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8 ROSENSTEIN, McCABE, COATS, AND ROGERS TESTIMONY
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1 (WHEREUPON, the following was transcribed


2 from an audio recording, to wit:)
3 CHAIRMAN SENATOR RICHARD BURR (R-NC): I'd
4 like to call this hearing to order. I'd like to
5 thank our witnesses today, Director of National
6 Intelligence, Dan Coats. Dan, welcome back to your
7 family here in the United States Senate.
8 Department of Justice Deputy Attorney
9 General, Rod Rosenstein.
10 Director of National Security Agency,
11 Admiral Mike Rogers.
12 And Acting Director of the Federal Bureau of
13 Investigation, Andrew McCabe.
14 Welcome to all four of you.
15 I appreciate you coming today to discuss one
16 of our most critical and publicly debated foreign
17 intelligence tools. Title VII of the Foreign
18 Intelligence Surveillance Act, commonly known as
19 FISA, is set to expire on December 31st, 2017.
20 Title VII includes several crucial foreign
21 intelligence collection tools, including one known
22 primarily as Section 702.

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1 Section 702 provides the capability to


2 target foreigners who are located outside the United
3 States, but whose foreign communications happen to
4 be routed to and acquired inside the United States.
5 Section 702 collection is exceptionally critical to
6 protecting Americans both at home and abroad. It's
7 integral to our foreign intelligence reporting on
8 terrorist threats, leadership plans, intentions,
9 counterproliferation, counterintelligence, and many
10 other issues that affect us. It is subject to
11 multiple layers of oversight and reporting
12 requirements from the executive, the judicial, and
13 the legislative branchs. The Foreign Intelligence
14 Surveillance Court must approve minimization
15 procedures for each relevant IC agency before the
16 agency can review collected information.
17 At the end of the day, FISA collection
18 provides our government with the foreign
19 intelligence that our nation needs to protect
20 Americans at home and abroad, and in many cases our
21 allies. I understand there is an ongoing debate
22 pitting privacy against national security. And

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1 there are arguments within the debate that have


2 merit. As we all too painfully know, the
3 intelligence community's valuable FISA collection
4 was thrust into the public spotlight following the
5 illegal and unauthorized disclosures by former NSA
6 analyst Edward Snowden. As a result, the United
7 States government and this committee redoubled its
8 efforts to oversee FISA authorities, which already
9 were subject to historical robust oversight.
10 But I also think it's fair to say that some
11 entities overreacted following Snowden's
12 disclosures, and now Congress must justify what
13 courts repeatedly have upheld as a constitutional
14 and lawful authority. And I also think that it's
15 fair to say that nothing regarding this lawful
16 status has changed since Director Clapper and
17 Attorney General Holder wrote to Congress in
18 February 2012 to urge us to pass a straight
19 reauthorization of FISA, and since the Obama
20 Administration followed suit in September 2012.
21 What has changed, however, is the intensity,
22 scale, and scope of the threats that face our

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1 nation. This is not the time to needlessly roll


2 back and handicap our capabilities. I know a lot of
3 people will use this hearing as an opportunity to
4 talk about the committee's Russian investigation.
5 I'd like to remind everyone that 702 is one of our
6 most effective tools against terrorism and foreign
7 intelligence targets.
8 I hope my colleagues and those closely
9 watching this hearing realize that at the end of the
10 day, our constitutional obligation is to keep
11 America and our citizens safe. The intelligence
12 community needs Section 702 collection to
13 successfully carry out its mission. And it is this
14 committee's obligation to insure that the IC has the
15 authorities and the tools it needs to keep us safe
16 at home and abroad.
17 Gentlemen, I look forward to your testimony
18 and continued efforts to maintain the integrity of
19 this vital collection tool.
20 I now turn to the Vice Chairman for any
21 comments he might have.
22 SENATOR MARK WARNER (D-VA): Thank you,

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1 Mr. Chairman. And thank you for hosting this


2 hearing on the very important 702 program and ways
3 that we might ensure its effectiveness. And I will
4 get to that in a moment.
5 However, given the panel of witnesses here,
6 and given the recent news about ongoing
7 investigations into Russian interference in our 2016
8 elections, I'm going to have to take at least part
9 of my time to pose some questions during my question
10 time.
11 Each of you here today, we all know, have
12 taken an oath to defend the Constitution. As
13 leaders of the intelligence community, you've also
14 committed to act and to provide advice and counsel
15 in a way that is unbiassed, impartial, and devoid of
16 any political considerations. This is the essence,
17 quite honestly, of what makes our intelligence
18 community and all the men and women who work for you
19 so impressive. You tell it straight, no matter
20 which political party is in charge. And that's why
21 it's so jarring to hear recent reports of White
22 House officials, perhaps even the President himself,

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1 attempting to interfere and enlist our intelligence


2 community leaders in any attempt to undermine the
3 ongoing FBI investigation.
4 Obviously, tomorrow there's another big
5 hearing. We'll be hearing from former FBI Director
6 Comey. I imagine he'll have something to say about
7 the circumstances surrounding his dismissal. We
8 have now heard the President himself say that he was
9 thinking about the Russian investigation when he
10 fired Director Comey, the very individual who is
11 overseeing that same investigation. Today we'll
12 have an opportunity to ask Deputy Attorney General
13 Rosenstein about his role in the Comey firings as
14 well.
15 Additionally, we've seen reports, some as
16 recently as yesterday, that the President asked at
17 least two of the leaders of our nation's
18 intelligence agencies to publicly downplay the
19 Russian investigation. The President is alleged to
20 have also personally asked Director Coats and CIA
21 Director Pompeo to intervene directly with then
22 Director Comey to pull back on his investigation.

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1 I'll be asking, as I've told them, DNI Director


2 Coats and NSA Director Admiral Rogers about those
3 reports today.
4 Because if any of this is true, it would be
5 an appalling and improper use of our intelligence
6 professionals. An act, if true, could erode the
7 public's trust in our intelligence institutions.
8 The IC, as I've grown to know over the last seven
9 and a half years I've been on this committee, prides
10 itself appropriately on its fierce independence.
11 Any attempt by the White House or even the President
12 himself to exploit this community as a tool for
13 political purposes is deeply, deeply troubling.
14 I respect all of your service to the nation.
15 I understand that answering some of the questions
16 that the panel will pose today may be difficult or
17 uncomfortable, given your positions in the
18 Administration. But this issue is of such great
19 importance, the stakes are so high, I hope you'll
20 also consider all of our obligations to the American
21 people to make sure that they get the answers they
22 deserve to so many questions that are being asked.

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1 Now let me return to the subject of our


2 hearing. Mr. Chairman, I agree the reauthorization
3 of Section 702 is terribly important. As the
4 attacks in London, Paris, Manchester, Melbourne, and
5 the list unfortunately goes on and on, all those
6 attacks have demonstrated terrorists continue to
7 plot attacks that target innocent civilians.
8 Section 702 under court order collects intelligence
9 about these potential terrorist plots. It
10 authorizes law enforcement and the intelligence
11 community to collect intelligence on non-U.S.
12 persons outside the United States where there is
13 reasonable suspicion that they seek to do us harm.
14 I've been a supporter of reauthorizing
15 Section 702 to protect Americans from terrorist
16 attacks. And I'm eager to work with my colleagues
17 on both sides of the aisle to make sure that we
18 reauthorize it before the end of this year. A
19 reauthorization of Section 702 should insure, also,
20 that there is robust oversight and restrictions to
21 protect the privacy and civil liberties of
22 Americans. Those protections remain in place, and

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1 if there are areas where those protections can be


2 strengthened, we ought to look at those as well.
3 So, thank you, Mr. Chairman, I look forward
4 to our hearing.
5 CHAIRMAN BURR: Thank you, Vice Chairman.
6 Let me say for all members, votes are no
7 longer scheduled for 10:30. If you've not gotten
8 that word, votes have been moved to 1:45. When this
9 hearing adjourns, we will reconvene at 2:00 p.m. for
10 a closed door session on Section 702. I intend to
11 start that hearing promptly at 2:00.
12 Today members will be recognized by
13 seniority for questions up to five minutes.
14 With that, gentlemen, thank you for being
15 here today. Director Coats, you are recognized to
16 give testimony on behalf of all four of you. The
17 floor is yours.
18 DIRECTOR COATS: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
19 Chairman Burr, Chairman Warner, members of the
20 committee. We are pleased to be here today at your
21 request to talk about an important and perhaps the
22 most important piece of legislation that affects the

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1 intelligence community.
2 I'm here with my colleagues. I would like
3 to take the opportunity to explain in some detail
4 Section 702. Given this is a public hearing, and
5 hopefully the public will be watching, our efforts
6 to provide transparency in terms of how we protect
7 the privacy and civil liberties of our American
8 citizens needs to be explained. The program needs
9 to be understood. So I appreciate your patience as
10 I talk through in my opening statement the value of
11 702 to our intelligence community and to keeping
12 Americans safe.
13 Intelligence collection under Section 702,
14 FISA amendments, has produced and continues to
15 produce significant intelligence that is vital to
16 protect the nation against international terrorism,
17 against cyber threats, weapons proliferators, and
18 other threats. At the same time, Section 702
19 provides strong protections for the privacy and
20 civil liberties of our citizens.
21 Today, the horrific attacks that recently
22 have occurred in Europe are still at the top of my

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1 mind. I was just in Europe days before the first


2 attack in Manchester, followed by other attacks that
3 have subsequently taken place. I was in discussion
4 with my British colleagues through this as well as
5 colleagues in other European nations. And my
6 sympathies go out to the victims and families of
7 those that have received these heinous attacks, and
8 to the incredible resilience that these communities
9 affected by these violence have shown.
10 Having just returned from Europe less than
11 three weeks ago, I'm reminded of why Section 702 is
12 so important to our mission of not only protecting
13 American lives, but the lives of our friends and
14 allies around the world. And although the many
15 successes enabled by 702 are highly classified, the
16 purpose of the authority is to give the United
17 States intelligence community the upper hand in
18 trying to avert these types of attacks before they
19 transpire, which is why permanent reauthorization of
20 the FISA Amendments Act without further amendment is
21 the intelligence community's top legislative
22 priority. And based on the long history of

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1 oversight and transparency of this authority, I


2 would urge the Congress to enact this legislation at
3 the earliest possible date to give our intelligence
4 professionals the consistency they need to maintain
5 our capability.
6 Let me begin today by giving an example of
7 the impact of Section 702 of FISA. It's been cited
8 before, but I think it's worth mentioning again.
9 An NSA FISA Section 702 collection against
10 an e-mail address used by an Al Qaeda courier in
11 Pakistan revealed communications with an unknown
12 individual located within the United States. The
13 U.S.-based person was urgently seeking advice on how
14 to make explosives. NSA passed this information on
15 to the FBI, which in turn was able to quickly
16 identify the individual as Najibullah Zazi. And as
17 you know, Zazi and his associates, in fact, had
18 imminent plans to detonate explosives on Manhattan's
19 subway lines. After Zazi and his co-conspirators
20 were arrested, the privacy and civil liberties
21 oversight board stated in its report, and I quote:
22 Without the initial tip-off about Zazi and his

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1 plans, which came about by monitoring an overseas


2 foreigner under Section 702, the subway bombing plot
3 might have succeeded.
4 This is just one example out of many of the
5 impacts this authority has had on the IC's ability
6 to thwart imminent threats and plots against United
7 States citizens and our friends and allies overseas.
8 Since it was enacted nearly ten years ago, FISA --
9 FISA act has been subject to rigorous and constant
10 oversight by all three branches of government.
11 Indeed, we regularly report to the intelligence and
12 judiciary committees of both the House and the
13 Senate how we have implement implemented the
14 statute. The operational value it is afforded and
15 the extensive measures we take to ensure that the
16 government's use of these authorities complies with
17 the Constitution and the laws of the United States.
18 Further, over the past few years, we have engaged in
19 an unprecedented amount of public transparency on
20 the use of these authorities.
21 In the interest of transparency and because
22 this is a public hearing, allow me to provide an

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1 overview of the framework for Section 702 and the


2 reasons why the Congress amended FISA in 2008. I
3 will then briefly address why 702 needs to be
4 reauthorized and, finally, I will discuss oversight
5 and compliance and how we are ensuring and continue
6 to ensure the rights of U.S. citizens, rights that
7 need to be protected.
8 At the outset I want to stress three things
9 as a backdrop to everything else that my colleagues
10 and I are presenting today. First, as I mentioned
11 at the outset, collection under 702 has produced and
12 continues to produce intelligence that is vital to
13 protect the nation against international terrorism
14 and other threats. Secondly, there are important
15 legal limitations found within Section 702 of FISA.
16 And let me note four of these legal
17 limitations. First, the authorities granted under
18 Section 702 may only be used to target foreign
19 persons located abroad for foreign intelligence
20 purposes. Secondly, they may not be used to target
21 U.S. persons anywhere in the world. Third, they may
22 not be used to target anyone located inside the

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1 United States, regardless of their nationality.


2 And, fourth, they may not be used to target a
3 foreign person when the intent is to acquire the
4 communications of a U.S. person with whom a foreign
5 person is communicating. This is generally referred
6 to as the prohibition against reverse targeting.
7 The third item I would like to stress is
8 that we are committed to ensuring that the
9 intelligence community's use of 702 is consistent
10 with the law and the protection of the privacy and
11 civil liberties of Americans. And to that end, in
12 the nearly ten years since Congress enacted the FAA,
13 there have been no instances of intentional
14 violations of Section 702. I'd like to repeat that:
15 In the nearly ten years since Congress enacted the
16 amendments to the Freedom Act, the act that
17 established FISA, there have been no instances of
18 intentionally violations of Section 702.
19 With those points as a backdrop, now let me
20 turn to the discussion of why it became necessary
21 for Congress to enact Section 702. I do this so
22 that the American public can hopefully better

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1 understand the basis for this important law. The


2 Foreign Intelligence and Surveillance Act was first
3 passed in 1978, creating a way for the federal
4 government to obtain court orders for electronic
5 surveillance of suspected spies, terrorists, and
6 foreign diplomats located inside the United States.
7 When originally enacting FISA, Congress decided that
8 collection against targets located abroad would
9 generally be outside of their regime. FISA's
10 regime. That decision reflected that fact that
11 people in the United States are protected by the
12 Fourth Amendment, while foreigners located abroad
13 are not.
14 Congress accomplished this in large part by
15 defining electronic surveillance based on the
16 technology of the time. In the 1970s, overseas
17 communications were predominantly carried by
18 satellite. FISA, as passed in 1978, did not require
19 a court order for the collection of these overseas
20 satellite communications. So, for example, if in
21 1980 NASA intercepted a satellite communication of a
22 foreign terrorist abroad, no court order was

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1 required. However, by 2008, technology had changed


2 considerably. First, U.S. based e-mail services
3 were being used by people all over the world.
4 Second, the overseas communication that in 1978 were
5 typically carried by satellite were now being
6 carried by fiber optic cables, often running through
7 the United States.
8 So to continue the same example, if in 2008
9 a foreign terrorist was communicating by using a
10 U.S.-based e-mail service, a traditional FISA court
11 order was required to compel a U.S.-based company to
12 help with that collection. Under traditional FISA,
13 the court order can only be obtained on an
14 individual basis, by demonstrating to a federal
15 judge that there is probable cause to believe that
16 the target of the proposed surveillance is a foreign
17 power or an agent of a foreign power. This has
18 become an ever more difficult and extremely resource
19 intensive process. And, therefore, due to these
20 changes in technology, the same resource intensive
21 legal process was being used to conduct surveillance
22 on terrorists located abroad who are not protected

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1 by the Fourth Amendment, as was being used to


2 conduct surveillance on U.S. persons inside the
3 United States who are protected by the Fourth
4 Amendment.
5 By enacting 702 in 2008 and renewing it in
6 2012, both times with significant bipartisan
7 support, Congress corrected this anomaly, restoring
8 the balance of protections established by the
9 original FISA statute. And although I will not go
10 into great detail here regarding the legal framework
11 for FISA's Section 702, I will simply note a few key
12 items.
13 First, the statute requires annual
14 certifications by the attorney general and by the
15 director of national intelligence regarding the
16 categories of foreign intelligence that the
17 intelligence community will acquire under this
18 authority. Second, the statute requires targeting
19 procedures that set forth the rules by which the
20 intelligence community ensures that only foreign
21 persons abroad are targeted for collection.
22 Thirdly, the statute requires minimization

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1 procedures protecting U.S. persons' information that


2 may be incidentally acquired while targeting foreign
3 persons. And, finally, each year, the FISA court
4 reviews this entire package of material to make sure
5 the government's program is consistent with both the
6 statute and with the Fourth Amendment of the
7 constitution.
8 We have publicly released slightly redacted
9 versions of all these documents, including the most
10 recent FISC opinion to ensure the public has a good
11 understanding of how we use this authority. The
12 government Section 702 program, as we have said, is
13 subject to rigorous and frequent oversight by all
14 three branches of government.
15 The first line of oversight and compliance
16 is within the agencies themselves, whose offices of
17 general counsel, privacy and civil liberties
18 offices, and inspectors general, all have a role in
19 FISA 702 program oversight. The majority of the
20 incidents of non-compliance that are reported to my
21 office and to the Department of Justice are
22 self-reported by the participating agencies. In

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1 addition, the office of the DNI and Department of


2 Justice conduct regular audits, focusing on
3 compliance with the targeting procedures as well as
4 on querying of collected data and on dissemination
5 of information under the minimization procedures.
6 Also, we have regular engagements with an
7 extensive reporting to Congress about the FISA's 702
8 program. For example, the judiciary and
9 intelligence committees receive relevant orders of
10 the FISA court and associated pleadings, description
11 and analysis of every compliance incident and
12 certain statistical information such as the number
13 of intelligent reports in which a known U.S. person
14 was identified. And, finally, of course the FISA
15 court regularly checks our work both through the
16 annual recertification process and through regular
17 interactions on particular incidents of
18 non-compliance.
19 Members of the FISA court who are all
20 appointed by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
21 represent the best of the best of our judicial
22 community. They have vast judicial experience and

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1 are committed to the constitutional responsibilities


2 of protecting the privacy of U.S. persons. We are
3 particularly proud of our oversight and compliance
4 track record. The audits of the program conducted
5 by the ODNI and DOJ have shown that unintended error
6 rates are extremely low, substantially,
7 substantially less than one percent.
8 Further, and I want to emphasize this, we
9 have never, not once, found an intentional violation
10 of this program. There have been unintended
11 mistakes, but I would note that any system with zero
12 compliance incidents is a broken compliance system
13 because humans make mistakes. The difference here
14 is that none of these mistakes has been intentional.
15 When do we -- and when we do find unintentional
16 errors in compliance incidents, we ensure that they
17 are reported and corrected. This is an
18 extraordinary record of success for the diligent men
19 and women of the intelligence community who are
20 committed to ensuring that their neighbors' privacy
21 is protected in the course of their national
22 security work.

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1 And with that, I would like to turn to the


2 most compliance incident, which resulted in a
3 significant change in how the National Security
4 Agency conducts a portion of its FISA 702
5 collection.
6 A recent example of the oversight process at
7 work, as a recent example, NASA identified a
8 compliance incident involving queries of U.S.
9 person's identifiers in Section 702 acquired
10 upstream data. "Upstream data" refers to when NASA
11 receives communications directly from the Internet
12 with the assistance of companies that maintain these
13 backbone networks. The FISC, FISA court, was
14 promptly notified and DOJ and ODNI worked with NSA
15 to understand the scope and causes of the problem as
16 well as to identify potential solutions to prevent
17 the problem from reoccurring. The details of the
18 incident are publicly available. And Admiral Rogers
19 will go or can go into more detail during the
20 question and answer session, if you would like.
21 But just allow me briefly to state what
22 happened. NASA identified and researched a

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1 compliance issue. NASA -- excuse me, NSA reported


2 that issue to DOJ, ODNI, and, ultimately, the FISA
3 court. The court delayed its consideration of the
4 2016 certifications on that basis until the
5 government was able to correct the issue. NSA
6 determined that a possible solution to the
7 compliance problem was to stop conducting one
8 specific type of upstream collection. So,
9 ultimately, we decided that the most effective way
10 to address the court's concerns was to stop
11 collecting on this basis. It's called the "abouts"
12 portion of upstream collection. And by "abouts"
13 collection, I'm referring to NSA's ability to
14 collect communications where the foreign
15 intelligence target is neither the sender nor the
16 recipient of a communication that's made, but is
17 referenced within the communication itself.
18 The FISA court agreed with our solution and
19 approved the program as a whole on the basis of the
20 NSA proposal. In short, what I'm trying to say here
21 is, is that a compliance issue was identified, and
22 after a great deal of hard work, the Department of

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1 Justice and the intelligence community proposed to


2 the FISA court an effective solution that took the
3 relevant collection costs and compliance benefits
4 into account. And the court agreed with the
5 proposed solution. That is how the process works.
6 And it works well.
7 Before I conclude, I would like to speak
8 briefly about an issue that has been the subject of
9 much public discussion. There have been requests,
10 numerous requests, from both Congress and the
11 advocacy community for NSA to attempt to count the
12 number of United States persons whose communications
13 have been incidentally acquired in the course of
14 FISA 702 collection. During my confirmation
15 hearing, and in a subsequent hearing before this
16 committee, I committed to sitting down with Admiral
17 Rogers and the subject matter experts in the
18 intelligence community to understand why this has
19 been so difficult.
20 Within my first few weeks on the job, I
21 visited NSA, discussed with Admiral Rogers and his
22 technical people, and followed through on my

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1 commitment. What I learned was that the NSA has


2 made -- Herculean -- it's hard for me to say. They
3 have made extensive efforts. Herculean, I think, is
4 the --
5 VOICE (off mike): Herculean.
6 DIRECTOR COATS: Say that again.
7 VOICE (off mike): Herculean.
8 DIRECTOR COATS: Herculean. All right.
9 I had to turn to -- you know what I mean? I
10 mean really tough efforts, all right, to devise a
11 counting strategy that would be accurate and would
12 respond to the question that was asked. But I also
13 learned that it remains infeasible to generate an
14 exact, accurate, meaningful, and responsive
15 methodology that can count how often a U.S. person's
16 communications may be incidentally collected under
17 702.
18 I want to be clear here. To determine if
19 communicants are U.S. persons, NSA would be required
20 to conduct significant additional research trying to
21 determine whether individuals who may be of no
22 foreign intelligence interests are U.S. persons.

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1 And from my perspective as the director of national


2 intelligence, this raises two significant concerns.
3 First, I would be asking trained NSA
4 analysts to conduct intense identity verification
5 research on potential U.S. persons who are not
6 targets of an investigation. From a privacy and
7 civil liberties perspective, I find this
8 unpalatable. Second, those scores of analysis that
9 would have to be shifted from key focus areas such
10 as counterterrorism, counterintelligence,
11 counterproliferation, issues with nations in
12 which -- such as North Korea, we need -- and Iran,
13 we need continuous and critical intelligence
14 missions. I can't justify such a diversion of
15 critical resources and the mass of critical
16 resources that we would need to try to attempt to
17 reach this, even without the ability to reach a
18 definite number. I can't justify that at a time
19 when we face such a diversity of serious threats.
20 And, finally, even if we decided the privacy
21 intrusions were justified, and if I had unlimited
22 staff to tackle this problem, we still do not

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1 believe it is possible to come up with an accurate,


2 measurable result. I'm aware that the Senate
3 Intelligence Committee staff will be meeting
4 following this public hearing in a classified
5 session. And Admiral Rogers has instructed his
6 experts to address this issue in greater detail.
7 Before I wrap up my remarks, I want to
8 provide one final example that I have for the
9 purposes of today's hearing chosen to declassify,
10 using my authority as the director of national
11 intelligence to further illustrate the value of
12 Section 702.
13 Before rising through the ranks to become at
14 one point the second in command of the
15 self-proclaimed Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham,
16 ISIS, Haji Iman was a high school teacher and imam.
17 His transformation from citizen to terrorist caused
18 the U.S. government to offer a $7 million reward for
19 information leading to him. It also made him a top
20 focus of the NSA's counterterrorism efforts.
21 NSA, along with its IC partners, spent over
22 two years, from 2014 to 2016, looking for Haji Iman.

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1 This search was ultimately successful, primarily


2 because of FISA Section 702. Indeed, based almost
3 exclusively on intelligence activities under Section
4 702, NSA collected a significant body of foreign
5 intelligence about the activities of Haji Iman and
6 his associates. Beginning with non-702 collection,
7 NSA learned of an individual closely related with
8 Haji Iman. NSA used collection, permitted and
9 authorized under Section 702 to collect intelligence
10 on the close associates of Haji Iman, which allowed
11 NSA to develop a robust body of knowledge concerning
12 the personal network of Haji Iman and his close
13 associates.
14 Over a two-year period, using FISA Section
15 702 collection and in close collaboration with our
16 IC partners, NSA produced more intelligence on Haji
17 Iman's associates, including their location. NSA
18 and its tactical partners then combined this
19 information, the Section 702 collection, which was
20 continuing, and other intelligence assets to
21 identify the reclusive Haji Iman and track his
22 movements. Ultimately, this collaboration enabled

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1 U.S. forces to attempt an apprehension of Haji Iman


2 and two of his associates.
3 On March 24th, 2016, during the attempted
4 apprehension operation, shots were fired at the U.S.
5 forces aircraft from Haji Iman's location. U.S.
6 forces returned fire, killing Haji Iman and the
7 other associates at that location. Subsequent
8 Section 702 collection confirmed Haji Iman's death.
9 As you can see from this sensitive example,
10 Section 702 is an extremely valuable intelligence
11 collection tool, and one that is subject to a
12 rigorous effective oversight program. And,
13 therefore, allow me to reiterate my call on behalf
14 of the intelligence community without hesitation, my
15 call for permanent reauthorization of the FISA
16 Amendments Act without further amendment.
17 Mr. Chairman, thank you for your patience,
18 and we would be willing to be open to your
19 questions.
20 CHAIRMAN BURR: Thank you, Director Coats.
21 The Chair would recognize himself now for
22 five minutes for questions.

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1 In 2012, I mentioned in my opening


2 statement, Director of National Intelligence Jim
3 Clapper and Attorney General Eric Holder wrote a
4 letter to the congressional leadership asking
5 Congress to pass a straight reauthorization of FISA.
6 A September 2012 statement of Administration policy
7 also urged the same.
8 This would be to Director Coats and AG
9 Rosenstein. Has the ODNI or the Department of
10 Justice's position changed at all since the time of
11 the February 2012 letter?
12 DIRECTOR COATS: No. We strongly support
13 the 2012 letter and request.
14 MR. ROSENSTEIN: We agree 100 percent.
15 CHAIRMAN BURR: Right.
16 This was to Admiral Rogers and to Director
17 McCabe. Since Congress last authorized this
18 authority in 2012, again, have there been any
19 instances involving a deliberate or intentional
20 compliance violation? Admiral Rogers?
21 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Not that I am aware of.
22 CHAIRMAN BURR: Director McCabe?

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1 MR. McCABE: No, sir.


2 CHAIRMAN BURR: Admiral Rogers, this is to
3 you: If FISA 702 statutory authorities were to end
4 or even be diminished, what would be the impact on
5 our national security?
6 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I could not generate the
7 same level of insight that the nation, our friends
8 and allies around the world count on with respect to
9 counterterrorism, counterproliferation. I could
10 not, for example, be able to re-create the insights
11 on the Russian effort to influence the 2016 election
12 cycle. Without 702, we could not have produced that
13 level of insight.
14 CHAIRMAN BURR: This is a jump ball. April
15 26, 2017, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
16 Court, commonly known as FISC, held that Section 702
17 certifications, including its targeting and
18 minimization procedures, are both -- are lawful both
19 under FISA statute and the Fourth Amendment.
20 As former Director Comey testified last
21 month, the only reason our laws even require the
22 certification to cover, and I quote, these

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1 non-Americans who aren't in our country, is because


2 their communications transiting U.S.-based networks
3 and systems, yet others have suggested imposing a
4 Fourth Amendment warrant requirement on foreigners
5 who are located outside of the United States.
6 This is really NSA and Justice. Would
7 imposing such a warrant requirement impact our
8 national security tools to protect America?
9 MR. ROSENSTEIN: If you're referring to me,
10 I'll be happy to take the ball.
11 Yes, it would, Senator. I think what's
12 important to recognize is that in the absence of
13 Section 702, the Department of Justice and the
14 intelligence community in every case in which we
15 wanted to obtain foreign intelligence information to
16 collect against a particular target, we'd be
17 required to obtain a court order, it would need to
18 be supported by probable cause. The consequence of
19 that is, number one, it would be very time consuming
20 because these are very thorough investigation, and
21 we produced very lengthy documents. In fact,
22 Director McCabe and I spent a fair amount of our

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1 time every morning reviewing a stack of documents


2 with our career agents and prosecutors in which they
3 have determined that it's appropriate to seek those
4 orders.
5 So it would be time consuming, it would
6 require a significant commitment to resources, and
7 in addition to that, it would require a showing of
8 probable cause. And as you know, the probable cause
9 showing, which is required under the Constitution,
10 in circumstances in which privacy interests of
11 Americans are at stake, and it's required by the
12 Fourth Amendment, that's a relatively higher
13 threshold than we require for foreign intelligence
14 information.
15 And so we think it's important, Senator,
16 that we not apply that Fourth Amendment
17 constitutional standard to foreigners who are not in
18 the United States.
19 CHAIRMAN BURR: Thank you, Mr. Rosenstein.
20 Admiral Rogers, this is to you. There's a
21 lot of news reporting, much of it inaccurate, that
22 characterizes Section 702 as a means of targeting

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1 U.S. persons. We know that targeting U.S. persons


2 is prohibited, as is what is termed "reverse
3 targeting."
4 Could you explain and clarify the reverse
5 targeting prohibition, and what does it prevent the
6 IC from targeting and collecting.
7 ADMIRAL ROGERS: So reverse targeting is
8 designed to preclude our ability to by-pass the law.
9 And what do I mean by that? The law is expressly
10 designed to ensure that we are not using this legal
11 framework as a capability to target U.S. persons.
12 Reverse targeting is the following scenario:
13 Say we're interested in generating insight on U.S.
14 person A. We know that we can't get a Title I -- we
15 can't get a FISA warrant. So under the idea of
16 reverse targeting, the theory would be, well, why
17 don't you just target a foreign entity that that
18 U.S. person talks to, and then you'll get all the
19 insights you want on the U.S. person, but you'll
20 have bypassed the court process, and you'll have
21 bypassed the entire legal structure. 702
22 specifically reminds us, we cannot do that. We

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1 cannot use 702 as a vehicle to bypass other laws or


2 to target U.S. persons.
3 CHAIRMAN BURR: Can you -- last question.
4 Can you please clarify for members and for
5 the public what's meant be incidental collection?
6 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Incidental collection and
7 the statute itself, if you read the law, the statute
8 acknowledges that in the execution of this
9 framework, we will encounter U.S. persons. We call
10 that incidental collection. That happens under two
11 scenarios. Number one, which is about 90 percent of
12 the time, we are monitoring two foreign individuals,
13 and those foreign entities talk about or reference a
14 U.S. person. The second scenario that we do -- that
15 we encounter that we call incidental collection is
16 we are targeting a valid foreign individual, and
17 that valid foreign individual, a foreign
18 intelligence target, ends up having a conversation
19 with a U.S. person. That's not the target of our
20 collection, it's not why we are monitoring it in the
21 first place. We're interested in that foreign
22 target. That happens of the times we have

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1 incidental collection, that scenario happens about


2 10 percent of the time.
3 CHAIRMAN BURR: And were that incidental
4 collection to happen, you have a procedure in place
5 in both instances to minimize that --
6 ADMIRAL ROGERS: We do. The law -- the law
7 specifically gives us a set of processes that we
8 have to follow. So if we do encounter a U.S. person
9 incidentally in the course of our collection, we ask
10 ourselves several questions. Number one, are we
11 looking at potential criminal activity? If we do
12 that, we have a requirement to report or to inform
13 the Department of Justice and the FBI, and they make
14 the determination if it's illegal or not. We're an
15 intelligence organization not a law enforcement
16 organization.
17 The second question we ask ourselves, is
18 there anything in this conversation that would lead
19 us to believe that we're talking about harm to
20 individuals. In that case, we do report it. If we
21 think we're dealing with something that is criminal
22 or there's harm to individuals, we report it.

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1 Other than that, unless there is a valid


2 intelligence purpose, depending on the authority in
3 the case of 702, we specifically purge the data. We
4 remove it. We don't put it in to our holdings. If
5 we don't assess that there's intelligence value and
6 it's a U.S. person, we have to purge the data.
7 CHAIRMAN BURR: Thank you for that.
8 Vice Chairman.
9 SENATOR WARNER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
10 As I indicated, I've got some questions on
11 another matter, and Director Coats and Admiral
12 Rogers, they're mostly going to be directed to you
13 gentlemen, and thank you for your testimony this
14 morning.
15 We all know now that in March, then Director
16 Comey testified about the existence of an ongoing
17 FBI investigation into links between the Trump
18 campaign and the Russian government. And there are
19 reports out in the press that the President
20 separately appealed to you, Admiral Rogers, and to
21 you, Director Coats, to downplay the Russian
22 investigation. And now we've got additional

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1 reports, and we want to give you a chance to confirm


2 or deny these, that the President separately
3 addressed you, Director Coats, and asked you to, in
4 effect, intervene with Director Comey, again, to
5 downplay the FBI investigation.
6 Admiral Rogers, you draw the short straw.
7 I'm going to start with you.
8 Before we get to the substance of whether
9 this call or request was made, you've had a very
10 distinguished career, close to 40 years. In your
11 experience, would it be in any way typical for a
12 President to ask questions or bring up an ongoing
13 FBI investigation, particularly if that
14 investigation concerns associates and individuals
15 that might be associated with the President's
16 campaign or his activities?
17 ADMIRAL ROGERS: So today I am not going to
18 talk about theoreticals, I am not going to discuss
19 the specific of any interaction or conversations I
20 may or may not --
21 SENATOR WARNER: Can you -- can you --
22 ADMIRAL ROGERS: If I could finish, sir,

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1 please. That I may or may not have had with the


2 President of the United States. But I will make the
3 following comment: In the three plus years that I
4 have been the director of the National Security
5 Agency, to the best of my recollection, I have never
6 been directed to do anything I believe to be
7 illegal, immoral, unethical, or inappropriate. And
8 to the best of my recollection, during that same
9 period of service, I do not ever recall feeling
10 pressured to do so.
11 SENATOR WARNER: But have -- in your course
12 prior to the incident that we're going to discuss,
13 was it in any regular course where a president would
14 ask you to comment or intervene in any ongoing FBI
15 investigation? Not talking about this circumstance,
16 but any prior experience with that?
17 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I'm not going to talk about
18 theoreticals today.
19 SENATOR WARNER: Oh. Let me ask you
20 specifically: Did the President, the reports that
21 are out there, ask you any way, shape, or form, to
22 back off or downplay the Russian investigation?

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1 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I'm not going to discuss


2 the specifics of conversations with the President of
3 the United States, but I stand by the comment I just
4 made to you, sir.
5 SENATOR WARNER: Do you feel that that --
6 those conversations were classified? We know there
7 was an ongoing FBI investigation --
8 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Yes, sir.
9 SENATOR WARNER: -- and press reports.
10 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Yes, sir.
11 SENATOR WARNER: I understand your answer.
12 I'm disappointed with that answer, but I may
13 indicate, and I told you I was going to bring this
14 up.
15 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Sure.
16 SENATOR WARNER: There is -- we have facts
17 that there were other individuals that were aware of
18 the call that was made to you, aware of the
19 substance of that call, and that there was a memo
20 prepared because of concerns about that call.
21 Will you comment at all --
22 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I stand by the comments

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1 that I have made to you today, sir.


2 SENATOR WARNER: So you will not confirm or
3 deny the existence of a memo?
4 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I stand by the comments I
5 have made to you today, sir.
6 SENATOR WARNER: I think it will be
7 essential, Mr. Chairman, that that other individual
8 who served our country as well with great
9 distinction, who's no longer a member of the
10 Administration, has the chance to relay his version
11 of those facts.
12 Again, I understand --
13 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Yes, sir.
14 SENATOR WARNER: -- your position, but I
15 hope you'll also understand the enormous need for
16 the American public to know. You've got the
17 Administration saying there's no "there" there, we
18 have these reports, and yet we can't get
19 confirmation.
20 I want to go to you, Director Coats. When
21 you appeared before SASC, you said, and I quote: If
22 called before the investigative committee, I

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1 certainly will provide them with what I know and


2 what I don't know.
3 I have great respect for you served on this
4 committee. I remember as well when we confirmed
5 you, and I was proud to support your confirmation,
6 you said that you would cooperate with this
7 committee in any aspects that we request of the
8 Russia investigation.
9 We now have press reports, and you can lay
10 them to rest if they're not true, but we have press
11 reports of not once, but twice, that the President
12 of the United States asked you to either downplay
13 the Russian investigation or to directly intervene
14 with Director Comey.
15 Can you set the record straight about what
16 happened or didn't happen?
17 DIRECTOR COATS: Well, Senator, as I
18 responded to a similar question during my
19 confirmation in a second hearing before the
20 committee, I do not feel it's appropriate for me to,
21 in a public session in which confidential
22 conversations between the President and myself, I

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1 don't believe it's appropriate for me to address


2 that in a public session.
3 SENATOR WARNER: Gentlemen, I understand --
4 DIRECTOR COATS: I stated that before and
5 I --
6 SENATOR WARNER: I thought you also said at
7 SASC, if brought before the investigative committee,
8 you would, quote: Certainly provide them with what
9 I know and what I don't know.
10 We are before that investigative committee.
11 DIRECTOR COATS: Well, I stand by my
12 previous statement, that we are in a public session
13 here, and I do not feel that it's appropriate for me
14 to address confidential information. Most of the
15 information I've shared with the President,
16 obviously, is directed toward intelligence matters
17 during our Oval briefings every morning at the White
18 House or most mornings when both the President and I
19 are in town.
20 But for intelligence related matters or any
21 other matters that have been discussed, it is my
22 belief that it's inappropriate for me to share that

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1 with the public.


2 SENATOR WARNER: Gentlemen, I respect all of
3 your service, and I understand and respect your
4 commitment to the Administration you're serving. We
5 will have to bring forward that other individual
6 about whether the existence of the memo that may
7 document some of the facts that took place in the
8 conversation between the President and Admiral
9 Rogers.
10 But I would only ask, as we go forward, this
11 will be my final comment, Mr. Chairman, that we also
12 have to weigh in here the public's absolute need to
13 know. They're wondering what's going on. They're
14 wondering what type of activities. We see this
15 pattern that without confirmation or denial appears
16 that the President, not once, not twice, but we will
17 hear from Director Comey tomorrow, this pattern
18 where the President seems to want to interfere or
19 downplay or halt the ongoing investigation, not only
20 that the Justice Department's taking on, but this
21 committee's taking on. And I hope as we move
22 forward on this you'll realize the importance that

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1 the American public deserves to get the answers to


2 these questions.
3 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
4 DIRECTOR COATS: Well, Senator, I would like
5 to respond to that, if I could.
6 First of all, I'm always -- I told you, and
7 I committed to the committee, that I would be
8 available to testify before the committee. I don't
9 think this is the appropriate venue to do this in,
10 given that this is an open hearing, and a lot of
11 confidential information relative to intelligence or
12 other matters. I just don't feel it's appropriate
13 for me to do that in this situation.
14 And then, secondly, when I was asked
15 yesterday to respond to a piece that I was told was
16 going to be written and printed in the Washington
17 Post this morning, my response to that was, in my
18 time of service, which is interacting with the
19 President of the United States or anybody in his
20 Administration, I have never been pressured, I've
21 never felt pressure to intervene or interfere in any
22 way with shaping intelligence in a political way or

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1 in relationship to an ongoing investigation.


2 SENATOR WARNER: All I'll say, Director
3 Coats, is there was a chance here to lay to rest
4 some of these press reports. If the President is
5 asking you to intervene or downplay -- you may not
6 have felt pressure, but if he's even asking, to me,
7 that is a very relevant piece of information. And,
8 again, at least in terms of the conversation with
9 Admiral Rogers, I think we will get at least some --
10 another individual's version, but at some point
11 these facts have to come out.
12 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
13 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Risch.
14 SENATOR JAMES RISCH (R-ID): Well, thank you
15 very much, Mr. Chairman.
16 Thank you Senator Coats -- excuse me,
17 Director Coats and Admiral Rogers for your
18 testimony, with all due respect to my colleague from
19 Virginia, I think you have cleared up a --
20 substantially, your direct testimony that you have
21 never been pressured by anyone, including the
22 President of the United States, to do something

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1 illegal, immoral, or anything else. Thank you for


2 that. Let's go back --
3 DIRECTOR COATS: Thank you.
4 SENATOR RISCH: Let's go back to Section
5 702, which is what this hearing was supposed to be
6 all about.
7 It's becoming patently obvious, I think
8 those of us that work in the intelligence community,
9 that we're in a different position than Europe is.
10 Europe is -- their risks are obviously very high,
11 and they're suffering these attacks on a very
12 regular basis and becoming more regular.
13 So let's talk about our collection efforts
14 versus the European collection efforts, and
15 particularly as it relates to Section 702. And,
16 obviously, we hear in the media frequently about
17 spats between us and the Europeans regarding
18 intelligence matters, but we all know that there is
19 a robust communication and cooperation between our
20 European friends and ourselves.
21 So I want to talk about it in -- I want to
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1 Director Coats, with you, and then I'll throw it up


2 for anybody else who wants to comment on this.
3 How important is 702, the continuation of
4 the Section 702 and its related parts, to doing what
5 we have been doing as far as helping the Europeans
6 and the Europeans helping us and doing the things
7 that we're doing here in America to see that we
8 don't have the kind of situations that have been
9 recently happening in Europe?
10 Director Coats, start with you.
11 DIRECTOR COATS: Well, having just returned
12 a few weeks ago from major capitals in Europe and
13 discussing this very issue with my counterparts
14 throughout the intelligence communities of these
15 various countries, they voluntarily, before I could
16 even ask the question, expressed extreme gratitude
17 for the ability -- for the information we have been
18 able to share with them relative to threats.
19 Numerous threats have been avoid on the
20 basis of collection that we have received through
21 702 authorities, and our notification of them of
22 these impending threats, and they have been deterred

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1 or intercepted. Unfortunately, what has happened


2 just recently, particularly in England, shows that
3 regardless of how good we are, there are bad actors
4 out there that have bypassed the more concentrated
5 large attack efforts and taken it either through
6 inspiration or direction from ISIS or other
7 terrorist groups, have chosen to take violent action
8 against the citizens of those countries.
9 The purpose of the trip was to ensure them
10 that we would continue to work and share together.
11 Their collection activities, capabilities in many
12 cases are good, but in some cases lack the ability
13 that we have. And so this ability to share
14 information with them that helps keep their people
15 safe also is highly valued by them.
16 But I don't think we should take for granted
17 that just because Europe has been the recent target
18 of these attacks, that the United States is safe
19 from that. We know through intelligence that
20 there's plotting going on, and we know that there's
21 lone wolf issues and individuals that are taking
22 instructions from ISIS through social media, or that

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1 for whatever reason are copycatting what is


2 happening. And so that threat exists here also.
3 And let me lastly say that the nations I've
4 talked to, many of which have been extremely
5 concerned about violating privacy rights, have
6 initiated new procedures and legislation and
7 mandates relatively to getting the intelligence
8 agencies better collection because they think it --
9 they need it to protect their citizens.
10 SENATOR RISCH: Thank you very much.
11 In just a few seconds that I've got left,
12 Mr. Rosenstein, could you -- could you tell me,
13 please -- we get a lot of pushback from the privacy
14 people, and we've now heard testimony that there's
15 been no intentional violation over the ten years.
16 Could you tell the American people what's in
17 store for someone who these guys catch intentionally
18 misusing 702, since you're the highest ranking
19 member of the Department of Justice.
20 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Yes, Senator.
21 I can assure you, Senator, that in the
22 Department of Justice, we treat with great

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1 seriousness any allegations of violations regarding


2 classified information. So if there were a credible
3 allegation that someone had willfully violated
4 Section 702 in a way that was in violation of a
5 criminal law, we would investigate that case, and if
6 prosecution were justified, we would prosecute it.
7 I know Director McCabe shares with me that
8 commitment. We recognize that we have an obligation
9 to the American people, to make sure that these
10 authorities are used appropriately and responsibly,
11 and we comply with the Constitution and the laws and
12 the procedures, and we're committed to devote
13 whatever resources are required to make sure that if
14 there are willful violations, people are held
15 accountable for them.
16 SENATOR RISCH: And this is your commitment
17 and the Department of Justice's commitment to the
18 American people?
19 MR. ROSENSTEIN: That's correct.
20 SENATOR RISCH: Thank you, Mr. Rosenstein.
21 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Feinstein.
22 SENATOR DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D-CA): Thanks.

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1 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.


2 Just a couple of comments on Section 702.
3 It's a program that I support. It's a program that
4 I believe has worked well. It's a big program.
5 It's an important one. It is a content collection
6 program involving both Internet and phone
7 communications, so it can raise concerns about
8 privacy and civil liberties.
9 In the year 2016, there were 106,469
10 authorized targets out of 3 billion Internet users.
11 That's the ratio. The question of unmasking has
12 been raised. It's my understanding that 1,939 U.S.
13 person identities were unmasked in 2016 based on
14 collection that occurred under Section 702.
15 So my question is going to be the following,
16 and I'll ask it all together, and, hopefully, you'll
17 answer it.
18 I would like a description of the
19 certification process and the use of an amicus. I
20 would like your response to the fact that the
21 question -- the program sunsets after five years,
22 about raising that sunset versus no sunset because

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1 of the privacy concerns. It's my belief there


2 should be a sunset, and the use of an amicus, which
3 is currently used as part of the certification
4 process, and whether that should be continued and
5 formalized.
6 So, Admiral, it's -- program's under your
7 auspices.
8 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I -- If I could, DOJ is
9 going to be smarter on the amicus piece.
10 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: Okay.
11 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Please. Would you take
12 that piece and I'll --
13 MR. ROSENSTEIN: I'm not sure I am smarter
14 on the amicus piece, Senator. I can tell you this,
15 though. With regard to the question of unmasking,
16 this is actually primarily a question not for the
17 department. The determination is made by the
18 intelligence agencies, if there is a situation where
19 a foreign person has been communicating about an
20 American person, and a decision's made whether or
21 not the identity of the American person is necessary
22 in order for that intelligence to be properly used.

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1 I think what's important for people to


2 recognize, Senator, is that's an internal issue.
3 That unmasking is done internally within the cloak
4 of confidentiality within the intelligence
5 community. That's a different issue from leaks. In
6 other words, if somebody's identity is disclosed
7 internally because it's relevant for intelligence
8 purposes, because that's the goal of this collection
9 is to understand --
10 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: Mr. Rosenstein, let me
11 just tell you, I just listened to somebody who
12 should have known better talking about unmasking in
13 a political sense, that it's done politically. And
14 that, of course, is not the case. And so what I'm
15 looking for is the definition of how this is done
16 and under what circumstances.
17 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Right. And I think,
18 Senator, because that's really a decision made by
19 the IC --
20 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I can do that.
21 MR. ROSENSTEIN: -- not by the department,
22 it would be appropriate for them to respond to that.

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1 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I can do that.


2 So with respect to unmasking, the following
3 criterias apply: First, for the National Security
4 Agency, we define in writing who has the authority
5 to unmask a U.S. person identity. That is 20
6 individuals in 12 different positions. I am one of
7 the 20 in one of those 12 positions, the director.
8 Secondly, we outline in writing what the
9 criteria that we'll be applied to a request to
10 unmask, in a report, and, again, part of our process
11 under 702, to protect the identity of U.S. persons
12 as part of our minimization procedures, when we
13 think we need to reference a U.S. person in a
14 report, we will not use a name, we will not use an
15 identity. We will say, "U.S. person 1," "U.S.
16 person 2," "U.S. person 3." That report is then
17 promulgated.
18 Some of the recipients of that report will
19 sometimes come back to us and say, "I am trying to
20 understand what I'm reading. Can you tell us who is
21 person one or person two, et cetera." We apply two
22 criteria in response to their request. Number one,

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1 you must make the request in writing. Number two,


2 the request must be made on the basis of your
3 official duties, not the fact that you just find
4 this report really interesting, and you're just
5 curious. It has to tangibly tie to your job. And
6 then, finally -- I said two, but there's a third
7 criterion, and that is the basis of the request must
8 be that you need this identity to understand the
9 intelligence you're reading.
10 We apply those three criteria, we do it in
11 writing and one of those 20 individuals then agrees
12 or disagrees. And if we unmask, we go back to that
13 entity who requested it, not every individual who
14 received the report, but that one entity who asked
15 for us, we then provide them the U.S. identity and
16 we also remind them the classification of this
17 report and the sensitivity of that identity remains
18 in place. By revealing this U.S. person to you, we
19 are doing it to help you understand the
20 intelligence, not, not, so that you can use that
21 knowledge indiscriminately. It must remain
22 appropriately protected.

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1 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: Thank you.


2 DIRECTOR COATS: And, Senator, if I could
3 just add something to that. Given the nature of
4 this issue, and it's a legitimate question that
5 you've asked, I've talked with my colleagues at NSA
6 and CIA, FBI, and so forth, and suggesting that we
7 might ask our civil liberties and privacy protection
8 agencies to take a look at this, to see if
9 they're -- Admiral Roger's laid out the procedures.
10 Are these the right procedures? Should we be doing
11 something different? Would they have
12 recommendations that better protected people from
13 misuse of this? So -- and they've all agreed to do
14 that. So I think it's a legitimate issue to
15 follow-up on. I've talked to the agency heads about
16 doing so, and they're willing to do it.
17 ADMIRAL ROGERS: And if I could, I also have
18 an internal review that I have directed. Given all
19 the attention, given the focus, let's step back,
20 let's reassess it, and let's ask ourselves, is there
21 anything that would suggest we need to do something
22 different in the process.

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1 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: Good, good. Thank you.


2 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Mr. Chairman, with your
3 permission, I'd like to more thoroughly answer the
4 first question the Senator asked, which is Senator
5 Feinstein, my understanding is that an amicus was
6 used in 2015. That decision was made by the court.
7 It's the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court,
8 which has the statutorily authority, if the Court
9 believes it's appropriate in a particular case to
10 appoint an amicus. So my understanding is that was
11 done in 2015. Thank you.
12 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: Well, would you feel it
13 would be helpful to make it a part of the regular
14 certification process?
15 MR. ROSENSTEIN: My understanding, Senator,
16 is that the statute permits the court to do it, if
17 the court believes it's appropriate. So I believe
18 the court has that authority, and I leave it to the
19 judges to decide when it's appropriate to exercise
20 that.
21 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: Thank you. Thanks, Mr.
22 Chairman.

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1 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Rubio.


2 SENATOR MARCO RUBIO (R-FL): Thank you all
3 for being here.
4 I understand fully the need of the President
5 of the United States to be able to have
6 conversations with members of the intelligence
7 community that are protected, particularly in a
8 classified setting. I also understand that the
9 ability of this community to function depends both
10 on its credibility, that it's work that it's doing
11 is in the national security interest of the United
12 States, and also the importance of its independence,
13 that it is not an extension of politics, no matter
14 which Administration is at play. In the absence of
15 either one of those two things impacts everything we
16 do, including this debate we're having here today.
17 And the challenge that we have now is that
18 while the folks here with us this morning are
19 constrained in what they can say, there are people
20 that work -- apparently work for you that are not,
21 and are constantly speaking to the media about
22 things, and saying things, and it puts the Congress

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1 in a very difficult position because the issue of


2 oversight on both your independence and on your
3 credibility falls on us. And I actually think if
4 what is being said to the media is untrue, then it
5 is unfair to the President of the United States.
6 And if it is, if it is true, it is something that
7 the American people need to know, and, we, as an
8 oversight committee, need to know in order to
9 conduct our job.
10 My questions are geared toward Director
11 Coats and Admiral Rogers.
12 You have testified that you have never felt
13 pressured or threatened by the President or by
14 anyone to influence any ongoing investigation by the
15 FBI. Are you prepared to say that you have never
16 felt -- that you've never been asked by the
17 President or the White House to influence an ongoing
18 investigation?
19 DIRECTOR COATS: Well, Senator, I just hate
20 to keep repeating this, but I'm going to do it. I
21 am willing to come before the committee and tell you
22 what I know and what I don't know. What I'm not

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1 willing to do is to share what I think is


2 confidential information that ought to be protected
3 in an open hearing. And so I'm not prepared to
4 answer your question today.
5 ADMIRAL ROGERS: And I --
6 SENATOR RUBIO: Director Coats, I'll just,
7 with the incredible respect that I have for you, I
8 am not asking for classified information. I am
9 asking whether or not you have ever been asked by
10 anyone to influence an ongoing investigation.
11 DIRECTOR COATS: I understand, but I'm just
12 not going to go down that road --
13 SENATOR RUBIO: Admiral --
14 DIRECTOR COATS: -- in a public forum.
15 And I also was asked the question if the
16 special prosecutor called upon me to meet with him
17 to ask his questions, I said I would be willing to
18 do that.
19 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I like-wise stand by my
20 previous comment.
21 SENATOR RUBIO: Okay. Well, then in the
22 interest of time, let me ask both of you: Has

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1 anyone ever asked you, now or in the past, this


2 Administration or any Administration, to issue a
3 statement that you knew to be false?
4 ADMIRAL ROGERS: For me, I stand by my
5 previous statement. I've never been directed to do
6 anything in the course of my three plus years as the
7 director of the national security --
8 SENATOR RUBIO: Not directed. Asked.
9 ADMIRAL ROGERS: -- that I felt to be
10 inappropriate, nor have I felt pressured to do so.
11 SENATOR RUBIO: Have you ever been asked to
12 say something that isn't true?
13 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I stand by my previous
14 statement, sir.
15 SENATOR RUBIO: Director Coats?
16 DIRECTOR COATS: I do, like-wise.
17 SENATOR RUBIO: Well, let me ask this of
18 everyone on this panel: Is anyone aware of any
19 effort by anyone, in the White House or elsewhere,
20 to seek advice on how to influence any
21 investigation?
22 MR. ROSENSTEIN: My answer is absolutely no,

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1 Senator.
2 SENATOR RUBIO: No one has anything to add
3 to that?
4 VOICE: I don't understand the question.
5 SENATOR RUBIO: The question is, are you
6 aware of any efforts by anyone in the White House or
7 the executive branch looking for advice from other
8 members of the intelligence community about how to
9 potentially influence an investigation?
10 MR. McCABE: You talking about me? No.
11 ADMIRAL ROGERS: No.
12 SENATOR RUBIO: Okay. Who wants to answer?
13 I'm sorry.
14 MR. McCABE: I'm not sure I understand the
15 question, but if you're asking whether we -- I'm
16 aware of requests to other people in the
17 intelligence community, I am not.
18 SENATOR RUBIO: Seeking advice on how it
19 could potentially influence someone, you're not
20 aware --
21 MR. McCABE: I'm not aware --
22 SENATOR RUBIO: -- of anyone ever saying or

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1 reporting that to you?


2 MR. McCABE: No, sir.
3 SENATOR RUBIO: Has anyone ever come forward
4 and said, "I just got a call from someone at the
5 White House asking me, what is the best way to
6 influence someone on an investigation"?
7 DIRECTOR COATS: I've never received
8 anything.
9 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I have no direct knowledge
10 of such a call.
11 SENATOR RUBIO: There was an allegation made
12 in one of the press reports, and that's why I ask.
13 On a separate topic -- I'm sorry? Who does? Mr.
14 Rosenstein?
15 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Confusion, Senator, we just
16 want to make sure we're clear on the question. The
17 answer is no, as I understand it, but I'm not sure
18 I'm familiar with the particular media report that
19 you're referring to.
20 SENATOR RUBIO: All right. I'm running out
21 of time. I do want to ask this because this is
22 important: Did the NSA routinely and extensively

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1 and repeatedly violate the rules that were put in


2 place in 2011 to minimize the risk of collection of
3 upstream information?
4 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Have we had compliance
5 incidents? Yes.
6 Have we reported every one of those to the
7 court? Yes.
8 Have we reported those to our congressional
9 oversight in Congress? Yes.
10 Have we reported those to the Department of
11 Justice and the director of national intelligence?
12 Yes.
13 SENATOR RUBIO: Did -- under the Obama
14 Administration, was there a significant uptick in
15 efforts on incidents of unmasking, from 2012 to
16 2016?
17 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I don't know that. I'd
18 have to take that for the record, to be honest.
19 SENATOR RUBIO: Who would know that?
20 ADMIRAL ROGERS: We have the data, but I
21 don't know that off the top of my head. I couldn't
22 tell you, unmasking, on a year by year basis for the

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1 last five years. I apologize. I just don't know


2 off the top of my head.
3 SENATOR RUBIO: Thank you.
4 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Wyden.
5 SENATOR RONALD LEE WYDEN (D-OR): Thank you
6 very much, Mr. Chairman.
7 I've noted the conversations you've had with
8 my colleagues with respect to the content of
9 conversations that you may have had with the
10 President. My question's a little different.
11 Did any of you four write memos, take notes,
12 or otherwise record yours or any one else's
13 interactions with the President related to the
14 Russia investigation?
15 DIRECTOR COATS: I don't take any notes.
16 SENATOR WYDEN: Let's just get the four of
17 you on the record.
18 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Senator, I rarely take
19 notes. I've actually taken a few today, but I'm not
20 going to answer questions concerning the Russian
21 investigation. I think it's important for you to
22 understand, when I --

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1 SENATOR WYDEN: Not on whether you wrote a


2 memo.
3 MR. ROSENSTEIN: I'm not going to answer any
4 questions, Senator --
5 SENATOR WYDEN: Okay.
6 MR. ROSENSTEIN: -- about the Russia --
7 SENATOR WYDEN: My time's going to be short.
8 Whether you wrote a memo, notes, anything?
9 MR. McCABE: I also am not going to comment
10 on any conversations I may have had or notes taken
11 or not taken relative to the Russia investigation.
12 SENATOR WYDEN: Okay.
13 ADMIRAL ROGERS: And the like-wise, I take
14 the same position.
15 SENATOR WYDEN: Director Coats, on March
16 23rd, you testified to the Armed Services Committee
17 that you were not aware of the President or White
18 House personnel contacting anyone in the
19 intelligence community with a request to drop the
20 investigation into General Flynn.
21 Yesterday the Washington Post reported that
22 you had been asked by the President to intervene

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1 with Director Comey to back off of the FBI's focus


2 on General Flynn. Which one of those is accurate?
3 DIRECTOR COATS: Senator, I will say once
4 again, I'm not going to get into any discussion on
5 that in an open hearing.
6 SENATOR WYDEN: Both of them can't be
7 accurate, Mr. Director.
8 Mr. Director, as recently as April, you
9 promised Americans that you would provide what you
10 called a relevant metric for the number of
11 law-abiding Americans who were swept up in the FISA
12 702 searches. This morning you went back on that
13 promise, and you said that even putting together a
14 sampling, a statistical estimate, would jeopardize
15 national security.
16 I think that is a very, very damaging
17 position to stake out. We're going to battle it out
18 in the course of this, because there are a lot of
19 Americans who share our view that security and
20 liberty are not mutually exclusive. We can have
21 both. And you rejected that this morning. You went
22 back on a pledge, and I think it is damaging to the

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1 public.
2 Now let me --
3 DIRECTOR COATS: Senator, can I answer the
4 question?
5 SENATOR WYDEN: Mr. Director, my time is
6 short, and I want to ask you about one other 702 --
7 DIRECTOR COATS: Well, I would like to
8 answer your question.
9 SENATOR WYDEN: Briefly.
10 DIRECTOR COATS: What I pledged to you in my
11 confirmation hearing is that I would make every
12 effort to try to find out why we were not able to
13 come to a specific number of collection on U.S.
14 persons. I told you I would consult with Admiral
15 Rogers. I told you I would go to the National
16 Security Agency to try to determine whether or not I
17 was able to do that. I went out there, I talked to
18 them. They went through the technical details.
19 There were extensive efforts on the part
20 of -- I learned, on the parts of NSA to try to come
21 to get you an appropriate answer. We were not able
22 to do that.

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1 SENATOR WYDEN: Mr. Director, respectfully,


2 that's not what you said. You said, and I quote:
3 We are working to produce a relevant metric.
4 Now let me go to my other question.
5 DIRECTOR COATS: But we were not able to do
6 that, to achieve it.
7 SENATOR WYDEN: You told --
8 DIRECTOR COATS: So working to do it is
9 different than doing it.
10 SENATOR WYDEN: You told the American people
11 that even a statistical sample would be jeopardizing
12 America's national security. That is inaccurate,
13 and I think detrimental to the cause of ensuring we
14 have both security and liberty.
15 Now here's my other question: We are trying
16 to sort out --
17 VOICE: Can the witness respond?
18 SENATOR WYDEN: -- who are the targets --
19 VOICE: Apparently not.
20 SENATOR WYDEN: -- who are the targets of a
21 702 investigation.
22 Director Comey gave three different answers

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1 in a hearing a month ago. And I think it would be


2 very helpful if you would tell us who, in fact, is a
3 target of these investigations? I want to go after
4 serious foreign threats, but we don't know as of
5 now, with Director Comey having given three
6 different answers, who the targets are.
7 Mr. Director?
8 DIRECTOR COATS: Well, I can't speak for
9 director -- former Director Clapper. Targets, as I
10 understand, are non-U.S. persons. Foreign
11 individuals are the targets. And 702 is directed
12 and prohibited from directing targets on U.S.
13 persons.
14 SENATOR WYDEN: My time is up. I will tell
15 you, Director Comey gave three answers. He finally
16 said, "I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I
17 think it's confined to counterterrorism, to
18 espionage," and finally he said he didn't think a
19 diplomat could be targeted.
20 So we need you all in addition to protecting
21 the liberties of the American people, to tell us who
22 the targets are.

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1 Thank you, Chairman.


2 DIRECTOR COATS: Well, I would like to
3 respond to that by saying some of those targets are
4 classified, highly classified.
5 SENATOR WYDEN: I understand that.
6 DIRECTOR COATS: Some of those targets, by
7 revealing those names of those targets, release the
8 methods that we use, and then is turned against us,
9 and could cost the lives or put some of our agents
10 in significant --
11 SENATOR WYDEN: Director Comey listed a
12 number of targets, which is why there's confusion.
13 He said that on the record. We need you to tell us
14 on the record as well, consistent with protecting
15 sources and methods.
16 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Collins?
17 SENATOR SUSAN COLLINS (R-ME): Thank you,
18 Mr. Chairman.
19 Director Coats, first let me thank you for a
20 very cogent explanation of Section 702 and the fact
21 that it cannot be used to target any person located
22 in the United States, whether or not that person is

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1 an American. I think there's a lot of confusion


2 about Section 702, and I appreciate your clear
3 explanation --
4 DIRECTOR COATS: Thank you.
5 SENATOR COLLINS: -- this morning.
6 I have a question for each of you that I
7 would like to ask, and I want to start with Admiral
8 Rogers.
9 Admiral Rogers, did anyone at the White
10 House direct you on how to responded today or to --
11 were there discussions of executive privilege?
12 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Have I asked the White
13 House, is it their intent to invoke executive
14 privilege? Yes. The answer I gave you to today
15 reflects my answer. No one else.
16 SENATOR COLLINS: Director Coats?
17 DIRECTOR COATS: My answer is exactly the
18 same.
19 SENATOR COLLINS: Deputy Attorney General
20 Rosenstein?
21 MR. ROSENSTEIN: I have not had any
22 communications with the White House about invoking

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1 executive privilege today.


2 SENATOR COLLINS: Director McCabe?
3 MR. McCABE: I have not had any
4 conversations with the White House about executive
5 privilege today either.
6 SENATOR COLLINS: Admiral Rogers, in January
7 the FBI, the CIA, and NSA jointly issued an
8 intelligence committee assessment on Russian
9 involvement in the presidential elections. The --
10 you've testified today that the IC relied in part on
11 702 authorities to support its conclusion that the
12 Russians were involved in trying to influence the
13 2016 elections.
14 Can you provide us with an update on NSA's
15 further work in this area?
16 ADMIRAL ROGERS: In terms of the Russian
17 efforts?
18 SENATOR COLLINS: Yes.
19 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Yes, ma'am.
20 We continue to focus analytic and collection
21 effort, trying to generate insights as to what the
22 Russians and others are doing, particularly with

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1 respect to efforts against U.S. infrastructure, U.S.


2 processes like elections. We continue to generate
3 insights on a regular basis. If my memory is right,
4 I testified before the SIC, we did open threat
5 assessment, and in that hearing, which I think was
6 the 11th of May, I reiterated we continue to see the
7 similar activity that we identified and highlighted
8 in the January report. Those trends continue, much
9 of that activity continues.
10 SENATOR COLLINS: It's my understanding that
11 President Obama requested the report that was issued
12 in January. Is that correct?
13 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Yes, ma'am. He asked for a
14 consolidated single input from the IC as to the
15 question, did the Russians or did they not attempt
16 to influence the U.S. election process.
17 SENATOR COLLINS: So could you explain the
18 difference between the requests from President Obama
19 for that unclassified assessment and the allegations
20 that President Trump requested that you publicly
21 report on whether or not there was any intelligence
22 that -- concerning collusion between the Russians

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1 and the members of the Trump campaign, President


2 Trump's campaign?
3 ADMIRAL ROGERS: So I apologize. I guess
4 I'm confused by the question. I'm not going to
5 comment on any interactions with the President. I
6 just don't feel that that is appropriate. As I
7 previously testified, I stand by that report.
8 SENATOR COLLINS: Let me ask a broader
9 question that I truly am trying to get a handle on,
10 and that is, how does the intelligence community
11 reach a decision on whether or not to comply with
12 the requests that comes from the President of the
13 United States? Obviously, you report to the
14 President of the United States, and I'm interested
15 in what process you go through to decide whether or
16 not to undertake a task that's been assigned by the
17 President, by any president?
18 ADMIRAL ROGERS: So off the top of my head,
19 I would say, we comply unless we have reason to
20 believe that we are being directed to do something
21 that is illegal, immoral, or unethical.
22 SENATOR COLLINS: Thank you.

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1 ADMIRAL ROGERS: In that case, we will not


2 execute that.
3 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Heinrich?
4 SENATOR MARTIN HEINRICH (D-NM): Director
5 McCabe, did Director Comey ever share details of his
6 conversations with the President with you? In
7 particular, did Director Comey say that the
8 President had asked for his loyalty?
9 MR. McCABE: Sir, I'm not going to comment
10 on conversations the director may have had with the
11 President. I know he's here to testify in front of
12 you tomorrow. You'll have an opportunity to ask him
13 those questions --
14 SENATOR HEINRICH: I'm asking you, did you
15 have that conversation with Director Comey?
16 MR. McCABE: And I've responded that I'm not
17 going to comment on those conversations.
18 SENATOR HEINRICH: Why not?
19 MR. McCABE: Because for two reasons.
20 First, the -- as I mentioned, I'm not in a position
21 to talk about conversations that Director Comey may
22 or may not have had with the President --

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1 SENATOR HEINRICH: I'm not asking you that.


2 I'm asking about conversations that you had with
3 Director Comey.
4 MR. McCABE: And I think that those matters
5 also begin to fall within the scope of issues being
6 investigated by the special counsel and wouldn't be
7 appropriate for me to comment on those today.
8 SENATOR HEINRICH: So you're not invoking
9 executive privilege, and, obviously, it's not
10 classified. This is the oversight committee. Why
11 would it not be appropriate for you to share that
12 conversation with us?
13 MR. McCABE: I think I'll let Director Comey
14 speak for himself tomorrow in front of this
15 committee.
16 SENATOR HEINRICH: We certainly look forward
17 to that, but I think you're unwillingness to share
18 that conversation is an issue.
19 Director Coats, you've said as well that it
20 would be inappropriate to answer a simple question
21 about whether the President asked for your
22 assistance in blunting the Russian investigation.

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1 I don't care how you felt, I'm not asking


2 whether you felt pressured. I'm simply asking, did
3 that conversation occur?
4 DIRECTOR COATS: And once again, Senator, I
5 will say that I do believe it's inappropriate for me
6 to discuss that in an open session.
7 SENATOR HEINRICH: You realize -- and,
8 obviously, this is not releasing any classified
9 information, but you realize how simple it would
10 simply be to say, "No, that never happened"? Why is
11 it inappropriate, Director Coats?
12 DIRECTOR COATS: I think conversations
13 between the President and myself are, for the most
14 part --
15 SENATOR HEINRICH: You seem to apply that
16 standard selectively.
17 DIRECTOR COATS: No, I'm not applying it
18 selectively. I'm just saying I don't think it's
19 appropriate --
20 SENATOR HEINRICH: You can clear an awful
21 lot up by simply saying it never happened.
22 DIRECTOR COATS: I don't share -- I do not

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1 share with the general public conversations that I


2 have with the President or many of my colleagues
3 within the Administration that I believe are --
4 should not be shared.
5 SENATOR HEINRICH: Well, I think your
6 unwillingness to answer a very basic question speaks
7 volumes.
8 DIRECTOR COATS: It's not a matter of
9 unwillingness, Senator --
10 SENATOR HEINRICH: Mr. Rosenstein -- it is a
11 matter of unwillingness --
12 DIRECTOR COATS: It's a matter of how I
13 share it and with whom I share it to. And when
14 there are ongoing investigations, I think it's
15 inappropriate to involved in that --
16 SENATOR HEINRICH: So you don't think the
17 American people deserve to know the answer to that
18 question?
19 DIRECTOR COATS: I think the investigations
20 will determine that. And you're part of the
21 investigation.
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1 know when you wrote the memo that was used as the
2 primary justification for firing Director Comey that
3 the Administration would be using it as the primary
4 justification?
5 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Senator, I know you're
6 aware, I have -- there are a number of documents
7 associated with me that are in the public record.
8 The memorandum I wrote concerning Director Comey is
9 in the public record. The order appointing the
10 special counsel is in the public record. The press
11 release I issued accompanying that order is in the
12 public record and a written version of the statement
13 that I delivered to --
14 SENATOR HEINRICH: Were you aware that --
15 MR. ROSENSTEIN: 100 United States --
16 SENATOR HEINRICH: -- the primary
17 justification for his firing --
18 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Pardon me, Senator.
19 SENATOR HEINRICH: -- by the administration?
20 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Pardon me, Senator. 100
21 United States Senators and 435 Congressmen is in the
22 public record. I answered many questions in the

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1 closed briefings of the 100 Senators and the --


2 SENATOR HEINRICH: But you're not answering
3 this question.
4 MR. ROSENSTEIN: As I explained in those
5 briefings, Senator, I support Mr. McCabe on this.
6 We have a special counsel who is investigating, now
7 responsible for the Russian --
8 SENATOR HEINRICH: At this point you
9 filibuster better than most of my colleagues. So
10 I'm going to move on to another question and say
11 that given that the President stated that the FBI
12 director, that his firing was in response to
13 investigations into Russia, which he made very clear
14 in Lester Holt's interviews, you've talked with both
15 the President and the attorney general about this
16 firing.
17 In light of Mr. Sessions' recusal, what role
18 did the attorney general play in that firing, and
19 was it appropriate for him to write the letter that
20 he wrote in this case?
21 MR. ROSENSTEIN: I'm not trying to
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1 seconds. But I am not going to comment on that


2 matter. I'll going to leave it to Special Counsel
3 Mueller to determine whether that's within the scope
4 of his investigation, and I believe that's
5 appropriate for Mr. McCabe and me to do that --
6 SENATOR HEINRICH: Okay. So you can't
7 comment on recusal and what's inside and outside the
8 scope of that recusal?
9 VOICE: Mr. Chairman, we ought to let the
10 witness answer the question.
11 VOICE: I second the motion.
12 MR. ROSENSTEIN: I'm sorry, your specific
13 question is what's in the recusal, and my
14 understanding is the recusal you're referring to is
15 also in the public record, and I believe it speaks
16 for itself.
17 SENATOR HEINRICH: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
18 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Blunt.
19 SENATOR ROY BLUNT (R-MO): Director McCabe,
20 on May the 11th, when you were before this
21 committee, you said that there has been no effort to
22 impede the Russian investigation. Is that still

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1 your position?
2 MR. McCABE: It is, but let me clarify,
3 Senator. I think you're referring to the exchange
4 that I had with Senator Rubio. And my
5 understanding, at least my intention in providing
6 that answer, was whether or not the firing of
7 Director Comey had had a negative impact on our
8 investigation. And my response was then and is now
9 that the FBI investigated and continues to
10 investigate, and now, of course, under the rubric of
11 the special counsel, the Russian investigation in a
12 appropriate and unimpeded way. Before Director
13 Comey was fired and since he's been gone.
14 SENATOR BLUNT: Well, I think as I recall
15 that conversation, it was a discussion about whether
16 there were plenty of resources, whether the funding
17 was adequate, and what you were reported to have
18 said -- I haven't looked at the exact transcript,
19 but I have looked at the news article -- was that
20 you were aware of no effort to impede the Russian
21 investigation?
22 MR. McCABE: We did talk about resource

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1 issues and whether or not we had asked for


2 additional resources to pursue the investigation. I
3 believe my response at the time was we had not asked
4 for additional resources and that we had adequate
5 resources to pursue the investigation. That was
6 true then. It's still true today.
7 SENATOR BLUNT: And you would characterize
8 your quote as no effort to impede the Russian
9 investigation as still accurate?
10 MR. McCABE: That's correct.
11 SENATOR BLUNT: On the 702 issue, when the
12 FBI wants to -- wants to follow-up on or pursue a
13 U.S. person in or outside the United States, what
14 court do you go to to get that to happen? Do you go
15 to the FISA court as well?
16 MR. McCABE: If we are collection under 702?
17 SENATOR BLUNT: No -- well, if you're -- how
18 do you relate to 702? Do you ever seek collection
19 under 702?
20 MR. McCABE: Sure. Yes, we do. So when --
21 well, so, let me step back just a minute.
22 So, of course, when the FBI seeks electronic

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1 surveillance collection on a U.S. person, we go to


2 the FISA court and get a Title I FISA order to do
3 so. If we have an open full investigation on a
4 foreign person in a foreign place, and the
5 collection is for the purpose of collecting foreign
6 intelligence, we can nominate that person or that,
7 as we refer to it internally, the selector, whether
8 it's an e-mail address or that sort of thing, we can
9 nominate that for 702 coverage. We convey that
10 nomination to the NSA, and they pursue the coverage
11 under their authority.
12 SENATOR BLUNT: But you would be the person
13 that would pursue coverage for a U.S. person, either
14 here or outside the United States?
15 MR. McCABE: That's correct, Senator. We
16 are --
17 SENATOR BLUNT: "You" being be the FBI?
18 MR. McCABE: We are the U.S. person agency,
19 that's right.
20 SENATOR BLUNT: And, Admiral Rogers, Senator
21 Feinstein mentioned that last year 1,139 U.S.
22 persons were -- the phrase we're using now --

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1 unmasked for some purpose. Is that a number you


2 agree with?
3 ADMIRAL ROGERS: It's in the 2016 ODNI
4 generated transparency report. From memory, the
5 number's actually is 1,934, from memory.
6 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: What'd I say?
7 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I could be wrong, but --
8 SENATOR BLUNT: I'm sorry, so I misheard.
9 But 1,934 -- what would the number have been in
10 2015?
11 ADMIRAL ROGERS: To be honest, I don't know.
12 I'd have to take that one for the record. I do know
13 that we didn't start with the transparency
14 commitment that we made, partnering with the DNI, we
15 didn't start that until the latter part of 2015. So
16 the 2015 data that's blushed is a matter of public
17 record, is a subset of the entire calendar year.
18 2016 is the first calendar year where we have
19 published all the data for the entire --
20 SENATOR BLUNT: Director Coats, do you have
21 any information on that?
22 DIRECTOR COATS: Well, I've seen the number,

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1 I don't recall what it was, and I just asked my


2 staff is we have that --
3 SENATOR BLUNT: I guess what I'm asking, and
4 we can -- you can take this for the record, is was
5 there an increase in 2016? Did you have
6 significantly more requests based on your subset in
7 '15 happen in '16 than you had had before -- than
8 you had had --
9 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I don't know off the top of
10 my head, we'll take it for the record, but I will
11 say this. 702 collection has continued. The amount
12 of total collection has increased generally every
13 year. It's more and more impactful for us. It
14 generates more and more value.
15 SENATOR BLUNT: And when you have -- when
16 702 generates information that would indicate there
17 was a U.S. person involved in a -- in criminal
18 activity, what do you do with that information?
19 ADMIRAL ROGERS: If we become -- we report
20 it to either to DOJ or the FBI, because we're not a
21 criminal organization --
22 SENATOR BLUNT: And what do you do if you

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1 get that information at DOJ, Mr. Rosenstein?


2 Information from a 702 collection that clearly
3 indicates there's a crime involving a U.S. person.
4 MR. ROSENSTEIN: I hesitate only because
5 that's actually an FBI issue, so I would defer to
6 the Mr. McCabe.
7 SENATOR BLUNT: All right. Mr. McCabe?
8 MR. McCABE: Sure. So we take that
9 referral, and if that's a U.S. person, we begin to
10 build an investigation aiming towards Title I FISA
11 collection.
12 SENATOR BLUNT: With adequate protections
13 for U.S. persons and --
14 MR. McCABE: Of course.
15 SENATOR BLUNT: -- that entire chain of --
16 MR. McCABE: Of course.
17 SENATOR BLUNT: -- transmission of material.
18 MR. McCABE: That's right.
19 SENATOR BLUNT: Thank you, Chairman.
20 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator King.
21 SENATOR ANGUS KING (I-ME): Thank you, Mr.
22 Chairman.

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1 First, on 702, like Senator Feinstein, I


2 want to express my support for this important tool
3 for our intelligence agencies. I do have a concern
4 which we can discuss perhaps in closed session about
5 the process by which American names which are
6 incidentally collected are then queried. I'm
7 concerned by the distinction between "query" and
8 "search" and where we run into the Fourth Amendment.
9 It strikes me at bootstrapping to say we collected
10 it legally under 702, and then we can go and look at
11 these American persons. And I believe that the
12 Fourth Amendment imposes a warrant requirement in
13 between that step, which is not present in the
14 present process. We can discuss that at greater
15 length.
16 Mr. McCabe, I'm puzzled by your refusal to
17 answer Senator Heinrich's question about a
18 conversation you may have had with Director Comey.
19 What's the basis of your refusal to answer that
20 question?
21 MR. McCABE: Sir, as I stated, I think
22 first, I can't sit here and tell you whether or not

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1 that -- those conversations that you're referring


2 to --
3 SENATOR KING: Why not? Do you not remember
4 them?
5 MR. McCABE: No, no, no. I'm sorry, sir. I
6 can't -- I don't know whether a conversations along
7 the lines that you've described fall within the
8 purview of what the special counsel is now
9 investigating.
10 SENATOR KING: Is there some prohibition in
11 the law that I'm not familiar with that you can't
12 discuss an item that you've been asked directly a
13 question?
14 MR. McCABE: It would not be appropriate for
15 me, sir, to discuss issues that are potentially
16 within the purview of the special counsel's
17 investigation.
18 SENATOR KING: And that's the basis of your
19 refusal to answer this question?
20 MR. McCABE: Yes, sir. And that, and
21 knowing, of course, that Director Comey will be
22 sitting --

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1 SENATOR KING: So you --


2 MR. McCABE: -- behind this table tomorrow.
3 SENATOR KING: It's your position that the
4 special counsel's entitled to ask you question about
5 this, but not a Congress -- an oversight committee
6 of the United States Congress?
7 MR. McCABE: It is my position that I have
8 to be particularly careful about not stepping into
9 the special counsel's lane, as they have now been
10 authorized --
11 SENATOR KING: I don't understand why --
12 MR. McCABE: -- by the Department of Justice
13 to investigate these matters.
14 SENATOR KING: -- the special counsel's lane
15 takes precedence over the lane of the United States
16 Congress in an investigative and oversight
17 committee. Can you explain that distinction? Why
18 does special counsel get deference and not this
19 committee?
20 MR. McCABE: Sir, I'd be happy to --
21 SENATOR KING: Is there some legal basis for
22 that distinction?

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1 MR. McCABE: I would be happy to take that


2 matter back to discuss it more fully with my general
3 counsel and the department, but right now that's
4 the --
5 SENATOR KING: On the record, I would like a
6 legal justification for your refusal to answer the
7 today because I think it's a straightforward
8 question. It's not involving discussions with the
9 President, it's involving discussions with
10 Mr. Comey.
11 Gentlemen, Director Coats and Admiral
12 Rogers, I think you testified, Admiral Rogers, that
13 you did discuss today's testimony with someone in
14 the White House?
15 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I said I asked did the
16 White House intend to invoke executive privileges
17 associated with any interactions between myself and
18 the President of the United States.
19 SENATOR KING: And what was the answer to
20 that question?
21 ADMIRAL ROGERS: To be honest, I didn't get
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1 still talking.
2 SENATOR KING: So then I'll ask both of you
3 the same question: Why are you not answering these
4 questions? Is there an invocation by the President
5 of the United States of executive privilege? Is
6 there or not?
7 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Not that I'm aware of.
8 SENATOR KING: Then why are you not
9 answering our questions?
10 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Because I feel it is
11 inappropriate, Senator.
12 SENATOR KING: What you feel isn't relevant,
13 Admiral. What you feel isn't the answer.
14 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I stand accountable --
15 SENATOR KING: The question is why are you
16 not answering the question, is it an invocation of
17 executive privilege? If there is, then let's know
18 about it. If there isn't, answer the questions.
19 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I've stand by the comments
20 I've made. I'm not interested in repeating myself,
21 sir. And I don't mean that in a -- in a -- in a
22 contentious way.

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1 SENATOR KING: Well, I do mean it in a


2 contentious way.
3 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Yes, sir.
4 SENATOR KING: I don't understand why you're
5 not answering our questions. You can't -- when you
6 were -- when you were confirmed before the Armed
7 Services Committee, you took an oath: Do you
8 solemnly swear to give the committee the truth, the
9 full truth, and nothing but the truth so help you
10 God --
11 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I do.
12 SENATOR KING: -- and you answered yes to
13 that.
14 ADMIRAL ROGERS: And I've also answered that
15 those conversations were classified, and it is not
16 appropriate in an open forum to discuss those
17 classified conversations.
18 SENATOR KING: What is classified about a
19 conversation involving whether or not you should
20 intervene in the FBI investigation?
21 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Sir, I stand by my previous
22 comments.

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1 SENATOR KING: Mr. Coats, same series of


2 questions: What's the basis for your refusal to
3 answer these questions today?
4 DIRECTOR COATS: The basis is what I
5 previously explained. I do not believe it is
6 appropriate for me to --
7 SENATOR KING: What's the basis?
8 DIRECTOR COATS: -- get into --
9 SENATOR KING: I'm not satisfied with "I do
10 not believe it is appropriate" or "I do not feel I
11 should answer." I want to understand a legal basis.
12 You swore that oath to tell us the truth, the whole
13 truth, and nothing but the truth, and today you are
14 refusing to do so. What is the legal basis for your
15 refusal to testify to this committee?
16 DIRECTOR COATS: I'm not sure I have a legal
17 basis, but I'm more than willing to sit before this
18 committee during its investigative process in a
19 closed session and answer your question.
20 SENATOR KING: We'll we're going to be
21 having a closed session in a few hours. Do you
22 commit to me that you're going to answer these

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1 questions in a direct and unencumbered way?


2 DIRECTOR COATS: Well, that closed session
3 you're going to have in a few hours involves the
4 staff going over the technicalities of a number of
5 these issues and doesn't involve us. But I --
6 SENATOR KING: Well, is it your testimony
7 when you are before this committee in a closed
8 session you will answer these questions directly and
9 unequivocally and without hesitation?
10 DIRECTOR COATS: I plan to do that, but I do
11 have -- I do have to work through the legal counsel
12 at the White House relative to whether or not
13 they're going to exercise executive --
14 SENATOR KING: Admiral Rogers, will you
15 answer these questions in a closed session?
16 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I like-wise respond as the
17 DNI has. I certainly hope that that is what
18 happens. I believe that's the appropriate thing.
19 But I do have to acknowledge, because of the
20 sensitive nature and the executive privilege aspects
21 to this, I need to be talking to the general counsel
22 in the White House. I hope we come to a position

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1 where we can have this dialogue. I welcome that


2 dialogue, sir.
3 SENATOR KING: I hope so, too. And I would
4 just add in conclusion that both of you testified
5 you had never been pressured under three years. I
6 would argue that you have waived executive privilege
7 by in effect testimony -- testifying as to something
8 that didn't happen, and I believe you opened the
9 door to these questions, and I -- it is my belief
10 that you are inappropriately refusing to answer
11 these questions today.
12 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
13 CHAIRMAN BURR: Before I turn to Senator
14 Lankford, let me say that the Vice Chairman and I
15 have had conversations with Acting Attorney General
16 Rosenstein when special counsel was named. And as I
17 had shared with the members of this committee prior
18 to that, that as we carried out an investigation,
19 there would come a point in time either with the
20 investigation that was currently ongoing at the FBI,
21 or if there was a special counsel, what the special
22 counsel, where there would be avenues that this

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1 committee could not explore, and it was my hope that


2 already the Vice Chair and I would've had that
3 conversation with the special counsel. We have not.
4 We've made the request. We intend to have it, and I
5 think that both of us anticipated that we would
6 reach this point at some point in the investigation.
7 We are there, where there are some things
8 that will fall into the special counsel and/or an
9 active investigation.
10 Vice Chairman.
11 SENATOR WARNER: Let me just say, though, at
12 this point, we've not had that conversation with
13 Mr. Mueller. We've not been waived off on any
14 subject. And the way I'm hearing all of you
15 gentlemen is that Mr. Mueller has not waived you off
16 from answering any of these questions. Is that
17 correct?
18 DIRECTOR COATS: I've had no conversations
19 with Mr. Mueller. I've been out of the country for
20 the last nine days.
21 SENATOR WARNER: Have any of you -- because
22 if you've not had questions waived off with

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1 Mr. Mueller, I think, frankly, and I understand your


2 commitment to the Administration, but that Senator
3 King, Senator Heinrich, and my questions deserve
4 answers, and at some point the American public
5 deserves full answers.
6 CHAIRMAN BURR: I'm going to ask
7 Mr. Rosenstein to address that.
8 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
9 And I'm sensitive to your desire to keep our
10 answers brief, and my full answer, actually, would
11 very lengthy. But my brief answer, from my
12 perspective with the Department of Justice, and I've
13 been there 27 years, and Mr. McCabe also is a career
14 employee of the Department of Justice, our default
15 position is that when there's a Justice Department
16 investigation, we do not discuss it publicly.
17 That's our default rule, so nobody need to
18 instruct --
19 SENATOR WARNER: Is that the rule for the
20 President of the United States, as well?
21 MR. ROSENSTEIN: I don't know what --
22 SENATOR WARNER: Because that is what the

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1 questions are being asked about, reports that nobody


2 has laid to rest here that the President of the
3 United States has intervened directly in an ongoing
4 FBI investigation, and we've gotten no answer from
5 any of you. And, frankly, we've at least heard from
6 Director Coats and Admiral Rogers, that they've not
7 been asked to recuse an answer because of Director
8 Mueller, and I don't understand why we can't get
9 that answer.
10 MR. ROSENSTEIN: So I'm not answering for
11 Director Rogers or Director Coats, I'm answering for
12 Director McCabe and myself, with regard to the
13 Department of Justice.
14 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Lankford.
15 SENATOR JAMES LANKFORD (R-OK): Mr. McCabe,
16 can I ask you, do you feel confident at this point
17 the FBI's fully cooperating with special counsel for
18 any requests and communication and setting up of the
19 coordination between the offices for documents, work
20 products, insight, anything that special counsel, as
21 they're trying to get organized and get prepared for
22 the investigation as they are taking on, is everyone

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1 in the FBI fully cooperating with Special Counsel?


2 MR. McCABE: Absolutely, sir. Absolutely
3 confident of that. We have a robust relationship
4 with the special counsel's office, and we are
5 supporting them with personnel and resources in any
6 way they request.
7 SENATOR LANKFORD: Thank you.
8 Admiral Rogers, this spring, NSA decided to
9 stop doing "about" queries. That was a long
10 conversation that's happened there, it's now come
11 out in the public about that conversation, that that
12 was identified as a problem. The court agreed with
13 that, and that has been stopped.
14 What I need to ask you is, who first
15 identified that as a problem?
16 ADMIRAL ROGERS: The National Security
17 Agency did.
18 SENATOR LANKFORD: Okay. So how did you
19 report that, reported that to who, how did that
20 conversation go, once you identified, "we're
21 uncomfortable with this type"?
22 ADMIRAL ROGERS: So in 2016, I had directed

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1 our office of compliance, let's do a fundamental


2 baseline review of compliance associated with 702.
3 SENATOR LANKFORD: Okay.
4 ADMIRAL ROGERS: We completed that effort.
5 My memory is, I was briefed on something like
6 October the 20th that led me to believe the
7 technical solution that we put in place is not
8 working with the reliability that's necessary here.
9 I then, from memory, had through -- went to the
10 Department of Justice, and then on to the FISA court
11 at the end of October. I think it was something
12 like the 26th of October, and we informed the court
13 we have a compliance issue here, and we're concerned
14 that there's an underlying issue with the technical
15 solution we've put in place. We told the court we
16 were going to need some period of time to work our
17 way through that. The court granted us that time.
18 In return, the court also said, we will allow you to
19 continue 702 under the '16 authorizations, but we
20 will not, will not authorize '17 until you show us
21 that you have addressed this.
22 We then went through an internal process,

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1 interacted with the Department of Justice, as well


2 as the court, and by March we had come to a solution
3 that the FISA court was comfortable with. The court
4 then authorized us to execute that solution, and
5 also then granted us authority for the '17 702
6 effort.
7 SENATOR LANKFORD: So you reported initially
8 to the court, "this is an issue," or the court
9 initially came to you and said, "We have an issue"?
10 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I went to the court and
11 said, "We have an issue."
12 SENATOR LANKFORD: And the court said, "We
13 agree, we have a problem as well"?
14 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Check.
15 SENATOR LANKFORD: And then it got held up,
16 went through process of review, and the court is now
17 signed off on the other 16.
18 ADMIRAL ROGERS: That is correct.
19 SENATOR LANKFORD: So how -- how does this
20 harm your collection capabilities, to be able to not
21 do the "about" collections?
22 ADMIRAL ROGERS: So I -- I acknowledge that

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1 in doing this, we were going to lose some


2 intelligence value, but my concern was, I just felt
3 it was important, we needed to be able to show that
4 we were fully compliant with the law, and the
5 technical solution we had put in place I just didn't
6 think was generating the level of reliability. And
7 as a result of that, I said we need to make the
8 change.
9 I will say this, in the FISA's court opinion
10 also says the same thing. Also told the court at
11 the time, if we can work that technical solution in
12 a way it generates greater reliability, I would
13 potentially come back to the Department of Justice
14 and the court to recommend that we re-institute it.
15 In fact, the court acknowledged that in their
16 certification.
17 SENATOR LANKFORD: When you say greater
18 reliability, tell me what you mean by that.
19 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Because it was generating
20 errors. Our office of in compliance highlighted the
21 specific number of cases in 2016, and I thought to
22 myself, clearly, it's not working as we think it is.

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1 We were doing queries, unknowingly to the


2 operator, in a handful of situations against U.S.
3 persons, and I just said, "Hey, that is not in
4 accordance with the intent of the law."
5 SENATOR LANKFORD: Yeah. Clearly it's not
6 not only the intent, it's the actual statute
7 itself --
8 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Correct, right. The
9 statute.
10 SENATOR LANKFORD: -- that we protect U.S.
11 persons from --
12 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Yes, sir.
13 SENATOR LANKFORD: -- from foreign directed.
14 So what I'm hearing from you is, the
15 accountability system worked?
16 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Yes, sir.
17 SENATOR LANKFORD: That the issue rose up,
18 we're collecting, we do have information on U.S.
19 persons, we don't want to get that information.
20 Immediately the process started going through to be
21 able to stop it. The court then put the final stop
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1 cleared.
2 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Yes, sir. And, in fact,
3 we're purging the data as well. I don't know if we
4 stop doing it, but we're purging the data that we
5 had collected under the previous authorization.
6 SENATOR LANKFORD: So the issue on 702, most
7 Oklahomans that I interact with don't know the term
8 702, but if I asked them, "Should we collect
9 information on terrorist organizations and
10 terrorists overseas who are planning to carry out
11 attacks on us and our allies," they don't hesitate.
12 They say, "Absolutely, we should do that."
13 Now, they don't want collection on
14 themselves and their mom, but they absolutely want
15 us to be able to target terrorists. And so the
16 issue that I think we talk about when we talk about
17 702 on this dais, is a normal conversation back
18 home, that if we miss something internationally,
19 everyone says "I thought we were doing this. Why
20 aren't we?"
21 So I fully appreciate the civil liberties
22 conversation and the privacy questions, those are

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1 things I'm also passionate about, and it's very


2 interesting for me to be able to hear from you that
3 you're passionate about, and NSA is passionate
4 about, to make sure we're not collecting on
5 Americans. So I appreciate that.
6 And in this case when it comes out in the
7 public media that this has occurred, it actually
8 shows the system itself worked. When there was a
9 query going on that was collecting on Americans, it
10 was stopped immediately, data's purged. But we're
11 still continuing to be able to target on threats
12 internationally. And I do appreciate that. Thank
13 you. I appreciate, and yield back the time.
14 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Manchin?
15 SENATOR JOE MANCHIN (D-WV): Thank you,
16 Mr. Chairman.
17 I want to thank all four of you for your
18 service, and you all are held at the highest, I
19 think, the highest regards by your colleagues and
20 your peers, and I think that speaks volumes of the
21 character of all four of you, and I appreciate that
22 very much.

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1 We have a committee here, which I'm so proud


2 to be serving on. I'm brand new, this is my first
3 time at this, and I don't think there's a person up
4 here that doesn't want to find out the facts and the
5 truth and be able to go back home and explain to the
6 democrat and republican colleagues, and no matter
7 what political persuasion, that we have gotten the
8 facts, we got it from our Intel, which we truly
9 appreciate and respect the quality of job, work that
10 you do. And this is our findings. We're having a
11 hard time getting there, as you can tell, and I
12 respect where you all are coming from.
13 And I hope you could understand that sooner
14 or later we're going to have to. There has to be
15 one element of this government that the public can
16 look at and say, "This is not politically motivated.
17 This is not a witch hunt. No one's trying to harm
18 anybody. We just want to do the business of our
19 government and our country and do the best that we
20 can for that," and make sure they have the
21 confidence in the people that they've put at the
22 head and have elected. That's what we're trying to

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1 get to.
2 Today's been very difficult, by me sitting
3 here listening to some of the answers and inability
4 to answer some of the questions. If the
5 intelligence committee and the Senate cannot get
6 answers we know, in an open setting like this, are
7 these answers that we're asking, the questions that
8 we're simply asking, will they be given into a
9 classified Intel setting that we would have? Could
10 you answer differently than what you've given us in
11 an open session?
12 I think, Director Coats, you said you would
13 be able to answer differently in a --
14 DIRECTOR COATS: I think I've made that very
15 clear.
16 SENATOR MANCHIN: Yes.
17 DIRECTOR COATS: I've tried to.
18 SENATOR MANCHIN: Admiral Rogers, would you
19 be able --
20 ADMIRAL ROGERS: And, likewise, I certainly
21 hope so.
22 SENATOR MANCHIN: Mr. Rosenstein, would you?

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1 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Senator, speaking for


2 Mr. McCabe and myself, we have been involved in
3 managing the criminal investigation, and so I would
4 ask that, as Chairman Burr suggested, it's really
5 appropriate for Director Mueller, since we've turned
6 over control of that investigation to him, to make
7 the determination in the first instance about what
8 we can and can't speak about. So I'd encourage you
9 to use Mr. Mueller as your point person as to
10 whether or not it's appropriate to reveal that
11 information.
12 SENATOR MANCHIN: Well, let's just say that
13 the questions asked to Mr. McCabe, I think they
14 weren't anything on the investigation side. It was
15 asked personal, directly.
16 Could you answer differently in a classified
17 setting, sir?
18 MR. McCABE: I would reiterate the DAG's
19 comments, that it's at this point, with the special
20 counsel involved, it would be appropriate for the
21 committee to have an understanding with the special
22 counsel's office as to where those questions would

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1 go.
2 But I would also point out that as we have
3 historically, when we are investigating sensitive
4 matters in which operational security is of utmost
5 importance, members of the intelligence community
6 typically come and brief the leadership,
7 congressional leadership, on sensitive investigative
8 matters.
9 We have done so, I have done so, Director
10 Comey has done so prior to the appointment of the
11 special counsel, and some of the questions that you
12 have asked this morning were addressed in those
13 closed, very restricted, very small settings.
14 SENATOR MANCHIN: Let me say this: If it
15 would be the desire of the Chairman and Vice
16 Chairman, if we could, since we have a classified
17 hearing scheduled for 2:00 this afternoon, would you
18 all make yourself available, since it doesn't linger
19 on? There's been a lot of questions, a lot of
20 anticipation, a lot of build up, anxiety, if you
21 will. I think you could really help an awful lot of
22 us clear the day up, if you will.

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1 CHAIRMAN BURR: If I could address the


2 Senator's question. This afternoon is set with
3 technical people to walk us through 702. Rest
4 assured that we will take the first available
5 opportunity to have people back in closed session to
6 address those questions that they can address, and
7 hopefully prior to that the Vice Chair and I would
8 have an opportunity to meet with Director Mueller to
9 determine whether that fits within the scope of his
10 current investigation, and we will do that.
11 SENATOR MANCHIN: Well, Mr. Chairman, the
12 only thing I'm saying is I know that -- you can tell
13 by the intensity of the questions here that there's
14 a lot of concerns right now, and we have both
15 Director Coats and Admiral Rogers are willing to say
16 in a classified hearing that they would be able to
17 answer differently. That's the only reason I was
18 bringing that up, and we have the SIC this
19 afternoon. I would hope that would maybe be
20 considered.
21 Let me ask a question: Does the President
22 support Section 702 reauthorization of the FISA and

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1 expanded authority?
2 DIRECTOR COATS: Absolutely.
3 SENATOR MANCHIN: Everyone?
4 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Full support.
5 SENATOR MANCHIN: Full support there.
6 Did the President ask, or was he given any
7 specific intelligence or info concerning the Russian
8 active measures in the 2016 presidential election?
9 Was he briefed on that? Did he ask for that
10 briefing, or is it automatic briefing that you give?
11 Admiral Rogers?
12 DIRECTOR COATS: All that took place before
13 I was --
14 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I will say, yes, he was
15 briefed on the results of the intelligence community
16 assessment. I was part of that in January, prior to
17 his assuming his duties. He and I have discussed,
18 as well, the specifics of that assessment subsequent
19 to him -- after he had become the President and
20 assumed the duties.
21 SENATOR MANCHIN: Let me just say, just in
22 finishing up, I just would hope that you all with

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1 your expertise and all of your knowledge would help


2 us put closure to this sooner or later. I mean, we
3 need your help. We need your assistance. We really
4 do. And this is a committee that I think will take
5 the facts as you give them to us and decipher that
6 and come up with some appropriate action and a final
7 report, which, I think, is what the public is
8 looking for. We can't do that without your
9 assistance. Thank you.
10 DIRECTOR COATS: And, Senator, I fully
11 understand that statement, and as the chairman
12 mentioned, the procedures he's going to put in place
13 relative to when we hold that hearing and the
14 relationship it is to the official investigation
15 that's going on by Director Mueller will dictate
16 when and how we do that.
17 SENATOR MANCHIN: I think we need you in the
18 SCIF sooner than later. Thank you.
19 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Cotton.
20 SENATOR TOM COTTON (R-AR): Thank you,
21 gentlemen.
22 I want to talk about the import of Section

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1 702 to our national security. Admiral Rogers, I'll


2 direct most of these questions to you as the subject
3 matter expert on the panel on signal intelligence
4 from foreign threats, though I might turn to some of
5 our lawyers for legal questions.
6 Does Section 702, Admiral Rogers, allow you
7 to collect information on U.S. citizens?
8 ADMIRAL ROGERS: As intentionally targeted
9 individuals?
10 SENATOR COTTON: Yes. Intentionally target
11 them.
12 ADMIRAL ROGERS: No.
13 SENATOR COTTON: Does it allow you to target
14 foreigners to do what's called reverse targeting of
15 U.S. citizens, knowing those U.S. citizens are in
16 communications --
17 ADMIRAL ROGERS: No, it does not.
18 SENATOR COTTON: Does it allow you to
19 collect information of foreigners who are on U.S.
20 soil?
21 ADMIRAL ROGERS: No.
22 SENATOR COTTON: It doesn't?

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1 ADMIRAL ROGERS: 702 is outside the United


2 States.
3 SENATOR COTTON: So you can collect
4 information on an ISIS terrorist in Syria, and he
5 comes to the United States, and you can no longer
6 collect information on his cell phone or his e-mail
7 address?
8 ADMIRAL ROGERS: We're a foreign
9 intelligence Administration, we coordinate with the
10 FBI. But, yes, sir, we don't do internal domestic
11 collection broadly.
12 SENATOR COTTON: Mr. Rosenstein, do
13 foreigners have constitutional rights?
14 MR. ROSENSTEIN: When they're in the United
15 States, Senator, different rules apply, and that's
16 why I think it's important for people to understand
17 that Section 702 applies only in circumstances where
18 it's a foreign national outside the United States.
19 If they are inside the United States, we would need
20 to rely on other provisions of FISA to do that
21 collection. So, yes, we can do it, but we need to
22 apply different rules. And Mr. McCabe, as the

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1 director indicated, is responsible for that.


2 SENATOR COTTON: Mr. McCabe, what happens
3 when an ISIS terrorist comes from Syria to the
4 United States and Director Rogers -- or Admiral
5 Rogers can no longer use Section 702 to monitor his
6 electronic communications?
7 MR. McCABE: Admiral Rogers' folks notify
8 mine, and then we work together to pursue coverage
9 under different elements of the FISA statute.
10 SENATOR COTTON: I'm sure you work as hard
11 as you can to make sure that's absolutely seamless,
12 but it does seem to me that Section 702, because
13 it's limited to foreigners on foreign soil without
14 targeting any U.S. persons anywhere, goes the extra
15 mile to protect the constitutional rights of
16 American citizens, and even the supposed
17 constitutional rights of foreigners when they come
18 on U.S. soil. That's one reason why I support the
19 permanent extension of Section 702, and I introduced
20 legislation to that effect yesterday, with the
21 support of all seven republicans on this committee.
22 Tom Bossert, the counterterrorism and

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1 homeland security adviser to the President writes in


2 today's New York Times about our legislation, "the
3 Trump Administration supports this bill without
4 condition."
5 Admiral Rogers, is that your position?
6 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Could you repeat it again?
7 I apologize, sir. Mentally I was somewhere else.
8 SENATOR COTTON: Trump Administration
9 supports this bill without condition.
10 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Yes.
11 SENATOR COTTON: On a scale of one to ten,
12 how enthusiastic would you be if this bill passed?
13 You can go over ten and be excessively enthusiastic.
14 (Laughter.)
15 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I would be ecstatic that we
16 would be in a position to continue to generate
17 significant insights for this nation's security.
18 SENATOR COTTON: So you'd dial it straight
19 up to 11?
20 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Yes, sir.
21 SENATOR COTTON: Director Coats?
22 DIRECTOR COATS: My level is about 100.

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1 SENATOR COTTON: Mr. Rosenstein?


2 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Senator, I'm not familiar
3 with the rating system. I do think it's very
4 important.
5 SENATOR COTTON: Director McCabe?
6 MR. McCABE: I'm at 11.
7 SENATOR COTTON: Director Coats, you had an
8 exchange earlier with Senator Wyden about the
9 efforts to estimate and declassify the number of
10 persons who might be subject to incidental
11 collection under Section 702. This is when you have
12 a lawful 702 order, but someone does, in fact,
13 communicate with an American citizen.
14 It's my understanding that it would be
15 virtually impossible to do so in a way that wouldn't
16 further infringe on the rights of American citizens.
17 Is that correct?
18 DIRECTOR COATS: Well, that's -- yes, and
19 that's one of the central reasons why I came to the
20 conclusion, but the main reason I came to the
21 conclusion is that is -- just is not conceivably
22 possible. We could go through the procedures, we

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1 could shift hundreds of people to go over and breach


2 the rights of hundreds, if not thousands, of
3 American citizens to determine whether -- of
4 individuals to determine whether or not they are
5 American citizens or not. But we still, having done
6 that, could not get to an accurate number, the
7 number that Senator Wyden was trying to get us to.
8 My pledge to him is I would go out there,
9 try to fully understand why it was we couldn't get
10 that. They'll be detailed discussions on that on
11 the closed session with the staff and the
12 technicians from both NSA and from Senate staff here
13 and others relative to all of the efforts that have
14 been made to try to answer the question. And as I
15 said in my statement, even if we were to take people
16 off their regular jobs and say get on this issue,
17 even if we could put other measures in place, we
18 still would not be able to come up.
19 It's hard to explain how difficult this is
20 or why this is the case, but that is what is going
21 to be discussed in the closed session, because all
22 this is classified information this afternoon. I

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1 assume the staff of members, all the members here,


2 will be there, but my pledge was to do the best I
3 could to try to get to some answer, and the result
4 was we couldn't get to an answer, number one. And,
5 number two, trying to get to an answer would totally
6 disrupt the efforts of the agency.
7 Now, you know, you might be able to make the
8 case, let's hire 1,000 more people and get to the
9 answer, if you knew you would get to the answer.
10 Admiral Rogers has told me, I hope he doesn't mind
11 me saying this, that if someone out there knows how
12 to get to it, he's welcome to have them come out and
13 tell NSA how to do it. But everybody says you can
14 get to the number, it's easy, there's all kinds of
15 agencies out there that can do it. I think he might
16 welcome the advice if they wanted to do that. So it
17 really raises the question of why there has to be an
18 exact number.
19 SENATOR COTTON: Well, if we're going to
20 hire 1,000 new people, I'd sooner then focus on
21 terrorist and foreign intelligence services than
22 violating the privacy rights of citizens.

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1 My time has expired.


2 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Harris.
3 SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS (D-CA): Thank you.
4 Admiral Rogers, in response to the question
5 from Senator Manchin, you, it appears, felt free to
6 discuss the conversations you've had with the
7 President in January about Russian active measures.
8 Can you share with this committee how you're
9 determining which conversations you can share and
10 which you don't feel free to share?
11 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Ma'am, the fact that we
12 briefed the President previously, both went up to
13 New York, and previously as a matter of public
14 record.
15 SENATOR HARRIS: So if it's a matter of
16 public record, then you feel free to discuss those
17 conversations?
18 ADMIRAL ROGERS: If it's not classified.
19 You can keep trying to trip me up --
20 SENATOR HARRIS: Senator, it's not --
21 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Senator, if you could,
22 could I get to respond, please, ma'am?

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1 SENATOR HARRIS: No, sir. No. No.


2 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Okay.
3 SENATOR HARRIS: Are you saying that if it
4 is classified, you will not discuss it? And then my
5 follow-up question, obviously, would be, do you
6 believe that discussion of Russian active measures
7 is not the subject of classified information?
8 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I stand by my previous
9 comments.
10 SENATOR HARRIS: Thank you.
11 Mr. Rosenstein, when you appointed a special
12 counsel on May 17th, you stated, quote: Based upon
13 the unique circumstances, the public interest
14 requires me to place this investigation under the
15 authority of a person who exercises a degree of
16 independence from the normal chain of command.
17 The order you issued, along with that
18 statement, provides that 28 CFR-16.04-10 are
19 applicable. Those are otherwise known as the
20 special counsel regulations. Is that correct?
21 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Yes, Senator.
22 SENATOR HARRIS: And it states that the

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1 special counsel, quote, shall not be subject to the


2 day-to-day supervision of any official of the
3 department; however, the regulations permit you as
4 acting attorney general for this matter to override
5 Director Mueller's investigative and prosecutorial
6 decisions under specified circumstances. Is that
7 correct?
8 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Yes, Senator.
9 SENATOR HARRIS: And it also provides that
10 you may fire or remove Director Mueller under
11 specified circumstances; is that correct?
12 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Yes.
13 SENATOR HARRIS: And you indicated in your
14 statement that you chose a person who exercises a
15 degree of independence, not full independence, from
16 the normal chain of command.
17 So my question is this: In December of
18 2003, then attorney general John Ashcroft recused
19 himself from the investigation into the leak that
20 lead to the disclosure of Valerie Plame's identity
21 as a CIA officer. The acting attorney general at
22 the time was Jim Comey. He appointed a special

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1 counsel, Patrick Fitzgerald, to take over the


2 matter. In a letter dated December 30th of 2003,
3 Mr. Comey wrote the following to Mr. Fitzgerald,
4 quote: I direct you to exercise the authority as
5 special counsel independent of the supervision or
6 control of any officer of the department.
7 In a subsequent letter, dated February 6th,
8 2004, Mr. Comey wrote to clarify the earlier letter
9 stating that his delegation of authority to
10 Mr. Fitzgerald was, quote, plenary. Moreover, it
11 said that my, quote, conferral on you of the title
12 of special counsel in this matter should not be
13 misunderstood to suggest that your position and
14 authorities are defined or limited by 28 CFR Part
15 600.
16 Those are the special counsel regulations we
17 discussed. So, would you agree, Mr. Rosenstein, to
18 provide a letter to Director Mueller, similarly
19 providing that Director Mueller has the authority as
20 special counsel, quote, independent of the
21 supervision or control of any officer of the
22 department and ensure that Director Mueller has the

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1 authority that is plenary and not, quote, defined or


2 limited by the special counsel regulations?
3 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Senator, I'm very sensitive
4 about time, and I'd like to have a very lengthy
5 conversation and explain that all to you. I tried
6 to do that --
7 SENATOR HARRIS: Can you give me a yes or no
8 answer?
9 MR. ROSENSTEIN: -- in the closed briefing.
10 Well, it's not a short answer, Senator. It
11 is --
12 SENATOR HARRIS: It is. Either you are
13 willing to do that or not, as we have precedent in
14 that regard.
15 MR. ROSENSTEIN: But the answer --
16 VOICE: Mr. Chairman, they should be allowed
17 to answer the question.
18 MR. ROSENSTEIN: It's a long question you
19 posed, Senator, and I fully appreciate the import of
20 your question, and I'll get to the answer. My
21 quibble with you is, Pat Fitzgerald is a very
22 principled, very independent person. I have a lot

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1 of respect for him. Pat Fitzgerald could have been


2 fired by the President because he was the United
3 States Attorney. Robert Mueller cannot, because
4 he's protected by those special counsel regulations.
5 So although it's theoretically true that there are
6 circumstances where he could be removed by the
7 acting attorney general, which for this case at this
8 time is me, your assurance of his independence is
9 Robert Mueller's integrity and Andy McCabe's
10 integrity, and my integrity, and those
11 regulations --
12 SENATOR HARRIS: Sir, if I may, the greater
13 assurance is not that you and I believe in Director
14 Mueller's integrity, which I have no question about
15 Mr. Mueller's integrity. It is that you would put
16 in writing an indication based on your authority as
17 the acting attorney general that he has full
18 independence in regards to the investigations that
19 are before him.
20 Are you willing or are you not willing to
21 give him the authority to be fully independent of
22 your ability statutorily and legally to fire him?

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1 MR. ROSENSTEIN: He is -- he has --


2 SENATOR HARRIS: Yes or no, sir?
3 MR. ROSENSTEIN: He has the full
4 independence, as authorized by those regulations,
5 as, Senator, I just said --
6 SENATOR HARRIS: Are you willing to do, as
7 has been done before --
8 CHAIRMAN BURR: Would the Senator suspend.
9 The Chair is going to exercise its right to allow
10 the witnesses to answer the question. And the
11 committee is on notice to provide the witnesses the
12 courtesy, which has not been extended all the way
13 across, extend the courtesy for questions to get
14 answered.
15 SENATOR HARRIS: Mr. Chairman,
16 respectfully --
17 CHAIRMAN BURR: Mr. Rosenstein, will you --
18 SENATOR HARRIS: -- I would point out that
19 this witness has joked, as we all have --
20 CHAIRMAN BURR: The Senator will suspend.
21 SENATOR HARRIS: -- his ability to
22 filibuster.

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1 CHAIRMAN BURR: Mr. Rosenstein, would you


2 like to thoroughly answer the question?
3 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Thank you. I'm not joking.
4 The truth is, I have a lot of experience
5 with these issues, and I could give -- I could speak
6 to you for a very long time about it, and I'm
7 sympathetic, I appreciate the five-minute limit.
8 That's not my limit.
9 But the answer is, this originated, as you
10 may know, with the independent counsel statute. And
11 I worked for an independent counsel, and I worked in
12 the department during the independent counsel era.
13 When independent counsels were appointed by
14 authorization of the Senate, they were appointed by
15 federal judges, and they had the -- essentially the
16 authority of the attorney general.
17 That statute sunsetted, and the majority of
18 members of this body concluded that that was
19 appropriate because they did not want special --
20 independent counsels who were 100 percent
21 independent of the Department of Justice. That was
22 a determination made by the legislature.

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1 Now, I know the folks at the department who


2 drafted this regulation under Janet Reno, and they
3 drafted it to deal with this type of circumstance.
4 And the idea was, there would be some circumstances
5 where, because of unusual events, it was appropriate
6 to appoint somebody from outside the department, not
7 somebody like Pat Fitzgerald, who is a U.S. Attorney
8 who could be fired, but somebody from outside the
9 department who could be trusted to conduct this
10 investigation independently and could be given an
11 appropriate degree of independence.
12 Now, under the regulation, he has, I
13 believe, adequate authority to conduct this
14 investigation, and your ultimate check, Senator, is,
15 number one, the integrity of the people involved in
16 the investigation, but, number two, the fact if he
17 were overruled or if he were fired, we would be
18 required under the regulation to report to the
19 Congress. And so I believe that's an appropriate
20 check.
21 And so I realize that theoretically anybody
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1 undermining an investigation. I am confident,


2 Senator, that Director Mueller, Mr. McCabe, and I,
3 and anybody else who may fill those positions in the
4 future, will protect the integrity of that
5 investigation. That's my commitment to you, and
6 that's the guarantee that you and the American
7 people have.
8 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Cornyn.
9 SENATOR HARRIS: So is that a no?
10 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Cornyn?
11 SENATOR JOHN CORNYN (R-TX): Well, seems to
12 be one thing we all agree on at least so far based
13 on the questions and the comments, and that is the
14 702 is an important tool for the intelligence
15 community, and one that needs to be preserved, and I
16 agree with Senator Cotton, that it should be
17 extended without a sunset provision as currently
18 written.
19 So it's good to have one thing we agree on.
20 But I want to ask Director Coats, and perhaps
21 Admiral Rogers if you want to comment on this as
22 well.

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1 As I understand the framework of 702, it is


2 to intentionally not target American citizens. It
3 is to intentionally target foreign persons and to
4 not collect information from American citizens,
5 except by way of incidental collection. And I think
6 you've described, Admiral Rogers, the extensive
7 procedures that the law requires and that NSA
8 practices have in place to minimize the access of
9 anybody in the intelligence community to that U.S.
10 person and, indeed, you've talked about purging
11 incidental collection that was made in the course of
12 the 702 investigation.
13 So it strikes me, Director Coats, the
14 question that Senator Wyden has asked you and has
15 come up several times, to intentionally target
16 American citizens in order to generate a number is
17 just the opposite of what the structure of 702
18 provides, because the whole idea is to not collect,
19 not to be able to gather information about American
20 citizens, except in the course -- incidental course
21 of collecting information against a foreign
22 intelligence target. Is that a fair statement?

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1 DIRECTOR COATS: That's fair in my mind, and


2 it was a central piece of the information -- of fact
3 that caused me to come to the conclusion that this
4 would -- this would do just exactly what you said.
5 You're breaching someone's privacy to determine
6 whether or not they are an American person.
7 SENATOR CORNYN: To generate a list for
8 Congress.
9 MR. ROSENSTEIN: It potentially could, yes,
10 to generate a list for Congress.
11 That wasn't the only basis on which we made
12 the decision --
13 SENATOR CORNYN: Right.
14 MR. ROSENSTEIN: -- but that was an
15 essential basis.
16 SENATOR CORNYN: Thank you.
17 I want to ask a little bit more about the
18 minimalization procedures and the importance of
19 those, and a little bit about unmasking of U.S.
20 persons' names that Admiral Rogers and others
21 have -- Director Coats, you've talked about.
22 You've explained the process and the

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1 elaborate procedures that are in place to make sure


2 that this is not done accidentally or casually. And
3 I think that's very important to reassuring the
4 American people, that in the collection of foreign
5 intelligence, we are extraordinarily protective of
6 the privacy of U.S. citizens who might be
7 incidentally collected against. And so, to me, the
8 minimalization procedures are very important. The
9 internal policies of the NSA, when it comes to
10 collecting foreign intelligence that happens to
11 incidentally impact American citizens is absolutely
12 critical to this balance between security and
13 individual privacy.
14 Perhaps this is a question for
15 Mr. Rosenstein, though, and maybe Director McCabe.
16 If someone is to use the unmasking process for a
17 political purpose, is that potentially a crime?
18 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Yes, Senator.
19 SENATOR CORNYN: And Director McCabe,
20 perhaps, or Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein, for
21 somebody to leak the name of an American citizen
22 that is unmasked in the course of incidental

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1 collection, to leak that classified information, is


2 that also potentially a crime?
3 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Yes. I think that's the
4 most significant point, Senator. I think it's
5 important for people to understand, unmasking is
6 done in a course of ordinary legitimate intelligence
7 gathering, when the identity of the person on the
8 other end of the phone, other end of the message may
9 be relevant to understand the intelligence's
10 significance of the communication. Leaking is a
11 completely different matter. Leaking is a crime.
12 Disclosing information to somebody without a
13 legitimate purpose, need to know that information,
14 that will be prosecuted in appropriate
15 circumstances. And there have been cases where
16 we've been able to determine there's a willful
17 violation of federal law, a disclosure that was not
18 authorized, and prosecutions have been brought and
19 will be brought.
20 SENATOR CORNYN: And, Mr. Rosenstein, not to
21 pick on you, or Director McCabe, but I think there's
22 some confusion when we talk about, generically,

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1 about Russian investigations. We've described the


2 role of the special counsel, which I think you've
3 discussed in great detail, but that's primarily to
4 investigate potential criminal acts and
5 counterintelligence activities. Is it not?
6 MR. ROSENSTEIN: The answer to that is, yes.
7 The idea of the Russian investigation, that has much
8 broader significance I know to many of you, than the
9 piece that Director McCabe and I are referring to
10 and the piece that Director Mueller is
11 investigating.
12 SENATOR CORNYN: Well, that's enormously
13 helpful, at least to me, because when people speak
14 generically of the Russian investigation, I think
15 they're also including things like our
16 responsibilities, the intelligence committee to do
17 oversight of the intelligence and of the
18 countermeasure -- potential countermeasures we might
19 undertake to deal with the active measures campaign
20 of the Russian government, which were clearly
21 documented in the intelligence community assessment.
22 But by my count, there are multiple

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1 committees of the United States Senate, including


2 the Judiciary Committee on which I serve, which has
3 different jurisdiction and oversight
4 responsibilities. It's our job to do the
5 investigation and write legislation. We're not the
6 FBI. We're not the special counsel. We're not the
7 Department of Justice. And I'm afraid in the
8 conversation that we've been having here, people
9 have been conflating all of those, and those are
10 very distinct and importantly distinct functions.
11 Thank you.
12 MR. McCABE: Senator Reed.
13 SENATOR JACK REED (D-RI): Thank you very
14 much, Mr. Chairman.
15 Director McCabe, on May 11th you testified,
16 quote: Director Comey enjoyed broad support when
17 the FBI, and still does to this day. And you added
18 that you hold him in the absolute highest regard.
19 Is that still the case?
20 MR. McCABE: It is, sir.
21 SENATOR REED: Thank you.
22 Director McCabe, I'm trying to understand

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1 the rationale for your unwillingness to comment upon


2 your conversations with Director Comey.
3 First, you have had, I would presume, and
4 correct me if I'm wrong, conversations with
5 Mr. Mueller. You've had those conversations.
6 MR. McCABE: Yes, sir.
7 SENATOR REED: You're fully familiar with
8 the scope of the investigation, since you've dealt
9 with not only Mr. Mueller, but also with --
10 MR. McCABE: I am, sir, but I think it's
11 important to note that Mr. Mueller and his team are
12 currently in the process of determining what that
13 scope is. And much in the way that Senator Cornyn
14 just referred to, the FBI maintains a broad -- much
15 broader responsibility to continue investigating
16 issues relative to potential Russian
17 counterintelligence activity and threats posed to us
18 from our Russian adversaries.
19 So determining exactly where those lanes in
20 the road are, where does Director Mueller's scope
21 overlap into our pre-existing and long-running
22 Russian responsibilities is somewhat of a challenge

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1 at the moment, and that is why I'm trying to be


2 particularly respectful of his efforts and not to
3 take any steps that may compromise his
4 investigation.
5 SENATOR REED: But getting back to your
6 rationale for not commenting on the conversation
7 between you and Mr. Comey, there's -- it seems to me
8 that what you said is either that is part of a
9 criminal investigation or likely to become part of a
10 criminal investigation, the conversation between the
11 President of the United States and Mr. Comey, and,
12 therefore, you cannot properly comment on that. Is
13 that accurate?
14 MR. McCABE: That's accurate, sir.
15 SENATOR REED: What about the conversations
16 between Director Coats and Admiral Rogers with the
17 President of the United States? Is that likely to
18 become or is part of a ongoing criminal
19 investigation?
20 MR. McCABE: I couldn't comment on that,
21 sir. I'm not -- I'm not familiar with that, and it
22 wouldn't be -- for the same reasons it's not

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1 appropriate for me to comment on Director Comey's


2 conversations, I certainly wouldn't comment on those
3 that I'm further away from.
4 SENATOR REED: Mr. Rosenstein, are you aware
5 of the possibility of an investigation into
6 conversations that Director Coats and Admiral Rogers
7 have had with the President?
8 MR. ROSENSTEIN: My familiarity with that
9 Senator, is limited to what I read in the newspaper
10 this morning and what we heard here today.
11 SENATOR REED: Director Coats, have you had
12 any contact with the special prosecutor or any --
13 DIRECTOR COATS: I have not.
14 SENATOR REED: Have you been advised by any
15 of your counsels, private or public, that at least
16 this conversation that you have with the President
17 could be subject to a criminal investigation?
18 DIRECTOR COATS: I have -- no. I have not.
19 SENATOR REED: Admiral Rogers? Same
20 question.
21 ADMIRAL ROGERS: To the last question, no, I
22 have not.

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1 SENATOR REED: Let me just return again to


2 the points that I think Senator King made very well,
3 which is this unwillingness to comment on the
4 conversation with the President, but to characterize
5 it in a way that you didn't feel pressured, yet
6 refusing to answer very specific and
7 nonintelligence-related issue, I don't see how it
8 would impact on the classification and our status,
9 whether or not you were specifically asked by the
10 President to do anything.
11 Do you still maintain that you can't comment
12 on whether you're asked or not?
13 DIRECTOR COATS: Nothing has changed since
14 my initial response.
15 ADMIRAL ROGERS: I stand by my previous
16 answer.
17 SENATOR REED: I just must say, the
18 impression that I have is that if you could say
19 that, you would say that.
20 Thank you. I have no further questions.
21 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator McCain.
22 SENATOR JOHN McCAIN (R-AZ): Well,

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1 gentlemen, you're here at an interesting time. It's


2 funny how sometimes events run together. This
3 morning's Washington Post: Top intelligence
4 official told associates Trump asked him if he could
5 intervene on Comey with FBI Russia probe.
6 It goes into some detail. I'm sure you've
7 read the article. And it's more than disturbing.
8 Obviously, if it's true that the President of the
9 United States was trying to get the director of
10 national intelligence and others to abandon an
11 investigation into Russian involvement, it's pretty
12 serious.
13 I also understand the position that you're
14 in, because it is classified information, and yet
15 here it is on this morning's Washington Post in some
16 detail. I'm sure you've read it.
17 So, I guess if I understand you right,
18 Director Coats, is that in a closed session you are
19 more than ready to discuss this situation. Is that
20 correct?
21 DIRECTOR COATS: I would hope we'd have the
22 opportunity to do that.

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1 SENATOR McCAIN: Well, I hope we can provide


2 you with that opportunity. You know, it's just
3 shows what kind of an Orwellian existence that we
4 live in. I mean, it's detailed, as you know from
5 reading the story, as to when you met, what you
6 discussed, et cetera, et cetera, and yet here in a
7 public hearing before the American people, we can't
8 talk about what was described in detail in this
9 morning's Washington Post.
10 Do you want to comment on that? Dan?
11 DIRECTOR COATS: Are you asking me? To
12 comment on the Washington -- integrity of the
13 Washington Post reporting? I guess I've been around
14 town long enough --
15 SENATOR McCAIN: It's pretty detailed. It's
16 pretty detailed.
17 DIRECTOR COATS: I guess I've been around
18 town long enough to say, not take everything at face
19 value that's printed in the Post. I served on the
20 committee here and often saw that information that
21 we had been discussed had been reported, but that
22 wasn't always accurate.

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1 But I think this is -- the response that I


2 gave to the Post was that I did not want to publicly
3 share what I thought were private conversations with
4 the President of the United States. Most of them,
5 almost all of them, intelligence-related and
6 classified. I didn't think it was appropriate to do
7 so in an open -- for the Post to report what it
8 reported or do that in an open session.
9 SENATOR McCAIN: Well, it's an unfortunate
10 situation that you're sitting there because it's
11 classified information, and this morning's
12 Washington Post describes in some detail, not just
13 outline, but times and dates and subjects that are
14 being discussed. And I'm certainly not blaming you,
15 but it certainly is an interesting town in which we
16 exist.
17 DIRECTOR COATS: Just because it's published
18 in the Washington Post doesn't mean it's now
19 unclassified.
20 SENATOR McCAIN: But, unfortunately, whether
21 it's classified or not, it's now out to the world,
22 which is, obviously, not your fault, but describes

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1 dates and times and who met with who, and so --


2 well, do you want to tell us any more about the
3 Russian involvement in our election that we don't
4 already know from reading the Washington Post?
5 (Laughter.)
6 DIRECTOR COATS: I don't think that's a
7 position that I'm in. I do know there are ongoing
8 investigations. I do know that we continue to
9 provide all the relevant intelligence we have to
10 enable those investigations to be carried out with
11 integrity and with knowledge.
12 SENATOR McCAIN: Well, it must be a bit
13 frustrating to you in protecting what is clearly
14 sensitive information then to read all about it in
15 the Washington Post. You have my sympathy, and I
16 expressed that at your confirmation hearing,
17 doubting your sanity.
18 Admiral, you got anything to say about it?
19 ADMIRAL ROGERS: No, sir, other than, boy,
20 some days I sure wish I was (inaudible) on the
21 bridge of that destroyer again.
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1 feel the same way.


2 Mr. Rosenstein?
3 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Senator, I can't speak for
4 anybody else, but I am proud to be here, proud to be
5 here with Director McCabe, and I'm sure he feels the
6 same way.
7 MR. McCABE: I do.
8 SENATOR McCAIN: Whatever that might mean.
9 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
10 CHAIRMAN BURR: Thanks, Senator McCain.
11 The Chair is going to recognize Senator
12 Wyden for one question on 702.
13 SENATOR WYDEN: Thank you very much,
14 Mr. Chairman, I appreciate the courtesy.
15 This one, Director Coats, I'd like a yes or
16 no answer on: Can the government use FISA Act
17 Section 702 to collect communications it knows are
18 entirely domestic?
19 DIRECTOR COATS: Not to my knowledge. It
20 would be against the law.
21 SENATOR WYDEN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
22 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Warner?

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1 SENATOR WARNER: Again, I want to thank all


2 the witnesses, but I come out of this hearing with
3 more questions than when I went in.
4 Gentlemen, you are both willing to somehow
5 characterize your conversations with the President,
6 that you didn't feel pressure, but you wouldn't
7 share the content. In the case of Admiral Rogers,
8 we will have an independent third party that will at
9 least provide some level of contemporaneous
10 description of that conversation, and, obviously,
11 why there was concerns enough to commit that to
12 writing.
13 I'm pretty frustrated that there is this
14 deference to a special prosecutor, even though the
15 special prosecutor has not talked to you. I'm
16 concerned with the deputy attorney general, also,
17 deference to the special prosecutor, but there
18 doesn't seem to be in -- this committee, and the
19 Chairman and I have committed to making sure that we
20 appropriately de-conflict.
21 What we don't seem to have is the same
22 commitment to find out whether the President of the

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1 United States tried to intervene directly with


2 leaders of our intelligence community and asked them
3 to back off or downplay. You've testified to the --
4 your feelings response. Candidly, your feelings
5 response is important, but the content of his
6 communication with you is absolutely critical.
7 I guess I would just say, the President's
8 not above the law. If the President intervenes in a
9 conversation and intervenes in an investigation like
10 that, would that not be subject of some concern,
11 Mr. Rosenstein?
12 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Senator, if anybody
13 obstructs a federal investigation, it would be a
14 subject of concern. I don't care who they are, and
15 I can commit to you, if you're looking for
16 commitment from Mr. McCabe and me, that if there is
17 any credible allegation that anybody seeks to
18 obstruct a federal investigation, it will be
19 investigated appropriately, whether it's by
20 Mr. McCabe, by me, by the special counsel, that's
21 our responsibility, and we'll see to it.
22 SENATOR WARNER: Well, I thank the Chairman

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1 for the fact that we've been working on this in a


2 bipartisan way, and we will ultimately have to get
3 to the content of the conversations.
4 Thank you.
5 CHAIRMAN BURR: Director Coats, I know
6 you've got to go. Give me 90 more seconds, if I
7 could.
8 And this question probably to you, Admiral
9 Rogers: Have our partners globally used 702
10 intelligence to stop a terrorist attack?
11 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Yes, sir, and if we were to
12 not -- if we were to lose a 702 -- 702 authority, I
13 would fully expect leaders from some of our closest
14 allies to put out one loud scream.
15 CHAIRMAN BURR: And in most cases, didn't
16 they take credit for our intelligence?
17 ADMIRAL ROGERS: We don't -- they don't
18 publicly talk about where it comes from, but we
19 acknowledge NSA is a primary provider of insights.
20 CHAIRMAN BURR: I just wanted to get on the
21 record there.
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1 nations --
2 CHAIRMAN BURR: This is a global asset --
3 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Yes.
4 CHAIRMAN BURR: -- that the war on terror
5 has is 702.
6 ADMIRAL ROGERS: Yes, sir.
7 DIRECTOR COATS: Mr. Chairman, if I could
8 just take --
9 CHAIRMAN BURR: Yes, sir.
10 DIRECTOR COATS: -- the time you were trying
11 to protect from me, for my next appointment, to just
12 say following -- and I just want to repeat --
13 following my interaction with my contemporaries in a
14 number of European countries, they are deeply,
15 deeply grateful to us for the information derived
16 from 702, has saved, what they said, literally
17 hundreds of lives.
18 CHAIRMAN BURR: Well, certainly the
19 committee is privy to those instances in a lot of
20 cases, and we're grateful for that.
21 And, gentlemen, I want to thank you for your
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1 of you to take a message back to the Administration.


2 You're in positions whereby you're required to keep
3 this committee fully and currently informed of
4 intelligence activities. In cases where the
5 sensitivity of those activities would not be
6 appropriate for the full committee or open session,
7 there's a mechanism that you may use to brief the
8 appropriate parties. It's sometimes often referred
9 to as "the gang of eight notification briefing," and
10 I think without exception everybody at the table has
11 utilized that tool before.
12 Congressional oversight of the intelligence
13 activities of our government is necessary and it
14 must be robust. Thus, the provisions of this unique
15 briefing mechanism, given the availability of that
16 sensitive briefing avenue, at no time should you be
17 in a position where you come to Congress without an
18 answer. It may be in a different format, but the
19 requirements of our oversight duties and your
20 agencies demand it.
21 With that, again, I thank you for being
22 here.

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abandon 91:4, 91:17, 25:4 153:13
144:10 93:4, 93:8, accountability activity
ability 95:18, 96:18, 107:15 37:11, 76:7,
14:5, 24:13, 102:1, 103:9, accountable 76:9, 89:18,
27:17, 35:8, 103:11, 105:21, 52:15, 95:14 140:17
49:17, 50:12, 108:16, 109:1, accurate actors
50:13, 60:9, 109:3, 109:4, 26:11, 26:14, 50:3
129:22, 130:21, 112:7, 112:8, 28:1, 69:2, acts
155:7 116:22, 120:2, 69:7, 86:9, 138:4
able 120:22, 121:8, 122:6, 141:13, actual
13:15, 24:5, 124:7, 128:4, 141:14, 145:22 107:6
32:10, 49:18, 129:14, 131:6, achieve actually
60:5, 70:12, 134:10, 134:19, 71:6 54:16, 61:3,
70:17, 70:21, 135:17, 135:19, acknowledge 67:19, 88:5,
71:5, 105:20, 135:21, 137:22, 98:19, 105:22, 90:5, 101:10,
106:3, 107:21, 138:1, 141:15, 151:19 109:7
108:15, 109:2, 145:8, 147:2, acknowledged add
109:11, 110:5, 147:14, 147:18, 106:15 58:3, 64:2,
111:13, 111:19, 151:18 acknowledges 99:4
114:16, 122:18, abouts 36:8 added
123:7, 134:19, 24:11, 24:12 acquire 139:17
137:16 above 16:3, 19:17 addition
about 150:8 acquired 21:1, 34:7,
5:4, 6:6, 7:6, abroad 3:4, 20:2, 72:20
7:9, 7:13, 8:2, 3:6, 3:20, 23:9, 25:13 additional
9:9, 10:21, 5:16, 15:19, across 26:20, 38:22,
13:22, 14:1, 17:8, 17:12, 130:13 86:2, 86:4
21:7, 25:8, 17:22, 18:22, act additionally
29:5, 36:11, 19:21 2:18, 6:14, 7:15
36:13, 37:1, absence 8:6, 12:20, address
37:19, 38:16, 33:12, 60:14 14:9, 16:16, 13:10, 15:3,
39:18, 40:15, absolute 17:2, 30:16, 24:10, 28:6,
40:17, 41:20, 45:12, 139:18 148:16 44:1, 44:14,
43:15, 45:6, absolutely acting 87:8, 101:7,
48:6, 48:13, 63:22, 103:2, 2:12, 99:15, 114:1, 114:6,
48:16, 48:21, 108:12, 108:14, 126:4, 126:21, 118:7
48:22, 51:5, 115:2, 119:11, 129:7, 129:17 addressed
53:7, 53:22, 136:11, 150:6 action 39:3, 104:21,
54:19, 55:12, access 50:7, 116:6 113:12
58:15, 60:21, 134:8 active adequate
64:8, 64:10, accidentally 100:9, 115:8, 85:17, 86:4,
68:6, 70:6, 136:2 124:7, 125:6, 90:12, 132:13
74:2, 74:22, accompanying 138:19 adjourn
75:4, 78:21, 82:11 activities 152:22
79:2, 79:21, accomplished 29:3, 29:5, adjourned
83:15, 83:22, 17:14 39:16, 45:14, 154:1
accordance 50:11, 138:5, adjourns
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administration 149:1, 153:21 al-sham allowed
4:20, 8:18, against 28:15 29:10, 128:16
31:6, 42:10, 3:22, 5:6, all almost
42:17, 45:4, 11:16, 11:17, 2:14, 4:2, 29:2, 146:5
46:20, 60:14, 13:9, 14:6, 6:11, 6:18, along
63:2, 66:14, 15:13, 16:6, 8:14, 8:20, 9:5, 28:21, 92:6,
81:3, 82:3, 17:8, 33:16, 10:6, 10:16, 125:17
82:19, 101:2, 50:8, 73:8, 14:10, 18:3, already
118:9, 120:3, 76:1, 107:2, 20:9, 20:13, 4:8, 100:2,
120:8, 153:1 134:21, 136:7, 20:18, 21:19, 147:4
adversaries 148:20 26:8, 26:10, also
140:18 agencies 31:10, 35:18, 4:10, 4:14,
advice 7:18, 20:16, 38:15, 41:21, 6:13, 7:20,
6:14, 13:13, 20:22, 51:8, 45:2, 46:6, 8:20, 9:19,
63:20, 64:7, 54:18, 58:8, 47:2, 47:18, 21:6, 26:12,
64:18, 123:16 91:3, 123:15, 48:6, 48:18, 28:19, 31:7,
advised 153:20 53:16, 58:13, 42:15, 44:6,
142:14 agency 58:18, 60:2, 45:11, 50:15,
adviser 2:10, 3:15, 65:20, 72:20, 51:2, 57:16,
120:1 3:16, 23:4, 88:19, 90:7, 58:17, 60:8,
advocacy 40:5, 56:4, 100:14, 109:17, 60:12, 62:15,
25:11 58:15, 70:16, 109:18, 109:21, 68:9, 79:5,
affect 87:18, 103:17, 110:12, 113:18, 84:15, 96:14,
3:10 123:6 115:12, 115:22, 101:13, 104:18,
affected agent 116:1, 119:21, 105:5, 106:10,
12:9 18:17 122:13, 122:21, 109:1, 113:2,
affects agents 123:1, 123:14, 126:9, 137:2,
10:22 34:2, 73:9 128:5, 130:12, 138:15, 140:9,
afforded ago 130:19, 133:12, 144:13, 149:16
14:14 12:11, 14:8, 139:9, 146:5, although
afraid 49:12, 72:1 147:9, 147:14, 12:14, 19:9,
139:7 agree 149:1 129:5
after 9:2, 31:14, allegation always
13:19, 24:22, 88:2, 105:13, 52:3, 65:11, 46:6, 145:22
53:21, 72:3, 127:17, 133:12, 150:17 amended
115:19 133:16, 133:19 allegations 15:2
afternoon agreed 52:1, 76:19 amendment
113:17, 114:2, 24:18, 25:4, alleged 12:20, 17:12,
114:19, 122:22 58:13, 103:12 7:19 19:1, 19:4,
ag agrees allies 20:6, 30:16,
31:8 57:11 3:21, 12:14, 32:19, 33:4,
again aiming 14:7, 32:8, 34:12, 34:16,
13:8, 26:6, 90:10 108:11, 151:14 91:8, 91:12
31:18, 39:4, aircraft allow amendments
42:12, 47:8, 30:5 14:22, 23:21, 11:14, 12:20,
56:10, 69:4, aisle 30:13, 104:18, 16:16, 30:16
80:4, 120:6, 9:17 117:6, 117:13, america
143:1, 147:21, al 117:18, 130:9 5:11, 33:8,
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49:7 annette 95:3, 95:9, 133:3, 134:9,
america's 1:22, 155:3, 95:16, 96:5, 148:4, 150:12,
71:12 155:14 100:16, 102:10, 150:17
american annual 102:11 anyone
8:20, 11:7, 19:13, 21:16 answers 15:22, 47:21,
12:13, 16:22, anomaly 8:21, 46:1, 61:14, 62:10,
42:16, 46:1, 19:7 71:22, 72:6, 63:1, 63:18,
51:16, 52:9, another 72:15, 101:4, 63:19, 64:6,
52:18, 54:20, 7:4, 38:11, 101:5, 101:10, 64:22, 65:3,
54:21, 61:7, 47:10, 83:10 111:3, 111:6, 68:18, 74:9
71:10, 72:21, answer 111:7 anything
74:1, 81:17, 23:20, 41:11, anticipated 37:18, 40:6,
91:5, 91:11, 41:12, 53:17, 100:5 48:1, 58:21,
101:4, 119:16, 59:3, 62:4, anticipation 63:6, 64:2,
121:13, 121:16, 63:22, 64:12, 113:20 65:8, 68:8,
122:3, 122:5, 65:17, 67:20, anxiety 102:20, 112:14,
133:6, 134:2, 68:3, 70:3, 113:20 143:10, 147:18
134:4, 134:16, 70:8, 70:21, any anywhere
134:19, 135:6, 74:14, 74:15, 5:20, 6:16, 15:21, 119:14
136:4, 136:11, 74:17, 79:20, 7:2, 8:4, 8:11, apologize
136:21, 145:7 81:6, 81:17, 22:11, 31:18, 67:1, 77:3,
americans 84:10, 85:6, 39:11, 39:19, 120:7
3:6, 3:20, 91:17, 91:19, 40:13, 40:14, appalling
9:15, 9:22, 92:19, 94:6, 40:16, 40:21, 8:5
11:12, 16:11, 94:19, 94:22, 43:7, 44:20, apparently
34:11, 69:9, 95:13, 95:18, 46:21, 52:1, 60:20, 71:19
69:11, 69:19, 97:3, 97:11, 61:14, 63:2, appealed
109:5, 109:9 97:19, 97:22, 63:18, 63:20, 38:20
amicus 98:8, 98:15, 64:6, 67:11, appeared
53:19, 54:2, 99:10, 101:10, 67:12, 67:15, 42:21
54:9, 54:14, 101:11, 102:4, 68:3, 68:10, appears
59:5, 59:10 102:7, 102:9, 69:4, 73:21, 45:15, 124:5
amount 111:4, 111:10, 74:21, 75:3, applicable
14:19, 33:22, 111:13, 112:16, 76:21, 77:5, 125:19
89:11 114:17, 122:14, 77:17, 80:8, applied
analysis 123:3, 123:4, 88:21, 94:17, 56:9
21:11, 27:8 123:5, 123:9, 100:13, 100:16, applies
analyst 128:8, 128:10, 100:21, 102:5, 118:17
4:6 128:15, 128:17, 102:18, 103:5, apply
analysts 128:20, 130:10, 115:6, 119:14, 34:16, 56:3,
27:4 131:2, 131:9, 126:2, 127:6, 56:21, 57:10,
analytic 138:6, 143:6, 127:21, 141:3, 80:15, 118:15,
75:20 143:16, 148:16, 142:12, 142:14, 118:22
andrew 153:18 147:2, 150:17, applying
2:13 answered 155:9 80:17
andy 82:22, 96:12, anybody appoint
129:9 96:14, 130:14 46:19, 49:2, 59:10, 132:6
angus answering 110:18, 132:21, appointed
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126:22, 131:13, aren't 92:12, 94:15, assuming
131:14 33:1, 108:20 102:1, 102:7, 115:17
appointing argue 108:8, 112:13, assurance
82:9 99:6 112:15, 113:12, 129:8, 129:13
appointment arguments 134:14, 143:9, assure
113:10, 152:11 4:1 143:12, 144:4, 51:21
appreciate armed 150:2 assured
2:15, 11:9, 68:16, 96:6 asking 114:4
74:2, 108:21, around 8:1, 27:3, attack
109:5, 109:12, 12:14, 32:8, 31:4, 47:5, 12:2, 50:5,
109:13, 109:21, 145:13, 145:17 47:6, 62:8, 151:10
110:9, 128:19, arrested 62:9, 64:15, attacks
131:7, 148:14 13:20 65:5, 78:14, 9:4, 9:6, 9:7,
apprehension article 79:1, 79:2, 9:16, 11:21,
30:1, 30:4 85:19, 144:7 80:1, 80:2, 12:2, 12:7,
appropriate ashcroft 89:3, 111:7, 12:18, 48:11,
34:3, 43:20, 126:18 111:8, 145:11 50:18, 108:11
44:1, 44:13, ask aspects attempt
46:9, 46:12, 7:12, 37:9, 43:7, 98:20 7:2, 8:11,
55:22, 59:9, 37:17, 39:12, assess 25:11, 27:16,
59:17, 59:19, 40:14, 40:19, 38:5 30:1, 76:15
70:21, 77:6, 40:21, 45:10, assessment attempted
79:7, 79:11, 49:16, 53:16, 75:8, 76:5, 30:3
80:19, 83:19, 58:7, 58:20, 76:19, 115:16, attempting
84:5, 85:12, 62:17, 62:22, 115:18, 138:21 7:1
92:14, 96:16, 63:17, 65:12, asset attention
97:6, 97:10, 65:21, 70:6, 152:2 58:19
98:18, 112:5, 74:7, 77:8, assets attorney
112:10, 112:20, 78:12, 93:4, 29:20 2:8, 4:17,
116:6, 131:19, 95:2, 101:6, assigned 7:12, 19:14,
132:5, 132:11, 102:16, 103:14, 77:16 31:3, 74:19,
132:19, 137:14, 112:4, 114:21, assistance 83:15, 83:18,
142:1, 146:6, 115:6, 115:9, 23:12, 79:22, 99:15, 126:4,
153:6, 153:8 133:20, 135:17, 116:3, 116:9 126:18, 126:21,
appropriately 152:22 associated 129:3, 129:7,
8:10, 52:10, asked 21:10, 39:15, 129:17, 131:16,
57:22, 149:20, 7:16, 7:20, 82:7, 94:17, 132:7, 136:20,
150:19 8:22, 26:12, 104:2 149:16
approve 39:3, 43:12, associates audio
3:14 46:14, 57:14, 13:17, 29:6, 1:7, 2:2,
approved 58:5, 59:4, 29:10, 29:13, 154:2, 155:7
24:19 61:16, 62:9, 29:17, 30:2, audits
april 62:15, 63:1, 30:7, 39:14, 21:2, 22:4
32:14, 69:8 63:8, 63:11, 144:4 auspices
area 68:22, 74:12, assume 54:7
75:15 76:13, 78:8, 123:1 authorities
areas 79:21, 86:1, assumed 4:8, 5:15,
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15:17, 32:3, 63:18, 64:6, 24:4, 24:11, 40:4, 40:6,
49:21, 52:10, 64:16, 64:20, 24:19, 48:12, 44:21, 46:20,
75:11, 127:14 64:21, 68:17, 49:20, 57:2, 47:21, 49:5,
authority 82:6, 82:14, 57:7, 66:22, 49:8, 49:17,
4:14, 12:16, 85:20, 95:7, 76:3, 91:19, 49:19, 49:22,
13:1, 14:5, 142:4 92:18, 93:21, 50:17, 51:4,
19:18, 20:11, away 97:2, 97:4, 51:15, 53:12,
28:10, 31:18, 142:3 97:7, 97:11, 54:19, 61:16,
38:2, 56:4, awful 97:14, 97:17, 62:9, 63:5,
59:8, 59:18, 80:20, 113:21 135:11, 135:15 63:11, 68:22,
87:11, 105:5, B battle 77:16, 84:21,
115:1, 125:15, back 69:17 85:13, 88:9,
127:4, 127:9, 2:6, 5:2, 7:22, became 92:12, 93:9,
127:19, 128:1, 40:22, 48:2, 16:20 99:5, 100:13,
129:16, 129:21, 48:4, 56:19, because 100:19, 101:13,
131:16, 132:13, 57:12, 58:19, 8:4, 14:21, 102:7, 103:13,
151:12 69:1, 69:12, 22:13, 29:2, 111:2, 112:2,
authorization 69:22, 86:21, 33:1, 33:20, 113:19, 122:14,
108:5, 131:14 94:2, 106:13, 41:20, 50:17, 129:1, 130:7,
authorizations 108:17, 109:13, 51:8, 53:22, 130:12, 137:15,
104:19 110:5, 114:5, 55:7, 55:8, 137:16, 137:18,
authorize 141:5, 150:3, 55:18, 61:1, 139:8, 139:9,
104:20 153:1 65:21, 69:18, 142:14, 145:13,
authorized backbone 78:19, 89:20, 145:17, 145:21,
29:9, 31:17, 90:4, 94:7, 151:1
23:13 before
53:10, 93:10, backdrop 95:10, 98:19,
105:4, 130:4, 100:21, 101:22, 1:9, 3:15,
15:9, 16:19 9:18, 12:1,
137:18 bad 102:7, 106:19,
authorizes 119:12, 122:21, 12:18, 13:8,
50:3 25:7, 25:15,
9:10 balance 129:2, 129:3,
automatic 131:19, 132:5, 28:7, 28:13,
19:8, 136:12 134:18, 138:13, 39:8, 42:21,
115:10 ball
availability 144:14, 146:10, 42:22, 43:19,
32:14, 33:10 146:17 44:4, 44:7,
153:15 based
available become 44:10, 46:8,
12:22, 13:13, 18:18, 28:13, 49:15, 61:21,
23:18, 46:8, 17:15, 18:2,
113:18, 114:4 89:19, 115:19, 76:4, 84:20,
18:10, 18:11, 141:9, 141:18 85:12, 89:7,
avenue 29:2, 33:2,
153:16 becoming 96:6, 97:17,
53:13, 89:6, 48:7, 48:12 98:7, 99:13,
avenues 125:12, 129:16,
99:22 been 115:12, 129:19,
133:12 130:7, 145:7,
avert baseline 8:9, 9:14,
10:8, 13:7, 152:22, 153:11
12:18 104:2 begin
avoid 14:9, 16:13,
basic 16:17, 22:10, 13:6, 79:5,
49:19 81:6 90:9
aware 22:14, 25:8,
basis 25:9, 25:13, beginning
28:2, 31:21, 17:1, 18:14, 29:6
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behalf 136:12, 141:7, 53:6, 60:9, broadcast
10:16, 30:13 141:10, 141:16 61:2, 62:22, 1:7
behind big 69:6, 69:21, broader
93:2 7:4, 53:4 71:14, 83:14, 77:8, 138:8,
being bill 94:22, 95:2, 140:15
8:22, 10:14, 120:3, 120:9, 99:4, 100:5, broadly
18:3, 18:5, 120:12 114:14, 122:12, 118:11
18:21, 19:1, billion 124:12, 149:4 broken
60:3, 61:4, 53:10 boy 22:12
77:20, 79:5, bipartisan 147:19 brought
87:17, 102:1, 19:6, 151:2 branch 44:7, 137:18,
146:14, 153:21 bit 64:7 137:19
belief 135:17, 135:19, branches build
44:22, 54:1, 147:12 14:10, 20:14 90:10, 113:20
99:9 blaming branchs bureau
believe 146:14 3:13 2:12
18:15, 28:1, blunt brand burr
37:19, 40:6, 84:18, 84:19, 110:2 2:3, 10:5,
44:1, 53:4, 85:14, 86:7, breach 10:19, 30:20,
59:17, 77:20, 86:11, 86:17, 122:1 31:15, 31:22,
80:5, 81:3, 87:12, 87:17, breaching 32:2, 32:14,
84:4, 84:15, 87:20, 88:8, 135:5 34:19, 36:3,
86:3, 91:11, 88:20, 89:3, bridge 37:3, 38:7,
97:5, 97:10, 89:15, 89:22, 147:21 47:13, 52:21,
98:18, 99:8, 90:7, 90:12, brief 60:1, 67:4,
104:6, 125:6, 90:15, 90:17, 101:10, 101:11, 73:16, 78:3,
129:13, 132:13, 90:19 113:6, 153:7 84:18, 90:20,
132:19 blunting briefed 99:13, 101:6,
believes 79:22 104:5, 115:9, 102:14, 109:14,
59:9, 59:17 blushed 115:15, 124:12 112:4, 114:1,
benefits 88:16 briefing 116:19, 124:2,
25:3 board 115:10, 128:9, 130:8, 130:17,
best 13:21 153:9, 153:15, 130:20, 131:1,
21:21, 40:5, body 153:16 133:8, 133:10,
40:8, 65:5, 29:4, 29:11, briefings 143:21, 148:10,
110:19, 123:2, 131:18 44:17, 83:1, 148:22, 151:5,
155:6 bombing 83:5 151:15, 151:20,
better 14:2 briefly 152:2, 152:4,
16:22, 51:8, bootstrapping 15:3, 23:21, 152:9, 152:18
55:12, 58:12, 91:9 25:8, 70:9 business
83:9 bossert bring 110:18
between 119:22 39:12, 41:13, by-pass
38:17, 43:22, both 45:5 35:8
45:8, 48:17, 3:6, 9:17, bringing bypass
48:19, 76:18, 14:12, 19:6, 114:18 36:1
76:22, 80:13, 20:5, 21:15, british bypassed
91:7, 91:13, 25:10, 32:18, 12:4 35:20, 35:21,
94:17, 102:19, 37:5, 44:18, broad 50:4
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C care 79:16, 98:17, 90:20, 90:22,
cables 80:1, 150:14 111:20, 142:2, 99:12, 99:13,
18:6 career 146:14, 146:15, 99:14, 100:10,
calendar 34:2, 39:10, 152:18 101:6, 101:8,
88:17, 88:18 101:13 certificate 102:14, 109:14,
call careful 155:1 109:16, 112:4,
2:4, 30:13, 93:8 certification 113:15, 113:16,
30:15, 36:9, carried 32:22, 53:19, 114:1, 114:11,
36:15, 39:9, 17:17, 18:5, 54:3, 59:14, 116:11, 116:19,
41:18, 41:19, 18:6, 99:18, 106:16 124:2, 128:16,
41:20, 65:4, 147:10 certifications 130:8, 130:15,
65:10 carry 19:14, 24:4, 130:17, 130:20,
called 5:13, 108:10 32:17 131:1, 133:8,
case certify 133:10, 139:14,
24:11, 42:22, 143:21, 148:9,
62:16, 69:10, 33:14, 37:20, 155:3
38:3, 52:5, cetera 148:10, 148:14,
117:14 148:21, 148:22,
came 55:14, 59:9, 56:21, 145:6
78:1, 83:20, cfr 149:19, 150:22,
14:1, 105:9, 151:5, 151:15,
121:19, 121:20 109:6, 122:20, 127:14
123:8, 129:7, cfr- 151:20, 152:2,
campaign 152:4, 152:7,
38:18, 39:16, 139:19, 149:7, 125:18
155:9 chain 152:9, 152:18
77:1, 77:2, challenge
138:19 cases 90:15, 125:16,
3:20, 50:12, 126:16 60:17, 140:22
can't chance
27:14, 27:18, 106:21, 137:15, chair
151:15, 152:20, 30:21, 84:17, 39:1, 42:10,
35:14, 35:15, 47:3
42:18, 69:6, 153:4 100:2, 114:7,
casually 130:9, 148:11 change
72:8, 84:6, 23:3, 106:8
91:22, 92:6, 136:2 chairman
catch 2:3, 5:20, 6:1, changed
92:11, 96:5,
102:8, 112:8, 51:17 9:2, 10:3, 10:5, 4:16, 4:21,
116:8, 143:11, categories 10:18, 10:19, 18:1, 31:10,
145:7, 148:3 19:16 30:17, 30:20, 143:13
candidly cause 31:15, 31:22, changes
150:4 18:15, 33:18, 32:2, 32:14, 18:20
cannot 34:8, 71:13 34:19, 36:3, character
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73:21, 111:5, 28:17, 135:3 38:8, 38:9, characterize
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capabilities 23:15 46:3, 47:12, 149:5
5:2, 50:11, cell 47:13, 47:15, characterizes
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capability central 59:2, 59:22, charge
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35:11 certain 67:6, 73:1, check
capitals 21:12 73:16, 73:18, 105:14, 132:14,
49:12 certainly 78:3, 84:9, 132:20
43:1, 44:8, 84:18, 90:19, checks
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chose 41:6, 52:2, colleague 75:20, 86:16,
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chosen 73:4, 79:10, colleagues 87:5, 89:11,
28:9, 50:7 80:8, 96:15, 5:8, 9:16, 89:12, 90:2,
cia 96:17, 96:18, 11:2, 12:4, 90:11, 105:20,
7:20, 58:6, 111:9, 112:16, 12:5, 15:9, 108:13, 118:11,
75:7, 126:21 113:16, 114:16, 58:5, 67:8, 118:21, 121:11,
circumstance 122:22, 124:18, 81:2, 83:9, 134:5, 134:11,
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circumstances 137:1, 144:14, collect collections
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55:16, 118:17, 146:21 29:9, 33:16, collects
125:13, 126:6, clear 108:8, 117:7, 9:8
126:11, 129:6, 26:18, 65:16, 117:19, 118:3, collins
132:4, 137:15 74:2, 80:20, 118:6, 134:4, 73:16, 73:17,
cited 83:13, 111:15, 134:18, 148:17 74:5, 74:16,
13:7 113:22 collected 74:19, 75:2,
citizen cleared 3:16, 21:4, 75:6, 75:18,
28:17, 121:13, 47:19, 108:1 26:16, 29:4, 76:10, 76:17,
136:21 clearly 91:6, 91:9, 77:8, 77:22
citizens 90:2, 106:22, 108:5, 136:7 collusion
5:11, 11:8, 107:5, 138:20, collecting 76:22
11:20, 14:7, 147:13 24:11, 35:6, combined
15:6, 50:8, cloak 87:5, 107:18, 29:18
51:9, 117:7, 55:3 109:4, 109:9, come
117:15, 119:16, close 134:21, 136:10 28:1, 47:11,
121:16, 122:3, 29:10, 29:12, collection 56:19, 61:21,
122:5, 123:22, 29:15, 39:10 2:21, 3:5, 65:3, 70:13,
134:2, 134:4, closed 3:17, 4:3, 5:12, 70:20, 98:22,
134:16, 134:20, 10:10, 83:1, 5:19, 11:13, 99:19, 103:10,
136:6, 136:11 91:4, 97:19, 13:9, 15:11, 105:2, 106:13,
civil 97:21, 98:2, 17:8, 17:19, 113:6, 116:6,
9:21, 11:7, 98:7, 98:15, 18:12, 19:21, 119:17, 122:18,
11:20, 13:20, 113:13, 114:5, 23:5, 24:8, 123:12, 134:15,
16:11, 20:17, 122:11, 122:21, 24:12, 24:13, 135:3, 149:2,
27:7, 53:8, 128:9, 144:18 25:3, 25:14, 153:17
58:7, 108:21 closely 29:6, 29:8, comes
civilians 5:8, 29:7 29:15, 29:19, 77:12, 109:6,
9:7 closest 30:8, 30:11, 118:5, 119:3,
clapper 151:13 36:5, 36:6, 136:9, 151:18
4:16, 31:3, closure 36:10, 36:15, comey
72:9 116:2 36:20, 37:1, 7:6, 7:10,
clarify co-conspirators 37:4, 37:9, 7:13, 7:22,
35:4, 36:4, 13:19 48:13, 48:14, 32:20, 38:16,
85:2, 127:8 cogent 49:20, 50:11, 39:4, 43:14,
classification 73:20 51:8, 53:5, 45:17, 69:1,
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79:3, 79:13, 150:16 137:10, 150:6 24:7, 24:21,
82:2, 82:8, committed communications 25:3, 31:20,
85:7, 85:13, 6:14, 16:8, 3:3, 13:11, 66:4, 104:1,
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94:10, 113:10, 25:16, 46:7, 17:20, 23:11, 106:20
126:22, 127:3, 52:12, 149:19 24:14, 25:12, compliant
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140:2, 141:7, 1:9, 4:7, 8:9, 53:7, 74:22, complies
141:11, 144:5 10:20, 25:16, 117:16, 119:6, 14:16
comey's 28:3, 42:22, 148:17 comply
142:1 43:4, 43:7, communities 52:11, 77:11,
comfortable 43:20, 44:7, 12:8, 49:14 77:19
105:3 44:10, 46:7, community compromise
coming 46:8, 61:8, 5:12, 6:13, 141:3
2:15, 110:12 61:21, 68:16, 6:18, 7:2, 8:12, conceivably
command 75:8, 79:10, 9:11, 11:1, 121:21
28:14, 125:16, 79:15, 84:21, 11:11, 12:17, concentrated
126:16 93:5, 93:17, 19:17, 19:20, 50:4
comment 93:19, 96:7, 21:22, 22:19, concern
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41:3, 41:21, 97:18, 98:7, 25:18, 30:14, 150:10, 150:14
45:11, 49:2, 99:17, 100:1, 33:14, 48:8, concerned
62:20, 68:9, 110:1, 111:5, 55:5, 60:7, 51:5, 91:7,
77:5, 78:9, 112:21, 116:4, 60:9, 64:8, 104:13, 149:16
78:17, 79:7, 119:21, 124:8, 64:17, 68:19, concerning
84:1, 84:7, 130:11, 138:16, 77:10, 113:5, 29:11, 67:20,
133:21, 140:1, 139:2, 145:20, 115:15, 133:15, 76:22, 82:8,
141:12, 141:20, 149:18, 152:19, 134:9, 138:21, 115:7
142:1, 142:2, 153:3, 153:6 150:2 concerns
143:3, 143:11, committee's community's 24:10, 27:2,
145:10, 145:12 5:4, 5:14, 4:3, 12:21, 39:14, 41:20,
commenting 45:21 16:9 53:7, 54:1,
141:6 committees companies 114:14, 149:11
comments 14:12, 21:9, 23:12 conclude
5:21, 41:22, 139:1 company 25:7
42:4, 53:2, commonly 18:11 concluded
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112:19, 125:9, communicants 18:11 conclusion
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commit communicate 104:4 121:20, 121:21,
97:22, 149:11, 121:13 completely 135:3
150:15 communicating 137:11 condition
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27:4, 61:9, 93:5, 93:6, 142:12 149:10, 150:9
132:9, 132:13 93:16, 132:19, contacting conversations
conducted 135:8, 135:10, 68:18 39:19, 41:2,
22:4 153:17 contemporaneous 41:6, 43:22,
conducting congressional 149:9 60:6, 67:7,
24:7 31:4, 66:8, contemporaries 67:9, 68:10,
conducts 113:7, 153:12 152:13 75:4, 78:6,
23:4 congressmen content 78:10, 78:17,
conferral 82:21 53:5, 67:8, 78:21, 79:2,
127:11 consequence 149:7, 150:5, 80:12, 81:1,
confidence 33:18 151:3 92:1, 92:6,
110:21 consider contentious 96:15, 96:17,
confident 8:20 95:22, 96:2 99:15, 100:18,
102:16, 103:3, considerably continuation 124:6, 124:9,
133:1 18:2 49:3 124:17, 140:2,
confidential consideration continue 140:4, 140:5,
43:21, 44:14, 24:3 9:6, 15:5, 141:15, 142:2,
46:11, 62:2 considerations 18:8, 50:10, 142:6, 146:3,
confidentiality 6:16 75:20, 76:2, 149:5, 151:3
55:4 considered 76:6, 76:8, convey
confined 114:20 104:19, 120:16, 87:9
72:17 consistency 140:15, 147:8 cooperate
confirm 13:4 continued 43:6
39:1, 42:2 consistent 5:18, 54:4, cooperating
confirmation 16:9, 20:5, 89:11 102:17, 103:1
25:14, 42:19, 73:14 continues cooperation
43:5, 43:19, consolidated 11:14, 15:12, 48:19
45:15, 70:11, 76:14 76:9, 85:9 coordinate
147:16 constant continuing 118:9
confirmed 14:9 29:20, 109:11 coordination
30:8, 43:4, constantly continuous 102:19
96:6 60:21 27:13 copycatting
conflating constitution control 51:1
139:9 6:12, 14:17, 112:6, 127:6, cornyn
confused 20:7, 34:9, 127:21 133:8, 133:10,
77:4 52:11 conversation 133:11, 135:7,
confusion constitutional 36:18, 37:18, 135:13, 135:16,
65:15, 73:12, 4:13, 5:10, 45:8, 47:8, 136:19, 137:20,
74:1, 137:22 22:1, 34:17, 78:15, 79:12, 138:12, 140:13
congress 118:13, 119:15, 79:18, 80:3, correct
4:12, 4:17, 119:17 85:15, 91:18, 24:5, 52:19,
13:2, 15:2, constrained 96:19, 100:3, 76:12, 86:10,
16:12, 16:15, 60:19 100:12, 103:10, 87:15, 100:17,
16:21, 17:7, consult 103:11, 103:20, 105:18, 107:8,
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corrected 83:6, 84:2, 49:15, 50:8, courts
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cost 98:11, 98:21, 33:1, 42:8, 32:22
73:9 99:16, 99:21, 100:19, 110:19 coverage
costs 99:22, 100:3, couple 87:9, 87:10,
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cotton 102:20, 103:1, courier creating
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117:10, 117:13, 125:12, 125:20, course credibility
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118:3, 118:12, 127:5, 127:12, 25:13, 37:9, credible
119:2, 119:10, 127:16, 127:20, 40:11, 40:13, 52:2, 150:17
120:8, 120:11, 128:2, 129:4, 55:14, 63:6, credit
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121:1, 121:5, 131:12, 138:2, 86:22, 90:14, crime
121:7, 123:19, 139:6, 150:20, 90:16, 92:21, 90:3, 136:17,
133:16 155:8 134:11, 134:20, 137:2, 137:11
could counsel's 136:22, 137:6 criminal
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32:9, 32:12, 93:9, 93:14, 3:14, 9:8, 52:5, 89:17,
35:4, 39:22, 103:4, 112:22 17:4, 17:19, 89:21, 112:3,
46:5, 49:15, counsels 17:22, 18:10, 138:4, 141:9,
51:12, 51:16, 131:13, 131:20, 18:13, 20:3, 141:10, 141:18,
54:8, 58:2, 142:15 21:10, 21:15, 142:17
58:17, 64:19, count 21:19, 21:20, criteria
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112:16, 113:16, 3:9, 27:10, 59:6, 59:7, criterion
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120:6, 121:22, countermeasure 59:17, 59:18, critical
122:1, 122:6, 138:18 66:7, 86:14, 2:16, 3:5,
122:17, 123:3, countermeasures 86:15, 87:2, 27:13, 27:15,
124:21, 124:22, 138:18 103:12, 104:10, 136:12, 150:6
129:1, 129:6, counterparts 104:12, 104:15, crr
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132:9, 132:10, counterprolifera- 105:2, 105:3, crucial
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152:7 1:22, 155:14
counterterrorism 106:14, 106:15, curious
couldn't 27:10, 28:20, 107:21
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32:9, 72:17, current
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counsel courtesy 114:10
counting currently
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153:3 de-conflict define 127:22, 131:12,
cyber 149:20 56:4 131:21, 132:1,
11:17 deal defined 132:6, 132:9,
cycle 24:22, 132:3, 127:14, 128:1 139:7
32:12 138:19 defining department's
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d-ca 37:21 definite depending
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d-nm 140:8 definition depends
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d-or 30:8 definitive deputy
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d-ri 3:21, 4:1, degree 74:19, 136:20,
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d-va debated 132:11 derived
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d-wv december 24:3 described
109:15 2:19, 126:17, delegation 92:7, 134:6,
dag's 127:2 127:9 138:1, 145:8
112:18 decide deliberate describes
dais 59:19, 77:15 31:19 146:12, 146:22
108:17 decided delivered description
damaging 17:7, 24:9, 82:13 21:10, 53:18,
69:16, 69:22 27:20, 103:8 demand 149:10
dan decipher 153:20 deserve
2:6, 145:10 116:5 democrat 8:22, 81:17,
data decision 110:6 101:3
17:10, 55:18, demonstrated deserves
21:4, 23:10,
38:3, 38:6, 59:6, 77:11, 9:6 46:1, 101:5
66:20, 88:16, 135:12 demonstrating designed
88:19, 108:3, decision's 18:14 35:8, 35:10
108:4 54:20 denial desire
data's decisions 45:15 101:9, 113:15
109:10 126:6 deny destroyer
date declassify 39:2, 42:3 147:21
13:3 28:9, 121:9 department detail
dated deeply 2:8, 20:21, 11:3, 19:10,
127:2, 127:7 8:13, 152:14, 21:1, 24:22, 23:19, 28:6,
dates 152:15 31:9, 33:13, 138:3, 144:6,
146:13, 147:1 default 37:13, 51:19, 144:16, 145:8,
day 101:14, 101:17 51:22, 52:17, 146:12
defend 54:17, 55:21, detailed
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day-to-day defer 94:3, 101:12, 145:15, 145:16
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determine 25:19, 61:1, 96:16, 101:16, 102:19
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84:3, 114:9, 22:18 discussed 49:6, 49:7,
122:3, 122:4, diminished 25:21, 44:21, 57:19, 58:10,
135:5, 137:16 32:4 115:17, 122:21, 58:16, 60:10,
determined diplomat 127:17, 138:3, 71:9, 75:22,
24:6, 34:3 72:19 145:6, 145:21, 103:9, 106:1,
determining diplomats 146:14 107:1, 108:4,
124:9, 140:12, 17:6 discussing 108:19
140:19 direct 49:13 doj
deterred 47:20, 65:9, discussion 22:5, 23:14,
49:22 74:10, 98:1, 12:3, 16:20, 24:2, 54:8,
detonate 117:2, 127:4 25:9, 69:4, 89:20, 90:1
13:18 directed 85:15, 125:6 domestic
detrimental 38:12, 40:6, discussions 118:10, 148:18
71:13 44:16, 58:18, 74:11, 94:8, done
develop 63:5, 63:8, 94:9, 122:10 55:3, 55:13,
29:11 72:11, 77:20, dismissal 55:15, 59:11,
devise 103:22, 107:13 7:7 113:9, 113:10,
26:10 directing disrupt 122:5, 130:7,
devoid 72:12 123:6 136:2, 137:6
6:15 direction dissemination door
devote 50:6 21:4 10:10, 99:9
52:12 directly distinct doubting
dial 7:21, 23:11, 139:10 147:17
120:18 43:13, 92:12, distinction down
dialogue 98:8, 102:3, 42:9, 91:7, 25:16, 62:12
99:1, 99:2 112:15, 150:1 93:17, 93:22 downplay
dianne disagrees distinguished 7:18, 38:21,
52:22 57:12 39:10 39:5, 40:22,
dictate disappointed disturbing 43:12, 45:19,
116:15 41:12 144:7 47:5, 150:3
difference disclosed diversion drafted
22:13, 76:18 55:6 27:14 132:2, 132:3
different disclosing diversity draw
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56:6, 58:11, disclosure dni drop
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118:22, 119:9, discuss document during
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153:18 39:18, 40:12, documented 25:14, 30:3,
differently 41:1, 80:6, 138:21 40:8, 43:18,
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duties 123:6, 141:2 16:15 88:17, 88:19,
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e-mail 43:12, 50:5, 36:9, 36:15, entities
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each 141:8 end entity
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152:22 elected 32:3, 104:11, era
eager 110:22 137:8 131:12
9:16 election ends eric
earlier 32:11, 76:16, 36:18, 154:2 31:3
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earliest elections 9:10, 37:15 8:6
13:3 6:8, 75:9, engaged error
easy 75:13, 76:2 14:18 22:5
123:14 electronic engagements errors
ecstatic 17:4, 17:15, 21:6 22:16, 106:20
120:15 86:22, 119:6 england espionage
edward element 50:2 72:18
4:6 110:15 enjoyed essence
effect elements 139:16 6:16
39:4, 99:7, 119:9 enlist essential
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effective 15:9, 48:1, enormous essentially
5:6, 24:9, 49:2, 74:15, 42:15 131:15
25:2, 30:12 120:7, 133:3, enormously established
effectiveness 148:4 138:12 16:17, 19:8
6:3 else's enough estimate
effort 67:12 145:14, 145:18, 69:14, 121:9
32:11, 63:19, elsewhere 149:11 et
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84:21, 85:20, emphasize 6:3, 14:15, europe
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105:6 employed 22:16, 35:10, 12:10, 48:9,
efforts 155:9 50:9, 127:22 48:10, 49:9,
4:8, 5:18, employee ensures 49:12, 50:17
11:5, 26:3, 101:14 19:20 european
26:10, 28:20, enable ensuring 12:5, 48:14,
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50:5, 64:6, enabled 22:20, 71:13 europeans
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impartial inappropriate 132:11 information
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institutions 134:15 7:21, 39:4, 99:18, 99:20,
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intrusions 141:10, 141:19,
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50:21, 79:5, key
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145:2, 145:4, 116:18 29:7, 70:20 58:20, 67:16,
147:4, 147:7, latter least 95:17, 104:1,
147:8, 151:5 88:15 6:8, 7:17, 112:12, 123:8
knowing laughter 47:8, 47:9, letter
92:21, 117:15 120:14, 147:5 85:5, 102:5, 31:4, 31:11,
knowledge law 133:12, 138:13, 31:13, 83:19,
29:11, 57:21, 9:10, 16:10, 142:15, 149:9 127:2, 127:7,
65:9, 116:1, 17:1, 35:8, leave 127:8, 127:18
147:11, 148:19 35:9, 36:7, 59:18, 84:2 level
known 37:6, 37:15, led 32:7, 32:13,
2:18, 2:21, 52:5, 92:11, 104:6 106:6, 120:22,
21:13, 32:16, 106:4, 107:4, lee 149:9
55:12, 125:19 134:7, 137:17, 67:5 liberties
knows 148:20, 150:8 left 9:21, 11:7,
123:11, 148:17 law-abiding 51:11 11:20, 13:20,
korea 69:11 legal 16:11, 20:17,
27:12 lawful 15:15, 15:16, 27:7, 53:8,
L 4:14, 4:15, 18:21, 19:10, 58:7, 72:21,
lack 32:18, 121:12 35:10, 35:21, 108:21
50:12 laws 93:21, 94:6, liberty
laid 14:17, 32:21, 97:11, 97:14, 69:20, 71:14
58:9, 102:2 36:1, 52:11 97:16, 98:11, light
lane lawyers 117:5 83:17
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lanes 43:9, 47:3 legislation 68:13, 98:16
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lankford 3:11 51:6, 119:20, 141:9, 141:17
99:14, 102:14, lead 120:2, 139:5 likewise
102:15, 103:7, 37:18, 126:20 legislative 111:20
103:18, 104:3, leaders 3:13, 12:21 limit
105:7, 105:12, 6:13, 7:2, legislature 131:7, 131:8
105:15, 105:19, 7:17, 150:2, 131:22 limitations
106:17, 107:5, 151:13 legitimate 15:15, 15:17
107:10, 107:13, leadership 58:4, 58:14, limited
107:17, 108:6 3:8, 31:4, 137:6, 137:13 119:13, 127:14,
large 113:6, 113:7 length 128:2, 142:9
17:14, 50:5 leading 91:15 line
last 28:19 lengthy 20:15
8:8, 31:17, leak 33:21, 101:11, lines
32:20, 36:3, 126:19, 136:21, 128:4 13:19, 92:7
67:1, 87:21, 137:1 less linger
100:20, 142:21 leaking 12:10, 22:7 113:18
lastly 137:10, 137:11 lester links
51:3 leaks 83:14 38:17
later 55:5 let's list
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listed 116:8, 150:15 13:14, 20:4, matter
73:11 lose 22:13, 37:13, 6:19, 25:17,
listened 106:1, 151:12 40:2, 52:9, 38:11, 60:13,
55:11 lot 52:13, 57:1, 81:8, 81:11,
listening 5:2, 34:21, 59:13, 65:16, 81:12, 84:2,
111:3 46:10, 51:13, 70:11, 106:7, 88:16, 94:2,
literally 69:18, 74:1, 109:4, 110:20, 110:6, 117:3,
152:16 80:21, 113:19, 112:6, 113:18, 124:13, 124:15,
little 113:20, 113:21, 119:11, 123:7, 126:4, 127:2,
67:10, 135:17, 114:14, 128:22, 136:1 127:12, 137:11
135:19 131:4, 152:19 makes matters
live loud 6:17 44:16, 44:20,
145:4 151:14 making 44:21, 46:12,
lives low 149:19 48:18, 79:4,
12:13, 73:9, 22:6 managing 93:13, 113:4,
152:17 loyalty 112:3 113:8
located 78:8 manchester maybe
3:2, 13:12, M 9:4, 12:2 114:19, 136:15
15:19, 15:22, ma'am manchin mccabe
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17:12, 18:22, 124:11, 124:22 111:16, 111:18, 31:17, 31:22,
33:5, 73:21 made 111:22, 112:12, 32:1, 33:22,
location 24:16, 26:2, 113:14, 114:11, 52:7, 64:10,
29:17, 30:5, 26:3, 28:19, 115:3, 115:5, 64:14, 64:21,
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london 41:18, 42:1, 124:5 75:2, 75:3,
9:4 42:5, 54:17, mandates 78:5, 78:9,
lone 54:20, 55:18, 51:7 78:16, 78:19,
50:21 57:2, 59:6, manhattan's 79:4, 79:13,
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12:22, 103:9, 88:14, 95:20, many 84:19, 85:2,
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long-running 134:11, 135:11, 14:4, 50:11, 87:15, 87:18,
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longer main 82:22, 138:8 90:8, 90:14,
10:7, 42:9, march 90:16, 90:18,
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28:22, 37:11, make 121:5, 121:6,
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133:2, 136:15, members mike monitoring
136:19, 137:21, 10:6, 10:12, 2:11, 26:5, 14:1, 36:12,
138:9, 139:12, 10:19, 21:19, 26:7 36:20
139:15, 139:20, 36:4, 60:6, mile montalvo
139:22, 140:6, 64:8, 77:1, 119:15 1:22, 155:3,
140:10, 141:14, 99:17, 113:5, million 155:14
141:20, 148:5, 123:1, 131:18 28:18 month
148:7, 150:16, memo mind 32:21, 72:1
150:20 41:19, 42:3, 12:1, 123:10, more
mccabe's 45:6, 68:2, 135:1 18:18, 23:19,
129:9 68:8, 82:1 mine 29:16, 48:12,
mccain memorandum 119:8 50:4, 59:3,
143:21, 143:22, 82:8 minimalization 89:6, 89:13,
145:1, 145:15, memory 135:18, 136:8 89:14, 94:2,
146:9, 146:20, 76:3, 88:4, minimization 97:17, 123:8,
147:12, 147:22, 88:5, 104:5, 3:14, 19:22, 135:17, 144:7,
148:8, 148:10 104:9 21:5, 32:18, 144:19, 147:2,
mean memos 56:12 149:3, 151:6
26:9, 26:10, 67:11 minimize moreover
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96:1, 106:18, 6:18, 22:18 134:8 morning
116:2, 145:4, mentally minute 34:1, 38:14,
146:18, 148:8 120:7 86:21 44:17, 46:17,
meaningful mentioned minutes 60:18, 69:12,
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meant mentioning miss 144:3, 144:15,
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measures message missions most
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125:6, 138:19 145:5, 147:1 22:11, 22:13, 23:2, 24:9,
mechanism methodology 22:14 44:14, 44:18,
153:7, 153:15 26:15 misunderstood 80:13, 83:9,
media methods 127:13 108:6, 117:2,
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60:21, 61:4, metric 58:13 151:15
65:18, 109:7 69:10, 71:3 misusing mostly
meet might 51:18 38:12
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meeting 14:3, 39:15, 108:14 84:11
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melbourne 121:10, 123:7, 6:4, 141:1 110:16
9:4 123:15, 136:6, monitor move
member 138:18, 148:8 119:5 45:21, 83:10
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moved names 73:13, 98:21, nominate
10:8 73:7, 91:5, 101:17, 103:14, 87:6, 87:9
movements 135:20 104:16, 106:7, nomination
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112:5, 112:9, 3:22, 19:15, 85:7 related
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127:19, 127:22, 31:2, 32:5, neither 108:17, 125:16,
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mueller's 69:15, 70:15, networks note
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129:14, 129:15, 117:1, 118:18, never 22:11, 140:11
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multiple nationality 46:20, 46:21, 67:7
3:11, 138:22 16:1 47:21, 61:12, notes
must nations 61:15, 61:16, 67:11, 67:15,
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myself necessary news notification
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named 60:4, 61:7, 100:20 24:20, 25:11,
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26:19, 27:3, obstructs okay 45:19, 83:22,
28:21, 29:4, 150:13 54:10, 62:21, 90:4, 107:6,
29:7, 29:8, obtain 64:12, 68:5, 114:12, 114:17,
29:11, 29:16, 17:4, 33:15, 68:12, 84:6, 118:17, 135:11,
29:17, 33:6, 33:17 103:18, 104:3, 140:9
58:5, 65:22, obtained 125:2 open
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87:10, 103:8, obvious 108:7 62:3, 69:5,
109:3, 122:12, 48:7 once 76:4, 80:6,
123:13, 134:7, obviously 22:9, 43:11, 87:3, 96:16,
136:9, 151:19 7:4, 44:16, 45:16, 69:3, 111:6, 111:11,
nsa's 48:10, 48:16, 80:4, 103:20 146:7, 146:8,
24:13, 28:20, 77:13, 79:9, one 153:6
75:14 80:8, 125:5, 2:15, 2:21, opened
number 144:8, 146:22, 5:5, 14:4, 22:7, 99:8
21:12, 25:12, 149:10 24:7, 28:8, opening
27:18, 33:19, occur 28:14, 30:11, 11:10, 31:1
36:11, 37:10, 80:3 33:19, 36:11, operation
56:22, 57:1, occurred 37:10, 53:5, 30:4
69:10, 70:13, 11:22, 53:14, 56:6, 56:7, operational
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88:1, 88:9, october 57:11, 57:14, operator
88:22, 98:4, 104:6, 104:11, 60:15, 64:2, 107:2
106:21, 121:9, 104:12 65:12, 66:6, opinion
122:6, 122:7, odni 67:12, 69:2, 20:10, 106:9
123:4, 123:5, 22:5, 23:14, 70:6, 74:15, opportunity
123:14, 123:18, 24:2, 31:9, 88:3 88:12, 110:15, 5:3, 7:12,
132:15, 132:16, offer 119:18, 120:11, 11:3, 78:12,
134:16, 152:14 28:18 121:19, 123:4, 114:5, 114:8,
number's office 132:15, 133:12, 144:22, 145:2
88:5 20:21, 21:1, 133:15, 133:19, opposite
numerous 103:4, 104:1, 148:12, 148:15, 134:17
25:10, 49:19 106:20, 112:22 151:14 optic
O officer one's 18:6
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obligation 57:3, 116:14, 61:14, 61:17, 82:11, 87:2,
5:10, 5:14, 126:2, 144:4 62:10, 81:14, 121:12, 125:17,
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organization 69:17, 70:12, oversight 48:15, 50:2,
37:15, 37:16, 70:17, 71:16, 3:11, 4:9, 60:7, 75:22,
89:21 99:18, 100:19, 9:20, 13:1, 93:8, 141:2
organizations 103:11, 108:10, 13:21, 14:10, parties
108:9 109:6, 110:4, 15:4, 20:13, 153:8, 155:9
organized 113:2, 122:8, 20:15, 20:19, partnering
102:21 123:11, 123:12, 22:3, 23:6, 88:14
original 123:15, 130:18, 30:12, 61:2, partners
19:9 146:21, 147:10, 61:8, 66:9, 28:21, 29:16,
originally 149:2, 149:22, 79:10, 93:5, 29:18, 151:9
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originated outcome 139:3, 153:12, 49:4, 70:20
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15:14, 29:20, 3:2, 9:12, pages 17:18, 120:12
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42:7, 44:21, 87:14, 118:1, 4:2 past
45:5, 46:12, 118:18, 132:6, pakistan 14:18, 63:1
50:6, 55:6, 132:8 13:11 pat
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71:15, 105:17, over 63:18, 117:3 patently
118:20, 122:17, 8:8, 14:18, pardon 48:7
137:8, 147:19 18:3, 28:21, 82:18, 82:20 patience
others 29:14, 51:15, paris 11:9, 30:17
33:3, 75:22, 93:15, 98:4, 9:4 patrick
122:13, 135:20, 112:6, 120:13, part 127:1
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overlap 6:8, 17:14,
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67:12, 125:19, 140:21 56:12, 59:13, pbs
155:10 overreacted 70:19, 75:10, 1:7
ought 4:11 80:14, 81:20, peers
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ourselves overruled 141:9, 141:18 5:3, 8:21,
37:10, 37:17, 132:17 participating 17:11, 18:3,
48:20, 58:20 overseas 20:22 25:22, 50:14,
out 14:1, 14:7, particular 51:14, 51:16,
5:13, 12:6, 17:16, 17:19, 21:17, 33:16, 52:9, 52:14,
14:4, 38:19, 18:4, 108:10 59:9, 65:18, 52:18, 55:1,
40:21, 47:11, oversee 78:7 58:12, 60:19,
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58:9, 65:20, overseeing 22:3, 39:13, 71:10, 72:21,
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81:17, 110:21, 110:3, 112:9, place 83:8, 99:19,
114:3, 114:5, 125:15, 126:14, 9:22, 12:3, 100:6, 100:12,
118:16, 122:1, 128:22, 134:10, 36:21, 37:4, 101:4, 102:16,
122:15, 123:8, 135:6, 137:7 45:7, 57:18, 112:9, 112:19,
123:20, 132:15, person's 66:2, 87:4, 113:2, 130:18,
133:7, 136:4, 23:9, 26:15 104:7, 104:15, 137:4
137:5, 138:13, personal 106:5, 115:12, points
139:8, 145:7 29:12, 112:15 116:12, 122:17, 16:19, 143:2
percent personally 125:14, 134:8, policies
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36:11, 37:2, personnel plame's policy
131:20 68:18, 103:5 126:20 31:6
perhaps persons plan political
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91:4, 133:20, 15:21, 19:2, planning 8:13, 46:22,
136:14, 136:20 19:21, 20:1, 108:10 55:13, 110:7,
period 20:3, 22:2, plans 136:17
29:14, 40:9, 25:12, 26:19, 3:8, 13:18, politically
104:16 26:22, 27:5, 14:1 55:13, 110:16
permanent 35:1, 35:11, play politics
12:19, 30:15, 36:2, 36:9, 60:14, 83:18 60:13
119:19 56:11, 70:14, pleadings pompeo
permission 72:10, 72:13, 21:10 7:21
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permit 91:11, 107:3, 36:4, 40:1, 23:4, 24:12
126:3 107:11, 107:19, 51:13, 54:11, pose
permits 119:14, 121:10, 124:22 6:9, 8:16
59:16 134:3, 135:20 pleased posed
permitted perspective 10:20 128:19, 140:17
29:8 27:1, 27:7, pledge position
person 101:12 69:22, 122:8, 31:10, 42:14,
13:13, 16:3, persuasion 123:2 48:9, 61:1,
16:4, 16:5, 110:7 pledged 68:14, 69:17,
21:13, 35:14, phone 70:10 78:20, 85:1,
35:18, 35:19, 53:6, 118:6, plenary 93:3, 93:7,
36:14, 36:19, 137:8 127:10, 128:1 98:22, 101:15,
37:8, 38:6, phrase plenty 120:5, 120:16,
53:13, 54:19, 87:22 85:16 127:13, 144:13,
54:20, 54:21, pick plot 147:7, 153:17
56:5, 56:13, 137:21 9:7, 14:2 positions
56:15, 56:16, piece plots 8:17, 56:6,
56:21, 57:18, 10:22, 46:15, 9:9, 14:6 56:7, 133:3,
73:21, 73:22, 47:7, 54:9, plotting 153:2
86:13, 87:1, 54:12, 54:14, 50:20 possibility
87:4, 87:6, 135:2, 138:9, plus 142:5
87:12, 87:13, 138:10 40:3, 63:6 possible
87:18, 89:17, pitting point 13:3, 24:6,
90:3, 90:9, 3:22 28:14, 47:10, 28:1, 121:22

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post 43:11, 43:22, pretty 79:9, 95:5,
46:17, 68:21, 44:15, 44:18, 144:11, 145:15, 95:17, 98:20,
144:3, 144:15, 45:8, 45:16, 145:16, 149:13 99:6
145:9, 145:13, 45:18, 46:19, prevent privileges
145:19, 146:2, 47:4, 47:22, 23:16, 35:5 94:16
146:7, 146:12, 60:4, 61:5, previous privy
146:18, 147:4, 61:13, 61:17, 44:12, 62:20, 152:19
147:15 67:10, 67:13, 63:5, 63:13, probable
potential 68:17, 68:22, 96:21, 108:5, 18:15, 33:18,
9:9, 23:16, 76:11, 76:18, 125:8, 143:15 34:8
27:5, 37:11, 76:20, 77:1, previously probably
132:22, 138:4, 77:5, 77:12, 77:7, 97:5, 151:8
138:18, 140:16 77:14, 77:17, 124:12, 124:13 probe
potentially 78:6, 78:8, prides 144:5
64:9, 64:19, 78:11, 78:22, 8:9 problem
92:15, 106:13, 79:21, 80:13, primarily 23:15, 23:17,
135:9, 136:17, 81:2, 83:11, 2:22, 29:1, 24:7, 27:22,
137:2 83:15, 94:9, 54:16, 138:3 103:12, 103:15,
power 94:18, 95:4, primary 105:13
18:17 101:20, 102:2, 82:2, 82:3, procedure
practices 114:21, 115:6, 82:16, 151:19 37:4
134:8 115:19, 120:1, principled procedures
pre-existing 124:7, 124:12, 128:22 3:15, 19:19,
140:21 129:2, 141:11, printed 20:1, 21:3,
precedence 141:17, 142:7, 46:16, 145:19 21:5, 32:18,
93:15 142:16, 143:4, prior 51:6, 52:12,
precedent 143:10, 144:8, 40:12, 40:16, 56:12, 58:9,
128:13 146:4, 149:5, 99:17, 113:10, 58:10, 116:12,
preclude 149:22, 150:8 114:7, 115:16 121:22, 134:7,
35:8 president's priority 135:18, 136:1,
predominantly 39:15, 150:7 12:22 136:8
17:17 presidential privacy proceedings
prepared 75:9, 115:8 3:22, 9:21, 155:5, 155:6
41:20, 61:15, press 11:7, 11:19, process
62:3, 102:21 38:19, 41:9, 13:20, 16:10, 18:19, 18:21,
present 43:9, 43:10, 20:17, 22:2, 21:16, 23:6,
91:13, 91:14 47:4, 65:12, 22:20, 27:6, 25:5, 35:20,
presenting 82:10 27:20, 34:10, 53:19, 54:4,
15:10 pressure 51:5, 51:13, 56:10, 58:22,
preserved 46:21, 47:6, 53:8, 54:1, 59:14, 76:16,
133:15 149:6 58:7, 108:22, 77:15, 91:5,
president pressured 123:22, 135:5, 91:14, 97:18,
6:22, 7:8, 40:10, 46:20, 136:6, 136:13 104:22, 105:16,
7:16, 7:19, 47:21, 61:13, private 107:20, 135:22,
8:11, 38:19, 63:10, 80:2, 142:15, 146:3 136:16, 140:12
39:2, 39:12, 99:5, 143:5 privilege processes
40:2, 40:13, presume 74:11, 74:14, 37:7, 76:2
40:20, 41:2, 140:3 75:1, 75:5, produce
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71:3 prosecutor provider 134:10
produced 62:16, 142:12, 151:19 purpose
11:14, 15:11, 149:14, 149:15, provides 12:16, 38:2,
29:16, 32:12, 149:17 3:1, 3:18, 50:9, 87:5,
33:21 prosecutorial 11:19, 125:18, 88:1, 136:17,
products 126:5 126:9, 134:18 137:13
102:20 prosecutors providing purposes
professionals 34:2 85:5, 127:19 8:13, 15:20,
8:6, 13:4 protect provision 28:9, 55:8
program 3:19, 9:15, 133:17 pursue
6:2, 11:8, 9:21, 11:6, provisions 86:2, 86:5,
20:5, 20:12, 11:16, 15:13, 118:20, 153:14 86:12, 87:10,
20:19, 21:8, 33:8, 51:9, public 87:13, 119:8
22:4, 22:10, 56:11, 107:10, 4:4, 11:4, purview
24:19, 30:12, 119:15, 133:4, 11:5, 14:19, 92:8, 92:16
53:3, 53:4, 152:11 14:22, 16:22, pushback
53:6, 53:21 protected 20:10, 25:9, 51:13
program's 15:7, 17:11, 28:4, 36:5, put
54:6 18:22, 19:3, 42:16, 43:21, 38:4, 66:1,
prohibited 22:21, 57:22, 44:2, 44:12, 73:9, 104:7,
35:2, 72:12 58:12, 60:7, 45:1, 46:1, 104:15, 106:5,
prohibition 62:2, 129:4 62:14, 70:1, 107:21, 110:21,
16:6, 35:5, protecting 81:1, 82:7, 116:2, 116:12,
92:10 3:6, 12:12, 82:9, 82:10, 122:17, 129:15,
proliferators 20:1, 22:2, 82:12, 82:22, 151:14
11:17 72:20, 73:14, 84:15, 88:16, puts
promise 147:13 101:4, 103:11, 60:22
69:13 protection 109:7, 110:15, putting
promised 16:10, 58:7 116:7, 124:13, 69:13
69:9 protections 124:16, 125:13, puzzled
promptly 9:22, 10:1, 142:15, 145:7 91:16
10:11, 23:14 11:19, 19:8, public's Q
promulgated 90:12 8:7, 45:12 qaeda
56:17 protective publicly 13:10
properly 136:5 2:16, 7:18, quality
54:22, 141:12 proud 20:8, 23:18, 110:9
proposal 22:3, 43:5, 76:20, 101:16, queried
24:20 110:1, 148:4 146:2, 151:18
published 91:6
proposed provide queries
18:16, 25:1, 6:14, 11:6, 88:19, 146:17
pull 23:8, 103:9,
25:5 14:22, 28:8, 107:1
prosecute 43:1, 44:8, 7:22 query
52:6 57:15, 69:9, purge 91:7, 109:9
prosecuted 75:14, 127:18, 38:3, 38:6 querying
137:14 130:11, 145:1, purged
147:9, 149:9 21:4
prosecution 109:10 question
52:6 provided purging
155:7 6:9, 23:20,
prosecutions 108:3, 108:4,
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26:12, 36:3, 99:11, 100:16, raises 77:19, 114:17,
37:17, 43:18, 100:22, 101:3, 27:2, 123:17 119:18, 121:20
49:16, 53:11, 102:1, 108:22, raising reasonable
53:15, 53:21, 111:4, 111:7, 53:22 9:13
54:15, 54:16, 112:13, 112:22, ranking reasons
58:4, 59:4, 113:11, 113:19, 51:18 15:2, 78:19,
62:4, 62:15, 114:6, 114:13, ranks 121:19, 141:22
64:4, 64:5, 117:2, 117:5, 28:13 reassess
64:15, 65:16, 130:13, 133:13, rarely 58:20
70:4, 70:8, 143:20, 149:3 67:18 reassuring
71:4, 71:15, quibble rates 136:3
74:6, 76:15, 128:21 22:6 reauthorization
77:4, 77:9, quickly rating 4:19, 9:2,
79:20, 81:6, 13:15 121:3 9:19, 12:19,
81:18, 83:3, quite ratio 30:15, 31:5,
83:10, 84:10, 6:17 53:11 114:22
84:13, 91:17, quote rationale reauthorize
91:20, 92:13, 13:21, 32:22, 140:1, 141:6 9:18
92:19, 93:4, 42:21, 44:8, rd reauthorized
94:8, 94:20, 71:2, 86:8, 68:16 15:4
95:3, 95:15, 125:12, 126:1, rdr reauthorizing
95:16, 97:19, 127:4, 127:10, 9:14
114:2, 114:21, 1:22, 155:14
127:11, 127:20, re-create recall
122:14, 123:17, 128:1, 139:16 40:9, 85:14,
124:4, 125:5, 32:10
R re-institute 89:1
126:17, 128:17, receive
128:18, 128:20, r-ar 106:14
116:20 reach 21:9
129:14, 130:10, received
131:2, 134:14, r-az 27:17, 77:11,
136:14, 142:20, 143:22 100:6 12:7, 49:20,
142:21, 148:12, r-fl read 57:14, 65:7
151:8 60:2 36:7, 142:9, receives
question's r-id 144:7, 144:16, 23:11
67:10 47:14 147:14 recent
questions r-me reading 6:6, 6:21,
6:9, 8:15, 73:17 56:20, 57:9, 20:10, 23:6,
8:22, 10:13, r-mo 145:5, 147:4 23:7, 50:17
30:19, 30:22, 84:19 ready recently
37:10, 38:10, r-nc 144:19 7:16, 11:21,
39:12, 46:2, 2:3 realize 49:9, 50:2, 69:8
61:10, 62:17, r-ok 5:9, 45:22, recertification
67:20, 68:4, 102:15 80:7, 80:9, 21:16
78:13, 82:22, r-tx 132:21 recipient
95:4, 95:9, 133:11 really 24:16
95:18, 96:5, raise 26:10, 33:6, recipients
97:2, 97:3, 53:7 55:18, 57:4, 56:18
98:1, 98:8, raised 112:4, 113:21, reclusive
98:15, 99:9, 53:12 116:3, 123:17 29:21
reason recognize
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52:8, 55:2, 143:1, 143:17 regularly reliability
148:11 refer 14:11, 21:15 104:8, 106:6,
recognized 87:7 regulation 106:12, 106:18
10:12, 10:15 reference 132:2, 132:12, relied
recollection 36:13, 56:13 132:18 75:10
40:5, 40:8 referenced regulations rely
recommend 24:17 125:20, 126:3, 118:20
106:14 referral 127:16, 128:2, remain
recommendations 90:9 129:4, 129:11, 9:22, 57:21
58:12 referred 130:4 remains
reconvene 16:5, 140:14, reiterate 26:13, 57:17
10:9 153:8 30:13, 112:18 remarks
record referring reiterated 28:7
22:4, 22:18, 24:13, 33:9, 76:6 remember
43:15, 66:18, 65:19, 84:14, rejected 43:4, 92:3
67:12, 67:17, 85:3, 92:1, 69:21 remind
73:13, 73:14, 138:9 relate 5:5, 57:16
82:7, 82:9, refers 86:18 reminded
82:10, 82:12, 23:10 related 12:11
82:22, 84:15, reflected 29:7, 44:20, reminds
88:12, 88:17, 17:10 49:4, 67:13, 35:22
89:4, 89:10, reflects 155:8 remove
94:5, 124:14, 74:15 relates 38:4, 126:10
124:16, 151:21, refusal 48:15 removed
155:5 91:16, 91:19, relationship 129:6
recorded 92:19, 94:6, 47:1, 103:3, renewing
155:5 97:2, 97:15 116:14 19:5
recording refusing relative reno
2:2, 154:2, 97:14, 99:10, 46:11, 49:18, 132:2
155:7 143:6 68:11, 98:12, reoccurring
recusal regard 116:13, 122:13, 23:17
83:17, 84:7, 54:15, 102:12, 140:16 repeat
84:8, 84:13, 128:14, 139:18 relatively 16:14, 120:6,
84:14 regarding 34:12, 51:7 152:12
recuse 4:15, 19:10, relay repeatedly
102:7 19:15, 48:17, 42:10 4:13, 66:1
recused 52:1 release repeating
126:18 regardless 73:7, 82:11 61:20, 95:20
redacted 16:1, 50:3 released report
20:8 regards 20:8 13:21, 14:11,
redoubled 109:19, 129:18 releasing 37:12, 37:20,
4:7 regime 80:8 37:22, 56:10,
reed 17:9, 17:10 relevant 56:14, 56:16,
139:12, 139:13, regular 3:15, 21:9, 56:18, 57:4,
139:21, 140:7, 21:2, 21:6, 25:3, 47:7, 57:14, 57:17,
141:5, 141:15, 21:16, 40:13, 55:7, 69:10, 65:18, 76:8,
142:4, 142:11, 48:12, 59:13, 71:3, 95:12, 76:11, 76:21,
142:14, 142:19, 76:3, 122:16 137:9, 147:9 77:7, 77:13,

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88:4, 89:19, 26:19, 33:17, response 35:4, 35:7,
103:19, 116:7, 34:9, 34:11, 46:17, 53:20, 35:12, 35:16,
132:18, 146:7 52:13, 132:18, 56:22, 83:12, 117:14
reported 153:2 85:8, 86:3, review
20:20, 22:17, requirement 124:4, 143:14, 3:16, 58:18,
24:1, 66:6, 33:4, 33:7, 146:1, 150:4, 104:2, 105:16
66:8, 66:10, 37:12, 91:12 150:5 reviewing
68:21, 85:17, requirements responsibilities 34:1
103:19, 105:7, 3:12, 153:19 22:1, 138:16, reviews
145:21, 146:8 requires 139:4, 140:22 20:4
reporting 19:13, 19:18, responsibility reward
3:7, 3:11, 19:22, 125:14, 140:15, 150:21 28:18
21:7, 34:21, 134:7 responsible richard
65:1, 145:13 research 83:7, 119:1 2:3
reports 26:20, 27:5 responsibly right
6:21, 7:15, researched 52:10 26:8, 26:10,
8:3, 21:13, 23:22 responsive 31:15, 55:17,
38:19, 39:1, resilience 26:14 58:10, 65:20,
40:20, 41:9, 12:8 rest 76:3, 87:19,
42:18, 43:9, resource 43:10, 47:3, 90:7, 90:18,
43:11, 47:4, 18:18, 18:20, 102:2, 114:3 94:3, 107:8,
65:12, 102:1 85:22 restoring 114:14, 130:9,
represent resources 19:7 135:13, 144:17
21:21 27:15, 27:16, restricted rights
republican 34:6, 52:13, 113:13 15:6, 51:5,
110:6 85:16, 86:2, restrictions 118:13, 119:15,
republicans 86:4, 86:5, 9:20 119:17, 121:16,
119:21 103:5 result 122:2, 123:22
request respect 4:6, 28:2, rigorous
10:21, 31:13, 8:14, 32:8, 106:7, 123:3 14:9, 20:13,
39:9, 43:7, 43:3, 45:2, resulted 30:12
56:9, 56:22, 45:3, 47:18, 23:2 risch
57:1, 57:2, 48:22, 56:2, results 47:13, 47:14,
57:7, 68:19, 62:7, 67:8, 115:15 48:4, 51:10,
100:4, 103:6 76:1, 110:9, return 52:16, 52:20
requested 110:12, 129:1 9:1, 104:18, rising
57:13, 76:11, respectful 143:1 28:13
76:20 141:2 returned risk
requests respectfully 12:10, 30:6, 66:2
25:9, 25:10, 71:1, 130:16 49:11 risks
64:16, 76:18, respond reveal 48:10
77:12, 89:6, 26:12, 46:5, 112:10 road
102:18 46:15, 55:22, revealed 62:12, 140:20
require 71:17, 73:3, 13:11 robert
17:18, 32:21, 98:16, 124:22 revealing 129:3, 129:9
34:6, 34:7, responded 57:18, 73:7 robust
34:13 43:18, 74:10, reverse 4:9, 9:20,
required 78:16 16:6, 35:2, 29:11, 48:19,
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103:3, 153:14 137:20, 138:6, 138:1, 138:7, satellite
rod 142:4, 142:8, 138:14, 138:20, 17:18, 17:20,
2:9 148:2, 148:3, 140:16, 140:18, 17:21, 18:5
roger's 150:11, 150:12 140:22, 144:11, satisfied
58:9 routed 147:3 97:9
role 3:4 russians saved
7:13, 20:18, routinely 75:12, 75:22, 152:16
83:17, 138:2 65:22 76:15, 76:22 saw
roll roy S 145:20
5:1 84:19 safe say
ronald rubio 5:11, 5:15, 4:10, 4:15,
67:5 60:1, 60:2, 11:12, 50:15, 7:6, 7:8, 10:6,
rose 62:6, 62:13, 50:18 24:20, 26:2,
107:17 62:21, 63:8, said 26:6, 35:13,
rosenstein 63:11, 63:15, 20:12, 42:21, 47:2, 51:3,
1:8, 2:9, 7:13, 63:17, 64:2, 43:6, 44:6, 56:15, 56:19,
31:9, 31:14, 64:5, 64:12, 57:6, 61:4, 60:19, 61:15,
33:9, 34:19, 64:18, 64:22, 62:17, 65:4, 63:12, 69:3,
51:12, 51:20, 65:3, 65:11, 69:13, 71:2, 77:19, 78:7,
52:19, 52:20, 65:20, 66:13, 72:16, 72:18, 80:5, 80:10,
54:13, 55:10, 66:19, 67:3, 73:13, 79:19, 83:10, 88:6,
55:17, 55:21, 85:4 84:21, 85:18, 89:11, 91:9,
59:2, 59:15, rubric 94:15, 104:18, 99:14, 100:11,
63:22, 65:14, 85:10 105:9, 105:11, 106:9, 106:17,
65:15, 67:18, rule 105:12, 106:7, 108:12, 110:16,
68:3, 68:6, 101:17, 101:19 107:3, 111:12, 112:12, 113:14,
74:20, 74:21, rules 122:15, 127:11, 114:15, 115:14,
81:10, 81:22, 19:19, 66:1, 130:5, 135:4, 115:21, 122:16,
82:5, 82:15, 118:15, 118:22 141:8, 152:16, 143:17, 143:18,
82:18, 82:20, run 155:5 143:19, 145:18,
83:4, 83:21, 91:8, 144:2 same 147:18, 150:7,
84:12, 90:1, running 7:11, 11:18, 152:12
90:4, 99:16, 18:6, 65:20 18:8, 18:20, saying
101:7, 101:8, russia 31:7, 32:7, 42:17, 60:22,
101:21, 102:10, 43:8, 67:14, 40:8, 68:14, 64:22, 73:3,
111:22, 112:1, 68:6, 68:11, 74:18, 95:3, 80:18, 80:21,
118:12, 118:14, 83:13, 144:5 97:1, 106:10, 114:12, 123:11,
121:1, 121:2, russian 141:22, 142:19, 125:3
125:11, 125:21, 5:4, 6:7, 7:9, 148:1, 148:6, says
126:8, 126:12, 7:19, 32:11, 149:21 106:10, 108:19,
127:17, 128:3, 38:18, 38:21, sample 123:13
128:9, 128:15, 40:22, 43:13, 71:11 scale
128:18, 130:1, 67:20, 75:8, sampling 4:22, 120:11
130:3, 130:17, 75:16, 79:22, 69:14 scenario
131:1, 131:3, 83:7, 84:22, sanity 35:12, 36:14,
135:9, 135:14, 85:11, 85:20, 147:17 37:1
136:15, 136:18, 86:8, 115:7, sasc scenarios
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scheduled 29:19, 30:8, self-proclaimed services
10:7, 113:17 30:10, 32:16, 28:15 18:2, 68:16,
school 33:13, 34:22, self-reported 96:7, 123:21
28:16 48:4, 48:15, 20:22 serving
scif 49:4, 52:4, senate 45:4, 110:2
116:18 53:2, 53:14, 1:9, 2:7, session
scope 73:20, 74:2, 14:13, 28:2, 10:10, 23:20,
4:22, 23:15, 114:22, 116:22, 111:5, 122:12, 28:5, 43:21,
79:5, 84:3, 117:6, 118:17, 131:14, 139:1 44:2, 44:12,
84:8, 114:9, 119:5, 119:12, senator's 80:6, 91:4,
140:8, 140:13, 119:19, 121:11, 114:2 97:19, 97:21,
140:20 148:17 senators 98:2, 98:8,
scores security 82:21, 83:1 98:15, 111:11,
27:8 2:10, 3:22, sender 114:5, 122:11,
scream 22:22, 23:3, 24:15 122:21, 144:18,
151:14 32:5, 33:8, seniority 146:8, 153:6
seamless 40:4, 56:3, 10:13 sessions
119:11 60:11, 63:7, sense 83:17
search 69:15, 69:19, 55:13 set
29:1, 91:8 70:16, 71:12, sensitive 2:19, 19:19,
searches 71:14, 103:16, 30:9, 98:20, 37:7, 43:15,
69:12 113:4, 117:1, 101:9, 113:3, 114:2
second 120:1, 120:17, 113:7, 128:3, setting
18:4, 19:18, 136:12 147:14, 153:16 60:8, 102:18,
27:8, 28:14, see sensitivity 111:6, 111:9,
36:14, 37:17, 30:9, 45:14, 57:17, 153:5 112:17
43:19, 84:11 49:7, 58:8, separate settings
secondly 76:6, 143:7, 65:13 113:13
15:14, 15:20, 150:21 separately seven
46:14, 56:8 seek 38:20, 39:2 8:8, 119:21
seconds 9:13, 34:3, september several
51:11, 84:1, 63:20, 86:18 4:20, 31:6 2:20, 37:10,
151:6 seeking series 134:15
section 13:13, 64:18 97:1 shall
2:22, 3:1, 3:5, seeks serious 126:1
5:12, 9:3, 9:8, 86:22, 150:17 27:19, 72:4, shape
9:15, 9:19, seem 144:12 40:21
10:10, 11:4, 80:15, 119:12, seriousness shaping
11:13, 11:18, 149:18, 149:21 52:1 46:22
12:11, 13:7, seems serve share
13:9, 14:2, 45:18, 133:11, 139:2 44:22, 49:18,
15:1, 15:15, 141:7 served 50:10, 50:13,
15:18, 16:14, seen 42:8, 43:3, 62:1, 69:19,
16:18, 16:21, 7:15, 88:22 145:19 78:5, 79:11,
19:11, 20:12, selectively service 79:17, 80:22,
23:9, 28:12, 80:16, 80:18 8:14, 18:10, 81:1, 81:13,
29:2, 29:3, selector 40:9, 45:3, 124:8, 124:9,
29:9, 29:14, 87:7 46:18, 109:18 124:10, 146:3,

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149:7 significant 147:19, 151:11, 100:6, 100:7,
shared 11:15, 19:6, 151:22, 152:6, 101:4, 104:16,
44:15, 81:4, 23:3, 26:20, 152:9 106:1, 111:3,
99:17 27:2, 29:4, sit 111:4, 113:11,
shares 34:6, 66:14, 91:22, 97:17 116:6, 117:4,
52:7 73:10, 120:17, sitting 123:3, 132:4,
shift 137:4 25:16, 92:22, 137:22, 144:6,
122:1 significantly 111:2, 146:10 144:15, 146:12,
shifted 89:6 situation 147:20, 149:9,
27:9 similar 46:13, 54:18, 150:10, 151:13
short 43:18, 76:7 144:19, 146:10 somebody
24:20, 39:6, similarly situations 55:11, 132:6,
68:7, 70:6, 127:18 49:8, 107:2 132:7, 132:8,
128:10 simple slightly 136:21, 137:12
shots 79:20, 80:9 20:8 somebody's
30:4 simply small 55:6
should 19:11, 80:2, 113:13 somehow
9:19, 50:16, 80:10, 80:21, smarter 149:4
54:2, 54:4, 111:8 54:9, 54:13 someone
55:12, 58:10, since snowden 51:17, 52:3,
81:4, 96:19, 4:16, 4:19, 4:6 64:19, 65:4,
97:11, 108:8, 14:8, 16:12, snowden's 65:6, 94:13,
108:12, 127:12, 16:15, 31:10, 4:11 121:12, 123:11,
128:16, 133:16, 31:17, 51:18, social 136:16
153:16 85:13, 112:5, 50:22 someone's
show 113:16, 113:18, soil 135:5
104:20, 106:3 140:8, 143:13 117:20, 119:13, something
showing single 119:18 7:6, 37:21,
34:7, 34:9 76:14 solemnly 47:22, 58:3,
shown sir 96:8 58:11, 58:21,
12:9, 22:5 32:1, 39:22, solution 61:6, 63:12,
shows 41:4, 41:8, 24:6, 24:18, 77:20, 99:7,
50:2, 109:8, 41:10, 42:1, 25:2, 25:5, 104:5, 104:11,
145:3 42:5, 42:13, 104:7, 104:15, 108:18
sic 63:14, 65:2, 105:2, 105:4, sometimes
76:4, 114:18 78:9, 91:21, 106:5, 106:11 56:19, 144:2,
side 92:5, 92:15, solutions 153:8
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sides 95:21, 96:3, some 140:22
9:17 96:21, 99:2, 4:10, 6:9, somewhere
signal 103:2, 107:12, 7:15, 8:15, 120:7
117:3 107:16, 108:2, 11:3, 38:10, sooner
signature-sxeww 112:17, 118:10, 45:7, 47:4, 110:13, 116:2,
155:12 120:7, 120:20, 47:9, 47:10, 116:18, 123:20
signed 125:1, 129:12, 50:12, 56:18, sorry
105:17 130:2, 139:20, 73:3, 73:6, 64:13, 65:13,
significance 140:6, 140:10, 73:9, 88:1, 84:12, 88:8,
137:10, 138:8 141:14, 141:21, 92:10, 93:21, 92:5

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sort specified 31:6, 44:12, statutorily
71:16, 87:8 126:6, 126:11 63:3, 63:5, 59:8, 129:22
sources spent 63:14, 82:12, statutory
73:15 28:21, 33:22 116:11, 122:15, 32:3
spats spies 125:18, 126:14, step
48:17 17:5 134:22 58:19, 86:21,
speak spotlight states 91:13
25:7, 72:8, 4:4 2:7, 3:3, 3:4, stepping
79:14, 112:8, spring 4:7, 9:12, 93:8
131:5, 138:13, 103:8 12:17, 13:12, steps
148:3 st 14:7, 14:17, 141:3
speaking 2:19 16:1, 17:6, still
60:21, 112:1 stack 17:11, 18:7, 11:22, 27:22,
speaks 34:1 19:3, 25:12, 84:22, 86:6,
81:6, 84:15, staff 33:5, 34:18, 86:9, 95:1,
109:20 27:22, 28:3, 40:2, 41:3, 109:11, 122:5,
special 89:2, 98:4, 43:12, 46:19, 122:18, 139:17,
62:16, 79:6, 122:11, 122:12, 47:22, 50:18, 139:19, 143:11
82:10, 83:6, 123:1 60:5, 60:12, stop
84:2, 85:11, stake 61:5, 73:22, 24:7, 24:10,
92:8, 92:16, 34:11, 69:17 77:13, 77:14, 103:9, 107:21,
93:4, 93:9, stakes 82:15, 82:21, 108:4, 151:10
93:14, 93:18, 8:19 86:13, 87:14, stopped
99:16, 99:21, stand 93:6, 93:15, 103:13, 109:10
100:3, 100:8, 41:3, 41:22, 94:18, 95:5, store
102:17, 102:20, 42:4, 44:11, 101:20, 102:3, 51:17
103:1, 103:4, 62:19, 63:4, 118:2, 118:5, story
112:19, 112:21, 63:13, 77:7, 118:15, 118:18, 145:5
113:11, 125:11, 95:14, 95:19, 118:19, 119:4, straight
125:20, 126:1, 96:21, 125:8, 125:22, 129:3, 4:18, 6:19,
126:22, 127:5, 143:15 139:1, 141:11, 31:5, 43:15,
127:12, 127:16, standard 141:17, 144:9, 120:18
127:20, 128:2, 146:4, 150:1 straightforward
34:17, 80:16 stating
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10:11, 39:7, statistical
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specific started strengthened
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19:13, 19:18, 15:8, 16:7
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specifically 19:22, 20:6,
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35:22, 37:7, 83:11, 91:21, strong
38:3, 40:20, 59:16, 107:6,
125:12 107:9, 119:9, 11:19
143:9 statement strongly
specifics 131:10, 131:17
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structure 133:17 32:15, 59:7, 114:4, 116:4,
35:21, 134:17 sunsets 87:1 122:15, 127:1,
subject 53:21 susan 141:3, 145:18,
3:10, 4:9, 9:1, sunsetted 73:17 151:16, 152:8,
14:9, 20:13, 131:17 suspected 153:1
25:8, 25:17, supervision 17:5 taken
30:11, 100:14, 126:2, 127:5, suspend 6:12, 12:3,
117:2, 121:10, 127:21 130:8, 130:20 50:5, 67:19,
125:7, 126:1, support suspicion 68:10, 68:11
142:17, 150:10, 19:7, 31:12, 9:13 takes
150:14 43:5, 53:3, swear 93:15
subjects 75:11, 83:5, 96:8 taking
146:13 91:2, 114:22, swept 45:20, 45:21,
subsequent 115:4, 115:5, 69:11 50:21, 102:22
25:15, 30:7, 119:18, 119:21, swore talk
115:18, 127:7 139:16 97:12 5:4, 10:21,
subsequently supported sympathetic 11:10, 36:13,
12:3 33:18 131:7 39:18, 40:17,
subset supporter sympathies 48:13, 48:21,
88:17, 89:6 9:14 12:6 48:22, 78:21,
substance supporting sympathy 85:22, 108:16,
39:8, 41:19 103:5 147:15 116:22, 137:22,
substantially supports syria 145:8, 151:18
22:6, 22:7, 120:3, 120:9 118:4, 119:3 talked
47:20 supposed system 51:4, 58:5,
subway 48:5, 119:16 22:11, 22:12, 58:15, 70:17,
13:19, 14:2 supreme 107:15, 109:8, 83:14, 134:10,
succeeded 21:20 121:3 135:21, 149:15
14:3 sure systems talking
success 8:21, 9:17, 33:3 37:19, 40:15,
22:18 20:4, 41:15, T 55:12, 64:10,
successes 52:9, 52:13, 95:1, 98:21
table talks
12:15 54:13, 64:14, 93:2, 153:10
successful 65:16, 65:17, 35:18
tackle tangibly
29:1 86:20, 90:8,
97:16, 109:4, 27:22 57:5
successfully tactical
5:13 110:20, 119:10, target
119:11, 136:1, 29:18 3:2, 9:7,
suffering take
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147:20, 148:5, 6:8, 11:3, 15:22, 16:2,
suggest 14:15, 33:10,
58:21, 127:13 149:19 18:16, 24:15,
surrounding 50:7, 50:16, 33:16, 35:11,
suggested 54:11, 58:8,
33:3, 112:4 7:7 35:17, 36:2,
surveillance 66:18, 67:11, 36:18, 36:19,
suggesting 67:15, 67:18,
58:6 2:18, 3:14, 36:22, 50:17,
17:2, 17:5, 68:13, 88:12, 72:3, 73:21,
suit 89:4, 89:10,
4:20 17:15, 18:16, 108:15, 109:11,
18:21, 19:2, 90:8, 94:1, 117:10, 117:13,
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134:2, 134:3, 91:22, 97:12, 47:18, 47:20, theoreticals
134:15, 134:22 106:18, 110:11, 51:14, 94:13, 39:18, 40:18
targeted 114:12, 123:13, 98:6, 99:7, theory
19:21, 72:19, 147:2 152:22 35:16
117:8 ten th therefore
targeting 14:8, 16:12, 30:3, 76:6, 18:19, 30:13,
16:6, 19:18, 16:15, 51:15, 84:20, 104:6, 141:12
20:2, 21:3, 120:11, 120:13 104:12, 125:12, thing
32:17, 34:22, term 127:2, 139:15 87:8, 98:18,
35:1, 35:3, 108:7 thank 106:10, 114:12,
35:5, 35:6, termed 2:5, 5:22, 6:1, 133:12, 133:19
35:7, 35:12, 35:2 10:3, 10:5, things
35:16, 36:16, terms 10:14, 10:18, 15:8, 49:6,
117:14, 119:14 11:6, 47:8, 30:17, 30:20, 60:15, 60:22,
targets 75:16 34:19, 38:7, 100:7, 109:1,
5:7, 17:8, terribly 38:9, 38:13, 138:15
27:6, 53:10, 9:3 46:3, 47:12, think
71:18, 71:20, terror 47:14, 47:16, 4:10, 4:14,
72:6, 72:9, 152:4 48:1, 48:3, 13:8, 26:3,
72:11, 72:12, terrorism 51:10, 52:20, 33:11, 34:15,
72:22, 73:3, 5:6, 11:16, 53:1, 58:1, 37:21, 42:6,
73:6, 73:7, 15:13 59:1, 59:11, 46:9, 47:9,
73:12 terrorist 59:21, 60:2, 47:19, 48:7,
task 3:8, 9:9, 9:15, 67:3, 67:5, 50:16, 51:8,
77:16 17:22, 18:9, 73:1, 73:17, 55:1, 55:17,
teacher 28:17, 50:7, 73:19, 74:4, 56:13, 58:14,
28:16 108:9, 118:4, 77:22, 84:17, 61:3, 62:1,
team 119:3, 123:21, 90:19, 90:21, 67:21, 69:16,
140:11 151:10 99:12, 101:8, 69:22, 71:13,
technical terrorists 103:7, 109:12, 72:1, 72:16,
25:22, 70:18, 9:6, 17:5, 109:15, 109:17, 72:17, 72:18,
104:7, 104:14, 18:22, 108:10, 116:9, 116:18, 74:1, 76:5,
106:5, 106:11, 108:15 116:20, 124:3, 79:4, 79:13,
114:3 testified 125:10, 131:3, 79:17, 80:12,
technicalities 32:20, 38:16, 135:16, 139:11, 80:18, 81:5,
98:4 61:12, 68:16, 139:13, 139:21, 81:14, 81:16,
technicians 75:10, 76:4, 143:20, 148:9, 81:19, 83:22,
122:12 77:7, 94:12, 148:13, 148:21, 85:3, 85:14,
technology 99:4, 139:15, 149:1, 150:22, 91:21, 94:7,
17:16, 18:1, 150:3 151:4, 152:21, 94:12, 100:5,
18:20 testify 153:21 101:1, 104:11,
tell 46:8, 78:11, thanks 106:6, 106:22,
6:19, 51:12, 97:15 52:22, 59:21, 108:16, 109:19,
51:16, 54:14, testifying 148:10 109:20, 110:3,
55:11, 56:20, 99:7 themselves 111:12, 111:14,
61:21, 66:22, testimony 20:16, 108:14 112:13, 113:21,
72:2, 72:14, 1:8, 5:17, theoretically 116:4, 116:7,
72:21, 73:13, 10:16, 38:13, 129:5, 132:21 116:17, 118:16,

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121:3, 123:15, 21:16, 25:22, today 28:19, 66:21,
134:5, 136:3, 28:13, 49:20, 2:5, 2:15, 67:2, 77:18,
137:3, 137:4, 50:5, 50:19, 6:11, 7:11, 8:3, 89:9, 144:3
137:21, 138:2, 50:22, 70:18, 8:16, 10:12, topic
138:14, 140:10, 77:15, 98:11, 10:15, 10:20, 65:13
143:2, 146:1, 104:9, 104:17, 11:21, 13:6, total
146:6, 147:6, 104:22, 105:16, 15:10, 39:17, 89:12
153:10 107:20, 114:3, 40:18, 42:1, totally
thinking 121:22 42:5, 60:16, 123:5
7:9 throughout 62:4, 67:19, tough
third 49:14 74:10, 74:14, 26:10
15:21, 16:7, throw 75:1, 75:5, toward
57:6, 149:8 49:1 75:10, 79:7, 44:16, 61:10
thirdly thrust 86:6, 94:7, towards
19:22 4:4 97:3, 97:13, 90:10
thorough thwart 99:11, 142:10 town
33:20 14:6 today's 44:19, 145:14,
thoroughly tie 28:9, 94:13, 145:18, 146:15
59:3, 131:2 57:5 111:2, 120:2 track
thought time together 22:4, 29:21
44:6, 106:21, 5:1, 6:9, 6:10, 50:10, 53:16, traditional
108:19, 146:3 11:18, 17:16, 69:13, 119:8, 18:10, 18:12
thousands 27:18, 31:10, 144:2 trained
122:2 33:19, 34:1, told 27:3
threat 34:5, 36:12, 8:1, 41:13, transcribed
51:2, 76:4 37:2, 46:18, 46:6, 46:15, 1:22, 2:1,
threatened 62:22, 65:21, 70:14, 70:15, 155:6
61:13 70:5, 72:14, 71:7, 71:10, transcriber
threats 86:3, 99:19, 104:15, 106:10, 155:1
3:8, 4:22, 104:16, 104:17, 123:10, 144:4 transcript
11:17, 11:18, 106:11, 109:13, tom 85:18, 155:4
14:6, 15:14, 110:3, 110:11, 116:20, 119:22 transcription
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49:19, 49:22, 128:4, 129:8, 7:4, 45:17, transformation
72:4, 109:11, 131:6, 144:1, 78:12, 79:14, 28:17
117:4, 140:17 152:10, 153:16 93:2 transiting
three time's took 33:2
12:11, 14:10, 68:7 25:2, 45:7, transmission
15:8, 20:14, times 83:22, 96:7, 90:17
40:3, 57:10, 19:6, 36:22, 115:12 transparency
63:6, 71:22, 120:2, 134:15, tool
11:6, 13:1,
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99:5 tip-off 30:11, 91:2, 88:4, 88:13
threshold 13:22 133:14, 153:11 transpire
34:13 title tools 12:19
through 2:17, 2:20, 2:17, 2:21, treat
11:10, 12:4, 35:14, 87:2, 5:6, 5:15, 33:8
top 51:22
18:6, 21:15, 90:10, 127:11 trends
11:22, 12:21,
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tried 26:9, 99:13, 26:16, 29:3, undertake
111:17, 128:5, 117:4 29:9, 32:19, 77:16, 138:19
150:1 turned 34:9, 35:15, unencumbered
trip 73:8, 112:5 36:10, 53:14, 98:1
50:9, 124:19 twice 54:6, 55:16, unequivocally
troubling 43:11, 45:16 56:11, 66:13, 98:9
8:13 two 85:10, 86:16, unethical
true 7:17, 27:2, 86:19, 87:11, 40:7, 77:21
8:4, 8:6, 28:22, 30:2, 91:10, 99:5, unfair
43:10, 61:6, 36:10, 36:12, 104:19, 108:5, 61:5
63:12, 86:6, 56:21, 57:1, 119:9, 121:11, unfortunate
129:5, 144:8, 57:6, 60:15, 125:14, 126:6, 146:9
155:4 78:19, 123:5, 126:10, 132:2, unfortunately
truly 132:16 132:12, 132:18 9:5, 50:1,
77:9, 110:8 two-year underlying 146:20
trump 29:14 104:14 unimpeded
38:17, 76:20, type undermine 85:12
77:1, 120:3, 24:8, 45:14, 7:2 unintended
120:8, 144:4 103:21, 132:3 undermining 22:5, 22:10
trump's types 133:1 unintentional
77:2 12:18 understand 22:15
trust typical 3:21, 8:15, unique
8:7 39:11 17:1, 23:15, 125:13, 153:14
trusted typically 25:18, 41:11, united
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truth U 44:3, 45:3, 4:6, 9:12,
96:8, 96:9, 55:9, 56:20, 12:16, 13:12,
u 57:8, 57:19,
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110:5, 131:4 60:4, 60:8, 16:1, 17:6,
ultimate 62:11, 64:4,
try 132:14 17:11, 18:7,
27:16, 70:12, 64:14, 65:17, 19:3, 25:12,
ultimately 67:22, 72:10,
70:16, 70:20, 24:2, 24:9, 33:5, 34:18,
122:9, 122:14, 73:5, 93:11, 40:2, 41:3,
29:1, 29:22, 96:4, 97:11,
123:3 151:2 43:12, 46:19,
trying 101:1, 102:8, 47:22, 50:18,
unauthorized 110:13, 116:11,
12:18, 24:20, 4:5 60:5, 60:11,
26:20, 56:19, 118:16, 122:9, 61:5, 73:22,
unbiassed 134:1, 137:5,
71:15, 75:12, 6:15 77:13, 77:14,
75:21, 77:9, 137:9, 139:22, 82:15, 82:21,
unclassified 144:13, 144:17,
83:21, 102:21, 76:19, 146:19 86:13, 87:14,
110:17, 110:22, 147:22 93:6, 93:15,
uncomfortable understanding
122:7, 123:5, 8:17, 103:21 94:18, 95:5,
124:19, 139:22, 20:11, 53:12, 101:20, 102:3,
141:1, 144:9,
under 59:5, 59:10, 118:1, 118:5,
152:10 9:8, 11:13, 59:15, 76:10, 118:14, 118:18,
turn 14:2, 15:11, 84:14, 85:5, 118:19, 119:4,
15:17, 18:12, 112:21, 121:14 129:2, 139:1,
5:20, 13:15, 19:17, 21:5,
16:20, 23:1, understood 141:11, 141:17,
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144:9, 146:4, urge venue voice
150:1 4:18, 13:2 46:9 26:5, 26:7,
unknowingly urged verification 64:4, 71:17,
107:1 31:7 27:4 71:19, 84:9,
unknown urgently version 84:11, 128:16
13:11 13:13 42:10, 47:10, volumes
unless use 82:12 81:7, 109:20
38:1, 77:19 5:3, 8:5, versions voluntarily
unlimited 14:16, 14:20, 20:9 49:15
27:21 16:9, 20:11, versus votes
unmask 36:1, 53:19, 48:14, 53:22 10:6, 10:8
56:5, 56:10, 54:2, 56:14, vice W
57:12 57:20, 73:8, 5:20, 10:5, waived
unmasked 112:9, 119:5, 38:8, 99:14, 99:6, 100:13,
53:13, 88:1, 136:16, 148:16, 100:2, 100:10, 100:15, 100:22
136:22 153:7 113:15, 114:7 walk
unmasking users victims 114:3
53:11, 54:15, 53:10 12:6 want
55:3, 55:12, using view 15:8, 22:8,
56:2, 66:15, 18:9, 28:10, 69:19 26:18, 28:7,
66:22, 135:19, 29:14, 35:10, vii 35:19, 39:1,
136:16, 137:5 82:3, 87:22 2:17, 2:20 42:20, 45:18,
unpalatable utilized violate 48:21, 65:16,
27:8 153:11 66:1 65:21, 70:6,
unprecedented utmost violated 72:3, 74:7,
14:19 113:4 52:3 91:2, 97:11,
until V violating 107:19, 108:13,
24:4, 88:15, valerie 51:5, 123:22 108:14, 109:17,
104:20 126:20 violation 110:4, 110:18,
untrue valid 22:9, 31:20, 116:22, 131:19,
61:4 36:16, 36:17, 51:15, 52:4, 133:20, 133:21,
unusual 38:1 137:17 135:17, 145:10,
132:5 valuable violations 146:2, 147:2,
unwillingness 4:3, 30:10 16:14, 16:18, 149:1, 152:12,
79:17, 81:6, value 52:1, 52:14 152:21
81:9, 81:11, 11:10, 14:14, violence wanted
140:1, 143:3 28:11, 38:5, 12:9 33:15, 123:16,
update 89:14, 106:2, violent 151:20
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upheld valued virginia 49:2, 64:12,
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