and teaching. The
external crisis would result in the situation where the individual became so invested in the other source for power which = security, that
a confrontation ensued and the infamous rug was pulled out to throw them back on him/her self again. Again, in light of the 4th house
pluto, once the relationship to the teacher became out of balance and there was an over-investment of energy in this person/experience,
this would lead up to an intellectual/spiritual confrontation(evolutionary stage). The confrontation came from the need for the soul to
continue to eliminate obstacles in its way to return to the source.
Based on the evolutionary stage and signature, would we know that the experience of confrontation in this case would more likely to
come from within-in the form of internal itellectual confrontation with self?

So, asking the question What has constituted this persons emotional security before and why? we go back to this duality within the
soul. On one hand, the experience of being ones own source and defining and redefining their self was the path to this emotional
security. And on the other hand, each moment they were/are experiencing an opposite desire to have a metamophosis of self by
merging with a body of knowledge, teaching, way of life that is greater then who they are. Because of the duality of desire, they have
been greatly challenged and experienced repeated crisises in having emotional security before, torn in each moment between two
opposite paths to emotional security. Seeing that both node rulers are inconjunct pluto, we know that there have been many crisis
along the path to achieving what constitutes emotional security. And so, both, moment to moment, would have alternately constituted
emotional security.
And so, in this life, what constitutes their inner emotional security is resolving the issues surrounding pluto polarity point(10th), the
south node and its ruler through the north node and its ruler. So, to put this another way, they will not be able to resolve the issues
surrounding who they are at their essence by detaching and casting off the world around them. Quite opposite, in this life what will
constitute emotional security is finding a body of knowledge and metamorphorisizing their self thru submergion in these teachings. In
this place, they will be able to potentially complete the definition of who they are, what they value, and what emotional and spiritual
resources that they naturally have. In this resolution of the past through continuation on the future path, they will experience emotional
security.
Watch for the family of origin to contain relationships where the individual was not really understood, or at least had the experince of
not fitting in and casting off the ways of life that had been taught from an early age. Within this, family relationships would be
potentially supportive in physical ways, but experienced as not fulfilling the individuals inner emotional and developing spiritual needs.
This early family experience created what we call displaced emotions. The results of not having emotional needs met early on led to
the deep feeling of vulnerability. The individual was left with deep feelings of needing to be nurtured. They lacked a sense of security as
a result. This created a relationship with their self in which they veiwed their self as the only source of security that they could fully
trust. Inside, it was much easier to take care of things alone. Thus, their relationship to self became based on fear and distrust of others
being trusted with fulfilling their needs. Yet, as stated earlier, the felt within, in every moment, their desire to merge with others to
expand the known limits of what they could take care of by them self. So, we see the inner relationship to self existing as a constant
duality of complete self sustaining momentum on one hand and merging and metamorphosis with another learning experience on the
other.
This soul values both the ability to be self sufficient as well as the expanding of self limitations through merging with other teachings/
beliefs. This soul values learning experiences that lead to redefining the essence of who they are. This soul values relationships in which
the other can feel and intuite where they are at. Relationships where the other gives them the freedoms they need, and where the
other is sensitive and accepting to their inherent moody nature. They value all of these things because they will resonate on a deep level
as necasary elements to establishing their own inner security. This soul, based on evolutionary state, will ultimately value relationships
where the other does not allow them to dominate and control the relationship nor create an imbalance of over nuturing/controlling them.
This soul will have realized that these types of relationship dynamics will only lead to further emotional dissapointment. Real meaning for
them, as seen in the northnode 8th and ruler 9th is submerging into a spiritual way of life that completely transforms the definition of
who they are. What they will be learning will resonate at deep core level, and by this they will know that what they are now learning is
the most real in terms of what means anything in life. This embraced knowledge will include tools that the individual learns which help
process and integrate their displaced emotions, which then leads to more inner emotional security. In this sense, the teach would be the
vehicle of the knowledge, the knowing is what will set them free. Hence, real meaning.
Based on this relationship to self, we can see that this person would be forming relationships with others who are also going through or
have come though complete metamorphosis of who they are by embracing a resonant life philosophy/spiritual path. As stated, they will
also gravitate to relationships where there is some emotional understanding of their inner nature. This type of relationship will nurture
this person in the way of allowing, acceptance, and understanding of who they are-which they didnt have earlier in life. And, at the
same time, attracting people who understand the need to go solo sometimes and the acceptance of and freedom to continue to cast off
old, nonfunctional definitions of who they were taught to be.
From the point of view of the past, we would except to see this persons gut instinct to take care of their own business as they do their
thing out in the world. And yet, we would see that they carry with them a desire to find the right other thing that they could merge
with to learn the accomplishment of combined forces in achieving positive change and progress. What is intense is this duality weve
been talking about all along. S/he is torn constantly, in every moment, between staying totally self contained and opening up to sharing
power, and risking the vunerability there in.
Prior to this life, as suggested earlier, this soul has had the repeated trauma of being thrown back onto thyself. This happened in his/
hers early attempts to step out of their own bubble of self security(although not complete). Also, this soul created the trauma of not
being understood by immediate family members-at least having that experience from their own perspective. They had the trauma of
having to live with the emotional wounds of having their deepest emotional needs go unfulfilled. They have also had experienced
traumas of opening up to others emotionally only to feel completely betrayed. On the flip side, they have had the trauma of not
connecting with the cultures they were born into and recreating their own meanings and self values. All of these traumas were created
to bring the soul back to the place of learning to establish and meet their deepest emotional needs by them self.
All of these past life traumas affect their entire emotional body, whether they are by their self or with others. They are emotionally
continually experiencing great extremes of mood and feeling just below the surface of the mask they wear as a result of these traumas.
Because of the traumas, what constitutes security is both deep sense of self knowing and also a very conscious choosing of who to let
into their inner space. For basic functional security reasons, they will only allow a few to really be close to them and know them. What
is valued in relationships then is the real deep connection and knowing and trust that results in a healthy sense of support and nurturing.
This is in the most positive manifestation. The traumas still will affect their ability to interact with others because of the nature of
triggers that can flood them with the pain of the original traumas. Based on the amount of emotional self realization and clearing
and integration of the fragmented parts of their emotional body, we will see an increasing potential to interact with the world in ways that
are truely inspired by belief and have a deepening sense of established participation.
If shadow forms manifest, on some subtle level the individuals actions will swing back and forth from a no trust-Ill just do it myself
approach to desire to manipulate and control the power of others which they come in contact with. Both polarities are rooted in
unconscious displaced emotional needs that have yet to be delt with, which are a byproduct of the traumas of the past.

Thanks for taking time to read. All feedback is greatly appreciated. Realize I have yet to interweave in the pluto polarity point
thoroughly.ontinuing with Pluto in forth: Integration of the Pluto Polarity Point.

In asking the question, What constituted inner emotional security in this souls
past? while keeping in mind that the skipped steps square of south node ruler to
the nodal axis, we can know that experiences that fall within the realm of the 10th
house would be part of what brought a growing sense of inner security in their
karmic past.
In other words, part of what has brought inner emotional security into their
life(past lives and present) has been experiences where s/he was learning to
establish him/her self in the community/culture-to establish her/himself as an
individual and with a personal authority. In their quest to constantly define and
redefine(transform) the essential definition of who they were, they were drawn
into metamorphic relationships that taught them how to use their own power in
the outer culture/community. By being close with specific individuals for specific
periods of time, they were learning via osmosis by being in the others lifestyle.
This other could have been a person or a body of knowledge-in either case they
were learning to define for his/herself, through these experiences, their own
definition of individual established power and authority in culture/community.
In early childhood, we can expect to see this pattern of the pluto polarity point
In other words, part of what has brought inner emotional security into their
life(past lives and present) has been experiences where s/he was learning to
establish him/her self in the community/culture-to establish her/himself as an
individual and with a personal authority. In their quest to constantly define and
redefine(transform) the essential definition of who they were, they were drawn
into metamorphic relationships that taught them how to use their own power in
the outer culture/community. By being close with specific individuals for specific
periods of time, they were learning via osmosis by being in the others lifestyle.
This other could have been a person or a body of knowledge-in either case they
were learning to define for his/herself, through these experiences, their own
definition of individual established power and authority in culture/community.
In early childhood, we can expect to see this pattern of the pluto polarity point
being active show up by learning of specific family from their youth which she/he
learned from the behavior they modeled; behaviour which taught how they
achieved a successful place in the world. This family member, which could have
been one of the parents, caretaker, grandparent, aunt, uncle, family friend, etc.
The common pattern here is that someone was modeling ways to make it in the
world that internally this soul was drawn to/chose to experience for evolutionary
nessecity. As a result of a closer relationship with this family member, they
continued to transform their self definitions thru the learning experiences therein.
This early childhood pattern has most likely been repeating in the past few
lifetimes. We need exact degree aspects to discuss this point further.
What we can say about the above activation of the ppp is that these experiences
would have simultaneously carried the same dynamics discussed previously-about
having displaced emotions from childhood and youth experiences because in his/
her experience of reality, different emotional needs were going unmet and or
unnoticed.
Another point here is that it is possible that the family member that he/she was
in close relationship was modeling abusive use of self power. This sets up the
confrontation met when he/she reaches the point/age where their re-defining of
who they are awakes the realization that this person and their actions do not
resonate at a core level with who they are. The confrontation would symbolized a
cataclysmic evolutionary juncture. For this person to have reached a point of
development to feel internally secure enough to make a choice/values call which
affects their immediate place in the world, via the confrontation and resulting
removal of existing relationship/or conditions their in, to have reached this level of
security is a big deal-it shows growth in their own emotional security to come forth
with their own authority in this way-demonstrating their own power and how they
would use it.
On the flip side of this possibility is that he/she, at a certain karmic juncture,
had not yet felt secure enough in the definition of who they are to exercise their
own personal power in their world. The resulting confrontation with this teacher
figure/family member would be a challenging experience because of the nature of
the forced removal of the relationship.
We can stretch this by using an example of relationship to a body of knowledge.
For example, lets say that in early childhood and youth, s/he has a dominating
parent. The parent controls what they can and can not do a lot. (one possibility of
4th pluto) As s/he grows up, s/he sees how their parent achieves power and
security for the family by being disciplined and knowing how to play the game of
reality. This parent is driven by a specific religion which teaches the ways in which
to play the game. Then, at a certain age, s/he finds a book that teaches another
spiritual path to life. The book and knowledge must be hidden because the
parents disapproval. I will not go on with this example here, but I use it to
demonstrate how we see all these dynamics begin to emerge. In this example,
notice the dynamics surrounding his/her inner emotional security(pluto 4th) and
their definition of their own values(sn. ruler inconjunct pluto) and the specific life
philosophy/teaching/religion/spirituality in which they choose(nn ruler inconjunct
pluto). In both cases, we can begin to see the dynamics that lead into the
evolutionary necessary crises that they have been going thru.
Based on all the above and previous post, what else can we say about the types
of relationships that s/he forms. The intense unions s/he forms is with others who
have also gone thru not only significant transformations of how they define their
selves; also have had self metamorphosis via powerful emotional/spiritual
confrontations around people in their life who, like our soul example, have also
experienced both issues surrounding both 4th house and 10th house affairs. Their
relationships will reflect that what the other has learned thru saturation into their
life experiences will reflect an approach to life that contains teachings of how to
use individual power and establish personal authority in the world.
Moving on, from the past karmic point of view, we can shed some more light on
the internal struggle of this person. How do they integrate their own definition of
who they are at a core level while going thru a metamorphosis via what they are
Based on all the above and previous post, what else can we say about the types
of relationships that s/he forms. The intense unions s/he forms is with others who
have also gone thru not only significant transformations of how they define their
selves; also have had self metamorphosis via powerful emotional/spiritual
confrontations around people in their life who, like our soul example, have also
experienced both issues surrounding both 4th house and 10th house affairs. Their
relationships will reflect that what the other has learned thru saturation into their
life experiences will reflect an approach to life that contains teachings of how to
use individual power and establish personal authority in the world.
Moving on, from the past karmic point of view, we can shed some more light on
the internal struggle of this person. How do they integrate their own definition of
who they are at a core level while going thru a metamorphosis via what they are
learning by being submerged in anothers life philosophy/path? Well, the answer
is through the north node, with its ruler facilitating this. So, having said this: A-
what is going to be thier instinctual action and B-what will be the integrating
path?
First, in the case of A, they are torn between simply pulling their own weight and
going back to learning thru their experience of sharing the process. So, we would
see them doing both all the time.(or at least know at all times both of these
desires exist) Now, in the case of B-what to do, or what, should we as counselors
suggest as a path to walk? we should keep in mind from Pluto book One, Jeffery
Wolf Green writes: When Pluto applies to the north node, then the polarity point
of Pluto and the south node with its planetary ruler, must be integrated thru the
north node with its ruling planet facilitating the process. In this case, it is the
ruler of the south node applying to the north node. Yet, basically, the past karma
can only a resolved, meaning that s/he will achieve inner emotional security by
this soul sharing on deep levels because they are learning from this about how
they define their self, their values, their personal resources-all this needs to be
shared by putting it in context of over-arching life perspective/philosophy/spiritual
teaching. It is through this experience that s/he will evolve into both being
emotionally secure with and learning to establish their self as an individual as part
of society and use their power there-in.
Going back to the repeated past karmic experience of being thrown back upon
their self, their establishing and using their own power out in the world can be
added to the list of catalysts that triggered these past life crises. I will not restate
all the other possible dynamics of this particular forth house pluto that also could
have led to the crises, but wanted to acknowledge that there are certainly
evolutionary catylists that stem from both, the archetype of plutos house(4th) and
polarity point (10).

So, we have established that this soul has already made efforts to establish their
self out in the world. We see that how they define this personal use of power is
transforming thru time. At this evolutionary stage, it is important for them to
continue to learn from a spiritual teaching, via a submergion in this path, to
success in achieving the self definition of their own values that will lead to the
inner emotional security that will truely support them in establishing who they are
becoming and their new found place in community/society.

Thanks for taking the time to read. All feedback is welcome.


And, Rad, my question from my previous post-have we specifically missed an
important dynamic of this signature, or any noticeable subtle interpretation
variation therein which would be worth noting?

Very, very good work. The only two things that I feel we have not discussed, mentioned, analyzed, to the point that it should have been
is the nature and affects of prior life traumas. Typically, in the paradigm that we have been working with , such a Soul will literally be
born with PTSD from birth. And when a Soul is born like that it is very, very important to understand the affects of the PTSD on the
current life behavior and why, and how that, of itself, can continue to undermine or impede the ongoing evolution of the Soul. And within
such a discussion of how to work with not only this Soul, but any Soul, that is born with unresolved traumas that cause the PTSD at birth.
Beyond this all who have participated in working with this paradigm have done remarkably well.
The other thing is the issue of this Soul's sexuality. When we have the Nodal Axis in the 2nd/ 8th the issue of sexuality is a very
powerful issue. In the paradigm with have been working with, given the 4th House Pluto, the ruler of the S.Node squaring both Nodes,
this issue of sexuality becomes even more important to understand especially given the issue of a recent gender switch: 4th House Pluto.
How common would we see, keeping in mind gender switch(4th pluto) and the 2nd/8th nodes both active in past lives, past and present
same sex sexual experiences?
Besides the common, if not repressed, feeling of being a woman in a man's body or visa versa, would this be a common signature of
trans-gender and or sex changes and/or gender identity switching?
Keeping in mind the nodal rulers here(11th and 9th) are we also to see these sexual experiences, both with self and others, to be a soul
searching to define what they value and identify with at core levels in terms of their own sexuality?
How common would we see, keeping in mind gender switch(4th pluto) and the 2nd/8th nodes both active in past lives, past and present
same sex sexual experiences?

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In this signature, relative to the Soul's evolutionary stage, there would be an intense rebellion, S.Node ruler in the 11th,
against the social/ societal consensus of how traditional gender is defined: the 10 th House Pluto polarity. This kind of Soul
would know WHAT THEY ARE NOT. And that means not a traditional male or female. The 11th House ruler of the S.Node
would want to naturally experiment with 'different' forms and ways of being sexual. Because of the recent gender switch
there would be a natural attraction to the gender they have just come from whether it was male or female. As a result, it
would be 'common' in this signature for the Soul to have bisexual inclinations and desires. Bisexuality, of itself, is and 11th
House, Uranus, and Aquarius archetype.
Within this dynamic the Soul has had, and will have, an unpredictable sexual need or rhythm. This is seen via the S.Node
ruler being in the 11th. Thus cycles of intense need, N.Node in the 8th, cycles of no need because the sexual energy will
have seemed to evaporate, this is the S.Node ruler in the 11th, and and unpredictable sexual need as a result. This can and
has created confrontation with partners in other lives who have had their sexual/ emotional needs go unmet because this
Soul has had these cycles where the sexual energy has simply been 'detached' from: evaporated. In turn this has caused
such partners them to project upon this Soul all kinds of psychological 'stuff' on this Soul which, of itself, has been
wounding and can and has caused the the Soul to retreat even further from such partners.
Within this the Soul has had, and will have, a strong masturbatory orientation: the S.Node in the 2nd. Even in the context
of a relationship this Soul would still have the desire and need to masturbate. And this of course has and can create
problems with insecure, 4th House Pluto, N.Node in the 8th, partners. Males who have this signature can have a kind of
worship of the phallus. Females can have a kind of worship of the vagina. The worship part comes from the sense of
'power' that these sexual organs contain and symbolize. Accordingly, at this stage of evolution, it can lend itself to having
bisexual attractions.
And because of unresolved traumas over many recent lifetimes, this leading to PTSD, there is a fracturing within the Soul
that can not fully engage life itself. It is detached from within itself because of. These kind of Soul would typically speak
about itself in a detached or objective way: in the third person. As if their life was a movie that they are watching.
Sexually, this will translate into needing various forms of intense sexuality so as to feel engaged in the sexual act whether
that is different forms of masturbation, and/ or in relationship with another.

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Besides the common, if not repressed, feeling of being a woman in a man's body or visa versa, would this be a common signature of
trans-gender and or sex changes and/or gender identity switching?
Keeping in mind the nodal rulers here(11th and 9th) are we also to see these sexual experiences, both with self and others, to be a soul
searching to define what they value and identify with at core levels in terms of their own sexuality?

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It is not common for this signature to seek out sex change operations in order to revert back to their former sex. This
can happen in a very small percentage of those with this signature and will only occur when such a Soul feels that there is
something left over from the prior sex that was not yet finished. It is common for these Souls, at this stage of evolution, to
feel trans-gendered, bisexual, and androgynous.

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thanks,
bradleyluto in the 8th
South node in the 5th, ruler in the 3rd
North node in the 11th, ruler in the 7th.

Aspects: Pluto primary square to the south node


Grand trine between North node, south node ruler, and north node ruler
South node sextile both rulers.
Pluto inconjunct south node ruler, north node ruler

Third stage individuated.

In previous life times, this soul has been seeking to transform itself beyond any attachments and dynamics that have blocked the soul
(Pluto in the 8th). The desire has been to awaken to a sense of security that is not contingent on outside circumstances, but comes from
within (Pluto polairty in the second).

There was a time in which this soul was a writer, or communicator of some sort. The idea here is their mind (3rd house) has been the
primary tool through which they were able to express themselves (5th house) in a way that was encouraged and validated by others, and
inspiring (5th house). The intent has been to grasp some core ideas around how life operates (8th house), and put them into words. The
skilfullness in this soul is their natural ability to perceive (3rd house) the underlying dynamics of life around them (pluto in the 8th) and
express it in creative ways (5th house).

Question: can you help me understand more about how the inconjucnt between pluto and the nodal rulers would have manifested in
previous lifetimes?

However there have been powerful experiences through which the self esteem of this soul has been greatly effected, resulting in a great
fear of being seen, and a lack of confidence in their creative worth (Pluto squaring sn in 5th). They were persecuted, killed, attacked,
blocked, horridly manipulated (8th house key words), for expressing themselves (5th house). It has resulted in a pattern of dissociating
from being who they are- to close their heart and not share their gifts (Pluto square 5th house south node).

They have developed a strong degree of self consciousness around who they are. Inwardly needing great approval, yet fearing rejection.
This inner reality has created a distorted dynamic in which they attract partners, and other people whom will admire them. They will tend
to use whatever tool belt of social skills they have (3rd house) as a way to manipulate their environments and get attention (5th house
Pluto square). The way that looks will vary greatly- if we're looking at a pisces sn then they will not even notice their need for attention,
though be seeking it all the time and tend to resentfully feel like they are always focused on other people. If we are looking at the south
node in Capricorn, then this soul will want others to see their solidity and be constantly trying to portray the image (5th house) of being
masterful and capable (Capricorn).

Their relationship with the father will be very revealing. Most likely a situation of sexual abuse (pluto). or intense psychological
manipulation in which the father only shared love on certain ego centric contingencies.

Gaining affection from others is very important for this soul. However what they truly have to work on is opening up their own heart.
Their need to be loved and validated has lead to a dynamic in which they are outwardly detached and comfortable with who they are
(11th house north node), but inwardly deeply hurt and unresolved. In order to stop finding co-vert ways to feel special (5th house), they
have the opportunity in this life to actually give birth to something that can in fact only come through them.

This may happen via having children- or writing a book. Anything that puts them in the special role as creator. By having actually
BIRTHED something, they then have the ability to reflect on their special nature as creator, and in so doing reclaim their original sense of
power.

Once that is done, they then have the opportunity to be truly detached from their creation, as the need to prove their specialness is no
longer present. Ultimately, they will find themselves a part of a community of people, or a shared social purpose with others, who don't
just apprecaite who they are, but also share the same values. This soul can simply be present in this community and know that it has
something special to contribute. Finally, building healthy, balanced relationships will be possible. This soul will develop a more brilliant,
objective capacity to see people for who they are, and write about it (11th house north node, trining 7th house ruler which is trine south
node ruler in 3rd both INCONJUNCT pluto). The inconjunct to Pluto, to me implies, that they have an inward push in this life to do lots of
research and interviews (3rd and 7th) and explore other people (7th) in order to understand the underlying dynamics behind human
motivation (pluto in the 8th). They may do studies about mutli cultural manifestations of sexual abuse etc.

Their ability to develop a strong capacity for this communication (inconjunction between pluto and rulers) is contingent on their constant
need to in fact look into themselves (pluto in the 8th) and notice their own emotional responses to other people (7th house) and to other
information (third house).

This soul also has the ability to become a counselor that has a very sharp and penetrating ability to understand the psychological bottom
life behind a person's reality.

The Pluto polarity here is activated through their complete sharing of themselves in the context of making a collective change- i.e no
more unresolved issues of needing to focus exclusively on themselves all the time. They then feel the inner space to internalize their own
process and stop manipulating their environment to feel special.

At some point, can we look into possibly health issues that may come up for this soul? I dont know enough to talk about it- but I would
love to hear what others may known first place, I would really like to thank you for your time and your work, and for the chance provide
here to practice, and further, to gain in self-knowledge though these analyses ... Thank you Rad ...

So here is my try ...

Pluto is in the 8th House / SN in the 5th House. Planetary ruler in the 3rd House / NN in the 11th house. Planetary ruler in the 7th
House / Third stage consensus.

As an individual in the third stage consensus he would have learnt how the system works. Given the instant signature, it seems likely
that he would be attached to power at a societal level, based on the knowledge gained about the inner workings of society. He would be
dependent of his knowledge as a symbol of power in order to gain more power and to be acknowledged as special because of his power
(Pluto in the 8th House, SN in the 5th House, SN ruler in the 3rd house). He would have some kind of psychological/sociological
knowledge of general application, that very likely would be some form of the usual mixture of behaviourism, cognitivism and systems
theory as taught in most schools of psychology, ie. doctrines designed to make humans similar to rats. Based on this knowledge, the
individual would not only feel capable of understanding how society operates and how socialized individuals operate from the point of
view of society, but would also fee able to manipulate others to get them doing what he wants (Pluto 8th House, NN in the 11th, NN ruler
in the 7th, and the Grand Trine between NN, and SN/NN rulers, the kite formation ).

It would be very easy for him to do so, and his knowledge, hypothesis and predictions would be mostly confirmed from the point of view
of consensus society, ie. the market and politics-the point of view of the big numbers. Given that he would be so attached to his special
abilities and knowledge, he would be most attracted to positions in society allowing him to exert his power. Hence, it would not be
uncommon that an individual with this signature gravitated towards positions of political and/or economical power and leadership within
his society and/or global market society. With this signature and given his evolutionary condition, all doors would be open for him.

He would be very busy with his business and he would be all the time surrounded by people serving his purposes, dependent on him, and
who would revolve around him like well designed automats, though incapable to do anything contradicting his dictates and wishes;
except perhaps telling him from time to time what else he could do to gain more power, money and recognition. He would then deal
mostly with two types of people: subservient people on the one hand and fierce competitors on the other. He would have heavy
confrontations with these competitors in the business or political arenas.

He would be very engaged in these dynamics for having his sense of power and purpose confirmed. He would be a slave of his own
created personae, though a slave having power over many other slaves (Pluto 8th, NN 11th). At some point in the long run he would
become tired of his self-appointed role. It is possible that he would begin to see how people in his life are only playing back to him his
own designed reality. He would not know whom to trust, as he would suspect of people around him or working for him. With this
signature and given the style of the world where this individual plays his game, his suspicions would be well grounded: some of the
people around him would be in reality working for his competitors, or ready to do so, by delivering information about this individuals
projects or the so (SN in the 5th, SN ruler in the 3rd trine NN ruler in the 7th). He would thus experience betrayal. At some point he
would become able to see himself as a conditioned being, just as dependent on his role as others are upon himself (NN in the 11th). At
some point he would begin having insights allowing a wider and more detached perspective on these dynamics. Given his desire for ego
recognition, he would become dissatisfied of being acknowledged as special only by dependent types of people, and he may attract some
others who are not dependent on him and who would seem rarer or more special than him.

It also possible that his own system of knowledge would become more conscious. In other words, he may at some point become aware of
the premises involved therein, ie. that under certain conditions which can be manipulated human beings react to determined stimuli in
very predictable ways. He could thus become aware of how he himself has been conditioned by the system. Such awareness would in
the long run induce a crisis or at least a cognitive dissonance (inconjunct between Pluto and SN ruler): he would not want to depend on a
form of knowledge that defines him as a manipulated rat, always ready to fight for more cheese. He would discover a contradiction
between his sense of specialness and his dependency on his role, and further, between his sense of specialness and the definition that his
rational thought creates for himself, if seen more objectively. He would then attempt to liberate himself of this conditioning and to
operate in a more detached way. He would be betrayed for leaving his defensive position, and he would find it difficult to link his own
values to the needs of the system. He would begin receiving other types of feedback, of a more objective nature, because he would now
be having relationships of a more personal nature. Now he would find that, for some reason, not everybody around him receives him with
a smile. He would begin hearing things about himself which he may not like; he would be criticized for his values (NN ruler inconjunct
PPP).
He would then feel threatened by others and tempted to slide back into defensiveness and power. He would face a dilemma between
going back to old patterns to try to secure his position and to become self-reliant. Some of the people he would now attract would
deliver messages having the effect of humiliating him, and/or making him feel guilty for his attachment to power. He would then want to
isolate himself to avoid this type of feedback, though he would begin feeling lonely, powerless and meaningless, as a long process is still
underway before he finds how to link his own individual nature to others in society. Of course, he could still rely on his material wealth,
though, from the point of view of a series of lifetimes, he would not always have had that wealth. In fact, he would have experienced
prior lifetimes in which he did not have the material resources needed to survive and in which he was just one among many others
depending solely on his work being paid, which were also lifetimes in which he lacked ability to cooperate with others for his or theirs
survival needs to be met (the square between PPP and the nodes, the inconjunct with NN ruler). Thus, he would have subconscious
memories associated with experiences of not having enough to survive, which have later induced his desire to improve his position
through education (semisextile between PPP and SN ruler).

Recovery of skipped steps (Pluto square the nodes) would require him to try to create his own reality in a new, more individuated way.
Ideally, he would use his knowledge of the system workings to create something new that truly reflects his individuated nature. To do so,
however, the individual would first need to transit from consensus third stage to individuated third stage. At the point where he now
stands, ie. third stage consensus, he would first need to consciously acknowledge before himself that he is different from most others,
that he has emotional needs that have gone unfulfilled and that the type of reality he has created in the past, has not provided him the
security he was seeking, nor the satisfaction he expected. He would then begin relating to himself in a new way, in order to become his
own source of security. He would begin to value other people helping him to get to know himself better, and to attempt to create a way
of life reflecting who he really is. He would begin to feel that others are as important and special as him. This would induce further crisis
as it would be necessary to change his emotional patterns of dependency, though in the long run the individual would begin to value and
desire this changes, as he would gain in freedom and self-knowledge. He would also gain in intimacy, as he would be able to relate to
others who are with him because they want to be with him and not because he controls them or because of being dependent on him.
Exceptional analysis. All of it would be true. However, one of the core, ongoing, lessons of this Soul as reflected in the N.Node in the
11th, ruler in the 7th, the Pluto square to the Nodes, is to evolve beyond an orientation to him/herself and all the egocentric power that
you have rightly identified, to actualizing a creative role in which the Soul in defined by helping others. A social role that would benefit
others, society, in very meaningful ways in which he would learn to 'hear', the 7th House, others and their needs as they actually exit for
these others: opposed to giving to others what the Soul 'thinks' they need according to it's own subjective reality. Giving instead of
taking. In essence, the Soul is learning to be an equal among others, not a 'Zarathustra' type in which the Soul not only considers itself
as something special and more important as compared to others, and others then expected to server him as you pointed out, but an
EQUAL AMONG OTHERS. And this would be true in his/her intimate relationships as well.

Pluto 8th SN 5th SN Ruler 3rd

Core orientation
The 8th house Pluto soul having
experienced many metamorphoses over
many lifetimes, possesses deep
knowledge as to his own motivations,
desires and patterns. He could be called
a natural psychologist (8th). He
understands himself, and so is able to
extend his influence over others in his
environment (3rd). Because he holds so
much power over overs, he is able to
unconsciously manipulate them (8th).
This manipulation is carried out mainly
through his communications, a
superstructure of ideas, and compulsive
talking (3rd). In his obsession for power
(8th), he has been developing his
mental powers and intellectual abilities
(3rd) in order to create his special
destiny (5th) to effect achievement in
the world (3rd consensus) and to secure
intellectual and emotional security (3rd).

He has learned how society works, and


he is able to absorb the powerful
symbols of community, society and
country that he belongs to (3rd
consensus). Even though he is aware of
the relativity of moralities, values,
(3rd) in order to create his special
destiny (5th) to effect achievement in
the world (3rd consensus) and to secure
intellectual and emotional security (3rd).

He has learned how society works, and


he is able to absorb the powerful
symbols of community, society and
country that he belongs to (3rd
consensus). Even though he is aware of
the relativity of moralities, values,
religions, reflected in other countries
and cultures, his attitude of we are
right, and they are wrong (consensus)
predominates. Declarations of
nationalism and consensus opinions are
expressed bombastically (5th),
garrulously (3rd) and proudly (5th).

Special destiny and creativity


He senses a special purpose (5th) in the
depths of his soul (8th) to be shaped
through the strength of his own will
(5th). In the past this special purpose
has been actualized through the
collection of a broad range of
information, facts and data (3rd) limited
to the herd stage (consensus). He is
able to increase his understanding, seek
out bottom line principles (8th), make
connections to his physical environment
(3rd), and communicate his knowledge
to others (3rd). The universe revolves
around his need for power and glory.
Through his egocentric focus and deep
knowledge he is able to actualize his
creative essence. The evolutionary
theme and necessity is creativity (5th)
expressed through his unique and
special capabilities in communication
(3rd).

Communication
He has the ability to enthral and capture
his audience (3rd) in an almost hypnotic
way (8th) as he draws others to him.
He would probably make a great
salesperson to achieve his special
purpose (5th) through his own efforts,
with the steely determination to succeed
(8th), charm and warmth (5th) and the
silver tongue (3rd) to seize attention,
enchant, beguile and captivate.

Power and Pyramid Structure


He has created a pyramid structure and
placed himself at the very top (5th). He
knows how much power he possesses
(8th) for he knows who he is, what he
knows (3rd), and how he has interpreted
himself and life in general (consensus).
This fixed unconscious soul pattern is a
direct result of previous security
patterns born of the last metamorphic
event (8th). He has a desire to create
(5th) a position of leadership in the
upper strata of society (3rd consensus)
through what he knows and has
experienced (3rd). His need to assert
his powerful will, strength and
specialness (5th) over others can result
(8th) for he knows who he is, what he
knows (3rd), and how he has interpreted
himself and life in general (consensus).
This fixed unconscious soul pattern is a
direct result of previous security
patterns born of the last metamorphic
event (8th). He has a desire to create
(5th) a position of leadership in the
upper strata of society (3rd consensus)
through what he knows and has
experienced (3rd). His need to assert
his powerful will, strength and
specialness (5th) over others can result
in controlling others lives, children
(5th), siblings (3rd), lovers (5th) in
varying degrees of compulsion and
intensity. He is also aware of his own
powerlessness, what he has not yet
achieved in this level (consensus), what
he yet does not know and has not
experienced (3rd), and this is expressed
in the desire to get ahead (consensus)
and fuels the ongoing evolution of his
Soul (8th).

Merging with Symbols of Power


Evolutionary necessity demands he
merge with sources of power, such as
great material abundance (consensus),
creative self-expression that brings him
love and attention (5th), a mass of
knowledge, opinions, ideas and
information (3rd) that would further his
goals relative to his karmic condition
(consensus): communication (all
means), information, inquiry, language,
literature, broadcasting, writing. He
gravitates to the consensus ideas and
opinions.

He unites with powerful symbols on all


levels as he strives for positions of social
importance, power, prestige, material
abundance, political power, and business
success (3rd consensus). Symbols of
transformative power would be
creativity, ideas, money, wealth, status,
possessions, and social power. The
intense drive to actualize these desires
takes place via his own creative ideas
(5th, 3rd) and his observation of the
methods prevalent in his society. He is
able to come up with new creative ideas
from within that can bring success,
social and financial powerand so he
sits comfortably within the centre of his
own universe, at the top of his pyramid
structure of reality. He totally identifies
with these powerful symbols (8th)
because of the emotional and intellectual
security they bring him.

Sex and Relationships


Since he has a compulsive need for love,
attention and flattery (5th) he restlessly
seeks continual involvement with others
(3rd). He is able to penetrate to the
core of others in order to understand
more about them (8th). He has a
compulsive evolutionary need for sex
(8th, 5th) and most of these liaisons are
of a temporary nature (3rd). These acts
security they bring him.

Sex and Relationships


Since he has a compulsive need for love,
attention and flattery (5th) he restlessly
seeks continual involvement with others
(3rd). He is able to penetrate to the
core of others in order to understand
more about them (8th). He has a
compulsive evolutionary need for sex
(8th, 5th) and most of these liaisons are
of a temporary nature (3rd). These acts
describe the metamorphosis of his
personal limitations through the sexual
act. He would desire to merge (8th)
with powerful others who are
transformative symbols in his life and
who symbolize something he desires, or
does not have, or a perceived need that
is not being met (8th). The powerful
others whom he would be attracted to
would hold social importance, sexual
power, prestige, status, material
abundance, powerful positions in politics
and business (consensus). Other
symbols are powerful forms of self-
expression, creativity, communication,
knowledge and ideas. Others could also
look to him as the transformative
symbol in their lives. In an effort to
secure love, attention and admiration
from others, he could use his sexual
charisma (8th), charm, magnanimity,
sunny disposition (5th), and convincing
and enticing communications (3rd) to
charm his victims into bed.

These casual relationships would be


characterised by compulsion (8th); the
need to process himself through the
release of emotional/mental energy
(3rd); and the use of manipulative
tactics so as to have his physical and
emotional desires met (8th). Once these
needs are met, he usually has no further
use for the relationship (8th). Deep in
his soul he is learning to choose a
partner who will resonate with him
(8th). He could use sex to get what he
needs from the environment (3rd), and
in this way he could attract past life
connections where one or both have
unconscious memories of being used,
controlled and then abandoned (8th).
Either way, the confrontations can
result in irrational, retributive behaviour
(8th), heated arguments (3rd), and the
toppling of his reality structure (5th).

Control
Through a natural magnetism (8th) he is
able to attract others who can help him
in his quest for achievement
(consensus). He can quite easily hold
power over others (8th) because they
tend to give their power away. He is
able to manipulate others by focussing
on the weakest area within them so as
to manipulate and control them (8th).
He also has the ability to focus on the
weakest possible link in any expression
Control
Through a natural magnetism (8th) he is
able to attract others who can help him
in his quest for achievement
(consensus). He can quite easily hold
power over others (8th) because they
tend to give their power away. He is
able to manipulate others by focussing
on the weakest area within them so as
to manipulate and control them (8th).
He also has the ability to focus on the
weakest possible link in any expression
or form of knowledge (3rd). He has a
subconscious fear of having his own
power undermined by another point of
view (3rd), or by another person who
challenges him (5th) in a competitive bid
to achieve power in some consensus
type way. He would feel intensely
threatened by the power and creativity
of others (5th) and could become
vindictive (8th), defensive, pushy, loud,
verbal (3rd) when others were given
attention for their accomplishments, or
who managed to better him in some
way.

Confrontation
The function of confrontation serves to
produce inner psychoanalysis, and to
discover the behavioural patterns that
control his life (8th). Karmic problem:
he considers himself as the source of
his own creativity, or overly identifies
with the creative principle from an
egocentric point of view (5th)and so he
will draw negative feedback, blocks,
conditions or confrontations to bring him
down to size. Ego blows from the
environment (3rd) pop his balloon of
self-inflation (5th) and result in
transformation (8th). Another problem:
new information directly undermines
the existing intellectual foundation and
results in emotional problems and
intellectual implosions. He may show
great resistance in changing his opinions
(5th/8th fixed). Confrontation will occur
until he is able to consider others points
of view.

His Pluto 8th squares the Nodal Axis and


therefore he has skipped some steps in
the past. These steps will be recovered
through the resolution node, the 5th.
Until then, he will seesaw back and
forth over the nodes 5th/11th until he
understands what was missed, and
learns to develop and express what was
missed in his life.

~~~

(To be continued.PP 2nd, NN 11th,


NN Ruler 7th)Pluto 8th, south node 5th
w/ruler 3rd, n.n. 11th w/ruler 7th; 3rd
Stage Consensus

Bottom line, this soul has been seeking


symbols of power to merge and unite
with to expand upon the pre-existing
limits of self power. This soul is and
missed in his life.

~~~

(To be continued.PP 2nd, NN 11th,


NN Ruler 7th)Pluto 8th, south node 5th
w/ruler 3rd, n.n. 11th w/ruler 7th; 3rd
Stage Consensus

Bottom line, this soul has been seeking


symbols of power to merge and unite
with to expand upon the pre-existing
limits of self power. This soul is and
has been simultaneously attracted and
repulsed by both of the following paths
to metamorphosing the limits of their
self. One path has been a compulsive
need to merge with something greater
to strictly serve as vehicle for attention,
higher status, more ego power to
creatively express his/her own ideas and
opinions. The other path, quite the
opposite, has been merging with
something greater than self to become
an objective viewer of their egocentric
self, to realize a social place for their
creative purpose.
Both polarities have brought great
challenge to this soul in past lives as
well as this one. First of all, part of
them needs unending praise and
attention for their inherent
specialness(sn5). How they would be
achieving this is through a developed
ability to converse, talk, go on and on
expressing their own ideas and opinions
as long as they have an audience. (sn
ruler 3) With an eight house pluto, we
see that there is an inherit challenge
here for this soul. We ask, what is the
natural stress between the 8th and 5th
house?. In this case, there have been
many different karmic situations with a
common thread for a soul in the 3rd
stage consensus.
For example, we can assume this
persons power symbols would be
status(5th s.n.), money for own creative
actualization, relationship(vehicle to
receive praise, attention, and status),
and sex(self satisfaction-5th and means
to access power from another
potentially-5th square 8th). In all of
these situations, we can break it down
into an underlying stress and what
would happen as a result. First, lets
say this person forms relationship with
someone to feed their need to live a
kingly/queenly lifestyle-marrying into
power and money. They may have been
really good at flirting and drawing in this
mate with their conversation and
sexuality( sn 5th, ruler 3rd). In this
scenario, once the marriage continues
thru time, how does this person continue
to have all the attention they need from
their mate? What happens when one of
them begins to experience stagnation
and lack of fire in the relationship? Ah
ha!, tension is here: internal conflict.
We must factor in the culture of birth
and/or the culture/place in time of
really good at flirting and drawing in this
mate with their conversation and
sexuality( sn 5th, ruler 3rd). In this
scenario, once the marriage continues
thru time, how does this person continue
to have all the attention they need from
their mate? What happens when one of
them begins to experience stagnation
and lack of fire in the relationship? Ah
ha!, tension is here: internal conflict.
We must factor in the culture of birth
and/or the culture/place in time of
previous life to determine other stresses
in this dynamic. For example, in
mainstream american culture in the
50s, their would have been great
societal pressure to maintain the
marriage at all costs. Struggling with
inner needs for growth(8th) as well as
attention(5th) we see how this sets up
the possibilities of A. a affair B. a
divorce or C. continued holding onto
security of marriage(8th) while being
totally stressed that it is not meeting
own needs (square to 5th). We must
keep in mind the fact pluto is squaring
the nodes here and this person is also
partly repulsed about the ideas of having
an affair as means of changing the
situation. So, if they did, they may very
well be simultaneously repulsed from an
objective self perspective of not
choosing another path to eliminate the
aspect of their life that is outmoded and
blocking further growth. Moving on...
In the example of money as a symbol
of power for an 8th house pluto in late
consensus, merging/uniting with
someone who holds a lot of money is
another situation in the karmic past.
This would be achieved thru
marriage(8th) or a business
partnership. There are other ways that
this could have been achieved-covert,
manipulative, self serving in nature
which I do not feel the need to go into at
this point. But this is a point to keep in
mind regarding the potential karmic
retribution they may face in this lifetime
from past actions. Regardless, we see
an inner conflict (8th square 5th) in
which part of their desires to connect
with money in this example would be
self/ego serving. This sets up a tension
within the partnership, marriage or
business. On one hand, we could see
the confrontation external of the partner
responding to what they perceive as
being used and eliminating the union.
Or, we see the potential of the inner
confrontation of this soul having realized
that the union is no longer fulfilling
them-lack of attention, sex, no more
money, partner doesnt have ability to
grow with him/her are some situations
that could arise. With the sn ruler in
3rd, we can know that one of these
needs is talking about their self. They
may even have driven a partner away
from not being able to listen(give
attention) to them go on and on about
Or, we see the potential of the inner
confrontation of this soul having realized
that the union is no longer fulfilling
them-lack of attention, sex, no more
money, partner doesnt have ability to
grow with him/her are some situations
that could arise. With the sn ruler in
3rd, we can know that one of these
needs is talking about their self. They
may even have driven a partner away
from not being able to listen(give
attention) to them go on and on about
their ideas.
In the example of sex as a symbol of
power, being in 3rd stage consensus we
can speculate that their own
sexuality(5th) set up stressful situations
in which they may have had sex with
individuals whom they were drawn to
because of the power in society that
they held. In this case, the act of sex
would have been self serving means to
come into the others life/power. Or, in
a different example, we could image this
person using their own allure (3rd/5th)
to attract the situations they needed to
access information which brought them
greater power/status. Once having
achieved a higher status spot, they still
had to deal with the karmic results of
these flirtatious/sexual actions to
achieve an upper hand. In one more
example, we could see a positive
manifestation of sex as a symbol of
power-leading into marriage of higher
status(8th). Again, this situation will
still reveal inner stressful dynamics
inherent in the square of pluto to the
south node. Because it is the south
node and also because we know it is
unresolved(skipped step pluto applying
to s.n.), I am not painting a picture of a
more positive manifestation of sex as
power symbol in this specific example.
Jumping back to the overall of this
signature and assignment, it is clear that
this soul has yet to fully develop its own
self identity and values (2nd-ppp). Yet,
because of the pluto squaring the north
node(11th) we know that they have
begun to develop self sufficiency and
self identity in the past(2). When an
8th house pluto person looses this part
of self and/or has yet to develop it, we
see the compulsion come out. This is
the compulsive need to access their own
power and identity thru union with
something outside of their self, whether
it is partner, spouse. In this case, with
the south node in the 5th, without
knowing signs, this outside power source
could be a boss, consensus religion, a
teacher, consensus deity, and on.
Again, part of them is going to be
repulsed by this compulsive side of their
self and how it is so tied to feeding their
own egocentric needs of adoration,
attention, praise, honor/worshipping
them. With the square of pluto to the
north node, it reveals to us that how
they previously have begun to form a
self centered, personal value system,
the south node in the 5th, without
knowing signs, this outside power source
could be a boss, consensus religion, a
teacher, consensus deity, and on.
Again, part of them is going to be
repulsed by this compulsive side of their
self and how it is so tied to feeding their
own egocentric needs of adoration,
attention, praise, honor/worshipping
them. With the square of pluto to the
north node, it reveals to us that how
they previously have begun to form a
self centered, personal value system,
and sense of self sufficiency has been to
begin to see their own special destiny
and creative purpose from an objective
perspective.(11) This objective
awareness has been acquired by
beginning to form relationships with a
diversity of people. Through the
reflection, seeing parts of their self in
others, they have become(objectively)
aware of, to a certain degree, how their
own special purpose can have an actual
functional place in society.
Part of this souls great dilemma is
that these special creative attributes
have not been fully developed in the
past(pluto 8 square sn 5th). So, before
they can find this niche in society(11) in
which they can share their own creation
with many others(7th), they first must
do the karmic healing to go back and
realize fully what their own creative
purpose is(5th). It will only be through
research, asking questions, and
acquiring the right information(3rd) that
they will be able to actualize this
creative purpose. Once this healing and
karmic work is done, then we can see
them have growth experiences in which
they merge with a greater power while
still maintaining their own essence.
(ppp) And, with this creative purpose
realized, they can begin to bring this
forth to the community and share their
special talents with others.
With this signature, if the soul
embraces the transformations in a
positive way, we can see a lot of
potential for a type of life coach for
example. This type of profession, this
person could use their ability to
penetrate to the core of what and how
another operates(8th), see from a
objective view what may best serve
them (11), and have learned to relate as
equals(7th).
What are the past life traumas(nature
of) and what type of karmic challenges
have they set up for this soul? what are
these hurdles which they must
overcome?
First off, with a pluto in the 8th we know
that their past merging with sources of
greater power(to metamorphose their
own limits) have sometimes ended in
abrupt confrontations. These shocks,
betrayals, and elimination were of a
evolutionary necessity because of an
over identification and compulsion for
security and power outside of the self.
have they set up for this soul? what are
these hurdles which they must
overcome?
First off, with a pluto in the 8th we know
that their past merging with sources of
greater power(to metamorphose their
own limits) have sometimes ended in
abrupt confrontations. These shocks,
betrayals, and elimination were of a
evolutionary necessity because of an
over identification and compulsion for
security and power outside of the self.
The soul needed to cyclicly retreat into
itself and re-establish its newly defined
limits as a means to stabilize after the
metamorphic experience. Im sensing
with this square to the south node 5th
that these traumas have really hurt the
ego and damaged its sense of
specialness-it took it personally. So, we
see it come into this life with an inherent
distrust of others motives and fear of
opening up. Because of the betrayals,
he/she actually has a fear of that which
it needs to do to continue to evolve.
Hence, with this signature, we see the
greatest inner stress between the two
desires of the soul.
Applying this to past life childhood
experiences(as well as this life), we can
see that this wounded inner child may
be very well connected to parents, in
particular father figures, controlling,
manipulating, even abusing them as a
child. What is most clear would be a
potential for the father, in this life and
others, to have had strong opinions and
a strong will(sn5th-ruler 3); as a result
his giving was from his own perspective
of what he perceived his childs needs to
be. Thus, we see that there was a
repeated experience of, as a child, not
being recognized as special, not getting
the praise and positive reinforcement
needed, and not getting the mental
nurturing that would inspire the
creativity to flower.
Hence, the resolving of the skipped
steps, via the pluto applying to the
south node in this case, would be to go
back and gently talk to this inner child.
Tell it how special it is and help it get
the courage it needs to begin his/her
creative expression and manifestation of
its creative purpose. Remember that
we have major trust issues here, so it is
going to take some work to build up a
counselor relationship to the point where
you can begin this work. If we see
sexuality used as an adult to access
power, we know that there is an
unhealthy self esteem and this wounded
inner child is in rough shape.
On the flip side, they may have
completely detached from their creative
self. (11 skipped ahead) We may see
blocks in their creativity. This detaching
was skipping ahead as a means to
cope. If childhood or past lives their
was sexual abuse, this detaching may be
seen in the adult being completely
sexuality used as an adult to access
power, we know that there is an
unhealthy self esteem and this wounded
inner child is in rough shape.
On the flip side, they may have
completely detached from their creative
self. (11 skipped ahead) We may see
blocks in their creativity. This detaching
was skipping ahead as a means to
cope. If childhood or past lives their
was sexual abuse, this detaching may be
seen in the adult being completely
blocked from accessing their own
sexuality when in relationship to others.
In this situation, in each moment of
their life, part of them is attracted to
passion, fire, expression of self sexually
while at the same time repulsed by it.
The same is true of detaching from all
this feeling and objectively sharing parts
of self-it is attractive and safe, yet
repulsive and so not who they are.

Im going to stop here for now.


Perhaps this interpretation was a bit
jumping here and there. Always
thankful for your feedback Rad. Would
love to develop areas that were skipped
over or misinterpreted.
-b

I've been dealing with a personal cataclysmic event (T-Pluto conj Venus 3rd - Venus rules SN 7th which is the resolution node to my
Pluto/Nodes t-square!). To carry on with my EA study is what is required, but to be honest, as expressed recently by another person on
this message board, my difficulty lies in the amount of details presented and how to put it all together. The value is in the effort! so I
just need to continue, even if it's at a slow pace at the present time. I have been reading through everyone's contributions in the
present Practice Chart assignment in order to put something together. I'll give it go today.
Pluto 8th SN 5th SN Ruler 3rd

PPP 2nd NN 11th NN Ruler 7th

3rd Stage Consensus

The core orientation of this 8th house Soul is to strive toward and unite with powerful symbols of the 3rd Stage Consensus in the upper
strata of society such as prestige, status, material abundance, political power, social power, business success, and sexual power. The
evolutionary theme and necessity is creativity shaped through strength of will (5th) and actualized through unique and special
communicative capabilities (3rd).

The 5th/8th First Quarter Square describes a crisis in action where he possesses all kinds of creativity (5th) and new thought forms (3rd)
but is not certain what specific form to express these through resulting in a creative crisis. He rushes ahead to create and exhibit his
special destiny (5th) in order to effect achievement in the world (3rd consensus), but regularly experiences a withdrawal effect due to a
fear of failure or a fear that (what little he feels of) his individuality will be lost. And although the Last Quarter SN Ruler sextile SN
describes a brilliant intellect with well formed thoughts that allow a clear vision for the future, his core desires (8th) are not easily
achievable.

In the karmic past, the archetypes of betrayal, abandonment, trust (8th), child abuse, loss of children, power struggle with his father
(5th) were experienced. His father expected him to be an extension of himself and this drew rebellion, intellectual battles and crisis
(11th) against his fathers ideas because of the karmic necessity to define his own unique individuality (11th) which would lead to
developing the PPP (2nd), and a sense that he would be the source of his own emotional and physical security.

Achieving his own individuality and detaching himself from his father makes him feel powerful and secure, and this leads to compulsive
controlling and dictatorial behaviour over other peoples lives, especially his children, lovers and siblings. His dominating and controlling
behaviour causes his children to rebel and assert their own wills against him. Likewise, his children karmically inherit his old behaviour
pattern, and therefore resist his dictates in order that they also can individuate.

Pluto (8th) Full Inconjunct SN Ruler (3rd) exhibits an enormous amount of true inner power (8th), together with a heightened sense of a
special destiny to achieve (5th). Asserting his intellectual prowess in a wilful or obsessive way, or the way he communicates in a
headstrong manner, or the way he takes in information in a determined way from external sources, is met with social persecution,
criticism and environmental blockage. He cleverly finds the weakest links in other peoples arguments in order to reinstate his own
rightness.

With this Inconjunct there has been a deep karma built up around duplicity which manifested through lies, gossip, fluctuating viewpoints,
double agendas and ulterior motives in his interaction with others (3rd), which resulted in confrontations, negative feedback and others
intellectual doubt about him. The need for absolute power (8th) was the reason he became duplicitous in his dealings with others. In
this life, the duplicity manifests as a subconscious fear of having his own power undermined by another point of view (3rd) which would
then undermine his sense of absolute power (8th). Confrontations with others would necessarily liberate him from this past behavioural
pattern, as they expose this behaviour to him, thus allowing him to view it objectively so that he can see it for what it truly is. These
dynamics will be uncovered through repeated relationships with past friends, lovers, children or with souls he used or abused in the past.

His Pluto 8th squares the Nodal Axis and therefore he has skipped some steps in the past. These steps will be recovered through the
resolution node, the 5th. Until then, he will seesaw back and forth over the nodes 5th/11th until he understands what was missed, and
learns to develop and express what was missed in his life. Both Nodes and their rulers have operated in prior lives due to past choices
which correlate to the skipped steps. The degree of resistance to the skipped steps can be quite profound and intense. Attracting
confrontations and being isolated by others (11th), and the choice of domineering parental type and children resistant to his dictates
(5th) will lead to objective awareness of the skipped steps. Through the Last Quarter Square of the 8th/11th he will eventually meet
others with very different world views to his (11th) and his resistance to others ideas will intensify the evolutionary necessity to recover
the skipped steps of his SN 5th. The process of confrontation leads to internalization and assessment of the difficulties and eventually
leads to self-adjustment.

He is evolving beyond egocentric power (8th, 5th, 3rd) toward a creative social role that will benefit others (11th) with lessons in
listening, equality and balance (NN ruler 7th). He learns to listen and to hear exactly what others need, and so he is learning to give
rather than take. The Grand Trine between the NN, SN Ruler, and NN Ruler reflects an ease in communicating, sharing and comparing
thoughts and ideas with others, where he is able to consider, contrast and compare (7th) in a detached and objective way different
points of view about the world (11th) which lead to new and unique approaches in the development of friendships with a diversity of
people (11th). In this way he is able to revolutionize and radically transform himself, and to leave the past behind.

With the SN Last Quarter Sextile NN Ruler 7th it becomes easier to assume the future directions of his relationships, to learn through
others, perhaps leading to committed or intimate relationships rather than manipulation and abuse of others (8th). However, the PPP
inconjunct NN Ruler 7th describes not feeling good enough or not having the self-esteem or self-love required for self-sufficient
relationships. There may be a feeling of inadequacy in sharing oneself with a partner, or perhaps not feeling ready for a committed
relationship.