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When we are calculate the wall thickness we consider the Pressure that we have
in ASME B16.5, my question is :
If we have a 900# class and we calculated our pipe wall thickness( from 1" up to
14") inaccordance with ASME B16.5, is it possible(for economy reasons) to
consider some lines( 18" and above) with their design pressure which is less
than the pressure we have in ASME B16.5? (Do we have any problems with
Flanges thickness and Pipe wall thickness?)
2-I know that for underground piping in a plant (ASMEB31.3 standard) the
claculation we have for pipe wall thickness is enough, my question is:
If ther are some additional loads on the location which we have under ground
piping how we should consider the additional load into our calculation which
cause more thickness for under ground pipe
#1
09/03/2010 1:23 AM
Thank you for your answer, can you help me in my first
question as well?
Regards,
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ARROW
Member #3
09/03/2010 2:47 AM
For size 12" and above our Design pressure is less than
600# and also more than 300# (e.g for up to 200 deg F
design pressure is 1100 PSIG), our piping class's rating is
still 600# but we are not going to consider 1290 PSIG
design pressure we put 1100PSIG as design pressure in
pipe wall thickness calculation formula (ASME B31.3).
Thanks
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ARROW
Member #5
In reply to #4
09/03/2010 5:57 AM
Join Date: Jul Hi Farzad, if I am understanding well, you mean that you
2010 want reduce costs reducing the design pressure in the
Location: Madrid design, all this is right whether you are sure of the value to
Spain be used as design pressure, and that this value is going to
Posts: 7 be lesser than operating pressure. The ussual way is
having all the design conditions already defined before
making thickness calculation, and generally these values
are gotten from process department or from a P&ID;
Process and Instrument Diagram.
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cingold
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http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/52302/Why-are-
Flanges-the-Weakest-Part-of-a-Piping-System
To explain more:
My question is,
Thanks
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cingold
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2007
Re: Pipe Wall Thickness Calculation
Posts: 269
Good Answers: 8
09/07/2010 10:28 AM
I'm trying not to be too specific because there are so many
variables that go into designing pipe specs vs. one line that
I would hate to give you the wrong answer.
09/07/2010 10:43 AM
Join Date: Jul Hi Farzad, cingold is right, in few words and summarizing,
2010 if your project or your design has to meet with piping
Location: Madrid specifications such as a piping class, you shall use the
Spain rating that it has been indicated in the piping class, if is
Posts: 7 not so, and such as has indicated cingolg, you can do that
you have thought.
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Farzad Jalali
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Join Date: Aug
2010
Re: Pipe Wall Thickness Calculation
Posts: 16
09/08/2010 1:36 AM
Thanks cingold and others for your posting
To explain more:
My question is,
Thanks
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12/14/2010 12:44 PM
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Farzad Jalali
Active Contributor #11
To explain more:
My question is,
Thanks
The pressure rating is determined by Max allowable working pressure (MAWP), which
has to cover max pressure potentially formed (as the name denotes). Although pressure
rating may give some idea of potential MAWP (also called design pressure), MAWP
(design pressure) has to be specified in the line lists. This is also supported by the other
contributors to the topic.
Let us assume an ANSI 300-lb class pipeline, flanged, of normal carbon steel, handling
fluid of 750 F design temperature. MAWP=505 psig, according to Perry (7th ed, Table
10-45). For same class of 300-lb, MAWP would differ to 505 psig in case of difference in
material or design temperature (as the table indicates).
Besides the pipeline may have a fitting or instrument of lower MAWP (even though today
all piping components are tried to have same MAWP). Then the whole pipeline gets this
lower MAWP.
At any case, above MAWP is theoretical and rather a maximum value. True MAWP of
the pipeline is the one concluded from the certified hydrostatic test, realized after pipeline
construction. The pressure of this test can be set to a corresponding MAWP lower than
the above, especially in the case when there are pieces of equipment connected to the
pipeline. Then this is the certified MAWP.
Line list specifies (among others) nominal pressure rating, hydrostatic test pressure,
MAWP (design pressure). I think the latter can be significantly lower to MAWP
calculated as above (from Perry).
Note: Required hydrostatic test pressure for piping is set at MAWP x f (f=1.5 for ambient
temperature, f>1.5 for higher temperatures, depending on piping material. Connected
equipment may have lower f, which is confusing to me).
Note 1: Exceeding MAWP (design pressure) by a rather small percentage is permissible
per some piping codes for a short time.
Is there any formula/Table to understand what is
"equivalent"(from max allowable pressure point of
view)flange rating of a specific pipe size with specific
schedule number?
for example 3" pipe with Sch #XS is equal to (can be
connected to) Flange 300 lb?
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PAN (Mechanical) 14 Jul 05 2:21
shahyar
Thanks again.
jte (Mechanical) 14 Jul 05 13:53
shahyar-
jt
ytse (Mechanical) 14 Jul 05 16:34
Flange ratings are defined in ASME B16.5 for the
different materials at different temperatures (e.g. 150#
CS flange -material group 1.1 - has a rating of 285 psi
at 100F)
Thanks again.
jte (Mechanical) 14 Jul 05 13:53
shahyar-